This Past Weekend - E284 Diplo

Episode Date: June 30, 2020

  Theo sits down with Diplo to talk about Tekashi, cultural appropriation, and battling ego.   Check out Theo’s other show King and the Sting https://bit.ly/KATS75_Slices   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   New Merch https://theovonstore.com    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This episode is brought to you by…   Bridge Credit Solutions https://bridgecreditsolutions.com/theo  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Music “Shine” - Bishop Gunn http://bit.ly/Shine_BishopGunn    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hit the Hotline  985-664-9503   Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: http://bit.ly/TPW_VideoHotline  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Find Theo   Website: https://theovon.com  Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend  Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEKV_MOhwZ7OEcgFyLKilw   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Producer Nick https://instagram.com/realnickdavis     See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Musically Maybe provocative or I don't know unique Man that there is in the music market He has a new album out which is kind of a country Well, I don't know what to classify. We'll get into it a little bit, but it is Diplo presents Thomas Wesley Chapter one snake oil is the new album. I suggest you check it out. It's got some real bangers on it Today's guest is none other than Diplo

I mean you did it we did it more riffraff here, right? Was it here? Okay, so Like he Yeah, I mean I was I remember he was living in Baltimore and I just was watching his videos and I had a label I still have a label called mad decent and I was just like man this guy something special about him and um I linked him and had him come up to LA and we worked a little bit and um We made his I signed him to his first album on my label which for me in retrospect

I think it was one of the most groundbreaking hip-hop albums of this like new generation and people won't believe me But every time I work with a young rapper, they always brought him up like because they were like 14 15 They watch him on youtube and he's like doing lines of coke or like acting crazy or just being unabashedly himself, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he is They had this free they see that and they see like this idea like the freedom that he did because he was like Ants he was like the people on world star would comment just He would blow up and well start people like fuck this like, you know, they were like, what the fuck is this bullshit But it's like drove the the videos up to where people were like so confused and if you're like an older person

Like I don't get that hip-hop, but if you're like 14 15 like oh, I love this love this punk aspect of this So like that's a good word. He's like punk hip-hop. Yeah, he was punk and he was just everything was freestyle too I mean, he was that's what I'm saying with him. I bet the podcast is just so good because the guy's so fast like he just Oh, he's that cherry canary things he freaking comes up with pulls out of space is just like what the fuck bro He's that tangerine Lamborghini, dude. He has uh Uh, what was the album called? I want to give him. I know he has a new album out right now called vanilla vanilla gorilla

So everybody go and get that and support riff-riff man. Uh, yeah, I love him dude when I so I went to his place in Deerfield and yeah, yeah in deerfield So we get there we go to the front door right and I'm kind of nervous because it's almost like meeting like an endangered species Yeah, if you don't know him for the first time he must be a pretty daunting creature Remember in Jurassic Park when they kind of are milling around and they know the dinosaurs out there And they just see the big old brine source and it's kind of like that Yeah, he's like that when you're riding along you don't know where the animal's gonna come And then we get to the front door and it has been welded shut. There is no way the actual door

Yes, it's just a huge piece of metal Why do you get in bro? That's why I didn't know So I start just saying things that I'd seen on harry potter, you know like zillicas He's trying to open the try to open the door and then um, he takes us and then he comes out His assistant comes out through the garage and he met us in there and assistant He had no just got maserati mic Oh, yeah He always has people around that are just like crazy people that are his assistants. I don't know crazy

But also slash barber and maserati mic gave me some stripes in my head too that were really really dope And I felt like when he did that that I was did he have the mullet when you when you interview him Yeah, he did he just got in he has a good mullet. Yeah. Oh, he's got beautiful hair I cut his brother's hair victor. Is that who you did on your instagram on instagram? And he has good you go right there. Yeah, he has a good uh, uh, yeah, yeah, that's a young mullet. Now your mullet's a little fuller Puffy, you got you shaved the insides a little bit more. Yeah, it's getting a little more. I have I had the straightest hair that like my Mullet I'm gonna get a mullet soon Because my last thing before I just shaved the head off because uh, oh you're going all the way back to that

Bro, I'm 41. I mean like this is my last chance for growing my hair long. I don't think this is like It was like an accident. I started doing it. I'm just like I can't turn back now It's like a one-way street And um, I'm so scared when I do it. I just give up on the dream of having long hair Yeah, right, so I'm gonna go to mullet and um, but I have straight-ass hair So it's gonna look like oh, yeah, it's gonna look like a dirt. Oh, yeah, like a Joe dirt Like I don't even I don't even have the the hair that sticks up though Like how those guys like the 80s guys had the fucking things that pop up. It's not gonna like that's gonna look like

I mean, can you pull up any like I don't know if you can pull up any mullets that are straight hair mullet It's pretty yeah, let's go straight exotic, but he's yeah, I think his hair was he bleaches so much. It got like Fluffy, but It's kind of hard to do the straight hair mullet man or string almost string I didn't want to say you said it Stringy hair. I've thin hair. I'll be honest man. It's like I'm some of my last leg over here I mean, these are like these are like a lot of women coming that one go the second one That's what it's gonna look like a prison like

It's like that's what I'm gonna look like bro And I think it's it's blond so you're gonna think I'm bald really it's gonna be pretty duty He go full with the front really really low cut that's gonna be a brave move, but you're gonna feel like a stallion Yeah, I mean who has good mullet is a dyant word had a good had a good mullet the guy from ninja dyant word He has a good mullet. Oh, who's always uh, he's a south african rapper And his in his girlfriend. He was always talking about him. Yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, wow, he does and his girl has a really good mullet too Oh, yeah, I'd watch their heads. I've never seen you never seen them

Uh-uh, they're they're a rappers from South Africa that like he's an old-school hip-hop rapper Like from that era from South Africa, but he like thinks Afrikaans like the wackest culture in the world. So he kind of like made a fake version of african's rapper As I kind of a joke, but it was amazing like this culture of like these kind of like Cape Town like Yeah, I've been there a couple times in the streets And yeah, they made fun of the whole culture of like being like white South African african's rapping and they just made it Actually cool

He made these amazing videos like super cutting as I produce some of the music for them and they made a movie um About robots in South Africa. They actually They did amazing things like full artists. I love the guy and this is that's hit the girl in the band Sick rapper too and they both were like they had a child together and they're just like an awesome power couple and they're doing like cool things for In South Africa for the community there. Yeah, I think so. I think they they represent like Cape Town like kind of like this kind of hybrid of like

I mean South Africa me one of the most amazing places like culturally my favorite country, man Yeah, I love it. I mean like I go there I work a lot in africa with like my other project major laser and like I do shows like Nigeria We go to uganda kenya in the south africa. It's just like a bubble like does it really it's it exists on its own Because it's so diverse with yeah people and music and even the scene there. There's like techno music there like African techno african house is like african hip-hop, you know, they speak Nkosa they speak like four different languages. They have whole different music scenes and they have africans They're like, you know rock and roll. It's just the craziest most vibrant place right chaos there

I love that place so much man. If you see Cape Town, they have like these amazing Communities there or they're like doing like drifting and like they're doing like these crazy. It's just it's just such a bizarre place I wonder why well, I guess because I mean obviously they have so much african culture there Like anytime I've been there we even went up into like Into the country like away from some of the coastal areas and went to like some black colleges Like the first black college ever and like some places so I could see how they just have their influences Are just all over the place because it's also a real kind of avant-garde like they're yeah They had I mean there's like this it was always the richest african country

It's terrible because like, you know, it was it was colonized and I think it was you know It's this hybrid of european like four different tribes that are really big in South Africa Then you have like indian Culture and then like a lot of immigrants and then the like no like the last 20 years I mean apartheid only ended like the 90s Which is crazy and then it kind of dissolved into like there's like chaos and the political universe there but in general, um It's very it's a first world countries like the infrastructure was built during apartheid and there was always like uh

They had like a space program. You know that they had like Yeah, they had like a space program. I'd love to see that I mean, it's like this kind of like sense of like I mean when you watch diant word in their movies or some of this I bet it's like sense of like aliens in South Africa, you know, like this kind of oh the movie He did the movie with the guys were like district nine Like they're they were they were great. They're part of that that that community that do that kind of stuff That's a full like South African film and it kind of feels like

You know the message there that was amazing with those big aliens kind of like it was like an adjunct Like a realistic version of like how aliens It's a movie about refugee culture Because the aliens are like refugees. They're put into like this. They're they're put into like the ghettos And it's like it's like if you take the idea of race and humans out of it, you think about it from a different perspective That's the movie It's like kind of like you think about it in a different way like how you know We're actually one species humans right and how can you like discern like the idea of race and speed?

It's just like kind of a really strong conversation because South Africa is such a violent history And um, you know, it's kind of cool now because I think the younger generation of kids I see when I go and play there They're like finally post apartheid like the way they think about people and like but if you meet people that are over 30 They still have this they still have this sense of Inbred racism in their minds. You know that they have to get rid of Yeah, it's racism is kind of fascinating man because some of it is I think it's Some of it sadly I think just takes time To go. Yeah, because some of it isn't even some people's fault. It is

It's the parent. It's the grant. It's just something that's like it's almost like that reaganomics It's hard. It's hard to change your parents minds, you know, like it's just it's weird and um, because it was a different time Yeah, South Africa like really when it when apartheid broke I think it was like a strong like they the the whole culture chain rules changed laws changed and like broke really america's had this like Sliding dealing with racism like that's never really gone anywhere. We never really I mean we had like a civil rights movement which was you know

People always go back to that like that was a big moment But really nothing when you think about what's happening now like nothing really has changed since then for black americans to where it's still like Engrained like racism in our in our in our society and you think about places Which is amazing about a civil rights movement because they think about places like brazil even like they don't they never had that They never had a place like where they had a movement Right for like black brazans and brazans of color like change the government the way the country is but america had it But we just still have no We're dealing with racism so slowly

Right, I mean the fact that we're still like mississippi and I was born in mississippi is now have the conversation to change the confederate flag off their flag is like That was the confederate flag was put on mississippi's flag During like the 1890s as like to because of that was a racy time Yeah, it was definitely done as like a moment like a really racist movement and it's like there's no reason to there's no Pride or heritage in that flag like for me, right? I'm born mississippi and I you know I'm proud of it. I'm proud that I was born there, but I mean there's no reason for that symbol to mean anything to anybody It's literally the symbol of losers and it offends people So I don't understand what the what the argument is well

I think and and I can even not I can't justify the argument, but I know that I think there's some people Who just grew up with it not being like maybe their grandparents. It was a racist thing for You know, but I think there's like younger people who were just like Oh, that means that I'm southern or that means that um, they there's a lot of disinformation of like what it does mean like and people when people Experience like what black lives matter means or defund the police It's like a shocking idea right in the beginning But if you just read into it a little bit and kind of understand the concepts You can kind of be logical about the way you think about it if you think about the reason of that image

It's kind of easy to understand why it's Uninclusive, but if you're born there and you just grew up there you want to hold on to that because that's you like I understand that A little bit of your tradition. Yeah, but you don't know you don't think about oh wait. That actually is something that was Extremely racist. Yeah was put into the flag whatever so then you can feel Oh, yeah, that's why that's why it bothers people and then you got to realize like is it that important to you Right as it is to them because it's actually offensive to them for you It just means like something that you don't really understand that it means but right for you It's maybe something that you put up on your wall, but I think um, you know, because I agree with the whole heartedly

You know, I know exactly what you're saying the tough part is getting People to see that other perspective really getting them to see it, you know, and also Yeah, I think for a lot of people and that would be my only argument against Not against it, but for understanding like having empathy for why some people think oh, you're taking away a piece of my tradition You know, it's just the tradition to them not as much the history Yeah, everybody in America is like feel like they're fighting the whole like there's fighting for like hold on to something like but it's like You got to understand what he's it What's it really mean if you kind of want to define it to yourself and if you dig that deep you'll be like

Oh, actually, you know it It's kind of bullshit, but you might take you a while to scratch the surface right that's a thing And that's the thing and that's the that's what I think um You know, it's like having empathy for people as they figure out What's that process and that's sometimes I think what's hard to do between different sides It's like, you know, it's you know, I've been lucky enough and you know to come from a place and to kind of get to another place Where you can kind of get a different view of things even just going to South Africa, bro I remember the first time I went to South Africa was the first country I ever went to outside of America

Why'd you go there for the first time? Um, I was working on a reality show and they took us there as a trip. Oh, yes a trip and I remember Getting there and I remember there were so many we're like these Soweto villages and stuff And there's so many black people. Yeah, just so and I grew up in Louisiana and it's it was really 50 50 in our area but I remember thinking holy smokes all these people and there was a lot of Christians too there And I remember, you know, I believe in going to heaven and stuff and so I remember thinking holy smokes There's gonna be a lot of black people in heaven. I'd never

That's kind of weird to conceptualize it that way. It is but I'd never thought about it. You know, I guess I'd only gone mostly white churches and You know, not that I thought heaven was only for white people But when I saw it was just I mean some of the Soweto villages were tens of thousands of people out in these like Lean to the shanty towns. Yeah, and I was like holy smokes Like all these people are going to be in heaven too and I'd never put that other countries also go to heaven I think I just never I thought heaven was just for America Is it's crazy to think about America? That's the most segregated place in America is churches Like literally you never see like white and black people go to church together. It's always like a defined

But church is chicken brings in everybody. Yeah church chicken is the only place where it's like everybody's there having a good time But I just thought about that. It's not like a bad thing You know religions, you know, it's organized in a certain way, but you never it's I went to church all the time as my as a young person It was just like our neighborhood down in Florida. It's city was like Like a white church. Yeah, and the black church was on another side of the street or whatever and it never was like The black church was fucking high. It was way way more high Way more but I was like, can we go to the black church? You know every once in a while Dude, I remember going to the black funeral and being like, damn, I want to be black, man

Because it with the world of Louisiana, you have like the most amazing funeral culture It's like crazy with the second line and like jazz funerals and like wow, it's like just the culture You're definitely going to heaven. Are you going 100% you're going somewhere way better than we are I don't want to go there and just like a guy like going I want to go there was like I want the top of this. I want the top of the casket to be wet. That's how it is sometimes, man Um, we had a question that came in for you actually right here. There's questions. Oh, shit Not sure if our audio is up or not. Mm-hmm. It looks like my nephew. It might be man

What up the yo, what up? Man What made you want to drop the country album? Oh, shit Yeah Other than that, man, keep doing what you're doing Dang dang I was just I was just I was just talking to uh To my boy to the to earnest who worked with Morgan Wallin and the car on the way here

And we were talking about like growing up I lived in Nashville a couple years at Hendersonville and I didn't consider myself part of like Country or not. I was in the hip hop scene there doing stuff But um when you grew up there is like the channels are like 31 is is is uh cmt And then 33 is bet and remember when I got out of school I would watch the cmt count country countdown and I would watch rap city rap afterwards And I was always like the fusion of that between commercial breaks. I was switched channels I watched like

You know, I'd see like Alan Jackson videos and then I watched like k.r.s One or like Wu Tang and I just was like grew up with that music everywhere And you know kids in their trucks ran around doing the same thing listening to country hip hop and um My album isn't really a fusion of that but I like in the last couple years I've been like getting more and more into country Because the artists are so awesome and like so much good stuff coming out of Nashville and songwriters, you know from um Morgan and like Chris Stapleton to uh, uh Um

My guy uh Sturdle Simpson. Oh, yeah, and there's just I was like damn this stuff is like Awesome, like Maren Morris, you know, Casey Musgraves and I was like Getting into the vibe a little bit and I was thinking like what? This this shouldn't be a taboo thing to do is like work on country and um when we first made the first song Morgan It was like very controversial for Nashville even for him like because a trap record kind of like I don't even think about that I just put the drums that fit on the record, right? Um, but it was like never got played on country radio. We had to get it on really Yeah, they got got a highway on the and still not playing country radio because they don't they think it's too

You guys just remade you mean the the one year that's your new album. Yeah, it's more. It's called heartless and Morgan Wallin It's like kind of like I 808s and stuff in it. Yeah So good So it's just but it's streamed like crazy So like all these kids are listening to it and people are doing on a tick tock I'm like this you kind of don't need the Nashville scene to do The country music like you have to it's like an order to get in there I felt like and I just felt like me and me and Morgan we did this record and he believed in me

I'm so glad he gave me this record and um, we did it separately We did we streamed the record and kids liked and I think like kids that are that guy's age like high school kids and um Older kids are just this this music this fusion of a kind of like club and hip-hop and country Which isn't forced just we worked hard on making it make sense Yeah, it really is a time for that right now or people can like I said No country was playing and we're almost having like half a billion streams in the album already But it's also interesting too because I think that younger generations you see them they want it to be

They want to find it in an alternative way Yeah, and it's we we get stuck in old and in ways that we kind of grew up with like you want to get it on this Like I said, like we're just talking about the church is I mean when you go to high school You're like you get in with the the art kids you get in with like the the the the jocks You get in with like the goth kids I mean if you're a black kid you're gonna do a certain thing like you're gonna live with your experiences in that neighborhood Like you might get into hip-hop It's gonna be hard for you to get into goth music or right metal music, but some kids do it

Nowadays kids don't have only the information in their neighborhoods. They have youtube They have tiktok and they're getting exposed to everything and they make this choice about what they want to be what they want to do Really really early like it used to be kind of like You know you have these genres and you kind of as people you get put into them too because of the amount of information you get And I think the last couple years It's just there's no genres. We're like we broke that down. I think that's why it's a time of record like this can exist You know and like you aren't you know or you know rapper like I think outcast is a good example When they came out they just broke down all barriers and they made quality music

They made funk they made rock they made hip-hop they made like you know trap music and they just like crush it Internationally, I think that was like a good example of what you could do You can mix everything up together and I think that from then on They open the door for a lot of music just be like genreless and I've always been a And like a sponsor of that, you know, yeah, you seem really kind of genreless Especially I feel like as you get more into like kind of learning about you know What you've done and where you've gone through and like even just the locations that you've done a lot of your shows Like you'll do some I mean even just saying that you've done shows in Nigeria. It's

Too neat. I don't know if you said too neat or not, but you gonda we did Like we played like you've gone to independence day Wow, because the project I do another project called major laser is just yeah, it doesn't really It's not like a big project in America. We had a huge record called lean on that was here a couple years ago And like light it up. But never really like the brand never worked. It's like group of guys like me My friend is Jamaican my friend mexican ape drums and walsh fire. We're just like this diverse group We have dancers and we do a show

But it didn't really fit into the trend in america where we like were able to tour it or whatever But in africa just took off like that project because I think africa is just a also place where You see the fusion like you see south africa is like that diverse place and like you gone to kenya Especially we were we had these big shows that were make there were more people come to our shows in kenya than I could get in Like new york We have like 15,000 kids and like in irobi at our shows and i'm crazy. We actually got we got paid really well and then africa is difficult to run because you have a couple markets where you can make but nigeria I always go there and play for free like the first couple times I went there because there was

They don't give a fuck they were just like that like the nigerian music scene is so enormous and it's so big and right now It's so influential that we had to like actually Like chip our way into that and then finally had some fans come and then we had a couple records that were that did well there and um For a couple years I just concentrated on like africa and like you know europe for touring for that project because it was That's where my money was yeah, and then um, you know being here quarantined and working on the country I was the first time where I've had like a record connect in america actually So I've been just pushing that out making videos and marketing this song slap man

I mean, it's really good We have we have a guy who works on a different podcast called king of the sting and he is the only black henry rollins fan that I have um, but it's interesting to see like that that a younger generation. There's not things aren't as Linear, you know like we talk a lot about beige power here that one day like we're all hurtling towards this beige skin tone Eventually, well, it's like we have one we're gonna be one person because of globalization It's like just you know might be slower than you think but it might be faster and I think we're all going to work towards You know one culture. I mean people we have only one youtube right at the base So you have a records that can go anywhere they can get big in africa. They can get big in china japan and you have like

It also it also equalizes anybody can just upload a song to soundcloud or youtube and it can go You don't need a label. You don't need You still need infrastructure because that changes the there's not as much of that the the glass ceiling the doorkeepers You don't need you don't need to To break through all these doors to get to where you are like if you're in a band back in the 60s You first have to save up money to get a guitar or whatever learn it find people who like guitar to become a band Spend your energy leave your spine Yeah, like divorce your wife or whatever go to sun studios find some money to go to studio record a demo

This is already three years into your project Then maybe find someone to send your demo to and then maybe Sucks almost dick at a label to get in the door or whatever That's like three and then you need a woman in the band You have to have or you Yeah, that just yeah I just got a it's it was so rough and the process took so fucking long And then maybe they'll give you a deal that what's gonna suck obviously

Yeah, then you got a force on the market your music and maybe make a video or it's going tour We're talking a five-year process to get your one fucking song out right now kids are like 17 suburbs of Fort Lauderdale Have a fucking crazy ass haircut in the face tat bang drop a record and they're fucking low peak Just gotta be a fucking but it's gotta be a movement like for me Peep was like amazing, you know, I took me a while to like get into this music I became a huge fan and like xx expectation of the guy would just like I was like these guys are like doing it from the heart really like even with riffraff in the beginning

You just feel like it's really raw and real like because they didn't have any It's almost like folk music. They didn't have no background to do it They just dropped what they felt like they could do and it was like people and kids connected with it like wow Yeah, they would even be like really fucked up making the music sometimes. I mean riffraff. I couldn't Fucking make your song with him without a bag of cocaine. It was a fucking we had a studio and there was a painting I got like a gold record on the wall He fucking dug a hole behind the painting and hid cocaine there. So I was like, where's the coke coming from? Like you always had a bad cocaine hidden in a wall socket somewhere

And I was like and without the cocaine he was to be like trying to write lyrics like what the fuck and then But the coke drop going the booth 16 fucking verses just dropping on like left and right So not to say you should do cocaine, but for some people it just helped a little bit Look at Florida. Look that's considered a hobby in Florida. I think and it's a little wet That's the thing about that florida coke came in so it got a little damp on the top It's crazy the different places where drugs are so accessible like florida. Yeah, coke was like people in high school We're just doing it. I mean, I don't even know what the kids are doing nowadays That's crazy. I don't know either

But I don't know if kids are doing as much. I wanted to I want to tell a riffraff story too because it is so much Fun. There's something about him. It's like seeing the only it's like somebody knows where there's like a freaking Like hippopotamus and they're not telling anybody else or something, you know He's like he's just like and if you get it's he's had a career a long career now He's been like doing this for like 10 years and if you're going that youtube Down the whole tunnel. Yeah, you can go there for like a week. Yeah, it's just crazy It gets deep It's he cut up a mango for me man. He said he was changing his diet man goes only told me

I've seen him go for a lot of different diets man. He was on a Drugbending WWF diet once. Oh, yeah, he's I think he's vegan though. He's a couple years. I mean, he's insane So I think he's doing good for him. Yeah, last time I saw him He was getting more and that was more the vibe he was going for I took him to the premiere of that movie on Game changers, which is a movie about Arnold Schwarzenegger produced it in the James Cameron It's a movie about like half the how you don't know this but the best athletes in the world are vegan and they have been for a While like the biggest weight. The guy was like the strongman of the world like the biggest

Weightlifter this guy Armenian guy. He's vegan the best female like bike riders vegan the best track runners are vegan and I don't suggest everybody be vegan because I think it's just you know, you got it. I know that's interesting though That's interesting through but it's but when you're doing when you're doing yeah, that guy vegan Here that guy so you can actually get big Or is it Iranian or something? But he's he looks awesome. Got the sickest I mean if you get the mullet and those sideburns that guy's the Icelandic guy that guy's a beast. He's like seven foot tall the other guy But that guy he's apparently the biggest

Weightlifter and he's vegan Yeah, the Chris Paul was they were talking about a new diet that Chris Paul was doing. I think it was vegan and how Chris and Chris was at the um, some other basketball player. Yeah, he was the premiere. So is Deandre Jordan who also He's hilarious. He's big Yeah, Texas. He actually went to high school with the riffraff. Did he really? I took him to Vegas once they recognized each other. No, I was like, what? Riffraff has the best stories. So I pull I get there. So I go into the garage He shows me all the clothes that I owned From 1991 right his clothes are yours. They're his but he actually could have been my childhood clothes

He just happened to have him in a box at his house, right? He probably could still wear him and make sense of it because Bro, he had all just every anything that was for color Yes, anything with the air Jordan like four colors and like totally all of that in the box then he's like, let's go for a ride So we give me this pretty cool bice. Was it a bicycle? Yes, like a motorized bike and he got on a four-wheeler and we literally went through his neighborhood That's gonna say he gave me a bison and I rode it around I was like, whoa, this would be just some coke Traction to a brick wall. Well, the bison went and bought a couple grams while I was on it

What a fucking that's a big bison. He was I had a fucking bank roll that bison Dude, yeah, I'm like, I don't know if Joe Rogan would eat this meat, bro He might as well take his own life You're in the story by the coked up bear And there's a there's a bunch of coke. Maybe you look up the coked up bear. This is another good story A guy was like drug dealing and like a pain crashed and he was like drug drug trafficking Kentucky and a bear Found all this coke and ate all of it and he was like he ate like a pound of cocaine He was like and then they found this bear and they found he was like just raging in coke in the forest and he died within like 20 minutes

Yeah, but they've taxidermy and he's like in a state hall or something. It's like the the the the craziest coke bear There he is Pablo Escobar But he died he didn't he did the most coke of any animal of all time Does Nick Cage now own this bear? I feel like he would buy the Oregon Bear out of the museum You probably probably take snort some of the bear's hair probably Dude, what about Swaley? I saw you had him on album. I know he's from Tupelo as well Yeah, yeah, Swaley actually my only show ever did in Mississippi was in Tupelo They used to do this they used to do that Christmas

At the casino or no, it was in it was in a um, it was in a like there must be a A basketball arena for there's a university around there or something. It was like 10,000 capacity Maybe northwestern Louisiana or something. It was no, it was in it was in Tupelo It was like there was like a little little tiny arena there where they had must-have country shows and things like that right we did a show there and honestly bro that show Gave me a lot of faith in Mississippi because I mean I'm from Mississippi Um, they're they're both from Tupelo the brothers and then you know Elvis was born in Tupelo

We went to his childhood home on our last tour. We stopped over there. The home he was born in that's in Memphis I think they uh, they the guys who sold him his first guitar came to my show They have like another museum there and he used to buy hardware stores just used to sell Musicians instruments back in the the 50s. I guess that's where you would buy not music shops They had to go to hardware store and they had a guitar up there and they had a his hardware store came and gave me like a Bunch of memorabilia and stuff, but that crowd was like I mean it was weird it was segregated like there was the groups of kids from different high schools But it was like the first time I think Mississippi ever had a show that was like equally

White and black and like kids were just new every lyric to every song and You know, I'm glad they let me open because the kids even knew who the fuck I was I was like up there DJing with them But it was the the mayor came out and gave me the key to the city. That's awesome. And um Great rumors. I mean those kids are amazing. They're like outcast to me like they're they're also like a like I said kids that don't They don't have the fucking rules like they grew up like probably listening to everything and Sway's voice is amazing We did a bunch of right. We did a record with a Ellie Goulding called close to me that went Yeah, I heard that man. Yeah, there we were right there. Yeah, that was in Tupelo actually So that was the home that yeah that Elvis was born and we just stopped there on the last tour, man

I'm a big Elvis fan Yeah, man, it's interesting. But then they also say that and I know we brought the guy up last time some of his some of his songs were bought off of a black Back then I think a lot of times they were I mean, he was definitely ripped everything off of the black rock ability you know Like early rock artists, maybe sure what the genre was back then but I mean he was He had like 5,000 songs like some crazy number in the beginning. I'm sure he had black songwriters

He wrote some stuff at Sun Studios with like, you know, Johnny Cash even in um, what's other guys used to write Elvis's records, uh Another another east Tennessee guy Waylon Jim, but I mean he was I mean everybody knows Elvis story. I mean he was definitely uh, no, it was it was in Sun Studios there's a picture of Johnny Cash Elvis and Carl, Carl Perkins and uh There's like the four of these guys. It was like an amazing vibe in that studio, but um You can say what you want. I mean, Johnny. I mean Elvis has a oh, he's still look very uh, uh, people loved him

Yeah, that this picture's sick. Look at this guy million dollar quartet. It's uh, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash Elvis, this bloody guy Right and Elvis got them baby cheeks almost like he has butt skin on his face. Yeah, beautiful face. He had a nice This early looks like I have Botox back Mississippi style. Jerry Lee Lewis. Jerry Lewis. Yeah, that guy was a freaking Bro, he's from Vidalia, Louisiana. He wouldn't that guy would have made it these days marrying a 13 year old Actually in hollywood, he still might have made it. Oh, he actually ruined his career He actually he went to europe and he just became like a it was like an early like tabloid thing and he couldn't really get past it

Wow, um, I saw him perform He was many him and uh, him and Richard Richard a little Richard had this crazy fucking beef Where they were like they were like they were like they were like always like asking who could headline the shows And I remember like it was always like they would play shows together. It was like who's who's the headliner? And um at one point either he or Richard just set the whole piano on fire And I walked up stage because they opened for one of them And then um, I think they became friends in the end like in the 80s. They did a song together, but there was like a beef

That's gangster, bro. Yeah, because they were both like this piano rocking southern dudes and then oh, yeah, man Oh, he's from Faraday, Louisiana. Actually, I think I saw him about five years ago Actually at his daughter saying a couple of the songs, but he would come out for like every other one They were kind of wheeling out, you know Piano on fire and played it show it story Jerry Lewis set piano on fire. Yeah That's like the good old days, man When you do a show and you're so mad probably fucking drunk as fuck and you're cutting you know, I don't know What kind of drugs you're doing, but then

Quay ludes or something, you know, you see you seen walk hard that movie with uh, johnsy riley Yeah, uh, oh my you gotta watch it. It's one of the fucking best music documentaries about it's fake But basically johnsy riley does everything like in vents country events like punk events like he just he's brian wilson In a round the studio Yeah for his company It's like he they kind of do the johnny cash song the johnny cash movie Walk hard or walk tall walk tall and they call it is it make fun of that But johnsy riley does every genre and like is this crazy country guy and has like 100 kids by the end of the movie

Does every drug. Yeah by the end of the movie Dude in that those days you were pulling up in town and somebody they literally somebody to say hey These are drugs and it would just be like almost the movie so funny because everybody's like he walks into the back room And his um, what's that? What's the black comedian that snl guy with tim meadows tim meadows every time he walks in the backstage Tim it was like smoking weed. He's like, what are you doing? Tim? It was like marijuana man, you don't want to do this And make what he's like, what does it do? It makes you feel happy and you meld you out and you feel great

You don't want to do this He's like, I think I want this marijuana and he does that and then the next like 10 years later He's like, what are you doing? He's like, it's called cocaine. So what does it do? It's like, I don't know man It's you don't want this it makes you feel great and excited. I'll try the cocaine He's like heroin like three years later and just like And it's not addictive at all. He looks like he looks like Jim Morrison in the picture. Look at that But uh, oh bro, you gotta watch this movie. It's my favorite movies of all time Wow, dude. No, I gotta watch it. I just watched uncut gyms last night. That's dark. Bro. It was good though

I wanted the guy to die so bad man because you just wanted the pain this Yeah, he was an addict and every there's no way there's no way this is gonna end well You just know like you got you wanted to get back with his wife Then you but the the side girl was hot and then you wanted to win But you know, you're never gonna win and then yeah, and then you want to then he does and then you're like, oh, fuck This came together and he dies spoiler alert Yeah

The last jim gets cut But what's awesome about the movie bro is the fucking soundtrack is phenomenal and I think it was a unique way to do a soundtrack It wasn't it was sound that I felt like there's my perception. It was sound that Made me feel uncomfortable. Yes, and it made me it was like sound that tried to get me just through small sounds And repetitive beats to get me feel a certain way one of my favorite musicians of all time is Han Zimmer And I love Blade Runner and the new Blade Runner. I loved even more and the soundtrack was so fucking amazing I love ambient music. I love that kind of like futuristic music and the guy who did the soundtrack I think his name is one oh point tricks

This is ambient guy and he just the fact that the director went with that guy to make a movie and he just It's so it felt so wrong when he when it's in the movie this the weird like sense But then he just yeah, it really puts you on edge on the on the right level for you to be uncomfortable watching that movie Yeah, I never felt like that. I never felt like what's I'm watching the movie. I'm enjoying it But also something else is happening to me. Yeah, and what is it? What is causing that? And yeah, it was just the it was the because soundtracks are really Difficult to do and like to make because you have to watch the film and like put it in You know, you got to kind of get get closure of the whole film coming together with the sound and that guy

He crushed it. I love that. I love that. I love the soundtrack more than the film actually When I listen back to it Have you been pushed to do soundtrack? Have you done it before? No, but that made that movie made me want to do it because I um during quarantine I haven't really worked on a lot of new music. I've been putting out this come some of the country stuff and working on some house Music, but I just don't don't first you don't want to do sessions because this isn't really You don't really want to get anybody, uh, you know sick or whatever you don't want to get sick But then I don't feel like you can't really sit down during this weird time

It feels a little more like less heavy than it did in march and april now Even though it's technically worse, I guess with other cases, but yeah, the vibe is a little different now It's not as it doesn't feel as uh anxiety attack feeling, you know, like you don't feel like you feel like there's some They're gonna be ending right like some people are getting out of it like new york city, for instance beat this thing You know, so we can do it But in the beginning I was like I had like a lot of anxiety attacks I just felt like weird you don't want to like write a song about like a love song You don't want to feel you can't write a pop song during all that

Vibes the energy is not right. So I was writing a lot of ambient music I was just like doing stuff with synths and making these records that were just like Like spacey and like no drums and I did a whole EP That I'm gonna drop at some point that just made a song I think I'm done during quarantine is like that kind of music Just sounds yeah sounds like kind of but you gotta it's like kind of classical music but with synths like I mean that's kind of what uh Neo classical music and ambient music is it's like you you put chords together and you kind of build things up with like arpeggiators And then you know, you know, brian, you know at all hear him he produced um

You too is joshua tree and he's like an ambient artist, but he kind of combined these new ideas with sound with pop records back in the 80s and just amazing I can consider him a composer. Um, but it's like yeah, it's like being a composer. I guess doing this kind of music I just didn't that do you get like a little bit jealous whenever you see somebody like do something like a loop hole or something Or kind of like you start to see the new thing. You're like, oh, yeah, I mean, that's how you work on music I just been I'm a producer uh more than an artist, you know, I think with this with the country album It's the first time I've done like a full artist record on a major label. But before that I've always just been like Beyonce won a record usher wants a record, you know a rock band wants a record or I work in the studio with different

writers and propose ideas and I come up with concepts That's what a producer does you kind of like You work with an artist and you think like even with riffraff you're like, how can I make what I like about this guy? How can I make the best version of him? That's what you do with anybody. Maybe it's Madonna. Maybe it's uh Adele whatever it is, you know, you aim for the biggest records and big artists Then you work with someone like riffraff because you're just like, this is fucking awesome. Like this is something really cool And I love what he does or sway Lee and you you know, you can find new artists too

But as a producer your job is to create Concepts and you know, maybe not even writing the piano like you can be like Rick Rubin and just sit back and just like fine-tune that Idea with the chili peppers Is it hard to figure out though? Like I sometimes I find even from myself from doing comedy and doing And just different types of things within the world. Is it hard to figure out what? What some of your real strong suits were and then to focus on those even if those went against like yeah

Like sometimes somebody, you know, I mean, I was gonna be the star sometimes But then you're like, oh man, but I'm so good at this But this weird idea of a star always I've never been really good at anything even playing music I mean I've always been like like I said I would come up with like weird I find the the loopholes where that no one was doing stuff like major laser started because like no one was making this like reggae And dance hall music, you know, and I had done stuff with this girl in MIA It was like my girlfriend at the time. We made amazing records. Oh damn dude And then I went to my this is just because it's full circle really quick

I defer I saw John C. Riley at an MIA concert in New Orleans at the it was it started like the house of blues No, this was in like a warehouse or something. It was like 4 a.m. It started, but anyway John C. Riley, yeah, I don't know if I was there because I DJed for a lot of her shows back in those days But we did this fusion She was an artist that really put me on to like how far you could go with just ideas and she had these ideas and She fucking crushed it and I I learned a lot from her and I think we started like major laser thing Because I was like no one's doing this and we could do it in a different way Like dance hall records and reggae because no one's doing it and it took a while

We made some big records and and then it grew it's but it was something no one was doing Yeah, and then back then no one was even streaming music You know we had we worked really hard in the streaming services because a lot of the majors were not really pushing streaming They were still fighting to sell physical copies and I did all independently we did it on our own and Um, I learned a lot from there But I think you find little projects like that people don't do and sometimes you take risks and they don't work I got my first album. I produced was a band called um

Rolo Tomasi and it was a fully metal math rock band. I didn't know what I was doing I just did it because I got it does my first job and then the next day I was working with Bruno Mars So we were doing like he was a songwriter back then when I first moved to LA I just did whatever jobs I had you just make your way up to where you could Hopefully place a big record with somebody and you don't learn a lot Like I learned everything from coming to LA and leaving behind the idea of being an artist and being like a A producer in the game here and then and then as I got better at that I was like kind of got sick of that

Like I don't want to write records of the people right and I started doing my own little projects and then And just being creative because you know doing a project writing the music is for me I think it's like 20 of the project The other 80% is coming up with the concept and the marketing and like what it is video things Like you think about the name of the style the way you're gonna address this project You kind of come up with these you create the artists and that's that's 80% of what artists are nowadays for in my opinion You have to come up with like a a real brand right and that's what people get first and the music comes secondly Like if you see someone like this fascinating you're like, oh, what is this and you dig into it?

You're like, oh the music is a great example Yeah, he's all brand. I mean he was just like his music is great too, but it's it's all brand but another Like Marshmallow another guy, you know like he's a DJ and I think you know He's he might be like 90% brand because he's just like the concept is so strong what he does It's so easy to identify with and um, then he puts out quality music as well Like it's these pop artists, but I mean he no other DJ could do that because they're just another guy Yeah, he's a marshmallow. So it's like right kids can gravitate to that really easy

And I think what he did is a great marketing campaign from the from the jump his manager and him really crushed that Yeah, him and came brown have that great. Uh, yeah, they got country record that great song. Yeah, um You know, I had that record originally that he sent it to me I was like, I actually was like Tex and can't it's like man It was like me and Marshmallow fighting for that record actually in the beginning because it was gonna be something for my project And then um, I lost the battle. Oh It's whatever came brown. He stole me a record, bro. Where are you? There you go There you go, man. I love came brown. Yeah, um, you know New Orleans when I was growing up the the a lot of the artists

over there were like the big timers and uh Uh, you know, uh, you watch that hip-hop evolution the new Orleans episode. Uh, uh, it's great I'm gonna rewatch this whole episode and write down all the things that the one in New Orleans starts with like master p And I mean New Orleans for me, bro. It's the I first of all think Memphis It has the longest, uh Cultural significance in hip-hop right people can argue me But like when you think about what music sounds like now hip-hop It all comes back to this Memphis sound like this aggressive this dark and the trap beats and like it's just lasted forever

And it was a small flash to the pan with three six and like eight balled mjg were doing it And then New Orleans was like the same kind of sound. They had this like electronic Drum sound they had like the love the electro and they loved like many freshers making you know Like these kind of like 808 sounds and they mixed it with the second line jazz and then big timers and then master p came up with the idea of independent label and he fucking crushed it and then Uh, it's cash money came out and then and they had this amazing bounce music, which I love so much and that's what I was gonna get to is the bounce scene Because uh, yeah, like big Frida like some of the Artemis. She's the most popular

But the bounce scene there has been probably the biggest thing it's come out of New Orleans. It's never left. And it's the same right Frida I was I worked with this um I worked with a couple bounce artists. There's fly boy Kino. There's sissy no be and it's it's very gay It's crazy. You don't realize how gay the hip-hop scene in New Orleans is Um, a lot of the rappers and labels, you know, you talk to like, uh, Uh, mystical or like, um, these guys I was with uh, I was a mystical in the studio No, and uh after you got out of jail and I had just done this record called express yourself with, um, Nikki the bee who was another gay bounce artist from New Orleans and um

It's like my fusion of like dance music in New Orleans bounce back then and I remember playing it for mystical in the studio and I was like, man Could he jump in this super game the video is gay too and I was like, can you jump in this record? And he no mystical said to me was like, bro, that's hard and that's actually New Orleans music and he knew that's like That's actually the scene. He wasn't like, uh Homophobic or anything, but he's like, man, I just can't come out of jail and do a like this record right now You know, I can't really like do a verse on a gay bounce record, but um, he was like, I'll be right back in jail He's like a whole group, but he's like but at the same time

He had respect and like knew that that's like real New Orleans music because if you don't realize like even the You know big freedoms in that record with the Drake that came out last year I don't even know that the doubt he because Drake's last album had a lot of bounce influences all in New Orleans records on it But there's not there hasn't been uh, there hasn't been a strong Hip-hop's been the only or bounce has been the only real music to come out of that area kind of I feel like there's that one rock band in the 90s Oh, you mean, uh, third, uh, third, uh, three doors down something like that Reaser studio when I worked on music with them Oh, I know you're talking about they're nice guys too. Yeah, that's the only other thing I know from New Orleans really

I remember running through the wet guys falling a step behind And there's another there's a jam man from New Orleans too, but I forget Oh Dude one of them owns a freaking restaurant where I take my step dad all the time and I mean if you can if you want to learn for me meters Is funk and country Completely mash you might just think they're funk, but they're like country bro And they're instrumental like meters or like when they're like one of my biggest influences of all time like

They're so dope like a norse funk is just like if you want to learn about music Norse is the birth of all all american music in my opinion. Wow like everything comes from New Orleans You know from the history of like it's a perfect combination of African music and european music and go back No, that's not them It's not three doors. It's it's not my third odd blonde dog something It's got one. It's like a one word name Oh, look at indie band new orleans. Maybe indie band

indie rock new orleans, but there hasn't been do you think there's a reason why there hasn't been a strong Hip-hop artists that's come out of there in a while. I mean you think there would be so Well, there's like there's is it NBA young boy from bad rouge Is that his name? Is that sure? He might be the biggest. Oh, there's also there's kevin gates. Yeah NBA young boys from emcee from bad rouge I mean, he's like one of the biggest More like low-key

Yeah, bad news. He like low-key. He's one of the biggest Figures in hip-hop and I don't even know one they'd be a young boy song, but like he just Every girl knows him and knows his music. He just is always And boosie, but he's living in Atlanta now boosie is That guy just came out of jail like he was like He missed all technology and then just came what is so great? He and he denied it. I asked him because he came and I asked him I said, did you think that because you were in jail you missed kind of like the evolution of technology?

So you came into instagram and we're just way too real. He was so real I mean he didn't it didn't register for him, but I thought that's exactly what I thought because I heard a story that he got out and is like Friends gave me my iphone. He's like, what is this like? He was like it was like literally came out of jail like Went from it was he missed the the the the clutch parts of technology hip-hop and just came back like insane like He's a legend though anybody you come back to him a lot people like if you do like that dirty hip-hop He he's the guy and that's I don't know much about Baton Rouge I mean I only went there once to um actually went to a little boosie. I did a I was in Baton Rouge for like my birthday. I had nothing going on

I was in New Orleans for my birthday when I like turned like 24 I just went by myself to like read and just I loved Louisiana just like go to bars and stuff And I had a friend there and we went to see boosie did a concert at a mall in Baton Rouge And I went and saw him before he went to jail and that's the only time I've been Baton Rouge was go see boosie at all So man, we had so much Love him dude when he left it was one of the first times I ever felt like Man, I wish he was still here Like I'll be scared as fuck to hang out him. Well, here's what I would have not even like I should have told you before he came in

I was I'll be so scared glenn davis was on. He's a basketball player big baby He played for the Celtics and he came on. He's like now boosie's a real gangster, man He said he's one of the last big baby play he played for the Clippers for a while. Yeah He played for Florida University, Florida. Oh, he played at LSU LSU. Yeah There's another guy Demetrius. Demetrius was another big giant center like fat basketball player. It was called Demet hook. I remember him Oh, yeah, I forget his name Big baby was a was not he didn't look athletic, but he was a clipper. We loved him He when he scored points, we were just the crowd went crazy for him. Well, he's extremely lovable. He has such a good

He does not look like a basketball player honestly, but he's 75 heart, you know, Demetri Hill is Demetri Hill He was big too. I remember watching him play, but he loves being he lives in Las Vegas now He loves being actually he just hit me up after Dustin Poirier won that fight and they ended up connecting, man Oh, there you go. No, that's is that the meat hook. Is that dead Demetrius? He played for Gators. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, it's him. He was a big boy Dang, it's always fun when you see them big boys do it, huh? It's always fun, man. Jack was big too, but he ended up he wasn't really that muscle He was he's but he's built like a big giant human being because a lot of the centers are not like that

Not once. Yeah, they really don't have that center position anymore. Shack in college We get through up a picture of Shack at LSU. He was lean at LSU, man. He was long I mean, uh, who's that, uh Lakers player. It's just like cut you don't think players with Lakers anymore. Maybe Rockets Uh Dwight Howard, he's just like oh, yeah first like buff basketball player. He's a model I feel like I always felt like he's more of a model. Hey, look at the little baby shack I mean you look at young Shack. Man, I DJ with Shack sometimes. He's like really? Yeah, he's I played his podcast this week and he did like a stream and he just

This guy is fucking dedicated to DJing bro, and he fucking loves it. He's a dubstep DJ and he's Most aggressive DJ I've ever seen in my life. He just goes dances in it Before quarantine every show he did he would go out in the audience to hang out with everybody in the audience And he just could see him. He's like towers over everybody But he's just like what is it you think that he that he that he just he really loves doing it Or he loves the vibe. I've never heard him ever heard him talk to him because he's just happiness, bro

He just loves he just found a lot of like contentment and like happiness after the game I think he became you know, he's on a sports commentator and just he's just smart and awesome. Look at this guy Bro the crowd He's just I love it. That's so crazy outside lands like he was one of the most aggressive DJs ever look at him He's came to fit in the booth Dude, so that's what it looks like when you're in there, huh? Yeah, I don't look like that, but it looks we gave you a smile

You're a small tiny Um, does it almost feel like sometimes like Like I notice on stage if I'm doing stand-up. I can feel a crowd. I can feel What's going on? It's almost like at some points. It took a long time But I feel like it's like that's when you get in the pocket like I'm an orchestra Yeah, and when you're good too at that point you can just like you said like then you just Flow, right? Yeah, let's just feel right that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can there's a can but there's an energy connection There's a in the beginning. It's this nervous other energy where it's like I'm trying to make sure I'm doing my job

Yeah, and then later it becomes this energy where it's like Oh, I'm I'm orchestrating The the feeling of this environment. Yeah, does it what is it? What is that feeling like when you guys are doing your job? I think when you DJ it's always It's it's even more at the stand-up. You have to really feel the rhythm of the crowd I've even picked the records you're playing. I mean, I'm a more of a I'm more of a open format DJ So I can I kind of do whatever I kind of improvise a lot of people just go their concerts and they kind of the set list You know, and I do that when I'm headlining somewhere except to program my lights

Um, but mostly I'm in Vegas. I'm like doing three hours. I'm just like looking at the crowd and playing records I want to play and then going where I trying to go there like, you know, with the jokes Maybe you go maybe it's not funny, but you want to push something or even a controversy Which is probably hard really hard for comedians. I mean you must walk the line now But you want to go as controversial then you pull back whatever so I think with with me as a DJ You still you want to like sneak things in and like okay, that's what that's what DJ is. That's what we've always been We've always been the people to Push the boundaries where the where the where the where the the purest form of the distribution chain like music happens

And we're the ones that give the people in the nightclub or somewhere where they can feel the music for real Like because you can't really feel it in your car on the radio You might get pop records We we make dance music and hip-hop to where we are our job is to is to push it as far as we can to be the best DJs Well, it's interesting It makes me think almost like if I'm in the supermarket You got the area where everything's like in the boxes and it's all boxed and packed is perfectly for you Then you got that produce area. That's a little while less, you know, I find an orange in a fucking cute area

That's the real food. Yeah, but you know, I grew up my sister I remember going to eat at her house like when I was back in town and she She only eats canned vegetables because we grew up like that and she has it's and I don't it's always like the public's cans or like Fucking uh, what's the other shitty s albert sins or pigley wiggly and she just doesn't ever been in the produce section Wow, she didn't know what it is. You know, she knew what a green bean looks like It was like that's wet in a fucking can unless it looked like it's been through It looks like it's been in guantanamo Green bean in a real one. She's like, what is that thing? I was like she's like green beans look like this and I'm like, okay

My family would just only ate cat a cans. I don't know what and my mom well I think it was just that time period too And I think it produces isn't what yeah, you know what produce section didn't really exist in like the 80s You might get some apples or whatever bag apples. You're gonna select your own apples. No, that's no the government's gonna select those apples for you Sorry Yeah, man, those apples dude. Yeah, those apples knew each other before they got here, you know I'll be damned if you're gonna feel you're not gonna You know back the fuck away from those apples. Here's your bag motherfucker

Damn, dude, that's so as an adult growing cropping. I'm like, I only go to produce on like buying shit But when I was younger, you never mom didn't let you go over there. Yeah, that's for the liberal, sir The democrats go shop for the produce section Why doesn't he have a wife nobody needs to pick their own pineapple that's we government does that for you Let's get a question right here All right, what's this guy talking about? Is he singing the demo That would have been a great idea like shaman does let's go now you're remixing podcasts

I hope you guys are doing great. Hey real quick. Theo. I'm sporting my Wildcat hit her down, baby bear down Diplo, I just had a question for you. Um, would you ever consider doing a fresh banger? With our boy to cost you six nine now that he's out of uh Out of jail and all. Um, I know Theo would love that. I So uh, my huge six nine fan honestly his music bro. He puts the music out and I wait for it I even show up at the time. Yeah

He's having a lot Instagram live. I gotta stop the car and watch it. I mean honestly, he's the first Just the fact that he broke down I mean, I just love him just for being just the fucking biggest punk ass there is like I'd love all that and I love that He hip-hop had this like kind of it's kind of boring now Like it's kind of like there's the older guys. They don't go away and they kind of like talk about the same shit And the beef and yeah, and they're all bullshit beef and he's actually just fuck you Fuck you. Here's your here's a picture of you being a bitch and like yeah He's not scared of anybody and I just love that he just

Kind of deconstructed hip-hop in a way and people are like no one can kill him. It's like impossible I don't know. He came and bothered the guy and I just Yeah, how can you not kill him? He's wearing the brightest In the whole world and he just has all these like yeah, he always said I'm rainbow hair guy and you what the fuck Why are you mad at me? Like I mean, I just love that he any any any didn't have the number one with that with this with the first thing a lot of jail and then he Learned how to do it and he did the you know Tied in with the sales of the clothes and the physical and just it's all big fucking hack at this point

He just hacked it and he like he learned from it and got the number one and every fuck everybody I love the actual fuck you the everybody that he did and he came and did it Yeah, so I love him and I would I'd love to work with him. I know is I know him um his his uh Uh, his label had really well. We worked on ideas back before he went to jail and um, I haven't connected with him since then But uh, I'm also not really doing hip hop right now But I would do something with him just because I love him as an artist Yeah, and it's controversial people by like Tell me that that sucks, but I just I fucking fuck with him hard. Yeah. Yeah

No, I feel you man. I do too, dude I'm like And I love how there's all these haters that he's against it's almost like this invisible world, you know that he's creating his head It's real renegade though. I think it is. Well, even when you said deconstructed I'd know I'd always heard people say I'm a deconstruct something But I never kind of knew what they were talking about But just now when you said that it there Yeah, because hip hop has these sort of like you think about these these rules and these little thing

And he just kind of like embarrassed everybody to like kind of like people had people actually don't be for them They're scared of him now because the fuck y'all doing I'm on house arrest. You can't win because he'll just do whatever You can't there's no rules for him, you know He's got and then he gets Nicki Minaj, which is crazy because they're always fighting over who's Nicki Minaj's boyfriend Yeah, but she she was with him on the other record Fifi back in the day I think she does also loves his She's very controversial too, you know, she'll say whatever the fuck she wants

And I got a record coming out with her really major laser this month and I love her and I honestly I worked with her a couple times Um, and she is a fucking hard worker, bro. Is she really? Yeah, I would never I've never really been a fan She as a rapper lyrically. I mean she's like no one's no one can touch her I feel like and then at the same time like I we did the song together and she went back and forth Like I'm just like small song, you know, maybe it'll be big. She like liked the record and she did it for me She likes me. I think um, but she just went back in the studio like four times to cut it I didn't even ask her to she's like, I want to change this part. I want to change this part and she went like a bunch of times asked me my

My advice on it and um a real pro. She's a real collaborator and she does it like her and Madonna are the two women that were just like They work harder than me and that's hard. I feel like I work pretty hard. So they both like It sounds you can do man. I wish that they could take your brain whenever you pass and to splice it into like Man, it's literally hallways of a library where people could walk through and see what you might be some stuff in there man, I don't know if you want to open that up We'll have a special area. I mean, I might need to define where you can Some of them got blocked off by those double doors Remember at the back in the day they used to have a video store and they would have the double doors where the

Oh the corner. Yeah, I would sneak in there all the time Growing up in florida like I would go my grandma's house My parents would just drop me out there like fuck the kind of Ford summer camp or nothing I had nothing to do They would just drive me four hours of new smartest little small town drop me grandma's and I could only walk In my little sand we don't have dirt roads in florida. We had sand roads Wow, and I would walk fucking mile to the video store my grandma give me like five dollars. I would just rent every WWF video there was I watched every wrestle me because I never paid for the pay-per-views

I watched like the last five years. I was well. I watched like one summer. I watched like 500 Wrestling contests and in every kung fu movie there was I just then I found the porn area Oh, yeah, couldn't rent those but I would go I'd go back there. I go right now go see those boxes Dude, I read the boxes with my dick out I mean just the awkwardest like going to the point and then rent going to and they're renting them and then Stand in front of somebody and have like a stack of like these dirty porno's like but dude There's almost more of a respect there. There's a line in the sand where you're like, okay Am I doing this or not doing this or not now?

It's too easy access. Oh, yeah, like you can be it's too much privacy back in there. You're you're freaking pervert We're gonna see yeah, who's a perfect person or you can stand outside There's always a sex shop too that has like the porno's and like in Philly. There's like this one little area They probably cleaned it up since I was living there But there was like one little area where they had like the shops where you just go and you can just jerk off and like Watch a girl behind a glass and they would do things. There's like this is like shops and then you go and there's video stores There's still those I mean in New York had that shit too. I know the idea of the sex the sex shops doesn't even like I guess it's not a thing anymore not full-on hookers. I'm talking about like

There's this area Philly or just like you see a real woman through glass. Yeah. Yeah, I did that in once in episode I've never seen that anywhere else though. She would just do it there You know, it's kind of like what it I guess what a a chat What's it called now that can grow would do yeah, but they're the next ones over there and Philly were probably pretty dude I remember this now you make me think of it this one time I was in Amsterdam and so they had a thing you go in this little cage kind of and everybody's glass opens up and And they there's a wheel. There's like a lazy Susan in there and it has people and there's like a man and a woman having sex And everybody's then you can see everybody see everybody else. I thought it wouldn't be a mirror to see that's awkward

You the mirror goes up every guy's already like So you realize you got you got to look right at the couple you can't be straight and visually and then the crazy part was Everybody else's slides went down after they were done after the 15 minutes or whatever Mine wouldn't didn't go down or something. So I had another crazy Watching the couple who were now dizzy from the things spinning help each other Yeah, it's like when you keep when you're kid on that one of the little Fair little fairs with the park and you'd let your kid walk away. Yeah, it's kind of drunk. It's always a fun One of his ears. I was 40 pounds

Um, do you know you've done so much with music over the years and especially so much I think With diverse let's get a question right here. This guy actually looks diverse. Let's get him in All right, what up Kev here from Toronto Diplo, where'd you rather party? Trinidad or Jamaica? So caradansal. That's a tough one. What's it gonna be? Um, I'm gonna say Trinidad. He's probably Trini looks like he's from Toronto has a big like Trini diaspora but I just had a baby in Trinidad with my ex-girlfriend and um, well, she's like my

She's an awesome girl and I haven't seen the baby because I I was gonna go there in March for a show and stay there for a month and then I've been we try to travel band after quarantine in Trinidad and um So I would go to Trinidad after I need to go there as soon as possible. But the city itself, uh, port of spain Trinidad is like people don't know this but it's kind of like this kind of Probably one of the wealthiest Caribbean countries has good surf has this amazing music culture, but it has this crazy mash-up of like You know european african and indian just kind of all like living there and little working in

This crazy music scene of course soca. They have reggae dance All we used to do parties there major laser had to show there every december And it was at this water park and it was like the craziest show we'd have like people on shoulders like water flowing everywhere Like crowd doing all the different dances together. And I mean Trinidad. It was just legendary and I missed going there to do shows But um, if you get a chance to check out Trinidad man for carnival I think it's like in the end of february same time right right before mardi gras So you guys I did a tour last year. I did I did I did um Or two years ago. I did I did carnival in brazil

Uh, had a had a show and I went to trinidad to see the see the car I didn't have to do a show there and then went straight to mardi gras And did all the the the circuit basically because it's all around the same holiday. So what was that vibe like was there like Obviously, they must have differed from each other 100% the the the carnival in in brazil is just like the super bowl I mean, there's like a samba drum. They have our own stadium just for the carnival floats and it's just the music is insane It's like the whole country parties at once. It's just so sexualized and beautiful at the same time everybody's so fucking happy and then um Mardi Gras

Just fucking trash like in the next level But we had this really awesome part I love it so much because I love I actually went to see some of the floats that car the mardi gras for the first song So I've been there for parties and I was like damn these floats are awesome like all the different Yeah, they're really cool. It was such a lower level But I'm like you see like The black community floats and like the second line They say the white people doing that the things and he just it's it's like the one thing everybody's kind of is together

Yeah on the side of the rose and seeing everything and I played a party with a good friends of mine Band called arcade fire. You know those guys. I've heard of him. Yeah When butler is the the lead band guy and he's he's also a basketball player And he has a party there called carnival crew and it was amazing. It was like drag queens and like we had um Chapa played with me and it's like um He dj's like Haitian band playing Haitian music and it was like just like just really like multi-cold it was like amazing party and um, just like the most inclusive party you could you could have in new

Orleans like there's a lot of that there. That's what that's that place is kind of anything That's why I'm saying like the bouncing is is gay um The city itself is so diy like kids go there like punk kids There's a lot of punk bands like in New Orleans and like punk kids they go there and they they can get a warehouse space And they have a little commune and they build they make their own little restaurants or whatever and it's like you don't have It might sound fucked up. I think Katrina Might have done the most work to preserve the culture of of New Orleans because right before Katrina happened

It really felt like New Orleans was was destined to be this big destination And like people were buying property and hotels were coming in their restaurants And the Katrina just wiped out all the investment like in a way and people left There was like like 400,000 people and before Katrina only like 200,000 left Yeah, and and the city had to start over again But what didn't stop what didn't stop was that all that cultural movement didn't really end and it just got bigger and more It's isolated, you know, and you need the isolation kind of to build sometimes and I think I just think New Orleans for me is is like the

My favorite place in the world to go all over the world just because it's spontaneous And crazy and you don't know what's gonna happen And I love that. I love that. Well, you know, it's so interesting. You talk you talk about the the investment side of it it's funny like You know something really unique and special can start somewhere Um, be it a festival be it like a vibe anything But then eventually money comes in because they want to own stuff in the area. They want to make it bigger and then it kind of like

It it weakened stuff over time, you know, but it's so funny because if you but if you didn't have money in the area But then it's it's funny because it's like we want money in areas to help to help But then it's from no money that usually Really beautiful things can come from art comes from like, you know desperation a lot of times So it's so funny to just have that dichotomy. It's like you like when I was young man I'd given anything to be able to for us to have some money from my mother not to work for You know to just have a little bit of time where we could have I don't know just felt like not ashamed of who I was or something. They're just I don't know

You know, we I wish we'd had some money a little more comfort. Yeah, but then it's like But you had to work you had to work harder to do what you do, right? I think for me like I moved to Philly Uh to go to university and I had like nothing there like temple. Where'd you go to temple? Yeah, dude? Temple's fucking wild. If you get up there on is that front street? What is it? My parents want to visit me. It's on a fucking bird market and cease to be more It's somebody trying to crow to drop off fucking cocaine for him up. Oh, yeah The drug they run they run they run drugs on birds up there People would park in the middle of the fucking street and go do it

But if you just go if you just go temple is like a little bubble of like, you know, university But any outside of that area north Philadelphia just looks like Apocalypse now like it's burned out buildings and like it's just it's fucking street by street just crazy ghetto from like From cease to be more all the way like 40 blocks up kind of endless like And it's it's I worked up there when I went to temple. I ended up graduating. I didn't even graduate I got out my fourth year I left because it's like fuck this fuck school

And I got a job as a social worker and I worked up in these high schools up there Wow, and um pretty gangster on it was fucked up, man. I mean like Back to the drugs we're talking about. Um, we weren't talking about drugs. I was talking about I'm always talking about it in the back of my head But uh, the kids the kids I was working with Or just so geeked up on riddling like they weren't even they didn't even one of the kids couldn't even read One of my kids and they didn't care It wasn't like let's teach the kid read like getting riddling so he doesn't bother any other kids in school

It was like fucked up and these kids were just like building these the government was actually building these drug addictions for these kids From like 10 years old already. Yeah, and that's how you put that's how you this just there was no there's no There's no idea to fix this Fucking place they lived at and like helped with their parents who were you know dealing crack on the side There's never like how do we fix the situation the kid lives? It was like just give him some drugs so we can move on Yeah, that was like the way that the government in the city dealt with it And I did that for a little while and I just fucking quit and um, wow, honestly

I learned a lot from that was my hardest job ever had was doing that doing that it was called tss It was like therapeutic staff support I went to schools with the kids and like helps like wrote notes about the kids and helped them with whatever He needed and stuff like that like one-on-one with a kid for a few weeks And um, it was rough to see like that that I was like literally shadowing this kid every day helping him And doing reports on what he was doing. You know, it's funny. I remember growing up like one of the hardest things was like Uh, just the amount of poverty that there really isn't a lot of the black community, you know um

And in the white community too, it's just a little bit different. I feel like but um, I mean there's there's so much Poverty in in america still like and it's gonna get worse and worse for what we have right now I mean just living in la you see the homeless situation How insane that is and to see when you move here for the first time I actually used to take people skid rotors to be like who are from europe I'm like, have you ever seen this something like this because it's like block by block And it's like a little community there and um, you know, a lot of people that are homeless in california Are like have mental health problems where they have they actually can't exist in a normal way

And they have that's like the last resort for them to survive is let be homeless But I've noticed during this pandemic There's a there's a little I live in hollywood. There's like one overpass and it just keeps growing Small little community there and the people are younger and younger and they're not even like Um, maybe they have mental health problems, but their kids are like they're well put together They have like some of these girls like punk rock girls like every day. She's up at like seven putting her mohawk in But she just lives in this tent because she You know when it was a stay-at-home water she had nowhere to go

That's probably lived with her parents or whatever and I had to leave so I think a lot of kids We're seeing a lot more of this poverty situation happening with young people that never happened before and I think that's not being addressed And la is just it's a fucking a lot of homeless going on here and I think it's a lot There's a lot of money here too, which is shocking, you know, it's really interesting I mean, even here you say about when you were doing the tss stuff and and that water bottle might be uneven on the bottom of it I saw my fall. Yeah, just got it. What you took the I know I took the lap labels off. I don't know why we did actually that pulling spring sponsorship I think because it was I think because we were giving out poor waters. We're gonna do Dasani for now

Dasani sucks core water. I didn't I was I invested in core water. Did you really in the beginning? I made a lot of money out of core water. I love core water It sold to dr. Pepper and I got dr. Pepper stock at the end. I was like what How do we do you're just selling I finally deals like all right now Dude, dr. Pepper was one of the only beverages when I was growing up. There was like five beverages and one of them is dr. Pepper Well, here's the thing I wanted to say so like it's interesting because throughout time it's like, yeah, they try to put different things into communities It's like like you were saying they try to uh You know, they'll try to diversify communities like oh, let's bust sand kids from different places

Let's let's try and flood it with um drugs. Let's use oh drugs will be the solution, you know I think we're starting to realize over time that or money Let's just try and pump money and I think money definitely helps, you know You know, a lot of people talk about white privilege and I think a lot about green privilege I think there is some white privilege Yeah, but I don't know if but I know that money like you go to you look at a place like Atlanta I was talking with Boosie about it and just when you see that wealth when you go to Atlanta and you see for the first time Remember the first one went there was just it seemed like just like a the place where the Braves play right and then over time

It's become you see wealthy black people and you see Oh, this is what happens when a community of people has money They are they live more I don't want to say comfortably like in their assets, but comfortably inside of themselves as a human, you know Like you don't see I mean, I think the kids that I grew up around where it was like, you know kids It just were just you know Some of them didn't have parents kids like 15 20 years old couldn't even read

You know even the even the music scene I think coming from Atlanta recently a lot of these kids Um, you know when you grew up hip-hop, you know rappers came from like the lowest parts of a city Or it was like they had to claw their way out to make music and I think the last 10 years You have kids from the suburbs. Yeah, I actually are like changing the game like a little not-sex good example He's like, uh, I think I'm not gonna speak on his family. I think he might be middle-class kid, but he's like he had the opportunity to Put his energy in something that maybe he was he wasn't gonna be a rapper

Right, right, but it wasn't middle-class. We've been able to have that ability and then he changed the game They like the biggest record of all time actually and I think that's something that happened because of um You know putting people in a position where they can have a little more opportunities because at some point I'm a firm believer that anybody in america can honestly make their way up to to where they can I know that I'm gonna have a lot more opportunities being a white guy Right, my parents put me in a place that was made it help there my father, you know, he was Dirt poor He had um, no opportunities

He had to go to the vietnam war just to get it He was like not even have a job just to get a gi bill to go to college and you go to college He's like late 20s and he's the only person to go to college at a like whole generation of his family Like 100 years and he and he made it And like went to college graduate like in the third like when he's 30 or something and got a job at a hospital Worked his way up to have a great job at a hospital And put me to college like gave me the funds to go to university central florida So he didn't spend that much money, but but I would have never done it

I wouldn't I wouldn't I mean I can I can get a I can get a student loan now Which I suggest never doing like to anybody because I think it's the biggest sham there is but I My dad was able to do that and I think And he also maybe being white, you know in down south also probably helped him secure a job in different places Like miss it be or um, alabama But at the same time I think it's possible for anybody But it's different

Like the road is going to be a lot flatter from for me to climb Then it's going to be for a young black guy who has to go up, you know, hi, but if you're in the middle class That's you know, I think The economy doesn't really see race. It's like an algorithm. It sees zeros and numbers it sees numbers, right? You know, like I think Tech funds all these things like that doesn't like they're not right inherently racist our our Our political social economic system in america is inherently Racist not it's probably by default because it's been built that way and you can't you know, you can't deconstruct it that easily

But right it takes time. It does take time, but I think yeah, you said like money is going to give people More experiences that they can that they can take. I mean having disposable income is you're going to spend money on music You're going to go to concerts and when we're when the economy is good Actually, the music scene grows a lot more and I mean right now You're not going to have a lot of new music in 2020 because no one's touring people are scared to put out the records No one's writing no one's spending money at shows People are surviving. I mean even as you said, you know, it's like not a time It's a you know when people are it hadn't really been the time really to make maybe new music

Yeah, you know, um, it's funny. Yeah, I think you know, piggybacking on what you're saying It's like yeah when you're surviving when you have to spend expend energy surviving You don't it's hard to fantasize or imagine or to Dream or to you know, you can't it's really hard to do both like me. I never had an opportunity I didn't start making music till I was like 20 like really putting my energy into it. So I was like 1920 most kids like they started like Billy Eilish like at 11 12, you know, like I was as even as a DJ. I didn't put my first record. I was like like 26 and that's like

I'm a grandpa, you know a rapper If you're if you're not coming out at 16 years old now, you're like, yeah, your grandpa Yeah, who was your oldest fuck. So who's his dad? But I think um, I think now kids have that That opportunity like they have a little like I said like SoundCloud. They don't need that They don't need that fucking the the ceiling they can they can break through. Yeah, you have a good idea good concepts but right now there's not a lot of But we're in like a tick-tock generation like music's kind of we're only digesting 15 seconds of songs right now

Yeah, it's almost you have to have that hook. Yeah, which is not I don't think a lot of tick-tock records don't don't make artists though So it's I hope it's a phase. I don't I'm not mad at tick-tock and I've had I've used my tick-tock to my advantage sometimes But I think a lot of the songs that come out you get this guy Has a song a tick-tock that's like shoot. I'm not gonna give you examples like might be have like Become a number one record and still only has like, you know, 30,000 followers on instagram because no one's actually checking for the artist They're just looping this moment. It's about the influencer that's that's doing it. Yeah, I think tick-tock is just like it's this weird Yeah, I don't know if it if those people become real artists off of there Yeah, they don't I think it's a trend thing

But I think hopefully there might be someone that comes out of it that you're like, oh, you know soundcloud rap came out I thought it was all kind of garbage and then x x x x temptation came out I was like this guy a real artist came out of it Yeah, and like had like like kind of put the whole thing on his shoulder even at six nine everything he came out It was like he survived it and lasted so But all those other rappers that had like songs out, they're gone, you know It's like they had like one month people played the records and it was hype and then Do you feel like because you you know, you do I mean

You know, you really love to experience different cultures. It seems like and and I mean you talk about it's at the forefront of your communication You know, like do you feel? You know, a lot of people get accused of cultural appropriation and stuff these days which You know, it's it's a huge discussion topic really But I feel do you but sometimes it's you're more of a liaison for cultures. I feel 100% I'm a cultural appropriator. I mean, I think that's I think I just don't think there's anything wrong with it. Like even even if even just me doing country music I'm a pro. I wasn't like, you know, I'm starting doing country

Fucking rodeo. Yeah, like I wasn't born like I don't belong. Yeah, you weren't in Dallas buyers club or something So it's not like it's not But like I think anything you do culturally like I don't think I think what what am I supposed to do? Like what to find I grew up in Mississippi? I mean, I Florida myself to like ride alligator or you know, just like work at Walgreens. I don't know There's not any I don't think anybody should be defined and if you if you put Rules on culture and music you're setting yourself up for like Constricting anything any ideas. I mean, right someone should say little not sex. You know, you're not allowed to do this

You're not allowed to make country music um, I'm actually I started doing like more Random music earlier in my career to where if I started doing like major laser now I would probably would never have flown, you know, like or if I did like I looked back at like my video My bounce video for expression stuff that's new Orleans. I can never make a video like that now like girls twerking I'm like the only white guy in the video and like I'm DJ. I'm like in downtown New Orleans I mean like I looked back and like that was the moment that couldn't happen now because there's like rules and regulation to that um

Is there uh, I I think yeah, I'm a liaison as a producer. I'm just that's always been my job I've been fascinated by music right the people that that that inspired me Something like David Bowie, you know, he did funk. He did, you know, he did glam. He did like folk music His biggest hit was like let's dance with Niles Rogers. I mean, I was like full on like the guy who did chic I mean, he just and no one ever said like he's you know Culturally appropriating something. He just was an artist. I mean art is art Yeah, and you have to be influenced like you have to be influenced by things. I mean my favorite Uh, Richard Pryor is my favorite comedian. Chris rocks my second favorite comedian and my others

It's got him Jerry Clower actually who's out of Yazoo City, Mississippi. I'll have to send you some of his stuff man Yeah, you've literally since you've sat here with maybe one or fucking listen to someone's more music I mean, I think with music also we I owe a lot like a band like the clash is might be like my biggest influence Because they started with punk. They did reggae. They did hip-hop And they had a record my favorite record of all time might be rock the Kazba was like political. It's a dance record It's beautifully done. It's produced really well. And um, if they came out today with people been like, what are you? What are you doing that? You know, like what are you doing?

But I think that argument I've been hearing that argument about culturally appropriating music for like 20 years I just don't go away people listen to my music If they like it, they like it. I hope that my music Um affects you to where you want to listen to and you're like, oh, I love this. I love this country Even with the country stuff. I mean national is not fucking with my country music sometimes I think you listen to it. They're like, uh, but if a kid like I'm making it for that 14 year old kid driving around Like I don't he doesn't he doesn't think about like the rules when he listens to my music I'm like, oh, this isn't supposed to listen to that, you know

Um, and in fact, he probably doesn't want to listen. Yeah, I think I think you shouldn't But I think he should have a lot of education on music because I am as a DJ I've been I know so much about music. I think that's my that's my only that's the only thing I've done So I know where I came from. I know That um, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for black music even like black and gay music when it comes to house records Um, I know where the roots come from and I know to show support and love when I can those people because that's actually my That's what I can do for those people who are in the scene. Like if it's like a young black DJ I'm gonna fucking book him over another young white DJ just because or if it's a young woman because

That's something I can do right and that's actually important if I can make music and get to a position where I can help other people make more music That's the best thing to do that. I mean, it seems like you try to do that with your label Yeah, 100% is it but is it it does get hard to juggle though doing your own and then also being a producer Does it hard to get Joe? Is it not really? I think that um, I used to just always Good example like Beyonce I always work a record for Beyonce to Rihanna and if they wouldn't take it I'd make it my record You know, I worked to make it for them because those are two artists. I was like I was constantly, you know, they managed like can we hear some ideas and I would focus on that

And then I would never get the record done for them But I would just I'd be like, okay. I made this great record that they didn't take like Good stories like lean on my biggest probably record I ever made With major laser was written for for Rihanna originally and the story is I played in the studio and she just was like Not fucking with it. Wow. And um But blessing because I own the master of that record, you know I like I made like shitload of money and and the record reached a lot of people and I was proud of it And we made a video in India actually

Damn with like with like no money like $75,000 and then if I made that video today People would have fucking it would be canceled, you know, because like I love we're just like we're just chilling India I had a show there had played for all these kids like let me just I'm spending the money I made the show on the video and you know here and we had the A girl came out and at the video. It's actually nice and awesome. You know, it's a vibe people are gonna Criticize it. I mean, you're gonna get criticism all the time. You're gonna get haters I've had it so long. It's hard man. It's hard not to and especially these days. I even worry more about comedy It's like how can I talk about stuff? How can I try and share?

You know my truth or share like, you know, what my story is or even what my thoughts are Yeah, without being I think sarcasm is lost that sucks for comedy because sarcasm is a fucking art form, right? And I think and people don't fucking get they don't they don't they don't even take a time to like realize it Then you get stuck on like the the quotable or whatever and then you're you get fucked on something that you don't You're not you listen to the context of my joke or whatever and I think that's Comedy should be indifferent to that but it's never Yeah, I don't know how it how it gets back to that because yeah, it's like my first net my first Netflix special is A lot of his real tongue in cheek. It's almost like a character

You know in a weird way and yes, some people take it verbatim and it's like, oh, you don't see what I'm doing You don't see what's going on here. You know, but yes sarcasm is really it's hard You have to be if you're gonna still go see a comedian you have to give him artistic license I think it was a fan you should And if something happens and you in the person in the it's taken out of context dig into it and that person can defend themselves too I think it's it's fair enough, but um You should be careful because you if nothing else I think cancel culture is pretty fucking whack But if nothing else it does help to

Take away some of the things that shouldn't be done, right? So but I think we're gonna survive this and people are gonna like what they like If there's something's funny and they know it's you know at the end of the day be a good person be kind No, be informed about things Um, I think but you know when it comes to deep on the police of black lives matter things like that I don't want to talk about politics in the show But I think if you get into it and you kind of just read a little bit you can understand a little bit more about what these Ideas what the concept is the words themselves are really scary. Well. Yeah makes me think I mean

Yeah, if you stay on twitter, you're just gonna get in fights, but I think if you you know It made me think, you know, and I see you as a big proponent of it and you know being out and involved I saw you and I don't involved in the protests and stuff on your on your instagram and Um, it makes it's made me think as a person and then also as a white person What Do I have differences when I look at a black person? Do I have? You know, do I have different behavior? You know, it just it started to it's definitely made me think that and that's and that's the best thing of it Yeah, how does it make me think what?

You know, like am I driving past impoverished neighborhoods? Whether they're black or white or any color it makes me think like and and thinking oh man Those people don't have anything right, but then thinking well, what am I doing anything in my life to help be a part of? You know the solution like yeah, and even as you said like you were working as the tss and you know And then they tried drugs to help with the kids and then they try like well, let's bust kids from different areas That'll change it. I think in the end it's human connection really hundred percent that that kids get together I think you see South Africa. I was bringing that back up again. These young people um like

Like these kids are like like a young black guy. I was talking to and he's like his girlfriend was white and um He didn't ever he like never thought it was weird, but of course his parents and her parents probably were like Scared a little nervous. Yeah, I think for them And those are kids are going to change the world like those kids that have this New definition of what it means to be oh, yeah, white a young person You bring a black kid over and they're like pass the bread and then like dad'll be like you want me to bounce pass it Like you're gonna have to make a funny joke and you're like, oh my god I mean my dad and parents like they're still but they're trying sometimes

I root for them but yeah, like the honestly what's happened all this attention on on on Information is turned a lot of like my nephews and stuff who were like actually probably borderline racists about two years ago Are a lot smarter and they live in a diverse neighborhood like their high school's probably half like half white But they had it like it's like jail You had to like kind of like go you have to like fucking find or click and live with it like you know, yeah If you're a white person go to jail, you have to join you have to join a white supremacy thing immediately It's only way to survive. I mean it's like kind of sucks, but it's like that's the fucking definition

We have in like in a high school same thing. Yeah, you're German You're German So I think like we have We have that's gonna be hard to get past that, you know, but I think um At the same time, I think my my nephew's like I talked him a little bit I'm like, why do you write something like that on Twitter because I was like I was like kind of concerned about him and then like I had to kind of explain to him like not in a attack him way, but I'm like You know, it's kind of thinking about things and you know, I think um

It helps just like conversation. It's like literally it's hard because there's so much Misinformation like honestly because we just it's it's it's not really in our face when we see the problems that we just kind of cover them up So right it's up to everybody. You just got to learn. I mean if you go to school and you have everybody to learn Yeah, you got to learn And it's but yeah, and I think sometimes I even feel like attacked as a white person. It's like well, is it you know, some people don't want To talk about you know equality or talk about some people also are they just want to be controlling and they you know So you have to it's hard to like kind of You know, it's just it's tough. It's a tough balance because a lot of a lot of people are just it's tribal

You know that people feel like this is my tribe. I'm white and I have to have to fight for this or whatever They don't realize like that's in black too. Yeah, same thing that people think and I think that's what You know, we're in this position You know and when Trump his whole campaign is like based on division He doesn't have a campaign stance, you know, I'm not gonna endorse anybody but I think that It's so easy for him to do that because that that disinformation that tribalism is what creates Any energy for him because he has no energy otherwise because he has no stance in anything. It's like no he has like no

No purpose as a president is like no nothing shady I've always seen him as a shady businessman kind of which sometimes in some aspects of a, you know It's what a lot of america's become. Yeah, so i'm not shocked that he's the i mean he's a we it's a But emotionally he doesn't have to he doesn't appear to have that Ability to connect on an emotional level or to under emotionally understand. I love it I love him someone asked him like his favorite bible Chapter He's like i'm not gonna answer that. I love the whole book

Old testament to testament. He's like I love him equally But there's like he has no idea about he doesn't even read the he never read the bible's whole life But like what a black testament white testament. He's like love him both. Yeah, he just doesn't he doesn't have any opinion Dude, it's almost you know, it's so funny. You talked about wrestling earlier. Everything is turned really into the wwe It's all about 15 second bits. It's all about fucking wwe though Goddamn the racial stereotypes and how crazy it was But it defined me as a kid. I learned about everything like there was like I loved them No, it was like there was like the fucking there was like sergeant slaughter. There was the junkyard dog. There was the fucking

Australian dudes. There was a fucking chinese guy. There was a sirenian terrorist But even sarge thought it wasn't a good guy. He was a bad guy. It was like there's no rules It was like hall kogan became a bad guy for a while. It was like cocoa beware came in with that bird on his shoulder Everything was like the most they just built the stereotype so crazy and as a kid you like learned about everything you learned about We were like to tonka. Yeah Wow, that's one of your favorite wrestlers and yeah, but that's how a lot of us learned about dude the only He's probably a hero to tonka, right? You probably love you're like, fuck. Yeah. Here's my guy I had a hatchet that he would come out with a hand. There was no definition

There's no good or bad like after a while like everybody was bad or the good that he part turned to a heel If he was there long enough you become the heel, right? You come the guy that's like the evil guy Totally they got to spin it around. Um, I got one last question. I want to ask you I'm just trying to remember what it is in my head real quick Um to Tonka and and I could talk to you forever, but I just you know, uh, Ricky the dragon steamboat too Oh, dude, that was the only Asian person I knew was Minyokozuno came in at the end. He was the sumo guy iron chic iron chic. I may remember iron chic He got big on twitter because he yeah, he he uh, he DM me sometime

He had this amazing iron chic and hacks all Jim Duggan story Where they were like on a coke bender together and they got arrested in like Alabama or something And they were supposed to be like arch rivals like hacks on Jim Duggan like the pro mayor Oh, yeah, I remember iron chic was like the like Iranian terrorists and they were like they've partied together and then they animated the story once they got caught by the police And they had to get they had to go to jail together And they got caught like other friends and it kind of ruined their whole fucking story Did you see the documentary the jacos, uh, did you see the jacos snake documentary? No, I gotta watch that and it's so good

He's he no has he become governor. Oh, no, that's jesse ventura. Yeah Jake is taking his best thing was though Sometimes he he had to check the snake and they would put it down below in the plane and the cold air would kill the snake So he was literally gotta get a new snake all the time or sometimes he'd bring out his bag with a dead snake in it And it just it never came out Damn, you could have been an emotional support snake nowadays But they have those are they have those there's a woman that had a kangaroo on a plane They had a horse like recently they took the horses out though. That was too crazy

Um, I love these guys. Also, you can be a fucking wrestler and be like 45 and just still be like a sex symbol I need those i'm 41. So I need to like Figure out my next movies, man And where are those tights, man? Do you have a uh, you know, I look at john mary sometimes fit either like and no You just had to be a fucking man, dude. They're not Some real gay wrestlers to come out. Oh, there was gold dust Oh, I didn't even know gold dust was the gate was he was like borderline gay. You don't know But you didn't even it wasn't even like a controversial thing racism. I mean, I was like

It was a no rules, man Well, don't you find how interesting it is? Gold dust wrestler. I think he was I think it was dusty rose sun Don't you find interesting how online people are one way and in real life. They're a different they're different Yeah, I mean, I'll also be online is anonymous. You don't have to be anything. You just be fake People like inherently like racist is because they want to do that But I mean talk that's what the kind of the online world kind of sucks Yeah, because you don't really get a real person out there anymore You know, yeah, it's funny because you would argue with someone online

But if you met with them and just and had the same conversation You would not it probably wouldn't be an argument. Also people like, you know, they want to they want to Stroke controversy and they like just they'll do it for fun tweets and just to get a little hype on things like some guys Some other dj is right like call me out during this whole process moment And I'm like, I know the people and I'm like, bro, you're gonna get a couple retweets for this and I'm tm Like, you know, are you gonna like this forth like not having a friendship with me anymore for this and some of them Just like, you know, how to cut people off sometimes. I just like yeah They get just to get a little hype get a little retweet is like talk to me if you have a problem

You know, like let's do something. Let's hash it out. Yeah. Yeah, let's discuss it and here's a here's post Malone's son I Can hear it What's funny because that's what I was gonna ask, you know, John may have seen him do comedy before Yeah, and he's I thought he was extremely funny for a guy who Doesn't get to get reps like everyone else because and the reason he says he doesn't is because I can't get up there at a blank slate anymore. It's just they won't it's not how it's gonna interact with society You know, you get people get to get up and practice the blank slate. Yeah

So and I think he would have been a great comedian. Is there is there something else you like, uh, but he just didn't have enough time It's funny with life. You only get really so much time I mean he he I saw him once do at the peppermint lounge with Dave Chappelle And it was one of those ones you lock your phone up And I think it was a lot of the stuff that was on Dave's like, yeah, Netflix special or something like two years ago Yeah, yeah, so I did a lot of that a lot of that material and it was pretty controversial and I think you kept some of it out Um I can't repeat some of it, but it had like any Murphy in the front

It was like all it was like a and it was awesome because it was like that was like a no fucking holes bar Like do whatever he wanted without the phones because you can't really yeah word of mouth He does something controversial no one cares right a video of it. Yeah, it's like It's it's it's evidence or whatever right and clubs have started doing that lock in your phone. Yeah Which is which is kind of which is kind of the only way to keep keep people like that's it's your experiences here You're not going to take this and go get a gotcha moment on a comedian or something Yeah, but he did it with john mariners. Awesome. They did like them. It was very Improvised, which I think the whole thing was improvised and that that's scary to me

But they have reports like a podcast I guess right you just kind of I mean we wouldn't be very good on a common stage But maybe maybe we have to put some practice a little bit But uh, they had it they had to they had the chemistry and just works Well, john, I think john, but I just thought I feel like john is just a genius and in almost you could have gotten into a couple different things You know, but he got into music and so that's where his creative his his current mood is awesome though His little tv show he does. Oh, yeah, that's great on instagram live He was the first guy to do before all these before there was like porno's on instagram live

Which took over he was like had the first popping instagram live and it was really funny and very clever and he's Fucking smart guy. He's a really smart guy. Do you but do you see but is there something else? Do you feel like man if I'd have had more? Um, like do you think you could have been? You know, you're a great producer. Do you think you know an entertainer musician? You think it could have been something else? I'm always I'm like a cultural agitator, you know, you might say like like, you know Appropriate whatever it is

I think that you can go in and read a lot about what cultural appropriation means But I was always felt like a cultural agitator to where I'd like I went to school The reason I went to temples because I went to school for for anthropology Because I was obsessed with culture like literally I was obsessed with like what it means to be human being like what? What it is to be creative and what is it? What defines you from who you are to create what you are and I was obsessed with like The history of people in like different places like what a Japanese people dress like this and why do they make music like this? And what's hindu religion about and like, what does it mean to be like?

Uh, you know, maybe uh, what's it like to be living in texas and like work out of cement factory? Like what is this? Like this is what I was always obsessed with and I went to school for Anthropology and and documentary filmmaking and I was like I really wanted to bring People and in culture to life and in a clever way in a new way and I worked on some documentaries I even made one a couple years ago before I started making music about brazil Because I was like obsessed with like the music there and the culture and the weirdness of it It's just fucking weird like no one. Yeah Salvador wants and it was wild

No, because that place is just defined by it's a fucking mess. There's no it's like It's european. It's portuguese. It's african. It's indian. It's japanese. It's like all those things create something And um, that's what that's why I've kind of like always shy away from like discussing like what it means to Create culture because new cultures mutations and it has if to for it to move and for things to be created You have to put two things together that they shouldn't belong or that are random like, you know A japanese like we go to in sau Paulo. There's a neighborhood called liberdade and it's one million japanese brazilians live in this neighborhood And you walk around and see like japanese guy's name like You know Miguel Carvalho Kawasaki, and he's got like long hair and he's fucking walking around like a fucking g

And you're like that's a son. I bet yeah, but that's like that's a real fucking right. That's a thing That's like I like I love that that exists and like what What's like what's comes from that and like the what why is there samba music or or basanova and it comes from these things that Just explosions, right and that's what culture is to me and I always want to be part of that I love that. We love culture man. So even if it's not just the music Music just seems to be the easiest way for people to to To digest culture is like music because that's like going to be your introduction to country music your inductor to like african music This the music is it you don't have to read about the history of africa to like understand a nigerian record

It just affects you right so that's why I love music and the idea of culture But um, I would love to work back in film and documentary That would be cool if I get older because I mean, you know, my days are numbered as a dj I hope that I want to be like a 55 year old Dj if I if I can make it that long, I'll do it to pace the bills, but I'm being at the end of day I want to I want to age gracefully and do more do more things. I think music was one thing I do Maybe it's film and tv next. I don't know. Yeah Maybe I want a piece of shop or something

Yeah, maybe a woodworker. I could see that dude Would you um I have to fucking pee so bad man. I have to pee too. Yeah, if you want to watch this movie It's it's a it's an hour. It's hour and 25 minutes, but it's not that well done But I funded the whole movie by myself like I would get shows I'll go back to brazil favela on blast Yeah, I would get money from shows and go back to brazil and bring a camera and like shoot No, I shot it with you. It's a guy in brazil. I knew named leandro. He's a filmmaker that met I worked at this magazine called colors

As a as a young person I got a job there and I met a bunch of filmmakers and stuff And I just kept in touch with them before internet, you know, and this is like 2007 or something No, it doesn't or 2004 and I just met some creative people when I met this guy We made a movie together and um, I would never ever suggest doing something like this on your own Like I just like the biggest weights of money I made like and having like the pressure of creating it and like having like Be stingy on the budget like everything I made money wise. I put back a movie for that couple years So and yeah, you go halfway down the road. You got to get all the way there. Yeah. Yeah, I gotta pee so bad Yeah, me too if we go pee together

Is there different stalls or has go oh this one I want to ask you about so ego so like You know in the last couple years, I've had a bigger career, right? And so, you know, there are moments where I'm or my ego starts to get big, you know, and I and I never I always knew I had maybe some ego. We all have it. Yeah, but I never really thought like oh Well, what is you know, like and there's moments where it started to feel really You know not out of control, but it grows without my consciousness of it growing Do you ever have any issues like with that or just were you ever able to see that in your own life? I think I think I think that's people probably see it more than I do

You know when it comes to ego because I'm just like I'm a I'm a kind of an independent person And then maybe it affects other people's lives like fill up my friends or My family and sometimes they put me in check, but for the most part I mean being humble was where I think I got where I'm at like you always got a Pay dues and just feel feel good But if you really want to ego check just go on Twitter every once while and just see what people talking about No, I can break you down pretty quick I also think I started about four years ago. I did ayahuasca for the first time and um

That's a fucking ego deflator like hardcore Yeah, you do that and it's like a drug that kind of puts you like you might even poop your pants So you just kind of breaks down. Yeah that Whatever you feel like you become like more of a It naturalizes you in a way Yeah, it kind of gives you the shame Yeah, like and you're puking and you're thinking of things and you don't You just it's it's you're in it's dark and then it's bright and you just you go through a lot of things

The best way to explain it how it helps you is that you have a messy closet, right? When you when you do ayahuasca kind of helps put everything in the drawers So you can like understand things a little better because that's what your brain probably is like a messy closet sometimes But I've done that that the two times I did it It really helped ground me to where I had another outlook a little bit And I try to use that message now when I you know because it is important to not have an ego But at the same time he goes back to six nine it got him where he's at like even if he even if it's all big play He knows he's using it for his advantage

Sometimes it could work. It kept could backfire Pretty easy if you don't have it playing out if you're not playing chess with it If you're playing like checkers with it, you could backfire on you but yeah We had um, you know, one of my favorite comedians has got chrystalia and he would always um Reference you on his instagram call one of my deploy. Yeah, did you ever interact with him about that? Did you think that it was? Yeah, well, he was friends with Dylan Francis early on and I I think um I met him through through that and I never met him actually but we just

I didn't understand. I don't know if he was making fun of me or not at the beginning But I was retweeting and I thought it was pretty funny. Yeah, it was so fun But I was like, I'm not even that special But I guess I'm like a b-level celebrity that he picked up because I thought you could put could pick somebody better or whatever But it was kind of cool. I got a lot of like a lot of people always tag me when he did that Yeah, I thought because then I got to be I got to go to once I started getting like nice green room and stuff. I'm like, what am I chrystalia? It made it so it was fun for me because then I got to do it to uh, just make fun like make bring him into it

You know be part of his thing from it Um, but yeah, I was just wondering how that landed on you. I never I never really we we he always come out on my instagram Then he was like dude. Fuckings. He's bizarre. Like, you know, I think that's what's really cool about him It was like real creative you scratch your head when you see some of the stuff he does I think Dylan Francis and the DJ was like kind of like borderline comedy and a DJ which is kind of a cool Space because no one really does that. Um, but Dylan was really he was acting just in tv shows and stuff like that. Um Yeah, this is too creative man He's like he's like riffraff sometimes you watch some of those videos like what the fuck are you in the

He's trying to like and I even land him to be funny. It's just almost like It's just it's just something which is great was a real creator can kind of not really aim for like a success But just like a shock value thing um another guy who I love who's kind of like half comedian half dancer is this guy named um Fucking may have to look him up. I always forget his name he's uh a dancing guy Um

He He's gonna take a second. We've gotta edit this out. No worries. It's got cholo fit creeper that I like who's latino Oh, is that dog-faced guy too that? He's like a he's like a Crip kind of like dances in this kind of yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah him Um I was I sent his thing to uh Frankie Frankie King Jonas Which I think is the best last thing if I could have any last name it would be King. He's a good one. Yeah, it's uh this guy

Casey fray. Oh, yeah, Casey fray bro. I mean he first of all, he's one of the sickest dancers ever And he doesn't really dance that often but his like some of his comedy is just like so what the fuck and then the way He integrates like dancing comedy like I don't even think he does He does it on purpose. He just is like It's just special who he is. Yeah. Yeah, I played basketball the couple times We know each other just from he's a friend's a lot of djs and um Love that guy. He's like so he inspires me a lot. He seems really cool people always Uh, say you got to uh

Talk to Casey fray or you got to connect to them. Maybe that's a good vibe that I need to um I think that's everything that I have man. I mean I could keep talking about stuff But you know, I just want to yeah, thank you for your time. Yeah, man And it's interesting. Yeah, man I do think it's interesting how like even just from talking you know, it makes me want to know a little bit more about Uh, you know makes you want to know more about music But it makes me want to also have a little bit more respect for like the history of music because yeah people don't realize like That even just like humans like music comes from

Like parents, you know, like music like each sound has like a couple of parents to you know and grandparents and then Um, I mean, I think you do the same thing with that I do with comedy Like you know the history like you said some of your favorite comedians. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know a good bit about it I think I think it like the you know, you're you're gonna be You know, you're you're you're the comedy of right now So you have to take all the things that happen before you Understand that twist it up and then know how far you can push things and I heard kevin hart say at once He's like he has a black comedian. He always like he's gonna push it

Further than he and then there's gonna be someone in five years gonna push it further than him It's like their job. His idea is just to blaze the trail. I think you it's gonna be the same thing Like, you know the history you're gonna push it as the character that you are and the person you are And I think it's a little bit difficult now because you have to walk a tighter line Almost like the challenge part of me sometimes last week. I was like, you know two weeks ago. I was scared. Yeah, and then last week I was like, you know what? This is what it is, you know, and I think that I can Do it it's gonna make people be a little bit tighter about what they do almost when you have a set of rules

It sounds fucked up because we were just talking about how there should be no rules or anything But it also can create something special I'm gonna give you a really boring metaphor Uh, you probably want to edit this out, but I went to film school and I went to a class A class called iranian iranian cinema And um Okay, it might be some people But um, iran has this amazing film industry in the 90s

And there's a director called abos carestami and he made a record movie called like water water for or something about chocolate water for chocolate Something like something for chocolate. Maybe look at the film because I don't want to fucking butcher this Water for chocolate, but he is a famous director because in iran It's such a muslim country in the rules to make a film like you can't show any women without the hair mask You have to talk about god in certain ways. There's like all these fucking rules But these guys made these films where it's like such a narrow line They can walk and they always win like wards worldwide for these films They make this guy especially because it's just like

He made a lot of films But I think he having those rules and having to have to work inside that became something really He had to push even harder to get that creative juice and people to know what you're talking about and make a message happen So that's no, that's so interesting to hear you say that. Yeah, because the rules It was almost like when the teacher or if the government whatever it is it tells you okay, this these are the rules It's there's something then inside of you. That's like, okay. Okay. I see your rules Yeah, I'm gonna play by the rules, but watch what I'm gonna do. Yeah, yeah, kind of loophole or something. Yeah, man That's pretty fascinating

Um, Thomas Wesley, thank you so much for being here. Do you like Diplo? Do you like Thomas? Do you my real name is actually Thomas Wesley Pence? But just like I put the Thomas Wesley my first and middle name because a lot of country guys have two first names kind of um, but yeah Wesley's my real name people always call me Wesley. Do you feel like uh Do you feel like you're still Diplo? Do you feel like it's been like a like you're a snake or something ever that shed its skin? Do you feel like it's just something that

I mean people people when they when fans see me now, they go Thomas because they just read my wikipedia page or whatever They don't want they don't want to say Diplo. It's also not a very cool name, but it's like You know, it's it's more of try it almost seems tribal a little bit out in a weird way I kind of it doesn't It never had really a defined reason to be called that but I you know, whatever it worked it worked for me and I did a lot of different music but at this point I have so many different little bags like I do like Thomas Wesley. I did like the major laser. I did this thing called silk city with mark ronston

I did think all lsd with uh Sia and labyrinth and it was like psychedelic projects So I'm just like fascinating with like you can do things you can do different things and you can be different people and that's kind of like it throws you into a tussle if you kind of want to bring out the cultural Whatever I could I do whatever so you can't really I know I know no group can be mad at me for too long because I'm gonna I'm gonna be every once the next thing by the time they figure out what they're mad about It's interesting the cultures that are kind of within us even within our series within our types of thought

You know, like sometimes we're not even recognized that repeated thoughts that we have inside of us or even take on a culture of our own And if we're afraid to act on those are we like kind of putting a dam on like some ability of our creativity and stuff Art is like man. That's the one thing man Put and put an art in a box is like You're keeping yourself from so many experiences Um That could happen, you know, yeah, it's always about being like open yourself up a little bit And you know, it's all about just being a nice good person

Being kind have an empathy and create but create with you know, do things responsibly. It's not that hard You can fuck up. Also, you can fuck up and fucking fix it and say I fuck. Yeah, you can say you can fuck up I mean, look people always talk about um xxx temptation. I brought him up a lot in this conversation I don't know if you know his music that well, but he had a terrible He's a rapper that um, yeah, I know just if his death and he had a terrible uh history with women and violence and women and um a lot of people You know brought him off for that and um, and I feel him if they want to they can't have the right to do that

But he affects a lot of people's lives where they just his music would really touch people in a way that Rap hasn't done that in a long time and people like have records that Had this like Kurt Cobain feeling which is really in raw and that people affected that way like the little people the same thing And I think it's okay For him to work at himself and be better And I think the music like I said music's about a feeling music is something that doesn't have to have History sometimes right a lot of people don't mean you can also define like Michael Jackson to come off the radio Some people say like that. I mean

Do what you want. I'm not going to take Michael Jackson off my my it seems I'm not going to stop playing his records If you don't give people the ability to like recognize or learn Yeah, or evolve or anything I mean people shouldn't be such a kid not everybody should be defined by their history. Look a good example like knock-a-mechs, you know um If you had wrote him off like, you know beating women and going to prison and doing things and

When the prison changed his life and became a great leader and an amazing, you know philosopher in a way, um So people have lots of offer, you know, I think you need to define like what is it? That's not right and Let them know that and like let them change and Um, hopefully that makes it better for other people. Yeah, because cancel culture It's easy to take down celebrities, but you're not taking down the guy next to you at a bus Whatever that's actually doing damage or like verbally abusing or a woman that's you know

Right, that's what we have to we have to find the ways to change those things like where it's where it's normalized for People in everyday culture like in a frat or whatever it is That's gonna be the ones to change the world not to not just like yeah, somebody got your moment on a on a twitter or something But yeah, yeah, I agree man. It's it's definitely disheartening to see like some of that some of that culture, you know But yeah, but to take it into our regular lives, you know to recognize okay Well, first of all, what are my own behaviors that I could be you know, like even going back to the black lives matter movement and And just seeing a lot of that going on, you know, like Um, it just made me think like okay. Well, what let me really ask myself, you know

If I if I'm talking to a black person do I have different things in the back of my head? Yeah while I'm talking with them You know, or if I'm if I'm with one of my black friends in my behavior You know like just little things which some of it's okay some of it's just nature and it's gonna be But just make sure just to check myself to see what's going on You know and and we have to we have to allow spaces where people can do that I mean we're all learning. Yeah, life's about learning and changing. I mean if we if we want to say it so no one can change Fuck we're not we're fucked. We're fucked because that's we we got to change anybody's got to change and And that's it's okay. Yeah, it's okay to do better. Yeah

Um, yeah, it's okay to do better. That's a good That's a good statement. Uh, thomas westley. Uh, thanks so much for being here, man Thank you for having me. Appreciate it again. Yeah, we'll do it again next next country album And I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little time For me to set that parking brake and let myself on my Shy that light on me

I'll sit and tell you my stories Shy on me On me and I will