This Past Weekend - E282 Suga Sean O'Malley

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

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Today's guest is undefeated in the MMA fighting. He is a one-of-a-kind type of sensation. He's here with his coach Tim Welch, who you'll also hear on the mic in the back. It's exciting to sit down with him. The sugar show himself, Mr. Sean O'Malley. Yeah, but it started for us as having, you know, I was a big Dustin Poirier fan. I still am a big Dustin Poirier fan. And so he, like, he was like the first, like, dream guest that we ever had. I was like, dude, what if we could get Dustin Poirier on? And like, so then eventually he came in. And so then that's how I slowly even started getting into UFC. And then Rogan knew I was a fan. And so he took me to when Dustin and Max Holloway fought. That fight was sick. That was

a crazy night. You were there live? Yeah, bro. That was your first fight ever been to. Yeah. Who's the co-main? Do you remember? Israel and Gastelum, which was crazy. That might be one of the sickest fights ever. But Dustin vs. Mack might be up there too. Oh, it was crazy, man. And I was like, bro, I don't even like, I don't even know what happened to me. I turn like something came out of me. I think this inner part of me that always had been like afraid to fight just came out of me as like a fan. And so then slowly I've like really started to get into the sport more. It's a fucking crazy sport. Dude, I used to be afraid to watch it. Dude, I literally told on my dad, because my mom was watching, or my, I told on my dad, told my mom, because my dad was watching,

I was probably 13, 14. It was a bad thing. I'm like, I thought it was fucked up. Yeah. How do they take those shots to the ribs? You're like, mom, dads, look what dad's doing. I'm like, dad's watching, because I wanted to watch something. And I was like, literally disgusted by bleeding and stuff. And I'm just like, this skinny little fucking kid never thought about fighting at all. Were you, what do your parents do? Are we going? Yeah. Oh, we're good. What do your parents do? My mom, she's retired basically now, but she was a nurse. And my dad was a detective. No. So I growing up was terrified of marijuana. And we lived in Helena, Montana, tiny fucking place. Yeah. And so if anybody was smoking weed, I looked at it like they were doing meth in my head.

Right. Like I was like associating it with the same, same stuff. Yeah, like plant milk. Yeah. So that, my dad was a, obviously fucking love marijuana now, but it was crazy because I just looked at it so bad. And then when I moved to Phoenix, I kind of like, Tim's like, come on, try it, try it. So I tried it. I'm like, Oh, you're a coach. Yeah. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah, I'm a coach. Coach you into a bag right here. But it was because he thought it would be good for me because I'm a fucking spaz. It'd be 10, 10 p.m. We trained twice, five hours. And I'm just like, let's go do something. He's like, shut the fuck up. Take a hit. And I would just take a hit. That's pretty nice. Be able to chill for a little bit. So, but yeah, my dad's a detective.

He's retired now too. He does something. I'm not even sure what the fuck he does now, but did he ever do any murders and stuff like that even? He, he did. Yeah, he did. He was in the, for about 20, I think 20 years. And he told me some fucked up stories. I love murder, bro. Murdered. Like this guy got, he was in a helicopter. And my dad was like, first on the scene, he like completely was splattered all over the, the dash of the helicopter because it ran to a mountain or some shit. But he would tell me some fucked up shit about like him having to interview guys that were raping their daughters that were in wheelchairs. And that's the shit that he was like, I fucking hate this job. That's too much. That's too much. And then, and that wasn't just

like one time. That was like numerous times in a certain situation. Like, just having to face the devil like that. Yeah. Cause you're looking right at that. When we talking to somebody like that, you're looking at the devil. Yeah. Sitting there having those conversations. And then you, and then think like after that conversation, later that day, you're probably running it through your mind and thinking about like, what the fuck? There's people like this. Yeah. Sad. And you see your mom was a nurse. That's a really loving job. I feel like you have to be, it takes a special type of person to be a nurse. Yeah. She was, she was super like caring and loving toward growing up. We had, I have three, there was three boys and then my sister. So yeah, it was, she was super

caring and loving. She still is, she still treats me like I'm fucking six. Yeah. Because the other day, like she still sees me in a certain way, which is really weird. Cause I moved to Phoenix about six years ago and she still looks at me as like, I'm a little, I'm her Shawnee. I'm her little boy. Because she, I told her, don't watch any of my podcasts. Don't watch any of my vlogs. And she watched our last vlog, Road to USC 250. It was like, we put it out before I got the call to fight Eddie and all that. In the beginning episode is Tim was pretending to stand up and give $50,000 stimulus check to everybody. And I went, die motherfucker. And my mom watched the beginning of that and she called me crying. She said, I didn't raise you like that. That's evil

inside of you. And I'm like, reading the comments and everybody was like, oh, sugar and Tim fucking love you guys. I'm like, this is her perspective of that. Like she just sees it so much different. She just still sees me as that little boy. Right. I'm like, this is just comedy. That's this funny stuff. Right. They don't know. Yeah. They don't know sometimes like, uh, yeah, like things that we're joking around about. They don't, like they'll think it's super serious. I like to think like comedy is fun because you can push the buttons and make jokes about stuff that you can't necessarily, you shouldn't almost. Yeah. Well, that's the funnest part. I'm not, dude, I'm not obviously not a comedian, but when Tim and I and JX are hanging out,

we say some fucked up shit. That's like, well, sugar is in the fat chicks. I'm not in the fat. I don't mind a little thickness. You got to have a thing, especially with the look, but the end of time is coming, dude. I don't want to be laying there next to a bone bag, dog. Do you lay in next to some girl that doesn't have any skills, bro? That's the last thing I want. The end of time is coming, bro. And you have to freaking hunt for two. No shit. Might as well get one and two for sure. We're trying to fucking see if there's any way we can score some chicks down here in LA. I'm sure. I've definitely, I've disappointed a lot of women in this town. I'm sure we can help. I'm not, I'm down to disappoint someone tonight. Even if we got to pay 150 bucks.

That's what I'm saying. Like, if it comes down to it, it's like, okay, this chick 200 for an hour, not to fuck, of course. Just a little more size or something. I would hang out. Yeah. Oh yeah, you could find somebody definitely to hang out for sure, man, especially during these times. Yeah, they're desperate. It's extra to have the mask off, though. That's the only thing. I might keep going on just in case. Yeah, it's 50. It's, I know that I'm not joking for a lot of women. It's $50 more for no mask. Wow. So that's where we're at here. Yeah. When you look at, like, I was listening to one of your interviews with, with Ariel, Ariel Helwani, and you talked about, instead of, you said performing and instead of fighting, just in a way, in a sentence you were

using, do you think of it as performing? Do you think of it as like? I do. I think of it as pure entertainment. I've never thought of fighting. I've never been able to like articulate it, how to say it. I never thought of fighting as fighting. I've always thought of it as a sport plus entertainment. And I'm just going to get really good at this skill, which happens to be fighting, punching, kicking, choking, all the skills, and then going perform. And I always in my head have better skillset than this guy. So it's like a performance for me, but it's still fighting. It's hard. It's hard to explain it, but yeah. Oh yeah. Performing. Oh, I could imagine it's hard. Yeah. But yeah, because I'm watching some of your fights and I'm like, yeah, it seems like,

like some guys, you're watching them fight and it's, it's a fight. Yours has this different element where it's like, like, I would watch you sometimes. It seems like whenever you get in the clinch, like it's almost like it bothers you a little because, and there's just my perspective, you know, because it's like, oh, this almost feels looks tacky. Like I want to do the, like it doesn't, you can't be as artistic when you're in some of those environments. Does it feel like that? Or is it? That comes down to strategy for me. I'm usually like longer almost every single time I fight someone, especially in my weight class, I'm going to be longer. I'm going to have the reach advantage. So getting in close and being in the clinch is going to be not necessarily a disadvantage for

me, but it's not necessarily where I want to be. I want to be at range where I can hit people and they can't hit me. If I'm teeping somebody, which is like a front kick to their sternum, if I'm landing that, they can't hit me. If you watch my fights, I throw a lot of fucking teep kicks. Oh, your legs like seem like they got arms in it. I throw as much as my hands. I throw just many kicks. So once we're in the clinch, it gives them an opportunity to grab my hips, get a body lock, take me down. But we've been working on so much Jiu-Jitsu and I'm getting called out by these wrestlers. And I don't read comments and get offended. They're like, oh, you need to fucking fight a wrestler to prove you're real. But I do a lot of Jiu-Jitsu, a lot of ground training. I do

way more grappling than I do anything. So I'm going to fucking choke these motherfuckers. Once I get someone that can actually take me down, I guarantee Jose, the kid I fought before Eddie, his goal, hit Jiu-Jitsu, tattooed across his chest. His goal was to take me down. He was trying to take me down. But if you write it on your chest forever, you better really mean it. But the thing is, is like, these guys think, oh, we got to take them down. Grab. Good luck grabbing a hold of me. My distance and my footwork and my speed is, you know, that's something we work on and understanding where I'm at on the cage. It's not easy to take me down. It's not easy to grab me without getting fucking punched in the jaw or knee or hitting the stomach. So these people that think that

the way to beat me, let's just take them down. That's not a good game plan. Right. And it's because it's not easy. You're like a dangerous water, man. When I'm watching you out there, I'm like, damn, this guy, it's almost like somebody, like you have a puppeteer almost. And the person who's doing it is like, definitely been on some speed balls. They've been up for a couple of days, you know? That's how I feel like when I'm in there, and I've said this in other interviews, like, I feel like I just let go of all thought and everything. And I feel like my higher self takes control of me in there. So I do, I am like a fucking puppet to my higher self and just doing everything that I'm just doing whatever that puppets making me do.

That's probably what it is. Do you feel coachable? Like, do you feel, is it, do you find it's harder to be like, take like pointers from coaches and stuff as you grow? Because I mean, you're like on a, you're literally on like a rocket ship right now. Like, this is a unique time in your life. Does it get, because your own voice gets big, you know, because people tell you it's big and see your, your, your work and it's a, you know, you're, you're undefeated. You're like, okay, I know what I'm doing. And does that make it tough to, to hear coaches as much? Not at all. Because like Tenkino Augusto Mendez is our jiu-jitsu coach who that's who Tim got his black belt under. And he's just won ADCC Worlds last year, which is the biggest grappling

tournament. And he's the best in that weight class, which is my weight class at grappling. I'm never going to out learn him. There's, there's never going to be a time where I'm like, I don't, he can always teach me forever. And then for MMA, it's like Tim and I, Tim knows my style, my striking, my jiu-jitsu better than anyone. He knows it like as well as I know it. So I trust when he says something like, you can see there's new, I've watched all my fights fucking thousands of times. There's moments in the fight where you can hear Tim yell something from the cage and you can see, you'll see me do it the same, what he's yelling in because we have code words for everything. So in the fight, I'm, I'm super coachable. I'm super, I'm trusting in him. Like he sees something

and I know I trust that that's going to work in there and it has so far. But as far as being outside the fight and like, okay, it's time to train. I mean, you could answer that if I'm coachable. I feel like I take, take it well. Yeah, but I'm super fucking smart, you know, and I don't look at and say, Hey, you need to do this. Say, Hey, look at it from this perspective. What do you think? And he's like, Oh, shit, that makes sense. Now I see that a little bit. So he's super fucking coachable for sure. Yeah. What was it like whenever you guys went over to Joe Rogan, I know you're a huge Joe Rogan fan of you, me too. And I remember the first time walking into like his lair. It's like, I feel like for me, I felt like I walked into like, like where they wrote the

Bible and like, but the Bible had like some crazy different chapters, like people were, you know, people were fucking arm wrestling and people were, you know, eating fucking albatross nuggets and just doing wild shit, you know? Yeah, that's how, that's how it was. What was y'all's experience like when you guys went over there? I was nervous as fuck. Me too. I'm like, in the night before I got this Airbnb and I didn't look at it. I'm like, Oh, this is two miles from Rogan's place. I figured it'll be a nice little place. It's some ghetto ass apartment, studio, studio, one bedroom, one bed. And it's like, so Tim and I are fucking sleeping in that bed. And I'm like under the top covers. He's like, it's uncomfortable, just greasy, greasy in the pictures, pictures of the apartment

were up to like the lady and her family that lived in there. And it was just fucking awkward. It wasn't awkward, but it was, it was like weird to be in there because it didn't feel clean. Yeah. And then we, so we got caffeineed up and went into Rogan's and I was fucking nervous. I'm like, I know his podcasts are long, three hours. He's fucking super smart. I feel like half retarded half the time, especially around, you know, I'm like, God, but I felt like it got, it went good. Yeah. At hour two, I feel completely, I feel like one of those people that got molested in the wheelchair, honestly, bro, no offense, but like I feel at hour two, I don't know how he keeps going, man. Yeah. It's impressive. And he never has to get up and pee. I think I,

I don't remember if I got up and peed, but I remember having to pee, but he always just fucking tuffs it out. Yeah. I get afraid to pee in there. Like, I was like, yeah, I was nervous. Like, what do I do to drink it? Like, what do I do? Like, what? Yeah. What's supposed to be? Yeah. What would Joe Rogan do? Yeah. Rogan's the fucking man. It's crazy how, how influential he is nowadays too. Yeah. Sweet though. Like all the guests he have on there, he can have funny ass motherfuckers on there or really, really smart motherfuckers on there or high level athletes and he can relate with all of them and talk and have a good conversation. It's smart, smart motherfucker. It's sweet that we are able to listen to him like that. Oh yeah, man. Yeah. He's so curious. It's

like, um, at a time, it's funny at a time where, uh, where people kind of hurry to make choices and decisions and hurry through everything. It feels like, uh, he goes long form and he's so curious. Like he genuinely like wants to know stuff. Yeah. And I think it helps the rest of us, you know, learn. Yeah. For sure. I've learned a ton listening to his podcast for over the years. Yeah. Even like, I don't know what the fuck, I don't know about politics. I don't know what a Republican, I don't know what a Democratic, I don't know far, I don't know if I, only politics I ever fucking never heard of is from, you know, Rogan's. Yeah. Pretty interesting listening to their perspectives on that. Yeah. When he had Bernie Sanders on, I thought it was real interesting

because I didn't know exactly like, I mean, you hear all these like little clips online and stuff, but to get like a real idea of sitting down and listening to somebody, it just, you get to know them a little better, you know? For sure. I thought I was a lot more real. Yeah. For sure. I think that's how most of those talks should go. Like the important ones, long conversations like that, instead of like they say 30 seconds commercial. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. Do, um, when you see this picture yourself, like we had a picture of you when you were up on Rogan, that was like two years ago. Yeah. Is that interesting to look back at that guy? Does it just seem like the same dude? Yeah. I feel like for me, you should always look a couple of years, a long time to be able

to grow mentally. Um, I feel like I learned because that was right after my fight where I broke my foot. Right. So I was, I was learning a lot at that time. I was kind of, I was on that, I was on that fucking rocket ship that I'm on now. I was blowing up. I won. I won my debut. I just won, won my second fight in the UFC. I broke my foot, got a lot of attention because I fought with a broken foot for three minutes to end up winning. Um, and I don't think. And your suspension came after that? Yeah. Right. Right after July. Fuck. I don't remember that. All that time feels like it was so, um, yeah. I think I got suspended after that, which was another two years out and it was just fucking crazy. That whole, that whole, from the time I broke my foot until that last fight

against Jose was a little over two years and it was just so much. I went through two surgeries, was, was on the Rogan, went through two suspensions. Um, yeah, that was a long two years, but I feel like I learned so much about, about myself. Um, and I'm just like way more grateful for what I had going through all that stuff. Yeah. I could imagine that sitting out and watching everything go on and just thinking, okay, where would I be in this? Would I be in this fight right here? Like, yeah, was there a fighter during that time? You're like, oh, that guy's taking my place. Well, I was supposed to fight, I was supposed to fight El Teco, the kid I knocked out, um, on March 7th. I was supposed to fight him, got suspended and then my suspension was up and then I was supposed to

fight Cheeto and then I got suspended again. So I was like, fuck, watching these guys fight and I'm like, I'm supposed to be fighting these guys, but I did. Like I said, I got those two surgeries, which made me way more of an athlete. Like I felt like I needed those. I had a torn labrum in my hip on both my UFC fights, both my first and second UFC fight, I had the torn labrum. So it was, it was affecting my performance a lot. So I was able to get healthy. Um, and I was able to do a lot of jujitsu, like really commit my entire life to jujitsu and getting good where I was lacking. Like that's where someone was going to beat me two years ago, because if they took me down and they could lay on me now, I don't feel like someone could do that. So I, looking back at it,

it was the best thing that happened. I was able to really commit to jujitsu and get a strength and conditioning program. Um, the fight against Andre, I was walking around 149 pry, like heaviest, 149. The fight against El Teco, I was walking around 157, 158. So I was able to put on a lot of muscle that was like, fucking not just muscle to where I'm like, God, I'm jacked, but muscle in all the right places, my legs, my, everything was, we're, we're training, lifting for MMA. Brandon Harris, my strength and conditioning coach is a fucking man. We like, we were lifting for MMA. So it was perfect. Do you feel, is there a weight that you really feel the best at? Do you feel like you're still learning it? Cause I mean, even at your age, you're still kind of,

your body's still kind of adjusting. I mean, I'm 40, I'm older. So it's like, I, you know, I know that my body kind of goes through some things where, you know, sometimes it feels like, oh, it's pretty hype. And sometimes it feels like, oh, okay, I'm still kind of figuring it out. Yeah. I hired this guy named Dan Garner. He's a nutritionist. We, I just got my shit tested, my piss tested, my saliva tested, jeeps. Got everything tested and figured out what causes inflammation. Would you figure out your fucking high as fuck? I had a fucking shit in this little container and ship it off. I'm like, it was weird. Yeah. But I got all that stuff tested so I can figure out what causes inflammation in my body and what, what foods do really well. So I got my

diet dialed the fucking like perfect. I'm eating perfect in camp and I'm feeling like a fucking machine. It's crazy when you eat perfect, those little injuries that you have in your wrist or your knee or your back's tight, those little injuries go away. They're not there anymore. There's no more inflammation in my body because I'm eating the right food. So with the, my food on point, like my diets fucking perfect, my, what my weight cut was good, the strength and conditioning and then my, my MMA training. I'm like, I'm, everything's at such a high level as far as my coaches that I'm just destined to be fucking great with everyone around me. Right. Being at the perfect package right now. Do you feel, do you feel like, I know you just got off of a fight. Do you,

and I heard you talking about like, you know, you don't have a manager, right? Right. And I don't have a manager, right? Like it's one way that I've just done my own business and there's things that I like about it. There's moments where I get scared where it's kind of like, okay, what do I do in this instance a little bit? Like this is where I would have an extra layer of protection to talk to someone. I don't have to make those calls and stuff. What's that experience kind of been like for you not having one? Yeah, for me, I was like, I think a lot of fighters are fooled. I'm like, you guys can't do this. You guys are, some fighters give 20% of their purse. They make a hundred thousand dollars. They're giving 20,000 to their

manager. Yeah. You know, mine was only 10%. Right. But still I'm like, I'm going to give 10% of my manager because he signed a couple emails. It feels weird, doesn't it? And he negotiated my contract with the UFC when I was the one that was sitting there talking to the UFC and he was sitting next to me, didn't say shit, didn't say a word and I'm sitting there talking. So I had to pay him, you know, a lot of money to get out of the contract, but it was worth it. And as far as dealing with those things, you know, my dad's helped me out a lot. Nice. I have a lawyer to look over contracts. That's perfect. Yeah. And then I have other people that I can hit up if I need to that are in the industry to ask questions. Yeah. That's a big thing is how do I get through

this moment? Like what would you do here? Exactly. So that's nice and just not burning bridges anywhere. Just always having good relationships with so many people to be able to ask. It is nice, but you know, I'm getting messages from other fighters like, Hey, you don't have a manager. What's going on? I'm like, dude, if you can sit down, like I sat down with UFC, Sean Shelby, and we talk, he's like, I, there's some fighters I can't talk to. I have to have that middle person because if I tell him, Hey, you're not worth this. This is why. And they get, Oh, I am. I'm like, okay, I want me and you to sit down and be fair. Talk to me like I'm my my own manager. Don't talk to me like I'm the fighter. Right. Let's be fucking fair. I don't see why that's so

hard. But I know they're trying to pay me the least amount of money to go out there and fight. And I'm trying to make myself the most amount of money. Let's meet in the middle and be fucking fair. And I think we're getting there. I sat down with the UFC after my last fight. We didn't have a written out contract in numbers, but we agreed like, okay, this, this should be fair. So it's, it's getting done. And it feels good to be like knowing I'm in charge of this shit. So it feels good. Who were guys that you can reach out to? Do you feel like like, are there guys out there if you need suggestions as for negotiating the contract? Yeah. Or just, yeah, that kind of stuff. Like, or do you have kind of mentors within the business you feel like? I feel like,

for, for managing sponsorship contracts, I have a couple of people that I'm working with right now without signing a contract with them just so I can ask them, they can help me get contract. But when it comes to just fight, I feel like I haven't had to reach out to anybody. But if I did, I feel like I could reach out to a couple of people. And even if they're like, no, I can't help you. Like even Chale, son, and like this motherfucker knows a lot of shit. I have his number. I've texted him a couple of times. If I was like, I don't know what to do. Maybe I'll ask Chale. The motherfucker knows a lot. I haven't reached out to him personally for anything really yet. And if I have to someday, maybe I will. But even Anthony Smith's in the UFC.

Yeah, he's a great guy. He mess or I was on the phone with him doing a podcast doing their podcast. Hey, if you ever need anything or have any questions, reach out, let me know. Guys like that. And then obviously a bunch of friends at the UFC. But I feel like I'm doing good right now. And I'm taking care of what needs to be taken care of. And if I'm happy with my contract, right, that's a big thing. Yeah, you know, if you're happy or not. Yeah. So I think, and so far, it's going good. Yeah, it's nice. What, what are you been doing in your downtime? Like, say you get off of a fight, like, you know, you got maybe do you guys take a week off? What does that look like? Dude, you guys go to the water slide or something? You guys do water slides?

If I can take a week off, that'd be crazy. My I fucking enjoy training so much. It's part of, it's just part of life. Like why fucking love it mom? A water slide sounds pretty fun. No, but I don't know. It training just part of life. I enjoy, I enjoy it so much. We train. You know, when I'm in camp, I don't smoke. So I enjoyed smoking outside of camp, whether I'm like last Sunday was I got high as shit. You rolled in, have you rolled ghee in jujitsu? Like in the, that butter you mean? No, in a ghee, like the looking pajamas. I know you're talking about. Yeah, I got high as shit. I took a puff off this sativa joint Sunday and we did flow. I flowed for the most part. My shins

fucking bruised as shit and it hurts to even touch. But I did jujitsu. That's probably the most fun practice I've ever had in my life, just flowing in a ghee, going from positions to positions and I just really enjoy training jujitsu. I enjoy hitting mitts and stuff, but we usually hit mitts and really up the striking in camp when we have a fight booked and sparring. I don't really, I don't spar outside of outside of camp. Just pretty much jujitsu and strength and conditioning. But what's your like finishing move? Do you have like a finishing? Oh, I gotta fuck down. I have more finishing techniques than anybody ever because I can stand both stances and do everything from both stances and I have, I have just as much power

in my left hand as my right hand and my like, everything's just the sugar show. Dude, it is, it's fucking sweet and I've had a lot of sweet finishes. I don't know if you've seen the one where I head kick that dude. That one, that one's one of my all time favorite. That's what I was really looking for. I thought I was going to catch Eddie with that because his hands are so low. I thought I was going to catch him with something spinning, but he kind of fights like he's from almost like the 1800s or something. You know, he comes in like he just got off a ship. Yeah. He was the nicest motherfucker too. I legitimately felt bad knocking him out as he was fluttering down. Yeah. Yeah. Does that happen sometimes? Is there times where you get in there

and because sometimes like I'll even notice like just talking to friends of mine who were in the sport. Even just talking to friends of mine who were in the sport. Oh, wow. Yeah. Dropped him with my left hand. Yeah. And that was a couple of years ago, but another walk off. You think he could have gotten you? How you think if they would have given him? He's out. Yeah. Left handed. Dink. You think guys ever pretend to be out? I bet they do. This. Dink. Oh, yeah. No, I killed them basically. No, yeah, they, uh, that I on Kutulaba fight versus mega med. He was kind of acting like he was rocked and then they, they stopped the fight. I believe that. I believe that. It's probably scary getting rocked and you're like, just get me out of here. Yeah. And you can't

climb out of the top, right? That would be sweet. If someone did that, that would be fucking sweet. But you can't do it. Well, they don't put a top on it. No, they, they probably, you know, dequeue you or whatever. But if you're ever getting fucked up, just climb out. I'm dipping. Take abicure. I'm dipping. Now, can you legally climb onto the top and jump off of that? Or you can't? Ooh. See, I don't know if you can't grab inside the fence, but you could kind of run up the cage probably. But, uh, see, that's another finish we got somewhere locked in, like is a cage kick. Like, I know Anthony Pettis hit that on Benson, but he didn't finish him. There hasn't really been any sweet finishes jumping off the cage. Right. And we definitely could, could land something

like that soon. Yeah. Cause I want to know how sweet the sugar show can get. You know what I'm saying? I want to see you make somebody disappear. No, I could probably do that. We're just getting started. Like I'm 25 and, and I got easily another 10 years. Yeah. You know, but the way I eat and the way I train and the way I take care of my body, I'm still going to be, I think 36, 37, 38. I'm still going to be fucking good. Yeah. So I plan on being in this sport for a long time and getting a lot of fucking sweet finishes. So when you're out there, when, whenever you, whenever you get in, into the, into the octagon, do you think about like, are you already kind of thinking about the finish as the fight goes on, if it starts to

feel comfortable, or you start to think like, oh, I can finish this right now, but I'm going to wait a minute. Has that ever kind of happened? Or it's not like that there's too much intensity. Hmm. In that last fight, when I hit him with that body kick, the spinning body kick, I've dropped a lot of people with that. And that motherfucker was so tough. He tried toughening it out. If you get, have you ever been hitting the liver hard? Your body just freezes up, you're like paralyzed, hit me one time, dude. And bro, I still fucking, every time I eat a snicker, my fucking body hurts a little, but he still tried, like after I landed that, I'm, I'm taking this dude out. I knew I was going to take him out. Um, because of that,

that just hitting someone with that shot is so dangerous and so powerful. And I've landed it so many times. And at that point, you start to feel like a hunter at that point. Yeah. I felt like, okay, I'm getting this dude out of here. But I wanted that spin kick. I missed it barely because I hit him with the left body kick deep. And I threw a right, right hook and it landed hard. And then I switched dances and threw a spinning kick. Cause that's what I wanted for the finish. But that's in that moment. I knew I was about to get him out of there. That's why I spun. I tried to take his fucking head off and spun myself around. Um, but I knew I had him hurt. And I did think, okay, how am I going to finish this dude? And that's why I wanted that spin

kick bad, but then it missed. And I was like, I don't want to gas myself out. Just dinked him. Yeah. Do you, um, do you feel like, like what do you, do you think there's something unique about your body type or just like, there's some gift that makes it how you're able to kind of flow the way that you do? Like, where do you think it comes from? Do you think that it just comes from training? Do you think like, what do you really feel like? Yeah, I feel like I was definitely gifted athletically, just being an athlete and being able to move the way I do. Um, I played basketball, football, soccer, baseball, growing up till I was about 16. That's when I started kickboxing. But I think playing all those sports made me like a pretty

good athlete. Um, and then once I started kickboxing, I was never really taught hands up, left it, like how to throw properly. Cause we'd just go and spar. And I would just, I think I would just flow, switch stances, throw shit. And that just became my style, just switching stances and doing stuff like that. And then slowly kind of build in on that. But you know, a lot of coaches were like, no, you can't do that. You're gonna, you're gonna get beat up, you're gonna get knocked out, put your hands up. I've been told that literally since I started fighting, right? Like some people get mad at me, put your fucking hands up while I'm sparring. But you like to do it your way. But I'm like, I ain't

getting hit. My hands are, these 16 ounce gloves are too fucking heavy for my little last arms to pull out. I want to keep them down low. And that's just kind of how I've developed my style and it's worked out. And then I think, um, the work I put in is not just fucking hard work, but I work smart. I have a hot tub at home, a cold plunge at home, a sauna at home, a mat room where I can stretch a foam roll. I have all these tools to where I can recover and, and, and eat perfect. And then I can go train hard the next day. And if I don't, if I don't feel like I can train hard, I'll take that day off. And, and I think Michael Bisbing's coach said, uh, it takes confidence to take a day off. Cause when you have a fight coming up,

that you're thinking, fuck, I gotta get in shape for that fight. I can't take the day off. Right. And that's where a lot of people get hurt. Um, but I feel like there's a way to properly rest. I'm so in tune with my body. I know what it needs to do. I know if I need to rest. I know if I can push. Um, so I think that, that helps me get that confidence to get in the cage and get into that flow state where I'm just purely confident. Do you feel like in y'alls, uh, I know we were talking about kind of like moving weight and stuff. Is there anybody that's kind of like retired or anything that you, whenever you, over the past few years, you're like, Oh fuck, I was hoping maybe somewhere in the back of my head

one day to get to fight that guy. I think, I think Henry will, uh, I think that'll be a fight someday. It could be a big fight. So who do the Caballero on? Yeah. Um, I think that could be a big fight someday. He got really offended. I don't know if you've seen my comment after my fight. They asked me about him retiring about his girlfriend. You mean I said he's 30. You got his first girlfriend. He got really, that's stung him. Really? He posted on his Instagram. He went on Joe Rogues. Let's talk about Sean O'Malley. Like got a, so that poked at him. So if someone's that insecure and easy to poke at, he's going to want to fight me. Right.

But if he's smart, he probably won't because he, he said, well, he needs to work on his wrestling and jujitsu. I guess his jujitsu is getting pretty good. That's what he said on Rogues. But like I'm telling you, people think, Oh, let's just take him down. I'm going to choke them or I'm going to, I'm going to do, I'm going to submit them or I'm going to get back up. It's not going to be, it's not going to be like they grabbed me, take me down and the fight's over. Right. I'm going to either get back up or I'm going to choke them off my back elbow them. It's not going to, I can, I can scrap. I can get scrappy down there. So that could be a big fight someday. I don't think he's done. I think he's, you know, if you're in your prime for, I don't

know, it's for me, if I'm in my prime, it's hard to put yourself in that position because he's done so much. Do you retire as the king or do you, because I heard you talk about this, like you'd like to just keep going until. I'd almost rather lose and be like, I, I try, I gave him everything instead of no, I'm too insecure. My ego's too big to lose. What do you think is a weakness in his game? I mean, I mean, his, that's him. He's the highest level you get. That's, that's a high level black belt MMA fighter. He can box, he can wrestle. I don't know about his jiu-jitsu, but when you're wrestling that high level, he doesn't almost need that much jiu-jitsu. If he gets the takedown, he can control on the top, posture up, ground to pound. He's, he's fucking really, really good.

He's definitely the best banthan weight and then he retired obviously. Was Cruz's last fight or he had one more after that? Yeah. No, Cruz was the last one. Yeah, Cruz. Do you think that would be a fight for you, Naomi? Do you think that? I think I'd knock Cruz out too. I think his style, I just, I feel like I'd knock him all out, so it's hard to say, but yeah. But if you had your choice, like say it's, you know, you get up in the morning, you have a full

day of knocking people out. Okay. Who do you knock out for breakfast? Who do you knock out for lunch and who do you knock out for that tasty late meal? I'd probably throw a fourth one in there too, because I get snacky when I get high. So I'd knock out Cody for breakfast. Okay. Get my blood moving. Okay. I'd probably knock out TJ after that. Oh, wow. Just like a little brunch. Yeah. Then I'd knock out Dominic and then I'd knee Henry in the face while he's shooting.

So I'd probably just do those four and then call it and then probably call out Conor. Wow. Yeah. Just for midnight. Just for fun. And then Habib. No, fuck that. I wouldn't fight Habib. Fuck that. Habib's crazy, huh?

I don't want none of that. Now, when you see a guy like Habib fight, I mean, he's, you know, one thing that, you know, whenever he was fighting, whenever him and Dustin fought, I almost wish that, and this is, look, I admit I'm a newcomer to the sport, but I almost wish that for a certain amount of the fight they had to be on their feet and then a certain amount of the fight that they didn't have to be, they couldn't be. Right. That'd be interesting. No, yeah, because that changes the whole game. Dustin could, Dustin's got some of the best

boxing in the UFC. He's got really good fucking hands. He's got a sweet fight coming up versus Dan Hooker. Yeah, that's going to be a great fight, man. But yeah, when you fight Habib, it's hard, dude. It's just such a, it's like wearing like, you know that blanket they sell you on the internet all the time? It weighs like 80 pounds or something. Yeah. And it won't leave you alone.

Yeah, it's like somebody bought you seven of those for Christmas, dude. Yeah, that would be a, yeah, that would be a tough fight to even prepare for and just, I don't know. Yeah, it's almost like you just have to hide yourself under a bunch of rocks and then just fucking. Yeah, just, yeah, that'd be a good way to train for it. Lander, a bunch of rock and crack is getting up. Fuck, dude. Yeah, that's a tough fight. I was, he almost had that guillotine.

That guillotine was tight. Habib even said that was fucking tight. Could you imagine if he would have finished that? That would have been legendary. That would have been insane. But I do think Justin Gaichi does have a, has a pretty good chance against him compared to the, you know, the rest of guys Habib's fought as far as their wrestling accolades. Like Justin could definitely give him a fucking fight. Yeah. Have you watched much of him?

I haven't watched a ton of him. I've watched maybe three of his fights. Just like the recent, the recent ones? Yeah, I guess let me think. The one with Tony you probably watched. Yep, I definitely watched that one. That was unbelievable. Dude, that's the only fight you gotta watch to fucking love Justin Gaichi. And I loved, you know what, I actually love, it made me really love both of them really.

Yeah. Because it made me respect Tony at like a, just watching these guys, like you're talking to a guy like my big thing when I was young was kind of getting my ass beat. Yeah, that's sick though. That's cool. Dude, it is pretty cool. I like so. Dude, like I almost, even when you, when you were coming today, I was like,

man, I almost want him to fucking knock me out. Boom, hit you with some shit. Yeah. Just so I could like be a part of it. That would be fun. We could spar, because I sparred this kid from Canada. I flew him down. He was one of my Twitch subscribers and we sparred.

We did three threes. Tim was the ref and it's on my, it's on my YouTube. It's fucking hilarious because he was never, he always talks shit to me, but like in a friendly way, but, and it was just fun as shit. But he started jujitsu after that and he stayed consistent, which is cool. That's awesome. But it was a perfect, like I obviously know my, know my control and uh, yeah, we did it at the lab.

So I didn't beat him up bad to where he left like hurt, but like he was puking, tired and just like, wow. It was, it was one of the, it, it was my favorite fight I've ever been in. It was so fucking funny. I think Theo might catch you though, might put you sleep. Yeah, Theo might catch me with the right hand. Yeah, I would probably use my legs more. No, but we should.

That would be a fucking good ass video and it would be fun. It's good for, I would like to learn that because it feels almost to see what that's like. Like, um, one thing that, that, that was awesome. The first time that Dustin came on, he was talking about, like whenever you go through a fight, like whenever you get through a fight, like win or lose, like you learn, there's like, you learn something about yourself at like a, at a level that we can't really duplicate.

Unless it's that, unless it's that, dude. I agree 100% that and weight cuts. I think everyone should go through a weight cut and a fist fight, like kickboxing fight. Yeah. The weight cuts are so, it's crazy what goes through your mind when you, those last couple of days. It looks kind of Native American, doesn't it?

What do you mean? Like I feel like the weight cuts, like I feel like when you get to those last couple of pounds. I mean, dude, I almost, I didn't need for six days once and I almost fucking ate a dude at Best Buy. Yeah, I almost fucking bit into it, dude. Just on purpose, fasting? All right, what? Yeah.

I almost bit into a fucking guy at Best Buy. I believe it. You get crazy, a beautiful guy. A beautiful, yeah. I mean, you've looked fucking, like you start to think of a dude, like if the power went out, this dude's gonna die. Yeah, he's dead. Especially if you know some jiu-jitsu.

Then you get that real confidence, like I could kill you and eat you. That's what's so powerful about jiu-jitsu is you know you're in the, if you know you're in a fucking place and you got to eat, you can kill them, eat them. Right, yeah, you have that new skill. Yeah, because otherwise I got to like convince people. Hit them with the fucking bat or something. Yeah, I got to sneak up, I got to poison them. As long as you just learn a rear naked choke, a good clean one,

and you can sneak up on anybody and eat them. Yeah, but those last few days through a wake cut, like Thursday morning, I wake up and I'm like, all right, today's gonna suck. Yeah. Damn, you're no water and hardly any food. But then you also, what goes through my mind also is like, there's like the people who suffer way worse in other countries, like that don't have food or water.

Like I can go shower, a clean water, and people don't have that. So it's always a good perspective to remind yourself like, okay, life's still fucking good. You can look at pictures of food on your phone. Yeah, you can be great. Just being grateful for the things that we still have. But that's what's so good about those wake cuts is it can really show you, like teach you a lot.

And it's also like, it's really, I never thought about this, but it's kind of like a, it's like almost a red carpet up to the fight. It almost, it's like a respect, because they're doing it as well. Yeah. So it's like, both of you guys are kind of like, we're gonna condition ourselves for this war we're about to go into. Fuck yeah. And the thing about wake cutting too is like,

if this guy doesn't know, if he's not eating perfect like I am, and he's not doing exactly what he needs to do, like I got that shit down to a science. I'm doing everything perfect. And this guy's not, that's an advantage for me going into the fight. Yeah. And I feel like, if I feel like whoever I'm fighting is not gonna be doing the exact thing that I'm doing. And I feel like I'm always gonna have a little advantage there.

So it's a good mentally going into the fight too. Especially some guys like, we'll weigh in. We'll weigh in before that fight when I fought Jose. We weighed in. Can we take Cunieres? Is that his name? Cuniones. Yeah, Jose Cuniones.

We walked past the buffet or whatever. And these fighters just weighed in like an hour ago, and they're eating French toast and syrup and just a bunch of shit. That's gonna just fuck you up. It's probably fucking Brendan, dude. Anybody. Brendan. He probably did that shit.

Oh, Brendan. Definitely way, dude. Bro, at least one time, he fucking showed me a rare stick of butter he got from someone. And it's pocket. From another country. It ejects us out. Yeah, yeah. That's fucking sweet.

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Let's get into it right here. This beautiful white right here. Whoa, bunch of beautiful whites. Yeah. So boys, Brady from Asheville, North Carolina. Originally from Montana, 406. Sean, my question for you is with Tim being your best friend and your head coach, do you ever find it difficult

knowing when to turn off one of those relationships and have him be just your coach or just your best friend? So I got gang, gang, buzz, buzz. Gang, bro. Gang, gang. Yeah, that's a good question. I actually get asked that quite a bit. And I feel like even when it's coaching,

we're still fucking around. But we know when it's a serious, hey, this, I don't know. I feel like we've never had an issue with that to where it's like, hey, I'm coaching right now. We always know like the goal is world champ. I want to be the best ever. So.

And both of you guys have the same goal. And we have that goal in mind. So we know when to fuck around and when to turn it off and train. And we've never had an issue with that. Tim, now let's hear your side of it. Yeah, same shit. As soon as we get in the gym and it's time to work, we're there to fucking work.

We still fuck around. But like I said, that's the main goal is to be world champ. So once it's time to get that session done, we get it done. Yeah. Recently, like obviously, I was watching some of your interviews and stuff and there's times in it where I'm like, oh, Sean's very confident. And then I'm like, Sean is very flamboyant.

He's like, he's a show. They call it the sugar show. And I start to get like, OK, I kind of see what's going on here. Sometimes you say stuff and I'm like, Jesus, I can't believe you fucking said that. Like I go through all these range of emotions when I'm watching your interviews. Right?

Do you know like, do you start to, and I noticed this myself as I started to get more popularity. Like your ego is a thing that lives inside of you. And it's kind of scary sometimes because it's like, OK, what's confidence, what's ego, when do I kind of turn one on and turn, do you notice some of that inside of yourself? Yeah, when I wear my sugar chain, sugar's out. That's my ego.

I know when I need to do, well, I got the gym. I want people to treat me as Sean. I got this. And I feel like I do a really good job about turning that off and not being in my head like, I'm sugar. I'm the man. I'm the fucking, I knock people out. When I do interviews, I kind of just, I just,

I feel like when the confidence, the confidence is real, it's true. I think people can tell when someone's really confident, when they're trying to fake it. That's probably my ego too, but it's almost in a healthy way. Well, you need, I feel like you need that if you want to get to the level that you want to get to. Because it seems like you not only want to be a champion,

you want to be a, I want to be one of the best to ever fight. Like I think, and I think with my athletic ability and my skill set that's constantly improving, I'm going to be, I can definitely get there. I think, yeah, and it's always a battle ego and your true self. And being like, when I'm at home with Danny, my girl, our relationship is so good. And it's like, it's me, it's Sean and Danny.

And if it's sugar and Danny, it collides almost in a way. It's hard to, it's hard to talk about the ego too. You know, it's hard to talk about, look, it's interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. But, and then we listen to guys like Eckhart Tolle and fucking Ryan Holiday, the Stoic books. And who's the awareness guy? Oh, Anthony D'Amelo.

Anthony D'Amelo. And just listening to fucking these smart guys talk about, and talk about happiness and what's true happiness and stuff like that. It's a trip to think about my ego and then my real self, my true self almost, and understanding that I have an ego and I can't be, I can't get stuck in that ego. After the fight, I got to come back to Sean when I'm home. When I'm at home with my dogs and Danny, I got to be Sean.

I can't constantly be that ego. You get lost in that fucking world. You get lost in your ego and then you're never yourself. And then it's like harder to bring back, hard to come back to your true self. So I feel like I do good about mixing it up and knowing when to be sugar and knowing when to be Sean. Sugar's next. So sugar's obviously, you know, like there's a couple of ways

you could kind of do the next couple of years of your life, you know. And, you know, you could go kind of, I bet if they wanted to, they would offer you, yeah, you want to fight, you know, you'd have a bunch of guys that might be pissed. Yeah. But if you want to fight straight up, you know, if you want to go, you know, and get closer to the top and have a chance at the, at the strap now, or it's like, do you want to take your way up?

Like what do you, what do you feel like is truly going to be best for you? There's, you know, UFC is a business, a really, really smart, intelligent business. And I'm a fucking star in the making. Like it's clear the audience is attracted to what I have to put out. And I'm a high level performer. So they got to build me like a business like they did Connor. But me as a fighter, I'm like, I can like fight. I feel like I'm the best.

I can fight anybody and beat them. So we got to just kind of figure out what's next, take smart fights. But also like, I found Eddie Weinlein, he's not an easy fight. Like some people say, oh, they're giving you bums. Eddie Weinlein is not a fucking bum at all. Eddie Weinlein will beat all of our fucking dads asses. Exactly. Eddie Weinlein is a bad motherfucker.

So they're not giving me fights. Jose Quignones was like six and one in the UFC. He wasn't an easy fight. Right. So I see people on there saying they give me easy fights and stuff. But I think the UFC is going to build me smart. And my next fight is going to be another tougher fight than Eddie. But not super.

Because realistically fighting anybody in the top 10 is a tough fucking fight for me. I'm not going to go out there and smoke anyone. Yeah. This is the top 10 in the world in the weight class. So no fights. Easy. Especially when you go with those fucking little gloves and people throw bombs. Yeah.

So any fights, not a give me fight. But I think they're going to try to do it smart. Build me up smart. That's what they're going to try to do. What would you try to do? I think like a businessman too. I know I'm only in the sport for, you know, 10 years can sound like a long time. But once it's over, I'm like, fuck, did I do that right?

I want to look back and go, I did that right. I'm getting called out by a lot of wrestlers. And I feel, oh my God, I want to fight these motherfuckers. Like what do you mean like wrestlers? Guys that literally want to grab my legs, hold me down and not fight. Like Murab, that kid that just fought last weekend. Oh, I think men like fucking wrestlers do from the WWE. I think you meant like real wrestlers.

No, no, no. Guys that are like scared to fight, but love to grapple and wrestle. Just this hermit crab kind of dude. Yeah. And it's a risky fight for me to take because... It doesn't cater to your strong suits. It definitely doesn't. It doesn't cater to what you like to do.

Yeah. I like knock people out. But I, like I'm, when I think of myself as a, I feel like I'm really good at jujitsu, it's a risky fight taken against someone that literally will take you down and hold you there. Yeah. It's not... It's almost like they're lonely kind of. Yeah.

It's not what the people want to see. It's not, you know, but once I'm champ, I'll take all those motherfuckers on. Like it doesn't matter. I am champ. I have to fight who's next. But to get to the champ, let's take the smarter fights. And I know a lot of people are going to be like, that's fucked up. You're pussy.

But definitely, you know. But it's a business and everybody gets to do the business. It's not like they don't, like everybody, like, like you have some different path and like you have your own path, but everybody's in the same business. I'm still fighting these guys in the UFC that are going to be like... Of course. So, and I think a lot of the people get jealous. Like the guys are like, oh, you're picking fights.

We're not picking fights. It's just, I'm not going to fight someone that's boring that no one gives a fuck about. When no one wants to see me fight, we're going to, you know what I mean? We're going to make a smart choice. Yeah. We got to make a smart choice. It's a business. What do you think, Tim?

Yeah. Same thing, dude. You want to fight a guy who literally just kind of wants to dry hump on you and pump on you and try to win the rounds by 10-9? Or do you want to fight a guy, if we fight a wrestler who comes in there and wants to take him down and beat the fuck out of him? Hell yeah. Like a Habib style, like Ground and Pound, like, but some of these guys literally just lay

on people. Oh yeah. They're perverts almost. Yeah. They should get charged. You know what I mean? Yeah. Some of this shit is just like...

Just like, that's gay. Nothing wrong with gay. No, but let's don't be, let's don't be gay while we're in these rounds. Exactly. It's hard if we have to. I agree with that. But don't waste the clock time. Exactly.

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I saw you talk about this before. But I'm a fan, dude. I think it's almost fascinating, and I know the question is for you, but I just stole it. But I think it's just, the dude's fascinating, bro. Like when he said he was going to be on it at midnight, I fucking showed up. Dude, I was there. I was there. I'm a fan, too, but then people like, oh, I don't pay attention to who he snitched on,

what he was in jail for. I don't give a fuck. I just think his music hype. We're going to the gym, or we're fucking, we're getting hype. I'm throwing on some six-nine guba. Yeah. Did you ever watch the music video with Nicki Minaj? Watched that a couple of times already.

Do you see that yet? Yeah, I saw it twice, dude. Let's talk to us. But yeah, I'm a fan of his, he's a character. Yes. That is, his character is working, and about the hair, before we even knew six-nine, like my debut, we talked about, hey, let's do my hair like crazy. And I kind of wanted to establish my name in the UFC, get it, you know, show that I'm

for real. And then, so the hair was definitely a little bit inspired, but I'm like, dude, his hair looks sick. It looks fucking crazy. Yeah, he's a fucking character. I want to be a character. I want people to be like, what the, if they've never seen fighting, I want them to look at the screen and be like, oh, what the fuck?

I want to watch this guy fight. Right. He got crazy hair, he's tall as shit, skinny. Well, you have to stand out, especially if you want to. I mean, it's interesting to watch what you guys do in y'all's business. Like, it's definitely changed over the past few years, I think, with guys calling each other out more, like becoming characters. Like, everything in the world has kind of become, you know, we talk about it a lot, that everything's

kind of become like the WWE a little bit. Yeah, fuck yeah. Like politicians, everybody, it's all about just sound bites and how can I, how can I rise out of whatever's going on and be seen, really? Absolutely. Yeah. And it definitely seems like you do that. Do you think you'll have a different hairstyle?

Like, do you have other plans for like, for future balance? Yeah, I think we're going to continue with the, like, doing different colors of my hair. Danny, my girl does hair, so she did all this. So, and she, we got a bunch of different colors, so we'll play around with it. Maybe, I was thinking, like, whoever I fight next, wearing their flag color hair. Oh, that'd be dope. Just to peck at him. Like, when I fought Jose, I like to say things that are going to nudge at him.

When I fought Jose, I said, we'll see who's more Mexican, and he got pissed. But then I get people saying, you're racist, like, my girl's fucking Mexican. But just saying little things that are going to fire people up, because if I can get someone emotional to fight me, they're going to come forward like Jose did, they're going to come forward like Eddie didn't want to take my head off, and that's not a good game plan. You're going to get knocked out doing that. So if I can get someone emotional and want to really just hit me, that's good. Because do you respond, like, say if somebody did that to you, you don't respond to it the

same way? I don't take anything personally. Right. Like, I know, I understand that. Like, you could say, I fucked your mom a bit. Cool. Like, you could tell it to somebody a bit, my mom! Yeah, my mom fucked at least probably five people.

Everybody's mom did. Yeah, exactly. But just not taking anything personally. Right. Yeah, because it's interesting, because she's so, that's what, okay. So to you, it's like... It's a game. It's a show.

It's a show. It's a fucking, it's sugar. Yeah. But I'm showing in a way where I'm always kind of shown, but I'm not going to take it personally. Right. It's going to be, if I take it personally, that's going to affect how I fight. I might fight emotionally. Right.

I don't fight emotionally. I fight calm. Yeah. Very calm. And I feel like the more calm I can be, the more dangerous I am. So if someone says something and I get personal about it, I think it could change how I fight. It definitely changes how people fight me. Oh, for sure.

I feel like that's how most fights start, like if you're just in regular human interaction, like at a bar or post office or whatever, most people fight because somebody gets fucking pissed. Emotional. Yeah. And guys like Cody Garbrandt who get mad if you sneeze next to him, it's like, holy shit, that's too easy. Yeah.

Like I'm sure he's already just at home just wanting to fight me. Do you think that for him, it might be the fight to take? Do you feel like... No. I don't think that's a good fight for him. He needs another fight. He needs, he's still on his comeback. I'm ranked number 15, the rankings are pretty much pretty stupid, like as far as who gets

title fights and stuff. I'm ranked number 15, he's just beat number two or three or whatever. So he's probably not going to fight me. It's a lose-lose. He beats me. People are like, oh, you beat the number 15. He gets knocked out. Obviously that's not a win for him.

So I think that's going to be a big pay-per-view fight someday. Right. Like I think that's going to be a big fight someday. If you were to jump out, say you were able to get out, like if you were out of the weight class, if you would get into another class, who's somebody that you would really love to go at? The higher up you get, the more scary those motherfuckers get. Oh, it gets scary.

Dude, I get scared to even read a lot of these charts. Yeah. I can't read them for them trying to go to sleep. Like the 55 division right there in 77 and even 85 or 70 and 85, those divisions are so scary. Those humans are so athletic and powerful and their skill levels, their high level MMA fighters too. So I definitely wouldn't want to fight any of them.

I love when guys like Henry Sohoot is like, I'm the baddest motherfucker on the world. I'm like, you're 5'3, dude. You ain't that bad. Like you're good for your weight class, but dude, you're not fucking up Francis. Do you? Francis will fuck you. He's like, snack, dude. We'll nug it.

Do you think, do you think, fuck, do you think that like your confidence comes from a certain place? Did you always have that? I think the confidence that I have carrying into the cage comes from when I know I have that foot, that fight booked to the fight day, I'm doing everything right from like I talk about my nutrition, my sleep, my sleep's on point. You're locked in. My training.

I'm locked the fucking. So I'm doing everything right. So when I'm in that backstage, I'm not nervous. I don't feel any nerves. Yeah. I'm calm. I'm chilling. I tried to go out there and perform because I knew, no, I did everything right, but there's

times where, you know, like my last two fights, I didn't really have any injuries, which was very important. Going into a fight with an injury could definitely fuck with that confidence. Right. Like, I don't know. I haven't really had to go into a fight. With an injury yet? Yeah.

Besides, I had a torn labrum when I fought those two guys, but I was still able to train. It didn't affect me as much until after because the labrums tear, they tear, tear, tear, tear, or to the point where I needed surgery. So yeah, going into the fight, just knowing I'm doing everything right. But even when I was 16, when I first started, for some reason, I thought I was going to knock these guys out. Wow. And I was just a little skinny kid.

Like, yeah, that's a difference between you and people that don't like to fight. Like if I've ever gotten into a fight, it's been like, fuck, I'm not going to knock this guy out. Like, Jesus, how do I, how do I make this end? I don't think I just flinched out of my nose. No shit. That's a good point, bro. I hit him with that hard fucking dirty flinch, dude.

That's true. If I fucking hide somebody up under my mouth. Well, imagine if you just rolled out one day deal with your hair rainbow colored. How are you? Just freak. We're going to do something special around the holidays, I think. That would be sick. We've thought about doing something seasonal.

Fuck. Maybe a Thanksgiving or kind of a turkey, kind of motif or cut. That would be sweet. That'd be cool. We got a question right here from a young man who took his shirt off. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. Hope he has an accent.

Hey, Phil. It's Daniel from London. I got a question here for Sugar. If you had a choice, what would you be? The best UFC fighter in the world or the best Fortnite player in the world? Come on off the ounce of that. Gang bang, birds, birds. Gang bang, bye-bye.

Good question. Yeah, I used to play a lot of fucking Fortnite. You ever play that? My nephews play. Yeah, I've seen them play. I don't play it too much anymore. I play more Call of Duty now or only Call of Duty now. But definitely, I get asked that, like, if you could stream and make more money, would

you do that? Fighting's what I truly, truly love to do in performing, just being on that. If I could fucking sing or rap or do anything and perform, I fucking want to do it. I crave that. So definitely fighting. It's fun, huh? I love performing. It's sweet.

And when I was growing up, I literally remember telling my friends, I'm going to be famous. They're like, what? How? I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to be famous. That's why I wanted to be, probably because I was insecure, that's probably what it came from.

Like, I want people to like me. Right. Yeah. But I always want to... The studio. So yeah. Oh, I know my house. That's a sick pic of me.

That's a sick pic of me. Hey, you want to watch my fight? Oh, yeah. I'm always asking Danny. But what was I saying? Oh, yeah, performing. I just love performing. And it's...

I don't remember if I was going to say something sick, though. Yeah. It was going to be sweet. It was going to be fun. Yeah, we got a question right here from a guy. Open your eyes, fella. Hey, Sean. Hey, Theo.

My question is, we've seen a lot of fighters struggle in the day-to-day basis in terms of finance. You know, the cost of living going up by year, food, medical, petrol, training, housing. My question to you is, should there be a fighter's using to help with the financial side of it? You know, help you load two fighters. We've seen a few weeks ago, Brandon Royal saying he has to work a second job. A second job. And he's in the UFC.

Should a UFC fighter be having a second job? My question is, what the fuck size is that bed? I don't know how it... Does he really sleep on it? It is a small bed, aren't we? Yeah. Is it a toy? Yeah, look how...

He's going across. It looks like the pan, baby. Yeah. That is a very lean bed. This could be the oldest baby I've ever seen. Fighters pay. It's weird when you look at other sports making how much money compared to professionals fighters.

I mean, I don't obviously know how much UFC's making, how much Dana's making, and how much we're making. And it's not that much compared to other athletes. But a guy like Brandon Royal just won his fight. That's at least $20,000, and he has to go work a second job. That's his choice. He can quit. $20,000 will last you a couple of months.

Get really good. Get another fight. Book another fight. Perform. Make another win. And you don't have to work. Unless you don't... Maybe as kids and shit, I don't know about, but it depends how bad you want it at the

end of the day. I don't even like talking about the money when I did talk about it and bring it up because I wanted the UFC to know I need to renegotiate. Right. And I'm going to bring it up unless we get to. Yeah. But even if you don't compare it to the other athletes that are making so much money and make, damn, I made 80 Gs last fight?

Yeah. That's a lot of fucking money. Maybe not compared to the 100 mil of that MLB guy I just got for fucking swinging a baseball bat. But it's still like, we make a lot of money compared to people that work nine to fives and rush it like that. And it's more dangerous, so I don't know. It's tough to say.

But it's really dangerous. I mean, I feel like it's about to change. Hopefully. Do you get that feeling, Nick, that it's about to change, that you guys are about to start getting paid more? You guys? I'm not one of them. Are you?

Sorry. I'm sorry, man. I just know Nick loves the sport. But yeah, I just don't see a union ever happening because for guys, the most influential guys in the sport like Sean and Connor and John, it doesn't make sense. It kind of puts a cap on what they can make. It really only helps those lower tier guys and it's easy for me to say, but yeah, fighting is kind of a choice.

No one's guaranteeing you a living. The pay-per-view, the way it works is like the champ and whoever they're fighting get the pay-per-view. So people ask me, oh, you can be on a Connor pay-per-view, you're going to get that money. I don't get any extra if I'm on a Connor pay-per-view or any pay-per-view for that matter unless I'm the champ or unless I'm the main event in the main event. So in my position, I think I'm going to do fine. I'm never really going to have to worry about paying me more because I think I'm going to

be able to... Once I'm in that main event spot, that's where I'm going to fight. I'm never going to go from the main event down to not main event with the hype that I'm going to bring to these fights. I want to sell these fights, these pay-per-views, say the right things. It's fun as fuck. Chail Sonnen was the man on it, Connor was the man on it, and it's doable. So I think once I do get in those spots, I think we're going to be able to sell good

pay-per-views, especially fighting like Cody Garbant, who's another star-ish. Like it takes two people to build a big pay-per-view, and I think I'm going to get there, and it'll be good. The money will be good. Are there guys that are below you in the rankings and stuff that you look at and you're like, damn, this guy is a straight up, or anybody you're even hearing about, this guy's a real fucking... Problem?

Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely guys in the division, Bandit Ways Division is the most stacked division in the UFC right now. I feel like from one to ten, it's so fucking stacked. How confident I am, it doesn't mean I'm going to... I don't see them as they suck. I'm not like, this is going to be easy. I feel like I'm going to be able to show up that night and outperform them.

That's how I feel about everybody. But none of those guys are easy fights at all. I didn't think Eddie was necessarily an easy fight. I was just super confident that I'm going to show up that night and perform better than him. So looking at the division, there's a ton of guys, I'm like, whew, that's a tough fight, but I'll probably still knock them out. That's what's going through my mind.

You have to think that. I mean, that's the only thing you really can think is that you're going to win. So sometimes it's like, yeah, for people that come on you about your ego and stuff like that or come on you and say, man, he sounds really confident or trash talk. What else? I mean, I guess there's maybe ways to phrase things, but if I'm walking into a fight, I'm not thinking, fuck, I hope we both do well. A lot of guys aren't, a lot of guys, you know, I feel like I built this skill set of working

my mind to thinking that way. And I don't think a lot of people can, a lot of fighters can go into fights, think in the way I think. It's a skill that I've built up and I've practiced. I've had over 30 fights too, and I've done a lot of mental work, you know, even just meditation and stuff like that and my breath work and stuff like that. I can kind of make my thoughts like that. Some fighters are in the back.

You heard Donald Soroni talking about it. He's fucking terrified. You hear Chail Sun and saying, he's not the only one. I think, oh, I think 95% of the guys that are going into fights are terrified and aren't thinking I'm going to fuck this dude up. I think I think like that because I know how to work my mind and know how to have those thoughts pop up and navigate where my thoughts go. So I think it's a skill set.

It's interesting to hear you say that, man, yeah, because then you get into the fight and you're like, okay, how am I going to, it's more like how am I going to do this than what's going to happen? Right. Like if you walk into the fight like shit, I don't know what's going to happen here. That's a different approach to something than, man, I know what's going to happen here. I just have to find exactly how I'm going to get it done. Yeah.

I kind of let go of all thought when it comes down to how the fight's going to play out. I just trust my higher self that I'm going to go in there and do what I need to do. Okay. But a lot of fighters, even myself before, like before I even really got new C, you would be like, how's the fight going to go out? Oh shit. Like what if he fucking drops me? What if this, what if that?

I don't let myself even get there. Wow. I'm like, okay, we're going to go in there. I'm healthy. I'm in shape and my skill sets high. My skill set versus his skill set, like for when I fought A, I knew my striking was high, more high level. If you just watch it from not thinking about, okay, I'm me, just watching it like this skill

versus I'm better. Right. And I knew I was going to show up. So if my skill sets better and I know I'm going to show up, you can't beat me. But there's always that one punch and I always say that because I know I'm not stupid. I'm not, I'm still realistic. There's that one shot that could put your lights out. But if I take myself out of it and just look at the skill set versus skill set, even like

if you want to use Cody, for example, I feel like his skill set versus my skill set, I'm better. My striking's better and I fucking show up. He seems to show up, sometimes shows up emotional. Last fight he looked better than he did ever and he got the job done, still he has that fucking right hand that he dips into and throws. But when I take myself out of it and look at skill set versus skill set, it makes it easier because I truly believe my skill set is so high to where I can be like, oh, okay.

If I show up, I'm going to be good, so I'm not going to overthink the fight. I'm not going to say, oh, I need, hopefully this lands, this lands. I'm just going to let myself do whatever my body needs to do in there. Do you practice? Oh, we got a question right here from some guy. Hey Theo. Hey Sean. This is Shiloh out of Mizzou, Montana.

Just quick question for Sean, just wondering how does it feel to be a fighter coming out of Helena and these two come back here at all? Yeah. Montana is an interesting place. You know, Daniel Cormier said it best. He felt like when he went to Great Falls, which was where Tim's from, our from where I'm from, it feels like you're going back 20 years in the past. Wow.

And it's honestly, and I don't want to say they have people in Montana get mad at me. It's depressing there. I don't like going back. It's a weird feeling. I think the suicide rate's one of the highest there. It's a depressing place. And I don't know what, why? It's beautiful.

Yeah, it's beautiful. I've been in Dear Lodge before. Okay. Yeah. They got a prison there. That's where it's from. Oh, really? Prison.

No, that's where it's dad's from. But yeah, Montana's cool. I'm from Helena. There's not a mall there. Like growing up, there wasn't a fucking mall to go to. There was nowhere to go hang out, but my parents had a dope-ass house out in the mountains, like fucking right next to the lake, so it was nice. But I don't go back to Montana much, and I think the best thing I ever did was move

out of Montana. But I'm super grateful that I'm from Montana because it made me the person I am, like for whatever reason, it made me the person, and it gave me that confidence being in Montana, fighting other guys from Montana, beating them up, and just being in Montana, I felt like DEV obviously is the reason I was the person I was before I left, but moving out of there was the best thing I've ever done. Yeah. Most people think, oh, I'm gonna go to Montana, I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked by some

guy. But you thought, you were like, oh, I kicked everybody's ass in Montana, I'm gonna head on out. But the reason I was beating up people in Montana too is because it was, they didn't have good gender training. The training, yeah. I've heard you talk about this, that the training where you're at now, you talked about it on Rogan even, just the level of training, it's like one of the three or four hot spots that

you guys spoke about, where it's just like one of the best places to train every day. Yeah, Montana was not good. And when I came down from, the reason I came to Phoenix was because Tim was watching one of my fights in Great Falls. He was commentating because he was already in Bellator at the time, and he was like, hey, if you want to come down to a real GMSE potential in you, and you could, so I came down shortly after, a couple of weeks after, and I was 18 years old, came to the lab. Literally every single, I was there for 10 days, every practice I left crying, I'm pretty

sure. I was like, it was bad. I realized I'm not good at fighting. Like I'm athletic, and I just don't have the skills. People would take me down and beat me up. But you've learned it? And I was like, but always on the back of my head, I'm like, if I can learn these skills, I'll beat these guys because I'm more athletic.

And for whatever reason, I felt like I had a pretty good IQ of fighting. And I was like, I just need to learn the skills, I just need to learn the skills. So from when I was 19, when I moved to Phoenix, to leaving today, I'm training pretty much twice a day. I'm still getting really good. I'm getting better. And those two years that I was out, I think I improved more in those two years than I did in the previous four years that I was training, because I was training smarter, and I'm just

training with such high level people, and I'm retaining the knowledge, and I still feel like I have so much to learn, which is why I think I'm so dangerous, and it gives me that confidence because I'm like, I'm really fucking good right now. I can get, I'm just, I'm just getting started. Imagine in my head, I'm like, imagine in a couple of years, if you keep training the way you're doing, it's scary to think about my strength and conditioning, Brandon Harris, when he says like, we're just scratching the surface with your fucking abilities. And I'm already feeling like a fucking machine.

I'm like, if we're just getting going, then I'm going to be a dangerous motherfucker for the rest of the time I'm in the UFC. Do you, is there anybody when it comes to like talking trash and like kind of, you know, like, you know, and you have to these days, you have to be your own PR person, really. I mean, 100%, you know, what's that, a quiet goat. Don't get fucked. That's what he used to say back in the day, you know, like, um, and it's like, is there anybody, is there anybody, you don't have no standards, have no standards, bro, we've

all done some things, brother, yeah, fuck it, you know, is there, uh, is there anybody you, you, you, you check in and look at him like, oh, uh, that you follow their way of talking shit. I definitely, uh, watched, uh, I've, uh, Chale Son is the number one, I think. I think he was better than Connor and I didn't get to watch it while it's happening. I've got to go back on the YouTube videos, click like Chale Son and Best Trash Talk and watch out like fucking, I've watched every single interview. I've watched Connor's Best Trash Talk and it's, I watch it like it's comedy.

They're funny as fuck. Yeah, it's pretty great. And I feel like I've always been, you know, I've always been the goofy kid, the kind of funny guy. And I'm like, if I just be myself and then learn like everything, like these guys, um, I think I'm going to be able to be pretty good at talking shit in my own way and, and it's going to be authentic because then you, there's, people can tell when you're being real, your true self and like being funny.

And then people can tell when you're being like, you know, uh, Henry Sehudo who just, he's an Olympic gold medalist, he's, you know, he's two-time world champ. He hasn't, he's following sucks. Yeah. He's just not funny. And it's, there's- We doesn't have that off stage. His personality isn't as verbose really off stage.

Yeah. And he's just, so I think, uh, but yeah, Chale and Connor, I definitely watched a lot of, a lot of their interviews and, and probably subconsciously learned a lot to where I can kind of put it in my own ways. Yeah. It's fun, man. And it makes it fun. Dude, I love that part of it.

I remember after my broke my foot, I told Joe Rogan, I said, I love, uh, what did I say? I said, I fucking love Joe Rogan, but I said, uh, I love everything about the sports, the trash talk, the, the, the buildups to the fights, dude, those press conferences with that Connor have been in with, with, uh, Oh, they were so good with Floyd. With Floyd, with, with Aldo, with, when they were all sitting up there and he was talking about Corey.

Dude, I can't wait for those. I'm going to get me a fucking quad shot, chug it and just get goofy on the mic and start saying fucked up shit that people pushing the bound and the funny thing is, is already I want to watch that. You know what I'm saying? Like I want to watch. It's interesting. It's like what makes people want to watch.

It's that it thing, but no one really kind of knows what that it thing is. But I set up on the contender series when I was a seven to know or whatever I was before I fought Alfred. I said, I have that it thing. I'm going to knock out Alfred and everyone's going to want to watch me fight and it just happened like that. And it's funny. That was a great fight too.

That was a wild one to watch. Yeah. It was high paced and it was, but I was had that was the worst fight camp I've ever had in my life and it was the biggest opportunity I needed to go out there and perform. That's what really, you know, probably gave me a lot of confidence that I'm like, I had a bad concussion. This is the reason I don't spar too much. I had a bad concussion a couple of weeks before that fight, waking up in the middle

of the night, puking, not able to train, couldn't eat hardly. So I weighed in at 136, I got in the cage at 138. That's fucking insane. Like you don't get in the, you don't weigh in at 136, get in at 138. And I just had such a bad camp. I was completely gassed out in that fight. You can see a minute in, I'm like huffing and puffing and I still dropped him. So that made me really, that probably built a lot of my just GoPro batteries scared the

fuck out of me. That probably gave me a lot of confidence knowing I can still show up when I feel like that. Yeah. Let's look at that picture with Tim too. Let's bring that back up. I don't want to. That was, yeah.

He had a cameo on Rip My Drip. Who sent that in? Zark. We have this boy, we have this guy on, that's been following Tim and I for a long time. His name is Zark.0. He's a OG Jobin of ours and he sent it in like four weeks in a row, he said, and he finally got it on and it was legendary. It's funny, Theo, is when I had hair like you, I used to have, and I had like a little

bit of frosted tips. I got more puss than I've ever gotten in my life. Praise God, brother. Amen to that. Yeah, you show up looking like you can do something and people think you can. This is when you got your first tranny, right? Took out your first tranny on Tinder? Jobin, don't.

Oh yeah, sorry. Bro, you could fucking alien dress like that, bro, anything could happen to you. Let's end that fanny pack if we had a guess. Bro, hopefully more fanny. Look at the muscles on this dude. No shit. I hope. Condoms and lube.

Extra fanny, bro. Who's using con? A little vibrator. That's a good idea. Let's get that other question that came in today. Do you mind? I want to kind of hear what you guys said about him back in the day. Oh yeah, let's play this.

Yeah, I didn't even know. Phoenix. Tim Welch. Oh, I got it. Look at them fucking Jorts, bro. He kind of has that Joe Rogan of the West vibe. Dude, he has that Joe Rogan of the future vibe, doesn't he? Yeah.

Look at those fucking bolays. It looks like Joe Rogan, if he was in that movie, what's that movie where there's things climbing underground and they try to pop out and see you? Tremors. Tremors, yeah. That was an old movie. He looks like Joe Rogan if he's in Taxi Cab Confessions, porno. Yeah, it looks like Joe Rogan and Hulk, he looks like Hulk Hurrogan.

Dude, look at his kicks. Remember when Hulk Hogan's son killed somebody with a car? Yeah, that's crazy, man. That's crazy, man. Yeah. Talk about Nick Hogan. Yeah, racism. He's an Uber driver now.

Let's see what else we got. Look at those fucking Powerful Family Pack. Yeah, very powerful. And look at them. Those fuckers. Oh. Bro, if somebody doesn't ejaculate on a Vagabond, this ain't America, dude. That's all I'm saying.

What do you guys do whenever you guys go out around the town, man? Do you guys ever? We don't go out. Really? We don't go out. Dude, we train, we get high, we chill, that's it. Is it too dangerous going out whenever you can fight? Like, is it?

Because I like, you know, I can do comedy, so I like to go out and do comedy, you know? Like, is it kind of like? Dangerous. Yeah. No. I don't look at fighting like that at all. I'm never confrontational and I don't get in fights outside of it. I'm not even in that situation.

If we go out, we'll get fucking high shit and go overeat and regret it. That's pretty much like what we do. We did go to a comedy place down in Phoenix. I'd like to go down there more because being around the comedy club, that was pretty fucking fun. We never really, I only hear Rogan talk about it and you guys talk about being around the club, comedy club, I'm like, damn, that sounds fucking, that sounds fun. Yeah.

Yeah, that stand up live club, is that the one? Yeah, what's it called, do you remember? Stand up Scottsdale. Is that what it is? It's a couple good ones. It's not in Scottsdale, it's in Phoenix, right? Is it downtown? Yeah.

Yeah, stand up live, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're just over there actually. Oh, is that where they perform? Yeah, I think they were there actually maybe a weekend. Last night, I think, or two nights ago. Yeah, yeah, that's where they were. Let's get this question in.

Hello? He's a fellow, a big fan of the podcast in general, all fucking 10 of them that you do, and just wanted to get a quick question for Sean, and that's after you get that bell, what are you telling Joe in that post fight interview, what are you going to tell him? I don't, I really still don't know what podcast is for, so gangrene, butt fuck, whatever. Not even sure half the words he said, but I don't think that kind of, he's from Louisiana he said, so it's limited, limited word ship down there. Yeah, after, I thought he had his buddy with him to help him, he needed an extra word.

Hold the sign. After my fight with Andre, I remember saying, I fucking love you Joe Rogan, and then I fought with Jose, I was on ESPN, they're like, don't go, I freaking love you Joe Rogan, and then after that, so I think that kind of became a thing, just saying I fucking love you Joe Rogan. Just got such a huge fan of Joe Rogan, it's fucking, it's so sweet that he's a commentator there, like in the UFC, they said, hey, how are you going to, how are you going to, how is it going to affect you fighting with no crowd?

I said, Joe Rogan is there, and Dana White's there, I don't give a fuck who else is there. Joe Rogan, listening to him commentate in his podcast, and so I'll probably say I fucking love you Joe Rogan, I have to get that bell. That'd be a great t-shirt if you made that too. Okay, love you Joe Rogan, hey Rogan, you mind if I use that, like give me 10 bucks. Little wife-feeder or something. Little wife-feeder. Yeah.

He made that Spotify money, I think. Or ex-wife-feeder, dude. The wife-feeder. Oh, yeah. Future wife-feeder. Yeah, future wife-feeder, that's a great idea. Like a rash card cut off on me. Yeah, that'd be sweet.

What else we got, Nick? Anything you want to ask, man? This guy's got a question. Oh, he's got a good question. Okay, here we go. A lot of our questions, they have their shirts off, I don't know what it is, but... People are fired up, man. Yeah, they're doing...

You gotta push-ups. Sean, what is your favorite tattoo? Um, probably something on my face. I remember when I wanted to get face tattooed, Danny, my girl, she was like, nah, don't do it. And it was the star in it. I said, I'm stupid enough to get a face tattoo, but I was smart enough to get a fake one first.

Right. So I got the fake star tattoo before my fight with Andre, and it was, I'm like, damn, I like that. So I went and got the star. I was feeling like a fucking superstar. Yeah. I was on a pay-per-view. I'm in the UFC.

I was 22 years old. I'm like, fuck, I'm getting a star on my face. I ain't gonna ever work a fucking job again. So probably the star, that's what started the face tattoos, and then I got sugar, and then I got breathe. It says breathe when you look in the mirror. That one was pretty cool because I was going through all that you saw to stuff. I was really learning more about my breath and meditation and stoicism, and it all comes

back to just taking that, just breathing and feeling that breath. So I got that one. I like that one a lot. Then I got the heart. The heart was just kind of like, I don't, I just want something on my face. Yeah, man. I was feeling hard. Yeah.

Do what you got to do. Yeah. It's interesting because I mean, back in the, like, I mean tattoos and stuff, I don't have any, but it's always been like a- You look sick with a little face tattoo. Tribal thing, really? A little hot dog or something. A little hot dog.

No, but something, something small would be sick. Damn, bro. I think you got to, even if you get like a little fake one first, just to check it out, you'd like it. You'd look in the mirror and you'd scream, I do every morning. Do you? Yeah, just feel hard. Because you're like, fuck, I have to show up.

Now that I have face tattoos. Well, after that, you can give me tattoos and not show up for life. Before my fight, before my fight, I'm like, I got fucking crazy hair. If I get knocked out, that's going to be fucking a meme forever, laying there with my hair flopping around, colorful. Has Connor reached out to you? No, I feel like, no, I'm a huge fan of Connor, obviously, but I feel like he, I feel like he might be a little bit of a drunk now.

Yeah. I'm like, who knows, maybe not. But I feel like he probably looked at me like this little fucker about to steal all my shine. Yeah. Because I'm, I'm, I heard Brendan talk, what was it, saying about the new Super, the new pay-per-view model. He doesn't think anybody's going to be like that big superstar, that Connor, that Ronda,

that, I think he's wrong. I think I'm going to be that next big fucking superstar, but I just have to make sure I'm continuing to show up in the gym and get better so I can go out there and perform. But if I keep going out there and doing what I know I'm capable of doing, like a lot of people don't think in their mind like, I'm going to go knock this dude out in a fucking flashy way. I said before that fight, I'm going to knock this dude out in a viral way. And I did.

And I feel like I can do that to everybody. It doesn't matter what style. If I'm longer than you and faster than you, I can knock you out in a crazy fashion. It's artistic. Yeah. It's like Pablo, like kick-ass-o or something. Yeah, exactly. Kick-ass-o, I might get that tattoo on my face.

Bro, that's mind-op. Yeah. Next time you come out, I'm going to put it in a croissant. Yeah, it would look good. Something would be sweet. Or Colin, we just hired Colin. Maybe we'll make him get it. Oh, that'd be good.

Yeah. But no, I, yeah. We're going to be so gangster one day to have somebody who you have to, like you don't want to have the tattoos, but you make them get them. That would be sweet. That would be cool. Jay, that's you. Let's go, boy.

Yeah, this is my tattoo donkey right here. It says menthol across his back. We're just buzzed up, we're getting tats. Do you get buzzed up much? Get fucked up, you mean? Just buzz, yeah. Every night. Not recently.

I quit doing drugs. Now I'll call a while back. But I'll probably do it at some point, just not right now. Yeah, I don't. What about DMT? Have you ever done that? I haven't, but I'm definitely, I definitely would like to. I like how it's a quick kind of, I've been told like 15 minutes.

Yeah, yes. You can just walk through it pretty easy, yeah. I definitely would be interested in doing that. But getting buzzed up. It's so fun when you do it, but we don't do it very often. Couple times a year, three, four, maybe a year. Get drunk? Yeah.

But when we get buzzed with the boys, it's so much fucking fun. It's just hard to, like, I don't want to wake up the next morning with a fucking headache. Yeah. It was kind of becoming old fashioned too, I think. When I was in college, everybody got drunk, right? It was like, how drunk can you get? Zack's dead, you know? It would be like, oh man, who cares if he's dead?

He can still drink, you know? But now you see people using more psychedelics. You see people using more like things that they want to have like an actual experience. Then they want to just kind of pollute themselves, you know? It's just like everything, like diet changes. I think the diet of how we get wasted is evolving as well, you know? Fuck yeah. This was kind of related, this question.

What's up, Sean? What's up, Theo? Gang gang, brother. My name's Tua from Sydney, Australia. I just have a question for Sean. I'm just wondering if you microdose anything. I don't know if you're allowed to talk about it at all. But there are huge benefits with it, and I know that you just saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast speaking about mushrooms. I'm just wondering if you microdose at all.

Thanks, guys. Have a good day. It's cool how many different people around the world listen to the podcast. When I go on Twitch, people are like, hey, from Germany, hey, from Russia. It's fucking crazy. Dude, it's really fascinating, isn't it? It is. Microdosing. I feel like for me, when I use a psychedelic, I feel like I have to almost be kind of called to it. I'm going through something and I need to figure it out.

Lately, life's been going so well right now that I haven't really felt like I needed to use mushrooms. Or any psychedelics, really. But I have microdosed, and it does. It makes life more vibrant almost. You've got to be careful of what kind of mindset you're in. But if I'm going through something and I need to fucking figure something out, I feel like, and dig deep, where it's like, okay, this is coming from my childhood, or this is coming from this insecurity, or you're attached to your significant other,

and you get jealous in a certain way. That's when I feel like those mushrooms are so beneficial and so powerful that they can really help you dig deeper into those situations and figure out what's the next step. Because mushrooms aren't going to fix nothing. You're not going to take mushrooms and be like, oh, I feel better now. It's going to give you the right idea to be like, oh, shit, this is where I'm going wrong. This is what I need to change. Yeah, it helps you get out of some of those bad loops you can get in.

Exactly, yeah. I think mushrooms are so fucking powerful. It's crazy, huh? It's crazy that they're illegal. It makes Miller light look like a little pussy. Exactly. I think, you know, Tim said it should be a national mushroom day, where everybody just kind of trips and realizes we're all fucking one.

Like at the end of the day, we're all one motherfucker. Yeah, bro. Everybody's getting a big pile in the park. Yeah, stacked up protests. But dude, how crazy would it be to do them like with your mom or something? I've always thought about that. My mom. My mom's starting to get a little weird, bro.

I think she was in a couple of years, dude. I take a weekend off of a dog party and I just go do it with my mom. Dude, I think that would be an emotional, such a positive thing for me and my mom, too. But my mom is so against, she's religious to where she wouldn't do it. Right. Because of the Bible and all that. But I'm like, if you read the Bible, doesn't it say stuff about plants and medicines and stuff? But she literally told me the other day marijuana, no, 20 cigarettes is worse than one joint.

I thought on the internet. I've heard that before. I'm like, mom, you smoke 20 cigarettes. I'll smoke a joint. Let's get on the treadmill and see who falls first. Or let's do anything, anything. But she's just so cut off at that religious block. I just don't see her.

But she's such a good fucking person and I love her to death. But I think she's stuck on that block that marijuana is so bad for you. But I don't know why. I've seen you drunk. I've seen you drink caffeine, coffee is literally opposite of weed in a sense. I don't get it. You think she's ever tried it? I don't think she's ever tried it, no.

See, that's the thing, I think, is if getting someone to have the experience, because I think they feel like you smoke a joint, you lose your job, you get like a shitty car, your air conditioner doesn't work, you cry in your yard. You know what I'm saying? You suddenly have two kids in the backyard and the fucking, there's a shitty pool that they're in. I think people, that's what people think, like, oh, that happens. I can see my mom.

I don't think they realize, oh, it just kind of makes you a little different. It makes the whole way you interact with the world. It puts a different filter on it. Yeah, I think coffee is the same thing. Caffeine is a drug that makes you fucking, before I had caffeine, I was like, when I had caffeine, I'm like, whoa, let's fucking get goofy. It changes your mind. It's mind-altering just like weed is in a different way.

Let's call deer until a piece of shit, you know what I'm saying? I must do, I can talk shit to those guys. Like, I don't like when littler guys talk shit to the big UFC, the big guys. Like, I'm a 35er. I'm not a big guy. I'm a little guy. I'm not talking shit to these big ass motherfuckers. I'm smart enough to know that these guys can still whoop my ass.

Right, right, right. And then that's why I don't like when the little guys act like they're the king of the world. Even Connor's like, there's not a man. But that might be him playing that up, that thing where people are like, I want to watch out. But it's gotten so much easier for him to play it up. It's almost like that's become his only element since he doesn't fight anymore. Yeah, it sucks because you almost get put in this position to where it's like, for Connor, it's like, I need big fucking fights.

I'm not going to fight anyone else. And he seems like he's getting frustrated. He wants to fight, but he only has so many options now. And that's the thing with getting up in the rankings. Like, so you're ranked number five. It's like, oh, okay, I can fight number four, three, two, one, or the champ. But these guys are fighting each other. This guy's injured. This guy's fucking mom has cancer.

You know, he's just like, you can't fight. And time goes fast. I mean, before you know it, it's been a year. It's been a year and a half. So it's like almost the rank is like, fuck, once you get up there, it's like you can only fight a certain amount of guys. Right. Because you don't want to fight backwards.

It doesn't make sense. You got to enjoy the right. So you have to plan the ride. You do. And for me, it's like, I love fighting. If it was my choice, I'd fight next weekend. Yeah. I would have had a fight booked and we're fighting.

But like I said, it's a business and they got to do it right. But yeah, fighting's fucking, and it's a dangerous sport. Like I'm lucky I got out of the last two fights. No injuries. That's rare. Yeah. Super rare to get out of fights with no injuries back to back like that. Have you ever fought somebody who only has one eye or not?

One eye. Like are somebody that only had like one something? No. I remember there was this guy that I sent to Tim. Yeah, I got off for a fight. Remember that? And you're like, he has one leg. I'm like, dude, it's a loose lose.

It's a loose lose. You beat him. Really? The guy with one leg. Oh dude, in Montana, you can fucking fight every weekend. That's the thing. That's what I used to love that sugar used to say as a when he was amateur. He's like, man, I don't even give a shit if I lose.

I just want to do some sweet shit. Hell yeah. I was like, if I can make a highlight, if I can go into a fight and get like a good, solid bunch of sweet shit like that I did in the fight and then lose, like I always got sweet vids to watch. It's true, bro. The highlights, bro. It's preps.

It's like, as long as you have a couple of good highlights, the rest of it doesn't matter. This guy's 0 and 74. Exactly. But he shows up. Yeah, but watch him do this backflip. The thing about being undefeated to, I'm 12 and oh, it's like, fuck, that O is so important in the business too. It's like, it's almost like, okay, if I lose, then it's like, okay, now we're free to fight

whoever, fuck it. But you got to keep that O. You got to keep that undefeated record. Yeah. Do you think about that a lot? For me, I think another thing that's super, that I have an advantage of in the mental department is I'm not afraid to lose. When I look at losing, I look at it as a chance to go through adversity, a chance to be like,

when that whole you saw this thing came about, it's like, that was so, I felt like I just took an L. I just lost, like I just got suspended for something I didn't fucking do. But I was able to figure out how to make it a positive thing, training wise, my relationships wise, just learning a lot about myself. So if I lose a fight, I'm like, okay, now we just got some shit to deal with mentally. Obviously, I need to go work on something. Did I get caught? Did I get dropped?

Did I lose a decision? Did I gas out? What happened? I got to go work on that. And then mentally, it's like, okay, how do I deal with this loss? And I'm going to be able to deal with it because I've dealt with shit before and I know that dealing with adversity come out more powerful on the other side. So I'm really not scared to lose.

I definitely obviously don't want to, but God, I hope I lose. Next fight, I'll be sick. But I'm not afraid to lose in going into a fight. If I do lose, my circle is so small that I'm not going to have people flailing like Tim's going to be there. Jay's going to be there. My girl's going to be there. My mom and dad.

The core, the small group I got, the guys at the gym at TW, BJJ where we train, like those guys fucking love me in there, not because I'm winning fights, because I'm there a fan of what I do and I entertain and then I go to the gym and I'm like, what's up guys? So I'm not going to lose anybody that's important to me. Right. The only thing you're going to lose is just, yeah. A fight. It would just be a fight.

It's not that big deal. So I think being able to look at it with that mindset helps me not be getting nervous in fights. It's interesting, man. After watching interviews with you and then talking with you now, it definitely gives me more of an understanding of what your overall perspective of things is definitely a little bit different. That's good.

I think being able to do podcasts like this and get, ask different questions and reach different audiences and have podcasts are sweet because you really get an understanding of what, of who someone is for the most part and you can kind of tell if they're bullshitting or if they're being themselves or whatever. So yeah, it's fucking podcasting so fun. Yeah. Yeah. It's been awesome, man.

Nick, what else we got? Anything else? I guess just more specifically, do you have a timeline of when you're trying to fight again? Yeah. I'm talking to UFC. I said, dude, I'm ready to go in August. Like I know, I don't think, fight Island sounds really cool.

I don't think it does, but when I get there and I'm like, this place fucking, even if it is sweet, it's like, okay, being, I could either fight. The thing is too, is the cage size, like the cage is, what was it, 44% smaller, almost half the size. No way. Yeah. On fight Island? No, no, no, in Vegas.

Yeah. In the past weekend, that cage was smaller. Yeah. The one I fought in was fucking tiny and I felt it, but that's the one I fought in the contender series too. And it's like, for me, my advantage is my footwork and my movement. So the bigger the cage, the better for me. So fight Island is going to have a big cage.

Vegas has a smaller cage, but I'd way rather fight in Vegas, but I'd rather fight in a bigger cage. Big cage. So it's like, okay, who are we fighting? Are we fighting a grappler? Who's going to try to hold me down? That smaller cage is going to benefit them more. Are we fighting a striker in a smaller cage?

That still would rather have a bigger cage, but it's a different game. Like Eddie was a striker. It wasn't too big of an issue. So I'd rather fight in Vegas in a bigger cage if I had the opportunity. Hopefully we're going to fight August. A couple of people, like, I was supposed to fight Cheeto, I don't know if you know who that is. Yeah.

Cheeto, his fight was sick. He lost, but it was a- I thought he won. He won. Oh, he won? I thought he won. He did lose. Oh, he lost the decision.

Cheeto Vera, right? Yeah. I thought he won. Yeah. We'll see. That's what I told UFC to you. I'm like, I'll fight him. I know he's coming off a loss and you're supposed to winners, fight winners.

UFC thought he won. I thought he won. You know, that could be a fight to make. Damn, yeah. That'd be a great fight, bro. Yeah, it might be. Or it's going to be another first round kill, but no, he's definitely tough as fuck. He's like, he's tough.

He's going to- Yeah. And I always say this. I plan on fighting for 15 minutes. As far as my training is concerned, like, we're training to fucking fight for 15 minutes. Most of the time, like throughout my career, it doesn't last like that. Couple of minutes, yeah. And I don't, you know, when I close my eyes and see the fight playing out, I knock him out in the first round.

It just happens like that. But he's tough and his skill sets pretty hot, pretty good. He's a good grappler. I think he would try to take me down. Not initially. I think he's like, initially he'll probably be like, oh, I'm going to strike with him. Hit him with a fucking sugar smack. Then I smack him in the tits and he's like, oh, trying to grab me.

That's what usually happens. Hit people. Fucking stevia, bro. Dude, I'm going to hit him with that fucking stevia. But I think he called me stevia on Twitter the other day. Oh, did he really? Oh, I didn't even know that. He said something about making excuses with the UFC.

People on Twitter are so fucking stupid. It's funny. I like Twitter now. I don't use it too much. I use it to talk shit. Like Peter, I don't know if you saw that tweet. No, I didn't see it. Peter Yan?

He said, Peter Yan, he said, oh yeah, there's that. Next time UFC called, don't it be excuses? Like UFC called me. I'm like, no, I can't make it. My grandma's couch broke and I can't make, I made excuses. But I think, what did he say? He said, it's my time. And I said, calm down, Peter.

I don't know. I said, calm down. You can't even spell your name right, Peter or something like that. And it's just funny little comments like that. Right there, he said, my time and I said, calm down, you can't even spell your name right, Peter. And then I spelled it right. And then he said something, he said, oh yeah, calm down, you can't even spell your name

right, Peter. Just some funny shit like that on Twitter makes Twitter so fucking fun. Because it's a game, well, it's interesting too for you because you come out of like this twitch world and being in like, and being of a younger generation and some guy, you know, like just think it's, it's more of a not real world online. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's building potential big fights in the future.

Like that's building it up. You're not working for me now, Curly Boy. I don't know if he speaks English or if he has someone translating. I truly don't know. But I'm curious if he's actually him, so I don't think he could speak that way. He got his own style, man. It's funny people always try to jab at me for having curly hair. I'm like, curly hair is the only reason I get laid.

Yeah. Yeah, that's not an insult, you get fucking curly hair, but yeah, well, I got laid with it, so. Yeah. It's not a good insult. I think a lot of Henry Sehudo had said something about Curly Q or something during Q-Tip or something about my hair. I'm like, God, that's not good because it gets me.

But it's interesting that where you're at that you have these guys who are communicating with you. Oh, I love it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's interesting. It's like, there's a lot of guys who could tweet at Henry Sehudo and they're not going to get any response. But that's not where you live right now.

That's not the, you know, the world you have built for yourself right now. And I bet it is fucking exciting. It's fun. It makes it way more exciting. And I've been building this up for, you know, I've been building my social media up for a long time, you know, ever since I guess I got it, kind of just been building up, building up, building up, making it like a business. Yeah.

You know, I make a lot of fucking money from my Instagram and it's like a business there. But growing up, I had so many adults tell me, don't post this. Don't post that. You're not UFC not going to like that. Me smoking weed in my fucking marijuana row, listening to 50 Cent like, hey, I wouldn't post that. You're not going to like literally been adults that I'm supposed to look up to. It's so hard for me to look up to most adults.

I'm like, your life sucks. I don't know what you tell me doesn't really resonate. Yeah. You just got fired. Yeah. Just got fired from the fire department. Yeah. You know, it's like hard for me when I was growing up listening to the adults, but I

don't want to be like you. So that's probably not going to, not going to listen. I've always kind of been a rebel in that way, but I've been like the social media way posting shit that I think's funny. Yeah. Like if I think it's fucking funny, I'm going to post it. Dude, undeniable that the show is entertaining, man, a rebel with a cause. Exactly.

Anything else? That's it for me. You got it? Tim, man, you got anything else for this guy? I want to see, okay, besides Schwab and Joe Rogan. I think with your size, you might be able to fuck up any other comedian. Oh, dude. What about Callan?

You vs. Callan? He boxed a little bit. I see. I think he's getting a little old though. That's true. I'm actually going to stop by Tony Jeffries' gym on the way home. He's got that box and burn. Hit some mitts or what?

Yeah. I'm just going to check it out. I'm going to get a membership over there. That'll be tight. I need to fight somebody. I think you vs. Brian sparring three threes would be fucking epic. I'd watch that. I'd be in it.

I mean. Yeah. I'd watch that. Dude, your size intimidated me. Yeah. You're taller. And I can get hit, man. I'm already.

Well, you got to mull it so you can get hit. Yeah. I'll get fucking hit. Dude, yeah. I don't need shit. Yeah. I'm already missing a little. Wow.

If you can jab Brian, because I haven't met Brian either, so I don't know. He's small. He's smaller. He's quick in his hip, so he's got those kind of, yeah. I can see that. He's got that wiggle in him. Yeah, I can see that. But he's very small.

He's almost like he is the physique of like Elf on a shelf. Remember Elf on a shelf? Oh, yeah. I know Elf on a shelf. He's a small physique, almost like somebody set him somewhere. Yeah, but his muscle, his bone density has gone down so much even in the past year. Yeah, he's getting older. Yeah, he's getting older.

You think you'll be like tactical or more on your emotions? Like fucking pissed. I'd go in mouth first. Yeah. I'd be one of the few people to fucking, yeah, go in. Get emotional. Oh, mouth, bro. Someone's slapping the wrap.

Just squealing. Before the fight. My finishing move is I can hold him down. Damn. And I cry straight into his mouth. In a boxing fight. That'd be sick. Drown him, bro.

That would be fucking epic. Dude, you got to think of some crazy finishing moves, bro. Dude, I have some. I really do. Like we got so many. Things that have never been done, man. I do. I have moves that have never been, that people are going to be like, I think I'm not real.

That's the goal. I get in fights. People are like, was that real? I want to be that big of a character. And we got the moves. I have the techniques down. Yeah, like this guy's using R3, isn't he? Yeah, they're going to be very interesting what he's doing.

The UFC game ain't going to be able to keep up with the shit that I actually can do. So it's going to be sweet. I'm excited. It's nice to be healthy. Right. I really feel healthy because with that strength and conditioning program I'm doing, I'm doing that and building that dense bones and just eating healthy so my body's so healthy. And when I'm healthy and athletic like this, I'm a dangerous motherfucker and I have so

many sweet moves to finish people with. And you got to remember, I'm almost, I'm 5'11", and most of the guys in my division are 5'7", like little dudes. Yeah, you know, that length that almost makes me, when I'm watching you, it makes me nervous. Yeah. For some reason, because I'm like, oh, because the visual is that, oh, this guy looks, you know, like the, who is the gentleman who's Stamen? Stamen?

Cody Stamen, yeah. Yeah. When you look at him, you're like, Jesus Christ, but so. He's closer to 5' than he is 6'. Wow. You know what I mean? So does that scare you, though, when you see somebody with that body, like that physique? It's just like, I mean, no, it's funny.

It's more funny than it is scary. When you see a midget, you get scared. We're not a midget. He's 5'3". He's not a midget. That's true. That's true, man. You're right.

It's not scary. No, no. When they're jacked like that, it's like, okay, he's going to try to take me down and hold me. It's not scary. I'm thinking like that because they got to get inside, got to get kneeed, elbowed, kicked, kicked. There's a lot of weapons.

A lot of, a lot, like, it's dangerous coming in to my range. A lot of blades, bro. A lot of blades. A lot of blades this guy's running with. Yeah. Uh, Sean O'Malley, the sugar show. Thanks, man. Yeah, that was fucking awesome.

That was fun. Thanks for coming in, bro. Yeah, thank you. Exciting, man. Tim, thank you so much. Fuck yeah, good to meet you guys. Yeah, and, uh, JX. JX, man.

Jesus, you call him Jesus. Jesus. And he does most of your social media stuff, Pete. Yep, Jesus does our podcast, vlogs, uh, runs our Patreon for the most part, like, posting on stuff. So, yeah. Dude, having that stuff going is so huge, bro. Fuck yeah.

A lot of people don't have that. So, thinking ahead like that, bro? We're on top of it. We got the squad on top of everything. Yeah, that's huge. We're on top of it. We're on top of it.