This Past Weekend - #645 - Chris Robinson

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Starting point is 00:01:05 and Saturday. That's March 13th and 14th, one on Friday and two on Saturday evening. A few tickets are still available at Theo Vaughan.com slash T-O-U-R practice and preparing for my Netflix special. So grateful to be down there in the great state of Florida. Today's guest is a musician. He's a founder of the legendary rock band The Black Crows. He has a new album called A Pound of Feathers that comes out

Starting point is 00:01:35 March 13th. I cannot even believe. Today's guest is Mr. Chris Robinson. I don't mind being decrepit a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, I've never...

Starting point is 00:02:04 It's kind of artsy. It's a little bit Tim Burton-esque. Well, I'm kind of proud that I've... that I've survived 59 winters. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:02:15 Yeah. Oh, I can imagine with your life, I bet. Did you feel like when you were young, like I'm never going to live long? And then as you got, no, as you've grown, you're like, fuck, I guess I'm. I don't, you know what? It's so funny because I'm not afraid of the theme at all. And of course, but I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've never really thought about it. I adhere to, do you know, the French artist, young.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Cocktoe, do you know he was? He's very, have you ever seen the original movie Beauty and the Beast? Yeah. The black and white one with the hands. He directed that film. He was a French artist, intellectual. Jean-Coctoe.

Starting point is 00:02:57 Yeah, a very important figure in the 20th century in art. And I subscribed to something that he said. And he said, living is a horizontal fall. So he just like, when I read that about, 35, 36 years ago, I was like, that's it. I mean, what else do you need to know? I mean, it was like,

Starting point is 00:03:19 perfect, philosophic. Yeah, that's a line. Sometimes I get so jealous when you hear somebody that said something or that wrote something, you know, not jealous, but also, I guess I used to get more jealous. Now I think I just get grateful that I got to hear it or read it. Of course, of course. That's what it's all about. I mean, there's a million things to inspire, you know, and I think. I think it's really sad if you get to a point and it could be anything just whatever I have a lot of varied interests

Starting point is 00:03:49 you know what I mean so I'm constantly like interested in stuff and the world is just information you know what I mean because I'm dyslexic as well I just process it in a different way but it's that's why

Starting point is 00:04:04 I have been in a fucking rock band my whole life that's what it'll lead you there you're saying yeah oh yeah if your brain is freaking doing donuts or whatever. Every artist I know. Yeah, it's like, that's why we found our way to this. And the success part or whatever, that kind of aspect of it is just whatever.

Starting point is 00:04:26 You know what I mean? That's what either happens or doesn't happen. Yeah, I read somewhere that you, like, you have like a, I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about the first line of a song or a, like, whenever you mentioned that thing about Mr. Cocktoe, it made me think about that. Like how the first line is so important. Yeah, it's funny that you're, I did say that. I've said that because, you know, lyrics are the,

Starting point is 00:04:51 the writing songs was the first thing I thought I could do. Do you know what I mean? So I was like, that's what I was into. Yeah. That was my interest, poetry, and, you know, that was something that I felt. I had, maybe I could get into this. Was it a music first? Like, you were just thinking in poetry?

Starting point is 00:05:09 Poetry first. You know what I mean? because the music part came a little later when I was kind of like, fuck, you know, like we're going to see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early 80s at like punk rock matinee shows and stuff because that's the shit we could go see because I wasn't really interested in like MTV

Starting point is 00:05:31 and kind of those same stuff. We were just different, my brother too. That kind of led to the whole world of, there's like all this other shit going on, but it's not on TV or it's not on the radio. You have to really dig and find it. And then you see some other kid in like a fucking

Starting point is 00:05:51 circle jerks t-shirt or something. And you're like, let's go talk to that guy. Yeah, what's going on there. Yeah. Which the world is still the same way, I think. You meet the people you're supposed to meet and has nothing to do with technology

Starting point is 00:06:05 if you're out in the world traveling around. Yeah, that's a good point actually. I think you come across. You meet fucking people. because you guys are, people are on a certain wavelength. Yeah, there's a real human wavelength that's still happening in the universe, even though so many of us are sidelined on our devices, though. It's almost like you're on the sidelines when you're on your device.

Starting point is 00:06:24 It's almost as if it's by design, too. You know what I mean? I don't really wander into those realms so much. I'm too busy with Mr. Cocktoe. Just kidding. Did you have like, yeah, are there, like, once I read that you, once I read that you said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I was trying to think of, oh, the first line thing.

Starting point is 00:06:44 But that dictates the, yeah, where like, okay, if that first thing to me is something like I could, in a stupid visualization, open up a page and see it. And then if that would be something that, if I could capture something in imagination or feeling or where those two things come together in the first few words of the song. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:09 That's, you know, and I find my, like, like that with songs too. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm not going to wait till the third verse for some good words. Yeah, to tickle you a little. Yeah. Go give it to it. Yeah, you want to tickle in my front. Like, uh, what's the Johnny, that Johnny, I hurt myself to do. Yeah, yeah. That went to

Starting point is 00:07:26 the Tre Ressner song. Yes. Oh, my friend was just at the, they just went to see Nine-Each Nails last night, actually. He was sending me videos. They were here last night? No, they were in New Orleans. Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right. That's right. He just went. Wow. I saw that. We, we, my wife and I went to see them in Brooklyn over the summer. It was like a crazy week of like fucking gigs because

Starting point is 00:07:47 we got there and corn and system over down we're playing. So we went to that and I've never seen shit like that and that was fucking amazing. Brian Walsh was he playing? Yeah, yeah. But that was the gig where a guy was like jerking off in the stands like...

Starting point is 00:08:00 Oh, in Brooklyn? No, this is in at the stadium. What's it called? MetLife Stadium. Oh, yeah. It was all over the internet there's a guy like jerking off. And there he is. Oh, that's a trap beat.

Starting point is 00:08:14 Bro, that's playing an 808, huh? He's really upset at that point of the... But a guy runs over and like smacks him. I was at that gig, but I was on the floor, so I had nothing to do. Oh, you were down there in the recipient. Maybe he was looking at me right there. You never know. Oh, that dude's just serving a little bit of body, brother.

Starting point is 00:08:33 That dude just making his own vending machine, dude. I mean, look, this guy's had enough of you, man. But to run up and hit a guy who's jerking. off is insane, though. Unless maybe he's a, that's what he wanted. He couldn't really get it together unless he got punched in the back of the skull. Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe that was his.

Starting point is 00:08:50 His plan all along. Wow, this guy's really on to something. Wow. I'm so glad I can get off easier than that. Oh, was at that show. I was at nine-inch nails, and then we went to Oasis. Oh, amazing, huh? Yeah, it was a great week.

Starting point is 00:09:05 But I tell you, Nine-inch Nails was unbelievably good show. I mean, it was so theatrical, so visual. It was, it was, there was also like a real human part, too. I mean, I was just so impressed. Yeah, I heard the effects on this tour. It was supposed to be pretty amazing. Did it just kick off?

Starting point is 00:09:22 No, this is the second half of it, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they did half of it last year. Yeah, I haven't got to talk to my friend. He's seen, like, four videos last night, though, so it was pretty cool. Just to have, like, moments from our childhood, you know, that you should just like, and for, like, 30 seconds each time, I was, like, back in these moments where you're, like, feeling something, you know?

Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah, well, I've got. I see some concerts now are less phone-driven than they used to be. Like people want to be there more? I think so. I think you're right. And I think it's funny when you see, like, when it's juxtaposed with, like, if you see some footage from, like, concerts before phones, and everyone is focused on the same fucking thing. And it's really, you know, about some other sort of interaction.

Starting point is 00:10:08 Yeah, and you'd have a... You'd almost have a, like a, it was like you were riding a wave during a concert. Like you'd find somebody that had a beer. Emotional. Yes, you're there. And then you connect with a girl, but she disappears. And then you're like, oh, wait, I'm here with my wife. And then that's there.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Concerts were every, I mean, they were, it was a different thing. I mean, they can still have magical moments. You know, people can still be involved. Yeah. But your friend would go off to get, like, and then somebody would go off to get beverages. And you would never see, like that person, they were gone. Never saw them since. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:38 Yeah. Oh, dude, there was just something about experiences like that. There was something about like, I always feel like the best music was during my childhood, but I don't know if that stunts my appreciation for music as an adult. You know what it is? I don't think it's about it being the best music. I think my wife and I were talking about this. She's like an anthropologist.

Starting point is 00:11:02 When she sees like some teenagers like sitting on the sidewalk smoking cigarette, she's like, we need to study them. Look at them. This has been going on forever, you know. But I say, like, let's, you know, I'll do the drawings. But I think what it is, and we talk about it, is when you're a teenager or you're an adolescent, you're so alive in a different way for the first time from the childhood alive to like this, oh, this, now my, the way the world feels to me is going to be something

Starting point is 00:11:34 different. And when that music comes, it's like fucking imprinted on like this fresh. You know what I mean? There's no one is swollen at that age. Before that, you're kind of pulp and this is like the first time your piece of paper. But it makes sense, you know what I mean? Because I'm not, I feel that. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm not nostalgic.

Starting point is 00:11:56 I don't really care about nostalgia. Oh, you don't get into that. It doesn't make me, things are the way they are when they're happening. yes, there could be an aspect of something like, oh, I remember when I first heard that record, but I don't listen to like a record, like, I don't know, it could be anything. Even if it was from the 80, I don't know, something like,

Starting point is 00:12:18 Let's Active. There's a band from North Carolina, Mitch Easter. Let's Active? Yeah, loved Let's Act. Bring them up, I want to see them. But if I hear that, I'm like, I'm not back in my mom and dad's house. I'm like, oh, listen how cool that guitar sounds. You know, music has always made it alive.

Starting point is 00:12:34 the room wherever I am. Does it, yeah, it's funny because a lot of music, I think I immediately go back to place. I'm like a nostalgia junkie. I'm like this, I'm like a romanticist, like, let's go back in time kind of guy. And I think I miss out on probably a lot of like life and present moments sometimes like that.

Starting point is 00:12:52 But I don't know if I'm that upset about it. Maybe that's just who I am on this trip. No, no. I mean, I don't think that's necessarily, yeah. I mean, that's also just dreaming. Yeah, maybe it is. And I love, I just love, like, I think I just loved some of those years so much. I mean, are you kidding?

Starting point is 00:13:09 If I could, like, if I could dress like a, you know, 17th century French aristocrat, I would. You know, I'd walk around with the wig and the, like, pants, and I would, like, you know. Oh, yeah, if they had chain mail? And I would feel great about it. That's a little, yeah. But if they had chain mail, like, if you showed up to, like, say there was going to be people, like, there might be beef at this thing. Yeah. I mean, I think there was kind of always beef at those things.

Starting point is 00:13:33 That's a good point. Yeah, so somebody that showed up in chain mail was just like a dude like who showed up with like... The richest, most powerful people are the most unhinged, obviously. They're like, run him through. Run him through.

Starting point is 00:13:46 I think we're there now, dude. I don't think it's ever been any different. Yeah. I mean, I also think the resistance is always there. Yeah. I hope it is. You know what I mean? I also think the moral compass

Starting point is 00:13:58 will always show the way to what is right and what is wrong. And that doesn't have anything to do. That's just a fundamental we know what's right and wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you believe that, yeah. I do because I've seen it happen.

Starting point is 00:14:15 I mean, by the way, sometimes it doesn't come without a full on struggle. Yeah. Because I've been worrying about that a lot recently. I'm like, you have to, like, like, we got to believe that. morality wins, you know, somehow. Yeah, no, but, but again, these things are in a constant sort of struggle that keep going and going. I mean, forever. I mean, I know we like to think that, you know, it's all now, yeah, it's all our life.

Starting point is 00:14:48 That life was, you know, there was Victorian people and then crocs and airports, you know what I mean? But there's some other shit that happened in between your comfort and, you know, robber, Or whatever. But there is a constant line in it. You know what I mean? And so I don't know. What did they say? What's that Clint Eastwood movie where the...

Starting point is 00:15:13 Grit? No, it's one of the, but it's like a mid-70s one. But the guy who's like, plays like the Native American guy, he went in there talking about the troubles, he goes, we must endeavor to persevere. And ever since I was a kid, I was like, yeah. Oh, it's the outlawed Jesse Wales. That's the one. Oh, I've heard of that. I've never seen it.

Starting point is 00:15:37 Oh, it's great. Is it? Yeah. I'm going to check that out, man. The Outlaw Jesse Wales. Josie Wales. Joezy Wales. Yeah, and they just remade it, I think, actually.

Starting point is 00:15:45 No, don't do it. I know. Rarely have they done it well. It's weird. Why? Leave it alone. Just come up with something else. I think it's just to get people that saw it once with nostalgia to go get them to,

Starting point is 00:15:56 hey, come pay for it one more time. And just, you know, you. know it's not going to be that good, but there's a party that's going to connect to you. I don't really love musicals, but I love West Side Story. Yeah, I like Tewsies. I always did, you know? Yeah. And as a lyricist, one of the greatest lyrics of all time is in the Officer Crumpkey song.

Starting point is 00:16:14 When the kid goes, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived. And I was always like, that's like fucking Bob Dylan. I'm depraved on account and I'm deprived. I mean, it is one of the great lyrics of all time. But then Steve Spielberg remakes, what's that story? I don't get it. I mean, he didn't call me. He didn't ask my what I was.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Your opinion, but sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure. You know, that's Steve. He's going to do what he wants to do. Yeah, man. Yeah, I wonder if I had made something wonderful. Would I try and remake it later on? Like, I wonder what my desire would be in that.

Starting point is 00:16:52 I mean, that, I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't understand. that. Is there times like that in your career where you've written like music that you really thought was great or that had commercial successes or something? And then later have you ever been like I need to try and get myself

Starting point is 00:17:10 back into that space to write music like that again instead of trying to be like I'm writing music from where I'm at? No. That makes sense? Yeah, I hear you. But I'm not, I've always found it to be I don't know.

Starting point is 00:17:26 I've always found to be the most sort of fulfilling just to be in the moment, you know? Which is difficult too because you know, it's hard. You know, it's hard to, I've it's hard to remain in the dream place sometimes.

Starting point is 00:17:42 It's not hard for me. It's hard for everyone else because you have to deal. You know, I'm a husband. I have kids. You know, I've... Pets. I have pets. So, demand. There's so much pressure from the pets.

Starting point is 00:18:00 But the reality is I can't fully remove myself from the dream place or the muse or whatever you want to call it. Because I do understand that it's a very jealous entity and it will leave you. If you're not, it has to have its proper place. What does you're saying? The muse, you know what I mean? That creative spark. It's like Quest for Fire. Do you know that movie?

Starting point is 00:18:26 Ever seen Quest Fire? Dude, we have to have a movie night. I mean, you're missing a lot of Quest for Fire. I've seen, whoa. The best. I look like I'm related to one of those people. We all are. We all are.

Starting point is 00:18:38 There we go. I've seen, I think the first movie I ever saw was either like Jason Vorhees, like the killer guy at the lake. And then there was the movie, it was the guy where the guy, the older guy he has the Coke bottle and he throws it in Africa or whatever. The gods must be crazy. Yes. Okay, that's a pretty... And Cheech and Chong.

Starting point is 00:19:02 That was an early one too. That was like still kind of pop. And oh, look at this guy. My first movie, I remember watching my parents let me stay up and watch Lord of the Flies. Fuck, yeah. Nothing could be wrong with that. That kind of fits, you know?

Starting point is 00:19:18 I was like, cool. He'll like this. And I did. I fucking did. That's crazy, bro. Yeah, that's great, dude. Just like early influences and stuff, I love that kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:19:30 But the first movie, I remember, I always saw Patton, with George C. Scott, in the driver and movie theater in my parents' car. No, with them? Do you know that film? You know, because it has that music,

Starting point is 00:19:41 da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I've seen this. I have never seen the film. It's good, too. Oh, my God. It's an epic, like, psycho-general Patton. Dude, yeah, I saw, oh, psycho George C. Scott doing it.

Starting point is 00:19:52 I mean, he's really... I got a tab. and then, yeah, I'm just kind of out of touch with some films. I did just, I started reading All's Quiet on the Western Front last night. Amazing. And the original, both of the films, the original one is unbelievably good. If you've ever, you should watch it. That's the one that they remade that was like on Netflix or something.

Starting point is 00:20:14 That was great. But that's the original one. The remake is good? The remake was fantastic. Watch the original one first, though. Don't sell yourself short. Go to the source. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:27 But now here's a... It's incredible. It's incredible. Here's a situation where they made another one and it was good. But I guess it's not like a part two, though. No. And you're right. That is it.

Starting point is 00:20:38 That is it. They did a good... I loved it. I loved the modern one. But the original one is, to me, holds, like, the real magic of the thing. Okay. I did see the jury. What's that movie?

Starting point is 00:20:50 The jury? It's like... Twelve angry men? 12 Angry Man? Yes, dude. It's a big one. Louis C.K. told me to watch that, and he was right, dude.

Starting point is 00:20:57 It's great. Yeah. Yeah. So I appreciate it. I appreciate the recommendations. I don't get a ton. Like, I'm lucky because I'm old enough

Starting point is 00:21:05 that when, you know, I grew up in Atlanta, we had three channels and then we had channel 36 or whatever and TBS and they played fucking movies. Yeah. Because later it splinters off to Turner Classic movies or whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:19 But when, when there wasn't that, There's not that much content. Oh, there wasn't much at all. Beastmaster, remember when that came on? On TBS, dude. Beastmaster? They got those ferrets.

Starting point is 00:21:33 That's right. The ferrets. Remember this? Dude, that was crazy. Some white guy from WWF tickling a couple of pets. Dude, I was like, what is going on here? Yeah, really.

Starting point is 00:21:44 All those fantasy movies are really strange. Dude, I loved times like that. We were ride our bikes to go get the videos at the video store. And they had like those Wild West doors on like the titty area you know those? I'm a product of like the early 80s

Starting point is 00:22:01 you know VHS boom and my parents had moved they had made the regretful decision to move to the suburbs that's the worst blow in life you know what I mean in Atlanta if you moved from the city to the subs

Starting point is 00:22:16 well we had moved to Charlotte and then when we moved back yeah we were in town and then we moved to the sub but my parents also did This is at the ripe time of them really being too disinterested in my life to, like, edit what I was doing. So it was the great time at these stores of, like, the midnight movies and European movies. You know what I mean? And I had the fucking pick of whatever weird shit we wanted to watch. Like, I remember my dad seeing us watching a racerhead back then.

Starting point is 00:22:48 And he was just like, why are you doing this to your see? What is wrong with you? I'm like, dad, it's... We would watch... We would watch David Lynch's The Elephant Man like... Oh, yes. All the time.

Starting point is 00:23:03 You know what I mean? Like, it's not a... It's not a lark. Yeah, dude. This isn't a one time... Like this, we would like, play it again. You know what the fuck? Were you like an angry child?

Starting point is 00:23:15 Like, where do you... Because, like, music usually comes from like some feeling of youth. I feel like a lot of that blast off energy does. Like real music. Like, real music. like, real, like, you know, like, whether you're going to become a musician or, like, an anarchist or a peeping time, that shit comes out of your childhood, you know?

Starting point is 00:23:30 Yeah, yeah. Do you feel like that? Crime and art. Yes. Yes. Fuck, yeah. Vandalism and art. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:40 Yeah. There was the bad kid part of it. And I think that's always been associated with rock and roll, at least, in our case, because we just gravitorit. That was our shit. Like, we were into music. So now we're in a band and let's go. How do we get in the grown-up club to play? You know, we were kids, you know.

Starting point is 00:24:03 How do we get in there? It's like, well, write some songs, you know, get better. Get up there and do something. But it was, yeah, always the bad. Was your brother the same? I know because you're not a bad kid. I mean, he kind of is bad. And he was down for vandalism and shit too.

Starting point is 00:24:21 he's not as bad. He's down for vandalism. That has to be going his headstone on there if he ever passes away. Down for vandalism and shit. Occasionally. Sorry to admit it. It gets like more of, you're going to need another stone.

Starting point is 00:24:37 Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude, that'd be great. Two stones? Because you're just, because, yeah, there's a little more to tell about him. People don't get buried anymore, though. Yeah. Did you see that stat that, like,

Starting point is 00:24:48 they're like, where are all the bodies going? Yeah. Well, I mean, they're throwing them in Lake Lanier or something. I don't know. Yeah. Where all the ashes go where? I want to take me up the top of Stone Mountain. And I want you to throw my ashes all over those Confederate fuckers up there, right?

Starting point is 00:25:05 Dude, one of my friends who works at TSA, he said that, I was like, what's some of the things that have been left in the thing? Ashes. He said four times they've had people that left somebody's ashes and never came back to get him. Where's Uncle Larry? He's out of layover. Yeah, totally. I ask you to go pick up your uncle racist uncle Seth's ashes. What are you doing?

Starting point is 00:25:28 I fucking left him on the plane. Balk, they're in Salt Lake City. Yeah. God. But that's wild, bro, that it ends up like that. Like, I came online probably, like, as a human in maybe just like my brother listening to stuff, like, Dio, G&R, Black Crows, one of the early albums that he had. you know, watching him, like, move his body. Our family could never dance well, and he would kind of like,

Starting point is 00:25:54 and we shared a room, you know? And sometimes he would set his weights down and fucking put it on and make me watch him kind of, which was the first time he and I ever, like, kind of engaged. Listen, man, I'm going to put my weights down and I'm going to buggy a little bit. You're cool with that? That's never happened to me. It was kind of crazy.

Starting point is 00:26:09 But it was like... You know what? This is more of my... I'm going to take down this badminton set. Then we're going to have some canopies. And then you're going to all watch. me dance. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, a little different.

Starting point is 00:26:23 Yeah. A little different. I didn't lift weights. Yeah, he just like, yeah, but that was like when I first kind of came on with music and like watching it through my brother. It's funny. That was the way a lot of people got, you know, I didn't, I wouldn't have known about like my dad, my dad had like Johnny Guitar Watson records and Jimmy Reed records and

Starting point is 00:26:44 Bob Dylan. A lot of Moes Allison and all sorts of eclectic stuff, but more kind of, you know, stuff. But my neighbor up the street, his older brother, he had like all the Aerosmith records and shit. So we would like, and his mom was a dance teacher. So she had a stereo with this big loud speaker on it and we would get down there and fucking, that's where I was like, oh, I like Aerosmith, you know? Dude, yeah. A-CDC. Because that's the time you're around the neighborhood pool, you know.

Starting point is 00:27:14 So everyone at the pool would be like, back in black when that shit came out, it was on the radio every five minutes. You know what I mean? And you were like, damn. Dude, remember when the radio was like this omen and if it served you your song, it felt like a volcano had gone off just for you? It was exciting.

Starting point is 00:27:32 And we all had it in common. That was one thing too. That was one thing that I liked about. And you think all the records were good, but it was really just a promo guy getting like hookers and like stanks and lobsters to the radio program director to be like, fucking play this record.

Starting point is 00:27:47 And you'll get a BJ out of this. you know what I mean like all right I fucking love this record oh dude these guys are like back but turn or overdrive but even better you know like

Starting point is 00:27:57 and they have such a mix if you like BTO you're gonna fucking love these guys whoa yeah dude so many of those radio stations I worked as a tour manager one time for a guy

Starting point is 00:28:13 for a musician and we would go to this guy Josh Kelly actually he's out of Georgia as well he's from Augusta Georgia his brother Charles Kelly played with Lady Annabellum. But we would, I was as tour manager, so we would just go all around to these radio stations

Starting point is 00:28:27 and I'd have to get them like donuts and stuff in the morning and coffee. But you're right, they'd be like, at 11 o'clock today where I'm in lobsters, like, it's like listening for lobster. And you'd have like just some Muppets show up. Snow tires. You know what? When the Black Crows came out, I bought a lot of snow tires. I didn't know I was buying them till later in life when they show what you paid for because

Starting point is 00:28:48 you're the only fucking band selling like $6 million. you're like, who's got a new set of snow tires at W.W. Whatever in Bangor, Maine. You know what I mean? Like, oh, they fucking played Cheetahx Angels 150 times last week, you know what I mean? Dude, that's when it was more like a music mafia kind of thing. Don't get me wrong. A lot of good, a good song is a good song.

Starting point is 00:29:09 Yeah. And there's a reason that those bands, you know what I mean, that those bands are those bands. You ever had come out of the 7-Eleven or something and somebody had, cracked your windshield with a cane or like a one time a guy broke our windshield with a little baby cradle and what do you do well i wish i'd had car shield car shield partners with asec certified mechanics and repair shops around the country car shield contracts have low deductibles to prevent stress to your wallet at a critical time and to save on out-of-pocket costs on expensive car repairs.

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Starting point is 00:32:25 It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong. It's me. Of course. I mean, that one of a ridiculous question. I mean, I'm all, and that's your Christmas card, Rich. I'm older. I'm Sagittarian. I'm the lead singer.

Starting point is 00:32:40 It's me. Yeah. I don't know. I think, but I think. Like the things you really admire about him? Like my brother. I think is way better than me. I don't really size it up like that,

Starting point is 00:32:50 but the things I admire about him are the same things that, like, ultimately, you know, he's a, he's an amazing heart inside of him. And he's a really genuinely sweet person. He's very, you know what I mean? The other things I love about him, he's and again you know what I mean when things are going when you're kids and all of a sudden you're in a local band and then six months later you're selling millions of records and

Starting point is 00:33:23 everything's different everything has changed the pressure's on now you know blah blah blah i always knew my brother was talented i chose to you know we've we were writing these songs together we've always been the rich and i's composition or the is the engine for whatever the black crows are it's been that way since we before it was anything thing. But now I can, especially because, you know, we made this last record in Rich plays all the bass and all the guitars. And I'm like, dude, I've fucking sat in the studio with him since the first time when his studio is in 1987 or something. I've seen him do amazing things, you know, like beautiful music, inspired, dynamic things. But now I see

Starting point is 00:34:10 like, oh, wow, I really see it more than ever. Because I, I've my perspective of what he is isn't tainted by any of my bullshit, whether that's my anger, resentment, ego, shit, whatever. Oh, yeah. Ego's so dangerous, dude. And I could see it really now so much clearer that it's like, and by the way, when I say that, we live in a world, throw a, you're in Nashville,

Starting point is 00:34:43 throw a rock, hit a great guitar player, you know what I mean? there's so many talented people, so many talented musicians. And that is just the way it is, you know? But I really see my brother, I see his uniqueness, and I see how special he really is in that world of guitarists. And I've got to play with some of the best music. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:35:10 That's cool to hear. So lucky, you know. That's a nice thought. It's a nice compliment, too, I think. If you ask Rich about me, he'd say, he's all right. One of these. It's pretty good. How tough was it during some times?

Starting point is 00:35:26 Like, was there ever a part where you guys were like, not only were we not going to keep playing? I mean, I know you guys have a story throughout the years. It's been like, you know, I'm sure like with any brothers or with any bands where it's like things go apart, things come back together. But was there ever a part where you're like, shit, we might not even be brothers after this, you know? Yeah. I mean, like 2013.

Starting point is 00:35:45 was like the last black crows thing before we and yeah I mean we went a long time without seven years without speaking no way and would you have certain feelings sometimes like you wanted to talk to them or sometimes did that stuff get clouded by like resentment and stuff

Starting point is 00:36:06 because I've had moments like that with family members it was also kind of important to take the fucking kettle off the flame a little bit because sometimes those things and your work and your relationship, you know, and these, all of it was just, to me, like a kettle on the stove, just, no one's going to flip the thing, so it stops like, but I think he needed that too. So it wasn't, I mean, I was, I was, yeah, whatever.

Starting point is 00:36:37 I was ugly and mean, I lashed out when I shouldn't have, I should have reached out. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. I've held resentments that were only like and I was the only one thinking about him someone weren't even real that's the crazy shit Of course, of course, that's a crazy You think people give a fuck and they don't

Starting point is 00:36:55 You know what I mean? About whatever you're doing sometimes I mean I've been I've been lucky too to just Have whatever You know To keep it moving Yeah

Starting point is 00:37:08 It sounds like that And I don't I really don't like to It's exhaust you know I've tried to For better for worse not to be a liar in my life because the idea of telling someone a lie and having to remember

Starting point is 00:37:20 what the fuck you said that wasn't the real thing that happened or however it happened to you or, you know, everyone's truth is their own thing or whatever. But you know what I mean? They would be the same thing. Anything kind of fake or whatever. I'd rather...

Starting point is 00:37:35 I'm cool. You know, not everybody has to think I'm great. You know? But meaning also, I don't have to act a certain way to pretend that that's something that is, well, it's just not normal. It's just not, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:53 Well, a lie. I was just thinking of this as you were saying it, dude. I was like, your head kind of turns into like a library. I know that's kind of like a dumb play on words, but it's like now I have to go back in the show. Figure out what the fuck. I mean, that would be exhausted. Oh, dude, that was a lot of like, you know, like, I think I was probably lying to

Starting point is 00:38:10 survive. I don't even know what I was doing. Like for, I think for certain years my childhood, I was like, I don't even know what's going on. But like, I'm still alive. I'm gonna keep going. And then one day you start to kind of get a little bit better perspective of yourself.

Starting point is 00:38:21 And things start to adjust a little bit. Was it, was y'all's band always going to be the Black Crows? Was there ever anything else it was going to be? I know it had different names before that. Well, we were a band called Mr. Crow's Garden in Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:38:34 Yeah. Was it ever going to be a different animal, though? It was always crows. Yeah. I mean, maybe we, I don't really, yeah. We didn't want to, we liked being,

Starting point is 00:38:43 people just referred to your band. and like those guys are in the crows or whatever right so we i mean i don't know we liked that and that's why we kept the e in the name because mr crow was the guy's name in this book mr crow's garden um that this girl had in her dorm at the university of georgia and she showed it to me and that's just the way it was like oh yeah cool it's like psychedelic and like kind of 60s and we liked that aesthetic. But yeah, by the time, you know, I remember we drove,

Starting point is 00:39:19 there was a place called Rome, Georgia. Oh, yeah, I've heard of it. I think I did a show, actually. No, maybe I didn't. I've heard of it. Yeah, it's north, kind of east of Atlanta, I think. There used to be, I don't know if it's still there, a boarding school called Darlington or whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:33 My dad went there and my brother went to boarding school there, which is funny. And there was a little club there. and we had a gig and we drove up there and we had made our first album and we drove up there and I remember a van like we had a van

Starting point is 00:39:51 it was probably my dad's van or something he let us use fuck yeah dad we drove up there way to go big stand and we said it like by the time we fucking roll in the park and we're the black crows everybody hip to that like this is what it is we're the black crows that's what we are we go in

Starting point is 00:40:09 we fucking set up our shit we do sound check and we're playing jealous again, twice as hard like songs that would later you know that record would be... Yeah for sure. The band, we get offstage, there's a bar down the street, we're going to go have a couple drinks. The band that is opening for us

Starting point is 00:40:26 was like a dad and like his daughter and their like cousin or some family shit and they were like they set up and we were like, all right, like weird. So we come back where the black crust, we walk in the club. There's

Starting point is 00:40:41 the only people there are the dad, the daughter, and the cousin, and the band, and they're sitting at a table eating Subway sandwiches. And I'm like, we're the Black Rose. And we've played jealous again, and they're just, like, eating their sandwiches. They're like, three people, four people. I was like, oh, fucking hell, this isn't going well.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Those are school. And was at a school? No, it was at a club. Yeah, but just somehow they put these people on, you know, the family on the bill. The only way this story could be better is if they had been a Christian group but I don't know if that's that.

Starting point is 00:41:17 Oh, dude. I could only hope. One time there was a guy that was kind of hit me up. I don't know if he was a pedophile and he thought I was younger. Let's hope he was. Oh, for sure, dude. Because look, look, he needed something to do

Starting point is 00:41:29 in his older years, but maybe he thought I was young because a lot of times pedophiles all. He's like, I'm so bored. Yeah. It's time to commit a crime against all nature. But I'm just saying that like, because sometimes pedophiles will drive by and you be like, no, I'm 40, you know? Like they just don't, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:41:49 It's your hair. Yeah, and someone don't have good glasses. It's all types of things. It's eyewear. It's health care. It's a lot of stuff. The guy's not wearing his prescription. He's wearing the glasses with the big nose because he's on the sex offenders registry.

Starting point is 00:42:02 He doesn't want anyone to recognize it. Well, I miss the old pedophile that at least had like the peeping Tom, like the ladder hanging out of the back of the truck. Like the old pedophile was your family Like don't sit on Uncle Oscar's lap You know what I mean? They're like, why would they invite the pedophile uncle? He's like, kids want some quarters? Like, no, you know what we want?

Starting point is 00:42:24 We want justice for your victims. He's like, you fucking sick fuck, that's what we want. He's like, I got to roll a quarters in the middle of my pants. You're like, that's crazy. Who wants to dig for loose change? What fuck, you know. But dude, those are the back when they had pedophiles. It was just a different time.

Starting point is 00:42:42 I mean, now they have them, but now they're, like, rich people are doing it. Dude, I was thinking the other day, there's a famous character. It could be on Sunny and Share or Maud or anything, the guy who runs over in a coat. And, like, that's a character on movies and TV shows. He'd have a hat on, and he'd run over there.

Starting point is 00:43:02 That's a guy. Yeah. It was a thing that was on, you just saw it. As a kid on TV, I thought, hey, there's that guy, as if he was a colorful, neighborhood characters of it. Like a dude selling. It's fucking horrible.

Starting point is 00:43:16 Yeah. By the way, that's a Slash or Bizarre Raincoat people, which is a great band name. We're Flash and Bazaar Raincoat people. You're going to love us. I mean, really love us. Well, I'll tell you this.

Starting point is 00:43:33 I remember one time my uncle, I was in Atlanta, and I didn't really know him. It was like a girl. My dad had like a daughter from his first marriage. He drops him off over there. She had an Italian husband. who was like, send me out of work,

Starting point is 00:43:44 kind of had an advertising agency and played mariachi music at night, right? So he takes me to the wine shop or whatever because I think he wanted to go talk to a woman so he just dropped me off in there for a little while. A flasher comes up, a lady goes, I remember this?

Starting point is 00:43:58 She's like, have you seen my kitty? And I'm thinking like, I was probably 12 maybe, and I'm like, I'm in this store and I'm just looking at these big bottle, they had some big bottles of wine. And I was thinking, like, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:44:09 I don't think so. And then she just showed her body like that. at the front of her body or, you know, Cooter and Breast or whatever. And I didn't know what had happened, really. I didn't know if I was in trouble. Cooter and Breast. That's the new pub everyone's going to in Nashville. It's right over by donuts and dildos.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Yeah, there's a father and daughter. We don't go there anymore. There's a father and daughter there eating subway right now if you pull up. But that was a crazy time where I saw a flasher. In the liquor store. In the liquor store. Good. How old are you?

Starting point is 00:44:38 I was probably 12, maybe. That's a perfect place for you to be when you're 12. Yeah. Why don't you just wander around the French whites over there? Yes, those are Bordeaux. Yeah, that's a Pue Fouet, if you don't want. Yeah, yeah, but, you know, if you don't like the fumet, it's nice as well. I'll be back in an hour and a half.

Starting point is 00:44:57 Have some salted peanuts. Yeah. But fuck, that was the days when any other, any building that was open was kind of a babysitter, you know? Yeah, yeah. Parents would just drop you off or, like, significant people in your life. Dude, the day my parents realized, like, like, Like they could split for the weekend and, like, Rich and I probably wouldn't die. They were gone.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Yeah. Like, here, they would leave, put, like, this is an emergency $20 bill. Yeah. And then it would be like, there's two gallons of ice cream and steakums in the refrigerator. They had these things called steakums. And they were like. Bring them up. Those bitches were nasty.

Starting point is 00:45:31 Bring them up. Thin slices of some sort of steak. Every time you ate them, a dolphin died somewhere. By the way, I mean, hey, Post Malone. You should get Steakum on your face. That would look cool. You know what I mean? Who's got face tattoos?

Starting point is 00:45:48 Jelly rolled. Get fucking Steakam. Oh, he would definitely be good for Steakam. Yeah, sliced. Get the whole thing. You should get steak, um, not anymore, you know? Since he lost so much weight. Do that be crazy?

Starting point is 00:46:00 Steak, um, no, thanks. Yeah. No thanks. Dude, that's rocking, bro. At least on your neck or something, Steakums. Did you, um, oh, Steakums. Yeah, it is more of a neck thing than a face thing. I think we're getting to that place

Starting point is 00:46:14 where people are going to start renting out their body spaces for exactly for tattoos. Just people to survive. We're already at the place where, you know, a lot of people are selling their bodies on only fans and over their phones and stuff like that. So it's definitely getting to a unique spot. What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:46:28 They're selling their bodies. Just like selling sexual videos and stuff. Oh, okay. I guess that's not their bodies, really, you know? I mean, it's their souls, but whatever. Yeah. I mean, I'm just kidding. It might be more.

Starting point is 00:46:39 Just kidding. I'm not. whatever, it's the oldest profession in the world. I agree. And look, I've supported it, so I'm not, you know, no big judgment. I mean, to you, I'm glad you have a healthy relationship with it after the kiddie lady at the liquor store when you were 12. That's traumatic. I still try as hard as I can to remember what she looked like, and I can't exactly.

Starting point is 00:46:59 I can remember the outline of her, but I can't remember like the end line. And that's what I think I wanted the book. I didn't see her, but if I close my eyes, I see the green lady from Star Trek. Ooh, bring her up. I don't remember her exactly, but I believe... I mean, I know it's your... There she is. It's her, right?

Starting point is 00:47:16 Yeah, it was her. It was her, dude. Sorry. God, dude. But yeah, I definitely... I remember that. I'm trying to think of what else. Kids today, they have everything at their fingertips.

Starting point is 00:47:28 When we were kids, you had to wait till the Green Lady episode of Star Trek came on, which was probably only once or twice a year. Yeah. You had to play back a movie. You had to play back a movie, like, and try to pause it right at the spot where there's a part of a tit or whatever. Yeah. I mean, it was, you know... And you had to listen so hard for somebody coming in the front door because there's only one TV in the living room.

Starting point is 00:47:47 You didn't have your own TV in your room to touch your body to or whatever. No, to put your weights down and touch your body. Dance for your brother. Or myself. Or whoever. Once we got a mirror in my room, he didn't need me anymore. That was a crazy part. That's the worst.

Starting point is 00:48:04 It was the wildest, dude. And we had a late- It's good to, though. That's a good... You know, all of it is adding up, you know, the rejection of that. Deep wound. Oh, dude. And the beaver lady, kitty lady.

Starting point is 00:48:19 It was there. And you probably, did you ever work in a liquor store after that? You're like, this is pretty nice. No, we went to the shrimp in video, though. We had shrimp, we'd shrimp out of pound and come run a movie over there. Pat shrimp in video. And but did you have other movies other than Forrest Gump? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:36 Yeah, I don't know. It had 200 copies of Forrest Gump. And one copy in the back of Forskine Gump. which is a different movie altogether. Bro, I had no fucking clue you were this hilarious, dude. That's awesome. Thank you, bro. I was having a shitty day.

Starting point is 00:48:51 I know. Forskin Gump usually isn't in the press release before I show up. I said, you know, fuck it. You're drinking Sonic and shit. I'm like, might as well. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? After the whole fourskin thing, I'm not getting any fucking...

Starting point is 00:49:07 Who's going to have me? You know what I mean? Fourskin Gump, yeah. What did we get? What did we watch? I actually saw that on the spine of a porno in New York in the old Tower Records by Lincoln Center up there. To be honest with you, full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno section. I was obviously going around to the free jazz documentaries.

Starting point is 00:49:32 And no, I wasn't. But I saw it. They didn't have. Oh, is that guy in blackface? They did. Let's hope. again, let's hope it's worse than we could ever imagine. But they had all the covers off of the video.

Starting point is 00:49:49 This was before DVDs. They had all the covers off of them, but just the words in black. And there's a thousand words in my brain goes, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I've never forgot it. Dude, that's great. Yeah, I don't remember the first porn. I knew my, I saw, they had a stack of videos,

Starting point is 00:50:06 and I remember jerking off and blacking out. I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle them in any feelings, especially not that much at once. Yeah, yeah. And it was like, ah. Well, they say the first time is, you know. It's all you need. You're never the same, you know what I mean.

Starting point is 00:50:23 You're never the same. Did you have, because I knew you had experience with drugs and stuff over the years. Were there, did you try different drugs and thinking that they would help you write or create certain music? Was there ever any of that energy? Or is that something that, like, musicians even do, really? I mean, I, I've, I've, I've, I've, always done my writing.

Starting point is 00:50:43 I might be a little stone sometimes, but I've never did drugs to write. You know what I mean? So that wasn't a thing? But you know, like psychedelics there in my writing, but I don't take psychedelics to write.

Starting point is 00:50:59 All of it. All of it's in there. You know? I mean, I was a person fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never took drugs to blotto myself out. I always, I truly, and talking about

Starting point is 00:51:16 my romantic relationship with drugs and, okay, those lines can become blurry at a certain point in my life. But I always kind of knew what was going on. I was never into speed and shit. I mean, I was a Coke person and, you know, hard drugs. Yeah, that was my forte. In the 90s. But speed, thank God. Like, only few times I ever tried it, I was, it was just the worst feeling thing.

Starting point is 00:51:48 It just didn't go with my chemistry. But I, yeah, it was, I fucking love drugs. You know what I mean? I don't do them. I'm six, almost, I'm going to be 60 years old this year. And I love my life and my responsibility. And to do what I do, I can't do that. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:52:12 You know, it's to sing and sing at a high level, hopefully, to the workload is, you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit and get up and... Oh, yeah, dude, it's a different story as you get older. I'm in recovery now from drugs and it's like, yeah, dude, I liked it. And if they came out with a version that was better for you... They have it. It's called pharmaceutical cocaine. It's just really fucking hard to forget. Are you serious?

Starting point is 00:52:40 I mean, I tried it. I mean, it was not. It's on a hold. Yeah, it's on another. Look it up. Yeah, bring it up. Bring it up. Bring it up.

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Starting point is 00:54:05 all I can think about is a sea of red and gray pubic hair now that's all that's all I will go to sleep. Oh, yeah. So, cheers. I can't remember what she had. She could have had a cock on her.

Starting point is 00:54:18 I have no idea. You were like, you were just so shocked. I was so shocked that somebody would do this. I couldn't understand that there was nothing under a coach. This was in Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:54:27 This was in, yep, this was in Atlanta. Right off a, like, I want to say peach tree. One, not road, it was road, a circle, right, they're all peach tree.

Starting point is 00:54:34 It was like, there's a few. Something civil rights boulevard. It was something like that. It was a lot of action on it. That's every street. Yeah. It really was.

Starting point is 00:54:43 Do you remember a time when you got the highest you ever did in your life? Do you remember a time where you got too high kind of? Yeah, yeah, a couple times. A couple times I got too high. One time,

Starting point is 00:54:58 our old keyboard player in the Black Crows in the 90s this guy Eddie Harsh. Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene and Ed was really my drug professor. And he taught, me a lot about not just music and stuff, but especially, you know, the underground business

Starting point is 00:55:17 we were in at the time. This little native, huh? He's Ukrainian, actually. Oh, wow. Yeah, his parents came to Toronto after World War II. Oh, Canadians are good. But one night we were on the bus, and he had like a couple of bags of shake, fucking weed. And he, Ed, talked like this, man.

Starting point is 00:55:37 You know, he's like, man, I'm going to go get some brownie mix at the truck stop. I'm like, all right, all right. I don't know. He comes in the bus and he takes two bags of shake and pours it in this little thing of microwave brownie mix, and he mixes that shit up. He's like smoking a cigarette shit. And he put that in there.

Starting point is 00:55:58 And I was like, all right. I mean, I don't know. How fucked up can we get? And he put the icing on it. And he said, you eat half and I eat half. And I was like, I, then I was a. racerhead. You know what I mean? It was a nightmarish. It was either 10,000 days or five minutes

Starting point is 00:56:19 of complete mind-ripping hell of like the, I thought there's only death can save me. And I just, it was just done. I just didn't know. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, I'll eat half of it. It was the dumbest shit I ever did in my life, except the only worst drug experience that I was a kid and a kid at my school gave me some red man chewing tobacco, but just like a piece like this, I fucking put that shit in my mouth and my parents had gone out or whatever. Five minutes later, first it felt amazing. The stars were brighter. The world had a warm glow.

Starting point is 00:57:03 30 seconds after that, I can still taste the back of my teeth from throwing up. so horribly in my parents' bushes at our house. Yeah. In Jackson's Creek subdivision. Sounds like the worst CWT. Yeah, yeah, the worst CW show. This episode, you know, Skyler gives Jasperglamydia, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:57:26 Where did you get it? I don't want to tell you. I got it from Uncle Oscar. Yeah, this week, well, he's not my uncle, your Uncle Oscar. This week on Jackson's Creek. I could totally see it, dude. Fuck, bro.

Starting point is 00:57:41 Yeah, there was something about being in the neighborhood. There was something about doing drugs, dude. I loved it. I remember... I was scared of drugs so long. I didn't start until I was older. Dude, I remember one time doing some shit. Somebody gave me something supposed to be cocaine or something.

Starting point is 00:57:57 And I knew it was like a performance-enhancing drug, right? And this is the second time I'd ever... This is the first time I'd ever gotten it for myself. I'd done it twice, like out in Tucson. I was working as a bus boy, and people said it was like a performance. enhanceer, right? You will be able to clean these tables so much better than you were doing for. Wait, you dropped a fork.

Starting point is 00:58:14 100%. Yeah, right? 100% though. So I did this shit. I'm down in Maden Rouge. And I just start, I was like, well, I'm going to go for a good run. I'm going to get a strong run in. So I'm running.

Starting point is 00:58:25 I'm stopping and doing this shit. And at a certain point, I was, I just got, I got really squirled out. Like, I was afraid to run, right? But I was wearing umbros. Remember umbrose shorts? Yeah. I was wearing umbros and shoes and nose. in no shirt, right?

Starting point is 00:58:38 And I was like, oh, man. It's typical Louisiana men's wear. I get it. Typical. Swink on the train tracks type of energy, okay? You're like, okay. So I'm running right through like Tiger Land, which is like right around LSU campus.

Starting point is 00:58:53 And there was like a fence. And so I jumped in these, I jumped over this fence. I was like, I can't be, it's too many people who are out here driving by, jump over this fence and I'm in kind of like a backyard area and they had like a little bird bath or whatever.

Starting point is 00:59:04 And I remember I was drinking out of that bird bath when the people came outside. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? You're like I'm trying to get a tapeworm. What does it look like I'm doing? What do you think I'm doing? I'm just stopping for water. I'm ingesting water and bird feces.

Starting point is 00:59:21 So mind your own business. Yeah. I'm having an episode. I'm having a Hurricane Katrina martini. I was in Baton Rouge a few years ago. And I just, we went to, you know, get some cage, forget some food, some good food. It was a little bit out of town.

Starting point is 00:59:39 And at the time, I was with Camille and I, my wife, we weren't married yet, but I had a Prius at the time. I don't know. The shame. But I remember eating and looking out in the restaurant and I was like, man, I haven't seen a Prius since I got into Louisiana. It's all fucking trucks and fucking more trucks and shit. I was like, if we pulled in here in a Prius, they would fucking kill us. They would be, yeah, yeah, it's not. I mean, this was a while ago.

Starting point is 01:00:05 It's frowned upon. No, it's frowned upon. Maybe the Prius stigma's over there or something like that. I don't even have them anymore. I don't know. It would still be kind of frowned upon a little bit. But it'd be understood maybe, you know? I had one because I wanted to know what erectile dysfunction felt like.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Oh, yeah. So I got one. Yeah. And then I was like, this isn't so good. This isn't for me. God, dude. That would be my band name, probably erectile dysfunction over the years. You know, they say anywhere worth going.

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Starting point is 01:02:58 and important safety information, and we thank Blue Chew for sponsoring the podcast. I know that you had a, like, you're a Grateful Dead fan and that you guys have kind of crossed paths over the years. Yeah, yeah. And you've played with some of their musicians. Yeah, I spent a lot of time in the old realms of the GDs. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:21 Did you go to Bob Weir's funeral? I did not. I did not. I wasn't. Or were people even invited? to it? I don't even know how to say that actually. I mean, I'm sure they had a private service for them and then they had a public thing. Yeah, I mean, I was super, I mean, I was super lucky to, you know, rise to the ranks of so many musicians that I, that I've respected and loved. And,

Starting point is 01:03:47 you know, we were talking about Bob today and I was like, Bob's great, his great gift is his truly unique, truly outside the box musician. Somebody who just his whole, that's how he was. You know what I mean? Just very unique Bob Weir, you know?

Starting point is 01:04:14 Like no one thought like him or played like him or, you know. And that's, again, when you look at the world of music, full of unique characters, full of unique voices, full of talented, people sometimes troubled people what you know what i mean just the and then you have someone like bob who really stood out i mean that's what made the grateful dead so special um it's funny how things that

Starting point is 01:04:40 start off like that and then become sort of so popular with you know it starts off i mean the grateful dead start off as like it's kind of scary like art rock acid heavy acid you had to be pretty brave, I think, to go see the Grateful Dead in 1968. Yeah. That's a good point. Because you were coming out on the other side. You don't. I mean, like, ooh, there was no

Starting point is 01:05:06 micro-dosing, you know. Back then, you know, there was no cowards dose, as I call it. Like, guess what? A guy at Columbia University said I could take mushrooms. I'm like, what? Yeah, read this article. I'm like, what about all of us in the

Starting point is 01:05:22 fucking trenches for years? You know what I mean? What about us all over here who bought a cow? Yeah, what about all the brain damage we have? You know what I mean? I could have told you that shit. Oh, dude. No brain damage.

Starting point is 01:05:36 I'm just... No. But like what... But see that, you know, you said you like, Cheech a Chong. Think about it. Now we're talking about it. I took a microdust. I'm happy, by the way.

Starting point is 01:05:43 Don't take my... No, geez. Being sarcastic wrong. Whatever it takes to get you through the night to have a nice life and deal, I'm happy. But, you know, like, and Cheech a... Chichagua and he's like, he goes, that's the most acid I ever saw him at him and take. He's like, and he's like, oh,

Starting point is 01:06:00 he's like laughing out of it. He's like, that's the drug seed we grew up in. Like, go ahead, man. I hope you have like a month. You know what I mean? Look out there. Look at him right there. I want to see this, actually. This is great. Work you way up to these goddamn bananas, dude. Finkle steam, shit kid, son of a bitch.

Starting point is 01:06:22 I'll starch you off with the strawberries and working way up. He goes, what does he say? Bend and scoop. Hey man. Am I driving okay? That's in Malibu on PCA. Is it really? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:40 I think we're parked, man. Yeah. That's perfect. People don't even realize how much that scene has been used in other movies since then because of that scene, right? It kind of goes back to like what we're talking about earlier. That's false advertising that.

Starting point is 01:06:54 I always, my favorite shit in the whole movie, though, is the thing I always, when he's like, yeah, these are waiter uniforms. He's like, yeah, man, we want to look the same, but different,

Starting point is 01:07:04 you know, like a band, you know, like, it's a fucking, anytime, you know, someone's like,

Starting point is 01:07:09 yeah, they, they look like a band, you know, it's, yeah, I know Curtis, man.

Starting point is 01:07:14 Oh, I don't even remember that. My brain's a little bit bad sometimes. I think I had an am, or, or, fuck, I don't know what it's called.

Starting point is 01:07:24 Good. At least it took away, whatever it's called. Yeah, kicked in the head by a mules. That's what it's called. Oh, okay, wherever your brain has if something's wrong with it. I think I got that, bro.

Starting point is 01:07:33 You're like, yeah, something happened to my brain. I got kicked in the head by a mule. Was there an artist death over the years that, I mean, I know that's a weird question, but was it like, was there, yeah, was there like an artist death that you feel like had the most effect on you as a musician kind of? Or just as like a human being, I guess?

Starting point is 01:07:51 I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, but probably my personal friends who have passed away who are a great musician. have always affected me. Todd Schneider passing away, dear friend. Bring up a picture of him. Special, special person. Freak in the world.

Starting point is 01:08:14 Lovely, lovely person. I had a very special friendship with him. Very sad. But like big people that I don't know or whatever, like when Prince died, I was... Dude. Because I grew up, I mean, I... fucking love Prince so much.

Starting point is 01:08:29 Prince heard a lot of people. Like, I remember a lot of my friends being a lot more shocked than I thought they would when Prince died. I thought Prince would have got a little more murals and t-shirts, but it looked like David Bowie got all that. You know, and I love David Bowie, too, but I was like, I just, I mean, Prince, ever since I, you know, I grew up in Atlanta when I was, like, before I got into, like, rock and like sort of punk and indie rock scene.

Starting point is 01:08:59 I played a little high school basketball and I was obsessed with funk P-Funk records George Clinton but I was there like ZAP Gap Band, SOS, slave Prince, the time, Vanity Sixth. I was like Rick James I loved Rick James man as a matter of fact I have a scar under here

Starting point is 01:09:25 Rick James is playing the cool jazz festival at the old Atlanta Fulton County Stadium and my dad knew a DJ at V103 FM which was like the funk station so this is kind of all before like rap music takes over and I had tickets to go

Starting point is 01:09:42 to go see Rick James and Cameo who I mean Cameo was the other one that I loved and Frankie Beverly and Mays was on there a bunch of R&B bands. And my friend had got a bottle of vodka, and we got so fucked up the day before that I jumped in this,

Starting point is 01:09:58 my parents found me in the neighborhood swimming pool in the shallow end with my, I jumped in and my chin was cut up and I was bleeding in the pool and people were like, get the fuck out of the pool, man. I was 15 years old. I was like, I don't get out of the fucking pool.

Starting point is 01:10:10 You get out of the fucking pool. I mean, I'm out of my mind. And I look up and there's my mom and dad or my brother, and I had missed basketball, like spring basketball practice or whatever. My dad's like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you bleeding in the pool?

Starting point is 01:10:23 I was like, what? And I got in the car. And I was just like, hey, another thing. You guys know that Rick James at a hovercraft? He fucking does. I mean, I'm pretty sure he does.

Starting point is 01:10:35 Whatever, I'm just drunk. My brother's like, you need to fucking smell like booze and you need to shut the fuck up. I'm like bleeding. I go get stitched up. I go home, I pass out. My dad fucking kicks me awake at like fucking five in the morning. I have a full grown-up.

Starting point is 01:10:50 Hangover. It's five in the morning. He's like, we're going for a run. Damn. We fucking run three miles. Stan? It was like the great Stan Tini. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:10:59 We run three miles. I didn't throw up for anything. We got to like the last 50 yards. And he was like, man, you know you're not going to that fucking concert today. I was like, God. Damn. He said no. He said, you've fucked up yesterday.

Starting point is 01:11:12 What do you think? What do they do? Guilt me? What do you think your mother things? I'm probably happy that I'm safe at all. So they never let you answer that. What's done is done, father. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:25 They never let you answer that. So I never saw Rick James. Did you want, that is a bad one? Oh, dude, one of the first shows I ever went to Smashing Pumpkins. Actually, my buddy and I had a pedophile that dropped us off at Marilyn Manson. We were underage.

Starting point is 01:11:41 We're probably, I think, 14, 15. He dropped us off at Marilyn Manson at the Rendon in over there in New Orleans, which is pretty wild. but the first country You have like an exorbitant amount of petos in your neighborhood You know that right We were kind of kids who were like

Starting point is 01:11:56 Looking for like people to be around And so I didn't Who's around or like creepy dudes I'll take you guys Yeah Yeah totally So it's always like oh we you know And you don't realize

Starting point is 01:12:05 They're just a cool guy Then you get older And you're like oh that guy He was 37 hanging out with us Yeah You know smoking pot and fucking You know trying to tickle Hey I'll wait for you guys

Starting point is 01:12:14 In the parking lot Trying to tickle everybody Yeah Horrible. It was crazy. Dude, the craziest part was, though, my best friend Scott, his dad knew the guy who was like the pito guy, this one guy, Mr. Richard. So I would write letters from Mr. Richard to my buddy Scott and mail him to his house all the time. That's fucked up. And his stepdad was, that's good shit too. I get it. I like the, you know, you're just. That's the shit I love, bro.

Starting point is 01:12:40 I know. Just the psychological torture. Yeah, I get it. And his stepdad would be like, oh, you still. talking to this motherfucker and he'd come and just throw the fucking mail right at him. And they already had the worst relationship. And he didn't know, right? No, yeah. He's no idea. He thought it was the real guy.

Starting point is 01:12:56 No idea, dude. I'd send him like four Christmas cards every year from this dude, bro. Because when you're a pedophile, I bet they fucking love Christmas, I bet. You know? I mean, yeah. Because it's just an old dude stopping in and getting, fucking relating with children. That's all it is. Dude, we see, look at the old Christmas pictures.

Starting point is 01:13:14 Your parents took you down to some guy. some drunk in a beard and you sat on his lap he's like, you know what I mean? I'm sure if Scub, boy scout, boy scout guys are

Starting point is 01:13:26 Pitos, then the Santa guys there had to be one, one or two. It's like, oh, we went to the Easter bunny. I know the Easter bunny had an erection.

Starting point is 01:13:36 You know what I mean? How could you tell? I could just fucking tell. You know what I mean? And it wasn't about pagan rabbit fucking. This was real. No, this is real.

Starting point is 01:13:46 Yeah. God-given. Yeah. Blood to muscle erection. Yeah. The science of the thing. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. That's great.

Starting point is 01:13:54 Somebody's a peanut problem, and their friend is just the scientific guy. It's the science of the thing. You know, it's a scientific thing. You've gotten open and have opened for you, like so many amazing groups. Is there like a tour or a part of, like, your music or I guess even, maybe your musical life that you would go back to and redo if you could, kind of? I know you said you're not a good. go back guy.

Starting point is 01:14:17 Yeah, it is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, again, I... And I've had the opportunity in life if I've made... You know what I mean? If I... If there was something that I felt what... That I was involved in when...

Starting point is 01:14:35 That was rude. I don't know, whatever. I've had the opportunity to tell people, man, I'm like, that was fucked up. You know what I mean? Whatever. I mean it. I mean it. I wouldn't say it if I didn't.

Starting point is 01:14:46 mean it. But I don't care to change anything. Right. You know, they say, what would you, what's your letter to your younger self? I'm like, I don't know if that would have meant anything. That's a good point. What younger self would give a fog? You know, it's funny because I was saying the other day, like, I love Stephen Tyler. He's been supportive. He's a friend. I'm always there for him. And I was telling the story when we sold a lot of records on the first record, he called me and goes, save your money, man. And I was like, I'm 24. I'm not saving my money.

Starting point is 01:15:24 Like, I love you. And I appreciate the wisdom because you've been through it all in this business. I've made one record. You know what I mean? Like, I did appreciate the advice, but I was also like, I'm a, I, no way. No way is this. I'm not just made the first record and had this success. and now's the time to play it safe. You know what I mean? I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense to me.

Starting point is 01:15:51 That's a good point. Did you get something? Do you ever get something that was pretty wild kind of? Like something cool? No. Like a skull or something, like a human bone or whatever? I mean, someone gifted me a human skull later. That was through weird Grateful Dead stuff.

Starting point is 01:16:08 There was no members of the Grateful Dead's. It was like at a parking? Like a trade? No, no. Somebody gave it to me. But... And was it of a fan or something? My extravagance

Starting point is 01:16:19 has always been the same. I like clothes. And I like travel. I like to travel. I'm obsessive. I'm obsessed with food. I'm obsessed with cuisines from my travels

Starting point is 01:16:35 and around the world. Like grapes and stuff like that? Food. Just the food. You know what I mean? Yeah. A lot of my downtime when we travel is based around food. So that's a bit bougie. But really all I spend money on truly is books and records.

Starting point is 01:16:57 You know, I've been collecting records since I was 12 and books as well. So it's just a giant cluster fuck of, you know, I moved out of my parents' house in 1987 with just cases of records and boxes of books. And it's still the same thing, kind of. Yeah. But yeah, I'm not a car guy. Yeah. I don't have like rare guitars and shit.

Starting point is 01:17:20 Yeah. Yeah, I don't really like, I don't really spend money on almost anything. I kind of, I care about it. But I guess you're right. Like getting to go places I'm realizing is a little bit more important. I was just in, um, have you been to Oahu? No.

Starting point is 01:17:34 Maui? I was in Kauai once. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I went to Oahu. They had like a surf competition going on. It's like a real one, you know. Not like the Brady Bunch. Right.

Starting point is 01:17:46 But yeah, they had this competition was going on. Amazing. But it only happens if the weather permits. So like each morning, you kind of have to get there and see if it. And hope that the conditions are. Yeah, and hope that the conditions are cool. But it's pretty incredible just to... When I go to the ocean things, I like to go to Jamaica.

Starting point is 01:18:03 I have a lot of... You ever see Diplo down there? I think he has a house down there. He's a DJ. I've never been in. invited. I'm going to tell them. I'm kind of in the country too.

Starting point is 01:18:13 I, a place called Bluefield. It's been very. Bluefields, Jamaica? Bluefields Bay, yeah. In Westmoreland and Westmoreland. There's Bluefields, yeah. Actually, I stayed at that place,

Starting point is 01:18:27 the second one to the left. Yeah, I stayed at that place. No way. A long time ago. Wild. But the hurricane was brutal there. Brutal. Brutal.

Starting point is 01:18:38 It was really sad. But Jamaicans are incredible people. So that's your place if you choose to go to a beach at your spot. I like to go to Jamaica, yeah. I like Jamaicans. I like Jamaican food. Bananas and meat. I like sweet soaps and sour soaps.

Starting point is 01:18:55 And I, there you go. Oh, that looks good. We have a Jamaican dog that's named Bami. Because of Jamaica, we eat a cassava root that's kind of deep fried like a hash brown. It's called Bami. There's a piece of Bami. So that's kind of the color of our dog when we're, found her. She was a street dog in Jamaica.

Starting point is 01:19:12 Oh, did you ever meet that guy down there, McAfee, that virus guy? You ever meet that guy? When I go, I've been going for years. We always just take off to the country. You know what I mean? Just chill. I like my, I have like really close people there. The most soulful,

Starting point is 01:19:27 incredible people. And we just fucking play dominoes and laugh. There's Bami Longface. It's our Jamaican dog. That's a nice animal, huh? She's the best. She has another name The perfect one

Starting point is 01:19:41 Do you always been an animal lover? I like Yes I like I'm a yeah we have a cool cat too Yes I love I love pets I love having pets But I didn't have like

Starting point is 01:19:55 Rabbits and you know Guinea pigs and horses you ever own No I love horses I don't ride But I love them Yeah my wife's a horse girl I'm not good on them I've done it

Starting point is 01:20:09 I mean it's fun I like to I like I would be I wish I'd grown up um we didn't do shit in my house that's why I was busy watching all these weird movies

Starting point is 01:20:19 and getting weird and listening to records you know what I mean I did play little league football and I did martial arts when we were kids and played basketball you know what I mean

Starting point is 01:20:28 I did shit like that and when I was a kid you know and I liked to fish when I was a kid oh fish is fun huh I haven't done it in like 40 years 50 years I don't know really have done in that long? Who took you fishing?

Starting point is 01:20:41 My racist Uncle Bruce. Yeah. Yeah. Because my dad did really give a fuck about fishing. Yeah, sometimes. I didn't know he was like that then, but I liked it because we would go down to Florida and do saltwater fishing and then being in Georgia, we would do bass fishing and stuff. It was fun when I was a kid. But I haven't done shit like that forever.

Starting point is 01:21:03 Yeah, so many of... Too busy reading Jean-Carteau. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One more question about music, and then I want to hear a little bit more about your new album. And the new album, it's called A Pound of Feathers. The band made a record called A Pound of Feathers. The band, in this case, was just me and Rich, in our drummer, Cully. In this record, we went in the studio without any songs. We just had some ideas and riffs, and we wanted to do it that way.

Starting point is 01:21:33 We wanted to do something that was more spot. and on the fly really and see where that took us. So we ended up... My joke with friends was we could have done it in five days if we had written any songs, but it took eight or nine days or whatever. For the whole album? Yeah, yeah. It was beautiful.

Starting point is 01:21:53 You know what I mean? We were on a roll. I mean, Rich has parts, and I'll go and have like five or six notebooks full of ideas. But that doesn't mean anything either, because a lot of times, I'll just pull things out of the sky or whatever. No matter what the world changes. We're talking about buying snow tires

Starting point is 01:22:18 and blow jobs for program directors at rock radio stations or whatever. The good old days, Reaganomics. Yeah, and you could sell some fucking records too. Yeah, that was fucking Reaganomics. For us, it's always like, that was just a part of, like, the the business that was a J-Says

Starting point is 01:22:37 to what we loved and wanted to do playing in a band and it's funny because all these years later we realized that making records we're not going to be we're not going to have we're not going to sell married records we're not going to sell any records but this is what it is

Starting point is 01:22:55 but for us to get in there and to know you know and to feel that way and to realize like look man when we got started we didn't know of shit except we knew what was authentic and real in our hearts and what music meant to us

Starting point is 01:23:11 and if we're going to join, you know, when our first record came out, I'm like, dude, we're in, look, you go in a record store and there's Black Crow's records, but there's John Coltrane records, you know what I mean? Brian Adams. Litter Cohen.

Starting point is 01:23:25 Yeah, right, and other Canadians as well. But, or whoever, you know, the multitude of things that we loved and the time, you know, how important records words where, that we're a part of something meant something to us. It still does. And that we can still have a vibrancy about what it is we want to do and say. That we can have those moments where I'm sitting there and we're writing these songs and it works. And I don't care if it works,

Starting point is 01:23:56 again, in another construct. It works for me and my brother because we started writing some songs at mom and dads and, you know, here we are. Yeah. And now our songs are in people's lives and that kind of thing. But that it's still fucking energy that I like, that I can look around and the fucking darkened time that we're in and muster the vibes to make something and feel this is what I want to say, you know.

Starting point is 01:24:27 My poetry doesn't have to have any message other than it's humanity, other than, you know what I mean? Yeah. And the connection I want through the things. things that I've done, the things that I am, the things that I dream up, my imagination. You know what I mean? I always laugh because do you, do you, have you ever seen Barton Fink, the movie Barton Fink, the Coen Brothers movie? No, I might actually, I think I tried to watch it. Let me see a picture of it. It's John Tituro plays this guy who goes to L.A. It's a movie about

Starting point is 01:24:57 writer's block. It looks just like a razor head. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. But there's a scene in the movie with a writer. He befriends another writer who's a southern guy and he's kind of I guess based on like William Faulkner or something was in California. I don't know. But he has this real, Barton Fink's really passionate. You write for the common man and how do you, you know, how does, where do the words come from that you could communicate like that? And he's a drunk, the other writer and he's from the south and he goes, well, Barton. I like to make things up. And I was like, that's it.

Starting point is 01:25:38 You know what I mean? Like, it kind of is what it is. And it's the same things. I don't have a toolbox at home, but I like to write and I like to, you know, I like to dream. And this is a dreamer's paradise. I've made my own reality out of my limitations

Starting point is 01:25:58 as a like fully functional, like, person because of whatever the way my mind works. And it helps if you sing good, whatever. You know what I mean? And you like to get on stage and keep people interested. And, you know, there's a bit of the old, it's like Bob Dylan says,

Starting point is 01:26:16 I'm a song and dance man, you know what I mean? So I'm that as well. Yeah, it's a, dude, the other night a girl was talking about her music for so long. Then she got up and sang for me and it was some of the worst stuff I'd have heard. And I'd, like, for 70% of our time together, I was there with her.

Starting point is 01:26:30 And then it fell apart in that last 30%. So I think the sharing it, you're like, the how you share it is right. But I do think it's interesting, like it is a dreamer's paradise. And one thing that you don't want to lose, like,

Starting point is 01:26:43 no matter how bleak time seem or how dark certain things that are going on, is that we have to stay creative, right? Like we, like, as much as it hurts or as it's tough or it's like, it's not easy to sit and do to think of like, oh, I can be creative right now. I think if we lose that,

Starting point is 01:27:01 then that's going to be really bad, you know? Agreed. Agreed. I mean, and that's, again, I think the inspiration of all of these things we are seeing have all been played out before. We've seen it. And the reality of that is, is we've seen who, you know, we'll see this come to some sort of look.

Starting point is 01:27:25 Like I said, who knows between then and there. Yeah. But I refuse to, I refuse. to allow defeatism to rule my life. I refuse to let the fear and ignorance of the whole thing dictate my

Starting point is 01:27:47 every fucking thing. You know what I mean? Because I don't know, because I think you had, like you said, you have to. And I'm... And we can get addicted to the new. You get addicted to that stuff and then it takes over your time, it takes you of your life. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:02 And it takes your flame down and it takes your flame. And you're like, what am I doing here? It might be, I mean, it's not even escapism to me because I need to, when we were talking earlier about how I have to keep my head or I have to devote myself to whatever the thing is, it's the muse that keeps my creative energy where I want it to be and what it means. in the exact same respect, if these things, these things cycle through people,

Starting point is 01:28:35 yeah, it's proven again, you can't stop. You know what I mean? And I don't know. I feel like, I feel like, you can't, again, I'm not, I don't want to put my head in the sand because that doesn't help. Yeah. But I do realize,

Starting point is 01:28:54 that were on the beach. Oh, yeah. Well, I do realize, too, that there's a lot of footprints on the beach. You know what I mean? People have been coming to this beach for a long, fucking time. We just kind of have to remember that as well.

Starting point is 01:29:09 That's a good point. I mean, you know, people romanticize and they, in any time in history, tyrants and people who are kings who have become deranged and, you know, the abuse of power and ego and all these things. And you can see what happens.

Starting point is 01:29:32 You know what I mean? You see what I mean? It goes for a while, but then it's over because humans don't play that. If there's like a song that we use when we ride in a battle, say this has to happen, right? And we won't put you on a horse or me. You and I'll be in the back. I'll be the met. I'd be catering.

Starting point is 01:29:52 It'd be better for me. I don't know. Can I still get a medal? You know what I mean? At least you know the catering will be like very enjoyable. Yeah, you know what I mean? Sorry, sorry El Camadante. That's the wrong white wine with the Brandzino.

Starting point is 01:30:09 Do we, what song do we listen to when we're riding in a battle, do you think? Maybe it doesn't be like the perfect song, but what's a good one, huh? Well, it's definitely not onward Christian soldiers. That doesn't have a good beat. I can't dance to it. I don't know. Would it be? It's the long way to the top

Starting point is 01:30:30 if you want to rock and roll by ACDC. That might be a good one. Yeah, play that real quick. I want to make sure that I'm on the right one of that. You had it. I did? Okay. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 01:30:44 So many things immediately I'm back in my bedroom, dude. Watching my brother dance. Fucking good sounding guitars. That's good, man. Thank you so much. What about your new tour? Can you tell us like, obviously it's tougher touring now? Is there anything that's super different about it? There it is. Oh, Whiskey Myers. That's right.

Starting point is 01:31:11 I saw you guys at Ascend, I think, like two years ago. And then I saw you in New Orleans like, I think it might have been the 90s probably or no. Maybe 2000s. Yeah, I mean, many times. This tour is going to be super fun. You know what I mean? They're a little bit country and we're a little bit rock and roll. And we're a little bit country there, a little bit rock and roll too.

Starting point is 01:31:32 Got to work on that chorus, Donnie and Marie. What the fuck? Yeah, I mean, touring, you know, I still love it. I still think there's a lot of adventure to have. And it's the same kind of some of the things we were talking about. There will be someone I never met. They will be, you know, we have a good time. It should be fun.

Starting point is 01:31:53 Yeah. Touring's fun. It's called playing music. It's fun. I It's hard sometimes when you get older And the crowd is You know

Starting point is 01:32:06 Telephone People's phones Put up sometimes a wall Between what we want to put out And what we want y'all to pick up Oh that's a good statement You know Because now it used to be like this

Starting point is 01:32:21 And now it's you know What? Oh yeah Or Oh Yeah Instead of really feeling in the music and hearing the music

Starting point is 01:32:29 and seeing where that could take you. That being said, I don't police anybody. You know what I mean? Like, y'all do what you want to do. I'm so happy that you bought a ticket no matter how you get there, what you do when you get there.

Starting point is 01:32:46 That's up to you. I'm just saying that as a guy who's spent this fucking lot of time on stage. You know, and I'm the type of performer who I need it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I need something back.

Starting point is 01:33:00 It feels good. That's when stuff ceases to... It just flows all together. You know, and those are the shows and the moments that aren't hard. You know what I mean? Yes. And those are the ones where it's like, oh, this is beautiful. This is everything.

Starting point is 01:33:20 And that we have that more than we don't. Yeah. But I don't know what you're saying. I noticed that even when I've done that, and I noticed how it feels. I went to see Aerosmith on there, when they were playing Las Vegas when they had the, this was like maybe three, four years ago.

Starting point is 01:33:34 Yeah, yeah, their residency there. Yeah. And there was one time when Stephen Tyler came right over by me and I was like trying to get my father and I like miss this moment. And I still just feel bad. I still think about, man, what was I doing? Like, what was I doing?

Starting point is 01:33:50 So instead of just, yeah. You just should have let the quick silver that is Stephen like envelop you as he went behind. Oh, I still, yeah, the best, dude. Chris Robinson, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. I appreciate your time.

Starting point is 01:34:04 Thanks for all the music. Thanks for all the excitement over the years. Yeah, just the time to get to come see you. Me and my brother still talk about the crows, so we still listen to it together. So thank you so much, man. Thank you, man. Tell your brother, I said, hey.

Starting point is 01:34:16 I will, dude. Does he have big muscles? No, no, but he's a smart guy. And he's kind of like your brother, I think. He's probably this sweet. I think he's like the sweeter one of us. Or this, he's a sweet guy. But like a, just like he's a nice guy.

Starting point is 01:34:30 So tell Rich I said hello. I will, of course. He'll love it. Thank you, brother. Cheers. Now, I'm just floating on the breeze. And I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone.

Starting point is 01:34:44 It's that ground. I'll share this piece of mind I found I can thin my bone.

This Past Weekend - #645 - Chris Robinson

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