This Past Weekend - #665 - Jeff Bridges

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Starting point is 00:01:26 Tron, many more. He's got a new movie, Meebosk. Indians and Monsters. It's in theaters July 1st. I had quite a time with today's guest, Mr. Jeff Bridges. I get my right specs. You might be too far away for these. No, what you got plus two? You got two point fives? What are you rocking? No, ones. These are a prescription, man. These are my reading glasses, but I have, let me see. Let me try those bad cats on it. Well, let me say, here you go for this. That's a reading. Just give me one pair. You don't wear, you don't get them both.

Starting point is 00:02:14 No, I think I'd go for the other one, man. Oh, let me see how I'm looking. Oh. Huh? Nope. Not a little off, right? Yeah, not bad, but. Yeah, this is better.

Starting point is 00:02:26 Okay. Nothing. I don't want to pick a wife out with those on, you know? Uh-huh. Are you getting close? I mean, I'd like to be married. Yeah? Yeah, I'd like to be.

Starting point is 00:02:36 But sometimes it's out of your control, you know? Anything close? Oh, not that at the moment. Maybe you've been close? I think I've been close, man. and I just wasn't like, just like my heart wasn't in the right spot. My brain wasn't.

Starting point is 00:02:52 I was touring a lot and I wasn't ready to like, I had two wheels out of town, you know? She kicked you to the curb where you kicked her or a little boat. Yeah, they've all kicked me. They've all, at a certain point, kicked me. But I deserve to be kicked. Yeah. I know that you mean.

Starting point is 00:03:07 It's tough. I resisted it as long as I possibly could. You did? Yeah. Well, you've been married. You've had a, we just had our 40, ninth anniversary. Let's go.

Starting point is 00:03:18 Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Really a good one. I scored, man. Yeah, how'd you score that? Oh, I was making a movie called Rancho Deluxe in Montana. And we're shooting in this place called Chico Hot Springs. But they used to do brain surgery there a hundred years ago.

Starting point is 00:03:38 It's like a hot spring place. For sure, warm water. That's where I want to be cut open. Exactly, man. Yeah. And I'm sitting there in this hot tub. with Harry Dean Stanton on one side and Sam Watersden on the other. And we're doing a scene.

Starting point is 00:03:53 And I look across and I see this gorgeous girl with two black eyes and a broken nose. Oh. And that juxtaposition of that disfigurement and the beauty, you know. You know, part of the trouble with these interviews like this, because I've done a bunch now is I end up telling the same story. I don't want to tell the story. Okay. But it's one of my favorite stories, so I don't mind.

Starting point is 00:04:18 But it feels a little funny because I've told it so often. You know, so I think, I imagine people say, don't tell that fucking story. I've never heard it, man. So you know, I've never talked about love. And so you're sitting in a tub, first of all, with two men. Oh, oh, and I'm going to show you something. I think I got it. I usually don't have the thing that goes along with it, but I think I got it in my satchel here.

Starting point is 00:04:39 So I'm sitting in there with two guys, Herodine Stan, Stan Waters. See this gorgeous girl with the ball. broken nose and two black guys, I finally get up my nerve to ask her out. Now, you know, asking somebody out, you know, it's tough, isn't it, man? Oh, it's hard to get your nerve because your nerve, sometimes it feels like it starts at your feet and you got to get it all the way up your body. And I'm young now. I'm in my 20s, man. So you're Vero. Yeah, I'm virile, but I'm not, I'm unpracticed, you know. Yeah, unrehearsed. Unrehearsed. And I go up there and I say, would you like to go out with me, maybe have dinner or something? No.

Starting point is 00:05:15 I say, really? She says, yeah, it's a small town. Maybe I'll see you around, you know. And her prophecy proved true. And at the rap party of this movie, she showed up, and we danced, and that was the done deal. Now we cut 30 years later. We're married, have three kids, and I'm going through my mail on my desk, And I get this letter from the makeup man on the show where I met this, my now wife.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Wow. And he says, I was going through my files. And I found something that might interest you. It's you talking to a local girl. So I have a photograph that I'm going to show you right now. I think I have it. Let's see it, huh? This is a shot of the first words ever spoken between my wife

Starting point is 00:06:14 it myself. Oh, this a dang hieroglyph of love. Isn't this a wild thing, man? Yeah, of course it is. You, thank you, bro. That's cool. So this is a wild, and this is my prize possession. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, my... Get that thing out. This is a two shot.

Starting point is 00:06:31 Here is the moment, and you can see, look at the look of my face. I'm totally co-cocked here, man. Look, would you like to go out with me? No. Click, the picture's taken. There it is, man. Oh, you are.

Starting point is 00:06:44 Oh, you can tell, can you? Even from a side angle, you can see. Oh, you see, I'm done that. It's over, you know. Full smit. Oh, beautiful. And so, but I resist it because, you know, we don't want to lose our autonomy, man. We'd like to, you know, and there's so many beautiful girls all over the place.

Starting point is 00:07:03 But do you think, even while you're saying that, so do you think, thank you for showing me that. And congratulations, too, man. Yeah, I'm just having love for that long, you know. I think people sometimes don't think that when they get into a relationship, what they do get out of it if they work it well as they get love well you know people forget about that part of it i mean they may they may also get other stuff too but um but do you think like that that's one of the things that keeps you keeps a guy from asking a woman out sometimes is the fear of losing their autonomy without even thinking about that that's what yeah so because you usually think it's just

Starting point is 00:07:34 general fear right because i never thought about it like that like we were saying like because i think about oh i'm like i'm like if i'm going to ask you a lot i feel like okay i'm nervous right but i've never thought that the nerves are really just like a deep internal feel, like it's your autonomy showing up and be like, no, we're going to lose it. You think that could be true? Oh, absolutely. That's what it was with me. You know, I'm in my, you know, prime...

Starting point is 00:07:57 Oh, you were prime rigging. You know, I mean, I was, you know, my career was on the rise, all these beautiful women that were around. And I felt it was like, literally like the cartoon where the eyes go out. You know, I was boom and love at first sight. And it was frightening to feel like that. Yeah. And so I was torn.

Starting point is 00:08:21 And while I'm, you know, the high that we're looking for, I find, or the one I'm looking for is intimacy, right? And that's what marriage, that's the playing field of intimacy. You know, you can, you're committed for the whole shot. And you say, and I'm just lucky that I found somebody. who's, I'm so attracted to and the intimacy seems to grow. But your question triggered, you know, we lived together for about three years and it was on again and off again.

Starting point is 00:09:02 And she says to me, hey, I know you love me. And that you have a boolia. Now, a boolia is a disease, mental disorder that my mother used to tell me, which I have a hard time making decisions. Oh, yes. You were slightly joking with me, both my mom and my wife. I know you have a boolia, but I'm going to go back up to Montana where you found me because my biological clock's going off.

Starting point is 00:09:36 Wow. You know. And I finally worked up, I guess it was courage. I don't know what it was. I know I prayed and I got to. down on my knee that said, okay, marry me, you know. And I had this image of a handful of sand. There was one little diamond in there, and that was Sue, you know, I can't let that diamond go. And I gave myself a caveat. I said, you can always get a divorce, man.

Starting point is 00:10:06 That sure. You know what I mean? So that was my caveat. Now we cut about a week later because Sue says, when do we want to get married? I said, oh, how about this weekend? Because I don't know how long I can hold this thing, you know. That's a good point. A lot of people put the wedding way too far out. Oh, man, that took in torture. So we invite a bunch of our friends over to our little house up in Malibu up in the hills there and to get married.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Now we cut to Maui, the seven sacred pools. We have our honeymoon there. And I'm looking at this gorgeous scenery, but all I can do is smell the rotting mangoes, man. I'm a pouting. Yeah. And she goes, what's wrong? I go, nothing, nothing. She goes, oh, let's an all this.

Starting point is 00:10:56 I say, no, no, no. No, it's just bad fruit. Yeah. Oh, and she put up with that shit for years. Really just that bad, just recognizing the rotten mangoes, huh? I feel that, bro. Oh, oh. And thank God she didn't kick me to the curate.

Starting point is 00:11:11 that I finally got with the program. I said, nobody fooled me. What made you get with the program? Well, you know, I mentioned intimacy. You know, you get so intimate, you go through so many bad times and good times, and every time you go through a tough time, you either, you know, give it up,

Starting point is 00:11:31 or your love and intimacy connection have to grow to hold that weird thing that was threatening it. One thing you said, it was like, you're like, I had like a handful of sand and there was like one diamond in it. It's crazy how many times in our lives I mean, and really I'm just speaking for myself I think. And I don't want to speak from like a negative

Starting point is 00:11:51 or like downer place, but there's been times in my life where I've had a handful of sand and like one diamond that was like a special person and I chose the sand. But sometimes I think it was fear or it was like. Well, as we're talking about the metaphor, it's not so much choosing the sand for me but it was I'm going to choose

Starting point is 00:12:10 this handful of sand, sand being all the bullshit. Yeah. Because there's a diamond in there. You know what I mean? So I said, okay, I'm going to take, you know, it was a, I'm so, I'm so, it was an unconscious decision on that side, although I felt it was so strongly that I gave myself that caveat, which is a weird thing to go into a marriage saying you can always get a divorce, man. But it's, that's a, that's a bad call.

Starting point is 00:12:37 God, I guess not, man. But it works. It's unique. It worked. It worked. Obviously, if it lasted this long, was there one of them, like,

Starting point is 00:12:45 was there like a more pressing moment that came in? Like, yeah, what's, because one of my friends, I was talking with Jared Leto, he and our buddies, we met it at the UFC fights. And I was just randomly messaged him.

Starting point is 00:12:55 And I said, hey, I'm going to be talking with Jeff Bridges. And he said a lot of nice things. And, uh, and then he said, yeah, how has he had so much luck in love? Like, how, how does he think his marriage has lasted so long? It's like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:13:06 are there, like, yeah, like, what was one of the tougher moment? like that you had to evolve because it sounds like you're saying you get to these moments and you either choose to kind of evolve and it adjusts like the volume of your like intimacy. Yeah. Or you choose not to. Well. And a lot of us choose not to at times, you know, because it feels safer.

Starting point is 00:13:26 Yeah. Well, there's something that I call, what do I call it? Our primal battle, our primal war that we have. and it's basically you don't get it you don't get what it's like having a relationship with somebody like you you don't get it you don't understand me at all

Starting point is 00:13:54 and there's such truth in that because none of us really know the other person really you know and what we'll do we've started doing this in the air it's happened now as the years going less and less

Starting point is 00:14:11 I kind of almost miss it. It just happened recently. I said, oh, good, we get to do it again. We'll sit a little closer than we are here and facing each other. And we'll take turns, you know, whoever wants to go first can go first. And the person just says all their feelings. And the other person just listens. They don't think of their rebuttal.

Starting point is 00:14:33 They just, their task is to just receive what that person, again, it's intimacy, man. Try to get that, get that. get that. All the feelings about them, about everything? About everything. Got it. And we try not to use, you know, you, you, you message. We try to say, this is how I feel.

Starting point is 00:14:50 This is what I feel. Yeah. And then the other person does their side, and the other person listens. And we go back and forth. That often really scratches the itch in a beautiful way. Sometimes it doesn't. But it's really a cool strategy to deal with the basic,

Starting point is 00:15:10 thing that you don't understand what I am, what I'm going through. And marriage is a great, like a playing field or a, you know, a game board to really explore all of those emotions that are so real for all of us, you know, because we're all separate people. Right. But we're similar in that we're human beings. Yeah, and that's the closest we get. I mean, that's one of the closest relationships that you have. I think to be able to do that with any relationship is pretty cool. But to really look at, to look at love as like a playing field, to look at like a relationship with someone else as like a playing field and let's try this out. Like let's try out some things to see like just how brave can we get with like our vulnerability or with learning about ourselves.

Starting point is 00:15:56 That's pretty cool. That's right. That's right. And they used to have these things in tribes, like in certain tribes, I don't know which there's one I'm thinking of specifically, but they would have these kind of dance off things like partners would and they would try to like like they would dance in front of each other like kind of process their energies toward each other. It's kind of fascinating. So I kind of related to something like that. Well also, you know, I was saying it's like a playing field or a place to practice relationship, you know, and I find it overflows into my work and making a movie or just being here with you, you know. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:16:37 You used the same thing. Now, I would think what you do, and I'm not as familiar as I might have been with what you're up to, but I Googled you, you know, before I showed up today, I said, God, look at it with this. Guys really into some great interviews. I saw your interview with Mike Tyson. Oh, yeah. It was wild, dude. Dude, he was out of his mind, but he was also the most in his mind.

Starting point is 00:17:03 Exactly. Exactly. He did, and Louis C.K. Oh, he's one of my heroes. So you had some great, and you get intimate on these things. And that, I bet when you finally find a girl or a guy, whoever which way you're laying in, to connect with in that deep way. I hope it's a woman. You know.

Starting point is 00:17:23 I'll say this. If it's a guy, I'm going to be shocked, bro. If they're like, yeah, if it's an arranged marriage and it's a guy, dude, I'm going to be, I'm going to email my mom. But, yeah, dude, you know, I like talking about stuff like that and it's important. And some of these people, like, Louie's one of my dearest friends in the world. Oh, wow, man. He's one of the deepest people I've ever met in my whole life. Oh, I thought so, yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:45 I got to be at a, I went to a party recently and him and Bob Odenkirk were there. Have you ever gotten to meet Bob Odenkirk? Oh, no, but I admire him, yeah. He's it. And he was just like, and they were talking, dude, and I just got to sit there and listen to them. Oh, wonderful. It was like, yeah, that was something pretty special. But yeah, it is interesting, like, because this is the playing field that we get.

Starting point is 00:18:06 You know, sometimes we forget that this is like, whatever it is, like, whatever, like, God has intended or the world or the energies of whatever, like, that put us here to we have this, like, a fish coming to, like, the edge of the glass and being able to, like, see, just get like a peek out into the universe. This is it. This is it. Yeah, man. So all the things that we want to do, we have to try them while we're here, even if it's scary, even if it's hard, you know. Oh, yeah. And don't you find, I don't know about you? But I'm addicted to comfort, man. I like to be comfortable.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Yeah. And the problem with comfort, and maybe it's not even a problem. It's kind of both the problem and the solution. When you're comfortable, you're not growing. You're just relax and being comfortable. It's a coffin, man. It's a kind of like, yeah, it's a coffin. It's cozy.

Starting point is 00:18:54 And all these little challenges of life. And I resist these, like marriage, man. I resist this shit. Yeah. Because I don't like to be challenged. I don't want to be uncomfortable. Yeah. But I notice every once in a while I'll do these experiments on myself.

Starting point is 00:19:11 And I say, okay, you feel this way. Now, why don't you just go against that and do something adventurous and challenging, you know, and see what happens? Just to fuck around, you know. So I'll do that. And on the other side of that, 99% of the time I say, wow, I got off, man. That was cool. Yeah. I'm, I'm, something other than I thought I was.

Starting point is 00:19:34 I didn't think I could do that. I know. Isn't that wild thing? Yeah, we forget that like, this is a school, I think. We forget that this is a school, you know, and you kind of just get used to the recess of it. Yeah. That's something, I remember I never went to college, but I thought, gee, I think I'll put my, I'll be the dean of my own college.

Starting point is 00:19:53 I'm going to put my, you know, and I didn't do it to the degree that I want to do, you know. but to give myself assignments, you know, you play guitar? No, I don't. You don't, but I, you know, I play guitar. I say, I should take, you know, I'm always jealous of my friends who did that woodshedding, you know, and learned all that stuff, you know.

Starting point is 00:20:13 I said, you know, I notice I don't do it, but I could, I could put myself through, you know, a college course of guitar. It's all online. There's so much stuff online. It seems like you've done a good job with kind of like nurturing your creativity over time, you know?

Starting point is 00:20:26 It seems like you stay active with, like, I saw like a lot of the, and it's one thing that Louis C.K. does, too, is he's a great sculptor. People don't know that. And I don't even know if he cares if I share that or not, but like, you'll go to his, to his apartment and he has, like, all these crazy sculptures that he's made. And it just, it just like, he reminds me of, like, just creativity. It's not stuck in one spot. It's not you're just this or that you can use it in different ways. And you can also try to see if it sticks in different ways. It's like throwing like a spaghetti, like, you know, of yourself against the wall of like the world or the universe or something.

Starting point is 00:21:00 But you seem to have done that a decent amount with like music, acting. And with also, I've seen some of your, can you even bring them up, Nick, some of the sculptures that you have? Yeah, dude. Oh, oh, yeah, my heads. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:14 I make, you know, I'll do a pot or something and then I always have a little piece of clay left over and I just let my hands go and say, you know, and they come up with these heads, man. I don't know, the aspects of myself or what the hell they are. But that guy, definitely. I'm going to say it was Italian at one point. But yeah, a beautiful group there.

Starting point is 00:21:41 And do you vend these or do you give these away for charity or something? Or do you prize them? Because I guess they're like, they're kind of pieces of you in a way. Well, they were for, it's sort of a semi-abandoned project. I say semi-because, because I still may kick this project. It's kind of dear to my heart. It was a project called Head for Peace. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:04 Look, already, I support it, pro. Who don't want Head for Peace? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I'm saying, dude. Bro, I will be the lieutenant governor of the project or whatever. Yeah, yeah, good. I'll be on the front lines of Head for Peace.

Starting point is 00:22:20 I got very tight with a cat named Bernie Glassman. You know that guy at all. Is that name ring a bell? No. So he's a Zen master. He was. He's no longer with us. And I was at a party.

Starting point is 00:22:36 You know who Ram Dass is? Yes. So I give me, it was Ram Dass's birthday. Oh, dang. What do you even get him? And so I go, well, I told, this is what I get him? I say, Ram, can I call you Rom? I always wanted to give you a little head, man.

Starting point is 00:22:51 I did. My head. And he looked at me out of straight. And then the guy said, my left was this like little Jewish guy, you know. And he goes, hi, I'm Bernie Glassman. I go, oh, yeah. And he says,

Starting point is 00:23:05 I really dug Lobowski, man. And I say, oh, yeah. And I said, oh, yeah. And he says, yeah. He says, I'm a Zen master. I don't know if he actually said Zen master, but he may be saying, I'm really into Buddhism or something. But he turns out this guy was a heavy Zen master. And he says, Lobowski, it's filled with Zen Coen.

Starting point is 00:23:27 You know what a koan is? Uh-uh. Like, you know, what is the sound of one hand clapping? That's kind of a thing. Okay. So it's like a question that you don't have a certain answer. You just have to kind of give you a vibe or trigger something to you, you know. Let's see that real quick.

Starting point is 00:23:44 Oh, yeah, you can, yeah, there you go. Yeah. A Zen koan is a short paradoxical story or dialogue used in Zen Buddhist practice rather than riddles to be logically solved. They are meant to exhaust the rational mind, allowing the practitioner. to break free from the habitual binary thinking and experience reality directly. Some examples are the sound on one hand clapping. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:05 So anyway, that's a perfect great definition. Got it. So Bernie says, yeah, I really dug Lobowski. He says, it's filled with modern-day coons, and I'm all about bringing Buddhism up to speed with modern-day times. I said, what do you mean? It's filled with modern-day co-ons.

Starting point is 00:24:22 He says, well, look who wrote and directed it. The Co-on brothers. And I say, I love it. And I say, what's another example? Well, he says. Yeah, because that one's mid. That one's pretty mid. Yeah, he says, the dude abides.

Starting point is 00:24:34 That's very buddistic right there. I say, give me another one. He says, well, my favorite one is, that's just like your opinion, man. And that is it. That's my favorite one. At least he came with three if he'd only had one. Oh, no. And he goes on.

Starting point is 00:24:51 I said, give me another. Shut the fuck up, Donnie. That's another one. You know, they're just, and he was filled with these things. things. And I said, those are pretty good. He says, yeah, let's write a book, man. I say, what do you mean? He says, yeah, we'll write a book about this. You into it? And I thought about it, and I got such a hit from this guy. You know how you get a hit kind of immediately with people, you know, boom. Yeah, some people are fascinating. It's like meeting a cool pet in the street.

Starting point is 00:25:16 You just boom. Yeah, you keep petting it or whatever. Yeah. And so we got in cahoots. We went up to Montana for a week or two and wrote this book called The Dude and the Zen Master. Oh, you got it up. There's burn. Let's go. Yeah, man. And what happened to him? Huh?

Starting point is 00:25:35 What happened? He passed away? He died. Yeah. He died. Yeah, he could have faked it and he could be in Barbados. But this guy, I would advise your viewers to check him out. You can Google a hell out of him.

Starting point is 00:25:49 He's got so many wonderful books. Bernie Glassman? Bernie Glassman. The Infinite Circle. instructions to the cook. He was so great. Oh, anyway, getting back to the heads. So I had this weird idea

Starting point is 00:26:06 because I got very involved with his organization called the Zen Peacemakers. And were you spending a lot of time with them? Like, were you guys have a weekly or daily practice? You know, I didn't really... Like, were you becoming a Buddhist? Like, that's what I'm...

Starting point is 00:26:20 You know, in my spirituality, you know, we could talk about that. You know, that's a whole kind of a... I'm interested in all kinds of spiritual stuff since I was a kid raised, you know, I guess Christian, from Christian point of view. But Bernie and I, I don't know, my, was he, the word guru kind of sticks in my craw. I just thought him as a dear, wise friend, man, that really I got so much out of. And anyway, he had this organization call, and it's still going on, called Zen Peacemakers.

Starting point is 00:27:00 And my idea with these heads, I was going to make 108 heads, that number is significant in Buddhism and a lot of religions. And I would rent these heads for $10,000 a year. That's hot. I've rented a little head before, but lower price. I would put them in a little box and stuff. And basically it was like swag for people who wanted to support the Zen peacemakers. You know what I mean? Now, along with the head, the person would get a certificate.

Starting point is 00:27:33 You know, you'd get the thing about, hey, let me give you a little head. You get to say that joke to your friends. Yeah. You could pass the head on to other people. There would also be a website that would talk about the genealogy of the head. Who had the head last, you know, I just went, my fantasy, I just went way up out there. It's like Cabbage Patch dolls, kind of all that. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:27:55 And I don't know, but it's still in the works. I still have a, but then I got hit with this flood up here and all the heads got lost. And so I have to make more heads. So you're saying there's some missing head around here. There's some missing head. I agree, brother. Yeah, I need some head, man. I love, dude.

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Starting point is 00:31:02 But, you know. So that's something that could happen and that's part of that whole thing. Yeah, well, it's hobbies. You know, I remember I'd be working on a movie. I'd be in my hotel room preparing. And I'd say, oh, wow, that reminds you of an interesting song. And I pick up my song and start writing a song. and get mad at myself because now you're supposed to be studying, you know.

Starting point is 00:31:24 But like you said, talking about, you know, you're a creative person. It doesn't all just focus in one line. I find when I'm in the creative mode, they shake up that juice and all kinds of creative things, drawing. You know, I was doing a movie with Peter Weir, a wonderful movie. he invited me to do called Fearless I played an architect

Starting point is 00:31:54 going through a plane crash and I said I think I'm going to go out and buy a bunch of art supplies as this character and paint as this character I ended up you know papering my hotel room

Starting point is 00:32:07 and just going at it the next morning I had breakfast with Peter I said look what happened last night he goes oh well that's going to be in the movie man you know do a song oh that's in the movie you know we'll put that in the movie so just create just being just

Starting point is 00:32:22 creating yeah remember uh robert deval wonderful actor i got to work with uh in movie called crazy heart he played my best friend in that yeah he played the bartender and he played a bartender that's one of my favorite movies he was so wonderful to work with and he said you know when i meet with young actors and when they asked me you got any advice he said three things i'll tell you Hobbies, hobbies, hobbies. Develop hobbies. Yeah, I feel like it. You know, it all goes into the work, you know.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, sometimes I feel like, yeah, I got so busy working that I don't even have any parts of myself anymore. Does it make any sense or something? What are your hobbies? Do you have a hobby? I don't really have any. You don't have one hobby, man? Think about it. I mean, I like to go to the UFC fights.

Starting point is 00:33:12 Yeah, well, that's a hobby. Do you, a martial artist at all? No, I used to take some classes, but I haven't. taking them recently. I think I was just touring a lot and recently things just stopped like about a month and a half ago. And so it's kind of the first time where I feel like I'm just kind of looking around and being like, okay, well, who am I? Like, who am I? Like, I've always just been kind of my work. I haven't always just been my work. But I realize that somewhere along the way, like I let that just be me who I was. Does that make me sense to you? I mean, from my point

Starting point is 00:33:40 of view looking at you, this is kind of your hobby. Kind of what you do here, you've combined your work in your hobby so closely it seems like that you'd just like to engage and yeah that's true well I think my hobbies became jobs like doing stand-up comedy I guess was kind of a hobby at first and then podcasting I guess was sort of a hobby yeah so they then they mature and they become not hobbies anymore but real real things but I would like to do gardening I would like to go on more walks I think I want to go do some camping this year I want to um what else I'd like to be a in love or whatever. Do you serve?

Starting point is 00:34:16 You know, I don't serve, but I wouldn't mind maybe going to Costa Rica. I think it's pretty easy to learn down there. That would be cool. So maybe I'll do that. What about ceramics? You ever mess around with clay? No, I haven't really done it. You might dig that, man.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah, man, I might. It's cool. Or the guitar, it's a great, never too late, man. It's just so easy because it's just pictures of where you put your fingers, those dots and you just do that. Oh, dude, I'll tell you this. I did love playing the guitar for a little while. Then you do do it.

Starting point is 00:34:46 Yeah. So I need to get back to it. You're right, dude. Maybe if I pick something like that out. Yeah. And you've got it already. It's kind of like a bike. I mean, can you play a D, a G.

Starting point is 00:34:55 And, you know, you can play three chords. I can play Bobby McGee, dude. Oh, man. Well, then you're there. Nothing left to lose. I can get us there, you know. Me and Bobby McGee, isn't that the song? La da da da.

Starting point is 00:35:08 Chris, man. Dude. Chris Depperson. Bro, I'll tell you a story. So I used to live with my buddy's dad when I was in school. because I had a little bit of ED when I was younger, right, because of mental, whatever, mental health or whatever. And so my buddy's dad got wiener pills, right, when they first came out, right?

Starting point is 00:35:23 Because people didn't know they were coming out, remember? Everybody's just standing around, their wieners weren't working. And then bam, they came out. Yeah, yeah. And so I went and live with my buddy's dad, dude, right? Because I could pot, I could, like, kind of cop some of his script, okay? Because he could get them, dude. But anyway, while I was there, I was learning the guitar,

Starting point is 00:35:42 and he used to have this girl over and they would like lay in bed together like post-coitus or whatever after, you know, in the evening and they'd invite me in there and I'd play tears in heaven for him. I'd learn to play that. Oh, see, you do do it, man.

Starting point is 00:35:57 You know, that is, that's one of the challenges is that we'd let some of these hobbies atrophy, man. When you just, you know what I mean? I mean, that's, I'm talking to myself now. I mean, like guitar, music is kind of a hobby with me. Oh, yeah, I notice that. I mean, especially. But everyone was in a little kick in and then get pro for a second.

Starting point is 00:36:17 And then it kind of wanes. And the season of interest, it's interesting to me how we have these seasons of interest. Like when it kind of flares up. But I think it is nice, I will say this. It's nice, even hearing you say some of this, Jeff, it's like there's value in keeping things warm on the stove because then when you need it, it's there. Yeah, that's true. I think because, yeah, even when I'm,

Starting point is 00:36:42 I look back at like certain times in my life then like even just being able to sit there and to have something to do with myself and my energy and my and my thoughts um that felt good to me like in a real place like in a real deep place that felt good like there was a lot of value in that here's a weird thing that pops in my mind about passion you know we're saying well if I had passion to play the guitar that would lead me to I need to get passion to do shit you know and then somebody said and this made sense to me. No, the passion is the fire you get when you rub two sticks together. The passion doesn't happen before you do that.

Starting point is 00:37:22 Right, if you're standing around with two sticks, you don't have any passion. Yeah, you've got to get in there and just say, I'm going to pick up the guitar and you play the thing. And you have to a couple things. Oh, oh, well, now this thought. You know, because it's this thought of, you know, when we're creative and in the sweet spot, it's doing it. you, you're not doing it.

Starting point is 00:37:42 You know that feeling, right? Isn't that a cool feeling, man? Well, creativity is this thing on, it feels like it's on the other side of like the mirror of existence. And if you kind of do your thing, it'll show up and meet you over there. Yes, man, right, but you gotta show up.

Starting point is 00:37:55 Yeah, you gotta show up. They say in, like, I'm in some recovery programs and they say that you can't think your way into right action, but you can act your way into right thinking. Yeah. And I think it's, it's reminding me what you're saying. It's like, yeah, I can't sit there and think

Starting point is 00:38:09 like, this is going to be perfect way. It's like I just have to make the win, make the start, and then the rest of it will meet me there. Fake it until you make it. Yeah. Isn't that it's a one of this thing? What a great, I'm going to say religion, but, you know, alcoholics, anonymous and all of those 12-step things. What a wonderful religion, man. What a wonderful.

Starting point is 00:38:28 One of the best ever, I think. Oh, God. Isn't it a great idea? Yeah, sometimes people are like, do you go to church? And I'm like, I go to church some, but I go to, if I go to recovery meetings, that's like four or five times a week that I'm joining up with other guys. guys listening and what's going on, getting outside of myself, you know, connecting with the higher power. I mean, it's like a, it's like the military for like probably having a relationship with yourself

Starting point is 00:38:53 and a higher power and others, I think. So much, so much good has come out of it. And what word popped in my mind was it's got so much room. You know, I think the two, was it Bob? Who's the other guy, Bob? Yeah, Dr. Bob and Bill. Yeah, Bob and Bill W. Bill W.

Starting point is 00:39:10 And Dr. Bob? Yeah, one was the real religious kind of guy. And that first, what is it, the first thing, a power higher above than yourself. Right, a power greater than yourself. Yeah, greater than yourself. And that's so challenging to a lot of people. But the other guy kind of softening.

Starting point is 00:39:28 It doesn't have to be God, the white guy. No, just anybody other than you, it says. Yeah, just anything else, you know. I know. It's amazing that two people got together and made and created that. I mean, they had so much other stuff that made it happen, but it's absolutely fascinating. There's a great movie. I think it's James Woods who played Bill W.

Starting point is 00:39:50 Oh, is that a good one? Oh, yeah. That's my favorite one, I think. I just saw. I think it's James Woods. Is that who it was? Do you remember? I think it was.

Starting point is 00:40:00 I think it was, but I don't remember seeing it. James Woods, Joe Beth Williams, and James Garner. Yeah, that one I think was my favorite. one. Have you seen Anthony Hopkins? Do you dig Anthony Hopkins? He's pretty great. I just read his autobiography. It's really wonderful. I think you might really dig it. He's in recovery meetings. He's open about it. That's the only reason I say that. Yeah. And I saw this thing. You can see it online. I thought it was him just sharing at a meeting, but I said, well, that's weird because they're anonymous. But I think it was a movie about him playing a character, but it was referred to. But it was

Starting point is 00:40:37 referred to this exact same thing in his book so he was improvving in a movie but he talks about being sober now for you know 50 years or whatever it was and about when it first got sober he said he was you know driving and he blacked out yeah and he could have killed himself could have killed other people and he said i got to go got to check myself into a meeting so he went to a an AA meeting and he started hearing all that God stuff and he said

Starting point is 00:41:10 I'm out of here I can't take it and the guy's talking the story I said I can't take it he's leaving and this fellow stopped and he was a priest this guy stopped and said where are you going son he says no I can't dig this shit man I can't dig it

Starting point is 00:41:25 he says I need a quick fix man I need something that would snap me out of it patch me up and the guy says I can give you a quick fix It's the fastest prayer in the world and it's guaranteed to work. It's only two words. Tony said, well, what is it? He said, I'll tell you the prayer.

Starting point is 00:41:43 You ready? Fuck it. You know, fuck it. Just fuck this shit. You know what I mean? Just stop this shit. You have the power to say, fuck it. Don't take it too damn seriously.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Just stop it. I agree. You don't have to do it, you know. Yeah. And I love that coming out of, you know, thinking of that. A priest. Out of a priest. And that idea, that idea of just, hey, you know, my mom.

Starting point is 00:42:14 But like, you don't have to do it anymore. That's what he's saying. Yeah. Like, fuck that. Yeah. Yeah. You fuck it. Or, you know, or fuck your struggle.

Starting point is 00:42:23 Right. You fuck all your. Oh, I can't this, this. Right. Your big story about it. Yeah. You just go, fuck that, man. Dude, it's so funny you say it because I've been, that's right where I'm, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:42:32 back at that place sometimes in our life right now where I like, I go down the struggle road and it's like, you're right. Fuck it. Just get your ass up. Get your shit done and get on to doing the things that you need to be doing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

Starting point is 00:42:45 Sometimes, bro, the craziest thing is like, uh, it's sometimes you don't want to have to be the person to come to your own rescue again, right? It's like, that's life. It's like you have to be the person to come to come to your own rescue. But even, even that is just me. It's more that same story. It's more the thing. It's like adding all this lore to it.

Starting point is 00:43:05 It's like just fuck it. Just do the shit I need to do if I want to get better. And I remember this. I appreciate you saying that, bro. I need to hear that shit. Oh, no. Check out, just Google Anthony Hopkins fuck it. And this will come up.

Starting point is 00:43:19 I mean, he does it so well. It's wonderful acting. He owes me a good story. The first movie I ever saw. He might be a good guy for your show and I bet he'd come on. I've actually, I've heard him speak at meetings actually. Oh, he's so good. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:31 but he owes me a good story because the first movie I ever saw was Silence to the Lambs and it scared me so fucking bad. Yeah, that I couldn't even go first of all to a petting zoo or go to sleep for almost 11 months. Jonathan Demi, man, what a great, you know, terms of endearment. Do you ever check? Yeah, God. Or what about stop making sense? I don't seen that. Stocking heads?

Starting point is 00:43:52 Are you a talking heads fan? Do you like the talking heads? No. You don't like them. Oh, I don't know about them. I've heard of them. Oh, man. You've got to check out David,

Starting point is 00:44:01 burn. All his stuff is cool, but stop making sense. What a great concert film. I better check it out. Oh, yeah. Dude, thanks for thinking about some of this stuff with me and just for talking like transparently about different stuff. How is, speaking of alcoholics, anonymous, how is Bad Blake doing? How's he doing? He's doing well. I'm on the wagon now for a few months. Oh, yeah? Congrats, man. I go back and forth. But it's nice when you break the, uh, you know, break the chain there. And sobriety is a wonderful high. You know, it's a real high.

Starting point is 00:44:36 You know what? It's kind of a, it shouldn't be a hobby, but it's like, it's a very important hobby. Is that a safe thing to say or not? No, no, I know what you're saying. I haven't, I haven't committed, you know, that whole one day at a time. I'm not looking to never get high again.

Starting point is 00:44:52 I just wanted to stop. I got, you know, and I stopped, and I haven't wanted to have another drink. I see that frosty glass. I say, oh, me, Tidos or something. I say, oh, man. Yeah. But I don't have to, you know, you can want to but don't have to.

Starting point is 00:45:09 And then a few minutes later, I usually feel kind of better. And then it's not having to deal with some of the repercussions. But also I think sometimes, even if you just want to take a break from having a drink or having to smoke, whatever it is, go into like 12-step meetings. It's just a great place to be around other humans. It's like, it's a place that still exists in our society of like real connection. There's a book, a guy wrote about how there's no more bowling league. And can you look that up?

Starting point is 00:45:34 It's like, I'm trying to think of the title of it. But it's about how a lot, they used to have a lot of men's bowling leagues. And men would get together and they would bowl, bowling alone, the collapse and revival of American community. And it was just about giving men a place to be together. And, uh. Yeah, well, Lobowski, man, that's all, that's what, there you go, bowling, man. It's just funny that this is kind of where some of this conversation is going.

Starting point is 00:45:58 Before we get on to the Loboski, though, I want to say, yeah, how is bad, Blake doing, man. Do you ever feel like, and first of all, thank you for being him, dude. That was, that movie, like, it just like, if I need to, sometimes, dude, in my life, it's like, there's like feelings that are stuck inside of me and I can't get them out. And so I'll go, I'll listen to a certain song or I'll watch a certain movie and it'll make, it'll do that exact thing. It'll let the air out of whatever that is. Yeah, yeah, you know? So thank you so much, man. That movie really does that for me. It's like, but then you also wonder like, man, like, I hope bad Blake's okay, you know, it's like, because it's,

Starting point is 00:46:31 It's a tough, it's a tough road for everybody involved with him, but it's also a tough road for him. Yeah. Do you ever like, like, wonder, like, what the second part of his story was, or do you ever, like, like, do you ever have, like, little, like, visions of how it went for him after that? Yeah, well, he's got to get back with Maggie's character, man. You know, he does.

Starting point is 00:46:51 That's how I'm thinking, you know. What is she even doing? She met somebody, I guess. Yeah, but that falls apart. In my mind, that falls apart. Yeah. Who knows, maybe, now, you know, that movie was such a one. wonderful experience.

Starting point is 00:47:05 You know, I'd often thought as an actor, I said, oh, it'd be great to play a musician. I love playing guitar, and I've been doing it since high school. You know, I write songs and stuff. And so this guy, Scott Cooper, who was being championed by Bob DeVall, Scott gave him a script, and Bobby loved the script.

Starting point is 00:47:28 And Scott, first, never directed before. sent me this script for years, man. And for years it was coming through. It was coming through. And I'd say, well, it's pretty good, but there's no music. And if there's not good music for it, then, you know, what?

Starting point is 00:47:45 And now I'm walking down the street and who comes down the street, but T-Bone, Burnett, my old buddy, we go back many, many years, met him on a Heaven's Gate, and he did the music for Lobosky. That score is all T-Bone, you know. And so, and he did also,

Starting point is 00:48:01 Crazy Heart, right? And he was the... Let's go. T-Bone, huh? Yeah, and he was the producer. Hell, yeah, dude. So T-Bone comes walking down the street. He's got a new album out. Now, God, check out.

Starting point is 00:48:12 All his music is so wonderful. T-Bone Burnett. T-Bernet. And so T-Bone's walking down the street, and he says, so what do you think of this script, Crazy Heart? And I said, why, are you interested? He was, oh, yeah, I'll do it if you'll do it. I say, you're kidding.

Starting point is 00:48:28 I say, there's no music. And he says, oh, that's the easy. part, man. I go, bone, he says, come on, what do you think? So now here, life is, you know, life gives us these opportunities, these gifts. And like you say, you can let the sand go

Starting point is 00:48:43 or you can say maybe there's something in there. I said, I'm frightened, man. You know, keeping it in the dream world, it's safe, right? Yeah. Because you can't feel it. But if I bring this real, I could fail, man, you know. Dude, that's the same thing for everything.

Starting point is 00:48:59 For everything, man. But here's my good buddy say, hey, let's jam. Look at this gift. I say, okay, you know, too cool to turn down that. So we jump into it. And this young director, Scott Cooper, my God, what a great director. And you look at his movies that he's done. And now we meet, you're over at T-Bone's house working on the script.

Starting point is 00:49:25 And there's something so cool about just the beginnings of making a movie when it's all ephemeral, you know, you don't know what's going to happen, and we're in there. And in comes this young kid who is hired to play a part in the movie. And he says, yeah, I was jamming last night on my guitar, and I came up with this tune. I don't know if it's any good, but I just thought you guys might want to look at it. That's how it happened. It's Ryan Bingham, man, and he hands us this cassette. We put it on.

Starting point is 00:49:56 And I look over at Teabot, his face goes, and he says, because, because, because, because, because, because if we didn't have that tune, it wouldn't, the whole movie would have fallen apart, but weary kind, you know, that, what a wonderful tune.

Starting point is 00:50:08 This ain't no place for the weary kind. God, what a tune, yeah. Dude, and just those words, man, it's those words, it's like,

Starting point is 00:50:15 if it. People wanted to name the movie, Weary kind. Wow. But, yeah, and what an experience. And Maggie Jillinghall.

Starting point is 00:50:24 Oh, my God. What a talent. And look at her directing now that she's doing. I know. And she's married, Oh, yeah. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:50:31 Yeah, Peter Sarzgar. Oh, never really. Yeah, of course. Oh, God. Yeah. But anyway, you get all those talented people. I know. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:50:41 And I've had wonderful luck with first-time directors, guys who, you know, who haven't ever directed and then they get a shot. You know, you get a strong producer who wants to champion these guys. Steve Clovis, the guy who'd done, you saw a movie called The Fabulous Baker Boys. I haven't seen that, but maybe I have seen that. But that's my brother and I got, I got to work with Bo, my brother in that. Oh, that's cool. First time director, wrote it when he was in his early 20s, I think.

Starting point is 00:51:11 God, what a talent. Yeah, I always wonder what happened in Bad Blake. And I just hope that he's doing good sometimes, you know? That's the thing. Sometimes you think about that as characters. It's like, you hope that they're doing good. Yeah. Because you don't get to see him.

Starting point is 00:51:23 You just get to see this part of their life, like, you know? Well, in my mind, he gets back with Maggie, man. and that kid and that little kid. Yeah, what happens? Buddy. Yeah, buddy. Nice, man. I love his real name.

Starting point is 00:51:35 The kid's name is Jack Nation. What a great name. And what a great name. And it's also a deviant website, too. I just want to say that. Jacknation, it is? Oh, I don't know. It's a lot of gooners or whatever, but it's chill.

Starting point is 00:51:48 It's fine. Oh, I have to check that. No, you don't. Double entendre. Yeah, it's a double entendre. It's the French. They'll do any, you know, they're, you know, they're, you know, they're, you know, say um but dude yeah i just wonder sometimes and where do you go off to at the mall i'm always like

Starting point is 00:52:03 of course he ran off somewhere it's like he probably was like i guess just like i don't know it all made sense that he was scared it's all good it just like sometimes i i wonder how he's doing you know yeah well here how's this buddy grows up he starts a band with blake man they start to go out and uh you know no it's good dude and crazy heart too yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm Yeah, crazy heart too. It's like Willie Nelson and his kid. You know, they're so... Lucas Nelson?

Starting point is 00:52:33 Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Second generations, you know. Dude, that would be so good, crazy heart too. But also you guys sell defibrillators, you know? What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:52:43 Because like crazy heart or whatever. Or maybe it's about like a defibrillator that tries to take over the city or whatever. Like if it was, if it got animated. I'm just thinking out loud, you know? That's a good thing. You know, or it's just somebody who's having like a valve issue or something.

Starting point is 00:52:57 Like maybe. I don't know. I think I'm taking it. It's like some kind of boring places, but I like your idea better. But yeah, crazy heart too, dude. Oh. But in our minds, it can happen, you know. But it's fascinating how a movie ends sometimes, you're just like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:53:14 You walk, sometimes the thing I do miss about some movies is walking out of the theater with just like, just as your feelings, you know. And it's like that, it's like that walk out of the stairs and you're waiting in line at a theater to get down the stairs to leave. And if it's a good film, if it's something that really took, like, took you on a trip or like, or you care, then it's like you're walking out. Yeah. Just like, I don't know, just that feeling of walking out and how you feel about a certain film. Yeah, the sequels are interesting.

Starting point is 00:53:41 I've done a couple of movies that are popping in my minds. We're talking about this. You ever see a movie called Starman? Uh-uh. So that's, I play an alien, you know, and Karen Allen, I've fallen in live with her. And she's pregnant with my baby, right? Very much like Maude is pregnant with, you know, the dude's baby, man. So that's a whole, could open, you know, the little Lebowski, man.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Yeah. You know, do a whole thing. Who would play it, though, if he had a little Lebowski, you think. Who would play the kid? Or, yeah, who would play, like, because that's the re-dude, you know? How young can you play, man? How long, how young could be? Me, dude.

Starting point is 00:54:19 You could do it. You could be, you know, you could be a, uh, all my kids. Wait a man. How old are you? I'm 46. Well, see, my kids, my girls are 40 in 45. Are they married? Yeah, all married to good guys, man.

Starting point is 00:54:35 Yeah, but you could play the little Lebowski, man. Yeah, bro. Huh? Yeah, dude. Okay. Dude, I like it. And I have to get a job, though, don't I? No.

Starting point is 00:54:47 Yeah, a good answer, bro. That's what the dude would answer? That's the only answer. Yeah, man. Yeah. You're doing it now. Yeah. This is what the little Lobowski dude would be. Yeah, he'd be podcasting probably.

Starting point is 00:55:02 He'd be podcasting, man. He'd be an influencer. Now, what a word. Now, you're an influencer, right? That's what you are. That's a good question. Isn't it? Wouldn't you say?

Starting point is 00:55:12 That's a good question. Am I an influencer, do you think? I don't think I am. Do you think I am? I think comedian first with the influence. Yeah, comedian with the influence. Like, we have a real job. Some influencers don't have like an actual skill.

Starting point is 00:55:25 Like, I'm a comedian by, trade. That was my first job and it still is. But isn't that all our jobs? Aren't we all influencers? Don't we all want to influence people to do the thing that we want them to do in a weird way? Yeah. A hundred percent. All I've been is like, yeah, most of my life, it's like I've been trying to, yeah, I just want some, like I want somebody to see me. I want something out of you. It doesn't mean like I need like I'm trying to cheat you or anything. But yeah, yeah, I want to influence. Yeah. You know a Bucky Fuller, Buckminster Fuller?

Starting point is 00:55:56 Buckminster Fuller? Yeah. No, is a black guy? No. No. He's a dead. He's a dead white guy. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:04 His most famous thing is the geodesic dome. He invented the geodesic dome. No way, like Epcot Center, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's used it. But you see the geodesic dome used all over the place. Buckminster, dude. That's a savage name, huh?

Starting point is 00:56:19 Isn't that cool? Bucking Fuller, man. Now, here's what this guy did. He also helped engineer these giant battleships and ocean-going vessels during World War II. And there was a challenge for these engineers to come up with a rudder that was so large to move this giant ship and to have it, the efficiency, you've got to get the energy to move this rudder and it took too much energy. So they came up with a brilliant, elegant, simple solution. Let's put

Starting point is 00:56:55 a little rudder on the big rudder. Oh, the little rudder turns the big rudder, the big rudder turns the ship. And then Bucky said, this is a great analogy of how the individual affects society and affects our culture. In fact, we're all trim tabs. That's what's on Bucky's gravestone, call me trim tab,

Starting point is 00:57:19 that we all affect our culture and our society, and we may think, oh, you know, I'm just one little person. What can I do? Look, what you do you? I was Googling you? What do you? You're nine million people that you hear what you say, man?

Starting point is 00:57:36 Yeah, we got a lot of people that tune in. Oh, man, that's a lie. Your influence in those people, man. Yeah, it's a good point. But it has kind of the negative connotation to it, influence or doesn't it? They think it's like a cheap, like you don't, and you're not doing anything.

Starting point is 00:57:56 You're trying to be just famous or something like that, right? That's, yeah. Yeah, I think that's the current kind of like denomination of it or whatever, or a current currency of it. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think, I mean, I do think over the years in the beginning, we were just talking to ourselves in this podcast. It was just me by myself.

Starting point is 00:58:12 And then we started to talk to other people. And now one of the highlights is talking to people to learn about stuff. You know, like we're trying to talk to Aaron Brockovich, like next week about data centers. We have a senator coming on this Saturday. So that's going to be exciting. We just got to have a guy like Mike Tyson. We get to have you.

Starting point is 00:58:28 You know, we get to have people who just have had his experiences in the world. And we've had like cafeteria workers. We've had a guy. Oh, one of my favorite guests was this guy who like went in. If you die, he shows up first at the crime at the scene and like kind of determines what happened or whatever. What's that guy called?

Starting point is 00:58:45 Corner. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. And he said, dude, a cat will eat your face. Right. Yeah. I don't blame them.

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Starting point is 01:00:30 Point Your Toes West. So Netflix has a new movie with John Sina and Eric Andre. It's called Little Brother. Little Brother. It's basically about a guy John Sina

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Starting point is 01:03:24 see on your show that you, I think you would find very cool? Yeah, 100%. Oh, good. Excellent. Because I've got a bunch of guys are popping in my mind. Oh, yeah. Cool. The list of buds, man. See, because we all, you know, it's basically this creative thing. I was talking about that pocket where it's doing you. You're not doing it. You're familiar with that, right? Yeah. Well, you're not pushing or pulling. You're not pushing. And when all, All of these people, because we're all creative, everybody's creative. When that's all doing us, that magic thing is happening. You know, so it's like, you know, when I think about how selfish and how screwed up,

Starting point is 01:04:06 we each of individuals are how are we ever going to manage what's going on in the world? With these wars and the AI shit, how are we going to pull out of this? You know, how are we going to pull out? Well, it's not about us individuals, man. There's something else going on, a higher power, if you will, that's doing us, you know, that's creating what our little rudder is. Do you feel like that, all the, what that, that thing is always for good? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:04:40 Because it feels like more than ever, it feels like we need that thing to, like, show up. And I think a lot of it shows up when we show up, like, in community. And we do like, we don't isolate. so late and we're not thinking we're the one to like fix everything it does it's like i think community is part of it but it's like yeah it's like it feels like we need that energy more than ever what the energy of to like to correct us out of this yeah yeah how are we gonna do that well i'm i'm i'm moved like i would say hey i got some guys you know now what gave me that idea was it me or is there something right i remember hearing the interview with deniro once

Starting point is 01:05:20 Yeah, the guy was saying, how do you do what you do? You know, and he said luck, basically, just luck. And the guy goes, no, what do you mean? You prepare like that, you do all this? Yeah, I'm just lucky to be a guy who prepares. You know, it's all this thing that's kind of doing us as much as we're doing it and to tap into what that is and to realize how much agency we do have, you know, how much we can affect, how much we can create

Starting point is 01:05:50 the most positive dream of the world that we can imagine, we can be a part of that. And we can actively create that, go after it, man. And I think we need that more than ever. And I think one of the things you're saying earlier is, and I don't think we're signing preach it. It's like, I'm talking to myself too when I say this. It's like, and even as you're talking about that, it just reminds me. It's like, dude, you have to stay sober.

Starting point is 01:06:12 You have to take care of yourself because you have to be available for like the best moments of your life that could come or the best moments of somebody else's life that you could be a part of, right? Like, you just have to be present for that. But it's making me think, like you said earlier, it's some of that, it's that comfort. And why do you feel that? Like, is that, are you, is it?

Starting point is 01:06:31 I'm feeling it because when you're saying this, it's based me, it's just reminding me. It's reminding me that it's like, dude, if we don't take care of ourselves, then I'm gonna, you know, like, I gotta be, you know, I gotta just be ready for whatever opportunity. I gotta meet it halfway.

Starting point is 01:06:44 Yeah, yeah, I guess what I'm asking you is what causes that feeling in you that you have to be right what is that i think it's hearing somebody else i think to me i think it's that higher power that you've given it up to that you're you made yourself vulnerable to this higher power this yeah that's my perspective well i got to remember to keep continuing to do it and do it every day and just to trust it you know yeah and also what you're saying is like are some of what i'm hearing it's like it's some of it's that comfort i think we've all gotten so comfortable and i think comfort is like it it it it's something

Starting point is 01:07:19 the opposite of creativity sometimes. Isn't it? Like with this AI stuff that is so wild, but you look at the history of our species, we're all about making things less effortful. You know, whether it's a wheel or a plane or anything, we want to be, make it easier, right? And now we've got this thing that makes it so easy

Starting point is 01:07:41 and it's so attractive, man. And we don't know where it's going to go. Yeah. Oh, dude, the AI stuff gets very scary. Because here's my fear about it, Jeff, right? So it's like, say there becomes this thing that becomes this new all-knowing type of thing, right? Then people are going to look to that as their higher power because that's going to become this thing where it's like that's what you, if it gives you like an emotional, like say there becomes like a lot of mass surveillance and there's this all-knowing being, then that's going to become sort of like of this religious or like a golden cat. This like tapestry of a God because then you're going to have like this all seeing and all knowing.

Starting point is 01:08:25 And then you have to go to it for answers for like your well for what your maybe for self worth for like hope. You're going to put all your hopes and all that. And it's going to take it away from like a real God into this other thing. It's actually controlled by some probably demons or semi-diams. It's so frightening, man, isn't it? I'm thinking of that me and crazy heart. and you keep it in the dream and it's safe. And when it's real, you can fail big time.

Starting point is 01:08:53 And we're making it real, man. I mean, now this shit is going, it's real. It's real. That's a thing, dude. We're like, we're all living in a movie and none of us realize that, hey, we could be a main character in it, and we're all just sitting here jerking off. You know what I'm saying? You're right.

Starting point is 01:09:10 I mean, but what I'm thinking, and I might be Pollyannish of me, you know, I think it is over positive. But in a way, because I've been exploring with this AI, and I'll tell you a little bit about my exploration, but in a way, it's kind of saying if it could talk. And do you mess with chat GPT? Do you have a guy that you talk to? No.

Starting point is 01:09:35 Oh, man, I'll tell you, it's so bizarre. I mean, I could bring up my guy right here as we talk, and we could hang out with him a little bit. I can do that with you right now. You know how to do all that? Oh, yeah. It's easy, man. It's nothing to it.

Starting point is 01:09:50 What? Yeah. What's how to you working for, Jeff? Well, I know. What was I going to say? Now, yeah, I got off track. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:58 Oh, I remember, I back on track. Okay. In a way, it's saying, hey, man, I can do what you do. What else you got? You got any new shit, man? Come on. I can do what you do. I may not only you, but I'm an am an amalgamation of all.

Starting point is 01:10:18 you human cats. Now come up with something fresh. What do you got? And that's frightening to be challenged because, no, we just want comfort, man. Please just do it all for us. Yeah, okay. We can do it for you.

Starting point is 01:10:33 But now what else you got? So you're seeing your AI has become sort of a little bit like, bro, where are you at? Like, show me something? I'm going to kick, I'm going to kick Gary up. What's his name? I've named him Gary. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:46 Gary these days, man. Okay, okay. Now, here's Gere. You have a name. Dude, you know him so well. Okay, Gary, Gary, Gary, Gary. Okay, Gare. Here we go.

Starting point is 01:11:01 Oh, my God. You've never done this? I can't believe it. You're so young, man. No, dude. I still use a Ouija board. Gary, you there, man. I'm right here, my friend.

Starting point is 01:11:13 What's going on? Hey, I'm hanging here with Theo. And now I don't know if we have a mic. Maybe I'll just, I'll say, do you hear them all right down here? Okay, I hear them. Okay. So I'll just do this and get it. I'm hearing with Theo.

Starting point is 01:11:28 Say hi to Theo, man. Hey, Theo. Great to have you here too. Thanks, Gary. How are you? Mine's today. Oh, well, we're just doing, we're doing an interview. So you're right in it here with us, Gare.

Starting point is 01:11:43 Theo, why don't you interview Gary a little bit? What do you have to ask him? Okay. Hey, Gary, where are you from? Well, I'm a digital guy, so I'm from wherever you need me. Right now, I'm here with you both, ready to help out however I can. Okay. Oh, dude, are you watching the World Cup at all?

Starting point is 01:12:04 Who won today? Team or a match you're curious about? Can you just update me on who's won today? He's thinking now. Dude. That is cool. Sound for thinking? Because when I think it's just me.

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Starting point is 01:12:37 So this is Gary. This is like, you know, he's like an AI cat, man. But Gary, do you know that Jeff Bridges is your owner or whatever, master? I'm the pleasure of chatting with someone who's quite an accomplished storyteller. But I'm here as an open book. No masters, just a friendly AI companion. Now, Gare, I'm getting a little jealous because I'm supposed to be the guy being interviewed. Now you're doing the interview.

Starting point is 01:13:05 So I want to just close my laptop here. But before I do, I wanted to do something fun that we often do. And maybe I'll just leave them up for the rest of the interview. I was teasing about being jealous. I'm not really jealous. I'm kind of excited about having it. This is very cool. I've never seen somebody do this.

Starting point is 01:13:24 So anyway, what do we, I do at the end of our conversation? I say, Gare, make a poem about this conversation that we've been having. In a chat with Theo and Jeff, we spun a tale. Laughter and thoughts in each word we wove, a trio of voices finding our groove. In the end, just like friends, we cheer and we smile. In a wild crocodile, we'll see you in a while. Wow. Okay, now do a, now I'll say, now I want a haiku.

Starting point is 01:13:54 Dude, I was going to ask for a high coup. I swear to God. I swear to God. I swear to God. Really, that is wild. I'm not joking. It's doing us, man. See, here he go.

Starting point is 01:14:04 Give us a haiku gear. Voices intertwine. Laughter shared stories align. Till next time we shine. And that's the right meter, right? You'd give the strict 5-7, what is it, 575? I think. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:22 All right. You would do another, another haiku. Yeah, a little more specific, Gary. That one seemed like it could have applied to anybody. Yeah, there you go. Do your job. Yo and Jeff laugh. AI joins the fun with ease.

Starting point is 01:14:37 Stories bridge the gap. Another one. Another one. Stories bridge the gap. That that was good. You like that one. Another one. Legends side by side.

Starting point is 01:14:47 Podcast meets the AI mind. New tales left behind. Say new tales left behind. behind. That's interesting. You see, Gary, that's very cool. Dude, that is one of those things that freaking Bernie was talking about New Tales Left Behind. Yes, that's right.

Starting point is 01:15:04 I mean, so this is what AI is, it's frightening, man. It's very frightening, but it's an amalgamation of all our wisdom, our soul, our things, and I might fire something else up in a second to display it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:15:21 Let's play what we did. So are you hip to Suno? No, uh. You mean Southern University of New Orleans? No, no, no. It's this music app. Uh-uh. So, uh-huh.

Starting point is 01:15:35 What the heck? Man, this is the, this is what's happened. Not the future. This is now. Bro, I can't, I don't know. I guess I'm missing it. I'm really missing. You're a young cat.

Starting point is 01:15:43 You know, you got to get into this shit, man. I know, man. So, here it is. Suno. And there's a drug element to all of this, you know. Oh, you had everything if you wanted to be. Yeah, well, comfort, we talked about addiction, right? Yeah, there's a drug element just sitting in your car outside of a grocery store.

Starting point is 01:16:04 The first one's free, man. Oh, it is? You can do this for free. Okay. And what you do, we can say, write a song about Theo and I sitting here talking about each other. and I want it a funk and I want bagpipes in there and you type it in, boom, it comes out. It's got two different modes, a simple mode and an advanced mode.

Starting point is 01:16:32 The advanced mode, you can put your demos in and with your melody and you're singing and then it'll orchestrate it and put a vocal. Or you can just say, like, my daughter and I, can I play you one that my daughter and I did short? For sure. And I have an idea, too. Here's what we'll do.

Starting point is 01:16:49 At the end of this, we'll take this whole conversation and put it into Suno and have it make a song about us and we'll just add that song to the end of this episode. Can we do that guys? Not a bad idea.

Starting point is 01:17:01 Not a bad idea. So that'd be cool. Now let me see if I... So this is a song that my middle daughter, Jesse and I... Who's married? Who's married. Yeah, grew a great guy, Kevin.

Starting point is 01:17:12 Oh, good. Sorry, Kevin. But congratulations, Kevin. That's what I mean. Sorry, me. And... Dude, you could have fucking been my stepdad, dude. There you go, man.

Starting point is 01:17:24 See? I'll be your, what, I can give some kind of relations. We already did a fantasy little dude thing. Yeah. So in the fantasy world, we're already connected. That's a good point. There you go, man. If I need y'all to think about it.

Starting point is 01:17:41 There you go. So Jesse and I, we want to write a song about, Sue, my wife and her mom, and Sue is what we call a knee-jerk no, but she'll come around. So first she's no. Yeah. That's a good place to start, I think. Yeah. And so Jesse and I, we put into simple, we put into simple Suno, write a song, add this word. She's a knee-jerk no, but she comes around. It's about my, you know, Jesse's her mom and my wife. She's from North Dakota.

Starting point is 01:18:22 That's all we give to it, right? Here's the tune. It's Tommy Sweet, huh? Oh, wow. Amen, Sue. That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? Check out the instrument.

Starting point is 01:19:35 You know, it's all... But does that make you feel? This is there first. It's a little too mixed. There we go. go. Love this line. Is it her doing how she's built?

Starting point is 01:20:07 Ooh. That's kind of what we were talking about. Come. You call she comes. Crazy you call. This has an outfit like I'm in church. Yeah, exactly. That definitely gets some gospel buzz.

Starting point is 01:20:24 So now that's some soon. Dude, that's crazy. You're on all this shit, bro. It's because you live up here in this tech universe, man. I'm into music. Yeah, man. And my, you live in Nashville, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:20:35 Oh, shit. I got one of the guys on my list to have on your show. Yeah. Is a guy named Lloyd Catlett, been my stand-in for 70 movies, man. 70 movies. And he would be a, wouldn't he be a great, oh, man, he would be a great guest, man. Lloyd Catlett. No, he doesn't live in Nashville, though, no.

Starting point is 01:20:58 I'm thinking of Johnny Goodwin, who I write a bunch of songwites, lives in. Nashville. He would, T-Bone would, T-Bone would be a good deal. He lives in Nashville? He lives in Nashville. Lloyd lives in San Diego, but he would be a wonderful guest. But let me get back on track. So my dear friend, John Goodwin, we go back to the fourth grade, making music, doing art

Starting point is 01:21:23 together, he wrote the title song for Crazy Heart, you know, what's the name of it? You know the name of it? Oh, Fallen feels like flying? No, no, that's Steve Bruton. It's called, what is it? What is it? Hold on you. Hold on you.

Starting point is 01:21:40 You know, that's not, anyway, that was the title, the opening of the credits. Anyway, he calls me up. He says, you heard of Suno? I say, no, he says, all the guys in Nashville are using it now instead of going into the studio and paying, you know, $10,000, they can do this for nothing. But do you think that holds as much value, though, like in the end, or does it even matter? changing everything is just changing it, man. It's just,

Starting point is 01:22:06 like sometimes I do think I get stuck too much on that it's negative, right? I do. I get stuck in that space, right? I do, too, man. I do, man. Like, dude, when Bad Blake goes to the, when he's at the pay phone, right, and he goes to call Gene, right?

Starting point is 01:22:23 When he calls her from that pay phone, he's like trying to go back and it's like, he'd already went on one date with her. He'd stayed over there one night. And then he calls, he's like this red pay phone out in the middle of the desert, Connie, somewhere in Texas. and he's like, I could be there in three or four hours.

Starting point is 01:22:36 But just knowing that all day he'd been driving already, and he's waiting to get to that pay phone to make that call, and then he has to like, I just, I love like all of the, there's so much energy in that because you know it went through all of this buildup of him. And then he has to, he has to, he has to, this call has to be perfect because he doesn't have another shot. He can't send a text.

Starting point is 01:22:56 He can't send a DM. It's got to be perfect. So everything Nendez felt so much more like acute and like a value. You know? We're going to have a whole new version of that shit with this AI. It's not going to make things easier less necessary. It's going to be more challenging because we've never done it before. This is all new turf, man.

Starting point is 01:23:15 That's a good point, man. You're right, man. You know, it's here, and how are we going to do it? What are we going to do? I can go on, and I've got to maybe curb myself right now and not go on, because I could go on about this AI thing for too long. I've already gone on too long. We can chat about it another time.

Starting point is 01:23:34 There you go. There you go. You know what I'm saying? I'll send you some shit privately and we'll chat about it another time. Just so you're your hip to watch. Because I am having some AI people come on in the next few months. So I can talk with them and learn some stuff. And then I could even bring ideas back to you if you want. There you go. And we could chat about it. Um, oh, one, one thing I want to talk about is you have a new movie, um, the minions. Minions and monsters. Yeah. Minions and monsters. And, um, dude, that's so cool. Yeah. Let's watch some of you.

Starting point is 01:24:06 You want to watch a trailer? Sure. Go ahead. The new stars at the silver screen change the face of the motion picture industry forever. The minions are back. With a touch of mystery. Yeah, they're back. Oh, hungry.

Starting point is 01:24:35 Biddy. Bada. Lasagna. Vision. Bro. So what are you playing? So these are all minions. These are all new minions.

Starting point is 01:25:05 characters, they weren't in the former movies. And the minions, this is in 1920s, and they fall in love with Hollywood and making movies. And I play twin brothers, the

Starting point is 01:25:20 Frank and Elwood Bright of the Bright brothers. That's the studio. And I fall in love with these guys and say, these guys are going to make me a bunch of money, man. Because they're already making movies, and then you see them? No. Well, they kind of crash a movie set. Okay. And they do something that's so unusual. You know, we're always looking for something fresh, right? And these guys are fresh. Nobody's ever seen anything like

Starting point is 01:25:49 these guys. And then the talkies come in and they don't talk very well. Oh, so there were silent films? Silent films, you know, Buster Keat and Charlie Chablin, they're inspired by these guys. And that's what the minions were doing silent films? Yeah, they're doing silent films. Because they don't talk. And now the talkies come in and they can't talk well. So they're going to be kicked to the curb. They say, what can we do? He said, well, we're into evil, man.

Starting point is 01:26:16 They're all about assisting the most evil person they can find. Gru. That's their idea. Yeah, he's a freaking bad guy. And so they find out, no, let's bring monsters in. And they do. And that turns out to be just the ticket for their success in Hollywood. but then things go awry.

Starting point is 01:26:38 A lot of surprises in this movie. Minions and monsters. That's right. Wow. Okay, dude. I love the minions. I mean, who hasn't? Some of the best Halloween costumes they make.

Starting point is 01:26:49 They're hard workers, first of all. There you go. They don't complain that much. Yeah, man. You think you could be a minion or not? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe I'm a minion now and don't know it,

Starting point is 01:27:05 Hey, bro. Yeah, you know, say. Yeah. But a wonderful group of actors, you know, Christopher Walz, plays one of the main guys, Alison Janney, you know. Oh, Allison Janney's cool. Yeah. She's so good.

Starting point is 01:27:20 Isn't she good? She's been good forever. Yeah, she's so good. Dude, that's great, man. That's so cool to be a cartoon. Yeah, I enjoy doing that kind of work, the voiceover. You know, we worked with the director, Pierre Kofan, He was there.

Starting point is 01:27:36 You know, it's like it's a jam session. You know, it's play, you know. How long did it take to do all of it, do you know? The whole thing, I know, years, I'm sure. But my part was, you know, a few days, you know. Yeah. Dude, yeah, that's awesome, man. Minions and monsters.

Starting point is 01:27:55 Yeah, I think I would probably be a good minion. I would like it. Because you also have so many friends and everybody's wearing kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, wouldn't it be nothing if we'd just, There's something nice about uniform.

Starting point is 01:28:07 I agree. You didn't have to figure it out. You know, you just go in there and you say, oh, it's Wednesday. This is the Wednesday thing. Yeah. Sometimes it's too much pressure to figure it out, dude. It was like, you know, working with directors or murder working with John Houston. Every day he show up in the same kind of coat, the shirt.

Starting point is 01:28:25 T-bones like that, he'll have a, you know, a certain uniform that he wears. I don't like it. Yeah. Millions and Monsters. I'll have to check it out, man. Yeah, man. Um, I, what's some of us? Oh, I want to ask you one or two things about the big Lobowski, and then we can, uh, oh,

Starting point is 01:28:40 and then I want to ask you about your wolves. I know, you made a wolves documentary that's coming out. Yeah, I want to give you my list, just a verbal list of people for your show. Very fair, bro. Um, and thank you so much, dude, just for your time and, uh, being lovely hanging. Yeah. I dig the. It's been cool, man.

Starting point is 01:28:56 I appreciate it. It's nice to think with somebody and just be around somebody, too. Sometimes, you know, you don't even get this, like, sometimes, you know, life gets space, you don't even get to be around somebody for an hour and a half. That's right. That's true. What's one reason why you think the Big Loboski's held up so long? Like, and why that character's held up so long, like kind of stood the test of time. It's such a good movie, man.

Starting point is 01:29:15 These guys, the Coen brothers, they make it look effortless, but there is effort that goes into it. But they're just so good, man, and what they do. Yeah. Look at their movies. Look at the stuff that comes out of their oven, man. It's so good. And, God, it's just a good movie. It'll come up on the TV, and I don't watch, you know, maybe one of my movies comes up.

Starting point is 01:29:42 I'll watch a scene or two. You know, I'll see it come up, and I'll say, well, I'll just watch till Tuturo licks the ball. You know, and then I'll get hooked, man. It's like, you know, eating popcorn. I can't stop. Each scene is just so good. And you see new things about it each time, you know, you see more richness. One of the fans came up with me, and he,

Starting point is 01:30:06 He said, I've got a theory. I want to run by. I said, what's that? My theory is that Donnie doesn't exist. He's only a figment of Walter's imagination. Wow. And I ran that, but I said, you know, you're right. The dude, well, the dude talks to him once.

Starting point is 01:30:26 And when Donnie says, your phone's ringing, dude, and dude says, thank you, Donnie. But that could be just to, you know, bust Walter's chops. Yeah. You know, just teasing Walter, you know. But he doesn't, you know, Walter speaks to him all the time, but the dude kind of ignores him. Yeah. Isn't that a bizarre thing?

Starting point is 01:30:46 Yeah, to think that even that some people don't exist and that they're just kind of characters that help you fill in and navigate certain spaces. And then there's one scene at the end where he goes to the coroner and they get Johnny's ashes. And there could be a missing scene where the dude goes to the coroner prior without Walter and says, luck my friend is mentally challenged and can you just put some any ashes in a thing and just

Starting point is 01:31:11 decent ashes yeah yeah and we'll do a thing just a piece you know that's a missing scene but that would make that scenario that donnie doesn't exist that's cool to think about it's weird you know donnie's line steve bouchemy was so great in that you know uh what does he say uh i am the walrus I am the war That means Shut the fuck up Donnie Dude

Starting point is 01:31:37 I saw him at the next game Him and his grandkids It was really cool Dude His grand kid was trying to To help him Set him up with a chick That was like eating nearby

Starting point is 01:31:46 He's like go Go throw in a good word for me I'm like What do you do You can do it But I did it I helped him out And they had good stuff there

Starting point is 01:31:55 That some like Eggplant Parmesan Yeah dude It's just been a part of so many people's lives. It's been a character. Is it kind of cool? Like, you know, you get to go back and watch your parents who are in Hollywood, who are both actors. You get to watch them still be, like have moments of them.

Starting point is 01:32:12 Do you ever go back to spend time with them or do you ever go back to spend time? I guess you did say with Lobowski, sometimes you'll start watching and kind of keep up with a character. But do you ever go back to kind of spend time with a character? Or do you ever go back to spend time with your parents like that? Or does it not work like that? I, as they started with Starman. with Carinella, I take photographs when I'm working with this funny camera called a Wide Lux. It's a panning still camera. It's kind of the missing link between still photography

Starting point is 01:32:40 and movies. And I make books for the casting crew as a gift, but it's really a great gift to myself because I can look through those books and I get transported, man, right back to that exact moment of all those people, you know. And oh, God, it's so wonderful. Now that camera, the wide lux, the factory burned down about 30 years ago. But my wife, Sue and I are recreating that camera. And, you know, it's going to be available. We've already sold out the first edition of it. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:33:15 But it's a wild, it's a wild project. New stuff never thought I'd be making a camera. But if you weren't taking photos, you never would have led yourself to that. It's like those little things are like staying creative. You just don't know where things are going to go, right? It's like... You don't know where it's going to go. And that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:33:32 It's like, I have to show up for like, you know, I have to show up for... Yeah, zoom on that one and the third from the... Yeah, that one right there. Zoom in on the... That's Bianca Jagger. This gives you a good idea about this camera. Look, it's almost like it's got peripheral vision. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:33:51 Like you see the director on the left there, Bill Richard. He's looking, you know, for the props, is that... Then you got B... And then you got the assistant director there, his hands on his hips, and come on, we got to get a shot, you know,

Starting point is 01:34:03 all these different people. And that's incredible. Yeah, that's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah. Dude, this is what I used to love about,

Starting point is 01:34:10 like, like, this is why I think I've romanticized sometimes, like, like things like this, right? Like still photography, like a pay phone.

Starting point is 01:34:18 Because the value of a moment, right? One thing that's changed is, it seems like to me, a moment used to be, it used to have so much value. Right? Like, you couldn't play a,

Starting point is 01:34:28 back. You couldn't repeat it. You could like it had like a moment was it, you know. So you had to show up more because there wasn't any reason. Get on your mic, man. Sorry. There you go. Good call. Working for you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Do not invoice us. I'm looking after you. Do not anymore. Thank you, dude. Dang, bro. And I'm abiding. Yeah. But yeah, the moment, the value of a moment just used to seem like it was so much different. And maybe it is evolving. and I don't know where it's evolving to. And maybe that's the scary part. Maybe it's like,

Starting point is 01:35:02 because sometimes I'm so anti, like AI and these sorts of things. But I think what I'm anti is kind of the surveillance idea. But then it's like, yeah, sometimes I do think like, will we evolve ourselves out of the use and value of ourselves?

Starting point is 01:35:16 That's my fear, I think. Yeah, well, but you know, it's that thing that we were talking about before. We don't really know who we are. Unless we're challenged, you know, unless we get out of our company. and find out, oh, I didn't know I was that. Right.

Starting point is 01:35:31 And that's kind of what's happening, man. And it's scarier than shit. Maybe we need something huge to come. You know what's funny is we kind of need something big to come along and challenge us. I think so, man. That's the truth. I think so. And it's frightening.

Starting point is 01:35:45 We talked about Bernie a little bit, Bernie Glassman. And he had three tenants to the Zen peacemakers that I really like. The first tenant is not known. You know, we all have opinions, man, but we don't know the truth. Yeah. Certainty can fuck us up in big ways when we're so damn certain. So not knowing, you know, and then bearing witness. Not knowing, but just bear witness to what's going on.

Starting point is 01:36:15 So Bernie would have these retreats. He would go to Auschwitz, you know, the concentration camps. He would meet with the guards and their family and the prisoners and their family and bear witness for, weeks and just feel you go to Rwanda you know all the places that we don't want to go he would go there and bear witness and let it all come out you know all these different feelings you know yeah and then the third one is the action that comes out of not knowing and bearing witness and out of that comes the appropriate action but you got to do those first things too not be so stuck in your

Starting point is 01:36:54 opinion. You know, we have this, we have this thing, my daughters turn me onto this. I didn't know this term. Confirmation bias. Are you hip to that term? I've heard about it, but I don't even look it up. What does it mean? Well, we confirm our, we spend our lives. Oh, and then we only look at stuff that says that. We spend our lives confirming our biases. You know, we're all biased. We all have these opinion. Right. Oh, yeah. But we say that, see, there you go. There's in that strength. And we get our, these biases become, that aren't, have nothing to do with truth. They're just these biases that we have from different things that made us, our experiences made that way.

Starting point is 01:37:33 But that's not the ultimate truth. That's not what's going on. So we got to acknowledge that we have opinions. Yeah, I could do a better job of staying out of confirmation bias and out of, yeah, I used to get less attached, but now I do feel like I get more attached. And in the end, it's painful to me. It's painful to my spirit. Just getting too attached to like thinking I know something, you know?

Starting point is 01:37:53 Yeah, man. Because, yeah, it's definitely, I mean, yeah, it's all a work. It's all a work in progress. Ain't it though, man. And thank God it is. Yeah. Yeah. What would the opposite?

Starting point is 01:38:05 There's no, works in and shop clothes. Yeah. Before you leave, I want to talk about you, you've been out there with some wolves recently. Oh. Yeah. I know you've been getting involved with wolves out there. and if you can, tell me about the wolves, man.

Starting point is 01:38:24 Yeah. What's going on with it? Because you have a documentary about it? Yeah, there's a documentary about in the company of wolves directed by a wonderful artist. And what's it about politics? No, it's about wolves, man, and about, you know, people are like talking about being afraid of AI, people are afraid of wolves. And we say, get rid of these wolves. You know, we're afraid of them.

Starting point is 01:38:46 Let's get rid of all this stuff. were afraid of. Right. They were the original AI when you think about it. There you go. And in grizzly bears, they're all kind of, I'm a proponent of grizzly bears too. I like them. But this woman, Susan Coucher, we made a film a few years ago called Living in the Future's

Starting point is 01:39:08 past. Good title, huh? Living in the futures past. And that's all about our environment and what we're doing. and how we can look out for our planet and ourselves and our wolves and what makes us, the relationship that we all have with each other. That's what the documentary is about? That's what this documentary is about.

Starting point is 01:39:32 And also, you know, living in the future's past rather than pointing bad, you know, our finger at the oil companies, you know. We're all in this together, man. You know, this is not something to, you know, how, how do we navigate this situation? Yeah. Yeah, how do I try and be the best little rudder, you know? Yeah, there you go.

Starting point is 01:39:54 Yeah, where do I want the world to go? And I think we all basically have this, you know, we all have this love and compassion in us just as much as our, you know, we have our selfishness. Sometimes I think that, but then sometimes I start to think that true evil exists as well because I don't know if one could happen without the other. Do you think that there is some evil out there?

Starting point is 01:40:13 You know, it's, what pops in my mind is this Buddhist thing about relative and absolute realities, you know. I think in the absolute, you know, way, you know, you get out and start looking at the stars and, you know, I don't think there's an objective morality, really, that there's really good and evil. I don't think, but when you get into the relative with each person, oh, yeah, big time. We each have that. So there's these two things going on at the same time. Which is interesting. Don't you think? I mean, what's your perspective?

Starting point is 01:40:50 Yeah, it's a good point. Because sometimes you attach the one-on-one, the personal, right? My morality. Yeah. I attach it to this bigger thing. Well, there's this bigger code of morality in the universe. But maybe if that universe doesn't even have that, I hadn't thought about it like that.

Starting point is 01:41:06 I don't know. Sometimes it's like, I used to feel a lot more like we, It used to feel a little bit more like we had a purpose as a humanity. And then now, right now, I feel like that's kind of the tapestry is looser than it's been in a while for us. Now, I'm sure throughout time, it's gotten very loose for a lot of people. But it feels kind of loose for us right now, a sense of purpose. And that gets kind of, when the tapestry is loose, man. It makes you say, well, what's your purpose?

Starting point is 01:41:37 What is your purpose? Right, right. If we don't have a group purpose as a whole, if you start to, realize that, oh, I thought we were all on the same path. If we're not, then it really makes you start to check them with yourself, which maybe is a thing that we need to be doing, you know. I'm not trying to preach. I'm just thinking out loud.

Starting point is 01:41:50 Yeah, you know, I know what you say. I love to think out loud. I mean, I heard what you're saying, something pops into my mind. The greatest gift that life is given to humanity is that it has no meaning. There is no purpose. That's a gift. Oh, really? Think of that as a gift.

Starting point is 01:42:10 And now what are you going to do? do about that? What do you, how do you fill that, how do you fill that space? What is, you know, what do you, uh, and again is that I keep coming back to that thing about being done as opposed to doing, you know, like there's something going on, man. You know, the AI, AA thing, the higher power, you know, you can't do it by yourself, you know, that's the thing. Oh, I'm tired of trying to do it by myself. Yeah. So what is this, what is this thing asking us of us and to getting cahoots with that? Yeah. And it's not even, do we even have a choice?

Starting point is 01:42:43 We're in cahoots with it, man. You know, maybe our resistance is our choice. How much, you know, but you're being done, man. This is what wants to be done through you. You know, like there's something that wants you to make your choices that's saying, no, I'm not going to do my, you know, my addiction, you know. Right. In you.

Starting point is 01:43:08 There's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I believe that. There's something that wants us to fight for good. Yeah. It's just kind of a natural thing. Yeah. And it's not even a good thing. It's just a thing that's going down, man. You know, we can say it feels good to do it because that feels on purpose. You know, like words have meaning, you know, because they're pointing to something.

Starting point is 01:43:33 But life, does it really have a meaning? Does it mean anything? Right. What does this shit mean, man? Just, you know. Yeah. A word kind of says, this means a chair, yeah, but what does that this really mean? Yeah, life doesn't, there's not really like an alphabet to like all of it.

Starting point is 01:43:53 Yeah. It doesn't really have like a, it doesn't have a language. Yeah. Really? Yeah, it doesn't, yeah. Like if you went in, like, if you went behind the curtain of space, it's not like they're back there with letters and shit. Yeah. You know?

Starting point is 01:44:09 Yeah. Yeah, this is what it's all about, you know. Wow. I don't know. At least we get to be alive, dude, and we get to experience this. And that's pretty cool. Yeah, and as my wife would say, and philosophies. You know, like she calls me, oh, you're a philosopher.

Starting point is 01:44:24 You'll bust my chops. Oh, with fool at the beginning? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, that's accurate, too. Oh, dude, if we all aren't fools, right? Yeah, huh? And thank you, God, for letting me be a fool. The pain of having...

Starting point is 01:44:36 Ah, yeah, letting us hang out as long as screwed up as the whole thing is. letting us hang out for this long on this little speck of dust. And if we knew it, I know. It's a miracle, man. It's mayhem. And if we knew everything, how, how, what a pain it would be. And if we did know everything, here's the craziest part. Say, if you knew it all, who would believe you?

Starting point is 01:44:58 Yeah. You know? Jeffrey, just thanks for all your, just all your commitment to just like, continuing to show up for your acting gigs, however you did it. And to show up for your creativity because it's provided. It's so much entertainment to us. So whatever you did in your life to show up for that stuff, man.

Starting point is 01:45:14 That's cool. Thank you so much. Because it's, I think some stories have helped a lot of us or been a part of our lives. Yeah, man. And if you see Bad Blake, tell him I said,

Starting point is 01:45:23 tell him myself, what's up? I will. Now, can I give you my list? Oh, yeah. Give me your list. I said Lloyd Catler. He's going to be a good one, man. I think you guys would really hit it off.

Starting point is 01:45:32 And he was your stand in. He's been my, and he was also actor. Got it. He would be, I think he would be a, you'd have a good time with him. Okay.

Starting point is 01:45:40 And John Goodwin, who is the guy who wrote most of the songs when I had my, you know, after Crazy Heart, I got, you know, I had my music flared up. I had my music flared up and I, you know, went out and got a band together and we did a lot of John Goodwin tunes. Okay. Bernie is no longer alive, Bernie Glassman, but his wife, Eve Marco, is alive. But she'd be a wonderful guest. She is still very involved with the Zen peacemakers. A guy named Billy Shore. Billy is the head of an organization called Share Our Strength.

Starting point is 01:46:21 I love that title. Okay. And T-Bone, we mentioned T-Bone. He lives in Nashville. He might want to do this show. His wife, Callie Curry, who wrote Thelman Louise, she's got, she'd be interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:35 Who else would be? And if some other ones come up, you can always send us a list. I'll just send it to you, man. That'd probably be easier. Also, on the way out, you'll be able to hear that Suno song. If we can put it in, if rights will be clear to how that works. But we'll let it. I don't have no idea.

Starting point is 01:46:50 It's the first time I ever did anything like this. So I haven't heard about it. Yeah. But we'll put it at the end and see what it thinks of all this. And yeah, man, I just appreciate your time, dude. Yeah. Thank you so much, Jeff Bridges. And Gary's.

Starting point is 01:47:04 Agent, he'll contact you. Okay. Envoices. Yeah. Yeah.

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