This Past Weekend - #642 - James Li

Starting point is 00:00:00 Let's talk about Netflix, but I don't want to talk about their shows and movies. I want to talk about the economic impact Netflix makes in this country. Over the past 10 years, Netflix has contributed $225 billion to the U.S. economy. They brought productions to all 50 states and hired over 150,000 Americans as cast and crew. That's carpenters, electricians, and small businesses, real American jobs. Netflix, investing in America. I want to let you guys know I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida. I'm preparing for my comedy special taping.

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Starting point is 00:01:19 5149 that's on YouTube. We got into a lot. I'm grateful to sit down today with Mr. James Lee. You look good. Good as I'm a look today, dude. I thought about wearing the bucket hat, but I'm like, I got to switch up the hats. You know what I'm saying? I always, usually I'm wearing the bucket hat. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Dude, I almost wore this beekeeper's hat that I got. Yeah. Yeah. Whitney Cummings one night at the comedy store, I think she was going through something, and she gave me a full beekeeper's outfit. Really? Yeah, for no reason. It was like, she's like, I got something for you.

Starting point is 00:02:11 And then she went and got a beekeeper's full, like, beekeepers. Yeah. Like beekeeper's outfit out of her trunk or whatever The last beekeeper scene that I saw was like From that movie, Bologna, did you see that movie? I haven't seen it yet, is it good? It's dark. Really?

Starting point is 00:02:26 Like really dark. Like, I'm like, I was not ready for this. I was not. Like, do you mean perversion or sensuality? Or like, what are you talking about dark? It's just like... I mean, the plot line, just like humanity, just like the...

Starting point is 00:02:43 What are they called? Malice or whatever? Well, they're trying to do like cultural commentary. Okay. And so I'm like, wow, this is not a, it's like, because I deal in it all day long. So I'm like, I don't need a movie. I like my movies to be like chill. Right.

Starting point is 00:02:54 Like rom-coms and comedy. Madagascar. Yeah, yeah, those kinds of things. Yeah. Sierra Leone or whatever, some of that. I don't know what that is. Well, I was just thinking of other African countries. It's crazy because there's like Madagascar and then there's Hotel Rwanda.

Starting point is 00:03:10 So that's only thing, like Africa, it gives you like some polar opposites. if you pick the wrong African area off of your, you know, the Netflix. I've never been in Africa. Oh, actually, can I tell you this story before we get going? Yeah, for sure. Just a real quick story. Okay, so. No worries.

Starting point is 00:03:26 James Lee. Good to see you today. And is it Lee? Yes. Okay, good. James Lee. Tell me your story, then I'm going to ask you a question. Okay, okay.

Starting point is 00:03:32 So just quick story before we start. I just have to tell you the story. Okay, so this is like a few years ago. Me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Europe, and this is like two of my best friends. And this is like the type of people you meet. at your first job, like it's a really, really shitty job where you're, like, we're literally like call center with the headset, everybody's yelling us all day. So we're like, hey, one day

Starting point is 00:03:52 when we get out of here, we're going to go to Europe. Yeah. We're going to do this Euro trip type of thing, like the movie. And we did do that. So finally a few, you know, years and years later, we had a chance to do that. And we're just going out and partying every single night. In what country? This is in like Spain and Portugal. But after like seven to ten days of this, we're like, dude, I think my liver's shutting down. Like, we have to stay in for a night. Like, we're going to die here. So then we stayed in and that night, so we were just scrolling around, whatever.

Starting point is 00:04:22 It was like Netflix or some streaming thing that I don't remember. And that night, we ended up binge watching the show called Deal With It. Do you remember that show? Oh, yeah. I was a host on it. I know. That's what I tell you the story. Oh, that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:38 Watch like 10 episodes of Deal With It. How stone were you guys? I mean, I don't want to say I don't want to say for me. I looked like a scared person in that picture, which is crazy. And so then we made a pact right there. We're like, hey, if anybody starts doing weird shit, like you just got to go with it for a little while.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Like, just see what happens. You know, don't shut it down right away. But that's a full circle moment from like many years ago. I was like watching the show. That was my first introduction to Theo Vaughn was this show. I don't know how proud of you are the work on the show, but it was very, it saved my life. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:05:10 It kept you off the streets of Lisbon. That's beautiful. Some beautiful streets they have there too, though. They do. Lisbon's so nice. But, dude, no, the show is fun. I didn't have much input. That was kind of the tough part.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Like, you were just kind of like screwing around. And then I also just realized I look like that lesbian lady from, what's that band? They sing like, um, life is a house. Oh, is a Rascal Flats. Yes, I looked like that lesbian lady from Rascal Flats, actually. Pull me back up. I was not aware there was a lesbian lady in rascal flats. And maybe that's rude to say that.

Starting point is 00:05:47 Yeah, pull her up. Pretty close, huh? Oh. I mean, Oh, there is not a lady and rascal flesque. I don't see a lady and rascal flesque? I was like, is that the lesbian? I don't know, dude.

Starting point is 00:06:01 My bad. I have no. I think I think I'll take it to somebody else, dude. Whatever. All right. Okay, anyways, that was, yeah, so then that was like the first time I, saw who you were. Oh, interesting, bro. Um, I don't know how far along in your career at that

Starting point is 00:06:17 point that was, but. Oh, yeah. That was probably 13 years into my career probably. And, um, yeah, Howie Man, don't get me a job there and thank you so much, Howie. That was fun. Yeah, for people who don't, didn't watch the show. It was like, it was like a hidden camera show where there's like contestants and then one of them has like an earpiece and you're telling them what to do and the other person has to like go along with it. Right. They're doing weird shit. Just like, hey, floss at the, at the, at the restaurant, you know, table. Yes. And then like, or like, go eat somebody else's food and there's these challenges that you

Starting point is 00:06:47 would have to pass. And if you make it, if the other person is like dealing with it, then they would earn money. Yeah. And so that's when me and my buddies were like, all right, hey, man. Just in case, we're in that situation. You just go with it for a little while. I can't believe the guys say they didn't watch that. But yeah, you'd find as two strangers walking on the street, you'd already pre-set up

Starting point is 00:07:04 at a restaurant. Was that real, though? Or is it, were the contestants really like, hey, I wanted those two people? Or were they, like, pre-screened and then? we would pick people that were just kind of going in or coming by. A lot of them do you try to get people and they just wouldn't understand or one of them. Yeah. Yeah, you'd always want them to go to the bathroom and then you'd go ask the other person who's at the table like, hey, will you be on this game show? We're doing a game show in here today.

Starting point is 00:07:24 And so it was a lot of craziness. The craziest thing that ever happened on that show was one time there was a couple walking down the street and we invited them in because you'd be like, hey, we'd be like, hey, we'd be giving away free appetizers or something. So they'd come and sit down and then one and then one would go to the restroom and that's when we'd ask the other one, hey, we're going to put an earpiece in your. your ear, we're going to start telling you things to do. If you're a friend that you're here with, when they come back from the bathroom, you know, if they don't notice that you're doing weird shit, like the more you can get them to deal with, the more money you make. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:07:52 But one time it was, so we put the earpiece in this lady's ear, the guy gone to the restroom, he comes back and sits down. And the guy was a pimp, and she was a working girl. Really? So she starts doing this crazy shit, and the pimp starts getting, like, threatening this lady like I'm gonna whoop y'all at like and we're like this isn't going well really and I do that that episode didn't air right no at a certain and that's when we should have aired oh you know um well it's in the vault somewhere maybe how we can pull that back up or what I mean it would be

Starting point is 00:08:25 wild if he did it oh I think if we aired the ones that didn't air that would be pretty wild but yeah there was definitely some there was like some ridiculous moments on there that were pretty great uh but that was one of the wildest ones and we just had to shut it down because it was like an endangerment to the lady or so yeah But anyway, James Lee, good to see you. Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show. Thank you, man.

Starting point is 00:08:46 I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live in, um, do you say where you live, California? Yes. I mean, I tell me why I live in San Diego. Okay. That's about as specific as I'll get, you know? Yeah, thanks for coming on, man.

Starting point is 00:08:59 I first learned about you, like, just in some clips online. I was like, look at this, like, investigator, you know? I feel like a lot of investigators now, and a lot of people are getting kind of their news from guys like you, Nick Shirley, Hassan Piker, Candice Owens clips. I just feel like it's becoming a lot more from social clips that people even get their news. For sure. And I would even say that I'm not, like an investigator, I think is like really generous

Starting point is 00:09:28 of what I do. Like I like to expose rich and powerful people. But there's like a network of investigators. Like we're all leaning on each other to like somebody's find something. I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm going to put that in my video. So there's a lot of information sharing that goes on. So I don't want to take credit for being like, you know, a guy that's like in, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:48 there's like real, real investigators that are literally pouring through like document after document. And sometimes I'll do that. But it's just like it's just me. So I don't have the resources to be able to do that a lot of time. So it's like there's like a collective network of like decentralized journalists or creators that's a good in that space. Yeah. Decentralized journalists.

Starting point is 00:10:07 Yeah. Like we don't work for one particular news organization, of course. So, like, we all have our own editorial freedom. But there's, like, alignment in terms of we want to just expose rich and powerful people. Yeah. Or, like, that feels like your thing, like, sort of your theme is the exposure of the elites. Elites or businesses, right? I talk a lot about private equity and how they're basically buying up all the houses or they're

Starting point is 00:10:32 taking over, you know, certain industries like the hospital industry. or I did one recently that was on. There's a private equity company buying all the sports rinks in the Northeast. And because they want to make more money, they were making rules in their contract when you sign your kids. It's like youth hockey.

Starting point is 00:10:51 It's not like elite hockey. It's like kids playing hockey. And they're signing, making the parents sign this contract saying you can't film your kids while they play hockey because they want you to sign up for this $50 a month subscription service that they, own that they want it like it's like if you want footage of your kids playing hockey you got to sign up for this oh like it's a max prep thing or something like a it's like it's just it's like it's a company called um

Starting point is 00:11:15 black bear sports black bear sports group and they own a ton of ice ranks in the northeast yeah this one right here wow they ban parents from recording kids hockey we changed that okay so so yeah this is so they i i saw this article i'm like i got to blow this up right because a lot of people aren't going to read this article. Right. So then I feel like it's my responsibility to say, hey, this is a big deal because this is just them price-gouging parents.

Starting point is 00:11:42 Like you're taking a moment of joy from these parents. Like they just want to, you know. You want to watch your kid practice. You're watching him. Exactly. And then now you want to pay all that and make them sign up for $50 a month, which is like more expensive than, you know, Netflix and all these other companies.

Starting point is 00:11:58 So you're basically like taking advantage of their parents' love. It's like, yes, of course we want our kids, you know, record of our kids scoring a goal, so I'm going to pay for that. But it's like, is that good? Is that, you know, is that the right thing to do? Yeah, like, at what point is there, do we decide, hey, we don't need to make a dollar off of this, right? There's an actual human value here that's worth more than some ownership or that's worth more than like the rights to something. And then how weird is it get once you start giving away the rights to film your own kids? And then it's, you know, like how long before a drone is in the sky. And if you

Starting point is 00:12:34 want footage your kid playing in your yard, you have to, you know, email the drone and pay a fee to get a certain clip of your child on a swing because if you pull your own phone out in your backyard, it won't work anymore because you didn't pay a subscription fee. You know what I'm saying? You just don't- That sounds dystopian. It sounds dystopian, but where we're getting now sounds dystopian, you know, in some places anyway, and in some ways for sure. How did you get into kind of, let's say, investigative journalism? Like, what spurned you to become someone who kind of wanted to expose. So I can give you like a short version or like a slightly longer version.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Because, okay, so I'll, I'll try to make it succinct as possible. So like many, so this is like when I was a kid growing up, I think I was in elementary school. My mom asked me like, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I said, teacher. She's like, what? And I said, yeah. And he's like, why? And I said, well, summer rakes, duh.

Starting point is 00:13:29 But that was, so like for me, that was the joke reason. but really I love just like, I have this natural curiosity for things. I love learning about stuff and I love telling other people about stuff. So like that's, to me, that's a teacher. Like what I do right now is like teaching in a sense of like I'm reading, you know, basically like one chapter ahead. And then I'm learning about stuff like, wow, this is really cool. I want to share that with the world. And hopefully you can use that information to better your life. That's my hope. I never obviously did that. I worked a bunch of different things. And like I was saying, I was working a call center, just random startups. I didn't go anywhere. So then maybe about 10 years ago, I was

Starting point is 00:14:08 talked into applying to business school. So then I went to NYU. I went to the full-time MBA program at NYU. You live in New York? A couple years. Yeah. It was cool. I mean, it was cool for a little. I actually didn't like living in New York. It was like just too, too much for me. Like the stimulus was it's a lot. Yeah, it was better back then. Now I go back. I go back probably a couple times a year because I still have friends out there. And I've been. visit them. And when I go there now, I'm like, whoa, this is like sensory overload for me at this point. But anyway, so I went to business school and I actually wrote my essay because that was when I was applying to business school was when Bernie first started running his 2016 campaign

Starting point is 00:14:48 for president. And I was a big Bernie guy. And that's when I first learned of like, oh, wow, the Democratic Party is not so democratic. Like, I'm sure you know some of the stories about him getting screwed over by the DNC. And he got railroaded. He won some primaries. And then they pulled him out. they pulled him out. Well, they gave, like, for example, they gave Hillary, like, access to the debate questions ahead of time. They were rigging all the rules against Bernie, just like, and then they were creating smear campaigns that originated from the DNC,

Starting point is 00:15:16 like the Bernie Bros. That was, like, a DNC manufactured smear campaign. They say, oh, Bernie Sanders is a racist and a sexist. That came from the DNC themselves. That wasn't, like, an outside group saying that. It could be. It was never an official DNC. Nobody said it was an official.

Starting point is 00:15:32 D&C contract. It was a leak that came out later on that said, oh yeah, they made that out. I would not be surprised. I mean, either way, his own party railroaded him. His own party did not give him. People wanted him and they did not give the people what they want, which is really the most un-democratic thing. I mean, that was the race that we were supposed to have. That was, that's one thing that makes me sad. It's like, we were supposed to have like the populist right Trump, populist left Bernie. That was supposed to be the election. Yeah. And that was going to be like, that would imagine that fight right there. That would have been, that's what the soul of America is all about. instead the Democrats got like the most establishment candidate Hillary Clinton. Nobody wanted

Starting point is 00:16:05 her. But anyway, so around that time, I was going, I was applying to business school. So I'd seen all that happen. So I wrote my essay going to business school. I was like, hey, I want to work in the news business business because I want to improve, you know, the way we report the news. And so I went to business school. So immediately when I got in there, they're like, I don't think you're going to be able to get a job at a news agency because you don't have experience. So why don't you do consulting instead? Apparently anybody can be a consultant. That's true. And so, so literally, yeah, no, seriously, I was like, I have no, none of this background. So like, credited consulting firms, like if you go to the right school, they will hire you

Starting point is 00:16:44 as long as, you know, you do well in the interviews and things like that. So I became a consultant, management consultant for four and a half, five years at a big four consulting firm. And it just so has coincidentally. So then COVID hit. Like, maybe a year after I started working in consulting. And it just so happened that I was working for a big pharma client at the time. And so COVID, big awakening for, I think, a lot of us. I mean, for me, for many other people, because at first, I was like one of the people who was okay. I was like, all right, we got to stay inside. We got to lock down. We got to stop the spread. Right. Who doesn't want to stop? I was like, I'll stop. Yeah, let's stop the spread. Let's do that.

Starting point is 00:17:26 and then it was then the mass and then eventually the vaccines but then over the next course like maybe a year, year and a half, things started coming out that was like weird. It was like, what the heck is this? Like they seemed to be contradicting themselves. And you had that whole Joe Rogan debacle of the Ivermectin when they said it was horse paste when there's like a human version of it that obviously he's not taking the veterinary medicine. For sure. So then I saw that. But then I was on the inside. I was literally like, okay, something weird's going on. And then I got to do. So this is, the year, I think it was like 2022, right at the beginning of 2022. And you're working for a big pharma company at that time as a consultant. As a consultant. Yeah, my specialization was supply chain. So I was doing projects like optimizing inventory. So it's like how much product you have based on how much you're going to sell and how much you're making. Because you want to have the right amount, right?

Starting point is 00:18:16 If you have too much, it's going to be, there's going to be leftover. It's going to expire. You're going to have to throw it away. If it's not enough, then, you know, you run out of stock and you can't make money, right? So you have to have the perfect amount. So that was my job. And a lot of it was like making PowerPoints, you know, spreadsheet, PowerPoint work. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:33 And so then we did this project at the beginning of 2022 for this big pharma client. I can't say which one for legal reasons, but it was one of the manufacturers of the COVID-19 vaccine. And one of the projects that we did was looking at the totality of the inventory they had within this product. And we went to them with the report saying that by the end of this year, and this is, so this is once again, In 2022, so then everybody who wanted to get the vaccine had taken it by this point. It was because 2021 is where it came out. It was about a year after that. People had already gotten their first couple doses.

Starting point is 00:19:07 And so we let them know. It looks like you're going to have a few hundred dollars or sorry, a few hundred million dollars worth of inventory. At the very least, depending on how you calculate, it could be worth more than that. That's going to be left over the end of the year that has no demand against it, meaning you're not going to be able to sell it. Right. buying it. And then a few weeks later... You're going to have product left on the shelves.

Starting point is 00:19:29 You could have... Well, yeah, exactly. Nobody's buying this. And then a few weeks later, I see the CEO of this company go on to CNBC or one of these news, you know, companies, news shows.

Starting point is 00:19:41 And he says, well, I think it's time to do, like, another booster shot. And so then to me, I was like, holy fuck, this is this whole thing is... I can't do this anymore. I was like, I'm out. So they created the booster because, oh, we have extra left over, of course.

Starting point is 00:19:55 I mean, people say that, but then they'll call you a conspiracy theorist for saying that because they're like, no, there's scientific backing to this and that, but I'm on the inside, I'm like, this doesn't look. This seems like a pure financial decision. Dude, Magellan was a conspiracy theorist, wasn't he? What, for going around the world? Well, no, who's the guy that

Starting point is 00:20:11 prophesized that there was another place to go to sail to? Well, Columbus was the guy that said the world is round, and I'm going to go the other way, right? People going one direction. He's like, I think I can get around to the other side. That was Columbus. Oh yeah, Columbus. That's the original reach around right there.

Starting point is 00:20:26 Yeah. First of all, let's just say that, dude. But at that point, I thought, man, I think I'm contributing to evil, and I don't want to do this anymore. Wow. And eventually I got out. There's a whole story of, like, me getting let go because I was saying, I started getting more rogue at work, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:43 just like saying stuff you're not supposed to say. Oh, yeah. Just milling around the water cooler? Yeah. Well, it's like powerful, you know, the elites of the company, you know, the people were really high up. And I started saying stuff that was like, I think it was correct, but it was uncomfortable from them to hear.

Starting point is 00:21:01 And then I get brought into like a meeting. It's like, hey, do you know, what's your future look like here at this company? Where do you see yourself? That kind of thing. And then I was put on a performance improvement plan shortly thereafter. People who know, yeah, people who work in corporate America will know what that is, right? It's basically their way of firing somebody without legal liability. Right.

Starting point is 00:21:22 They try to show that there's steps. Yeah, they say like, oh, we're not firing this person for any other reason other than poor performance. Except, you know, they said I was doing like typos. First of all, what Asian is doing typos? I mean, there aren't to make it racial or whatever. I'm not going to say there aren't typos or sometimes there were typos. But that's more of a, that's certainly more of a general Caucasian problem. You're talking about Epstein with the typos on the emails or?

Starting point is 00:21:50 Oh, that's a good point. Like the whole thing is typos. want to commit to, you know, completing a word, you know. Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, this is getting off track, but very bizarre how he typed was like, there's commas, but then there's three spaces after that. Yeah. It's like, it's almost like he wanted to show that if the case you ever tried to show this, it wouldn't match up with anything else, you know? And that's when you're in such a state of like protecting yourself or like outsmarting the world. So then at what point do you start? Because you started making clips first, and then you started 5149, that's your

Starting point is 00:22:20 podcast. So I, so I started, um, So when COVID hit, I actually just started doing videos on YouTube just because I had more time on my hands and I was just like, I only look into some of this stuff. So I started doing like one video week on the weekends. I was just like, you know, there's shitty videos. They're still up. People can look for them. They're not very good. But it's just me looking into stuff. So then after that, I started doing more and more of that putting stuff on. Yeah, making content. So I was on YouTube and then I started posting on TikTok and then Instagram. And Rogan shared. something here's or mentioned at one time. Yeah, he shared some. It was actually a really funny clip because I was wearing my bucket hat. And I think he was like Shane Gillis or somebody. He was like, yo, oh, that's the clip right there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:04 Let's see it. Before you press play on that. The person is just, that guy with a fishing hat is not a reliable news source. My number one source of news. Oh, meanwhile, what I sent Jamie yesterday, you want to get mad? Yeah. Let's get mad. The L.A. Fire Fund, you know,

Starting point is 00:23:22 They had this big show, big fundraiser. They raised $100 million. James Lee did a thing about it on Instagram. The way they distribute the money is so crazy. You're going to read this, and you're never going to want to donate to charity again. Listen to this. I watched this, I looked into it a little bit. We'll watch it, but what they say, though, is that within the first month, they distributed half of that money.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Hold on that. I also don't trust this. That guy with a fishing hat is not a reliable news story. So that's the whole thing. That's awesome, though. But I remember this thing. I remember like, oh, so this guy's catching on. People are curious about this guy.

Starting point is 00:24:01 People are adapting to, I think, what they feel like is genuine. Even if it's just genuine curiosity, I think people are attached. You can, you know, there's something inside of you that will attract to it, right? And people also are, I think they're truth seekers. It's like, you know, water seeks like a comfortable level. So it's like, that's how people works kind of finding you and being like, oh, well, there's something here that's real, you know? Well, for me, I'm literally like the definition of a person who is just a regular guy. I don't think I'm too, like, smarter than regular people.

Starting point is 00:24:31 I was like a decent student, but never the top student. Like, I'm not a good reader. But what I had was this kind of like curiosity. And one thing that I do think I'm good at is like just recognizing patterns of like this, this, this, this. And I'm like, oh, these kind of all fit together. It's like there's like a logical pattern that's happening here. And so I'm just a little definition of a guy who Imagine just like, hey, we're going to make you like an anchor in the news

Starting point is 00:24:57 And then you're going to be able to say whatever you want And that's just me. So like I have no editorial sort of control from other people It's just like whatever I'm interested I'll do a video on that And there's nobody really to tell me you can't do this You can't do that other than of course like getting the platformed Right which happened

Starting point is 00:25:15 Yeah which did happen. But other than yeah Happen recently on TikTok. Yeah We'll come back to why that happened. If I could go back in time and do one thing, I think I would invest. That's what I would have done. At the time, I didn't know, I felt like I didn't know enough. Oh, I don't have enough information or

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Starting point is 00:28:11 Has there been some rabbit holes you've gone down with the LA Fire? So the Palisades Fire specifically was, because now it's very much proven with facts that it originated from another fire that started 10 days earlier. I don't know if you heard about this. There's another fire that started on New Year's Day. They said it was like fireworks, somebody was there, and there was like a smoldering.

Starting point is 00:28:30 So the firefighters had come and technically put it out, but the residents there, and I've talked to a couple residents there, they were saying, no, there were still like smoke emanating from the brushes. And then seven or eight days later, That's when the big fire came in with the wind and it like whipped everything back up. That's the same thing that happened in Maui. A fire was put out.

Starting point is 00:28:52 The police stayed there all night with it. Thought it was out. They were, they waited there all night until like, I think until like 2, 4 a.m. or something. And then they went home. They said there's nothing left

Starting point is 00:29:01 in the morning the winds kicked up. Right. That's when it got to another level. Anyway, go on. And Gavin Newsom it was saying stuff like, oh,

Starting point is 00:29:09 we couldn't have done that because of vegetation. There's like some environmental reason why they couldn't go back in. It was like kind of bullshit. So now the state's getting sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said this is like a couple weeks after the fire. It started. The deputy fire chief said there's no way this big fire was started from the other fire

Starting point is 00:29:27 because we put that fire. That fire was dead out. And now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on this in terms of, he's running for mayor of L.A. And he's all over this. Yeah, I'm seeing that. So who says the small fire calls the big fire and who says it did it? So what, do we know what really happened? Yeah, we know. There's now, there's now evidence that. that definitely came from the first fire. So now the state is getting sued by, I can't remember who the, I don't know who the plaintiffs.

Starting point is 00:29:53 Well, what they did was, it was negligent because they didn't follow the procedures to put out the fire. Because they knew that they were still smoldering. I think there's records of this, but they couldn't go in for vegetative reasons or whatever it is. And so now they're in trouble

Starting point is 00:30:06 because now the damage that's been caused to the entire Palisades community, yeah, see, there it is. One year ago, just after midnight on New Year's Eve, a small brush fire broke out in Topanga State Park above the Pacific Palisades outside Los Angeles. Within hours, the Los Angeles Fire Department arrived on scene to begin digging handlines to stop its spread. The eight-acre fire ignited by a 29-year-old former Palisades resident who has since been charged with arson

Starting point is 00:30:31 was quickly brought under control. By 4.46 a.m., the department declared it fully contained with no further updates anticipated. But the fire was never fully extinguished. A week later on January 7th, It reignited and burned more than 23,000 acres, destroyed 6,800 structures, and killed 12 people in what became LA's worst urban wildfire catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was the Palisades Fire or the L.A. That's the Palisades. There's another big fire that eaten fire, which is in Altadena.

Starting point is 00:30:58 That one was caused by PG&E because one of the power lines fell down. Yeah. And so they're getting sued right now for that. Wow. But can a fire smolder for that long? I've been told, yes, it could smolder for a number of days, even weeks. It's because it's really dry there. There hadn't been rain for a long time.

Starting point is 00:31:19 I even looked, there was like literally NASA satellite imagery of like you could see like the hotspot. Like, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like smoking from my understanding. It could be like under the earth. It could be like hot. Right. And then any kind of wind condition, you could like, I don't know how it really works from scientific perspective.

Starting point is 00:31:38 But it's like starting a fire. starting a fire in a campsite. Like you can, under the right conditions, the fire will start. So I think the issue here, in terms of the liability is that the fire department is supposed to go back in and check it to make sure that it has been put out. Got it. And because they didn't do that, the liability is now on them in terms of the damage. I mean, there's billions of dollars of damage now. Which opposes, I mean, which is contradictory to what they said, which is like the fire's dead out. We did our job. What were they saying was the original cause of the fire? Well, they said it was just like an act of God. It was like, you know, there's no way to

Starting point is 00:32:09 stop this because it was so crazy. The wind and Poseidon or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Zeus did it. Yeah, exactly. And this is what Spencer Pratt's been going on. But he's like, this is not like just some crazy thing. It's, it could have been easily preventable if you guys had done your job. But what was the issue with the, with the fundraising? Were they given the, oh, the fundraising? So there's actually, I think they're getting sued as well now. Because that was like from like six or eight months ago when I was doing that video. But what happened there was like they, they collected a bunch of money from this like concert, right? This like a benefit concert, and they're supposed to go to the fire victims. But then when you do like,

Starting point is 00:32:45 when you partner with the non-profits, a lot of that money first just gets absorbed by the nonprofit for like administrative things. Yeah, holiday parties, shit like that or whatever. Exactly. And then from what I understand, like I've talked to a few residents, like we didn't see any of the money. Like, how do we get this? And then there's people or organizations that can sign up to get that money distributed to them. And there would be other companies like diaper companies, like diaper companies or whatever it is, like services. Diaper companies? So, like, for example, these companies come in and say, well, we can help distribute diapers

Starting point is 00:33:17 to residents that have lost their homes. But then now that creates another bureaucratic step for, if you've lost your home, like, you just want a check, like, just give me some money so I can, like, survive. I don't want to go to this organization to, like, collect a diaper because I have a child. It just makes things, like, way more complicated that way. Understand. So it's a lot of, they'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever this is.

Starting point is 00:33:38 And the next thing, you know, it's been distributed to all these different spots, and there's not any actual money. And then the residents, they don't know, like, where the spots are. And so it's a lot easier for them. And they're like, hey, this is the deed in my house. It burned down. Can I collect my $5,000? Or whatever the distribution was. Right.

Starting point is 00:33:51 It would be a lot easier to do it that way. But the people who organize this is the Balmer group, which owns the clippers and the stadium in L.A. But you think they would want to then do the most human thing then? If it's a, they're owning the clippers, you know what I'm saying? They want the fans to come into their games. Well, I think they thought. They were doing the humane thing. But it's like, I think it's just like the corruption of the system is like, well, we have

Starting point is 00:34:13 all these charities that we already work with. So let's like bring them into the fold of this. But it's not like the best solution. The best solution is just to give people the money that need the help. Yeah. But then now they're just enriching, you know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that are doing all these nonprofits. They get a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process.

Starting point is 00:34:31 You just want a little cut. Yeah. In its report, the House Judiciary Committee stated money went to left-leaning pet projects, illegal aliens, and the administrative costs related to running nonprofit organizations. This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter outreach efforts towards political advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are pretty troubling. I do want to be clear, there were many organizations that got funds, nonprofits that are certainly very worthy nonprofits. I think there was one. I was talking to Allo Black.

Starting point is 00:35:03 because he's involved, his house burned down. And he was like, I don't understand why the, what was it, the community college of like, Pasadena is getting money for this. Like, they didn't, like, why do they need money? Right. I don't know. So it's, I think it's more of like, hey, if you want it to maximally benefit the people, you would do the right thing and you just give the money to the people.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Like, show that, show a record that you own this house. Right. And then come and collect your check versus all this bureaucratic shit where people can take it. They're just trying to, the problem with the California is like, they want to, they had, there's problems that they need to solve, but they need to create the solution always involves like people being able to like stick their hand in the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there. And then by the time the money goes to the people who need it,

Starting point is 00:35:44 it's like a lot less of it actually is there. There's no dessert left really. Yeah. For the people that need it most. Oh wait, Robertson is an attorney representing Palisades fire victims in a civil case against the city. He says public records obtained by the LA Times add credibility to his claim that the Lockman fire was not properly extinguished. Okay. A new report from Alley Times claims the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to protect Mayor Karen Bass from a reputational harm. It was smoldering right on the top of the ground, and we have numerous hikers that took video that called 911, that still took photographs. So there's so much evidence that the fire wasn't properly put out. Got it.

Starting point is 00:36:24 So they're under, I mean, the state of California is getting sued because technically I think it's a state land. and I think now it's funny I heard Spencer talking about this Karen Bass is like trying to join that lawsuit against Gavin Newsom she's like trying to you know she's like

Starting point is 00:36:42 whoa whoa I'm also been wronged in this situation as well as it was Gavin Newsom so they're all pointing fingers at this point I mean that's Malibu but then okay so but then the out I want to do the outcome of this is like many homes being burned down and then corporations coming in to buy these homes

Starting point is 00:36:58 yeah you know if you I think you could probably look up a stat, like more than 50% of houses that have been purchased in LA after the fires were purchased by corporations. In fire districts or just anywhere? No, no, no, in the fire areas that burned down. I saw there was a headline of this for sure. Got it. The houses that have burned, I think, not of just regular homes, I think. Let me see if we got a fact check that. Investors are buying close to half the empty lots in L.A. Burn zones report says, That's conclusion in researchers with the online real estate listings platform Redfin reached in a new report published Tuesday. Analyzing transactions in LA County burn zones during July, August and September, they found out about 40% of Pacific Palisades.

Starting point is 00:37:42 Vacant lots went to corporate buyers in both Altadena and Malibu. About 44% of such vacant lots sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder, though, is there some benefit? Maybe they're putting it into just a business or, an LLC. I wonder if there's some other benefit of doing it that way. You know what I'm saying? Like maybe there's a different insurable that way and maybe regular homes. You know what I'm saying? I wonder if there's something else that adjust that. I don't, I mean, if I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:38:14 I mean, it seems like at the very least you can argue the size of the investor, are they Black Rock or is it like some person who owns like five homes? Got it. Right. That could be something to discuss, but it's certainly not people who live there. Like if you want your home and you live there. It's not like that. It's not like for your family. It's like this guy's buying the home to like rent it out or to flip it or something like that. Yeah. Which isn't ideal for, you know, home ownership and you know, you want people to live in the home. Yeah. And you can get a homestead exemption that way. I mean, I just, you know, or there's different things like if it's your primary residence. Um, oh, before I forget, yeah, what, what got you de-platformed? Let's talk about

Starting point is 00:38:53 that. And then let's get into the Epstein stuff because that's kind of current. We'll go down some rabbit holes here with one of the lead hairs here. For sure. Well, so TikTok, they never tell you why you're banned. Yeah, none of these places kind of do. No, you don't know. They just one day you're banned. Some people have warnings and strikes before they're banned. I wasn't in that situation. I had a good standing account with no issues and all of a sudden I was banned. I was banned twice, actually. So the first time I was banned, you can only now context clues. The first time was when I did a video about how our FBI director, Cash Patel, might be getting honeypotted. People have been talking about that.

Starting point is 00:39:34 I don't know. I never said. I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of reporting and who she was. And it's like, hey, this seems like kind of a weird relationship. Like, does she work? You know, she's working closely with Prager You, which is basically like an Israeli-run outlet. There's an intelligence officer that runs Prager-U. So is she involved in that?

Starting point is 00:39:52 And then it got banned after that. But then I was able to get that restored, actually, through a friend who knew somebody at TikTok. They're like, okay, I think we can help get you back on. So then I was back. And then the next time happened very shortly after I was named anti-Semite of the week by that group, Stop Anti-Semitism. Oh, yeah, the week, they're doing the weekly.

Starting point is 00:40:14 I don't even know that they're doing it weekly now. They're doing a week, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah, there you got. I remember Tucker Carlson was on this, too. Yeah. Who won? Tucker won.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Tucker won. Yeah. I mean, he was just in Israel. I don't know if you saw some of that interview with him and Huckabee. Oh, yeah, I did. Dude, it's definitely pretty baffling. Yeah. What was one of the takeaway from the Huckabee interview that you found interesting?

Starting point is 00:40:36 Well, I thought it was really interesting how Huckabee was just being so open about what the project is there. He's like, yeah, I want Israel to take the whole thing. Like, because Tucker was saying, hey, based on. About Gassu, you mean? About, not God. The whole Middle East, basically. Because he was talking about how, based on scripture, this whole land is like the greater Israel project. And he's like, oh, yeah, you have a biblical right to do this.

Starting point is 00:41:01 And are you okay with Israel taking the whole thing, which includes other countries like Jordan and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, all these countries. And Huckabee's like, yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty baffling. I mean, Huckabee just really, it feels like he's more of a politician for Israel than America. Well, that's certainly the case. I mean, he's the ambassador, right? He is the ambassador, but he also met with Jonathan Pollard, who's the spy, convicted spy, you know, traitor to America.

Starting point is 00:41:32 And he met him at the American embassy in Jerusalem, which is, you know, I mean, that's pretty fucked up. I mean, yeah, unless he was, yeah. There was actually a clip, and he was like, I didn't meet with, there was not a meeting. Or he was like, it wasn't a meeting, but I meet with people all the time. It was more of like, I was there with him. Okay. call it what you will. But I have a theory around this

Starting point is 00:41:57 because I was like, why would he even want to do this? Why would they want to telegraph it so nakedly to people and basically say that, yeah, Israel controls American foreign policy? That's kind of crazy thing to do. And then why was Tucker even allowed to do this interview? And I have this theory of like basically both parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they need to create these release vows for the base

Starting point is 00:42:20 in order to keep it intact. Like they have that on the left with like Bernie Sanders, AOC. I see them as kind of a release valve to get people back in the Democratic Party fold. Right. Instead of going to a third party,

Starting point is 00:42:33 something else. You know, like the last election in Michigan, they had this non-committed vote in Michigan where people really, because they didn't want to vote for a Democrat because they're supporting the genocide in Gaza

Starting point is 00:42:44 and they voted for this non-committed party line. I'm not going to vote for anybody. And that was actually a dead. Democratic Party move to insert that. Because if they didn't vote the uncommitted, they would have voted Green Party, and they didn't want people to vote Green Party. I see. So they created this other thing that made them feel some type of way, but really it was

Starting point is 00:43:05 owned by the Democratic Party. Exactly. So it was... Right. And they both do that. I think you're right. On both sides, it was like... And Tucker is the release valve, I think, on the right, where it's like, people are

Starting point is 00:43:14 kind of fed up with the whole, like, prioritizing Israel before everything else. So Tucker is creates this like, okay, at least somebody's saying this stuff. So like we feel a little bit better. But do you think he's an instrument of the Republican Party to do that? That's the, I mean, I wouldn't know you would have to ask him about that. I think he's, for my understanding, I only know people who know him. I don't, I've never spoken to Tucker. So I don't know what, you know, I don't really know anything about him.

Starting point is 00:43:38 But I think in general, he seems to me from the outside looking in sort of a guy who wants to do the right thing, report on the right stuff. I think he really feels really bad about the Iraq War. I mean, you've spoken to him so you can tell me more. Like, it seems like he's remorseful for the fact that he was such a big champion of a war that got like a million Iraqis killed, thousands of Americans created, you know, geopolitical chaos. He mentioned that in Huckabee interview with some of that. He mentions that kind of stuff a lot. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:03 To me, he seems genuine. I mean, it doesn't mean, but he could still be used by the party apparatus. For sure. It's like, yo, you want to do this interview. We'll allow you to do this interview. Right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Right.

Starting point is 00:44:15 Like, even that might even be a way of being used it. You don't even realize it. Exactly. Because you give somebody a, like, okay, you can interview this guy of ours. We know he'll say some things. Yeah. It'll let people, some will be like, oh, I was right. And it lets a little bit of steam out of the kettle.

Starting point is 00:44:32 Exactly. Exactly. That's one thing I realized about when I was sitting with Bernie recently is, yeah, he just kind of yells these things. And I've been a Bernie guy. I wanted Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket years ago. That would have been wild, huh? It would have been great because I feel like you need to have two people that have

Starting point is 00:44:48 different. views on the same ticket. Like a president and a vice president then. Whoever loses becomes a vice president in the election. That's what they used to do it. The first three elections were done. That's how it should be done because then you have somebody that you have differing opinions who has different opinions in you and you guys are in the same office and you guys have to

Starting point is 00:45:06 figure things out, right? Like to me that makes sense, right? It seems like the most democratic way to go about it. What I realize it's like, yeah, he's coming here and yelling the things. He's been yelling the same things for 30. years. Yeah. And nothing is really getting done.

Starting point is 00:45:21 And then when you look at everything, it's like, oh, wait, they've all been, we've all been yelling the same things for 30 years. Nothing is getting. It's all like you start to realize that the politicians and the people, like politicians are coming on a regular podcast town. We're just yelling at the people. Like, we've got to do this. It's like, we voted you to go do it.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Don't vote us to send you up the mountain. And then you just come back down and be like, we got to do it. Like, bitch, we just sent you to say we got to do it. So that's when I realized, oh, it's just this. And I think everybody realizes it that. It's a little bit like theaters. It's a shell game. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:57 And it's, yes, it's theater. And I think everybody's starting to see that. And so I think it's, to me, I think it's getting very interesting right now, which in some ways also is kind of exciting. Well, I think, I mean, that's one of the things I do appreciate about Trump is that they are saying some of these things just very nakedly. So then we could just have the conversation about the real thing. It's like when we go take Maduro in Venezuela, it's not like some bullshit about democracy or this and that.

Starting point is 00:46:24 It's like, oh, yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary reason why we're going over there. So then we don't have to do this whole rigamarole, this dance around why we're actually there. It's like, oh, we want the oil. So then we can decide, is this really good? Do you really want to be the country that everybody hates? I just, you know, I want to take Greenland. So I'm going to have it.

Starting point is 00:46:39 I'm going to take Venezuela. I'm going to take Cuba. Is that really good? Or is it better for U.S. standing in the world to, like, do more. more diplomacy to get what we want versus just like straight up just sending aircraft carriers or like, you know, the SEAL team to go in there and do the thing. I agree. I mean, and I think there's a part of us now that like you're even looking back at historical.

Starting point is 00:47:01 Like I'll watch old movies, like war movies now. And it's like it, I remember as a child, I'd be like, oh, yeah, America. We did it, right? And then you watch now and you're like, oh, what are we doing there? Well, that's the top gun was like basically the Iran strike. It was literally the plot is the same, the new top gun. Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. And he knows it.

Starting point is 00:47:22 I'm just joking of Miles. But, oh, you mean the original one you mean? The original? Oh, the new top gun. The new top gun with Miles Teller, yeah. Oh, so you're saying that. Because that was a strike on a uranium facility in Iran. That was the plot of the movie.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Oh, wow. And do you think that they knew, like, okay, hold on there's a couple of rabbit holes here that we're kind of burying eggs in here. But first, let me see. You mentioned Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? Because here are things that just a regular person I heard. There was minerals that we wanted over there. They were one of the few programs that had like their own financial system.

Starting point is 00:47:55 So they weren't on the world financial system. And then that they had done something with voting machines. That was something I kept seeing online, that they had some part to do with the voting machines. What in hindsight, what did you see about Venezuela or what were some of the kind of the conspiracy, the Ivermectin holes you were in? Well, I think Venezuela is really interesting in the sense that, yeah, like you said, there weren't a part of this system. But they were kind of forced into that position. But they weren't a part of what system? The financial system?

Starting point is 00:48:26 The Western financial system. Because they've been sanctioned by the United States for like 20 years, roughly. And I only learned about this when I was digging into this, because I don't know much about Venezuela, but I wanted to learn about the history. So I was like, okay, let me do some searches on the internet and see what they're telling us in the news versus like what the history books are saying. And so it was like, I can't remember what year, but like Hugo Chavez came to power as like the socialist party in Venezuela. And he started nationalizing the oil. And then he started doing programs to improve, you know, life expectancy and other important metrics in the country, like making people, like, earn more money, all this stuff. So like people's live, what do they call this?

Starting point is 00:49:08 They call them quality of life. Sorry, yes, people's quality of life was improving in Venezuela. but the U.S. didn't like the fact that they were, you know, socialist, so we don't want socialism. So then the Obama administration actually deemed Venezuela like an enemy to America. So then we started sanctioning them. So once we started sanctioning them, they had to start doing deals with other countries that weren't a part of the U.S. system. So they started doing deals with like Russia and China. And now fast forward 20 years later, we're like, these guys are selling oil to China.

Starting point is 00:49:39 They're selling oil to Russia. We don't like this. But then you look back like, well, you force them to sell. to those countries. Those are the only countries that aren't a part of your block. So then those are the only countries they could sell it to. So then they're like, oh, the Venezuelan economy is so bad. They've, you know, everybody lives in poverty. It was like, part of the reason for that is like you don't allow them to trade with any of our allies. Right. We cut them off at a time when they were growing. Yeah, exactly. Why don't we want to stop them from growing stronger, do you feel like?

Starting point is 00:50:06 Well, because their government was socialist. So now all of a sudden you have a socialist regime. That's doing well. Doing well right in sort of your backyard area. which is not ideal for sort of our capitalist kind of style. Like you don't want an example of that here. That's just my opinion. So then they started sanctioned. So it was a bipartisan thing. It's not just Trump government.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Obama government started this, right? With the sanctioning, Trump added on. Got it. Made it more, you know, robust the sanctions. And then all of a sudden, wow, we got to get this guy out of power because, you know, he's smuggling drugs or something like that. But also he was very open about the oil. Like he's like, we got to get the oil.

Starting point is 00:50:44 oil, but then part of it also, too, I think is... The Israel part is like a side piece, but it does play an important piece. What do you mean the Israel part? So like basically whatever country that opposes Israel, they basically tell us, like, we got to take that country out. We got to do a regime change. So like a lot of that is in the Middle East, but there's some other countries, for example, in Venezuela, they are very opposed to the Israeli government.

Starting point is 00:51:06 Maduro was very open about calling what's happening in Gaza a genocide. And so they're like, we got to get rid of this. And this is something I learned 20 years ago. There was an opposition guy. I can't remember his name, but he was running for president. And the media kind of slandered him, or they smeared him as a homosexual and a Zionist. So then, so to me, that's like, okay, that means within the Venezuelan culture, Zionism is a bad thing. They're ascribing to this guy.

Starting point is 00:51:37 So I think Israel will come in and say, this is a country that doesn't really support our existence. and we should do a regime change. I see. So you're thinking that part of this was that Israel wanted to come in and have some effect on a country that doesn't support them. Exactly. And you see that happening with other countries that are not. I mean, Iran is probably the main one right now.

Starting point is 00:51:55 That's like the last of their list. I saw you talking to Dave Smith about this, right? There's like a list of seven countries in the middle. From like the neocons and stuff like that, like going to take over? Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that list. So it's like that's why we got to take it out. Even though we have no nuclear weapons at this point, supposedly.

Starting point is 00:52:10 they told this they did well I mean one of the things is Henry Caprieles thank you yes this is the guy I was talking about Enrique Caprilez Radonski is a Venezuelan politician

Starting point is 00:52:24 lawyer who served as a 36th governor of Miranda he ran against Nicholas Maduro in Venezuela's 2013 presidential election Maduro and his supporter spread rumors about Caprile's homosexuality as a smear attack including public slurs

Starting point is 00:52:38 Enrique Kaprileus Radonski was labeled Zionists by Venezuela and state media and Chavez Maduro allies. These accusations framed him as tied to international Zionism, often alongside his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a Jewish guy, despite his Catholic faith. Huh. Well, it seemed like they shouldn't have done that to him, but I guess that's how the media works, right? That's how the media works, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:01 It's a state-controlled media, which we have a lot of nowadays with, like, CBS News is sort of, I would say, state-controlled media since it was sold off to Larry Ellison. Yeah, Barry Weiss started controlling. over there. How do you feel about that that's been since she took over kind of? Well, it hasn't really worked out. I think once she took it over, it was very overtly clear what they were trying to do, right? They were doing pieces that were saying good stuff about Marco Rubio. They were hailing him as some kind of genius guy. They were also doing pro-Israel propaganda. So it was very, I think it's very clear to people who consume the news what was going

Starting point is 00:53:37 on. And it's actually, I think that's a playbook that's maybe a little bit outdated, because not that many people get their news directly from CBS News anymore. Right. There's like that crowd is decreasing. It's like old people. I don't want to say. Yeah, no. Well, a lot of people don't even have cable anymore.

Starting point is 00:53:54 I don't even know where you would find it. Some of it's, you know where you'd find it. It's like it used to be you knew where the news channels were. Right. It used to be like the nightly anchor was at all these. Right. Like the Walter Cronkites or the Peter Jennings.

Starting point is 00:54:04 And now you have like Don Limin like tickling some guy in a church or whatever, you know, just trying to like tickle the holy water out of some honky or whatever. And you're like, what is even happening anymore? So I think just an outdated strategy. They think, oh, I want to buy the news so I can control the news. Got it. But it turns out people don't really like that. People know that.

Starting point is 00:54:19 And that's the same thing that happened to Washington Post, too, right? Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. He thought they were going to be able to do kind of pro Bezos propaganda for him. Turns out all his viewers or readers hated that. They canceled. And now, you know, they're doing, I think they just laid off like a third of their staff. Wow. And a lot of that media, it's just older media.

Starting point is 00:54:38 Yeah. So it's just kind of like leave, you know, some of that realm is changing. It's just like, not a changing regard, but it's like, you know, people want to come and just listen to something in a place where they feel like it's not being controlled anyway. Yeah. And I think there's, so there's, that way is old. So then there's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that. While you're, hey, everybody, it's Theo Vaughn here.

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Starting point is 00:58:41 There's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that if you want later on. Well, yeah. I mean, you got the platform. So that was from TikTok, you said, and it was from something that was... Well, I think it was related to me being named anti-Semite of the week. Okay. And I think they have, like, tight connections because TikTok's moderation team is run by an ID.

Starting point is 00:59:03 soldier. Excedive. Yeah. She was hired recently to run moderation at TikTok. She's an American who moved to Israel, then got Israeli citizenship. There it is. Erica Mindell. That's a pretty name. IDF Soldier, public policy manager of hate speech at TikTok. Well, did you say something that was hate speech? Well, according to them, yes, because I've been really

Starting point is 00:59:30 critical of the Israeli government, the genocide, these subversive tactics, they've, you know, they lied to us about all kinds of stuff. So I do report on that, and that is now considered hate speech at TikTok. If you're, if you're... So I'm criticizing the Netanyahu government, right, for what they've done, that is now considered because of the definition. Now they're basically saying anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. That is the definition that they're all adopting, including like the ADL.

Starting point is 00:59:55 So if I criticize the government, that's sort of a proxy for criticism of Jewish people. Well, that seems, to me, that seems bizarre. I mean, I'm at the comedy store last night and people are having jokes that are anti-Israel, and the crowd is going nuts, right? The entire crowd is cheering in those moments. You know, it seems to be a very popular sentiment that people aren't going to support a government that's doing what I believe is largely believed by most people these days to be a genocide or to be, you know, some people will call it a new holocaust or whatever.

Starting point is 01:00:29 People call it different things, right? Right. But that most people believe that it's wrong, right? People saw it. You can't trick my heart. You know what I'm saying? It's just like if you've been, if the media's been telling me for years

Starting point is 01:00:41 with a Holocaust definition that this is wrong, then you can't show me the same thing and say it's now it's not wrong for some reason. But also to not attach that to my Jewish friends. Like I had Jewish friends who are in the audience this weekend. And I make anti-Israel jokes and they don't have a, none of my friends have a problem with it, you know.

Starting point is 01:01:00 So I think, I don't know how one really connects to the other, you know, and I don't know if that's a, is that a problem of someone who's just trying to have a voice? Or is that an Israel's problem that they need to figure out with their own behavior? Is that kind of, does that make any sense to you? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you were saying. I think part of it is too, it's kind of a little bit dark, I think what I'm about to say, but I think part of them wants to create more anti-Semitism. That's like sort of the goal is like, you are not anti-Semitic at all. You don't have any hatred towards Jewish people, you think everybody should be treated the same, regardless of their

Starting point is 01:01:36 creed or color, race, immutable traits, whatever, and they want to make it so that you actually don't like them. Because part of the Israel project is getting Jewish people to move to Israel. This is what I've been told. This is what I've been researching for the last couple of years. That's part of their strategy. There was a very famous Israeli podcaster who was like, oh, I love Mamdani. And they're like, why do you love Mamdani? He's like an anti-Semite. I don't believe that's true, but they're saying, hey, Mamdani's really anti-Israel. He's like, this is great because this is going to get people to move to Israel. That's what I want.

Starting point is 01:02:12 And so I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing, too, with a group like the Anti-Defamation League, that their whole job is like to reduce anti-Semitism, right? Their job is combating anti-Semitism. Well, that makes sense. Like, I mean, you think you want to be able to protect, like, people. So the crux of that is then you get into sort of- Has the ADL spoken out against the Israeli government?

Starting point is 01:02:32 No. They're pretty much run by the Israeli guys. So that's the problem with the ADL. But that would seem like something they should do is speak out against the leader. No, the ADL has long been. I did a whole mini documentary. But does that make sense what I'm saying? Like, why wouldn't you speak out against the bad guy?

Starting point is 01:02:47 Because the ADL is acting on behalf of the Israeli government as sort of a spy organization in America. I mean, you could look at that as ADL. So they're not a free thinking group. They're a group that is a... Yeah, they're a civil... They call themselves a civil rights group. But what they're actually doing is trying to, like, create more anti-Semitic behavior in the United States. Because if you think about it this way, like, you have an organization, your whole thing is, like, combating anti-Semitism.

Starting point is 01:03:14 So let's say one day there's no more anti-Semitism. What happens to this organization? You're out of work. You're out of work. So then they got to create more anti-Semitism. So every year the ADL has published the anti-Semitism report. It's gone up every single year. The same guy is still there.

Starting point is 01:03:29 I'm like, if you were the CEO of a company, And your job, you're doing shittier and shudder your job, wouldn't you get fired? Wouldn't somebody else go in there? You would need that number to come down. But every year the number's going up, donations are going up, they're in the very nice building in New York City on Park Avenue.

Starting point is 01:03:44 So there's a whole like industrial complex. Same thing with the homeless. I make the analogy of the homeless industrial complex in California where so much money is pouring in the homelessness. But what happens if we actually solve this problem for all these organizations? Like you need this to continue. So then nothing gets done. It's the same thing you need all these things to continue.

Starting point is 01:04:02 You need the racism to continue. You need crime because then you have people living in fear, right? Like you need all these things, right? Because it does start to feel like we're living in a theater that's sort of controlled. Yes. Well, let's get into some stuff that's kind of current. Okay. And do you feel like an anti-Semite?

Starting point is 01:04:19 Did you feel like that was fair that they said that? Well, no, absolutely not. You can go to that article. There's nothing in there that I said, I don't, well, first of all, speaking personally, like, I don't have any problem. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I went to school in New York. I'm, you know, so I'm very sort of connected in that community.

Starting point is 01:04:35 And some of them... Yeah, and the bagel belt. I mean, I wouldn't never, I would never sort of, I try to be like, I'm like so scared of even saying anything like that, you know what I'm saying? What the bagel belt? Yeah, I don't know. That's funny, dude. I can't.

Starting point is 01:04:48 Who doesn't love good bagels anyway? My friend Max is opening a bagel shop in Florida right now. Oh, I know. I love good. I mean, every time I'm in New York, yeah, I'm eating bagels like every other meal. Dude, but I don't like it's when you go there and they don't have cinnamon raisin bagels. Is that your thing? Well, I just like to have it as an option.

Starting point is 01:05:02 If you're not giving that as an option, it makes me question you. It's like, what if a kid comes in here? What if somebody who wants to have a little bit of a sweeter day comes in? Well, they've got the blueberry for that. Yeah, I don't believe in that one. Anyway, what is he say? James Lee is a conspiracist who brands himself as a champion of the independent thought. He uses his persona to spread longstanding anti-Semitic tropes and conspiracy theories.

Starting point is 01:05:25 His commentary distorts the nature of anti-Semitism and vilifies Jewish communities. damn James but I well I challenged them to find an example of me vilifying a Jewish community you know yeah well it says right here

Starting point is 01:05:39 they aren't even hiding it anymore Israel owns America well I mean that's they do well let's talk about that for a second man you know so much now there's like why are we giving money it is real you hear that all the time right

Starting point is 01:05:53 it's not even you know something that people are scared to even talk about anymore it's like what are we sending all this money to his report And really just why is there the connection, right? Like it's, and, and there's not like a clear answer sometimes. It's never like, hey, this is our ally, this, because, you know, this is.

Starting point is 01:06:12 But yeah, you're like, we can't pay our nurses. We can't, you know, I'm saying we don't have, like we have issues in our public schools. More people are choosing to homeschool than ever, which is just another burden on the family, really, right? You know, our food supply has been deemed toxic, toxic, right? That's something that we're battling right now. 70% of young men can't serve in the military because of the physical shape that they're in. Right. So you start to wonder why do we have this extra money to just send to a place, right?

Starting point is 01:06:45 So that I think is a very fair question. And I've been thinking about a lot. And I do think I don't think we're just sending money to a place. I do believe that our country's owned by Israel. And that so you just give the money to the boss. So it's not us, they're just getting the money that's, that's theirs. That's theirs, yeah. That's what I started to realize.

Starting point is 01:07:06 I'm like, yeah, because if you do this for so long and it doesn't make any, you know what I'm saying, like, there's no answer. It's like, oh, well, that's just, that's the boss coming and just getting his money, you know. And so, yeah, I just think that that's kind of where we're at. And I don't mean that in an un-American way. I think there's still, like, a lot of, like, strength and hard in the idea of America. But I've thought for a long time that we're just like an LLC, like we're a shell company that's owned by Israel, and that's honestly just what it feels like more and more.

Starting point is 01:07:33 Yeah, well, part of it's like we're supposed to be like allies. So then we're supposed to have like cooperation. You get something out of it. We get something out of it. But then I recently was listening to a podcast with that CIA guy. I don't know if you've talked to him, John Kariaku. The long guy with the curly hair? No.

Starting point is 01:07:49 John Kariaku looks like that. Yep. And is he a good guy? He's a good. So he was the one that, he was the one that whistle blue, the torture program after Iraq and in Guantanamo in those places. And he went to jail for two years because he violated some statute or whatever for telling us about that. We were torturing, you know, people.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Oh, he told it? Yeah. CIA whistleblower John Kirakou, who exposed the treatment of al-Qaeda suspects held in secret prisons, told the Bureau today it was now down a journalist to tell the full story about the intelligence agency torture program because politicians did not have the will. Okay, got it. So I just wanted to get some clarity on who he is. So anyways, so he was asked,

Starting point is 01:08:33 is there like one particular intelligence agency that you just did not trust? He was like, yeah, it was Mossad. And he was telling the story about how every time Mossad comes into the CIA headquarters, they try to drop off some GIF that has like a bug in it so the listening device. And every single time they would catch them,

Starting point is 01:08:47 like guys, you have to stop bringing these bugging devices into our headquarters. And eventually, I think the Mossad is no longer allowed at CIA. headquarters because they keep trying to bug our conference rooms. But they have to have access to our conference rooms. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, do you think that that's, oh, this was in the past?

Starting point is 01:09:06 You mean a recently? Past. Okay, got it. Yeah. So he was the one who was kind of, he was just saying that those were some stories from there. Yeah. So I'm like, this is not how an ally should act, right? Because we're supposed to be partners.

Starting point is 01:09:15 Like, why are you trying to bug our, you know, spy on us? Right. Right. That's one of the thing. I think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz, like, should Israel spy on us? Like, is that something that they should do as an ally. So that's what I'm saying is like, this relationship seems like, a little bit like,

Starting point is 01:09:27 I think it's monitoring their employees. Yeah, a little bit of an abusive relationship is what is going on, right? That's, that's kind of how I would view it in like a more like, you know, just like a layman setting,

Starting point is 01:09:37 way of putting it is like, I think this is an abusive relationship. They keep kicking us and then we keep going back to them and like saying, please, well, we'll do better next time and we'll help you and this and that. Well, what spurned this?

Starting point is 01:09:47 I mean, the thing that spurned this is the stuff in Gaza, that's what spurned so much of this people looking at Israel. I mean, like, what is going on here? Right? That's what it broke for the regular American public. I probably was, I was definitely not looking at Israel before. The only weird thing that I saw that kind of got my sort of red flags raised was about a year before that Israel had killed a journalist, an Al Jazeera journalist, who was I believe an American Palestinian. And they said, no, they were caught in the line of fire or something like that. But then it later came out that, yeah, they just executed her. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is very bizarre. Like, why are they able to just kill journalists without any kind of, you know, international condemnation or anything like that without any accountability.

Starting point is 01:10:30 So there's something weird going on here. And then October 7th happened. And that's when I think everybody started looking in. And you do one search and like, oh, this is, this is, you know, this is what. And Charlie Kirk was one of the first one, like, I think two days after he was like, this is one of the, you know, why was, why did this even happen? Like, was there a stand down order kind of situation? Like, how are they even able to come across the border?

Starting point is 01:10:50 This is one of the most secure borders in the world. How did it take them six hours? He's like, it takes 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to the border. Why are you, you know, what's going on here? Was there something to then create this excuse to then now launch like a counteroffensive, quote unquote counter offensive and basically turn Gaza into rebel? And do you think that that's what happened? What do you feel like about it?

Starting point is 01:11:17 Well, I mean, this is based on my conjecture is that, yeah, I do think that... What is conjecture mean? Conjecture is like just me sort of coming up. with a claim without knowing all the information. Because, of course, I'm not in the security briefing. So guessing or whatever. I'm guessing a little bit. But Asian guessing has got to be better than just regular white guessing, yeah?

Starting point is 01:11:37 Some would say that. Like when you guys guessed, dude, I bet it's, you know. Look, I got a pretty good track record of my conjectures. I just put it that way. Got it. So, look, there's no other explanation. Like, why, you know, it would at most take one hour for them to respond. Got it took them six hours to respond.

Starting point is 01:11:53 It doesn't make any sense. So then it's kind of like 9-11. It's like some, we kind of knew some shit. Like somebody knew something, right? There was like the shorting of the airline stocks. There are people taking insurance out on the building. Somebody knew something. In this situation, it seemed like there were people in the Israeli government who knew that this was about to come.

Starting point is 01:12:10 And they just kind of let it happen, therefore creating the pretense to then destroy Gaza. Well, there was interesting that there was allegedly plans to like build buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza years earlier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've heard that somewhere. Allegedly that there was... And that's not the new thing with Jared Kushner and the new, like, Gaza plan. Well, yeah, it was like, let's do the mall over there. We're going to build a five guys, you know? But who's going to go eat on top of the...

Starting point is 01:12:38 That's what I'm saying. ...aunted burial site of hundreds of thousands of people. That's what I'm saying. And it's like, do you really want a vacation there with your family? Would you take your kids? It's like, oh, we're going to go to, you know... I mean, I guess good real estate, but... But what if you're playing on the beach

Starting point is 01:12:53 there's just a bunch of bones in the thing. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I wouldn't want to go there. Oh, gosh. That's pretty that way. Let's go down some of the rabbit holes. Like, because, you know, these are things you like to investigate or get curious about.

Starting point is 01:13:06 Let's start with Epstein and the files release. What do you think is happening with the document release? Because it seems very odd as a regular guy that we're getting documents, right? They're coming this years later. Both parties have been in Democratic and Republican. and have been in office since then, right? More than ever, it seems like both parties are just the same party with a different name.

Starting point is 01:13:30 That's literally my shirt. Oh, yeah, different brands, same ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious. So true. Oh, it's almost like that cola Pepsi wore a little bit. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's great. And so it's just an interesting time.

Starting point is 01:13:44 And the names that are redacted aren't the names of the victim. It's just like, there's so much going on there. What do you think about it? Well, I mean, they tried, I don't think they thought these files would, ever come out. Neither party.

Starting point is 01:13:55 Really? Yeah. I don't think they thought. I think they were going to bury this forever. So you don't think it's a strategic release right now. No, I think right now is like this is what we're going to offer because they were forced through that boat that Thomas Massey and Roe Connick, big credit to them to have the political

Starting point is 01:14:11 courage to keep going. And we had them both on here. Shout out, bro. I will say that shit. Pull up. But anyway, go on. So take us into some of that, yeah, what are some of the things that you feel

Starting point is 01:14:21 like? Yeah. So you don't think it's strategic? I don't think it's, I think this is a release. So you think it's an effect that they didn't want to do. You didn't want to do this. They didn't want to do this. And so that's why you have all the names of the perpetrators being redacted, right?

Starting point is 01:14:34 They're only supposed to redact the victim's names. A lot of the perpetrator's names are redacted. And now they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I think this is like, we'll put something out because we're legally compelled to do it by the vote. It was like past unanimous, but I think there's one person who voted present. And because they were forced. You don't want to be.

Starting point is 01:14:53 the record voting against disclosure, you know, putting pedophiles in jail. Like, you don't want to be that guy or gal, right? So then they were all forced to vote for it because they got, because they didn't, they did not want that to get to the House floor or the Senate, but they had to vote for it. Because once it was there, you don't want to be

Starting point is 01:15:09 voting against it. Like, what, you're trying to cover up for billionaire pedophiles? You don't want to be on the record doing that. So I think this release was a result of that. And in terms of the Epstein stuff, like, what we're going to get into, I just want to say, like, there are a lot of people that have looked in the Epstein for decades. Like if you want to do a whole episode on Epstein, like you got to bring in somebody like Whitney Webb or Julie Brown. You know, she's from the Miami Herald. She's been coming

Starting point is 01:15:31 Epstein since like 2005. Yeah, yeah. We're trying to get her in, actually. So I'm just prefacing. Like, hey, we're going to look at this Epstein stuff, but I want to give credit to like those are the people that are like the Epstein experts. I'm just a regular dude that looking at the files. Yeah, they've been digging. You just came to kind of till the soil a little. Exactly, exactly. So then one big thing that I wanted to start out looking at was to answer the big question. Do you remember when Cash Patel went in front of Congress and he said, we have zero evidence that Epstein trafficked any young girls to anybody. 100%.

Starting point is 01:15:56 Right? And everybody was like, what? How is that possible? You were railing about the Epstein files for years, and now you go in and say you found nothing? And so that was one of the first things like, hey, do we have, do you want to play that first? And this is my boy at Louisiana right here. Shout out. You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women too besides himself? himself there is no credible information none if there were i would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals and the information we have again is limited so the answer

Starting point is 01:16:30 is no one for the information that we have in the files in the case file okay all right dude i believe i'm not joking i there's people that say that that created like a fake office and everything for Patel and we're only giving him certain information. Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was... So, even what he said, if you listen to there, from this limited, he said, did he say limited stuff I've seen or from what I've seen, which has been limited?

Starting point is 01:17:01 So who knows if he even saw everything? Right, so he's, well, you're saying that somebody's even hiding something from him, that means another person above a shadow figure that's like... Right, like, he goes into an office and has this perception that everything is a certain way. And it's, he doesn't, it's not,

Starting point is 01:17:17 he doesn't know. So then of course he's going to show up and what he's saying is the truth to him. Right? Because he even said from a limited, what did he say, Nick? For the information that we have. Well, they have it.

Starting point is 01:17:31 But he's denoting that's, you know what I'm saying? From the impression that we have. I bet he didn't even see all of this stuff. Well, I bet he saw some of the because the stuff that has been released, some say it's half. Some say the Channel 4 News and the UK say it's 2% of what the total is.

Starting point is 01:17:46 We don't know what the real number is. But so I, so one of the things I want to look at is, is there anything in the, in the files that suggests that Epstein trafficked young girls to other people other than himself, right? That's a big question that we should all have answered. And I'm not even looking. So there's, there's, there's, within the files, there's the emails, right, between Epstein and a bunch of other people, but there's also, like, FBI tip stuff where people are saying crazy. This is where you see a lot of the Trump stuff is, like, people calling the tip line saying, I saw Trump do this, I saw Trump do that. So I'm, I'm, like, removing that stuff. I'm just going off the emails to say, look, it's

Starting point is 01:18:17 does it look like? And there's one email chain between Epstein and Steve Tish. And Steve Tish is the owner of the New York Giants. Is he really? Yeah. Shout out Jackson Dart. And so go, so let's start at the bottom because this is the, let's do it in chronological order, right? Okay. I don't know if you want to read or you want me to read. Um, you be, I'll be, I don't know who to be. I'll be, I'll be, I guess I'll be Tish. Okay. All right, all right. All right. Okay. And you'll be Epstein. Yeah. Hi, Jeffrey. I just had lunch with your assistant's friend, Blank, who I met at your house Wednesday morning, very sweet girl. Do you know anything about her? Thanks, Steve. And then Epstein says, no, but I will ask blank, all confidential. I will get all info.

Starting point is 01:18:57 Did you contact the great fake ass tit, blank? She's a character. Short term, has an older boyfriend, going to acting school, a 10 ass. I am happy to have you as a new, but obviously shared interest friend. Thanks, Jeffrey. Curious to know about redacted. I will contact Redacted. I will contact Redact. pro or civilian. So that probably means sex worker or just a regular non-sex worker. Right. And then the next thing is send me a number to call. I don't like records of these conversations, obviously.

Starting point is 01:19:30 Oh, 310779, 8, 9, 69. I wonder if I already have it in my phone. Dude, if I already have it in my phone, bro, somebody's going to win a winter coat. That's what we're giving away this year, dude. If they allow us to have it. Is this stupid that I'm looking? 7.09, 899.

Starting point is 01:19:49 If you call, tell him we're live to tape. Okay. Nope, nothing. Okay. Close call. Okay, sorry. So then Tish writes 310779-89-69. I've reached out to blank.

Starting point is 01:20:05 She's not on this trip. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, yeah. And this is Epstein. Report just in, you did very well. She wants to go to the play. She's a little freaked out by the age difference, but go to,

Starting point is 01:20:16 slow and wait, I will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine. Having her crying worked. Okay. Nice report. Funny comment on crying. So trying to seem like he's not involved totally. Well, I don't know. It seems like, okay, so, I mean, it's a little bit disturbing with the crying. It's like, why are you having her cry? Like, was there some pressure involved? Right, but it could have just been that she was upset about something as well. Could have been. Yes. There are, I guess, innocent explanations for this. But at the very least, this looks like he's trafficking somebody to somebody else. The subject line is Ukrainian girl.

Starting point is 01:20:48 Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. So it doesn't say that she's an adult in this. It says that she's younger. It doesn't say the age. Got it. But it says she's young. Got it.

Starting point is 01:20:59 But she says she has a boyfriend at some point, too, but that could still be anything. Yeah. I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things openly. Okay, so you're saying that this justifies some form of trafficking. Well, I think it justifies some form of investigation

Starting point is 01:21:12 at the very least. Like, you should look into what the hell this was. Got it. And is it being investigated? I don't know for sure. I think the NFL hasn't done anything yet. There are people who are journalists writing articles who said this should be looked at. Like, I think Steve Tisch, you know, should be investigated.

Starting point is 01:21:29 Because there's probably, because you imagine this is just an email. And then in that email it says, I don't like talking about this over email. So there's probably more conversations that are not documenting. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I mean, watch them just end up making them kick off from the five yard line or something like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, things are so merged and weird these days.

Starting point is 01:21:46 Who knows? So I think there's some other emails that I sent to Zach that was like evidence of this kind of thing. There were. Can we look at some of those? Here we go. Some other ones here. Yeah, let's look at some other ones here. Organize blank place for you, blank each girl.

Starting point is 01:22:03 Nice. We'll do. So this seems like he's organizing some meetup with some women with this redacted person. We don't know who that is. Got it. Right? So this is, I feel like this isn't, to me, from the outside looking in, because you're obviously not going to write in there. Yes, I am trafficking young girls to you, ages five, to, you know, you're not going to say that. You're going to probably be a little bit more subtle about it. Do you know any girls that are into girls who might be into me? And that's from someone to Epstein. Going to dancing again starting Tuesday. Let me know if you're in town next week, and I'll try to see if some of the girls are interested. And what is dancing mean?

Starting point is 01:22:40 Any news? Oh, I see you're saying. Going to be dancing again. starting Thursday. Hmm. So to me, these are just, you know, cursory searches from a nobody. I'm just like, hey, is there something here? It seems like at the very least, there should be some investigation happening.

Starting point is 01:22:58 I mean, you're seeing in other countries, people are getting arrested, like Prince Andrews getting arrested, Lord Mendelsohn just got arrested. Lord Mendelsohn did? Yeah. Oh, my God. Who is it?

Starting point is 01:23:09 Who is Lord Mendelso? Yeah. He's like some British, you know. Peter Mendelso. Sorry, yeah, Peter Lord Mendelsohn. The British are popping off on him, huh? Watch him get Paddington Bear for something, dude. He always looked a little suspicious, you know.

Starting point is 01:23:26 What are some of the other most suspicious things that you've seen from Epstein files? Well, so the other thing that I wanted to look into, too, was the big conspiracy is like, oh, Epstein was running a blackmail operation. He's a spy running a blackmail operation on behalf of Israel, right? You probably heard that. Yes. Do you think he was a spy, or do you?

Starting point is 01:23:43 Do you think he was just a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted pedophile type of dude who was just like, you know, just a bad dude into some dark shit and had a lot of money? He was definitely a spy. I mean, if you could pull up, he was issued in the 80s an Austrian passport. So I don't know how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a, okay, so fake Austrian passport, right? So you have his name go up there to the top, right? Morius Roberts. He looks like a little bitch.

Starting point is 01:24:13 Look at him. Right. So then, how do you get one of these things? Marius Robert was his name? First of all, that's cultural appropriation. I'm going to go ahead and say that right now, bro. Shout out all the real Marius is out there. And he said he was Saudi Arabian.

Starting point is 01:24:31 Yeah. This is a real passport that was used. So it's fake in the sense that Epstein obviously was not Austrian. Right. So he got a passport from somebody. He got a passport from somebody in the 1980s. And this is before he even met Les Wexner. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:45 So to me, this is some indication that, okay, so he maybe was tied up with the state department or intelligence, right? He was an asset of some sort that they wanted to issue this to so you could travel around Europe using an alias. Right. There couldn't have been a thousand, a hundred different versions of him. And he's one that over time just worked well enough, you know, that had enough success. Right.

Starting point is 01:25:05 You know, because with anything, you do like a C kind of program, you would do like, let's see, you know, let's see what's going on here. Well, so based on my historical, cursory historical knowledge, this is done by the CIA. So the 1970s, there's a thing called the church committee. Have you looked into the church committee at all? But that's when all the crazy shit came out with like Cointel Pro and MK Ultra, where they basically exposed the CIA for all these covert operation regime change in the Middle East and in Iran. All this stuff came out. Because prior to the 1970, the CIA would be just doing this stuff.

Starting point is 01:25:37 They would just, on CIA records, they're doing this stuff. And then after the church committee, they basically had to go through various channels of like mobsters or like CD characters in order to still continue to do what they do. I see, but have it off the books. Have it off the books. So then they need guys like Epstein to carry out some of the stuff who's not officially a CIA agent. Before they just had agents going in. Was that coming out of Vietnam that that energy just started to change things kind of? I'm saying like people started to not just believe in what we were doing was good.

Starting point is 01:26:05 I think it was like the JFK assassination was a big thing, right? Everybody was like, this is really bizarre. like how did this happen? There was the bullets that went in these three directions. And then there was, you know, the RFK assassination was also very bizarre. MLK, if you looked at every single one of those, they're all very weird. I think people started losing trust in the American government. And then on top of that, you had this massive war in Vietnam, like you were saying.

Starting point is 01:26:26 So then there was that political will to like, hey, we need to expose. Similar to right now, I think with Epstein, it's like, hey, we need to expose some of these billionaires that are running the country. It's gone too far, right? It's not like, you know, we're supporting Israel, but like we're still building nice bridges and we're fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's like, if they did some, I mean, this is a little bit cynical, but if they did some of that stuff, I think people would probably pay less attention to Israel. Like, they'd be like, okay, sure, whatever, do that over there. Why don't they do that stuff in addition to it, then I wonder? That's the big question.

Starting point is 01:26:56 It's like, why? I think it's because everything is so, this is my take, going to business school, just by background, is everything is so, like, siloed in the sense of you're only thinking about your own company. So it's like, I just want to maximize everything. for myself. So they're not really thinking about the collective. Like, hey, if we do this in conjunction with everybody else, like, we could, you know, take over the world. They're just, like, everybody's kind of getting their own piece of the pie. They're trying to just get their cut. And there's not, there's like, I think there's like less collaboration than people

Starting point is 01:27:24 think in terms of the conspiracy world. But there's a lot of various conspiracies out there that are very real. That's my take. Um, as a normie. Yeah. Do you, what you mentioned Lex Wexner is the guy's name? So Les Wexner. So he was the... Who is he? He is the billionaire owner of L Brand. So he owned a bunch of retail stores like

Starting point is 01:27:49 Victoria's Secret, Abercombeian Fitch, Bath and Body Works. And he signed over. So this is his... Because everybody... So that's when Epstein like went to another level. But then he was actually just deposed because he didn't speak about Epstein for a very, very long time.

Starting point is 01:28:06 He always said it was I regret my... association with Epstein and he didn't say nothing much. Like he just recently got deposed by by the U.S. Congress and he gave this long, I think it was like six hours, but there's some really interesting clips that came out of it because people ask him like, why did you trust Jeffrey Epstein with all your money? Because he literally signed over power of attorney of his entire financial estate. Is that true? Over to him. Yeah. Hmm. And people were asking, what gave you the confidence that you could trust? Is like, did you, Because they're like, did you, how did you meet him?

Starting point is 01:28:39 He's like, oh, I was introduced by a friend of mine. And then so, like, what did he tell you that he did to, like, have you give over, basically control of all of your money? And he, and he said that Epstein was working as the, for the Rothschilds, as their money manager. So I'm like, this is even before Wesner, which is where we think he got all his money. So even before that, somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high school math teacher was, was working for the Rothschild. Like, how did that happen? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:09 Which is, then to me, it's like back to the spy, I think. It's like, was he some sort of intelligence asset that was positioned within these, you know, people who are pulling the strings, like powerful families, institutions around the world. That's my hypothesis around it. Got it. So that's who he is. And we don't know any crimes that he did. He's just associated with them, right? There's no accusations against this, Mr. Wexner, is there?

Starting point is 01:29:33 I don't think there's any specific accusation. I do know there's a famous document. that came out where the CEO of Abercrombie was using Abercrombie to recruit young men into prostitution. Oh, really? Yeah. The CEO was of Abercrombie? Pull that up. Yeah, Mike Jeffries. Yeah, let's get again right. Adam. Mike Jeffries, sex trafficking. Yeah, right here. Former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO charged with operating sex trafficking ring. Mike Jeffries, former CEO of U.S. clothing company Abercrombie and Fitch has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking. trafficking in interstate prostitution following weeks of speculation or allegation of professional misconduct.

Starting point is 01:30:13 Jeffrey's romantic partner, Matthew Smith, who is also a man, and association James Jacobson, were arrested for alleged role in the enterprise. Did they ever convict him or was just alleged? I think he's in jail. Let me see. The U.S. Attorney Breon Pierce said, powerful individuals for too long have trafficked and abused for their own sexual pleasure, young people with few resources.

Starting point is 01:30:36 Is he in jail? I'm very curious if he's in jail. Like, where is he right now? This is a perplexity question. It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll down for a little bit and go look at perplexity separately so I can keep reading. Just want to see what there. It describes sexual, botaniles, spanning from New York to Morocco in which a recruited men were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and sometimes erection-inducing penile injections that cause painful hours. long reactions, boners probably. Oh. I looked it up. He's not in jail. He's set to go on trial. They just found that he's fit to stand trial. This was in December. Oh. They're trying to go with the insanity plea.

Starting point is 01:31:19 Well, I mean, that's... It's not idea. I mean, yeah. So he's set to go on trial. So the thing about Wes Wexner, Wes Wexner, hard to say his name. Les Wexner is that he's also involved in that whole Israeli, Zionist, you know, money moving operation from Israel, the United States, back and forth. to support various Zionist causes. Like, he's one of the big funders of the birthright trips to Israel, right?

Starting point is 01:31:42 I don't know how much you know about that, but I've talked to a few people the purpose of that. They're describing like, that's another crazy sex party type of thing where they get... Really? Yes.

Starting point is 01:31:52 I never heard that. I have heard that. Yeah. There's this one as well. I've seen, yeah, Israel and the CIA, how the Iran contraplanes landed at Les Wexner's base. So they're running some kind of CIA operation

Starting point is 01:32:06 using Wexner's airport in Ohio, and Jeffrey Epstein was facilitating something within there. Very complicated, but it's like, okay, so these guys are not just normal people. Got it. So we're saying that that guy's an example of somebody that worked under Lex Wexner in one of his companies.

Starting point is 01:32:23 Well, Les Weissner hired him to run Abercombe. Got it. Who's Howard Lutnik? That's a name that you hear a lot. Well, Howard Lutnik is the Commerce Secretary right now. Okay, the Commerce Secretary, United U.S. Commerce? Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 01:32:38 And he was on record. He gave this whole melodramatic interview where he said, he lived right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, by the way, literally next door neighbors. Nine and 11. That'll come back later. East 70 Second Street. 9-11. Yeah. So he was right next door to Jeffrey Epstein, and he was asked, you know, what was your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?

Starting point is 01:33:02 He said, well, I went over to his house once with my wife. I saw a massage table on the counter. I turned. I was like, oh, what is this disgusting man? And we left immediately. We never spoke to him. I was never in another room with him ever again because this is a disgusting human being.

Starting point is 01:33:16 And then the emails come out. And there's like all kinds of correspondences with Jeffrey Epstein about like visiting the island. There's emails about them investing in a company together. So they were very much closer than he let on. Than Lutnik let on. Yeah. So he just basically.

Starting point is 01:33:34 straight up, bold-faced lie to the American people. So is he being held on charges or anything? No, but he should be held on charges for another thing, which he just did the other day, which is, you know, the Trump tariffs. Right, they just voted against them. Skodas just voted against him, right? So then he was out there publicly telling the American people prior to the Scotis voting, saying, oh yeah, I think Scotus will side with President Trump on this one.

Starting point is 01:33:58 But his firm that's run by his sons now was like shorting these tariffs. Basically, they're buying insurance against the tariffs. Where were they doing that? Like on some of these like polymarket sites and stuff like that? No, it's through some kind of financial instrument that's way more complex than I can probably explain. So Howard Lutnik's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds for 20 to 30 cents on the dollar after Liberation Day last year. Today the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down for every $100 invested. Lutnik's sons just made 3 to 5X.

Starting point is 01:34:28 Welcome to Croni Corruption America. So that's like inside. That's just classic insider trade. But he's basically, he probably knew that they weren't going to go through. Right, but he says that. But he says on TV saying, oh, no, I think they're going to side with the American people. Allegedly. Allegedly, yes.

Starting point is 01:34:41 Well, yes. I don't feel like I use that word enough today. So if, you know. But there's another connection with him at 9-11. So he was profiting off of Trump's tariffs. Yes. Right. So then allegedly he would have known that the Supreme Court was going to do that.

Starting point is 01:34:54 And then so he's trade. So basically he's creating buzz in one direction, but then he's trading in the opposite direction. Right. Because if he felt that they were going to vote in favor of President Trump, why would he be executing the trades on the opposite side? Right. It doesn't make sense. Unless it doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 01:35:13 Right. That's classic insider trading. Yeah. That's the thing about like so many people like look at the leaky faucet. They're like, who's causing this leaky faucet? But what they don't realize is the true player is the or the people that bought the stream up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:28 Up from the city, up from the water department. and they're doing things there that eventually years later will cause the leaky faucet and they've set up all these businesses and things along the way like some people don't realize the strategy sometimes

Starting point is 01:35:40 it goes into things, right? Well, he is the, so there's some great, we gotta get into it because he is a CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald which is they were the tenant of a, you know, I think the floor 105 to 107

Starting point is 01:35:52 in the World Trade Center building. Okay. And he did not go to work that day because his wife, this is, Trump said this last week, there's a clip of him, like, hey, your wife, begged you not to go to work that day.

Starting point is 01:36:03 You never missed a day of work in 20 years. Aren't you glad that you didn't go to work that? So he, like most of his employees died. And then he did this whole thing where, I don't know if you want to play this clip, or I could just talk through some of the stuff where he basically took all the insurance. The company was paid insurance money from the airlines,

Starting point is 01:36:20 and then he pocketed most of that money instead of giving it to the employees. Yes. Really? Then you get past, okay, so it's like, did he know something? Like what was going on. So play this clip, though, the clip that I sent,

Starting point is 01:36:29 Zach, there's a lady, like, how he got his home right next to Epstein. It's insane. Tell me what are the odds that the notary to the deed of what was both Epstein and Howard Lettnick's property at 11 East 71st Street, because yes, Epstein owned that property before Lettnick owned that property. It was transferred to Epstein for just $10 in 1992. Epstein passed the deed to a Comet Trust in 1996, again, for just $10, of which a Guido Goldman was a trustee, the son of one of the founders of the World Jewish Congress, and then it was passed to Letnik in 1996 for, again, just $10. Who notarize the deed transferring this property from Jeffrey Epstein to the Comet Trust in 1990? A Gary Pollard.

Starting point is 01:37:30 A Gary Pollard just so happened to be in the perfect spot at the perfect time to record the perfect shot of the South Tower collapsing on September 11th, 2001. Is it just a weird coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein and Howard Lutnik owned not? 9-11 East 71st Street. Oh. Wow. I mean, kudos to her. She's, like, digging up, like, fucking documents. Yeah, she's petting a cat, too, at the same time.

Starting point is 01:38:08 Yeah. Which heavily reminds you of the person from Inspector Gadget. Remember that guy? I've never seen an Inspector Gadget. Was it Inspector Gadget? The bad guy or the person who was, like, the dark guy that always be petting the cat. Dr. Claw.

Starting point is 01:38:19 Yeah, so what was she saying there, just to sum it all? I think what she's insinuating there is that there's some kind of foreknowledge of 9-11, that these things that, how did Lutnik even get this property in the first place right next to Jeffrey Epstein? There's some kind of collusive action taking place here. There's something shady happening behind the scenes. Obviously, all coincidences, as she's saying. Yeah. But it should be examined a little bit further, especially with the context that if you look, somebody, somebody like did timestamps and all the emails that were in the Epstein files. And there's like a huge chunk that's

Starting point is 01:38:48 like missing between 1999 and 2001 that's like all not there. So it's like, was something. And Galane Maxwell's also asked to be on the 9-11 Shadow Commission. Like, why was she asked to be on the 9-11 Shadow Commission? Like, did she know some stuff? Like, she was reached out to. She said no. So, like, it seemed like they knew. Like, yeah, here it is.

Starting point is 01:39:07 This is from at Chris Martinson. It's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ has completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before, during, and after 9-11. Is that right? Wow, the gap. 25,000 missing serial numbers. I mean, how much do you believe we talked about this a little bit, earlier like that some things feel like theater right it almost feels like like you hear all these

Starting point is 01:39:28 things that like the the the Simpsons and they predicted this and every week now it's like it was written here and it look at this yeah do you believe and then it starts from like what do you believe about that like how much of like stuff like this like they lived at 9 and 11 and this right yeah do you think any of that's real or we're all just reading into this stuff have you seen enough things really like there could be something here i think so okay so i think some of it is coincidence, but some of it is like predictive programming and that they want, so for example, the top gun example, I would say is they want the American public comfortable with this kind of attack, this style of attack.

Starting point is 01:40:03 It's going to be awesome. Look how great the firefighters, the fighter jet pilots are going in, bombing the uranium site, pulling out great stunt. So that top gun was in Iran. That's where that happened. It was a uranium site in Iran. That was, yeah. So you're saying, let's put it in a movie before we do it so that it'll feel more comfortable

Starting point is 01:40:19 to people. Exactly. So some of that stuff, I think is predictive programming where they do that. Some of the stuff is coincidence. And then some of the stuff, I think, is like full sciop stuff where they try to get you distracted with another issue so they can maybe brush this real stuff. Because I do believe the F scene stuff is real stuff. Like, there's real crimes taking place behind the scenes. Like, people should be investigated, all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:40:40 So I'll give an example, which may be controversial, maybe not. But like, for example, I think the ICE riots are a little bit of a sciop. Yeah. Like that stuff is, I don't know how many, you know, how much you've talked about that. But like, I think it's purposely created to be a divisive issue. It reminds me of the stuff of the Portland, like in the park, there's Antifa and the park riots and stuff. And you had Renaissance fair people battling Bernie Sanders activists and some of that shit.

Starting point is 01:41:05 And it was like, what the hell is even, you know, Star Wars versus Game of Thrones characters? Someone week, we're like, what is even happening here? I could see some of that because there was videos of them like finding a guy who like started put like a Maltov cocktail on the street or something. Yeah. And they follow them, like, who are, you know, interview me. And the guys, like, obviously was just stopping by to do this, not really involved.

Starting point is 01:41:26 I think there's more of that that happens than we even know, right? I think a lot of the videos you see, like, oh, look at this, this seems real. But you don't realize somebody could stage that, put the video out, or it could be AI, and you don't even know. Right. And they particularly pick this issue where there's, like, no, it's not going to be any agreement because immigration is one of those issues, like abortion. There's really not a right answer.

Starting point is 01:41:46 It's, like, based on your morality. Like, some, you know, like, some countries are great. Like Japan's great because they're all Japanese. They have their own customs and cultures really cool or Scotland or whatever. America just happens to be like kind of a melting pot that's kind of what we're known for. But there's no like right answer to the amount of immigration you should have. So they pick this issue that nobody can really come together on. Right.

Starting point is 01:42:04 And then they send people on the streets because I'm like thinking, why aren't you sending people on the streets for like Epstein? Why aren't you sending people on the streets for like spraying pesticides and all our food? Why is that? Because that's a unifying issue. People will actually demand something out. This is like there's no answer because you could look at the same video. This happened with the Renee Good and the other guy, Alex Preddy, right?

Starting point is 01:42:21 People look in the same video and they're seeing different things. And they're like, oh, perfect. Let's amplify this more. Let's send more people out there. And now also they create, because I think there's something weird happening here where I don't think Trump is that serious about deporting people because there's like a business interest in like keeping them here because you have like depressed wages. A lot of them work in hospitality, a lot of them work in farm.

Starting point is 01:42:44 And Trump said, oh, those are exempt. Like, well, those are where all their. those are where a lot of illegal immigrants are at. So why aren't you doing that? Well, because your donors don't want you to do that. So then you create this nice show for people, a show of force on the streets. I think the MAGA people really love the ICE agents going out there and having that presence. It gets them fired up.

Starting point is 01:43:04 And then on the other side, then the Democrats are sending their people on the streets. And all of a sudden, both sides have created sort of a pretense to like now, we've got to surveil people. We've got to go to a police state. And so you get the best of everything. You still get the indentured slavery for the, for the corporations. Now you have chaos in the streets. So then you could bring about like the Palantir mass surveillance stuff. That's what's heading.

Starting point is 01:43:26 Yeah. That's the big thing I say. Yeah. For me, I believe that even like, well, it's also funny that one political party lets a ton of people in the next. Yeah, yeah. And they're the bad guys. And then the next political party is, uh, um, they're the ones who're trying to get everybody out. And they're the, they're the bad guys, right?

Starting point is 01:43:41 It's like, don't you see that the, we're just watching the show? Like, don't you realize at a certain point you're just watching? I've been trying to get people to wake up. I've been shit on for the ice thing because I have, because my audience is like pretty split. Because I, a lot of times I focus just on corruption and just, you know, this guy is doing something bad. I don't really do like party politics and stuff like that. So I have people on both sides, depending on the issue. Because I went hard at the COVID issue, which is like a right leading issue, right, against the vaccines. I'm like these pharmaceutical companies very corrupt and that's a right leaning issue.

Starting point is 01:44:10 But then there's other issues that like people side with more on the left, which is like the pro-Palestine stuff, anti-Israel. That's like more of a left issue. So then in the, and so then whenever I comment on something that's like really, I think, um, divisive, like I get hate on both sides. I've been called like a communist and, uh, you know, also like a libtard to like right wing Nazi. Like every, but if you're getting called both things, you're probably doing a good job.

Starting point is 01:44:36 So I've been called everything, like a CCP spy, which obviously, you know, you know, I've been called f*** it a couple times and wigger. Well, so, you know. Well, I think once you're in the game long enough, you, you, you, it's not possible to not be hated by somebody. Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, then you're probably doing something right, I feel like, you know? And you just have to do your best.

Starting point is 01:44:55 It's like you don't know what the fuck you're doing. But neither are those guys that have wearing the suits and everything. That's my thing. It's like those guys don't know what the fuck they're doing either. They just look like they know what they're doing. And I'm very open. And it's like, hey, I'm just giving you guys I see. Like I'm reading one chapter ahead.

Starting point is 01:45:09 My job is to like inform me of what I found. And then you could take that for what it's, well, I mean, that's like, I think that's the tie back to what we talked about in the beginning. It's like that's the role of a teacher. It's like I'm trying to just give you information. And then hopefully that inspires you to do something that you want to do. A teacher's not supposed to say, hey, you need to become X, Y, and Z in your life.

Starting point is 01:45:27 It's to give you information to then sort of let you then go out there and explore the world. Like inspire you to do something else. That's what I get from your content. It's just like, you know, when I see stuff, it's like, that's interesting, you know, or that. Hmm, that's curious, you know. I think I just get a curiosity about it. And this is kind of one of the first times where media has been open

Starting point is 01:45:48 and be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of controlled by a couple of corporations over the past, what, 50 years, 100 years maybe? Yeah. And you're going to see a co-op. They're going to try to co-op people like myself. I'm already seeing it happen, right?

Starting point is 01:46:01 Because now they can get people to say exactly what they've said in mainstream media, but then through the lens of like a TikToker who's just wearing regular clothes. So you're going to see that battle. Like an information warfare will continue. And that's why for me, I've always stayed very, very, you know, diligent about making sure that I'm not taking money for anybody that I don't want to,

Starting point is 01:46:20 you know, like I'm basically fully independent. I want to say, that's why I got in the game. Like, I could have made a lot more money doing consulting work. That was easy, you know, straightforward. But here, you know, I'm just hopefully here on like more of like a spiritual mission, you know. Yeah, well, I think, I mean, you want to live, like, if, if Earth exists and we're all going to live here in, and America was this thing that you believe in or that you knew your grandparents believe in.

Starting point is 01:46:43 A lot of people are like, you know, I'm trying to believe in what America stands for the best parts of it, the most moral parts of it, or that being a human stands for because like, you know, I had a family member that died for these goals. Or I had a family member that, you know, who sacrificed their life to work here in this country under these rules so that I could go to school in a place that was, you know, free Democrat. You know, it's like, I think people just want to have a life. They want to have a chance to live and their children to do so. And if you start to think that there's all these dark controlling forces out there, which most of you're probably elites and people that are like extreme capitalists or power hungry, that's very scary. And you start to realize, oh, there is a battle of good and evil at a certain point.

Starting point is 01:47:30 Absolutely. And that we're in that maybe. You know, sometimes you don't want to think like, hey, maybe I'm a character in something, you know. But maybe you are, you know. Maybe this is a battle of good and evil and you are. you were supposed to have a role in it. Not you know, you and everybody. You know, it's like,

Starting point is 01:47:50 sometimes we sit at home, we're like, man, I wish I'd have been picked to be like a hero or something. And it's like maybe you got to fucking tap yourself on the shoulder. You know what I'm saying? Because I do feel like life is a bad. I do feel like there's good and evil in the world right now. And I don't know how it plays out.

Starting point is 01:48:05 But it feels scary and it feels alarming. And I just feel like a lot of people feel that. Yeah. I mean, I completely agree with you. and I would just, you know, to kind of spin it on a positive note, there's a lot of times through history. I don't think we're living through like the worst of times by any stretch of the imagination. I think it could feel that way sometimes with maybe social media and things like that. Right. But I think there, even in dark times, like people really struggling at there. I think

Starting point is 01:48:27 there definitely can be happiness found in dark times. Oh yeah, dark chocolate. Look at that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There you go. So. Well, I notice for sure, it's like if I want to get my head out of like some of the rabbit holes because your algorithm will take you down some crazy it'll take you down some spots where it just repeats information and you can feel little bits of indoctrination coming in you know you feel the fucking you smell a little indoctrination smoke sometimes you're like I got to quit doing this um but if you separate yourself from your phone sometimes and any and any of the things that are kind of edgier in the world or darker in the world then things get light again pretty quick I feel like I think so

Starting point is 01:49:07 I mean yeah you have to like step away from this kind of stuff from time and time it's like you know your own body better than everybody else. If you think you need to turn it off, you got to turn it off. And that's why I try to do that with some of my content is like the natural path. If you start looking down these like conspiracies to get darker and darker and darker. Right. And some people are okay with that. For me, it's like I still want to provide videos for people where they can still take action.

Starting point is 01:49:30 Right? Because some of those things like, okay, some, there's some like dark lizard family that's running, you know, running the world. Like there's nothing you could really do about that. But if I give you information on like, hey, Amazon ring cameras. are like spying on your family through this whole dog thing at the Super Bowl, you should probably get rid of your ring camera. That's something that you can actually do.

Starting point is 01:49:47 It's like I don't want to be a part of that ring camera thing. Do you feel like they're doing that? Yeah, they are. They were connected to the company flock, which is giving the footage to the police information. Exactly, to the police. And they thought the dog video would work. They honestly did, because I looked into it

Starting point is 01:50:02 and they thought the dog video was a good video. There was this whole PR campaign pre-super Bowl, but then people saw that weird thing in the Super Bowl with all the lights going out. And it's like, whoa, hold on a second. And they said 10 million dogs are lost a year. This is going to find 300 dogs a year of like 300 out of 10 million dogs. I don't think that's a worthy tradeoff. Right. It seems like a scam. It seems like a scam. So then that is a video. That, that video went decently viral. And I think that's something that people can gravitate to because they can actually do something about that. Right. And that's why like I'm trying to play sort of a line with my editorialization, which yeah, some videos are going to be about more of the conspiracy digs. But some of it's going to be things that you can do something about. It's like what banks are good, what banks are bad. You can choose your bank.

Starting point is 01:50:45 Right. You can't choose like, you know, whether we're going to bomb Iran tomorrow or not. That's something that's totally out of your control. Right. Yeah, I agree. And it's like keeping stuff that's in your control. What is a good bank, man? What is a good bank?

Starting point is 01:50:56 I mean, I'm not, I mean, I don't. I mean, local bank, honestly, like credit unions that are in your local community, like small regional banks are probably the best banks because they still, they're tied to the community. They're not some kind of giant conglomerate like J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, that kind of thing. So that's what I would look for in terms of who you should go. There's some like new fintech stuff.

Starting point is 01:51:15 I'm making a video about this company named Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot of content creators that are like, you know, the ones that are all about like giving money. They find some homeless person. They're like, oh, let me, you know, help you out for the day, that kind of thing. Like really like heartwarming content, but it's like sponsored by Chime, which is like pretty nefarious. I don't have all the information quite yet because I'm still starting to dig. But it's like, oh, this seems like kind of a semi-scam that you're running here. but then you're you're advertising through all these good content creators that are making heartwarming content. So it seems like that's kind of, you know, there's a little bit of sussness to that.

Starting point is 01:51:50 Well, maybe it's trying to rebrand themselves too, you know. Well, it's new. It's a fintech. It's a new company. Interesting. So that's something I'm still digging into, allegedly, you know, I'm not insinuating that they've committed crimes or anything like that. But I just think that people, those are things that people should know. It's like, oh, because they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for chime to do my banking. Right. But then they can be taken advantage of because they're not under the regular, you know, FDIC protection, all the regular banking authorities because they're outside of that.

Starting point is 01:52:16 Got it. So that's the kind of stuff. It's like a bit of a balance for me of digging into conspiracies, digging it. So I'm like a very much like a generalist in that sense of like maybe it's just like my brain like ADD, ADHD kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or anything like that. But I see something. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to do that for a little bit. And then I got to stay on this.

Starting point is 01:52:35 But then something else has caught my eye. So that's a little bit of a weakness of mine. but also could be a strength in that I do videos about a lot of different things. Yeah. Well, I think we got to have a go for. You got to have something that goes in there and digs over here. And, like, you know, you choose on this vegetable and then goes over there for a radish and then goes underground and looks at the roots. You know, I think that that's something that we need more than ever.

Starting point is 01:52:53 And it's interesting. And it's just freelance. It's like, you know, you're trying your best work in freelance. 5149. That's your podcast. How often is it out? And do you still have you have a co-host on it? So, yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:05 So I do a show called 5149. when I do more of like the investigative digs on my YouTube channel. Okay. And I also host a show called the Todayish podcast with my co-host Danny Love. And we, that's sort of like more of like a fun podcast where we're just having conversations about like what went on during the week. She's like much more of like a tin head than I am. So she's, you know, I'm having a conversation.

Starting point is 01:53:25 I'm like talking about Peter Thiel, Palantir. You know, they're taking over, you know, surveillance. And then she'd be like, I think Peter Thiel's a lizard. Right. And I'm like, okay. All right, cool. So then, so she gets a little bit more weird than I do. But it's a kind of fun dynamic with like, we're trying to give you like important stuff,

Starting point is 01:53:41 but like packaged in more of like a fun and lighthearted way. So I also do that show called it today. So it's more of like a two-hour live podcast that we do every single week. And then if you want the digs, that's on my channel 5149, James Lee. You could also find me on Instagram still as well as Facebook, RIP to the TikTok. Then we'll get you back on there, huh? No, not as of right now. I think they're fully under the Israeli regime at the moment.

Starting point is 01:54:06 Do you think so, huh? Yeah. I know, yeah, a lot of our stuff got shadow ban on there. It seems like we've had stuff go down. But you can't, they can't ban you because you're so big, right? Because me, I was, you know, I think I was around 300,000 followers. So I was like, some of my videos would be popping off into the millions. But I'm not so big.

Starting point is 01:54:22 It's like, oh, James Lee is deleted. Like, there's going to be a huge outroar. Like, if you got deleted off of TikTok, there'd probably be a huge, huge backlash. So I'm in that perfect place, like, let's get rid of this guy. Because he has enough influence that's pissing him off, but he's not so big that we have. They find other ways to deal with, I think, bigger people. Like from my heart, this guy, Guy Christensen, he goes about your favorite guy on TikTok.

Starting point is 01:54:43 So they basically say they just demonetize him or they'll do like weird shadow banning stuff where he still has his account, but they limit the reach in other ways. Yeah. Yeah, I think that that happens, man. I think it happens a lot. James Lee, thanks for coming in, man.

Starting point is 01:54:56 I'm sorry we got caught up on time. You know, I got to get to the airport. So that's reason why we're kind of caught up on time. Thank you for, you know, giving me a chance to like speak. Yeah, dude. Speak the truth, things like that. Or my truth, at the very least, I'm just trying to help. Ultimately, I'm just trying to hopefully provide, like, a voice out there that people, you know, can maybe turn to.

Starting point is 01:55:15 Maybe they don't like me. Then you can go watch something else. But, like, at least provide that media alternative to what's going on with the world, you know? Yeah, well, we've always been able to be curious. I mean, it would be wild if we couldn't be. And I think more than ever, it's like, yeah, there's, yeah, people are trying to figure things out and just want to feel okay, you know. James Lee, thank you so much, man. Have a doing, brother.

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