This Past Weekend - E330 Mid-Sized Animal Control Man

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

Theo sits down with mid-sized animal control man, Marty Voiers, to learn what a day in the life of a wild animal wrangler is like. Marty tells us insane stories of being face-to-face with bobcats, just how sneaky these raccoons truly are and his thoughts on being the middle man between man and beast. https://bit.ly/theo-von     Check out Marty Voiers and Hawk Predator & Wildlife Control:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HawkWildlifeControl/Website: http://www.hawkwildlifecontrol.com/   New Merch: theovonstore.com​   Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to [e-mail].   This episode is brought to you by:Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/THEO for free shippingGrubhub: https://www.grubhub.com Get the food you love with Perks from GrubhubModiphy: https://modiphy.com/theo for a $250 creditLiquid Death: https://liquiddeath.com    Music:“Shine” - Bishop Gunnhttp://bit.ly/Shine_BishopGunn​     Hit the Hotline[phone]   Video Hotline for TheoUpload here: http://bit.ly/TPW_VideoHotline   Find Theo:Website: https://theovon.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/theovonFacebook: https://facebook.com/theovonFacebook Group: https://facebook.com/groups/thispastweekendTwitter: https://twitter.com/theovonYouTube: https://youtube.com/theovonClips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEKV_MOhwZ7OEcgFyLKilw   Producer: Nick Davishttps://instagram.com/realnickdavis Producer: Sean Duganhttps://www.instagram.com/SeanDugan/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's guest is a is an outdoorsman and indoors men a hell if the animals have gotten indoors and he is he's Well, he's a mid-sized animal control man and he can handle anything from you know I'm gonna go on from mouse to bobcat style That includes woodpecker flying squirrel deer

Hornet beaver coyote skunk bats and more That's this man His company is titled hawk predator and wildlife control He has been in the game for a while since he was a child and animals were bothering him and now he bothers them He's the dog the bounty hunter of mid-sized animal Zuh animals

Ladies and gentlemen, mr. Marty voyers If you're hunting um, if you're hunting like vermin, do you need energy drink? I Drink a lot of coffee. Do you I drink mountain do that mountain do okay? Yeah, I'm on a no-carg kick I've lost I went from 260 down to 238 two days ago, so I'm trying to get some weight back off Oh, really? Yeah, and what are you leaning up for to hunt animal? Oh, I just do I don't To get rid of that. Oh, it's you. Oh, I kind of hard to get through a crawl space and through an attic door if you're Big as hell. Well, every space is a damn crawl space when you're big. I guess Do we um, is this I mean, do you cut are you cussing? I don't know. Oh, yeah, we can say whatever you want

Okay, I don't want to know I appreciate it. I don't want to say something. I shouldn't say Oh, yeah, the only things I don't say in here usually are I don't say I Guess I Don't say the n-word. I don't say like a f-a-g-g-o-t. I don't say that and I don't say I don't say like a lot of British curse words like CUNT. I don't say that. I don't say P. U. S. S. Y. I don't say All right, like labia. I don't say stuff. I don't I don't say none that anyway Okay, yeah, but anything else is good or it's fine. You know, it's not good, but it is whatever you want it to be I watch some of your pie. I've tried to study and watch some of you talk about it. Well, I don't know if that's good or not

Man, I mean all of it's a little bit different. You know, I think you know, first of all, I appreciate you coming in How do you say your name so I know what I'm saying Marty? Okay, boyers boyers. Thank you This is more than one peeping Tom. Oh, yeah, boyers. We have a boyer or you have a boyers. Oh, yeah We had boyers usually where I'm from we had a I I remember we had to if you want to repeat if you wanted to go out time and repeat time and they called it You had to get a ladder from a guy because nobody around us had a ladder So we go over there and say look Wednesday, you know about 435 p.m. We want that ladder, you know and and we get out there and peeping Tom and I actually I

Enjoy, I mean I as a kid it was you know, where is that you know this for Louisiana, Louisiana. Okay, so it reminded me of We didn't have cable for a while. So I know you'd go over to some people's house And it was like watching It was like watching television almost, you know, the windows even shaped like a dang television So I remember sitting out there and just you know, you know that the show isn't that good It's just a family eating damn, you know TV dinners and stuff, but it was still Local programming I guess but that's just a way to I mean I don't like to say that my dad cringes when I do that But for somebody didn't know how to pronounce my name. It's boyers boyers. Yeah, it's French. So you go. Yeah

And that's the only thing I just I mean on the youth is a I mean I just don't like because some people don't want to talk about I say, oh, yeah, if they're like, are you gonna relocate him? I'm gonna take care of him. That's yeah No, I make the customer feel good. Well, some animals you gotta have to you relocate them to the Lord You know what I'm saying like that's how I kind of see it, you know, some of them. It's That's life, you know. Well, I mean look it's an interesting job you have so Front your name is French. I guess and the French are notorious Fur trappers aren't they? Is that true or not? I guess they're fur trappers. Do you feel that in your genetics ever? Oh, I'm a fur. I'm a matrap. Oh, you do. Oh, yeah

No, I sent I sent them guys a ton of pics. I run a winter trap line predator trap line. Oh, yeah I ended up with 66 coats and four bobcats and a lot of other miscellaneous animals foxes and raccoons But I do that every year in the winter time starting in November to February 28th And it's it's fur. I'm slow my business is slow in the winter and my farming is None in the winter just the fact of feeding cattle and a fur trap and I go and that helps my business I do a lot in the winter time. I'll do it for free. You know, I tell if you've got coyote problems I'll come take care of coyotes and I'll do it for free. Okay. So when you're dealing with a coyote How get take me through that process as somebody calls you and says hey bucko, we got a coyote out here

We got something what's the usual complaint if they don't know that it's a coyote that it's getting there They have something killing their calves Okay, which more than likely it's usually something the calf dies and the coyote is seen eating on it or tracks And he gets to blame. Oh damn, but I mean they will they'll get a newborn. They'll get a calf like cows having it It's like the first she's defenseless. I didn't mean to cut she's defenseless when it's coming out ever, huh? And they'll sometimes they'll grab it then she can't defend them. She can't fight defend them and they'll eat that after birth But they'll come after a sick, you know nature. They'll come after something sick. You know, if it's injured or sick They'll come after it

But you know, I get a lot of calls for that right chicken houses chicken coops or their ducks missing. Oh, yeah That's just like on that cartoon. Remember that Was in that cartoon where Was always in the hen house. I'm trying to think of what it was that one with the big rooster Oh, I You know I'm talking about a little bit of the big had the little trick he had to bit the I say I say, yeah Yeah, the little the little Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're running around a little little itty bitty chicken these fellas right here. Yeah, all corn leg horn

Yeah, and fall corn leg horn. I think that's Dutch that name But yeah, he was in new. Oh, yeah, he always had some ratio. Yeah with something breaking in so for coyote So so that's fascinating. So We're talking to mr. Voyers here and you deal with all types of basically animalia that are problems, right? Yes, sir Okay, and so I want to get immediately back into that coyote question because that's just so is it kind of crazy to think that They'll attack during the birth, huh? Yeah, they'll they'll they'll go after a cow or an animal deer cow They're having they're young they're defenseless and they'll type they'll try to go after them the ending cases Deer the fawn. That's one of their main predators is coyote

They'll for the mortality rate for a baby deer to find his coats They'll get the animals when they're weak sick just kind of mother nature help help them clean up No, they'll get one when it's sick sick take it out And do you see that as like it's almost like that's like mother nature doing or do you feel like that? That's like damn. It's kind of cheating or do you feel like that's kind of just the way that mother nature works? I mean you have something. It's like I'm not going to make it through the winter. It's gonna starve to death mother nature's Taking out something to feed the other and it's not going to suffer. It's mother nature. Yeah, but I mean it sometimes mother nature's cruel She's very cruel sometimes, but she is she's really stepmother nature almost sometimes, you know

There you go. I feel like you know, I mean, I love my step-bob. I got a great step-bob, so Yeah, I mean, I got a great mother and a great step-bob. Oh, you do. Oh, yeah Oh, you know your dad picked some good ones, huh? Oh, yeah, I love my parents. They're the best. They raised me up good They're the best So now did you were you in dealing with animals at a young age because if you're a real animal man, then you I'm guessing you really got in the animal. You're pretty young, huh? My grandfather got me into trapping when I grew up on grew up going over the farm every weekend when I was a Youngster and he got me in a trap and groundhogs getting rid of the groundhogs

Mm-hmm start trapping there and just worked my way up over the years and he bought me my first traps at the feed store and It just worked up over time and what kind of traps were those as first traps? My first traps were one and a half Leg holds like food traps bring that up son So let's see what that looks like so we got an idea of it So now tell me how this thing works here. How does this kind of trap work? bitch, it's a spring trap you When you compress the sides of whichever one you're look we're looking at you compress the sides of it

it's got a latch at a pan and When you get when you latch the pan and then you'll cover it up I bet the trap you bet the trap down cover it up sometimes I make a bait hole sometimes I don't or to walk through set and Or if it's groundhog, you know, I place it down in the in the den for the groundhog Well, I don't use that method in my business but growing up trapping That's how I got rid of the groundhog and now why would you do so? So when you say betting you put like a leaves and stuff over some kind of camera in in essence

I bad to trap down to where they don't see it Okay, I dig out you kind of dig out a hole you and you place a trap down covered up to where they walk in they Don't see it, but they step on it and they're going after like if it's a Cout or predator I use a bait hole which I'll make a dig a little hole in the ground and put a lure Or commercial lure bait in it so the coyotes concentrating on that and we'll dig it out and then get the trap Why he's working to set going after the bait, okay? So what kind of bait do you use so for groundhog you won't use a bait You'll kind of just wait for their weight to hit it

Well, I mean if you loot now I don't and in my younger when I was a kid I'd use a leg hold trap But if I met a customer's house can't really use a foothold trap and somebody's front yard I have a we use a good cage as I use as a calm stock Cage a double door cage and I'll set it bet it in front set it in front of the hole and Make it a posit to where when the groundhog comes out he has to go in that trap He has no option but to go in there to get outside so that way Say I catch three groundhogs and we don't catch anything for a week

I can say there's no more groundhogs in that hole and then we can seal the hole up and we're done So this trap right here. This is a single-door trap. You said yes, sir Oh, it's double door single door become stock It's one of my favorite traps one of the most popular traps with the wild nuisance wildlife operators So that's just pretty basic It looks like it has like kind of this like almost a teeter-totter door where once you go through it It just closes back and you can't get out It's spring loaded door on it and it's got the triggers in the middle so when

Raccoon groundhog comes through he bit and he hits those triggers in the middle and it's a spring loaded door and It's not like a tractor supply cage trap. It's spring load It goes down it goes down hard enough to worry if one gets caught and it could kill it underneath of it It could it could get it. Wow. Okay. So what animal honestly when you see an animal that and you trap one Which one does seem like the happiest to get trapped is there any that's like thank God for getting me out of this name Oh, no, never very happy. Really? No Because some I wonder sometimes if there's animals out there that are ready to be domesticated It's like please God come and somebody take me out of this damn food chain, you know

Because I'm sure for some animals. It is just it's a it's a dirty world out Probably the most laid-back creature that we trap the die trap is probably a possum wise I mean, it'll you come up to it if it's in a cage. It'll be curled up asleep usually playing possum or if it's in it I'll have him get into my Trap when I'm predator trapping. No, you can catch anything in these traps us. No anything Possum's a scavenger. Okay calm ground buzzers what I call them. They don't eat anything dead or whatever on the ground Oh, yeah for a shrimp. They call them sometimes. Yeah, and no, I mean, I've had them I mean it sounds nasty the dead cow. I'll set sometimes around it and I've seen them cut

They'll go in they'll eat your way inside of the cow and how do they get in through like the butt really? Yeah, through the through the rear end. Yeah, they eat your way right in I mean, it's kind of gross, but When you deal with I mean when you get the I mean do it it didn't really bother you But that's I raised cattle to have been around cattle all my life That's that's just part of mother nature when you might the old way we did it You know, you dragged the cow to the holler and let mother nature Consume it. Yeah, get back get back to her let her consume. Yeah, no now you should take it No really to the landfill, but we usually have a holler dig a hole with the loader

Or maybe tractor and loader and barrier covered up Wow, but they're one back to a possum you know to get them They're the most docile I mean I can you can catch them I can pick them up and hold them They're mainly their main defense is they they snarl which They show those teeth don't they? Yeah, it's a lot of them calm grinners So right before you hit them right before they get run over they grin real big at you because that's their main defense They just grin and hiss at you to scare you away. Oh, damn. I'm a girl fighter. Do you? You can't you know, but they can't defend themselves anyway

And that's what and they are actually marsupial marsupial. They're I mean, they're rather cool They had the pouch like a kangaroo. I mean, they're a really neat animal. Wow. So so They have the the pouch. Can you bring up that pouch on so they have the pouch? It's uh, I Didn't know that that they had that. Yeah. Yes, sir Yeah, they carry their they carry their young in a pouch and now can you get like is there like? Uh, do you know how many they could fit in there? No, I I mean, I did litter probably five or six about an average litter Okay But I mean they they'll stay in there whether so till they get so big Nate

No, it's obviously too big then they'll stay with her right on her bike like you got the pictures. Okay, but they're I mean They're the moat. They're a pretty gentle creature other than no raccoon not happy to see you Oh, it's not very happy. Even a groundhog not happy to know really they'll chatter their teeth They'll grab don't bite your teeth at you down on just like a little No, it tried to scare. That's their defense. It's everything the skunk sprays Um, raccoons just mean they'll just come after you Now let's tell me this sir is the um What is a vermin? How do you get upgraded to vermin? You know what I'm saying? Is there like a

is there like a You know some rural kind of courtroom where they're like you're a damn vermin now Buck like do they if something causes enough problems is it then a vermin when does it go from pest to vermin to Swamp thing or whatever your house when you know, raccoons are I mean, they don't bother you in in in nature You know, you you see raccoons all the time on the road or running around They're not a pest until they make their way in your house They get in your attic to go through your soft food or chimney or whatever and get into your attic your house Have their babies

Um, they you know, the feces everywhere Raccoons use a toy use a toy. They make they use the bathroom like a cat in the same place Oh, really? So if you got raccoons have been in there for quite a while you have quite a mess So if you see a bunch of coon duty somewhere, that's really that's a giveaway real sign. Yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, I'll open up. I've opened up attic doors and had it dump right on me before Swing down and it's always like you're always opening your your duck like real easy to make sure There's not going to be because that's usually you know back one. Oh, or raccoon feces is going to be right there on top

Attic door also like a surprise party. Oh, yeah, definitely be surprised you get that dumped on to not what you want to do I had a bad attack me. I was trying to make out with a girl. I was about 14 in an attic and uh And I don't know if this bat knew her or what but that thing like came after me boy I think like it came out that might have been a you know, I don't know if her daddy passed and this was it was a spirit Yeah, or something. Yeah come back as a damn bat boy, but this thing did not want me putting my fangs in her neck That's for sure. You were just in his house You're invading his area. I probably was. Yeah, you know, we wandered up into an attic of a semi Not abandoned house, but a house that hadn't even been built yet. So pre-abandonment

um Now raccoons. Oh get the they really I feel like kind of get the They get looked at I feel like as mother nature's kind of hit man a little bit They really have come into their own as being just burglars, you know, like I think every time you see them They look so guilty. They look like they they're they call them a band and you're a band is they that kind of a mask on them I mean they when they see our houses or your house, they just see a tree They see, you know, every, you know, the neighborhoods and subdivisions are Tearing down more woods and more environment to build the houses. So they're running out of places

And they don't have really their main predators man Wow And so they they when they look at your house just like any of these animals They just see a they just see a big tree a funny looking tree, you know They can climb right up this side and right up a downspout and they'll find a way in and they'll make they'll make your home Their home so they just see their house your house is a tree really that's it. I mean, that's what they see it Is, you know, just just a different type of structure. They want to be The the female raccoons they want to be up high

They want, you know, if you're not in like a cavity of a tree So where they know would be in the nature because they want it They want to be up high so that when they have their young they're away from predators They're away from things that could hurt their babies one of their main One of their main concerns when they're having their babies is male raccoons another one of mother nature's Things is a male raccoon will search out the female and kill those babies to make her come into heat again Which is no other nature another cruel way of mother nature. It's it's just a cycle just it's just mother nature And so the mama raccoons or sour raccoons that we come they'll they'll go they get high up in the addicts and

That's they'll make their dens trying to keep away from everything else and the male raccoons So even there could it even be the own male that knocked them up? I mean, it could be I don't know Oh my god, dude. It's sound like a damn John Grisham I mean, it is possible some of the one technique that we use eviction fluid which is mainly raccoon piss And you can take it I'm not a big fan of it because I like to catch the raccoon and remove it No, I've removed it out of your house

But you can take eviction fluid and put around their entry hole and in the attic and the female raccoon will think there's a male present And take her babies and shy guy there Okay, so you mean if you want to get her out of there? Yeah, some some places they if you use like all humane, you know, no trapping They can use eviction fluid and that that's something that can make the female think there's a male present and she'll get her babies and get out But you still have there's a raccoon there right it's going to go somewhere else There's going to be somebody else's problem. I mean, I like to trap them and get rid of it that way I can tell the customer. Hey, we got I've got mama. I got five kits out of your attic and sealed up and we're good to go

Then we got yeah, we got the problem solved. Oh wise you just once you put that piss now And there you there just look at they you just you're scaring them off. You don't know where you're scaring them to Yeah, I mean you haven't really solved the problem They can they'll either leave or they'll just go even deeper. You just carry in the one. Yeah, you haven't really solved the problem Now what about this? I want to get back a little bit to this I mean, it's almost like a Shakespeare story that the So the the female can have children

Have babies raccoon can have babies And a man raccoon will come And kill the babies while they're being born Well after she has after she has them Well, the male raccoon eat them or just kill them. They usually just kills them. Okay kill them And then kill them just so the female will go back into heat so then he can get laid basically Yeah, I mean, yeah, you could put it that I mean, it's not the only all lot of animals do it

Lions, you know the they'll kill the cubs You know the other animals like it'll kill their offspring or the offspring It just hurts me man to make her to make them come back into heat. So that's it just hurts my feelings I mean, that that's not I don't come across it very often But I mean I've found it where I come do an attic inspection and just find a bloodbath, you know, just a little young I mean, they'll catch. I mean size of the Pop can and just be ripped open just you know horrible where the male raccoons come in and kill them all I mean, it happens. You don't see it very often, which I don't see it very often

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But also seemed like a decent fellow right here. Here we go Hey, Theo. I'm now I'm coming at you from London, England huge fan Uh, I've got a question for the real life wildlife control man Which is a question that Theo actually brought up on one of the Joe Rogan episodes was that How are these raccoons not a bigger problem? I mean you you must deal with it. You're on the front line of this stuff. So Tell us what's going on with these raccoons gang gang gang brother Yeah, yeah, how are they not a bigger problem? It seemed like they're after sex

you're saying they're doing sex in the attic and they're um, you know, they're willing to kill children that get sex And they're you know, they're obviously breaking into people's homes Like I see him in the recycling band constantly or I see him using the trash and I'll see you ever see that one Weird raccoon that's in the recycling band. It's like what is he? He's like he's reading in there or something, you know But I'll see the ones in you know, it's like You'll go out at night. Here's what I find fascinating. You'll go out in a right. You'll drive through a neighborhood And it's peaceful regular looking neighborhood. Everything seems normal And it's only three or four trees in the dang neighborhood

It wouldn't if you if you asked everybody all day is running in raccoons in this neighborhood People put zero on the form and you come by out about dang 12 40 I feel like are 11 15 p.m And you'll see them in little groups of three just cruising along man. It's like they they can hide so I mean they hide right before your damn eyes. It seems like So how are they not a bigger problem and what kind of problem are they these raccoons and you can be honest with me I mean, they're they're my raccoon My raccoons every year through my business. It's getting bigger and bigger. I mean more it's getting to be more and more of a problem

I knew it like the more we Build and go into the farmland. We're taking out their habitat They're like I said, they the only natural real predators man is a car And disease which they get overcrowded like anything. They'll get disease will get in them Distemper or they get rabies and they'll kill some of them off But they are I mean a lot of people have them and don't know they have them really, you know, you might If you're in a house, you might hear something every once in a while and they're like, well, that's just raccoon Yeah, no big deal. They don't come in here and bother me in my living room because I'll be in houses

It'll in addicts. Oh, we just started hearing it last week and it's obvious. They've had it for years Wow, just some of people just don't know it. I mean, they're sneaky. They're sometimes quiet You got the insulation in your attic and they don't make a whole lot of noise, you know Or you overlook it as something else or just don't want to know what just don't want to know what it is And are they flame retardant? raccoons, can they are they are flammable animals? Or you know what I'm saying like they there's or their skin is so thick It seems like they wouldn't be

In an attic it just seemed like a good place for fire, you know or something like bad They're actually they're very tough creatures. I've had a I did a had a one particular job this spring early spring Or late winter and it took as a month and three days where I caught four raccoons To have an attic and a month and three days the final raccoon came out And what was he doing just hands up and denying they were juvenile young raccoon last year's raccoons just denning And just they're trap shy and won't you know, they won't they won't come out I mean in the summertime, it's not unusual to have a raccoon go a week Maybe two weeks in the summer and an attic could be 140 degrees. I mean, they're a tough creature

Stay in there with no food or water No, sometimes they can get water your air conditioning. I have condensation pan. They'll sip off that bastard. They can get a little bit of water off that They're sneaky man. They're just so damn sneaky. That's what gets me. You know, they're just the damn They're the real Andy do frames of the damn animal kingdom You know what I'm saying they're wild man Is there any animal as sneaky as a raccoon? I mean, let's put the crown on the prince brother. Is there any animal as sneaky as a dang raccoon? Um, I gotta say bobcats. There you go. That's I mean, it's I don't get the calls, you know

For you know, like they don't invade your homes like a raccoon does but they're they got to be pretty sneaky I mean, I would they're pretty sneaky Rats I'll do a lot of rat work. Oh, yeah, they can be pretty sneaky. So do I brother They they're hard to get and they're sometimes they're a pretty big challenge to get the rats. They're pretty sneaky though They don't like change and you know, you mess with them. They'll change the routes and where they come in under their sneaky animal They're all kind of sneaky, you know, but Those coming to mind is being the most sneaky to me

I mean, do you look at it as a competition when you wake up in the morning? Do you kind of look at it as like you like I kind of wonder how you envision your position in the world? I mean, do you look at it as like you're kind of like the Like that your help that you're against the animals that you against them Do you look at it as you're just helping people like just kind of what's the Vibe that you have to take on each day to really get out there and And solve some of these animal issues that are in the world. I love animals. Oh, you love them

I mean, I love you got I love my work. I love animals You know, I love working with them getting a hand of them. I've got lots of pets. I mean, I'm an animal lover but I like helping people and And satisfaction, you know, somebody's got somebody has a house and they have a large colony of bats and when I can go in and seal that house up and Evict those bats get rid of them and do and clean up their attic like it was brand new. I mean, that's that's some satisfaction Yeah, I could see that I can say hey, I took care of this. I mean, it's it's different than saying like, well, you know You sold a new album or you sold a new car or signed a new deal. I said, yeah, I got rid of those bats

Yeah, I mean, it's it's satisfaction. It's kind of a different And it's each his own. It's kind of a different satisfaction. But I mean, it's it's very satisfied. If I didn't love it I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I mean, I love them. I love getting every morning. It's something different It's something new every it may be the same thing, but it's something No raccoon job. No bat job. Nothing is the same. It's always a little bit different a little bit different scenario or What tell you have to set up on it or what happens or it's all a little bit there. It's all a challenge. Sometimes it's very challenging Tell me about it. Take me on a call for something where you like I just had a vision of you like walking through the zoo

Just kind of looking at the animals being like I could do all of this, you know Kind of that's kind of Clint Eastwood if you would you know, I mean we um, you ever We go through there since that he's a couple years back and I was you know You know, like the raccoons or something. I'm like, oh, yeah, like the river otters. I'm like, yeah, I've done I like otter jobs, you know, those are those are everybody sees them as loving. I mean, they are loving creatures Very neat and pretty but they'll Come in if they could find your pond or lake they'll wipe out your fish. No way. Oh And so they but they do the tricks they do the tricks that make you think they're being good. Oh, yeah, they're cute

But they're just there for your fish. I mean, they're they're they're you know, they can be That's what they're cute until they start Taking away something and then they're a pest like you said then they're cute. Oh, they're cute and cuddly then they start Till the tune is going in there. Yeah, the tune is gone and then they gotta go You know, then they're they're a pest then the people don't like and they gotta go Now why does an otter look so cute? You think too is because they do those tricks I've seen them do the tricks in the zoo, you know, you get by the zoo cage or the water zoo And you'll see them do those tricks and it makes me feel like oh man, they're yeah, they're lovely

They're this and that but you don't notice the two otters in the back beating the fuck out of a carp You know what I'm saying like, you know, I'm saying you don't notice the hit You know what I'm saying? You don't notice the other side of the uh Of the aluminum, you know, I mean they look cute. They're mercury themselves. Yeah, they look cute They groomed themselves like that does and when they do that, you know, it looks cute Oh, look at you know, if he's they're grooming themselves and they're always where their hair they're oily to where it helps them shed the water Oh, yeah, and they just make them look so cute. Oh, yeah, they got this summer They look like they got their hair dyed for the summer

They're ready to kind of you know, like they're going to the beach like they're gonna be in damn destined all summer I mean, it's like a baby raccoon. I mean I handle lots of baby and they're so cute and cuddly But they grow up to be big raccoons and then they can be very destructive Same way as a little baby groundhogs cute and cuddly looking But they're going to grow up to dig underneath your house and you know dig underneath your foundation cause it to settle and crack I mean, they're all cut. They're all cute until they Destroy something and then they're a pest. I got it. And then there's guys like me. It's gotta come in take care of Okay, so now that's so now we're seeing kind of the evolution from them just being an animal to them becoming a pest

They become a pest when they are bothering you Yeah, when they're bothering something When they're causing some Disruption in our world now Is it kind of weird because we're really causing a disruption in their world? Yeah, we're the one Invading their territory. Yeah, like you buy a piece of land. It's like, you know It's not like you get to go to the courthouse and nine groundhogs get to show up and be like, hey, what's the deal? I mean, you buy a farm they level it out and build subdivisions

Those groundhogs are still there Right and they're going to come up to your front porch under your bushes Up against your barns or your garage and they're going to dig their holes because you're in their World that's their area and then that and then they're cute and cuddly And not really a big harm when they're out in nature other in the cow or horse You know stepping in the hole maybe breaking their leg Something or you know something like that But then when they invade your house, then they're a pest and then they gotta go

Most people don't ever encounter something like that until they become a pest Right right yet because you don't notice it really, you know, they're neat all look at the groundhog in the neighbor's yard over there And then next summer when that groundhog had babies and some of their babies come to your house Or grown start digging then it's not cute able then they then they call us It is interesting how animals go from that. There's that real fine line from cute to pest, isn't there? Yeah Is that real fine line baby raccoons? They're adorable. I mean they're well, they're so cute My grandmother didn't really like me and uh

Uh, whenever she died or uh, she was still alive, but We we didn't get along well, but um The lady I remember this lady told me one time my grandma didn't like me This was her friend Her friend told me that and her friend had a raccoon on her which told me her friend kept a raccoon as a pet Do you see a lot of people keeping animals and I remember thinking well Yeah, anyway, I don't know. I told you that but I remember just thinking well What in the hell why doesn't my grandmother even have this lady as a friend who has a damn raccoon?

Why is this lady her friend? But she doesn't like me. That's what I'm thinking. Okay, but anyway, um You see people starting to take on Animals where it seems a little bit like it's more about them than it is about the animal, you know It's a little bit more status. Yeah, there's something going on sometimes They're trying to have a little bootleg ass Noah's Ark in their bathtub or something Have you run into some stuff like that where somebody called you's like, hey, look buddy, you know, like I had a small You know, like I had a small dream of doing a little bit of doctor do little shit in the garage And suddenly things have gotten out of control had a couple

It mainly happens on like a rental property where somebody's had a pet pet raccoon. Okay, so it starts with the right So it's usually raccoons. Yeah, it's usually a raccoon sometimes squirrels. They know somebody finds a young raccoon Oh, yeah, you know a kid something happens. They find a little young raccoon not scared of humans and they take it And they try to make it a pet, which I mean is what do they do? I don't know about Tennessee's laws because I'm not licensed here, but in In Kentucky, it's it's against the law to keep to have a pet any Animals indigenous to the state deer raccoon turk. No, okay. So take me back. Hold on. So let's let's slow that down for me and for our listeners But so what does that mean any animal that's indigenous? Well, I mean any animal it's it's a common animal in the state

You know raccoon possum fox squirrel. You cannot have those as pets Yeah, you're not allowed to you're not allowed to keep the wildlife as a pet Even it like rehabilitate. Even if you think you're doing you're not you're not supposed to not saying they're gonna come get you Right, but but there's some laws. I mean they do you know I have some conservation officer friends and they do receive calls and complaints about people pet deer pet raccoons And you I mean they're still a wild animal. Damn the raccoons They can be I mean you can have a raccoon and if you if you google it, they'll they'll turn

You know a raccoon might be fine for a couple years and then they've turned in attack children toddlers babies under sleep I mean they they're still a wild animal. Just you know So what usually like how do people first? Let me get into how if people have a raccoon What do they try to do to have it really be part of their little life? Like I see some time they'll put a little diaper on it or they'll put a damn little Uh necklace on it or something. You see them maybe get a little bit of uh You know, I've seen one had a little even somebody made it a little damn Amulet thing for its wrist. You know I'm saying like you see people really try and make them human in some way

Have you come in as somebody you ever you know if you had to go and you find something and it's wearing a damn, you know Eyes odd shirt or something or you know, have you ever found anything like that where somebody's got a damn homemade outfit? you know got some you know little baby Birkenstocks on a dam On a raccoon or anything like that. No, I mean I've run across people pet raccoons and then it's cool I mean they that's their prerogative. They got them dressed up or not No, I mean they'll have I've seen them with collars on them, you know little decorative collars, but not dressed

I mean if you put something on a raccoon, it's gonna pull it off. I mean they're they're pretty they're pretty they're very smart Animal they're gonna pull it off. I mean I've seen people pet squirrels and you get them as a baby I mean they're but they're still a wild animal And do any so is there a is there something you can do to keep it domesticated so it doesn't turn wild again? I mean everything can turn. I mean, I don't personally know. I've I've raised a few deer up for a small a little bit of time Uh, as I had one that we that would that got all the job and I kept it for a while And then it turned well, I took it to the re rehabilitator And I get dough or a fond called baby deer get abandoned. I mean like on a deer. I'm we're getting off the subject here

The the worst thing to like if you people say I found a baby deer Is mama when she takes her when she has her baby, she'll place it away from her To keep she keeps away from it as much as she can not to put any sin on it that way a predator won't find it So when she beds the baby deer down, she'll put it down and she'll leave and go away from him And she's just a couple hundred yards away, but that way if something comes it don't get her baby and people if all here's an abandoned deer Oh, I'm gonna help it. I'm gonna say once you touch it. It's done. She's not going to take that baby back It's got you human sin on it and then they'll call they'll try to raise it themselves or they'll call Me or call a game warden and then we take them, you know, I've kept them for several weeks

You know just getting them back on your feet bottle feeding them And then take them to a rehabber in which they are their licensed rehabber and they raise them up They'll raise them up to where they can survive on their own and release them back in the wild Okay, and they do that of all I mean they do that with all animals I mean baby raccoons we can take them to a rehabber and they can They'll bottle feed them raise them up and release them back into the wild. Okay. Okay. Uh, let's get a question that came in from one of our listeners here, we've got a lot of great listeners on this podcast and real grateful for that

And uh, here's a man right here that had a question about something Decent man. What up, Theo? What up, Nick? What up? Animal police man. I got a question for you guys. What's her what's harder to catch in the streets? one of these young cats Or one of them dog dogs out there. What's harder to catch out in the streets when you're working? By the way, Theo, thank you for that gang merch just came in Oh, man official

that new edition with the Hit her in the front, baby People make a lot of bootleg merchandising and sell it and that's bootleg brother. Sorry. That's unbelievably bootleg dear god Uh, I don't know So that's a good question, man That that is a that's a good question. Um, a lot of Wildlife operators will not touch a cat. Okay. We don't normally ever fall within a canine because you have dog pound

Dog warden, but there's no cat warden Oh, okay And I I myself I do cat work. I do feral cat work. Oh, you do cat work. Oh, you do cat work. Do some cat work Be honest. You do cat work. Yeah, I do feral cat work. Okay. I'm just saying now. Hold on. Who's feral cat? Just a while not not a domesticating domesticated. It's just a cat that's running wild that you can't get close to Um, I'm sure if you drive around I'm being most towns and cities you drive and you'll see cats running everywhere Oh, yeah, we said those are just they just scavenge off whatever they can find you can't touch and they're just wild Oh, dude, I grew up in the stray animal belt, man. We had cats everywhere. We had animals passing through town

We had damn para kid. I mean everything came through town groups of them You know, I remember one summer see about 40 cats out there. Well, that's I mean you get a Oh for instance, like a town home community and they'll go from one or two cats and you know A little old lady's feeding them. She feels sorry for them to 60 70 cats and they attack her while she's sleeping Well, well a couple of female cats they get bread They have kittens within you know less than a year those kittens will breed and then another year those kittens from those kittens will breed So it's like that story can go really then you got all these cats that are living they're going to get diseased because there's so many of them

Mm-hmm. They get all over your cars. They crap all and pee all around your bushes and stinks and then but you can't get close to them So that's when they they get out, you know, I'll do fair. I'm not going to turn down work. I try to help my community You know, sometimes it's hard, you know trying to find homes for them Some you know have to struggle sometimes to find shelters. It'll take the cats and when you pick them up You put them in the back seat or front seat. Where do you put it in the back of the truck? Oh, really? Oh, yeah, I don't a feral cat can be very mean because they're I mean, they'll they'll reach right through that cake You know, if it's big enough, they'll try to reach through there A scratch from a cat can get very I mean can get infected because all all that dirt and stuff under nails

When they scratch you and some of them caulk Cats cat scratch fever. Yeah, we play that at the library I've had scratch and been scratched by cats trying to handle them with my big gloves on and they'll get real infected I mean, they'll get you got and that was a song too. Who's song was that bring that up? Yeah, play a little bit of that man. That's Ted Nuggan So when you hear this, I bet this you should play this this should be your dang along when you wake up in the morning Yeah, huh? they can

I mean, I could go to a job like that. It may be capture 30 cats. I mean, no It's scratch fever. That's good, man. That's good. So with any wildlife You got to be careful wear a proper pee pee pee, right, you know when I was full of the cats I'll wear bite-proof gloves that come up to about my elbow that way they can't scratch me. I don't you know I don't want to get full of getting infected and have to nurse and wound, you know, it's hard enough doing my work anyway but We don't do any dogs. No, I just that's getting to I'll do cats, you know If I do a cat job, you know, it has to be a certain, you know

It's I won't like if you just pissed at the neighbor's cat. I'm not gonna come do that. Oh, I wouldn't do that I mean, I'm I used to piss around my bed when I was growing up though, dude. I'll tell you this This is a true story. So when I was growing up, I was real scared, right? We grew up in a pretty scary area and I remember hearing when I was young and I've talked about this a bunch on this podcast But I remember hearing when I was young if if animals smell urine, they won't come by, you know, that's what I remember hearing So I was so scared that I would pee or I would stand on my bed at night and pee around it in like a semi circle So that no animals came to get me because I was so scared of like, huh?

Yeah, I never got attacked by anything, you know or anything uh indoors But yeah, it's just crazy to think that as a kid, you know that you have uh You know just that you hear stuff like that and and how to heart you can take it as a child When you say that there's no dog, um police, I start to see that there's probably some jurisdiction issues Do you ever run into jurisdiction issues where the dog catcher is got issues with you because you're trying to You know, you're I don't do I don't do any duck dogs and why not you can be honest with me I mean, I just because I mean somebody's pet I mean, there's not that many so there's more emotion involved in it. I mean, I'm just you're getting too much

Even with the catch, you know, I'll do a job and I'm like You know, this is gonna be neighbors cats. Yeah, I can't know usually a cat problem Is it like a a shopping or a restaurant? You know the employees are getting bombarded by all these stray cats that are around the dumpsters Oh, I'll tell you stuff like that. Now. I don't go into you know Betty Betty in the neighborhood has got a cat and she wants you to get rid of because she's pissed at the neighbor and it's her cat No, I mean, it's too much legal issue there and bad publicity. I want to know that's a good point, too

That's why you don't want to get near. I mean a lot of my friends. They won't touch a cat job just for that fact I'm picky about my I get a lot like factories Uh power plants to get no cats will come in people dump cats off. They ride in your vehicles up in the engine compartment when it's cold And then they multiply and they got to go. I mean, they're well, it's a health risk Usually you drop them at the power plant. They're gonna go somehow. You know, I'm saying I feel like that's kind of You know, a lot of people used to do that. They drop them off at the power plant and let you know and let you know Let it happen, you know, let it kind of work out that cat scratch fever right there, bro

But how about this? So what I'm trying to figure out is um So when it comes to the domestic animals, that's not really your line of work How did you get from your the your grandfather gives you the trap and you're trapping stuff around the way How do you then get into the echelon where you stay in that vein for most of your youth and childhood? and uh And then you just get into it as a profession. When did that start? Well, I grew up hunting fishing trapping my grandfather taught me everything and then I get into the The job world work couple jobs and then I worked for uh, my last one was for a rock mine close to where I let underground mine

And I still trapped you know, honestly, you know, just little stuff and somebody would call me. Hey, I've got groundhogs in my barn Can you come get rid of them? Like, yeah, I could probably do that and I come over and trap them. We're like, well, here's 20 bucks or Here's a six pack or you know, be like, you know, give me a little bit of something. Oh, yeah And oh, I've got this raccoon. I heard your you trap. Can you come get rid of it? Then I started looking think no I can make money at this I could do this for real. You know, I started reaching out looking on facebook find another the wildlife guys um one of them it first taught me a lot of stuff my mentor ronnie vencent, which is about

Uh 150 miles away from me and he kind of took me under told me how you know, get me started What, you know, just kind of get tips where new guys get into the business And just evolved from there went from trapping loving the trap You got to be a trapper to do this. You do. I mean, you can't just go buy trap You could go buy traps and do it, but you got to know how to Lure the animal in what baits work best What areas they're going to use to come, you know, runways or travel way You got to have a little bit of background in it where it really helps

To to do that. So it just evolved from trapping as a kid loving animals to wanting to change your career. So I quit my other job as a minor And was already farming so farming full time and then I started my wildlife business and so um So ronnie was you kind of worked as an apprentice in some way under, you know, ronnie just giving you a lot of guide It like just guidance. If I had a problem, I call him. I was on the phone with him every day He knew what was going on and it's like, man, I've got this hat. What's the best way, you know, I can I can catch a squirrel outside somewhere. What's the best way to catch it on a house, you know, and I got to You know, I had to take I had to study and take my test to the state fish and wildlife to be a nuisance control operator

and had to study guide and I bought a new koa, which is a Um, an organization for the wildlife operators and some of their online courses and some of their books and literature to just get more from animal trapping in the wild to Adapting to your house trap. Okay, right on the difference of trapping a raccoon in somebody's barn to to making a positive set on a house and it's in your soffit and your 25 30 feet off the ground with the trap Upside down under the soffit with trying to screw it down to attach it to your side of your house

Is it do you ever have to like finger pray or dust for prance or do any kind of like trap like is there any Detective type style work, you know, yeah One thing that we use a lot now is cameras. Um, I use a spy point cell cameras. It goes sends a pictures through your cell phone There's other ones are low cameras that do video And we use that I've got three going on jobs now. I mean, we all use that to monitor Um, say I are they coming and going here? So I'll put that camera up And now it'll send alert to my phone. I know when that raccoon is coming and going their motion sense it Well, yeah, it's motion motion sensitive. Uh, another trick that we use that I've used

Um, if I suspect something's coming and going don't really know what it is. I'll take flower Um, yeah, put some flower down on a piece of cardboard and when they step through that they'll leave their tracks We do that. We yeah, we do that for santa, you know, yeah to see a Santa come through Yeah, and one time was my damn brother. He'd been drinking any damn came through And he actually speaking of urinating on stuff. He urinated on something Um, what type of animal has the most sex out there? I wonder when people think because a lot of animals you see a lot of animals and you'll see them with their children But you don't hear about the sex a lot of times

Um, is there a lot of animals where animal the actual mating becomes a problem for a homeowner where That is the issue a lot of times. I mean, uh I don't think that's really an issue. I mean, I've never I've never had somebody call and say well These raccoons keep having sex. Can you come get rid of them? I've never really. Yeah had that. I mean But I mean, could you see it happening possibly? Yeah, it's all in the cover of dark. I mean, they're nocturnal animals They only come out at night and that's something they're probably not going to do in your front yard for you But no, I like yeah, yeah But I mean, I guess would they get into the house to mate I guess would do

Well, they'll be mating a raccoon on mate. They'll mate. They won't go in the house to mate They'll mate somewhere and you know when she comes in the heat and she finds a suitor And she accepts him and they mate and then she'll seek out a den place to have her babies Which would be your attic or under your house Okay. Yeah, they don't they don't go in your house to mate. Yeah, they're gonna mate She's going in her house to keep away from that guy. She don't want him back She wants to keep away from him and anything else that could hurt her babies. Right It's like playing parenthood almost a little bit kind of

Some of you know or something you get a pamphlet for there Let's get another question that came in right here. What do we have showing that really some people are inquiring Man, do you feel okay? I want to make sure you feel comfortable. Do you? Yeah, okay. Good. I'm loving it now. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good, man Yeah, no, this is all really cool information, man Uh Just little pieces of it are just so fascinating. It's just like Things you just wouldn't think about so let's keep going. What do we got here? We got a young fella right here who's got an animal

What's up theo? What's up animal wrangler? This is cody from arkansas. I was just calling to ask uh What is like the biggest injury or anything that you've got from trying to wrangle an animal? Anyways, uh, thanks guys gang gang Yeah, how violent is the game? Is it an ACL? What happens out there? Is it carpal tunnel? What happens when you're dealing with these animals? My biggest injury is I've had two ladders break on me That's my biggest injury wise. It's put me in a hospital for a little bit. No, not nothing broke Just I've had two ladders fail when I go up and down ladders

I mean might be 30 times a day for me and I'm small time You know and that you're going to have an end. You're going to have something happen. Um Um actual animals uh have one happened last summer for this nice lady as a church parsonage In area where I work at and had raccoons coming in her house then through the attic normal spots in the socket So I catch the right she calls me. Hey, you've got a raccoon. So I come over and she's out back and she's uh It's the parsonage. I guess it was been been the pastor's wife or family and so I'm a talking to her And she's asking me these questions. So I'm telling her we're going to put another trap back up there, ma'am

And I have my sister my assistant Tim's my one employee He was already putting another trap back up over the hole and as I was talking to her I kind of let my guard down. I reached down and grabbed the trap I picked it up from the top. I had it sitting Horizont up and straight up and down and I grabbed the end of it and stuck my finger into the cage where Where it was loaded where she could find it and she grabbed a hold of me and nearly used to say I let out pretty good scream and a few words. I shouldn't have in front of the Preach passes wife. I feel kind of bad really bad. Apologize for I mean bled all over so everywhere

I mean it was a pretty good wound, but I mean it's that I have I've been vaccinated for rabies. Oh, you have. Yeah. Well now so so So in that instance you had already a raccoon in the cage and you just put your hand too close to it Well, I I stuck my hand the so the cage is straight up and down And I'll put my hands through the the end of it where the door is there's nothing there So I'll just put my hand fingers through the cage and pick it up right well I was talking to her and

Looked away as I was reaching it reaching for the cage and just wouldn't look and just stupid mistakes Stuck my fingers in where she could get them. She went right after them And didn't want to let go was to grab and you know trying to get my finger They better they can rip your finger off. I mean really? Yeah, they're pretty strong You know, I've been coon hunting and I've talked to coon hunters before We don't have coon kill a dog a big bore coon kill a dog. They're they're a bad animal now Are they don't you definitely don't want to bite your finger? I mean it bit right through my finger now. I mean it was it's pretty painful. You don't want that

Bring it up to do it at the preacher's house. Yeah Yeah, that's the wrong place to well at least look at least there they can pray for you baby boy She was sympathetic. She understood offered it because she went got me some water to wash it off and she's really nice. She understood Let's see what that animal looks like And you can get him 25 30 pounds. Wow Oh look at him right there attacking a hog, huh? Look at him fighting go back My god look at him fighting

They're bad now. Now. Have you have witnessed some good animal fights and be honest there? I've seen I've had my dog. I've been out before my dog get attacked by raccoon and they're They're pretty I mean they're vicious. They won't let a raccoon a bad raccoon Well instead of running he'll just lay up rare up on his back lay down his back and fight. Oh, yeah But that way he's got his back covered on the ground and fight. Yes That's almost like they teach you an MMA to kind of do that This episode is brought to you by modify and the last website you'll ever need. Yep It's the last website you will ever need. Think about that. Think about a website

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So hey, I want you guys to uh to finesse about this or chat about this and we will do it All right now back to the show When I was growing up rabies was a big deal You know, I mean it was just popular you would constantly hear about it the fear of it what was going on And then I get a text from somebody Maybe a year ago and they said rabies is kind of making a comeback. Have you heard of this? Yeah, it's rabies um in kentucky in my area of the state It's the it's gotten worse over the last couple years. Oh christ as in not I don't know of people cases, but animals

um getting tested and getting the rabies at the fox raccoon skunk And coyotes are all in the rabies vector and we have to euthanize those now because there's such a high number of rabies cases with them Now you roll up on one of these right one of these, you know something that's rabid How do you know out of the gate? Um, I got a call last week from a car dealership at home. Hey, we got this raccoon Excuse me. Excuse me. It's skunk forgetting animals. Make that bill's a skunk. They said oh look if a skunk gets his nails done

It's almost a damn raccoon. I'll tell you that in the middle of the parking lot It 12 o'clock in afternoon at lunchtime. Yeah, and it's walking around in circles. It's falling down It's stumbling. It's stomping, which what's that something they do when they're threatening? They'll stomp their they'll rear up and take their feet and stomp the ground It's basically like seeing a like somebody that's cracked out on drugs and it's spraying it is spraying some it is spraying some scent Oh, hell yeah spraying it's a Essence which I call it it's kunk spray and it's doing that and I thought well It's it's it's showing signs. It's either got this temper or rabbit

Damn, and so I come out and And I end up I just I put my gloves on I brought a cage put a cage down over next to it And I took some six foot tongs, which is like just big grabbers and just kind of forced it into the Pushed it into the trap shut the lid and done deal But that I mean you don't know if it's right. It's it's showing signs of either being this temper or rabbit Now a rabbit animal has to be Euthanized or taken. Yes, sir taking control like there. There's you can't there's no cure for rabies I youth I have to in my part of the state

I have to euthanize the skunks because there's so many of them have been found With rabies that if I capture one, you know one in the wild is one thing but once I capture one We have it. They want me to euthanize right because then it could really infect a person at that point Yeah, I mean it's it's not afraid of people. It's coming around your house You don't want to let that one go so you don't want to relocate it because it could have rabies It could have another disease and then you would transmit that to the rest of the population in that area Yeah, so I mean it's oh, yeah, if it's out there stomping its feet in a parking lot at noon I mean it'll be washing your damn windows at fucking 4 p.m.

It's a not kernel animal a raccoon you see a raccoon at middle of the daytime something's wrong. That's a big sign Now so once you get that animal Now to euthanize you guys have you take it to a certain places or like kind of like a bag and gas kind of vibe or is it? I mean we have the state. Let's just do different types of euthanasia Um gas chambers and most popular which is The ceo and you know And it just pain you know puts him to sleep. Oh, yeah We used to have a carbon monoxide leak over at my buddy Jeff's house, dude

And so his nobody knew right this was in 94 5 baby, you know and uh And we just started smoking weed. We didn't even know about do a huffing gas, you know and next thing, you know, man We go over there. We fall asleep on friday wake up on sunday, baby boy, you know I mean dude, I woke up. I felt damn nine months old dude. I felt so good man Because he had a gas leak in there, you know, so every now and then a little bit isn't It's not horrible, but it's uh a lot of kill you Yeah, a lot of kill you now if you have so that's so that's a raccoon being rabid

Well, how do you know some of these other animals are rabid? Well, I mean a raccoon will act the same way Uh, what a what they'll like bill. No, you said we already said raccoon. What we're talking about skunk. Oh, that was a skunk Yeah, the skunk's the one I captured the parking lot. Oh, that was that that I that it's showing signs of being sick Either distemper or rabies, you know, you I treat I kind of treat them all like they got something just like uh in uh in the fire in my E. M. At fire department setting like on a wreck. I treat you treat everybody like they got something that way you're always covered You always wear PPE always wear your gloves. You don't say well, he don't have it. Don't need him

You treat everything like it's got it. So whenever I handle the animals, I always got my gloves on you treat all of them Like they would have rabies just you don't so you don't take the chance um now when you uh When you're going on these house calls and stuff. Well How about this? What's the uh love life like is it hard to meet a woman when you're in the animal world? Do you ever meet a woman on a call that you ended up taking on a date sometime?

I could imagine I can't take to me on dates. Oh, you're married now, huh? Oh, yeah, I've been married for 23 years. Did you meet your wife through animals? No, no, no No, I met I met her oddly enough cruising the parking lot back in the good old days back in the 90s Oh, yeah, we all used to cruise. That's where we're at cruise sonic. What'd they have came arts? Oh dang, really? March. Yeah, dude. We used to meet up at a Michael They had like Michael's craft store and we'd always meet up over by Michael's out in front of Michael's on like a Friday or Saturday, she don't like telling it So I mean we met cruising in the parking lot and it went from told her I told her that night

I was going to marry her and she just laughed at me and here we are Been married 23 years and we were together for about two years before that so And she she likes it. She's not some of my animals aren't her favorite. I mean she doesn't like go on call She'll go maybe with me a checkered trap. She won't get out of the truck She I'll tell you a quick little story. She I had a bunch of when we were allowed to relocate still I realized we got a 500 acre farm. Okay, and I would let now when you say you're allowed to relocate just clarify So I know what we're saying Was that mean you're allowed to take animals? Yeah, like if I had some raccoons

I could relocate them on an approved area. They had to be 100 plus acres And had to be landowner permission and I could release them And so that was something that was allowed by the state by your area for your job in your area It's no longer allowed. No, not on no certain animals or rabies vector animals. Okay So, I mean if I catch a groundhog, I can release right get your squirrel. I can release but some animals you cannot raccoons I can't release them not anymore so anyway, so I had about six or seven raccoons and I was letting I had my wife with me. I said, well, you video this will make a good video

So I said you video it and I'm gonna let him go And so she's all here. He is sitting is and I get the trap out and I set it down and it runs off and she's video And oh, it runs off in the woods and I do two or three like that and then I get one up And I said this was for you, baby I turn around let it go and it went right after went right next to her feet Scared her to death scream that that was the last time she went with me when we let animals go That'll do a little bit upset over that. She's just scared. Now my daughter be right there I'll bring in kit raccoons and my daughter, you know, she'll play with them and hold them and she's all into animals

but if I liked letting them go I mean, it was the better alternative. Yeah, I had to do what they I had to do what my state requires me to do Right. So some of it's not always good, but What's an animal and look you can also you don't have to have you ever seen somebody? I had an animal or not supposed to have and you let it slide as their business as their deal Yeah, I don't enforce. I don't care what I mean I've been to people's houses and they've had pet deer and pet raccoons. I mean, it's about something bigger than that

I'm in something bigger than that. I'm talking about. Have you ever seen anything somebody got a dam? And you could just blink at me if you have I mean animals or other stuff Animals or other stuff. I've seen a lot of other stuff. Oh, yeah, I have too. I've seen full-fledged meflabs and oh hell Yeah, you know, I mean I go into have you ever rescued a rat or something out of the attic of a of a meth lab Actually, I did a In a in a town I want in the town. Um, I was doing a bat inspection on a apartment complex. It was a

low-income housing department. You're just this Government run look if I'm on meth dude, I promise y'all I definitely think there's bats around baby. Let's go. So I go into this place and I'm looking I'm he says well, we got they had a back call and so I'm certain they had like 18 buildings two store bins I'm certain I'm going through the attics of all they took all day long to inspect all the addicts I go this one house and I was like nobody's here and his apartment. He said, oh, yeah We hadn't got this cleared to to rent back out yet. And I was like, okay And the the guy the maintenance guy's downstairs and I'm walking through the structure and I get up to the attic

And I get my ladder open the door at myself Well, what's up all the what's with the white paint and all these little cards hanging and he said, oh, that's where they We had a meth lab up here and they came in decontaminated it And they spray I don't I really don't know it they paint they seal everything up a type of paint That if something's in the wood from that meth lab, it seals it up to where It can't harm anybody. Oh, I see what you're saying. And so I go up and do this adding It's all like this just bright white in here and he's got all these little These little cards hanging. It's supposed to detect any type of chemicals if something's still lingering interest

So and I was like, okay, it's like a let's paper on most of sorts Yeah, it's just like a it had to just an indicator if it something detected something it changed colors or had a little gate meter on it So that was a meth lab had been cleaned up and that was a different one But I've found full fledged ones before I mean I go into million dollar homes and I go into places It ought to be burnt to the ground but I mean every if everybody's house and if people's doing meth That's their business. You don't deal with that. I'm not I'm there for that. You know people Oh, I'm sorry man. I'm here at the meeting. I'm like, no, I don't I mean I've seen you name it I've seen it really and I just nope

You know when I go into the house and I'm looking for a bad, you know, I'm not in your kitchen I'm going underneath your bed, right? I'm going in your closets. I'm looking into places that usually people don't look in your house So you probably see some wild stuff a lot of stuff. Yeah a lot of drug paraphernalia Yeah, a little bit of everything. Yeah, I mean you see you you see everything some stuff, you know, they're like, oh, they'll get They'll be like, oh my god here. I'm sorry. I didn't know he's gonna look here. I'm like, dude. I don't I don't care You ever see anybody hiding in that person's house or something like that. No, I see where they've hid stuff Yeah, stuff that they don't want people to know I go up into addicts and I find You know, you'll find stocks old nudie books up in the house years ago old beer cans

Sex toys. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Hidden up in that. I mean everything over. I mean you do it long enough. You find I mean, I'm underneath the houses. I'm in the addicts. I'm crawling through the closet looking for stuff You're gonna run into stuff. You're in the nooks and crannies baby at that point. And some of it's kind of nasty You know when you're in there I mean Do or if I'm at a place doing a rat job, you know Clean good houses and clean places can get rats. I mean, they're there for the food source But if you have a dirtier environment, it's going to try more

Bugs rats mice And it just gets nastier. Have you been in some places that it gets pretty bad? Take me on a take me on a take me on a tail Oh, I did a single-wide trailer several years ago way out in the country rural setting And the complaint was rats. I said, okay, and I got my stuff. So I'll come out and do an inspection and so I come out And they got chickens chicken coop right in the backyard chickens running around right next to the trailer piles of

Crack corn feeding their chickens They got multiple dogs outside great big bowls full of dog food as well. This could be my sister, honestly So I know where the rats are going to be there. Oh, you know already where they're going to be I know they're there because of food source. Okay, right. So all that crack corn dog food crack They got to have a food source. Got it. And so I go inside and as soon as I open the door up I see a rat run through Damn And so here's this man and woman in the house and had two children an older child and a younger child

and It wasn't the cleanest of conditions, but I mean, I can't judge right. I'm not there to judge how anybody is, you know And I'm just there to do my job. So I talked to her and started investigating It was so bad in one room that I went in the room and there was a Um The my generation know you may when you used to have to take top off a soup lid So you'd have to take the cat now. They're just Peel up and you pull the cane just top off. Yeah, you had to cut the top off

When I said, why are there soup lids nailed all around the walls on the base at the baseboard? Oh, that's where the rats chew through and each time they chew a new hole We we nailed a soup can lid over top that Hey, so I knew there's going to be a bad job. I mean, it was such a bad infestation that I'd catch a rat And it would get eaten before I got there Like it she'd get up in the morning and check all the traps and say, okay We got some rats and so I'd schedule it to come over there when I would get there I've found just like the back legs left bones the rats are they'll cannibalize each other

Now, well, they only cannibalize each other once they've been caught so they don't like give any information The other one's not going to sit still long enough to count unless it dies But I don't know what I'm saying is like, um Dude, the rats realize, okay, you know Henry or whatever got caught We got to kill him so he doesn't tell anybody else Or if he's already dead or here here, Henry, he's food. We're going to eat him now So I don't know they I mean like I said mother nature's cruel once again, you know, it's

Cannibalize each other the rats, but I mean it's and they're there for the food source I mean left uncontrolled they're getting your walls and ceilings and You know, I think we ended up catching 30 40 rats out of there and got rid of all of them Now have you ever had anybody? I'll tell you this. I was at this is in New York City. I'm in New York City And I met a man from Iowa who used to his friend sold The penis he sold raccoon Penis necklaces This is what the man told me right in the street and I thought that first man was crazy and then I got his phone number

You know because it sounded interesting and I haven't looked at my phone in years, but I bet it's in there and Is that a do have you ever had anybody call you and say hey, you know, uh Mr. Forrest, will you help me collect some of that? You know, I'm trying to do something or I'm going into a business You know rabbits feed or something. Will you help me collect? An item along the way I could have brought some for you. I got a whole box of Coon penises. Do you really? Yeah, I save them every time when I don't the the fur values so bad now The market's just kneel and how much fur is on a raccoon penis?

Well, I mean for the the animal the like for the like in the winter time like if I kept for fur tapping I catch a raccoon And I'll skin I'll skin it out and keep the fur and sell it in an auction for auction Oh, okay, this is this getting outside the the wildlife but this is a trap back to the just trapping part and you would you scan it out dry out and sell it auction Well, they used to back in the 70s. You might have got 30 40 dollars for a Raccoon pelt now you just the pelt. Yeah, just a pelt now you might go last year's auction I went to there were 50 cents up to five dollars. Yeah, so that's That's not worked my I won't I don't spend the time to do it right. I don't I don't go out and specifically trap for them

But when I did do it and when I do if I catch one, I'll take it back skin it out And if it's a bore, I'll keep I'll keep the picker. I mean they're they're worthy I mean you can there's guys that buy them. They make toothpicks out of them. Really? Yep, they make toothpicks out of them. Can you pull up a picture of that Sean? Raccoon penis toothpick and so is it how much bone is on that penis better? Be honest about like a pencil I mean, you'll wow leave so it's it's I could have brought what you should I wish we talked about that I'd have brought you one So that's raccoon penis right there. Damn. That's hardy Yeah, koon dick toothpick. Damn that baculum brother

It's I mean they're You can sell about every part of the animal and the skulls were you know, the guys that do it the skulls were something The glands are worth something You know actually some places I thought thank you Louisiana thought they sell raccoon meat A lot of people eat raccoon. It's I haven't had it. I've never tried eating groundhog I've eaten bobcat backstraps But I've never tried to raccoon. How's bobcat? I've had pelican and I've had dove Well, I mean the body just tastes like meat. I mean you could I mean, I know guys in trapping groups

I'm on face, but they've tried to coat backstrap But I mean a backstrap's a box. I mean, it's all meat once you get the hide off of it It's meat, but to each their own we tried bobcat just for the hay we tried it But that's something I wouldn't eat nor we eat every day Uh, my grandparents. I used to hear my grandparents talk about eating Groundhogs all the time. I'll get that young groundhog. I'll eat that and I've actually had groundhog years ago It's all right, but I know I've eaten a beaver, but the the animal

I got you. Yeah, where we go anywhere No, I feel and it's a good dark red meat. It's it's really good. You make beaver stew. Really? Yeah It's a really good meat out of anything that you would trap outside. I mean, we do nooses trapping for beavers, too Okay, but in the wind, you know in fur trapping. Well, no, I like beaver trapping. It's a good meat. It's a darker It's a good red meat. It's a really good meat I haven't had that. I'm sure and I'm sure I could probably get into it in this area You know, uh, because I spent about half the year out here now. It looks like I'm sure I'll be able to get into You know just more option for that meat, you know the further west you get they

They don't want you having any meat. I mean, you can't go to the grocery store and buy but you can buy it out of You know, I'm sure select places or track. No, it's I mean, it's not usda inspected stuff No, dude, I don't want it to be you know, I mean, it's it's good. No, I want that bootleg stuff I want the guy who's got a cooler on his on his on his passenger seat bootleg beaver There you go. I've had some brother. That's for sure Um, so tell me about this though when you get uh, the the bone of the raccoon the penis Do they Um, have anybody ever made like a thing of necklaces or I'm sure they have. Okay. I mean, I haven't I mean, but I'm sure

I'm sure there are people out there have It's amazing to have that much penis on them They make a lot of teeth like coyote teeth. They'll make uh necklaces out of them bare teeth Yeah, I mean, there's there's a necklace out of one. Yeah, it's beautiful. God, it's beautiful I mean once you polish it and clean it up, it's just bone. Yeah, just no one worked come from or what it is I mean, if I laid that out there, you would never know what it was I mean, unless you've studied that or looked at it, you'd never know what that was Oh, hell no, I'd have stirred dude. I don't you get on eBay and buy. Oh, I'd stir preserves with that thing, bro

That wouldn't yeah, you can get right on there. You can buy. I mean, you can look on eBay and buy I mean, what's a what's the largest uh What is the largest, uh Animal penis you've seen that's out there And I won't tell anybody Okay, I mean it probably a coyote. Wow. We don't skin him. I mean, I don't take those out But when you skin him, you got to skin around it. I mean, it's it's bigger than the raccoon And the bone part is bigger than the raccoon. So some animals have bone in their penis, huh? Yeah, but we don't have it

I mean, it's the animals the I don't know what all animals. I'm not that And here you go right here now. Let's let's zoom in on that brother. Yeah, there's the coyote. Let's go down this penis bone chart Just let's get a look at it here. Let me see what we got here. Damn. Now otter's got that heater on him, huh? Otter's got that dang, uh, rudder. Yeah Wow badger got that interesting piece on him That red fox don't have much on him dude. R. I. P. The weasel Yeah, that weasel ain't got nothing boy I'll tell you look. I'll be real honest about where I am on this chart. I'm probably about a badger

I'm in between badger and otter I'm not gonna say don't comment. Okay. Okay. No worries man. No worries. I'm just trying to be you know, you know I love maybe I'm a little more badger. Okay. I'll be honest with you, right? I'm a little more badger, right? Um, we got another question that came in from one of our listeners, man We had so many questions that came in for you. Um We won't get to all of them, but some of them we we do have here Yo tvw. Hi. How's everyone doing? My name is bk originally for miss africa I've got two questions for the wildlife control fella

um The first one is have you been on a call where somebody Um decided to keep a wild animal as a pet and then change their mind something like a monkey or maybe something crazier Uh, and if so, what what was that experience like? My second question is, um What are your thoughts on people keeping? um birds as As pets, you know things like parrots

Um, yeah, what do you think about that? My stepdad his first wife. She was really, um, I don't know what was wrong with her, but she had countless birds and then he left her but um What do you see a lot of that who has birds who has birds? That's a good question. Who has birds? I have five birds. Okay, my daughter. We all have a more family. How big are these and how loud are they? They can we have two parrots there She'll kill me if I say this wrong end in ring necks. Okay parrots. We have we have two of those One of one of them's talking what the other one's young dad and talking it Echo he he's quite talkative. We don't discuss brain

Said talked about bringing a pet bringing something with them It said the hotel probably wouldn't like that and I asked my daughter. She said only if I can come She wouldn't sit in the bird. Well, maybe next time we'll have her come too, man. Oh, that's a beautiful bird Yeah, there we have a blue one and the green one. Yeah. Oh, they're beautiful And so now do you rescue these out of people's homes? No, these were these weren't rescues. Okay. Now we she does have a I always got a couple parakeets different types of parakeets and we have a love bird which came from an animal rescue there came from a On as a bird rescue and it had been I think it'd been abused. Oh mishandled wasn't handled properly

And it's like seven years old and love is a battlefield brother and she got she got it I mean, there's all there's animal rescues where parrots weren't taken care of you know big and macaul You know just animals are just like dogs and cats can get abused where animals aren't taken care of mistreated They're giving up now. Now. What about show animals? Anybody, you know Sometime you see like I know they had a cat show for a while out there near Fresno, they got busted and They shut down had a disband and get rid of a lot of the cats and a lot of the you know, there's people you see I know you mentioned earlier. They got squirrels. I remember out it

um I don't know if it was dollywood or someplace in arkansas They used to have that little you know the squirrel on the water skis a little deal They put out there at recess or whatever lunch, you know, and you could throw a little barbecue chips at them or whatever But have you had any uh animals that have you have you had any shows that have shut down in your area? Any matte magicians and you had to go rescue the dove or anything like that or reach into a hat You know like anything you've had to do like were the the performance animals. Well, I I did Get a call about white rats and they were obviously domesticated rats and somebody let go

And there's quite a few of them in this kind of a neighborhood, but they were coming to one house Okay, and I mean I I called out caught all them just like I do any other rats, but they were all white So they were domesticated rat that somebody couldn't care for and they just released it Okay, but you don't know if they were in shows or anything. Oh, no. No, they wouldn't in a show No, I don't not not where they were at. They weren't in the show. I've never I've never had to get anything that somebody had in a show that were something that was released now We think you know how a couple years ago a guy let You know something don't know what he was unhappy about but he had a lot exotic cats and he let them all everything go

And I think they ended up having to euthanize most of them. They were just you know, you let a Cougar go you got no or the lion you skate You know, they're going to get somebody that I think they euthanize most of but that was somebody that Just let pets go that they shouldn't have had to start with. Okay So tell me take me into the big cat game. What's that like when you get some of these big cat calls and Uh, what kind of cats do you deal with? I mean the only cats I deal with are bobcats. Now are they violent? Oh, they're out of all the and bike goes into the trapping part of it the The uh, I catch a coyote

They try to get away from me. I mean they're they're caught. They're going to be as far if there's a if it's a If they have three foot of chain or cable attached to that trap or a snare They're going to be as far away as they can get from you cowered away from it Uh bobcat comes after you the bobcat or they'll flat come after you here's a question right here. They came in about one Video oh is a video you're right here dealing with one. Okay Wow And is it chained down to the ground right now it's caught in a foot trap And I like the red fox. I don't like the

So this is a red fox. This isn't a bobcat. Yeah, that's that's a red fox. I like the red fox They they are on the euthanasia list in the nuisance part now. This is this is fur trapping regular I'm trapping under my trappers license And I'll release all them when possible because they're just don't see as many of them And I just use a choke pole. Mm-hmm. And so I let him loose and he'll bam. He's He's off to live another day There was a girl I ran into a girl a couple of months ago in los angeles and she had a fox fur coat And she was kind of wearing it late at she didn't want to tell everybody she told everybody it was fake

But then I I felt like it wasn't fake, you know, I touched it and I felt like I said, I don't know. I felt some fake stuff before and they feel like real stuff. Oh, they're very nice So she admitted to me secretly she'd been doing drugs, but she told me secretly that it was real So there's I mean there's a lot of the fur industry is really gone. You'll see more actors actors Um singers sporting fur sporting bobcat. That's the biggest thing I I have several bobcats that I've been that I've held on to That I want to have made him to a vest or coat and I have some black Black coats that I've held that I've trapped over the years. Wow. I don't want to have a kind of like a black

Coat biking and bobcat front. I'd buy something like that from you here. I mean, it's I mean, there you can I mean the fur coat the like the bobcats I sell that all the fur goes to for the fur industry most of it Ships to like china and russia for you know liners for fur coats or jackets But like the bobcats, there's a guy that was used to buy my name the lexin in kentucky that makes custom furs Coats and stuff and he buys the bobcats for that Yes, I don't know if it's secretly still a pretty big business or not. You know, I mean it's I mean a lot of people are down on it I mean, but a lot of people like it too and a lot of people are down on what we do, you know

People don't like the trapping. Yeah, I mean it it enters them sometime. You know, it it catches them by the foot You know, it does hurt You know, it does do more more they fight the more they might hurt themselves But I've actually got in places to trap before farms to trap in the winter by taking a trap and sticking my hand in it And just usually like a number two when it's not real hard powerful It don't break the bones break to see it don't feel good. But that lets somebody know, okay Well, if a dog does get caught in it's not going to break its foot off Right and if I'm willing to stick my hand in it

They're willing to let me track because they don't fear what the cat gets it is not going to kill the cat Right, it just won't like it very well, but it'll be released unharmed. I mean, it's kind of strange You know, I do that but some people do that you do Trapping's getting harder and harder to find places to trap. Well, it's weird that we're part of nature But we sometimes act like we're this But we're this more conscious part of nature I guess because it's not like you probably have some raccoons That won't come in and kill the babies to get the mother to go back in it

You know, I'm saying it's not like you don't have these other dirty parts of nature that run its course um You know, I have a friend who does some big game hunting and he talks about how A lot of times the the conservation the place you go to hunt whatever it is You have to pay like half a million dollars to do it and the money you pay It's usually a sick animal that you're killing or an old animal that's not procreating one now the group. Yes And so the money you're going to pay is going to take care of 500 other animals, you know, like um, it's just interesting sometimes like

Uh, how one news article You know, sometimes just won't give you all the facts so at least you can make um, Have a little bit more information a lot. They'll feed like they'll take that animal too and they'll feed the whole village Right. Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they won't even they might take a They might get some part of the animal taxidermy to get a photo or something like that Uh, for their relic, but they're gonna. Yeah, but that That the food from that could feed the entire village and also But the money for the conservation group is gonna

It's gonna bring to it's gonna help so many more animals live It's almost unbelievable. You know, I mean the hunters have been that money goes for the preservation The to keep the poachers away. Totally, you know, the Fancy or whatever and you need it. Look, I'll tell you this. I was in South Africa. This is probably Maybe eight years ago seven years ago doing comedy shows over there And we met a man one day and he was rich this man was rich man He him and his wife had run a diamond mind or mine

and they Or hell, maybe it was a damn diamond mind. Maybe it was damn Indiana Jones But they had run something where They had made a ton of money, but they owned a nature preserve their own I mean and this dude took us in the helicopter over there and I actually ended up hooking up with this girl from one time I still feel pretty bad about that but uh, but anyway, this man took us over to their nature preserve and And he took us around to I mean the biggest animals that he might have had damn dinosaur

I don't remember what he had, but I mean he had tries uh, rhinoceros Everything, you know, I mean just we pulled right up next to him and they were his in his damn yard I mean his yard. I'll admit was probably 50,000 acres or something, but it was a yard fast forward two weeks He sends me a picture The two rhinoceros we'd seen Somebody broken in and sawed their horns off with a uh chainsaw and just left the bodies right there to rot And he said poachers had gotten in and gotten them and it was just trying to protect them and get the people there

Poach them just to sell that little bit of ivory off of them, right? So it's just interesting. It's like one thing's gonna happen It's just nature. It's like this part of nature is gonna happen. Sometimes you have to Do another part of you have to just it's about managing nature Yeah, so that's what my I mean, it's gotta get in the way from the new the wildlife part Like by trapping my daughter doesn't she doesn't like me getting all the animals that you know, but she she loves animals Right, but I we keep them in check, you know This year, uh, I trapped 66 coyotes. Wow And over the course of the four month trapping season, you know

Think how many coyotes I took out of the population all those females which over half of them were females And you're gonna have all those young, you know, all the baby deer that I saved all the young turkeys that I saved all the I do a lot of work for a sheep farms and all the baby sheep Oh sheep will get attacked and sheep is just a damn fucking throw pillow full of dinner dog They'll get them bitches immediately. So I just I mean we got to keep it in check, you know, everything's got to be kept in check Or if not, it'll Like the deer, I mean, that's why they have deer seasons and they keep up in the quota If they didn't have a deer, if you weren't allowed to kill a deer, I mean you your insurance

That's what makes your insurance cost so much now as all the wrecks. I mean where I live at deer Deer collisions are horrible. I mean, I've got friends have hit 10 different deer in their life told cars I mean, it's they're there and if we didn't have these seasons to keep them in check There'd be just that much more of them on the roads crossing the roads It's like all the other animals if there wouldn't but it's all in a Um a balance right the groundhogs are starting to come make a comeback and why are they doing it? What's going on their main predator was the coyote? Oh, so if you take so if you take too many it messes up the cycle you take too many coyotes out

And then the groundhogs are going to get overpopulated. Damn. So I mean everything's got a spot Everything's got a little spot in that food chain But I mean they have to be kept in check. I mean people know it's it's part of It mother nature does it herself with disease and stuff. You know, we're just giving her a little help in hand No, look, I think it makes perfect sense. Like you're saying if you don't take those coyotes out Then how many more turkeys do they get into? How many more baby deer do they kill? How many more, uh Chicken houses do they just different things? How many more different circles will they mess up? I mean bobcats They'll they'll a bobcat take down a full grown deer. Damn. I mean they a bobcat goes for the neck will attack

No, a cat goes for the neck canine usually go for the rear. They bite. No, they They attack from the rear But you know a bobcat they'll take down and pets both of them will take down coyotes or big pet killers Because cats if you we got cats that are round dogs I have a little healer the cat's not scared of the dog So a coyote can walk right up to a cat and just chomp just take it with it because the cat that's scared of it Oh, because they're the same species. Well, I mean whether they're used to my cats used to dog You know, most cats are used to cats that are outside are used to I'm talking. I'm not talking about bobcats now

I'm like a domesticated house cat or used to Dogs and so if a coyote walks through your yard and the cats are the cats like hey, what's up? Oh, he's just a dog. Yeah, and thanks to just a dog and bam You know coyotes are starting to come into our neighborhoods and eating the pets because they're easy meals Wow, and they'll eat they'll eat small dogs. They'll eat that bobcats Don't know if they're real they'll eat another cat If it's out and you know if they can get to it. They're they'll eat. They're a hunter. They'll eat whatever they can come across my god But they they kill I mean I've seen videos

On cameras where coyotes were attacking deer bobcats were attacking deer Do you feel sometimes like we're kind of ruining the world and that we it's like kind of a bummer that we're in it Not in a bad way like but just do you ever like have that moment where you're like, man? Nature'd be so much better world. We're we're asking them to live in their That's your after I know that you look I think you have a good You got a unique position because you're that you know, you're kind of that middleman You that middleman where it's like hey, man, whenever, you know, somebody starts, you know

Stepping on when it's, you know, red rover red rover a coyote came over, you know, I'm saying you're the guy they call Yeah, you know like you're that frickin you're the you're the referee kind of yeah, so I think getting your perception is interesting that Yeah, we're kind of So you would say it feels like we're on their turf in the world. Yeah, I mean it's we're Uh bats will go into bats, uh, you know, they mainly they'll live in trees. I mean bats are everywhere and they'll live in trees Are they really and the more trees and structures that we remove to build houses and whatnot They're gonna come live in your house. Right. Once again, it's just a big tree to them Here's the question we got that came out. Oh, there's some video right here. Are you dealing with one of them? Yeah

There's one photo. Yeah, that's one I removed from uh from a house. Wow I mean they they have canines if you you see their teeth. I mean they have canine just like It's like a dog. I mean they got the big canine teeth. Oh, yeah, I mean they they can inflict a pretty good bite on you So, I mean don't air you see a bat. Don't just call call the professionals and let them I've got I've got all protective gloves. You get bit by him and he flies off Do you get rabies shots? And you don't want to have to go do that. That's pretty pretty nasty shots Have you seen someone die rabies? No, I haven't I know I know several people personally have had rabies

I've done a couple jobs where the people had such a bad bat problem Um, they've already had to they've gotten bitten already had to get rabies vaccine shot or rabies shots and still haven't got rid of the bats Damn, so just Some people just I don't know just don't understand aren't educated or slow learners or if I got rabies shots I'm probably getting rid of the bats if I had them that bad. Yeah, I think But I mean they can bite you if you have one in your living space I mean they could bite you and you not know it when you're asleep enough to know just a little Prick and you not notice it and there you go. So do um

Have you had uh Anybody have you had any senior citizens living with animals? They didn't know they were living with like any crazy instances like that Um, I had a elderly lady that she kept hearing something and there's a possum in her house It had come in through one of the vents in the bedroom that she hadn't used for a while pushed the vent up And it was running around the house. She she actually thought was a cat Mm-hmm. She just caught they always think that glimpses of it But I mean other you know People I mean that was actually living in the house with her. Amen. You know the other ones would be under the house and in

I mean, right, they'll I've had a customer sent me a They said uh, they sent me a message texting me said we got a raccoon problem. Can you help? I said, yeah, and I said well, you know, it's a raccoon And they sent me a picture the raccoon had come through the ductwork into the ceiling and the kitchen knocked the register out And we're when you screw all that ductwork together you see big Metal screws sheet metal screws and it got itself wedged up in them screws and was hanging there And just a bloody mess blood where it'd been trying to get out all over the ceiling dripped all over the floor And she sent me a picture said we're pretty sure it's a raccoon

And I mean picture of the damn thing still alive bleeding all over the place. So I couldn't I had to I went over as far as quick as I could and was able to put somebody on the bottom When it took the ductwork off and captured it and got it out of there. I don't believe but they'll get in some pretty Predictments bad spots. Now, what's animals you won't deal with? I'm guessing probably for surely, you know, big large aquatic I'm sure isn't your deal and uh, what else you think isn't um Under my lies that we can't bear shark. We can't deal in kentucky. We can't deal with deer turkey

Black bear elk when I allowed to unless who's at the police you call one of the Fish and wildlife unless they give us unless the commissioner of fish and wildlife says, okay We'll give you permission to take care of this animal But normally those are certain type animals that I can't like somebody's got a black bear And I can't help you so you're that middleman kind of and when I what's something you won't go down and handle either I mean, you're not handling pests really. You're not handling You know roaches or even large roaches. I don't like but I'm scared of spiders I'd rather go wrestle a bobcat underneath the house then get a spider. I hate spiders. I mean, I'm

Damn, I hate spiders. Yeah, my wife makes this funny. I mean, I'll hand I'll grab a raccoon with my bare hands and gloves. I won't get a spider. I don't like spiders. Wow Eat your zone. I don't you don't do pests. So you don't do so. No, I don't do insects. I'm not licensed But I'm licensed wildlife. I don't do I don't do the bug work. I mean, that's that's more It's it's more licensing because you're spraying a chemical inside the house with people Do you look down on those people at all? Like it's kind of easy. I don't know I get they get there I mean the bug guys they call me animal guys But they're I mean, I get we get a lot of work from the pest control because they get

They get pest cause somebody gets a raccoon. They look up in the phone boot and they call pest control Terminator and so then that exterminator calls me and says hey Marty, we got Customers got raccoons. Take care of it. Right or then I'll go to a house and Oh, and I'll be doing a job. Well, I find termite damage when I'm in Cross space or you know something like that and hey, yeah, I recommend this guy Yeah, and then we help each other out and I would pass it back and forth Right and we just be in professional courtesy and help each other. I scratch your badger. You scratch mine. Yeah, there you go And then some guys

Do both. Yeah, a lot of guys have their pest control license and wildlife license. Okay, but I just had the one But I mean the bigger just bigger company and then while or pest control is a big big business. Yeah Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah, it seems like it Um, would you get calls every day? Yeah, I get I mean, I'm not Big, you know Hundreds of calls a week, but I get quite it. You know, it varies you get slow I might get a bunch of calls and it might not phone might not ring for a day or two

But I've always got jobs going on so I'm staying right because some of them take a couple days couple weeks Well, yeah, some of them take a while bat jobs. I've got several bat jobs scheduled already for this spring You know, I keep I'd like to be I don't want to be busy. I've got one guy. I don't want to be busier than that I want right. I don't want to get I don't want to grow too big. I mean it'd be good to grow But then you have more people you have more responsibility more responsibility more vehicles more insurance more live it, you know It's a lot. Yeah, and then I won't lay then I'll be home at laying awake worrying about I got Jobs work for this guy and this guy and I make this payment. I I'm happy with what I'm doing me and one guy And that's keeping me happy. Tim. You said his name is yeah, Timmy Cooper. He's a he's my farm hand

He's my wildlife man. He's home right now putting engine in one of our race cars. Oh, really? Yeah, he's getting we're getting ready for race season. He's working on that right now Okay, so the summertime is rate like so what kind of racing you guys do? Compact it's cavaliers hondas. I race a cavalier. Okay, so you get out there and uh, and uh dirt track dirt tracks Yeah, so how often do you guys do that? Every weekend sometimes dirt track right over here. Oh, there is. Yeah, literally Yeah, there's that was last year's car hawk racing right there. Yeah hawk wildlife control and that's your car right there Yep, that's my car and that's your company. Yep. That's my company hawk wildlife control. Yes, sir

Um, and I'm the driver Amen, baby. Now I've got another car this year two of them this year and stay on that. He's going to drive it Now who is timmy the guy that works for he's going he's going to drive the second car Okay, and is he uh, and so now let me see what kind of case zoom in on that, please All right What kind of case you guys you know what that is That is the I bought that car already built That is a front of a shopping cart. Look at that now look after I said that and you look at that

That's a front of the shopping cart. It is upside down. I love it now my new car That I like this one The new car that I I you got you got pictures of it, too And it's got a custom built roll cage. I mean it's top notch Uh, good friend of mine, Cory Lewis from 1107 motor works at home where I live at he built me a custom Yeah, that car he built me he built me a custom cage. And now how fast this thing goes I will go 70 mile an hour 67 so what are the rules in this what is this what is this branch of racing called again?

This is the compacts. So in compacts, it's compacts four cylinder class. It's four cylinder motor So only a four cylinder. Yeah, it's front-wheel drive There's four cylinder rear-wheel drives and front-wheel drives. So these things you can't even get them going that fast anyway If you want it to already you can you can spend You can spend a lot of money on them. I don't um, I've got a I spent I spent way too much this year I mean you can go out and spend four or five thousand dollars if you want and having the motor built Just the eco tech just what's the run around the they're in Cavaliers or in Malibu's or ZHA during a bunch of different to Chevrolet engine

But they're just it's a cheaper class. I mean you get the Cavalier. It's affordable. Yeah, it's it's affordable class It's and you go up late model or modified or sport mod and you're getting bigger motors So what what what cars so what years and types of cars can be in this class of racing? The our track rules it's for it's got to be front-wheel drive and four cylinder. That's it. Yeah anything else Okay, take me to a race of that on youtube genre. Okay. I just want to see something We have a local dirt track right there in my home in my home county. Wow several around us and how often will you guys race? I mean we could race. I mean I rate we race every Saturday night Winter season starts and then they have other tracks that race on Friday nights and some race on a sunday

So we could go all over There we go right forward. Wow. So that's dirt track, huh? It's fun. Is it? Yeah. Is it pretty dangerous or not really? Yeah, it can I mean we wear full fire suit helmet. I mean it can I've never got I mean I've never wrecked other than hitting cars I've never had a rollover or gone off. I went off the bank once last year But they was a drive right back on but I watched a lot of guys get hurt in it. You can get hurt in it How much does it cost to be in it? What to to have the car just to race. Yeah, just take me through the costs I mean like I mean to race the

$30 pit pass and I'm racing that night Wow, just dirt just interest fee and usually we get like If we if we run the feature you get You get a $20 start money you get $20 back now that if you win no just to start just to be in the feature Everybody gets to say there's 15 to feature you get that start money back Even though you don't win and then I think our class is feature mean you get in the top 15 the big race You got hot laps. You got your hot laps and Then you go you got a you hot lap qualify. Yeah, and you're qualified

And then you go up to you get your feature lap then you're featured sometimes you get depends on how many cars you have You have one feature two features But our our projector track. I think they're paying out this year 800 for first and five for second That's a lot of money for a little compact. Yeah, it is man. And how uh, how long is the race? Uh, but ours is 15 laps Wow So what does that take maybe 12 12 minutes. Yeah, I mean it takes I mean you're moving on ours is

Some tracks are ours is a longer track and some tracks are shorter I mean it seems like it's forever when you're out there and you have a lot of cautions and you got sitting weight or Somebody rex and they got cleaned up all the drag it off the track and you'll be waiting I mean sometimes you might be out there 20 minutes, but there's no pit stops or anything. No, you can't in ours There's no pitting. There's no If you go I've I've run races with flat tires just kept on going till they till they tell me stop They they'll red black flag me red, you know get off the track Then I'm done

So anybody with a four-cylinder car could go get a pit pass and get in that race Yeah, as long as it's got a proof, you know the roll cage approved and you got your safety gear They'll get in and some of them inspect them pretty close But I mean you got to have a helmet and you got to have safety your your clothes fire extinguisher But I mean it's it's a fun dirt track has been in my area for years and years Yeah, my head bombers and stop you know stop cars bombers and now we're getting it just an affordable class It's just one that My first car I paid $1200 for it ready to race

It borrowed a helmet and was racing Yeah This year I built a new bought Bought a car bought an old car motor blowed up And had it all fixed up and repainted and up new body panels put on it and then putting in a built note Had the motor built put in it and all new cage built new racing seat and it's it's just a fun way So now you're getting into it now you're yeah, I mean i'm advertising it's it's business

Yeah, it's right off from a business. I like it. I like it wife likes that to write off. It's fun Blow off some steam. It's fun. Honey. I gotta go do some advertising tonight. Yeah So you need there's there's quite a few wildlife guys. Actually, I know now you know it would be cool, man And I'm just gonna give you a free idea here And this is you put a cage in the back. You throw a couple animals in that bitch while you're driving They bright frown on that Well, I don't know would they but do you want to talk about horsepower talk about raccoon power there? There you go Put a bunch of mean pissed off right. Yeah, dude be like damn. That's got eight raccoons

It's got it's got 280 horsepower. It also has eight raccoon power in it, baby It's not a bad idea really would they pay for the car really? I mean, you got catching raccoons and animals help pay for that car. Let them enjoy it, brother Let them enjoy the ride man. Some people do different things for inner now go out clubbing Now go we go race. Well, then the kids will want to come by and see your car before the right You know what I'm saying? There would be oh, well, they come down to pits and they look at the cars and take pictures I love the kid We do um, there's a thing they call running the track in before the race where

Where they're getting a track ready and they get it gets a little bit too wet where they water and we go run it in And just ride out and we're we just we just go slow. We don't go real fast and I'll take we'll take kids We can have somebody go with oh, that's cool. You talking about making you know, a little 10 year old day him riding that car Oh, man, just they love it. You know get to riding a race car. I mean, we're not nice car But no, but to them you are yeah, I mean it's for where I'm at. It's kind of like it. No, we're nice car Oh, it's still a race car To a 10 year old being on a track man out of dirt, which is one of their favorite things we have a He's I guess 11 now. He's 10 last year. He was racing

A compite and he had a sport mod wow any 10 years old And they start them I race against a lot of kids that are 10 12 14 years old here. I'm 48 and I'm racing against 10 year old Oh, look man, it's that's the world today, man It's you know, we got to compete with the young brother the competition and those are the ones that'll make a bigger It will make race car drivers when it started out young. Yeah, totally Yeah, maybe let's maybe we can leave out a lot if there's a story that you want to tell us something Maybe something like a wild experience that's happened over the years Um, one of the ones I was we were discussed

Get a call from a I do a lot of a lot of local work, but sheriff's department's police department will give me calls They get a deer stuck in a fence or now. Well, they sometimes call you when they just don't want to deal with something Well, they're just not their field. No, they get I'll get a call I know we got this raccoon and somebody's got a pet raccoon. Mm-hmm. Where they'll call me or um, police I this happens a lot. Um They'll uh, yeah, they'll have you know a wit a person at home residents

And they hear something and think somebody's breaking in it's a raccoon and they're at it. They think it's a person up there Oh, of course. So then the cops are you know, they'll be like, well, we know marty. Let's know here Here's his number and they'll call me and then I'll come out and try to take care of it for him But I get a call one night and it was real it was I don't know It's one or two o'clock in the morning. I get a call from the sheriff's department a couple counties away From their dispatch. So we need your help We get there on a traffic stop and they have an unusual occupant in the vehicle

And I said, well, what and they said, well, they said it might be a deer. I said, okay So I grab a big dog dog crate and my daughter wanted to go. She was still up. We were night owls And so she goes with me and so I go we travel there took about an hour to get there And I get there and there's all the cops are all on the side of the road and they got the guy out there And they're doing the touch and they're still doing a sobriety test on him Where he was drunk and I get up to the car and there's baby deer in the front seat And what was he doing to strike just sitting there? Oh, the guy had a pet deer. I mean the guy's driving around drunk with pet deer in his car. Oh hell, yeah

In the front seat and I think actually they tried I think they got him for wanting endangerment Maybe we're like a passenger for because it's an occupant. Oh Danger in that animal. I guess it's and uh, it it was tame. I mean it been bottle fed And so my we get the deer output at my truck and I You got pictures. He's got pictures of that there had he did my truck bottle feeding it on the way home Was it in the front seat or back seat? It was in the front seat of the car. Hell, yeah, right in the front seat. I had a seat belt It could have been a damn date dude, honestly

Not to judge Well, but I mean he had like you talked about the bling. It had a big fancy collar on it They had a collar a little duck pretty dog collar on it Look, it's hard to meet somebody man in some areas, you know, no judgment. It is but What it found out the guy had just like I talked to you before he found it on Abandoned and said it was orphan. Wow picked it up, you know and kept it because he didn't think mom is around But we kept it for a week or so. My daughter she bottle fed it and then we took it to rehab her And they I didn't check by me. They raised they'll bottle feeding raising that and it turned them loose

They came out in the wild Any wild horses or anything ever been called or anything it just anything like that any wild horses No Trying to think of any other animals that really are Um It's nice to know where this middle ground is. I get turtle calls. I've done some, you know, people just And what are they up to? Fapping turtles under ponds. I just don't want snapping turtles in the pond. You get to go and you get in there

I just oh, I don't do turtle man. I don't go in and wrestle the turtle and who does that? Well, the the turtle man guy. I don't do the oh, you call a reptile guy Yeah, he's uh, he had a show on he's in frimkentucky day called turtle man Oh, I never saw it. Yeah. Oh, you'll you said tv show on did he? Yeah Uh, he don't uh, it's not on anymore. He would go into ponds and actually grab them Um, yeah, there you go. He is actually a good friend of My good friend Ronnie vented it helped me get started in the wildlife business And he actually is a turtle wrangler. That's what he was known for

He goes in there feels for him and grabs him by the tail and pulls him out I just use a jug and a hook and catch him and get rid of him for him But it's interesting that the whole field it seems like, you know, your grandfather kind of got you in dealing with animals and and it's just interesting that it like In the same way that there's kind of the food chain and mother nature that The way that we learn things from each other and a lot of it is by Another human showing us something, you know, it's like anybody could give you a book or send you a link to a video But unless you really have somebody kind of showing you a lot of times

It's really how you get into things. Well, it's that like the trapping parts of dying thing. Yeah, I've had Uh, buddy, he didn't know him at the time several years ago. He messages me. Hey man I like I watch your I post all my catch pictures in the wintertime on my facebook page I'll make everybody wants to see my guy all but everybody's fascinated with it And just loves to see all the pictures. We'll put a link to that. What is it? It's on my just on my facebook page mardi voyors All right, we'll put a link to that. Then I have my business page Hawk wildlife controls on facebook also, but

um So he messaged me as one said I'm I like your stuff. Can I get in will you help me? Yeah, and so for about the next two years He went trying we became real good friends. We trapped I showed him. He didn't know a thing I mean his name was josh barn Maybe you get to see this and we became good friends and I taught him all about trapping everything that I've learned over the years And went out and trapped together for a couple years and then he went on his own now. He traps So and and hopefully he'll pass. He's got two daughters and hopefully maybe he'll pass that down to one of them or get to pass it on

I've helped several kids. No, well, he's not a kid But I've helped several people like that pass that tradition on right which is a dying tradition. Is it? Yeah, I mean you just don't see it any I mean, who do you know it goes out and traps coats in the winter. It's just a dying tradition. Nobody I mean it's kind of a you know one year my wife let me grow a beard I mean, I had a mountain man a pretty big there you go big full beard Fun Kate do it no more. She won't let me she won't know why what happens. She just don't like the beards Yeah

Oh, I can have a beard if it's neat and trimmed Yeah, and she's going to kill me for you talking about her but I if it's all neat and trimmed I can have it But rules is rules. We need rules man. We need rules happy wife. Happy life. There you go. That's what they say I believe that man Now but tell me this so a trapper. What does a trapper do? I just want to finish here So I know exactly clearly what a trapper is and what it does Me trapper versus wild lot nuisance wildlife Right. So when you say like you go trapping coyotes, like what are you like?

So when when I'm trapping I'm fur trapping there. Let me put it fur nuisance wildlife I'm getting rid of animals that say I can't I don't keep those first if I catch a raccoon. It's out of season Right. I don't keep those animals right and fur trapping is in the Winter months from november to end of february is fur bear season when I can go out and trap You can go out and trap ground or go out and trap coyotes raccoons fox Beavers bobcats. So it's just the same as hunting season, but it's for it's fur bear season first season season

And you know, it's a lot of young kids. You know, a lot of people do it the old timers and pass it on and just People learn. I mean, there's a million youtube videos about it. I mean, I'm still learning stuff every day I watch new new techniques and new methods. You know, it everybody's got their own Method on how they trap or baits they use or bait and lure business is a huge business. Is it trapping? Oh, yeah, I mean, they all make the similar baits, but everybody's got their best bait and what's that top bait use a lure What do you use chicken liver? No, it's like on my predator trapping One of my favorite lures is jeff dunlop lures

And he's just a big hardcore trapper and has developed his own lures baits and lures and now what kind of uh Meat if you use a Meat or something use of well most lures are made with baits are made with Like muskrat meat tainted muskrat meat. Oh, yeah, it's aged and got preserved. Oh, yeah or a beaver meat That's tainted a little bit to give off that to to give off the smell for the that predator. Oh, yeah So like uh, like bobcat, you know, they the muskrat Meat base base. They like that scrat

Pardon they like that scrat meat. Yeah I mean, that's one of the things to eat. Right, you know, I mean they're Beavers bobcats love beaver. So let me name something you tell me what eats it. All right uh Groundhog coyote, okay coyote Car Damn, I mean that's their they don't have a man

I mean man kind man's the coyote's prayer. Okay. So the food chain should have a damn Volvo in it, huh? I think that's kind of good man. Sean, what do you feel like any questions today? I feel like we covered a lot of good stuff man. Do you feel like you gave out a lot of good information? I mean I had more. I mean what we we kind of got off on other I didn't think about I didn't know we go talk about predator fur trap and a race, but that's that's all good You know, that's all that's all interesting stuff, you know, some of that is I think Myself and even a lot of our listeners I would love I think 180 I didn't know that there was access to be able to go race

Cars if I wanted to like that So, you know to know that if I were to get put together, you know, you said it's about a five five thousand dollar automobile You have to put together. I mean it's the you can go out Say you I mean we get them I get on I'm always looking for Cavalier. That's what I race You get on Facebook marketplace. I'll find a Cavalier eight hundred dollars runs good Boom. I'm gonna snatch that sucker up strip, you know, you strip the whole interior out Though your roll cage in it, you know, you can use the stock tires or put racing wheels and tires on it bead locks

You can zoop up the motor add some modifications to it and you got take all the glass all the glass tail lights out of it Bam go racing slap your some guys just take a spray paint can paint a number on them some guys But I've got several sponsors. So I'm lucky to I don't have a lot But I got enough to where I can get some some real graphics done. Yeah, but I mean it's a Anybody can get into I mean you got a little bit of money go out get a car. I don't know So every track different they all have their rules, but this is country down home country dirt track racing Yeah, I mean Saturday night. Yeah, I mean just about every weekend you're going to see a good fight usually Fights break out people one guy's pissed at the other guy. You hit me and you were did this and getting the fights

I mean it it's pretty it's fun. You know, it's all for all there's babies running around there To people in wheelchairs. Yeah, it's fun for all. It's a good my daughter is going to go work at our racetrack issue She's going to help work the gate. So I like everybody get everybody in the family be involved in it kind of So I'll race you'll be helping with the gate. Oh, it's it's fun. It's a good way blow off steam Yeah, we don't I don't club and party do all that scene. So we go Saturday nights. We go racetrack. I love that I love that man No, look man. I think it's really fascinating stuff. You know, I appreciate you So much mr. Vorage for joining us today and honored to be here. Yeah, man

It's really really cool and uh, and we'll put links to where people can check you out or hire you and you're mostly in the In the Kentucky area. Yeah, I do in Ohio too. Okay across the river on our river in Ohio. Okay So, yeah, man, if you guys want to meet the magic man Somebody's got to work. Somebody's got to work the middle ground of the animal kingdom, huh? Yep, that's who he is the middle man himself. Thank you so much. Mr. Boyer. All right. Thank you very much For me to set that parking brake and let myself on my Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you

Oh Now I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my Hands I've been robbed now they want something that the damn they come I guess now they just work