This Past Weekend - #648 - Vince Vaughn

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Starting point is 00:00:22 Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. Austin, Texas, I'll be doing a show there, April 1st. That's coming up soon at ACL Live at the Moody Theater. And I'm just prepping my material for my Netflix taping. And so be grateful to be down there to be one of the last times to see the Return of the Rat Tour. Tickets are on sale now at Theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. If you can make it.

Starting point is 00:00:57 Thank you for your support. Today's guest is an actor. He's known for just being that figure, that humor man, Wedding Crashers, Swingers, Dodgeball, Rudy. And the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice, is on Hulu this Friday, March 27th. I had a great time with today's guest, Mr. Vince Vaughn.

Starting point is 00:01:23 So do you have a place there? Yeah, cool. I've actually been thinking about moving recently. That's cool. I know, I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of scared. I'm always scared. You are?

Starting point is 00:01:48 Well, when you make a new purchase. Yeah. I don't like to spend any money on anything. I just like to kind of keep it somewhere. Well, you also think like... Until the devil takes it or whatever. Yeah, right. And you also feel sometimes, I think, like,

Starting point is 00:01:59 this is, you know, you kind of know what you have and how that works. And now, how does this change your spending and what you're doing? Because you always feel like, well, gosh, what happens if it goes away? Yeah, one of my friends said something to me the other day about buying a house. He goes, well, you could invest it in the stock market or you could invest it in a home. He's like, you can't live in the stock market. Right. And that was kind of interesting to me because I was like, oh, yeah, well, at least if you put your money into a home, then if it's going up and then you're living in it while you have it.

Starting point is 00:02:28 That's right. I mean, there's ways to look at it because I kind of looked at it because I was, I never was educated any of it. So as I made money, I started to figure it out more. But I started to look at stuff like what makes me money every month and then what costs you money every month. And so a house is kind of both because you have your property taxes. Yeah, especially here. And you also have your mortgage if you do and the stuff that goes with it. But it can go up in value as well. So I started buying rental properties that I could rent out for that reason because it was tangible and I could make money every month off it. The market, I never

Starting point is 00:02:59 studied it. But I guess if you do the S&P, I mean, I never spent my energy on that. But a house, I'm like, this neighborhood's nice. I think it's going up. Okay, I'll buy something here. Like trusting your instincts about that? Yeah, because you're more exposed to it. Yeah, that's true you're driving through it or something you're seeing things. Yeah, like the old thing was like, this neighborhood's not, these neighborhoods are good. Now this one's not. Okay, I'll buy there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:20 Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so. But then you got to balance it with what you enjoy in your life. You want to be happy where you're at. Yeah, you want to get something like, I don't know. I always hate, like I never really want to invest in myself. I'm just like a saver.

Starting point is 00:03:32 I remember I would save my money. I would bury my money in the yard. I was that kind of it. I would go to people's homes and hide a fucking pirate. Oh, that shit. You got a fucking treasure master. I'm not even joking. They had these like crown royal bags when I was a kid and it was like the purple one with the gold.

Starting point is 00:03:47 I don't remember those. And I would put my money in there and I would hide it in different places. I would hide it at friends who had better security in their homes. Did they know? No, they had no idea. I would hide it there. Dude, we would steal people silverware. We went to their house like we were doing like this little things we'd seen like home alone.

Starting point is 00:04:04 Mrs. Jones and got like a napkin and shit. Dude, I would find out it's not silver later. Oh, for sure. Go to the pawn shop and argue. with somebody. It's sterling silver. Did you ever go try to dig it up and couldn't find it? Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:04:18 That's good. I always knew exactly where it was. That's good. I would check on it, that kind of stuff. I was a big barrier, like burying stuff to make sure that it was okay. My grandparents had a basement growing up, and so I think that kind of added some mystery. Basements always added mystery. Big time.

Starting point is 00:04:32 And it's scary. Yeah. Did you have a basement or no? I did. One time I went to, everyone left the house. I was home by myself. I thought I'm going to watch a fucking horror movie in the basement because that was double scary.

Starting point is 00:04:41 and I turned off all the lights in the house because I really wanted the experience. I wasn't good at watching horror. I would get pressured and I do it and I play it cool, but then I was fucking terrified. I didn't like, my imagination was too strong. And I remember I turned this thing on and I was watching. It was the evil dead.

Starting point is 00:04:56 You ever see the evil dead? And I was like, that's fucking it. I got to a point where I had enough. And so I got up to run to get the lights, but I hit a pole and I went down. And then your mind's really playing tricks like, this is it, it's coming in. But I kind of crawled, got my life.

Starting point is 00:05:11 lights on turned off the movie. I turned on every light in the house. But yeah, basements are, well, they're a magical place because they can't be a place of discovery too. Right? I mean, good and bad happens in a basement. Oh, yeah. Well, I think they had, like, those cellar doors

Starting point is 00:05:23 when you realize that, like, because I never put it together for the first, like, few times those are my grandparents. It was just a basement, and then was these outside weird doors that, and then, like, find. You mean, like the cellar, like, you had that little light come in

Starting point is 00:05:34 and you knew you were underground? Like the outside had a little hole area. Well, they had, like, like, these. Like, did y'all have some of those? Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah. So those, the fact that those doors would open up and go down in that little staircase. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my grandparents had a garden. They lived. They grew up in Illinois and so they had a garden. Outside of Peoria, just a small town out there. Yeah. So. Yeah, from the area. You're from the area? Well, I grew up. My family originally was, you know, Virginia, my dad's side and then Kentucky, but ended up in Ohio and then my dad was a salesman. So we ended up in Illinois, yeah. Oh, nice. What did he sell? Toys. No. Uh, super cool. You just had toys around the house a lot? Yeah, he had a lot of toys.

Starting point is 00:06:14 He'd give me, like, samples and stuff. Yeah, samples were the best, dude. If your parent was selling- Because you were kind of a head, right? Yeah. I mean, you had a bunch of something. I mean, I don't know, you know. It was weird.

Starting point is 00:06:26 Like, I had one friend, his dad's old Oakley sunglasses, so he fucking would have, like, three pairs of Oakley's on, like. Crazy. Yeah, what kind of toys do you all have just kind of milling around? He became a manufacturer's rep. He did well. He was the first to go to college in his family. And his dad had like a 100-acre farm and would work in a steel mill.

Starting point is 00:06:49 But my dad was the first go to college. So they kind of moved us to better schools. That was their thing. We kept moving to get to better schools. But we weren't prepared for that because I didn't know what a tutor was. Like no one had a tutor. So we moved to an area that was more academic and exposed to stuff, which was good. But he sold like – I love that.

Starting point is 00:07:08 I don't think he sold this. He might have. But I love that evil-coneval stunt cycle. when I was a kid. But he sold like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah. And like, yeah, that was fun and shit. And then he had like, God, he had like these little, like, like those kind of bathubs.

Starting point is 00:07:24 I guess it was in the toy section, but not bathtubs, swimming pool. But it was just a big plastic circle. Remember those outdoor? Yeah, were they hard ones or the soft ones? No, they were just like these. The rigid ones? Yeah, but they would just be in the backyard in the summer because no one had a pool. And then he sold gloob toys.

Starting point is 00:07:41 whatever they sold, yeah. Pull up that stunt cycle for me, can you? Evil Caneval. Did you ever have that? I don't think so, dude. That was so cool. You'd pull the thing and then it would take off. Oh, that thing?

Starting point is 00:07:53 That thing was dope. Dude, yeah. He was jumping shit and never making it. Yeah. But you were like, you would watch and why world is sports. And they say he's going to jump Snake Canyon and then he would crash and he couldn't move.

Starting point is 00:08:05 Well, I read somewhere that... There's a deer devil. Not that then deer devils were popular. Oh, they had, well, that was a crazy thing. Yeah, look at this. There's a commercial for it. Yeah, so dope. And it never did the shit it did on the commercial, dude.

Starting point is 00:08:17 No, bro. Nothing ever did. Remember when they were first coming out with shit that flyed? It never did. You know what I mean? And I wasn't good enough to, I was never, I always needed an uncle or someone to put it together. I wasn't good at putting stuff together. Were you?

Starting point is 00:08:29 No, I would take it all out and I'd get furious or whatever. Tom Sawyer. I'd get someone that could do it, help me. Oh, I see. So you were extortionist. Wow. I was just, you know, I'd do certain things for them or could help. I needed help with this.

Starting point is 00:08:42 You know what I mean? I knew my limitations, Theo. I'm trying to think of what we had. We had Rambo. Rambo was dope. We had... I played with toys until I was older. I played with toys young.

Starting point is 00:08:52 I love toys. Did you? Yeah, I'm trying to think of what toys we had. I'm just trying to think about it. Oh, the wrestling figures was huge when I was a kid, dude. Super huge. I played with Smurfs, too. Did you ever play with Smurfs?

Starting point is 00:09:03 We would watch Smurfs, but I couldn't understand it. They'd have those collectibles. We had the collectibles? You had the collectibles? Well, they had like, those little smurf you'd buy. But looking back, I don't think the smir age as well. They didn't do it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Gargamel was just weird. I think he got a little. One lady, Smurfette. They only had one going down. And there was, so yeah, there was sort of bring up Smurfette. She was kind of, she was cute, but she didn't have enough. She had a girl next door going. She didn't have enough body on her to me.

Starting point is 00:09:32 No. No. But none of them did. Yeah, you're right. That's a good point. But what was Gargamel doing there? I don't remember. He was just a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:09:40 Yeah. but it seemed a bad guy. More than that, that it may. I've seen it. They say that there's like a whole, like, dark kind of thing behind it. There's some stuff with Smurfs being really bad. Oh, really? I think so.

Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, there's some... Like a conspiracy thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's all those Disney had the secret Cox in the movies. Remember that old thing? Yeah. And they did, by the way. Did they?

Starting point is 00:10:00 I think that you could find those. Everybody just looked at it. Did you ever smoke cigarettes? Oh, yeah. Remember Camel? Mm-hmm. They have that weird stuff on the camel cigarette. It looks like a guy, I think, who's naked or something.

Starting point is 00:10:11 Right? I don't know. Put up, get those camel cigarettes. Remember, you could make out the outline of a guy. With a wiener? I think so. I think if you look at it hard enough. You look at anything, you'll see a little bit of cock. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:25 If you mill around a gas station, you'll get up there and see it. Dude, you spend 40 minutes at a gas station, you'll see somebody's cock. Let's see. Look at, his hands are on his hips like this. Same shit here. Let me see that. Looks like, yeah. Right there we go.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Wednesday. Yes. That ain't shit. I'm telling you, that's something. That ain't an accident. You think that's a guy with a... Dude, just bring up.

Starting point is 00:10:47 I think that's just a dude stand in a... No? Dude, there's a picture of a guy smoking like, oh. I mean, I'll tell you this, though. If that were like 15, 20 years ago, then yes, we would all think that. Now there's just...

Starting point is 00:11:00 Did you ever hear shit too? Like pop rocks and Coca-Cola make your stomach blow up and all that? Yeah, or don't kill a B-Shon or whatever is you give them to them? Yeah, totally. Oh, yeah. You were bored.

Starting point is 00:11:09 We didn't have the internet. We were making... shit up, bro. We were hearing like Rod Stewart, had to get a stomach pumped. Don't you hearing all that? Oh yeah. They said Richard Gia was like working for a, like, like, like, had a hamster. You had a hamster? I don't think that's true. I don't want to discourage nobody. But I think this was the stuff going around. Yeah, but that was a great rule. That was Camel cigarettes, had some fucking naked dude on it. That's, that's what was in the news. That's a, that was the news, baby. That's crazy. I do miss when they had more imagination,

Starting point is 00:11:33 though, even like you're saying, that was something interesting. You said, like, when you were in the basement, your imagination, if it was big, it could be a blessing and a, curse because it could really create the darkness too. I think a big imagination is both. But yes, I think if you have a great inner life, like would you talk to yourself a lot? Oh, yeah, I'll be harrowing. I'll be like, you're a piece of shit. I know.

Starting point is 00:11:53 Sometimes good. Occasionally sometimes, like, Merry Christmas. I remember one time that's so good. I remember one time leaving a situation with older kids and not loving the exchange. And I was kind of walking my bike back. I was kind of talking out loud and playing different sides of the conversation. and there was one of the boys had happened to leave at the same time, and he was behind me, really hearing me kind of have this conversation.

Starting point is 00:12:18 So then I kept talking, but staring it with a different kind of point of view to kind of hide the fact that I was just working out out loud. Like I kind of saw him, but I kept going, but steering it in a place where I felt more comfortable with what I was saying. Like just making up things that made sense that would have made it justifiable to him? Yeah, or not seem as nuts. Oh, dude, one time me and my friend We got in a fight or something in a ditch

Starting point is 00:12:43 And with some other kids And then we were riding our bikes leaving And I think we got the fight was pretty even But we kind of went to like high five like that And our hands got kind of stuck together While we're riding our bikes So it just looked like two dudes Just like holding hands up in the air

Starting point is 00:13:01 And proud of it Yeah, bro, but it's... Everyone should see this. It seemed like we're like a couple of Harvey Milk fans Just like leaving a speech Triumph it. Yes. We seemed a little too try.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Like, and our hands got locked, and we were riding our bikes with the other hand, just holding our bikes up, both riding the same way. So we couldn't let them go. So I'm sure to these dudes, it looked like, oh, these dudes are a couple of zest lovers. Well, really, you were really wanting

Starting point is 00:13:22 to not damage the friendship over the fight. Yeah, we were overly connecting and making up for the fight. Well, the kids we had fall were down the street. Oh, so you guys were celebrating how you did. We were kind of celebrating. Well, I don't think we did that great, but I think we just went to do a high five.

Starting point is 00:13:39 Yeah, you were in it together. No one ran. Right, and their hands got locked. So I'm sure they looked and they're like, oh, we just beat up these two gay kids probably. And I'm not saying that, but that could have been what they said. You don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying it was. I know what they were thinking, and that's probably what it was.

Starting point is 00:13:51 It was, I think, like, dang. Yeah, dude, I, I'm super nostalgic. Yeah. I try to, I can be, but you got to move on, too. I think it's good to reflect on that. I think it's good to be where you're at. Yeah. Both.

Starting point is 00:14:07 When you were in college, did you like live in the dorms or anything? I never went to college. Oh, you didn't at all. Did you? Oh, yeah, I went to LSU. I went to, um. Oh, I got a lot of friends who went there. My father called to Charles.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Hugh Hayden. Oh, I know Hugh. Dude, I met you with you before. Hugh's my guy. Is he still alive? Yeah, dude. Fucking Hayden's the greatest, isn't he? Oh, bro.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Yeah, you could. I go down and watch the games. I'll go watch LSU with him. I always have fun going to those games. Yeah. Could have been. He's a great guy, Hugh. Hugh knows everybody.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Oh, he knows everybody. He's like the glue of New Orleans probably. And the better than Ezra guys. Kevin Griffin. I see him a lot. He has a big festival over there in the Pilgrimage Music Festival that he helped start. Yeah, Hayden was friends with all those guys too. Oh, dude, you met Drew Breeze? Yeah. He's a terrific guy. Oh, wow. Yeah, because Hughes friends with, I got to meet a lot of those guys. Hayden is, you know, obviously friends with a lot of the Saints and stuff too, and Mickey Loomis and those guys.

Starting point is 00:15:01 He was friends with all my ex-girlfriends somehow, which is interesting. But he was the best-looking guy that had. I mean, he was a good-looking guy. He makes friends with, yeah. He's That's good. Yeah. Look, I don't know if they're just friends. I don't know. I'm insinuating. I think it's all groovy.

Starting point is 00:15:16 I don't think there's any strings. But I'm just saying it may not have just stayed like they might not just been sitting down playing canasta with each other. Yeah. It's totally true. They may not just be hooking up and playing rummycure. I know. There might be some connections going on. Yeah, I'm sure.

Starting point is 00:15:31 Hugh was just like, yeah. I mean, everybody knew him. I just texted with him yesterday. Are you really? He's a good guy. I love you. So you guys keep in touch a decent amount. I do.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's, well, it's just so fun down there. It is fun down there. I was supposed to do. Did you think about going to, when you left here? Did you think about going there? Oh, going back to Louisiana.

Starting point is 00:15:50 It's a little too slow down there sometimes, you know? How much did stand-up way on were you relocated to? The ability to get up? That's a good question. It didn't. I was doing like a tour. So at that point, most of my sets, I was like going out of town and doing like four nights and then coming back, like, we'd go out.

Starting point is 00:16:10 So most, I wasn't getting up and practicing as much, as much as I was just doing a tour. So you would go take out on a tour material that you hadn't workshopped all? Oh, that I had. But it was like this tour, and the tour ended up going for like three years because we kept finding more markets to go play. So we'd play like smaller and smaller markets.

Starting point is 00:16:27 So you would change the material slightly, but you kind of had your base and you're just hitting areas you hadn't hit. Gotcha. And it was growing. I was performing like four nights week, but I was just on, it was like in venues and like, as opposed to just doing practice sets. How does that get as you get older, the road that way, that kind of longevity?

Starting point is 00:16:42 Is it something you're still excited about, or does it become more of a job? It definitely becomes more of a job, and you have to take more breaks. I didn't realize it, you know? Because you got to fill up your tank. Well, yeah, yeah, you got to fill up your tank. Recreate. Recreate. Oh, I burned out a few times. Do you bring a crew with you, or do you go solo?

Starting point is 00:16:59 I took a tour manager, a couple other comedians, and then we'll bring, like, a, for some of the venues, we'll bring, like, screens and a truck. We have like one. Are they people you enjoy and spend time with? Yeah. That's good. You need that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:12 Yeah. But then that can become unhealthy too. Spending too much time with them? Well, yeah. I mean, you kind of become a circus and it's good because you have each other. But then you kind of are so with each other so much. Oh, yeah. You get a like family fight type of energy.

Starting point is 00:17:25 You need a break sometimes too. Yeah. I guess as you get, do you choose films based on now with you want to work with your friends? Well, I have kids now. So once you have kids, that really becomes your priority. I have so many great friends that I just don't see that often because we're on different cycles. You know, their kids are at different ages than mine or live in a different area. So the family is really, and your kids become the calling card.

Starting point is 00:17:50 You know, it's always funny. I thought about a movie idea with this, which is when your kids are real young, there are a lot of work. Like me and my wife didn't have any help. It was just me and her, which I – Really? Well, that's how I grew up, so I liked it like that. As they got older and I would leave for movies, we'd have people who kind of can help her driving and stuff. But I found that like you're so desperate to have other people that have kids your age

Starting point is 00:18:15 because it's a lot of work. So when the kids get to be three or four, if you meet other people with kids the same age, you can hang out, you know, have some, have a glass of wine, whatever, and the kids play together, so that's nice. But all you really have in common is your kids are the same age. And then it feels like a good idea to go on spring break with them. Because that's easy. You can put the kids, can do stuff together, and the parents. parents could hang, but then you can realize that you have very different parenting styles. Have you been in some situations like that? I think everybody has. It's sort of funny, but you're like, is that guy going to tell his son to stop hitting my daughter? Am I going to have

Starting point is 00:18:49 to say something? You know what I mean? Like, or is that guy's way too. That guy screaming at his son. He's an inch from his face where these guys are getting super drunk and falling down in front of their kid. You know, so you just don't know until you go on that trip. What the parent with, what the parenting and how they roll. But, you know, you're, you kind of hang with them. and I'm sure, you know, everyone feels that way. So it's sort of something you start to hang out with more people who have kids in your area because your kid's schedules are dominated in your time. Way more than you would hang out with friends that you had in common through comedy or through other stuff because...

Starting point is 00:19:22 So it's all the kids. It's all the kids. Yeah. Have you ever been shocked if your kid picks a certain friend? You're like, no, that's not the kid. I kind of let my kids... I mean, I give them kind of a baseline of things to look for, and then I let them make their mistakes and go. through it, but I've been fortunate. My kids, you know, both have pretty good friends. I like,

Starting point is 00:19:39 they handle themselves well. I get nice reports that they treat kids. Good. Yeah, I get text all the time or we'll hear stuff saying, oh, your daughter, uh, walked my daughter out of this situation and was nice to her. So that makes you feel good. But yeah, I think it's not as complicated as people make it, Theo. I think it gets overcomplicated in a city in L.A. if everyone's competing to get into the right school. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But I think if it's just a basic idea of how you go about handling stuff, you kind of attract people that share those ideas. But if you're competing all the time, I think you're kind of going to get in a bad situation. Is your, uh, did you choose a good wife? I did. Yeah, she's from Canada. She grew up on a

Starting point is 00:20:21 farm. Dude, that's where you got to get him. You're so funny, dude. That's where you got to get him. The way you said that was like, that's a secret code. Well, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm definitely looking to Canada. Even further, I'll take something that's, you know what I'm saying, They're still on ice. How far are you going? I'll take a freaking Inuit. I'll take something that's in the freezer section. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:20:41 Something that hasn't been thawed out by some of these desperate ways of America, you know? I tell you, it's, you got good of bad people everywhere, for sure. But I definitely look for somebody who, you know, I like their base values and how they handle stuff. I think that goes a long way. Because a lot of parenting is problem solving. Yeah. Working with each other, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:02 And they have good posture up there in Canada. You notice it had the best posture. I haven't noticed that. Watch Canadians when they go by. You could barely even see them. They're so... Interesting. Just horizontal, longitudinal.

Starting point is 00:21:13 You'd be even a little surprised. You don't seem like African's with that, like, you know, carrying shit on their head. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you remember that? They always have a basket. Carrying... Walking around real casual. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:23 Because their posture was great. Oh, yeah. And someone would even, like, if the ladies would get pissed, they would be like, mm-mm. But... Not a freaking melon would fall out of the basket. Oh, just the ladies would be pissed. I remember I went to South Africa a couple times and you would see a lot of people walking

Starting point is 00:21:37 and that was how they would travel to stacking on the dome. I never been to South Africa. Oh, so nice. You liked it? Yeah, because there's just so much going on, you know. Yeah, just like it's beautiful and amazing and there's these beaches and there's all this insane history. Were you there for a vacation or work?

Starting point is 00:21:54 I went there one time to Johannesburg to do a comedy festival. I went once when I did this thing called Semester at Sea where you like went as a student like on this boat and we went there. Yeah. You ever go somewhere for work and then say, I want to come back when I have some downtime to hang? That's cool. That's the great thing about our work is you get to travel.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Yeah. I find that to be a great education. Oh, yeah, for sure, dude. Going to Vietnam or whatever. I'm trying to think of some other neat places. Yeah, what's a place that you filmed in there? You were like, wow, this kind of blew my mind. Even if it was an American city.

Starting point is 00:22:25 Yeah, there's been a lot of them. I mean, I remember going, you know, as a kid, getting to go to New York and actually living there was a big, very, very, very, different for me, obviously, than I lived there for a while. And you were acting then or not? I was, yeah. I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until work took me there. Like for us, a vacation was in a, you know, we would get in a station wagon. Where would y'all go? We tried to Florida or Arizona. Dude, Florida. You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up on sugar and shit and you're crowded in and you try not to get in trouble in the back. But we didn't really, you know, we would, we would drive most places for spring break. I never left. I would, I had relatives

Starting point is 00:23:01 in Canada from my mom's side. So we would go up there. But I never went to Europe ever. Yeah. Until I had gone for work. For sure. Did you? No.

Starting point is 00:23:13 Dude, we didn't even know about Europe. The guy, the janitor that drew the map on our, like, cement at our school, left out three states of it, dude. So there was like, people were like, what is that happening? How does that happen? They just, you know, they probably. What were the states? You wouldn't know, because they didn't put them down.

Starting point is 00:23:31 Yeah. Well, I think it was somewhere, some of it, I think Maine, I knew that Maine was missing. I didn't want to call him out because I felt kind of bad for the guy. But anyway, yeah, so we weren't going to Europe, dude. I remember Canada, they didn't even have it when I was a kid or whatever. They had like a picture. I remember in our classroom, they had America. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:48 Because it was very, everything was very American, then very like, we are America. And then they had a picture of a wolf, like chasing a boy. And that was Canada, like chasing a cold boy. and that was like what we thought was going on outside of there. And Florida was the greatest place you could go in the world. If somebody went to Florida and they came back to school and a shirt around said, Florida, you were like, oh, man, you killed it. They are so rich. Totally.

Starting point is 00:24:12 That's nice. You guys would drive all the way from Illinois down to Florida. Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio. I go see my grandfather, had a little farm. What kind of animals did they have over there? He just had cows. He just had cows. I remember.

Starting point is 00:24:28 I like cows. They're warm. Yeah. I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade and we were studying the pilgrims. And, you know, the pilgrims were all in black and white. And so when I, we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather. I never saw them much. But when you get to the smaller roads, they're like this narrow. You know, there's, you can't get around. There's just two, two lanes. And those country roads are smaller roads. And we were behind Amish. I'd never seen Amish people. Oh, yeah. Never knew. Time travelers are probably. I thought they had. were pilgrims. Wow. So you had a bunch of kids in black and white in the back of the carriage, you know, kind of staring at us. Like you couldn't break eye contact because they're looking right at you.

Starting point is 00:25:10 They're fucking slow, bro. They're not moving. Like this horse is not excited. And we're sitting behind him. We had like a Lincoln town car or something. My dad was driving. And it was so slow going. And I remember going, why won't these pilgrims get out of our way?

Starting point is 00:25:24 And my dad lost his mind. He pulled the car over and took my head off. You're no better than these. people who are you to talk like that about someone. But he didn't realize like I really thought they were pilgrims. Wow. I really thought that that was a pilgrim because I hadn't had a slur. I couldn't even understand. Of course. What? These people live in not touching electricity. You know what I mean? But my dad's great and my mom, but they were real keen on, you know, making sure that you were, I think because they moved me to a nicer area. They were real big on making sure I wasn't, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:53 feeling better than anybody. But I think he got that one wrong. I think he thought I was making fun of these Amish people. I didn't know what they were. Yeah. You're like, this could be Christopher Columbus's children or whatever over here. And they just, you know, they're all hopped up on cheese curds and they're slowing down. They're slow as fuck and we can't get around them. Dude, that's hilarious, bro. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:26:12 that's kind of what we had in our classroom. We were super pro America too. Everything was. It was taught in that way. The Pledge of Allegiance. Hell yes. I liked it. Me too. I liked it. By the way, I love it. I did too. Yeah. Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing you had in common. It was like, at a certain point if you don't have anything in common, if you take away things that people have in common,

Starting point is 00:26:30 then they don't have anything in common. I still feel the same way. I still feel like it's the best out there. Not that it's perfect. There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't think we even, I don't know how much control everyone even has over it, but I still love the idea of it. Well, a lot of people are going to homeschool now, too. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. There's more parents have switched to homeschooling now than even during COVID. I did some of it. You did it? My daughter in first grade, we did it. I did some, you know, I put it. But that's easy to to teach, though, dude. Travel to the hard. I didn't teach her. I had a lady that was good. Yeah. But I get a curriculum,

Starting point is 00:27:02 you know, and then I'd have a pick, pick a curriculum that I like that lady. But the first year, she was by herself, which she'd look at me when I'd leave her in the classroom, like, fuck this. No one must be sitting by themselves. So then I found a public hybrid school where she would go two days a week. And then I moved her to a local Catholic school. And now she goes to a big public high school and she's doing great. But for all the same reasons, you start looking at this stuff and figuring that you want to try to give an education that is not so drowning and beating them down. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:36 You know what I mean? Not really exactly. I mean, let me think about beating them down. Well, meaning everything was taught from a place for a while, like pointing out everything bad and you can't say this, you can't feel this way, or so much guilt education. Yeah. Oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way. And so I didn't, I thought it's just too heavy.

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Starting point is 00:31:20 crypto is risky and can be volatile, so do your own research and trade responsibly. Where are you at with marriage and kids? I don't have a marriage right now. Someone that you are serious with? No, but I would like to get there, so it'll happen sometime soon. What's your process for that?

Starting point is 00:31:38 That's been the problem. I just haven't really, I've been working so much that I didn't really focus on it much, but now I'm trying to focus on it more. How old are you, if you don't mind? I'm 45. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:47 So I'm growing and down. I'm not going to die soon, but I'm in it, you know. No, you got time. I think the thing that happens is, is we're so focused on the career and it takes up so much time. And it's easy to put that to the sidelines. But then as you get older, sometimes the joy or the things we got from the career aren't as high as they were. And you start to look at family and the idea of it and say that would be fun.

Starting point is 00:32:11 Yeah. So you take kind of the same approach that you take towards your career and you start to put those ideas on meeting somebody. Yeah. And then you start to work at it in the same kind of way. And I think my opinion, sometimes what are the things I'm doing that are good, what's not good, what's a good thing to bring to a relationship, what's not working on yourself in a weird way, you'll come in contact with somebody, more than I've got to go to the right class or go out during the day. It's more about doing that kind of work on yourself. And then I think you'll kind of attract somebody in a similar mindset. But I would say, don't put it off.

Starting point is 00:32:50 Just focus on it a little bit. In the same way that you've done with your career. Did you have to do that in your like? Yeah, I got to a point like you did. And I thought, at first I thought, you know, maybe you don't get all the cards in life. Like maybe I was so not focused on this. Right. It just doesn't work out.

Starting point is 00:33:04 Now I'm older and I wish I would have gotten started sooner. But then I thought, you know, I want to ask God for those years back. Like I can get those years better than I would have had them if I want, if I'm asking for him now. because now I'm wanting that. Does that make sense? Yeah. So now that you want it, you say, why can't I have it now and whatever way it looks for you at 45? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:26 Well, yeah, I think you're right. I think the more, I just keep realizing it's not me like, because sometimes they're like, I don't really want to go out or go do this thing or something, but maybe I'll meet somebody, right? And maybe I'll, but then it's a lot of times I'm still meeting somebody with the same kind of, I'm showing up with some of the same problems that I still, that have prevented me. I think you're right about instead of like out there metal detect and maybe stay home and work on the magnet a little bit.

Starting point is 00:33:52 But I think do it with grace too. You can say, you know, I don't want to do this. This would be better. What do I look? And also I think you go, what do I want in a person that I'm going to be married to? What do I want and what don't I want? Like just thinking about it. It's almost like the same as a stand-up.

Starting point is 00:34:06 What kind of venues do I want to play? What kind of podcast? What do I want to do? And by making those decisions, you can manifest something you're excited about. Yeah, I think I've a good mom. That's what I want to have. A wife, that's a good mom. That's probably the number one's that. Yeah. Did your wife have to introduce you to her dad or whatever, like they do in the movies or whatever? They were kind of, I met them pretty quickly. I did call him and Samman to ask her to marry, and I think he was appreciative of it. But they weren't as much like that. I was raised like that. Yeah. Were you? No, dude. There was like a lot of domestic abuse in our area and people like hiding drugs in each other's, you know, bad.

Starting point is 00:34:45 rooms and stuff like that. So it was more... Those are relationships that aren't going well. Yeah, pretty much. Right. But I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family. Yeah, yeah. I would like to have like a family, you know, I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they go to bed a little bit. Show me a normal family. I'll show you a liar. Everyone's going to go through their bullshit. You know, no one's like fucking killing it. You know what I mean? Everyone's got their shit they fight about. There's days anybody's

Starting point is 00:35:07 mad at anybody. So that's never going to go away. You're just trying to aim it a little better. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just shoot a little bit. a little bit. I just want my era to end at least in a different area. Yeah, yeah. But dude, yeah, I remember one time we were so mad at our mom and we were like crying, we're all crying that we try to like put all of our tears in like a little jar and we're going to take them to the police and be like, look what's happening at the house? But they won't stay in there. Like in the morning they were gone or whatever. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Yeah. But I remember that. Were you real tight with your mom? No, we weren't that tight, but we're tighter now.

Starting point is 00:35:40 That's good. Yeah. I just went and surprised her for Valentine's Day the other day. That's nice. We had a nice time, dude. You have brothers and sisters? Yeah, I got a couple brothers and sisters. Close? It's gotten better over the years. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:51 What about, what do you got? Same. So older sisters. And you were the boy? I was the youngest, yeah. And they were older sisters? Yeah. No.

Starting point is 00:35:59 Did they ever have friends come over and you were just like ogling or whatever? God. Or when you put on a ticita? They were like five or six years older. Dude, that's the best. I would sometimes get thrown under the bus to look cool for the older friends. You know, like you'd hang out and play. And then when the older friends would come, you weren't included.

Starting point is 00:36:14 Oh, like, Vince get out of here. That's normal shit. Yeah. Go hide, Vince. Yeah. Did they call you Vince? Or did they, what did they call you? They called me, Vince, if they weren't mad at me, then they call you anything.

Starting point is 00:36:23 We would fight's like crazy younger. Like, you'd be hot and then you'd be friends and you love each other. You know, like anything. Yeah. You'd really go at it when you go at. Did you have this? Sometimes when you get in a fight with your siblings, it's really like a game of tag. You'd be so pissed and you'd hit somebody.

Starting point is 00:36:40 But then you'd be afraid because now you got them. So then you'd turn around. I'm mad. And now they try to come to get you really. bad and you were trying to get to the door to shut it. And then if they got you, it would go the other way. So it's like whoever got the other one hard last is kind of how the fights would go. Yeah, and when so they already brought it to mom and then seeing kids run around their

Starting point is 00:37:00 mom is one of the funniest things, you know? Like they're hiding. It's so funny when you watch a kid with their mom sometimes and they're just like, you know, they're moving in between the moms. Like they're just running or, you know, they're all like, are they're fighting around the mom? That kind of shit's fun. Or even how kids play hide and seek.

Starting point is 00:37:13 Yeah. Like an ostrich. Their ass will stick out, but their head will be behind. Carton. You ever seen kids play hide and seek? Oh, dude. Sometimes a kid will just sit there and cover his eyes. He was laughing wildly.

Starting point is 00:37:23 Yeah, dude, we could see you, dude. Thank God there's not a kidnapper after the kid. Yeah, we didn't have, I think we had some, we had a decent amount of, like, they used to have a law that they would put, like, if you was like a sex offenders or whatever, children, sex offenders, you had to go around and go door to door, right? Which was the worst because we all, we lived at, our mom was working, so it would just be, these guys would come and they'd be like, I have to let you know, I live in the area, I'm a sex offender, it would just be us kids.

Starting point is 00:37:46 I live in the air, I'm into super young guys. Just letting you know, mom. But mom would be gone. And that was like at every house. I'm like, who put this rule together? Yeah. Now it's on an app. Yeah, that's easier now.

Starting point is 00:37:58 I know, but it's weird because you're like, oh, geez, this guy over here. It's only 60 feet away. Maybe you better not know him. We just walk around. We were always outside going around. Nobody paid attention to us. Dude, yeah, that was living at that was the best. We had this one kid named Kirby that tried to crawl through the ditch culvert one time.

Starting point is 00:38:14 And the government had to come and get him. whatever I remember. The government had to come get him. That government man came down to do some work. Dude, shit, like that was the best. We had this union named Milford that would drive the school bus and they were always coming and checking

Starting point is 00:38:28 and see if he was drunk. It was just like, yeah, but there was nothing like that being like. We find out stuff later that a teacher molested people and stuff. Oh, yeah. You find that out later. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Yeah. Anyway, that kind of took a turn. Let's talk a little bit about, well, I watched your movie. Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice yeah It's cool man The way that they shot somewhere They slowed it down

Starting point is 00:38:53 You know what I'm talking about? Styled it yeah It was interesting Was that a choice that was made kind of later Do you have any clue or do you have anything to do about that It's a director who puts it all together And he kind of has a stylized point of view to do it But I like that I thought it came out cool

Starting point is 00:39:06 Yeah well it's just bizarre It was like it made me think Oh things can be different Like flashbacks yeah Yeah Like when he would do flashbacks you're saying Well, like, even with the, like, there's like a moment where they have that cat that's in there and they show him. But it's like, uh, it goes in slow motion just for like a moment or something.

Starting point is 00:39:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty stylized. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and so I don't want to give too much of a little way. But so your character kind of goes back. What can we say? You can say whatever you want. Just kind of a sci-fi thing where it's, it's like a rated R comedy with action.

Starting point is 00:39:40 And it's got this kind of sci-fi twist to it. And your character, you have, you play two. two characters of you. Yes. Yeah. It was kind of cool to see like, because you always wonder, well,

Starting point is 00:39:51 I wonder what it would be like if you played this character and this thing while you're watching somebody in something, but to see them play two people that was like, oh, that's, it's like,

Starting point is 00:40:00 I can't even explain it. It was just like, it almost seemed like an experiment. It's crazy what they do with technology now, because you kind of film one side of it, then you film the other side and then they put it together

Starting point is 00:40:10 like it's one thing that technology's gotten so much more advanced. Was there tough moments to play like two different characters in the same thing or you didn't really think about it? I was amazed at how different the guys actually seemed because I was like, oh, well, at one point, I'm just going to kind of get confused, but I didn't at all. Yeah, they make them a little different because one's obviously been alive longer and you're going back in time. But yeah, it was a different experience for sure. So I kind of like doing stuff that's a little different.

Starting point is 00:40:35 You get bored doing the same stuff. So anytime I'm doing something that's a little different, I like that. So it wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was just more stuff to film because you're playing two characters in a scene. Oh, that's true. But I like trying different stuff. Was there, I read some of the you were almost in The Matrix one time.

Starting point is 00:40:55 I don't know about that. That wouldn't, I don't remember that. There's stuff I've turned down, but I don't remember that being one of them. Yeah. Your first, one of your first movies was Rudy. That's the best, huh? That was fun, yeah. Dude, I still sometimes

Starting point is 00:41:13 see that guy clapping by the So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny. It's such a mean. Slow crap. Oh. Slow clap. Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor.

Starting point is 00:41:23 Yeah, he was great. Yeah. Did he pass away? I don't know if he did or he didn't. Let's go back to the board here. Bring him up. He was cool. He was great in that part.

Starting point is 00:41:32 Oh, he was so good. Great speech to Rudy. Yeah. Gratitude. Still alive. Hell yeah. Come on, Charles. Show them, Charles.

Starting point is 00:41:41 And he was in the show. Yeah, they had a show called Rock when I was a kid that he was on. Yeah, that guy was great, dude. Did you ever meet the Real Rudy over there? I did. Yeah? Yeah. I didn't hang out with him much, but he was there.

Starting point is 00:41:54 That's a high to him a few times. Yeah. Because I went over there to Michiwaka, Indiana. I used to go do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a comedy club. He owned a comedy club? No, no. They had one on the edge of town there right outside of where Notre Dame was.

Starting point is 00:42:06 Gotcha. And I would go. Have you been to a game there? I never been to a game. It's cool. Yeah? Yeah. Tradition.

Starting point is 00:42:11 Yeah. Oh, I would love to go. Well, the grass right there, when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's like beautiful. And then when you're off the campus, it's a little bit different grass. Yeah, totally. They do it. It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever during, you know, during the day even. That day drinking. Yeah, but on campus, it's super nice. Yeah, they take care of it for sure. Oh, is that the campus right there? Yeah, that's nice. Give me that one with the snow right there.

Starting point is 00:42:35 That's nice. Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville is that we do get some cold weather over there. That's kind of a vibe. Do you miss that about the Midwest about having cold weather? I think you're used, whatever you get used to. I don't mind the cold.

Starting point is 00:42:50 I'm always ready to be done with it come January. I like it for the holidays. But come February, I'm done with it. As a kid, I loved it. what would y'all do? Just go play in the snow or get a snow day. You know, as an adult, you're scraping it off the driveway. You're scraping your car.

Starting point is 00:43:03 It's more maintenance. Yeah. And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot more time. Yeah, you got to lock them down. Lock them down. And their face is just like a thing of snod and just redness. Like Christmas story. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:15 Dude, the guy from Christmas story, I met him with you. Yeah, he's one of my best friend. Peter Billingsley? Yeah, he's my closest friend. He's a great guy. Yeah, because I met you guys. So you guys started the Wild West Comedy Festival? What was that?

Starting point is 00:43:25 Because that was the Nashville Comedy Festival, right? Yeah, well, what was it? I'll tell you what it was. I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups, but there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the, like, 90s. We did swingers. We wrote in the script, it was the line that said,

Starting point is 00:43:42 because Favreau's character was a stand-up, a next stand-up in that movie. So he wrote the line saying, in the 80s, it felt like they were handing out pilots to stand-ups at the airport. And then it was a time where there really wasn't a lot for stand-ups. So I just started trying to help friends of my out that were stand-up comedians.

Starting point is 00:44:00 I did that Wild West comedy show where I went around and did 30 days and put, Sebastian was on that and some other comments. You just do it everywhere? I just would go hit 30 cities and 30 days because it seemed fun to me. So we perform every night. We did 30 nights in a row. But I was really trying to help some of my friends like Ahmed that I knew guys that were stand-up comics.

Starting point is 00:44:17 Oh, yeah. John Caparulo, I saw him last night at the comedy store. So there was a bunch of stand-ups because there wasn't as much opportunities. It's crazy because now stand-ups have a lot more opportunity. Brett Ernst is on there. I like Brett. But anyway, they started going. But now, then what happened is the stand-ups now have a lot more opportunity.

Starting point is 00:44:37 But at the time, they're just, it wasn't as viable. Like I think in the last 15 years, stand-up really had this renaissance where so much came out of it. And I look at the stand-up stuff a little bit like what happened with improv. Like, I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago when I was in high school because there was a, Improv Olympic that was an offshoot of Second City. But it wasn't, it was just a place to go train and it was fun. It wasn't that big of a deal. I enjoyed it and I learned stuff there.

Starting point is 00:45:04 But I didn't stay the whole time. I came out to California after high school. But as I got older, there started to be these different improv groups. And then it became like a religion. This improv group thought that that improv group wasn't good. Yeah. This improv group is good at sketch. This is good at characters.

Starting point is 00:45:21 They don't, and I thought, this is fucking improv. Yeah. Like, who the fuck is talking? about improv. Yeah, it's like when mimes start beefing or whatever. You know what I mean? It's just comedy. Like what is the, I mean, what are you talking?

Starting point is 00:45:32 It's so fucking crazy to me. And so then stand-up kind of went through the same thing where it started to form into like this stand-up group or this group or a comic is this. And I thought, Jesus, it's the same shit where it starts to get too self-important. And I think ultimately comedy is a big tent. You can go real cerebral or you can be physical. It doesn't matter. There's nothing that, there's nothing that, you know, prestigious or like a stamp of approval about it. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:46:02 It's gotten to that place recently. There's been, like, kind of, like, infighting. I don't know if it's in-fighting. It's like rappers. Yeah, it is kind of. It's so silly. But everybody's afraid to kill each other. It's weird, right?

Starting point is 00:46:11 It's just so stupid. So I'm just saying we either, either, we need a Tupac and Biggie from me. We need somebody. You got to go real bad to get good. Yeah. Yeah. Or it's just got to stop. Or it's silly.

Starting point is 00:46:22 But it is silly. It's silly, bro. A lot of it got political, too, I think. I think politics came into stuff. I think that's happened a lot over the past few years with people like attaching themselves, like heavily attaching themselves to politics. Which is part of the job because you're going to talk about current events. Right, but to attach yourself and say...

Starting point is 00:46:40 But you don't want to become part of a group and feel like now you're a champion for one ideology. You want to make fun of everybody. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It's happened more over the past few years. But it's always been that... Well, it was, for a long time, it was like, you know, Hollywood is pretty much overly kind of a liberal place. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:02 And so you would have. But not really. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah. It's more like we're smart and got it figured out. And if you don't agree. Then you're an idiot.

Starting point is 00:47:14 Yeah. Yeah. It's more elitist. It's more elitist. Yeah, not liberal in the way that we think where it's like, hey, it's all groovy. Right. Yeah, it's not liberal like a hippie with a joint. No, man.

Starting point is 00:47:25 No. That's pursuit of happiness. That's cool. Whatever makes you happy, bro. Right. That's cool. Maybe it was at one point, though, I think. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:47:32 But it's definitely got more of the elitist take. Like, this is our way or the highway. I think it's changing now. Well, do you think it's dissolving now? Or do you think it's just spacing out more now? That's an interesting conversation, too, because I hear this from the different groups, too. I do think that there's less control in some ways. But I also think that they put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody.

Starting point is 00:47:56 you know, you're going to catch pneumonia. You're trying to please everybody. That's like that old Vonnegut quote. So, yes, I think there was more of a stranglehold with ideas. But there's always been people who feel differently within that. It's like any group, I guess. But yeah, I think what we're saying is similar that it was never really a place where within individuals and friends, and we could always disagree and always joke with each other.

Starting point is 00:48:25 People of my age, I disagree, agree. And we'd change our minds. We'd laugh, we joke. But there was definitely a culture that if you didn't agree with these ideas, you were looked at as bad. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think Hollywood really got more political.

Starting point is 00:48:40 I don't know if it got more political. No, they got rewarded for it. Yeah, they started to come out there and do it. And I don't even know how much everyone even is informed on everything. Yeah. But they really like to get out there and do it. Oh, yeah. But it's also wild how those people will speak on one.

Starting point is 00:48:55 thing, but there'll be another topic that's way bigger. And they're hypocrites, too, a lot of times. Like, anybody is. Oh, for sure, dude. I totally, I think I'm a perfect. Like, you always be like, I feel strong about this, but it's a strange thing when you start going like, you know better than someone. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:08 That's when it gets weird. It's one thing to say, this is where I'm at. Yeah. And then here's someone else's point of view and disagree or agree. It's another thing to be like, I'm so right. Yeah. And I got to, and I'm going to help you or condescend to you. That's the part that no one, I mean, no one wants to hang out with that.

Starting point is 00:49:23 Yeah, so it got to that. Or, my, agent is right. And so this, I'm going to have to tell you what they think. You know, that's also another, like, you know, that happens a lot too. Where people are like, feel like they have to think how their agents are managers. You know what I'm saying? Well, they feel pressured to think a certain way. That's terrible. And that happens. But that's the problem if you're going through life trying to check boxes, like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz. Like, let me get the broom. Let me do this. What is the wizard? You're not thinking for yourself. You're just trying to do the things you're

Starting point is 00:49:49 supposed to. But it's always better if you get quiet and do what's in your heart and do what you think is right. That's when you carve out stuff and make your own path. And probably the best stuff and get the best stuff out of you even creatively. A hundred percent. And have the courage, I think, to be honest, try to be and, you know, go out. That's the problem I think that happened with film comedies. And that's why I think stand-up got stronger is they, you know, stand-ups would kind of, it was easier to give someone money for a special and say, we're going to knock, that's their special. But the studios weren't going to produce a comedy and have more of, be more responsible for supporting the making of that film. Oh, I see serious.

Starting point is 00:50:30 With a stand-up special, they can just put, this is their thing. That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring a special. But the truth is, most people, they want to laugh. They don't want to see stuff be precious that you can't talk or joke about. Oh, for sure. fun of themselves. You know, in the real world, if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself,

Starting point is 00:50:49 then it's a lonely experience. You know, you've got to be able to laugh at yourself. You can look back at stuff that you believe so strongly a few years ago and laugh about it. So I think you've got to have that quality. And comedy is that being able to laugh at stuff. And I think that it was easier than to go, okay, well, we're going to just have a stand up and that's their point of view than it was to, they got too complicated not to offend anybody with going and making a movie. They were trying so hard not to offend anybody. What I think is why, does that make sense?

Starting point is 00:51:22 For sure it does. I think it's one of the reasons why, like, I've seen a lot of, um, why a lot of the late shows have struggled. Oh, bro. Because all they did during, like, all they did, the only person they can make fun of at a certain point was just like, white, redneck kind of people,

Starting point is 00:51:36 and it fucking tanked and then everything tanked after that. Think about that. This is, but see, they never get it right. The podcasts have gotten so much more popular with less production, less writers, left staff. Oh, yeah. I have two people working here, and both of them are hung over. One guy has shingles. But the place is clean.

Starting point is 00:51:54 I like that. You keep a clean place. Thank you. Yeah, we did a vacuum. But yeah, because people want authenticity. Yeah. And I think that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:06 They were going to evangelical people to what they thought. You know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had an agenda. It stopped being funny, and it started feeling like I was in fucking a class I didn't want to take. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh, for sure, dude.

Starting point is 00:52:21 I've been scolded. 100%. Yeah. 100%. And so I think that's the phenomenon isn't what they say. They always blame technology. But the reality is it's the approach. You know, someone could go watch a stand-up at Madison Square Garden and they want to go because it feels dangerous.

Starting point is 00:52:40 The crowd is alive. I don't know what Theo is going to do or say, and I love taking that experience, so it's fun. I don't want to stay home and watch it on a TV because I want to experience that live. Right. And I don't want to cure. That's where you're coming from. That's the main point. And I think people are going to tune into a podcast more so because they want to feel like people are having a real conversation.

Starting point is 00:53:03 It's interesting to them. But if you look at what happened to the talk shows and why their ratings are low, it's got only to do with the fact of what you just said, which is they all became the same. same show. Yeah. And they all became so about their politics and who's good and who's bad. And it's like, imagine sitting next to someone like that on a fucking plane. Oh, bro, you'd be like, how do I get out of this fucking seat? I would fart right next to me.

Starting point is 00:53:25 Holy cow. You fart your way out of it. Yeah, I would. Oh, I would for sure. And I'm sorry. Fucking skunk. You know the skunk's the king of the jungle. No one's playing with the skunk.

Starting point is 00:53:34 You can watch all the fucking videos you want. No one's playing with a skunk. Skunk in the food chain of the woods. fucking skunk is here. You get yourself a pit bull. I don't get a fuck what you got. The honey badger. The fucking skunk is the king of the jungle.

Starting point is 00:53:49 Don't bring that badass around me. Yeah, right? The devil's cologne, baby. That's it. The devil's cologne, daddy. You can talk about whatever the fuck you want as far as an animal and velocity. Right there.

Starting point is 00:54:01 All hill the king. Oh, that motherfucker's going where he wants. Now, he might need a nap. He might be like a lover that needs to recharge. You know what I mean? he might be like an older lover. He might not be able to go 10 times in a day. But that one or two times, he's going to get it right, Theo.

Starting point is 00:54:17 But what's he having for lunch? Whatever he wants, whatever's around. He can hit a spray and get everyone else to scurry. You don't bother him. God. Well, that skunk puts its tail up. You've got a real decision to me. What a fucking.

Starting point is 00:54:29 How much of a bad ass are you? Right? So if you brought that skunk mentality to the plane, you fucking run that shit. Well, I'm just saying every now and then if somebody won't fucking shut up, dude. You got to put some ass on it. Well, you just got to be a, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:54:43 You got to be the king of the jungle. That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying for sure. Yeah. But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracized by Hollywood at all or no? I always, I got along with people for the most, and always was, you know. You always had a great career. Try to be honest who I am.

Starting point is 00:54:59 But yeah, there's times you felt like it would have been easier. It's almost like a career move. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? But I was always the other way, too. Like, I'm not jumping on 100% this or this because I have opinions on both sides. There's shit I don't agree with at all.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Yeah. And then there's shit I don't agree with at all. I don't see how people could choose a side completely. It's so crazy. Because also once you're on a side, you're on a side. Fuck that. I want to be able to have the freedom to go. Flexibility.

Starting point is 00:55:22 Yeah. Yeah. And also some, I'm agree with this over here. I agree with this over there. It is what it is. But I just, we never cared about it so much. It wasn't our defining conversations about how I like somebody or life. We weren't 23 sitting around talk about fucking taxes.

Starting point is 00:55:39 Yeah. But I think as it started to encroaching on us, for me, I started to go a little bit back here because nobody wants to be told what to do. Or feel like everything you do has to be through a certain lens. Or worrying about if people think you're kind or not. And especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times because I would have friends acting one way, but then like kind of speaking another way sometimes. Well, those are the people that are so focused on how they're coming off. Yeah. You know, they're worried about, and that's not a real journey, and you're hurting in that.

Starting point is 00:56:12 I think we all go through those stages younger. Like, everyone learns that lesson. Well, we all want to be accepted. Yeah, but you learn younger the right way to do it. Hopefully, we never get it perfect, and you learn the wrong way. But if you're constantly worried what someone else thinks of you and you're only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You've got to really try to be, you know, find the way to be yourself, but be respectful. You know, that's the other side that I think happened is when I was a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant,

Starting point is 00:56:37 my parents would say, these people didn't come here to hear you. Yeah. Fucking scream. Well, dude, you stared at the Amish wrong and you got berated. I got dog talked. Yeah. But now if you're mad in a restaurant,

Starting point is 00:56:47 they'll say, are you okay? And I just think it's important to be aware of how you're affecting other people. Yeah. But if you're all about you and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really thinking about

Starting point is 00:57:00 what their shoes are, you know? Yeah, we've started to like make, it seem like the delusional isn't delusional. sometimes. Say that again. Like, yeah, something's delusional, but if we act like it isn't over and over and we'd be like-normal. Yes. It's almost like you said, like the boiling water like gets a degree higher one degree at a time, you know. Yeah, saying that like as they change the laws a little bit at a time, you kind of wake up and you go, this has gone way further than, but it happens so slowly that you're like, if they would have done this at once, I would have gotten out. Yeah,

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Starting point is 01:00:00 Let me know how you feel. Did your fan, do you always live in California since you, moved here? No, I went back to Chicago for a minute, and I lived in New York for a while, but I'm out here now. And, you know, I like California. I just get tired of, like, everybody. It's like a lot of these big cities, I think, you know. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of energy. It's a lot of energy. It's also just, you know, you're not getting, things aren't getting handled well. And there's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship. Yeah. You know, it's like someone doesn't do what they said they're going to do,

Starting point is 01:00:38 and there's no, I'm sorry, or want to change. Yeah, I agree, dude. It definitely gets... But you love, I still love California. Yeah. You? Oh, I just realized this is my second time back in like about three months. But I was here like about two weeks ago.

Starting point is 01:00:52 And I do miss it more. I just miss some of the energy. Like, I live in Nashville now and there's just less energy there. You know, it's just different. Right. You know, like here you can meet more people. There's more like things going on. But you're in a great spot where you can do both.

Starting point is 01:01:05 You can enjoy your time here and you can enjoy your time here. So it's been good, man. The, what did I see? Oh, Chicago, you said, are you a bearish fan or no? I am, yeah. Yeah, dude, fucking Williams, bro. He's really great for like four and a half minutes a game. That ice, yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:23 I mean, if you look at that NFC, we barely beat the Packers and the Rams barely beat us. It's close. And then obviously, right, then they lost. Those games were all so close. But it was exciting because we've been so bad for so long. It was good to be good. We were channeling through the TV. We were like screaming like,

Starting point is 01:01:40 is somebody make this happen? Who do you cheer for? I'm a Saints fan. Oh, yeah. We've had a tough. Do you know some of those guys? I like the Saints organization. I like Mickey, the GM.

Starting point is 01:01:50 I never met Mickey. He's a great guy. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He's good friends with Hayden. Oh, he is? Yeah. I wonder if I haven't met him then.

Starting point is 01:01:56 No, I haven't met him. They had a good year. They turned around this year. They did a good. Yeah, they did better. Everybody's excited about him. Yeah. Who just had a baby?

Starting point is 01:02:02 He bring up a picture of his baby since we'll, we're, since I'm a fan of there. Cam Jordan's a great guy that plays over there in that organization. Yeah, he just came out and said nice things about your quarterback. He did? He's, uh, he's, uh, Cam Jordan's nasty. He's fast. Yeah. It's a great. He's a pass rush all by himself. I would not want him chasing me. I wouldn't even go knock on his door and run off or whatever.

Starting point is 01:02:23 You wouldn't want him coming and saying, I moved to the neighborhood and I got a register. Yeah, dude. He ain't going nowhere, bro. You ain't get no way. Oh, I'd be like just touch me now and get it over. No basement. Nothing's keeping you safe, dude. No cellar doors are going to keep you safe. Do you wish, when you look on that, on that, there he is right there. I noticed had a baby. Congratulations. QB1. When you look back at that Bears game, do you think that they, do you wish they would have gone to on two on that moment? Like, just that momentum was there.

Starting point is 01:02:49 It was amazing to hit that crazy pass. That was insane. And then we had that last drive. All we needed was a field goal. But we got, you know, it was the same kind of thing a lot. We lived and died by the sword all season. Yeah. So I thought it was a fun year. I would love to have won the game. But there's a lot of pieces to be excited about. Yeah, just that confusion at the end. Like, how does they not know which way the guy, like as a fan?

Starting point is 01:03:11 I'm sure it's way more complicated as a player. But as a fan, you're like, how do you guys not know what the, this is the most crucial moment? I know. I don't know what happened there. I've heard different stuff. I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody.

Starting point is 01:03:22 And then it's almost like, was everybody just so cold they wanted to go home? There's a little bit of that energy. Because I think that happens a lot. It's like, I'm so cold. I just want to go home. Yeah. You think it would be advantage for them. They'd be more used to it.

Starting point is 01:03:33 But you never know. Because some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on the team. It's not like all of them grew up in the cold. Oh, they're all from everywhere. I wish that teams had all the players from their state. I think it would give us so much more of like our state versus your state type of energy. It used to be more that way with college. But that's in a crazy place now.

Starting point is 01:03:50 Yeah, the college game. It's gotten baffling. I think it's good people are getting paid. I just don't think they figured it out yet. Yeah. I think we're in like kind of the wild west years of it. Yeah. Do you, the bears might be moving their stadium.

Starting point is 01:04:00 Do you see that? I saw that. What do you think about that? Well, I'd like to see them stay. But I think they got to figure something out with the state. I haven't followed it too closely. What do you know about it? It seems like, and Zach's one of our producers is Bears.

Starting point is 01:04:17 He's a Bengals fan, but he's in the know. It seems like it's because time is taking for Illinois lawmakers to make a better offer for the Bears on Thursday. Indiana pushed legislation forward that clears the way for the Bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. Is it just because they're willing to give them more money? I haven't. I think it's something to do with economics, obviously. Yeah. I don't know what.

Starting point is 01:04:40 I think there's a big tax incentives to go over to Hammond, Indiana. Hamid, Indiana isn't exactly like the coolest place. So I think there are some people upset. It's close, though. It's right over the right over the. Yeah. And Chicago has such a vibe in that city. I think people seem to be like widely.

Starting point is 01:04:56 And also if you move up something to a new place, then there's going to be so much surrounding. You know what I'm saying? and they can put in all types of other things to go on. I mean, I like to see it. It's the second oldest franchise in the NFL. The oldest is the Cardinals, which is from Illinois originally, before they went to St. Louis.

Starting point is 01:05:10 Oh, St. Louis, Cardinals? Well, it was originally the Illinois. It was from Illinois. That's the oldest team in the NFL, the Cardinals. So they were from Illinois. And then they went to St. Louis, and then they ended up in Arizona. They're like a senior citizen as you get older.

Starting point is 01:05:26 You start to move warmer and warmer, right? They follow the moving habits of like someone who's retired. Oh, yeah. But the bears are such a, the bears are such a crazy, you know, George Hallis, it's so crazy that it's only the NFC trophies named after him because he was really the, he was the first one to get a college player to play for the NFL, the galloping ghost. Did you know that? Well, originally pro football was just farmers and, you know, there was no well-known names

Starting point is 01:05:55 because there was no money in it. And college football was real popular, but going to college was even harder back then. So when you'd come out of college, if you had a degree, you had a real opportunity to earn money. Unless you would go work. Like, I'm not going to go screw. I can't go screw around to be irresponsible. Which a bunch of these rednecks, and I'm going to go play football. No one's watching.

Starting point is 01:06:12 So Hallis, he played for the Yankees. He was a baseball player. He went to Red Grange from the University of Illinois, and he said, I'll give you half the gate. If you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places. and then people showed up. They'd go watch them. They'd go watch Red Grange, who was a big-time college player. And so when they got Red Grange to play with the beers,

Starting point is 01:06:34 they knew if they could get the college guys to come in. The fans would grow. And then the college guys were more open to it because you could pay them because you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums. Wow. And then when they first did it, whatever college you were from,

Starting point is 01:06:47 you would play for that local team because the college would already be a fan of you. The people in the area would be a fan. Right, so let's sell tickets that way. So then you, started the draft after that. But George Hallis did everything. He was a player. He was a coach. He was an owner. He beat Lombardi as a coach in his heyday one year. He coached the team and did well. But he started so much that's in the NFL today, Papa Bear. He was, he's really the, probably the most

Starting point is 01:07:10 important figure in the NFL. George Hallis? It would be a shame. It would be a shame. And he's from Chicago. So it would be a shame to see that, that team leave, that city with that history. Yeah. For sure. But I hope they, I haven't really looked into it, but I hope they're able to figure it out and come to terms that work for everybody. But he's an amazing figure in sports. And they named the NFC trophy after him, the Hallis Trophy. Bring up that Red Grange pitcher. Thank you, George Hallis, for your efforts.

Starting point is 01:07:41 Look at Red Grange. The Galping goes. Well, that's the other quarterback you could make the argument for his Otto Graham. He was from Waukegan, Illinois. When you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won, I could be wrong. But did he win seven championships in 10 years as a quarterback? I think he played for the Browns, right?

Starting point is 01:07:57 Otto Graham. But here's what's interesting about him. He went to Northwestern. He had a 300 batting average in college. And that's when everyone played baseball, because baseball was the only way to make real money. It was king. And he played basketball in college.

Starting point is 01:08:14 And I think he won what would be an NBA championship. He was like the sixth man on a pro team. So he won a championship and professional basketball, hit 300 in college. And I think as a quarterback, did he win seven championships? in 10 years, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:27 Is that right? Is that crazy? Think about that. And, you know, everyone wants to say the goat to goat. But you can't really compare error to era. You know, Jordan said it's hard to say who the greatest of all time was because it was different rules, a different time. And one person learns from the next person.

Starting point is 01:08:42 So Otto Graham dominated his era. Obviously, Brady dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So it's so hard to compare era to era who was the best. I think sports always want to sell you now that you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who doesn't want to feel like they're watching the best product ever? Right.

Starting point is 01:08:58 But it's a totally different game than it was back when you could hit a quarterback when LT played. Oh, yeah. So I'm not saying that it's not better that they've changed it. I'm just saying it's hard to compare one quarterback from an era to another.

Starting point is 01:09:10 Well, they never had turf toe when we were growing up. Right. Remember when did they come out with that? No. You know what I'm saying, though? Like, you would never hear a guy as turftoe? You would hear a guy's toe was in pain

Starting point is 01:09:20 so he carved it off with his wife's nail clippers on the way to the same. so he could still play. That was Ronnie Lott, right? He took his finger off. He ripped his finger off so he could play. It's a different era, yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:31 Yeah, let me see that shit. That's the done thing I always marvel at. That's crazy, though, too. Ronnie Lott ripped his finger off. He's like, I'm going back in. That's a dedication. That's not a hobby. But, you know, that's what I always think is crazy.

Starting point is 01:09:40 When you hear about boxers, what's the longest boxing fight of all time? It used to be like 27 rounds. I think someone fought 100 rounds. Am I crazy? Could you jump rope for 100 rounds? For three minutes? No way.

Starting point is 01:09:52 What's the longest fight? I mean, it's probably the one in gossip, it right now, but I'm assuming that. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. Andy Bowen and Jackberg, the longest box match industry was a hundred and ten round bout. Because they used to fight until someone couldn't answer it. But at the end, where you're just whispering heavily at each other? Like, how? I think you're in the bathroom a lot. I don't even think anyone saw it.

Starting point is 01:10:13 But so that's the thing that's crazy. And they would fight like, look how many fights these guys had? These guys would fight like 10 times a year. Now they're fighting twice a year. That's. How many fights did Sugar Ray Rock? Robinson have. Did he have like 300 or something? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and now a guy will have maybe 30. 30? Because they know they space it out. But how do you compare these guys? How many fight? What was his record? I can't see. At the end he was 174 and 19 and 6. So just about 200. Isn't that crazy? Oh my gosh. Sugar must have been stevia by the end of that dude. He had the aspartame beat out of my

Starting point is 01:10:50 you don't think he ever had, he probably had a turf toe. He didn't have a name four. He probably had a turf. head at a certain point, dude. That's so crazy. But the difference was... That's unbelievable. Why do you think someone could be like that? Well, this is the stuff that they're not... But this is that...

Starting point is 01:11:03 I remember when my dad grew up and he'd go to the farm where his dad was because his parents were divorced. On the summer, he'd go work the farm. But they didn't have any running water. So he said when they would bath, they'd go down to the fucking creek and fill up the thing with water.

Starting point is 01:11:18 They'd boil it. And then dad would bathe than his older brother than him. But I went that long ago. Yeah. So if you go back then, everything took physical strength. Like just moving around. No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games. Right.

Starting point is 01:11:31 Your thumbs were the strongest part to your body. So you were always like just doing anything took so much energy and strength. You're using your muscles every day. So I think they train smarter. They know more. But there's more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks. But back then, these guys were just getting from place A to place B was exhausting. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:50 But I don't know how you could fight 110 rounds. I don't know if you could do jumping jacks. for 110 rounds. Yeah. It's so crazy. How do they do that? Remember, they used to have 15 round fights, and then they went to 12,

Starting point is 01:12:01 because they thought 15 was too much. So I don't know how to compare. How do you compare someone, how do you compare someone from that era to this era? It's just a different time. It's impossible. A different sport. And also they say, like,

Starting point is 01:12:13 the diet has gotten better. And we have better, like, if all these things have gotten better, you think that they would be able to do it more. But then part of it probably has been that the commercialization of it has come in and like, well, let's only have it be here. can have the viewership and have the sell the tickets then.

Starting point is 01:12:26 So that could be part of it. Or understanding safety back then, like you said, they wouldn't even know what turf toe was. It was just you moved on. Oh, every other person had a glass eye. When I was a kid, every other person had a glass eye. Like if some guy was going to, I remember at the fair or whatever when the fair would come, you'd have a guy that would sit there and have a hat full of people's glass eyes.

Starting point is 01:12:43 You'd set it and therefore you went on the ride. They put their eyes out because they didn't want to lose on the tilt wall? Yeah, people that had one. They leave their eye in the bag? They leave it a little basket or whatever, like basket for eyes and loose change or whatever. That's an exciting hometown. I never saw that. Get it when you come back out.

Starting point is 01:12:56 But you have four minutes at a time. You know what I'm saying? It'd be tough on a date. There'd be some rides you couldn't go on. Maybe we're not going on the tilt world. Honey. Honey, let's go on the,

Starting point is 01:13:06 what's that one that goes up real slow? The Ferris wheel? Yeah. Isn't that the slow one where you kind of sit at the top? Oh, yeah. That's the Ferris wheel. You're not going on that salt and pepper ride where you're fucking going up and down. We used to do that with friends.

Starting point is 01:13:19 We'd go have like hot dogs or hamburgers. And then at the end you dare someone, can anyone eat all this for 20 bucks? And someone would be desperate for money. So they'd be like, fuck, we don't kick in. They'd be like, I'm going to have a shake. I'll eat those chili fries. I'll finish that chicken breast sandwich.

Starting point is 01:13:33 And then you'd say, okay, another 20 bucks, if you go on that salt and never right, and they'd fucking lose their shit. But yeah, I mean, it's a different, it's so weird. I also think the food might have been healthier. Oh, I'm sure. Because remember they went through that whole stuff with the oil, seed oil, and we know it's bad for you. But they went through a whole thing saying you should cook with that. But that, then people just cook them.

Starting point is 01:13:54 with butter. Yeah. I think the food was helped. That was more natural. Butter. It was less fucked up food in some ways. Dude, strong saliva dip spit.

Starting point is 01:14:02 People would cook in it, you know what I'm saying? Did you start dipping young? Yeah, because I used to work on a farmer so we would chew the, like the block of tobacco. Like red man?

Starting point is 01:14:11 Yeah, like the, um, would you do like skull, winter green like the circular one? No, no. We should plug tobacco. So we all,

Starting point is 01:14:17 we had a thing. So we did like, when I first started as a kid, we didn't know it was that bad for you because we knew smoking, was bad, but you would think this wouldn't hurt your... Then they started showing pictures in the school of people missing their jaws.

Starting point is 01:14:30 Oh, yeah. But originally you thought it's not bad for your win. But it was all like the Skull-Winnogreen, like the circle stuff. Oh, yeah. But the red man was the leaf. But the first time you do it, you're going to vomit. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:41 I puked out of my friend's mom's car. Older kids are like, here, try this. Yeah. And they will watch you fucking vomit. Were you in a car? Yeah. I sat out of each window. I was like, oh, maybe I'm sick just at this window.

Starting point is 01:14:51 And I sat out of each window and puked out of each window. There's no way to keep it in more than two or three minutes. You're on the ground. It was the worst. It still makes me fucking sick. It was cherry skull or something. Do you remember the first alcohol you got really drunk on? Yeah, dude, of course.

Starting point is 01:15:05 Where was it? Climbing up a shelf in my brother's closet, I found pornos. They had pornos up there. That was a surprise. You wouldn't expect them. It was a lot of surprises. This one shelf I'd never into, they had a little stack of towels. You were a ground barrier, and he was putting shit up high.

Starting point is 01:15:21 He was a mountain hider. Oh, I'm like, oh, this is where things are up here. Yeah. And I got up there and I remember just kind of like, and I found liquor up there. Yeah, what was it? Al-Azee, it was called. It was like a pretty more of an urban liqueur, I think. Bring it up a bottle of it.

Starting point is 01:15:41 It was considered an urban liqueur right there. The orange was so good. Have you ever had it since? I've never had it since. See, that's how it is. My first drunk was peppermint snops. I never touched it again. I think the first time you get really drunk, you never revisit that.

Starting point is 01:15:56 Yeah. Ever. Ever. But the first time... How did you do it? Were you playing quarters? Were you just drinking by your... Were you with friends?

Starting point is 01:16:02 No. You by yourself? I was by myself. Oh, climbed up there. I remember drinking and then watching porno or whatever. And then I'm... You started off as a fun afternoon. Horrible.

Starting point is 01:16:14 But you hear, 30 years later, it's still... It's still... It's still been an issue, you know? Did you just go through, like, what? Like a quarter of a bottle or... Couple glasses. I think I had four sips, jerked off,

Starting point is 01:16:24 and then blacked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You woke up with the evidence all around. You didn't even clean up the crime scene. Woke up, yeah, with my glass eye and a hat. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:33 Yeah. Friends were over here. I'm pissed up. They left the house. Yeah, mom, can you believe some kid came over here jerked off on my stomach and drank some of this and left,

Starting point is 01:16:41 mom. Times have changed. With your new movie, if you could go, Mike, Nick, Nick, and Alice. Yeah. If you could go, because your character kind of goes back in time

Starting point is 01:16:51 to make something different. Right. Is there a time if you could go back in time that you would go back to kind of like, I know it's a general question. It's kind of whatever, but, you know, it fits with the film, man. Yeah. And it makes you think, what would you go back to change? Because I think it used to be people would be like, I'd go back and stop Hitler.

Starting point is 01:17:05 I'd go back and, you know, I'd go back and help Napoleon or do whatever, you know. You think you would. Or I'd go back and, like, being, you know, Jumanji 1 or whatever. Right. But then now it's like people I think would do individual things. Like, I'd go back and, you know, buy a Bitcoin or something, you know. It's more realistic. Right.

Starting point is 01:17:20 It's a crazy thing to think you're a guy. to go and be the one guy to fucking battle up go to the king and tell him to shut the fuck up but no one else is you know what I mean like people always like that it makes me laugh right I go do the oh would you have yeah maybe dude I'll go back and tell him yeah obviously no one's walking up to the guy and saying hey Hitler calm down you know I'll be the guy that's hilarious have you thought about in your life what you would do yeah I think I would go back maybe to a certain time probably and I think I could have been better like in this one relationship I was in probably.

Starting point is 01:17:55 That's a great thing that you feel that. But I would say to you, I have had those thoughts. But then I realize you have to travel down every road you travel down and you don't get to learn those lessons without making those mistakes. And so you're kind of in a good spot now.

Starting point is 01:18:15 You're very reflective, you think about stuff. And so maybe if you hadn't gone through those things, not that you want to, you know, get hurt or hurt anyone, but sometimes you got to go through those lessons. And so, like, what we were talking about earlier where I said, you can ask for those things now, you've got to take that knowledge and bring that to your new thing. Yeah. And maybe you think if you went back, but normally the person you were dating was sometimes had their own lessons to learn. And that's why you found each other. And you can romanticize, like, what if we were each different people, but you weren't. And hopefully you're both better

Starting point is 01:18:49 people from the experience. So I think you can not go back to that, but you can take the lessons and have something great now. And I don't know that you would have been in that relationship with that exact person if you were a different person at that time. There was probably something with her going on too that that drew you guys together to teach each other that whatever that experience was. Make sense? Yeah. Yeah, no, it does make sense, man. Yeah, I think there's just like a probably, it's almost like an ego part of it once I think about it now from that. It's like, yeah, you just wish you to go back and love somebody differently. I love that.

Starting point is 01:19:22 But you can love that person different now. And it's okay, Theo, because you weren't, you, how would you have known that? Yeah. Unless you're going through it. It's like kids, you know, sometimes you take something away from a kid and then you see him cry. You know, if you're just playing with toys, you go, oh, that doesn't feel good. But I don't know that you can learn that without seeing the response to somebody else. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:42 Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think, right. But that's the thing with nostalgia is you can get excited, I think, about doing those things the right way now. So you're nostalgic because you look back at those. You don't want to hurt anybody. You wish you could have played it out differently. But it played out the way it was supposed to for where you and that person was at. And also it's our ego. We're not that powerful. Right. Like sometimes, I don't know if you've ever suffered from this, but I could really get caught up

Starting point is 01:20:09 and trying to help friends. And then I realize I use so much time and energy. And I'm really not that powerful, like, I can't want them to change. And the same way that I probably had people try to help me, and I wasn't ready to change. So you really can't get someone to a place that you think is right for them. You can say it once. You can, you know, you can encourage them. Right. You can give them grace and be there for them. But ultimately, you can't really make that kind of a big shift with them. Yeah. Have you found that? Oh, yeah, for sure. You think you can. Or there's times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough or something like that. But yeah, yeah, I couldn't. Because I think we're hurting. And so when we find better ways of doing things, we want everyone to have that.

Starting point is 01:20:52 Oh, yeah. And I don't know if you felt this way. But I don't know. Yeah, I had to go through a lot of it on my own. You know, like I had to learn those lessons and figure it out. When like the cavalry showed up and saved me. Not that I didn't have good people in my life. But everyone does. They have to go through those stages too. Yeah. Yeah, you have to see something that like surprises you enough or you have to, sometimes, you have to hit a level for you that's like, this has to be different, you know? Right. But yeah, you can't. Like, you can offer suggestions.

Starting point is 01:21:21 You can kind of show somebody you can lead by example sometimes. And I think you can reflect on times when you handle stuff in ways that you feel good about. Yeah, I don't do enough of that sometimes. But I bet you have a lot of it. Yeah, some really good ones. Yeah. Some really good ones. And as you get older, don't you think more and more?

Starting point is 01:21:35 Yeah. And so that's what's in front of you. And so that's why I would say the nostalgia's, I like that. for myself too, but I realize at some point I have to take those things and really try to do it with what's in front of me now. And I think you can have that exact relationship instead of saying, wasting time on saying, well, I'm older now. I should have started this younger. You can say, I know these things now and I'm going to start it now. And I'm going to get a great experience based on the things I know. Because the other just takes you in a place where you're kind of not

Starting point is 01:22:08 allowing it. Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, I think it's making sure that you're learning from the past, you know? Yeah, and then you feel excited for what's in front of you. And you can't really go back and that's the thing with stuff. It's like you've got to look at it and learn from it. You can't, but then at some point you've got to move forward. Yeah. You know, it's like anything. It's like a set. What did I do right? What did I do wrong? What should I have done? But at some point, you're good to move on and go to the next set. Because if you just dwell on that set, you can get stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:42 Yeah. Do you have a process for that of dealing with? Oh, for sure, yeah. Do you have a good process now that you feel good about? I think it's gotten better. Yeah. I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful to be honest about it, you know? Same for me too.

Starting point is 01:22:54 Having things that are like reminders and be like, yeah. And that it's, yeah. And I think you can take the things that you've done well at that in your professional life and apply those same principles to our personal life. Yeah. Or try to. But I don't know that I would go back to answer your question because, and I don't mean... But your character has to go that.

Starting point is 01:23:15 If you would ask me 10 years ago, I would have said, oh, for sure, because I'm not saying there's not things I didn't handle really bad or things I regret. Of course there is. But I think I couldn't change those because I don't know that I would have come out as different or stronger or at least more thoughtful if I hadn't gone through those experiences. You've got to walk down every road, I think. So I like the idea that I could go back, but maybe you fuck up some other shit. Yeah, dude, yeah, that's a good point. Oh, I think I probably would.

Starting point is 01:23:44 I just maybe would push the lesson until later. I still make some of the same mistakes. You get better at it. I find that the time in between the mistakes is long, but they never go away all the way. And your reaction to them and giving yourself a little bit more grace, but yeah, and making sure you don't go down. And making sure sometimes that you don't like maybe hurt other people as much,

Starting point is 01:24:03 you know, or just like that you're more. I could, you're very thoughtful. I bet you don't do that very often. You're more respectful of their feelings anyway. Not like actually hurt somebody, but, uh. But I know what you mean. Hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily. It means that you made someone feel unloved or unwanted or appreciated.

Starting point is 01:24:18 Like a bruised banana or whatever. Yeah. But, you know, there's also a thing with being funny and connecting. It's a weird thing because I really enjoy teasing with friends sometimes. And if someone showed any weakness, we'd kill you until you didn't, until it didn't bother you. Anything that bothered you, that was going to be the topic of jokes. until you got over it. It wasn't our job to make you okay.

Starting point is 01:24:39 That's a good point. You had to fuck it. And I think some of that was good. Oh, dude, it was the best, bro. We would fucking, everybody would pick on you. Everybody, but everybody got it. You would all deal with it.

Starting point is 01:24:49 And now everything is, now it's more like bullying. Dude, I saw two Waymo's bullying a fucking Kia Sorrento on the way here. And I was like, nobody's helping this guy or whatever, this female. I don't know what a kid is. But with comedy, we were just brutal.

Starting point is 01:25:02 Oh, so much fun. And if we knew it bothered you, it would, never stop. So it was a weird concept to me where I thought you're not making fun of each other. Yeah, we were just communicating. Even animals call each other names, I bet, a lot. Yeah. You know, we just won't know it. They're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing. Yeah. But your character has to go back in time. I do want to make sure that I talk about your movie a little bit more and then we'll get you out of here. And thanks so much for your time

Starting point is 01:25:29 today, man. No, it's great to hang with you. I enjoy listening to you and appreciate you. So it's fun to get a chance to sit and talk with it. same man. Thanks for all the entertainment and inspiration and like, yeah, just so much good humor over the years. Thank you. Back at you. Yeah, because your character goes back in time.

Starting point is 01:25:46 Not really to help himself, though, kind of. That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way? Like, he's a good point. He doesn't love the way that he's handled stuff. Right. And he realizes the pain he caused. You don't think that's what it's for in the beginning kind of.

Starting point is 01:26:00 That's fair. You kind of get, yeah, like you get that as it goes along a little bit. I don't want to give away too much of it because there's. there's moments in it that were very like a surprise to me. I was like, oh. There's some good twists. Yeah. Yeah. But I think the concept's right. And I think all of us hopefully are that way. I don't know. I think people are happier when you're thinking about others more. And I don't say that in a kind way

Starting point is 01:26:23 like I'm great. I mean just it's as a general feeling, you feel better when you are thoughtful of others and connection with them than when it's all about you. We've been scientifically. But we never had friends like that. We wouldn't hang out with somebody that would talk about themselves all fucking day. Yeah. Would you? Well, didn't even have it as much back there.

Starting point is 01:26:40 No. You wouldn't be at the fucking, you wouldn't be included. Nobody wants to hear about it. No one wants to hear how you're killing it all day. It's so weird. But you know what I find now, like parents do it with their kids, it's everywhere. Me, me, me. It's so crazy.

Starting point is 01:26:55 It's just in general, I think there's way more of a, it's odd because you're marrying the one hand that what we were talking about with this kind of better than, you. than now, but on the other hand, it's really kind of about ourselves more. It's a weird cultural moment. Yeah, well, it's like we just see so much reflection of ourselves, you know, and we don't have a lot of time to integrate. That's one of the biggest things I know is that you used to be like, you'd go see a movie or you would read a book or you would read some pages of a book or things like that. And then your brain and your heart and stuff would have time to integrate stuff. But now it's like, we'll get on our phone or there's a next thing, there's a next call,

Starting point is 01:27:32 there's so much connection that you're not really processed. Are you good at downtime in processing? I'm getting better at it. That's great. Because I want it more. I start to realize, oh, there's so much peace in this thing, you know? It's like, yeah, there's just, it's almost there's nowhere to hide from the electronica. It feels like sometimes these days, you know.

Starting point is 01:27:50 For sure. I could be guilty. You get stuff a game or something that you like. Yeah, but your phone, a game, a TV, another screen there, an advertisement, whatever. You know, even just a little Chinese guy that's just telling you something, you know? It's like, it never ends. There's just like a lot of information coming at you. Do you have a good group of pals and people that you connect with and hang out with a lot in Nashville or here?

Starting point is 01:28:13 Or is it more like everyone's in different locations and you hook up and you hook up? Yeah. But I got to do a little bit better. I think I need to branch out a little bit more. I know good people. So I think sometimes I like my alone time. Do you? Yeah, but it can be isolating for me too at a certain point.

Starting point is 01:28:26 I like to recharge. I like that. And then I do like to hang out. Yeah. But I'm not someone who wants to hang out four days a week. Did you feel a responsibility? Because you did that, Swingers were y'all

Starting point is 01:28:35 got to Las Vegas, yeah. Yeah. And did, so do you ever feel like a responsibility to people that were going to Vegas? Like some guy that got like, GHB by a hook or something, and it's like, I'm here because of Vinny.

Starting point is 01:28:45 You know what I'm saying? Did you ever feel any, like you ever lay in bed at night and be like, how many guys, like how many dudes are laying without a kidney in an ice bath right now? No, I always looked at like storytelling

Starting point is 01:28:55 and comedy. Like, you know, there are stories like catfire stories. Same with comedy. So, they're not like how-to books. But people take them that way. Yeah, but it's crazy.

Starting point is 01:29:07 It's like, you know, I remember like when I would watch, you know, fun movies that they were escapism. But I never, we were never so fucking dumb that we were like, oh, they're telling me like I got to go out and risky business. I got to go get some hookers and fucking get into Harvard. Do you know what I mean? Like they were having fun with what was going on at the culture. Right.

Starting point is 01:29:30 So like in that movie it was the. mom and dad are like, you got to go to Harvard. You can't fucking have a party. And he's like, I'm a fucking horny teenager. I'm looking to, I'm looking to fucking mix it up. Like, I'm living right now. And so the idea of that was the thing that was a problem saying what the fuck and running hookers as a pimp for the suburban kids, that's actually the thing that got them into Harvard. Right?

Starting point is 01:29:52 It's a crazy movie. But we never were like, oh, yeah, these guys are my parents. And they're telling me, I better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement, going back to basement. It's like, no, it was escapism. It's fun. So, like, Swingers is really about, you know, friends helping a friend get past a breakup. Yeah. And, but, you know, who wants to watch perfect people?

Starting point is 01:30:12 These are people that have some good, some bad. And that's the journey of the story where you go through people and you get to learn from what they did right or what they did wrong. If you go back to, like, even the Bible or Greek mythology, some of these morality tales, it's like, someone does this and here's the consequences of it. They're not all stories like everyone. doing everything right. Most of these human stories or someone made a decision based on ego or what was important in the moment and they paid the price. Right. And those are important

Starting point is 01:30:43 stories. Yeah. Well, there were, yeah, like moral tales, like Aesop's fables they had, you know, as a kid, like they had different things like that. I wonder if they still had that stuff for kids because there was a lot of stuff that was like kind of common in culture. That was where you would learn things from. But yeah, if you watch Forrest Gump and you go out and break both your legs so you can try to run across the country. Yeah, dude. You know what I mean? Then I guess you're like Forrest and some, I mean, I don't,

Starting point is 01:31:04 I never took that serious. It's like, where the parents are at? Yeah. You know, it's like same with albums. When we were kids, they started putting these warning labels on an album. Oh, yeah, Pernel advisor, remember that? It was like Tipper O'Neill or something. They were put like these.

Starting point is 01:31:18 So parental advisor was a black and white sticker. But that would make us buy it. Yeah. It's like, let me hear that fucking uninhibited. Yeah. Right? Parental guidance. But like as kids, we weren't like, when I was listening to NWA,

Starting point is 01:31:31 this wasn't like a fucking how-to manual. Yeah. I was digging someone having a strong opinion, unapologetic from their experience. I was like, fuck, I want to, let me fucking listen to that.

Starting point is 01:31:43 That's fun. We were never so fucking dumb. Do you know what I mean? That's part of the problem that they make it. I was like, everyone's so fucking stupid that if you see, you know,

Starting point is 01:31:51 like any kind of movie or story that it's somehow encouraging kids to do it. It's like, shut the fuck up. I did. I'm going to listen to rock and roll and want some people make some bad decisions and laugh.

Starting point is 01:32:03 You know what I mean? Like, when did that become a thing? We're like, like, if you do a set out, you're funny, I hear your shit. You're not, lawsuits. That's what did it probably. People sued for a thing probably. But yeah, if you got so attached,

Starting point is 01:32:13 you're like, oh, I believe this now I'm gonna. Like when you do your sets and I enjoy them, sometimes you're going further with a point of view to get a point across. You're not hoping you're reaching some fucking eight-year-old kid to go follow. You know what I mean? You're like.

Starting point is 01:32:26 Right. Yeah, that's all a bunch of shit. You're being entertaining and fun. And I think, There's a place for that. I think, if anything, that's what got in the way was that everyone started to put these things under a microscope. Like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:32:38 Like, when we were kids in school, if we go to the auditorium and they would give us like a safety film on fucking bicycles, we'd just make fun of that shit all day long. Oh, if I'm not telling kids to go out and, you know, but everyone's got to assume whatever risk you want to take. Like, everyone's different. You've got to decide, are you going to cross the highway because you want to get to that candy store and try to dodge the cars. No one should do that. Yeah. But everyone, everyone, everyone ultimately is going to make their choices.

Starting point is 01:33:06 Yeah. And there'll be people that do and people that don't, you know. Right. But yeah, but how do we, I saw a bike video and I was like, first of all, I'm never wearing a bike helmet because I understand it's safe. I know it is, but I don't want my children to see me in a bike helmet because it's culture. It's culture. My son and I would never be able to make eye contact the same way. I mean, now all the kids have to. We didn't know what the fuck that was. And in a way, I think it kept us, in some ways, this is, but I felt like I was safer because I could try to jump that.

Starting point is 01:33:34 Yeah. But there ain't no fucking way I'm going to jump that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because the helmet. Yeah. Like we knew, I may get some fucking scabs and shit and hit my face if I put like, you know, a wooden board on two things. But I'm not doing five because I don't have a fucking helmet. You know what I mean? Like it was self-regulatory. You got me all fucking Michelin Man and dressed up. I might try to go back, like evil and try to jump the fucking snake river.

Starting point is 01:34:00 But I'm just saying, like entertainment and stories, you know, I think have fun with it and you should watch it. But I mean, really? What percentage of the population thinks that it's a how-to book? Yeah. And by the way, do we cater everything to the fucking, excuse me, naive kid? Who's looking to jump on any story he sees? Like, that's the way to live his life?

Starting point is 01:34:24 It's kind of what we do. It's kind of what we've done anyway. Right. And hopefully that's kind of correct in court. You can't watch dirty Harry? Because you think you can just go fucking shoot a criminal without talking to him? Oh, it's escape. You're like, yeah, that motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:34:36 You know what I mean? Like, you like it as a story. Yeah. But that's what it was. Yeah. But I think everyone kind of got that more. Like, I wasn't listening to... No, but...

Starting point is 01:34:44 I wasn't listened to rock and hip hop and shit. Right. But I think it was lawyers that did it. They're like, oh, this is what happened. Or the do-gooders. Maybe they meant well. Right. But don't you create a whole other series of problems?

Starting point is 01:34:56 Because if you can't express... those feelings through movies and songs, where do those feelings go? Yeah. Like if storytelling and stand-up or movies isn't the place to explore podcast, if we can't express ideas there or feelings, what do you do with those? They just, you can't have those feelings? It's crazy. Oh, I think one day a smile will be in a museum and you go to see it, you know?

Starting point is 01:35:19 I really do. I don't think so. I think, I don't think, I don't think. I don't think, ultimately I know you don't believe that. I don't think I really, that's kind of a joke. You think there's a warning of it. Right. I think we're getting close. But we're going to push against it.

Starting point is 01:35:29 If you want to see feelings, you have to go to a museum. Oh, this was happiness. Look, children. I think these kids sometimes. I think there's a place for, I think it's good. I'm not saying it's all. The pendulum always goes too far in one direction. I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff.

Starting point is 01:35:44 But it's always a little bit like this. Like, if you have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends, I'm going to clear the decks. Our other friends are going to do it. And we want to hear everything you've got to say about this break. and we're going to give you our perspective, and we're going to really focus on it. And that may go on for a week. But after three weeks,

Starting point is 01:36:04 you're not allowed to talk about it anymore. There's nothing else to say. We gotta drop it and move on. You gotta get in a new bad relationship. You know what I mean? Like, we can't keep talking about that. Yeah. And so I think what happens sometimes

Starting point is 01:36:17 is we're indulging, talking, and exploring it. There's a time to do it. You need to do it. But at some point, if you're always bringing up the stuff, you just kind of stay depressed. Yeah. Like, there's a process to digesting it, and then there's a process of pushing it away and trying to get into something new.

Starting point is 01:36:35 But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't go away. Well, you're kind of getting addicted to self-pity to it at that point in a way, you know. Or you're just always living in that, and it's going to make you sad. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's something that's kind of like been, like, kind of a society, just a weird tour that we took in society of like, you know, that there's something always wrong with, you know? Well, who isn't there something wrong with?

Starting point is 01:36:56 Hopefully everybody. But as you get older, you start to go, my God, everyone's a little nuts. Yeah. Like, we're all holding it together. But if you see people by themselves, like, there's no one you would be like, that guy's like at home living. You know what I mean? Like everyone's got shit that's crazy.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Hopefully. Hopefully. Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at home just fucking, you know, putting lips. Urban liqueur. Yeah. Yeah. There's some urban liqueur and some French, and hopefully some French magazine.

Starting point is 01:37:24 Club. El club, I think it was called. Lick club. Your movie comes out on Hulu, March 27th. And, and, oh, Jimmy Tatro's in it. His character is hilarious in it.

Starting point is 01:37:37 Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, he's a cool guy. A.7 Marsden, they're all good in it. That's the lady in it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's real foxy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:47 And then the other guy, James Marsden. That plays Mike. He was cool. Yeah. And he's good actor. He's good actor. Yeah, he did a good job. A lot of good facial stuff and like a lot of, like, yeah, he's like good looking.

Starting point is 01:37:57 but he also is entertaining. He reminds me a Rob Lowe a little bit. That's interesting. I could see that, yeah. Handsome guy, likable. Right, but also, like, not just being handsome. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:09 Vince Vaughn, thanks so much. Great to sit with you. Nope. Yeah. I'm excited for the Bears next season, man. We'll be cheering them. Cool.

Starting point is 01:38:17 Is that your, is that kind of an adopted team? Yeah, I got you. Just because we grew up so much. I grew up there watching, like, you know, like the only baseball teams that existed were like, Cubs and Braves. Cubs, Braves, Braves. Cardinals though, like collecting like Ozzy Smith cards.

Starting point is 01:38:31 Coleman. Yeah. Oh, Vince Coleman. Vince Coleman. Vince Coleman. Ozzie Smith. They were dominant.

Starting point is 01:38:36 Cardinals were always dominant. Dude, you ever hung out on Mark Grace before? I met him. Yeah. He's great guy. He's the best. He has the best stories.

Starting point is 01:38:42 Yeah. He's a hell of a player. Oh, he was so good. But those were the times, Andre Dawson, all those guys, Rick Sutcliff. Unbelievable. Greg Maddox. That was like,

Starting point is 01:38:50 there was like only three or four teams that existed, it felt like. Yeah. They were popular. They had personalized. But Cardinals have been good forever. They're always fine. lately not as much, but they've always been dominant. Cubs, as you know, was a long story, so it was a big deal when we finally won.

Starting point is 01:39:02 Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when you thought of all the- Are you with the Titans at all? Um, I wish they would draft Diego Pavia for the same reason that we said that he played at Vanderbilt. He crushed it there. I think- How fun was that kid to watch? So much fun.

Starting point is 01:39:15 Dude. I love that dude's spirit. I loved watching that boy play. A kid from my high school played wide receiver for him. Oh, really? Yeah. Younger than me because he's playing now, obviously. Which his name?

Starting point is 01:39:25 It's not like some 50-year-old had some, some, eligibility on his fucking ears. Well, they'd probably give him another. His last name was Hoskins. Oh, Richie Hoskins? I knew his sister real well. Bro, Richie's a dog. He was good, right?

Starting point is 01:39:35 Dude, he called a couple. He caught some passes that only he could catch, bro. Yeah, there he is. Yeah, they were dogs, dude. I knew his, his aunt would have been my grade and was a nice gal. But he played for him. So I watch, I, you know, my high school puts out a lot of really good athletes, people that still to this day, Lake Forest High School, Public High School in Illinois.

Starting point is 01:39:53 A lot of people do well. Oh, yeah. But this was, this was. was an exciting year for Vandy. And that quarterback, Diego Pavia, yeah. Bro, he was like this. I'm going to go to his pro. Oh, he's like that. Come in, get it. Yeah, he was super fun to watch. And they come out. He's going, he's going pro now. Is he done? Yep, he's training right now down in Tampa. Where do he transfer from? He transferred from New Mexico State and then before that New Mexico School of Mines. I think he could have gotten one more year, actually. But he's going to

Starting point is 01:40:23 strike while the irons hot. He's already in. Yeah, he's already going in. Yeah, he's already going in. He's not tall. Well, that's the thing. They came out and said that and was like, so you're telling me he did this great at not even the same height as some of these other guys? It's true. Sometimes that motivates you to get better.

Starting point is 01:40:38 Well, Brady was that in a way, right? He didn't hit the prototype. Yeah. And made him work harder. I mean, being tall wasn't his thing, but they also made it like, but he obviously, sometimes the thing that they label you as a disadvantage

Starting point is 01:40:48 makes you stronger because you have to work harder. Yeah. But that dude's a winner, bro. He doesn't, that's the thing. Who do you want to bet? You want to bet on somebody that wins Every time they said you can't At an academic school in the SEC

Starting point is 01:41:01 At Vanderbilt I mean you're playing big time football every week When's the last time Vanderbilt was in that position? Never And so the fact that this kid was a part of that With a lot of other great players And did that well That's that intangible quality

Starting point is 01:41:15 That has to mean something And that's the shit's getting lost In this evaluation Yes, always in everything It's so stupid Yeah, it is There's a place for it But not the whole thing

Starting point is 01:41:25 Yeah But anyway, I'm glad we all got that out of our systems. Me too. Dude, I appreciate you too, Vince. Thanks so much, man. And we'll check it out. Everybody, it's on Hulu, March 27. Now I believe I must be.

This Past Weekend - #648 - Vince Vaughn

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