This Past Weekend - E432 Logic

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Starting point is 00:01:25 That embankment gang color, you know it. Check these out along with the new windbreaker at theovonstore.com, and thank you for your support. Today's guest just finished his new album, College Park, which you can grab out there. He has seven albums that have been created. He's a rapper and a producer. He's now delving more into the worlds of YouTube and TikToks. You can get to know him as a human as well.

Starting point is 00:01:54 He's Grammy nominated. You may know him as the young Sinatra. His guest is Logic. That's annoying, I have a fucking elevator in my house, well it's like on the outside of it. Damn, rich check. Wow, bro, what do you mean you have a real elevator? And what do you have people like waiting, like how do you-

Starting point is 00:02:44 Well no, there's just an elevator that's like, it's like in my building, but it's basically my elevator basically. Like so say if you get in it and the door's open, where are you? I'm right, I'm at my door. But are you in your condo or home or are you at- No, I'm like a doorway, I'm a doorway. But it's not a lobby, it's like a private, it's like right there, like it's like a shared, it's like me and the others, I'm in Malibu in this condo, so it's a vibe, so you go

Starting point is 00:03:13 all the way down. But wait, what I was gonna say was, I'm really happy to be here. Thanks man. Seriously, you're like TikTok, Ellen. Oh dang. It's a big deal to be here. That's cool, I didn't know that, I mean we have similar haircut or at some point we did, and we're both from Louisiana, which is kind of crazy, you probably wouldn't think that

Starting point is 00:03:32 Ellen's from Louisiana, huh? I didn't know that you were both, I didn't know she was from there. Yeah, I think she grew up there, can you look that up Zach? Huh? Ellen. Ellen DeGeneres. Yo, Ellen DeGeneres is, that was my big thing, I always wanted to be on Ellen, because I watched Ellen since I was a little boy, and then I was like, yo, if you make it on Ellen,

Starting point is 00:03:51 like you made it, and then I actually went to Ellen and performed, I met Kobe. He was there when you went on? Dude, yeah, Kobe was there, let's see, what does he say? Meta-Ree Louisiana. Wow, Louisiana, that's crazy. Wow, Meta-Ree's kind of, wow, Meta-Ree's a good place to, like if you wanna do drugs with somebody that's Italian at night. Okay, well, speaking of drugs.

Starting point is 00:04:19 That's a good place. She was originally supposed to be the chicken, Pulp Fiction, not Uma Thurman, not Uma Thurman's character, but do you remember when Uma Thurman, when they were like, sabbying her in the heart to give her the adrenaline, the shot of adrenaline, and the chick's house when John Travolta was like, who's that girl with all that shit on her face? And he's like, that's my wife, Ellen, was supposed to play the chick with all the shit on her face. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:04:44 Yeah, fun fucking fact. Oh, there it is. That's her. Yeah, that would have been Ellen DeGeneres. That would have been Ellen? Yeah. Oh, dang. Yeah, but that was a highlight for me.

Starting point is 00:04:52 You went there. What'd you mean? You went to Ellen. Yeah, I went there. Well, I went twice, actually. Damn. Yeah, and then we became like homies, and then next thing I know, us and our wives are at her restaurant, and fucking Leonardo DiCaprio comes up, and he's like, what's up, Logic?

Starting point is 00:05:09 But I'm like, what the fuck is going on? What's my life? I felt like somehow I was like joining the Illuminati. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah, it must sort of feel like as you get more popular that you start to meet certain people, and you're like, damn, am I getting closer to like meeting like the final like lizard boss or whatever?

Starting point is 00:05:25 Yeah, I guess. Bro, it's insane. I'm actually, because I'm going ham on social media now, like I'm like taking it so seriously, spending really good money on my team, my camera guys, my editing. I have in-house editors, and I have two houses that I'm paying, because I have so much shit that's coming. Because I've realized... Are you like editor trafficking?

Starting point is 00:05:45 It sounds like almost. I'm editor trafficking. Dang. Yeah. But it's all good. Yeah. And no, but I really believe in like this next chapter of my career, where I'm just going to be making music and having a blast, but like I feel that my personality is really

Starting point is 00:05:57 what makes me, me, and what makes Logic Logic, you know, the biracial guy, like just being myself, and I'm about to lean into that shit hard as fuck. So. What do you think about it, Ellen? Well, it's interesting. I think like as I watch you, I think like first, obviously, people get to know you through your music, right? Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 00:06:15 Or a lot of people have. But then I also find, and I've found this, I haven't found this about a lot of musicians, and a lot of musicians kind of aren't interesting. They're interesting through their music, but they aren't... I've found a lot of musicians are tough to interview, because... It's the personification. They're trying to portray like who they are on the record rather than allowing themselves to just be them.

Starting point is 00:06:38 You know what I mean? It's like Mariah Carey takes shits, you know what I mean? But maybe she doesn't want to talk about that on the show. You know what I mean? Like I got, I got to use wet wipes. What about you? I'm still, I'm still afraid to admit which way I'll wipe. What you mean?

Starting point is 00:06:51 You be wiping towards the ball? I mean, I don't know. Are you fucking serious? What? That's crazy. You what? You wipe towards your balls? I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:06:59 Anyway, man. So I use, I use, I use wet wipes. I don't know. I mean, they should have people like kind of like, that should be something you have to like, instead of like your gender, like say which way you wipe, like that way people can just assume your gender right there. I get it. I guess.

Starting point is 00:07:17 I don't know. But I've never heard about, I've never heard of a man wiping towards his balls. Yeah, that's insane. I think that'd be who would do it, you know, nobody I know. Yeah. Anyway, question. I have a question for you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:28 First of all, are you cool talking about like fan, nothing weird. I'm just saying like family, like if I asked you about family and stuff. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. So your dad, when he has you was 70 years old. Yeah. Bro.

Starting point is 00:07:41 Cause I was looking shit up. Cause like, I've seen, you know, cool stand up, fun stuff like that. But I like, before I came to the show, I was like, man, I really want to know even more about this, this guy. So that means that your father was born like over 110 years ago. Yeah. Let me think. I was just, it's so funny.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Yes. I was just thinking about him the other day and I was thinking about how, how old he would be if he was alive, he would be, he was born in 1910. Great. So he would be 113. This year. Wow. That's.

Starting point is 00:08:14 It'd be crazy. My grandfather was born in 1880. But to be busted nuts at 70. Oh, I don't want to do it. That's wild. Cause your heart could stop. Well, that reminds me of my dad. Like every time you're like getting close, it's just a risk, man.

Starting point is 00:08:31 How old was your dad? And thank you for asking, man, it's sweet to you that you, that you checked out and you care. It's nice to think about my dad. I was thinking the other day how it would be cool if they had a place where you could take clothing from like a deceased parent and put it on a mannequin and go spend time with your family in a weird way. That's funny.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Like if people need that kind of healing in their lives or something. I know you had kind of a wild upbringing. So you started out in Maryland, right? Yes, sir. Okay. Just for an audience that doesn't know, cause some of our audience might not know you and I want them to get to know you. So you started out in Maryland and your parents are both your parents are different colors,

Starting point is 00:09:02 right? Yeah. My dad's black and my mom is white. And I was conceived in a crack house after they had met each other after about three days. Yup. And then a bender, a bender baby. Bender baby.

Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah. My mom was a prostitute. My dad was a crack out for a long time. I'm named after my dad and yeah, what's really crazy though is I remember my dad telling me, he was like, yeah, you know, I got a paternity test to make sure your ass was mine. Cause I came out looking white as fuck cause it's very apparent. My father is a black man. Like he's not half black.

Starting point is 00:09:36 He's not this. He's fucking black. And I thought he did it like when I came out the canal, but the literally bro, like three days ago, a buddy of mine was at my crib and he's like, oh, fuck, I got a warrant. I'm like, what do you mean you got a warrant? And he's like, I got a warrant in Maryland and I'm like, bro, when's the last time you were there? He was like 10 years ago.

Starting point is 00:09:55 I'm like, oh shit, what do you got to do? I'm gonna write the judge long story short. He was looking up his criminal history on this website and he's like, yeah, you can type in anybody's name and I'm like, yo, type in my fucking dad. So he types in, he types in my dad and my dad's like, bro, he like stole my identity and maxed out credit cards before I was 18 and shit cause we have the same name. And so, um, I'm like, let's look it up. So we look it up and I'm just seeing like petty theft, car theft, possession charges.

Starting point is 00:10:26 And then I see Terry Lee Miller, my mother's maiden name versus Robert Hall, defend it. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? And it says paternity slash child support, bro. It's like 1999. So I'm nine years old. And I look this. It's so crazy. Like, bro, I never knew, like, you know, I heard about it.

Starting point is 00:10:46 I kind of saw things when I was a kid, but you don't really put too much together. Yeah. And then you see on the internet, you're kind of something you're like wandering through yourself. It's like I'm reading. I already wrote a biography. You know what I mean? I wrote, I wrote an autobiography.

Starting point is 00:10:58 So now I'm reading something that's even crazier. And so what's hilarious is that it shows like that my dad took a paternity test because he was like, that ain't my baby. Nine years later, and it's nine years. Wonder what you, if you did something at eight years old that he's like, nah, I'm out. But the best part is fuck the internet. I'm black. I told you.

Starting point is 00:11:20 Yeah. I told you. So yeah, that was wild. Dude. Yeah. I think these days, yeah, being black definitely helps. I think everything's kind of heading towards that kind of Ben Simmons kind of trans sort of vibe where everybody's going to be.

Starting point is 00:11:33 I think it's. Olive people. That's what I said. Olive people. We've always said like beige power, like in three generations, you can't, you're going to need, even now you need like a chart to be racist. I feel like you need like a, you know what I'm saying, you need to like carry the one if you're really going to get into it.

Starting point is 00:11:46 Like you can't even yell, you should just be a little yell like or something out of the window and it would land on somebody. But now it's like everybody's. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But yeah, crazy. That's crazy, man.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Did it make you feel like he didn't care or something at that point? Cause that would be, I feel like if I saw that or did your mom like instigated and so that's why he had to do it. No, I think, well, I definitely think she won a child support, but also I'm just like woman, what you going to get from a crack head? Like I'm just being real, right? I love my dad. He's clean nowadays.

Starting point is 00:12:16 And I actually, I haven't talked to him in a couple of years and I just texted him the other day. And so I'm always trying to, it's like a black hole, no pun intended that I'm always trying to go through. It's just whatever. Anyway, I'm like woman, why would you even try to get child support when the man can't take care of himself at the time? So I'm like, it just, to me, it doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 00:12:37 But now your, your dad has my dad on age nut busting, but my dad was 63. This is what's really crazy. I'm one of nine. Wow. I'm the only child between my mother and my father. So my mother has all, all her children are with black men and all my brothers and sisters on my dad's side, they're all, so everybody's mixed, but I'm the whitest looking mother. I'm the most transparent.

Starting point is 00:13:02 And what's crazy is, is 33 years ago after I was born, my dad got a vasectomy. And then five years ago, I find out that I have a little brother. So the story is a wild one now. So he was already chopped out and then he got a new baby somehow. Yeah. It's actually just poked through. And it's his, cause you know, they made him get a paternity test. So what's crazy is it has a stack of pizza at his house, man.

Starting point is 00:13:32 What's wild though about my dad is that who I love, I'm just keeping it real. You know what's always fun, really funny is like sometimes my family would be like, we don't want our business out there. And I'm like, well, you shouldn't have done all that dumb ass shit. What the fuck do you mean? But anyway, I would never say anything too crazy, but this is all public fucking knowledge. So yeah. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:13:51 So my dad, I find out I have a little brother, it's like 2018. And I wrote about this in my book because I actually wanted to adopt my brother, but that's another story. So I had a stepmother. Her name was Debbie. And Debbie and my dad would use together. And Debbie OD'd and wound up in a coma for four months. So she's in a coma, beautiful woman.

Starting point is 00:14:17 She's in a coma. My dad is like, all right, well, this sucks. He's in the program AA and he goes up to one of his friends and they're talking to dad. They find out that a close friend of his is dying. I think it was like cancer or something. So he goes to see her and like her last words are like, take care of my daughter and her daughter was like this young 21 year old girl and he took care of her. He fucked her and knocked her up.

Starting point is 00:14:42 No. Yeah. Oh, that's so. Yeah. She is so AA. Everyone's fucking each other. Anyway, knocks her up. Shortly after the baby's born, she dies of a heroin overdose.

Starting point is 00:14:55 Then, and now this had happened a bit before, but while all this was happening, my dad had started seeing a woman who I think is now his current wife. And then his then wife comes out of the coma and he's like, it's over. Just like, yo, that's so crazy. Well, sometimes women take a long time to make to decide. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:19 But it's like, wow. I love how the first thing she gets out of the coma. And then unfortunately, she OD'd and died a couple of years later. But this is like the life I grew up in, man, just drugs and violence and guns and my brothers running in the streets. And you have surprise siblings. It's like. Surprise siblings, bro.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Like 11 years old. I had four siblings. I was like, what? It seems like so like such a chaotic environment to grow up in like, were there times, were there like some special times you remember like spending with your mom or dad that was just kind of like you and them one on one that were like, that was kind of like a warm like human kind of time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:53 I remember this one time my dad stole my earring and pawn it for crack. That was dope. Damn. It was just one earring too. It was just one earring. Yeah. Um, I guess, I guess a few times I had what my dad was music because he's a musician. So he plays like go-go music, which is a prominent in DC and he played with EU and Chuck Brown

Starting point is 00:16:11 and different people. And I think that's where I get a lot of my musical talent. But he's the type of motherfucker though. He would like take me to the studio. And if there was like studio time that he schemed, like I would get none of it. Like he'd be like in there singing like, you know, he's got some, he's got some songs, one of his most famous lines as a, she's just a crackhead bitch sucking on the devil's ding dong.

Starting point is 00:16:31 And he's talking about smoking a pipe. Yeah. I feel like that's copyright dude. I've heard that every crackhead I feel like plays that straight up like that is like a national anthem. My mom, my mom, we, we, there was definitely for as, as sick mentally as my mother was and is. I haven't talked to her in over a decade now, unfortunately.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Wow. And I'd love to, but she's just not there. She's the type of person to be like, don't take the late Lord's name in vain. God damn it. You motherfucker. Like crazy. You know what I'm saying? And she was, she would, she'd hit me with the hard R and all my, my brothers and sisters

Starting point is 00:17:07 growing up. It's weird. Really? Yeah, man. Your mom would inbomb you. Yeah, bro. It was like this systemic, because she, you know, I remember her telling me that she brought, you know, a 14 year old black boy home to introduce to her parents.

Starting point is 00:17:19 And they were like, we don't mix with their kind here. Like, wow. Right. It was like old school racism. Yeah. So it was in her. Cause she would always, obviously she's fucking black guys. You like, you're not, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:17:29 It's like, you know who's fucking, I'm usually back in the day, they were driving like a Honda Civic. It would be kind of like a thick girl that got sunburned pretty easy and was driving a Honda Civic. And if she was a redhead dude, she's smashing brothers. No cat brother was no, every girl that drove by with a fucking Honda Civic dude, that was a little bit thick, bro. I was catching some sun and freckles were showing up on her shoulders, she was going

Starting point is 00:17:53 over to it. I had some, I had some good times. I did. I had some good times with my mom, but I had more work, like my mother, she almost strangled me to death one time. I just been, I've been kidnapped. I've been through the gnarliest shit, fucking molested, wild shit, but well, and that was just, that was my dad's girlfriend.

Starting point is 00:18:09 She just kissed me with skittles in her fucking mouth and I could taste the rainbow. Oh God, that would make me fucking hard. Yeah, it was great. I swear to God, dude, if a woman, I remember if any woman came even near me when I was a child, I'd get it right. What is up with that though? That's a real thing. I used to be in ninth grade.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Like I couldn't get up. Did you please write this mathematical equation and I'm like, I'm fucking doing math exact Galifianakis to decrease my boner before you stand up. But yeah. I think, well, for me, I think there was no, like I had such a like a rocky connection with my own mother. Like she didn't show me like a lot of, and I say this a lot, but I don't really go into it.

Starting point is 00:18:44 She like didn't show me like a lot of affection and she like would kind of look at me with judgment all the time. And so I never knew anytime I got around a woman, it was always like a lot of like real like uncomfortable energy. Was this even when you were like a child? Did you feel this way or was it more in your teenage in later years? I didn't notice it until I got a little bit. Now I notice it all.

Starting point is 00:19:08 It all makes a lot of sense. Yeah. But yeah, I think my mother would just always had a lot of, she never looked at me like just with like adoration. There was always like judgment. And so I think I always interpreted that like with a woman that there's always some type of judgment. So I'm not enough immediately when I show up or even look at a woman.

Starting point is 00:19:26 It's like, even when I look at a woman's eyes, it was like, I'm not enough. So I think that like permeated in me throughout like being young. And so I think it made everything kind of, so then anytime I got close to a woman, everything was uncomfortable because it was like, how can I be this close and I'm okay. I'm like, I'm okay to be here and it's not like I'm not being like feeling rejected. It's like, I think it made it made everything super just a lot of nerves in that space, you know, I get it.

Starting point is 00:19:55 I've always felt more of a connection with women because I was raised and surrounded by women. So I've had to deal with like, you know, I've had sisters who fucking come home after getting raped or, you know what I mean? Just like the craziest shit. And I don't know. I just always, like, you know, I see my, my mom, I'm like a little boy, you know? Like, damn, you're a toddler.

Starting point is 00:20:12 She's getting her fucking brains beat out of her. She's all bloody and police come and all the shit. And I'm like, oh, don't treat a woman like that. You know, my dad's smoking crack and punning my fucking PlayStation and shit. Oh, don't treat your child like that. So I saw all these, you know, my brother's running around with guns, oh, try to don't do these things. And that's not me shitting on my family.

Starting point is 00:20:30 Like it's just right. It is what it is. You know what I mean? And a lot of my families really turn their lives around for the most. I mean, motherfuckers still in the hood and shit, but it's good. And you know, sometimes motherfuckers will be like, hey, man, like, how come you don't give your money, your family money? And it's like, one, I have, and then it's gone immediately.

Starting point is 00:20:48 It's like, I've done that. And then it's like, oh, I learned my lesson immediately. Cause like you get somebody money, they don't know what to do with it. It's even like, okay, what? I'm going to buy you a house and then what? I got to pay your mortgage for the rest of your life or I got to this, I got to that. So it's like, you can only give but so much to, to a person because if somebody gave me a million dollars when I was in the hood at 18, I would just be a Taco Bell every day.

Starting point is 00:21:08 Oh, like I would just be like, I don't know how I'd be doing coke. Dude, I'd be trying to eat my own ass. Dude, you do enough drug. You'll try to, you'll get back there. True. All right. It's time to take on the sunshine, but to do it with gear that's built to last our friends at shady rays.

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Starting point is 00:23:51 easier to share stuff with or help them get something if they're trying to get in their life and I can help financially and then there's some where it's like they're not in a space where they're kind of healthy enough in a way where it's like, yeah, it's tough to, if you give $10,000 to somebody who's struggling with addiction, you might never, they may die. No, you can't do it. Yeah. So some of that stuff gets a little bit tricky.

Starting point is 00:24:14 My niece, my niece, I'm putting her through college right now. She's one of the ones that like really broke through and she's doing incredible. Sorry. What were you gonna say? Yeah. So, but how are you able to like compartmentalize that stuff and like not get so attached to it because it seems like you're able to like talk about these pretty traumatic times that happen in your life and you don't, but you're able to kind of discuss it in a way

Starting point is 00:24:34 that's like. I'm not like, who the fuck? Like, yeah. Did you go through that or you never really, that never really was? I definitely did, but I was never like, I mean, I've had, there's, you know, I've shed some tears over like not having a family. You know what I mean? Things like that.

Starting point is 00:24:50 But most of the tears I shed were like having my son and like getting married to a beautiful woman that loves me and like giving me the family I never had. And that shit makes me be like, wow, like I'll look at my son, like this cute little three year old pure soul. And I'm like, damn, I can't believe my parents smacked me around and did, you know, crack in front of me, you know, I had drug dealers in a house cooking crack, I'm breathing this shit in. I could never imagine that for my son.

Starting point is 00:25:19 So it makes me really happy, but I think the biggest way, if I'm being quite honest, how I dealt with my upbringing was through music, through writing. You know what I mean? Cause like a lot of people are scared of therapy or this or that. I've always been, I've been in therapy for 10 years, over 10 years now, and it's, it's helped me a lot and it's given me a lot of tools to break down and better know myself. But before I, you know, sat down with any professional, I had to really look in the mirror and be like, yo, like what matters to you?

Starting point is 00:25:46 You know what I mean? What, what do you want? What don't you want? And with the wraps and shit, like I didn't look at it at hip hop and go, oh yeah, I'm a boats and hoes and bitches and I didn't like, I didn't see it like that. I saw it as a, as a business. And I say with persistence, determination, realism and wanting success more than your next breath, you could truly fucking attain anything you want, but a big key is realism.

Starting point is 00:26:07 So I wasn't like, oh, I went to $20,000 chain and I went to, I was like, I want to create a brand and I want to do it in a way that nobody else is really doing it. And that's why my whole motto is peace, love positivity. It's about being yourself. And also the craziest shit is bro, Eminem is Eminem, the goat, he's the shit, but he's not the first white rapper. There was so many before, bro, I'm the first black, white, white looking black guy, traversing hip hop, like me and J, J Cole's genetic makeup, the same, Drake's the same.

Starting point is 00:26:38 You know what I mean? So many people. So I'm like the first of my kind as well, experiencing this. So when I would be talking about things like emotions and how it's okay to feel this and people are like, shut the fuck up. And I had to like really navigate being comfortable in my skin. And yeah. Yeah, cause I feel like that's not a universe where if you come with feelings in like a

Starting point is 00:26:59 rap battle, it's a, you know, that's not the sword and shield you want to bring in there. It's changing a little bit though. When you see like a lot of these vert, like a lot of like these like ciphers and verses and stuff you see online. I feel like you, you start to, people get a little bit more emo in there. I guess. I don't really give a fuck about that shit. I'm just like, I love music.

Starting point is 00:27:19 You know what I mean? Like I used to be about the freestyling and all that shit and like the battles and that's, it's cool. It's cool. But it's a lot of, it's a lot of like, fuck you. I'm great at it and all this, which is systemic. I still rap like that sometimes. Like I'll have braggadocious shit.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Like I actually had a line where I said braggadocious flow and vein like an IV. So it's like, it's just like little things where it's in us. It's systemic. I'm not wearing this. I'm wearing this cause I never had it. My people never had it. So I, I like it. I got it.

Starting point is 00:27:48 What's up? Look at me in a way. Right? It really is like, you know what I mean? I'd like to think I do it a little more, you know, classic. I'm not, I just try to try not to be too over the top. But if a motherfucker wants to be over the top, good. He never had it.

Starting point is 00:27:59 And if that's what he wants to do, but I would rather sleep in my money. You know, I'd rather sleep in a $5 million house in Malibu. I'd rather. Have you a nice home or something? Yeah. I'd rather go make or get you a damn ottoman, dude. I remember when I got a fucking ottoman cus, god damn, bro. It changes the game.

Starting point is 00:28:18 It does. Dude, when I sat on the couch and then my feet sat on the couch, touchdown, dude. I thought I was going to damn heaven, bro. That's pretty amazing. I would have taken my own life right there if I could have, just to stay comfortable forever. Oh my God. I got a number you could call. I know, dude.

Starting point is 00:28:33 I heard about that, man. Um, sorry, our conversation has been all over a little bit, but it's cool, bro. I'm trying to, I'm trying to. I like it, it feels like we're just, like I'm just chilling with a friend. So speaking of which, you went to like five fucking colleges. What's up with that? Yeah, man. I think I didn't know what I wanted to do and I got into comedy and it, like comedy

Starting point is 00:28:53 was this kind of thing. You didn't have to commit to anything. You know, I had, I always had, I always had a lot of trouble, uh, committing to stuff. And so comedy kind of made it where you didn't have to commit. I think I didn't want to commit to a college. I just, I don't know. I had big like commitment issues. I think out of the gate in the world, I didn't like kind of my environment so much that I

Starting point is 00:29:12 just didn't, I was never going to let anything kind of place me or pigeonhole me or even if it was a school, you know, it was like, I want to do my own thing. You know, I think that's dope. I mean, I feel like also if I personally, I feel that your twenties, like till like 26, 27, that's the time to just fuck your life up if you're going to do it. Like following a dream. Like let it go.

Starting point is 00:29:40 Cause by the time you're 26, 27, you're like, all right, fuck it. I'll put this tie on and go to this job for the rest of my life. Chase bank or whatever, but it's like, I feel like enterprise rental to whatever you're going to, whatever your ambition is, do it now. Do it right now while you still can. Cause you don't want to look back, you know, um, full of regret. I say that a lot of people, you could even, and I know this is maybe look frowned upon or whatever, you could kill somebody.

Starting point is 00:30:05 A lot of people are doing seven. I would say that's frowned upon. Well, a lot of people are doing seven years now. Oh, for a murder? Yeah. So I'm like, dude, if there's somebody that we really don't need, I mean, ask some other people under the fucking pick somebody in your area, but you know, get a small consensus and look dog, if you think it's going to help humanity, bro, you only, you know, people

Starting point is 00:30:23 are doing seven years. Wait a second. How did we just go from following your dreams to murdering people and only getting seven years? It's rap music, dude. Actually, one thing I did want to also ask, cause we were talking about emotions and shit. So as a comic, you know, as a fucking genius comedian, which you are, you know, you're so quick, you're witty, you're on your shit.

Starting point is 00:30:44 Has there ever been a time where you were like going back and forth with another comedian and they actually, and this is, it's not a two-part question, but more of a description and they actually like fucking like legitimately hurt your feelings? Or is it more so like, fuck, I've been bested in this comedic duel? Or both? That's a good question, man. I think I've been bested in a comedic duel for sure, but like guys like, you know, I'll get around like Shane Gillis sometimes and just who he is makes me laugh.

Starting point is 00:31:16 Or if I'm having like a rough day, fuck, one day I've been eating, I went on a new diet or you didn't eat any calories or something for like a week. So I could barely even breathe, you know, like I couldn't even open my eyes at good. And I had to do an episode with this kid, Bryce Mitchell, right? And he seemed like this, like, I thought he was like a wizard, you know, and he's like a UFC guy, like he's a very interesting dude. I don't think people would say he's a wizard though. And he's, I like had no energy.

Starting point is 00:31:44 So I was like, I felt pretty bested that day. I think sometimes there's times where you get with comedy, I think it's good with podcasting because you can do the conversations again. I would, but I think doing something like rapping, that kind of thing feels really scary because people judge bars of raps and stuff all the time. They don't do that with comedy. Nobody's like, oh, dude, Larry had some shit bars over here, you know, it's like they're not doing that.

Starting point is 00:32:13 So they might say when somebody has a couple of good jokes, but that would be scary to me to be like, okay, I'm going to rest on these lines and put them out. Has there been something you put out where you're like, because I've put out some specials where I'm like, I know that the recording that night wasn't the best. I know that like after the audio came out, I'm like, these people I was working with didn't do, didn't capture it the best. I know that I probably could have been in a better position and taken care of myself better the weeks leading up to it.

Starting point is 00:32:41 So I was putting out something as good as I could. But with your work, you got to feel like, you get a chance to be like, okay, this is it. Is there ever a point where you like started something and by the end you were like, fuck, but I still got to put it out? No, I would never put out something if I like wasn't behind it, like if I wasn't behind it, even if it's like some fun shit or because that was one thing that was really tough to navigate through this last decade because I'm known as a fucking lyricist, like I rap,

Starting point is 00:33:13 but I've also broken out of that box and made pop music, I've made trap music, I've sang, I've done indie records, I've done all types of stuff because I just, that's me, I want to do different shit. It's like you've acted, you have a podcast, you're so much more than just, you know, just a comedian quote unquote, you know, and that's how I thought about myself. So the hardest thing was navigating like people, what other people thought and what other people said because I did care and because I wanted to be accepted so much, like I literally, it was so obvious and apparent, but that's because I love hip hop and it's a beautiful

Starting point is 00:33:47 space. But the thing is, is I was always accepted by the greats, the people in this, you know, industry, whether it's Wu Tang Clan, Nas, like so many people that I've come into contact, Q-Tip. You know, I mean, You've worked with all of them. Yeah. And they give me my flowers and it's really amazing, but for so long, I was so focused

Starting point is 00:34:04 on like, well, I want to be accepted by, I don't know, like the taste maker or somebody with a fucking podcast. Yeah. It's like, fuck them in their podcast. I rap. Right. And when I, Or any fuck tard, any fuck tard in a Honda Accord with fucking loud pipes on that bitch,

Starting point is 00:34:20 dude. It's like, ah, fuck, does that guy like me? You know? No, but that's a real thing though. That's what I'm saying. That's a real thing. That's a dude. It's like, instead of really, if, you know, if the greats are giving you your rewards,

Starting point is 00:34:32 but I'm still listening to this motherfuckers driving by and he's listening to Nelly still, I'll be like, fuck dude, I got, I'm missing somebody. I'm missing a man. I love Nelly, but I'm just saying, yeah, it's like I'm missing something. I get it. I think having my son, do you have children? Having my son really totally open my eyes about how much shit doesn't fucking matter. Right.

Starting point is 00:34:53 Having this thing that came out of my nuts is healthy and happy. So Joe Schmo talking shit about me. Like who gives a fuck? Also it's like I'm rich and I'm famous and you're talking about me. Like good job. Like bro, you did it. Like Mission Accomplished. You met the green lizard alligator at the end of the fucking game.

Starting point is 00:35:12 Like you did it. And so for me, that realization, and this is just in the last few years because my biggest thing was I used to be so upset that it hurts when people would say mean things about me, which they do on the internet all the time. I mean, it's crazy. I hope your baby dies, your wife's ugly, and when you see that every day, every day, all these different things, just people that shit that people spew out, it can fucking affect you.

Starting point is 00:35:35 And so I used to be so angry like fuck, like why does this hurt? Why does this hurt? And then I realized it's like, bro, it hurts because you're a human being and you have emotions. And when I stopped being so hard on myself and I was like, bro, it's okay that it hurts. What you're in control of is how long will you let that affect you and how much will you let it affect you? And now if I see some shit, if I subject myself to being on the internet and I see some shit,

Starting point is 00:35:58 I just kind of just like, fuck this guy. And that's it. And it's pretty cool, but it used to keep me up. So what helped you turn there? Because that's really some AA type stuff. It's like, you know, if I sit there and read something about it and I feel, start to feel a certain way, that's normal, that kind of can happen. But if I sit there and continue to feel that way, then I'm doing that to myself at a certain

Starting point is 00:36:16 point. I don't realize it. That thing is the instigator. But if I'm sitting there and still thinking about it, then that's a choice that I'm making really at a certain point. We're still going through it. Right. Because I used to go and like, people would be like, oh, you're amazing.

Starting point is 00:36:31 I love your comedy. I love your albums and it's just so much love. I love you. I love you out there. But then we look and it's like, you fucking suck. And you're just like, oh my God. And you looked at the guy and you look at him and he's fucking 14, he plays Xbox. He's a cunt.

Starting point is 00:36:44 And you're like, this whole thing, when like deep down, it doesn't matter why we're doing this to ourselves. But I think a big part of it is what it means to be human and adaptation. So when you think about like us fucking on like an African plane thousands of years ago. Oh, you're like big buck hunter. Type shit, type beat. And when we walk out of the brush, like nobody's going, wow, look at these beautiful clouds. Look at this, Scott, no, you're looking for lions immediately.

Starting point is 00:37:14 And so I think that's what we do on like today. Fast forward. We're looking for where's the threat? Where's the threat? And now I'm just kind of like, man, I honestly don't know why the fuck I cared so much for so long. You know what I mean? Well, it would make sense if like you cared if you're looking for, I mean, I feel like

Starting point is 00:37:32 especially as children, especially growing up, you're probably looking for adoration. Everybody wants to be seen or accepted. Yeah. I don't know. You seem to have adapted pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like it was ever terrible, but there was just times when it was, but and the reason

Starting point is 00:37:50 I love to discuss things whenever I, such as this, whenever, you know, we kind of reached the subject for people out there is it's like, bro, you're not alone. Like it's a real thing. That doesn't sound cliche, but like everybody goes through shit. Everybody you go on the internet, you're going to fight with some asshole that it could like, it can, it can affect you and just the sheer amount of shit that we see and process mentally daily. Like, I don't think humans are even supposed to be doing that.

Starting point is 00:38:13 Yeah. Like think if it's like 1950, you know, and little, little Mary Jane, like this bitch didn't have Twitter and she all, and just see all this shit with all these girls half naked by fucking 13 being over sexualized and she's like, well, I need to change myself and I need all like that shit didn't exist. Well, that's all, you know, I wonder a lot of times I think, you know, and I've jerked off recently, I'm going to be honest with everybody, but I think that a lot of times we've exhausted our sexuality.

Starting point is 00:38:42 So like, you know, I feel like you're, you're even maybe even through a DNA strain, you're only supposed to see so much cooter and everything over time and ass or whatever. I actually agree with that. Oh, so it's crazy that now you're having children. I think that have no sex because you fucking you, you know, Ronnie, the daddy or whatever spewed it all out, dude, that's why fucking Ernie is just sitting in the yard, fucking licking rocks and scrolling on Tik Tok because he can't even, he don't even have anything left in him.

Starting point is 00:39:11 You know, it's like, it's weird. Like whenever we created digital media, it's like we burned it out all out of us. I think there's a lot of men out there who are gay, not even because they want to be. It's cause they, all the straightness got jerked out of them over time by looking at photography. Wait, what? Wait, what? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:39:29 I don't know, man. I think we don't know the long-term effects of some of this pornography. Think about it, dude. Like, like when you're saying back in the day, you go to maybe the store and you see a woman pick up a melon or something, you go jerk off in the truck. And you think about it. Oh, that was insane. Every time you fucking see an avocado salad, you gotta hide in the, in the, in the, in

Starting point is 00:40:07 the outhouse. When I was a kid, I used to fucking watch anime and I just be in my head thinking about like this anime bitch with big-ass tits and I'm like 12 years old and, oh yeah, bro. Cause I didn't have anything. I didn't have fucking porn. I didn't have fucking internet. You know what I'm saying? I was busting nuts to fucking pencil drawings.

Starting point is 00:40:21 Damn, dude. It was a vibe though. I remember one time I busted so many nuts. The first time I ever busted a nut. Oh yeah. Take us there. I busted like 13 nuts. Uh-uh.

Starting point is 00:40:32 I was like 12 years old and I'm shooting ghost loads. Date time or night time? Um, night. All night. Literally, I, it was the first time, cause you know, it's like my dick would get hard and this and that. I'm like 12, bro. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:43 But like, you know- My neck would get hard when my dick would get hard and off. Like Batman? Yeah. It was like, I was like, I'm on the Gravitron at the fair or whatever. Literally. The fucking UFO. Literally, I would, I, I, you know, I just, I'd never busted a nut and then you bust

Starting point is 00:40:57 that first nut and it like opens your mind. You're like, oh my God. So I jerked off all night and then my dick was like all fat and hurt and I went to school next day and it was like, I was walking weird and then I came home and I was like, man, I talked to my friend. I was like, yo, I think my dicks fucked up. Can you look at it? He's like, what?

Starting point is 00:41:18 You want me to look at your dick? And I was like, yeah, man, it's all good. Dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You do it so much. You end up in a gay instance. What can I say? What can I say? What can I say?

Starting point is 00:41:28 But no, it was, it was so late. He was like, yeah, you should have fucked up. You need to chill. So I was like, okay. He just told you that. Yeah. He was just like, yeah, that's not normal, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:36 You know? I remember getting so much ointment and I would pack it around my wiener because it would like, I just exhausted it's you so much and I would get like all that Neosporne where, are you being serious? Oh, 100%. And I would put it all around it because it would hurt. You know? So we see Kay was on here and we talked about that about, imagine if you had a friend that

Starting point is 00:41:56 was your wiener and you just kept fucking pack, every time he was around, you just kept fucking shaking him around until he spit up all over. And then he did it. And then everybody's like, let him rest, let him rest. You're like, nah, I'll fucking get him back up. Oh my God. How many nuts have you busted in a day? Oh, not that many.

Starting point is 00:42:11 I'm more of a, I'm more of a long, I'm more of like a, like draw it out edge. I wouldn't even call it edging. I would just call it very lazy kind of archaic nuts, you know? Archaic nuts. I think maybe four. Oh man, I got you beat. Yeah, good. I can't handle it.

Starting point is 00:42:30 I mean, I was just really in. It bums me out. If I do it a little bit, it bums me out. You know what I'm over porn? I'm so over it. It's horrible. They said this actually, seven states push to require ID for watching porn online. Louisiana just did this.

Starting point is 00:42:44 And I think this is one of the best things that's ever been done. For sure. Dude, I really do think a logic that this, this is ruined a lot of relationships. It's like, it used to be a woman was where any fantasy you had was directed towards your spouse, towards your, towards your wife. And then now those fantasies are all exalt you. That person can't even compete with the, the, the, the digitality of, of all this pornography. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:12 What does that article say? I'm sorry, Zach. Gotta love Zach. I love Zach. Thanks, bro. He's good, man. And I've never told him that. So I'm glad.

Starting point is 00:43:20 I'm actually. No, he's great. Finally. He is. After decades of, can we zoom in a little bit? After decades of fretting over minors potentially being overexposed to pornography online, several states are suddenly moving fast in 2023 to attempt to keep kids off porn sites by passing laws requiring age verification.

Starting point is 00:43:37 No, but that's real. I mean, have you ever seen like those funny TikToks or things where it's like literally eighth grade and the band's playing at lunch and then they'll stop and then the kid does the porn hub drum thing as like a joke. And then all the kids laugh because they know it's, it's fucking deep, man, because like I remember the first time I was exposed to pornography, I was like five years old. No. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:00 But it was, it was print. That's how old I am. It was print. Yeah. Same. It was print magazine, but I just didn't understand. I remember going up to my, my mother and once again, she's a huge shitting on her here, but I'm just being honest.

Starting point is 00:44:09 She's a fucking hypocrite because, you know, I was like, what's sex? I was five years old and I asked her and she was like, that's sex. And I'm like, what the fuck? Well, she did that. She did this. She just went like that. And I was like, oh, shit. So then I went to my homies.

Starting point is 00:44:24 I was like, yo, check it out. I'm having sex right now. And I'm like telling all my friends and shit. They're like, what the fuck? But yeah, I mean, that's not like that bad. Like seeing, seeing like a little nudie magazine when you're grown up, you're grown up like, but now it's fucking deep, man. Like I remember one of the first times I like was on the internet watching like 2006, 2007

Starting point is 00:44:46 where like, I didn't even know where to go and I'm in like Yahoo, like just typing shit and like some chicks like going down on this guy and then she like pukes all over his dick and I'm like scarred and I'm like, oh my God, like that is some shit. People don't need to be exposed. It's like a golden corral advertising. And now that's my fetish, but it's like, it's, it's just a weird thing. Yeah. It's overexposure, man.

Starting point is 00:45:07 And it, but the harm it does to us, I think that's the things we don't know. It's like that harm. It used to be you would take all those feelings and you put them to work. Every time you saw your spouse, you fantasize about them. And if you're open, if you're open, you're like, hey, what's up, you're trying to wear this maid outfit and pretend, you know, XYZ, like it's just to have those fantasies, you know? And my wife, she's, she's super open.

Starting point is 00:45:28 Her fucking dad's probably watching this right now, so I'm not going to get too deep into it. But if you know what I mean, but no, she, she's my wife, man, she's, she's incredible. You know what I mean? She, she really satisfies me. And that's another thing when I think like all through my twenties, I was just like jerking off watching porn just because it was just kind of a thing to do. Not a lot, not crazy.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Like I never had an addiction, nothing like that. You know, and I've known some, some, some dudes who have and have beaten that, which I think is great. But I'm just like, for what? I kind of, I'm almost like seeing it, like seeing it all. And now I want to just like not anymore and just focus on my personal sexual relationship with my wife. Not that I'm not or haven't, but just to eat even more.

Starting point is 00:46:06 I think porn has been so normalized in a way, which is not as I got as an adult, like to each their own, you know what I mean? But I just think this shit about making sure that minors can't aren't really so exposed to it. I think it is important. But also somebody's, it's almost like guns, you know, sure, you can have all the gun laws you want. XYZ.

Starting point is 00:46:30 I wonder what the comments are looking like right now. Anyway, you can have all these gun laws, whatever, but at the fucking end of the day, if somebody really, really wants to fucking get a gun and kill somebody, they're going to do it. And they can even make a gun. 3D print a fucking gun. And that's, but that's how I feel kind of about like porn where it's like, if an underage, you know, teenager who's older wants to see that, they're going to find a way to do it.

Starting point is 00:46:52 But if you make it more difficult, then I think you're exposing less people to something that can essentially traumatize them. You know, you ever heard of that show Euphoria? I met someone from it one time at a party. Well, they really talk about in an incredible way, how porn has just fucked with the youth thinking like, yeah, bitch, take this dick. Yeah. Like, oh, and it's like, that's really, I mean, it's a time and place, you know what

Starting point is 00:47:21 I'm saying? It's time and place for that. Oh yeah, it's definitely evening. But, you know, like your first time, isn't it? Yeah, you can't be like that. And then a girl thinks like all this crazy, and then here's the crazy part, you're not even connecting with the other person at all. Now you're almost performing actions that you've seen.

Starting point is 00:47:37 So then it's like the human connection, it's totally gone. It's like we're almost, it's become weird because with porn, you're almost start to, and with everything digital, you almost start to impersonate what you've seen. So now we've taken art in all forms, and some people will consider porn art, and that's fine. We've taken art, we've made art, and now we're watching the art we've made and reenacting that we don't, it's like we're, we're done. Yeah, all I know is like my first time having sex, I was like fucking Titanic.

Starting point is 00:48:09 Wow, really? I was like, I love you. Oh my God. Well, also I never experienced true love, like love, I don't really believe like, like I love my mom and my dad, but like, not like I love my son, not like I love my wife, you know what I mean? It sounds like that was a big change. Like once you had a family, kind of, because sometimes you hear that a family will solve

Starting point is 00:48:31 a lot of those old like wounds, because you suddenly have a thing that it's not about this behind you anymore, it's obviously about in front of you. And when you're loving your son, you kind of replenish that thing that you didn't get in a weird way. It's like. No, not even in a weird way. Wow. That is it.

Starting point is 00:48:47 That is it. And that's what's so crazy, like just the fact. Did you know it was going to be like that? No. Like were you scared to get into a marriage? Were you scared to have a child? Well, I wasn't scared to get into a marriage this time because I got it right the second time.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Oh, you did a first marriage? Yeah, I did a first marriage. Wow. That was hard. And that was just, it just wasn't my person. There was no, there was no like, no infidelity, no this, no that, it's just, and respectfully like I won't really get into it because that isn't my story to tell. And that's a story that I would happily tell you, you know, if you over dinner or hanging

Starting point is 00:49:17 out or whatever, but publicly, it's just, just wasn't my person, it wasn't right. So when I found my wife now, Brittany, it was just like, oh my God, like she, and she got it. The wildest shit, I felt like Leo, like I found the bitch when she was 19. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Jerry Leo Lewis, dude, bring up Jerry Lee Lewis. He was a pedophile, but he was respected.

Starting point is 00:49:37 Oh shit. What? I ain't even, what? That's not what I was gonna fucking tell him about. You know what I'm saying, dude? You're a musician. But I'm just saying he was, he married like a damn 12 year old. Oh no, he didn't.

Starting point is 00:49:48 Really? Yeah, Jerry Lee Lewis, boy. What the fuck? I mean, that kid is. That wasn't me. Anyway. No, you have a great wife. No, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:57 Did your wife just do a cameo in your new video? Yeah. I had a video where she popped in. I thought that was her, man. I watched. It was cool. Yeah. It's fun, bro.

Starting point is 00:50:05 That's a nice anthem. Thank you. It's been, it's been fun just being a dad and being a husband. And I also, that's one thing that I love about getting older, especially in hip hop, because hip hop is such a young genre, it turns 50 this year. And for me, I love talking about being a father. I love talking about aging, you know, because hip hop and what pop music in general is all about like just young, young, young, young, young, young, literally like 17, 18, 19, 20,

Starting point is 00:50:33 like all this shit. But it's like, bro, I'm fucking 33, man. You know what I mean? I'll be getting hemorrhoids and shit. Like I want to talk about like. Yeah, you're an adult. I want to talk about real stuff, you know, what it means to invest your money and be smart with it, which your average kid's like, I don't give a fuck.

Starting point is 00:50:45 Let's blow the money. Let's go to Vegas, baby. But it's just like, man, I've done that and I've had that and that's cool. But like, I just love this stage of where I am and you talk about looking forward in many ways. I definitely do look forward. But so much of my career, bro, you know, 10 years ago, it was always, I could never be present because I was just like, oh, fuck, I'm broke.

Starting point is 00:51:06 Like my roaches have fleas. Fuck. Like I have nothing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and so I wanted something. I wanted something. And so once you got a little more comfortable, it made things easier. Yeah, but I'm still thinking about the future because it's like, and this is when I started

Starting point is 00:51:19 to get therapy because we got to understand, bro, I remember, you know, I did, I did a deal one year. I made $30 million. I had a biggest panic attack on my basketball court flex. Really? Yeah. Because I was like, bro, so poor my whole life, EBT, man. I fucking ate cereal with powdered milk, bro.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Okay. Like I didn't have anything. Like I had nothing. I never had shit. So then when I finally got it, I like fucking freaked out about it. And then I started going to therapy and I was like, what do I do? What if I lose my money and the bitch laughed at me? I call it a bitch.

Starting point is 00:51:50 She's my therapist. She's amazing. She's all Australian. She could be a down ass bitch as well. She is a down ass bitch. No, but she's extra down because the bitch is Australian. So she's down under. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:58 You know what I'm saying? Anyway, so she said, she was like, first of all, you're not going to lose your money. You're not fucking idiot. She's like, look at you. You're making proper investments. You're, you know, you're taking care of yourself. She said, but if you did, what would you do? And I was like, I'd fucking grind my ass.

Starting point is 00:52:16 And she's like, exactly. You get it back. So number one. And I remember this is at a time when I was like going through a lot mentally, like a lot because I had to fucking win a hundred song out. You know what I mean? It's like the biggest thing in the world. And everywhere I go, it's like suicide and people are like, I tried to kill myself and

Starting point is 00:52:31 my brother tried to kill himself and my sister killed herself and just everywhere I'm going. It's like all this shit. Right. And there was a song that Anthem that he did that was about suicide prevention and just about kind of loving yourself a little bit of mental health. Yeah. Yeah. Mental health.

Starting point is 00:52:49 So go on. So yeah. So dealing with all that was like a lot. But for me, like I had turned down a million dollar show in Australia and I've always wanted to go to Australia and it was literally, it was a festival and I was going to headline the festival for 45 minutes, a million dollars and I turned it down and people could be like, oh, you're fucking crazy. I want to put a bullet in my head.

Starting point is 00:53:08 Right. Like I didn't give a fuck. And then so I remember talking to my therapist and being like, oh, you know, people are going to think I'm crazy. And she goes, what do you value? Do you value getting on a 22 hour flight in your mental state right now and going all the way to a country that you've never been, that you want to go to, but this isn't how you want to do that.

Starting point is 00:53:30 What do you value? I was like, I value resting and taking a fucking break. So I don't off myself and she said, then do that. And when discussing money and things with her, I remember she goes, she goes, listen, you're always stressing about money and you're a millionaire. She goes, you know, I see a few billionaires. You know what they tell me? I say, what?

Starting point is 00:53:49 She goes, they say, if only I had another billion and I'm like, yo, that's deep. I need to let this shit go. I made it. And so around this time, this is like 2018, around this time and then I fucking grinded for like another two years, but I realized, man, I was always looking that like so far, man. Like, you know, when I started rapping, I'm like, okay, I got to put out a mixtape, put out a mixtape.

Starting point is 00:54:14 Okay, I got to get fans. Get fans. Okay, I got to start touring. Start touring. Okay, I need a record deal. Get a record deal. Okay, I got to put out an album. Put out an album.

Starting point is 00:54:22 Okay, the second album can't flop. The second album does good. Okay, I need it. And then it's like, I got to go gold and then you go gold. Okay, I got to go platinum and then you go platinum. Motherfucker, I'm almost 10 times platinum on one fucking song. Like it's just the crazy, it never ends. And so once I made it, when my son came out the puss and I realized I was like, yo, fuck

Starting point is 00:54:40 everything else. I want to be as present as I can be. So like me being here with you today, it's why I did my research. You know what I mean? It's why I'm so happy and honored that you would let me on this show. I can't believe bro, I've been doing this shit for 10 years and people like you are, want to sit down with me. It's incredible.

Starting point is 00:55:00 So now every single day, of course I have goals, ambitions, things that, that I look forward to, but I do the best I can to truly just be like, wow, this is cool. And also like I'm not fucking dying of an illness, right? You know, like I have some gratitude to look at some of the positive for sure. Do you know how much your subscriptions cost? The other, the other day I realized I was spending an extra $29.99 a month on a service that I have two of. I didn't realize I had two of them.

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Starting point is 00:57:57 my house because my house was a war zone, man. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, motherfuckers. So traumatic. Yeah, cooking, crack, cooking, did it. So how can you be present? How can I be like, oh yeah, this is so sick. I am so broke.

Starting point is 00:58:07 Right. Yeah. And tight. Yeah. Exactly. So I was always looking ahead, you know what I mean? And then now I'm like, oh my God, my wife loves me, my son loves me, my fans love me. This is it.

Starting point is 00:58:20 I can really soak this moment up. Even right here. I'm not even joking. I'm not trying to sound extra, bro. This is so fucking cool. I've wanted to do your show for like a long time. Thanks dude. Yeah man.

Starting point is 00:58:30 There's a couple, there's a couple, couple shows I have when people that in just in general that I want to spend time with, you know, and I'm glad that we could do this. So thank you for having me. Oh, thanks man. So with those receptors being weird from growing up with not being able to like, because your receptors get closed down if people aren't loving you and that sort of thing, right? If things aren't proper, if things aren't comfortable, the receptors I think for accepting love and that sort of thing probably get kind of damaged as a child.

Starting point is 00:58:56 Are you able to feel that change once you had your own family? Once that, I mean, did, or has that also been like a work in progress? Cause that was a work in progress because my, I always was like, one day I'm going to have a family, one day I'm going to have a family and then I had my, my, the family that I do now and I realized, holy shit, you know, my best friends who were driving me to shows and are my best friends to this day, my producer who made all my beats. Like these were my family this whole time. As I met these people, like really blood is like, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:59:25 You think, like even think about this. Like, I know it sounds so stupid, but my wife's parents, first of all, I hit the jackpot. They're fucking stoners and we smoke joints together. It's amazing. Oh really? Yeah. They're the best. They're my family, but we're not related.

Starting point is 00:59:40 Like, isn't that weird to think? I mean, I'm not even being funny. I'm just saying like, there's no, we don't have the same blood, right? But my son is like, that's my grandparents and that's my mom and that's my dad. Like even the premise of like a mother and a father, like a husband and wife, like obviously I know this sounds stupid. I'm sending you, I'm giving you gold, but I'm saying like, they're not related. But like as a child, you look at, you're like, this is our family.

Starting point is 01:00:05 Like, it's so weird to process that these two people had a whole life before it fucked different people, all types, but they came together and it's just like, that's my parents, bro. I never had that shit. Right. I never had it. So then when I, you know, I meet my wife and then we have a baby and then I'm like, whoa, like this connection is a real thing.

Starting point is 01:00:25 And even the connection that I have like with other members of her family, like they really become my family and I'm like, whoa, that's weird because also, even though I'm very close with a lot of them, there's some that I'm not that close with, but I'm so close with my homies I came up with. So then I'm like, well, what is family? It's a weird thing. And I'm still trying to process it. That's the biggest thing I'm really enjoying about my thirties is the lack of like giving

Starting point is 01:00:51 a fuck about external shit and being able to really just like live my life. And they say that I feel more comfortable truly in my skin than ever before because I'll be, I'll do videos and I'll be all funny and stupid. Yeah. I know it's you being like kind of just becoming more of your personality, right? For sure. Than just a just a music or just seeing the person me, the part of your personality that does music.

Starting point is 01:01:14 I'm trying to be rap secrets, motherfucker. Like I want to be like, I could easily see that I'm going to be hip hop fucking Jimmy Fallon. Like that's what I want. I just, I don't know. And I'll still always make music, but this is it. Like I want to, you know, come back and do this shit. I want to go do other, other shows.

Starting point is 01:01:29 I want you to come fuck with me on my YouTube shit. Like I really just, I just want to make people laugh and have fun and educate along the way. Just like you're doing. This is really great, man. For you to be able to crack an incest joke one second and then talk about serious mental health. It's like dope, man. You walk this really fine line, which is you should be proud of yourself for sucking

Starting point is 01:01:48 this guy's dick right now. But it's true. Well, I can't help it, but, you know, try to stay, be alive and be, you know, do my best to just be myself. It's hard. A lot of times I'm kind of intrigued on what you like, since you were saying, if you didn't have a family and so you take somebody like that to go through your experience to be able to make, but then you do something, you make music and beats that bring people together,

Starting point is 01:02:11 which is interesting because it's so interesting that some, something that would somebody that didn't have something that brings, makes them feel together would then have the propensity almost like a mirror or flat or an inverse of it would be able to bring people together. It's really crazy. All that work. It's the craziest part is, is like, you know, I'm very, I'm very known for, you know, like I said, my positive lyrics, like uplifting the lyrics, letting people know like it's going to be all right.

Starting point is 01:02:38 Keep persevering. Keep fighting no matter what you're going through. But when I first was writing lyrics like that, it was to me. So because I didn't have anybody there. I didn't have family. I didn't have friends really to articulate and be like, oh, you, you're okay. Like you'll get through it. Like when my mom's half naked and all fucking bleeding into cops are coming and dragging

Starting point is 01:02:55 a bitch down the stairs and, you know, just, just a wild as shit is happening. Nobody was there to say that. So I'm writing these lyrics like, don't worry, whatever you're going through, you'll get through it. You know, don't worry, you know, whatever is troubling your mind in time, you're going to find it. It's all like, whatever. Like, and I would just get this and it would, it was just released.

Starting point is 01:03:14 And then over the years, like, and then once I kind of started popping and when I say popping and I really, I mean, fucking beyond underground, like internet days of Dat Piff and free mix tapes and YouTube and shit, like the beginning of Twitter. And I started to see people be like, man, this song really resonated with me. I was like, what the fuck? And that's another reason why I even created the 1-800 song because about suicide prevention is because so many people are like, well, your music saved my life. I'm like, what?

Starting point is 01:03:42 And they're like, no, for real, like, and then I did this tour for my second album where I got a tour bus and literally did a fan tour from California to New York, going to my fans' houses, eating dinner with them and their families, playing them my album early, and so many of them were saying, yo, your music saved my life. And they would go into detail about how and why. And then I was like, whoa, okay, this isn't just, whoa, this is crazy. And then that's when I decided to write the song 1-800 because I was like, if I selfishly was writing these records for me, and then they've affected you people to the point where,

Starting point is 01:04:19 what do you mean you people? Anyway, to the point where you feel like I legitimately have affected you, but I wasn't trying, what could happen if I tried? And that's what happened. And then Congress wrote me a letter and was like, it's fucking statistics have proven that your song has saved lives around the world as well. It's crazy shit. That had to be, what'd you do with the letter?

Starting point is 01:04:42 I got it. I'm trying to frame, I'm trying to frame it. I want to get it framed like a doctorate, like, you know, when you become a doctor and it's like on that like thick raised paper, I want that shit. That's one thing that gets hectic about like when your life gets busy is all the things you want to frame and haven't framed yet. It's like, I mean, I know it sounds crazy. That's one of the toughest things.

Starting point is 01:05:00 There's a pile of about four things at home that I want to frame and one day I will. I got a lot of pictures too with people like, I've been so blessed to meet so many people. And then I'll remember and I'll tell my assistant, I'm like, yo, find that picture of me and Stevie Wonder. Like for real or get to joining me and Kobe or a can you get the shit of the time I met Chapelle and he bought me a drink. Like I literally just all these Sarah Silverman, like, dude, I'm so lucky to like me, bro, we're going to take a picture after this.

Starting point is 01:05:26 I'm framing it. Where the fuck do you think it's going? Yeah, it's going to my house, bro. Do you. So being black and white is that it's got to be like the fucking coolest I feel like, but is it scary sometimes? And do you feel black and white or do you just feel one thing? Yeah, that's a good.

Starting point is 01:05:45 I feel like me. I know that sounds cliche. I just, I feel like me, but I do. Like if you walk past like a barbecue spot, do you feel like party you come to the edge of your skin? Yeah. You don't say, you know, some sales kind of scoot over to and if you walk past like a cop, do you feel those same cells that kind of move to the other side of the skin?

Starting point is 01:06:09 But the craziest part is like, because here's the fact, whether you fucking like logic or not, or whether you're like, whatever, it's like, I don't give a shit. I'm not here to argue because, you know, there's people who's like, well, you don't, you'll never understand what it's like to walk down the street as a black man. And I'm like, yo, all right, we want you to just shut the fuck up because you'll never understand what it's like to walk down the street as a black man and a white man's body in it. Like me shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 01:06:34 Why are we arguing? Yeah. You're like Mrs. Doubtfire. But that's what I'm saying. Why are we, why are we arguing in the first place? What you, what you're going through, I'm not denying what you're going through. Fuck all that shit. So for me, it's like, yeah, it's a, it's a crazy thing.

Starting point is 01:06:46 Like, yeah. And I love it. You know, motherfuckers used to always be like, oh, he talks about this all the time. I'm like, so the fuck what, man? I don't give a fuck. I'm proud. I like it. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:06:58 You look at motherfucking Twitter bio and there should be like black and proud motherfuckers. I'm birational. I'm proud. I definitely code switch a lot. You familiar with this term? Uh-uh. Code switching is like, if I was going into like a fucking interview or some shit, I'm like, well, hello there, sir.

Starting point is 01:07:10 Yes. I really like this job. I'd really appreciate that. Thank you so much. Oh, excuse me. I have one call. Nigga, what the fuck, man? You got my shit.

Starting point is 01:07:18 You know what I mean? So it's like, it is a part of you. It's almost like you kind of feel like two different people, but that's one thing in the culture as well. It's like anybody who's of the culture who meets me, IRL, some bullshit. Anybody who fucking really meets me shakes my hand. You know what's up? Because it's not a thing.

Starting point is 01:07:34 Why would it even be a thing? It's not a thing. It's only a thing on the internet. It's only a thing on the internet. Like, I've never met anybody and they're like, no, you're not, you're not. Because it's not a thing. It's not a thing. It's not a thing.

Starting point is 01:07:48 It's like, I definitely love to let people know who I am. So yeah, when I meet somebody, if they're like, tell me about yourself. First thing I had in my fucking mouth, black dad, white mom, da-da-da, grew up, broke. It's just, it's my fucking identity. There's no identity crisis. This is who the fuck I am. And I know who I am. Well, it's also, it's a responsibility in a weird way.

Starting point is 01:08:07 As you get older, it's like, you become this piece of an important time where people are discussing stuff and they want to know what things feel like. And they want to know, like, you know, and some people that don't know how to relate, like, I like always was envious, I always was envious of black kids growing up. Like I grew up in like a half and half neighborhood, right? And I was real envious of black kids because, I mean, this may sound crazy, but I like, they at least had an excuse for how people treated them and looked at them in a weird way.

Starting point is 01:08:41 And it's not an excuse, but I understand. They like, and then it was like, if you were poor and white, it was like, you just fucked up somehow. It was like, how, what the fuck, how did you fuck up? You know? Like you didn't. That's like the white privilege thing, which I agree with. I think white privilege is a fucking real thing.

Starting point is 01:08:57 And there's always more to it. Exactly. There's always so much more to it. It's like you're just talking in like a specific moment, but I always was like, man, I feel, it was because I felt sometimes a similar way that some of my black friends felt. Yeah. But because you guys are of, you're of the culture, bro. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:09:16 Culture to me, when I say of the culture, I'm not talking about skin color. I'm not talking about none of that shit. It's like, I grew up with Salvadorian kids and black kids and white kids and Asian homies and we were all from the same place. We talked the same, bro. There was white home. There was white people in our clique and it'd be like 14 black dudes, three white guys and in my biracial ass and all the white, the white boys would say naked.

Starting point is 01:09:40 They do. That's what they do. They would say it because the black dudes are like, hey, say that shit. Set you down. Like that's the internet is just spray painting on my legs. Sometimes I remember what and I was like, this is fucking what the fuck. I don't want it this bad, but yeah. It's a crazy thing, but that's what I mean of the culture is like, you understand that

Starting point is 01:10:01 plate of like, did you grow up poor? Yeah. Yeah. So then growing up broke and longing for things and then having that connection. So it's like, damn, I never had the PlayStation. I mean, I did like later, but I had like the, like when everybody was on like PS3 and shit, I finally got my PlayStation type shit. But that's, that's a big thing I think all this fighting on the internet of what is this

Starting point is 01:10:28 or that, because there's no like, there's no voice. There's no like ambassador of black people, like, do you know what I mean? Or white people or this or Asian people, like just cause one black dude or white guy or says something, it's like, they don't fucking speak for an entire race of people, let alone almost what you could consider like a denomination or just a group of people in a specific place. It's also like racism in America is so different from racism in Europe or this or that or that. Like, you know, people have their different experiences with it in ways that we could never understand.

Starting point is 01:11:01 Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I could never understand what it was like to be, what it's like to be something different than what I am. Of course. I could try in moments, you know, I think one thing that I envied about black, and it was mostly guys that I knew.

Starting point is 01:11:14 I didn't know a lot of black girls when I was a kid, but just their origin story. They had like a origin story, you know, it felt like they had like a history and a purpose and like. Sounds like we're talking about a fucking Marvel movie. What do you mean? But that's what it felt like. It was like, it was like, if, I don't know, black, it just felt like they had like a, they were coming from a place.

Starting point is 01:11:37 It was obvious that they were coming, like making, they had to make a comeback in a way. Oh yeah. No, no, no. The deck was stuck against them. That was it. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck, where is this going? 100%. I mean.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Right. So they had like a fucking like, they had like a thing that everybody knew that was obvious. And it was like, I think I always envied that a little bit. It was like, I feel so. Why? Why would you envy? Cause I feel some of these ways, but nobody knows it by looking at me. I get it.

Starting point is 01:12:09 But that's different. But once again, that isn't really so much of a race thing, like even though what you're talking about, yeah, that's like fucking 400 years of slavery and oppression and fuck it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like that's some deep shit. But what you're talking about is like the plight of man, bro. Like you came up with these people in your own way though, you definitely don't have

Starting point is 01:12:30 the same lineage or history that goes into a lot of emotion, confusion, need for education, you know, that black folk have about themselves and just, you know, whether it would be, you know, someone in Latin culture as well experiencing their own thing. So, but aren't you, what's your father? My father's from Nicaragua. Yeah. But I would get perceived mostly as white. But I mean, aren't you biracial?

Starting point is 01:12:57 Yeah. But I don't have a dual citizenship. You don't need a citizenship. Motherfucker, DNA. What you're talking about? DNA is your citizenship. Like you're. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:06 So you're mixed technically. Yeah. So was your father light-skinned? No. He was dark-skinned. Kind of. Welcome to the club. Shit.

Starting point is 01:13:14 What the fuck you mean? But that's what I mean. So you, but do you perceive yourself as white? No, people call us like, uh, my brother's real dark-skinned and people would call us like, uh, uh, like, uh, what do they call it, Puerto Ricans when I was growing up. That was like the big thing that everybody called. Let's call you out Puerto Rican. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:33 They didn't have any Mexicans back then. So for some reason people asked Puerto Rican. That's how I thought about Maryland. I was like, no Mexicans. There's just a bunch of Salvadorians. Yeah. And I was just eating papooses all the time. They're so fire.

Starting point is 01:13:41 But wait, we had a group called whites against Mexicans actually in our town for a little bit, but we didn't have any Mexicans. So it was just like, I think they kind of roughed up this Chinese kid once. Fuck the fuck. Okay. Wait a second. Hold on. So how do you perceive yourself or at least how did you growing up?

Starting point is 01:13:59 Did you perceive yourself? You see myself as white. Cause I think my dad was so old. I was so embarrassed of anything to do with him that I didn't want to know about it or learn about it. You know, I mean, my dad grew up in a village where people would eat dirt. They didn't have anything to eat and they would eat dirt and get sick and die all the time.

Starting point is 01:14:16 I remember him telling me stuff about that. But I didn't care. I think I rejected him so much in a weird way because he was so much older that it was every time he was around, even though I long to like kind of know him more. I think it was so embarrassing once I kind of became like of age where I knew what my friend looks on their face. Isn't that so annoying too? Like, no, but not even fuck those kids, but just you that you were so young and like it's

Starting point is 01:14:44 almost like imagine, not to, right, but if I could be me now, then I would accept all that and just talk about all the things that you could learn, but it's all good. You know what I mean? That's, that's, that's life and, and that, that's where you, uh, where you stood and you were a kid. It wasn't normal though. It's not like you were like some piece of shit. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:15:04 It's like, you know, you were just like dead. Like, you know what I mean? It was, right. It was normal. Yeah. It was like, dad, drop me off around the block. Like, don't, don't pull up. So I get that.

Starting point is 01:15:13 Um, they had, what was that? Did you see the thing they had? Zach, if you can pull it up, it was about, they just had some kids that got in trouble. They had a Salvadorian caretaker dealing thing I'm talking about in Miami. The second graders, it was a blackface incident that they had. What the what? Yeah. It was a two year, or what is it?

Starting point is 01:15:31 Two year olds? Yeah. So there's a Miami preschool is kind of getting some flack because they put two year olds in like blackface for black history month. What? At least they gave them jobs and shit though. I mean, damn. Yo, you're kidding.

Starting point is 01:15:45 No, but here's what happened. There's a Salvadorian. Can you find the people that run this preschool in Miami are from Argentina. So they don't know the culture here as much. Oh, I understand. So this was black history month. So they were just, so they had these kids and they, some of the white kids, they wanted them to be able to be black.

Starting point is 01:16:06 And so. And then you got these little innocent little kids that don't know what the fuck is going on. Well, the crazy thing is they blurred the kid's face out like, oh yeah, like that's going to make a difference. That makes it look even worse. I know. It makes it look even worse.

Starting point is 01:16:19 It looks like eight bit fucking, yo, that's, that's wild. Only blackface I've ever really personally experienced is this Rolex I got. Oh, gang. This shit is dope. Yeah. It's actually in Japanese kanji too, which is, which is a vibe. Is that all? Let me see.

Starting point is 01:16:35 It's from Tokyo. Oh, dang. That's nice. And is that stone inside of it? What you mean? What's in the inside of it? Oh, you mean like what is the, what is it the black shit made out of? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:16:46 It might be onyx or something. I don't fucking know. Cause this show, yeah, cause well the, um, yeah, the blackface stuff comes from like menstrual shows they had like, I think it was like 200, 150 years ago. They had like shows where they wouldn't let black performers perform. So they made them, so they made white people. They had them put black stuff on their face, right? So I think that's where a lot of the, obviously the origins of people being against it, you

Starting point is 01:17:10 know, that it makes people feel uncomfortable. I just wonder if at a certain point, like if it's a two year old kid, what the fuck does he, you know, and it's like, yeah, but, but a two year old kid ain't applying blackface to himself. There's an adult doing that. Like let's just be real. No, you know what I'm saying with the first one, where does this kid have access to paint or shoe polish?

Starting point is 01:17:33 Like they was doing back in the day. Like where, like it's no, this is, this is an adult. Now this specific thing, it's like, oh, okay. They were, it was like a Latin situation. They didn't know like it is what it is. You know what I mean? But besides that. Do you think there will ever be a time where it's like, say a kid who loves, you know,

Starting point is 01:17:51 Derek Rose is his favorite athlete. He's an eight year old. He can, he can put on makeup if he wants. He can darken up a little bit or urban out a little bit to go out trick or treating, you know what? Or he can like, urban out, I mean, he can get like urban out. I mean, I don't know about the urban out right now. Yo, you got, where's the shoe polish?

Starting point is 01:18:12 That's urban out. What the fuck? I don't know. I'm just saying. Do you think? No, of course not. You can't fucking, what the fuck kind of shit is that? You can't do that shit, man.

Starting point is 01:18:20 Now it, the difference is though, it's like, if you're Robert Downey, Jr. I think that shit's hilarious. Like if you're, if you're a fucking actor, it's a gig, it's a gig, it's a bit, you know, you're fucking Chappelle. You're like, what? Like it's fucking, if this is what you do, you know what I mean? Cause I'm going to be real, bro. Like, like comedians, I feel like, I don't even, yep, there it is.

Starting point is 01:18:40 There it goes. Now don't get me wrong. That's the most racist shit ever. But that's why it's fucking hilarious. Let's just be real. Anybody who's watched Tropic Thunder, it's like, you got to understand they're actually making fun of the racism of Hollywood at the time by casting a white guy to play a black guy who's really another guy and a guy with another guy.

Starting point is 01:18:59 Yeah. Survive. Survive. Like, and that's just like, man, when I was 18 years old and I watched that, I was like, this is fucking hilarious. Right. But it's, I believe that the shit was done right. It was tasteful.

Starting point is 01:19:11 It was this, it was, it was, I mean, even when there's a moment in the movie when he's like, a white character is talking to him as he's in blackface. And he's like, something, something, you people, and he's like, what do you mean, you people? And then the, and then the black homies, the actor, he's like, what the fuck, you mean, you people? That's funny, bro. That's funny. And so question for you as a comedian, like, where do we draw the line?

Starting point is 01:19:34 Cause I feel like shit's easing up a bit. And I think, I think with the, I know we all know where it started. Harvey Weinstein, Me Too movement, cancel culture, like it became this crazy, almost overcorrection, but I'm happy it happened. Just because like, there's a lot of shit pieces of shit in the industry that were getting away with a lot of stuff. Now there's a big difference between like, I made a little mistake or whatever. And then just like straight up rape and things like that.

Starting point is 01:20:00 So it was, I think it was really good that that happened, but then yeah, a hundred percent. It was, it was incredible that these women were given a voice and given power and, and you know, taking back power that was essentially stripped from them, which is disgusting. And that's something I've dealt, uh, seen the women in my life deal with personally. So I got that now fast forward, you know, a couple of years that I, and then you just making jokes and shit. Like I saw this one girl, they was trying to cancel this girl in high school. I was watching it.

Starting point is 01:20:26 You know, H3H3 ever? Yeah. It's like, yeah, Ethan. So like Ethan did this, not bit, but you know, you know, and he did this thing where he's talking about this. This is a little white girl who's wearing a like a kimono prom dress. And then everybody's like, that's cultural appropriation. Like this girl's not allowed to wear a kimono.

Starting point is 01:20:44 She's not Japanese. Like all the shit. Right. And I was just like, God damn, this is fucking crazy. Cause I'm like wearing a, I'm like wearing a fucking kimono, watching this shit. Cause I, cause I went to Japan and I'm fucking doing an album in Japan and I'm like wearing my shit. You know, I think I'm turning Japanese.

Starting point is 01:20:59 Like I'm fucking vibing it over there and I'm supporting the economy. I'm buying, it's a fucking little Japanese woman who's like, you know, have the domine kato kazai mustai. Have this. Thank you very much. And I'm like, oh, that's dope. Does that mean I'm culturally apart? Right.

Starting point is 01:21:12 Like, I don't know. Now this is a hot take, but I'm just simply saying that's kind of crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like she, it wasn't like she was like straight traditional, even, even then though, but it was just like, she was just like wearing a cute little, a little thing. And they was just trying to destroy this, this girl. So as a comedian, how do you feel when people be really like, did you see what happened to

Starting point is 01:21:35 Troy Bond? You know who Troy Bond is? Uh-uh. Bring him up. Yo, you don't know Troy Bond? Troy Bond? Well, first of all, Troy Bond is the future of comedy. Is he really?

Starting point is 01:21:44 This kid. Yeah. I can see the same effort. Co-tweet this motherfucker. He's on, he's on TikTok. He's incredible. And if you go to it, you might be able to see it here at least. Troy Bond.

Starting point is 01:21:54 If you go to his. Yeah. Keep scrolling down. You shit. Oh, fuck. I feel like I met him before. He's a gay gentleman. No, he's not gay.

Starting point is 01:22:02 But he does refer to himself as a Puerto Rican lesbian, but he's actually black and white. He made a joke about how he looks like, looks like that. He looks like that killer, remember? Who? Jeffrey Dunne? Ronnie Rodriguez or whatever. Oh, the fucking. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:19 What was that guy? The guy? The fucking. You talking about the dude? Oh, Zodiac? No, not the Zodiac. The fucking. I think it's Ronnie Rodriguez.

Starting point is 01:22:27 How do we go from Troy Bond to Ronnie Rodriguez? Dude, somebody's got to kill. Bro, I'll tell you this. They are. What the fuck? No, that's not. You're thinking. No.

Starting point is 01:22:35 Ramirez. Ramirez. Ronnie Ramirez. You're thinking of Ramirez, the fucking whatever. The Zodiac salesman or whatever. But listen, so if you, I don't know if you have TikTok up there, if you can go to TikTok or if somebody can try to get you this clip, because I think it's really important that you show it on the show.

Starting point is 01:22:47 I'll see it. And the reason is, is because, so he's black and white, but I'm going to be honest, he looks like he could, he could be white or something else or, you know, he's kind of, like yourself, like. Ambiguous. Yeah. And so he's doing this, this great set. We'll find it.

Starting point is 01:23:06 We'll find it. And this girl screams at him and she's like, that's so fucking racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she doesn't even know that he's, that he's mixed. You get a lot of that in clubs these days. So I'm just like, why the fuck would you go to the club, to a comedy show? You see the bill, you know, pretty much who's going to be there that night, who's got time. You know, I've only ever been to a comedy club once.

Starting point is 01:23:30 We'll talk about that in a bit. But what is that like for you? Well, I think this is what's happened. I think this is what's happened. I think you have, I don't think you have as much racism in the world as you did 25 years ago. I really don't. I think what you have these days, you have a lot of division that happens from people's

Starting point is 01:23:50 like online. You have a lot of people that have marketed the past and it's great to be reminded by the past, undeniably, right? We still have a lot of recovering to do from the past. I think some cultures, even genetically, they have to work. It will take time for their DNA to heal from traumas of the past, no doubt. But I think now you get a lot of the past marketed, like packaged into clips in the like movies where you're constantly reminded of, of like the fucked up things of the past

Starting point is 01:24:25 to the point where some people that just becomes their identity now. So they don't have any real like human connection to it. They just have this sort of like, it's almost like, I don't want to say it's an educational connection, but it's just like, oh, I see this, that's racist. There's no, I don't have any texture to it. There's no like history to it for me. It's just something that I see now online and I know that that's supposed to be. What's also crazy to me is the, is the hit when there is history ties.

Starting point is 01:24:53 So for example, I wrote this movie script a couple of years ago called Jerry about a homeless comedian who tells jokes on Venice for a dollar. And one night he's, he's telling stand up jokes, all types of jokes. He's telling black jokes, white jokes, gay jokes. It's just being funny. He's being himself. Okay, Jerry. And he makes a joke about, I forget it now, but it's something along the lines of like,

Starting point is 01:25:14 oh man, could you imagine if like a South Central blood had leukemia? He would be like the illest blood of all time because it's a blood condition anyway. It's a lot funnier with the way that I wrote it. And in this, in the, in the crowd, in the crowd, this woman who was laughing hysterically stops and starts heckling the man, heckling the man, heckling the man. And then she's just like, how could you possibly say that? And he doesn't even argue with her. And his manager, Mike, which is the character I'd like to play, is like, dude, why didn't

Starting point is 01:25:50 she say anything to that woman? And he goes, you know, a lot of people tend to be hypocrites. She's a white middle-aged white lady. She wants to laugh at black jokes. She wants to, she's straight. She wants to laugh at gay jokes. He's like, it's very apparent. It's either her, her mom, her dad.

Starting point is 01:26:05 Somebody died of a blood disease, bro. It was this, that. And it was just really cool because I've taken my own experience when writing that about what triggers people and what I've seen trigger people. And I just think it's really kind of annoying that people like to pick and choose. Don't get me wrong. You know, it's like, it's almost like if somebody was to make a Parkinson's joke. You know, I actually, I made, I made a joke.

Starting point is 01:26:29 I had a, my, my, you don't know Parkinson's. I don't, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you something. It's actually wild. So a gentleman named Chewy does all my tattoos. I met him through travel. I saw him on your Instagram. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:43 Yeah. And so he asked me to give him a tattoo. He did that Metal Gear Solid when it took about six to seven hours. Exactly. He spent his time. Yeah, you spent your time. You care. You just looked at it.

Starting point is 01:26:51 That was a cool one actually. It reminded me of that game too. Go on. Thank you. I love that game. Oh, I want you to give me Wu-Tang tattoo. And this was like five years ago. And I jokingly, I'm like, y'all don't want to see that shit.

Starting point is 01:27:01 It looks like Michael J. Fox did it because it's all squiggly. Oh yeah. Bad off. But I go, I go, don't worry. I can make that joke. It's kind of like saying the N word and I was like, because I'm black. And I said, because I have dystonia. So dystonia, I have cervical dystonia.

Starting point is 01:27:17 I don't have a cervix. Cervical is a, it's your neck and basically my head shakes like this. Really? Yeah. It goes like this. It's like, it's crazy. And so, um, I have to go get Botox injections in my neck. No.

Starting point is 01:27:33 Yeah. Deep in my neck. It's why my neck is like such a young, bad bitch. No. They go deep in there. It's why Botox was invented. And so they go all the way into weakening the muscle because my muscle, I know, bro, it's fucking crap.

Starting point is 01:27:44 You have to put you down when you do it. No. I do it. I do it every three months. I'm supposed to, like my shit right now. You're running behind, huh? Yeah. It's shaking a little bit now.

Starting point is 01:27:52 So I got to do it. You need to get over there. But what I'm saying is, is like, bro, people die of Parkinson's disease. You know, Ryan Reynolds' father passed away. Like he had to experience it. So it's like, when I make a joke like that, um, I think it's really how it's just, it's just how you do it. Like that's a man's pain, bro.

Starting point is 01:28:08 You know what I mean? We all love Michael J. Fox. It's fucking Michael's midfly. Man, it's Marty. Like we love Michael J. Fox. I love Michael J. Fox. And in no way would I ever try to hurt somebody this or that. That's honestly my pain.

Starting point is 01:28:21 Just like me, like the fact that if I didn't have these shots of me right now, or even my thumbs, my thumbs fucking shake, like these things that are insecure and that give me emotional pain and sometimes physical pain. And in a way, I used comedy in that moment to like cope and with a man that I can relate to, to some degree, not to that degree, obviously. And I just think it's kind of crazy that if you're a good comedian, no, if you're a fucking great comedian, you use pain and you use trauma such as Chappelle and your prior and so many great people to talk about the hard things.

Starting point is 01:28:58 And so I think I love Chappelle because no matter what your motherfuckers got hot takes like I did it. I love great comedians because they will shit on black people, white people, Asian people, straight people, gay people, Chinese, every, and they have us all laughing with and at each other. Like it's fun. It used to be like that, bro. I mean, it is with cats like you and who step out and they're like, fuck that and you

Starting point is 01:29:21 say what you want. Cause like the thing is, is like, I love Chappelle and I feel like the motherfuckers like damn near uncancellable. I used to think Kanye was uncancellable. I really believed it until Kanye and I love Kanye. You know, it's just like, yo, he's mentally, he's ill, you know? And it's like, I literally was like, there's nothing, he was wearing a white lives matter t-shirts.

Starting point is 01:29:42 I'm like, there's nothing Kanye West can do and snorkeling. He did pictures him snorkeling. He did the two things that you don't do. One of two, one of two. He didn't do the two things. He did one of two things that you don't do that could get you canceled. Sex shit that you shouldn't be doing, whether it's underage or this and that. He did that?

Starting point is 01:30:03 No. He didn't do that. Oh. I said one of two. So don't mis-fucking quote me now. Okay. Or fucking be races. And he's, but he was racing against Jews.

Starting point is 01:30:12 That's what really got him canceled. No, I know a hundred percent, but I'm still saying, he tried every other race to be racing against I feel like. Yeah. But I'm just, and it didn't take. No, no, no, no, no. I think the one, there is something to be said about, yeah, it's just like, bro, that's a group of people just in general that are fucking, they are killing in Hollywood.

Starting point is 01:30:29 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a real, in a great way, cool, whatever, fuck it, good for them. But like, why would you say not even that, take that shit out of it, right? Bro, you talking about, you know, Hitler was kind of cool. Right. And there's something, he got addicted to something about pushing buttons. I think that's what it was. Yes.

Starting point is 01:30:48 I agree. I mean, from the hat to all this other shit. And it's like, whatever, man, it's cool. But I just, that was a sad thing. That was like such a hard thing to see because I'm just like, man, that's the one thing. Like legitimate, like hate, like hate, hate speech, hate this, hate that. It's like, bro, you could have pretty much said anything, but you get your back Hitler. You can't do that.

Starting point is 01:31:06 Yeah. You can't back Hitler, dude. I mean, even if he, you know, ever, you know, yeah, you cannot do it. It's Hitler. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's Hitler. It's like, there's like four guys. You can't back Hitler, Satan, Weinstein, I think.

Starting point is 01:31:21 Yeah. Yeah. Definitely, definitely that. And I don't know who else. Maybe that Wiley Coyote guy, whichever one's the bad one on that. I love it. But yeah, I think that that was crazy. But here's one thing that happened with the Coyote thing that also got weird is like,

Starting point is 01:31:35 if he's mentally unwell, right, do you think he's mentally unwell? Yes. Right. So at a certain point. I don't think he's fucking, I don't think he's crazy. Right. He may be mad. He may have some different issues.

Starting point is 01:31:45 I think, yeah. I think he's bipolar and I think he's, but he's mentally unwell. I don't think he's like, fuck crazy. Like I'm not writing my man off. I love this dude. He's changed my life. Yeah. I never even met him.

Starting point is 01:31:55 You know, so anyway, please, I just want to make that very clear. Like I'm not hot take just trying to use Kanye's name for the fucking Tik Tok. Oh, I think, yeah, I wish Rihanna would have brought him out at halftime. I think that would have been awesome. That would be crazy. Wouldn't it have? Yeah. But you know, her folks were like, mm-mm.

Starting point is 01:32:08 Yeah. Is that where he really needs to be right now on stage in front of the entire world? Right. But that's exactly goes into my point I was going to make is that or that I was going to bring up is that at what point should the media stop putting some dude out there? If they know he's mentally unwell, the same media that has run an advertisements for like people are mentally unwell, get help, get help. And then they're taking somebody, even if that guy's making a clown of himself, right?

Starting point is 01:32:35 If you know in your heart that party him is not well and you continue to publicize him every day, every moment, everything he says, like that's kind of sick. It is. But that's our culture. That's what we live in, man. You know, we love to see, I've even had it at a different scale of course, but like just my rise, like I was the underground underdog, everybody wants that fucking underdog to win. And then when they win, it's like, oh, he's killing it, killing it, but like they want

Starting point is 01:33:04 you to fall. Yeah. They really do. It's like a movie. It only works like that. Yeah. And I've fallen, but it's almost like perception. Like, have I really fallen?

Starting point is 01:33:12 Like, I'm fucking, I've made good investments monetarily. You have a family. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, but there is a thing where it's like, oh, he's wack now. You know, and it's like, oh, Logic's wack. And then you drop another album and they're like, Logic's back. Logic's wack. Logic's back.

Starting point is 01:33:27 And then I'm just, and this is where I finally found this place where I'm like, I give a fuck. Logic's rich and happy. Like that, that's all that matters. I could talk to you all day and I want to talk to you all day. I got to pee. All right. Let's pee and we'll come back in and do another half hour.

Starting point is 01:33:42 All right. Oh man. Yo, how about pee drips? Oh fuck. I feel like. I used to shake it. I don't want any more. I keep it.

Starting point is 01:33:50 I just let it go right into the pan. Nah, man. I got to shake it a little bit. But yeah. You're right. You're right. It's just annoying, but whatever. Pee drips.

Starting point is 01:33:58 It's like, anyway, I, how much do you sleep? Are you able to sleep fully through the night or you got to get up and pee? Well. Oh, I pee. I get up every night. 100%. Wow. Every night.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Yeah. Because I'm hydrated. Like I love, I drink a lot of water. And I used to, I mean, I'm at the tail end of college. Well, I never went to college, but I also, I. Then that's the total attitude of someone who never went to college. I just. Come at the tail end.

Starting point is 01:34:22 I just mean like drinking. What the fuck? I've never heard that statement in my life. Alcohol wise. 33 is like, I'm at the tail end of college, bro. Like belt time, bro. Yeah, I never drank really or smoke. Really?

Starting point is 01:34:35 Yeah. My whole life until I was like 27, 28. What? So was that because your parents were addicts, you think? 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Without, without doubt.

Starting point is 01:34:45 Wow. And then cause I was like, I can't let this fuck me up. Like literally my friends would be like, man, just hit the weed. I actually just released a video yesterday about this. It's like an anime that is kind of a part of a trailer for this album college park that's dropping. And anyway. So I was just so scared that it would affect that.

Starting point is 01:35:01 And then when I made that 30 million, I was like, well, I did it. Let's do coke. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. No, I was like, I did it. Okay, cool. And then I just, I started to enjoy all, I don't do anything hard and I don't judge anybody does, but I do, I just, I love scotch and I love, I love weed.

Starting point is 01:35:18 And I just started doing that. And then I did it pretty, pretty good. And then like 2020, like through COVID, I was getting fucking wrecked. Really? Yeah. Like I was getting the baby and whatever, but I was like just hung over all the time for like two years. I was like perpetually hung over because I never did it.

Starting point is 01:35:34 I never, I never did it. I finally did it, but it wasn't like, bro, I actually have a song in this album, you know, and I go, you know, I wake up seven days a week and get the job done. You know, I'm always there for my wife and my son, but at the end of the day, I love to pour one more like two, but occasionally three. And it scares me not because I have a problem. I'm the type of person. If there's an issue, then I'm going to solve them.

Starting point is 01:35:52 It's more like seeing how this shit has destroyed life. I look at my mom. I look at my dad. It's just, it's, it's a, it's a crazy thing, man. So I saw that. Um, and I, I do, I get, I get the job done. I did my thing, but now I'm just, I'm at the tail end of it. Cause I, yeah, I just, and I say this to say like my whole sleep schedule has changed cause

Starting point is 01:36:11 it just as a musician, I used to be up till 5 30 in the morning, wake up at 1 PM. I was in bed with my wife the other day and it was two. And I was like, dude, if this was two years ago, it'd be 11 PM for me right now. It was two, it's, it was 2 PM in the afternoon. And so yeah. When you made the 30 million, what was it? They bought your catalog? No, that was a deal that I did.

Starting point is 01:36:33 I did a long-term. A touring deal? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And on top of that, I re-upped with my deft jam, with deft jam cause now I'm independent, but I re-up with deft jam and they gave me some nice M's as well. And it was all like within a week of each other.

Starting point is 01:36:47 Oh. Yeah. Which is crazy. Did you get one eight ball even? No. Really? I've never done anything hard. My God, boy, I'll fucking do it for you.

Starting point is 01:36:57 All right. I will. If you need somebody to just tag me in, dude. So wait, are you sober? Yeah. I got 10 months right now. Wow. Is it hard?

Starting point is 01:37:08 What's hard for me is if I think about women sometimes, that's my trigger. It's women, it's affection. That's my trigger. That would make me do drugs. And I don't drink because I'm afraid I might, I would buy cocaine. I don't have a drinking problem. I don't even like drinking. I don't like peeing that much.

Starting point is 01:37:24 I don't. It's so dumb. Oh my God. I like how it feels a little bit because it feels almost kind of like, not homoerotic, but I feel like it's like, it almost feels like kind of like pervy, like you're making your own weather and it feels like you're touching your wiener at the same time or whatever. Right. But I don't think it like, I don't like, it doesn't, it's bores me after a while.

Starting point is 01:37:47 It's like, I don't want to be doing this. I would rather do something else that I haven't done before. Honestly, that's how I feel because I quit. I smoked cigarettes since I was 11. And I smoked cigarettes. What? Yeah. I smoked cigarettes from 11.

Starting point is 01:37:58 That's the Baltimore National Anthem, isn't it? Smoking fucking cigarettes since you're 11. New ports. New ports at that. Dude, I would smoke cigarettes with my mom. My glass long Bobby over here. I would smoke cigarettes with my mother. I remember when I was, I was 11 years old and I was like, I'll never forget this.

Starting point is 01:38:12 I was watching Fresh Prince and I'm sitting on the carpet. Dusty ass carpet, there's two roaches fucking each other. My mom's in the, in the kitchen making, you know, baloney and shit. And I'm like, mom, I got to tell you something. She's like, what? And I'm like, you're not going to like it. And she's like, oh my God, did you get someone pregnant? And I'm shooting ghost loads.

Starting point is 01:38:32 I'm 11. It's like, no. And I'm like, no. And she's like, did you, are you in trouble with the police? And I was like, no, she was like, are you doing drugs? I'm like, no. And she's like, oh my God. What's next?

Starting point is 01:38:47 Are you smoking cigarettes? And I'm like, bitch, you smoke. What the fuck? So she's like, yeah. And then a week later, like, and what she didn't know. And I told her this, I was like, bitch, for like the last like year. As we've been walking to the bus stop, I just, you flick your shit. And I just grabbed it.

Starting point is 01:39:02 Yeah. And then we would smoke together. Anyway, so I did that for a great scene in a movie or something. You're seeing a young kid walk his mouth. She's not even paying attention to him. She's in her own world. She's like, what the fuck? And grabs it.

Starting point is 01:39:14 He just continues talking to her. I should put that in something. Yeah. So I smoked till I was 25. And then I quit for three years. Like a secondhand son, you know? Secondhand son. And then I quit last year because I then did the vape.

Starting point is 01:39:26 And you were smoking real sick when you got into vapes, huh? I got into a vape. So I quit at 25 for three years. And then at 28, I got into vapes because of my buddy Shwai fucking asshole. And then, and then last year I went on tour with Wiz Khalifa. And I was like, I can't fucking be smoking. I got to stop. So I did it cold turkey and bro, I was like sweating bullets.

Starting point is 01:39:46 Yeah. And fucking like jolting out of bed, like jolting out of sleep. It was crazy. But it's like destroyed my anxiety. Like all that nicotine, I didn't realize how much anxiety it was giving me that. And then on top of fucking being hungover. And then so once I just really kicked back on the, on the alcohol, stopped the nicotine and just smoked a hell of a lot more weed.

Starting point is 01:40:05 I just feel great. I fucking ran two miles today before I got here. Nice dude. I just been, yeah. I did some yoga before I came today. Vibe. I need to stretch. But I do think that, yeah, that nicotine is so bad,

Starting point is 01:40:15 but the hardest thing I've been having to do is quit vaping. This is why I brought this up was because we, you were talking about if you get drunk, you might want to do an A-ball or something like that. Because it's like, ah, that those inhibitions kind of go out and you're like, fuck it. Let's go. That's how I feel.

Starting point is 01:40:29 I was in the studio last night and I was like, man, I kind of want to, I kind of want a cigarette. Like my friends are smoking cigarettes and everybody's vaping, my fucking new assistant, Jayden. He's just like- He's vaping? He's fucking vaping and shit. I'm like-

Starting point is 01:40:41 Oh, he's tired. No, no. But I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck? And I stayed strong. Yeah. Because I remember the feeling of like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like this shit sucks.

Starting point is 01:40:52 You know, you just, whether it's cigarettes or vaping, and you just do it and do it and do it. And then it's really just like, ugh, like I'm not getting that hit anymore, that thing. Yeah. I'm just doing, it's almost like I'm a fucking robot or something. The saddest thing for me to think about is when I leave here today, what choice am I going to make?

Starting point is 01:41:09 Am I going to get in my car and stop at the vape shop? They don't even sell the ones I like anymore. So now I'm down to doing some like third string vape, some fucking, you know, it's like, this vape would never start for any team, you know. And I'm going to, but am I going to go buy that, you know, and get like muffin ice or some fucking shit?

Starting point is 01:41:30 I'd almost rather smoke a cigarette. Yeah. Because I'm going to hit it two times. What I'm going to do is I'm going to feel so bad about myself. How about when the juice is just like, you ever get the juice where it's like in your mouth and shit and it's gross? Yeah. Did you ever jewel?

Starting point is 01:41:42 No, I don't jewel. Oh, that was my shit. I used to fucking just jewel that shit. Yeah. Jewel is gross. No, jeweling was just fucking like crack, man. So good. I never smoke crack.

Starting point is 01:41:52 I never smoke crack. You didn't? Well, I mean, I'm a crack baby. Was one of your parents on crack when you were conceived, you think? Yeah, I told you that. They met at a crack house, Theo. That's cool, dude. I met a girl at a subway once, but not the same, but we both had a fucking little bit

Starting point is 01:42:09 of sandwich in us and she gave me a beach. You know? Yeah, right. What about a beach? Did you ever see any crack around the house or no? Yeah, of course, bro. Really? Yeah, one of my...

Starting point is 01:42:22 Wow. Yeah, my sister's brother, my sister's boyfriend at the time showed me how to cook crack in the house. What do you do? Like, how do you make a good crack? I'm gonna be honest, bro. This was like 10 years ago. It was one time.

Starting point is 01:42:34 He just had this shit on the stove. He had the actual... He had the Coke and he fucking mixed it with some shit and some fucking baking powder and put it on the thing. He was like, okay, now grab the fucking... It was like in a... In a mason jar. He's like, okay, grab that shit.

Starting point is 01:42:47 And he like gave me these like mittens and I put the mittens on. He's like, now pour it and do all this fucking shit. Wow. And meanwhile, we're not wearing masks or anything. And this fucking... Yeah, we're not wearing masks. You're in a crack house, dude. This is an MIT, bro.

Starting point is 01:43:03 Yeah. And then it's like billowing upstairs through the vents where there's like little children sleeping. Yeah, I'd be up there sleeping with them. Yeah. Not with them, but I'd be in a crib up there for sure, dude. God, that's gotta be nice. I never got to smoke crack, man.

Starting point is 01:43:21 I always wanted to. Isn't that crazy? I always wanted to fuck. What do you mean you never got to? You sound like me talking about the Grammys. I got nominated, I went there, I fucking lost to Bruno Mars. I never did it, but I like really wanted it. What the fuck?

Starting point is 01:43:35 What? I feel like that would, yeah, I would, you know, you always just imagine the fucking flame hitting around that rock and you being on the receiving end of it. It's like Leo in a fucking Wolf of Wall Street. You ever see that? He's like, yo, smoke this crack with me. He's like, all right, fuck it. And they do it.

Starting point is 01:43:51 That's what it's like. Bro, I've seen my dad. I remember one of my, when my dad was 18. And now he claims that since then he hasn't smoked crack. Okay. But I know he's definitely had some good, some good years where he's been, he was clean. He's clean. I don't fucking know.

Starting point is 01:44:08 Whatever. I still got a Texas motherfucker back. I got him on red. Is it weird not to communicate with him much? Let's see what he's, let's see what the last thing he said. Is it, I mean, yeah. Do you really feel like a connection to him or do you have to create a connection with him?

Starting point is 01:44:22 Whoa. This motherfucker just sent me the craziest picture of my. That y'all's family? I think so. Oh my God. He just sent this to me with no fucking context. Yeah. Whoa.

Starting point is 01:44:35 What the fuck? Anyway. Oh my God. Is he your grandfather? No. I think that's my fucking dad right there. That really light-skinned motherfucker. Light-skinned looking motherfucker right there.

Starting point is 01:44:46 At the top? On the left? You all lashed out with that, with the Afro? Let me see that shit. Dang, dude. That looks like a wolf on the bottom, right? He does. Wow, dude.

Starting point is 01:44:56 That's crazy. Let me, I'm going to text him right now and be like, what the fuck picture is this? Who is this? Picture. It looks like the Jackson sevens. Yeah. So. That's crazy, dude.

Starting point is 01:45:08 I wish half my family was fucking black, though. It's dope. It's a vibe. I really love it. Yeah. Because it would seem like, man, let's see what's going on in here. Yeah. Culturally, it's really cool, man.

Starting point is 01:45:17 It's like, I love, I love being black. I'm going to be real. Dude, I remember we'd go to black funerals, dawg. God. It was just fucking crazy. You should be jumping. Oh. It sucks and it's hard and they have to wear it.

Starting point is 01:45:29 Everybody's turning the fuck up. You're hugging some big black. I don't even fucking know. We're brothers crying and we're tits. Oh my God. Wait, what black funeral were you at? Just when I was growing up, a lot of people would die in our area and they were black. And so we go to the funerals and it was just sad, you know?

Starting point is 01:45:48 Like some kid shot himself in the head. Well, that's deep. I hope it was, you know, I'm assuming closed casket. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I don't remember. I mean, I'm sure it was. I didn't, I don't think at that age I went up there.

Starting point is 01:46:00 But the other kid, this other kid died on the bat playing basketball. What else? People were dying in our area. A decent amount. Question. Yeah. One kid got bit by a bat, I remember, and got some kind of encephalitis. You're fucking joking.

Starting point is 01:46:15 I swear to God. A kid got bit by a bat. Oh, yeah. Look up a bat disease. What is it? What is this? COVID? 20.

Starting point is 01:46:23 No, this was a, no, this was old school. COVID 20. This was bat to human direct. This wasn't this fucking roundabout through CNN. What is this? Rabies can spread. Okay. What?

Starting point is 01:46:32 So he died of rabies? Bats after minor. Looks like it's rabies. Yeah. Whatever they call it. But how did he not go get checked? Are we all there in the hood, right? Well, nobody was getting checked.

Starting point is 01:46:40 They didn't have fucking, you weren't getting checked then. There weren't, yeah. People would pray over him and somebody would, you know. Oh my God, don't get me fucking started on that shit. My mom, she was so like insane religious. Like, like she's so hypocritical. She's like, don't you take the Lord's name in vain? God damn it, motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:46:55 Like that's my mom, bro. I love your reactions. But, um, yeah, no, it's a, it was a, it was a weird thing to say. Do you miss the anarchy of that kind of stuff? Of course not. No, I'm not as fucking sick. You know, like sick people miss that shit. And I was, and I had to, I had to break that cycle.

Starting point is 01:47:14 Like, bro, there's times when my phone, like my phone's in another room and I'm just sitting somewhere and I'm alone, like I'm talking to my wife. I'm hanging with my baby. I'm on a call. I'm one of this. I'm one of that. And then everything stops.

Starting point is 01:47:27 And I'm like, because I'm, and I have to tell myself, I grew up in such chaos that I find peace boring. That's fucked up. Like that's deep. And I had to learn that. So when I think about like women, I would date and there would be like drama and you know, she's like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 01:47:50 You don't know me? Like what are you talking about? All this shit. And I'm like, yes bitch. Like I'm so used to that. Cause my mom, like man, I remember my mom through this fucking crazy. I was like, it was like a metal container for pens and it sliced my stepdad's fucking skull open in his brains.

Starting point is 01:48:06 And it was like the craziest shit. And then she got locked up and then I was living with him. But he wouldn't let me leave. And it was like the craziest shit. And then, oh man, he had like desert eagles. He'd be shooting at the cops. And he fucking would take me on as Harley Davidson. It's a crazy shit.

Starting point is 01:48:20 But between that and like fights and arguments, I mean, we had these fucking weirdos that were like the Manson family that like stayed with us. And then they ended up killing their baby. And it was just like the wildest shit. So as I got older, you know, when I'm meeting like, Hey, my name's Samantha. My parents are in law.

Starting point is 01:48:37 And I'm like, bitch, you're too boring for me. I need to stab me, bitch. Beat me up. You know what I mean? Get a fucking sword out of your car. Like that's what I felt I needed. And then I had to break that cycle and realize like, no, like that's just because of that's how you grew up.

Starting point is 01:48:51 But most people don't realize that. Like my sister, I won't say which one. She gonna be mad as fuck. I'm talking to my sister one day. And she's like, she's like, yeah, she's like, yeah, Bob, I'm seeing this guy. I think he's the one. I'm like, oh, worry for real.

Starting point is 01:49:06 You know, she got like a bunch of kids, all different baby daddies. And I'm like, okay. So he's the one. She's like, yeah, he treats me so good. I love him. And I'm like, that's dope. How'd y'all mean? She's like, well, actually I've known him since I was like 15.

Starting point is 01:49:19 I'm like, damn, he sounds like a good dude. He's treating you good. She's like, yeah, I'm like, what does he do? She's like, what? I'm like, what does he do for a living? What does he do? Oh, you know, he's. Bitch, what?

Starting point is 01:49:30 Speak up. What does he do? She's like, oh, you know, he's just in life for prison for murder. I'm like, bitch, what? Like for real, bro. For real. I'm like, wait, hold up. You found the one.

Starting point is 01:49:45 She's like, yeah, we're going to get married. He treats me so good. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Go to Starbucks, man. Why don't you get you a good man? You know what she says to me? She goes, I just love thug niggas. Damn, bro.

Starting point is 01:49:56 And I'm like, girl, I love you with all my heart, but she got to figure it out. Am I right? And I'm like, damn, that's so deep. And she bought, yeah, it's crazy. I love her though. She's, I mean. Sometimes you want to love something that can't love you, you know, if it's a thug, you know, I think if sometimes thugs, no matter what, I mean, no matter who they are, I wonder if

Starting point is 01:50:16 they have a tough time loving people, you know, like I wonder if that's what she means by that. But also women will be like, yeah, they want to murder her, bro. I'm telling you, women want to be fucking murdered, dog. And any woman that says she don't, man, I think she's on, she's on one. I'll just never understand. They love all the murder shows, you know. Oh, look at Tiffany got hacked up and they'll be texting their friend on that bitch, you

Starting point is 01:50:38 know, like, damn, bro, fucking RIP dog. Tiffany ain't even cold and y'all fucking jealous cause her husband fucking worked for Cutco or whatever. Oh my gosh. But it's crazy. People, they want that, they want a commitment from man, even if it's fucking. Yeah, but they also want to like, why, why bitches be wanting to change a man? Can we just talk about that?

Starting point is 01:50:59 A bitch want to change a man and she, she do it. You know, he'd be like, he'd be like whatever. And she's like, she could take a motherfucker and just change this about him. And she's like, if you want to be with me, you got to change this other thing too. And he's like, all right, girl. And he's trying to better himself. And she's like, are you going to have to change that too? And then a year goes by, he's a fucking brand new man.

Starting point is 01:51:17 And she's like, it's over. He's like, what bitch? She's like, you changed. Yeah, yeah. Am I right? Yeah. She's like, why you got a top hat on? You're like, Mr. Peanut.

Starting point is 01:51:28 Yeah, you fucking bought it for me. Oh man. How did you know when you met your wife that that was it, man? Was that hard? Was that a weird thing? It was definitely hard. You know what I'm saying? My shit was.

Starting point is 01:51:39 Cause you were wrong. I'm sure it was easy to date. Oh, I thought we was talking about my dick. Oh. Anyway, um, to a truth be told. Yeah. How did you know like this is the one? I found my wife, I walked into a store three days after I got separated from my previous

Starting point is 01:51:56 wife. And I saw this, this girl. And I thought, I thought she was like 24 or something. I was 28 at the time. She was 19. I didn't know this. And, uh, yeah. And we had a, she worked at a smoothie shop.

Starting point is 01:52:08 Oh God. I fucking love that. Bro. And she was crying and she's busting her ass. She's in college. She's doing all this other shit. And, um, yeah, man, she was really just super duper sweet. And I went back to the same smoothie shop every, every, every day for two weeks.

Starting point is 01:52:21 And she wasn't there. Oh. And I was like writing music about her like a fucking creep. And I was like, as just like was so inspired. Like, I don't know. She was just so beautiful. She was just breathtaking. So I go back every day in the morning and in the night in case which shift.

Starting point is 01:52:34 I don't know. And then I go, and I'm like befriending like all the, all the, there's just a bunch of bad bitches that work there. And they all think I'm coming to see them. And it's, and I'm like, I'm not coming to see y'all. It was like for real. And then like, yo, it's crazy. Like, and I remember the manager was this gay dude and he was leaving.

Starting point is 01:52:50 Oh, now he trying to smash. I bought him some chocolates because he was leaving. So I was like, I was just like, I'm going to be the nicest motherfucker. I mean, I am a nice guy, but I was, I'm the extra. So she's hearing about me and she was, and she, everybody thought I was there to see like a different bitch, but like, she didn't know. And then if she finally, bro, two weeks go by and I was like, all right, I'm giving up. I go there one night and she wasn't there.

Starting point is 01:53:12 And I was like, I got to take a piss. I go take a piss. I walk out and I go to pay for my shit. And I just hear, Hey, Bobby. And I turn around and it was this fucking angel. And I was like, Oh my God, this is it. And my heart was just beating out of my chest. Like, bro, like fucking crazy for real.

Starting point is 01:53:27 And that's like, man, I'd gone through a lot, man. And I just fucking, I'm getting publicly divorced and just all this crazy shit. And it's just so difficult. And here's this like angel. And so I'm talking to her. And she's so fucking cool. Did you have a visor on? A what?

Starting point is 01:53:40 Like a smooth, like some of a smoothie place to make sure that visor. Yeah. Fuck no. She was looking bad as shit. Had her hair all parted. She wasn't looking stupid. Oh yeah. And then she's in fucking leggings and just and I was like, Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:53:52 I'm talking to her. And then she's just so sweet. And she's just talking to me. I'm telling her about things I have going on. She's like, that's so cool. You know, sometimes me and my boyfriend. No. And I was like, what?

Starting point is 01:54:02 Fuck, bro. It sounds like a piece of shit. Yo, literally I was like, yo, this fucking sucks, man. What the fuck? You got a boyfriend. But I didn't say it like that. I was like, I was like, no way. That's so tight.

Starting point is 01:54:12 Like, what's his name? What's his name, bro? What's his fucking name, bitch? You better tell me his fucking name right now. I can't even hear his name. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. It's a whole thing.

Starting point is 01:54:23 Oh, shit. And then, so then I come back. I come back like a week or no, a couple of days later and I see her again. And what happened? And I, I was just like, I just talking to her. I was like telling her about all these cool new things happening in my life. Oh yeah, definitely. And I was just like, man, like we should be friends.

Starting point is 01:54:41 And she's like, no, she was like, yeah, for sure. And I had this whole, you don't understand. Like I'm not joking. I like rehearsed for 48 hours. The whole conversation. How it was going to go. How it's going to get her number. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:54:54 And then play the long waiting game because she was worth it. You know, like I was like, okay, I'm going to, we're going to wait. We're going to figure this out. Yeah. So I had this whole thing and I was like, we should be friends. And then I start to do my spiel. She's like, yeah, I could just give you my number. And I was like, oh my God, I didn't even have to do, I didn't have to do anything.

Starting point is 01:55:10 So I'm like, okay, cool. So I get her number. And when did you text her, dude? I fucking texted her that night. What? I'm going to give a fuck. You're going to fuck it up. No, I put my dick on the table, bro.

Starting point is 01:55:18 I'm not scared of shit, you be you a hundred percent and they're either going to accept you and love you for who you are or they're fucking not. They're not. And that's what I'm saying. No, it's a real, I mean, they're not for you, maybe I, I have, you got to be yourself, bro. Like be you in a fucking relationship. That's why it's so bullshit when two people get together on a fucking date and they're

Starting point is 01:55:37 not, they're lying. They're being them. Like I'll be on the first day. I'll be like, damn bitch. I just ripped ass in the bathroom. Wow. I'm like, that's who I am. I was like, me and my wife on our first date, I was like, I'm not in a weird way.

Starting point is 01:55:49 I was just like, do you want children one day? She was like, yeah. I was like, oh, dope. Do you see yourself getting married? I'm like, what's up? You super religious? She's like, no, I believe in something like an energy or something universe. I'm like, okay.

Starting point is 01:56:01 I asked those important questions because most people don't. And then five years fucking later, they get divorced because they never talked about them in the first place. So anyway, I get another fucking rubbing a gemstone on her vulva, but yeah, they get weird like that. You're a dude. So you knew and how long after that did you get engaged? Well, the crazy thing is super duper long story short.

Starting point is 01:56:21 I created this like fake release party for a mixtape called Bobby Tarantino two that just so happened to be on St. Patrick's Day, but it was really basically the great Gatsby. Are you familiar with the great Gatsby? So I created this whole party just to invite this with all her all her friends. And then she ends up bringing her boyfriend. No. Yeah. It was crazy.

Starting point is 01:56:42 And then the dude comes in and he's like, Oh, what? Can I have a picture with you? And immediately I was like, I was like, is that Swedish that I just do Sweden? I think so. No, Sweden's like this. Yeah. Or is that more German? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:56:57 Whatever. I'm not good with fucking. Like if I do an Irish side, when I do, I just sound kind of Jamaican at the same time when I do Irish man. Yeah. Anyway, fucking whatever, bro. Long story short, she, she, she didn't stay with that guy. Wow.

Starting point is 01:57:10 Because they were like, did it take and were you looking flirting with her? What was happening? Um, I flirted with her, but she never flirted back. Wow. That was beautiful. Yeah. Cause I was like, bitch, I want to take you on a private helicopter to San Diego and she had the party.

Starting point is 01:57:23 I'm like playing. I'm playing pool. I was like, no. I'm not like, what'd you mean murder? That's gangster. Yeah. You're right. I wasn't like, yo, you want to go see my fucking Radhead collection?

Starting point is 01:57:33 The fuck? What'd you mean murder? Hey, bitch, you want to go to private jet? What the fuck? You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

Starting point is 01:57:43 But yeah, I was definitely flirting with her a little bit, but I was respectful. I wasn't like, fuck this dweeb. Like it wasn't like, right, right. And then she just like, I, they just, she just saw a man, I'm going to be real. She was dating a, she was dating a boy, they fucking with the high school together and shit. And then she saw a man and was like, what's good? And that's a, and that's a real thing.

Starting point is 01:57:58 It's like, whatever, eight months later, we were engaged. She was, she got a, knocked her up in like May. We were in Tokyo when I bought that cultural appropriation kimono and I knocked her up. We had a really bad fight and then it was like so bad. It was like the worst fight we've ever really had. And then I shut that shit down. I was like, this is fucking stupid. We don't need to be doing this shit.

Starting point is 01:58:25 We need to respect each other. And if we feel, don't let animosity build. Don't this, don't that. But I told her, the real thing is she was pissed off because we were at some fucking club in Japan, everybody's wasted. And the woman who led us through the door, I was just like, oh, there's a pretty dress because I'm just, I'm a gentleman. Like if I see a woman and that's just from being raised around women, like, oh, nice

Starting point is 01:58:45 earrings. Like, and my wife knows me. She gets it. But you don't think you'd low key do it for some sort of a return? No, never, never, no. Especially with women, because for me, women doesn't matter. Like she could be bad. She could be not what you would call, you know, a bad bitch, like, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:59:02 Or just, just a normal looking, whatever the fuck. I don't know. But let's keep it 100. The bitch could be ugly or she could be fucking a supermodel and I will be like, oh, I love your shoes. Or I'll be like, oh, damn. Right, right, yeah. Like your hat, like your shoulders.

Starting point is 01:59:14 Yeah, your nails. Are they gel? Is it gel? Is it acrylic? Right. I don't give a shit. I just like your arms. Yeah, whatever.

Starting point is 01:59:22 Anyway, so she just got mad that I said the bitch had a nice dress. Oh yeah, women don't get upset about that kind of thing. And I was like, don't you ever bring that shit to me ever fucking again. Wow. Because I was like, I would never fucking do that to you. I don't give a fuck. Like, this is not, whatever. And it was so stupid and then we argued and I knocked her up and then we got married a

Starting point is 01:59:35 couple months later. I'll show you, huh? Yeah, I fucking showed her. Dude, if I'm arguing with somebody, you got to fucking knock them up. That's how most of us got in the world when you think about that. Yeah. I mean, look at my parents. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:46 They were high and on crack and angry and screaming. So you want kids? Well, they made a good creation, man. Do you want children? I do want some children, you know, and I start to get to the point where it's like, yeah, I definitely want to have some children, but also you can't hurry love, man. You got, you know, I like this girl and if it didn't work out and then I was in this other relationship and I couldn't commit.

Starting point is 02:00:06 And so I just got a... What if you got like the female equivalent of a sperm donor? What is it? I don't fucking know a surrogate or some chick. You could just knock up and be like, here, take my sperm and you just, you select. Because women, they do this. They'll select. They'll be like, okay, he's got to be chocolate, six, eight fucking NBA player, that it, this,

Starting point is 02:00:24 that, whatever. Pick what you want and then that woman could have a child herself. So you could do the same thing. You just get like some super bad, gorgeous woman. And what do you have to do? Do you have to do sex with them or do you have to drive over there? Definitely not. I don't, I don't, it's a little more professional than that.

Starting point is 02:00:42 You know what I mean? You're not, that would be like the most expensive, craziest escort of all time. Yeah. It's like a hundred grand, I think, to do something like that. To do what? To get somebody to have your child that you don't know. Really? Okay.

Starting point is 02:00:56 Yeah. Wow. It's like 80 in Mexico, I think. I wouldn't. But you got to go down there. That's going to cost you a couple G. I wouldn't sweat it because like you're already, you're still, you still have like 30 years on when your dad made you.

Starting point is 02:01:07 It's your call. So you got time. You know what I mean? Like you got it. Well, my, my dad was 38 when my mother was born. Yeah. But that's, it's just. It was different times though.

Starting point is 02:01:17 Not even that it was different times. Yeah. It's just, it's just like, bro, who gives a shit? Wasn't somebody, they, they were upset with Billy Eilish and the guy from the neighborhood. I don't know if you heard about this. So Billy Eilish, you know, she's younger. They're like 12 years difference. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:29 But so what? She's fucking of age. She can make her own decisions and we don't know what the fuck we don't, we're not in, on their text message that they can be fucking in love and happy. Yeah. Who are we to say, now it'd be different if like she was 17 or, you know, he was like, I can't wait to knock the socks off that. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:44 That'd be a little weird. He's like, let me get that kitty cooter. Oh no. Don't say that. If he's texting that kind of shit, then you got to go to jail. Um, would you guys have any more children? Do you think? Or what do you think?

Starting point is 02:01:57 My wife is currently pregnant with our. Oh, you got back in there? Yeah. With my second son. What? We're going to name them Leo. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:05 We're going to name them Leo because my best friend. So here's, here's actually super quick. The first thing I ever said to my wife was nice tattoo and she had a tattoo here that spelled Noel with two L's and she says, Oh, it's in my grandmother's handwriting. It's her middle name. And I was like, Holy shit. Both sets of her grandparents are in their high eighties living alone, killing it, probably still fucking.

Starting point is 02:02:25 It's like, they're killing it. Yeah. They're amazing. And, um, so I actually, um, got her mother's name, middle name, Grace, um, tattooed on me in her grandmother's name, which is really cool. But I say this to say that since her middle name is her grandmother's name, she wanted her, her, the second boy's middle name to be her father's name, middle name. Okay.

Starting point is 02:02:50 So Kurt David is my father-in-law. So our boy's name will be Leon David Hall, but Leon David is my best friend's name. Leon David Rosalem, who fucking let me sleep in his basement when I was homeless, didn't have anywhere to go. And almost a year to the day I signed a death jam and we all moved to LA. So I named him after my best friend, Leon David, and it's cool because he's after my best friend who also has the same middle name as my father-in-law. And yeah, we call him Leo.

Starting point is 02:03:19 It's a perfect circle. Liam. Leo. Leo is a good name. Yeah. I like it. Um, lady killer Leo. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:03:27 Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean, he's got to probably be handsome. If you're, I mean, you've seen pretty handsome and your wife looks attractive. I saw her. I see him handsome. Am I handsome or do I seem handsome? I think you seem handsome as far as I'm going to go, dude. I think you're handsome.

Starting point is 02:03:40 Less time to get tough. You're a handsome guy and you got great skin. You're handsome. Thanks, dude. You got great skin. Yeah. It's not the only thing, you know. But look at you.

Starting point is 02:03:50 What are you talking about? You got great skin. You got hair. Time comes and get you. Look at your hair. Look at you. What are you talking about? Bad.

Starting point is 02:03:58 You look good. You look great. Aw, I look like a homeless stuffed in a non-homeless guy. Um, one thing that's interesting about you, I think you're, I think I love what you're doing, man. I love the fact that you're kind of like, you're not pivoting from music, but you're adding to your ability to perform with also people seeing more of your personality, you know, which I think is interesting, you know, especially coming from your own life and

Starting point is 02:04:17 all the experiences you've had, I think some people, they only have what their music is, but you, there's so much, I mean, there's a lot to fucking unpack there. I mean, there's so many sentences you said during this chat that I could be like, what about this? What about this? So I think there's going to be a lot of like, um, just breadth of like, not only knowledge, but just like sharing of experiences that you've had or being able to relate to people. It's probably going to be a big part of your future, you know.

Starting point is 02:04:41 So I think it's cool, man, that people are getting to know you more and that you're allowing that to happen because I think, um, there's probably a need for that in the world, you know, because a lot of people don't have the experience that you've had, you know. Yeah, man. I just, I just, uh, I kind of see this as the, the second chapter of my career, you know, or second act, if you will, of my career. And yeah, the music is so therapeutic. I'll always do it.

Starting point is 02:05:06 I love it. It's like, it's so easy for me to do it. You know, I was on vacation a couple of weeks ago and I made 37 beats in a day on vacation. I woke up, was just in bed and then played with my son and then put him down for a nap and finished my 37 for the day. Like, I don't know. I just love it and it's amazing, but this shit, I live on this because like I used to really be so jealous of comedians because I'm like, these fucking assholes, especially

Starting point is 02:05:33 the greats, they go out on stage, they're themselves and all they need is a fucking microphone. I got to go out there and I got to have fucking lasers and big screens and kids on Molly in the back. And it was like, oh my God. And that's why all my, when I, when I do go out on tour, cause I'm definitely touring for this, I'm stripping it down. I've been in arenas for like fucking six years. I don't want to fucking do arenas.

Starting point is 02:05:54 I want to do theaters, three to 7,000 cap fucking theaters, simple backdrop, the shittiest lighting show. And it's going to be about me as a fucking MC doing my thing. But what I'm saying is here, this being me is the best thing I know how to do and be. So even when I do rap, there's still some personification of like, yeah, but I'm like logic, the, the rap, but this is the side of me that's rapping or the side of me that's got to be super, like here I can just be, I can be me. I can be funny.

Starting point is 02:06:24 We can talk. We can like do, I can literally do this all fucking day. The fact that's letting me know that this is where my future is, is going, especially on YouTube and social media. And I'm making a serious, serious investment. So for all my fans who are watching, let me just tell y'all, y'all spending fucking a fuck ton of money to do the YouTube and the green screen videos and the trap and all this other stuff.

Starting point is 02:06:47 And I love it. It's cool, man. I love it. I went to your channel, man. I watched a few videos and I liked it. I was like, oh, I just feel like I'm getting to know him. It's engaging. It's different from the, you know, his history as a musician.

Starting point is 02:06:57 And also I think it's like, you know, when you grow up in a place with a lot of chaos and a lot of like trying to kind of trauma, which is a buzzword that people use these days. But when you grow up in that environment, you don't really get a chance to settle down sometimes till you're, you're almost a late bloomer in some ways in life where you don't get a chance to kind of, you know, it takes a time for things to settle. It's like Michael Jackson. Imagine how Justin Bieber must feel. It's a real thing.

Starting point is 02:07:22 Like for kids who never like really got to have a childhood, you know what I mean? And had a childhood in front of the whole world. Like bro, think about some shit that you've done or said that you wouldn't even want to say publicly. That would totally get you canceled because you were just a normal human being who maybe said a wrong joke or this and that, like as a kid, like as kids, like we all say and do dumb shit. I don't give a fuck who you are.

Starting point is 02:07:42 We're humans. Well, there's two blackface kids, dude. Exactly. But that's what I mean. It's like, we've all done something. Yeah. That kid's two years old. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:52 He's fucked. He's canceled. He's canceled. He's two. You're canceled. They blurred his fucking face out. People, you think 20 years from now, people are like, are you little eddy? Is this you?

Starting point is 02:08:00 Like what the fuck? I think it's really funny though, how it's like a whole, not bit, I'm going to say bit. We did the bit, but it's like a whole thing on blackface, but they don't show the blackface. I know. Like why would you blur it out? It's almost like Asian porn where you blur it. It's like, what's the point? Are they blur out the faces?

Starting point is 02:08:21 Yeah. I haven't seen that. I mean, I guess maybe it's like because that's somebody's child. I don't know. But it's, it's just almost like, hey, here's, here's a, here's a write up on this thing and then you go because you want to see it, but you can't see it. You can't see it. How are you going to see blackface when the face is blurred?

Starting point is 02:08:35 Well, I mean, it's like, and also like at least if the kids are going to do it, let them fucking do it. Or is that the right take or not? Maybe not. So what I'm trying to say is, well, look, fuck no, but one of them was a cop and one of them was a construction worker. What'd you mean one of them? What does that mean?

Starting point is 02:08:55 I'm just saying one of them. What? No. Um, dude, congrats on the new album. It comes out March. March. No, February 24th is called College Park. Okay.

Starting point is 02:09:07 Yeah. It comes out February 24th is called College Park. Thanks so much. Yeah, I'd love to chat again sometime. Yeah. For sure. It'd be cool. You know, come by every once in a while.

Starting point is 02:09:17 Yeah. And I want to make my rounds too, man. Any, any homies or different people that you know that you think it'd be fun to fuck with him. What about Tiger Belly? Have you been on there? Oh, yeah. I want to do it all, man.

Starting point is 02:09:27 So like, let me know, you know, I want to fuck with whoever. I'll take it. Some great ones, man. All right. Yo, make sure you check out Troy Bond. Okay. I'm telling you, man, the kid, he's really special. You know, it's almost like when I first fucking met, uh, Pete Davidson, we used to hang all

Starting point is 02:09:38 the time. And I just, I was like, oh, yeah, it's dude's out of here type. Really? It's that feeling. Yeah. It just felt like he had just like a unique energy. Yeah. And he does.

Starting point is 02:09:46 And he's so easy. I mean, like he says, he looks like a Puerto Rican lesbian. Like it's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people thought he was Britney Griner. Remember a couple months ago? There was a lot of you bring that up.

Starting point is 02:09:54 Honestly, Pete Davidson, Britney Griner, dude, Britney Griner was at the, I went to the golf this past weekend. I was in Phoenix. Britney Griner was there. I had a chance to meet her and I had to do something for a buddy, dude. I would have loved to be like, yo, what was, what's that like? Wait, this is a real thing. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 02:10:11 This is happening. It's a doppelganger. Oh, it's totally in that one right there though. Yeah. A lot of people thought that that was Pete Davidson when they traded for Russia or whatever. Dude, here's a crazy thing that I heard. What? I'm like, um, I was at like a party and they had some Israeli guys there and they said

Starting point is 02:10:26 that they, the reason Britney Griner got busted or got, she was over there, there's like a Russian czar or whatever that pays women to come play basketball topless over there. And that's what she was doing over there in the first place. Cause people, no one asked like, what was she even doing in Russia in the first place? Oh, I don't know if that's true, but it was real interesting. But she just got a haircut. I almost got to meet her at the golf tournament. You have a favorite football team?

Starting point is 02:10:53 I fucking hate sports. I'm trying to get into it. I just thought, it's not that I hate it. It's just like, I've just fucking never, I mean, I love skateboarding. You know what I mean? That's a sport. Yeah. I used to do that shit till I was like 20 years old.

Starting point is 02:11:06 Like I was obsessed. Really? Yeah. I'm actually going to have dinner with Paul Rodriguez tonight. No. One of the greatest skateboarders of fucking all time. Yeah. I was actually, I was doing, I was doing this interview with this cat named Vic Blenz.

Starting point is 02:11:16 Uh-huh. And yeah, dude, I see him. I follow him on TikTok. He's super dope. I did an interview with him and I won't, I won't, I won't give that away, but it was, it was really, it was really special. And anyway, I ended up meeting Paul Rodriguez. So that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 02:11:30 Dude, well, it sounds like you have a lot of new stuff going on in your life, man. Thanks for coming in and sharing it with us, man. Thanks for being so cool. And you know, I'm glad that you're sober. Thanks, man. Yeah. And yeah, I feel pretty good about it. It's a little bit, yeah, I feel like it's the only way I can do things now, kind of.

Starting point is 02:11:50 Yeah. What do you mean? I don't know if I was fucked up if I'd be able to do anything. Well, I mean, were you fucked up? I mean, look at you. No, but it's just always the fear of being that I don't know if I go out, what tomorrow, what it could be like tomorrow. I don't want a risk that I'm not going to be able to be here with you.

Starting point is 02:12:05 I love how honest you are, man. And that's how I feel, honesty is obviously, I know we should be wrapping up here, but I just want to say like, how long had you done hard drugs? I think if somebody had something, I would do it. So I didn't go around a lot of people that had it, but if somebody had a little something wanted, I would do it, you know, I met a dude at a laundromat one time and did some damn LSD dude, left all my fucking clothes in there and fucking left. What's your, what's your drug of choice?

Starting point is 02:12:35 Probably cocaine. Yeah. I would say probably. What does it feel like? I don't know. If I had to guess, I would say cocaine. What's it like? Let me think.

Starting point is 02:12:43 I like cocaine because it makes me feel exactly how I want to immediately. Like having a beer, it's like, Hey, I got to talk to Patrick or Ricky. You know what I'm saying? If I have cocaine, dude, I get to go home, fucking hold on to my fucking wiener and be scared and wait, what? Yeah. That's what you do, dude. If you're doing once cocaine at your house, you hold on to your fucking wiener and you

Starting point is 02:13:03 be scared and then you hope that you'll live, but you don't know if you will. Are you fucking serious? Yeah. And what do you like that feeling? Do you like it? I think there's a part of me that relates to that feeling so much. Oh yeah, but that just sounds like desperation and all that sounds like fucking childhood trauma.

Starting point is 02:13:21 Yeah. Agreed. I think it just, it just attaches to that old shit. I couldn't imagine you on cocaine. So like, have you, how many times have you ever been on cocaine while you were doing the show? No. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 02:13:33 I couldn't, but I couldn't imagine. You're already so like. I'd be so scared. You're super chill. Like this is what's crazy. It's like you're chill, but animated at the same time. And I feel like if you were on cocaine, like you would explode. Oh, I would be looking at porn on my phone and I'd be pretending I wasn't.

Starting point is 02:13:50 That'd be the tough part. We did. I would drive and do cocaine and be looking at like escort, just, it was all just tragic. And I think I didn't like, but I think I liked cocaine because it's like, I want to feel, I don't want there to be any ambiguity about how I want to feel. I want to feel how I want to feel right now. Yeah, but you're talking about grabbing your wiener and freaking out. Are you serious?

Starting point is 02:14:13 I mean. I'm 100% serious. What do you like about it though? The feeling? Like what? Cause I'm just curious. Like what does it. It gave you an excuse to be a, it gave you an excuse to grab your wiener.

Starting point is 02:14:22 Oh, shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? That's what I'm telling you. No, man, you do blow, right? I just, I imagine it's like, all right, you're fucking, you're in the Hollywood Hills. You got six bitches with you. You know what I'm talking about? You're fucking driving in a drop top coupe and you fucking do all mine and you fucking

Starting point is 02:14:40 feel invincible. That's what I think cocaine is. You're describing it as like, oh shit, that does not sound fun. That does not sound fucking fun at all, man. I'm definitely never doing cocaine now. Shit. Thank you. All right.

Starting point is 02:14:58 Good interview. Fuck. Yeah. I'm gonna go to the beach and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind. I found, I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little bit of time.

This Past Weekend - E432 Logic

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