This Past Weekend - #644 - Bryan Johnson

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Bryan Johnson is an entrepreneur and longevity expert known for extensively researching his own body in an attempt to live forever. Bryan joins Theo to talk about how the stress of his old life in the tech world sparked his longevity experiment, the data he’s seen on the best and worst foods for us, and why he sees a connection between AI and a higher power.  Bryan Johnson: https://www.instagram.com/bryanjohnson_/  ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ  Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/theo  to sign up  Acorns: Go to http://acorns.com/theo to get your $20 bonus investment. Better Help: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to http://betterhelp.com/theo for 10% off your first month. Morgan and Morgan: Visit https://forthepeople.com/THEO  to see if you might have a case. Morgan and Morgan. America's Largest Injury Law Firm. Sonic: Go out and try the SONIC $6 Meal All-American Smasher today. A juicy, delicious burger paired with tots or fries and a drink for a deal that speaks for itself! https://www.sonicdrivein.com/deals/  ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [e-mail] Hit the Hotline: [phone] Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/  Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/  Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate. He's basically his own guinea pig. He's kind of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way. He's an entrepreneur. He's been experimenting on himself trying to beat the final chapter, The coffin. Yep, he wants to live forever, and we're going to learn about it.

I'm grateful to have a conversation today, which we've got to do quickly because I think he's got to be in bed at like 4 p.m. I'm very happy that he's here. Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson. Yeah, this lemon water dude, I drink this a lot. I hear that it's good for inflammation. Yeah. And I do a lot of fasting.

And so that's been something that on a fast I will have this. Yeah. A certain amount. I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's solid. Oh, yeah. Do you chew on those? No.

Yeah, have you done that? No. It's good. I mean, it's... Is that a thing chewing on ginger chunks? Yeah. Wow. I never even thought of that.

Do you know exactly what it does? You just feel the vibes of it. Yeah, it's a very strong vibe. So, yeah. It's a nice reward at the end. Like, let me give you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar. Hmm.

Yeah, maybe I'll throw one in the old... You feel better after doing it, though? I just feel like I'm on, on, I have a plan and then I'm sticking to it. So much of life is like that. If you're like, kind of doesn't matter if it works, but like, it's like a thing. It's like a thing. It's like a structure, planned. Kind of does the thing.

Yeah, well, it starts to give me a little bit like of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes kind of a pattern. that's been one of the toughest things I think for me and I would guess probably for most people is just starting a pattern sometimes, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that's kind of been one of the things. Then it keeps you from the negative patterns.

Yeah, well, it's like, well, if I know if I have this to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes it's like if there's something negative the night before or someone, I'm like, I can't do it. I already have a commitment, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it has been tough. I go in sports where sometimes it's better than others, but honoring like commitments to myself

having that, you know, and just building that integrity that I know I'm going to be here for myself every day. Yeah. That's been a challenge for me. It's gotten better over time. But it's been a tough.

That's been probably, yeah, one of my tougher things. I would imagine it might be for most, for a lot of folks. Yeah. Like the disconnect between like what you want to do and what you actually do. Yeah. Which is like the human condition.

It's like what our existence is defined by. And like how big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or not. in life? Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, that's one of the things that I think about the most is how far away am I from what I would like to be doing, what my behaviors would like to be.

Yeah. Where are you out now in life? Like, I mean, you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now? I think, like, with work and things like that have been good. You know, that stuff has been good. I think, you know, on the wellness side of like, probably emotional wellness.

You know, I've suffered with like a, or I've dealt with like a lot of like, uh, um, connectivity disorders, like relationship stuff, commitment. Um, you know, like, uh, probably wishing I was making, making better choices with my, like, dating and social life at times. And, um, you know, sometimes if someone will show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's there. Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit, you know, So that's probably been one of the tougher things.

It's probably been my emotional, addictive behavior. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best relationship of my life. Really? We've been together for a couple of years now. And, man, it is like, I mean, it is the single thing in life that makes me more happy than anything.

You know, like, relationships are so tough. And especially when they tip to acrimony, What does acrimony mean? Just like when it's a negative state, you know, when there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to correct and the inability to resolve conflict, when there's a negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this low level where it's always unsettled, there's just nothing worse. I mean, that's true in business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds. And like what I have now is just so good. Let's go.

Yeah, yeah. So I feel you. And without it, it, I mean, it's tough to be alone. You know, it's tough to be like trying to date, build relationships and not work out and go to the next one. It's tiring to like repeat that again and again. Yeah. Yeah, I think that is, that's definitely true. And then it's like you start to compartmentalize things.

Okay, well, I'll just go on a date here. I'll just, you know, have this part of my relationship or intimacy here. And it's like, you know, and that's not. that's not the healthiest way to operate either. But congratulations. Yeah, they just show your lady right there. Yeah, it's Kate Tolo. Oh, beautiful lady, man.

Congratulations. You guys are we smiling in that picture, too. Oh, man, we have so much fun together. I mean, we, it's like, I'd get teary to see what talking about it. We laugh and play. It's just so good. Yes, she really does something for you, huh? She does, man.

Like, you know, like, I was, I wrote this up online. I was thinking, I'm a big fan. of Ernest Shackleton. And he was just a... The explorer? Yeah, exactly. So he did the trans-Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pole, you know, shore to the first time.

So from top to bottom? Just down to the south pole from like one side to the other side. Okay, just at the south pole. Yeah. So they got the ship all prepared. They got all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice before they even get there, early winter. and then the entire book

is about this insane survival story. Like what they went through and not a single man in his crew died. But when you read what he went through, it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these kinds of things. And I know this is like, it's too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some

similarities. I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like to not have deep companionship of my life? Where I've had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up being bad. And then having something that is good, it felt like, I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like, putting their feet on land after being a drift in the ocean for, you know, I don't know the total duration of times, maybe a year, but just like stable, sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like,

what's happening today? What do I have to deal with? Is my life at risk? Like, just all the emotional whiplash you get and like challenging certainly. And when you're by yourself, it's also harder to self-regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's nice when someone else is there. Like, kind of be like a... Oh, get a hug. Yeah, 100%. Oh.

That's so true. The other day, I saw my friend in L.A. And I got a hug. And she just kind of gave me like a... She gave me a nice hug. And then I was like, I'm going to stay in this hug. Let me get another. Yeah, totally.

You could just, yep, burrow in there. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, yeah. So, like, was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger? She, you know what? She surprised me because... But, yeah, she got to, she got to a good hug on.

that's for sure. Some people are just like gifted huggers. Right? They just know how to like bring it in and like somehow the arms and the chest and like the whole thing just fits like a puzzle piece. Yeah. Like even like a lot of times, yeah, we talked about before like a grandmother will hug you so well.

Yeah. Sometimes yeah. I've like I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do the one arm hug. I hug a lot though. I hug a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard. People like. Yeah.

What's going on man? Yeah. I don't have you supposed to hug this person. But open. of a hug bank. You know what they should do? Yeah. Those places where they had pay phones before, they should have somebody stand there, put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug, you know?

It's like one of the most underappreciated things. Yes, relaunched the hug. I think they got up. Well, I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for coming in, man. Thanks to meet you, bro. Yeah, it's good to see you. It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe what I seem like you. I thought you would seem a little bit more like a robot.

You know, I get that so much. I mean, I've had several people think, you know, approach me like, are you AI? You know, like really believing that's the case. So I think I am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas. So I think people are just confused by me generally. So I understand that. Like, yeah, that was my thought.

But it, you seem way more normal than that. Like, just like a regular dude who's been like, you know, doing wild shit with his blood. You know, like, you seem to just more like a chill-ass kind. a Dracula type of vibe. What was your, what did you expect? I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest to have like more of a sense of, and this is just a wild generalization and this is probably not the best word, but more of like an autism to them.

Yeah. And I don't, yeah, I didn't get that at all. I just got like a warm guy who seems like a lot more engaging than other people I've met who I've thought similar things about. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just hiding. It will manifest in a few minutes. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what I'll say that. But it starts to bubble up, dude. When your keeper, whoever's operating you on the app. That's right. Yeah. And the mask, I slowly start slipping and it's like, Oh yeah, like your database is showing, dude, or something. Yeah, exactly.

So just so our viewers know, and so many people know about you now, man, there's so many clips to you out there. You've kind of, you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet in a way, kind of. Because it's like, you know, you're kind of using yourself as an experiment. That's what it seems. You know, your life maxing. That's what people say. Can you just explain to us kind of what your general sort of goal is or what your motive has been? Yeah.

So I'd say here's an example for you. In 1870, the big talk of the town was there was this divide over this guy who had ideas that the reason why... Ideas? Yeah. The reason why people were getting sick and dying is because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you talking about? The other half was like, honestly, that could be legit. Now, like, they didn't have the ability to see these microscopic objects. But it turned out, it's true. These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection. So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery or when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind of example where a new idea showed up. It was seen as crazy. and eventually it turned out to be true. And now today we're like, oh, of course, like...

That happens every year. Every year, yeah, exactly. And so the idea I'm basically suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now, that sounds that shit crazy. Whereas in, we can live forever.

Not even forever, right? Because it's kind of a concept we understand. It's just that we might be able to extend our lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. imagine, for example, like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we don't even know that breaks our brains. So it's just not like a 70-year expectancy, right? It's something much longer. And it could be the case that as our lifespans are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer. We can't quite see the end horizon. So that's what I'm suggesting is

we are at that point with technology. We may be the first generations of humans who don't die. Now, if that's the case, everything changes. And so that's what I've been trying to do is to say, if that is the case, how does a human behave? What do they do? And so that's the whole, that's why it's so controversial is because you take status quo. And it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro, you might as well, right? Like, do all the stuff people do today. Right. Drink PBR or whatever. For it, you know, send it, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, knock up some woman or man now. I think you can even knock up. You're like, what's happening?

Yeah. But I see what you're saying. So like, if you, say if you got to the finish line and they're like, oh, you can't cross the finish line anymore. You're like, oh, if I didn't know that, I would have ran the race. Exactly. Right. So differently.

Exactly. Or back in 1990. I would have taken my time along the race. Instead, now I'm just standing there at the finish line, decrepit or like with, you know, just like aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And I would have done it differently. That's right.

So like right now, like you basically, if everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO. And so then your game is YOLO is like, okay, what am I willing to, well, I'm willing to trade life for what? And so, for example, the world I came from, entrepreneurship, the playbook is, you don't sleep, you don't take care of your health, you run yourself

ragged, you try very hard to make a whole bunch of money, but in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp. Yeah. Right? And then you end up, and you're like fat, you're like 40 years older than when you started. Your family's falling apart, you're a crisp or you don't have one. Exactly, but you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened to me. And so you basically

say, I'm willing to trade life for this money, because there's this idea of if you have money, then you get blank. And so you're making this explicit trade off. I'm willing to trade my conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die for something like that. Now, we all have like practical things. We need to pay our bills and stuff like that. But I'm trying to basically say we're a society that is built a society of die and I'm working on don't die as the new way of being human. So that's like the gist of it. But do you think it's easier to say that once you have some money and once you have like a, you know, you have a place where you're like, okay, you know, I know that I'm going to be okay.

Like it's like do you think you would have been able to switch that mindset before having, because then you had a company and you guys sold it for, you know, a great deal of money. And yeah. And that's, that's the American dream, you know. But do you think you would have been able to have that same mindset before? Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind, get this money, everything will be good. And it kind of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah, do you think you could have had it before or is it easier to have now? Yeah, I mean, there's two parts to this. One is I'm saying that like fast food companies, like McDonald's and Wendy's, they're evil. They use science to make food that addicts you

to their food. They're building addiction. For sure. Social media algorithms. They're building addiction. FAPE, porn, alcohol, smoking. Like, basically, as a society, we have a predator-prey relationship where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and technology possible and extract from them life for profit.

And so first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their life from them. And then two is, it's, I don't want to blame people because I know that's, I, that's, it's easy for me to say this once I've been on the other side. So one, I'm just trying to say like, hey, this is fucked up. Number two is I try to be a really positive role in people's lives to say like if you're ambitious and you do want to make a whole bunch of money, for example, here's a playbook, right? Like the idea that you're better off working 18 hours a day and sleeping four is just scientifically wrong. Ah, got it. Right.

So, like, if you're going to work really hard, make sure you get eight hours of sleep, make sure you do a little bit of exercise, eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself a favor if you're eating trash, right? Not sleeping well and not working out. Like, it makes sure it's just, like, for an engineer, it means like, nobody wants to write shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you are shitty code. So, like, don't be shitty code and try to build life.

And so those are two things. But I want to be very clear, like, I'm not blaming people. We just live in a fuck. I don't think it sounds like that. We live in a fucked up society. And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like, like, the system you're playing in is not a good one. And it's heavily stacked against people. Yeah.

Especially if there's a lot of things where it is addiction basis. Like, oh, well, they know. There's so much information now of how to get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like the moment of what you're looking at on your phone. Yeah. That it really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation. It's like it used to be that, you know, the man had to wake up and he was, he had to know where the predator was, the apex predators are.

And now the apex predators are, they're in our homes, they're in our hands. And it really is. It's still a, it's a battle. And that is a battle. It's like if you want to take it on.

And then some days and moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I don't really want to take that battle on. And that's kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the battle is there is pretty, at least makes it that all the cards are on the table.

Yeah. I saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right? Yeah, I did. Yeah. Take me through some of that. What was that like? Yeah.

So, first, I, I love social media. I think it's so much fun. We have great stuff on X. It's like, you can't even scroll through X without finding something that's great from Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information, too. Oh, here's the post. I did a 40 hour and then a 70 hour social media fast.

I've come to believe that social media is pollution. Yeah. So, first of all, you know, in watching your Netflix specials, like what I love about watching that is you can say anything, right? Like, the shit you talk about is so, is so unhinged. Like, literally, there's like no, maybe you've got material where you're like, probably shouldn't include that one, but like, I couldn't detect it. Oh, yeah. I like just saying shit. And so, like, that's what you're supposed to be able to do. Exactly. So, like, what I love about that is the elbow room you have, right? There's like, when you look at existence, you say, like, my, my goal is

entertain you, and I have all this open space. But then when people, don't have that. When you don't have comedy as the outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a very narrow box. They feel like they can only say certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished by the tribe, right? Like, for whatever reason. And so what I love about social media is it just has enabled me to create elbow room. Like, I posted nudes of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the plasma transfers. Like, we basically have done enough things. I did magic mushrooms on a live stream. Yeah, that's what really made me think, oh, I really want to talk to this guy now because he's going into other realms.

Yeah. And before we get into some of that, what were some of the findings from the social media fast, or do you think it was long enough to notice anything? It was, honestly, it was kind of life-changing. It was, I did one fast that was 40 hours long, and then I did a second fast, it was 70 hours long. And the science behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you basically have dopamine dysregulation, right? Like, you're in this addiction state. And you don't realize it, but it's actually creating all kinds of harm. Then you engage with social media to feel normal again. Now, once you pull out of it and you have that break, you kind of get, you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore. And then you get to feel it for what it is. So now what I

pull up the feed, it feels toxic. Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal or like I'm in a second hand, room of secondhand smoke or like it just feels so bad. And I guess that I pay attention to these feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing like hundreds of experiments to my body. Like what things make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die. So I have this intuition I've built. And now when I go into social media,

it literally feels like death. And so it's complicated, though, because I love social media. I love to post. I love to play. I love to interact. But also, when I get on, it's like, I'm like, nah, this is not good.

So honestly, it's complicated. I don't know what to do. Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh, get that away from me. You feel it, right? Yes, it's like, oh, that's not real. That's the most unnatural thing.

Like, what is that? It all, yeah, it feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done ayahuasca or been on ayahuasca and you're coming out and I see my phone or I'll get home and turn on the TV. I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me. That is something that's just resonating, like something dark. Yeah. Isn't that interesting?

Like in those moments when you feel sober, it's like you'd, you'd, do you can viscerally fill it. Yeah. But then once you get in there and you kind of play around for a while, you don't, you lose that sensitivity and you feel normal again.

But yeah, it's, I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been, so I posted this on social, I said, because a lot of people think that social media is like a vice

or like a, you know, a bad habit. But I reframed it and said, actually I think it's pollution. It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or,

uh, asbestos in the wall or like, you know, lead in the gasoline. I think it really is like a societal pollution. It accumulates in the body. It creates low-grade inflammation. And I've been sharing this.

So many people are like, I feel this. But they, the problem is you can't, like, telling someone to turn it off is like telling someone to not breathe coal smoke in London in the 19th century. Like, you just, like, you can't do it. Or like, you know, if there's water pollution, like the solution for water pollution in London in the 19th century was not to say don't drink water.

It was like to filter the water. So I think the solution here is like I propose this that if people could build AI to basically create a layer of protection between me and the internet that me and the social feed extract out all the performative metrics extract out all the garbage, all the slop

and they give me the goodness. But I want someone to like, it would be cool if someone could build social media into a longevity therapy versus like they actually have a cigarette. Oh, so you were saying like make it a long, slow fire that has like a mix of things.

Like, help me, when I engage with it, I wouldn't feel good. I want to feel like I've drank, like, you know, lemon water and ginger. Right, as opposed to, like, having a couple of Cokes. Yeah, oh, yeah. Like, you know, like, slam it a bunch of energy drinks and... Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five-hour energy drinking his sock.

Yeah, no, like, this is a thing, right? People pound, like, two to three to four a day, like, between, you know, 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine. And they're, like, on top of medaffinilla something, you know? So it's like... And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy drink before school. I'm like, what are you? Dude, your grades are bad.

Yeah, it's not even a performance. Yeah, what are you doing? What are you doing over there, dude? You think, yeah, you're just because you're reading the fucking crucible or whatever, I gotta get you another Celsius or something. Um, oh, it says, hey, hey, social media users visibly decline one and two points in attractiveness, I-7.

Oh yeah, I saw you said something that social media even can make us uglier. Yeah, it does. This is the post. Really? Yeah. Yeah, this is good science. Because, like, when you engage heavily in social media, you're basically, you're lower, you have higher depression, higher anxiety. You've got more inflammation. You sleep more poorly. So these are all things that when the body is in that condition, you just look worse.

So, yeah, so heavy social media users lose at least a point or two on the attracting the scale. Like, you may go from a seven to a five. So, yeah, it does legitimately affect appearance. Yeah. And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight. That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're an eight. Yeah, right.

And you're nice. You're like 8.5. Yeah. And you give a good hug. You're like nine. Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest is just the Lord.

And if your parents, if they were tens. Wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this is interesting because I do notice, like, first of all, I'll say to people, I notice this now. I'll say to people, hey, I'm going to go into my phone for a second, right? So it's almost like I'm telling you. It's almost like, yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette. It's like the same sort of thing. Yeah.

And then, Now it's gotten to me. Sometimes I'm just so sick of watching social. It's just like, I'll look at a few things and it's just like, oh, this isn't how this isn't doing anything anymore. That started the thing, too, is I don't even, this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it kind of queuing up what is next, it doesn't leave that as much of a whimsicalness about it.

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is making the algorithms. Like, because there's been kids who get affected and then they watch stuff and then they might consider self harm, right? Or people who you're curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others. And now you have a strong take about a group or about a person or anything. So it's like, shouldn't the creator of the algorithm? Like if I make something and I give it to you and I know it's bad and poisonous, you know, there should be, you should be somewhat accountable, it feels like. I know there's just now a court case, or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court? Yeah.

Yeah, in L.A. Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark trial. In his first time testifying about child safety in front of a jury, Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims that the social media app is designed to be harmful to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable.

If you do something that's not good for people, maybe they'll spend more time short term. But if they're not happy with it, they're not going to use it over time. I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people spend every month. This is why I was saying I wanted to reframe, because when people talk about social media, typically the blame is on the person.

The person spends too much time on social media, right? They need to be more disciplined. They need to set limits. And when you reframe this and you say, actually, social media is a political, It's like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or like when you reframe it that way, it's what you said is this is a pollutant driving society that it is making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, right, having all sorts of negative psychological and physiological implications. When you reframe it that way, it changes the blame from the individual to like, you can't reasonably expect people to want to be part of the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group. and then put them in a system like the,

it's like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but also lead is too. So it's like you can't, the solution is not to tell people get off the phone. You have to do some kind of filtering or something because it's poisonous right now. Yeah, I think it's a great way to say it, yeah, that it's a pollutant, right?

And people say, well, just get off your phone. But our society has gotten to the place where it is on our phone. We live in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's, yeah, if you have a neighbor next door who is a company that's just like blowing, like, you know, those smoke stacks

that they never had any governors on and they were just pouring horrible smoke into the air. Those were held liable, so it makes sense that these would be too. The case filed in Los Angeles Superior Court involves over 1,600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts, suing meta, YouTube,

which is TikTok and Snap. KGM claims features like infinite scrolling, notifications and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Some of the key moments, Zuckerberg,

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and well-being, saying, you don't really build social media apps unless you care about people being able to express themselves. I don't know if that's true anymore, you know? The unit feels like is in physics, there's this idea, like a phase transition. So when water is at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. When it's 101, it's a vapor. So just a very small change.

It's not gradual. It just snaps. That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social media is heading towards a phase transition, where there's Like all this built up, all these built up problems that are over, like, about to go from 99C to 101C, and it just snaps. And society is like, we can't. Right. We can't do it anymore.

Like, it's too much. Like, we're all fucking broken from this thing. Right. It's got to stop. And like, I don't think these things are cool because they don't happen gradually. It's just suddenly overnight. Yeah. So I would love that.

If, like, somehow there was a snap and we could all get back our sanity. Right. Like with UG boots. Like when people were like. oh, these are great, and Tom Brady was wearing them. Then one day people were like... Done. Yeah.

The shit's weird. People will be so relieved to not feel like... Because right now... Oh, dude, if they come out with a rule right now and said on your phones won't even work on Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale. Oh, 100%. That's also true like on like grind culture where the expectation is you have to work 20 hours a day.

Get up and fucking grunt, Ron. It's like in this expectation... Take your eyes over. I know. Keep looking at invoices. It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species. It's like we're losing our shit and like it's it's right there in front of us. And it's all these

expectations and if it would be, it would be amazing. I love that. Like the phones don't work. It's like, goddamn, let's let's go celebrate. I think and I think people would. They don't even work good. Fuck them. I think one day if people take over a business or like people like storm the capital, dude,

storm T-Mobile, storm these towers and just bring them down. free us from what this, it's digital chains where we're locked, you know. You know, when people, when people are not with the tribe, they experience it as physical death. Because we are evolved to live in a group of 150 people or less to be seen by the tribe. And when you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media, you're not seen by the tribe. So it feels literally like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't be on your phone.

Because your body's like, am I dead to the tribe? Right. Do I even exist? Yeah, you feel like that. If I take a couple months off, when people know,

do I exist? What's even going on? So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like, hey guys, I exist. Remember me? Like, go me over here.

Like, remember? I'm part of the tribe. So it's such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that no one wants to play. I mean, like, it is fun. Like, there's value to it.

There's good information. Like, I don't want to say there's not virtues to it. But the way it's structured now, it's just, like a loss for society overall. Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro,

sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about you or not. Yeah. Bro. And here's the thing. Now you can just find out immediately she's liking some of the dude. You see that she's already married or whatever. But back in the day, you couldn't do that. So you just had, and you thought that she did.

So you were like hopeful and excited. And you would just take care of yourself until the next time you saw her. But now you'll just go see something like, oh, she's at. with Rick or whatever. So I'm now I'm depressed. Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even going to get out of bed. You know, I think um just those things. And then the also like the negative effects of just like if you communicate with all types of people all day at then when you finally see like your spouse or your partner at the end of the day, you're kind of burnt out sometimes, you know, you're burnt out because you've had all this odd connection. That's not real connection.

Yeah. But it's it's a some artificial connection. It's like if you've, if you've, been eating Fritos all day. And then you get to dinner, you're like, oh. Yeah, yeah. This looks so good, but I'll, I'm just, I can't even have any right now. I'm already full of shit. So we, with this project, we have been. So basically, my project don't die.

Oh, your project don't die. Yeah. So like, basically, like the idea is that if we are the first generation who won't die, then the goal is like identify things that make you die and then don't do those things. So I try to eliminate them. So what you're talking about at the end of the day, when you're like, I don't know what it is,

but I just feel like shit. Right. So it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things that make you die. For example, did you know this

that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's, you have the smell that you, right, when you walk in, that is like secondhand smoke.

It's the aerosolized oils. Yeah. So like... That's Ronald McDonald's Cologne, maybe, Fuck, wow. Because he's got that play place in the back. Oh my God.

That is, that is dystopics. Holy shit. I didn't think about that. It is, huh? So, like, that is one example. So we track 250 things in our society that make me die. And so when you go about your day. With this project, don't die.

Exactly. So you guys track 250 things that make you die. Yeah. So basically, when I started doing this, we said, okay, like, are we the first generation who won't die? Okay, let's take that as a premise. So then I hired a team of doctors. and we got to work. And so we went through all the scientific evidence.

We said, like, what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things that make you die? And then I measured every organ of my body that I could. Like, we would go through and say, what is the age? So I was 42 years old when we started. So I said, like, what is the biological age of my heart? Because your biological age can be different than your chronological age. Okay. So, for example, like, my ear, my left ear is age 64.

Because I shot a lot of guns as a kid. listen to loud music. So it's impaired. So we measured all my organs and said, like, here's my baseline. And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurement. And so I became those measured person in human history.

There's more data on my body than any humans ever lived. Wow. And so in doing that, we just found out, like, what kills the body? You know, like, do microplastics harm the body? If so, how?

You know, do, just going into fast food, like aerosolized, does that? Like, social media. And so it really resonates when you say you go home, you don't know why you feel like shit, but after doing this for years, I know why. It's like the stacking of all these things that society has done to make a profit

and then it's just like you're the collateral damage. But we've built a society of die. And that's what sucks about it. So I never want to approach it to say like, hey, you individual, like you get off your phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the system's broken. Right. And that's what's cool.

about this moment is if we do see this moment is like this is like 1870 bacteria is present do we believe this crazy idea or not like this could be like it would change everything so so like we transform ourselves as a society i love that idea because yeah when you put it like that it gives you more of a hope it gives it more of like a um this uh universal type of thing that's going on and i feel that i feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now like is this good for me why did i believe all these companies. Why did I believe that the government and the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out for me? It's obvious now from so many trials and corporate interests that they weren't. You know, there's all these, there's all these things that that none of that was happening.

And so now it's back on us and what do we really want, right? Because we'd put the faith, I think a lot of people would put the faith in the hands of their government. And not entirely, but you would just assume that, yeah, the food they're letting come into us into our lives where we pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this, that it's going to be okay for us. And then I think it's at the point now where people, that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go from here?

Are those powers going to try to, like, imprison us into this space, which also feels like it's going to, they're trying to. Because you have companies like Bear and Monsanto that are lobbying, you know, like trying to keep all these things in our food and make sure that people can't sue if they do get sick, or is it going to be that there's some sort of a revolution? Yep. So I saw you just asked Trevor to pour your coffee into, and that was out of a paper cup into a, yeah.

Stain to steel, yeah. Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one thing a lot of people were thinking of what's, you know. So there's a lot of, there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics. Yeah. You know, like they're everywhere. There are clothes.

There are food. So we did this project where we said. okay, can we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood, and we measured microplastics in my semen. Okay. And so two distinct biological systems,

and we wanted to look at semen because fertility is really important. And we wanted to say, because there was a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males, of tested men, have microplastics in their balls. and their semen. And so we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden

in my body, in my blood, and all my semen? And so we did a few things. Like one is cups they use for, you know, hot coffee, they leach microplastics. The heat causes the leaching of microplastics. So when you're drinking that coffee, you're consuming microplastics.

And so we did that plus a whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen. And so that was a big win for us because no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that you can look at both those things and look at the remediation. And the second thing we saw is we think that part of the reduction was from the things we did like removing plastic cups, plastic cutting boards, like trying to remove plastic from

the house, then also dry sauna. We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So it's kind of the example of where if you hear a headline of like toxin, like microplastic is scary, we try to lay out a clear path of like you can do these things to reduce your exposure and to bring your levels down. So we do that systematically over like a whole bunch of things. But yeah, that's why I basically try to avoid any material that would be warmed and leach microplastics, whereas stay in the steel, you don't have that leaching problem. Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and stuff like that? Are there

microplastics in there? I hear recently that there's microplastics in our air friars and stuff like that. Is that stuff true or is that just a sales pitch for them to get you to get a new air friar? Yeah. I mean, if you're air friar, I was looking at an air friar recently. I think a lot of them are made with plastic. And so you're heating these materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have off-gassing of microplastics. So I know this is the thing. It's like once you start Once you realize that plastic is a target, you realize, you come to learn, it's in everything. Not like everywhere you look. So even now, like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic, I will still, like,

here's an example. I was doing sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics. I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself toxins. and I'm using it on my body. Right? With the polyester, right? I'm like wiping my body with toxins.

So, like, you know, like, that was an idiotic mistake. But, like, an example, like, we're always, we're just finding this forever. So we got rid of all the, I thought that was a cotton towel that wasn't, but we got rid of that. But it's just forever. It's amazing how omnipresent they are. Yeah, I've actually been working with this company American Giant that they make, um, they've tried to use just American cotton and make their products just in America. I mean, just a top to bottom America only company that makes textiles or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.

I remember their journey was how do we even get a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible just because we don't have the looms or so many things we don't have. But we've been working on a cotton, like a cotton-only underwear that would be just so it's only cotton, right? So you're not dealing with anything else. That's awesome. What fabrics have you found that are okay to? kind of keep on your body that do not have

microplastics in which ones are the ones that people need to be weary of? Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean, one is on the cotton stuff is we were, we've, everything I put into my body,

we test, like all the food I eat. So we were testing clothing, and actually we tested a diaper, a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs the urine for the baby, we tested that.

And it was like eight times as high in glyphosate. So cotton unexpectedly. That's what's in the pesticides. Exactly. So cotton is better than like a polyester. But cotton is also not like, it's not just pure, right? So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton.

Like how fast is it come out? We don't know. But this is like, I, this is like dangerous. Because I think a lot of people listening are kind of like, oh my God, I give up. Like, what do I do? Right. But like I want to give you hope that you just slowly. pull back one layer after another, after another, like, chip away. It's okay. Like, we'll get

after, we'll get on top of this. But just like, you just know that there's always these layers. So, yeah, so we tested that. So that's in the diaper. Now, there's no evidence that glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No one's tested it. So maybe it is. But if it is, that's terrible. We're bathing our children, you know, we're bathing their private parts in pesticides in these diapers. And so, like, this is the kind of thing where I'm saying, like, once you start chasing these paths. You just find out society has built itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And that's what you see everywhere. And so back to this conversation, the point you made before, like this idea of care. Like, think of, okay, here's a question for you.

Who in your life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like, without a doubt, they act in your best interest. Probably my brother. like you can probably count on one hand, right? Yeah. Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of it may be like, it's not good, but a whole bunch of other. The wrapper behind it may be like they want something from you. And so there's this idea of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company I'm building around this is can we legitimately, unquestionably, always.

act in our customer's best interest. Even if it means we lose money, we always show up for you. Because that's really like what I've been trying to do in this whole process, but it just shows that as a society, we don't have care as a principle as our society.

Like you're not expected actually acting someone's best interest. You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit. Well, sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way. And I don't know if that's true or not. But the fact that we're at that place now, I think is important.

We did this thing this year around the holidays where we've tried to find 10 American companies that were like American-made products and then show those off, like highlight those. It was me and Mike Rowe. And it was just so if you want to buy something that's American, you can get it.

This is something that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American. So it's like screw these big company. Like if I buy from you and you buy from me, then we keep each other alive. We're, we're, it only, you know, so we're trying to start to create this, this space where you can do that, where it's like, if I want to buy something, I'd rather, instead of going to look at like these things that are in the same shelves in every single place, why don't I go find this unique thing that's only made by one of my fellow human beings, you know? That's a cool idea. It's one of the things that's kind of made me most excited recently, like in the world.

And we're trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know, some company to come along and be like, Well, these are the sites, you know, people are going to need these sites to build their products. Yeah. Because then it's like, like, we even had a woman who sells, like, these really, like, great little characters and, and kind of ornaments and stuff. So we had some artists and creatives in there. But it was great. And a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh, people want this, right?

People want to go down the road where there is, like, some accountability for themselves. And they want to be in a way where they can, where they, the purchase, where they're putting, their money, it feels like I'm giving this to someone else who I know probably needs it just as much as I do. You know, they're just a regular person. They're not a big entity, you know. So I think, anyway, I'm saying I think there's somewhat of a people do care or we to get people to care where they're spending. Yeah. You know, that's kind of stuff is very important. What are your thoughts on RFK Jr's, his eat real food initiative. Have you seen that? Yeah, I have, yeah. Tyson being this spokesperson. What's that? Yeah, Mike Tyson was the, was

spokesperson. He was in the Super Bowl ad. Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah, yeah. Because he came one of here and he talked about it. He just said, eat real food, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, I think, so RFK's a friend. Yeah, same. Yeah, he's getting after it.

You know, like, in any situation, people are going to have various opinions, fine. But, like, he's really trying his best. I agree. I respect that he's pulling up. And, you know, he's made some great, he has some great wins, getting rid of food dies. And so, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, grateful for him doing it. And it was cool. You know, like, Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in my consciousness more than any public figure. When I was, when I was seven years old, he had peaked. I think he was 21. He just won the belt. And he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated like every week. Yeah, that's right. I would cut those out and I had it on my wall. But Mike Tyson was my idol. Like, and I actually, this is like a terrible story. I loved him so much. And I, I,

I saved up all, I worked all summer long, mowing lawns and like doing all this whole bunch of shit. I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view. It was like $44.95. I called my friends over. I'm going to treat them to this amazing experience. And he was fighting Buster Douglas, his first big loss. And oh my God, that was, that was like soul-wrenching. Because I wanted to see Tyson like, you know, knocked out of the park.

I'd never seen him fight live. And you couldn't just like pull them up on clips on YouTube to YouTube. you know, harder to see. But anyway, like tangent there, but as cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's like in my world talking about real food and how it's important. So I think he's got, he's had a cool life arc. He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him coming up soon, actually. In LA, actually. So if I do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that you get to come over there. Would love to. I would love to meet him. That'd be super, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were sucked.

like, I don't know if, like, they were such gods. They held that status, right? In the 80s, they were it. Like, you had, like, basketball, you had the bulls, you've got the bears, you know, Bo Jackson, like, they were it. Yeah, 100%. What do you think the government's role should be in our health and diet? I guess like two things.

One is there are a lot of things I want to do that I can't do because the government prevents me from doing it. So I can go out and smoke, I can eat fast food, I can eat all the junk food out there, but I can't try a new longevity drug. Companies are forbidden from allowing me through that. So like in many ways, I dislike, they give me the freedom to kill myself. but I don't have the right to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more experimental experimental power that I could do that. Have there been certain drugs and stuff that you wanted to go try? A lot of them.

Really? Yeah, yeah. What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles your Benjamin butt? Yeah, that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of, there's like probably a dozen. And like the thing I want to do is I want to accept the responsibility of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I mess up, it's on me. Yeah.

Like, I'll take that responsibility. But I do, I don't want them to say, like, only after, because in it, it creates this gigantic, but now, it makes sense. Companies go through, like, a structured process, and they say, it's gone through this process. We give it a stamp of approval. It's like, it's a good idea, like, on large-scale vaccines. Like, you don't want to ship a shitty vaccine to society.

Totally get it. Also, right, on like, n-equals 1, like me, scale, I want to do things without their limiting my ability to do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there needs to be some structure in place where as a member of the society, I can say I trust some entity to ensure what I'm doing is safe because we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right? Like there needs to be like some middleman. Yeah, like that's the idea. But now the middleman it feels like can't be trusted. Exactly. So like what if we just like take this in a wholesale, what we're going back to is care, right? Like, do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately looking after

my best interest or not? This is why I'm saying when you go back to like who legitimately is looking after your best interest, it's not like one hand, it's your brother. And so what if we established as a society the principle of care? And now that's hard because you have to do things that are not in your best financial interest. You've got to do things like don't look good. So like it really puts a different mentality, but also man would have to be kick ass to live in that society. where, like, you know, if you're going to tell me to take a drug, like, you're not hiding shit, like, you're not, like, you know, so that'd be cool. Oh, yeah.

It'd be so nice. Because imagine also the stress that it adds to all of us. Yeah. You know, it's so stressful now. It's like, you go eat a hot cake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing going to kill me? Not today. Yeah. But is there something in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years from now, you know,

to create some new disease in me that then I'll need some new type of medicine, you know, it's just kind of, yeah, it's a lot of turmoil. What is your kind of daily dietary strategy? Where do you stand with your diet? Yeah. And then we'll talk about like supplements that you like. Cool. Yeah, the principle here is that I am a collection of around 70 trillion cells.

Like Brian Johnson is 70 trillion cells. Half, like over half of those cells are alien cells. And not even me, there's bacteria. So I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells. That makes the Ovan.

Okay. And half of those. cells are not... They're not you. They're not natural-born citizens. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're immigrants. Yeah, so like, there are bacteria and others that are hanging out in your ecosystem.

And so the question is, like, you know, when it comes to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So you're taking one set of molecules and you put them in your molecules and you say, like, what happens? And so we know, for example, when you take fast food, those molecules put in your body, it does bad stuff. And so with diet, we basically just say, if you have to create a list of the very best molecules in existence that help the body thrive, what are those molecules? So every calorie has a five-per-st-life. And so that's the first principle.

And then two is I don't subscribe to any camp. Like I'm not carnivore. I'm not vegan. I'm not vegetarian. I'm not paleo. I'm not keto. I don't care. I just want to look at the evidence and say, you take a given thing, you put it in the body, what happens? And so my diet primarily consists of a whole bunch of vegetables, I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive oil. That's primarily what I eat. And so I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to become the most don't-die person in the world. But if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat. You know, like do your thing.

If you enjoy eggs, do eggs. Just measure your body. Like measure your body and see if you're happy or not. If the body is, so there's what your mind can say. Like, oh, I love blank. But measuring your body is a different thing. Your body is going to tell, is going to speak the truth, not your mind. So basically, like, you want to measure out, your body report out, how's inflammation, how's cholesterol, like, how's all the different markers?

And when it comes to meat and things like that, are there just, you don't like them or you feel like they don't work for your body? Was there something that you found that you're like, this isn't the best for me? So it's actually, I mean, one is, I think there's two points. One is, I think you can make an evidence-based argument that a diet that primarily consists of vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds, extra virgin olive, oil, legumes, is one of the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but like a good one. And then on the red meat, there's not a ton of evidence that a lot of ton of longevity evidence that says this thing is a longevity producer now. But I pull myself out of the argument because I don't care about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I don't care about the disagreement.

if somebody wants to eat red meat, I support you in eating red meat. Like, I'm not going to go after red meat. Like, I'm not that person. So just like, do your... Yeah, I'll pat you on the back while you have a little, you know... Yeah, yeah.

While you have some burn-ins or whatever. Yeah, man, do it. Like, do your thing and just measure your body. So I tried to do that, and I try to then share my body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like. Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out, here you go.

But, like, a lot of... So, like, a couple things. One is, I love extra virgin olive oil. I think it's one of the... the best foods you can put into your body. Is that a seed oil or not? No. Okay.

Yeah, there's like this whole seed oils are bad for you. I don't buy it. You don't? No, I think it's fried. It's high temp seed oils. But, you know, like cold press seed oils, you know, like they're fine. So like that whole thing, I think got away. Oh, so you think the seed oil thing is kind of out there?

Yeah, yeah. It's, you don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous. But cold press seed oils, the evidence says they're fine. But again, like, if somebody wants to do it, great. Like, you know, if staying or take it, just measure yourself and try to find the markers. Right. Check in with yourself.

Have some sort of like, okay, how do I really feel after having this? Yeah. And how does your body report out? Not your mind, not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw. Look at your markers and say, is the body happy or sad? Right.

Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time. Over time. Yeah, because those, like, your body reflects your body. your diets over a period of time. Yeah. Yeah. But like the easy ones, like just avoid, there we go. Yeah, this was just saying cooking oils.

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Oh, this is actually using it for cooking. Yeah, what does well at higher heats? So this is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some of these may provide less health benefit for you. Yeah, but on this, though, like this graph, I want to see the toxic compounds that are formed. Otherwise, like, I don't know how to read this graph. Right.

Right. And they'll show stuff like this. I mean, even entrap me. It just may, you know, they use the red yellow. yellow green. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of small strategies that can kind of like, just confuse you.

I want to see what temperature, what are the toxic compounds I'm evaluating, when do they form, like, you know, et cetera. So that, that would be a much more qualified approach where I'd say,

all right, now I feel like I have a good basis for decision making versus like, this is easy to read online. You see red, green, yellow. It's like, okay, good,

bad, because anything more than good, bad, it kind of, it gets overwhelming for people. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

you say extra virgin olive oil, that sort of, to your go-to. Yeah. Based upon the evidence my team and I have reviewed, this is what I would suggest if people want

quick takeaways. One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than any food in my diet. It's 15% of my daily caloric intake. But it's, we source it ourselves,

we test it in the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol has the right acids, right constitution. So it's a specific kind of olive oil. It's not, because most olive oil is bullshit.

Like most of it does nothing and mostly a lot of, yeah. So you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure it has a third-party lab test result. Now, that's, that's a lot. But is there a brand that you tell us? I mean, I know, or do you have this yourself that we can buy? Do you have your own? I do it myself. Because like, going back to that discussion of care and trust, after you're playing this game for five years, I don't trust anybody. Yeah. No one. Like, I don't care what they say in marketing. I don't care. I just don't trust anyone. That's how I am. So like, yeah, I want to source it from the farm myself. I want to test it in the third party lab. So I just basically,

I did this my whole self. And then my friends were like, I want this too. And I'm like, sure. Yeah, I was about to ask you for something. And this is, but this is one you guys have. It's called snake oil. Yeah, we, like, it's kind of a troll. Yeah. But yeah, it's basically we source from both hemispheres, southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere. We always have a fresh batch. We do third party testing. It's high polyphenols. So all of it. And also like, I do a tablespoon with every meal because when you eat food, it causes damage to your body. Like, a lot of people don't know that. I think, like, food is like a good thing, which it is. But also, there's damage associated. So olive oil lessens that damage, like lessens some of the oxidative damage. So that's olive

oils, one. Two is I eat a lot of legumes, like lentils, edamomames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I steam them. So when you, when you char something, whether it be charing vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called AGEs. AGEES? Yeah, advanced glycated end products, which is basically just thinking of it like junk that builds up in your body. You don't want it.

So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs. And then I eat a lot of nuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, walnuts. I like walnuts. Yeah, right. Those are like the, those are good ones. Like, I don't eat cashews or peanuts. Those are like the less valuable ones.

Those are drunkards nuts. They aren't they? It's funny. Like, oh, you're drunk here. Yeah. Then I do a lot of... And cashew just looks like it's fucking... It looks like it doesn't even know what's doing.

If you look at a cashew, bring up a cashew. It looks kind of bisexual a little. Which is fine. Yeah. But I'm just saying it looks like it'll sleep over at anybody's house. To me. Yeah, I think it's a good interpretation. I've never heard someone riff on a cashew's appearance,

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Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com slash Theo. That's better-h-E-L-P-com slash Theo. Yeah, I had a couple thoughts. You know, like, Theo, I wish I could say, I wish I could talk about shit like you do. Like I have several thoughts I just had I'd like to express some but I don't You know like I still play within a certain box

Of like what I can and cannot say but And is if do you think it's some of that's for like business purposes Or you just think it's just like a social way that you learned I mean it's like they As um as weird as I am And as much elbow room as I've created in doing crazy shit There's still some things that I would say That would alienate certain people

And so I do have some some parameters And so, but I, you know, if I wasn't doing this, honestly, I'd do stand-up comedy. Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It'd be like, bro, that's cool. Oh, man, it would be, it would be so much fun. Because, you basically, you're trying to put your finger on the thing.

Yeah. And that's what I try to do my life. But, you like, and so when people, their response, of course, is like how good you are putting your finger on the thing. They already know. Right. But you're willing to say it, and you can string it together. So, yeah. But you're kind of doing that.

You're kind of like a, I mean, it's just not stand-up comedy, but you're just doing it for our health, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I would way rather you're this guy out there who's like just, who's basically riding around being his own voodoo doll and shit than have you out there like trying jokes, which you may have been very successful out as well. But I'm glad you're doing what you are.

Maybe, you know, maybe it'll be a side thing or next life. But also some people might not even take you as seriously. You know, one night I watched John Mayer, he got up into stand-up comedy. And he's like, man, I love stand-up comedy. I would have loved to have been a stand-up comedian. And he goes, but now I'm so known for being what I am that I can't even be this. Because it just people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same walkway into their lives as they would knowing I'm already John Mayer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I would love to take down on that challenge. And, man, I would love to. You could have so many great jokes. I want to make fun of myself. Like, I'm so weird, right? Yeah, dude, of course you are, dude. You probably might not even have any blood in your body, dude.

You could go to a blood draw, and they just keep drawing and drawing that is sitting there. Nurses are coming out, like, we don't know, you know? I mean, oh, dude, I bet if you, have you ever been on Kill Tony? Have you been on that show? No. Oh, bro. If you, I wonder if we, maybe next time I go on there, you and me could go. He's this, have you ever seen it?

No. It's this, it's like the Tonight Show now, but they do it at that in Austin, and it's, uh, And, dude, I bet people would write some jokes. Bro, it'd be so great. Let's do it. I would love to. This is it. It's so much fun, bro.

Every week they have it. You would be the best on there, dude. I went to a couple Roast Me shows, and it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoy people making fun of me. It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does, I used to do a lot of those.

I know he's one of the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great at it, too. that's his show, Kill Tony. Okay, were there other things you were going to tell us about? So some other health stuff, you said that your own, and you also have a, and I'm not pushing your products here, but I was given a gift of one of your products, and I haven't taken it before, and it's a blueprint protein powder? Yeah.

Is it a protein powder? Is it a daily powder? What is it? Yeah, protein. Okay, it's a protein powder. And a lot of times you hear that supplements and stuff like that, a lot of that stuff just comes out in your urine. And what makes this thing any different or is it any different?

Yeah. So the problem I was trying to solve is I need to eat every day somehow. Yeah. And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain amount of fat. And so when I go out in the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it? Who do I trust? No one. Okay, so I got to manufacture this.

So basically, like, we put together, I eat everything my company makes because I trust it. I, like, you know, I worked as a, in high school, I worked at a restaurant. I was, and I saw the back kitchen operations. And I was like, damn, I'm never eating at this restaurant ever again, right? Would you see it? It's horrifying. Yeah, well, it's crazy when you think you're at a restaurant that you think that the people in the back are doing their best. You know, exactly.

Because a lot of times you're like, you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant. So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back. Yeah, and like the whole idea of like, so that's like, competent things going on behind the scenes that, like, you can trust? Like, nah, not. Like, some breaks it. So, yeah, it's like, Blueprint, I see exactly what it happens. That's what I want to eat.

So, yeah, protein, I basically need, like, 130 grams a day. And so I have to get it from somewhere. So, yeah, we, same thing. If we source it, we third-party test it. You know, we look at all the nutrients and the chemicals and the toxins. So, yeah, so the protein is one of the things we've built. And so... And what kind of protein powder do you recommend?

I take a plant protein right now. That's kind of what I feel like works best with my... my system. Yeah. But, um, is there a type of, because you hear different ones and new ones pop out and then there's like the one you're supposed to take at night.

Like, what has your experience been like with protein powders? We've been using pee and hemp. Um, we started using pumpkin and, um, oh, pumpkin got something.

Well, yeah. So there's, there's, it should be obvious pumpkin has muscles, dude. Yeah, exactly.

You look at a fucking pumpkin. You're fucking flexing in the field, right? You see, you're always like that. Who's the, who's just defined? Yeah. Yeah.

So like we... God. Yes, we did that. But, you know, like... P doesn't mix very well, though. Yeah, that's why. So that's why we do the hemp combo. Okay. And it helps it?

It makes it fluffy and nice. Because pee, sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something, and you can't even drink it because it's not, the solution isn't liquid enough. Yeah. So we do that. But people, there's like this online thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in heavy metals, right? Because there's, you can test it.

The issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion is so fucked up because we test all my... foods, you can go to the store and get a carrot and test that for heavy metals, it's high in heavy metals. And so the only reason why it's been sensational around plant-based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you can easily measure. But it's harder to measure fresh food. People don't do the work.

So, like, we've learned toxins are everywhere in all foods. And so, for example, I'll give you one where I was eating these lentils, and the test came back high. And so we're like, why are lentils high and heavy metals? like what's going on there. So we got a hold of the company and we're like, what's your manufacturing process?

They said, actually we use human sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking... Like duty or whatever? Yeah. They're taking human shit

because it's like a... Who's selling it? Yes. So they're using human shit to fertilize and human shit has heavy metals in it so then recycles back

into the food. And so we've been this this is why I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we want to source our food, we want to test it. I want to know what I'm putting in my body. And so we just, I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm

so jaded now. So the lentils, they were using human shit on their crops and it was getting into the lentils somewhat. That's why. Because otherwise, if you think about it, you're like, what foods naturally have high levels of blank? Or like, cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like, it has a lot

high levels of cadmium naturally. But then people test that, like, here are the brand rankings, but then glyphosate can also be present. And so, we found that the brand had the lowest levels of cabmium had the highest levels of glyphylaseate by like 10x. They had an oat filler. So it was in the oats.

And so this is the thing is like you, once you actually take a topic and you actually slice it up to capture the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right. Like when the things that gain trendy popularity, it's almost always wrong. And when you say that some of it almost is negligible then, because at a certain point, just overall,

we are in a very tough spot with what is in our foods no matter what. 100%. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, it is, I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this conversation. I want to, like, make sure we close. I want to get, like, a few tips where people can regain control their life. Okay. Because I don't want to terrify.

I know it's terrifying. Well, one of the things that I even, I think you've already done is that's why you're saying, like, okay, you may have this diet. Yeah. If you have an olive olive oil that you take when you're eating, that it will lessen the effects of your diet on your system at the time. And those are the types of things that are kind of important. It's like, okay, well, I know that even if some stuff I know is going to be not great for me,

how do I at least just mitigate what's going on while our science hopefully gets, you know, uncompromised, while our food system hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into a better place. But you were saying there are some things you want them to take away. Yeah, okay, cool. So here's like, in short, this list of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious. So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be aware of. But if you focus on these things, so one is I've learned out of all the things I've measured. I literally have like billions of data points on my body over the past five years.

If you distill that and say how many are useful signal, probably a few hundred million. But it's the largest dataset in human history. the thing I care about the most is what is my heart rate before bed. It is like the most useful biomarker and it's so easy because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you can just pull up your phone, see what your mark, so you go, you lay it on your bed, take a few deep breaths, and you calm yourself down, and then you see a number. Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60. Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate. So you say you start off at 60 in a month from now be at 55. And so the way you do you do it, you do it. You say you start off at 60. And so the way you

that. One is you have your final meal the day four hours before bed. Yeah, I know, I know, I hear you. And no snacks? No, no food. So if your bedtime's at 10 at 6 p.m., you're done. There we go. That's a great chart. Got it. So these are the things. So when you increase your heart right before bed, it wrecks your sleep. Yes. When you don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff. So the next morning when you're trying to decide do you eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not, if you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely to eat the donut or the croissant. Wow. If you slept well, you have a little juice in the system. You're like, you know what? No, it's not good for me. And I'm going to exercise, which then

also increases your willpower. So you get in this really positive loop. So it all starts with sleep and sleep is determined by your heart rate. So, for example, like, So four hours before bed, that is going to lower. So when you have that distance, it allows your body to digest the food. It allows your body to say, I'm going to get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature, lowers cortisol, increases melatonin. So your body's in a much better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep. The second thing is your phone needs to be off an hour before bed.

You can't be in bed, scrolling, working, texting. You need the separation because your body, the phone in hand, is going to be. to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation, you'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour of separation instead of the phone, go for a walk,

talk to a friend, hang out, like breathwork, meditation, read a book, like anything about being on your phone that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things. Like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to bed at 8.30,

at 7.30 p.m. Evening or sleep Brian comes on duty. And sleep Brian is a version of me that defends my sleep. And so all the Brian's line up. So Ambitious Brian lines up. He's always the first one. He was to work.

And he's like, I got a fucking bang your idea, right? A brand new thing we're going to do. And Sleep Brian says, we see you ambitious Brian. Like, you're doing a good job in life. Keep out of man. Also, we're getting ready for bed. So we're going to write down your idea. And then tomorrow we'll come back to it.

And Ambitious Brian's like, are you sure? And Sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah, we got you. So then he walks away, the way, that anxious Brian shows up. And he's like, yo, today when you're with Theo, you said that thing and you were a jackass to him, right? It's like, thank you, anxious Brian.

Great self-awareness. Appreciate you. We're going to write that down. We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow. Make sure we're all good. And they're like, all the Brian's line up. And so you know this.

And even get, Brian ever show up. He's like, hey, let's stay up. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, this Brian is freaking, leave me alone, Brian.

Yeah. So you'll see this. Like, whether you do this or something else, the way this manifests is if you don't do this, you put your head on the pillow, and then you loop, right? Like you have these thoughts

and just like go and go and go and the same thoughts. And then you finally fall asleep, you wake up three hours later, there they are again, looping. And so they cause your heart rate to go up, which causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower,

which crashes everything else. So by doing this like internal harvesting, like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate, you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation. So now you've not eaten for four hours. You've got off your phone

and you've got some kind of internal balance. Now you're ready to think, I can put my head on the pillow and have a decent shot at a banger night's sleep. And so basically I've built my entire life around sleep. Now, if you focus on that, it's just like so much of life is just not doing bad shit.

Like what we talked about before of like whether you're happy or not in life is how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do. Yeah. And then like all the other stuff, like all these little things about this and that, like don't worry about it yet.

Just get sleep in place, get these basic habits in place. Your sleep is going to make you feel great. And then once you get that in a steady place, you can start layered on good habits, but if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed. Yeah.

So, like, get that in place. That's like the winner. Dude, it's like, there's nothing better. then when you like, oh, I'm going to sleep. Man, it was... What did you say? How's your sleep? My sleep's okay.

It's not that great. A lot of times I stay up editing. But I also have gotten trapped into a late pattern. So it's like I could get up earlier. It's just like I have to line it up earlier. I could get up earlier, get rid of like the working out, the meditation. You know, I'll do like some Zoom, like recovery meeting stuff. And then all that's...

out of my head. Yeah. And now the rest of my day feels more, it feels easier no matter what I'm doing, as opposed to these things being later in the day and that I still have to do them. That's one of the biggest traps I set myself up for is procrastinating like the toughest things right out of the gate. And they even get easier over time. Yeah, that's right.

But like today, I got up by sauna. I do sauna a lot. That is one thing that I like doing. It just makes me feel activated. And not everybody can have a sauna. at home, you know, I don't have like a very fancy when there's a lot of different affordable ones actually. But that's something that I notice has helped

me a lot. Are you icing your boys in the sauna? Am I icing my body? Your boys. My nuts? Yeah. It's a good idea. You ice them in the sauna? Yeah. Whoa, whoa. What do you mean? Yeah, yeah. So, we did an experiment. So when the testicles get warm, it has all these negative consequences. It destroys your

fertility markers. And so, um, yep. So what you want, what you can do is on Amazon, you can buy like $8 ice packs. They're BPA free,

uh, non-toxic, put them in the freezer and then just slide them underneath your cotton, you're so wear cotton underwear and cotton shorts, put them in, in between the underwear and the shorts and just have them there for the entire session of the sauna session. But we did this.

I, I did, um, the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured like 250 biomarkers. and we did ice on my testicles, and we took it off, and it annihilated of my fertility markers.

Now, a lot of people will say, like, I don't care about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever, but it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop. Like, it's a negative feedback loop. You don't want to annihilate them. You want good fertility markers, even if you're trying to have a baby.

Yeah, you want your brain to feel like you're pot, like just alive. Red a roll. Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, like, oh, these nuts are useless or whatever your brain's like, then what am I sticking around for? Yeah, yeah, my job, exactly.

Dang, dude. Now, what if you just pour a little bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then. Is that, you think that would be okay? I mean, you could, but you got to keep the water cold. It's got to be, make sure you keep the temperature. As long as you get the temperature low, like, whatever, whatever you do. And then after you do it, you know, just clean it with like hydrogen peroxide or something, you know,

and then put it back in the freezer. But, yeah, I know it's like, it's uncomfortable to do it socially. Like, you go out to, like, a public place and it's like, who's the weird person putting, you know, the ice pack all their balls, you know? But, like, it legit is, it's good science. and it's a good practice. So keeping them cool, even if you had to go to the ice machine, get you a little sack ice and just set them on there while you're in there.

That works. Anything you can do to keep your ice, your testicles cold. Wow. Is there a certain type of sauna that you really recommend or something that works differently? There's ones now, like, I actually was thinking about getting like an infrared panel put into my sauna. Do you find that there's any help with that sort of thing? I know that's kind of two different questions.

Yeah. The best evidence is with a dry sauna. And so there's wet, dry, and infrared. And wet, the problem is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature. You try to get your core temperature up. So dry sauna, an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want. So the best evidence is you want to be between 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit. Oh my God, bro.

That's warm. That's your window. And then you want to, so what we're doing now is one of the primary benefits of the sauna is when you go in there, your core body temperature when it gets to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit it triggers the release of heat shock proteins

so these are like little machines protein machines that get spun up and they go around and fix it they fix broken proteins like minions yeah like flooding your body

doing good stuff but it only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits a certain level and so if you're not hot enough to sauna but they're very hard to measure so we're currently sending up a lab

a wet lab in my house. We can measure this. We're going to try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures, various durations. So what we've been looking, because I've been doing core temperature out of my ear lately, but you can't, the gold standard measurement is a rectal, but you've got to do that, you've got to like be inside the ass for like two to three minutes with a long probe. That's farm work. So I'm struggling with that one. I do, I do a lot of,

stuff, but like, man, I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way of doing this? So we're going to do blood. We're going to measure heat shock protein release because that's like the good goody stuff. Yeah. Basically, dry sauna, somewhere between 174 and 212 Fahrenheit for 20 minutes is like a good starting point and then ice on the boys. Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you want to stay in that sauna for you said for 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees? Yeah. That's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is. It's like, if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit. I'm trying to go for like

max, max benefit, but if you're in that temperature range for that duration of time, you're getting so good benefit. Wow. That's fascinating, dude. Yeah, because I, and my step-sister just got me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too. That's good, yeah, because the heat will dry out your scalp.

Yeah, it just seems kind of nice, too. It's nice to have a little bit of like a fashion accoutremen in there kind of. It's made of hemp material. Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah, one thing, we're trying to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right? And it's American cotton. One of the things I noticed, too, on underwear, the night band, sometimes the waistband, it's too tough, and it makes you go pee all night.

Yeah, yeah. So it's like you got to wake up an extra time or sometimes two. Like, if I wear some of these ones that are really constricting, I'm like, so I don't know, I've just been trying to think about making a decent pair of, uh, of britches, bro, something to hide your cock in and whatever. While you're sleeping, bro. I hear you, man. It's a serious problem. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting.

It was like nighttime erection data. Yeah. Take me down that, take me down that Weiner Road for a second. Ryan, what did you see here? Nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son. Yeah, and this is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build as bonding.

That's bonding, dude. Nighttime erection data from my 19-year-old son. Talman Johnson and me. His duration is two minutes longer than mine. Wow. Yeah, raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright. That's hilarious. Yeah, I notice you and your son,

he gets involved in a lot of this, right? Yeah, he's so cool. He's such a cool cat. He's my second child, and he and I are just best friends. We roll, and man, like, we're just twins. Like, we, just like, you know, with Kate. Man, I love this kid so much. We have so much fun together.

Yeah, what makes him so special to you? I mean, it's your son, so that's one thing. There he is. I mean... That's cool. He's in shape, huh? Who would do this with their dad? That's a good...

Dude, that's actually the perfect answer. Maybe Voldemort's son or whatever. I'm just joking. I'm just joking, Thomas. But no, no, you're right. Who would be like... Yeah, who would do anything with their dad? Look at the lower left.

He's, I have my shirt off. Yeah, he's hugging me. Like, we're doing a shirtless skin-to-skin photo shoot. Like, what father-son does that? Seems pretty tribal. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's like, and so like, we're there, we did the blood, trance, like, so he gave me his plasma. I gave my dad, my plasma.

We did, like, a tri-generational thing. And is that, was there any helpful stuff in that? Yeah, so my, this, the origin behind that is my dad called me in a panic. and he said, like, I, he said, I just wrote this thing for work. I stepped away from my, my desk, came back to it. It was gibberish. He's like, I'm freaking out. And so that day, my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges.

Like, the idea of you, like, there was a study where a old mouse and a young mouse were sewed together, and they shared a circulatory system. The old mouse got younger. They were sewn together? Yeah, like they shared a system. That's kind of a shitty mouse, right? like to be that mouse in that experiment. But the old mouse got younger.

And so there was this idea like, what's happening, right? Could you replicate the results there by taking plasma that is youthful and give it to someone that is older? And so I was like, Dad, if you want to do this, I'm happy to give you my plasma. Like, you know, because there were some studies being shown. Yeah, and then you siphon Talmadge in it. And you're like, so he heard, he heard me, Talmadge heard us talking about. He's like, hey, like, if you want me in, like, I'm happy to be in. I'm like, you guys, this is perfect.

Try generational plasma exchange. That shit's dope, dude. Yeah, so we did it. And it's interesting, my dad, his speed of aging, it's like there's a clock inside your body of how fast or how slow you're aging. His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years. So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast he was aging from getting my plasma. How are you able to quantify that? looking at something called DNA methylation.

So your body basically has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body look like? A 13-year-old, a 20-year-old, a 45-year-old, it's like an emergent science. So it's like metadata almost. Yeah, exactly. And so like it's a new area of science. It's still emerging.

It's not yet gold standard. So like, you know, it's not like the blood work is a gold standard marker, but this is cool. And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically. My biomarkers didn't. So when my son, town, which gave me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change, which makes sense because my biomarkers are already, like his, were already of comparable health, but my dads are not as good as mine.

So, but yeah, that was the, behind that. So, like, my son, yeah, like he... That's cool. Yeah, but he's a yes-and guy. Oh, nice. So, like, anything I say, anything I do, he's always like, dad, yeah, and, you know, like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like, I'm in and I want to hang out with you. And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude. I want to talk about the mushroom stuff. But take me back to the erections. Oh, yeah.

What? And that's the only time I'll ever say that probably. It's like, the time you were gay. Everyone's a little gay. For one, oh, dude, people's all a little bit gay, bro. You fucking tickle anybody. If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll admit it. Yeah, yeah.

What did you notice about erections? Yeah. What did you guys find out here? because you and your son both took this. Is it a test? What did you guys do to study it? Yeah. So the idea behind this is how do you tell if somebody's in good health?

You can look at them. It's like what is the skin quality? Like what are their muscles? Are they aerobically fit? It turns out that nighttime erections for men is a major marker for health. And that if a man is not having erections at night when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger problems in the body. But before we did this, nobody talked about this idea.

But every night you go to bed, your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles. So men have between three and five erections every single night. It's not sexual. Your body is just like pulsing the system. Females have the same thing. So females also have these arousal cycles. They're clitoris and gorges.

So we can measure a man's erections. So we have this little device, you put on the base of the penis, and you go to sleep. You think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. You don't even feel it. And you wake up in the morning, and it gives you a readout. How many erections you had, how long they were, and then the strength, the erections. And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the health of your cardiovascular system, your psychological health, and your physiological health. So if your dick is broken, something else is broken about you.

And you can also use it as an age marker because as you age, like a health. like a healthy 18-year-old will have something like two and a half hours of nighttime corrections. And by the time you get to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes. So it declines with age. Papa's still rocking though.

Yeah. So mine are, my best is like three hours and 52 minutes. In one night? Yeah, so I'm at the 99.9%ile for nighttime corrections. And this is a cool marker because, like, people can look at me to say, bro, you still look 48. I don't think any of your shit's working.

And the way to counteract that is when you go to bed, your body just doesn't. Like, I can't change if I have erections that I don't know. I can't think about having sex. Like, your body just does it. Right. So it basically is a question of, like, my body is behaving like an 18-year-old, like better than an average 18-year-old. Yeah.

And so that's like a good marker of like, is my stuff working or not? Yeah. Like, so that's what this whole idea is. Actually, I was teaching my son. Like, I was like, hey, man, how are you doing? because as a good father would want his son to be healthy, and he's like, I want to measure it. So he's a very healthy 18-year-old,

and I was trying to demonstrate that, you know, I'm 48 years old. He's 20. Our bodies basically are behaving the same. So, you know, people like, you know, definitely had a lot to say about this post. Yeah, well, it's, I mean, it's pretty fascinating. You know, when you think about that,

you had 34 million views on this? It'd be like, that's not even, like, it went so much more viral than that. insane, bro. Yeah. Yeah. But dang, also, it's a great business card for your son in the dating world. Yeah. Like, you know what? Yeah. Yeah. Or the longevity world. I mean, just like, yeah, if that's something that's just like it's your nature that it's going to show up at night. Because yeah, I notice, I definitely, if I wake up with an erection, I do feel more like, yeah. Okay, I'm viral or virile. Yeah, yeah. And I'm rocking, you know, and I still got it. You know what I'm saying? And bring on the day. Yeah. Back, you remember, Theo, like when you were,

like early teens. Oh, yeah. You're always erect. Like, in the middle of the day, you have, you just become erect. Yeah, I remember walking down the hall and having to, like, lean my body inward, like, or like walk with your, just. Your book over your, yes. Holding your book back and wearing your book back on the front.

Yeah. Or just, um, or I'd walk in like just, at school, I would just point my body towards the wall and just walk sideways and shit. Yeah. Exactly. Just cocking around. That's like a robust function. But then as you age, right, they just disappear.

Yeah. And so that's why it's so important. So I talk about it because people who don't have men who do not have robust nighttime erections are 70% more likely to have a cardiac event. So like you really want to know if it's not working, like all their stuff is going on. And so, yeah. Wow. A lot of my, yeah, there was a long time I didn't because a lot of it was psychological too. I think I was just, it was something going on in my head that wasn't healthy.

You had mentioned You had an experience I have to pee really quick now We just took a urine break Dude I pee long when I pee do Because I drink a lot of fluids during the day Is that good or bad? You think is it matter?

Yeah, yeah Do you cut off fluids at a certain time At the end of the day So you don't wake up to pee at night? Yeah, so I measure what I did Is I measured my fluid So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna I'm able to exercise how much I

I measure how much I sweat So Gatorade has a patch. Just put it on the inside of your forearm. And then it gives you how much you sweat and also the content of your sodium. So you have like a kind of a baseline. And then you have an idea of like you can back into how much should you consume and should you supplement with the sodium or do you already have that? So yeah, I consume about about 120 to 130 ounces of water per day. So a lot like you.

I front load it in the morning and I stop around four to five. So yeah. So that then helps me. less than the number of times than I get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep the entire night. And then other times, like, probably half the nights. You know, I'll get up once. But, yeah, I try to stop fluid towards the end of the day to stop getting up a night.

So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner? Yeah, well, actually, I eat dinner at like 11 a.m. noon. I have my final meal the day around noon. Oh, you do? Yeah. And when you have your first meal, then? When I wake up at six. Okay.

I wake up like four or five, like four or five, and then I'll have my. breakfast before I eat. So you eat breakfast. Yeah. So many things that are like don't eat breakfast. I feel better when I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the day and I keep it into a smaller eating window. But you don't, that's not your practice.

Yeah, like do your thing. Right. You're saying do your thing. Yeah, exactly. I do your thing. But I like what I, I built my life around sleep. Like unquestionably. So the reason I do that is because if I have my last meal around noon, my heart before,

before I go to bed will be around 41, 14. 42, 43 beats per minute, which if I have that, I'll have a perfect night's sleep. I'll get like four to four and a half hours of restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute. I'll, you know, half the nights I will knock it up. Other nights I'll wake up, I'll back to sleep within a minute or two. And so, yeah. And then once I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel like I can take on life.

When I don't sleep well, it just, it's like, oh, man, it sucks. I hate how I feel. Everything goes downhill. Everything does. The way I treat other people, the way I treat myself, like you're saying. Last night's sleep was bad. Might as well wreck the rest of the day. You know, there's this like regenerator of thing that sort of continues to happen.

Yeah. Do you take any supplements for sleeping? I take 300 MCGs of melatonin. So that's not to be confused with a milligram. It's like a third of a milligram. Okay. It's a very, very light dose. that's all I take.

And a powder or chewable or what? Just I take a plant-based melatonin. Yeah, instead of synthetic. But otherwise, like, you know, people have their sleep stacks. They have, like, the magnesiums and, like, cool. But I just don't need it. Yeah, what I've learned is that the body is a clock. It loves consistency.

And so we've measured this where your body wants to run, it runs certain biochemical processes on certain time frames. So, for example, if your bedtime is 10, 10 p.m. And you miss it. You say, like, I'm going to go to bed at 2 a.m. today, but I'll make up for it. I'll sleep in till 10. I get my full 8 hours. It doesn't work like that. So at 10 p.m., your body has a trash collector that rolls to the body, and it picks up the trash. If you're not in bed at 10 p.m. And the trash accumulates in the body. And so it's more important to be on time and consistent. Otherwise, like the body's processes can't do its thing. So that's what I've learned. It's like, you have to treat the body like a system. You can't just be like, fuck it. I'm going to like power over it or like, you can't.

Like the body runs on certain principles of biology. You can't overrule it. Wow. And it kind of makes sense because even your brain, like your brain's main job is just to keep things organized. Your body just wants to, yeah, a system just wants to run. Yeah. In an organized fashion. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like you were saying, like when we first started talking is like, you have a plan, you have a routine. Like it feels good. You like mentally feels good. The body feels good. It's just better to have that. I read somewhere that you spend like a couple million dollars a year to take care of yourself and to learn data. What is it? What does that financially look like for you really? Is that the truth? That was true, I think initially. Okay. I think it's a bit less now because we have

all these systems built out. But the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, higher in the scientists. So we had to like comb through all the scientific evidence. Like, for example, if you do sauna, how do you do sauna? What temperature? What kind of sauna? How long? Do you ice your testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins, like the little minions, going out and doing the good shit?

Like, you have to go to this degree, which is extensive. And then I bought a bunch of equipment. Like I have a couple, like, I don't know, a million or two of equipment at the house, all the various things. And then just all the money for the experimentation and measurement. But the actual things we've learned are low cost. I can take everything I've learned and give it to somebody and they can put it into their life at a very, very low cost. So it's been really just about, there's actually very few therapies

that cost a lot of money that are worth it. Most things don't work. Most things are bullshit. And so that's been the process of spending the money to figure out what does work and then how those things work. What about red light therapy? Do you think that's helpful? See, this is the thing is yes, but you have to make sure,

that you're getting the right amount of for the right duration of time. And so if it's like a face mask, whether it's a panel, and so we do things like, we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how much exposure you're getting

at what distance, what duration, if you're looking for like deep healing or longevity. So again, I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters. And so we try to be very precise. Like if you're doing red light therapy, get this dose. And now you can just go to an AI model

and be like, I have this device. It has these specs. If I want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this? And that gives you the data. But you want to be precise because a lot of people think like red light's good. I'll just do it and it's great. Like, it's more nuanced.

Because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist. Yeah. And she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy can be helpful. Yeah. I do it every day. I do red light. I have three panels that surround me. It's red and near light.

I do it for six minutes a day. Okay. So I do every day. It's a good therapy. Got it. What about like barometric, you know, those like barometric chambers, you see a lot of those at wellness centers, you know, I'll go to a place where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD injections every day. Are you, do, is the barometric

thing, something you recommend? Yeah. So I have a hyperbaric oxygen therapy chamber. That's what I mean hyperbaric. Yeah. So it's, it's potentially, it's right there at the very, very top. So I'd say sauna, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and like, Interestingly, mushrooms, magic mushrooms is up there. But, yeah, hyperbaric is one of the best therapies. Like we all do with our experiments, I did a 250 biomarker measurement. And what we saw after 60 sessions, yeah, there we go. There's the system.

We saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome, my skin, my blood, inflammation, like telomeres. it just had more whole body effects. If you pull up, do, find the one I read up, or I did on X. Brian Johnson, HBah summary. It's the best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world that rebuilds collagen, alasin fibers. It gets rid of senescent cells, which are zombie cells. How long do you need to be in there for?

That's the thing. That's a problem. 90 minutes. Per day? Per session. And you need to do 60. Yeah, there we go. That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions each 90 minutes in 90 days.

So it's a gigantic amount of time. Oh. Yeah, and you can't have electronics in there. It's too dangerous. So, yeah, this is the thing is it's really inaccessible, which is sad, because it's so good. 300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telemerit's activity of a 12-year-old associated with biological age, 250 to 20% increase in short chain fatty acids. but you'd have to do this

and then keep it up for every year, right? Yeah, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but right now I'm doing 60 sessions per year in like a big burst, and then I'll do like a 20 session burst once per quarter. And so I'll do this around, for example,

like a certain treatment. It's like Thursday, I had a bunch of stuff done to my face. So I'm, you see how I'm beat up, I've got like stuff all over the place. Yes. Like under, I have like bruised. Yeah. Yeah, you're damn lying.

Everett, at home. Yeah. You're a damn white mouse. Yeah, it's like we, as you age, you lose collagen, and so your skin, like, gets saggy and less plump. And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild my collagen.

Okay. And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that. But then you pair that with hyperbaric oxygen therapy and, like, boost the therapy. Got it. So, yeah. So that's the thing. So say if I'm gonna go get an NAD injection

or an IV every week, and it's gonna take two hours anyway while I'll sit in there, I might as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it? If there's one there? Or do you think if I only go 50 times in a year, is it even worth it? I mean, like, there are, you can do, like, one session's good for you. Got it.

And you can do five also good for you. There's, like, protocols that, like, on healing, like, diabetics will do, like, 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds. It's really great for healing. This is just, like, the longevity protocol. So you can do fewer sessions and still do it, but you want to have it. It's a compounded therapy, so do them in a close proximity, but no more than five per week. Your body needs to have a break. Got it.

Yeah. Yeah, I saw you do the mushroom therapy, and that's one of the things that kind of brought me, like, made me think like, okay, this guy, it's not like, you know, this guy's really, he's still out there experimenting and wanting to learn more, right? What was that therapy like for you? And were you surprised by it? And was it psilocybin, I guess, and the effects? Yeah.

This is one of the coolest discoveries we've made. is psilocybin like sits in the world of psychedelics, but it's never been bridged over to longevity. That's a different way of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so we said, can we do an experiment to see is our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy? So same thing, we measure 250 biomarkers

and the data was insane, surprisingly. So like, we found this new thing where There were studies in mice that showed that the blood glucose improved. In me, my blood glucose went from 98.2 percentile in the population, good, to 99.8 percentile, I think, some like that. Like, it almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain, resetting your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It took my inflammation levels down to undetectable. It had changes in my microbiome. it um so i list them all out here yeah like it it legit is a longevity therapy um it reduced inflammation and below detectable uh calm my body in mind lower cortisol

inhibited hpa access in the days following the dose made neuroplasticity in the brain like takes your brain to a more youthful state wow so you guys did a lot of like treatment while you were under this and did you then uh put this into your protocol after that yeah yeah yep so we it's really early days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol. But right now, it's like once every 30 days seems to be about right. And how much mushrooms you take in?

25 milligrams of psilocybin. So then it depends upon the strain. So I did the B positive mushroom strain. So it's like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder, which then was the 25 milligrams of psilocybin. So that's a real

trip, kind of. Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's like it's just below a ego dissolution. Wow. So you have to be like in a say, you got to chill out somewhere. Yeah, you don't want to beat the club. Right. And what about,

but you, but that was so helpful that you now, it's part of the protocol. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing our next psychedelic live stream in three weeks. We're doing a new psychedelic. Oh yeah, this is cool. So yeah, Kate did it with me.

Oh, your girl did it? And your son did the first one? I know, so he just showed up. So at the end, of when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad. Oh, that's crazy. Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment. You know, because, like, you're in that state, and I was just giddy and euphoric, and I was able to express things to my dad.

Yeah. Yeah. That's huge. And so then, yeah, so we did this. We see the temperature, when you take psilocybin, your body changes in its thermal regulation. So the extremities get a lot colder, and you have a lot of heat go inside. So we did that as a measurement. But yeah, so we're looking at our next psychedelic.

Because there's like a few things. Like we did psilocybin, but other contenders are ayahuasca, 5MEO. What else do we look at? Yeah. So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, Iowaska's been one that's... You should...

I've done it before. It's been amazing. You should come on. So last time we did this. We had people who came on to work. So I was tripping. And we had a bunch of people who were commentators. And we were like, almost like fight show stuff.

Like you should come on and be a commentator. Dang, bro. That would be so wild to commentate somebody who's going through an ayahuasca experience. I'm not opposed to that. Where are you based out of? We'll do it internationally. Oh, you have to, I guess. Yeah.

But it would just be online. Yeah. We just bring you in. It's just like, you know, it's like, it'd be fun. Actually, it'd be fun to get a few comedians. Come in and like, you know, give their two cents on like, what's going on? Are there any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad for your brain? I don't know.

I don't know the answer to that. Is there any, like, therapy that you went and tried and you were like, oh, this is definitely not it? Or, like, was there ever a place where you got scared? Like, you went to, like, you know, Romania or some place, you know, I'm just hypers. hypostocizing, but... Yeah, I mean, like, if you pull up that image of my face that blew up, you had it up there before, I... Yeah, so...

That's you? That's me, yeah. So, I got really skinny in the early days of this project. Really, really skinny, and I lost a bunch of volume in my face. And so when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard to get back volume. So most people just do filler, but I didn't want to do filler. And so we did this Renuva, which is this fat. So someone else was fat.

So I injected it to my face and I had a severe reaction. So that didn't work. Bro, that's crazy, dude. I saw this earlier and I was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing up? I thought this was like a Native American woman. Yeah, that's me. I totally thought this was a Native American woman. Yeah, on the far right there, that was me.

Like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh, shit. This is not a good situation. It took me like six days to calm down. It was bad. That's pretty scary, dude. Spending all this time working on yourself, right? How do you stay out of like ego with it? Because it's such a self, you know, in the end, there's some ego because it's you,

you're your own experiment, you know? And then what are some of the, like, what does it cost you? Like, what have been some of the things like, have there been relationships you haven't been able to have? Like, has it been tough to like spend time with family? like what are some things, what are the side effects of being like, you know, one of the biggest experiments in, in, uh, in history. Yeah. I mean, that's like one of the primary criticisms I get is people say, uh, you know, bro's so busy trying to not die, he forgot how to live.

Mm. And, um, I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective. And I, I view myself as a, a modern day explorer, you know, like somebody who is out there on the frontier trying to discover something new. And like, man, I fucking love this so much. I love this game so much. I'm into it. Like it, when I wake up in the morning, it's the first thing I think about all day long. Like, what is the experiment? What is the data? What is the science? I love it. And so I think people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in love with. And so, you know, is there a cost? Yes. Like, are my friends going out and doing things sometimes that I'm doing? Yes. but do I feel a loss? No, like, I'm very happy

at the situation. And so, like, in some ways, like, I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete. I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete. Like, LeBron goes to bed on time. He eats well, and we're like, oh, man, like, you play well in the court. People just don't understand I'm a new archetype. They haven't ever seen it before. So there's just, like, a disconnect between that. It is cool. Like, I love the hate. It's, like, great energy, right? It's just a lot of discussion. Yeah, and there's just a lot of confusion around it, you know?

Yeah, yeah. I think. You just don't know, especially at a when there's like these tech lords who it seems like they want to like siphon everybody's andro chronome or whatever have you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenachrome or whatever yeah uh everybody has reached out to me like everybody top to bottom you name it and like it's just like what you know what gives you a feeling of power you're like money um status or mortality. Immortality, right? The other thing. They just don't care. It's like they just don't pale. This is what I'm saying.

Like this transition is happening. What good is money if you're dead? What good is status if you're dead? Any world leaders reached out? Yes. Yeah. So it's just like, what worlds do you think they're from?

I mean, they, they all want it. They all want to be healthy. They all want. Any world leader just hit you up straight up, call you right up. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's like from everybody. Are you at liberty to say or no? I can't, yeah. Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. I had to ask. Yeah.

I mean, there was like this moment where Shipping and Putin, they had this hot mic issue a couple, like, months ago where they're both like, yeah, like, you know, it looks like we should be able to live like 150 years old. I remember that. Yeah. So it's like, it's on their minds. They're like, it's clearly in the zeitgeist. And if you're in that circle, as I've watched this, like, it's funny in the world of status and power. the new status marker is health. Like that's what gives people power.

And like now like having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever, but like it doesn't matter as much. So it really is like this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be powerful in society and have status. So I love seeing it. Like the more that happens, the better off. Do you have competitors out there? Are there other U's out there that you start to run across from different realms or different countries or whatever? I mean, like, anyone who's trying, I love it. Like, I'm a very much a yes-and kind of guy.

Like, anyone's out there experimenting, great. You know, like, do your thing, be beautiful. So, yeah, I really try to encourage everybody. People will call me and they'll be like, I'm going to beat you at your markers. I'm like, great, I will help you. Like, I will make you better. Like, I will, you have to make the same mistakes I have.

So we're just, when you think about it, we are, the whole situation is so fucked up. We're on planet Earth. in the middle of space, what is even going on? Right? And it's like, this is so crazy.

And like, the fact that we're conscious is so cool. The fact that we're alive is so amazing. Like, why wouldn't we do absolutely everything

in our power to keep this game going? Like, I don't want it to stop. Yeah. And so, like, to me, it's the coolest game.

And so, yeah, it's like celebrate everybody who's trying to embrace life. And, like, honestly, get fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us.

Like, stop it. Stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid. Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey went in this direction kind of? Yeah, my friends are more like me than I ever would have guessed now. Like they go to bed on time, right?

They see it. So I'd say my friend group, we now do things together. And so no, I don't miss out much. Like there's some things. Like, for example, Grimes did a, she did a DJ set. And she started at one.

So I went to bed at 7 p.m. I woke up at 9.30 p.m. And then I went out, did her set with her, then went back to bed. I did it with Aoki as well. So, like, I've been trying to, like, be balanced of, like, be rigid. Also, the rest of the world parties at 1 o'clock in the morning.

So, and I still had, like, a great sleep score. I still got my sort of sleep. So, like, I have tried my best to go after this goal of don't die, but also, like, try to find some compromise and doing things that are currently normal in today's. society. Do you feel addicted to wanting to not die? I mean, probably, right?

Like, the same way, like, are people addicted to making money? Yeah. You know, are people addicted to social media? Yeah, like, like the human conditions kind of addiction. And so, like, am I, yeah, I'm lost in this. I don't think I've ever felt as

satisfied and fulfilled as I do now. Wow. I've got a fantastic family. I have a fantastic partner. I love the game I'm playing. I just, you know, like, I went through like 10 years of chronic depression. Like, legit wanted to kill myself. And I would have done it had it not been from my kids. So, like, I know what shitty feels like.

Like, when you're just like, you're so buried deep and it's like, I don't know how many day out of this. Like, it's just bad. What started the cause of that, do you think? I, well, a couple things. One, I just had my first baby and he was colicky. And so we weren't sleeping. It was like six months of total sleep deprivation.

I was building a startup. So I had no money. I was stressed out of my mind. My partner wasn't working, so I was a sole provider. And so it's just like, no sleep and startup and no money. And like,

I think it just got me. And then once it got me, like, it's very hard to wrestle your way out of it when my circumstances didn't change. I still had no money. I still had to make my startup work. And so then I just got deeper and deeper.

And then like it just kind of cascaded into like really bad shit. So I'm so grateful I didn't commit suicide, you know. So. How much does the, you take care of yourself so much physically, you have so much information about that. How much are you able to attach your mental to that as well? Or what do you notice about the physical mental relationship?

Yeah. That if when people, so right now, if somebody is suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move mostly is to take a pill, right? Like get on some kind of. Yeah. And so the first move, is really to fix your sleep. And the way to fix your sleep is to lower your heart rate, lower the heart rate.

You have your fat last meal the day, like, do all these different steps. Now that's not going to fix everybody's issues. But having good sleep in place is the most powerful thing anybody can do in their life on any condition. And then once you have that in place, like if you need to look at other options, cool. But most of the time, people don't look at the very basic things like, are you going to bed on time? Like, when are you eating that last meal, what's your heart rate. So I have found that when my body is operating well, my mind operates well. It's a very symbiotic relationship that you literally are what you consume. You know, social media,

food, all the above. And so I don't talk about mental health as directly. I talk about get the basics right and you see the boost in your mental health. Like, if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room, like, over half of you are in a current mental health crisis. And the room always goes dead quiet. They know I'm right. I see it in their eyes, right? Like, they had a happy face on. They had like smiling. Like, yeah, I've got this going on.

But inside, they're dying. Yeah. And you know what you can feel. And so when I say that and I puncture it, and it's like, that's true. Like, you guys, like, it's not. good to build a company when you're suicidal. Right. Right.

Like, no one's winning here. So, like, get your shit together. You can build a great company. You can be ambitious. You can be epic. Like, sleep. And like, so that's really, I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my life to tell me that. Like, hey, man, I see you're ambitious.

Like, you have big plans for life. But like, let me just kind of help you get some basics right. Yeah. Having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters, it's just so hard. And it's hard to believe. It's like, you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years. And I had like a mental breakdown kind of. Like this was about four or five years ago.

I almost literally felt something snap in my brain. Yeah, me too. You remember the day, that moment? Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I do remember. I had some shows that were in, they were up in California. They were in, yeah, and I literally had to cancel them the day up. Never I'd do that in my life.

I said, if I have to walk out there, I physically cannot do it anymore. Yeah. And the whole time before that I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough. Yeah, 100%. I would mirror your experience. I had the same thing. Yeah. What did you do?

Do you have to go to therapy or something? No, I was in the parking lot in Orham, Utah, with my brother in a Red Saturn. And I said, he was my business partner at the time. And I said, Jason, I was talking to him about, like, I'm feeling depressed. I just, like, can't quite do things. And in that conversation, something, like, snapped. Like, I almost, like, physically heard a snap. And I'm like, something.

just broke in my brain. And my brother was like, just try harder, right? Like, he wasn't, I don't think he understood. If you haven't been depressed, you don't know, but like, I will never, ever forget that moment. It was like 5.30 in the evening. It was just sunsetting. And that put me on a 10-year-long hole.

And so, like, you know, I'm so empathetic to people. Like, I think it is so much more common than we talk than, like, people talk about. I do think that, like you said earlier, that when you said a lot, like you were in that meeting and you said a lot of people here are struggling or barely holding on. I do think that that kind of thing is the truth. That, like, we're all just in this space where we're pretty close to. Exactly. We're just holding on. Yeah, that's a much better way of saying it.

But then we're so used to surviving at that space, too. You start to think that that's supposed to be the norm and it's not. Exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, it's very real. And, like, it hurts and it sucks. It's there's no safe place to go. Like, who do you tell us about?

Is it safe? Is it not? We'd be penalized. Yeah. So it's tough. And then like the world is so brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you.

Tough space. Yeah. And the truth is probably just say what is it going on. Yeah. You know, but it's so hard. Last question. With AI, you know, AI and things are happening so fast and differently now. Do you think that that will have a large effect on,

on don't die, on how we can live, on the possibility to live forever, or to have a longer life expectancy. And do you use AI with your own data to help create any sort of real information? Yeah. This, well, what a lot of people don't know is this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not about health. And so... Like, what do you mean?

Yeah, so I did this, when I was 21 years old, I had this ambition that I wanted to do something that would be useful to the human race. Like that was my ambition. I don't know why, but I just like, I really cared about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do. I wasn't good at anything. I was kind of shitty at most everything. And so I said, okay, I'm going to become an entrepreneur. I'm going to make a whole bunch of money. Then my age 30 with money, I'm going to do something epic in the world. And so I did that. By 34 years old, I sold my company for $800 million. But at 34, I was burnt to a crisp. I just smoked.

And so I needed to recover. And so, but then I had basically this quite open question, like, now I have money. What do you do? And so when you have basically unlimited optionality in the world, so I spent 10 years trying to figure that out. And I did one thought experiment, which really helped bring clarity, is I imagined imagine traveling in time to the year 2,500. So a few hundred years into the future.

And there you are sitting among those that exist. Like, are the human, the AI? We don't know. But there they are talking. And they're reflecting on the early 21st century, our time. And they're saying, we appreciate homo sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because they did blank that allowed intelligence

to still exist in the universe. What did they do? They didn't destroy themselves. And I thought about that question for years. I think they say two things. One is they say, that's when Homo sapiens gave birth to superintelligence. The second thing they say is they say, the second thing that they'd figured out is that they wouldn't die.

That they transformed society from a culture of die of like, I will pillage you for my profit. Or I will yule my way to death to exchange for this to existence itself is the highest value. There's nothing more valuable than existence. And we will do anything to fight for our existence. And so the principles we talked about today of like care, like our society would be better off if we really cared for each other. If you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust. And so what I'm trying to do technically is when you

it's like pretty technical entropy is the final boss of the universe so entropy is the disorder of things the second la la thermodynamics so eventually like a warm cup of coffee goes cold

suns burn out bodies die like things just naturally decay and so the number one enemy of the universe is decay and disorder and life is a rebellion against disorder like we somehow

survive And so what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal is to say, as a species, our number one goal is to build a new antintropic system, like a new life system that makes fighting for life the number one goal for all things. And you can measure entropy or death in all things. You can measure it in a physical system. You can measure it in a biological system. But you can basically build it computationally. So that's like a whole bunch of stuff. But the goal. is you can measure death, you can build protections against death, you can do it in the body, you can do it in physical systems, you can align yourself with AI. It's like, it's a new ideology that I want it to become the fastest growing ideology in human history, that it helps you understand existence. And it's competitive with any major ideology. So there's like, I need like honestly like 60 minutes to explain it because I know it's like, I just jammed it up.

But it's basically a new way to exist that reframes our reality. Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense that a lot of history, people have lived as if we die. Yeah, right? Yeah. Okay, one day we die. There's an afterlife. You can live forever somewhere else.

Yes. You can live extensively somewhere else. But then to have this concept and to really live as if we don't die. Yes. Then now how do you live? Yes. Right. And that's a whole reframing of things.

Exactly right. Right. But I do understand that, that once you reframe it, it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of, yeah, if the afterlife or a lot of it can be here. Yes, exactly. Then what rules change for me? What rules change in the world? And how does it affect how I play the game, really?

Exactly right. And like the thing of cool is don't die is that you can be Christian and don't die. You can be Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die. You can be anything and don't die because don't die just says nobody wants to die right now. It says nothing about five years from now

or 20 years from now. The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment, one thing, nobody wants to die right now. That's it. After that, there's no agreement on anything. And so if you build artificial superintelligence, you're like, what do you do with it?

It's like, help me make more money, help me become better at war, like help me acquire more power. like what I'm saying is the obvious answer we say to AI we want to exist right that's our goal

we don't want to destroy ourselves we don't want to die individually this is not saying we have immortality it's saying we don't want to die right now so you're trying to basically just get a piece accord with all humans

and all AI and say can we just strike a deal where we have the right to exist it's like the United States said like you know life living the pursuit of happiness, the new constitution for our new species is the right to exist. And that's what this whole thing's about. It's just like the very basic primal desire,

I want to take one more breath. Because we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this that we don't, that we can't. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. It's like, if you don't state that as the objective, then you point it at profit. If you pointed a profit, you inevitably like have the temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for my profit. I'm going to give you food that poisons you, but makes me money. It feels like where we're at now. Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a, you go, all right, I'll give you this,

then you go here, then you spend there, and then you go to this. But Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man. Love it, man. It's great, bro. It's so much fun. Yeah, this is super interesting, man. Can you imagine now a stand-up act that would just rip me? Yeah, well, I think, I mean, I think I could think of a couple of things.

I could think, one, you being on a great roast over there. And that's one thing they do with Kill Tony. They roast everybody roast everybody. So it's like this thing. You're just part of the universe, you know? And then I could think of a, yeah, of a great, if, like, if there was like a dope roast and you were one of the people on it, people would have the best jokes. I bet it just adds a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having a sense of humor about it.

What are the, what is a cheat day? Like, do you ever just want to unwind? I did see you had a photo of like the fourth, like a fourth meal or something that you had. that was up on the social media the other day. Yeah. There you are, just geeked out right there. Yeah, I'm trolling. Oh, you're just trolling there.

Yeah. Okay, got it. Yes, there's some Taco Bell. Some different stuff. I said, decided to live a little because, like, you know, like, it's funny because people are always like, bro, live a little. But what they're saying is, I want you to die. Right.

To show me you're alive. And so, like, right? It's just like, it's fun. It is kind of true. Live a little. In some ways, if we look at it, especially diet, diet, diet, dietitically or whatever, we're saying, yeah, man, die, you know.

Yeah. Take the, you know, die some. Yeah, they want me to die. So I just, like all things, I really enjoy playing. People have a lot of fun with me as well. Yeah. But yeah, like, you know,

the funny thing is the cheat day thing, man, like, I don't want to do it. Wow. If you got into the point where you don't want to do it too, is it always like that or no? Just got there, like, past couple years. It took me like 100 reps. Like, you do it, you're like,

I'm going to do it and be fun. And then it happens. you're like, God damn. It's so worst. It's never worth it. So I learned the lesson. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever worth it. It just doesn't.

Like, I don't know a situation where I did something. I'm like, yeah, you know what? Now, like, when I did, when I went to bed early, went to the rave in the middle of the night, I got to dance. Worth it. Right. But like, you know, fast food meal. So my team right now is where they're, they're trying to convince me to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment. So like what does alcohol do to the body?

So we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers. We'd look at my impairment. So like if I were, I would do an experiment like that. But otherwise, like just to have fun, like no, man, it's miserable. I hate it.

Has this challenged your faith? Has any of the, has it challenged where your faith lies? I knew, because you grew up in a Mormon community, is that right? Yeah. And has it challenged,

which I think is a great community, by the way. Yeah. Has any of your practices challenged any of your beliefs or your relationship with that community. Yeah, I mean, I joke with my Mormon friends. I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm like the best Mormon.

You know, like, you know, because sugar is the currency in a Mormon. Like you can't do, there's not premarital sex, you can't do porn. Like there's a whole bunch of dude. You can't drink coffee. Yeah. Right? So when you have like a whole bunch of nose, like it's got to go somewhere. Yeah.

So sugar is like the escape route. And so. That's nice. Yeah, exactly. I didn't mess around with them. But like, the thing is, like, for me, the whole in the world is that we're in this wacky situation where we're conscious in the universe. Like, what the fuck is going on? So bizarre.

It's so bizarre. We're going to talk about it every day. It's so bizarre. And so then, like, given the bizarreness, there's all these ways of people being like, let me explain the situation. Right. But, like, I don't know. I'm more of the opinion of like, how do we know? Right.

What are we talking about? And so like, but then if you say, like, who says they don't know, it's a very, very, very small number of people who say they're like atheists and they don't know. But that's kind of like a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know, but like, whatever. So like, what's missing in the world is an ideology that's like, we don't really know. And we have gusto. Like when you're in a religion, like you've got gusto to serve God and to like, you know,

obey the commandments and like, but like, where is an ideology that couples up, I don't know, and has gusto? And that's what's missing in the world. That's what I found is like, you can intellectually be like legit, pretty hard to know what's going on. Also, like we can stand up. We can, like, we have power right now. Like, if it wasn't, before AI, you're doomed. Like, no matter what you said, you're off to death. With AI, this is the first time ever where human can be like, you know what? I got a strut. Like, I'm going to put my chest out. And like, I feel, I feel confident. I can do something. And so like, we're at this brand new thing. And that's what I'm saying, like, this moment is so insane. Why? What makes you think about that? Just because the,

the ability that the average person can have now? Yeah. Like, I mean, you look at AI, um, I mean, like, you basically are giving birth to God. Right. Like, we, when we talk about God, we say, like, God's omnipotent, right? Omnipotent. God is blank, my blank. Like, we basically assign these powers of, like, anything. And on some, like, we say, like, we say, we're, we're some kind of time scale, AI is kind of that. Like when it's that and how it's that, like TBD, but it's like generally that. And so when you actually have like the potential of building like billions of gods or God-like powers, like we've imagined, like why wouldn't you immediately level up your

ambition by like a thousand X? Right, because you're taking some of the more practical possibilities of God and making them more usable to the everyday person. Exactly. You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that is like spiritual in nature, though, do you think? Why not? I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right?

I don't know. You think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing is going to make them feel the same way as if they feel like there's some connection to an actual, like, molecular existing force in the world? I do. I think that basically... You think it's the same? Basically, so you are.

are 70 trillion sales, when Theo Vaughan experiences love or God or like take whatever you think, that is a biochemical pattern. Got it. And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation, with sex, right? Like there's so many ways to replicate these experiences. So like if AI is able to develop drugs and or experiences and or if we have implants and or like you can, you can basically just map it back.

It's, it's very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right now and not be able to pull back the curtain and say, here's what happened, biochemically.

Now, like, I'm open to other ways to explain the world that you can't find a biochemical signature for. Totally open to that. But like, in my experience,

everything I am, I can just see the data. Like, it is a very clear reveal. And so, yeah, will humans be able to experience

transcendence and, you know, unconditional love and extreme fulfillment of purpose and, like, locked in engagement. Yes, like all those things. And so I actually, I'm, I'm very friendly towards religions. Like, no matter who you are, no matter what you believe in, great. Right. Like, don't die is something we can all agree to. And so, like, if someone says they believe in an afterlife, super. Like, you can still have your afterlife. This is not taking away your afterlife. This is just saying, like, right now we want to cooperate because we love the game of life. If that means you want to procrastinate your afterlife for another 100 years, it's still going to be there for you. Like, it's not going away. Right. So it's really about trying to strike. So it's the same thing

about food. Like, I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever. I'm not anti-religion. I'm not for religion. I'm just like, we're all good. Like everyone, we're all good. We can be together. We can like play the game together. We don't need to fight each other. No one needs to be right or wrong. We just want to agree that existence is awesome. Yeah. So that's like we're just trying to call peace of all intelligence. Let's not fight. No more killing. Yeah. They should be cool. Amen, man. Because I wonder sometimes

if like when kids interact with AI and stuff like that, do they feel like it's like the same as if I feel if I'm interacting with a real person, you know? Because yeah, I just wonder if you could ever get that, you know, that kind of hug feeling of like of your God, whoever your God is or something. I wonder if you could ever

get that hug feeling. If like something that was yeah like man-made or synthetic kind of hypothetically synthetic if it would ever be the same but I mean

I think it's all interesting conversation and look man you're out there on the front lines you're like the only one in this war like you're like your own Vietnam dude out there

you know so it's really cool and I really appreciate your time man tell Talmage tell Talmage we said what's up oh cool And, yeah, and Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude.

I'm going to grab some of that olive oil. I do want to get some of it. I'll send you some. Well, I'll support, man, but thank you. But thank you even for coming, dude, and just sharing a lot of this with us. I think it's not just about milligrams and this. But it's kind of like a life idea, and it's a change of perspective. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. So I understand it. Yeah, I love hanging out, man. It was really fun. Me too, bro. I know you said we saw each other at the UFC. See, I remember now seeing your face for a second.

Yeah. And, but I'm glad to see it again. We'll have to get to one soon. Yeah, cool. All right. Thank you, brother. All right, man.