This Past Weekend - E435 George Kittle

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Starting point is 00:00:56 Connecticut, Uncasville, and Atlantic City on July 23rd. Get your tickets and all of them through theovon.com slash tour for the Return of the Rat Tour. And just thank you guys so much in advance for just making my dreams come true. I'm really excited about the show. Today's guest is an NFL tight end for the San Francisco 49ers. He's an all pro four time pro boulder. He is hype. He is hype. He's he's he's the he's the savage masseuse. He's captain violence himself. Today's guest is Mr. George Kittle. I just got out of the iceberg. So how long do I go for? I go for 10 minutes. 10 minutes. How cold? Now that's kind of the negotiable part. I think I agree with you. I go

Starting point is 00:02:20 for right now. I'm at 50. Oh, yeah, dude, for sure. I think if you're if you're under like 50 degrees to like 40, I think you're doing a really good job. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, because some guys it's like they want to get as cold as they can. They like want to like they just want to be so cold and they want to just like be like I'm the coldest guy, you know, congratulations. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, congratulations, right? Like you're not. Yeah, if you want to be that cold, then move to like the North Pole or something. But don't just pretend you're like the you're fucking Santa, you know, just because you're in your garage. Do we have at San Francisco, we have two ice tubs and ones at 39 degrees. The other ones at like 45. Yeah, I'm in the

Starting point is 00:03:03 fourth, like the 39 degree. It's like, what are we doing? That's what Bosa does all the time. Really? Yeah, he likes that one. He loves being cold. But like my pool in California, it's not heated. And so by mid October, it's like, it's like 52. And then by the time you get through halfway through November, it's like 46. And I just jump in every morning at 6 30am. Oh, wow. It's awesome. Great way to start your day. Yeah, yeah. It definitely changes my whole perception. It kind of takes me out of my brain. I noticed and puts me into my body. For sure. I love it. I just jump right in. You're in it for, I mean, I usually do like three, three to five minutes. I'm ready to roll for the whole day. Oh, really? That's about all I need. Yeah. I do, like there's

Starting point is 00:03:44 days like if I have like a recovery day, because like most of the time, like I have to leave my house by 7am. I don't make the meetings and stuff like that. So and I don't really want to wake up. But I mean, six, I don't like to wake up before six, because as soon as you see like a five on your alarm clock, it sucks. Yeah. There's something about that. I think that makes you be like, oh, what's going on here? Like I'm a senior citizen or something. Like they like that five, you know. Oh, dude, it's Sarah. I was talking to Taylor Juan today. He was like, yeah, my work out started at 5am. I was like, why? That's great. Yeah. Why? Especially if you're just going to get hurt every year and not even play. Oh, well, maybe it's new. Maybe this is his change. Maybe he's doing something

Starting point is 00:04:22 different. He'll be healthy, man. He'll be fine. He's got a couple of tough breaks. It is what it is. Yeah, it is. Some of it I think is his attitude gets stuck in his knees too and fucking ruins them. There is something about when you get hurt, you definitely overthink about it, both from your recovery standpoint. And then once you get back onto the football field, like that's all you can think about. Like just don't do it again. Just don't do it again. And the second you start thinking like that, that's when it happens again. Have you noticed that? Because you had a break, right? I broke my foot in 2020. Yeah. Cuboid. It's like up here. Yeah. So I came back in five weeks and then the next like five practices, that's all you could think about. And it sucks. And then

Starting point is 00:04:59 you go through a whole offseason, then you kind of forget about it, but still you get back into football. That's still what you're thinking about. Like just don't break it again. And then like after a while, you just get comfortable and you just forget about it. Were there routes and stuff that you would adjust and not do because you just to take the pressure off of it? Just like planting really hard on it. It kind of just freaked me out a little bit because the way I broke it too, didn't really make any sense. I just kind of got hit when my foot was in the ground and it just kind of gave out. So I was just kind of more cautious, more careful, like picking up my feet when I was getting hit and stuff like that. But then like it's a bonnet heels, take a lot of

Starting point is 00:05:28 collagen, drink a lot of milk. It is what it is. Yeah. You look great today, by the way. Thanks, man. I feel pretty good. I think getting in that ice plunge, it does, it alters my percept, it alters my perspective, you know, it's like, so talk to me about that. That's what I'll, it's like, I noticed if I'm in like kind of a rough mood or I'm kind of like, I want to feel a little bit more kind of in my body. If I'm just too much in my head, I'm like, I want to get in my body and I want to, and I don't want to do it. So it's like, let me do something I don't want to do. Yeah. That's, that's how I see it. My thing is I, so I like to do it the first, I wake up, go downstairs and I just jump in my pool and it's

Starting point is 00:06:06 just like, the first thing I do to start my day is something that's not really fun. Yeah. But like now I, I enjoy doing it because I feel great when you get done with it. But like, you just, you accomplish something that really sucks. Yeah. And then the rest of your day, like, yeah, you can be dealing with other stuff, other issues, but like, you're doing one thing that's difficult to do that not a lot of people like to do. And she's like, all right, I'm gonna start my day off by accomplishing something. Look, that's gangster. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it, man. I think it's like, yeah, how can I do something today that I don't want to do? It does make everything else a little bit easier then. It's even like going, like going with,

Starting point is 00:06:35 with going and working out like, actually, I get a little bit excited because like, um, I work out down there with Jeremy Holden, those guys, you know, J-Holes at my house today. Oh, was he really? Oh, dang. Oh, he's unbelievable. But he's also like, he like dresses like he's trying to get molested. I feel like, is that a crazy thing to say? He is a handsome dude, 24 seven man. He smells like a barbershop too every time. Oh, but I think that I think is in the urban community. There's a lot better. They, they tend to be a lot more fragrant. Yeah. You're not wrong. Jeremy smells good all the time. I do. I always try to, we get under his skin sometimes. We always tell him that he

Starting point is 00:07:11 needs to brush his teeth once in a while, which he does, but it's just, it's a fun way to talk shit to somebody because not really much you can do if your breath smells like shit. Oh, does his breath smell bad? No, it's just a fun joke that we play on him because there's not really much of a comeback to that. Oh yeah, that's true, huh? Yeah, dude, go brush your teeth. Yeah, you're like, fuck you. Like, Hey, dude, I really need my breath really bad. That's what people always do. That's literally what it is. That is the best dude. The worst thing is, is when somebody does have horrible breath and especially like, if they're at like a nightclub or something and somebody's breath is bad, brutal. Oh, and you know what, a lot of times, bro, I won't tell him,

Starting point is 00:07:43 dude, depends on if I like him or not. I feel you. You got to be honest with like, if it's a buddy, I'll definitely tell him, but if it's somebody. So if you've got a friend who has something in their teeth, do you tell him? Not if it's a girl. So okay, get this. I was at the pro bowl two years ago and one of the reporters there, I'd like, I was kind of going down the line with the talk to a certain amount of people and I, she probably interviewed like six people before she got to me and she just had a huge like piece of spinach in her front two teeth. And I was like, you were just on air with six people and no one told you, you have a camera guy with four feet from your face. I told her right when I started the interview, I was like, you have some in your teeth. I was

Starting point is 00:08:20 like, I don't, I would be so embarrassed if I just said some of my teeth the entire time and no one told me like, come on, I thought we were friends. And women, that shakes them to the core. Oh, it's almost like telling them that they don't even exist. I know that sounds crazy, but you tell a woman that because it's like, for some reason, it seems to be the only thing that care about. Oh, dude, man, they're always like, Oh, speaking of women, man, your sister taught me yoga. Yeah, I know. That's what she was like, yeah, I'm teaching Theo Von yoga. And I was like, really? That's awesome. It was so cool, man. Was that here? Yeah, yeah, right here. She taught me yoga because I think you guys didn't live very far away. We live a block away. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:08:59 I sold that. We live out like West of Nashville now, but yeah, we live there for two years. Yeah. So it's a pretty easy commute. She's the best, man. She was like very, she's like very like like kind of like ladylike and motherly, but like very like sent like a sensei kind of. She's, she, she vibes. She's got a great vibe to her. Yeah. She's like a vibe surfer or something like, you know, she's like the female layered Hamilton of vibes. I feel like that's a savage compliment, man. Yeah. And she, um, dude, she had me do this thing one time. It was like wearing these things between my toes, right? Yeah. And it's like yoga toes or I mean, it's just like this thing you wear at night. It's almost like a spacers. Yes. Or what color were they blue or

Starting point is 00:09:47 white? Well, I tried the freaking blue ones, dude. The blue ones, dude, I couldn't, I'm obsessed with those. The blue ones I see you could probably do, but can you pull up those toe spacers? Oh, yeah, dude, I, uh, I got into those. She got me into those, right? So they're awesome. Whenever I take my Netflix pet, though, this Netflix special that I did, um, she had been teaching me, right? So if you see me walk, I'm walking out like this because she taught me how to walk like a paleolithic. Yeah. No, I know exactly what you're talking about, dude. We talk about that stuff all the time. Right here, this kind of stuff. Oh yeah, dude. Yeah, the, those are the small ones. They have a way bigger one. Uh, they're massive and blue. Oh, the big one, I felt like a whore with the

Starting point is 00:10:23 bigger ones in. They space you out in big gaps. It was like, God. Well, now is this a foot only fans account? Is that what we're looking at? Is this a, I don't know. How do people make money off that, man? That foot fetish. Well, foot fetish was the thing I think. Help me out. Help me understand this. Cause I don't understand it. I would guess if you are, I don't think it's a lot of American money. I think it's like a lot of yen that people spend on it. Those guys like it because I think their Japanese feet are very little. You could eat probably a dozen of them. And I think, you know, for context, that makes sense to me. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, totally. You're like, okay. It's like when we stop getting the 10 piece bone in or bone out, man.

Starting point is 00:11:09 Oh, I think if you're going Japanese feet, dude, I'm keeping the bone in. I want all of it. I think I want the mayor. I want all the fricking, you know, the, the gifts of the Orient, I feel like, but I do think that that that is what it is. They don't have very long. It's not like a precious like a thing over there. It's almost like, you know, so they don't get to see it. So I think for them seeing like a long foot with toenail polish and stuff, it's very fantastical to them. My Emma's fiance, Cody, he's a pitcher in Japan. And so he's like six, five, and he says that the next closest person hardly goes to his chest. And so he just stands out like a sore thumb and I was like, that's actually crazy. So then

Starting point is 00:11:53 you think about feet, like he's a size 14, 15. That's, that's, that's a lot for, that's a lot out there. Yeah, he should, we'll get the picks up there for him. And I think this, yeah, I don't know if there's a market for it for men. Yeah. What is going on with that foot? Why do people have foot fetish? Can you look it up, please? I'm going to call into your show and ask you that question. Or you just, but you came here and asked it. I know, but I'll just call in next time. Hey man, this is George. I was there a couple of weeks ago. You've solved this mystery yet? Oh, one researcher proposes that the fetish is due to sensory input in the brain. The neuroscientist Vilayanur Ramachandran suggests that the part of the brain, that process of the sensation

Starting point is 00:12:37 people get from feet is next to the area that perceives genital stimulation. Oh, interesting. Right on. So people want to see that foot. They want to see it gets them going, gets the blood going. Yeah. I think I have this exact same thing. You do? Yeah. It's a nice one. The legacy flag I made it for you. I think so. Yeah. He hit me up like four years ago and he made it for me. And I was like, dude, thanks. Yeah. It's hanging in my out. It's in my barn. Oh, that's awesome. I love it. Yeah. We, uh, he sent us this one and another one. We'll have to, um, we'll put his info up actually right now. He's done so much. He, he's, he does beautiful flags. So I'm going to make sure that we put it on the screen right now. There's nothing like a cool

Starting point is 00:13:12 wooden American flag. It's awesome. Like Nick Bosa has, I'm pretty sure that exact same one in the back of his locker. Oh, wow. It's awesome. Oh, really? In his locker? Yeah. This is in the back of his locker. I think he got shipped there and he was like, this is cool and just set it back. Oh, that's crazy. Um, but yeah, I guess that makes sense about a foot because I think also, if you think back into maybe, I wonder if like in old times you could, but if people were like cave people, then you saw the foot all the time, you know, very true. I'm just trying to think. They were really pretty back then though, were they? No, I'm sure. Kind of like hobbit feet. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they were very, uh, thick, muscular. I bet you they were spread out though.

Starting point is 00:13:48 Yeah. Very flat, huh? Flat, wide toes. I mean, like, because you see the photos like indigenous people and their feet, they're literally like, they look like hands. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's crazy. And then I'm like, everyone's like, that's the healthy way. Like that's what your feet want to look like. Your shoes make, you know, they close your toe box in all that stuff. Well, it's kind of hard for me because my profession, I have to wear cleats that are small and like, to an extent, like I tried, like I wear the toe space, I try to spread them out, keep my feet as healthy as I can. But like once you get to training camp and you're, I mean, you're taking like a couple hundred reps a day, it doesn't really help too much. Like your feet just got to get, you got to build a

Starting point is 00:14:23 callus to it basically is what you do. But then now I'm out of cleats right now for a couple of weeks and it's like your feet just lose that callus and I have to get back into it every single year. It's wild. Your feet kind of relax almost. Can you almost notice it and feel it? Oh yeah. Like my feet feel significantly better a month after the season than they do the entire duration. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. Like I don't, this was a, I learned this because I like pedicures. It feels fantastic. Oh wow. I like getting my feet massaged. It's really nice. Get them cleaned up. But like in the season, I don't get a pedicure for the entire season because I don't want to lose any of the callus. Like on the bottom of my feet, I don't want any of it scraped off because your feet basically

Starting point is 00:14:57 has become these, these thick blocks and you just got to, especially like where I am, I'm in the interior office, I'm in the office of line basically all the time. And so I get stepped on 24 seven. So like I like having tough feet, but then as soon as the season's over, I'm back getting pedicures and stuff. It's fantastic. So you want to keep whatever you can, whatever a little extra you can get. Yeah. Hopefully my skin is thicker about halfway through the season. Dang. It's wild. Do y'all take stuff that can make your skin thicker? I don't know. Like, I mean, like we have a lot of supplements that are like our team provides us and I'm just big. I do a ton. I like collagen. Like that's my big thing. Collagen and orange juice and then any type of calcium I can

Starting point is 00:15:34 get. Like those are my two big things, but that's a good thing to look into. Why not? I mean, like you see like my shins right here. That's just all cleats. Oh, dang. Yeah. Like my shins are just permanently cut up for like my the rest of my life. Damn. Cleats aren't really fun to get kicked by. Yeah. And do you get to wear shin pads or not? So the only guy that ever did them pretty sure is like Cam Newton did that for a little bit. I contemplated doing that, but I like football is a really weird sport where you just kind of get lucky. Like I could be blocking somebody and then the running back could miss me by like an inch or he might kick me in the calf when he's going past me. And it's just like, you just got to get lucky sometimes. And I got really lucky this year

Starting point is 00:16:09 where like, yeah, my shins were getting beat up, but like nothing else. And so I don't know if I want to be that guy that's out there with the double elbow pads, double knee, like you just don't want to look like that. And I just, I can't bring myself to wearing shin pads yet. Yeah. There's maybe an aesthetic thing about it. Is it, um, are there, but there, Cam Newton was the guy that did it? I think so. I think that's what, because I brought it up and like one of my equipment managers told me that and I was like, if the only other person where shin guards was a quarterback, I just don't know if I can do that to myself. Cause Oh yeah. Cause it kind of puts you on a different level. Yeah. No, I think I just got to tough it out.

Starting point is 00:16:39 You know, it's, it's for the, the, it's just for the sport, man. It's got to tough it out. Yeah. I could, I could respect that, man. I think sometimes, yeah, you want to wear, like I won't wear like a turtleneck, you know, I'm not a big turtle. I don't know if I've ever worn a turtleneck. There are guys that pulled off really well. That's just not my thing. You know who wears one? Mike Dicka wears a turtleneck a lot. I see a lot. And I think a lot of people that sell jewelry wear it. Oh, like little fancy. You might see one like on a cool night in Miami, a lot of turtlenecks down there. Yeah. Maybe I can see that kind of. That's love. Yeah. I think it's kind of like also like Europeans or Middle Easterners wear it.

Starting point is 00:17:15 Now there's cam. Now that definitely looks like diapers on the front of his fucking head. Yes. Those are those. That's basically what like basketball players wear. That's the type of shin guards. So like those, those aren't bad. Like I was picturing wearing like the actual soccer shin guards that are like hard ones. And who knows, I might give it a shot this year. Who knows if it doesn't affect how I run, which hopefully it doesn't, but you want to be as light as you can. Cause I mean, the name of the game in the NFL these days is speed. Yeah. So whoever's fastest is, you know, who makes the most plays and who gets paid. And it's also, I think it could become a mental thing. Like sometimes you feel like if you have

Starting point is 00:17:46 something on your body, then it's way or it's like a hundred percent starts to become a little bit of a hinge and it's not even worth it, I bet. No, that's a hundred percent true. Cause like I didn't use, I play with the shoulder sling on because was it my second year I dislocated my shoulder. And so like to come back and play and not miss any time I had, like I wore the shoulder sling and now I'm just like, uh, superstitious about it. And like, I saw like my shoulders are a little messed up, but like, I don't need to wear it, but I literally just do it because it's, it helps me like just not totally get out of the socket sometimes. And but for that, that, that took a lot of getting used to just wearing something else on my body. Cause at first I was

Starting point is 00:18:21 like, well, I can't lift my hand above my head and then after a while you just get used to it. And that's it. That's the whole process of it, just getting used to it. Cause you know, like, uh, the football, like the girdles that come with like the built in pads and like your thighs and your hips and stuff like that. It's like spandex you'd wear. Yeah. I've seen them. Yeah. Like big panties. Yeah. Basically. And like, they have these thick pads and I'm in, I wore them in high school and then I didn't wear them again until I tried them on the NFL and it felt like I was wearing like baggy pants and I hated it. It was just way too much going on. And so I just do like the little, like those high school, white little pads you put into your football pants. Cause like it is,

Starting point is 00:18:52 you just, you don't want to wear a lot because you're just trying to be as fast as possible. You know, one thing that was interesting, even when your, when your sister was helping me do yoga and I just bring that back because we, we would talk about you sometimes and, um, and she was always really interested in like the next, like staying on the pulse of like, that is pretty cool. I know dude, it's always weird. You think like, would you ever have like one of those of yourself and then like somehow you end up with one? Oh dude. Yeah. I did a bobblehead thing like in 2018 or 2019 and I still have like 30 of them in a box, just in my, in my barn just in storage. And then I got a Nickelodeon one this year. It's hilarious to me. The head is

Starting point is 00:19:31 so big. Let's bring it up. I don't know if you can find it, but yeah, I did. It's hilarious. I gotta start getting, you know what I should start doing for guests that we have on? I should start getting some bobbleheads. That's awesome. Have you seen, uh, you, you like the Preds, right? Hockey team? Um, yeah, I like the Preds. They're not, they don't like themselves. I don't think they're not that good. You know, like, well, so Phil Forsberg is like one of my best friends. I love that dude. And, uh, I love going, oh yeah, there it is. Look at that big head. Oh my God. That's you dude. What were you going through? Dude, when I first opened it, I was like, that boy's faded, Theo. That boy right there is faded. Yeah, dude. Whoa, bro. Yeah. Hold on dude. That looks like,

Starting point is 00:20:09 she looks hot. Hey, thank you. That's a nice, yeah, that from the backside, man. That's aggressive. Oh, I just got slime. Thanks, Nick. Really appreciate it. Slime. Okay. Oh, now I get it. I thought that was like between two ferns with Zach. Dude, that'd be awesome. That's really what I thought it was going on here. This looks like you. I feel like in like 15 years, 20 years. That's a faded old George right there. Yeah. That looks like George. Um, like if you were in, uh, like Pink Floyd or like, like if you were definitely like riding in a small van, how many windows? I mean, some of the windows had, uh, curtains because you were also living in it. I think, I think it has that kind of like, we're, oh, we're, we're following the

Starting point is 00:20:55 Grateful Dead or we're following, uh, widespread panic. Yeah. How's it? Yeah. Kind of compare. It's, it's good. It's, I actually just got my fade to redone as far as coming from a haircut. Oh, you did? I had to. Who does your hair? Uh, his name is Calvin. He, uh, he cuts a lot of the Titans players. And so I met him through, uh, one of the guys and now he just cuts me in all my buddy's hair. Fantastic. Is he? Yeah. North Nashville. Oh, wow. Yeah. He really gets on there. Oh yeah. High ball fade. Damn. He's good at it. Yeah. I just got my haircut today too, actually. Oh, look at us. That's crazy. This girl Whitney cuts mine here in Nashville. Um, have you ever had anyone mess up your haircut? Like really bad? Oh dude, one time my freaking

Starting point is 00:21:34 friend's dad, first of all, never gets your haircut in, um, Mississippi. Okay. Thank you. Just don't do it. I mean, yeah. Sure. Don't even if it's at the mall, the casino, it doesn't matter. I cut the casino. Dude, I got a haircut at a casino one time, bro. Dude, I'll tell you, this is crazy. So one time Chris Pratt actually one time this is, and I'm kind of name-dropping, but this is what happened. He sent me a DM. He asked me to be on a movie, his right. So I went through all these things and got like, got the, got the, he helped me get the part in the movie. And then I got this horrible haircut and it made, and we're just about to like start taping. And I also didn't, uh, I didn't like the part was very small and it was going to take like 12 weeks to

Starting point is 00:22:22 do. Oh, and I was like, man, this is just, it's a lot. It's a lot. And, but what capped it off was that day I'd gotten, I'd had a show that weekend somewhere and I got my haircut in a casino in Mississippi and it was so fucking bad. It pushed me over the edge. I was like, I don't, yeah, I definitely want to be on camera. I don't want to be around anyone. I'm out. Yeah. And this lady just gotten out of like, she went through like this haircutting rehabilitation program through prison or whatever, which I'm all about. That's who cut your hair. Yeah. Good for you, man. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. I was like, God wants me here. This is what we're doing. It was on it. Oh God. I wanted to fucking broke. I should have gone to prison on that, on that lady. It was

Starting point is 00:23:01 fucking bad, dude. And if I ever see that fucking lady again somewhere, you want to go to casino Mississippi with me? It was so bad, dude. I was like, I gamble, I gamble with my most valuable asset too. That's tough. It is. That's a good asset. This is a public service announcement. Man escaped now has beard products as well as a brand new nose and ear hair trimmer. That's the worst. You know, one time I had a buddy, he shaved his head and he left his ears just, my God, grew a dang mitten on each one of them. He just his ears were just dang ready for winter all year long. If you haven't already heard the leaders in below the waist grooming are traveling up north with a revolutionary beard hedger pro kit. Yep. Plus they've now

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Starting point is 00:26:33 when you have long hair, you need to go to a salon and like work with someone who knows how to cut long hair. I just went to a barber and I swear to God, he gave me a bowl cut without putting a bowl on my head. He let my hair down and he just cut a circle around my head. And I looked at and I was like, that's tough for me. It's really tough. And I had to go to a salon literally like an hour later and they had to like fix it for him, but it was still a brutal. He just went scissors in a circle. It hurts, huh? It really, it was a struggle for me. My wife looked at me, she was like, what is wrong with you? I was like, a lot of things at this moment. Actually, I got to leave. Yeah. I've been neutered. That's what it feels like. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:27:08 People don't know once you've grown, like, like there's something about like why I could see why Native Americans would go and take the scalp of a man because it was like the most powerful fucking thing you could do. It's very disrespectful. Did you ever get a haircut like during COVID? Like anyone, like I had a guy, I had a traveling barber who I met through a person through a person like in Nashville. That's a homeless guy. He showed up and I asked him, you know, for a fade and he cut it and then he was on the back of my neck and he was talking to me and he was a football fan, so he was talking and you know, like when you know somebody messes something up and they try to hide it and like it was like, and I was like, he stopped for like

Starting point is 00:27:49 two seconds. I was like, you good? And he was like, yeah, yeah, no, nothing's wrong. I go in and I show my wife and he basically put a lightning bolt as my neckline. It was absolutely brutal. Why did he do it? He was just not paying attention. He was asking me a football question and he just got excited. It was hilarious. I looked, I was like, you know what, man, just thank you for the time and I'm going to call it a day. Oh my goodness. There's nothing worse than getting a bad haircut, man. It's brutal. It just ruins your whole day and maybe a week. Oh yeah, it can ruin even more. At least you're married, bro. Dude, thank you. Yes, it helps a lot. God, you have, yeah, you know a lady still likes you

Starting point is 00:28:27 when you fucking get home. Yes. Imagine you get a shitty haircut then you go home and it's just just staring in the mirror like, oh my God, I can't leave the house. You're trying on different hats and shit. You're like, yeah. You're starting to become a beanie guy. Hey, Theo, why are you wearing a beanie? Don't worry about it. It's my thing now. Yeah, you grow a beard that you can't even grow. It's just, um, but no one thing that I was interested in that was interesting about and I keep going back to your system, but I keep distracting you. Sorry. It's okay. One thing that was interesting was she's like, she helps train you guys do yoga and stuff. She's always like, but she's like, yeah, we stay on the, just try to stay on the cutting edge. She just gone to a

Starting point is 00:29:06 conference. I think about, I think it was some type of new yoga or something. Yeah, I can't remember where it's called, but yeah, but it was just interesting. She's like, yeah, our family's big into this. Has your family always been like, because I got to meet your father and your mother at the golf, uh, at the mother in law. Oh, that's mother in law. Yeah, that's my mom's way. Yeah. Is your mother still alive? Yeah, she is. She just, she didn't go, uh, my dad. Yeah, you're good. My dad, I'm remarried. No, no, no. Oh, your wife's mother. It's my wife's mom. Yeah, my wife's mom, she was in town for, she does, she works with, uh, the NFL Hall of Fame Health. And so like, she works with, like former NFL players who were retired, who need help with

Starting point is 00:29:46 medical stuff, which is, it's really cool stuff. But, uh, yeah, I brought my, my sister, my dad, and my mother in law. Cause my, my sister, my dad, they have the podcast now. And so, yeah, yeah. What's it called? Hidden pearls. Hidden pearls. Right. Hidden pearls podcast. But they were, uh, they're in, um, Scott still for, uh, in a vent up there. And I just, I happened to have a couple extra tickets. So they got to go with me. Yeah, it was cool, man. Because, yeah, I'd always heard about y'all's dad. And then, um, and then it gets to see your sister again was great. But, uh, yeah, has y'all's family always been like, like super health conscious or like, what was that kind of like? My mom's been a vegetarian most of my life. Oh, wow. And you

Starting point is 00:30:24 grew up in the Midwest. You did grow up in the Midwest. Oh my God, dude, were people are strolling like, like Molotov cocktails through windows? No, she was fine. She would, like, she eats fish once in a while. So like, not true vegetarian, but like now I would say, uh, I'd say like the last 10 years, my family's become like super health conscious. Well, like, my dad's 60, my parents are both, my dad's 64, my mom's 63. Wow, he looks great. He does look great. But, uh, my dad, like his side of the family as like health issues. And so he's like, I'm not going to let that happen to me. And so I'm going to be as healthy as I possibly can. So my dad's basically vegan now for like the last five years. I'm going to fight it. Bring him up with his name

Starting point is 00:31:00 is, um, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce Kittle. Let's bring him up in here. I want to get a jpeg at his fellow right here. Cause yeah, he look at him. There he is. Oh yeah. Look at that guy. And this had me a little zinned out in this picture, but he's definitely a tough man. Yeah, he is. Oh, that's you and him. That's me and him. Is that right down the street? No, that was there. Oh, that's crazy. Um, so yeah. So was he, I mean, look at that hair photo of him in college. Where is it? Let me see. Yeah. Oh, wow. I know. Right. So he took a, he went to the worst barber. Oh dude. He tried to keep his hair for a while. He's been, he's been bald since probably like 40, 45. He just shaves it off. So were you worried about that? Oh, I know that when I cut the hair,

Starting point is 00:31:43 I don't know if it's going to come back very well. It is what it is. So I'm just, my wife likes it. So I'm going to keep it as long as she likes it. And then I'll cut it off when I cut it off. And it is what it is. Save it probably. We thought about cutting off some of, like, whenever I get my hair cut, saving it and selling a little 20 sacks of it at the, uh, you can probably just walk down Broadway. People would buy it. Well, we want to sell it after comedy shows. We want to have a special thing where there's like a limited edition, 40 of them, and they're just little 20 bags and like little drug baggies, but nothing. I know that's like, that's like the dude selling the sand from where Tom Brady did his retirement speech from. Someone

Starting point is 00:32:15 sold it for $400. I was like, are you like, who's going to buy that? Why would you do that? So I'm going to send monkey out there. Um, were you guys really tough? Cause you, uh, your, your whole family's very fit. Yes. Was that a big thing growing up? Was there like, like, do you have to like do chin ups to get seconds and stuff? No, not at all. No, my, uh, my mom's a two sport hall of fame athlete in Iowa high school is softball and basketball. My dad was a football player and a wrestler. And so we just kind of been athletes. Emma was a great athlete. She was like, I don't know, like, she's volleyball, right? She played volleyball in college. She did basketball and volleyball in high school. I think

Starting point is 00:32:52 she was like first team all state and all her stuff. So she's a freak athlete too. So we've always just been athletic, but no, like it wasn't a, my dad was always big on, like there are dads out there who are like very strict on their kids about stuff. My dad just gave me like a template, like, Hey, these are things that are going to lead to your success. You can choose to do them or not. I'm going to help you like make the right decision. Like I'm not going to force you to do it. It's on you, but like what are your dreams? I want to play in the NFL. This is going to help you get to there. Like just doing these things a little bit better, but his biggest thing was like, Hey, work hard, try to get better

Starting point is 00:33:21 and have fun. Cause if you have fun, it's a lot easier. That's what my mindset. Interesting. Yeah. I just kind of wondered, yeah, I just wondered like, yeah, was it like real intense or was it not really, it was just you guys having a good time? Yeah, it was a great time. I mean, yeah, I mean, there wasn't too much strictness with it. Like my parents are just, they're always, I mean, I was a pretty good kid. I didn't really do a lot. Like I was very nice. I played football, basketball, and then I came home and I played Halo 3. That's about all I did. Oh, dang. It's pretty easy. I was low key. Were you? Yes, very. My sister wasn't, but you know,

Starting point is 00:33:52 you can have her on the podcast and discuss that. Yeah, maybe sometime. That'd be interesting. So what else? Oh, I was thinking about this dude. Oh no, there was one more question on what it asked. Oh, but y'all's family seems really close. Very. Yeah, we just always have been. It's just, it's yeah, mom, dad, me and my sister. So it's like, we moved around a bunch. I went to like, I went to like 15 different schools, school districts, basically growing up. I started in Wisconsin. That's where I was born. Moved back to Iowa because both my parents, their families are from there. I don't know. My mom has nine sisters. So she's one of 10 girls. Wow. I would have loved to live next door, dude. That's funny. Wow. Yes, they lived in like small town, Iowa.

Starting point is 00:34:37 What town was it? Mount Union, Iowa is where it's like Mount Pleasant. It's an hour south of Iowa city where the University of Iowa is. Okay. So it's just down southeast to Iowa. So like we moved back to Iowa, then we just kind of moved around a lot with my dad. He just wanted to be close to his job. We had land, didn't like the house. We lived and just moved around a bunch. Interesting. Yeah, my mom went to college in Iowa. I think at like Colen College or so. Co-college? Yeah, Co-college. I've had friends that go to Co-college. Yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, that's cool, man. Co-college is an interesting town. Yeah, it's interesting. I like Dubuque maybe a little bit more. That's where my wife's from. Really? Yeah, on the border. I like Dubuque.

Starting point is 00:35:09 It's got some really neat hotels and stuff right there along the river. Oh yeah. What is that called? Did you stay in the room where Al Capone was in it, right? Yeah, that's right. I was in that room too. Were you? The Juliet or something like that. Yeah, bring up that hotel. It's Dubuque. Dubuque, Iowa, like the Julius or Juliet, something like that. Yeah, it's a cool hotel. One of my buddies got married there. Oh wow, yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah, Mark Twain I think would write a lot about that area and stuff. It was really... Well, Dubuque's around the corner, so like you cross the bridge into Illinois or Wisconsin. And so it's kind of a cool area. I didn't know that. Yeah, there's just big bridges that go across. Hotel Julian maybe? Julian. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:35:45 that's it. That's it. I was close. I got the jewel right. And it's haunted. It says, read it about Al Capone. He's booking us a damn room, dude. Come on, man. We're just friends. Yeah, no, there was a room that he stayed in that he put like... I don't know if it was a safe or like a closet. It was a hidden door that you'd hide in if cops ever came to the hotel. And so they just leave it permanently open now. Yeah, I was right. There we go. There you go. Hotel Julian Dubuque became known as one of the finest hotels in the Midwest and hosted many grand banquets and famous guests. But all the personages said to have stayed at the hotel. Local lore alleges that when things got hot in Chicago, Capone would travel with his honoris to Dubuque and hide out at Hotel

Starting point is 00:36:27 Julian. Yeah, there's like a hidden room and there's a hidden room in that hotel room and they leave it open like I said now, but it used to like blend in. Oh, wow. It was really cool stuff. That's cool. Yeah, I really like Dubuque though. I just even just walking around the little the downtown. I've really enjoyed it. Dude, you have like this. Do you start to feel like you have like this almost like wrestling type of vibe about you, right? And people have said that you're a wrestling fan. I am. Do you start to... Do you feel like more of a character when you're playing football sometimes these days? Maybe. I think football is a place where like I authentically get a... I mean, I think I'm authentically myself all the time, but the great

Starting point is 00:37:13 thing about football is it's one of the only professions where you get to beat the shit out of someone not get arrested for it. Yeah. There's not very many of those sports, right? Yeah. And so that's really fun for me and like... Except Memphis, maybe. I think you can do it these days. But yeah, I don't think it's like as sanctioned. Yeah, probably not. You know, it's frowned upon. Yeah, frowned upon. But like in the NFL, so like I just get to go out there and I get to hit people. I get to have fun. I mean, I'm playing a kids game doing getting paid a lot of money to do it. So like I'm going to work my tail off, but I'm going to enjoy it at every second that I'm out there because you only get so many reps. There's only so much tread on the tire and you got Tom Brady

Starting point is 00:37:45 who can play for 20 years, maybe 21. And then like, you know, but the average lifespan is like three years. So I'm going to near seven. I'm doing pretty well for myself. So it's like, hey, I'm going to play as long as I can. I'm going to play at a high level as long as I can, but I'm going to have a great time every time I'm out there. And do you feel like it's easier for guys now? Is there more of a like the aspect of it now where, let me think of exactly what I'm trying to say. So it seems like you want to stay in it longer now, right? Everybody's always wanted to stay in it longer, but now it's obviously, it's a bigger business now than it was 20 years ago. Oh yeah. I mean, there's significantly more money in it. I mean, you just saw like two quarterbacks

Starting point is 00:38:24 just got paid over $100 million with like $70 million. The one guy got guaranteed like $83 million. That's more than my entire contract. Wow. That's wild. That's wild. That was Daniel Jones, right? Yeah. Good for him. Happy for him. I love it when guys in NFL get paid because it's really hard to get paid. Wow. And so once, like, I love everybody getting paid. I do not care who they is. If I think they're a good player, if I think they're a bad player, awesome. You got paid. Good for your set for life. Like just don't squander it please. What do you mean when you say it's hard for guys to get paid? Well, like you have to, the NFL is full of like every NFL player college, you have high school, which is like you have hundreds of thousands of kids playing high

Starting point is 00:38:58 school, right? And you just think about like the number, you have millions of kids playing high school, you have hundreds of thousands of people playing college football, there's 1500 NFL players. Like just like the percentage is so small. And then when you get there, like every team has all Americans in college, Heisman Trophy winners. And it's just like, you have to figure out what you do better than everybody else and how to do, like how to do that for as long as you can. And that's kind of what the NFL is like. Surviving in NFL is really hard. Like there's fantastic players and athletes out there that should be in the field and aren't, right? Like that happens all the time. And it's like a lot of guys don't take advantage of that opportunity.

Starting point is 00:39:29 So it's hard to get paid. You have to take advantage of that opportunity when it's in front of you. Are there any players that come to mind when you're like, man, that player, it just, it didn't pay out or they got, there was an injury that happened or? Oh, I mean, like, one of my, let's see, one of my favorite full players of all time was Bob Sanders. He's a safety for the Minneapolis Colts. He played for Iowa. He won defensive MVP one year, but like he just had an assortment of injuries and he would have been in my, he was a first ballot hall of famer. And then he just had all these injuries that he couldn't stay healthy. And then he played in the pros. Oh yeah. He was with the NFL MVP for defense,

Starting point is 00:40:02 like amazing football player as a safety, which is really hard to do these days. And he was incredible. And yeah, he had like a back injury, he had leg injuries, shoulder injuries, because he hit people so hard that he'd be hurt. And it's just like, instead of being a first ballot hall of famer, like he'll always be remembered as a really good football player, but like injury kind of took that away from him. And so he could have gotten paid a lot more money too, probably. That's what's hard. It's like, you have to stay healthy. You have to be in the right situation. You have to make a lot of plays. And you have to get into those like, what are the, what are the years you kind of get paid on? What are some of those levels?

Starting point is 00:40:30 It's like, uh, after most of the time is like, I got paid after year three. Okay. I was on a four year rookie deal. Most of the extensions happen after three years. Or you can after year four, you're a free agent is what you're seeing now. Like that's where the real money is because like everyone's bidding on you. And that's where the good stuff is. But yeah, most guys get paid after three. If you're a first year on draft pick, like teams have a fifth year right to you. And so those first year on draft picks, Matt, I get paid till after year four. But they already got a, you know, first year on signing bonus. So like they're doing well for themselves. I see. Do you think it like, as a player gets into that year where it's like, okay,

Starting point is 00:41:04 the next year they're going to get paid, is it common where guys will kind of, and maybe this is an overall question I was trying to ask earlier where you'll, do you feel like as overall, as the league that the players, everybody's almost like, all right, let's don't go too crazy here today so that we can all play again next year. There is a, I would say a majority of the NFL, like a high majority of the NFL is not trying to hurt other players. I think you have a couple crazy guys that don't care if they do. Like I don't think their intention is I'm trying to blow your knee out. I don't think that's a thing really anymore. But I definitely like, there are, there are some guys who are more conscious about it than other guys. And like,

Starting point is 00:41:42 there's hits that you can't avoid and it is what it is. But um, yeah, I think I was like, I've had a time, this is my third year is like week 15 and I've been healthy the entire year. And I'm, there's a pile right behind me and a guy, and like my legs are pinned. And if a guy wanted to, he could have like literally just thrown me backwards. It's going to be a really awkward fall for me. Instead of like, he grabbed me and pulled me out of the way and he's like, dog, you're worth too much to do that. And I was like, I really appreciate you. Thank you so much. Yeah. It's very nice of you. You're amazing. And so like, I happened to me and I was like, you know, I like, that's kind of how I am too. Like I never want to hurt anybody. Like I cut

Starting point is 00:42:15 block, you know, I have to like, how do you expect? Yeah, I'll do it at the fucking mall, dude. You just dive it a dude's ankle, put your head through his kneecap, you do it like, and there's like, that's football, right? Like, and people want to outlaw certain things. Like I like the, try not to hit them in the head. Like I appreciate that. Like I don't want to get in the head a lot. It sucks. Concussions aren't fun. But um, again, just getting head in the head, but in general, like just kind of sucks. So like guys are conscious about that. I like the protection of the house, but like, there's certain jobs like, there's certain jobs like, Hey, I'm going to cut block you and I'm going to hit in the knees. And you know, I don't like try to hurt anybody

Starting point is 00:42:49 through it, but like just, it's a part of the game. Yeah. So it's kind of weird. But like I said, it's violence that's appreciated by everybody. Yeah, I think that's true. So you have to, does it almost start to feel like wrestling then at some point late in the league? Like or like to an extent, like there's, there's a lot, like there's, yeah, I would say to an extent. Like I would say there's a handful of us out there who are treating it like wrestling to an like, you know, having fun out there like that. But uh, I mean, everyone's just, everyone's out there. Everyone wants it. Like everyone's goal is to win a super. I mean, I hope everyone's goal is to win a super bowl. Like that's what my goal is. And then whatever comes with that,

Starting point is 00:43:22 but like, I'm not going to go out of my way. Like, you know, to inflict too much pain on somebody, but enough. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause I think, yeah, I wonder if it used to be different, you know, I think back in the day, they cared less about each other, but there's a lot more going on back then. Like a lot of dude, did you ever see the clip of, it was on Instagram, but it was like the 1980, maybe like 1990 highlight for like, or CBS month, like a Sunday football or something like that. And like the whole highlight video is just like guys getting their knees taken out, guys getting thrown onto their heads, like just getting smoked and like every, every highlight in that like cut up is illegal in today's game, which is crazy,

Starting point is 00:44:00 but guys used to get messed up back in the day. But then you have to take in like, are the guys that played in the, if you play in the NFL, you're like, good for you. You were good athlete. Like you played at a high level. You played with the best, but like the game in the eighties and even the nineties is way different than it is today. Like just the athletes too. Like you got guys out there running for two forties, like left and right in the eighties, I had, you might've had one guy in the whole NFL that could do that. But now it's like every team has three guys. It's just crazy how the games evolved. And now like, look at like, you guys, you guys like Miles Garrett, that dude's six, five, 280 pounds. And he's just muscle with five percent

Starting point is 00:44:33 body fat. It's just like, he didn't exist. They didn't exist. Right. He didn't exist 20 years ago. That's crazy. They didn't even exist. Yeah. Like he just didn't, like that wasn't a thing or like you might have one in the entire NFL, but like now the like guys that look like that are everywhere. I have like five guys in my locker room that if they wanted to, if they punch me in the face, I could die. It's wild. I'm just like, oh my, like his fist is the size of my entire face. And he could kill me with one punch. It's kind of weird to go to work with people like that. Yeah, I bet. It's weird. Oh, I would keep a little treat bag on me like they do it, like with the raisin, uh, you know, somebody that's raisin. Some skittles.

Starting point is 00:45:08 Yeah. Just something. You want a Kit Kat bar? I'd give him probably a decent meter or something. I'd give him a damn waggo at that level. You got to keep him, please. Yeah. Hey, what do you want to bottle tequila? Wine? What do you want? You want canvas? Yeah. Hey, Ron, calm down on this next play a little bit. Hey, dude. Just satiate him. Thank you. Yeah. Um, that's funny. You were talking about having, I, I read something somewhere you were, you were thinking that they should have an extra bi week, right? Oh, I'd love to talk about this, Theo. Yeah. So we, we, the NFL, it starts in, I see, I leave for training camp July 24th. Okay. And what is it now? January, February.

Starting point is 00:45:43 It's like March, we're in March sometime, but so you're reporting July 24th and my season technically ended on January 29th. That's a long season, right? Okay. So you have five months off. Ish, but like we have spring football that starts April 15th and that's two months. Oh, dang it. What do you have to do there? Uh, it's not, it's not as much contact, but you're just the first like two weeks is just working out, like getting you into shape. And you have to be there. Uh, physically you can zoom. No. So, uh, it's, it's not mandatory. One of those things, like they want you there. Um, some guys have workout bonuses in their contract so they can only miss so many days, but like their coaches want you to be there.

Starting point is 00:46:24 If you're a vet, like there's going to like Trent Williams probably won't show up, you know, for a couple of weeks because like he doesn't really need to get better at football. Not going to lie. Like he's probably the best football player in the NFL. Okay. It's our office of linemen or left tackle, but like there's certain guys that don't do OTAs. Um, but it's really beneficial for young guys because you just learn the playbook, you go through the meeting. It's kind of like, uh, if you haven't really been in the NFL too much, it's kind of like a, just like a boot camp. It's a boot camp for the season. Yeah. Just kind of gets you ready for it. And like there's a, there's one week that's mandatory

Starting point is 00:46:52 at the end of it that everybody has to go to or you can find, but it's not mandatory. I always go to like the, um, I always show up like May 1st. I'm like two weeks late, usually just because my like, I didn't get, yesterday was my first day in Nashville. Wow. And it's like, yeah, the first week of March. And so like the entire month of February, I was doing stuff, whether it was Pro Bowl, I was at the Super Bowl doing some like gigs, um, working with some of my, uh, marketing partners. And then after that, I did like a 10 day vacation with my wife, because I was like, I haven't gone on a vacation in seven months. So I'd like to go see a beach. Yeah. Sounds really nice right now. So that I went, I, so I did Maui last year.

Starting point is 00:47:28 Hawaii is awesome. Beautiful. So great. It is beautiful. I wish it wasn't as expensive as it is, but like I get it. But like, I don't know. Like there's a beautiful place in the world that I haven't been, but that's one of my favorite places. Like you're in the ocean and there's just massive islands that look like they could move at any second and no, and wreak havoc. Like that's how I see. I'm like, wow, that's some cool stuff. But I was, I wasn't living like, damn, breath of the wild. You're living like Zelda style, dude. That's what it feels like, dude. Yeah. You're thinking like that. That's how I view it. I'm like, is that like a giant Pokémon? Is that going to stand up and come over here, dude? Like that stuff freaks, like that's what

Starting point is 00:48:01 I think about when I'm out there. I'm like, wow, I'm just chilling right now. I know, right? I'm a 13 year old kid, Theo. Yeah. It seems like that. It seems like you're just kind of like living in these crazy adult like dream worlds of a child, but that you're actually getting to navigate through them. That's wild. So, but, so what about that extra bi-week? So you, sorry. Yeah, bi-week. No, it's okay. The season, like January, let's say July 24th, right? And you're like fully practicing, let's just say July, like the first couple of days are pretty easy, but like by August 1st, you're going full speed go from August 1st until if you're in the playoffs or like Superbowl, like it's mid-February. So like your body's just rolling and getting beat up. And so,

Starting point is 00:48:43 and then lat, well, two years ago, they added a 17th game. Oh yeah. Who did that? The money people? You know what? I voted no on it, but it is what it is. It just, it was- Did you guys' vote count? Well, so there was like, it was a new CBA, the bargaining agreement. And they put in, how I understand it and how it was explained to me is like, they kind of just put the 17th game out there. And as players are bored or like the player voted reps, we're like, no, we're not going to do that. And then when they finally gave us an offer, it was kind of like, you're going to accept this or else. And it somehow passed the voting process and then went to the players. And it wasn't, I don't know how well it was explained because it was in the middle of COVID

Starting point is 00:49:25 too. So it's really hard to get a hold of people. Like it was weird. And that was like Zoom, Zoom was just kind of getting along too. So like, it was difficult to, you know, get a lot of people on a phone call. I mean, think about it. There's 1500 guys in the league. They were trying to do like league-wide meetings. Can you imagine 1500 people on a phone call? Yeah, like it, it was crazy. And so like, it was difficult to get all the information out there. So we voted and however many people voted, like there's a possible like 1500 votes, only like 800 people voted out of the 1500 or something like that. And the thing, it passed. And so the 17th game was included now. And so they added a 17th game. And so this is all my theory is if you're going to add a game,

Starting point is 00:50:04 so the week, the season's 18 weeks long, because there's one bi-week for every team, right? If you just add another bi-week and you give everybody two, it'll be a 19-week season. There's more, there's more weeks of football, more money to be made, and your best players are staying healthy. So like, why not just do it? It makes simple sense to me because, and you can just, I don't like any player right now, if the NFL announced like, we're going to give everybody a second bi-week, I don't think anybody would ever complain about that. And like, okay, that makes our season one week longer. Now we're getting done the third week of February. Okay, like maybe take out a week of OTAs and just give us a week on the back end, you know, let guys, you know, go on vacation or

Starting point is 00:50:39 give another guy's week to train. It's like, once you're in the NFL and it's your job, like everybody wants to play football, it doesn't really take me a lot to get motivated to play football. I love what I do and I think everybody else does. So it's like, and there's like young guys, you have to keep them like in line kind of because they don't understand it yet, like OTAs and stuff like that. But if you get like, there's NFL guys are want to show up and they're going to play at a high level because they want to get paid. They love playing on the football field. You feel like a gladiator when you stand in the new Raider Stadium and it's straight up and there's whatever 70,000 people looking down on me. Oh dude, it's one of the coolest feelings ever. Like

Starting point is 00:51:11 you literally look up, kill somebody at halftime. You feel like it, dude. It's really fun. So my whole thing is just like out of bi-week. I don't think anyone's going to get upset about it and your best player is going to stay healthy or longer. You know, I'm a big fan of raising canes, baby. You know that. God, I could eat it every day. I mean, I just, I wish the rate days in a week, so I could eat it eight times a week. That's how much I want it. And that secret sauce, oh, I can just whispers right into my dang taste buds. You know that, that buttery Texas toast, the crinkle cut fries. Come on. And they do it and they do it right. You know, my go-to order is that Caniac combo. And I don't know if you know it, but it's easy to order on

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Starting point is 00:53:56 Is it really tough? Like, Sunday to Sunday? Yeah, on that Sunday to Sunday. It's hard to understand. I'm in a car accident every Sunday, multiple car accidents every Sunday, multiple every Sunday. And like I said earlier, there's a part of luck to it. There's a game. I've had games where I hyper extend my knee and that's going to affect your season. That's going to be there. Or you burst a burst of sack in your knee. That's going to be there for several weeks. And if you get luck, you don't have to deal with that stuff. It's a little bit better, but like you're still getting these car accidents. And like Monday, you actually like Monday, I have to do like a big lower body lift. I have to move. Otherwise you get really stiff and like you get more sore.

Starting point is 00:54:37 So you do a big lift, try to stay a little bit mobile. But Mondays, I usually feel okay. Tuesdays are really, really hard days. And like it's like the second day afterwards, you kind of feel everything. Whiplash kind of. Yeah, it's literally what it is. And like there and some Tuesdays are better than others. Like some like, and especially like if we play on the East Coast, we have a five hour flight back, I get home at 4am. Those are tough. But like you get in these car accidents and like it takes like Thursday to Friday is when I start to feel like myself again. And it's, and then like the longer into this, the more you into the season you get, the more like your body, it's wearing terror, wearing terror,

Starting point is 00:55:10 wearing terror. So like really now, like how I see it is, if I'm not doing football, I'm doing recovery, whether it's tubs, whether it's BFR workouts, whether it's just movement, yoga, red light therapy, saunas, like whatever it is that can make my body hyperbaric chambers are big now, whatever is like available. I, that's all I do. Like I get home from practice, I get home at like, let's just say on a Wednesday, I'll be home at like six, six 30. I'm instantly, my next two and a half hours are rehab and, and like you can do a lot of stuff in the stadium. What I've done is be because I got, I got a contract. So I like, I can afford to have a lot of that stuff in my house now. So then I get home fast. I can hang out with my wife for longer

Starting point is 00:55:51 because it's like my first two years and my first three years in the league, I was at the facility from like, our meeting started, let's say, if our meeting started eight, I'm there from six, 15 until like seven, 38 o'clock at night for like, yeah, it's just, it's a long day, especially. And then like, I want to be home. I want to be with my wife. And so it's just like, I've purchased those things to have in my house. And so I can just, I have a couple of extra hours, but like, literally that's all you do now is rehab and rehabilitation. And there are guys that don't do that. I don't know how they survive. I don't understand it. Yeah, it's, it's actually crazy, like some guys, like they don't have to do all that stuff, but that's something I like, I've

Starting point is 00:56:24 dedicated my, I mean, like the football window is, like I said, the average life span is three years. So I mean, like the window in the grand scheme of my life, my college, my rookie, sorry, my freshman year, I had a coach, David Wright told me this, he was like, he drew on a board is like, if you line here and lie here, let's just say it's a hundred years, right? That's your life. I'll do it so you can see it. A hundred years, this is zero. And like, so here you are, you're 18 years old, you're right here. This four year window of college is this big. And then you have the rest of your life. Why not take advantage of that small ass window, right? Do everything you can to be the best you can do those four years. So now after college, now you get a chance in the

Starting point is 00:57:01 NFL. And now you're getting to the, now it's this big, it's a bigger window, but it's still like a sliver. It's like 12 to 12 years of your life. Yeah, one tenth of your life. And so like, why not put all your effort into being available and being the best player you can possibly be? Yeah. And like, like there are guys like, I don't touch, I don't ski, I don't do anything possible. Like I don't even play, pick a basketball anymore. Like I'm just like, it's not work. You hide and go seek, you think? I could do that. Yeah. Yeah. Free stag maybe. I was a big free stag guy back in the day. Really? Do you ever play ghosts in the graveyard? Like you have one, you play at night and like one person and like, you have to hide. And the whole

Starting point is 00:57:34 point of the game is if they tag you, you're a ghost, we have to make it back to the home base, which is where the ghost counts from. And they, they give you like, you like to go around the clock one time and then it strikes midnight and then the ghost comes for you. Oh, damn. I used to play the hell out of that game. It was so fun. Really? I never got tagged. Ghost in the, really? Yeah. Ghost in the graveyard. So much fun. Damn. That's like, that's what I played when I was like four, five, six. Like that was, that was some of my favorite playing. We didn't play, I don't think we played that. I don't know. They had so many pedophiles in our neighborhood. We didn't even go out. You shouldn't hide. Yeah. Why not get found, dude?

Starting point is 00:58:06 Well, yeah, if you do get found, it's by some bro man who has cable or whatever. He has cable or some bullshit. He's got kick up person. Yeah. It's always just some fucking lie or something. You know, I got two VCRs, you know, and you're like, we can watch movie. You can just look at the other one. You know, just some bait. We have two movies on at the same time. Just to blow a kid's mind, you know, um, that's funny. What were you just talking about right before that though? Oh, the longevity longevity. I was talking about like the window of your career and stuff. Well, it even happens with comedy. It's like, I know it's like, I know when I get back off the, like when I'm on the road, it's like, I know that I have to do

Starting point is 00:58:42 yoga right before I go on stage, right? I'll finish yoga literally probably about nine minutes before I go on and then I'll get in the shower. I'll take like a three minute shower and then I'll get out and it's just, that's my pattern, right? It's like, if I'm up late, I'll make sure that I get eight hours of sleep. Um, wait, so let me ask you this. So, so like football on our game day, right? Sundays, depending on whatever you, like you kick off at 135, 125, whatever it is, the schedule is perfectly adjusted for, they'll, they'll tell you when you should wake up and like breakfast is here. The bus leaves at this exact time and it's, you know, in accordance, like, but it's always the exact, like it's two and a, it's three hours before kickoff. It's two

Starting point is 00:59:22 and a half hours before kickoff and everything is regimented perfectly. And so like I have the, every Sunday, I do the exact same thing from like, I mean, I usually, I'm very, I like my routines like to get into the mindset and to flip the switch to like go out there and play football. And so like from about, yeah, I mean, from Saturday morning until after the game Sunday, like I do the exact same thing every time. Yeah. It's wild. And but like, so like you were saying like you do yoga and you go shower, that habit. Yeah. It's just kind of interesting to hear like how yours is different than mine, but you still have something like that before you go on stage. Yeah. And when I get home, it's like, I'll have to like, I make sure I go to the gym,

Starting point is 00:59:59 I'll make sure I go to the workout with the trainer guys whenever I'm home, right? I make sure I go get the NAD and like, I'll get the NAD and the extra fluids probably, I probably go every other day. Do you? Yeah. And if I don't get an AD every time, I'll get at least the extra fluid every time just to keep myself hydrated. Where do you go for that? I go to Arete. Yeah. Arete? Yeah. Or yeah, they keep changing the name of it, but they, but yeah, it's nice in there. The women in there is good with the needle in there. They're, they're, they're know what they're doing, which is wonderful. You ever have, you ever have a bad like IV experience?

Starting point is 01:00:33 Yeah, dude, I'm one for my buddy. The other day, my buddy, the other day, he fucking, I'm back saying, he's like, yeah, I'll get an IV too. I'm like, yeah, give a boy, right? Bro, this fucking lady put like fucking nine holes and never got it in. And he's like six trim. You can't find a fucking vein on this guy. Dude, that, that gives me anxiety. I don't, I'm not a big needle guy by any means. I had, my first IV I ever got was cause I had to get, I had to get ankle surgery in college. And the first time she missed my vein six times and then she got, and then she called someone else in to do it and they did it and I was fine. A month later, I had to go back and

Starting point is 01:01:12 do the other ankle and the lady got on her first try. There wasn't a lid on it and my blood just started squirting out and I just passed out. Those are my first two experiences with IVs. And so like, I'm kind of shook with them, but I do it like I need the liquid, you need the hydration, like the benefits that they have outweigh my mild uncomfortableness. Yeah. I think that's it. And I start to get over it. I will, what I'll do is when I'm to make them do one, two, three, four, they put the needle in and then I'll like jab my fingers into the side of my head to give an opposite pain. Yeah. So pain transfer theory. Yeah. I bite the shit out of my tongue. It helps dude. I just bite my tongue. I haven't done that. It sucks. Or bite your lip,

Starting point is 01:01:50 either one. I'm not doing, that's crazy. I feel like. It is psychopathic sometimes. Yeah. Next time I see you, you just have eaten your whole lip off. No, I bite the hell out of my tongue of them doing something uncomfortable. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. But I'll do that. I'll like jab. I'm sure the women in there are like, what is wrong with them? They must think men are just the whip because they're like having to give birth or whatever, like pierce their breasts or whatever. But like men and men are like, you know, we can't even take the, take that needle from them. But I do think the NAD is interesting. I noticed with the NAD, I'm able to just go from one, like this exercise, this exercise,

Starting point is 01:02:27 keep going. It's almost like I'm not even in my body. It's like I'm just keep doing it. You're not like, I, I don't do it all the time. I do, I do like it though. Like, I think I was just, I wake up with more energy. Like that's the thing. I just, that's what like, I'll always do it like in the afternoon and it kind of makes me sleepy. Like I'm not gonna lie, but like the next day I feel fantastic and that's kind of how I view it. And I don't do it all the time. I know some guys that like do a thousand milliliters, I'm like, you guys are psychopaths. Like I was doing, I got up to like 500 and I was doing about 22 minutes. I was pretty proud of myself. Damn, that's insane. That was like, that was a couple

Starting point is 01:02:58 years ago. Like now, dude, I can already do a hundred. I'm just like, oh, this is the worst experience of my life. It just burns you down. You guys were doing it five years ago. No, sorry. Like, no, I was doing five milliliters, like two to three years ago. Okay. That's when I kind of got into it. That's still a long time ago. I feel like it's just kind of become popular amongst just like, I'm just a pretty much a regular person. So I would hear about like more knowledgeable, like people are just under maybe six months ago, you would hear about it. I think it just gets promoted a little bit better, like the benefits of it. Like there's our things out there that well, one for athletes, it's legal and it's healthy for you. So it's just like, well,

Starting point is 01:03:30 why would I not do some that's going to help my body and just feel better overall? It is expensive though. Oh my gosh. It's a dollar a milliliter. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's great. It's like printer ink. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Why is that so expensive? It's crazy. It is crazy. They jack it up. I guess if you want to read, you're going to fucking pay for it. But, um, so if you got into wrestling, dude, say after this, because that's what I think I could, you start to become some, some guys, they become some players or some, some athletes, they are also able to become like a character in a way. I feel like you have like the enough energy and like just like this kind of psycho charisma, I would call it where you can also be like a character. Yeah. And it's like,

Starting point is 01:04:19 I do mean it as a compliment, but it's like, so I could almost see you doing wrestling one day. I would love to be in the ring at some point. Really? Yeah. So I've been, I was in a match, uh, it was actually right after I got drafted by the Niners, my buddy was doing a, um, like a local, it was like an hour away from my, from my house in Iowa. He was doing a show and it's actually Seth Rollins, WWE wrestler, it's his wrestling school in Davenport, Iowa, and they put on shows. And so he was in Quad Cities, isn't it? Yeah. Quad Cities. Oh yeah. Yeah. Look at this guy. I love the Midwest. I've been a field of dreams, man. I've been to where the plane crashed, where Richie Valens died and the big bopper. I love that. Yeah. I can't remember the town name,

Starting point is 01:04:59 but anyway, good for you. Midwest is awesome. It's just different. Yeah. It's a lot different than California. It's a lot different than here. I like it, dude. I like some grandmother fucking forcing some cookies in you. You're going to, you're going to eat and you're going to like it. Yes, ma'am. And the roads, the tar on the roads would get all hot in the summer to a bubble. Dude, I fucking love that. And your bike tire would just get all caked up in it today. Oh, that's hilarious. I love that shit. What were you talking about? We're talking about you doing wrestling. So first of all, you went to Seth Rollins, you had a school in Davenport. Thank you. So they put on a show and I got in the ring right after I got drafted and I did, uh, I got to pull

Starting point is 01:05:33 a stone cold stunner on somebody. That was exhilarating. Um, they were like, I want to say there's between 40 to 60 people in this little arena. I mean, and it was like, it was like, literally it was like just, it was a building that had, didn't have, uh, like seating in it. So it was like just an open space, like a rec center. Sorry. Like a rec center. Oh yeah. And there's literally like 40 people in there, maybe. And the pop, everybody's standing up and cheering. Like that was one of the most exhilarating feelings I've ever had in my life. So like literally from that moment, I was like, I get why people wrestle. It is exhilarating. When you get the crowd to go, oh my gosh, literally it's so much fun. And so yeah, like I, I can't wait till I have

Starting point is 01:06:12 the opportunity to get thrown through a table or throw someone through a table. I can't wait. It's going to be amazing. Yeah, that'd be really, really interesting. Do you think who, who from the NFL, if you had to do tag teaming, if you had to have a tag team partner from the NFL, who would you pull in? No, like from like an athlete standpoint, like just football player, I'd pick Trent Williams because he could, he's one of the, yeah, he's incredible. And bring him up and see if you can get him topless or whatever, just because we want to see what he is. Look up Trent Williams back tattoo. His nickname is a silverback. Oh really? He's Luria Guerrilla. Oh dang. Yeah. He's one of the guy, one of the five guys on my team that

Starting point is 01:06:47 could kill me with a punch. Wow. Oh yeah, there it is. That's, yeah. I mean, he's, he's like fully tatted now up top. Oh, that's him. He's big, huh? Yeah. That's young Trent Williams right there, but he, he's a stud, but I would pick him. Now, if I was going to pick someone who I think would do like be a good WWE character, like a be a really good WWE wrestler. I think, I mean, Travis Kelsey, like we'd have a pretty fun, like Titan, Titan duo right there. Yeah. The tightest ends y'all could be called. Ends that are tight. I don't know. Tightest ends. I mean, I think you'll get a new type of fan in the arena. You're not wrong. I mean, and that's fine. What was that fan you? I mean, no, sir. Oh, okay. I love women's, but I think that there is a, there's, I think, yeah,

Starting point is 01:07:36 you could get a whole new, my current profession. I play in tights as it is. So that's a good point, huh? Yeah. I'm used to it, but no, like there are some great characters in the NFL who I think could make easy transitions over. I mean, you saw Gronk did it like he was at WrestleMania several years ago, but did he want it though? Gronk, I feel like gets he like, he gets put in all like everything, you know, he's selling shave lotion, he's selling damn parkers or whatever. I saw him on a, um, somebody had him in a, uh, somebody was doing animals selling puppies or whatever, rescue animals or something. So I think, you know, he's almost does so many things. He does do a lot. And I, it's like, did he want it though? Like I could see you maybe becoming a

Starting point is 01:08:16 member in it. Do you feel like you would just do it as a fun thing or do you feel like it could be something you would actually, I think I would have really enjoyed doing that. Right. Now, like, I will say, like after meetings, like I've got the awesome up to WWE is a fantastic company, like how they organize and run their stuff. Like I've got, I've gotten able to go, I've been able to go to like three WrestleMania's and this literally this last one, like the way that it's ran, pick this up, pick me and my dad and one of my buddies up and my wife. We got to go backstage. I got to hang out with Undertaker, Stone Cold Steve Austin. I got to meet all these like people that I'm a huge fan. And then also wrestlers were like, when they're behind the scenes,

Starting point is 01:08:46 like they're just, they're normal. Like I'm an NFL football player and people see me like, oh my gosh, some like, some like kids are like, oh my gosh, it's George Kittle. Like that's how I was a kid, like NFL players are kind of superheroes. That's how kind of I am with wrestlers. I'm like, it's so cool. But as soon as you get them off the stage, they're just normal people like the rest of us. So just like, just have a conversation with them. They're all so cool. Like multiple guys are just hanging out with my dad, talking about random stuff and like being able to have that access is so much fun. And so like, that's part of the reason that makes me really want to, you know, try it. And I think I would enjoy it. But I'm sorry, I was going to say is

Starting point is 01:09:15 like their schedule, like they're on the road, 320 days, they don't get enough credit for their schedule. Oh my gosh, like if they're doing the, because you, everyone, you see Monday Night Raw, you see, I think AEW is on Wednesdays. And then you have Friday Night Smackdown. And then you have, if there's a pay-per-view, it's on Saturdays or Sundays. And then you don't even count the ones that aren't on TV. There's like two non-televised shows a week. Yeah, there's like AEW. There's a couple of other ones. But like, no, WWE puts them on. They'll do like, they'll just still go, they'll go like the Dubuque, Iowa, and it won't be on TV, but it'll be in that air or whatever arena that is. And they're just selling tickets. And they're just selling tickets to put on the show.

Starting point is 01:09:50 So it's for local shows. And so it's a much smaller production than like the live TV ones. But I've gone to a couple of those and they're still really fun. But it's just like this, they're, they're in the ring, like I perform once a week, they're in the ring. And we're, yes, there's a script to it. But like, you can't fake falling off, like getting thrown through a table. You can't fake jumping off the top rope to the ground, which is a 10-foot fall. Yeah, it's like, even if you went to Phantom of the Opera, but what if people are beating the fuck out of each other during it? Yeah, like, come on, like, it's going to hurt that girl. So like, that's why I've just had, I have appreciation for wrestlers because it is a grind.

Starting point is 01:10:22 One of my buddies, like, he's been doing it since like, he stopped playing football with us. So like, let's just say six years, he has driven, like he lives in Davenport, Iowa, and he's driven probably, I mean, he goes to Maryland to wrestle, Florida to wrestle, California to wrestle, Arizona to wrestle, Nashville to net, like, and he just drives. He doesn't fly. Well, that's another thing. They make them drive. George, they get to a lot of these guys, they get, they land, they go to Avis, they go to the rental. It is a, you have to, it is a grind. It is on you. Yes. It's on you to show up and be available to wrestle. Like then you have like, and like the superstars in WWE, like they probably, they fly and they do stuff, but like, a lot of

Starting point is 01:10:59 people, they just drive, match the match week to week, year to year. And not even the superstars, like I'm friends with the Miz who's a wrestler, right? Yeah. Oh, the Miz is great, man. Great energy. You guys a little bit remind me of each other a little bit, actually. I think that's a compliment. Yeah, it is a compliment. I like the Miz. He's great. He's good people. I love how big of a football fan he is. I do appreciate it. He is. He's a good dude. He, but he would talk about how like you had to like pay your, I mean, you would, he's like, you get there. There's fans that are excited about the airport, but then you just, you have to go get your rental car. You have to fucking get in. You have to drive two and a half hours. Then you have to go, uh, run through

Starting point is 01:11:34 the script in the ring. It's like, I'm like, damn, that's a lot. That's a lot. And then you have to perform. Yeah. Think about it. Like, think about, like, and you have to put oil on your body. Y'all, dude, like at the, like you, like us, like you'd have to wet your hair back and like, so it doesn't get all on your face. And then some of those guys are out there performing, like, not every match is like super long, but like there are guys that go out there and do like the 25 minute matches. Like that's a lot of cardio. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's like two more. Yeah. Yeah. I mean an orange theory, but people are beating the fuck out of each other in it. With chairs. Dude, it's nuts. Just like the time that it like the time and then like the physicalness

Starting point is 01:12:08 and like, they don't get time to rehab and like do all that stuff. They don't have access to all that stuff. Like I have a facility I get to go to every day. Yeah. They're at the hotel pool. Like they're at the hotel hot tub. Hopefully it has a bathtub so I can take a hot bath tonight to warm up my legs. Yeah. It's crazy. You probably go to the, yeah, you go to like the ice machine and you open it up and, uh, you know, half of the hearty boys are there or whatever. This is crazy. Yes. I think it's a tough, it's a really, really tough gig. I just think there's a lot of things that are a little bit behind the scenes of a lot of performances that you just see the, the show. Yeah. And you don't see like a lot of the other stuff that has to go on.

Starting point is 01:12:46 No. Um, dude, I, I like, I always enjoy whenever I'm backstage and you can like catch someone like a, like a tag team with the other tag team fake going through the match. It's so cool to see that stuff. It's just, it's really interesting because I'm like, wow, like there's a lot of intricacies to this and like there's a, because there's always a build up to the match and then like you just, for them to know it and because it's not memorized, but like they're out there trusting each other that the guy's going to do what they expect them to do. Yeah. It's crazy. And if you have to memorize something and you're dumb, it's fucking hard. Oh my gosh. It has to be so difficult. Oh dude, I was, you know, I wouldn't say I'm,

Starting point is 01:13:21 yeah, I'm like kind of, you know, but I've definitely been dumb and I'd have memorized shit and not done it. It just, it's like, there's like, there are some things that are just hard and it is what it is. Dude, remember studying in high school when you like, you closed the book and like, I have no idea. I studied for 90 minutes and have no idea. Oh my gosh, dude. That was, yeah. Like, I'm like, okay, where I just, there's two hours. Okay. And now I got to go do the whole thing again. Cause I forgot what I just read. Sick. Awesome. Oh my God. I was a big, I had to highlight everything and then I'd have to go back and then read the highlights. And then sometimes you'd be like, why did I highlight the whole page? I might as well not have a fucking highlighter.

Starting point is 01:13:57 I should just read the whole thing again. Oh my God. That was the worst. Oh my goodness. Yeah, dude. You're the only one refilling your highlight. I'd be sitting there and like, the only that wouldn't be highlighted is like the, like I skip that word and I was like, well, though the other things are pretty important. So I guess I don't need a highlighter. I'll just read the whole thing again. You'd even highlight the picture. You'd like draw like a highlighter around the picture. This and this flip it. Oh, that page too. Okay. Oh my goodness. Hey, could I snag a water by chance? Yeah, for sure. Please. And thank you. We got another. Do you have to pee or anything?

Starting point is 01:14:34 Thank you for asking. It's very kind of you. Oh, well, it creeps me out being around somebody that has somebody has a full bladder and they, and they're just like to be talking to someone and they're knowing that they're full of pee at the same time. Something about that creeps me out. Dude, I am mildly like, what's it called? What's like if you're doing like, like tight spaces, claustrophobic claustrophobic. Yeah. So like airplane bathroom, airplane bathrooms, I don't do all of those. It is weird in there. Dude, it's super tight. So like, I go five hour flights without going to the bathroom. Wow. Constantly. But you could probably hold a lot more urine than a regular person.

Starting point is 01:15:12 Sure. But like, I mean, like there are guys that go two to three times on a flight and like, I'm still hydrated. It's not like I'm not drinking water. Like I go through like two of those big essential bottles, stuff like that. And it's just like, no, I'm just uncomfortable. I'll hold it. I'm good. Why just ride the bag? Just ride it. And like, there are times like, and luckily, in the last like two years, like we've like kind of like changed the plane that we were on. So there's a bigger bathroom. So I feel less bad about it. But like, it's still like, it's, it's not my favorite thing to do. I get, it's weird. I don't like small clothespaces. Like you,

Starting point is 01:15:40 I don't think you could pay me an amount of money on a submarine. Oh yeah. Can you imagine going down like a thousand feet underwater and if anything happens, you're just implode and you die? Well, first of all, it seems so dumb. Why would you do it? Why would you go down there? Like, what were they doing down there? Like, like 50 years ago too. Like, right? Like 40 years ago. Like, what are we doing? Like, and like, who's like, who built those? Like, this is going to work. How many, how many people got into a submarine and went down five hundred feet like in the prototypes? And it just imploded on him. Like, that wasn't the right model. We're going to fix a couple things.

Starting point is 01:16:14 Like, who's the test dummy for that? Also, you put like seven guys in a fucking tank, right? And if they pop up in another country, they're going to get like, there's seven of them. Yeah. What's going on? And then lying to your wife the whole time. That's gotta be the hardest part. Where were you? Yeah. I don't know. Underwater? Yeah, let's just say I'm underwater. I'm hanging with the boys. I don't even want to hang with the boys, dude. But yeah, no, like, so yeah, I'm mildly claustrophobic and it's just like, I don't. What about that helmet though? No, it's just, it's where my body like, I've been in a lot of MRI machines, like just been footballing. That's just my job.

Starting point is 01:16:53 Like, I get banged up. There's certain things you got to look at. I had, at the combine before my Ricky year, I had to get like six MRIs in one night. It wasn't really fun. But one of them was I had to do both my shoulders because I've both my laberums, I tore them in high school. I never had surgery on them. And so like, I've never really had shoulder problems. I can't throw football very well. But like the NFL teams wanted to see MRIs of them. They wanted to get their own pictures. And so they put me in this, a smaller MRI machine and I had to sit like this. And it was an hour and 45 minute MRI because they did both shoulders at once.

Starting point is 01:17:25 And that was, that was a very difficult time for me. Like I was, I took, I sleep in memorize too. For some reason, the noise like knocks me out, but I woke up with about 45 minutes left. And I like, you know, like, have you ever been in MRI? Oh yeah. Yes. But like, you know, like, you can squeeze the panic button basically. It took me a lot to not squeeze that button. Like it was, that was, that was one of the most claustrophobic I've ever been. It was awful. I was in a full sweat. There wasn't a fan. So it was hot, full sweat. I was like, oh my, it, getting out of that was one of the best moments of my life. Like an escape room kind of. Dude, it was just like,

Starting point is 01:17:56 the worst one and it's like $10,000. Like, okay, here's one. Would you rather drown or get buried alive? Well, let me think about it for a second. All right. Let me think about the second one. What was the second one? Buried alive or drowned? Yeah. Let me think about buried alive. Like, you're in a wood box, 10 feet underground. Oh, bro, put me a little closer. No, 12 feet. You ever see Kill Bill when she breaks out and climbs out of the hole? I don't know if I have or not. I don't know which one that is, but there's a scene where she's literally in there and she's like punches the box, breaks through and she climbs out of a grave. The more you give me, the scarier it is for some reason. Like, you're okay. You're not getting out of the box. There's

Starting point is 01:18:42 nothing you can do. You're not getting out. But at least just put me at two feet. So I feel like I can. You're not getting out. Oh, you're sick. You're not getting out, dude. So these are conversations I have with my friends. So buried alive, right? Yeah. So alive, you're going to be in there. You're going to coffin basically. Right. But you're going to be able to, first of all, you'd be able to convince yourself, okay, I'm doing like a cleanse or whatever. I'm dieting. No, like a guy literally just looks and he goes, you're going to go in this box. I'm going to put you in the ground. Okay. You're not getting out. And that's it. And there's no chance you're getting out. What would you rather do? I put me in the water, man. You think? Will you just go to sleep?

Starting point is 01:19:20 You just pass out. No, you don't pass out, dude. You ever been? No, but like, think about you, like that's what, isn't that like the Navy seal strain? They drown you and then they resuscitate you? No, that's, I think that's like the mob or something. No, that's a real thing, dude. Look, yeah, that's a real training thing. Do that. Look it up. Navy seals drowning one another. That's a thing, dude. I swear to God. Really? No, probably. I mean, who knows what the fuck they're doing now. Well, so like, you have to be prepared for anything. And then you got to, like, you have to save your teammate's life, shit like that. And so, but sorry. I was like, I would rather, I think, just go under water and pass out from not being able to breathe because

Starting point is 01:19:59 it's loss of oxygen. But that's not, you could be alive. You could be in that box for 24 hours. 20? What are you? No, like days. Think about it. You could be in there for days. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You could be in that box for days, dude. You're not going to be in the, yeah. Wouldn't you? Oh, does that sound terrible? I don't know. How big is it? How little is the box? Like, you have like two inches on each side. Oh, God. I thought you meant like one of those Aaron Rodgers drug boxes that he was in. Yeah. What do you think he did in there? Oh, I'm sure. Well, I don't know if he did like Iowask. I know he was like. Wouldn't it be aggressive to do like a, like a heart socket deli in that area? Like being in that

Starting point is 01:20:31 dark hole. Well, I think it was, I think it was like a nice enough room. I think it was, the room was like about this. It was probably about 300 square feet. So I think it was. Like no, like, I don't know, man. In the dark though. That's not for me. Like that, I under, like I, I don't understand it. Like I appreciate him for like, you know, good for you for wanting to try that. I don't know if I will ever do that, but. Which okay, it was something. Yeah. The depth, I think it was about like a site depravate or like just like what would happen if you don't, if you're not without the stimulus, you know? Yeah, for sure. And like there's no phone, there's no communication with anybody else. Like you're literally alone with your thoughts.

Starting point is 01:21:05 You're alone with your thoughts, which is. See what your thoughts are. Yeah. It's just like, cool. For him, like, I don't know how old Aaron is, but he's been in the league for a long time. He's going to be in the hall of fame, right? So it's just like, he has a Super Bowl. He has what, I think he has multiple MVP. He's like, he's a hall of famer. So like, do you want to continue to play football? He doesn't like, I mean, I like. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to. So it's like, do you, do I still want to do this? Like, do I still love the game that I, you know, that I grew up playing? And so, and I don't know if that's what his reasoning was, but like,

Starting point is 01:21:34 I think that's what it would be. And so like, if that's what you want to do, like to get along with your thoughts, I, like, I get that I'm not ready for that. Like I don't need that in my life right now. But hey, maybe when I'm 35, like maybe that's maybe that's something you want to do. So like, I'm not going to judge it for it. It's wild. And now I know about it. And like, well, I have that in my back pocket. If I ever just want to disappear for four days. And it's brave of him kind of in a way to do it because a lot of guys are afraid to, I think, you know, I know he's friends with Aubrey Marcus, and they, Aubrey's big into like psychedelic medicines and like, just like templates of

Starting point is 01:22:08 therapy and stuff like that, right? Huge into it. Like just different types of therapy. Oh, even all types of stuff, like, like muscle, like, like, even like being under the influence of certain things, and then like doing certain things to your muscles to release like memories, like, and this is like all I'm paraphrasing, but Aubrey's deep into that world, right? And I think a lot of guys would be, especially at Aaron's level of popularity, he's famous, famous, right, would be embarrassed to not embarrassed, but would probably feel uncomfortable talking about that. Especially he brought me, he brought it up and he talked about it, like on the Pat McAfee show too, the boys love them. But like, they, uh, like just to bring that up and

Starting point is 01:22:45 like, and it's Aaron Rodgers, like everything that he says on to the media, like everybody, you know, dude, that's all they got everybody. It's a clip. Like any, if he says anything out of, like, out of line or kind of controversial, like that's a headline on hundreds of newspapers or like online, online newspaper. So it's just like, for him to go out and say that. And like, that was the only thing anyone talked about for the next three days. Oh yeah. It was crazy. All over social media, like the meme pages, everyone making fun of them for, but like, for him to go out there and talk about it, like, I didn't even know that was a thing. And I'm kind of, that's cool. Like, I, again, not for me right now, but the fact who knows, like, I might want to do that someday.

Starting point is 01:23:18 Yeah. Yeah. They have all types of things like that. Like there's like a camp you can go to where no one talks for like a week. And then I think you can do like, are you still interact with people? Yeah, you still interact. And I can do two weeks. So it's like charades, I guess. Whoa. So like, if you know sign language, is that cheating? Oh, I don't know. But you'd have to bring someone that also knows it. Otherwise, otherwise people would have taken you into some fucking, you're like, just like in a bunch of gangs. Just throwing stuff. That's funny, dude. But um, that's cool. You want to go to one? Dude, I would go. I bet it would be something really cool to do probably with a friend or

Starting point is 01:23:56 your wife or something. Like, that'd be interesting. Just be interesting. Like, hey, let's just go have this weird experience. It's going to be fun. We're going to be around each other, but we can't talk for a whole week. It's going to be really weird. Yeah. It'd be really, really weird, you know? I don't know. I don't know if my wife would like that too much. But I think like, I would bring like one of my buddies on that. Like just, I think I would try to make him talk and try to make him laugh. That would be you. Yeah, but you can't be that weird. It was fucking tickling some dude in the distance all the time. I mean, you can if you want, man. That's your call. It's on you, man. People are just staying away from you the whole time. You're just

Starting point is 01:24:29 the guy kind of trying to get people to squeal. Like, who's this fucking silence and anarchist over here? But Aaron Rodgers is also interesting. He's not married. No. So it's kind of, how old is Aaron Rodgers? I'm going to guess 36. Okay. So he's getting to be at a point in his life. It kind of seemed like he's just, he seemed like he's definitely kind of a searcher kind of dude, you know? Yeah. I think, I think look like 39. Yeah. He's 39 years old. I will like, I think at his point in his, I mean, again, like, I have no idea. But like, at some point, football is not the only thing in my life, right? Like, I'm not just a football player. Like, there's more sides to me than that. And I think he's been playing football since he was probably five, seven years

Starting point is 01:25:12 old for the last 30 years. I bet you he wants to find out like, who else, like, what are the parts of me? Like, what else do I love as much as football? It's a good point, man. I think that that's, I think that probably happens for a lot of guys who get stuck into one or who start so young in something. Yeah. Because then you're like, at some point, you're like, as a, did I get put into this? Did I really, obviously, I've loved this at certain points and it's been a great big part of my life. But are there other things, yeah, that I want to do that I don't even, I'm so, been so stuck in this vein that I don't even know what they are? Yeah. Like you just, you missed it. You missed that window. And like, granted, like, I don't know if

Starting point is 01:25:54 you would, like, I wouldn't trade my opportunity. Like, I love playing football. Like, who knows? Like, there could be something else that like, I might have loved to do it if I just would have given it a shot. Like, maybe I loved La Crosse. Maybe if I like, yeah, I mean, like, what if I did that? Or like, what if I wanted to just like be the Britney Griner of fucking La Crosse? I think, dude, you'd have been a fucking gangster. That's a fucking compliment. I appreciate that. Oh, dude, you would have been insane in La Crosse, dude. Yeah. But it wasn't offered where I lived. And so, like, who knows, like, I could have enjoyed that. Like, I don't know. So like, maybe he's like, at some point, you want to figure out what else, what else you love? You know, I think that a lot

Starting point is 01:26:24 about like, even some of my friends that are athletes that are black guys, actually, sometimes I think, because a lot of young black men, they didn't have any other opportunities, except for athletics. That's it. So I start to wonder sometimes, like, if that's even a bigger thing in there, sometimes community, or that you'll start to see like, because they didn't have any other choice. No. Or there weren't as many options to get. Not as many outlets. Right. Not as many outlets. Like, I mean, and less opportunities to. Yeah. So it's like, damn, I wonder how many of those guys start to feel like, man, is this something that I even wanted to, even not wanted to do? Was it more like, do I love the game? Or is it like more?

Starting point is 01:27:00 This was the only choice I had. That was my, like, that's what I had to do. It's kind of interesting. It is interesting. I think, I think, well, one, like, football is really hard if you don't love it. Like, it's really, because like, what you put your body through, what you put, like, the stress levels through, like, we put our, like, I know every, like, our professions, like, when you're out there, you know, if you're like, to perform and like, that's how, like, people watch you and stuff like that. It's like, there's a stress that comes up because you can make one bad play. And like, that's the only thing everybody on Twitter is yelling at you for and telling you that you're a piece of shit. And so, like, there's a, there's a mental

Starting point is 01:27:30 stress to it. There's a physical stress to it. Time away from your family. Like, I just said, like, I, I have my nationals, my home. I haven't, this is my second day back since July 24th. That's so what? Wow. Yeah. So it's, it's crazy. And I love it here. Like, I love Nashville. I love being a part of this city. And I live in San Jose, California for seven months out of the year. So it's, it's wild because it should, yeah, that's just, it blows me away. Yeah, you know, even, yeah, I mean, I can relate to a lot of that. I love being here. And I feel like I kind of get to know it in increments because I'm always going to be going, it's very hard for

Starting point is 01:28:03 me to start a relationship with someone that I know I'm going to be able to upkeep. You know, it's like, I've already kind of written off that I might even be able to, you know, I would like to have a spouse, you know? And so it's like, I think maybe there's a possibility in the next year and a half I'll meet somebody, but I know for the next year and a half, I'm probably going to be touring a lot. And so it's like, I haven't written it off, but it's like, I know it's going to limit my chances. For sure. If I'm in the same place, being able to like, have a commitment that I'm there with all the time, you know? Yeah, no, I do get that. And it's also, but like, you have to be kind of selfish because this is your window of opportunity, right? Like, if it's, it's out there

Starting point is 01:28:40 for you and like, you could say no, but like, will that opportunity ever come again? Yeah. Right? So like, might as well take advantage of it. And like, you know, it's that you don't like, not everybody has to do that. And like, it's, it's a life choice. If you want to do that and you're making sacrifices, but it's like, I mean, dude, like it's, if you like, if you enjoy doing it, go do it. And like, you can pause for a year and a half. Like, you're still like, you're still going to be here. It's scary though to do it. So if I said George Kittle, won't you take a year and a half off, right? A football or off of like, oh, no, that, no, that's what I was talking about dating, taking a year, a year and a half off of dating. Like, oh, right. I see what you're saying.

Starting point is 01:29:13 I thought you meant to get a year and a half off of doing comedy and stuff. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Like, I'm saying, see that. See it. Take advantage of your opportunity, dog. It's right there. Go do it. You're doing a great job. So just keep doing it. Well, thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah, I, but it's interesting. It's like, uh, yeah, you have to look at that and kind of figure that out. Um, I have to pee real fast. Go for it. All right. What, um, do you do some drinking? What is it? It's just sell, it's like, has a little bit of caffeine in it. So it's just called Celsius. I like it. My friend Dustin Poirier drinks it. Oh, really? That's how I learned about it. Do you watch any UFC? A little bit. I'm involved with

Starting point is 01:29:55 PFL, the professional fighters league. Oh, really? Yeah. Got into that a little bit. And they do what? Fighting? It's the same thing? Yeah. It's the same thing. It's kind of a tournament style though. So like, it's like they have, so if you win the first round, you just move on the second round, that's how they, that's how they decide who wins the belt. Oh, wow. It's kind of cool. It's on ESPN plus, I think. Yeah. PSPN plus. That seems a lot more almost realistic in the, what the value of the belt is. Yeah. That's what, it's cool. Again, and I'm not like, I'm not huge in the UFC stuff. Like I'll watch like the big fights. Like I enjoy watching that. Um, do I don't follow it religiously? Like a lot of people do, but, um, I, I mean, I have the utmost respect

Starting point is 01:30:29 for those people because it's insane. Oh, it's crazy. Q, like they, like that when they go into the ring, like when they flip the switch, there's no like, there's no buffer. It's like, I'm trying to kill this person. Like in football, like it's, it's a little bit like you have that mindset to an extent, but like they're actually in there until someone pulls them off of them. It's crazy to me. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. There's, it's a different level of, um, of violence that you're willing to do. Um, we have a friend, Drake, you know, Drake, yeah. I just did his podcast. You did? Yeah. Washed up walk-ons. Oh, it's so cool. 400th episode, man. That's pretty impressive. Oh, congratulations, dude. I love Drake. He's such great energy, dude. Dude, he is, bro. There's

Starting point is 01:31:09 something of, yeah, he's like, he reminds me of like, he reminds me of a mankind a little bit. For sure, dude. He's a psycho. Well, so here's a fun Drake story. Um, my senior day in college, he played fullback with me in Iowa. That's how I know him. Oh, that's how you guys know each other. Yeah. And so also then like, I was number 46, he was number 45. And so our lockers were next to each other for like three or four years. That's how they do it by numbers. And I, when they, and we got a new locker room, our old locker room, it was like, you would go, uh, it was like one through 50, and then like every other number was 51 through 99. Okay. And so like it'd be one, and then it'd be 51, two, 52. Oh, like probably people, some people would quit because of that.

Starting point is 01:31:49 It's confusing. It was weird. They're lockers. But like, then the new one is like one started here and it just kind of went around. And so, yeah, so 45, 46 were next to each other. So we became friends. And then, uh, this past, oh, sorry, my senior day, uh, so my fifth year senior were playing Nebraska and we beat the shit out of him because, uh, Oh, cause Wil Compton. Oh, no. So he beat Iowa once. He always talks about that or something like that. I don't know. He's always talking about something, dude. He's, he always talks about something. It is what it's called, but he looks like a premature baby on fucking pre-workout. Oh, well, that's funny. Well, he always looks a little premature. Like his eyes don't open all the way or something. That's really

Starting point is 01:32:29 funny, dude. Wow. Well, that's tough for you dog. You went to Nebraska and you look like that. That's super tough. Well, sorry, but I wouldn't say, I mean, I didn't say any of that. No, you didn't. No, what are you talking about? No idea. Who said that? Yeah. But sorry, but, uh, Drake, yeah. My very first play, we're running an inside zone. He's at fullback and I'm blocking somebody and I just hear a snap and I turn around and Drake's leg is twisted. He broke himself. No, he like, he, hey, he hits, he hits somebody and then someone landed on it and just snapped in half. First play. Cause he's nuts. Oh, he's a psycho and it's awesome. But there's a cool, we have a cool photo where it's like, he's getting carted off and he's basically like telling us all to beat the shit

Starting point is 01:33:08 out of him. It was pretty awesome. Pull it up. See if you can just fill up Drake. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I know. Drake. Cool. Like, or we're in it together. It's a fun photo, but I'll say like, he spent this entire last off season. He lived, he moved to Nashville to train with me. So every day, what do you do yet? Cause he invited me out a couple of times to your barn out there. Oh yeah. So he, he came out. Yeah. That's when he broke his leg. Whoa. Yeah. That's super aggressive. Um, I've never seen him without hair. There's us three right down there in the middle left, left, left down. Yeah. That's me. 46. Oh wow. I don't know. There's one older there somehow. Yeah. Well, I don't, and 52 dude, I could have been 52. I'm just saying,

Starting point is 01:33:46 he, I'm just saying thick boy out of Iowa. That's off the line right there. Oh yeah. That's all fucking. Yeah. Well, that's that was us hanging out. I can't look at that boy. But he, uh, yeah. So he came down, he trained with me. Uh, we did four days a week. Um, he was fantastic. And it was always through that he's such a, he's a great dude to have around too, because he's very aware of his surroundings and also being around someone that knows like jujitsu and how to fight. It's really, I enjoy that having someone that he could just flip a switch at any moment. Like if someone tried to fuck with me, he would a hundred percent have my back at any moment. I, I appreciate people like that. And it could be a big dude too. Like the, that value of knowing that

Starting point is 01:34:24 skill and your friends with you, it's well, but also it changes the game of like, if it's a big dude versus a little dude, that game's changed. Dude. Yeah. You're not wrong. I will say, like, it was fun. We went to, uh, in Scottsville for the Super Bowl because that's where he lives now. Uh, I had tickets to, uh, the Drake concert up there. And so I, we go to it and, uh, on our way out because it's, it's crazy. Those concerts, they have, they try to, they pack like 20,000 people into a place that fits 5,000 and like there's, it's just, it's, it's, it's crazy. Um, but like there's like TMZ and all this paparazzi outside waiting for people. And like two guys kind of put my camera in my face and he just kind of goes up and throws an elbow into a rib cage

Starting point is 01:35:07 and the dude just kind of drops, clears a path for me and I get into a car and he stopped right behind me. I was like, you good? He was like, what'd you talk about? Not three under the bus Drake, but that was awesome. It was so sick. So don't get sued, please. Um, no, he would help me out. When I would go to, uh, the national MMA, he would help me all the time and just like always like just a good teacher, but yeah, he has a great energy man and he's still fighting. He's, he's training like full time. Yeah. He sends me clips all the time. I love it. And no, like what's awesome, like he, his, so like, yeah, I keep talking about like the switch that you have to flip his switch, like his football switch is still flipped on and it's just kind of always,

Starting point is 01:35:41 so he just kind of has this like, this anger and like this violence of energy. And I like, I really, cause not everybody's, there's not a lot of people like that. And so being around someone that has that kind of that energy to them, that's just violence. I really appreciate that. And he's a great dude. He's super kind and he's wonderful, but like, like, there's not a lot of people that are triggered like that or like wired like that. And I like those people. Yeah, do you? I do. You like the violence? I like people that are just, I like people that are wired differently. Just high energy? Not even high energy, but he's just like controlled anger. And he's just kind of like ready to go at any moment. And I appreciate people like that

Starting point is 01:36:15 because it's hard to be like that all the time. It wears on you. Oh, I could imagine it's hard to just fucking have all the fire inside of you, but it's just like burning it all the time. Right. But people don't want any fire outside. So you got to fucking just walk around like a furnace. I know. And so like, you either have to put it out or keep it super low, but like his is like at a medium anger all the time. And I really, I like that. That's interesting. That's a great way to describe him. He, yeah, he's a special dude, man. What else was I going to ask you about? Oh, what was it like when you were a kid? Did you like have a, did you have like crazy Halloween costumes and stuff? Like, did you dress up like a fucking? Yeah. What'd you do? Um, so it's fun

Starting point is 01:36:50 fact. My, so I said, my mom had nine sisters. She's one of 10 girls. Her dad was Halloween was his birthday. And so, and it was like, the dad that had nine kids, 10, 10 daughters, 10 daughters. So basically, yeah, his birthday was how we were haunted. That's really funny. That's really funny. That's a good one. I'm going to tell my mom that one. I don't know if that's a good one. I don't know if you say anything here. No, that's really funny. That's awesome. No, but so, and we had like, I would say like, let's just say like six of the, six of the daughters all lived like within an hour or so. So, and they all had kids. And so like, we'd have Halloween parties and like, we'd have like 30 to 40 people show up for Halloween and like 25 of us are kids. And

Starting point is 01:37:29 so we would just basically go through these small Iowa towns with like all these like, just 25 deep. And it was really fun. But Batman was a good, that was one of my top characters to be. I really liked the Grim Reaper. Like I had the, like the nylon mask you'd pull on your face and I just walking out the scythe wouldn't say anything. I was kind of creepy. I really enjoyed that one. The Grim Reaper. Yeah, he didn't get, people don't dress up like the Grim Reaper very often. No, not, not anymore. No, I wouldn't know. I don't, the guy I've ever seen anybody be the Grim Reaper. That was like my number one costume from like five to nine probably. Wow. Love the Grim Reaper. Really? Until I grew out of it. Maybe, maybe like four

Starting point is 01:38:05 to seven, but like, but that's just interesting. I don't know any, I've never heard anybody say they were the Grim Reaper. Dude, you just had a, you had like a skull for a face. You were a cool robe and you just got to carry a big scythe. Yeah. Now it hit my cousins with it all the time. When you have that many fucking cousins, you can, if you lose a few, you lose a few. If someone falls behind, they fall, they fall behind. The pack's still deep, man. Wolf pack, man. You got to survive. That's wild, bro. That's awesome. What was your costume? My costume, let me think. Oh, we got a book. My dad was like a senior citizen, so he would always pick us up shit at the last minute. So we had, me and my brother were both raggedy and one year.

Starting point is 01:38:46 That's awesome. Oh, it's horrible, dude. And we're so pissed. We're in the fucking yard. Just two raggedy hands beating the shit. Two young male children dressed in fucking drag, dressed in Halloween drag, beating the shit out of each other. Just funny. It was always a nightmare, dude. Yeah, we, that's awesome. Yeah. Because my mom would have to work. So my day was, he was in charge of getting us ready for Halloween and stuff like that. And it was just fucking horrible. One time we wanted face paint. We wanted like white face paint and to do, to do like skeletons or whatever, you know, be skeletons. And my dad forgot it or whatever. And so I remember he poured us like a little bowl of like, I want to say, you know, it was like,

Starting point is 01:39:36 he poured us like a little bowl of, of like half and half cream or whatever. So I remember me and my brother like trying to get this shit. And he's like, no, you're not using enough. And I remember fucking just like, then I remember we'd go outside and like all the neighborhood cats are fucking coming over. Like just, just everything was just so retarded. It was just so ridiculous. So it was like, it was always like this weird Halloween. And then Halloween's a crazy concept by it. Anyways, it is kind of crazy. It's good though. I love it. Yeah. Like, be weird. Oh, Halloween was a, yeah, Halloween was good. What else? Oh, what about, uh, what about like, so with that big of a family, did you guys do like big family

Starting point is 01:40:27 events and stuff? Did it get pretty crazy? Every year, it was literally up until, what was that summer, summer 2019, I think it was, we did, we had the Kroger family unit, my mom's maiden name is Kroger, K-R-I-E-G-E-R. And so they, we have a family unit and we used to have it like in Iowa at like this kind of, not, or it was like, I can't remember what it was called, but it was like this small town and it's like out in the woods was like this, just like big building that it was like a little hotel, I guess, but they had like 80 rooms. And so like each family would get a room and we literally, we'd like, I think we had almost the entire family there. Like we had like 112 people there one time and like we do wiffle ball tournaments.

Starting point is 01:41:08 And then like kind of, and I usually did when I was a kid, like, but you'd have, I mean, I'd say like 80 of the people, 80 out of the 120, 80 out of the 110 would play and you'd have these huge wiffle ball tournaments. We do kickball, a lot of card games, but like that was the most fun because I went to those when I was like between the ages of like seven and 14. Oh yeah. Oh dude, so I was just out there having the time of my life, playing in the woods, getting food and then you just get to hang out with all your best friends all the time. And like, I was close with my cousins too, because like I said, we all lived in Iowa. So we're all like, I've lived with some of my cousins before like throughout my life. So it's like, we're all really good friends.

Starting point is 01:41:39 And so like those family unions were really fun. Dude, that's such a, what, that's so amazing. Who gets to have an experience like that? Not very many people. That is that many family members? That close too. Like people would like, we had family that lived in Indiana, family that lived in Colorado, and everybody would always come back from it. But like, I'd say like from age like nine to probably 16, like we had like a seven year window there where like over a hundred people would show up every time. Wow. It was pretty cool. Dude, that's awesome. It was really fun. Yeah, that's just so cool. That's one thing that's neat. I think about a lot of, a lot of the Midwest, they remember some big families, you know, especially a lot of church

Starting point is 01:42:16 families, you'd see a lot of church families and they'd roll up. They'd always had that church van, you know, and they got down. One of my cousins has one of those because he was like, I think they have, what do they have? I would say like 12, 13 kids now. Yeah. They roll up with the white van. It has windows. Those things, goodness. Oh yeah, thank god, dude. Bro, if your family rolls up and when the windows door opens, 20 kids get out. Yeah, that's a kidnapper. So they got windows on their car. Yeah, no women get out, bro. Yeah, that is definitely. Well, it's just like, oh my gosh, they have so many kids and it's like, hey, I love that. I think they're, they're a fantastic family. Oh yeah, it's fun. It's fun.

Starting point is 01:42:53 But it's just like, that's a lot of, that's a lot of people. It's a lot. Do you guys, will you think you guys have a big family? Do you have thoughts about that or not? Yeah, I mean, I'd say like, my wife has one brother, I have one sister, but like we both want to have, I would like three to four kids. That's good. Yeah, that's why, that'd be a dream. Yeah. Be really fun. Yeah, I think it'd be nice, especially if you can, I think these days, especially too, if you can afford to have them, that's probably a big part of it. I was like, my wife, she's six foot tall and she. I've seen her. She played basketball at Iowa, so she's an athlete. So like, I think my kids will be good for college. Actually,

Starting point is 01:43:26 I know they will be their ball, they're going to be ballers. Dude, your kids could go to, yeah. I think year two. But for sure. NIL year two. I mean, two years old. Two years old. They got a Charmin deal, age two. That'd be awesome. Yeah, but yeah, no, I would prefer a bigger family because this was, I was thinking about this too, because like I said, so she's in a family of four, I'm in a family of four. If me and her have four kids and we're a family of six, neither one of us has ever, we've had friends that have families like that, but like, I've never been responsible in a family of four kids. And so like, that'll be a whole new interaction for me. Like, I've never been like, I've never,

Starting point is 01:44:01 I'd never had a brother. So like, I know like, I had cousins that are brothers, I have friends that are like brothers to me, but like, I never had an actual brother. So like, if I have two sons, or can you imagine three sons, like what that was interaction to be like, I've never experienced that before. So like, it'll be a completely new experience for me too, which is, I think that's really cool. Yeah, dude, that'd be, oh, I think it'd be cool. The family dynamics totally different than what I was used to. Oh, yeah, to see what that's like. Yeah. Like, I think that's just going to be really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Having a brother is pretty cool, man.

Starting point is 01:44:28 I know, right? Like, I'm so thankful I had a sister, like she, like she's taught, she taught me a bunch. I definitely like, I didn't fight my sister. She beat the shit out of me sometimes. That was about it. But like, I didn't really have an opportunity to fight her because she was, she was like five, 10 at the age of 10, just whooped up. Wow, was she? Dude, she was like, she was a stallion back in the day. Like, she's like, when she played high school basketball, like, she could fight me and beat me up pretty easily. So like, I was like, yeah, what do you need them? See some of that footage, I think. If she did it in OnlyFans is just that. You want to see my, my 17 year old sister's highlights? I'd watch a 17 year

Starting point is 01:45:01 old girl beat up George Kittle. Yeah, for $9 a month. Young George Kittle. Yeah, sure. You know what? Honestly, it's not that weird. You say it like that. Yeah. Young George Kittle, I'm not saying like, I don't need to re-enact with her any lingerie. I'm just saying. I'll send you a video of my sisters beating the shit out of me in a couple of weeks next time I see her. Um, when you look at, uh, when you, how long does it take you to forget about the season and start to think about the next one? How long does that kind of pain take? I can only imagine, especially if you're a very competitive person. Yeah. And you have such a great, uh, team. What is the, um, how long does that take? How long does that take? Um, honestly, it's like kind of like

Starting point is 01:45:41 waves dude in the ocean. Like right afterwards, like it hits you a lot. And then like the farther way you get from it, the waves don't hit as often. And so you just kind of like, it kind of goes away. But like it's still like, I lost a Super Bowl. It still sucks. Like I don't, like it sucks. Like I wish I would have won it. It would have been really fun. Like that's a dream. Like I said, and when you get close, like we've lost two NFC championships games back to back. Like it sucks, but like the great thing is, is I made it out. Like I just tried to take as positive as I can. I made it out healthy. Um, I can train right away again. We still have a very talented team. And so like, yes, it sucked, but hey, I'm still very confident that we have it. Like we have an opportunity

Starting point is 01:46:21 to win a Super Bowl. So yeah, it really, it sucks, but like you get on with it. And like there are other parts of your life that, you know, like kind of pick you up and like, I have a great support system, whether it's my family or my wife, like I have a great support system. I have great friends. I have a lot of friends who like deal with the same stuff. And so it's just like, I have a lot of football friends who like, so like, it's not a support group, but it's just like, you have people that go through similar stuff. So like you're not alone in it. That's the one benefit of football. Like at the end of the year, there's only one team that wins. So 31 other teams are all dealing with some of the same shit. Yes, you can call us anybody. Literally, it's really hard to win a Super

Starting point is 01:46:52 Bowl. So like, yeah, if you want to talk about it or something like that now, I don't think you really need to talk about it. It's just kind of like, you just got to get, you get, it just takes a couple of weeks really like, like the first two, three weeks afterwards really suck. But like now that I'm back in Nashville and like, I'm like, I said, I'm healthy and I can train. It goes away pretty quick after that. But like the perspective probably starts to switch to the future a little bit. And also, but like if, and like, so my first two years, our team wasn't very good. And so like my, I didn't go to the playoffs. So like when your season ends in like, December, it's, you're kind of like, all right, well, yeah, it kind of, we suck this whole year. But like, you're also like,

Starting point is 01:47:23 when you know, you're not in the playoffs, it's, you're playing for yourself and you've got to put yourself out there and like, you want to, like, you got to put good stuff on tape, like you can't just give up. But like there are like, there's a, the energy changes, the energy changes. And it's, it's harder to get like eating during the middle of the game and no, not like that. But no, I'm just like, just week to week. Like, so like, if you're like an O and 19, like my rookie year, we started O and nine. Oh yeah. Not very fun. But like, and I was just, and I was learning, right? What do you even do? It was brutal, man. It was really fun though, but it was brutal. We had like 25 rookies on the active roster. It was dial, it was wild, but it was really fun. But like,

Starting point is 01:48:01 once the season ends, cause like, you kind of like, all right, we're not going to make the playoffs like three weeks before like your wife or like, you're like, you're playing in a vacation. So you're like, then you have something else to look forward to. It's just, it's different than, right. Then went, then going in the playoffs and like, hey, we have, like, hey, I have an opportunity, like we went the whole season, we're one of the, what seven teams that make the playoffs on my side of the conference, like we have a shot to win. And then it gets taken out from me. And then you're like, damn. But like, if you know, you're not going to be like, it's, it's just, it's two different things. And I've experienced both. And I think it's eat, like, I'd rather

Starting point is 01:48:32 win a bunch of games and then lose a heartbreaker. Honestly, like winning 12 to 13 games is a lot more fun than losing 10 straight. Oh yeah. Yeah. So like, I'd rather do that. Like, and yes, but does it suck to lose at the end? For sure. It sucks a lot, but hey, it's life. It is what it is. I'm just going to continue to grind and continue to be a good football player. Did you think when, when Brock Purdy came in, um, what it would be like and there's a B in here or something, not B, it's just a safe animal. But do you think it's just swirling? Oh yeah, it's probably if I hit it, will Peter get mad at me? Uh, I don't think so. I don't even know who that is. You know what? That honestly doesn't surprise me. Yeah. It's just, I'm so distracted

Starting point is 01:49:12 by this. Oh, you got it. Uh, I'm going to put that outside. Okay. It's not bad. Somebody said Travis Kelsey can do that with a Falcon just saying this is what I've heard. Did you see the clip on Instagram of the dude that hunts with a Falcon? Bro, I've been Falcon hunting before. Like you, and you see, you see something, you just go, wow, it's like a superpower dude. Oh, I haven't seen that. I don't know how I've seen that. That dude, these guys are driving with like a hawker, a Falcon and they're in a car. They stop it or like, I think it might have been an ATV and like they get off and they see something. They, guy like starts running through the snow and they think there's a fox like a hundred yards away and he literally throws a Falcon and it's

Starting point is 01:49:54 like perch on his arm, ready to jump out. Like it's like a swimmer diving out and he just whoosh and you just see him like coast along this like snow bank and just claws pick it up and it brings it right back. Wow. Nuts. I saw, I've, I've seen that clip a ton of times. That thing's crazy. I've never seen that. I don't think I'll send it to you. Yeah, please do man. That would be nice to have. Those clips are, have you, do you fall like nature is metal? Oh yeah. Oh my god. So fucking crazy. It's so crazy though. You're having like a nice evening, you know, you're all fucking to a nice dinner. You pick at the phone and it's a raccoon just eating its young and you're like, Hey George, what's wrong? I just saw, never mind. Phone down. Oh my goodness.

Starting point is 01:50:39 Dude, like that, that page, like one of the, one of the craziest things I ever saw on that page was, have you ever seen like the moose run through snow? Dude, so bring it up. Look at a moose. Jesus, these guys. Dude, I was looking, moose are massive animals. Oh yeah, they're very large. And like there's a clip of this thing running like 30 miles an hour just through six feet of snow. Oh my god. Oh, I'll relapse if I watch this too much. Oh, dude, these things are crazy. I don't know. This isn't the one I've seen, but like there's a white guy eating a sandwich. Here it comes. Look at this. I leave it here. Oh, he's always, oh, he's about to go. I think he just runs right past him here in a sec.

Starting point is 01:51:24 Try that. Oh, we picked the worst video where it's just a guy. It's just two guys eating a sandwich watching a moose. I know here he comes. No, see this is in the clip. I think I saw that. That's a horse also. Oh, there it goes. Oh my god. Like, what is that? That's a dodge ram. Can you imagine if he just like chess it? Like, if you just cut chess. You think you could take it on? No, I'd cut him. I'd go right for his knees. Go right for the things knees and it's probably going to, it's going to knock my window. Give me a concussion, but I ain't going out like that, man. Oh, dude, I'm taking it from the side. Like if I was a safety and that's the Titan crowd across the middle of

Starting point is 01:52:01 the field, I'm going to take a creative angle and try to hit its back two legs, right? The ankles and take it out, spin it out. That's what I would do. You can't take that thing on full. That's like tackling Derek Henry. Remember, if you've seen people like Stiffheart and like, you know, they're just highlights of him slapping him to the ground, that's what that would be like. That's you trying to tackle Derek Henry. I would do some other way to get him, you know. Now, what if you put lice in your field in the grass, they got in his hair at half time, he's itching too much. You can't hold on to the ball. Wouldn't that happen to you too though? True, but you'd risk it. I know, but even maybe as a defensive player, I get that.

Starting point is 01:52:32 I'd be so. You just kind of think of a new strategy. Who wants you to tackle Derek Henry? No one. That sounds off. You got to hit him before he gets the ball. I know. He gets three steps going. He's three steps in. He's full speed and then that's, it's a 200. He's bigger than I am and he plays running back. Wow, really? So that's another thing that blows me away. Like you've seen that. So like Derek Henry plays running back. He's six foot, he's like six, four, six, five, 245 pounds. Christian McCaffrey plays running back and he's five, 10, like 210 pounds. Like they play the

Starting point is 01:53:06 same position or how about Robbie Gold's a kicker. He's 40 years old and then you have guys like Trent Williams and they play the same sport. Those comparison photos always like freak me out. You have like, you have the six foot, six guys who could, you know, kill somebody easily and then you have the dad of four who's just kicking footballs. Yeah, who's just haunting. Yeah, I'm more just like how different everybody is in the NFL. It's like the, it's the biggest melting pod. It's crazy. That is probably pretty wild. And then you also have a lot of Samoan players. People don't even realize, huh? Do you guys have a lot of Hawaiian or Samoan players? We, I've had them on my team in the past. Like we have a Tongan.

Starting point is 01:53:41 Oh, wow. Yeah. Talnoa Hafunga. We call him Huff. He was first team all pro this year. He had a great season in his second year. But like, yeah, he throws it whenever he makes a big play, he throws the tee up. It's awesome, dude. It's so cool. He has, he just, he's, it's just a different energy and people are wired differently. And I, that's what I love about the NFL. You learn so much about people. Really? Yeah. Well, like, think about like, you have people who come from great family backgrounds, people come from terrible family backgrounds. You have people who were all Americans in college and people who are undrafted free agents got cut by their first couple teams. You have guys who are first on traffic. That's that success. You have Mr. Relevant

Starting point is 01:54:16 Brock Purdy. It's like, like everybody has like such a different story. It was the last pick? Yeah, last pick, Mr. Relevant. So like, this is crazy. Like, if you just, if you just take the time to listen to somebody talk and like, you understand them, like, and you're just open about it, dude, it's the amount of stuff you can learn from people is amazing. Like it's, it's really fun to sit and talk to guys. What's the culture like over there at, with the 49ers? It's amazing. Yeah, it's, it's incredible. You hear that. This is a regular fan. You hear that they have a really great culture over there that John Lynch, right? Is the guy? So yeah, Lynch and Coach Shanahan, they've brought in a lot of really good guys. But like,

Starting point is 01:54:46 what it was was like, I had a really good rookie class. And like, we were like, we had a great rookie class and a lot of our rookies around the team. But like, about, and we had some really good vet like Joe Staley, Garrett Selick, like those are two vets that we had that were amazing people. And they knew how to play the game the right way. But they're both like father figures to a lot of the guys like young, because like I said, we had like 25 rookies. So we had a lot of young guys. And so they're all learning from like these guys. So we had good vets. So guys learn like what matters and how to treat people with respect. And so like, because you'd be surprised, that's not a thing that's taught everywhere treating people with respect. It's

Starting point is 01:55:20 kind of crazy. Yeah. But like in a locker room, you kind of have to because you're working with them every single day. But like, so we have a, we have a saw group of guys and it's kind of elevated to like, so our best players, our captains are all very high character guys. And so like, either with us or you're not. And so you better be a good person, do yourself that you're supposed to do and then play. And so like, that's kind of our culture. And it's, it's gone and we work really hard. We hit people really hard. And they were very violent, violent football team, but we still have a good time. Is it a pretty selfless environment over there? Does it feel like because, because like you don't even get a ton of balls, right? Like you don't get a ton of

Starting point is 01:55:53 balls, but you have, but you have a lot of great assets on your team. And there's a lot of people that need to get the ball. Yeah. Like, so it's a point of like everybody, you want individual success, like I would love to be in the hall of fame. Right. And so, but like to do that, you do need a certain amount of statistics to get there. Right. So there's a, there's a certain time of selfishness like you, because there is like you want to, you want to be good. You want to make huge plays. You want to play, you want to do stuff. Right. So what's awesome about our team is like, we all like, whether it's Debo, um, Christian McCaffrey, Kyle, use check, I use fanta, I love I use, he's, he's just a different energy, but like you have these guys

Starting point is 01:56:32 like they are, they're selfless. It's like, if we're winning the game and, and like they're playing too. And like they're playing at high like they're running great routes. They're, you know, blocking at a high level too, but like they're doing everything. We're doing everything we can. So like whether it's Christian McCaffrey or other runback like Elijah Mitchell, like to get them into the end zone, that's all I care about. Like us winning games is all I care about. And so like, yes, I love the personal accolades. Like you, you want to build that resume, but I mean, I would, I, I would trade about, yeah, I mean, I would, I'd rather win a Superbowl than I think this is an argument I've had in the locker before. Like would you rather win a Superbowl or be in the

Starting point is 01:57:05 hall of fame? I think it would have to be the Superbowl as a fan. I don't even know who's in the hall of fame. That's right. I mean, I'd rather win a Superbowl than being in the hall of fame. Now being in both, like both would be amazing. But like, if I had to pick one, like, hey, George, would you rather win this or do that? I'd pick on a Superbowl 10 out of 10 times. Do you think there are players that would rather get the ball more than win the game? There are not on your team, even though I'm trying to think like, I think there are certain players that like you have to have the mindset that when, like, when you get the ball, like, the more like you have to have a mindset like when I get the ball,

Starting point is 01:57:42 dude, it looks fucking scary. Oh, dude, it's not for everybody. And it is what it is. Through me, the ball, dude, I throw it back. Honestly, hey, not me, not me. Yeah, not me. I do a timeout. Yeah, I feel like you just toss a lot of bounds. Like, yeah, I slip, coach my bed, just drop it. I'm good. No, but I think, wow, that's a good question. There might be some guys that are like more like stat hungry, maybe, but they're not on our team. I've never really been with a guy that was like that, which has been awesome. But like, and there's there's guys who have contracts where like, hey, if I get 40 catches this season, I get a bonus, right? Like we had a guy who we had a guy who he was a backup, right? But he's

Starting point is 01:58:28 re-signed because his rookie deal is over and he had an incentive in there that was if he got over, he had to break his receiving yards from last year and he only had like 150 receiving yards, but he doesn't play a lot on offense. He's a special teams guy. And by like week five, he broke it. And it was amazing because he got like a multiple $100,000 bonus because of it. And so like, yeah, like there is a selfishness to it because who doesn't want to get paid an extra $250,000 or something like that, whatever it was, I'm not entirely sure. But like, that's awesome. Like good for you. And like, I'm encouraging like, hey, Jimmy, throw him the ball. Brock toss, like the tray throw that guy the ball. So it's just like, that's pretty fun.

Starting point is 01:59:06 Like, so like when it is like, so there's, there's selflessness, but there's also a selfishness to it to an extent, right? But I'm lucky to be on a part of a team that, hey, like Debo's a superstar. He's fantastic. And he had a game where he had like 20, he had 20 receiving yards and 20 rushing yards. We won by two touchdowns. He's like, I don't care. He's like, we're winning. I have another option. Like we have another opportunity to play next week. Like it is what it is. And then he goes, and I'll be ready when I get my opportunity. I'll be ready for it. And then you like, we had a playoff game. He had a 74 yard touchdown. He had like 120 yards receiving a touchdown player of the game. It's just like, we have those guys capable on our team,

Starting point is 01:59:40 but we have six of those guys or seven of those guys are capable. And then it's just, it's fun to be a part of a team like that. Cause it's not everywhere. Was McAfrey pretty excited when he got to go to your team? Yeah, I think he was. Yeah. I mean, Just have a change of pace. I'm sure it's exciting for anyone. And also you're getting good to a team that has a chance to move forward in the league. For sure. And like he looked, I talking to Christian, like he loved Carolina. He loved his experience. He has a house here. Like that's where he thought he was going to be for his whole

Starting point is 02:00:04 career. And they traded him and, um, getting to come to San Francisco where, especially, it was fun too. Cause I met Christian like, uh, 2018, 2019. And so we've kind of been talking about like, Hey, it'd be really fun to like play together because we run the hell out of the football. He's a really talented running back. Right. And so we've always kind of joked about that. He actually sent me a photo. It was pretty funny. We traded jerseys in 2019 and at the bottom of my jersey, I said, see you soon. And now he's a, now he's a niner, which is pretty sick. Um, you got to speak things into existence, Theo. It's really true, man. We'll talk about that next. We've got to come back to that. Cause I like that stuff.

Starting point is 02:00:38 Really? I'm big into that. But you got to, um, so sorry, but like he came into this offense that we run outside zone. Like a lot of guys, like a lot of offices, you kind of see big guys waddle. We're running as fast as we possibly can to try to make the like, we're trying to move the line of scrimmage that way while also moving it that way or that way. So it's like, it's a lot more movement. And it's, if you're a good running back and you can see those lanes, it's a lot easier to run. It's like, it's more difficult to run that way. You have to have the opposite line and like tight ends that are built for that. But when you have an O line tight end fullback, like combo that is talented and like, and Shanahan is very good at creating plays.

Starting point is 02:01:12 We're one of the, like the best run to offenses in football. And so like for him to be a running back in that offense, it's a really good opportunity. It's exciting. It's exciting. Yeah. I felt excited when he got, cause even after your quarterback went out in the, in the championship game, he had a great run right after that, right? Oh yeah. That touchdown. That was insane. I mean, that was Herculean, dude. And so that was like so exciting. It was 18 Wham. It was 18 Wham. Yeah. I downblock on the defense attack, which happened to be Fletcher Cox. He's a big dude. He's a big deal. He's a big dude. He's large. God. And sometimes when you push in a large man, do you feel their stomach or where do you put your hands on them?

Starting point is 02:01:47 Oh God. Like the only way to move big people, you have to hit them and you have to hit people in the hip. That's how you make a move. Yeah. So like when I'm blocking, so like, Anna, do you know what you have any idea what gap scheme is? You ever run power? It's called power. The tight end, everyone blocks down and you pull a guard from the opposite side to kick somebody out. So it's called gap scheme. It's called power, right? But on that, the entire coaching point is if there's, all right, real quick, if I'm the right tight end and this is the offensive tackle, like this is the offensive tackle right here and we're going that way. And there's a guy standing right here. I'm aiming Mike. My, my left shoulder pad is aimed on his hip because if I can

Starting point is 02:02:22 hit that hip, his feet will move and then the right tackle will pick them up and he'll move him for me while I go up to the linebacker to pin it. So you're creating a wall and the running back is going to go right behind us. And so like my target is that hip and I'm trying to hit as violently and as like hard as I possibly can because it doesn't matter if you're 200 pounds or if you're 300 pounds, if I get you in that hip, it moves your base. And then if you're off your base and getting hit by another big guy, you're screwed. Right. And if it's that fast and it's that fast and like, they don't know that place coming too. So like that's where my advantage is. And so I have to like, I'm like a coiled spring. As soon as they say hi, and I'm diving through that guy's

Starting point is 02:02:56 hip to go up to the second level. So yeah, sorry, gaps. That's my run game. So I love the run game because we were talking about like, I don't get the ball every play. And like, I don't want the ball every play. I like, I like getting the ball. It's fun to catch the ball. It's fun to run or like you like running with a football in open space and not getting hit is one of the coolest things you can possibly do as a human being. What did you feel like just driving real fast? Dude, I have a smile on my face. I'm just like, this is like, it's because it doesn't happen very often. It's hard to get that open. And I felt because everyone's such good athletes. But when you're just running through the space, man, it is like it's illegal. Yes. Like, I feel like I'm

Starting point is 02:03:27 kidding. Just like, I just stole something. I'm just running as fast as I can. And it's such a, it's such a thrilling feeling. But so in there, I don't get to do that all the time. So like running routes is fun. But when you don't get the ball, running routes isn't really fun because I just get tired. And so when you're in the run game, and the whole thing is like, it depends on me, like the running backs to help me has to set me up. But like, I have to hit this guy as hard as I can. And then there's all these fundamentals, whether it's your first step, your second step, your inside hand, where your outside hand goes. But like, there's just art to it. And people that are really good at it, you see their technique

Starting point is 02:03:58 and like what it looks like. And it's just, it's really fun for me. I watch a lot of, I like, I love watching offensive line, like run the football and like hit people. So like, there's this artwork to it. So like, I put, I like, I'm the best run blocking, run blocking, tighten the NFL. I do it differently than anybody else does. And I've been doing it differently for like my entire career. And like my first year, maybe not so much, but like second year on, I kind of like figured out what works for me. And so I put as much effort as I can to that. So then what's great about the tying position, I can affect every single play. I can, I can have a huge impact on every single play in the football game. Like a wide receiver who's on the backside of an outside

Starting point is 02:04:35 zone going away from him, if he doesn't block the corner, it might not be a big deal. Every play that I'm in on, I have, I have the opportunity to have a huge impact, whether it's run play or a pass play. So like, I love playing tight end because I have that opportunity. And because I get to do all those things, I'm going to do everything I can to be great at all those things, whether it's pass blocking, run blocking or running routes and catching. So like, I'm the only position gets, you really get to do everything. Like we had a tight end throw touch on the Super Bowl a couple of years ago, the Eagles guy. But like you got to do a little bit of everything. And I really appreciate that. So like, I don't want to be an average

Starting point is 02:05:06 drum blocking tight end. Like I'm 240 pounds. Like I'm not like, there's tight ends out, like Mercedes Lewis is six foot six, six, seven. He's like 265. That man, he manhandles people. And it's different. Like we do two different, like we hit people differently. But like, I'm I want to be, and he is a very good tight end. He's played for, he's going into year 18. He's fantastic. I'm just like, I want to be great at everything that I'm asked to do. So then I don't have to get taken out for anything. I want to play every single second. You don't play every snap. I do play every snap. Yeah. I mean, I, I played the most snaps in my career this year.

Starting point is 02:05:35 Did you really? Yeah. Of my career. And I missed the first two games, which was crazy. That's a lot of snaps. Yeah. I played like, yeah. I mean, I played like 98% of the snaps every single game. That's incredible, man. Oh dude. It's, well, like I said, your window is only so big. Right. So you want to make the most of your window. Yeah. Like, and also I only get to hit people for 17 weeks. So, yeah. Like, I don't get, I don't get hit anybody. I have a huge blocking set at my house that I'm going to hit.

Starting point is 02:05:58 I can't wait to hit that tomorrow. It's going to be real fun. And will you dress it up like certain players or anything? No, that's a good question though. That's fun. I have thought about that, but no, I don't know who I would, I don't know who I would set up. I like, there's not, I don't really not like very many people in the NFL. There's a couple guys that, you know, I don't care about or I might not care for, there's not too many games that I completely circle the calendar. There's a couple just like based on the player that I get to go against, but I don't have that issue very much. Which I like everybody. Yeah. Like, what's one of those teams where you're like, I'm going against

Starting point is 02:06:28 this team this week? The Rams, that's a big one for us. Like, because they play us, they play us the exact same way every time. And then at the end of the day, they have Aaron Donald, who's, I mean, yeah, besides Trent Williams and Aaron Donald are the two best football players in the NFL. Not even close. Like, I mean, sorry, Packardham Homes is really good. Like Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, like there are other good players, but like for dominance of their position, every single snap, Trent Williams, Aaron Donald, and Nick Bose is getting there too. He's going to be really good. But like Aaron Donald, like eight time all pro, like that's insane. His whole career as he's all pro. But so when you play the Rams, you have to game plan

Starting point is 02:07:02 for Aaron Donald, because if you only put one guy on him, the likelihood of him blowing up the play and hitting the running back or the quarterback in the backfield and making them fumble, significantly increases. So you have to, so you have to completely game plan for him. So you got to plan for him hugely. Yeah, hugely. And so we had to plan for him, like huge. And then sorry, so like, and then like the way they play their defense is they just try to bottleneck us as much as they can. So it makes our outside zone a little bit more difficult. And then they kind of play in this like kind of a quarters thing where like they keep everything in front of like, it's kind of bend, but don't break. Like you can give up some small step, but you're not going to anything

Starting point is 02:07:36 pass us. And then they're going to be very violent. They're going to come up in the run game. And so it's just like playing a team like that where they're, so like I'm in my three-point stance, Theo, and line of scrimmage is like right here. Oh yeah. They have an outside linebacker who's wider than you are in like a tilted stance and a sprinter stance. And the second we say, hike, he's trying to run through my face as fast as he can that way to not let me reach him. And they're like, not every team does that, but it's very difficult to go against because at that point, it's just kind of me saying, all right, who's going to hit who harder? Every time. Every time. And like we've like, and like there's different ways that we sometimes

Starting point is 02:08:12 put a guy in motion and we're like, we'll double team that guy because like having to hit somebody in anchor, I think it's easier than having to hit somebody and then move. Cause if I anchor, the window doesn't, everybody runs into my back, feel me? Like, so if like, if I go to block you and the office line is coming this way and I stopped my feet, I'm going to get ran up on someone's going to go through my legs. So like I have to hit you and then keep my feet running. So I'm running like the people behind me are also moving people towards me. Like if you're at the point of attack, you have to run and his job is to not let me run. It's wild. So, but the Rams are a really good job at that. If you, do you think, say if you coach, you coached me, you train me,

Starting point is 02:08:50 right? Yeah. Ultimate training, ultimate coaching. Do you think I could play? No, you don't. No. In the NFL or like pickleball? Pickleball, I think you'd be really good at. Dude, pickleball, come on, man. Dude, we have a lot of guys that play it. I love that game. What about it? Maybe the USFL. Like what position you want, dog? I'm saying anything on the field and you are my trainer, man. And I don't get it. I would never give up. You could long snap. I have a good long snap. But I mean, you'd have to, how much do you weigh right now? Probably 186, 184. You'd have to get to like 220. Fuck, dude. Well, you have to, you have to, you have to hold some weight because like in the NFL, when there's a small long snapper, they'll just put like a defensive lineman on them.

Starting point is 02:09:29 And it blows them up. It just crushes them. Yeah. So like there's a, you have to have a little size to at least, but you could do that. I just want to have to wake up and eat at night, like in the middle of the night, like a baby. Dude. So in college, I had a really difficult time. Like I couldn't get past 225. I couldn't do it for like three years. And so in my third year, I drank eight Gatorade protein shakes a day. And like literally I had, so like, let's just say I wake up at 6am for my lift. I drink a protein shake then. I get to my lift. And before I get, before I start the lift, before I start the warm-up, I drink another protein shake. I go through the warm-up, come in, drink a protein shake before

Starting point is 02:10:06 I get on the scale. This is just to try to keep my weight on. After the lift, I drink a protein shake. I take three, I think I'm at four, I think I'm at four there. I leave and then for lunch, I have a protein shake. I'm in class, I have a protein shake. Is your truck just full of dirty protein shake containers? Yeah. Like do you ever see the old Gatorade cans? Yeah. Like those big, thick ones. You know I'm lying to you. Yeah, pull that up. Look up Gatorade protein shake can, aluminum, like metal can. But I would drink those. I had so many of them at my house. And then I'd have them before I go to bed. And then I would set an alarm, if I was really struggling, if I had set an alarm for 3am or no, 2am and then 4am. To have them again? Yeah, just to drink them.

Starting point is 02:10:45 Because that was the easiest thing for me. I didn't eat like, oh yeah, that thing. I didn't drug at it. Dude, you could kill some with that. Like it was, it was a brick. I don't even see that. I don't think that's available to the, just to the public. No, it's not available anymore. But so like, I literally would. That's insane. You know, bad product or how something off about a product has to be this not available. I think you have to go out of your way. Well, yeah, that's actually weird. I didn't even know Gatorade did protein until I got to Iowa. And I was like, oh, whoa. No one knew it until just now when you told us. Probably every college football athlete knew. That was in a lot of places. But yeah, so that was, so yeah. You got to have that weight on. So

Starting point is 02:11:17 that's a number one thing to even be able to play. You really have to have some weight on you. Yeah. To an extent, like, I mean, like, I was, like I said, I was, if I weigh 225 pounds right now, I wouldn't be in the NFL. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be able to block. Like, I have to be at least 240 for me to like be able to move people still. To even show up. Who's the big guy? Oh, Kalaeus Campbell, huh? Oh my gosh. How big is he? I met him for the first time. He's the nicest guy. Oh my gosh. She's like a giant. He's like, how are you doing down there? Oh, hey, hi, hi. Like, hey. Hi, sir. How are you? Nice to meet you. His brother is a, his brother is a comedian.

Starting point is 02:11:49 But, um, so I got to meet him a couple of times there. Um, but yeah, he's like a gentlest giant. Dude, he's super, super nice. Yeah. He's a cool guy. I haven't met a ton of NFL players, but I got to see Brandon Marshall at the Super Bowl. Real nice guy. Yeah, he's cool too. He's huge. Yeah. He was very tall. I thought it was thick too. White Howard at first. Dude, yeah, that's funny. But yeah, that is, no, but like, he's bigger than I am too. And he played wide receiver. Think about that for a sec. It's like, Brandon, why don't you just play tight end, dude? Well, less money. But I was like, I mean, you could have played another couple of years. Why do y'all get less money? I don't know. Let's figure that out. You, I'll call in and you're

Starting point is 02:12:27 going to figure it out. You're doing more. Thank you. I never realized that. Get this. So, um, Travis Kelsey, this guy, 1300 yards, 10, 10 touchdowns a year for like the last seven years, basically. But he gets more balls thrown over than you. Sure. But my point is, is that that if he was a wide receiver, his contract, he'd be the 26th highest paid wide receiver in the NFL. Does that make sense? No. No, he should probably be top five. So that's like, I don't know. He should probably be making if like, there's wide receivers out there making over $25 million that don't get his stats. So like, why would he not get paid more? Yeah. Right. I mean, like I was, I think I was 30 NFL touchdowns this year. And yeah, I mean,

Starting point is 02:13:08 there's 20 receivers that make more money than me. That's unfair. No, yeah. And like, I'm happy for them. I'm happy for them that they're making their money. No, it's nothing gets them. It's just like, that's the tie to market. Like our franchise tag is like $10 million, which is like, if a team doesn't like, um, Evan Ingram tied in for the Jackson Devers, he was franchise tag, which means like, they don't want to do a new deal yet, but they're going to give you a one-year deal. And it's based on the average of like the top couple contracts of your position. So his was $10 million. And then the quarterback franchise tag is $30 million. $30 million for that one season. And I get the quarterback is the most,

Starting point is 02:13:40 right. That's the most important position. But like, wide receiver franchise tag is, I want to say like 20 something. But it's like, are they really double the value? No, I don't think so. Especially, yeah, I don't think. No, I don't think so. Especially now when you're getting to all these hybrids, you can have like, taste some hill, you have a hybrid player that could possibly do it all. Yeah, sure. Like, and like, no, now the thing, when you get in, you, you have to be great at all those things for it to be a value for you in a contract

Starting point is 02:14:05 negotiation. Right. That's a good point. Yeah. So you have to be great. Like, if you, and if you can just, if you can just do several things, but you do them averagely, I'd rather have like, a guy that does this great and a guy that does this great than having a guy that doesn't both average. Right. That's a good point. Yeah. So like, that's a part of it too. But it's just like, yeah. Is there, is there a position that we don't know that you could possibly play on the field that people wouldn't really realize maybe? Dude, I would love to play like outside linebacker in a three, four defense, kind of like, I know I'm not going to say like, I'm not going to say off,

Starting point is 02:14:35 I'm going to be amazing at it, but I think I would have a real shot at it. If I could get up to like 260, 265, maybe 270 and set an edge, I think I'd do that. I'm a really good athlete and like, you don't have to run as much, which is really nice. I get tired sometimes, dude. Oh, I get tired watching. Thank you. I've had to pause it and fucking get water. Oh, dude. If you ever watch, like, I put the auction mask on almost after every drive. Really? I don't know if it does anything. How nice is that? I don't know if it does anything, but I do feel better. Like, I'm just like, oh, well, even if it's a placebo effect, I'm digging the placebo effects. If you believe it, that it

Starting point is 02:15:05 works. Do it. Yeah. Is it flavored the oxygen? Is it like grape ice or anything? I'm going to ask. Yeah. You know, next year. Get some gas in there, dawg. Reptile rush gatorade. Yeah, I'd do something. Glacier freeze. Yeah. Salted caramel. I don't know. I'm also named. You're a sweet guy. Well, I'm naming vape flavors also. I don't think I've vape since college. I did that for a hot sec. Don't do it, dude. I know. I know. I was listening to a couple of your podcasts. People are fucking suffering from it. I listened to your Jay Cutler podcast. That was fun. Did you? Yeah. I had to prepare a little bit, dawg.

Starting point is 02:15:35 Oh, that's a good point, man. Yeah. Jay kind of doesn't, I can't believe Jay played quarterback that long in the NFL. I don't think Jay can believe it. That's a good point. You know, it's funny too. So I'm a Bears fan. I grew up in Iowa. There's no NFL team. So I grew up a Chicago Bears fan. Yeah. So I grew up Chicago Bears Cups fan. And I still like the Bears. I'm still a fan of the Bears. Was it tougher in the Cutler years? He brought a lot of excitement to it. He really did. He would have games where he threw for like 350 yards and four touchdowns. It was really fun to watch. Fun to be a Bears fan. Like plenty of heartbreakers, but I enjoyed Jay Cutler. The memes of him having a cigarette

Starting point is 02:16:13 in his mouth at the podium. Those are some of my favorite football memes. Awesome. Because he was the first person that they made those memes about was him with the like just cigarettes, like just smoking cigarette. Oh, he's a regular dude. He's just a regular dude. Jay Cutler is a regular dude, man. Like I'll see him at a bar, see him at like a party or something. And he's just like, you would, oh my, yeah, you wouldn't even get, I don't know if you wouldn't guess it. I don't know. But yeah, he's just the most regular dude. He's just like. That's the crazy thing about NFL players. Most of us are just regular dudes. Do, do there be, are there still players that smoke cigarettes you think?

Starting point is 02:16:48 Like you ever been out there and you're like, Jesus, somebody's been fucking smoking at halftime. I had a teammate my rookie season who after practice and after games would smoke cigarettes. Yeah. I, you know what? I'm not going to tell, say who it is, but there was, we lost my rookie year. We lost in Lambo. Aaron Rodgers did like a 30 second drive to kick a field goal to win the game. And like this one, we were 0-9-2. So like we almost went into Lambo and one is like my rookie class and they were a much better team than us, but we somehow kept it close and like losing now. And I had a good game too, but like it was a heartbreaker and like, I, like I said, I grew up a Bears fan. So like playing in Lambo for the first time in a night game, like it was

Starting point is 02:17:27 really cool. It was a cool experience. Like you want to win those games. So losing. And I go to the shower and he's in there smoking a cigarette. And I was like, I'll take one of those if you don't mind, man. Hopefully I don't get in trouble for that. Like, I don't know. Like that's probably illegal, but I'm sorry NFL. Don't get mad at me. But I did do that one time and it was, that was a really fun one. And like one of the coaches walked in, like looked at us and he's walked out of the shower. So I was like, yeah, dude, just give us a sec, man. Just chill. Look, it's two probably nude men smoking cigarettes. You're not wrong. There was. Yeah, bro, it's Russia. Let them have their moment. They just lost the game. Like, dude, just give me a sec, please.

Starting point is 02:18:05 Oh, there should be eight minutes where you should be allowed to smoke a cigarette after the game. I think if your team loses. Are there quarterbacks that you wouldn't be excited to play for? Do you feel like, oh, excited to play for? Well, let's just do this. How about nonverbal communication? You don't have to say anything. Okay. I'll rattle off a couple of names, right? And what do you want me to do? You don't have to say, you don't have to do anything. Okay. Just look, just look. Okay, I'm looking forward. All right. Andy Dalton. To the red rocket. Deshawn Watson.

Starting point is 02:18:36 Jamarcus Russell. Jamarcus, the tape guy. Remember that they gave him fake tapes? See, the only way it would be as a teammate for him to do that, that would piss me off. Oh, it'd bum me out. That would bum me out. Like, I'll give anybody an opportunity. Like, I don't care who the, like, I don't, like, if you, if you put your effort in and you show up and you play and like you did everything you could to be prepared and you have a bad game, I'm not going to hate you for that. Right. If you tried, but like, if you go out of your, like, if you don't, like, try and get prepared, if you're not professional, it's your job. Like, that's the crazy thing. Like, in college, you have to do classes and like, you're a very, your

Starting point is 02:19:16 testosterone field 20 year old. Like, you have other things in your life that might, at that time, matter more than football. With your NFL, like, yes, your family matters and like, there's certain things, but like, it's your job, it's your profession. And you're, you have all, you have 60 other guys in that locker room who are counting on you to do your job. Oh yeah. And for you to do that. It's not real. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't appreciate that. So that's, that's something that I would, that would piss me off. Yeah. Something like that would really upset me, I think. Yeah. Do you what you're supposed to do? Well, like, my goal is I went to Super Bowl. I, like, proven an NFC changing game. I can't help much if I can't get the ball thrown to me. Yeah. We

Starting point is 02:19:48 didn't have a quarterback. So could, should somebody, who, who was the last quarterback to go in? Like, you guys lost a couple of quarterbacks. So you guys lost your whole quarterbacks all year. Yeah. So fun fact, I've played six years in a fell and four out of this, I've had one quarterback for one season, one time. 2019, I had Jimmy G for one season and we went to the Super Bowl. My rookie year, we had three quarterbacks. My second year, we had three quarterbacks. You had Nick Mullen one time, too. Love Nick Mullen's. Yeah. He's CJ Bedford. Yeah, he is. Oh yeah, Bedford, I'm a fan man. He lives in Franklin, Tennessee. Oh, he does. Yeah. He's part of the reason I live here. He was one of my boys. So we played five years together in Iowa

Starting point is 02:20:22 and then four years together at San Francisco. So he's one of my best friends. Oh, that's cool, man. He seems like a really neat guy. Oh, he's wonderful. But he, so like my second year, I had three quarterbacks. 2020, I had three quarterbacks. 2021, I had two quarterbacks. And this past season, I had four quarterbacks. Look, you're bad luck. Not me. I'm not bad luck. Oh, dude, I never knocked wood on an American flag. That's got to be good luck. That's got to be good luck. It's got to be great luck. Yeah, but so that's... How hard was it when, like, did... Our fourth quarterback was Josh, by the way. Great, dude. Josh Johnson. That was the last guy who got hurt.

Starting point is 02:20:55 That was the last guy that got hurt. And then, so after that, was there any talk of that somebody else could go in there? So, like, you tentatively game plan for, like, an emergency quarterback, and Kyle Youschek, our fullback, was our emergency quarterback. But, like, he doesn't know all the footwork stuff for plays. Like, the playbook was, like, four play, like, four to eight plays. Because it's crazy. Because Coach Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, he's been NFL, like, I want to say, like, 15 to 20 years, like, being a part of coaching in it. And he's never had it happen to him. His dad, Mike Shanahan, never, never seen it in his career. Right, we can't even text his dad at halftime to ask him.

Starting point is 02:21:32 Yeah, like, what do I do? Like, he never experienced it either. And then we have our running backs coach, and he's like, he's in year, like, 60, and he's never seen it either. And, like, at any level. And so it's just, like, it doesn't happen often. So, like, you're mildly... And everyone's like, well, why aren't you more prepared? Because it doesn't happen. Like, you don't... Well, of course, yeah, you're not prepared. But were you guys, like, looking around the sideline? Like, who's even lean enough here to even throw? You know what I'm saying? Like, because at that point, it's also, like, a stat you can't have, like... The only thing that I wanted to see just for, like, even at the point, like, because...

Starting point is 02:21:59 Like, for kicks, yeah. After Josh got hurt, like, and we were down, and, like, it's... I think when Josh got hurt, where I think we're only down set, like, we might have been down seven, or no, we were down 21 to seven when he got hurt. And so, at that point, you're like, okay, we can't throw. We... Like, the next couple of me, like, you're like, okay, we might have a shot here, but I think they went down and scored. It's 28 to seven. And you're just like, we can't physically throw the football, and they're just going to put 11 people in the box. All right, like, sure, like, how creative can you get? I know, uh, John Jennings, one of our wide receivers, he played at Tennessee. He was,

Starting point is 02:22:32 like, a top five quarterback recruit in high school, which was kind of... So, like, maybe I wanted to see that. But, like, at the end of the day, like, you're not gonna... It's not high school where you just put your best athlete at quarterback or college, where you can just put a really fast guy at quarterback, and you just run around the edge and do cool stuff. Like, like, that doesn't exist in the NFL. Like, it just doesn't happen, but there's too many good athletes. So, it's like... But, like, A, if you were to come in and, like, we were to throw in the ball, he throws interception, it is what it is. Like, we're, like, you try and every you can to not, like, oh, we're going to lose this game. But it's, like, we... The most important

Starting point is 02:23:00 position we don't have. Yeah. Fuck, it was so... It's like playing chess. You don't have a king. Oh, you lost. Yeah, like, like, I mean, the only other team I've seen do is the Denver Broncos during COVID. They had all their quarterbacks at COVID. And so, they put a wide receiver in. But they had a week to prepare at least, or a couple days at least. But it's just like, what are you supposed to do? Yeah. Damn, it was such a bummer, man. I'm so sorry for you. It wasn't even fun to watch. No. Like, hey, if you're an Eagles football player, an Eagles fan, probably loved it. And good, like, you should, like... I don't even think you love... Like, but, like, you enjoy... If you love something like that, then you're sick, too.

Starting point is 02:23:32 Sure, I'll give you that. I would hate that, dude. Well, like, they brought... They loved winning. But, like, winning in that way is, like, it's not exciting. Like, if there's nothing... Like, there's not really anything exciting about that. No. If you're cheering them or... Yeah. It's like, sure, like, hey, you guys are... Like, they're winning the game and they're beating... Like, yeah, there's not much. You're beating somebody who is, like, hands are tied behind their back. And, like, hey, they won. And they... Yeah, totally. You're not saying no, but I feel you. Like, at least it would have been an entertaining game. Oh, yeah. If like... Even if like... Well, they should take their quarterback out.

Starting point is 02:24:01 Both of them. That'd be wild. If they go... Well, how about this? That's insane. I shouldn't even say that. Do you think it's fair that the overtime team just goes to kick that field goal? It seems kind of lame each time. Like, for the win? Yeah. Well, that real changed, like, five years ago. Oh, it did? Yeah. So, like, good. So, then it went to, like, you had to... If you score a touchdown, you automatically win. And then this past season in the playoffs, in overtime, both teams get a chance. Oh, good. Whether it's a touchdown or not. Because do I remember the Bills chiefs game from last year? Yeah. And it went back and forth. And everyone's like, well, the Bills... Like, the offenses were so high-powered. If the Bills would have gotten a shot, they would have gone down

Starting point is 02:24:35 and scored. So, they changed the rule for the playoffs. If that happened, that both teams get an opportunity to add it. Which was interesting to see. Yeah. I think it's more exciting. It could make the game a little bit longer. It definitely makes it more exciting as a fan. I think... I mean, I think college has overtime. Perfect. Oh, that's so much fun. 11th overtime. Yeah, I do like that. It's 2AM. And then, also, like, for the people watching, like, those touchdowns count. And, like, there's multiple of those. So, it's like, a guy could go and, like, what was like... There was, like, an LSU Ole Miss game that it was, like, tied, like, 17 to 17, and it ended 53 to 48 or something like that. Or 53 to 47, something shit like that.

Starting point is 02:25:09 But it's like, a guy in that game, a wide receiver, like, at the end of the game, he had, like, five catches for 60 yards and a touchdown. At the end of the game, he had eight catches for four touchdowns and 100 yards. It's just like, what, where did this come from? It's a four over time. So, I think the NFL should just start at the 35-yard line. Because then, if you go three and out, it's still a 52-yard kick. Like, that's not easy. Right? 52 yards, like, from the 35, and just have them do it that way. It'd be so much fun. I mean, just like, you're just taking shots for touchdowns at that point, man. He's so sweet.

Starting point is 02:25:36 It'd be sick. Dude, yeah, that'd be a buy. And, like, dude, the stats, too. Like, fantasy football players, fantasy football guys would love that. Because, hey, now, Devonte, at the end of overtime, where he has 10 catches for 122 touchdowns, now he has 14 catches for six touchdowns. They'd never, yeah, fantasy football guys would be crazy. They'd never even talked to their wives anymore. Do you think, and we'll get you out of here in a second, what was you were talking about, like, oh, do you think that, who do you think will be El's quarterback next year?

Starting point is 02:26:11 Brock will get a fair shot at it, do you think? Oh, yeah. I mean, he didn't, he hasn't lost a game yet. Like, he got hurt at his first, like, fifth play of the game. And so, like, he hasn't really lost a game yet. He should get it. Yeah, I mean. But it's also a very competitive room over there, huh? It's a super competitive room. Well, right now, we don't, Trey Lance, I think he just got cleared. It's like, he's out throwing and stuff again. So that's awesome. I'm very happy for him,

Starting point is 02:26:30 like, because he's a very, he's a very special talent who has the ability to be a very good football player. He just needs reps. And like, I, he just, he's young. He hasn't played in a lot of football games. He's, he's reps. Oh, yeah. So it'll be a good battle between them. And Grombo, you'll still have him? No, he's a free agent. Oh, he's gonna leave? Yeah, he's out.

Starting point is 02:26:46 Oh, dang. Yeah. So, well, like, what I, like, I think it's a, um, if Brady came back, would he be able to go to y'all or not? Yeah, he's a free agent. That'd be wild. That'd be wild, huh? Yeah. I mean, he's from the Bay. He is? He is from the Bay.

Starting point is 02:27:02 That's crazy. Interesting. Anyways, but, um, Purdy, I, like I said, like Purdy 1A games, you can't like bench, you can't, you can't bench him. So I think it's, uh, it's a, it's a quarterback competition, I think, when you go to like, and again, Dude, I can't win A games doing just even betting money line every week. It's crazy. But like, and I, and again, like he's hurt right now, right? So I think he just, I think he got surgery today, maybe on his UCL,

Starting point is 02:27:28 which is like the ACL of your elbow, I guess. Oh, they got a third one now? It's crazy, dude. Wild stuff. But so like, he has to recover from that. So like, it's going to be, it's going to be an interesting training camp to see how the reps are splitting stuff like that. It's going to be exciting. It will be exciting.

Starting point is 02:27:42 And that's my entire, my entire career I've had QP controversy. So let's ride, dude, another year of a baby. I love it. That's exciting. Bring it. One last thing for you. If I want to get, you were talking about like speaking things in existence. Yeah. You wanted to bring it back that up. Yeah. Cause you kind of talked about it too much.

Starting point is 02:27:57 It's interesting how little we like speak out into the world, what we want. Yeah. Like how, like how often do, like I'll sit and complain in my head or think about things or worry about all for years. But rarely will I say, this is what I fucking want, you know. And say you're going to do it. Yeah. So you're going to get it.

Starting point is 02:28:15 Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm big, like, I don't know if you journal very much, but I got big into that this literally like the last 12 months, met a former player who, who kind of talked about how he did it too. And like just writing down like what you expect the season to be, or like what your, what your goals are, or writing about them in the past tense too. That was kind of a cool thing too.

Starting point is 02:28:34 Like take me, give me an example of that. So like you could talk about winning the Super Bowl, or you could talk about like. Like I won the Super Bowl. Yeah. And then you talk about confetti falling. You talk about like, and you speak it into existence. Like there's a creativeness to it. And so like it's kind of why, because then once you see it, and you've, it's kind of like the same as football.

Starting point is 02:28:50 Like I do visualization a lot. So like I rep the plays in my head. And so then by the time I get to them and practice or whether it's the game, I've already done them in my head like 10 times. So when you call the play, I have nothing to worry about because I've already done it. And so it's like speaking into existence too. It's like you visualize it happening. And then so like, I don't know if you speak it into existence,

Starting point is 02:29:07 or you're like, once the moment comes, you're ready for it. What's really interesting, man, it makes me think of EMDR. You know, have you heard of this? Maybe. I don't know. Explain it to me. Can you bring it up? I think my wife has called me. So EMDR, eye movement, desensitization, and reprocessing therapy is a mental health treatment technique.

Starting point is 02:29:30 The method involves moving your eyes. Uh, goal is to help you heal from trauma or other distress. So anyway, what's interesting about EMDR is it, they take you back to times in your life, right? That were traumatic for you and they, you, you, you talk through with a therapist to, to put a new experience into that time of your life. Yeah. So then when you come out of the, the, the like modality or the, the experience

Starting point is 02:30:00 of doing EMDR, the therapy, then the past part of your life that was hurting you, it's now filled with a different part of your life that's positive. Yeah, for sure. So where you are at now currently, we'll eventually start to feel different because the past, the popples have been filled in. That's crazy. So it's almost like a reverse of doing that, what you're saying. Yeah, sure. Like you're creating those in the future.

Starting point is 02:30:23 And so then by the time you get to them, it's like, Well, you're looking back on your past, you're writing into your own past that hasn't even happened yet. Yeah. You're writing your own past and saying, these things happen. It's wild. And like, I, yeah, like, and I, I did it every single day for the entire season. Wow.

Starting point is 02:30:38 It's wild. And whether you're writing, like whether your goals are personally for the season, whether it's goals, like whatever it is, like kind of talking about in the past since it was, it's really weird. Like it's like to get used to writing like that. It's because I've never done anything like that before. And so like that was a different experience for me. But you're talking about like that type of therapy.

Starting point is 02:30:54 Have you seen the type of therapy that's like, let's just say you have like, you go to therapy right now and like everyone has certain traumas in their life. And the theory, I can't remember exactly what it's called, but it's like, like, so 10 year old, you, something happened. Right. And like that version of you, like the version of you, like the state that you went into, like to recover from that is still a part of your personality. And right.

Starting point is 02:31:18 So like whether it's like, and like how you manage with it. So like, okay, so let me, let's just say you're 10 years is bad. Like so like you're a 25 year old and something bad happens and you turn to drinking or something like that. Right. And whenever something bad happens, you kind of go back to that, right? You go back to that. And cause like that's your therapy for it.

Starting point is 02:31:32 So like this goes into, you've kind of revisit, you have a conversation with that 25 year old you. Okay. And you're like, and then you try to get them to accept it because like, you have these different parts of you inside of you, like for these different experiences, whether it's like, yeah, like that type of experience or like, I don't know, I'm trying to explain it the best way I can, but it's like, you have to have these conversations with this old pass of you to kind of let go. And like you kind of hold onto stuff.

Starting point is 02:31:56 Ah, interesting. So you're going back to like an injured part of you. Or an injured you and you're trying to help them get through it because like you can't talk to it. Like it's to say you had a bad call, let's say you had a really bad experience in college, like with a coach or something like that. And they like verbally abused you, right? And like that part of you is like still there. Like it's, it is so there unless you go to therapy, you talk about like,

Starting point is 02:32:13 if you just kind of hold onto it, that part of you is always still kind of like this dark anger. And so you have to kind of go back there and talk to them and like talk to that 18 year old self. Right. Like almost making amends with your old or like guiding them to the light maybe. So do these, but like just kind of let go of that anger. Cause if you never talked about it and just kind of holding on, like you can push stuff down for so long, but like at some point you got to address it. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:32:37 It says trauma can freeze your emotional response at the age you experienced it. When you feel or act emotionally younger than your actual age is known as age regression. Well, it's even the same as almost as EMDR. It's like going back into a specific time. That's what reminded me of it. And I was like, cause I know my dad talked to me about that. So it's like a type of therapy you can do like to overcome like traumatizing events that happen to. And it was a very like, I thought about it and I was like, that actually makes sense to me.

Starting point is 02:32:59 Well, your dad is really interesting, man. I've seen some of the episodes where he's like doing hidden pearls. You said it's called hidden pearls where he'll like, he's like doing. His mindful Mondays, which is fun. Right. Yeah. Mindful, just like kind of like taking you through an experience. You can just see how it's part of his, you guys's whole world, all that stuff.

Starting point is 02:33:18 He's big into that, like breathing, visualizing. It just, it helps dude. Like when you just can take a second to yourself and like just kind of breathe and like just be one with whether it's your breath or just like your own thoughts or something like that. Because most of the time we're all, we're like this, you're on your phone, you're watching TV, you're looking at opinions of other people, but like not too often or you're just kind of sitting there like, just having that conversation with yourself because you kind of need to, man. Like if you, if you, if you don't like then you're not really progressing as a human,

Starting point is 02:33:49 you're just kind of absorbing everyone else's information. And then like, is that who you are these days? Or do you want to be your own person? And it's, what's really interesting, George is that they've created, it's so hard, it's so addictive. They've mastered the, our attention. Social media is amazing. They've mastered the art of taking our attention.

Starting point is 02:34:04 It's incredible. Like TikTok videos, man, you can go to a rabbit hole for two hours and not even blink. Oh, you don't even know who you are. You come out your fucking child in the middle school. Yeah. Like what just happened? Like where is going on? Where am I?

Starting point is 02:34:16 It's funny, I was watching Chris Rock's new special last night. Well, I haven't seen it yet. Is it good? It is cool, man. I didn't watch all of it, but he talks about your attention. That's the number one thing that people are after these days. Yeah, that sounds about right. Is your attention cool?

Starting point is 02:34:31 Whoever you put your attention into is how your life changes. I know. So it's funny when I think of my, when I think of my head that I'm always, constantly overwhelmed by different thoughts and I feel sporadic and I can't keep my attention span on anything. But then when I look at what a TikTok is, it's literally what, oh, this is just a thing of what I am. It's wild.

Starting point is 02:34:53 It's just like a bunch of thoughts. Everything seems kind of disorganized. It's all in one place, but it's fucking feels, I mean, if you saw TikTok, you would give it a antidepressant. Yeah, dude, it's nuts. TikTok, like this, this is how social media like in captures you. Like, I mean, my wife owes me, like I'll go sit on the toilet and. Oh, you won't come back.

Starting point is 02:35:13 Dude, you're 30 minutes later. Like what just happened? We've come back, dude. Oh my God. Oh my God. Where was it? Why are my legs asleep? Like what just, what has happened?

Starting point is 02:35:22 Like what? Goodness gracious. But you're like, you can just get lost in those things. So like I refuse to get an Apple watch because why do I need a phone on my wrist if I have one in my pocket? Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. How about somebody have a fight the other day with their son on an Apple watch

Starting point is 02:35:34 through texting or something? It took them like an hour and a half to even have the fight. And it was the guys doing all this shit. It was unbelievable. I've seen guys on my team that were Apple watches out to like walk through practices and like you're not in, how many not like it's late. It's just learning like plays and stuff. But like they'll have it on and like I'll be in the huddle and guy next,

Starting point is 02:35:50 he'll be like, you know, I'll hear a vibration. He'll look. I'm like, what do you, like, are you on your phone at a walkthrough? Like what are you doing? He goes, I just, it tracks my heart rate. Why do you need to track your heart rate right now, dude? You're jogging, like relax, like take your Apple watch off, disconnect for a little bit. It's okay.

Starting point is 02:36:05 Like, see, I have a calculator on my watch. Oh, you got that old school Casio Amazon, dude. I love it. They have it on there? Yeah, dude, so get this. This was $30. I bought an Amazon. And like, I've worn the entire season.

Starting point is 02:36:18 I love it. I like kind of, I talked about like on a podcast one time. I went back to Amazon to buy another one because I forgot. I thought I lost this one, $80. So I don't know if I'm just hyping them up for some reason or something like that. But yeah, 80, so it's 80 bucks, but still like that's a pretty good price for a gold watch. Yeah, it is. But still, I feel like it, it almost seems sometimes I feel like it knows what you've

Starting point is 02:36:36 been shopping for and if you shop for something expensive recently, it will make tickets more expensive for you for things. I mean, like, I'll talk, you'll talk about, hey, I need deodorant. And $70. I scroll through, I scroll through Instagram and the third, there's an ad and it's for old spice. I'm like, what the heck? I talked about this 10 minutes ago.

Starting point is 02:36:56 Why is there, it's just listening dog. Or if you even think about killing your cousin or something in the fucking next thing you know, it's just all hammers. Dude, it's crazy. Even having an Apple watch is so, it's like, it'll tell you now, like, you just coughed and you're just like, oh, it is coughed. You know, it just like, Do you need a, yeah, do you need dayquil?

Starting point is 02:37:14 Lunch belching 30 seconds. Yeah, dude, it's nuts, man. It's too much, man. Yeah, cause I like wore, I wore one, I didn't get an Apple watch, but I wore the Garmin watch that like tracks a lot of your stuff and like, like a lot of triathlon runners run it cause like they have to know all their stuff all the time. And I was like, after a while, I was like, you know what?

Starting point is 02:37:30 The only thing I really care about is like, I like seeing my sleep. So like, I have that, the ordering stuff. And I like seeing my sleep because I either, there's like, it tells you how long you slept. It tells you how well you slept. And right. So this is my mindset. So like, whether, if I get like green in one of those areas,

Starting point is 02:37:47 Hey, I'm going to have a good day because whether, if let's say I got seven hours of sleep and that's red, but I, hey, 90% of it was super good, deep sleep. And I was healthy. You're like, okay, I'm going to have a great day today. Or if they're both in the red, my mindset is now, all right. I didn't give myself a good advantage today. So I got to try a little bit harder today

Starting point is 02:38:04 because it's going to be a harder day because I didn't sleep well and I didn't get a lot of hours. And so like that's like, people are like, well, I don't like to see them. Like, why? It's just another challenge that you get accomplished today. Well, that's a, I mean, I think that almost sums up just your whole entire approach, man.

Starting point is 02:38:15 You're lucky that you are not lucky. I mean, obviously, you know, a lot of it comes from your own family experience and some, maybe some of your parents and parents and stuff. But cause a lot of people, I get that number, I'd see that 60 out of 100 or whatever. Fuck, I'd start texting, fuck you to everybody right out of the gate, you know?

Starting point is 02:38:32 And I'd even text myself, fuck you. I feel you. No, like, I don't know, dude. But then I would let it ruin me as opposed to me saying, okay, today's gonna be a little bit more of a challenge. It's uphill challenge, guys. It's uphill, boy. It's uphill, like so, I mean, when you're in like,

Starting point is 02:38:47 like right now I'm in the off season, right? So like one, my competitive, my competitive switch is much lower than when I'm in season. But like when you're in season and it's a Tuesday night and I have to wake up and I have like, I have six hours of meetings before I go to a walkthrough and then I have to go do a practice of plays that I learned at eight a.m. that morning

Starting point is 02:39:06 and have to study those plays before practice. Like those six hours, like I can't be off. Like that's, I can't be like, I can't let my guy, I can't let the guy next to me down and I'm my expectation for him is that he's gonna have, he can be as prepared as he can. So like, you don't have an option to be off. And so like, that's how I,

Starting point is 02:39:22 so you have to find different ways to encourage yourself. And so, hey, I slept eight hours and it's good. I'm gonna have a great day today. Or if it's one's bad, one's good, hey, one of them's great, I'm gonna be great. And then the last one's like, all right, well, I'm just gonna have to kick my own ass today, like bring it. And like, so like that's what my mindset has to be now.

Starting point is 02:39:38 Off season, yeah, I might bitch him on a little bit more, but like it is what it is. Like I only have so many off days as like, I only have so many days anyways. So like I'm gonna, I'm just gonna keep going. Yeah. I think you got to give yourself some breaks here and there. I mean, even if you don't, even if you have a job

Starting point is 02:39:52 that doesn't really even allow that many, you know, and you know, You have to take them when you can get them. It's a high competition level you're in. It's a high competition profession. Yeah, you got to take them when you can get them. Man, well, I'm gonna say thank you for coming. And I appreciate it, dude.

Starting point is 02:40:08 And it's, it's, it's been exciting just to hear about just some of your thoughts and get to know you a little bit better. And yeah, I'm so happy for you and your success. Thank you. And oh, tell us about tightening you. I wanted to hear about it. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:22 Because last year I heard tightening you was going on, right? And I fucking wanted to meet everybody. Yeah, you want to come through? But Jeremy Holt didn't text me back. So I literally parked in the parking lot. Where are you guys were practicing? Vanderbilt? Oh, Drake had texted me, right?

Starting point is 02:40:34 Yeah, Drake was the ball boy. At Lipscomb. Although it's not two years ago yet, Lipscomb. Oh, two years ago at Lipscomb. So yeah, I'm like. Yeah, you could have showed up, man. I would have gotten you in. Oh, well, fuck.

Starting point is 02:40:42 Honestly, dude, I may have been outside of some other conference there because I was there. I was there at Lipscomb this year, dude. No joke from. We were at Vanderbilt. We were at Vanderbilt this year. Yeah, we're really? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:52 Oh God. Yeah, then it was something else going on. But, but I was texting, I was texting Jeremy. I was texting Drake. They said we were in a place where they couldn't get good reception, right? Yeah, for sure. But I was outside of a group of men who were like just stretching and I was like just kind of being sad in my truck outside of Lipscomb.

Starting point is 02:41:10 But because I wanted to come up and just like just be around and just see what was going on. Yeah, you want to come through this year? Yeah, man. June 20th is our welcome party. It's on a Tuesday night. OK. So it's our welcome party.

Starting point is 02:41:21 It's at the top of the Thompson Hotel. Oh, nice. And it's really fun. Yeah, all the Titans are up there. It's just literally, it's just getting no guys at a round. It's really, it's a fun event. And then Wednesday, Thursday is on the field stuff at Vanderbilt. And then Wednesday night, we have like a function summer on Broadway.

Starting point is 02:41:37 And then maybe 1230 Club or something like that. We're working on the details. And then Thursday is a work day. And then, but it's like, it's really, it's really fun. But yeah, if you want to swing through for, you know, Wednesday, the Tuesday night thing or more than welcome to. Yeah, that'd be cool. You got an end now.

Starting point is 02:41:50 I don't want to invite now. I feel bad like I invited myself. You didn't, man. Drake invited you. OK, great. OK, great. Yeah. Jimmy John does, he was on this podcast. Jimmy John Lieto. He's a member of 1230 Club.

Starting point is 02:42:01 Yeah. You know, I met, so there was, I told my mother-in-law, she works for the NFL honor, NFL Hall of Fame Health. And they have an event and it's at the 1230 Club. It's there again this year, but this is funny. So they were auctioned off footballs. And there's like, I think there was like six to 10 NFL guys that were there.

Starting point is 02:42:16 But one of the footballs that got auctioned off, he bought it. And it was signed by Eddie George and George Kittle. Oh, cool. It's probably the only football ever signed by us, too. But the fact that his last name is my first name, I just, you don't see that very often. But I thought that was pretty funny. But yeah, I met him at that event.

Starting point is 02:42:33 It was pretty funny. Yeah, that's, I guess that's kind of interesting, I guess. But. This is an excite you too much, though. Yeah, I think it's exciting. It doesn't excite me much, but it's nothing to do. I mean, I just. George is in a very common name.

Starting point is 02:42:44 So when I see other people with it, it excites me. I guess that's true. And that's very fair, actually. And I shouldn't have said that. Thank you. I feel bad about myself. I don't want to do this anymore. Well, you guys cut the entire thing. But is George still a pop? George isn't that popular of a name anymore, is it?

Starting point is 02:42:59 No, it's old. Everyone's like, when I was George and I was eight years old, I was like, you're an old man. No, I'm not. I'm a real boy. People are like, fuck old people. Yeah, I'm like, leave me alone. I'm not 50.

Starting point is 02:43:12 You're like, I'm in hospice. George is most popular in the Western industry, is ranked in the top 200 most popular names since its origin. Origin. I believe that. Both of my great-grandpas were named George, and that's why I'm named George. Tough.

Starting point is 02:43:26 My parents told me that if I was a girl, they wouldn't name me Georgia. I don't think that's a very good name. Nothing against those people that are named Georgia does not for me. Yeah. I feel you're Eddie Georgia. That's insane.

Starting point is 02:43:36 Oh, dude, Eddie Georgia. Dude's got two first names. George Kittleman, best of luck in your next season, man. Enjoy your time. Welcome back home. And enjoy your time. I'll see you lips come. And you're all seasoned praise, baby.

Starting point is 02:43:49 Oh, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. This is really fun. Yeah, it's been fun, man. Thank you. I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take a little longer.

This Past Weekend - E435 George Kittle

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