This Past Weekend - #640 - Chris Hemsworth

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

Chris Hemsworth is an actor, producer and host known for his movies like “Thor” and “Extraction”, as well as his documentary show “Limitless”. His new movie “Crime 101” is in theaters now.  Chris joins Theo to talk about his childhood in Australia, connecting with his dad through his battle with Alzheimer’s, and what he’s learned about longevity after putting his own body to the test.  Chris Hemsworth: https://www.instagram.com/chrishemsworth/  Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ  Prize Picks:  Play Responsibly. Visit the RG section of the app or at prizepicks.com/help-center/responsible-gaming Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/theo  to sign up  CarShield: Go to http://carshield.com and use code THEO for 20% off. Liquid IV: Go to http://liquidiv.com and use code THEO for 20% off your first order. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [e-mail] Hit the Hotline: [phone] Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/  Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/  Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today's guest is an actor. He's a producer. He's a life explorer, if you will. He has a new film out that's called Crime 101. It's in theaters right now. You can go check it out. I had a good time getting to know this Australian gentleman. Today's guest is Mr. Chris Hemsworth.

Australians, I feel like they're more like risque with their lives, kind of. Yeah, there is a lack of, well, it's risk-averse due to either the lack of fear or the extra amount of stupidity at times. Yeah. It's a beautiful bravery, though, that they have, you know? Yeah. And even, like, when you travel, like, one thing I remember from just traveling a lot was just seeing Australians everywhere. Yeah. They pop up in anything, you know.

Like, you turn on a tap in another country. Like, you know, you're pouring a beer and a couple of Australians just come out on surfboards, kind of a boogie boards. As an Australian, that's always problematic. It's like you go to the country to get away from Australia and have a different cultural experience. And it's, oh, good-day, mate, shit. Yeah, I know you in the next minute.

You're all at the bar together doing what you did back home. Yeah. Yeah, I could totally see that, man. What does that nature come from in Australians to go? Is that like a... Because, I mean, it's a serious thing that I think everyone would say is that you go anywhere and there's Australians there. I think it's, you know, we're quite isolated where we are, you know, and for such a,

we're a young country as far as the, you know, the white settlement being there, you know, in the last sort of 200 and so years. And there's been always a sense of adventure either across the country itself or just the need to get out and explore because, again, it's not like, you know, if you're in Europe, you're, you know, jumping from France to Italy to London and you can have, you know, different cultural experiences within, you know, a two-hour train ride. For us, it's a big adventure, you know, pack a backpack, and you're on several flights and buses and trains and boats and whatever.

And so there is a, there is an adventurous spirit, but I think I, you know, all the guys I grew up with it was like finish high school and go backpacking around the world. So that's like a big thing where people are like, when they finish, so like when they finish high school, it's like, I'm going to get out of here, I'm going to go experience something. Yeah. Is it almost taboo if you don't in a way that if you don't have like a, No, I think it just comes from not having figured out what you want to do next, you know. And I, like, I had probably 50-50 with my group of friends who knew what they were doing.

They were going to, you know, a couple of them went into a trade and a couple of them went to university. And then a couple of them were like, I got no idea and maybe I'll find it in, you know, Peru or wherever I'm going to go backpacking and, and, you know, cross paths with folks that might inspire something else in me. But, yeah. Did you do something like that? I know you grew up, like, partially in the Outback and partially in Mexico. in Melbourne, right? Yeah. Grove in Melbourne, then lived in Northern Territory,

in an Aboriginal community about four hours southeast Catherine and like in the middle of nowhere. And that was my earliest, most vivid memories. But that... Were there in the bush, kind of? Yeah. Like, there was an Aboriginal community, a bunch of Aboriginal communities in the region we lived in.

And, I mean, all out through, all across Northern Territory, but where we were the proximity, there were sort of three or four communities that my dad worked, run like a cattle station, and then ran like a community center. And I went up there when I was five or six, and then came back to Melbourne. And then again,

when I was like seven, eight, nine, you know, so a couple of different times. But as far as the backpacking thing, I started working when I was 18. I ended up on a soap opera. And then that kind of took me, you know,

straight into what I'm doing now. But I kind of missed that. And I do look back, and I especially, You speaking to a lot of friends of mine that had this sort of crazy adventure prior also to being famous and prior to being recognized and you could just kind of get into a bunch of trouble and explore the world and, you know, make all those mistakes and hopefully learn something from them.

I feel like that period I do, there's a romanticism that I sort of, or nostalgia, I long for that I wish I had done that prior to sort of, you know, jumping into the working world. Yeah, it's one thing that's the downside of celebrity or popularity is that, yeah, there's things you can't kind of go do like in a like yeah like sometimes i'll romanticize as well like being like oh i'd like to go there go there but then i'm like it would be more uncomfortable now or it would be some type of way and uh did you do it off to school did you ever get a chance to travel and yeah yeah i had a girlfriend we went over there and that was like a seven country fight we went on oh man i fought in so many territories like oh man i thought i was like working with napoleon or something

over there. It was a lot of oh yeah, I should get a medal for that and so should she, I'm going to say that. What was the the drama? What was it coming from? Just, I think you don't know how you are when it's stressful out there when you're on trains and you're moving your bags all the time

and we book too many places to go see. Like we should have done four days in each spot and we tried to do like two days nine spots instead of do like four spots, five days. And so you just constantly on the go and you just I would be sneaking off and just drinking wine by myself and like

and then one night I took I reckon went off to the grocery by myself and somebody had like a hit LSD or something it was like probably a pretty you know newvo grocery I guess and uh because I mean it wasn't on the shelves but it was available in the parking lot you know which I consider an extension of the grocery um but yeah so then I came back there and I was like I thought it would like boost my spirits and then it was just a lot that was horrible and that time we were like in a camping sort of environment where there were outhouses and stuff and so we're in what country that was outside of venice yeah yeah so but it was great but it was just like that was just a lot you know too much in yeah yeah but yeah like going on that doing something like that now it would just feel like yeah it would

feel tougher and i'm sure yeah it's like you're chris hemsworth now so it's like there's you know that name is bigger than you and so it's like there's like you know that name is bigger than you and so it's like like it's interesting because I sort of at a point in my life where I don't know if you find this but every few years you're kind of you know what was the goal at one point quickly becomes the norm and then you're on to something else and then it's the sort of reassess of like what my purpose is around the why as to doing this thing and I'm chasing it for one reason and then it's for something else and and and I'm at that sort of point where I'd love to sort of step away and on one hand and, you know, do a little sort of soul searching

and dig a little deeper and sort of get a little more solitude and time yourself. But I think what would that look like? You know, it's like, yeah. The idea that's romantic that feels like... Yeah, it's not quite... But then the reality, it's hard to, like, say, well, would I be okay in that footing?

Yeah, like, I'm not going backpacking at 42 and not the... Not that I'm... You know, I've got three kids, and then that's not my kind of... Yeah, your backpack would be full. Yeah, it'd be full, full of all three of them. But it was...

Because, but more just the kind of, how do you, the way you see the world through when, when you are famous and recognized versus when you're not, you know, different things. People interact differently to, you know, for good and bad, but also the opportunities that sort of present themselves and the places you can kind of inhabit, um, become a little limited, you know, in that sense. But, you know, it's what it is. Yeah. The world's your oyster, but it's like, you know, it's, uh, you have, this, this opportunity.

bit that there's a restriction, there is such a restriction to your, um, how much you can really involve yourself in it. You know, it's all, it's, it becomes very observational. You know, we're going to press tour and you go to like, 10 different countries and it's like, God, that must be amazing. It's like, yeah, from the hotel room, you know, you're looking out. And then, you know, if you're, there's posters and so on around, around the streets of your face everywhere, then it's even more difficult. But it's, um, yeah, I, I, and not to say, I can't, you. You can't navigate your way around it at times. Right, and we're not complaining, but no, it's an interesting look, and that's, it's a good thought.

Yeah. You can only, it's, it becomes very observational. Yeah, which, which, look, hey, is, not a, not a negative either at times. It's sort of, um. It's what it is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, I think of, like, popularity and stuff like that. It's just interesting to be part of an experiment.

Like, okay, this is what it's like. Yeah. That's kind of how I, like, okay, there's good parts, there's bad parts. I don't think of it as me really as much as like, okay, I'm in this setting. Yeah. And this is the experience. And it's also, it's like the sort of polarity of things. Like every, every time you solve one problem, life has a way of presenting another challenge.

And not even a problem. It's like the, in order to be able to evolve and growth, you know, the adversity that's shifted your way. And I think that's the sort of the misconception, I suppose, is the assuming that this, that and the other will, I'll be void of those problems. It'll solve it all. And so what comes with huge benefit, you know, in, you know, being like irreconizable personality and so on in fame and all that is incredible. And it comes with its own things, as does in any industry. I remember talking to my mom about this years ago.

She was a high school teacher and I was like, ah, man, it's really tricky at work. You know, the cast and the producer and, you know, and then does the film work and this. And she said, yeah, I could kind of, you know, line those things up parallel to, my experience, you know, and the students might be my audience and the principals, the producer and so on. And it's like, that's life, that's the experience. And I think I've gotten much better at sort of not, you know, egoically thinking that mine, my experience is somehow separate, different or unique. It's like whatever industry, whatever demographic, wherever you're born, you kind of life has a way of throwing you the same sort of options, I guess, to appreciate. appreciate things in this truest form rather than sort of, you know, goal-seeking or accumulating or whatever.

Yeah, the game doesn't really change. It's like, you don't think of like, oh, these problems are different. It's just like, okay, now there's new things and that's just life. There's not really, like, yeah, I don't think that popularity or celebrity is an escape from no. And I think if you've sort of got. If you're realistic. Yeah, for sure.

And there's certainly, you know, there's a sort of, we've seen countless, at times again and again, the sort of, I guess the, not even the purity, but there's sort of the motivation behind pursuing something, if it is for the assumption of it solving all the problems, like, you know, get ready for a rude awakening. And it's like, oh shit, that didn't answer all the questions I had. Or it did momentarily. And then, you know, there's a new set the next morning. And so kind of surrendering to that has been, I think, I think that's the, I'd say, the gift in, I think experience any form of fame or sort of celebrity or whatever is that you get to kind of see behind the curtain and you get to have that realization that from afar

most people are always going to be living with the assumption that it might bring you. Way better behind the curtains. Yeah. And you get behind the curtain. You're on the other side again. You're back to the, back in line. Yeah. Yeah, you open the curtain.

You realize it's just a mirror. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly that. Exactly that. Yeah. Hey, Zach, I'm getting a little bit of reverb. I don't know if it's from the audio in the other room.

Have Chris pull his mic down just a hair. Oh, do you know, it? Perfect. It's up my nose down. Yeah, we want to see your face, dude, because this is, you know what I'm saying? That's what people want to see. You know what I'm saying? Dude, God.

Dang, dude. Yeah, your freaking looks maxing or whatever they call it. You know? It's got to be crazy just being so handsome sometimes, dude. I bet your mirror whenever it sees you, it's like, oh, yeah. I bet your mirror makes a positive sound, you know? Look, man, does, I mean, does anyone... Does this seem gay at all? Sorry if it does.

No, no, just the two of us in a room alone, it's fine. I feel like... Whatever, dude. No, I appreciate... Pour me your falsers! With some tits on it. You're a handsome fellow, too, mate. I don't know, dude.

I'm side of the road, handsome. I'm like, if people are going by it, like, 50 miles an hour, they're like, hey, I think that guy was okay looking. I'm sitting right next to you, and I'm in... I'm admiring what I see, mate. I'm hitchhiker, hey. Yeah, I'd pick you up if you were hitchhiking. Thanks, bro.

You would? Absolutely. Hell yeah. You can't even hitchhiking America anymore because, like, I think either the people picking up hitchhikers were, like, killing the hitchhikers or the hitchhikers were killing the people. But it became like... Really? That became like a real... You see Wolf Creek that a few years ago?

Yeah. I think that kind of ended hitchhiking in Australia for a good decade or two. Yeah, dude. Do motion pictures realize that they... Just one motion picture about something ruins the ability to get somewhere across a continent? That ruined hitchhiking and jaws ruined the whole ocean experience. Oh God, yeah.

I had this way on hitchhiking. I was in Vancouver once. I was shooting a movie there like 15 years ago and driving back from Whistler. And it was like 7, 8 o'clock at night and picked up a hitchhiker and thought, I, he was so good. And it started to get real sort of creepy

and starts kind of asking me like, what do you do? And where are you from? And what are you up to? and like getting a little too sort of personal and where you're staying and whatever. And so I immediately start kind of, you know, filling in sort of, yeah, I just do heaps of martial arts

and, you know, a lot of jihitsu and a big background of boxing and, you know, tell them, like, fight stories and seeing if that's going to sort of like sway the thing. And thankfully nothing happened, but it was that like, in a moment where you're sizing each other up going, well, this, I don't know anything about you

and you don't know anything about me and we could be... How does this go? Yeah. Like, how does this story in? Yeah. You start thinking, yeah, how does this story end? And what role am I going to play in? Yeah, is how you use it nice for gun or whatever.

Yeah, that is one thing that is nice, I would say, about picking up pitch hikers. I've picked up a fair share of the years. And it's really like, okay, let's see what God wants for me today. Yeah, sure. You know? Mark Ruffalo, he was at, we at a music festival in Australia. And just, you know, such a lovely human being and picked up a couple of hitchhikers. And then the next day I spoke to him and he goes, I got back at like 7 a.m.

And I was like, well, you left it like two? And he's like, yeah, but I picked up these young kids and they were like, you know, 18 year old, nine year old kids. And they were like, yeah, we're going in that direction. And I didn't have the heart to tell them I was going the other direction. So I ended up going this like four hour detour.

That's big hearted. That's it. That's a ruffalo. Yeah. I mean, that's also insane to be driving with children that far. That seems very. Eighteen year old, nine year, from a festival. It was like kids.

You know, they were sort of young folk. And, yeah. Schoolies, they call them, eh? Yeah. They are schoolies. And then the toolies are the older ones hanging around, which, which,

where they're not the, they're the older age kind of creeps that are hanging around. Oh, they call them toolies. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Because they should have a trade by that point. They should have a job and not be hanging around 18 year olds. Yeah, pick up a hammer. Yeah. Do something. Um, was there, was there kind of a point where you started to like,

I think it's interesting what you said about, you know, you get to certain moments and you kind of like, you're like, okay, what's going on now? It's kind of like you're in life. A lot of times it does feel like that. And recently I think it's been like that for me

where it's like I feel like you're underwater for a long time. And not in a bad way or anything. You're just, you're in the mix of life and you're doing things. And then you get to a point. You're like, okay, let me come up and see what's going on. And why am I? Why? Like, what goals did I set?

And where am I now? And then what do, where do I want to be next? Or what things are important to me now, you know? Or like how I, you know, what strokes do I want to use next in my life? life to get me to where I want to be at the next checkpoint, sort of. For sure. Yeah. And I feel, um, has it been like kind of a recent thing that's been going on? Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. This, um, this book called the Middle Passage, which is, you know, a gentler term for a midlife crisis. You know, like James Hollis. And it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's personification of self and this, you know, the gathering of our identity as children and due to our, you know, family bonds and ties, societal expectations, it could be religious, community, whatever. And you go through life attempting to present what you think the world wants from you. Some of it you may have some input in as far as what you want, but a lot of it is kind of an assembling to fit in. And then you get to this. a certain point, usually around your 30s, 40s, where that mask, that personification starts to wear thin

and doesn't hold up. And there's this inner protest. And Jung talks about the, from the soul of the psyche, rises up and says, there's a deeper truth here and a meaning, and what is it? And what is my contribution? And it usually comes around, like, when it, or people find themselves in a place of servitude to something outside of themselves, you know, and it's like you, you service yourself.

for so long and as a sort of survival and to, to, you know, maintain a position in the workforce and so on. And then all of a sudden it's like there's something deeper that I haven't answered. And I find, and your purpose even shifts around like the why for doing things, you know, like it might purely be, you know, saying this before, but the sort of purity around your motivations and, you know, what is your, what is your, what is your heart saying, what is your passion? That's all very well, but you've got to pay the bills.

And so to be sort of financially motivated for a period of your life and to take care of folks and family and so on, one thing. And then, okay, that's sort of now... That's in a safe place. That's in a safe place. And what's the next thing? And it's... I think if you're lucky enough to find that thing that speaks to you on a sort of

a deeper level, but also allows you to function and operate in the world and be sort of financially secure, then great. But I sort of find myself bouncing around with those questions a lot more than I have, and a lot more sort of indecision, and a lot more I had this sort of, not naive, but pretty strong sort of relentless, your confidence and pursuit when everything I was doing and I was going to, and it was when things were as far out of reach as possible. Dude, same. That's what I had.

All of a sudden you sort of arrive and you have these things that were going to bring you all of that fulfillment. And they do momentarily. And then you start to come up short. You're like, God, what is it? There's this other sort of burning desire or voice that requires attention. And that, you know, is around, I think, solitude and sort of a slight separation from the busyness of sort of life and work and all the trappings to answer some of those questions. And none of, you know, I haven't come to any sort of. a finite conclusion, but I find the more I enjoy the mystery of that question and the seeking

and the adventure and the path that that takes you on, then without an attachment to an outcome, I've found myself a lot happier. The better off you are. Yeah, and a lot more at peace with the ebb and flow and things, however rapid that pendulum may be swinging, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I want to know. That's the thing.

Sometimes I just want it, like, I want to know and I want to know. now and I want to know like sometimes for my own safety, it's like, yeah, because I don't want to be in limbo, you know, but yeah, I think having that space of like, yeah, what, of embracing the okay, I don't know right now. Yeah. And that's okay. And that is what is going on. Yeah. And let me enjoy this somehow. And living in the questions, not the answers, you know, there's sort of, I think that there's a danger in definitive, you know, there's a sort of almost a lack of humility in that too and this is where all of our sort of problems arise is my voice is correct and yours is incorrect and my versus yours but allowing there to be mystery questions curiosity and I think then there's an

abundance of opportunity to to learn that the new things start to come your way where as soon as I kind of go I've got it I've figured it out and I put it in a box or myself or other people or scenarios goes, the world just obliterates that immediately. And then you're left with that disappointment. And it's that expectation that I'm going to figure it out is, I think, is I think that the trapping, you know. And so, but there takes real courage and bravery in the surrendering to that and the willingness just to go, wow, this, this sort of, you know, universal kind of cosmic dance or this adventure we're on is supposed to be. and the sort of the most serious thing you can do is not take it serious, you know?

And I find myself, the polarity of things, coming back to this all the time, going, okay, but what does that mean? And then there's that brief sort of moment of stillness of I don't know, and it's just being okay with the, I don't know. Yeah, a lot of times, like, yeah, like when it comes to like, feeling just kind of in the world and in between space,

is an uncertain. It's almost like, you know, when you're a kid and you run and you want to get your foot on the base? Yeah. It's like, that's how I want to have my foot on a base. I want to have something that feels like it's certain or at least like as a kid waiting on,

like I just want to know. That's where I have to be. As opposed to being like, I'm going to stand here while the third basement and the short stop throw the ball back and forth. And I'm going to be the guy in the middle and I'm going to enjoy that. Because the truth is as a viewer,

and I'm just using like baseball analogy, The best part of the viewing is you start to smile when that guy is in between the short, second and third baseman, and they're throwing the ball and you're like, how is this going to go? Yeah, for sure. That's really where the most joy kind of is.

And that's the anticipation, the mystery, the sort of immersion in the adventure. And it's like, you know, this is where we pick up books and we want to flick to the end. We want to know what the end is. And same of life. And then you get to the end and you're like,

oh, geez, actually, it was all the tropey things you've heard before that, you know, the journey, not the destination, so on. And I think, that um and i wrestle with that all the time and then but i've gotten better with understanding that i might have a handle on it today and i won't tomorrow got him that's okay you know as opposed to kind of just needing that definitive like what is it about but i mean if we if we knew if there was you know the reason we um you know the sort of understanding of our own mortality is what allows us to appreciate

and love things, you know, without a sort of conclusion at some point and an end to it, there wouldn't be. We wouldn't even know it. We wouldn't appreciate anything. Right. What would life be then? Yeah, you don't know love without loss. And you don't know, can't.

And so, yet we spend so much time trying to either figure out the answer or avoid suffering, yet they're, you know, the joy and the love and the loss is one of the same thing. And without this, you know. Dang, dude. But it's kind of, I do riddles with myself around it. And I don't know about you, but I was a kid at nighttime that would kind of be sitting there at Ghana. What is what is the end of life look like? And if it's just blackness, if it's nothing, what is, can I still think in the nothing?

Or is it like nothing, nothing? Am I? Yeah, do I have any toys in the nothing? Am I like like, like, talk to someone still? Or is it like, is just black? Yeah. Is there a lunchable? You know, like, yeah, like, tell me, just tell me that the nothing has lunchebles, dude.

Yeah. Dude, that's crazy, bro. I'm realizing that you're like a smart guy, stuck in a good looking guy. you're not like a good looking guy that's just like you know sorry and that's a judgment dude you know sorry that was just like a judgment a lot of questions yeah that's a good way to be man i just yeah sometimes i want to be at the end of the sentence so i feel safe you know yeah i just want to like uh it gets scary i was just talking with um we just had Kevin james on and we were talking about like even like uh like especially like if i'm in a relationship or like

with women or even just sometimes with buddy and stuff, I will, if there's quiet, it's like down time, if it's silent, I'll just start being like, what else is going on? Like I'll have to fill it in. You know, it's like I won't, it's hard for me to leave the opportunity for something different to bloom.

But then I crave there to be like, like whimsy and unique experiences and stuff like that. So I think this conversation is neat just to even have a thought about that because I think even just talking about this will be a reminder of like next time I'm in some of those moments like let me just see what happened to you yeah you know yeah um do you ever read anything at ellen watts i see i hear a lot of his like audio and stuff my mom always sends it to me it's just beautiful thing about love and about

the idea of like falling in love the absurdity of falling and he said it's you know people say oh it's crazy to fall in love but how um but but the act of falling is a risk in itself and a surrender. You don't say rising to love. And so anything that's worth pursuing that that has, you know, that brings comfort and love and joy and whatever, there is an act of surrender that occurs at some point. And that, that again, in the sort of being okay with the unknown, that gives me sort of comfort. That's something. That's a good point to. Yeah, it's falling. It's like, you know, rise to love, you fall to love. Yeah. That's a beautiful quote. And if you fall pretty far, you'll end up in some weird spots. And you also fall to some pretty tragic places.

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of science. Then I would be thrown into, you know, like I say, so an episode on cold water exposure, let's show the benefits and you can swim in the Arctic, you know, for five minutes and, you know, try and survive. Or you can, you know, the benefits of muscle mass for the brain and we'll do a strength episode. So climb a 200 meter down wall. And so it was all these kind of you know, pretty extreme examples of representing the science we were talking about. The second season I had a bit more agency with, and it was great, and I was less of a guinea pig, and I had a bit more of a sort of educated opinion around each topic. But I wouldn't say I set out to do it for, I didn't know, it was just sort of came my way and

sound like a fun thing to do. Yeah, it seems really interesting. You go through those moments and just to almost have a buffet of things, you're like, I'm going to try these and see what it's like. What was one of your biggest takeaways from it, like as a practice for yourself? Yeah. If there were any, or was there enough of an experience there even to have a, like, or was it too much of a production to take away something?

Oh, no, there was a lot. A profound effect on me, especially the second season. And the first season without me realizing what was occurring. Like, there was all the obvious things about, you know, strength training and, you know, cognitive health and cold water, hot exposure, you know, fasting and so on. But the episode I did with my dad called a road trip to remember was the most profound one because he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's about four or five years ago. And he was genetically predisposed to it, right?

Yeah. He and your mom. Yeah. And that's how we found out because I did my blood work on that show and found out that I had two copies of the APOE4 gene, which is you get a copy from your mom, copy from your dad, either a two or three or four. And they both gave you a copy? They both gave me a copy, but they both gave me the worst.

copy, which was the four, which when I was a four for, which is like one in, I think, a thousand people have. But they, so I remember being with my dad and telling him about it and going, I don't know if this is a kind of a, you know, it's not a death sentence. It's not a predeterministic gene, but it's like a big warning sign. And he said, oh, don't worry, mate, we'll figure it out. Yeah, and how many times I'm going to have to tell him about it if he's supposed to be.

But he didn't, we didn't know he was. And then five years later, he got diagnosed. And I remember sitting there telling him. Don't worry, Dad, we'll figure it out. And so we went on this journey, this, it's called a road trip to remember. It's this thing called Reminiscence Therapy, where you go back into your past, stimulate memories and experiences to stimulate the hippocampus, which is the part of the brain that dementia is attacking.

Oh, dang, your dad's Joe Biden. Crazy, dude. But we're spending time with him. It was kind of a love letter to him. And it's not, you know, I was going to, hoping for a silver bullet to fix it, but it became more about connection. It became more about like the things I got to say to him and ask him about his concerns and fears around the disease. I probably wouldn't have asked him otherwise. And so it forced this kind of really

beautiful, intimate, um, the series of conversations and, um, and gave him some agency, I think, you know, because they begin to feel like, you know, they're a patient or they're a burden, you know, and all of a sudden this was about him. Um, and it did, I, watched a shift and the big one being social connection. The most important thing I took away from both of those seasons was support group, friendships and connection. And the people in blue zones, you know, where people live over 100 or the, you know, the most centurions in the population within regions around the world, the commonality is

having a wonderful sense of community and a wonderful support network. And then whether or not they drank alcohol or smoked or whatever, It was like, you know, the lack of, or the reduction in stress due to support networks and friendships. Wow. Well, yeah, they say that in recovery, too. I'm in a lot of recovery communities and they say that connection is the opposite of addiction. Yeah, right. Yeah, that connection.

It's like, yeah, I mean, I was in a meeting this morning, like a Zoom meeting, and it's like, yeah, I'm sitting there just listening to guys, share what's going on with them. That's real. And some of them say things that I've always wanted to say, and I didn't know I could but I couldn't make the words, and then they made the words from me. And so there's a part of me that, like, starts to feel like,

okay, that's not a crazy pieces of a thought that you've had. That's a real thing, and somebody else just put it together for you. But yeah, just being able to connect, they say it's the opposite of addiction. Bring that back up the blues ones. I've never heard of this.

It's where there's the most amount of people who have... Live to be 100? Live to be 100, yeah. And I think there's, like, Japan. Somewhere in Italy. Yeah, we got Okinawa, Japan, Yeah. Icaria, Greece, Sardinia, Italy,

Nicoya, and that's Costa Rica. Yeah. And Loma Linda. But hold on, there's none over by Australia. You guys didn't get one? Yeah, I don't know if they skipped us. Probably because of the dangerous species. Or the danger of the things are trying to kill us, yeah.

Or we're too busy backpacking to the places you pulled up. You guys are too busy over there, making people happy in those places, probably. Blue zones are regions of the world where people have unusually long and healthy lives. The many residents reaching age 90 to 100 while staying relatively free of major chronic disease. Researchers use Blue Zone to describe geographically limited areas

where rates of centenarians are far higher than expected and older adults remain active and independent. That's a huge thing, that they remain active and independent. Still working as well, like still having some form of purpose. Right. Purpose is huge. We talk about that all the time in here. that if people lose their purpose, then what do we have?

Do you ever read Man Search for Meaning, Victor Frankel? I have read that. That's, you know, the purposeful suffering, he calls it, but watching people in, you know, when he was in the prison camp in Alswitch, how, because he was a psychoanalyst or a therapist, and he went in, and people all under the same horrific circumstances, environment, and why some people's body would give up

and others wouldn't, and it was often when they found out that a loved one or family had been killed or died, they then, their spirit, their soul, their body gave up. And so he produced a logotherapy, which was about sort of giving a purpose behind whatever adversity you're facing and giving a sense of meaning to whatever the suffering is you're going through. But again, with the centurions, people who is not retiring, basically.

And that doesn't mean work yourself. There's difference between working yourself into the grave, but also, you know, the work could be, you have a garden to maintain. Right. You have a, you know, a baby- You have a trip to plan. You're helping with one of your children's activities.

Yeah, I think that a lot with my own mom as she gets older. It's like, you know, I want her to be free of things if she doesn't want to work. She likes to work. She, like, delivers for Amazon and stuff. She just loves it. She's like, you know, I'll call her

and she's like, oh, I'm just sitting in the lot of, or she'll deliver for like whole foods, different, just kind of chain places or something. something. She's like, I'm just sitting here in the lot, just waiting for a, for a route or whatever. And I just, I just pitch her in her van. She's just sitting there. She's 70-something. And she's just waiting to, you know, deliver a catalytic converter to some guy across town. Thank you for bringing this up. This is so fascinating. I want to list off some of these just so we can, that people know some of the things from these blue zones. Despite very different cultures,

blue zones share several recurring features. Natural movement, lots of walking, gardening, and manual chores built in a daily life, plant-based diet, high in vegetables, beans, and whole grains, strong social ties like we were talking about, multi-generational living, so probably having your family members around you. Terra Swart was in. She's a neuroscientist. She's an author. She's fascinating lady. And she was saying that when you feel the best, a lot of people that feel the best, when you have the best feeling in a home, is when there's a lot of people in the home. when there's just like multi-generations. Sure.

And those families often get the best sleep because there's just like a, there's a connectivity going on. Low chronic stress, just a few more of these Blue Zone common lifestyle patterns. A clear sense of purpose. And generally optimistic, engaged attitudes.

In light, regular alcohol or none. In some places people drink small amounts of wine in other places they avoid it entirely. Like in Sardini, Italy, they got a, you'll see a dang six-year-old out there drinking. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, that's the thing.

It's like a, like a, it's a restaurant. You know, he's like, oh, I'll have a chardonnay and some peppa pig, you know? It's like, you'll see a five-year-old on his tablet, ordering a damn cabernet. I know. It's like, it's kind of, it'll be bad. Yeah. Well, I think this is just proof that there's ways to do it, right? And that this is, like, this is, like, data that shows that there's ways to have a life that's the most comfortable if you can.

Because it's sort of, it's like the sort of, you know, stress being the biggest killer and, you know, the cause of chronic disease and so on. Stress, I find, like, the amount of stress involved in the idea of achieving perfection or doing things perfectly, you know? And I ask all the time about, like, you know, you must never eat sugar or never drink alcohol,

train seven days a week and so on. And it's like, right, periods where I've gone into the extreme realm, but they're not when I've been my happiest or my healthiest. Like, what do you do when a birthday cake comes? I just smash it. A other birthday cake. And what are you supposed to be that weirdo? Yeah, no.

What kind of life is that? It's just, you're not going to enjoy in all the sort of, you know, the... Yeah, what do you do when a freaking, like, yeah, because I'll do low sugar, you know? I'll do no sugar, really. But sometimes if a birthday cake comes, dude, what are you going to be? Some guy just over there just, you know, just carving up a cucumber? Who am I going to, you know what I'm saying? Some dude over there just sneaking a carrot out of his pocket?

Just a little pruditae in the corner. Just a little bit of icing. And that's not creepier to the kids at the people at the park. party is you're over there. You tell me, that guy's not stressed. He's, that's a huge amount of stress involved and just smuggling that carrot into the party and then having to explain it. Yeah.

Showing up at a kid's birthday party with a couple carrots in your pocket is way more stressful. And you're right, dude. How, there's a different stress of being the person who's sneakily eating, Croutette, as you called it. Yeah. As other people are enjoying a birthday cake. Yeah. That is a different type of, like.

Well, so how many people do you meet? who are, you know, it's often with your grandparents and I smoke cigarettes and drank alcohol and, you know, ate steak and eggs every day and they're living to, you know, 90, 100. But again, and again, I'm not saying any of that is the, you know, here's my top 10 tips to live longer. But I think that that was in a time when you did have more family members in the house, if you just said, like grandparents, cousins, everyone lived in this sort of smaller communities. And we're also spread out now.

And I don't know about you, but like the, in the last sort of five, 10 years, worked really hard to bring my family kind of closer and closer and we all live in the same area for that reason, because it's, I think a lot of us grew up, or definitely through history, we grew up with bigger households, with, you know, shared responsibility.

And now you have these little secular sort of, you know, houses where you don't even know your neighbors and grandparents live somewhere else. And it feels good when your family's around. I know, we were, or you know what? Yeah. There's layers to life then, I think, when they're around. Like, there's nothing better.

than when you're feeling horrible and sad about yourself to be able to look across the room and look at one of your parents' eyes and be like, this is your fault. Yeah. And you can't do that if you're at home by yourself. You can't blame anyone if you're sitting there looking in the mirror. And then it's like, your fault.

That doesn't work. Yeah. And I think maybe we're going to be getting back towards that. And we may not have a choice just because of like the cost of living and things like that. But my niece just moved him back in with my sister. Like, I don't know. And things like that, I think it's kind of nice.

Like there is something that's fun about, about not about feeling like a part of something even if you're like kind of a curmudgeon about it like oh I live back at home but good for you good for you absolutely plenty of time to sort of live on your own and good for you and it gets to see his stepdad's nuts hanging out of his freaking undershorts

once a year you know that once a year once a week even what a joy the fucking Lord's mistletoe that's the best brother with your father how is he doing today he's good he's good Um, it, look, compared to there are a couple other family members and, and, and close by folks that were going through or had the same diagnosis around the same time who were in a,

sort of catatonic vegetable state. He's, um, you know, you could sit here with us and talk to us and you might not even know, you spend enough time and it's the short term memories. And then it's the wrong kind of stress that then is really evident, you know, um, like stress for him training in the gym and so on and solving a crossword puzzle, great, but like not finding his keys and then, you know, losing things and then beating himself up about it. Oh, yeah. Then they'll watch his memory go really bad. Wow, so stress is such a big activator.

Oh, it's huge, yeah. He went down to, he rides motorbikes and used to race motorbikes and went down to put some gas in a petrol tank and then it wouldn't start. And so mom came, picked him up, went back home, he got home and he said, yeah, I needed the key. And she's like, no, no, no, I just didn't start. And, you know, he got the spare key, went back down. Didn't start again.

He's like, God, and he did that three times for the day. By the time, then I was at work, I got home. And I went and I said, look, I'll just come pick him up, pick the bike up. I put the bike on the back of the car. And he was like, all right, we're going to your place to get my car, right me? And I said, no, they were taking your bike home. And he's like, what bike? And he had like twice in this 10 minute drive, turn around and see the bike in the back of the truck.

And that was as strong as I've seen it. And as sort of confronting as it's been. but then the next day once that problem had been solved he could sort of there was a calm and it was better but he's doing good man I was his name?

Craig. Hey Craig. What's up Craig? Yeah. Cheers from all the US mate. Yeah, he's a legend. Good day sir. And what was his,

what's his trade been in his life? He was a cattle man. Well, no, he worked for he worked in child protection for most of his career. And then when we went to Northern Territory and he mustered cattle, he was, that was just for a window. Trying something different.

Trying something different. We had family up there who were doing it. And in the documentary, we end up back in the Aboriginal community we lived in. And the couple of the guys, they called him this. He's a Chuck Norris looking motherfucker because he had this long ponytail and he would like, you know, and pull cattle down by the tail and tie him up. I love a male Rapunzel. Male Rapunzel.

There's nothing. I love more, brother. Oh, that's beautiful, dude. And child protection, what exactly is that? Yeah, he would, children who would, you know, neglect, family violence, abuse, go into the home and basically have to, you know, assess the situation, present evidence to a court,

talk to the police department, and work out, you know, what should happen and is this child in a safe position? Oh, wow. And huge responsibility. and and, you know, I watched the toll that took on him over the years when he just couldn't, there were certain things he, he wasn't able to fix, you know,

and it was, and you do one, you solve one thing and feel like you were, you know, had momentum and then the next day there's, you know, a big pile of other cases on the desk. So, but very much in service to others and has always been fiercely protective of kids has this sort of angelic sort of quality to his integrity.

He's ready and willing. Look, I bet we could get him 30% of the vote right now in America to be our next president. If we have somebody that's protective of children here, we'll take it, man. And thank you for your service, Craig. I think that stuff like that is so important,

you know, thinking about the well-being of children. I think there's nothing that's more, it's like the purest thing that exists in the world. Absolutely. So thank you for your service. We appreciate that. They just had a ban for social media, was it, or cell phones in Australia? Yeah, I think we're the first country in the world that has had kids from 16 and under.

Yeah, Australia has banned social media for kids under 16. How does it work? Under 16s in Australia have been banned from using major social media services, including TikTok, X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, and threads sucks. They cannot set up new accounts and their existing profiles were deactivated. Wow. I wonder if they all had like a D day when they were all like gathered around a fire or something.

Are they all now like reentering different ages or is, I mean I don't know to what, I mean I think it's a fantastic thing. Yeah, the idea of it seems perfect. Yeah, and it's execution. I hope there's,

you know, it, there's a positive sort of navigation through it because I'm sure, you know, my kids, I change a passcode in the phone or whatever and they figure out shit and,

you know, seconds, they're like little, little genius hackers with all of it. But we try and keep them off it as much as possible. but um yeah but also your passcode is often like handsome guy 4,000 that's it so it's the obvious one you know so exceptionally gorge male seven aren't I lucky you're special too um yeah i mean i hopefully this takes off around the world i don't know i'm going to see what this says here australia's government said

the ban would reduce the negative impact of social media's design features that encourage young people to spend more time on screens while also serving up content that can harm their health and well-being i don't know any human that would disagree with that. A study commissioned in 2025 found that 96% of children ages 10 to 15 use social media and that 7 out of 10 of them had been exposed to harmful content.

This include misogynistic and violent material as well as content permitting eating disorders and suicide. Yeah, I'm curious. Can you look up on, and this is perplexity that we use to look things up?

Large studies of more than 100,000 young adults find that each year of smart phone ownership before age 13 is associated with higher rates of depression like symptoms, suicidal thoughts, aggression, and detachment. Detachment for sure. I mean, in a field detached when you're already like in a place where you're growing and it's like your footing is uncertain.

Girls show particularly big drops in emotional resilience and self-esteem. Cyberbullying and harassment. Phones and apps mean bullying can follow kids home, which raises risks of depression, anxiety, and self-harm. sleep disruption big one yeah sleep disruption and body image and comparison man well cheers to you guys for like leading the charger i think spain just followed suit is that right oh really to where my wife's from oh is it yeah you got a spanish lady huh yep yep yep fiery farry's your wife's name firey no i said fiery fiery energy oh yeah Elsa like the movie

yeah yeah As of February 26th, Spain has announced to ban social media access for children under 16. I don't know if we would ever do it here because I think we look at our children more as okay to be victims of marketing and capitalism, whereas in other countries, they maybe they don't, you know? I'm glad that Australia is doing this. Do you feel like it would take some getting used to? There will be this group that has to be the one that loses it. And then there will have to be the younger siblings of them that are like, oh, I wish we had it. But if you could get it to go for like a generation,

I think it would really play into something beautiful. 100%. It's even like, you know, we were probably, I don't know, like, maybe when the phone first came on, like, how old are you? I'm 45. 45. So, I'm going to have died soon. We all are.

We were kind of the guinea pigs for it in a way, you know? Like, I remember getting a phone and it wasn't an iPhone. Yeah, just and all of it. And then you look at, and so you, but we had a, enough awareness of what came before, like coming up now and only knowing that that exists. And every time I try and tell my kids, like, that's science around it, they're like, oh, shut up, you know, and there's, there's just no, there's no comparison for them, you know, whereas and that's the danger.

We knew the comparison. We knew the comparison. We knew the possibilities. And we're still doing it. And we're still end up depressed and, you know, but. Oh, dude, I noticed I've been off a TikTok for a while. Yeah. And I'm feeling better, man.

Yeah. And the algorithm. Oh, yeah. There should be a, I've always thought there should be able to be, like, legal recourse against an algorithm because you're creating a system, like a vitriol for me to then go, and now it's just my responsibility. Yeah. I'm nine minutes on. I hate a group, and now I'm just back out into the world. Also, what, that algorithm is created off a question.

It's not created off an opinion. It's, I might have curiosity or ask the question about this particular thing. And it goes, oh, that's it. and now you're down that lane. And that's the danger is it's making up your conclusion. You know, is it giving you the definitive sort of, this is how you now should vote, or this is the way you should be opinionated,

or this is who you should like or dislike, based upon human curiosity, you know? Like, you might not be, you know, one political party supporter, but you're having a look at it next minute, that's all you're seeing. Yeah, you're fully on board. It takes you from curious to conviction.

It takes you there. You're right. In the beginning, I was like, oh, I'm curious about this. But then suddenly, four, your next seven videos are about it, and you're like, now I have some sort of a conviction. Yeah, complete biased opinion about it. And they can even serve, it's almost like, like here's the next stair step, here's the next stair step.

Like they can do, you know. You're right, though. There should be, like, at bare minimum, they're not allowed to create an algorithm that encourages one thing. It should be you have to continue to put that search in the search engine as opposed to it going, this is all we're feeding you now. Because it's all perspective. It's like your version of, you know, one thing.

or my version of that is all around what I've been exposed to. There's no kind of right and wrong in it. It's like whatever education that I've been fed by this fucking machine in my hand, you know? And on X, they have people killing each other something? That's insane. No, my, I mean my kids were talking about certain, you know, horrific events and so on. I was like, where the hell did you see that?

And it's, there's nothing to stop it, you know. Oh, dude, well, the craziest part is the other night I wake up, I'm, for some reason, I'm like, you know, I'm obviously lonesome or whatever, but so I'm like on X or whatever. It's like 3.15 in the morning. I don't even know why I'm on there. I see two people get shot outside of a Wendy's, right? And they don't even show you if people, if EMTs come.

They don't show you that part. It's just two people shot outside of a Wendy's, right? And then the next thing is an advertisement for Wendy's. That's it. And I'm like, now I'm hungry. I don't even care about the, it's like, I forgot. Yeah. Oh, it's inside.

And I'm like, well, do I need two bags of platelets and an EMT or a baconator? Yeah, the complete sort of. desensitization to something, and then the immediately sort of baiting hooked into the product being sold, it's like... And that you get taken from something that's so serious into something that's so trivial, that it's like, it starts to, like, deteriorate the part of you that takes something very serious, serious, you know? Yeah, for sure.

And for these kids, now you've got to walk over there and look this girl in the eyes and see that she might not be interested in you, which is the genre that we grew up in, brother. Yeah. If you want to call somebody fat, you got to walk across town, you got to say it to them, and then you got to see their big fat fist come and hit you right in your smug face.

No, and there's no accountability. That's the other thing. It's like the amount of like smart aleck, sarcastic sort of, you know, sentiment and tone I hear from sort of my kids and their mates based upon the lack of consequence. Like, he said that shit in high school, and you felt it immediately. He went, well, a lesson to note to yourself.

Don't say that again. Whereas now you're like plugging all sorts of things on your comment boards or you're commenting on what other people have done with, you know, very little, if any consequence or any repercussion. Let me see what this says. Instagram rolls out algorithm control option to all English speaking users. Oh, wow. After launching it in early testing with a limited number of users in October last year,

Instagram has today announced that all English speaking users globally will now be able to access its your algorithm, manual control option, giving you another way to define your reels experience. I thought it already did that, though, because I remember meeting some who said, this is like eight years ago, said, no, no, no, like, you know what you've, you know, you've said, you know, you've talked about, you know, puppy dogs for a while, and then all of a sudden puppy dogs all over you're real.

Like, and they said, no, no, no, they're listening to individual words. And I was like, the individual words, bullshit, it's fucking the entire sentence. But, and now there seems to be a sort of, oh, that's an option, but I'm pretty sure it's been planted from day one. I'm sure this has always been an option, and it's never been effective.

Yeah. As you can see in this overview, you can access the your algorithm controls by tapping on the top. What does it do, though? So I've been using it and I changed my feed completely. I put on like editing tutorials, film lighting, and like my feed is like all educational now.

It's helped a lot. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. And I think more people should know about it. Because yeah, I think sometimes my fear is that I'm trapped in this algorithm of times that maybe weren't my best self or like times where I just or just what they fed you. Yeah, for sure. You know, and you get fed brassiers and this and. that. And it's all targets big response, you know, big, it triggers big emotions. It's all outrage

mostly. Right. It's like dopamine or, oh, fucking what's going to piss you off the most. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Nick, you feel like it has been effective? A hundred percent. And then, but if I do see something, I'm like, I don't want that. Then you just do see like the three dots and see less of. And it's really transformed it. I feel like I'm getting educated when I go on a lot. Yeah, that's a place I want to be in. It's like, oh, just for some, you know, know, get me there. But I guess I have to take some action too, you know? But that's good to know that that's effective.

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I saw Crime 101. Oh, cool. Yeah, dude. It's a heist movie, right? Safe to say? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a character-driven crime thriller, somewhat of a sort of homage to the 70s, 80s, 90s, even early 2000s like heist films that I feel like we used to see a lot more of, and we just don't tend to make any as much so much now. Where there's insane action and car chases and intensity, but that's matched by the intensity, or there's a momentum and a continuity with the emotional, intimate scenes as well. And it was one of the best things. I'd read in years.

It certainly wasn't the types of scripts I was being sent, and I had an interest in doing something very different, and this came along, and it was up there with my top sort of two, three films. That you've done? Yeah, they've been a part of, yeah. Was it, like, the personal challenge? I mean, your character is kind of this,

he's a, kind of a, he's a bad guy that's questioning what's going on with himself? For sure, yeah. Like, so Mark Ruffalo plays the detective. I play a jewelry thief. Hallie Berry is an insurance broker. And basically all that's sort of a crossroads in their life around, you know, the Marx characters facing police corruption.

And if he speaks up, he'll be sent one way. And if he follows suit, he'll get a promotion. And Hallie Berry is facing, you know, ageism and feels like she's being passed over. And my guy is in that same sort of that moral ambiguity and that sort of gray space of, you know, justifying his criminality. We show the audience and present the, you know, that he has come from meagameen's difficult times, in and out of foster homes. And again, not to excuse any of what he does, but it raises, I think, the question of how

one got to that point. But he does live by very strict code. His, there's sort of non-violent, you know, violence throughout his, his robberies. But he's at a point where he's seeking personal freedom and an escape from this world and is presented with this one final sort of heist, which could be the exit. And each character is sort of on a collision course for one another and all sort of interweave to this pretty, pretty, I found pretty sort of fascinating sort of crescendo and finale. But he's a good guy, you know, he's wrestling with, I think, not having, you know,

in my sort of backstory with it, not having strong paternal. figures or parental figures that they were of, you know, held integrity or maturity for him to look to and to be, I guess, modeled behavior by. So, you know, like a lot of guys that we were speaking to and researched guys in the criminal world came from broken homes and you seek connection and brotherhood and safety and kind of all the wrong places. And it's why a lot of guys end up in gangs. There's sort of, you know, there's family there that they had before. Yeah. And then it's also they're pushing back. against a system that in their eyes gave them nothing.

So it's like, well, screw you. I'm going to, you know, what did the insurance companies or the banks or the, you know, the high-end jewelry fashion entities ever give me? And so, again, none of this is my justification for the life of crime. But I think that the script does a great job at presenting deeper, further layers and a deeper sort of presentation about just people, you know, and the human experience. I agree with that. I think that we have one thing I notice about it is there's a bit more of the story element.

There's a bit more of like you have the action. You have this sort of um, you know, uh, you have this like a little bit of like, I don't if it's like fast and the furious meet sort of, um, like jewel thievery, you know, sort of like you have this high energy. But you have us, you have some sincere storylines about what's going on with these people. And, uh, and just how people get into positions maybe that they didn't even want to be in. But there they are. and how do we still view them as people

and then how do they then operate to the best of their ability even and not even the best circumstance? Absolutely, yeah. Does that make any sense or not? No, it did, for sure. Yeah, it should have been the tag. That's the most sense I've made in a while.

I've been in the press two weeks and I wish I had that quote. It's been a rough, far more succinct than the... The past year I haven't been able to get something out. It's been tough, man. No, it's true. And it does it sort of, I think when it right, like it doesn't spoon feed or jam down the audience's throat.

the answers and conclusions for things. It offers up ideas. And again, in the moral ambiguity space of right and wrong, it's like not, it's nothing's just black and white. And we love to sort of categorize things. It's easiest for us to understand. But when you kind of get an insight into someone's life, into their backstory, you go, I should, if I was faced with that or I'd come from that, would I make this decision? And if I had an opportunity that was, you know, lawfully wrong or immoral on one hand, well, could I justify it through this lens and if it was going to pull me into personal freedom and escape this shitty position? I mean, would I do it? And then so you're asking those questions as you're along for the ride, hopefully. And I find that the kind of the

beauty of filmmaking and storytelling is when you're not, when you're, when you're given as a choose your own adventure, a sort of internal process that can occur with what your assumptions are, but also not being so quick to judge, you know. Yeah, because there's moments you're like, oh, this guy's scared, like your character, where he's like, oh, he's kind of, he's scary, you know, he's dangerous, he doesn't care if people die, but then you see, well, he has kind of a code of his own

and how he operates within this space. You know, what he thinks of love, what he thinks is possible for him. Yeah, it just had a deeper layer than just like sort of a smash him grab him, kind of like, heist me. Yeah, that was the goal. You know, it had a little bit of a Jamesville.

Bond asking the sense of like, you know, some of this chase scenes and stuff like that reminded me of some of that energy. Yeah, for sure. And just some of the music that went with it, there were certain moments where it gave me some of that energy kind of. You see heat or the Michael Man and collateral. It was kind of like those types of films were a big sort of comp where the action that was a real realism and a grit and authenticity to it. But you had complex, emotional sort of characters along the way as well. So, yeah, it's a fun one. You ever steal anything good when you were young?

You guys ever... Steal anything? Yeah. You ever blow dart a wallaby and sneak over there and run it out of somebody's yard? Like a wallaby? Did he say? Just put him down? You think one dart would take a wallaby down or not?

It depends what kind of trank is in that dart. You mean like a tranquilizing dart or... Something, yeah. A dart port dart. Oh, Trank. A fucking Trank, yeah. Yeah, they go down. The wallabies are tiny.

The big kangaroos, I don't know. Oh, dude. not some of the ones I've seen over there. Whatever, we went to that place outside of Melbourne. That was a big kangaroo park? Yeah. Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was outside of, um.

No, there's a lot. There's, um... Bro, we saw the one that's jacked. We saw the Nate Diaz when... You ever see that video the guy punching on with the kangaroo? No, no. Do you didn't see that? Uh, uh, the wallaby comes up to get his dog, and he literally shapes up, throws a left and a right.

and pop, bang. It's because it's trying... The Wallaby's trying to attack his dog where it's got his dog in a headlock or something. But... Yeah, dude, we saw the one... We were afraid to move, dude.

I was waiting for, like, Keith Peterson and step in. I was waiting for a UFC referee to come in and say, to your neutral corners, you know? I was waiting for Mark Goddard. I mean, I don't know what. This guy's...

Look at this. Who's that? Luke Brian? He's got the dog in a headlock. Watch this is ready. Who? Go on ready? Oh, jab.

The kangaroo's like, what the fuck? Is that Luke Brian? Oh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful, dude. That dog should have been able to get free, though. That's a big dog. Oh, they're pretty strong these things. And they got little talons, big old claws on them.

Oh, dude, we saw the ones that were very scary. But I had such a great time, man, in your country. How long are you there for? we were there for probably two weeks dude one of my favorite times was like we got some just some e-bikes and we went during the day we would go up and down the gold coast

on the, you could bike on the sand like basically in the water if you want and there would be nobody out there all day and we would just dude it was like it almost felt like we're in another planet man yeah and then I got to meet Chris Chris Lily came out oh yeah when I was in a box

Do you ever see his shows back in the day? Oh yeah fucking hilarious stop looking at me this My dick, Mom. That's my dick, dad. Man, he, he did that. That's my dick.

Yeah. It's touching my dick. Stop touching my dick. Fuck you, dad. What'd you say? I said, fuck you. Yeah, it's a picture of my dick. It would always be his dick all the time.

That's his name, Jonah. Bro, and what a legend, dude. To get to meet him, it literally felt like you were meeting something, like a rare bird that showed up on a branch to talk with you for a little bit. I remember crossing paths with him when I, when I, when I, when I, first started acting. You passed with him? As in, like, he was a mate of mine and crossing paths.

And just being, he was just a, what he kind of came up with was like, I want to say, kind of back when the office was first coming out, but that mockumentary style. So good. He played like seven or eight different characters and, yeah, talented dude. Oh, dude, Mr. G, dude, the musical? Yeah, the musical, yeah. A lot of it, like, kind of got canceled a bit now. Bad habit for drugs, dude.

So, my God. Dude, the fact that we can say it... Welcome to Mr. G's room, G's room. Welcome to Mr. G's room. The fact we can say... Come on, sit on the floor. And still laugh right now is... Oh, my.

That is good stuff. Yeah. That was like pre kind of... Like, I think a lot of it was, is, you know... It isn't acceptable now. He wouldn't be able to make any of it now, but like... Oh. But then that was before anything and it was...

I'd make it with him in a heartbeat, dude. Give him a call. I'm sure he's looking at the mic. People now would make it easy because you could put it out yourselves. It's like you could do it yourself and put it out. I think he's just in the sort of cancel space, the culture he kind of got... I think he felt that more than it was very real. Oh, really?

Oh, I think so. I think the reality of people, like, I think, like, even, like, people, like, I think he was, like, I don't know if he was, if people thought he was making fun of Aboriginal culture or Tongan culture or what it was. Polynesian, yeah. Those people... I mean, I, it depends who's who you spoke to. Yeah, that's a good point. I had Polynesian buddies who, like, loved him and then other guys that were like, no, it's not cool, bro. Oh, I see.

And, um, but I, yeah. What's not cool? Me dick, you know? But yeah, I feel you, dude. It was crazy, bro. I love the way you've seen all that. Dude, when he would do the break dancing, bro? Oh, my God.

And what was Jermaine? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God, he's a year seven. This shit was so good, dude. Oh, fuck. Oh, God bless him, brother. Go, go watch that. If you never seen Summer High Thai.

Sam a hard tie. You can't find it anywhere except for on YouTube. Yeah. I think on some, like, a distant channel, but it's out there. Are there things where you want to, like, when you're relating with your dad, are the things you want to make sure that he knows now? Like, is the responsibility that you feel as a child that it's like, okay, how do I make sure he's okay? Yeah.

Like, does that make any sense? Yeah, and I think from having kids as well. And even for other people that are experiencing this, like, since you've had experience, experience with it. Like if you could just maybe share a little bit of that. So when I, um, had the premiere and in, uh, back in Australia, I had someone come up to me afterwards. For crime one and one. No, sorry, for the documentary with my dad. Okay. For limit. A road, road trip to remember. Say it again for a road trip to remember. Got it. And he, um, there's someone come up to me and, and he said, I was diagnosed around the same time your dad was and I wish my kids could see this because

no one asks me how I am or what I'm, what I'm afraid of or what, what I'm experiencing. people are nervous. They don't know how to discuss it. So they dance around it and pretend it's not happening. And you go, so you suffer in silence. And the biggest thing I think that has helped that my dad has responded to, and I'm thankful for having gotten to this place,

is asking him how he's feeling about it, you know? Because it's, you know, you talk to your parents about this stuff, and then your parents pass away, and then who do you talk to? And it hit me that, God, he doesn't have his dad to go and have these hard conversations or these vulnerable moments with or his mom anymore. And so trying to give him that, give him that space, but also I know there's a, I remember 15 years ago, that transition of when him realizing he wasn't the authority and we knew, as we as young men now working and knew more about things and weren't seeking his advice as much.

I remember seeing that on his face and that, and it not registering enough for me to do anything about it, but kind of being aware that like the changing of the guard was occurring. And so I go to him now and I'll ask him things that I may know the answer to, you know, or just so he feels like there is still agency and he has autonomy and, and they want to see, thank you, they want to feel like they still matter on this, the purpose. It's a good point. You don't think about that, that when that change in the guard happens, that there's a value loss or potential, like, hypothesized value loss for the parent. Oh, for sure.

And I, even my kids, my daughter's 13, my boys are 11. And I'm already feeling that like, oh, I'm not cool and I'm not necessarily who they look to. And it's like, you know, and they're young. Yeah, they're watching Andrew Tate or whatever. Yeah, they're watching all sorts of bullshit and have other role models. But it's like, I think, you know, and then I'm 42, you know, but I can't imagine in the 60s, 70s when that that gap becomes, you know, far greater. And especially facing, you know, having dementia and realizing your memories are being stripped away. and that vulnerability that just making sure

they still feel like that they are of purpose and that they have an opinion and the opinion matters. And so, yeah, if anyone's going through it, that would be my advice is check in with them, ask him how they're feeling, ask them what they're afraid of. Because no one asked. That's such a great question. What are you afraid of?

Yeah. Instead, I could just, yeah, it's easy to say, hey, how are you? Yeah. But that's not the same thing. And that won't bring out the answer. Like I asked him on the show and he went, I just don't want to be a burden.

And it was like, oh, fuck. And I had no idea that he felt that, you know, I thought it was going to be about the kind of, you know, losing, you know, control of this and that and the other. But it was like he was more concerned with what it was going to do to the, you know, the group. Yeah, that's what my mom says sometimes. I don't want to be any burden.

Yeah. And it makes me think like, oh, yeah, like, I don't know. And in some ways, I've always wanted my mom to be like a burden. Like, I don't know. Like the inverse of a burden. burden, kind of whatever that is, like a positive burden? Or just like, I don't know, it's a connection. Yeah. But for that to say, yeah, I don't want to be a burden. Do you find that it gives you

purpose though, you know, like it's like having this time with him as kind of confronting as it's been has also given me a greatest sense of like what matters. And also it's like the roles to transfer. And at a certain point, as an adult, you've got to realize, oh, I now need to take care of them. Right. And, you know, and especially men, I don't know, but in Australia, there's a real, like, you know, avoidance around that sort of vulnerability or the sort of admittance to, I may be afraid of something or I need a hand. And so offering that up rather than having to get them to come to you and say, please check in with me. That's a huge thing. Yeah, what are you afraid of? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's really what I want to know, probably. Yeah. Yeah, the other day, I was

think, like I, I, I messaged my mom and I was like, hey, mom, is there anything that you need? Is there any, like, trip that you've always wanted to take? Is there anything? Because, you know, now I have some finances where I could help do something, you know, or if she wants to do something, you know, and, uh, or is there anything that, you know, is there anything that you want, you know? And she's like, nothing that I can think of, you know, whereas you always think that it's like, oh, I'm going to get these, like, I'll have the ability to do this thing and that'll make it perfect. But it's like, that's not real. I always thought I would buy my mom things and jewelry and she was like, it's lovely, but like, I want your time. You know, I mean, just yesterday, she was like, can I schedule in one of your meetings to just get 15 minutes just with you? And I was like, oh. And she goes, well, I'm sort of half joking, but serious. And you forget, like, yes, when you get busy, like, it's like, yeah, I'll get to that. I'll get to that.

And all these other things were towards. Well, at least you can put her off on one of your other good-looking brothers. Yes, yes. Like, that's got to be nice. Like, look, talk to the other good-looking brother. You know, dude, I think you didn't even have wallpaper It was just mirrors everywhere Just mirrors were so excited

Like, he's coming, he's coming Sorry, dude, this is seeming a little big Hey, dude Whatever, bro Pull me a Fosters! You ever drink, Fosters? I think I have, yeah, it's the big can I like drink, this is what I would do though, I would drink

it with two hands, I think If I had a big old, like, extra large, absurd can for a while, but... Oh, it reminded me of... Of Sean and Marley, you ever seen Sean and Marley. No. Oh, bro, bring them up. They're Aussies, man. Sean and Molly? They're the best, yeah. Get down with Sean and Molly. Put me on there. Show me on. You never seen these guys, dude? These guys are the best. Chris, if you, bro,

next time you're home, this is one of the best times I ever had in my whole life. Do you do this in Australia or here? Yeah, in Australia. In Australia. How you going? Thank you. All right. Can hug it? Yeah. Dude, they're chefs. I've never seen these guys. Thank you, boys.

Thank you for welcoming me here. Yes. I'm very happy to be here. I would say, this is very fun. He'd come to us and stay and Sean. From USA. USA. You've been to, have you been to America?

I come in, though. Yeah. And look, it's becoming unmemorable. I'll tell you that. Get to the part with the. beer though. We made beer chicken, right? So these guys do recipes. Bro, if you ever, like, I'm not saying, but this would be

an easy thing for you to go and do a a little shower with a little cooking. And bro, they live at, they live they don't live together. One of them has Down syndrome. One of them, I don't think one of them does, but one of them's just Korean or whatever. Yeah, they're just mates, but they've been French for a long time. We made

beer chicken, right? How was it? Oh, dude. Yeah, it was good. But, Marley took the beer right out the hot beer and just drank it straight out of the oven. Frican legend, brother. Oh, dude. And, uh,

scalding whole temperature. Look at that. That can is probably 200 degrees, brother. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Your receptus is off, baby. You got to come up a little bit. Bro, he's right that bitch right out of the thing, bro. But dude, their families are so sweet that, and they invited us over to their home.

And they made, like, up there, there's a piece of art up above, like, on the mantle up there, on the right. Yeah. Right there, they made like a rat for like the rat king. Like they did like special things to make it just for me. But their families are there, dude, and it's like the best. And they have the best time. But bro, just to even, you would, it was honestly,

I think it was the best part of my trip besides. Amazing. Getting to perform the shows. Yeah. But that's right outside of Sydney, I believe. Yeah. We've got a rabbit eyes top on, which is Russell Crow's rugby team, which is a Sydney.

Oh, yeah? Sydney team, yeah. that green and Oh, that must be their heroes then because they'll go to a lot of the games and stuff like that but Sean and Marley are the best, bro. They all legend, dude. And I think they still do the show all the time

so that'd be pretty cool to go see it. Whenever you get into spaces where you're like, you know, we're talking earlier about like kind of regrouping and getting a new look at things and like, you know, having some moments of self-evaluation

and reflection and seeing it like my old dreams are still my current dreams and where have they got me and what do I do? do now and enjoying kind of the freedom of not knowing or not being sure exactly where I'm at in my journey. What are there practices that you go to to help you gain a little bit more clarity there? Like could it be something like just spending time with certain people or meditation?

Like are there some practices that you use? Yeah. For me, I'm not great at like traditional seated meditation. I could benefit from it if I was to sort of force myself to do it. but I prefer physical movement, like training. Surfing for me is an obvious one. Oh, yeah? I've done that since I was 10 years old.

And if I spent too long out of the ocean, my whole sort of, you know, being starts to suffer in one way or the other. Not just vitamin D, but the sort of, I don't know, that's sort of magnetic pool the ocean has to me, but that's my true happy place. So, yeah, I spend a lot of... Dang, dude. A lot of time surfing.

You're comfortable enough on a surfboard to make a gang sign, dude? That is. That's actually in a wave pool. That's in Abu Dhabi. Oh, that's not even real. Yeah. Have you been to pipe?

Yeah. Dude, I just went like two weeks ago. I went 15 years ago once. It's cool, huh? Bro, so cool. Awesome. I didn't know they had the Lexus pipeline competition was going on.

Oh, yeah, right, of course. And so I went. Each day when I went, it had been canceled for the day because the conditions weren't perfect. But that's one thing that's so amazing about it it makes it so unique about these surf competitions is that it can only happen if the water is right.

Yeah. So it was like, it was almost this little mecca that we'd make each day because it was about an hour from where I was staying, which was silly, I should have just stayed up in the North Shore. But I get there and we'd, and they're like, yeah, it's canceled for the day.

But it was just like, even seeing that and seeing like, oh, this is a real thing. Like so many people come out and like, and all the surfers stay are in this place and like it gave me a whole different appreciation for it. Yeah, especially pipe. I mean, that event is they wait for it to be big and intense and beautiful. And if it's not going to hit those, you know, that, if it's not going to live up to that,

they don't run the competition until it does. And so you're often in for a pretty epic week of competition. But that place is talking about like the power of the ocean and different regions, you know, that you'll have a six foot wave there, which feels like, like 20 foot compared to what a six foot wave would be at a beach break somewhere else. And the way the ocean comes from big deep water and just hits big slabs of reef is pretty mind-blowing

and awe-inspiring and the special man. It's cool. You feel the power of it all. Yeah. Do you ever surfed? I used to live in Charleston, South Carolina. I would surf out there some. So I could do it, but I would need to go focus on it.

Yeah. I think just like recently what I've been thinking is, man, I just want to like, and it's like, I could do it, but it's like, you know, podcasting, it's a lot of attention, you know, you're like going for the next week. It's like having a show every week. Yeah. And so you're preparing. And sometimes we do two a week now because there's so many different people to talk with.

Yeah. And so. This is another skill you've got to learn. It's a lot of hours. Yes. And it's hard to, like, feel like, I'm always like, all right, I got to make sure this next one is okay. Yeah. I'm never at a place right.

I feel like, yeah. So it's like, I need to give myself a little more space and grace and just be like, okay, if you do go for a week or two, go do some things that you also want to enjoy.

You know, I do find it hard to switch off. What do you mean when you have? Yes, I do find it hard to switch off, but I also find it like, you know, like take some time and go do these,

these things. And I'm not complaining. I know I can do it. I think it's just like, it's like we're talking about earlier, like having that space in your life. Yeah. letting the uncertain have a little bit more room to walk around, you know?

Yeah, yeah. The observation, the stepping back. It's like, what will I see if I were to go, have some new experiences like, you know? Yeah. And then what will I learn when I'm a little separate? And just being like that is as much of the value as being sitting here looking under the microscope. Yeah. It's standing out of the room and not even being in the laboratory, you know, and just like having some of that energy.

So I'm not complaining. I know I can do it. But it's just like that some of it probably is a fear. Yeah. No, it's hard to get off the train of when there's momentum with anything, especially if you've been shocked by the handbraking of when it doesn't work out or things are kind of static and you're sitting on, shit, if I always had that type of energy and so to sort of willingly, by your choice, step off,

there's a risk to that, but it also is kind of scary because it's like there's a safety net and just carrying on as exhausting and maybe detrimental it could be because you're missing other things. It's like there's a risk involved, but again, I'm sure with you, you've found the same thing in life. When you've stepped outside of the bubble, the bigger lessons are learned.

The bigger sort of experiences occur. I think I came from that place where that was the thing I loved the most. Yeah. You know, but it's okay. It's all interesting, and I think that's why, like, even just having time like this today

to think about this, it's like, yeah, we've been talking, we've been podcasting, but it's like, I think this is a conversation that I just needed to hear, you know, Oh, cool. Me too. I mean, it's like I said at the start of none of it I've figured out. It's like I just find keep continually sort of asking and exploring and then hopefully not being too bogged down and having to come up with the outcome or the definitive certainty of it.

It's just staying curious. I feel like is the more fulfilling place to be in, you know. You're going, are you almost back to Australia? You're heading back home? Yeah, I have the premiere tonight for Crime 101. Oh, yeah. And I'll fly back home tomorrow. I've been gone for three weeks and it's hard man with kids Oh and they're here with you now

No no And they're at the age where it like They weren't really aware of time You know for a long time And now they're like It pisses them off You know And it's like well how long

You said this and you know You're supposed to be you dad And you're never here And then it's like It's not a dick dad It's not a dick dad A dick dad So looking forward to get back

Miss Miss Touch my dick Miss? That kid was crazy to be saying dick that much at school? Like 24-7th as well. He's a ranger,

he's a rangomiss. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Rangam. Stop calling him a ranger. Well, he is, miss,

why not? Yeah, yeah. And didn't his dad come down one time? Yeah, his dad come down because, this is the funniest right.

So he does a drawing and it's basically a drawing of an image leaning over and touching him on the groin and he's just taking the piss and the teacher's like, what's this? He's like, oh, that's me and my dad.

You know, so he comes down, the principal's involved, the teachers involved. And then they call the dad in and they're like, yeah, we're really concerned about, you know, what's happened. And he goes, yeah, I made it up. And then the dad loses his shit. What the fuck? What would I touch his dick for? What did

you fucking say? Oh. Thank God this humor in the world. Oh my God. What else? What else? You know, if we can't laugh and have fun and enjoy the experience, what the hell are we doing? What's the way that you communicate with your children or teach them to communicate that you think has been like a novel choice for you or something that you brought along from a place that you learned? Like, have you, has that been a practice for you to do that? Because it just seems like you try to have like have some awareness about like why you think certain

ways and why you operate, whereas some people don't. Is it even possible to incorporate that in some of your kids' interactions in lives? You do, but I think the biggest thing I've learned is nothing I say is really imprinted. It's like they learn by example. And if I'm not modeling that behavior, it doesn't matter how many times I tell them, you know, do as I say, not as I do. It's just, it's rubbish. And so if I'm trying to tell them to get off their phones and so on, I'll stop swearing and this, I've got to do it, you know. but it uh exposing them to to to nature you know like they're and we we lived in

LA for uh probably 10 years my wife and I before we had kids and then we had kids we were for about a year or two and it was like kind of chaos trying to do anything with the kids and paparazzi and so on and moved back to Australia and what pervert would take pictures of a kid that's the weird thing you know except for most of the people in our yeah except this business that Except for most capitalists and Hollywood elites. Oh, it's brutal. Yeah. No.

And so we went back home and we just didn't get that sort of attention. Has it been a good choice you made? The best ever. Like a big conscious choice to leave the environment that was kind of, even for my own personal sanity, like reminded of what I was doing or what I was not doing. And so it was very hard to escape the kind of work, the thought process. But for them just to look to expose them to what I thought was a normal, you know, upbringing and being as much outdoors. And so we have a farm and they surf, we've got

motorbikes and horses. And look, what a luxury that is. You know, that's not where, um, like we grew up in the, in the bush, but we had no money, you know, and now very different sort of financial circumstances. But, and that's the trick is trying to teach them the same sort of appreciation and gratitude that I had learned by not having my parents, not having money, but now we're equipped very differently. And, um, that's tough to do. It's a really, it's a really, tricky one, you know, but, but, you know. It's hard to teach your kids your same struggle. Yeah. And it's so you try and, uh, it, exposed them to sort of different situations or parts of the world, but it's also in sort of, in discussing with them the, not taking it for granted

and having gratitude for it. Um, but also, you know, I talk to my mom about this all the time and she's like, I could show you, you know, whether on this pay scale or, you know, you know, this end of the spectrum, finance or not, healthy and unhealthy people. And it's about love and security. Do they feel safe to explore this world and explore who they are, genuinely? You know, and do they feel seen? And so making sure we're there and present. And when I'm not working, we're 100% there and in your head's not somewhere else.

But just getting them outdoors, you know. It's the biggest thing. They went to a school, traditional sort of school, and then we put them into school where it's just like 15 kids and three teachers. And they surf for two hours in the morning. And then they do like really focused learning for a couple hours in the afternoon. And it's it's kind of like homeschooling in a way. Yeah. They're absorbing that information more because they've exerted energy through the,

through the day. But there's less kids and more teachers. So there's far more kind of personal interaction. But it's almost like sort of accidental learning where they'll talk about, you know, their math class might be around shaping a surfboard. So it's, you know, six foot two and eight and a half inches. And, you know, what's the leaderage and the volume?

And so they're calculating things where there's, there's an invested interest as opposed to just numbers on a board and, you know. And has they been working well? God, mate, they're happier than they've ever been. Really? They've been that school for a year and a half or two years. That's a blessing, man. Yeah.

And a lot of people are talking about homeschool here more in America. You're starting to see a lot more of it. Yeah. I'm friends with Candace Owens and she talks about this all the time is like, get your kids into a space if you can. Yeah. Where other like neighborhood moms or dads are also doing the teaching and people are playing a role.

I'd be worried if it was homeschooling. me trying to teach them, you know, that would be, we did that in COVID and that was a nightmare. And you were teaching them during COVID? Oh, just all of us were being, every parent was being sent like the curriculum. And it was like trying to teach them math, you know, grade five math that none of it made any sense to whatever math I learned in high school 20 years ago. And I was like, let's go outside, never surf. And, you know, would you have a chalkboard or whatever, no. Oh, no.

We had just like, it was, to get them to do the right one sentence was just like World War III. It was all three. even with just like constant protest and not listening. And I called my buddy, who was their teacher. And I said, how you doing it? He goes, mate, I can't even get my own teachers. They have my kids to do it. He said, let's just catch up when this thing passes.

So we had outdoor education, which was like, this adventure. Home schooling hits record numbers. Last year, last academic year, DIY education grew at nearly three times the average rate it did during the COVID-19 pandemic. So it's growing at three times the rate that it did during COVID. That's unbelievable. In the 2024-2020-year, homeschooling continued to grow across the United States, increasing in an average rate of 5.4%. Amen, dude.

I think the system in a lot of places can be contrived. So to have some autonomy over what your children are learning, this is nearly three times the pre-pandemic homeschooling growth rate of almost 2%. Recent estimates put the total homeschooling population at about 6% of students across the United States compared to about 3% pre-pandemic. I wonder how much of that is like, you know, parents teaching their kids or a group, you know, 10 or 12. Like I said, that's the problem. I think it's class sizes are too big.

You've got one person for 30 kids. It's like, God, fucking good luck, you know. Whereas having more of a sort of mentorship tutoring sort of program where it's less children or teachers. Oh, yeah, when there's just some connection. Yeah. Because when you're just sitting there and you're just, you're almost just like a piece of cattle for information. That's what you feel like in school. A lot of times I would remember that.

It would be like, well, there's just this information. I write it down. And it's like, what are we? There's, it doesn't feel like. No, there's no relationship to it. There's got to be a better way to do this. And there's no real relationship to each other while we're learning it, except you're like a dick on someone.

It's true and a dick on the desk. Let me see. The fraction of parents saying K through 12 education is heading in the wrong direction was fairly stable from 2019 and 2022, but rose in 20203 and then again in 2024 to its highest level in a decade. The reason is, for the move away from public schools certainly vary from family to family,

but there have been notable developments in recent years. During the pandemic, many parents discovered that their preferences regarding school closures and health policies were anything but a priority for educators. I don't even know if teachers

have as much like individuality and autonomy as they used to anyway. Yeah. No, and it's tricky for my mom was a teacher. It's just... Yeah, what does she say about it? Oh, just how... And this is America too.

America is definitely... Yeah, but it's just how... It's the hardest, one of the hardest jobs in the world. Like, and she just said trying to control 30 different personalities and then teach 30 different personalities who have different styles of learning and absorbing information was just chaos. And yeah, that's how it is. You look at our education system 500 years ago and now, it hasn't changed. It's chalkboard and people sitting in a desk looking in one direction.

Yet every other form of, you know, industry has evolved exponentially. That's a great point. And so I think we, there does need to be a big drastic shift and how we're teaching our kids. And, you know, like a lot, people talk a lot about sort of, you know, AI and so on and, and, and, you know, absorbing information. Do kids absorb it better? And can you then curate it more? But you have to have an individual there.

You know, we can't sort of cut off the human experience or the human connection part of it. But I would, if you could control it, you want to incentivize teachers and encourage more people to come into this industry by paying them more. So government funding because they don't get paid enough and they don't get rewarded enough. It's dark. I mean, yeah, the fact that we don't pay them and nurses now, I mean... Yeah, it's backwards. It's heartbreaking, yeah.

It's just like, and it's not the people. No. It's the elites. It's the government. That's the sick part. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's sort of a...

Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole, but let's just stay in the garden for today. In the garden, brother. We'll stay in the garden for today. Crime 101. It's in theaters. Valentine's Day weekend. Oh, yeah?

Yeah. Yeah. It's a lady. out of you're gay and both you guys like action. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Which is kind of rare in a gay relationship. Usually one dude kind of, you know, is a little bit more bridges in Madison County.

And, uh, you know, but whatever, you know. You like heist films. Yeah, if you like heist films. Character driven, you know, thought provoking. Yeah, you like some espionage. You like different levels of heist. Yeah. You want to support the heister's and.

Thomas Crown Affair, Heat, collateral. It's a big, beautiful cinematic experience. Shop in the Gritty Streets at Los Angeles. So nothing gets shot here anymore either So there's a nostalgia to watching this film I think that the people appreciate, you know Yeah, David Spade and I made a movie And I know I've said there's four in here

It's coming out in April Yeah, we shot in just north Right outside of here Oh cool And here actually we shot some of it in places That I even been to AA meetings, dude We shot in places where I've done AA meetings over the years So it's pretty legendary

But yeah, it's great to see something that shot in L.A. And if you've been to L.A., you'll see parts in the background I was like, oh, that's Venice Like whenever Ruffalo was sitting outside with Hallie Berry and Hallie Barry's in it, huh? Fantastic, man, what a force. It was crazy working with her.

I've admired her for so long, and she's incredible. And then it was one of those, I've had this happen one time with Kate Blanchett as well, where I'm so intimidated by the person and watching them, and in the middle of the scene, but also captivated by what they're doing, that I'm just like an audience member, and I'm forgetting, like, that I have to contribute. I'm just going, and she's that, and she's just a beautiful human being. Barry Keogans in it

He's a absolute wild man Yeah He's a He talked about like dangerous Um Like electricity on screen On and off the camera You know

He has such an unpredictability about him And it's it But just captivating Well you feel like he's in control Of what he was doing You know? Yeah It's still crazy that he was slurping up

That dude's bath water or whatever You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying bro I don't see out of the bottom of the tub anymore. I'll drink off the top of the tub,

you know, the top water, but I'm not, that undercurrent. That's just for him. And my friend, Crosby Fitzgerald is in it as well. She plays Ma in the new remake of the Little House on the Prairie that's coming out. So our fans over the years know that I love that show. And she has just a small role in it. There she is right there.

Beautiful young lady, so talented. And that show's going to be on Netflix coming out soon. But Crime on 01, it's in theaters now. give my best to your brother. I will, man. And to your brothers. Yeah. And yeah, thanks so much for coming and just sharing some information with us, dude.

I appreciate you, man. I love the show and have been excited to come on for a long time. So thanks for having me. Yeah, dude, it was fun, and I appreciate and tell everybody in Australia that I said what's up. And we're coming back there, dude, and we're going to go to the beach and we're going to do everything. You hit me up. That's right. We've got an e-bark and we'll hit the coast.

Good day. Yeah, good day for that. All right, cheers, man. Thank you so much. Thanks so much, man.