This Past Weekend - E380 Brandon Moreno

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Starting point is 00:01:38 fighter to win a UFC championship. He's a warrior and I'm inspired anytime I get to sit down with any of these fighters. I just feel inspired. I feel inspired as I'm sure a lot of you guys do. Today's guest is out of the flyweight division. He's the pride of Tijuana, Mexico. I'm very grateful for his time. He is beloved and I'm going to get to know him a little bit better. Mr. Brandon Moreno. Yeah, I think I would like to maybe be... I would probably like to be Mexican, I think. What? Yeah. Do it. It's the best. Man, do it. Is it hard? What? To be Mexican. It depends. You know, because, I mean, we can talk about it in... I don't know about this, but

Starting point is 00:03:15 my fathers, my parents, they were very poor. Yeah. Poor. But they start to work hard, man, and I had a nice life. So I don't have any necessities in my life. My parents was another whole different history, man. It was different, huh? Yeah. And so to me it was like, oh, I don't have any necessities. Everything was easy. Oh, for you it was easy, but for them it was different. And that life is for the most part of the people in Mexico. It's a tiered work country, man. It's hard. Yes, tough, huh? Yeah. I wish... I think... Dude, no joke. When I get up in the morning, sometimes I freaking clap for Mexican people because I think that they... If it weren't for Mexican people, America would be... Nobody would be doing any... I feel like Mexican people keep

Starting point is 00:04:06 this country going. Man, I mean, I have one year living here, man. And I can see a lot of Mexican people like working, like hard, man. Hard working. Like, man, these guys... All these guys are doing their job, right? Just to... And it's everywhere, all across the country. It's like that, man. Mexican... I think if it weren't for Mexican people, I don't know where... I don't know what America would be, you know? Yeah. You guys are like the real... Like the rabitos, you know? What is that? Oh, I don't know. I don't know what is that. It's like, you know, the animal with the ears at Easter. Oh, rabbits. Rabbits. Yeah, rabbits. Yeah, you guys are the rabbits, man. Anyway, thanks for being here, man. Oh, we started already. Okay.

Starting point is 00:04:58 We started, man. But yeah, I think when I die, I would like to come back and be Mexican next time. Because it seems there are also a lot of romance, and it's more romantic. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we were talking about this before, right? Yeah. I mean, I feel like the Latin culture is like with more happiness and everything. Yeah. That's awesome. Other cultures, they have their own fun in life. But I don't know, the Latin culture has a lot of traditions, a lot of amazing food, this mix of cultures. Yeah, I mean, I'm so happy and I'm so proud to be Mexican and be a Latino. Yeah. Dang, dude. I wish next time I'm going to be 100% Latino. What did you say is your father? My father's from Nicaragua. Okay. But he didn't really,

Starting point is 00:05:52 he just, he talked Spanish with his friends, but he never taught me, you know, but I didn't know. Really? I don't understand why. I mean, for example, I have my nephews, my cousins. Yeah. They speak bold language because in their house, it was like outside in the school, you can speak English all the time, but in the house, you need to speak Spanish. If not, I don't understand nothing. Oh, really? I'm trying to do the same with my daughter, man, because again, we have one year living here in Vegas, and my daughter, she's eight years. Oh, nice. Congrats. She went to school last year. Obviously, the pandemic was crazy and everything, but she started to go to the school. And I can see the more confidence when she tried to speak

Starting point is 00:06:41 English. Really? Yeah. And I thought with her before, like, hey, in the moment when, and I can see you can speak good English, you need to stop the English in the house. Never. I don't want to hear any English word here because... Solamente Española. Just Spanish in the house. Man, it's more opportunities. You know, it's your language, it's your culture. I mean, she's born in Hemet in California. Yeah. But she lives all... H-E-M-E-T. But seven years living in Tijuana. So, man, she's Mexican. Oh, she's Mexican, man. Yeah, dude. But we're glad to have her over here even for a year, man.

Starting point is 00:07:21 Do you... Now that you really have become such a star, you know, in a lot of ways, a lot of people love you. I was at a... I was talking with someone about you, about the fights, and they'd just gone to your last fight, which was in... It was in California, right? It was in Anaheim. Yeah. And they said when you came out, it was the loudest they'd ever... That they'd heard since Conor McGregor. Man, that's awesome. I mean... That's crazy, dude. You're like the Mexican corner.

Starting point is 00:07:57 Thank you, man. So, I feel like the people can connect better with my history, man. Oh, with your history. You know, yeah. I mean, with you, with my... The way I am with the people. And, I don't know, I always say the same, but for example, the history of Javier, this guy, undefeated, and amazing, like a... Gresling God and everything, right? An amazing and perfect record. But, I mean, my history is more like the history of the people when you fall... And you come back. And you come back. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:37 And that's like the people can identify more that history by himself, than other ones. Like, hey, I mean, it's the same. I won every time. Yeah. As opposed to I've lost and won and lost and won. And obviously, I mean, I'm just trying to be happy and enjoy my job. And, you know, very, very kind with the people. And that's it, man. It's crazy how I can connect with the people because I don't need to say stupid things in the social media or the trash talk or something like that.

Starting point is 00:09:09 I love it, man. Because I hate that. I mean, like, to me, it's very boring when some guy tried to trash talk, to do the trash talk in social media and a press conference. Like, man, I saw that before, man. Like, nothing new. It's not you. And it doesn't... Well, I guess it doesn't fit you. Some guys, it fits. Yeah. Some guys can trash talk and it just fits their character. But I don't know if it probably wouldn't fit your character, you don't think.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah. I mean, I said... And I say this like, hey, man, if you watch me mad in some place in a press conference with somebody, it's because I'm really mad with the guy. It's real, man. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, you're not faking it. Do you go... Is it... Because Tijuana is a third world country. Is it... Mexico is a third world country. Is it scary to go back to Tijuana? Do you get scared since you're more popular now? Is it... Do you have any more fear? Is that...

Starting point is 00:10:01 It's a good question, man. And nothing against the Mexican people, just... No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm very open with when we talk about Tijuana because I know the good and the bad things, man. Yeah. I love Tijuana. I love the city. I love Mexico, the country. We have an amazing things, the culture, the tradition, the food. My goodness, the food, man. Oh, yeah. The ladies, bro. The ladies, the people, whatever you want. The avocates. What? The avocates.

Starting point is 00:10:26 Avocates? Avocado? I love avocado. Oh, brother, brother, brother. The green gold. The green gold. I love them. But at the same time, I understand the bad things, you know, the narcotraffic, the violence. It's a dangerous place, too. I understand that. But when I go to Mexico, I'm not really scared, man, because I live there all my life. Right.

Starting point is 00:10:51 27 years I've been there, like, getting an amazing time there, training, meeting people and everything. Sometimes I think about maybe my family, you never know. Right. That is more scared for me, to me, like, you know, because right now I'm living in Vegas, but my parents live in Tijuana, my brothers lives in Tijuana, you know, my nephews. And they have kidnapping. People take people there sometimes. So, for example, when some channel asked me for an interview for my father, I don't like to get involved in all of this. Or put them in this situation.

Starting point is 00:11:34 Exactly. It could be dangerous. Yeah, maybe. You never know. I prefer to put everything out of the conversation and just be me. If you want to interview and get an interview for me, I can do it, man. Yeah. Even with that, I mean, they had a few interviews. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:52 Do you ever get approached by, like, any drug people or anything after you've become, like, a real success? Does the cartel, like, come for you to, like, get you to be their guy or anything? Oh, man. I mean, no. Thanks, God. Yeah. Because people like, I don't know, Julio Sarchales. Yeah. He… He got approached by them.

Starting point is 00:12:15 He talked about histories, like, man, so the narcotraffin came with me, you know, because they love boxing too. Oh. And they start to come with me and, hey, congrats, champs, and… That's dangerous. And actually, that's why Julio Sarchales started to involve with the drugs and everything and started to have problems with that. But you don't see that for yet. No, right now. I'm so happy.

Starting point is 00:12:38 Not yet, maybe. I'm glad, you know? Yeah. I mean, I think I'm very smart in that area. I don't smoke nothing. I don't eat nothing bad. Like, you know, I don't drink alcohol or smoke cigars and everything in my life. Really? I feel like very smart in that area. I had really nice people around me in all my life who teach me really good things about all of the success and, you know…

Starting point is 00:13:06 A lot of good role models. A lot of good role models, definitely. So, yeah, I mean, I feel like I can do it. You can handle it. I can handle it. It's not going to happen to you, probably, that situation. I mean, you never know. I don't like to say…

Starting point is 00:13:20 You could be a kingpin. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Imagine that. Get a tuxedo. Yeah. I don't think so. You could, man.

Starting point is 00:13:29 You could. You could be kind of like a James Bond butt of drugs, you know? Say it a little bit. No. I like to wear nice, dress or wear, how you say. Let me think. I would say put on. You put on something nice, dress nice.

Starting point is 00:13:49 I mean, I like it, but even when I dress, I wear like suits or something. I like to wear something like very relaxed, like very normal, just to look elegant and that's it. Did you guys do something for Valentine's Day? Did y'all go out? Do you celebrate Valentine's Day? Sometimes. You know, I have almost 11 years with my wife. Wow.

Starting point is 00:14:16 Yeah, she was with me since when I had, like, nothing, man. That's cool. Where did you meet her? In Tijuana. Yeah. So she born in Texas, in Narell. So she was born an American person? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:30 But she lives all her life in Nuevo Laredo in Tamaulipas, it's the border with Laredo, Texas. Oh, really? So she's Mexican. Yeah. But she went to Tijuana with her sister. So I meet her there. She went to the gym, actually. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:14:52 You met her at the gym? Yeah. Did you go talk to her or she come talk to you? Both, both. I think so. I don't remember. And then when she started to talk with me, I started to, I was just trying to get fun with everybody.

Starting point is 00:15:04 So I started to make jokes with her and then we started to talk more and more. And you took her out on a date then? You asked her out? Yeah. And you know, and talk more and more and more and now we have $3. A lot of talking. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, man, I forget why God was talking.

Starting point is 00:15:23 Oh, it's okay. I was asking about Valentine's Day. Oh, Valentine's Day. But yeah, so sometimes just, for example, this last Valentine, she needed to go to Tijuana. And so she went to Tijuana. She was there. I was taking care of the babies because right now I'm not trying very, very hard yet because I don't have a fight coming soon, an official fight.

Starting point is 00:15:45 So yeah, I was in the house. But other years, we'll try to do something. So sometimes you have to just be the dad at home with the kids? After a fight, I'm trying to spend more time with my daughters because in my regular days, it's like all day I'm in the gym. I have like five hours just training, maybe not straight five hours, but between sessions, I have some rest and then the other practice. So yeah, I don't have too much time for my kids because when I finish my day, I try to

Starting point is 00:16:21 go to my house and spend some time with my family, but obviously I'm so tired, I'm hungry, or maybe I'm diet because I have the fight. Oh yeah, it's a lot of different things going on. Where you're not, can be just very present with them. Exactly. So when I finished the training camp and I finished the fight, two or three weeks, I tried to spend a really good, good time with my family. It's very important for me, man.

Starting point is 00:16:49 And do you take your family to Tijuana because you guys, do you guys go back over there much or no? Yeah, like one per month, we go to Tijuana and we see my parents and everything. When you were growing up over there, was it exciting? Was it dangerous? I just think Tijuana seemed like so much like adventure and things happening all at the same time. Was it like that or what was it like?

Starting point is 00:17:13 I would say the same and I mean, if you want to find problems, you will, man. Yeah, that's cool. You know? Sometimes I like some problems, you know? I don't know. Maybe I like American problems. Yeah, actually it's funny when the American people say like, oh, I'm the American gangster. Like, okay, don't say that in Mexico, please, because that is serious.

Starting point is 00:17:43 Because somebody will see if you really are. Yeah, so, but man, when I was a kid and I was growing up there in Tijuana, I was like going to the school and then going to the gym. I had, you know, a few friends, but I never like every single weekend going to the nightclub or something like that. I was like just being myself, going to the gym, to the school and doing my stuff and that's it. So I never find real problems.

Starting point is 00:18:11 That's why when a lot of people ask me like, hey, it's really dangerous. Yeah, I'm not the guy. Yeah, somebody else is, huh? And they need to get more like big people in Mexico. I know we kind of were, y'all got to get some big, because what's the biggest Mexican they have? Like what? Like, what is that?

Starting point is 00:18:31 Like the biggest, most grande mexicano, señor, or chica. Talking about fame or what? No, no, no, no, like, uh, how? Distance, yeah. Oh! I mean, you can find big people there, definitely. And they hide them, huh? Yeah, but it's not normal.

Starting point is 00:18:52 The regular head of the Mexican people is like five, eight, five, seven, even less. Wow. Yeah, that's why all the famous Mexican boxers are in the small weights, because we are small. That's fine. That's good. Yeah, you're doing great. You're doing great with it. And is there an ethnicity that's the hardest to fight that you have found?

Starting point is 00:19:18 Because your division has, I guess your division doesn't have a lot of like white guys in it, huh? It's more... Good question. I don't know. Do you think one ethnicity is tougher than, over your time, have you noticed? Good question, man. I mean, actually, I'm thinking about the white guys in my division.

Starting point is 00:19:40 White guys in my division, maybe not. Damn, we need some diversity in there, huh? I know. White guys, you know, are from American people and guys from Brazil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean, maybe the ethnicity, you know? I mean, someday, I don't remember who say like, hey, one day, the Mexican people will dominate all the small divisions in the UFC.

Starting point is 00:20:07 You never know. We are working. We are working at it. In the big martial arts in Mexico, in the country. Yeah. I mean, the only one in the flyweights, a few new ones are coming. Yeah. But right now, like the biggest...

Starting point is 00:20:21 There's some other Latino guys, but you're the only Mexican guy. Yeah. Do you ever see that movie, La Bamba? Did you see it? La Bamba? Yeah, of course, man. It's good. I mean, I don't...

Starting point is 00:20:31 Oh, Nellisuela was our dad's name, Ricky. Remember that part? Man, I don't remember the last time I watched the movie, but when I was a kid, I don't have a cable to watch like other kind of movies. Yeah. So it was like the free television. I don't know how you say this. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:53 The free channel. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And in one channel, it was like a very popular movie. Every single weekend, they put La Bamba, every single weekend. I just watched it like a couple of maybe three months ago. It's good, man. It's so sad, though.

Starting point is 00:21:08 That is nice. It's a very Chicano culture, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah, I think so. So is there a favorite Mexican movie that you watched growing up? No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:21:20 Of course, no. Mexican favorite Mexican movie. It's just because I was watching the real Mexican theater like movies. Oh. Mexican actors and everything, so it's different. Wow. And sometimes the American people put the Chicano culture, like the main one, right? And it's not true and yeah, I mean, they have like a lot of different things about

Starting point is 00:21:53 Mexico, like the food and that stuff, like Taco Bell or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not true. I see they do a bad job, but the translation is not good. Yeah. I love La Bamba. Well, La Bamba's nice. I mean, I'm not saying it's about movies, it's a nice movie.

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Starting point is 00:22:24 They're funny, man. They're good. And sometimes some Filipino people remind me of Minions a little bit. Because they're happy and they just keep going, you know? Maybe. Maybe. But my daughters loves Minions and it's a nice movie. Yeah, it's good.

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Starting point is 00:26:01 figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure, figure. Jesus fucking Christ, figure it out, huh, guy, but you give it to us. A lot of people say differently. The last weekend. Every episode, it changes. We switch into letters, man. The guy is cheating, and then letters, man.

Starting point is 00:26:16 But do you guys think you can, is it possible for one of you to knock the other one out, or is it not possible, you think? Honestly, after this much experience? Yes. Man, I don't know. Because I mean, before, or Rivalry, I mean, Fidel was like, like, oh, thank you, man. So before Rivalry, he was like knocking out every single fighter in the roster, and he was doing a very great job doing that.

Starting point is 00:26:48 But with me, I mean, he hit me with his best punches, and do you think either one of you can knock the other, do you think you can knock him out? Like, because you guys can, obviously, you can both find a way to win. But is it possible, I wonder, because you guys do, I mean, Jesus. The possibility is always there, man, you know, talking about myself. I know, I don't have that kind of power to knock one people out with, like, calls. I know that. You can work in the gym, you know?

Starting point is 00:27:25 You can work in your extension conditioning. You can work with your explosivity, and you can work with your technique and your precision. And I try to work in that, like, every single time in the gym, right? But I know I don't bore with that fucking superpower to knock the other out. Like just engage you. Exactly. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:27:45 That is amazing. I feel a little more with that power, but, I mean, I don't have that superpower, but I have another one. Yeah. I have a nice chin, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got extra chin, huh?

Starting point is 00:27:58 Yes. I mean... Who has it in your family? A family member has it, too? I don't know, because my family, they don't have the history of sports. Wow. They never play, like, soccer, it's a regular sport in Mexico, so they never play soccer or they never play nothing, man.

Starting point is 00:28:16 I'm the first one. You're like a surprise, huh? Yeah. You know? And then my brother started to do a mixed martial arts, too. Oh, really? And he's a professional, too, but it's not like a real job for him. It's just like, he go to the gym and do the exercise and everything, and if he has the

Starting point is 00:28:37 opportunity to fight, he do it. If not, it's like, oh, okay. Right. It's a hobby. It's a hobby for him. So, yes, man. Again, I don't know, I have a nice chin. He hit me with his best punches, and he didn't do it.

Starting point is 00:28:51 I got hurt one time when I was watching. Man, last fight, I can recognize, he throw me his best punch in the tier round, and he was like a little flash wound, but I was fine. So, man, the possibility to knock out this side was there, always, because a good punch is a good punch, but... But maybe you guys can't do it, maybe. Man, we have something, something mystic between us, and I don't like the guy, I mean, the guy is a horrible person, but...

Starting point is 00:29:22 Yeah, do you think he has the same, because his energy is different than yours? That's why... I mean, right now, I mean, to me, this rivalry is in the hollow fame of the UFC, right now, easily. Oh, yeah. Do you think that... But where does it go from here? Because it's like, if there's nowhere really for you to go, like, you guys could...

Starting point is 00:29:43 I feel like you guys could do this for five more years, you know? I could do it. UFC 400. You guys are coming out there like this? Moreno against Figueiredo, 50, I don't know, man, I can do it, and I don't care. Man, it's not personal for me, man, I just want the title, man. Right. I just want to be the best.

Starting point is 00:30:04 But do you already feel... Now, once you win... Because the title can only be with somebody for a little while, you know? I remember when Dustin Poirier won the interim title, and I went over to his house and he had the belt there, and it was crazy, it was so cool, you know? But everybody kind of... The title kind of just comes and goes, you know, like nobody really gets to keep it forever. Maybe Khabib retired with it, and some guys do.

Starting point is 00:30:26 Is that still like the biggest goal, or do your goals kind of shift once you're at this? Because you're kind of in this space where there's nowhere really to... You know, it's just you guys right there. Does your goals shift now? Do you have a different goal? Do you have a different goal than maybe you did two years ago? And if so, what is it? Because...

Starting point is 00:30:47 I mean, my goal is to be the best, you know? And if I have the belt, the people can recognize who is the best, right? But to me, yeah, I mean, it's easy to me, it's not the belt. It's just why I have that belt, you understand that? Because I can see a lot of champions, and it's fine, I mean, I don't have nothing against those guys, I mean, it's fine, I understand, because they feel very proud. But a lot of champions, like, they won the title, and it's like, oh, I want to take pictures every single day with my belt, and I go to every single interview with the belt, you

Starting point is 00:31:32 know? Yeah, yeah, dude, yeah, I feel you. It's not your style. Because they love, the people sometimes, they love, like, souvenirs, they love trophies, and... Yeah, that's true. I mean, to me, I mean, it's funny, because I remember when I won the belt, well, okay, how's the belt, it's nice, it's pretty, but I went to my house, like, I leave it in my

Starting point is 00:31:52 couch, like, there. Yeah. And then my wife came with me and said, like, hey, you need to put the belt in a nice place, come on, like... Oh, I thought she'd be yelling at you, like, get your belt out the living room, you know? Like, get your shoes off the floor. Oh, I could do it later. It's heavy, too, the belt, huh?

Starting point is 00:32:11 Oh, it's heavy. Jesus Christ, give them a lighter belt, because you just fought the whole time, now you got to carry this heavy belt out of the room. Man, imagine that, I mean, the people, because sometimes I need to go with some, with some sponsor to do something, and they want to bring the belt, like, ah, Jesus, that's a six, that's a six round right there. And then, or they want, you know, the photo shoot with the veil, and the veil is so heavy. Like, man, I don't like this thing.

Starting point is 00:32:38 You want the belt, take it. I don't care. Oh. I mean... So, for what is the goal still, oh, because if you have the belt, then people know who the champion is. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:49 You know? And I'm always asking the same, because if the people ask me, like, hey, where's your belt? Yeah. I'm not available, I'm not with the veil at the time, I'm not with the veil in my car. And second one, with, I mean, in that moment, with veil or without veil, do you know who is the champion, right? Like, oh, yes, like, that's it.

Starting point is 00:33:12 But once you become a champion, don't you feel like at a certain point you're qualified to always be a champion, though? I wear like a champion every day, at least. It's a good attitude. It's a good point. You know? Yeah. Because...

Starting point is 00:33:25 Yeah. I'm just talking about me in person, I mean, I'm very obsessive. Are you? I feel like sometimes it's not enough, even when I know I'm so, I'm working so hard and I feel so tired, I go to my bed thinking like, fah, maybe I need to work a little bit more. Actually the success people work so hard and they think they don't work so hard. Oh, they don't think they work so hard. That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:33:53 I mean, that's, at the same time, obviously the depression and everything, you need to work with that, with your mind, because this is an important thing, more in this sport, because you live always with a lot of stress and, you know? Yeah, it's interesting. I think I work all the time and other people are like, man, you work so hard, you're doing so well, but me, I don't really see it like that. Man, yes, man. Sometimes a lot of people say, hey, you need to rest, like, man, I don't know why you're

Starting point is 00:34:21 talking about, I mean, I need to do more, but at the same time, my body say, like, no, you can't, like, I have this battlefield in my mind, always. Yeah. It's tough to manage sometimes. I bet at least having a family and stuff gets you out of your own head and keeps you there. Of course. I mean, I was talking with you about my time with my family after practice, after my, when

Starting point is 00:34:43 my days finish my day. I know maybe the time is not the best because I'm tired and I can, I can, like, play like two hours with my daughter. You have neck brace. You can't even do nothing. But at least I'm trying and, you know, I spend time with my family, it's nice, you know? Because my daughters are there, very funny. My big daughter, she's like, she's doing like, she's in the school, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:10 And she's doing a UG2, she's talking, yeah, and she's, she's a one-strip degree. Oh. She's one-striped? She's white, white belt. One-striped. Oh. E-wall, yeah. Same level.

Starting point is 00:35:24 Yeah, same, boy. I'm one-striped white belt, man. But I'm still, I go like five times a week, but I'm one-striped white belt right now. So, yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, but that, that time with my families, they strike me today, to my realities. We actually have a question. Let me, this, we got some questions that came in and usually we have television monitors,

Starting point is 00:35:39 but since we're not at the studio, I'm just going to have to play it like this. And it's actually kind of about what you're talking about, and then. Hi, Brandon and Theo. My name is Melissa. So I am Mexican too. Theo, at this point, I think you count as Mexican as well. So I'm a very Mexican household, very traditional. Women hold this nurturing, caregiving role.

Starting point is 00:36:05 And within recent years, I've really got into, you know, MMA fighting following UFC, and I'm interested in taking some Jiu-Jitsu classes. I have a lot of friends that are males that are taking classes right now. So my question to Brandon is, how do we eliminate these cultural barriers? So if your daughter were to be interested in maybe boxing, MMA fighting, I'm interested in seeing your perspective and how you would, you know, just go about that. Again, thank you so much. Saludos.

Starting point is 00:36:33 Saludos. That's a good question. It fits. Yeah. So is it, and she may be talking specifically in Mexico that women are looked at more of like a mother and caregiver. Do you think that that, it's changing, what do you think, or what do you think about women in getting into Jiu-Jitsu in that country in Mexico?

Starting point is 00:36:52 Man, I mean, first of all, I feel a lot of respect for all women who's trying to do this sport, man, because it's a tough sport, not just for a woman, even for a man, it's a tough sport because you need to learn too much. And if you really want to be a fighter, you'll need to pass for a lot of pain, man. Yeah. It's scary. I mean, because sometimes the people is a little bit confused, like, oh, I don't want to do much a lot, but it looks very aggressive.

Starting point is 00:37:20 I mean, if you want just to do the sport and practice and sweat and do some exercise, you can do it. I mean, you can hit pads, you can learn technique. And that's it. I mean, everything changed when you want to be a fighter, definitely, because you need to do the sparring, you need to have the hard sessions and everything. And for a woman, when you step into an gym, you can see, I don't know, 90% of the team, men's, you know?

Starting point is 00:37:58 Yeah. And maybe a few women's there. And that... And a few men's. I can just imagine that is like a little bit... Intimidation, huh? Some intimidation there. So starting from that, I have a lot of respect for hair, right?

Starting point is 00:38:16 Because it's hard, man. So I don't know, I have the example of my daughter. Yeah. Like, hey, girl, I mean, you need to go to do something because, you know, it's self-defense. It's a good weapon in your life. You never know. Oh, yeah. You know?

Starting point is 00:38:32 Oh, yeah. And like now, if somebody came and wanted to knock me out, I wouldn't be as scared to get knocked out. Okay. Whereas before, I'd be scared to get knocked out. But now, at least if I'm just like, all right, you know, I just... It's like a little less fear, I don't know. Just little things.

Starting point is 00:38:49 Yeah, your confidence goes up. Yeah. I mean, and she's a little princess, man. I don't think like she wanna be like Blackbell, a competitor, you know, I don't feel like she wanted to do that in the future. But at least, I mean, get your blue bell, get your purple bell and get that knowledge in your mind. And that's it, you know?

Starting point is 00:39:09 So do you think... What about in Mexico? Is it getting popular for women there? Is it not that big of a thing there? Or in Tijuana, you know? I mean, right now, in Entrant Gym in Tijuana, they have a decent female team. Oh, wow. They have like four or five girls.

Starting point is 00:39:25 And it's not too much, right? Right. The team, the whole team is like 40, 50 guys. Wow. It's crazy. What's... What's... There's a...

Starting point is 00:39:38 There's a... Predominantly, it seems like Mexican or Latino, like... It's like UFC or Bellator, but it's at night time. I see it on television sometime. You know what I'm talking about? It's like a league. It's like a fight league. But it's mostly, I think, Mexican.

Starting point is 00:39:55 It's a smaller one. It's like a Bellator, but it's very small, you know? I mean, yeah. Sometime I'm going to see it on TV. Where do you see it? At night, on television, at night. Sometime late at night, I see it on TV. I mean, they have a few ones, like, is a UWC.

Starting point is 00:40:10 Actually, that league is from... UWC, you were in it. I fought there before. Yeah, yeah. When I started fighting, like a professional, I fought there. And the league is from Entrant Gym in Tijuana. It's a nice league because they put a lot of guys in the Contender series and a lot of guys got the contract from Contender series and fought in the UFC.

Starting point is 00:40:33 So it's like in a nice league, it's another one, Lux, Felix, another one, he's in five past two. I think those ones are the more solid leagues in Mexico right now. Yeah. Yeah. What's your other kids like? Do they have hobbies? Your other daughters?

Starting point is 00:40:50 Oh, they're like junk. Oh, they're really... My middle daughter is three years right now. She didn't... We don't know. Yeah. And my youngest daughter, she's one year. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:00 One year and a few months. So they don't know nothing right now. That's not even fly away. Just... That's bannom weight, huh? What is that? Yeah. Just getting fun in the house all day.

Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah, just having fun, huh? Yeah. My daughter, she started to do something because, I mean, she said, she started, man, I remember when she was two, three years and now she's like, I want to do this and the other day I was talking with my wife, hey, I want to go to the mall because... Hit the mall? Come on! Girl, now you want to go to the mall?

Starting point is 00:41:29 Damn. Where would you guys go hang out? What was like a fun thing? Do you remember like in school or something when you were growing up, like, was there a fun place? Would you guys go to the mall? Stuff like that? As kids, yeah?

Starting point is 00:41:40 In Mexico, same. In Mexico? Yeah. Me? Not too much. I went to the mall for... The movie theater was there, so I went with my mom and everything. I remember the weekends I went with my parents to some restaurant to eat something.

Starting point is 00:41:58 Again, the movie theater. Do they have, like in America, like aliens or like a big thing? Do they have that in Mexico? Do people talk about aliens and stuff, same or no? Aliens. You know what I'm talking about? Aliens, the guys in the... In there.

Starting point is 00:42:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the other... I guess they're bad guys, they always make them kind of bad guys. You know what? It's not my world, but yeah, of course, definitely need to be some guys talking about aliens. But is it popular in Mexico? Because in America, I feel like people are always, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't like America.

Starting point is 00:42:31 Wow. Why do we care so much? I don't know, man. And maybe I'm talking from myself, my own experience, maybe other guys like, man, come on, aliens are very popular in Mexico. I don't know, man. To be honest, it's not my goal to know too much about aliens. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:49 What do you think about aliens? Do they exist or not? I wouldn't be surprised, you know? Me neither. But we got a lot of issues already, kind of. My friend told me a lot of black people and aliens don't get along, someone tell me one time. Okay.

Starting point is 00:43:03 Which is crazy, you know? But I didn't know. So I think a lot of stuff, I know it's learning it, you know? But I always wondered because I've only grown up in America, I always wondered if people in other countries have the same, like, do they care about aliens, you know? Okay. And they have a surprise party in Mexico. Like a surprise birthday.

Starting point is 00:43:19 You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It depends. You know everybody hides and they come in? Yeah. It depends. Sometimes my wife gave me like a few birders, surprise birdies, sometimes. Oh, yeah?

Starting point is 00:43:34 Okay. Before. And it was nice. Yeah. And it's different, the traditions and other families, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Family is so important in Mexico.

Starting point is 00:43:47 What things do you think that you enjoy more about Mexico as compared to America? Are there any things you kind of notice about the? Like we say before, I think the love. Yeah. People laugh more in Mexico. Yeah. The love. Latinos fucking laughter.

Starting point is 00:44:01 Yeah. I mean, in America, I mean, there are nice people too, but they are a little bit more like cold. Yeah. Sometimes. I wonder why? The Latin American culture is like, I don't know man, for example, if you have like two years you don't see your family and you go with them to visit your, you know, your family.

Starting point is 00:44:23 Like wow, they make a party and a lot of food. Like they're gonna do everything. It's a big deal. Like it's a big deal. It's nice. Wow. So yeah. Yeah, in America, it's just like you give hugs and then you go watch television.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Maybe. And then it's not everybody. It's always, we are talking in general, right? Right. But yeah, the Latin American culture is like very, I don't know, it's because I don't know the word in English, but in Spanish it's alegre. Allegre. Allegre.

Starting point is 00:44:55 Like happy. Allegre. Hmm. It sounds good. Yeah. Allegre. Like happy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:03 Like yes. Yeah. Like maybe happiness or celebratory. Yeah. I just always feel like Latinos are having a better time. Sometimes I'm happy that I'm born here, but sometimes I wish sometimes I had more of a diff. Like I wish you get to live in more culture.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Actually, I mean, I have this guy because I was watching his videos. He's a kind of YouTuber, a kind of because he do like conference and everything. What his name is? Jokoi Kenji. Jokoi Kenji. Jokoi Kenji. So his father is Japanese and his mother is from Colombia. Oh, that's a good mix, huh?

Starting point is 00:45:46 So in his conference, he talked about the difference of cultures. You know, the Japanese culture is like very serious, very, very serious, very formal, very disciplined, they never go late to something, early in the job, everything, they are hard workers and everything. Yes. Work, work, work, stress, a soup. Very serious. And the Colombian culture is like very happy culture, a lot of food, like exactly the dance.

Starting point is 00:46:27 But sometimes the hard work is not the representation. It's more party. Exactly. So he talked about that like, hey, when I go to Japan, because they have all these high numbers of Swiss sites. So he go to Japan and talk about the Latin culture, like, hey, sometimes it's fine if you go late to do your job, relax, spend time with your friends, okay, and he go to Colombia, hey, you need to go early to your job, come on, bro.

Starting point is 00:47:05 You need a briefcase. Exactly. Maybe it's similar with America. Oh yeah, that's probably true, man. Yeah, I wonder sometimes like, yeah, just how much it would be nice to probably be, have a little bit more of different culture in me and stuff like that. We got another question that came in right here. Let's go.

Starting point is 00:47:23 One, to ask the question, I mean, she just need to find a nice gene with a lot of respect and we're hard. That's it. Question for Brent, what is your number one advice for winning a street fight? And do you have any stories? Yeah. Yeah. Damn.

Starting point is 00:47:48 Yeah, but once you become a fighter, then people want to fight you. That's probably one of the problems of being a fighter. Like if you were, if you want to be a, nobody wants to eat your cookies until you say you're a bake, you know what I'm saying, brother, but then once you go, once you go, once they see that oven open, people want to come and see what's up, they want to snick a doodle. My first advice is don't fight in the street. It's horrible. You have a lot of scratch in your elbows, in your knees.

Starting point is 00:48:16 You don't win nothing. Yeah, you just stop for the cars. It's not glory. It's not glory there, man. Right. I have just won a street fight in all my life. I had 15 or 16 years old and I went to play soccer to some field and we are was blind in there and some guy from, he looks like very like from the hood, like even a kind

Starting point is 00:48:40 of hummus. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Like from the hood. Yeah. No casa. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:48:48 He looks weird. Yeah. He looks with problems. Yeah. He looks with problems. He looks with problems. And he starts to play with us. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:56 Yeah. He looks with problems. And he starts to play with us, soccer with all the guys. He came with a few friends, I remember, like one or two, I don't know. And we start to play and everything and in some point he has the ball and I take the ball from his legs and he starts to get mad because I was doing that like constantly. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:49:22 And in the last one, I take the ball. I had the ball and he's tried to take me the ball like that, like this. Oh, slide you down. Exactly. I moved the ball there and he's just like a slide on all the ground. Like a cartoon. Exactly. And then he go against me and he started to scream to my face and everything.

Starting point is 00:49:42 So I saw the problem there and I put my hands up, I don't care. In that moment, I had like two or three years experience of mixed martial arts. And then I put my hands up. He put his hands up and he started to move a little bit, but man, I throw a jab and with the jab, he went to the ground. I don't remember if he started to throw some blood, but I don't remember, but I remember he went to the ground like boom. And I don't feel good, man.

Starting point is 00:50:14 I don't, I feel like, because when I fought, when I fight with some guy who, I know the guy, know how to fight. Right. I get him like, okay. That's different. It's fair. Yeah. Like, okay.

Starting point is 00:50:30 So is it because you think it's more fair? Yeah. Right. Yeah. I don't, I don't feel good when I do that. Right. I remember that. I, I saw the guy in the ground like, oh man, it's fine.

Starting point is 00:50:40 I don't, I don't want more problems, man. Yeah. Everything is fine. And they, can I go out of the, of the field and I went to my house and I feel weird. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't. And he didn't, he couldn't even go to his house because he was, he was probably homeless, you know? He couldn't, he couldn't even go to his house.

Starting point is 00:50:59 He couldn't even go after. Oh. So yeah. So for you fighting, there's something. So you, you really like to fight if it's a very organized and it's fair. Yeah. Okay. So it's not for you.

Starting point is 00:51:11 You don't like to, cause it's interesting. Some guys just love to fucking fight. Like I talked with Cheeto very, he just loved. Yeah. He's crazy. He's crazy. He's crazy. He loves being crazy.

Starting point is 00:51:21 He loves fucking, you know, he's just, he loves to fight. You know? And like, Poirier, I think sometimes he likes, he loves to scrap too, but I think he likes to fight. He wants to prove himself kind of like, um, but so you like to fight, why do you like to fight? You think? For the same, the same way, like, like Poirier, I like to prove, I, I, I love when the people,

Starting point is 00:51:44 when I watch people from, I know, from the school, you know, from high school, from middle school, I like, hey, I never thought you would be a fighter, you're a fighter. Like, I love that because I proved they were, they were wrong. In case you haven't heard, car and home insurance rates are going up this year. Yeah, they are. Every year, you know, everything is all, you know, life, they charge you for it. Well, make sure you're not paying more than you need to tune to the zebra. They can help you find the perfect insurance for your needs in just minutes.

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Starting point is 00:54:55 Did you know that you were going to be that much of a fighter though? No, I'm starting the sport just for love, just to do something. I was a shabby kid. So I remember when I finished my elementary school, I was on vacations, like a few weeks before to go to the middle school. I was talking with my mom, like, hey, with my parents, and like, hey, I want to do something. You know, I have too much time. You know, I remember my times in elementary school, like I was finishing my day in the

Starting point is 00:55:27 school and then like start to eat junk food and then go to my room and start to play video games. Yeah. And that's it. So in some point was like, I'm done with that, like I want to do something, like some sport. You got into fighting. I was playing a lot of combat games. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:55:47 So like Tekken was my favorite. Yeah. Fighting games. Uh-huh. Fighting games. And like, I want to do, I want to practice something like, I want to do Capoeira, I remember, because one of the other characters of the game, Evie, I remember the name. One of his singles was the Capoeira.

Starting point is 00:56:04 His style was the Capoeira. So I love the style for that, but my mom never find a good place in Tijuana to do Capoeira, but we find the mixed martial arts. In that moment, they say, vale todo. Vale todo? Yeah. Like, vale todo in Brazil. Vale todo.

Starting point is 00:56:25 They start to... Oh, ballet. Vale todo. Vale todo. Like, like this? Like this? No, no, no. Like...

Starting point is 00:56:33 Vale todo. Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah. Like, no rules. Something like that. I don't... I forget the name.

Starting point is 00:56:41 And it's like... That was the place that was called that? I mean, in Mexico in general. Right. You know? For the culture, for the vale todo. What's a new sport in the country in that moment? It was 2006.

Starting point is 00:56:54 It was a new sport. Yeah. Oh. So... And you just liked it? You just kept doing it? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:02 I saw everything, the information. The wrestling, like, what the... I don't know what is wrestling in Ujitsu. I don't know what is wrestling. But all the information looks like nice. Yeah. So my mom got the number. And they signed you up?

Starting point is 00:57:16 That was a weekend, like Saturday, Sunday. And next Monday, I went to the class. And you stayed committed, huh? I mean, it's very simple, man. Right. It was very simple. My style was very simple. It was like that.

Starting point is 00:57:27 And then, I mean, I was just training because I love to spend time there in the gym, sweating, doing exercise. My body looks better, right? Yeah. It's confidence. More confidence in the middle school to start to meet some girls. And you start... You want to look better for that.

Starting point is 00:57:44 Exactly. You want to dance La Bamba in the class room, right? I met a girl in Donald's her name. But then, man, I mean, I started to watch, like, man, I like to do this. Like, I don't want to do nothing more. But did people just look at you like a karate boy? They're like, oh, it's just a karate boy? Ah, maybe.

Starting point is 00:58:04 And then later, it became a bigger thing for you. Exactly. And was there a point where you were thinking about not doing it anymore at some point? Like what? Like where you think when your career was kind of... Because your career's been like this. And it's definitely very... It's in a new space and has been for a few years now.

Starting point is 00:58:20 But did you think when it was... Did you reconsider or not reconsider, but think maybe I'm finished? Man, a lot of times, man. That's a normal question in a life of a fighter. Yeah. I'm good on this, like... Because I remember when I started my professional career, my amateur career was amazing. Like, a lot of the Brazilian youth tournaments, winning.

Starting point is 00:58:46 I had a nice amateur record of kickboxing. I have 12 and 2, something like that. My MMA amateur career was very nice too, like 6 and 1. I have a 1 draw, something like that. But my amateur career was a success. But when I did my transition to the professional, I was like winning one, losing another one, winning one. My record went to 3 and 3.

Starting point is 00:59:19 And the problem was, I was very young. I remember my... 3 and 3, boy, anything could happen. You might not make the playoffs, you know? Man, my first fight was when I had 17 years old. And, man, if you can watch me now, I mean, I know I'm not the most muscular guy in the room right now. I'm not going to fight you. I know that.

Starting point is 00:59:45 I promise. But, man, imagining at 17 years old, I was skinny. Really? No tattoos. It looks like a kid, man. Like a kid. So, my opponents, the most part of the time, was bigger guys, like 20-something. I remember my first fight, the other guy who had 25, 27,

Starting point is 01:00:10 something like that. And how old was you? 17. Jesus Christ, that's illegal, I think. Yeah, so, for example, at that fight, I won. The next one, I fought with some guy. He has, like, 21 or 22, but the guy was a guy who was working in construction

Starting point is 01:00:32 and everything, strong, big. And I was very frustrated because I remember, like, saying to me, like, I know, like, talking about technique, I'm a huge better guy. Better than this guy? Yeah. Right. The problem is I don't have the power to show it, right?

Starting point is 01:00:50 Right. Well, the weight class was probably so different as well, huh? I was fighting in 135. And what was the guy in? He was in 135, too, the construction worker? Of course, of course. And he was obviously cutting weight and everything. I went to that fight in 140, something like that.

Starting point is 01:01:06 And the other guy, I don't know. So, yeah, I mean... What about also a lot of jockeys come out of y'all's country? Oh, what is yockeys? Yockeys, you know? Or yockeys? I don't know what is yockeys. Like the...

Starting point is 01:01:20 The... You know, this guy, you know, like... We had a... Mario Gutierrez, I think. Well, I know his... He's like, you know, the caballeros, you know, the... Okay, okay. The horses, you know, the horseback.

Starting point is 01:01:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm talking about it. Okay, okay. Mexico is a lot of jockeys or yockeys? Maybe. It's not my world, man. So, I don't know. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:47 But... You never met any? No. Oh, for example, you talk about people who just look to... Ride on the horse, you know? Maybe the people with money because horses are... Well, you gotta have them. Yeah, horses are expensive, huh?

Starting point is 01:01:59 Canelo has an... Canelo Alvarez has an a huge... Your leech? A horse's place, like... You been over there or no? No, but I can see his social media and the picture and everything. Like, wow, it's amazing. Wow.

Starting point is 01:02:11 So, yeah, man. It's not my world, but I mean, there's a lot of ranch there in Mexico, so... Yeah. And you said a lot of people are moving over there. A lot of Americans now are moving over to Mexico, to Tijuana, huh? I mean, man, the border in San Diego, Tijuana is crazy every single day, man. Both directions now? Both directions now.

Starting point is 01:02:31 That's crazy. Before, it was just going to the United States. Yeah, now it's going back. Now, the people from San Diego who was trying to cross the border to Tijuana, it's crazy, too, man. They spent, like, one, two hours there. So, yeah, man, I was talking with you. A lot of people from San Diego, you know, American people.

Starting point is 01:02:52 So, they work in San Diego, but they live in Tijuana because they are winning dollars, right? They are spending pesos in Tijuana, in Mexico. So, imagine that, they can spend more because everything is cheaper in Tijuana, right? Right. The thing is, they need to cross the border every day. Right. And, man, I mean, I had a neighbor who...

Starting point is 01:03:15 He was, like, every single morning, like, I don't remember, like, 3 a.m., 4 a.m. Like, I was here in his car, turning on his car, going to the border. And, man... Because it takes a long time, huh? Like, I mean, like you say before, before to start with this, like, I mean, they are winning money, but they are losing life, man. I mean, that's too much to me. In time, yeah, you're sitting in the car, you can't do nothing.

Starting point is 01:03:36 Imagine all the stress every day, like... If you smoke, you probably start smoking, chewing gum. I don't know what I would be for... I don't like that, man. For two hours, that would lose my mind, huh? Every single... But is Tijuana changing a lot? Because there are a lot of people moving there?

Starting point is 01:03:50 Man, Tijuana right now is growing up, like, too much. Wow. And the space is every single time, not enough. Not enough. So, they are building a lot of... They are doing buildings. Oh. So, the city is going up.

Starting point is 01:04:07 Wow. That's crazy, huh? You can see a lot of buildings, a lot of condos, apartments, everything. So, yeah, man, because, again, a lot of people from Latin America, they went to Tijuana trying to cross the border to the United States. They can't. Oh, yeah, huh, huh, endurance? They stuck in Tijuana.

Starting point is 01:04:25 They came with everything, with the culture, with the traditions. So, yeah, man, talking about Tijuana is a weird but nice mix of cultures. Wow. Yeah. Because it's getting diverse. And who else is there? We were talking about people from Honduras, you said? Honduras, the last ones.

Starting point is 01:04:46 From Haiti. I don't know. How do you say it in English? Haiti. Haiti. Haiti. Haiti. Oh, yeah, like...

Starting point is 01:04:54 From the Caribbean, I think. Yeah, the Caribbean. Yeah. And they have witchcraft. Witchcraft. It's like a sorcery. Sorcery? Yeah, like magic and Haiti.

Starting point is 01:05:06 Ah, okay. And our Haiti, we say Haiti also, Haiti. Haiti. But they have witchcraft and magic, like magic, dark arts. Okay. Yeah, so, I mean, now you can see a lot of... Artístico peligroso. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if sometimes, you know, for the language, I don't understand

Starting point is 01:05:23 sometimes, hopefully it's not racist, but you can see now a lot of black people walking in... In Tijuana. No, it's not racist. But you wouldn't see it before. No, no, no. Wow, it's different, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:35 And that's Haitian people, yeah. Yeah. And now, like, people from Honduras, because a lot of people, like, go back to Honduras, but other people stay there. Stay? Wow. Tijuana is getting diverse, huh? Yes, man.

Starting point is 01:05:47 It's crazy. I love the city, man. Yeah. A lot of people say I'm like an ambassador of the city. Yeah? Like, man. Do you get in, like, an armored car when you're there or anything? Do you have security now or no if you go there?

Starting point is 01:05:57 Not yet. Not yet. Have you got to meet the president or anything yet of Mexico? Yes, man. Really? I did it the last year, man. No! And right now...

Starting point is 01:06:07 Was it scary? It's awkward. It's weird because... You went to the capital? Yes, I went to the capital of Mexico, Mexico City. Yeah, Mexico City, I heard, is beautiful. It's beautiful. A lot of nice places, but it's too much people there.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Really? A lot of people. You can see a lot of people in the street trying to cross the street or something, waiting for the light. A lot of people. It's like 200 people waiting in the corner. It's like a nature channel, huh? Exactly.

Starting point is 01:06:39 So, yeah, man. Last year I went to the capital to meet the president. It was weird because, first of all, you... You had to bring the belt, too, or no? Yes. Oh, gosh. A lot of supermarkets. The people love trophies.

Starting point is 01:06:53 Jesus Christ. I can't even show a picture of it. You take it like a guy. Leave it in the car. It's heavy. I know, man. So, I wake up in the morning, I eat my breakfast, and then we went to the Palacio Nacional. Palacio Nacional.

Starting point is 01:07:12 National Palace. Palacio Nacional. Palacio Nacional. The place is huge, isn't it, like, in the center of the city. And there are gates on the front, stuff? Yeah, but we went to the back, from the back to the back, because in the front, it's like too much people watching everything, so... Oh, it's fancy.

Starting point is 01:07:34 It's like tourists. So, in the back part of the Palacio Nacional, a lot of security, a lot of people with suits, a lot of police officers, a lot of media outside, and then you cross some, like, you cross some kind of border. Oh, like a bridge, or... Ah, no, no, no. Oh, like a security. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 01:08:01 Okay. You cross that, and you go to another security who was getting your name and your ID and everything. And you have to take the belt and put it in the basket each time? Uh-huh. No. Of course, yes. You need to pass the...

Starting point is 01:08:15 Put the belt on the X-ray? You need to pass the belt for a metal security, I think. And nothing, it was just wait for him, like 20 minutes, because he was doing something, I don't remember what, and then I met him. And it's weird because... And you knew who he was. Yeah, I know the guy. It's weird in Mexico right now, the government in Mexico is very, like...

Starting point is 01:08:41 Fragmented? Exactly. I mean, it's the same thing like with Donald Trump. Oh, wow. Because a lot of people love him, and a lot of people hate him. Right. You know? So it's the same in Mexico.

Starting point is 01:08:53 So, yeah, before to... When I knew I want to go to meet the president, I want to go to meet the president, I was like, man, I don't know if this is a good idea because I love haters, like, ah, now you are with the government. Oh, yeah. But, man, I mean, I was trying to be very neutral, like, man, I'm going to do this for the mixed martial arts in my country, man. That's a really good point.

Starting point is 01:09:17 I mean, meet the president of a country, San Francisco. Any country, I think it's interesting, you know? So I did... And it's just an honor. It doesn't matter who it is, it's the honor. Exactly, exactly. Just the honor to be there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:27 So, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, I think that people understood that. Yeah, I think so. It makes sense to me. It was a nice experience, man. It was? Yeah. Wow. What aspirations do you have right now?

Starting point is 01:09:38 Do you feel like... Is there a way where you feel like you obviously get back to the belt? Is that a goal right now? It's 100%, man. It is. I mean, I was... I'm pushing so hard with my manager, like, man, I don't want another fight, man. I want that fight because I know that...

Starting point is 01:09:53 I mean, first of all, I still thinking I want that fight. Yeah. Yeah, look, man, I would agree that I don't know if he won. Okay. You know... I don't think that he... I don't believe that he did enough to win. That's where I stand with it.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Man, so... I'm just trying to keep a balance between... I saw the fight. I feel like I won the fight. And I want to be very positive about it. And at the same time, I don't want to be cocky and say, like, oh, I won the fight. I don't need to learn nothing about it because I won. I don't want to be that stupid guy.

Starting point is 01:10:39 Yeah. Okay. Because that guy's not learning anything. Exactly. So, man, I'm trying to watch the perspective of the judges to see what they can maybe watch in that fight and, you know, fix my mistakes. And that's it. I mean, I know for sure.

Starting point is 01:10:58 I just need to fix a little things. A little things. Well, it's also interesting, and I heard you say this on another podcast, talking about the perspective of the judges, because some of them don't know that much about wrestling, about doing MMA, and they don't fucking... I don't even know. Some of them, I don't even know what business they're in. Man, that's important, man.

Starting point is 01:11:16 I mean, a lot of guys from boxing. Yeah. Because they are a little bit old, like, judging on a whole different sport, right? Oh, yeah. And you don't notice sometimes, like, yeah, position is so important. One certain, like, hook of the foot or keeping an arm out of the way, like, things like that are so strategic and that can shape around, it seems like. My point was, I mean, is the guy throw three good punches in all the fight.

Starting point is 01:11:50 He got three knockdowns against me, and he was throwing a good kick. He tried a few takedowns in the fight. He never take me down, really. He take me down one time, but it was my fault because I close too much distance and just take... he just took advantage and he did it. Okay? That's my point. But my point is, man, I was touching his face every single time.

Starting point is 01:12:13 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You know? Like a musician, huh? Like Tommy Lee. Man. I know I don't have enough power to knock a guy, like, cold, but I'm doing my job. Oh, you put him in the refrigerator. Effective punches, straight to his face, everything.

Starting point is 01:12:35 Yeah, what else could you... Look, I don't think that the title should have changed hands, man. I really don't think that it should have. I wonder, sometimes you wonder if it's they're doing something because of the story. They want this bigger picture story. But you know what? Actually, right now I'm very excited, man. Because I feel like I put a little bit more drama in all of this.

Starting point is 01:12:57 And at the same time, I'm a little bit mad with me, like, man, that belt is yours, man. And now you wake up some monster inside of me, man. Yeah, I like that, huh? Some chupacabras. Falpinches, chupacabras. Oh, yeah. So, man, I don't know, man. It is interesting, at least your story now has enough, because that's your story.

Starting point is 01:13:20 Your story is this. Yeah, it's another question, man. That's your story. It is. So, it's almost like we can't be shocked when we get our story, you know? We can't be surprised. It's like, that's what God has for us. He has that story.

Starting point is 01:13:34 It's like, your story is that you are a guy who has to face certain adversities. Everybody is, and that's the way that yours goes. That's interesting, man. But, yeah, I'm sure you have more, you certainly have more purpose. The guy coming wanting something always has more purpose. And you know what, man? It is exciting. It is exciting.

Starting point is 01:13:55 You know what? I mean, I'm very honest with everybody about this. I'm gonna start this in a selfish way. I'm gonna start this because I wanna be the best. Yeah. I wanna prove something to the world who say I'm not enough good to be the best in this sport. You know, stupid things like I want a huge house.

Starting point is 01:14:22 I want a nice car. Everything started from there, from a selfish way. But then, for you? For me, exactly. But then, you know, a lot of people start to come to my journey, you know? My wife, my daughters, my family. Then, you start to watch. If you do a nice job in this, you can do something for the mixed martial arts in your country.

Starting point is 01:14:46 Right. You are motivating a lot of kids around Mexico to do this sport who watch Brandon Moreno. Like, hey, I mean, I wanna be Brandon Moreno. Imagine that, man. I mean. Even probably for Halloween, they had people that were Brandon Moreno. So, man, now I can see, I can move the world, man. I can move.

Starting point is 01:15:05 And that is a huge motivation for me, man. That's a good point. It's powerful. And it's almost, I think it starts to become for some guys in the Alls business. I notice it with Dustin. I notice it with certain guys. You can do, you get to a level as a human where you can do it with or without the sport, even.

Starting point is 01:15:25 I think, I'm not saying that now. I'm not saying, I just think, you know, sometimes you start to transcend. People see who you are as a human through the fighting, you know? And that's what's sometimes really, what also people gravitate towards. Yeah. And, you know, the people sometimes, they forget. I mean, I'm a human. I know how to fight.

Starting point is 01:15:48 Right. That's a fact. But I'm a human being as, like, as you, as the other guys, right? And it's, and that I think is why the people get some motivation because I'm always, I'm always very clear with everybody like, man, I'm born in Tijuana in a, in a hood. You know, definitely I understand the opportunities of other people are different. Maybe had a better opportunities to other people who was trying to do this the same way. I understand a lot of people.

Starting point is 01:16:27 They, they don't, they, they don't get the success in the future. Right. That's a fact, right? Right. Some people don't get the same success or the same future. Some people don't get the same opportunity. Some people get to live vicariously through your opportunity. Sometimes there's a guy maybe who wanted to, wanted to train or wanted to do this or that.

Starting point is 01:16:48 It could be a guy that's in a wheelchair. It could be a guy that is just got his wife, his girlfriend pregnant young and had to start being a man. But, and they see you. It's like, it's almost like they, it's like, oh, that guy, a little, whatever I, what I wanted to have a chance at, he got a chance at. And they're not angry. They are just, they, they, I think can relate, you know?

Starting point is 01:17:11 Yeah, man. So, but man, at the end of the day, to me, it's about hard work. Okay. Obviously it's about decisions. It's about how you manage your, your life and the possibilities of your own world. But to me, it's hard work, man. I, I really believe if you live in this position with hard work, maybe you don't, you don't go to here, but man, you're here and you hard work, your hard work putting here.

Starting point is 01:17:43 Man, that's just a success, man. Do you think that that comes to you from, is that you think that that is a traditionally a Mexican trait? Or do you think that that is something that was learned by your, instilled by your parents? Or do you just feel like it's just who you are? Kind of. Because we started talking that Mexican people work fucking hard. I don't even know when Mexican people sleep.

Starting point is 01:18:04 When I see Mexican people are the hardest. I wake up every day and I go like this round of applause for Mexican people for keeping the country going. They work hard. That's why, I mean, to me, it's this combination is hard work, your decisions and, and your world, your opportunities. Okay, because yeah, it's obviously, it's not just about the hard work. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:30 Okay, because I know a lot of people who cross the border trying to get on a better life for his, for their family and work all his life, but they never do nothing. Like they, they don't save money or they don't, you know, so that is about the decisions. And another thing is, you know, the opportunities around you, you know. When you were grown up, did you know anybody that went and snuck all across the border? Were there people like that? Cause I'm sure that, or people that, you know, came, you know, like, cause a lot of people sneak across, right?

Starting point is 01:19:00 It's, I mean, that just happens over the, you know, tons of people have done it over the years. Do you ever, is that a popular thing where people go and then send money back? Cause you hear about it from here, but you don't, I don't know what it's like in Tijuana, you know? Hmm. Man, I don't know. You never saw that world really much?

Starting point is 01:19:19 Exactly, no, in my, around my family, I mean, I had too much history. I have a family in Los Angeles, for example. And, but I'm not sure if they are legal or not. Right, right. I don't think half the people in Los Angeles know if they're legal or not. So I think they're, they're illegal. I don't, I'm, but I'm sure to be. Right, right.

Starting point is 01:19:40 So I don't know. I mean, before cross the border was easy, man. You needed to say it like, oh, I'm American citizen. You need to speak, and speak like a decent English. And they said you can cross the border. Oh yeah. But then after the, the September 11, the borders, everything are very, very discipline borders.

Starting point is 01:20:02 Right. It's hard to cross the border. You need to have your visa. The, the officers are very like watching everything. You can't cross the border like easy as before. It's tighter. Yeah. And they have, and now they have people crossing the other way.

Starting point is 01:20:19 That's the craziest thing to me is that there's now people leaving America to go live in Mexico. Not that it's not a great thing to do, but it's just, it's just times change, you know. Yeah. I mean, I can, I can imagine isn't the other border cities like, you know, for example, the father of my wife, my wife, the fathers. Your father in law, your, your, your wife's dad. Uh-huh. Your step dad.

Starting point is 01:20:46 He, he lives, he do the same. Like he lives in, in Tamaulipas, but he work in Laredo. So it's, it's the same. Um. I want to go to El Paso. You ever been there? Just, I passed there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:00 Yeah. I don't, I don't stuck there like a little bit because I needed to go to Ciudad Juarez. Oh, you went to Juarez? Yeah. I went to Juarez. Juarez is cool. It's nice. It's a hard place, man.

Starting point is 01:21:10 It is? It's a hard place. It's a lot of maquiladoras there, huh? I think so. I, I, I, I was there like two days or something like that because I was doing something with my visa. And a lot of what? Um, um, criminals?

Starting point is 01:21:24 Or maybe crime? Uh, I don't know right now, but like a few years ago. Banditos. Bandas. Bandas. Bandidos. Bandidos. It's a, it's a weird, uh, word.

Starting point is 01:21:39 What is bandidos? Like this? Yeah, like I go through the back of the money. Yeah. I'm in the back. I'm in the back. Round to the car. Dude, you could be a bandido maybe one day.

Starting point is 01:21:51 Oh, just for Halloween, maybe. Yeah, go on. Maybe, man. Well, yeah, man. I mean, I forgot what I was saying. Oh, it's okay, dude. It's podcasting. You can forget.

Starting point is 01:22:04 I know. That's why I love podcasts. It's good, huh? Because I'm talking and then another conversation is coming. So I forgot what to say. Yeah, no problem. We got two more little questions here. Then we'll get you out of here, Brandon, man.

Starting point is 01:22:16 Here's one that came in. What's up, Theo? What's up, Brandon? My name is Adrian. I'm from El Paso, Texas. Nice. The question is for Brandon, where do you see the sport of MMA from where it was a couple years ago in Mexico to where it is now all across the country?

Starting point is 01:22:37 And what do you think the UFC is doing to advance the sport in not only Mexico, but for all Latinos and all across the Latin countries? Big up to both of you. Congrats on all your accomplishments. You make us very proud, Brandon. Go back and get that belt on the fourth time around. Gang, gang. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:23:01 Let's go. That's cool. Yeah, what do you think is happening with the UFC doing stuff in Mexico? Yeah, I mean, UFC has a few projects in Mexico right now. We had two or three years where the relation between UFC and Latin America was not the best, because everything started with the first developer program from UFC in Latin America. So they went to Mexico City and they made like trials for a lot of Latin fighters.

Starting point is 01:23:39 Guys from Argentina, guys from Colombia, a lot of different fighters from different countries in Latin America, went to Mexico City and I remember the matchmakers of the UFC was there and they started doing like hitting pads, doing Jiu Jitsu rolls with other guys, showing all the skills. Like the skills of the region. Exactly. And then UFC picked 12 fighters to go to Albuquerque, New Mexico, to Jackson's MMA. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:13 The UFC was paying everything, like paying the gym, paying the food to 12 fighters to develop the skills of the fighters, right? And did you have a chance to be in that or no? No, the first generation of that developer program were 12 guys. Then in the first six months, they caught six guys. Oh, fuck. Exactly. Leave six guys there in New Mexico, in Albuquerque, and they bring another six guys.

Starting point is 01:24:47 And that was you. And that was me. One of the guys was me. And they... And you lived together in the house? Yeah. And you lived with one or not? You know, it wasn't a little...

Starting point is 01:24:57 No, it was Carmen, to be honest. Oh, I bet you. And you had bunk bed too? Yeah. Oh, people snoring? A little apartment in the gym, living with 12 guys. Oh, Jesus Christ. Everybody was like this, like...

Starting point is 01:25:13 But I mean... Choking each other, yeah. I know. But I don't care, man. I was like... I was there to get new knowledge and get better and train with different people. So they did that program. Do they still do a lot of programs like that, or is it growing?

Starting point is 01:25:27 I'm sure people just seeing you will help it grow. So that... With those guys from the developer program, they made the ultimate fighter in Latin America. Okay. Okay. So everything started from there, from that developer program and that the ultimate fighter. They made two more seasons. And they made two more developer programs.

Starting point is 01:25:57 So the other developer program was in American top thing, and the last one was in King's MMA in Los Angeles. So a lot of guys start to go to UFC, but then something happened. They stopped with the developer programs. They stopped with the ultimate fighter. And if you wanted to go to the UFC, it was like, oh, I don't have nothing to show. Because it's not like the matchmaker is going to the Mexican promotions to watch the talent there. I see, right.

Starting point is 01:26:29 So there was no way to really be seen. Exactly. So it was hard. But now with the title, I feel like the connection between UFC and Latin America start to work again. So last year, after the title, a lot of guys from, from Anthem Gym, from a gym in, in Tijuana, they went to the Contender Series. Oh, that's cool. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 01:26:53 And actually my manager was a really huge help for that too. So they, they followed the Contender Series. Everybody get the contract. And now they are Jeff's fighters. Wow. That's awesome. And then the next Contender Series is coming. And for sure, I know other guys from, from Anthem, from a gym that are going to the Contender Series.

Starting point is 01:27:15 So there's a huge connection. And, you know, Anthem Gym has a lot of different fighters from different, from different countries. A lot of guys from Argentina, from Peru, from Ecuador. And that's in Tijuana. I turn into Tijuana. Exactly. So right now, I mean, Anthem is the, the most, the most biggest gym in Latin America. In Latin America?

Starting point is 01:27:38 Latin America, in general. Wow. So far. I need to go, I need to go to Tijuana maybe for vacation, huh? Man, a lot of food, man. A lot of nightlife. Balance, a lot of discos, huh? Definitely.

Starting point is 01:27:50 Yeah. So yeah, man, I love Tijuana, man. It's a nice place. I gotta go, man. I'm gonna have to get down there. You need to go there, man. Yeah, man. Maybe I get me a good Mexican wife, huh?

Starting point is 01:27:59 Do you like, hey, you never know. I could use it. I need someone to get me going, you know. Go do this. Some fun in your life. Yeah, I need that. Is it fun having a Mexican wife? Man, I mean, again, my wife.

Starting point is 01:28:12 Your wife is kind of American, but she's Mexican. She's Mexican. She lives all of her life in Mexico. Oh, she's Mexican. So yeah. Yeah, I think I would like to branch out and do that, man. Go there. I mean, if you love tacos, man, you can find good tacos everywhere, man.

Starting point is 01:28:29 Yeah, but after I have some tacos, I gotta do something else, you know? Oh, of course. Yeah. But then what, maybe? Start a company or something, maybe? Yeah. Maybe a small company doing what? Podcast company.

Starting point is 01:28:40 Marijuana company, you said? Man, you know, the marijuana there in Mexico is like... A podcast company, you said. I think you said Pot. Oh, no, I said podcast. Podcast company, yeah. But you wanna talk about marijuana? I mean, it's weird in Mexico because it's very close to be legal, man.

Starting point is 01:29:00 So it's very, very close. So a lot of Mexican marijuana companies, even from the United States, they're like just waiting, just waiting. Like when this legal, they start to, all the stores there. So it's funny how all the CBD companies are just waiting to turn everything company. Wow. Yeah, it could happen soon, huh? You don't smoke drugs, you said no.

Starting point is 01:29:25 No, to be honest, no. Maybe in the future. You never know. Yeah, maybe. If you're like a grandfather, he's sitting there. I mean, I'm not interested, man. I mean, a lot of people smoke marijuana and I don't care. I don't have any problem with the marijuana.

Starting point is 01:29:42 I use a lot of CBD and sometimes when I'm very sore, I smoke CBD sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. But I just feel like I don't need the THC in my life, man. Yeah. I don't use it. Yeah, you're kind of good in the space that you're in. And I just have this, did you, whenever you were growing up, did you guys have any pets at Yall's house or no? I'm just wondering, do a lot of Mexican people have pets or not?

Starting point is 01:30:05 I have just one dog. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And I mean, I'm trying to, I mean, right now, so my friends, they are, I have two friends, two training parents living with me in my house. They take care of my dog because, I mean, right now, I'm like, traveling too much. Before was the training camp and, you know, I need to spend time with my family. I need to take care of my daughter.

Starting point is 01:30:32 So the pet is a kind of another kid. So I don't have too much time to spend too much time with the dog. But that's it, man. I mean, I'm trying to do the enough for him to be happy, right? Is he a happy dog, you think? Yeah. What's his name? Pepe.

Starting point is 01:30:51 Pepe is his name? Oh, wow. And I don't know if the Mexican culture loves to get pets. I feel like the American culture loves to get, like, pets, man. Ridiculous. I have a lot of friends like, oh, I have four pets, four dogs in my house. Like, oh, my goodness. I know.

Starting point is 01:31:07 I have birds. People have birds, canary, snakes. He have snakes. What else, Ali? Some people get everything. Alligators, goats. You like pets or not? I like goats.

Starting point is 01:31:19 What is goats? Goats is like a little bit of like a, it looked like a sheep, but that's been maybe doing drugs, you know, like a goat. Oh, okay. I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. People have goats.

Starting point is 01:31:30 Goats, yeah, man. America. Yeah. I think we have a lot more pets here in America. I wonder why. Yeah. When I was growing up, they had dogs in the street. It wasn't indoor dogs.

Starting point is 01:31:39 People just have a neighborhood have a dog, you know. Okay. You just see a dog get bit by the dog. Whose dog? Nobody knows. He's fucking gone, bro. He's a criminal. You know, he just fucking snuck off.

Starting point is 01:31:49 That's always dangerous, bro. So with the fighting, man, is there any, the only fight you really are going to take is Frigiedo, man. That's it. I mean, I don't know. I understand. I understand. They keep doing it with the letters.

Starting point is 01:32:05 So, man, I mean, I just want to push hard for the, for the four one. Yeah. I mean, I'll watch seven of them. I don't keep doing it. And the thing is that, I mean, every single fight is so entertaining. I mean, he has in, in the last three fights between us, he has two, two bonus performance bonus for a fight of the night. And I have, and I have three.

Starting point is 01:32:32 So every single fight was so, so good. And I think it's the, I mean, the people came watch and they want to watch the four one. I know the company won the four one. And so right now we just like pushing hard for the four one. That's it. And obviously if something happened in the future and they say like, no, you need to fight with another guy, like we'll, we'll be like, I will be mad in that moment. But I mean, I just want to fight.

Starting point is 01:33:02 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, dude. Well, thank you so much for coming in, man. We wish, obviously wish you the best of luck and just cool, man. And yeah, if you guys need another person over there in Mexico, let me know. If you go to Tijuana, talk with me and we can go and eat something good.

Starting point is 01:33:21 Okay. And we can show you. Give me a novia. Novia. Do you want a novia? Possibly. Huge novia, little novia. Maybe mismo.

Starting point is 01:33:32 Okay. What does that mean? Mismo. Middle. In the middle. In the middle. Yeah. Maybe something.

Starting point is 01:33:40 Possibly. Uh, carne asada. Do you want a girlfriend with carne asada on top? Oh, yeah. There we go. I mean, I want her to be cooked. Good cook. A good chef and big hugs, you know.

Starting point is 01:33:57 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Nice hair, too. Nice hair. Okay. Okay. Yes.

Starting point is 01:34:05 Just, just, just start with me and we can go to Tijuana, tacos, put carne asada on the girls. Thank you so much for the space, man. Yes, it's awesome. Congratulations on all your success, man. Thank you. I can easily see why people are just, you know, that people love you. And I hope you, I hope your life's filled with as many successes as you want. Oh, thank you, man.

Starting point is 01:34:23 I mean, the job is not finished yet, but thank you so much. Yeah. Amen. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves, I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found, I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let myself on one.

Starting point is 01:35:05 Shine that light on me, I'll sit and tell you our stories. I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my pants. And these wheels that I've been riding on, they're worn so thin that they're damn gone, I guess now they just weren't built to last.

This Past Weekend - E380 Brandon Moreno

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