This Past Weekend - #651 - Ella Langley

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Starting point is 00:01:04 I'm excited. Thank you. Today's guest is one of the biggest country artists in the game right now. And I think for the future, she's got that power in her voice. She's got that, you know, it's raw but refined. It's delightful. Her new album, Dandelion, is out Friday, April 10th, wherever, you stream music and she'll be taking it on tour as well. I'm excited to sit down today with the one of one, Miss Ella Langley.

Starting point is 00:01:55 And it's a little warmer here. Do you all feel that? I feel great. Damn, all right. You feel, you want a little flow? A little brother. He ordered it. Yeah, I know he is. I met him on the way in. You meet the whole family now, pretty much. Hey, I have.

Starting point is 00:02:14 I have. That guy was fresh off the damn boat. He seemed like he had some real grit to him. We'll talk about him. You could say that. Yeah. He do. He do.

Starting point is 00:02:27 Yeah, yeah, he do. Yeah, I met y'all's granddaddy. He was a real... He definitely seemed like he could just fix a flat tire with his tongue. That guy had some grit in him. What? I mean, not like in a pervert way. I mean, he seemed like he could just hold a car up while somebody fixed a tire.

Starting point is 00:02:45 He does love cars. Does he really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Tesla's, big Tesla guy. He is? He's like one of them future babies or whatever? Sure, yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:55 But I mean, he's like a guy that, I don't know, I've pictured him more of like a garage type of guy, maybe. I don't know. Maybe I didn't. He said he went to see The Grateful Dead, I think I remember him saying? Yeah, he's my hippie grandpa. Okay. Yeah, so my parents are split in two kind of. Like my mom's, you met her too.

Starting point is 00:03:14 Oh yeah, I met your mom. Yeah, you did. You did me. Dude, I met your mom. I talked to her for probably almost 20 minutes. I know, I came in and you were hanging out with my mom and my grandpa. Yes. What was going on here?

Starting point is 00:03:23 I don't know what was going on. Maybe it's my real family. Yeah, it was at Jelly Roll show. Lainey's. Jelly Roll was there, though. Yeah. And you were on it, too. I walked out there.

Starting point is 00:03:35 You sang? Yeah, yeah. You guys did a great job. It was awesome. That was cool. Yeah, that was cool. She's so good. Yeah, she is just really.

Starting point is 00:03:43 And she, like, kind of embrful. I think some people get to certain points in their career where they kind of embrace being this, like, thing that's bigger than them. Mm-hmm. And I think she, like, she's done that kind of. Yeah, she's so good at giving her all the time. Yeah. I feel like I have to have time away, like recluse time. And if I don't get that, then I'm, like, an insane person, even more than usual, really.

Starting point is 00:04:10 That's how I am. Yeah. But Lainey, dude, she just goes and goes and goes. It was like even after the CMA Awards, we went to her bar afterwards. Here she is. And her last outfit or camo outfit, you know, like the cape, the badass thing she had on. I haven't seen that. Bring up that camo.

Starting point is 00:04:24 She's in a damn camo cape. Yeah, it was really good. God. I loved that outfit. But she's in there shaking everyone's hand, you know, meeting everyone. She's just hosted the awards by herself and running around. Yeah, she just goes. Yes.

Starting point is 00:04:39 God, she looks like a nice, beautiful duck blind, I feel like. Yeah. I mean, I bet a lot of fellas would show up to one hunt from that, I think. But anyway, she's also married, I think. But anyway, sorry, what are you talking about here? Yeah, almost. Okay, let me think about where we should start from. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Did you grow up in church? I did. I don't think it was like the best church or whatever, though. What kind? What denomination? It was like six, I think maybe six Baptist or something. I'm not even sure. It was like...

Starting point is 00:05:09 Sixth Baptist? It was like one of the... It was not... One of them. It was, yeah. It was pretty, it was wild. Yeah, no, I grew up with Southern Baptist. You did?

Starting point is 00:05:20 Yeah. Oh, gosh. Really small church. It started in a barn. The house that I also grew up in, my dad grew up in, and there was an old barn across the street, and it started in haybells on that barn. And then they moved it to a church. And, I mean, every Sunday and Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:05:37 I was 18 years old, yeah. Was it a big part of your social life, too? Yeah, yeah. I was homeschooled for some years, so pretty much all we did. was go to church. No, and what state were you homeschooled in? Alabama? Yeah, South Alabama.

Starting point is 00:05:48 It's Montgomery. That's one place. I don't know if I would accept homeschooling in, to be honest, overall. We didn't do any much school, you know. Yeah. We just played outside. Oh, yeah, but that's sometimes the best school. It really was.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Oh. It's like my imagination got to live longer than most. Yeah. That's a good point, because you kind of take kids and you put them in like this way. It's almost like being in a laboratory at a school. Like you're sitting under those lights or whatever. Some kids eating paste or whatever, and you're supposed to, like, not say something? Yeah, I got in trouble a lot.

Starting point is 00:06:18 I went to kindergarten in first grade, and I was always in trouble. Like, what was the crime you were guilty of? Talking, distracting others. Yeah, dude. Well, how great was that in school when you got back on your thing? Distracting others. Distracting others. I had, like, a designated seat in the corner.

Starting point is 00:06:37 It was like this little green metal desk, and it was facing the corner, and I just, like, sit over there. Oh. I know. distracting us and what do you think you were distracted them from probably i don't know anything just talking and were you trying to get people to see you you think or you were just you had something to say what it was going on near ella lyingly i just think that school is boring for me i did not like that god i did not like it at all the whole time naps hated it what do you mean you have to sit still for this long we had this lady named miss robin she kind of had air like ears a little bit

Starting point is 00:07:07 and she would uh on nap time at when bad rudy's asleep she'd come over and kind of kick me a little bit and she let me go out with her and watch her smoke cigarettes and shit. So, I mean, she's pretty good. She was cool. And her husband was apparently, he had some domestic charges or whatever. But anyway, she let me spend time with her and watch her smoke. She probably needed it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:27 Like, you're a confid on at a young age. Yeah, I was just sitting there. That makes sense. Just leaning on this tire of this car. Just like life lessons, this lady, you know? You're like, well, you know, what I would do is like, yeah. Yeah, Carl is a piece of shit. You know, just helping her out, but she would smoke.

Starting point is 00:07:41 And she had this kind of like, this kind of, country, you know, sometimes when they get that feathered, real country, feathered look, you know, when it has a... Like ferrophocity. A lot of feathers, yeah. A lot of feathers going on. Just a damn mallard of a woman, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:56 But I remember that. That was a good time, I remember. But yeah, when you got distracting others, it was just like, gosh. Yeah. And you were guilty of it, too. Yeah, yeah. I had a bunch of eye surgeries when I was young. And so, like, for the muscles in my eyes.

Starting point is 00:08:13 And what happened? You had bad eye muscles? Yeah, sometimes I'd just be a little cross-eyed. Uh-uh. Yeah, sometimes. You know, well, you know. And you were in the choir, too. Was you just that cross-eye girl to sing in the choir?

Starting point is 00:08:24 Everywhere I was, yeah. Everyone was singing my heart out. But then I had some surgeries, and then teachers, like, she just is not paying attention in here. So homeschooled until sixth grade. And then seventh grade went back to the same high school. My dad went to, graduated with 32 kids. But how could you pay attention if your eyes weren't even team? like buddies or whatever.

Starting point is 00:08:45 No, the doctor described it to me. I just had another one like two, maybe three years ago. And it's kind of brutal, honestly. Like, they have to take your eyeballs out. You're lying. I swear it in. My God.

Starting point is 00:08:57 I get in there. It's crazy. And they go inside? Yeah, get in there. What's it called? I don't know. Damn. I just called it eye surgeries.

Starting point is 00:09:06 Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. But she described it to me like a horse and carriage, you know, when you have two horses. And one can't be going this way and one can't be going this way. That's not going to work, you know.

Starting point is 00:09:18 So they got to learn to work together. And mine just never did. And now you got them trusty steeds in your face, huh? Yeah, sometimes I slip up, but it's all right. That's just good character. You can just go like that. Yeah, yeah. I just look at everybody like this, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:09:32 Yeah, get them in line. Keep winking a lot. Yeah. That's wild. Did y'all have school dances at it? Well, I guess you've used homeschool, but if you got it, once you went to your dad's school, the same school he went to,

Starting point is 00:09:42 did you guys have dances at school? Yeah, it was like normal school. Did y'all have like Sadie Hawkins and stuff like that? That was like kind of southern style or what was the... No, it wasn't like a rich private school.

Starting point is 00:09:52 Like this is... Well, Sadie Hawkins... Well, Sadie Hawkins... I guess. You had to buy a t-shirt or some... Like the girl had to ask... Just like a homecoming dance? No, the girl had to ask the guy

Starting point is 00:10:03 and he had to get him a shirt that matched... You had to do matching shirts or whatever. Uh-uh. You didn't have it? Uh-uh. But if you all had a dance, what did y'all do with only that many? students in the class.

Starting point is 00:10:14 I would just dance. I don't know. We just danced around. Usually, we didn't stay that long. We'd go to like a bonfire or something afterwards. But was it hard to date, like in a school that small? Was it hard to fall? Like, was it, what was the energy like that?

Starting point is 00:10:26 I mean, you've known all these people your whole life. You know, they're, you know, what they're driving, you know, what their parent drive. I mean. Yeah. I mean, you know how it is. Yeah. That's why I really, this town and this job is very similar to a small town. Hmm.

Starting point is 00:10:41 you get used to like I kind of look at the fame thing like that now you know because when you're in a small town I'm like I would hear shit about me all the time I'm like I did what you know and I don't know you just get used to that so do you think not being from Nashville is better coming into this kind of place

Starting point is 00:11:02 like is it when you get here does it get so like is like the music scene for lack of a better term is it more like is it so some type of way if you're from Nashville do you think it feels different? Probably. I mean,

Starting point is 00:11:18 Ern's from Nashville. I mean, he's been here the whole time. But I guess I was like, does he feel like more of a pressure or more of a responsive? But I'm wonder, I guess I just wonder if anything's different.

Starting point is 00:11:27 Like if you come from an outside group, does it feel tougher? Does it feel easier maybe? Or do you? I think people probably in your town that you're from look at you a little crazier. You know, I'm like 16 years old

Starting point is 00:11:39 playing in weddings. 18 years old, you know, I went to Auburn for two years, university. But I was playing shows the whole time. Was that your first shows down there? No, actually, my first show was at this tiny little bar called Beslo's. It's this lake in Alabama is called Lake Martin, but there's all these little... Dude, I've been on Lake Martin. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:12:00 Bring up Lake Martin, dude, I can't even believe you said Lake Martin. Yeah, this is the lake I grew up going to every summer. It's one of the actually the biggest man-made lakes, I believe, in the I want to say the world it's not the world but I think North America at least it could be the world if you're from Alabama that is the damn

Starting point is 00:12:20 world exactly I remember when going to Florida would seem like it was like God somebody had went to damn mall like they'd done it like if somebody come back from summertime and they'd gone to Florida they had just done it they had won the world yes or they had a shirt on said Florida

Starting point is 00:12:36 or hard rock one of those hard rock The painted ones, whatever they do with the little air gun. What is it? That shit. An airbrush. Yeah. Ricky's in Destin or whatever, yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:48 Sick sunglasses. God, and just a fist jumping across the back or something. Everyone has like a tan line from the weird little band you have to wear it. Pulls your hair the whole time. God. Lake Martin in Alabama is considered the world's largest man-made lake. Wow. Upon its completion in 1926.

Starting point is 00:13:03 Created by the Martin Dam on the Tallapoosa River. It covers approximately 40,000 and 44,000 acres. Yeah, I had a girlfriend when I was a child, and we went out there. And her family had a lakehouse out there, and we'd go out there, do like, what's it called when you're kind of like behind the, no, no, when you're behind the, you're like on the board and you're like behind the. Oh, a knee board and leg boarding, all of it. Yeah. Full body board and. Foot boarding.

Starting point is 00:13:31 Yeah. Yeah. Just bored. He was just bored. I mean, you'd see somebody out there on a fucking piece of plywood out there just managing that bitch along the wake. It was beautiful out there Yeah, that's what we did all summer Yeah, I loved it

Starting point is 00:13:43 And Lake Life at like Lake Life is different Do strange shit happens out there Especially Lake Life in the country Yeah There's some real perverts out there too I will say that Some damp perverts or whatever Yeah

Starting point is 00:13:56 Red and eggs everywhere Yeah Easter just happened Did you guys Do y'all do eggs for Easter? Devil's eggs Really? Yeah

Starting point is 00:14:06 You never painted eggs growing up No yeah of course we did Yeah, dot them, painted them. With that little kid or whatever? Yeah, that's so fun. Yeah, dude, that was really nice. But what do you do with them afterwards? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:14:16 I think your grandpa would eat them or something. A lot of times we would drop them at like a senior center or something. Because regular people were not having like hard-boiled eggs. That was more like a senior dessert, kind of a senior delicacy, I think. Deviled eggs are amazing. Do you like them? I've had them once or twice, but I haven't really had them when I cared, I think. They had a rule at church.

Starting point is 00:14:38 that you could only have two doubled eggs on your first go because people would fight over them. They really would. We'd have potluck every Wednesday, so, like, best Southern food you can think of, like, all these old women in there just, I mean, cobblers and paceroles. Were people gambling at the, did they have that kind of thing, too? Sometimes there's, like, a potluck where they gamble at, a church for a fun reason?

Starting point is 00:14:58 No, they try not to gamble. That's the thing. Oh, yeah. Southern Baptist's try. Dude, the church boss, yeah, I don't know what was going on with it. I do remember the church bus they had. had like, um,

Starting point is 00:15:10 it might have been like seventh day, seventh Baptist or seventh day advertis, um, Advern. And then, um, but they, they would put those circus peanuts in wine and they would,

Starting point is 00:15:22 the kids could have those like during communion. You know, you know those orange circus peanuts that your grandparents had? They would put those. Disgusting. But they're not, if you soak them in like a, a,

Starting point is 00:15:31 a, like a religious wine, they're, they're not, they're good, they're pretty, good when you're a kid, you know. I've never seen that before. Yeah, they would have

Starting point is 00:15:42 like a wine glade and you'd get one out of there and that was just for the children. Did y'all ever go to judgment houses? No, what was it? It's like they do it around Halloween. Okay. It's like a haunted house. Yeah. Four Christians, I guess. Very scary.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Remember, our youth group took us. You get in there and it's like this car crash scene and it's pretty much like convincing you that, yes, convincing you that like you could die the second you walk out of here so you better settle up. You better get saved.

Starting point is 00:16:15 You better get saved and I had already been saved but gone through this affected me so bad that at the end they were like, anyone if you're not sure to sit down and talk and saw I like raise my hand you know and I sat down with the guy at the table in the booth and we had the whole conversation

Starting point is 00:16:31 I'll never forget coming home and my dad was laying on the couch watching Titanic And he, I said, Dad, I need to talk you about something. And I was like, I got, I got saved again tonight. And he like, my dad pauses the TV. He's pissed off about something. You know what I mean? He's like, that's how you know.

Starting point is 00:16:50 It's like, he said, you did what? I was like, Dad, I just got so scared of this thing. He's like, baby, you not. Immediately just like, when you are kind of a dumb ass, because, you know, that's the whole point of being saved. You got to get saved twice. Yeah, I was so scared. Wow.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Yeah. But you seem like a little bit of that danger baby, you know? You've always seemed like, I mean, like, I don't know you that, I don't know you very well. But to me, you've seemed like kind of like that danger baby, you know, it just seemed like a dang, like a hell's angel that got, you know, just took over a damn guitar city, you know? Like it just, you know, or just got, went haywire in a Gibson store, you know? You just seemed like that, like, yeah, maybe you needed it two times. Maybe fearless, I think, is what it is. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:17:36 I'm not afraid of a lot. Yeah. You feel risky or you feel fearless? I definitely take a lot of risks. And I do have a lot of fears, which is funny that I think that. But I think, I don't know, I don't necessarily view myself as the same as I think everyone views me, which is funny. But yeah, I say fearless would be the word. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:17:59 I'm just not afraid to take a chance on something. whatever it wants. If I want to do it, then I just know, like, I'm going to do it. I don't really, even if part of me doesn't want to. Like, I remember thinking as a kid with this music thing, like, man, that seems like a lot. I'm just be sure. That's really what we want to do?

Starting point is 00:18:16 And it's like, there's this thing inside of me that's like, if you don't do it, you're going to hate your life for your whole entire life. And so I was like, okay, but that still seems like a lot. But I just know when I make my mind up, I don't know. It seems like that. I mean, just from an outsider's perspective, you just seem like, you know what's going on. Dang it. Right.

Starting point is 00:18:37 Try to act like it. Yeah. But sometimes that's part of it. It really is part of life. It's really the whole thing. Yeah, it's like, sometimes it's like pretend until the rest of you shows up and joins you. No one's ever lived life before. Not one person has lived life before.

Starting point is 00:18:53 You know what I mean? It's my first attempt at life as a human being. You know what I mean? And so it's yours and everyone else is and it's funny. I think people forget that. Yeah, there's never a lot of credit for that. Yeah, what the heck? It's like...

Starting point is 00:19:05 It's like, as I first go. We hold people to do a lot of, like, serious stuff, and we're never like, yeah, you know what? It's his first time. It's the first time. Maybe we need to nap. Yeah. Yeah, dude. And first of all, if they had naps for adults, for everybody, it would all be so nice.

Starting point is 00:19:24 Yeah, but a nap goes one or two ways for me. I either wake up and I'm like, oh, I'm so glad. that I got that. Or I wake up and I'm hell on earth. Really? Mad, upset. My day's kind of real. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I'm like, gosh, I just wish I go back to sleep. It's one of those things you either power it through it or you don't. Well, you just sound damn volatile, Ella. I'm not. You're not. You sure? I think you're the only one saying that. I could be sure. You might be right. You might be right. Maybe this is that people have a perception of you that's not exact, you know, or that, I mean, nobody's perception of somebody else is, but, or rarely. But yeah, maybe people have that perception of that.

Starting point is 00:20:00 of you. Did whenever you were first doing shows, did they ever have like some fights at your shows or anything like that? Like,

Starting point is 00:20:05 were you in some real honky talks? Yeah. I've played every kind of show you can possibly imagine. Same, same. Like,

Starting point is 00:20:13 I mean, restaurants, weird little wing sports bar things. Funeral? Oh, yeah, funerals, so many funerals.

Starting point is 00:20:22 Weddings. I started out with weddings. That's my first gig ever. Who would ever hire a 15-year-old to play while you're walking down the aisle. I don't know. If they're decent, maybe, or if they're cheap.

Starting point is 00:20:33 I don't know. Yeah, well, 200 bucks, maybe. And I was like, I am rich. Decent and cheap, that'd be my first album, if I ever had one. But I don't know. It was always just... But do they have fights any of... They ever have a good... All the time. Yeah? Yeah. I watch one guy get arrested in Tuscaloosa selling Coke right in front of me on the floor,

Starting point is 00:20:55 and here I am to still playing, you know? No way. Yeah. Random. I played a lot of... The floor of Alabama. Prison I can tell, huh? Yeah. I mean. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:05 I played one of my last gigs I played. I fell through the stage, like my last cover gigs. I did that for a while. And I did never like... Would it like a finishing act or something? Hmm. Was it like a finishing like... No, I just there, the stage was terrible.

Starting point is 00:21:20 It's low budget. Oh, you just want some bad wood or something, huh? They put a rug over it thinking if she can't see this whole thing. Oh, God. You know. Yeah. But, yeah, play pretty much. much any and everything.

Starting point is 00:21:32 And what is this? Oh, that's you right there? Oh, wow. Yeah, it is, I guess. That's at my family reunion. I think I was like five, four or five. Is that only Martin? No, that's in Brantley, Alabama.

Starting point is 00:21:46 That's way out in the country. Funny about this is when we, I remember when we pulled up here and my dad was like, we got the family reunion down here at the whale, a buried whale out here. Mm-hmm. And as a kid, I was like,

Starting point is 00:21:58 a buried whale. why would they bury a whale all the way out here? Yeah. And, you know, I asked my dad about that, and he said, I was saying, well, whale. A buried whale out there. Dude, yeah, I remember I used to have to clean out wishing wells. In our area, they had this thing where they was trying to do, like, I guess, make money for the area or something, like, get a tourist thing. And so they had, they installed, like, a lot of wishing wells and stuff.

Starting point is 00:22:29 I got a job once I'm cleaning them out. So you get down there and have to get down in them. I've never seen that happen. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody gets in there. And I had very small kind of lean wrists and everything at the time and say, let me get down in there.

Starting point is 00:22:41 And you'd bring up all the stuff and put it on the side. And you got to keep some of the change. But then some of it you had to give to the city. But you find a lot of people, a lot of just throw a lot of junk down the recyclables, kind of a lot of to go orders to go barbecue kind of seem like anyway. You got to keep some of the change? Yeah. You just got to pick out which ones you kept?

Starting point is 00:23:01 No, they kind of, you gave it to them, and then they kind of gave you some back. All right, well, that's kind of nice. That's a good gig, I guess. I liked it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. And I found a sword in there, too, like a, I don't want to say a... What kind of sword? Yeah. I found like a...

Starting point is 00:23:16 What kind of sword? I think it was a dang. I don't want to say like a murder weapon or something, but I think it was a... A murder weapon, sword. I think it was a weapon. It looked like it had been used. Can you imagine you murder someone, and then you throw it, your place to throw it in a wishing well?

Starting point is 00:23:30 Yeah, I think so. What? I wish I hadn't killed him, maybe. Just throw that bastard in there. Hit the reverse on that. Well, I think that's how wishing well has got their name. It's like you dropped your money in a hole and you just wish you hadn't, probably. Yeah, maybe.

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Starting point is 00:26:08 I've used better help and, you know, hell, we all need help. Did you ever get in a fight at any of your spots or no? No. Anybody ever try you from the audience or anything like that? No. A lot of drunks just, you know, spelling their drinks all over the place. bumping into my microphone stand. I've had that happen a lot. Oh, that's the worst. When I hit the end of it, it just pops you right in the mouth. Oh, yeah, because you're not really expecting that? Well,

Starting point is 00:26:34 they're just so close to the stage, and you're playing college bars. Yeah. So a lot of college activity of it, air. Yeah. And was your family an Auburn fan growing up then? Yeah. My mom's from Michigan, like I said, so she just kind of never really cared about that stuff. My dad was an Auburn fan, but yeah, that's kind of our football thing. It's Alabama or Auburn. Yeah. There's no NFL team in Alabama, so. Yeah. And does your folks, your folks are still together? Hmm. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:02 Yes, they are. And do you think, like, what makes you laugh about that? It's been a wild ride. But they haven't given up. Nope. Precedurance. Pretty cool. It is really cool.

Starting point is 00:27:15 It's really cool to see how they are now. Because I think there were a lot of years, we're all like, y'all sure you like each other, you know? Yeah. But they did. They really stuck it out. God Was there

Starting point is 00:27:29 Was there like a time When your parents were like That they always say like Oh well we knew when this happened That she was going to be Do they have that kind of thing You know We're like we knew when she

Starting point is 00:27:39 You know My grandparents on my dad's side Pretty much raised me at their house I lived over there They My grandpa could play anything by ear They were a lot older My grandma was 45 when she had my dad

Starting point is 00:27:53 Oh wow Yeah But I was like the first girl and the family, and I started to match pitch with her as a baby, and so she figured out I could sing, and she's just, like, singing was her thing, and my grandpa could, like I said, play any instrument by ear, and so at their house, that's all we did. You was a little baby bird, huh? Oh, yeah, that's all we did, and they were like, this is what she's going to do, and so, yeah,

Starting point is 00:28:16 that's my grandpa right there. And they just put you out on the window sill out there. I sang at church a lot. I learned how to read from singing hymnal. but yeah I mean all I did and I really just the whole time like my whole family

Starting point is 00:28:29 we all just really that's what she's gonna do they just knew it the whole time was there a scary point for you like when you kind of like got a little bit spooked I remember whenever I met you

Starting point is 00:28:38 at one thing I do remember you saying is that I just knew that this is what I was this is what I was doing right I was so determined and I've talked to like Trey Lewis

Starting point is 00:28:49 I know you and him were friends and he mentioned that right whenever I ran into him one of we were watching your show at the knitting knitting factory maybe someplace I can't remember

Starting point is 00:28:59 might have been the Blue Berr or three's I don't know I'm terrible at remembering these it was a musical place and he said she just always been so determined right was there a part though when you like even your own determination came up against like

Starting point is 00:29:15 this just feels like it's going to be tougher than I thought or I don't know if this is the way or did it never get to that point for you? I think I always knew it was going to be tough. I mean, how many people moved to this town in a day to do this job? I don't know. There's just, it's scary all the time because I love it.

Starting point is 00:29:38 It's truly a part of who I am. Like, my whole life I've done it and wanted to do it and thought about it every day. Like daydreamed. Every time I'm in the car, I mean, hours and hours alone driving from gigs. Like dreaming about what? Just doing this, literally doing what I'm doing, like playing. on stages and writing songs and getting to do this craft for a living, you know. And I just feel like not everything always works out for me in my life.

Starting point is 00:30:05 And so I like to leave like very little room for error, you know. And so I think like just keeping my head down and I'm definitely my toughest critic. You know, like when I watch something, I'm never like, oh yeah, I crush that. Never ever. Very rarely do I walk off stage and I'm like, I was amazing out there. I'm always just like, dude, I was, what was that shit that I just said? That was so, what was the fuck is wrong with me? Like, why would I say that?

Starting point is 00:30:30 Well, it must be crazy. Because you seem like such a, like, a, like, kind of like, almost say, you'll say whatever. You kind of save your. I do. That's the thing. And then to be such a tough critic of that person is a lot of, that's a lot of extra stress, it feels like. Yeah, yeah, I'm getting better at it for sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:47 It's weird, and I'm sure you understand this, like looking at yourself through the eyes of others. Like, no one should know this many thoughts about themselves. Like, when everyone's like, what superpower do you want? I'm never understood when people were like, I want to be able to read minds. Like, fuck that. I do not want to know what somebody's thinking. Because half these people, I wouldn't either, dude. Especially if you're at, like, someplace and everybody's just a damn pervert or something, you know?

Starting point is 00:31:12 Oh, yeah. And that would be most of it. No way, man. No way. Even if you're at, like, even if you're just at a dang, um, uh, golden carous, no matter where you are, everybody, just like, I bet. You would read mine. My dad loves a Golden Corral or a Shonis.

Starting point is 00:31:26 Dude, my stepdad, he was in one of the wars. And he would, dude, after they would go to, like, the Golden Crow, whatever was, like Chinese Corral or something or like the Yellow Bin or whatever it was called, he would sit my mom in the car and then he would go back in and apologize for fighting these, who we thought were like the same ethnicity people when he was in like Iwo Jima or something. like that. He'd go back in and apologize every time. Yeah. He would go back in and just kind of say, you know, give his peace, you know? And it was like this moment that he kind of had, you know, where, and I think it's probably like that for some people. That's like they probably went

Starting point is 00:32:08 and fought in a war. And then the only people they ever saw from that culture again was that like if a small restaurant popped up in their town 40 years later, that's got to be crazy. Yeah, they all, I don't know, I can't imagine that. I'm very interested in that. One of my My favorite things to read about is historical fiction. Yeah? Mm-hmm. You watch every any of those war movies? Yeah, my dad loves a war movie.

Starting point is 00:32:30 Jarrheads. I don't know how many times that's been on in our living room. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, my uncle even has the soundtrack to Jareheads. I'm like, who has the soundtrack to this shit? On CD or what? I think it might be. He said it was Blu-ray.

Starting point is 00:32:43 He went, like, he went all in on Blu-ray. Yeah. And he lost a lot. Yeah. But, yeah, dude, I like some of those war movies. I think it is to just make you feel something, you know? Yeah, it feels like you're learning a little. Feels like you're learning a little, but also, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:59 And it makes you feel something. I like something. I'll say this. If there's a little bit of loss in something, I like that shit. Yeah, keeps your attention. I like something that's got a little bit of loss in it. Some of your music and probably a decent amount of it, to me, seems like it's like about kind of like,

Starting point is 00:33:19 like wanting love or or hoping for love but not like kind of being able to make it work or I'm trying to think what I'm trying to say. I think you're doing great. That was a good question so far. They are? Yeah. Thanks, dude. Yeah, I think I just get.

Starting point is 00:33:38 Sometimes I get worried or not. I don't know. I mean, I get nervous. I was so nervous before I came in here today. Were you? So nervous. Yes. Why?

Starting point is 00:33:45 What do you mean? You're the most confident person there is. I don't know. I don't know. You are, you know? Well, I mean, you got to put on the suit. That's true. And the rest you'll show up?

Starting point is 00:33:56 That's something that I told you I learned in Southern Baptist in a small town is you learn to put on a face a little bit. You know what I mean? You can't let everyone know everything that's going on all the time. But also it's like I run out of the ability to do that. We get burned out of it. Yeah, and I just, that's been something I've had to work really hard on is the mental of this game. And I knew the whole time that would be the toughest thing for me. Really?

Starting point is 00:34:21 Yeah. Well, you can't pin yourself to the way somebody else operates. That's something that I've done over the years. Like, if they can do it, I can do it. I'm not the same person as them, right? And our paths aren't the same. Yeah. And I mean, I've burnt, I've floored it for 200 miles when I had nothing at a time.

Starting point is 00:34:40 Well, I think it's because you are similar in the way where you're like, you kind of fly through life by the seat of your pants. You know what I mean? And it's like you're just following. your gut on what you should do with your life. And instead of like, you know, if you go to school to be a doctor, like, you know, you do this many years of school to go and you're going to do this. And it's like, we have no idea how this is going to, every single day is different. Every single day something could happen that could change our lives for the best or the worst.

Starting point is 00:35:06 And you just never know. Yeah. And so I think like you learn this skill to, you know, watch others in the way where you learn, you know. And I think in the beginning, it pushed me. I would always, like, compare my work ethic to Lainey was a great one for me, you know. Yeah. But I don't know how she's superhuman. She is.

Starting point is 00:35:28 I don't know how she does what she does. But, yeah, I'm different than that, you know. Like, I have to go be in my house and recharge. Recharge. Rest. Yeah. Take time. Same.

Starting point is 00:35:40 I got to do. I mean, I'm getting dang. I Vs. I'm petting animals for peace or whatever. They have this. Yeah. They got a peace pet in place that's out there, and you go pet those horses for peace or whatever? I just got some horses.

Starting point is 00:35:52 Did you? Yeah. God. I'm thinking about getting a Doberman. It's big, but... Yeah. It's nothing like that. It came in riding at Doberman, and it was big enough to do that.

Starting point is 00:36:02 It's just like you found Clifford, but he's a Doberman this time. And Ernest is on the other one, dude? Yeah, yeah, but he's actually on Clifford. Yeah. He's dressed like... He has his grill in, for sure. There was like a hundred shades of Ernest. that's the crazy

Starting point is 00:36:17 and there's nobody who has like is such a cameoian I think in humanity is earnest you know what a guy oh my question so I feel like a lot of your songs are about

Starting point is 00:36:27 like wanting to like find a love or connect with love but also like about like wanting independence you know um do you feel like you have like commitment issues

Starting point is 00:36:38 when it comes to that kind of stuff or do you feel like some of your song stem from that sort of thing or like do you find like a common like root for some of your purpose in your music? You know, I think that's the thing that

Starting point is 00:36:54 sometimes people think about too much, honestly, where it's like, what is the purpose to everything? What is the finished product? I don't know. I'm only 26. Yeah. It's like, I'm just writing about, I'm not going in the room thinking, okay, I need an up-tempo song today

Starting point is 00:37:12 and I need it to be perfect for radio, or I need to write this type of acoustic thing, you know, like, I'm going in there and just writing songs, like whatever comes out that day comes out, you know, and I'm really big on not forcing, not forcing, you know, just if I feel like I'm in there and I'm not having fun, I'm like, why are we doing this? I've somehow got to do the job I've always wanted to do. No way, I'm not going to let it be fun when we're sitting in here writing these songs, you know? So, yeah, I don't know, just sometimes, like, I'll have a title that I really want to write, or someone in the room will say something,

Starting point is 00:37:45 and then it's just like, if all of you click on that title, like, you've got to chase it. So, yeah, I mean, and obviously, I mean, me being 26 and not married, like, I've been dating, you know. I've been trying to figure that portion of my life out too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:03 Which is complicated when you have pretty much given your everything to this one thing, you know. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, I can relate to that. I spend so much time working that, yeah, it's like, this was my first love. I liked work the most. And because work was reliable. It's like I knew what I got in.

Starting point is 00:38:25 What I put into this, I'm going to get out of this. One way or the other. And I'll know if it's fair or not. I'll know if it's a fair amount because I'll know how much I put in. That part of myself, I can't lie to. So it's like, I'll know. And it's an even. It'll be even.

Starting point is 00:38:41 It may not be exactly what I want. but it will be fair. But you know you gave it you're all. Yes, and to me, I know, I know, and so I know I will expect

Starting point is 00:38:51 a certain return, and there's not somebody else there that, like, when it's a human, for me, it's like, that's just too. It's like whenever you first learn to ride that bike and you're doing that or whatever,

Starting point is 00:39:03 you know what I'm saying? And then you just, you forget that, like, you're like turning the handlebars like this, you think they're the pedals and you just hit them. If this starts happening,

Starting point is 00:39:10 you're going down. You're going down. That's the, scariest feeling ever. The worst, yeah. Oh, so many scars from asphalt. And then you hit the neighbor's gate or whatever and somebody just called you like a queer yell, something like that or something, you know?

Starting point is 00:39:23 That's the worst I hate when that used to happen. Yeah, and it's your dad driving by. It's definitely your dad. It would definitely my dad. And you haven't even seen him in like two years and you're like, this is how he shows up. Yeah. But yeah, that's something I think about knowing what you're going to, like what you put in in and what you're going to get out.

Starting point is 00:39:41 do you feel like um because now you've kind of hit this level of popularity that's a little bit different and that's kind of scary right yeah i mean it's cool there's a lot of great things um but that to me that feels interesting because you kind of like you almost can't put put it back in the tube in a way it's like it's like you know like you can't like once you kind of cross over a certain like threshold of like people knowing you you kind of can't like you know your life can change and maybe, you know, people come and go in popularity. But you kind of can't go back to not being someone that was known. I think that's another one of the hardest parts for me.

Starting point is 00:40:26 And it's, I think it's just people treating you differently. Yeah. I just, it's weird when somebody comes up and they're just like, it makes sense to me because if I were to see Stevie Nix in the grocery store, like, I would be a little like, you know. Yeah. but it's weird when it's yourself. You know, like, someone's coming up to you and they're like,

Starting point is 00:40:44 oh my God, I'm going to throw up on your shoes. You're like, whoa, like, I am so weird, like just, you know, immediately try to like level myself in a way. But, yeah, that's an odd part. But it is cool. I'm starting to, I'm getting past the stage of like, what? Like, because it was so in the beginning, so new, like,

Starting point is 00:41:05 it was weird when somebody knew who I was or when I'm sitting at the table out to eat with friends or family, and somebody's like, hey, can I get seven selfies with you? And I'm like, have like a half a meatball in my mouth. I'm like, bro, that's crazy. Or you haven't even washed up or you just don't even feel like a certain way? In the bathroom? Have you ever had one to ask you?

Starting point is 00:41:23 Someone in the bathroom? You're like, bro, no. No. And then if you say no, I've had a girl. I was making my whole band do this ab workout routine. We were in P-Fitness somewhere around the world. And this girl comes up to me mid-crunch. She's like, can I have a picture?

Starting point is 00:41:39 Yeah. And then I, like, it was in the beginning. And now I would be like, probably not right now. Yeah. I'll sign it. Whatever. You know what I mean? Just pick better time.

Starting point is 00:41:47 But. Oh, yeah. In the beginning, you'll give it all. You'll give apps. Yeah. But then I get up to take the picture with her. And she just like, no, no, no, I just want to take one of you. Oh, that's weird.

Starting point is 00:41:54 You ever get that? When they're like, when I take one of you. And you're like, no, no. If I'm sweating in this, you are too. Yeah. So you're just, what, some kind of pervert or whatever? Or you're just making a time capsule or something? You don't say, you're just capturing me to keep me.

Starting point is 00:42:06 No, I just want to take one of you. Yeah, I'm not doing all that. What's your pose if someone to take one of you, you know? I'll tell you a funny story. I can't. Oh, I'll tell them no. If somebody's like, I just want to take one of you? Yeah, you're like, no.

Starting point is 00:42:18 I'm like, you get over here, you little urch, and you're getting in this bitch with me. If I have to stand here and look like shit, you do too. That's what I said. Yeah. Dude, a couple, probably like a year and a half ago, I started to have, like, because we would do meeting greets after every shows.

Starting point is 00:42:33 And maybe some of this sounds like, like, kind of woe is me, like, popularity talk. And I'm not mean in that. I'm grateful that people come out to shows. And I've been to a couple of years' shows, and I'm excited to go to more of them. I'm excited to come to that one in Tuscalo where you and Morgan are playing together.

Starting point is 00:42:52 And then I know, I know of your own tour and your new album that's going to come out. But, yeah. But I couldn't smile anymore. This must, this must, in my mouth. Oh, yes. Start doing that fidget thing?

Starting point is 00:43:08 Yes. Terrible. And then it got to the point where I just didn't even believe it anymore. My mouth had just, there was some disconnection between like my true feelings and a smile because these were all like kind of put on smiles. And some of them are real, but, you know, you're just like smile, you know, it is smile, cheese, that type of thing. So I had to start doing this.

Starting point is 00:43:29 So in all my- That's how that started? Yes. So in all my pictures, I was like, I have to make another face. And this on me, like, it looks a little too Like people are going to get scared of the kids Are going to kind of be scared a little bit. I think it was kind of nice.

Starting point is 00:43:43 So I'll do like, you know, like... Just anything? Yeah, because this just started... Yeah, that... See? Yeah. And when... But just the close mouth smile was nice.

Starting point is 00:43:56 Well, no, no. That was different. You didn't do it the same that time. Let me try one more time. Yeah. Well, no. Kind of close. Try one more time, but don't squint your lips so much.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Let them loose, leave them loose a little. Start from the sign how you came in. Okay. Oh, what's happening? Nothing much. Yeah, that right there. Thank you. Take a picture of that.

Starting point is 00:44:19 Practice. You're an artist. You're a conductor. Well, thank you. She's a conductor. Yeah, I remember the first time I was like, because I didn't know, like, as your popularity, really, I guess the first time that I met you.

Starting point is 00:44:32 And I remember I said something like, man, Laney really does such a great job of, control on the stage because I was kind of compliment her because she really does. And you were, I can't remember what you said, but it was something like, I don't know if I said like something like. No, you were like, you should try running around to stage like that or something. Yeah. And I was like, first of all, you ain't ever been to a show so that, you know.

Starting point is 00:44:55 I know. To show up and be judgmental like that. Yeah. And then that, yeah. I think I was just nervous. I was like, I kind of move around a little bit. Well, I've thought about that moment multiple times because I'm like, Should I move around more?

Starting point is 00:45:07 Like, is that, like, has you seen things that I should do? No. You should come to rehearsals and let me know? I think I was just nervous and I probably didn't know what to say and it was a woman until I was just trying to say something. And maybe it wasn't, yeah, I just didn't do the best supportive job probably. It panned out. But, yeah, I've seen it since and I'm not even going to weigh in anymore.

Starting point is 00:45:28 Now, I really like it. No, I really made me think extra hard about that. And I was like, damn, the other things I'm lazy on stage. No, I didn't think lazy. I didn't know. I had no idea. A little lazy? No.

Starting point is 00:45:40 I can't, she run, I don't know how she does it. She does the whole spin thing. Now, she does a lot. I told you she is superhuman. She does a whole, like, fantasia, almost like that, like. Yeah. Yeah, she does it. When she does that spin thing, I would fall down 100%.

Starting point is 00:45:56 Just swinging that donkey around. I'm like, what is even going on out here? She has got it. Yeah. That's probably what it is. is. I ain't got no balance like that. I mean, I ain't evened out, you know? She's got them ballast tanks on her, you know?

Starting point is 00:46:10 She's like set up to go. Oh, she's a pontoon, I'll tell you that. She's locked in. Yes, she's locked in. But no, what a great person to learn from and be around. And even just to watch, like, the things that she does. And just to notice all this things, like, how is she able to engage with people so much, you know? I don't know how Jellyroll did it.

Starting point is 00:46:27 Jellyroll got burnt out, though. Jelly is the same way. But he got burnt out. Yeah, I think it happens to everybody. It'll get you. Yeah, I mean, no one's actually doing it all. Yeah, I mean, everyone gets burned out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:39 Did, was there a moment where you kind of had to take a step back, you take a vacation? What do you do like for that sort of thing? Have you learned to incorporate that into things? Because you're already back out here. You're going to go on tour again. Yeah. I don't know. I'm still figuring it out.

Starting point is 00:46:54 I think my team's figuring out a little better how to schedule in the time that's needed. But when you're in this boom moment, it's hard to say no. I mean, you're saying no to stuff that I'm like, I do kind of want to do that. But it's like, you know, I'm thinking to things six months down the road. I'm like, I'll be able to do that. And then I get there, I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I'm dying. Why did I do that?

Starting point is 00:47:16 What am I doing this lemonade drinking contest? Yeah, but then I'm like, if I turn it down, you know, sometimes I'm like, come on. You can't, what's wrong with you? Why, you can't do that? You're going to be, some people would kill to be playing that, you know, and then I have that whole thing. So last year, It just, like I said, I think the mental game for me is definitely the hardest part of this job.

Starting point is 00:47:39 Like, I can do the gigs, I can do the shows, I can do that. I don't know, the burnout, I guess. Like thinking you can work through it, I'll fight through it, I'll figure it out. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, Lord, we toured pretty much minus a couple weeks here and there from 2022 to 2025, you know. And I mean, hot and heavy, most of that was in a van, you know, and then one bus, and we're all packed on there. And it was still like, it just happened so fast. So it's like, we're still doing these things, but these things are happening.

Starting point is 00:48:13 And so everyone from the outside is like, man, that's pretty nice. And you're like, well, you know, we're still getting there. We're still doing our baths. Yeah. And a van, people don't get even enough credit for even being in a damn van. Somebody asked me the other day. They're like, do you miss that? I'm like, hell no, I don't miss that.

Starting point is 00:48:29 I think people should get a tax credit for being in a damn van, dude. We did years of that. If I see a van pull up any van and somebody gets out of the back of it, I'll start clapping immediately. Immediately. I don't care what they're doing. I don't care if they are, you know, very religious and that's, you know, when the side door's broken or whatever, or they are just a big family. I always wondered what people thought we were traveling around when they'd see us get out at a gas station. And it was just like me, my photographer, Kaylee, and a whole bunch of people.

Starting point is 00:48:59 of tattooed guys, just crawling out of a van, looking disheveled, smelling like Doritos probably. Oh, yeah. And whiskey. Doritos are good at over 50 miles an hour in a day of the day. I lived off some gas station food for years. Tequitos from the gas station. They're good. They're good.

Starting point is 00:49:16 In the moment. Yeah. But some of them, my problem is if you, I'll get a bag and then I'll go get them in the middle of the night and get more of them. Yeah. You ever get a crunchy one where it just ruined the whole thing? It's like. Uh-uh.

Starting point is 00:49:29 the tequitos? Yeah. I like them. Or a hot dog. Oh, hot dogs are good, but they're just, sometimes they don't honestly tell you how long they've been on that twirler. Out there on the little riverboat thing. They just put them back out there every so often.

Starting point is 00:49:43 What is that? They put a bunch of hair curlers together and started just grilling them bitches. Who knows what kind of meat is really in this thing? Well, that's not meat. What are you talking about? Dude, this is some, this ain't no. Meat, bro. I wonder, my, I have a lady that's, like, doing all my health stuff.

Starting point is 00:50:02 You don't think so? The buffalo chicken, you don't think that is. I bet there ain't a half percent of meat in now, baby. This is meatless. They should just stay something warm on the outside of it. But, yeah, when you get those Hunt Brothers pizzas, those little slices. Oh, the breakfast one? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:19 That's what I grew up on. On Hunt Brothers? Yeah. I think it's Hunt Brothers. Is there an S at the end of it? Was there more than one? There you go, girl. I've been saying it wrong.

Starting point is 00:50:30 Hutt's brothers. But that's what it is. That's what it is. That's what they say it. Have you seen the country hoodlums people? Have you seen those, Instagram? Pull them up, dude, if you can. I put them on a page the other day.

Starting point is 00:50:42 The what? On my links page. This is the kind of place I grew up. I'll show you right here. I can't wait to see this. This is like our street. What's you doing, Christy? I'm about to burn his shit.

Starting point is 00:50:56 He won't have a lot of shit. something that's fall tall is going to happen. About me? I'm fucking Facebook live. I'm at his shit when he was calling me five minutes later.

Starting point is 00:51:04 I'm about come get him. Well, Christy, he loved, he loved, Glass loves those, those golf clubs. Glass loved those golf clubs. This is the kind of shit

Starting point is 00:51:16 was going on on our street. No, no. You for real? No. And you know what he did probably. Oh, yeah. He doesn't fooling around. And he about to find out

Starting point is 00:51:28 grab it. That's the kind of shit we need more of, I think. But yeah, this is just the kind of place. Have you ever seen them country hoodlums? Oh, man. This is like a whole thing? They have probably like two or three hundred clips. Now they put up clips every day and it's just them.

Starting point is 00:51:48 It's just like people living their lives. Oh, oh. Like it's real life people. It's not like the same ones. People always say this guy or him and Ernst seem like each other. No, go hit that top left one. Keep them coming. Janet.

Starting point is 00:52:01 Ms. Janet? Yeah. Let's see it, Ms. Jared. He just got baptized, actually. Let's do it. Hey, Jen. And I'll say this, the women are the people they hold it together in this group. Mama.

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Starting point is 00:54:42 Mm-hmm. Make it long. Mm-hmm. You like it long? Sonny's was something else, dude, and they would give away these stuffed animals up front. Mm-hmm. And the sewing on them was real bad. By the time you got the bitches to the car, they was more of a, they looked, they was starting

Starting point is 00:54:58 to give out a little. Did you go to IHOP? We went to I-Hop. but Waffle House? We went to Waffle House. Yeah, dude. At our Waffle House, they had, like, it was like, our town was like at the end of, like,

Starting point is 00:55:10 the longest bridge in the world for a while anyway, and then they built a death from them, but then that one got toured down, and so we were back. Anyway, they had a, they had a, so the people that would get DUIs on there at night or DWIs at night,

Starting point is 00:55:26 the police officers would just drop them off at the Waffle House. They wouldn't arrest them. They just take them down there and drop them off. That's kind. Yeah, it's really cool. I'm just like, hey, Stay here and sober up. So when you as a kid, you was running around, you could just pop in there and just hang,

Starting point is 00:55:36 you'd be hanging out with the drunks and eating with all these cool drunks and shit. I think that's a lot of Waffle House is late at night. Yeah. Ours was, too. It's kind of like a little mini rehab. I'm smoking sick outside, one of the cooks, you know. Oh, definitely.

Starting point is 00:55:47 I'm being, baby. Yeah, yeah. Or, dude, the best is the white guy that can't even blink his eyes. So he's so geeked up and he's just fucking making eggs, boy. Dude, so many, so many things. Oh, he'll just rip an omelet out of a chicken's ass. That dude's ready. And they're all yelling at him.

Starting point is 00:56:02 Yes. The best are the fights in there when they start fighting. It's so closed environment in there when they do the fights. I don't like being in the cage. They do the fights. So you've seen them? Yeah, it's like I don't like being in the cage. I want to be outside of the cage.

Starting point is 00:56:16 If they lock the door. You sit on this side of the bar and they are on that side. Oh, that's, yeah. Oh, you mean the employees fighting. Yeah. I don't like a... Just random ones. I like to go off my house and watch fights.

Starting point is 00:56:26 Yeah. Well, dude, the one in Baton Rouge used to do a... Look up Valentine's Day. Waffle House Baton Rouge. They did a special thing. Did they do it at other ones you know about? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:37 I, like the decorations? Yeah, they would decorate it and you could make a reservation. Yes, where they put like a white tablecloth. Yes. That? It's romantic. I would really like that.

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Starting point is 00:57:18 you're not alone. Let's walk through what experiences like and how to make it special. I like that. Heart-shaped hash browns. You know they have that? Stake and eggs

Starting point is 00:57:31 with extra size. to share. I think I've been to Waffle House on New Year's Day for the past like five years. Oh God. Maybe even six. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:57:40 Yeah. That's beautiful. They used to have like a badge or like a recurring partner system. Chocolate pie slices and strawberry milkshakes served as a simple date night drink. A steak from a Waffle House.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Hell yeah. I was doing it up. Dude, I met a woman off the Internet once and she was from another country. She'd never been to a Waffle House. and I took her to one, and she loved it. That's one of my red flags. If guys are like,

Starting point is 00:58:07 let's go to Waffle House early in the morning, and he's like, no. He says no? Let's go to Cracker Barrel. I feel like Waffle House over Cracker Barrel. I don't know. I don't know. It depends on if I want pancakes.

Starting point is 00:58:20 I don't know. A lot of these pancakes these days are too hot. They're too fluffy and fat for me. I like that bitch. Like, somebody already tried to eat it, and it said, hell, no. I like that thing tough. I like a pen.

Starting point is 00:58:32 What does that look like? Just a pancake. I like that. Flat. Yeah, flat. I don't like that big fluffy. It looks like part of a piece of, like an actual part of a layer of cake. I think that's a flapjack.

Starting point is 00:58:43 Yeah, it could be. What is a flapjack? Bring it up because, yeah, people are wandering around. People are eating hot cake. What is the difference between pancake and flapjack? People are eating all of them, Ella. I don't know. A British flapjack is a simple, chewy and only baked bar made by melting butter.

Starting point is 00:58:59 No. Don't even pull up with that shit. I'll burn you down golf clubs. if you pull that shit up again. It's not that bar thing. No, it's not. It is a, I like that group. Now, some people came out with something, here we go.

Starting point is 00:59:13 A flapjack is a baked oat bar. This isn't it, man. Yeah, I think it is the oat bar. Well, then, I've been getting something else. I call it a flapjack. I like that thing that's real, just kind of a little more flimsy, kind of. It looks like it'll fucking slap your ass

Starting point is 00:59:28 if you're walking by, you don't talking about. It would make the sound. Yeah. Finally, your brother made a little bit. sound, so he's having a good time. And I'll tell you something, I don't love a ton of syrup. I like a fair amount, but I don't like too much. I love it.

Starting point is 00:59:41 You do, do you like condiments and stuff like that? Are you a condiment person? Sauce. Yeah? Anything. I love it. You ever had that Zitzaki sauce? Bring it up.

Starting point is 00:59:49 Yeah. You've had it? The Zack sauce? No, Zitzaki. No. I never heard of that. Zad Zat. Tzziqi.

Starting point is 00:59:59 Tzik. Don't even fucking tell me that's how y'all spell. Bro. To Zika. What did you just say? Zachariah songs? No, I said, Dave. I said, Levitians 413.

Starting point is 01:00:11 That's what I said, dude. I said Copernicus 126. Yeah, I've had that sauce before. Yeah, people say, say, Zit, uh, Zat, Zat, Zikki. I want that Zat Ziki, baby. Yeah. People love that Zat Ziki. Now, what I will say is this.

Starting point is 01:00:30 I do like it. How do you prefer it? Zat Ziki? Yeah. Just straight up in the little... With a little bread thing? Oh, I'll take it with a pee to use these as I'll have it,

Starting point is 01:00:41 but I'll have a little... I mean, I'll never take them one and drinking one or whatever. Like my sister used to steal all those little coffee creamers from the freaking place. My step-dad would take us and she would drink them in her bed

Starting point is 01:00:51 at night, all those little... Dude, the little ones? The hazelnut was in... That cannot be good. That's sleepy little bit... I cannot be in for your gut. That sleepy little bitch would fucking finish off six of those

Starting point is 01:01:03 and wondering why she's He's having nightmares because you're drinking damn stolen milk, okay? I don't understand how those stay good out for so long. I don't ever understand. And why can conument stay on the tables at restaurants for so long, but they can at the house? Yeah. I got a lot of questions. But no, they used to put them, they used to put the creamers on a thing of ice.

Starting point is 01:01:24 In some places that I think still ever speak. They still do, yeah. But some of them, those hazelnut ones, those are bad for you. They'll just give it to you in a coffee mug. That's already there. Yeah. Yeah. It was like piling them in a coffee mug and hand it to you.

Starting point is 01:01:36 Oh, yeah. Somebody was just stack them in like that. But my sister would have six or 11 of them bitches in there complaining she's got an upset stomach, bitch. Of course you do. She's probably going to have the upset stomach for the rest of her life due to that. And she already had a damn liver transplant. You ain't get nothing else.

Starting point is 01:01:52 Mom got her that when we were kids. What did you get? I didn't get shit, dude. I remember I got roller skates that were way too big for me. What were you like? What did you do? Me? I was pretty good, I guess. I don't know. I was kind of a... I like to do my own thing. I just like to hitchhike and just have angry thoughts, I think, a lot as a kid. Yeah. What did you do? You do, like, play sports? Yeah, I played basketball. What did I like to do? I like to be on my bike when I was a kid.

Starting point is 01:02:23 My dad was super old, so we was always, like, messing with him and shit. My dad was like, my dad was 70 when I was born, so he was an old guy. Yeah, he was old. And my brother used to come in the room. I've told this before my brother would come in the room and he'd be like, Dad's dead. And I'd be like, what? He'd like, yep, go in there. Go in there.

Starting point is 01:02:45 He's dead. And I'd go in there and he wouldn't be dead. Yeah. How many times did that happen? Oh, well, then this is how weird. It started to flip after a while because he'd be like, Dad's dead. And I'd be like, he'd freaking better be dead. Or you're dead.

Starting point is 01:02:58 Or I'm going to whip your ass. Yeah. So it got to the point where you're, like hope like if dad's alive, somebody's getting their ass beat. So which is a crazy concept to have. You have to go in there and check one more time. Yeah, when your dad is barely alive. You just get on there, they're kind of pissed off like this.

Starting point is 01:03:13 There's three pictures. And you look at the top. Look, top four actually are all me. Zoom in on all of those. God, that looks good. That one's me. No, it ain't. Yep.

Starting point is 01:03:26 No, it's not. Well, look. Is it really? We had some tough years, yeah. I mean, obviously bring that kid back up. Dude, that is not you. We had some damn tough. What's going on with that little thing on the side?

Starting point is 01:03:42 Oh, honey, that's a fade, girl. That's a one into a 19. Have you ever seen that cut? That's crazy. It's like a bowl cut with like a weird shaped bowl. That's a Christian cut right there. Yeah. Who cut your hair growing up, Ella Langley?

Starting point is 01:03:58 All kinds of people. I have a bad tendency to cut. up my own hair. Yep. Yeah. I like that best. I really, there's something about it. Why do you do that and why have you enjoyed that?

Starting point is 01:04:08 I don't know, because it doesn't always go, most of the time it goes bad. That's how I got bangs in the first place. I stopped, I was wearing a cowboy hat for a while. And then I took it off because it was windy, one show, and it was pissing me off. I decided, you know what, I'm going to take it off. And I liked how my bangs, like, were kind of around my face. Mm-hmm. And like 20 minutes before I walked out on.

Starting point is 01:04:31 stage. I decided to cut my fringe a little bit, and it was so bad. There was like one piece right here. And I was shooting the cover art for my first record that next week, and Kaylee was like, I hate you. So I had to get, I just told her to full send it with the bangs. Yep. And now you're in. I don't think I can ever change it. Yeah, you love it that much, huh? It changed my life a little bit. Really? Yeah, I would say. I mean, I don't know. I don't No, the bang thing is that... I think it's the music. Well, yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:05 But yeah. Well, maybe a little bit of the music, but mainly the bangs. The bangs are nice. You know what's funny is? There's a... I think there's a, like, a... What's it called? Like a big poster board in the air or whatever?

Starting point is 01:05:19 I don't know what you're referencing right now. It looks crazy. Billboard. There's like a billboard over on Hillsborough Pike, and I thought it was you on it. I think I know what board you're talking about. Dude, here's a funny thing. I'd go by it sometimes and I'd always just rattle off something or sing a couple of your lyrics to it.

Starting point is 01:05:38 And then somebody told me, somebody told me it's not you. It's not. But I know what you're talking about. And what do you mean you'd sing a couple of lyrics to do? I would just rattle off something, you know? I was like, oh, there's Ella. Just to be like, what's up? Oh, she's still high and mighty up on that billboard up there.

Starting point is 01:05:56 And I think it's for her earring company. I said, with her fancy earrings or whatever. Big earrings, too. I mean, this lady had damn bird cages hanging off her head over there. No, it wasn't me. It wasn't you, though. Wish it was. God.

Starting point is 01:06:08 Yeah. Yeah, I'd have gotten to spend more time with you. So me too. It would have been nice, I think. At school, sometimes we ask about Valentine's Day. Did you have a thing at school where you had valentines at school? Or was y'all school too small to even give a Valentine? Because other people's feelings could really get hurt in that sort of closed environment.

Starting point is 01:06:27 No, we still had Valentine's Day. God. Yeah, we still did. It did. Every feelings did get hurt. If there's nine kids in my class and there's Valentine's Day, dude, I couldn't cut that. I never forget this kid. He was in our class. His name was Freddie. And he brought in this little bear and he gave it to me. And he's like, for you to have this bear, you've got to be my girlfriend. I was like, sorry, buddy. Can't do it.

Starting point is 01:06:52 I'm a horse girl. And then he gave, yeah. But then he went over to Shelly and gave her the bear. No, he didn't. And I was like, hey, Freddy. Come back over here. I will be your girlfriend. Oh, damn. Give me that bear back. So you saw that competition, and Ella said, I ain't losing now.

Starting point is 01:07:07 Yeah. And Freddie was willing to get a woman an animal. Dude, I remember we had a guy by us. He was a taxidermist or whatever, and I just remember he had all these hard stuffed animals. I didn't know. Hard ones, yeah. Yeah, I was like, that dude has the hardest stuffed animals ever. And he gave me like a squirrel because my mother said I'd love it over there all the time.

Starting point is 01:07:25 She'd find me over there. And he gave me like a squirrel, and I slept with that thing. My mom said for like four years. big taxidermian ass squirrel. No, you didn't. With a hard tail, yeah. What do you mean a hard tail? He had it.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Bring up a... Look at that bitch. Yeah, look at the one. Yeah, that's a stripper. I've never seen one done like that before. Look at the one that's a stripper right there. That's the one that you had for sure. I think, I mean, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:07:48 I was young, but I was happy to have it. Yeah. Look at the one canoeing in its own tail. That's pretty great, actually. Did it have a name? Huh? Did you name this world? Yeah, Mr. Tucker.

Starting point is 01:07:59 So he could have been trans. I have no idea. Who knows? Okay, a couple questions about your album and then your new... Would you say? I'll say real quick. Ella, could you pull your mic to the right just a little bit? Will you come help her, Trevin?

Starting point is 01:08:14 She doesn't need any help. Sorry. That's perfect. This is Ella. Why'd you say that? Just because I'm thinking if there's one lady that doesn't need any help, it's probably you, I think. Sometimes I need help.

Starting point is 01:08:25 You do? Yeah. Yeah. I know. Sometimes I do, too. I think that's one tough thing about like when you like kind of like when things start like, I think if you're like a person that's kind of controlling or you know, you like to have a say in everything you do, do you feel like you're that kind of person? Like you were, that's one thing that I love about Morgan is.

Starting point is 01:08:44 Morgan knows exactly what he's doing. He is dialed in to a T I feel like on what is him and what represents him. Yeah, I'm very much that way. I mean, every bit of what I do. I have my hand in it. You know, I'm co-producing the record. I'm writing stuff for the music video, co-directing that. I'm, you know, making the set list for the show and kind of creating that set.

Starting point is 01:09:08 I literally drew out our set in my journal. It was like, gave it to the set designer. Really? It was like, this what I want. And they literally made that for me. So when people come to see this next door, it's all you. No, I mean, I have an incredible team. Right, but it's all comes from you originally.

Starting point is 01:09:24 Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting. It's... hard to find people that sometimes people get stingy with your art in a way. And it's funny. It's like a pride thing. And I care so much about the people that I work with it being a collaborative experience, you know?

Starting point is 01:09:41 And so everyone in my team, it really is that, whether it be my stylist or my makeup artist or Kaylee over here, who's my photographer and also a creative director or my management, you know. My band, it's kind of, like I don't tell my band to get up there and play this dang thing, lick for lick. I want us to get up there and... have, you know, fun and play music. And obviously there's a way a show should go,

Starting point is 01:10:01 but I don't know. I just think that sometimes people put these weird perimeters around such a creative thing. And something that, like, I think you look like he loved me did for me. It was, like, everyone told me that song was not going to work, you know. Yeah. They're all like, what?

Starting point is 01:10:20 What do you? My label tried to get me to shoot. Yes, after we had cut it or before? Yes, after we had cut it, they were like, we really think you need to go back in and sing these verses. I was like, I'm not singing it. And they're like, you need to sing it.

Starting point is 01:10:33 And I just fought them really hard on it. And they thought, do you need to go back in and sing Riley's verses? Is Riley the one sings on that? Yeah, but no, like the, yeah, the talking part. You know, I was all but 22, I think, at the time. Yeah. Yeah, no, they wanted me to sing that, go back in.

Starting point is 01:10:48 They're like, this is, like, going to be the worst performing song in the record. No-uh. Yeah. And so I think with that one, I mean, it was just different. And you knew it wasn't? I mean, I didn't know what it was going to do, but I believed that...

Starting point is 01:11:00 You believed in what it was, though? I believed that it was different. I believed that it was something that made me smile, and I enjoyed singing it. And, you know, like I said, once I put my mind to something, like if I go in it cut something, it's because I believe in it.

Starting point is 01:11:14 And... It feels like you get to know you some in that song a little bit, too. I mean, it's just there's something about when somebody's talking to, you know, when they're talking as well. I think there's... Yeah. Tells a story in a different way.

Starting point is 01:11:25 Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Dang. Who's out there telling Ella Lingly, no? I don't know. But have there been parts of you've like, like, as things got busier, you're like learning how to be like kind of like a boss, a leader. Not necessarily a boss, but like a leader.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Yeah. And then those are roles that you have to step into. I think if you want to be like exactly how you want to be. Mm-hmm. You know, because otherwise there's like, especially in music and Hollywood type of stuff, it'll make something for you

Starting point is 01:12:01 and serve it out there, you know? But if you want to be on top of it, it takes a lot. It does. I think that's one of the harder parts of this job and kind of what I've watched from watching other artists my whole life, obviously wanting to do this, paid attention in a way. You really do have to get up and fight to do it the way

Starting point is 01:12:19 you want to do it every day. Isn't that crazy? You do. It's exhausting. And people all day, in the more, the more success, the more people care about what you're doing. You know what I mean? In the beginning and the label, you know, when I was first signed it wasn't a competitive deal. You know, I didn't really have that

Starting point is 01:12:35 much going on. And it was more of like a banking on me type of a situation. Right. So now, you know, everyone is paying a little closer attention to what's happening obviously. You know? And everyone has an opinion and it's like that across the board and that's just because

Starting point is 01:12:51 it's working and everyone wants it to stay working and you know you know yourself the best and your artistry and like at the end of the day I'm the one that's going to have to do that interview I'm the one that's going to have to sing that song every night I'm the one that's going to have to go take those pictures I'm the one that's going to have to work with these people you know and I think it's just constantly reminding them of that and not compromising who you are as a human being because well this is how it's usually done I hate that phrase I hate well this is what you would usually do I

Starting point is 01:13:21 I was like, well, I don't give a rat's ass what you usually do. I do not want to do it like that. I really don't, and I'm going to stick my heels in the month. Yeah, I don't even have any heels, and I'm just going to put my feet in there. You do have heels. That's the bottom of your foot. This is. Oh, yeah, you're right.

Starting point is 01:13:36 And I'm going to put them in the mud. Yeah, dude, I've always, I don't want to do it how you want to. That's, dude, that's been the pilot light of my entire existence. Oh, yeah, do it like this. That's the worst thing you could tell me if you don't want me to do it. Dude, I don't want to do it. I never won't, dude, I couldn't even, my eyes wasn't even open and I was like, I ain't doing shit like you want me to. Yeah, keep your eye straight.

Starting point is 01:13:59 Yeah. Yeah. How about that? No, bitch. I'm coming with a remix right out of the gate. Yeah. Damn. That's hilarious.

Starting point is 01:14:12 Oh, congratulations. You guys is your tour with Morgan starts April 18th in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Bryant Denny Stadium. I know. Home State. That's so crazy. It's cool. I think it's the first concert be in there since, like, what, 19-something? Bring it up.

Starting point is 01:14:31 1970-something. I think Alabama was the last thing. Oh, hey. Bring it up. Oh, my God. Kaylee took that over there. Did she? God, take some of me, Kaylee.

Starting point is 01:14:42 I need to live like that. I need to get a damn brooch. A brooch? I don't know. Sorry, I mean a nice necktie. I'm just joking. I'm trying to make your brother laugh. the only joy I'm having is when you guys laugh

Starting point is 01:14:54 that's the gigo well yeah it's just nice when people laugh I feel okay yeah Alabama Stadium show right there at Brian Denny when was the last one that's what we're asking this guy's just looking at pictures of men online

Starting point is 01:15:12 that's the dang football team we just want to know what was the last just ask somebody fucking ask who's that Roll Tide guy? Oh, that's Roll Tide Willie, yeah. He's actually from B.R. Hometown.

Starting point is 01:15:27 Dude, he was in the military with my buddy's dad. He used to be pretty, not normal, but better. Island Home, that's where he's from. What? Yeah. God bless him.

Starting point is 01:15:38 The last concert held at Brian Denny's Stadium was a performance by the band, Alabama in 1992, which followed a series of Bama Blast concerts in the early 1980. The 2008 concert with Alan Jackson, was scheduled but canceled.

Starting point is 01:15:51 Dang. So that's been 30, 33 years. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about that one. That's crazy. And we're direct support this year. We've really worked our way up on this tour. First tour, we were first of four. We did with him.

Starting point is 01:16:08 Last year, we were second of four. This year, we're direct. Congratulations. Just climb your way, you know what I mean? He says, I mean, I've spoken with him about you and just, and he's like, she has it. She has got it. He's been really cool.

Starting point is 01:16:24 He's a unique dude, man. Well, you know, I mean, him and Earn and Hardy and that whole crew has just been super kind to me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that whole group is so much fun. I remember right whenever I moved in town, we had a podcast studio. I was living in Wedgwood, Houston, and I just was renting a house and putting a podcast studio, and the guy was always stopping mine.

Starting point is 01:16:41 He was like, you have a podcast studio in here? I was like, no. And just like a lot. It's like, for some reason, this guy hated podcast or whatever. and one day we got to have Morgan and came and then we had like kind of just snuck out Hardy and Erne and we had a blast over there but that was fun that was like an early episode

Starting point is 01:16:59 that we had here in town yeah those shows are going to be cool that's going to be so great and oh there was something else I was going to ask you about oh and then you're doing stagecoach too yeah me and my buddy are DJ in there really yeah if you DJed before no

Starting point is 01:17:14 but it looks so dang easy Yeah. I'm just joking Diplo, but it looks pretty damn easy. So, yeah, that's it. Yeah, I don't know. I've never tried that. But, yeah, me and my friend Caleb Presley are going to play at Diplos honky-tong. So.

Starting point is 01:17:33 Stuart met him. You did? I did. And the Glenny Ball. Oh, they're great, aren't they? Yeah, I love that. Glennie Balls is a character, man. He is.

Starting point is 01:17:41 Yeah. He loves a nice cheese, too. If you know of a restaurant in the area, he'll tell you about cheeses in any area. Yeah, he will. He almost has like a, like a... You say, yeah, you will. You know that? Like, he already knew that?

Starting point is 01:17:55 Yeah, yeah, he loves him, Jesus. You know, I met him over a Havardi. Listen to Hardy. And, uh, sorry, I'm just dropping a horrible cheese country music lyrics here. That's all right. I thought it wasn't too bad. It's how easy it is. But no, that's, so that's going to be cool.

Starting point is 01:18:15 I'm excited. I'm excited to get to see a play out there. there. Let's talk about and thanks so much for spending time with us today. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. We're happy to have you. We had this girl in yesterday. Have you ever seen that girl? She's like on TikTok. She has like she has stinosis. She has a like a syndrome. Cystinosis. She keeps changing the name of it. But yeah, this is her. Have you seen her? She talks about the spice. A little bit of spice. A little hint to spiciness Like a little hint to soy sauce

Starting point is 01:18:50 A little hint of the tomato A little hint of the spice Tomato and ramen Yeah, it actually has like a hint A little hint of tomato Oh yeah? Yeah What is a hint?

Starting point is 01:19:01 I don't even know It just sounds like a real word That's me all the time Is it? What is even though? I don't know It sounds like a real word Just say it first

Starting point is 01:19:09 It figured out later Yeah You have your new album Dandelion Or Dandelion That's a people, something worth saying it. Yeah. Congratulations.

Starting point is 01:19:22 Did you feel like you had to hurry up and get this out? Or because I think sometimes coming off of like, you know, like you said earlier, like your career starts getting bigger and things start to feel like you don't want to lose the momentum, right? You've worked so hard to build a flame. Did it feel like any pressures? Like what were some pressures that were involved with this or was it just completely smooth?

Starting point is 01:19:42 And is that a ridiculous question? Nothing is ever completely smooth, I don't think, for real. Some, I don't know, well, I don't know, maybe some things. Yeah. Some things. Some things, maybe, yeah. But this record, I mean, I worked on it for like a year and a half. So it still took a while.

Starting point is 01:20:04 But I keep saying the big word for this record is synchronicity. It did just feel like a lot of things. While it was, you know, I'm co-producing for the first time, while I'm full-time touring two different tours while, you know, just trying to balance everything at the same time, get the vocals done, you know, and it taught me a lot, and that's what was so cool about having Miranda

Starting point is 01:20:25 to be a part of it, you know? Because she's just so honest, you know, you've met her and hung out with her. She's just so real. Yeah, she likes barrel racing too. Yeah, she does. But she just, you know, she was just honest about, you know, days where I was like,

Starting point is 01:20:40 she's like, you're burnt, and take a step. back, yeah, but also, like, you know, some things I wanted to go in there, I'm like, can I say that? She's like, hell yeah, you can say that. You can say whatever the hell you want to, you know. So, like, that confidence of someone that has done it and, like, you look up with their career so much, like, you know what, hell, you know what, yes.

Starting point is 01:20:59 Actually, I do want the symbols to be louder right there. I do. And, no, it was really cool. This whole record, I'm so excited about it. I've never been more excited about music in my life. Really? I think I've clicked in my artistry. Let's go, Ella.

Starting point is 01:21:16 Yeah, yeah, I think I really have... That's a pretty badass thing to say. Yeah, I think... Especially if you're somebody you mentioned earlier that you're such a, like, a judge of yourself, you know? That you get off stage, you're like, ah, that, you know... Yeah, that was fine, but that... But there's...

Starting point is 01:21:30 It wasn't as exact as I could possibly have been, you know? Yeah, I just... Man, this is as exact as I want it to be. I just... We had such a vision for it. I had a hundred-something song reference playlist of what I wanted sonically for this record. Now, what do you mean? What does that mean? I literally just went on Spotify and made a playlist of, like, all of these songs of the era

Starting point is 01:21:54 I was listening for, like, guitar tones and drum sounds and BGV, background vocal parts. So you start with that idea before anything? Well, actually, it started with the title Dandelion. We had written that song. It's the oldest song on the record. it was almost going to be put on the last record, but I pulled it at the last minute because I just kind of felt like sonically

Starting point is 01:22:16 it's where I wanted to go, and I knew it was like, the context was like, feels like I'm growing, and I'm not just so hungover and doing debauchery every day of my life, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, maybe just on Tuesdays, you know. But, yeah, so I found out that dandelion tea

Starting point is 01:22:35 is a detox for your liver. Oh, yeah. And when I heard that, it was like a light bulb went off over my head. It's like, oh my God, a record called Dandelion coming after a record called Hung Over. It's like you're just growing up. You're, you know, dandelions are resilient. They're kind of considered a weed. But, I mean, what are kids going and picking out for their moms and bringing them?

Starting point is 01:22:56 You know, it's a bunch of dandelions. And they're actually spread on the wind, which is cool if it weren't for the wind. So that's a little random little nugget in there. But, I mean, so much of that stuff is in this record. God, I love it. Yeah, I mean. Sometimes I play it when I'm in my room or whatever. You feel that?

Starting point is 01:23:13 You feel like a dandy line? I will play it. I'm not saying all that. But I will say I will play it sometimes. You never have felt like a dandelion? I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, I could have to read through my diary, but I don't think so.

Starting point is 01:23:25 Probably not. But that's okay. That's okay. But I just, yeah. I mean, I love your need. You're more of a rose. Okay. I'm more of a damn.

Starting point is 01:23:34 What's a plant that grows on your house even if you don't want it to? Yeah, I'm more of a cut too You are more of a cut too I'm more of a damn cut too Because they can't get rid of me They're like this bastard I thought we put him out years ago And it's like bitch I'm still

Starting point is 01:23:49 You were growing under the porch The whole time And I'll tap on your window I'm only planning Late at night Yeah I'm like a damn fungus Thank you

Starting point is 01:23:57 Sorry Thank you sir I like to I like to vine But we'll go fungus We'll go fungus No But no, I love listening to your music.

Starting point is 01:24:09 It's great. I mean, I'll be standing. I'll be standing. And who might have judged it? It's great, dude. One time I said to Morgan, I was like, man, that song's good. And he looked at me and he goes, that song's great. And I was like, he's right.

Starting point is 01:24:22 And he was right. You just kind of sat there in silence for a minute. I was just trying, I think, be cool a little bit. He's like, no. And he was right. He got kind of sweaty right when he said that. Yeah, I think we're actually working out somewhere. So it was like, you know.

Starting point is 01:24:33 Extra. It was just like, I don't know what was going on. Yeah. But I remember him saying that song's great. I was like, I've respected his confidence about it. But no, I love listening to your music. It's great. But quit saying that, dude.

Starting point is 01:24:46 You sound like a fucking weirdo. I like listening to your music. There's that smile again. But here's what happens is I'll be talking to dudes. And I'll be walking up and singing her. I'm at the dang market. And some guys walking by singing it. You know?

Starting point is 01:25:03 Singing it? Yeah. Dandelion. All of it. be heard. Yeah, just, yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah, my friend Allen the other day, he said, I can't get this out of my head. And I was like, well, dang, go look at some porno or something. You know, or go get a dang, one of them nudie mags or something, Bucco, you know. That usually, yeah. But anyway, I was just saying, because that was, that song is more of like a women-focused song. That's all I. I wrote it with

Starting point is 01:25:29 three guys. Did you? Yeah, Hardy's one. Did he? He does have long hair. He does. and he has nice hair too Um Well tell me like So when it comes down to making the final songs like Or did you You want to play one? You want to pick one out to play?

Starting point is 01:25:47 Yeah play a song Really? Yeah of course I'll give you all the titles All right And then you can just pick One of them Just pick one that's not out yet

Starting point is 01:25:57 All right If you Well how would you know How would you know? I think I will know Okay Where was that? sent to me at. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:26:09 Okay. All right. Let me see that. Just put my number in here. Sorry, I'm just watching this. Sorry. Just got taken over by the devil. The dang devil is. You swiping around. It's always looking at it. It's like you hand it to your dad and you just keep swiping.

Starting point is 01:26:25 You know, and you're like, bro, if you give somebody your phone and they swipe one picture, is there anything scarier? No. You have no idea what that could. You just swallow. It's so hard immediately. It could be casserole. It could be a damn, somebody getting a tummy tuck.

Starting point is 01:26:42 Is this something you meant to take to show your doctor later? Oh, you're like, that's for my doctor. You're like, you were going to show that young lady to your doctor? I don't know. Me and my doctorate. I need to go to a meeting. What about last call for us? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:01 You can play that one. Is it a fun one? It's not as much fun. It isn't? If you want fun, not that one. Oh, that's true, huh? But it's, I mean, I like this song. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:27:21 I'll just listen and enjoy it. Thank you. But it's almost three, and I think we both know that it's last call for us. It's a sad, sad too, that I After these drinks, you'll let go of me, and I'll let you go. Here we go. There we go, boy.

Starting point is 01:28:19 I'm going to pick a chuck tapping in. He's my ultimate hype man. I can edit that in right there. This time alone, we won't come back here. You can fade it out some. I think we could play one more. We can? And then we can just pick which one.

Starting point is 01:28:43 Let's do that. That's good because that might be sad Because what if somebody just put their animal down or something Then that's the song they want to cry to That's just a good point That's why we put it out there Yeah and thank you for that Yeah

Starting point is 01:28:54 And I'll say this I went and saw Dermott Kennedy one time You ever heard of him? Mm-mm Dude and I didn't know people cried together In a big group at the rhyming right And so There was a woman crying on my back

Starting point is 01:29:07 Because she'd lost a pet You just let her I couldn't do What am I going to do? Just let her She said, just push my legs back if they get up against you. And I was like, all right. But it was special.

Starting point is 01:29:23 That's a crazy rhyming show. It was. All right. And I saw you at the rhyme. Remember you asked me to sing that part and I got scared. Why did you get so scared? Because I couldn't remember it all. There were words.

Starting point is 01:29:34 There's a teleprompter out there with the words on it. I didn't know that. Nobody told me that time. I did. Yes, I did. I would have known. A teleprompter, I know about that. I know about words moving at slow speed in front of me.

Starting point is 01:29:46 Yeah, there was one with the words on it and everything. I didn't know any of that. Yeah, they were like, everyone was like, he was upset. And I was like, well, why? I think I was upset. I think I was bummed because I wanted to, because I like the music. And so I wanted to be helpful.

Starting point is 01:30:05 And everybody else was helping out. And then I think I just got too nervous. I didn't want to mess it up. You would not. You could have come out there and said anything. and it would have been good. I don't know. That's the fun part about that song.

Starting point is 01:30:16 I mess up the words all the time. Yeah? All the time. You do seem pretty much like you're just kind of, you're willing to just roll with it no matter what. Hey, this is a special show for y'all. I've never done it like this before. I can't help it.

Starting point is 01:30:27 I'm human. I think, you know, in a world of you don't know what's real or not, like, I just think going up there and not being afraid to be humble a little bit in that way. I don't want to mess up the words. Like, when I did what I want with Morgan, I mess up words almost every single time. I've never been.

Starting point is 01:30:42 so nervous to go out and do something. Really? I just feel like I could throw up for I walked out there every time. I was like, I just cannot, I could not remember those words. Like, here's me, like, there ain't no hot feelings.

Starting point is 01:30:52 If you only want to act like lovers do for days. Like lovers do. And I couldn't stop. I literally just... You really? I just couldn't, I don't know, and I would have it, but then, all right,

Starting point is 01:31:02 P.O.V. You go through this tunnel, you know what I mean? And you're playing in the stadium. It's the most people you've ever been in front of. You're walking out with Morgan Wall and everything gets dark and there's smoke everywhere, and you've got to walk out and I'm in pointy heels

Starting point is 01:31:14 and there's grates out there so you've got to make sure you're not falling down in those you get up and then here you go, you get one shot at it there's no practice too, you know, you get like one rehearsal you go out there and it's like okay but doing it in front of 80,000 people is different than at 2 p.m.

Starting point is 01:31:32 in the middle of the day but what was awesome is the last time we did it is he came out and messed up the words and I when he did that I just started to laugh so hard because he was giving me so much shit about messing up the words. He was just like, you can't come out here and mess this up again. I was like, I might. I really am scared that I might.

Starting point is 01:31:52 And so the last night he did, and it was like, he just immediately could never say another thing to me about messing with the words, you know. I love that. So that was nice of him if he did that on purpose. He's like, that's what he says now. He's like, that's why I did it and make you feel better about all the time. Like, yeah. And he may have, who knows? No, because when he looked back at me, it was pure, like, fronious.

Starting point is 01:32:12 that he, like, could no longer talk shit about me messing up the words. I bet it was even. Yeah. That's hilarious. I was, yes. Thank you. You'll do a great job on that one. Yeah, let's play one more then.

Starting point is 01:32:23 Let's play something me let me think about one more. Let me try and pick one more. Okay, can I just say yes or no if I think it's a good one? Yeah, well, we'll take that part out. Okay. Why? Because if people, if you say no, it's not a good one that might. They are, but maybe not for this setting.

Starting point is 01:32:40 Yes, for this setting. That's what I'm thinking about. Bottom of your boots. Yes. Bang, bro. That was my freaking one that I wanted. My dad gave me that title, actually. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:53 I was like having a freak out one night. It's actually kind of a sweet story. Tell me about it then. Well, I mean, he was just giving me one of his like, baby, you know, you're fine. He's like, but you know, I love you from the bottom of my boots to the top of my hat. Oh. Dad, that's a great title. Anyways.

Starting point is 01:33:09 That's as much of a dad as there is. Yeah. You know? Pep Talks. That's bottom to top. Yep. Bottom of your boots. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:21 Yeah. Heck yeah. I'm thinking it's sober on the table. Yeah, the goddamn shoulder. Yeah. Oh, man. Getting closer to a love song. And back.

Starting point is 01:35:02 Bottom of your life. Boots to the top of your hat I love me I love that Oh, Langeley That's good That's good That's good in there

Starting point is 01:35:15 That's good Enough slices Dude, your brother is a great dancer That's a beautiful song Dude, but he is dancing though I don't know Pretty good buddy Heck yeah

Starting point is 01:35:26 I told you he's my He's my hype man Yeah no I would get him out there And have him do it Do you ever do that? No, but maybe we should. Thank you for you. He's been streaming.

Starting point is 01:35:37 Has he? Yeah. He's a streamer? Yep. Nah. I haven't streamed. Mustache stew. Mustache stew?

Starting point is 01:35:44 Yeah. Yeah, I like that, man. There's not a lot of southern streamers, really, I don't feel like. I know. I feel like, I don't know, I'm getting a lot of exposure, dude. It's been awesome. Moustache stew, you know, I got the brand. I got the stew.

Starting point is 01:35:58 Type. I like it, dude. And is that a real hat from your sister's album? It is. Oh, yeah. I got to get that. We brought you some. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:05 I'm released. Are they? Did you really bring one? Let's go. I can't even wait to freaking put it on whenever I get home. That's a great song. Thanks for letting us play it. And I think, and what a great story to go with it.

Starting point is 01:36:22 It came from your dad saying that to you. Yeah. That's awesome. That's a nice reminder. Should we do one more? I mean, I will definitely be here for that. He picked out a good one. I think we should do broken.

Starting point is 01:36:33 I'll do it All right It's first chorus And is it about Well Never mind I'll just be quiet You're figuring

Starting point is 01:36:44 This town out one day At a time Ain't you Yeah Yeah with their lighter People holding up pictures Of people they've lost Look at America

Starting point is 01:38:36 Literally You'll one shot of you With that lightity That's pretty clutch Let it's awesome Let me be brown Yeah, a lot of singing choruses on this record. I thought a lot about, like, wanting people to sing along to these songs.

Starting point is 01:39:05 Yeah. You thought about that. A lot, you know? I mean, I don't know. I just... No, it's interesting. Sometimes there's so many words in songs. And I'm just like, I cannot remember, but I can remember the melody.

Starting point is 01:39:15 You know, so a lot with these songs, I wanted them to be kind of easy. Remember, big singing choruses, like, you know, you hear that chorus once, and you already knew how to sing it. Yeah. Yeah, because you want to feel a part of it. I mean, I think as a listener, you want to feel a part of it as quick as you can sometimes, especially if you're a fan of somebody you're like, you know, if it fits you, some of them, you know, certain songs fit certain people better than others. Well, maybe you haven't heard at all the songs, and you just know, like, one or two,

Starting point is 01:39:40 and then you come to the show, but you can still catch on to songs throughout the show because... Because I hate just staying in there. I hate just staying there. I have too much ADHD to just stay in there. God, and you have to keep getting snacks because you don't know the song, you're like, well, shit, I'll get another snack or whatever. Get another pretzel, I guess. Yeah, I'll get another friend. Maybe make it cinnamon this time.

Starting point is 01:39:59 Yeah, maybe I'll change things up or something and get a damn diet Gatorade or whatever, which they never came out with, which I have written them about. I had this, like, choosing Texas is probably the biggest song everywhere. Apparently they had like somebody called it, they found an alien or something. He was singing it. I think like there was like a family of aliens they saw somewhere that were, they saw them singing it. Like it's number one on everything.

Starting point is 01:40:23 It's like, you know, it's like the biggest song that's ever happened. Some guy, you see that guy in a coma who he kind of, and he wakes up and mumbles one of the lyrics and then goes back into a coma. Yeah. He's like, and just zoos. Getting them right back. Right off.

Starting point is 01:40:39 No, I haven't seen that one. There's so many memes to it, though. Have you seen a lot of those? Yeah. Can we bring some up? Yeah. What do you think about all these? I think that it's whatever people want to do with the song.

Starting point is 01:40:51 You know, once I put it out there, it's like, who knows what can happen? And I, like I said, this is what's going to keep songs alive. You know, it's... Yeah, this is... It does sound too... It does sound real close to that. Drinking jack off by myself? Yep.

Starting point is 01:41:09 Yeah. I think it does. It does. And that, like, I'll get songs stuck in my head and parts to it. And I just have that right there stuck in my head, like, on repeat over and over again now. Just drinking jack up by myself? It goes like, drinking jack on myself. And have you ever actually sung I like that on stage or no?

Starting point is 01:41:25 I feared that a lot. I really do. because I have the thing about me where it's like I have one specific thing I should not say and then I'm accidentally going to probably say it like I don't know why God yeah Yeah so damn Satan's tickling you from the inside

Starting point is 01:41:39 Yeah Here's one right here Yeah There's Jews in Texas Yeah I don't know I see a new one all the time Drinking jack up by myself There's Jews in Texas

Starting point is 01:42:00 I can tell And it's just a, see me, a mixed guy at least, possibly a black man, fishing in a suburban man-made pond. There's no way that they're fishing that pond right now. You don't think? No way. I don't know. I bet there's some damn missing women in that bitch.

Starting point is 01:42:17 Pull up one more. This, my dad loves that one. It says, some people can't see it because they're listening. Well, I'm eastbound and down it. I can't help but cry because I fall. It says on the screen. So that's what they're saying she said. That's hilarious.

Starting point is 01:42:47 Yeah, the only ones I've seen is the Jews and taxes and then drinking jack off by myself. It does. It's like that. You can be my green bean. You remember that thing? You can be my queen be. Lord.

Starting point is 01:42:59 Remember that song? Oh. And everyone was like, you can be my green. Yeah. I used to do that. I could be my queen. Life's a banked of bus. Can I'm going to.

Starting point is 01:43:11 You don't want them something with us. You say it. You could be my green bean. Oh, yeah. You could be my queen bee. But everyone's all you said green bean. Oh, you could be my green bean.

Starting point is 01:43:23 Okay, I got to stop, dude, for some real man shows up and chokes me out. Can we? Okay, moving on. Ella Langley, and then your own tour, you have your own tour. Yep. Is kicking off after, or it's in between the one with direct support for Morgan. Kind of back and forth some.

Starting point is 01:43:44 We start in May. May what? May 7th. Where are we start? Yep. Toledo, Ohio. I guess when Vietnam was. Was that where Vietnam was?

Starting point is 01:43:54 I know it wasn't... Sorry. I know Vietnam was on a Tolio. I think Vietnam started May 7th. Oh, that's the day. It doesn't matter either way. At this point. Let's pretend that's not part of this.

Starting point is 01:44:09 Well, you got double Marlowe's on it. You got Dylan Marlowe and Cameron Marl. Not related. Two totally different singers, both great. Caitlin Butts is on there. I'm trying to think if I've heard her before. Can you bring up Caitlin Butts? You ain't got to die to be dead of me.

Starting point is 01:44:25 She has an incredible cover of, I went down to Tulsa. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's incredible. Her voice is incredible. Her songs are fun. She's also really funny. She's funny?

Starting point is 01:44:50 Yes. Well, it's the best. That's good. Yeah. I love funny girls. Being on tour, there's nothing better than funny girl. A lot of funny girls I notice, and this is something I notice, is that a lot of them are from Philadelphia area. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:04 I made you notice that. I just noticed it. And I believed it. Well, that's all you got to do. When I noticed it, I believed it. And then that's what it is. Yeah. Sometimes you meet some funny girls from outside.

Starting point is 01:45:16 or from Philadelphia area. But anyway, also, Caitlin Butts. And I look forward to getting to meet her sometime. She's really good. And then Gabriella Rose is first of three for almost the whole thing. She's incredible. Dipla was telling me something about her, I think. She's so good.

Starting point is 01:45:33 I believe in her a lot. She's young, and she's still, like, you know, finding herself in her artistry and, you know, doing the whole damn thing. But she's so good. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. The way she writes, it's like you can, until she means what she says.

Starting point is 01:45:48 And then Lacey K. Booth is another one. My God. They are just some good women out there. Yep. And we are glad they're doing it. Well, yeah. We are glad. We are glad.

Starting point is 01:46:04 Sorry, I don't know. Is this the weirdest interview? Is it okay, guys? It's awesome. Those guys are perverts, both of them. Ella, thanks so much for hanging out with us. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:46:17 Congratulations on all of your success on everything that's going on. And just learning to like figure it out because I think that's one thing that everybody's trying to do. I think sometimes people think that like people like it are in some sort of limelight or going through some sort of like popularity or exposure or fame that they... There's like a conductor behind stage that's like telling you what to do every second in the day. Yeah. No. Sadly that ours is in there.

Starting point is 01:46:43 Can you imagine what our conductors look like to in there? It's a mess. If they pulled out whoever lives in my head from behind a building from behind a building and they're like look what we found back there

Starting point is 01:46:55 I would like fucking hang him from the nearest road bro. Did you ever watch the inside out movie? And he wouldn't have pants on I bet. Probably. You're like, wait, you're telling me the guy in my head. Has never had pants on.

Starting point is 01:47:08 He has never had pants. Like the officer's like, he doesn't own pants. We're like, well, what? We can't afford pants. Yeah. Oh, God. Have I ever watched the Inside Out movie? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:19 Uh-uh. It was like the characters that live in your brain, the cartoons. Oh. You would love this movie. I actually think that you would. It's incredible. I never seen this. You should.

Starting point is 01:47:28 You should see it with your eyes. It's very good. Okay. It's like about all these characters, like, they all are like, it's like sad, mad. There's like one main girl, and then there's like a, I don't know what the other one is. Joy. Yeah, there's some anger discussed. Oh, I see it.

Starting point is 01:47:44 I see all of them. They're all labeled up there. Oh, wow. Anyway, this is also made me think about that. I appreciate that. Welcome, just something for later on the plane, whenever you're on the plane. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:56 After I get done listening to Dandelion, then. Yeah. I'll put on Inside Out. I'm sure that people sitting next to me, like, this guy's going through a lot. If someone came up on you watching that, they'd be like, yeah, for sure. Probably.

Starting point is 01:48:09 It's kind of crazy that that's where we're at now. If an adult came up on another adult watching a fucking cartoon, they'd be like, yeah, man, you do. Everything is fine. fine. He must be having a hard day. It's a crazy world. So you're going to be on tour for a bit then.

Starting point is 01:48:21 You won't get to go back home for a while, or do you have a set date we're going to go back home? Will you be home for Easter? We'd be on for. Yeah. I'm going to go home for Easter. And then... Will you go back to the church that you grew up in? No.

Starting point is 01:48:32 No. Just I kind of, well, we moved to a different place. My parents just sold that house, actually. They closed out like a week or two ago. Oh, nice. Yeah. But, yeah, I just bought a house back there on a lake. and don't want to say where

Starting point is 01:48:46 because people already come up on their boats and stuff playing my music. It's kind of funny. People are perverts. People are seafaring perverts. But it's not. It's a small town, you know what I mean? They're like... Yeah. They're cool. There's like the closest. It's just like a piggly-wiggly and a DG there, you know? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:02 I mean, people used to pull up by our apartments and steal all the ditch onions that were out there. I never. What? You haven't? Mm-mm. I have never. Oh, they got ditch onions out there. And congratulations on choosing Texas. as a number one, it's a number one for... It's so many, I don't even...

Starting point is 01:49:22 It's too many slices, too many things. For everything. It's actually crazy. it's the number one for everything. I think it just came out on the moon. It's the first number one on the moon, I think. Yeah, I don't really know. That would be nuts. Um, no, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's just so weird to, to, to believe that that's like a song... That's my song. Yeah. What? What? I know it's hard to feel attached to things that you do. sometimes. Yeah. I think.

Starting point is 01:49:47 Yep. I think that makes good sense. Well, maybe that's one of the things that makes you you, but whatever the things are that make you you, they're enjoyable to witness. So thank you for spending time with us. Thank you for your music. There's so many people I know that love it, and then it brings joy to their life. And I'm glad I got to meet mustache stew.

Starting point is 01:50:08 And, yeah, when I need some photos and my conditioner sets, I'm going to call you and Dan get something swell going on. Something swell. Yeah, something swell. Ella Langely, thank you. Thank you for having me on here. Yes, ma'am. Rosen lasagna, medium power, 15 minutes.

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This Past Weekend - #651 - Ella Langley

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