This Past Weekend - E449 Duncan Trussell

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Starting point is 00:02:44 I think I would say he's an enlightened being. He has his own podcast called The Duncan Trussell Family Hour. He has a show in Netflix, he's one of a kind. Today's guest is my friend, Mr. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it.

Starting point is 00:03:14 I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll sing it. I'll gonna step. I'm gonna step. I'm gonna step. I'm gonna step.

Starting point is 00:03:30 They had a man by us that uh, they found a Korean guy who had been hiding I guess in the ceiling of the YMCA. What? Yeah, this was in Santa Monica. They found a Korean in the ceiling. And so they shut everything down. One time, like the police came in and raided him. He'd been going there for years. You know, he'd been like sneaking.

Starting point is 00:03:55 He's like one of those, you know, people are, what's that new thing? People are hiding in people's homes or whatever? Nesting. Yeah. Yeah, Nesting. Yeah. Yeah, nesting, yeah. Be nesting your house. You don't know, they come down and drink your milk.

Starting point is 00:04:10 Right, sorry. Yeah, that's what's going on. It's like there was, and this guy was nesting in the YMCA. Not a bad place to nest. Oh, no, and I remember I saw him for years. Sorry, Zach. I was a him for years, sorry Zach. I was a bit of a brother, I'm having a long day

Starting point is 00:04:27 and it's all over the time. You are a CEO, what happened? Well there's fucking people in the ceiling brother, there's people in my ceiling right now. There's squatters, I got kareens in my brain, I got brothers in my head. Who knows what else? Yeah man, it would be so wonderful

Starting point is 00:04:40 to have some brain scanning device that showed you a visual depiction of all the various entities, whatever they may be, whether it's psychological structures or authentic demons. So you could just get the rundown, like when you get blood tests, you know? Cause then you know, you know, like why you're acting the way you act sometimes,

Starting point is 00:05:00 not you specifically, but you know, when the monster pops out. Oh, I think that that's, you know, I wonder a lot if we do, I was just talking about this with on Rogan the other day, if we do enough of the right testing, like, like we take people's temperature, like that's such a temperature is such a, who cares? You can almost guess it, you know, if you're just, if you're anybody with a thermometer with it, two cents, you know, if you're just, if you're anybody with a thermometer with it, two cents, you know. Finger?

Starting point is 00:05:26 Yeah, like you could be, you could touch somebody like, oh, you're warm or you're cold, you know, you're dead, you're alive, you know, it's like, but I feel like, we just, we have such primitive testing it still feels like that we're allowed to see. Right.

Starting point is 00:05:39 I would love to know, yeah, what's, what the, who's in here today? Right. What skeletons are out? Yeah. What unaddressed trauma is about to explode out of me in the middle of traffic. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:54 And then you'll know and then maybe it won't happen. But this is, yeah, man, it's, you know, I think the testing we have on the human body is pretty remarkable, right? Like you can do, like you don't even have to get the, what the prostate thing, you know where they shove the tube and cut the polyps is disgusting. It's like a haircut for your intestines. I gotta get one soon.

Starting point is 00:06:16 But the, you could just do like at some test that tells you if you know, you've got a problem. Yeah. You don't have to get the Michael Jackson drug and then have this long tube that your doctor is weirdly like excited to tell you about. Yeah, he's listening to Billie Jean while he puts it in here.

Starting point is 00:06:36 Ha ha ha! Well, my doctor was so excited. He's like, you'll be able to see your appendix. Like, I don't wanna see my fucking appendix. I never wanna see it. I wanna die without seeing my appendix. But anyway, now they can just test it. I can't remember what the name of it.

Starting point is 00:06:52 It's the worst commercial on TV. It's like an annoying, corrective animation like interrupts people when they're swimming. And it's like, have you had your asshole checked? It's a stupid commercial, but the point is, if they can do that, it's interesting, the mind, the mind is like the ocean. You know, we have no idea what's going on in there.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Like, it's the biggest part of planet Earth, and we barely know what's down there. It's really curious. Well, in the ocean, too, man, the ocean, a lot of it is, most of the animals are by the edge. Yeah, right? Like, you're just talking like down there in those thermal vents. It starts low population density.

Starting point is 00:07:31 And what is down there is like, terrifying. Well, it's the same type of people that live. I think if you get out in a very rural Utah or you get out into like, you go deep into the mountains or into some caverns or something. You find some real cryptic homies out there. Oh my, dude. You know? I went out of Nashville.

Starting point is 00:07:52 The last day of my kids preschool, right before we left, I met a psychologist. His job was to go out into deep Appalachia and like, you know, that's where all his clients were. And just what you're saying, like the stuff going on out there is crazy. Like he was telling me, one of his patients took a scythe and went to this dude's trailer

Starting point is 00:08:16 where I guess he's sitting watching TV and used the scythe to cut through the trailer into the dude's back, like, talking through the wall with a scythe. You're just watching like American engine challenge in a scythe comes through your fucking trailer. But how interactive is that? I mean, you couldn't no matter what cable you paid for,

Starting point is 00:08:41 rarely would you be watching American Ninja and then an actual bootleg fucking meth ninja rolls up with a site and cracks through your homestead. Like 80% moonshine just just filled with that kind of moonshine that makes your eyes turn white. Yeah. that makes your eyes turn white. Yeah, talking. Something sparks in his brain. He's like, I'm gonna do it today. And siphon someone's right. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:09:12 That's our minds. We have our back roads and we have our dark bowers and secret places. Some people never ever even know. They just think they're like the first thing that comes to their mind. They don't know that like, there's a lot of shit down there. Yeah, they don't know that there's people pushing people

Starting point is 00:09:29 to the front of the class to say something. They think that, oh, that's the first thought I have, but they don't know there's all these dark arts and the distance pushing people forward. I think my mind a lot of time is like, what's that black street that they burned down or whatever's act that was like a holiday, that was like black, It was like fancy.

Starting point is 00:09:47 It was like the first black like main street. You talking about black wall street in Tulsa. Yeah, that was, yeah, I can pull that. They burn it down. They burn it down a long time ago. I'm not sure what exactly happened. It may have been racism. It may have just been fireworks. I don't know

Starting point is 00:10:06 what it was. White residents attack black residents homes and businesses, as well as cultural public institutions and green wood district of Tolso, Oklahoma, and oil boom city. Black Wall Street, one of the wealthiest black communities. It was like your kind of your early Atlanta. Jesus Christ, they burn it all down. Yeah, the property loss. 35 blocks were systematically looted and burned. Yeah, I don't know. Does this say why they did this? I'm guessing it's not fireworks.

Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah, this looks more like probably racism. Mobs of white residents. The Red Cross provider relief. Do you see any, if you see something's like, let me know, won't you peep on it while we're, but that's what kind of my head is. You know, I remember going to the doctor one time when I was young and the guy,

Starting point is 00:11:00 they put that thing in your head that little looker, you know? The looker? They put it in. Oh, the ear looker. Yeah. It's a called an ear looker. Stethoscope. Yeah. Ear looker.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's stethoscope. They put it in there and the guy was like, oh, you got a bunch of brothers in your head, right? But he said the inward, right? The doctor. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:23 And I remember that and he was like, and he was just joking around I guess, you know, but it was like, I didn't know what was going on. How old are you? I was probably nine or 10, you know? Just think of that dude. Like imagine being that doctor looking in a kid's ear and that is what makes sense for you to say. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:44 And that's a doctor. He looked in, he's like, oh, you got a bunch of in words and you'll hit and I was like, whoa, what the fuck? Yeah. Well, tell him to come out. Do you know what I mean? He's like, you know, let's get on a first name basis, but it blew my mind.

Starting point is 00:11:58 I think he was trying to like make my dad laugh or something, you know, it was just back in the days when it was just kind of semi casual racism, right? You know, I mean, that of semi-casual racism. Right. You know? I mean, that's not even semi-casual racism. That's like, I mean, if we're gonna like analyze racism, that's pretty hardcore like,

Starting point is 00:12:13 and that it sounds like a joke you make. Like that's just one of the funny bedside manner things he does when he's with nine-year-olds. Like that generally cracks nine-year year olds up, I guess. It's with tarot. It's pretty terrifying. You know what? Oh, I didn't know what was going on.

Starting point is 00:12:28 I didn't know if like half of like in living color was living in my... There's humans in my ear. What are you talking? You're a doctor. I'm gonna trust you. Whoa. Yeah, that's great. So that was great.

Starting point is 00:12:40 Yeah, it was just kind of the environment around us, I think. At least you remember it, man. Like that's the problem is like stuff happens like. But at least you're a member of it, man. That's the problem is stuff happens like that to you when you're a kid and you forget it. And then you get this weird little limp, like a micro-limp, a weird little, you have anxiety attacks when you see ear lookers

Starting point is 00:12:56 or you don't know why. That's the problem, we forget. The mind forgets, but a lot of stuff just gets in there. Just gets in, dude, I was like a few months ago. I don't know, I mean, you know, I've done psychedelics my whole life. So like if I get a little wobbly, generally I'm just like, all right,

Starting point is 00:13:17 whatever you're wobbly today. But I was like particularly like weird. Like I was off, I don't know how off you get, but I was like off, off and my wife was off, I don't know how off you get, but I was like, off, off and my wife was like, what's going on with you? And I'm doing the role of Dex if I've been eating a lot of edibles. Am I getting enough sleep?

Starting point is 00:13:33 You know, and like everything's pretty normal. And then I'm like, fuck, I Google search because I try not to remember it when my mom died. That day. No. Didn't remember it. Didn't remember the date, but my body remembered it. And like I talked to my friend who's a psychiatrist,

Starting point is 00:13:50 he's like, yeah, that's seasonal triggers. They like activate people's grief. And some people don't even know that's what's happening. It's so wild, man. That's just stored in us forever. And what else is in there? Yeah. Like, surely it's not just the worst thing that happened to you.

Starting point is 00:14:07 It's probably lighter shades of things that, and you think that's your personality. It's just triggers. Yeah, a lot of our personality is basically it's the foliage that's built upon the sediment of the things that have happened to us as we grew. Yeah, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:24 You know, it's really fascinating. I think, yeah, I wonder how many two of the things that have happened to us as we grew. Yeah, man. You know, it's really fascinating. I think, yeah, I wonder how many two of those things can be like triggers from previous generations even, I mean, I think there's a lot of investigation into that now. Epigenetics. Yeah, and also, I mean, you see like a zygote or something, or what's that beautiful rock? Everybody, one of those beautiful rocks?

Starting point is 00:14:45 And you crack it open and it's got magic in it. It's just geodes. Yeah. So cool. God and you're like, wow, this is in there, you know? Yeah, right. Yeah, right. It's not a horrible shit inside of us.

Starting point is 00:14:58 I mean, that's the thing. Like underneath all the, or whatever the weird neurotic foliage you have is like for a lot of people, there's things like that. Oh yeah, and these are a lot of women that didn't have kids or whatever end up loving these things. That's what you would say, I didn't know that, is that true?

Starting point is 00:15:16 Yeah, these are like the pringles for women that couldn't, you know, like, didn't have a child, I think. I did not know that man, that's cool. I didn't, I guess I get it, it's kind of like, uh, didn't have a child. I did not know that, man, that's cool. I didn't, I guess I get it. It's kind of like a womb. It's like this universe and a womb or something. Well, if you really think about what would life be like, right? If you thought about life,

Starting point is 00:15:36 because I'm sure if you say you saw a little bit of bad, a little bucket of uterus or bucket of, uh, not uterus, but what's the placenta, right? If you saw a little placenta on the ground, you're like, oh, look, if you didn't know it's placenta, say you're walking by you, like, oh my God. Have you seen live placenta? A hip-apotomous sneeze over here. No.

Starting point is 00:15:54 Dude, when I saw placenta for the first time when my wife gave birth, it's an alien. Like that is not of this world. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen. And it's just, they just grow that, man. They can just do that. It's an organ that they grow and then eject. It's nuts. Who does it?

Starting point is 00:16:19 Who does what? Grow it. Well, I mean, I'm assuming like it's something, you know, the DNA. It's like, you know, once you're pregnant, it just sort of, it just, their body's not thinking about it. Oh, women. Who did you think I said? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:16:34 I thought someone was growing it somewhere. My friends are placina farmer. Indian fighting me over. And it was just, they grow it in aquariums. Lots of gizz. It's basically gizz and honey, and like, you know, depending on like everyone else at different restaurants. Yeah, yeah, a bunch of, there's a bunch of

Starting point is 00:16:49 Asians beating the rice off of it out in like little boats. There's all kinds of ways to make placidate, you know, these days, especially my grandmother's placidate recipe is insane. Oh, yeah, dude, yeah, I've had, yeah, I've had placidate. It's like, this depends on holiday, you know? Oh my God, when you get a wonderful placenta, it's just so, it's so great.

Starting point is 00:17:09 Hard to define these days. I don't mean to be like an old man and complain to it. When I was younger, you would get like much better placenta. The Christmas placenta, my grandparents would bring over. Oh my God. Oh my God. The smell of fresh placenta bubbling on the stove.

Starting point is 00:17:25 Cinnamon. Yes, it's roasting on an open fire. God, it was good. And my grandmother would put cinnamon on hers. Are you kidding me? It's so interesting, man. It's so interesting. Yeah, so this was like a big,

Starting point is 00:17:39 in my family over at Christmas dinner. My grandfather was like, why don't we add cinnamon to the placenta and like my grandmother just started weeping and walked out of the room. So ever since then I've been afraid to try it, but I've heard it gets you super high. Yeah, it's a real, I mean,

Starting point is 00:17:55 it's brought families together for years, I think. Yeah, I think it's an American tradition. I don't know why people are against it. It's just like, what, you can adapt, you can adjust. Yeah, have you ever read grapes of wrath dude? If we, that book was a half chapter away from them eating a bowl of boiled placenta. That's right.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah, just eat it, eat it, placenta, eat whatever you want. I mean, the last page of that book, they're breastfeeding off their own sibling, I think, because they were so starving in that book. I mean, did you hear like when they recovered Jim Morrison's body and the bathtub and Paris, his mouth was full of placenta. A lot of people think it was heroin that killed him, but like he got high in choked on placenta. Like perusion placenta.

Starting point is 00:18:40 Which is good. Oh yeah. I'm not a sound snobby, but I don't think anything beats the placenta of France. Yeah. You sound exactly like someone serving placenta in Paris. You've done this. You've been on the placenta tours. I want to know how placenta bike tour of Paris. I was first week of my life. Did

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Starting point is 00:22:13 ZIPX toothpicks.com. 10% off your first order of using code Theo at checkout. Must be 21 or older to order ZIP more. Smoke less with ZIPx nicotine toothpicks. That's great dude. Yeah, plus sentiment. It is so you saw it though when your wife had it. Oh, yeah, you see it. Yeah, you see it. I mean, well, you save it like these like these days They're actually recommending that you like save the placenta or I think it's a placenta like the idea is like in the placenta I could be wrong about this.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Maybe it's the umbilical cord. There's stem cells that theoretically in the next 10, 20 years, if you have access to your stem cells, from when you were first born, you could like reverse the aging process. So lots of people who can afford it are saving their stem cells, their placenta. I can't remember there's a name for it.

Starting point is 00:23:05 I think it's called cord blood. But all that stuff, like they cryogenically freeze it and then down the line, theoretically, you could like heal yourself, you could grow your body back. Oh, I would use that an arpeida thing. I would too. What is that? What are we savings, Acu?

Starting point is 00:23:21 Do you have any information on that? Yeah, cord blood is the right word, but it is, people do like save and eat the placenta. Or bury it. Do you want, I have a picture of a placenta if you want to see it. I'd love to. It's kind of strong though.

Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Wow. And is that cooked or not cooked? Bring it back out. That look like raw placenta. That's raw. Yeah, that's probably chef Anthony Bourdain's kitchen.

Starting point is 00:23:49 Or a cooking show or something. Oh, yeah, this looks like a little bit. Yeah, this ain't no Wolfgang puck. This looks like hot. This looks like real people do eat this. Oh, you're right. I've heard that in LA like women save the placenta and literally put it in like smoothies like that. Like people are like incorporated into daily.

Starting point is 00:24:04 Well, it's a new purse too. I think they're doing a purse now. You know what, the purse is beautiful. Gucci has a wonderful placina purse for the season of summer placina purse, but the, the, here's what's happened, what happens. And it's a real problem is that people bury their placina and they have a little ceremony for it,

Starting point is 00:24:23 but they don't bury it deep enough and their dogs dig it up. So you're like, you're like, you're sitting down to watch TV and you look and like, there's like half of eating placina on your couch. So you got to put in a box or bury it deep because dogs just love placina. Who, yeah, I can't even, it's everything. Yeah, it's everything a dog would want. It has blood in it. It's like, from the crotch area, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:50 it's like dogs love all that. Oh my God. It's, oh, yes, it's literally a dog stream food. Yeah, for sure. I, I do think it is kind of fascinating though that we don't have a, like, are we missing levels of ourselves in basic scans and information that, like, how close are we to be able to do a scan an MRI that tells us what's going on with ourselves at some different levels?

Starting point is 00:25:23 Like an emotional cat scan. Yeah. Emotional seems to be the level that seems to be a lot of the realm that we're really missing. I feel like when it comes to, like diagnoses. Yeah, for sure, because all the psychologist has to go on as what the patient is telling them, right? That's it.

Starting point is 00:25:46 You can't do anything other than that. Or like past behaviors, or you know, but still you don't know. I mean, this is, to me, the stounding part of being human is we're choosing to behave the way we do. Like, you will, many times I would like to think, I didn't really have a choice there. Like that, that just was a reaction to an event that spontaneously erupted out of me. But if you kind of mindfully study your worst moments, most of the time you'll realize there was like a micro moment where you decided to like do your defense mechanism that always

Starting point is 00:26:26 hurts people's feelings or gives you a feeling later of guilt or something. There's this weird microsecond where you decide to do it. Like your brain is some kind of computer and it's spits, it's like choose your an adventure and it spits out a few options and you pick the most annoying aggressive shitty one. You chose to do it. You know, you weren't possessed. Right. But the choice happens so quick that you could easily miss the choice. That's what's cool about it is you don't have to be the way you are at all. Change your clothes, change your haircut, get a face tattoo, whatever you want.

Starting point is 00:27:03 You could do whatever you want, but we're addicted to being us, you know. So habitual. Wow. You know, and it's one thing I noticed with doing meditation, right? That starts to help me as I'm not just like in the carriage of the rollercoaster I'm on. I'm not just, because usually I'm so attached

Starting point is 00:27:24 to my own life, I'm like, oh, this is what, on. I'm not just, because usually I'm so attached to my own life, I'm like, oh, this is what, but if I do some meditation, even for a couple of weeks, I'm start to have a little bit more separation from me and what I'm doing. So I'm like, oh, I do have a little bit more choice.

Starting point is 00:27:41 I can see a little bit more how I'm behaving instead of just behaving. Like, if you're always upset, if you're always anything or if you're, feel like you are just constantly in response to some choices that you're making and you're like, fuck, I don't know what's going on. Meditation has always given me a little bit of a step backwards. Like, oh, I'm not always just the guy sitting in the roller coaster car about to go on the ride. Now, sometimes I'm the person waiting by the side of it. Like I'm the conductor a little.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Yeah. It's like, oh, interesting. God. Roller coasters are a great way to describe it, man. There's a lot of antiquated ways of describing it. Cherry it attached to like the most powerful horses and if you can't control them, you're gonna get dragged wild elephant, wild elephant, but you know, that's a, you know, this is an Eastern,

Starting point is 00:28:38 you have to grow up and end it even know like what that means. I mean, I've seen videos of wild elephants, they're not great. The roller coaster, that's fucking awesome, man. Roller coaster. That's the new description of that. Smooth up red. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:51 Roller coaster. Yeah, but just not being so attached was help. I will say that that's the only time I'm able to get any insight into like, wow, look at my behaviors, look at what's going on. Instead of just being my behaviors. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:04 I mean, you know, something that's really wonderful is, if you, it's not like you have that pause that seems to expand with meditation, so you have a little more time to decide what you're going to do, it doesn't mean you're going to choose the well-behaved thing to do. It just means if you do choose to be an asshole, you know you did on purpose. You thought about it and you're like, I'm going to be a fucking asshole here. I'm deciding instead of spontaneously just going asshole mode. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:37 That's what meditation provides. It provides you the ability or the noticeability to go from spontaneously being an asshole to choosing to say, I'm going to be an asshole. What a gift! What a gift! No, you know one thing, I don't know because I haven't read this. Someone who's friends with him told me that once Eardrom does, the spiritual teachers say, if an asshole gets enlightened, then they're going to be

Starting point is 00:30:07 an enlightened asshole. It is all notion that you start meditating or take up the spiritual path. And like now, like, I don't know, you're making like Instagram videos in front of like crystal pools of water and beautiful forests with your beads and you're like emanating light. That is not the case. You just, like you're saying, you become the roller coaster conductor. At least you know that you are simultaneously controlling the ride and getting on the ride.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Yes. And there's some freedom in that, I think. Well, it's interesting because then you start to see, oh, well, what else could be going on in the depths of me when I'm not just sitting here in the site, like at the beach of myself? I'm not just, you know, it's like, I feel like that's one of the first steps in the story of getting into like realizing there's more to you than just being this reactive substance described as like a human. Reactive substance.

Starting point is 00:31:13 Is that what the aliens call us? That's probably what they thought it was at first. There's these reactive, there's a bunch of reactive substance on that planet. Yeah. We don't know what it is. Sometimes it like gets into vehicles, we think it's vehicles. Yeah. We don't know what it is. Sometimes it like gets into vehicles, we think it's vehicles. Yeah. Yeah. Once sometimes a doctor tells one of one of them tells them they have black guys in their head as a child. Yeah. I know. Well, you know, I did like I did read that maybe

Starting point is 00:31:37 that is the reason even though these days, I guess you can't say we're not getting visited, but one of the theories on why aliens are coming here is because they don't consider us intelligent life. So they just see us as some, just like what you're saying, some kind of like vaguely-senshin reactive meat and not worth visiting. I think that makes sense. I mean, I've long thought the reason why I think aliens used to come a lot, probably back in the day, right? They came a lot. That's why you saw a lot of Egyptians drawing them. Yeah. You know, and, um, and even the fact that they would stay stable long enough for an Egyptian to draw them, because in a, you know, like, they had to get a candle, they had to light it, they had to get the guy who could draw like it was a little bit more of them. Yeah, sometimes

Starting point is 00:32:22 chiseling. Yeah, there was a more than just us grabbing a phone, right? Yeah. But I think, yeah, they used to come by a lot and then they realized it's kind of boring. We've come like one of the boring theme parks in the galaxy. So if your parents, if your alien parents take you to the earth for your graduation,

Starting point is 00:32:39 I bet the other aliens like, what a fucking loser to your parents to get a fucking, nobody's been there in forever, dude. How poor you guys. It's like a six flags knockoff. Yes. Like one of those shitty, like shitty, there's theme parks where they don't even try to clean up the puke. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:57 There's this puke splattered everywhere. You'll probably get like pick pocketed. You look at the kids controlling the roller coaster and they're like clearly on PCP. They're not paying attention. Your people die, you know people die there. But yeah, that's probably it. Yeah, one of the guys running the rises in a coma,

Starting point is 00:33:15 but they have to hide like the governments if you have to hire more comatose people. Yeah. It's like, yeah, the guy's like, just like has his morphine button and his fucking start the ride button confused. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:33:28 I mean, any theme park, I mean, that is really like, to me, the more terrifying than the roller coaster itself is when you look at the person controlling the roller coaster. And then imagine, like, what if that person was controlling subways in New York? Would you feel okay about that? But the roller coaster is probably more dangerous than so. Totally.

Starting point is 00:33:47 It's like it shouldn't even work. It's like using weird physics. They hired a roller coaster architect. They could afford them for a couple of weeks through some together. And then they just let like a 17 year old on like synthetic marijuana for sure. Oh yeah, control that fucking thing for.

Starting point is 00:34:09 Yeah, and then he spends, that kid, he lobbies to get a DJ there at the same time, like for the ride, right? Like, they're like, we could spend more money on safety and he's like, no way, dude. We need my boy Ricky right here to spin his tables on the side. That's right. And you know, they have insurance.

Starting point is 00:34:29 So they're just like, look, I'm paying a shit ton of money for roller coaster insurance. If someone gets hurt, they get fucking hurt. We're getting a DJ. We're covered legally. It says the rhythm of a night. I think he's having a seizure. I think the roller coaster operator just had a micro seizure. Yeah. Oh, he's having a seizure, dude.

Starting point is 00:34:52 Beat up the beat, bro. We got a drop the beat. That'll help him. Dude, I was in the back of a shit roller coaster at a shit theme park, just like you're describing. And whoever was in charge of checking the straps comes back to me. I was just a kid man. And she looks at me and she's like, you're not even supposed to be sitting in the back.

Starting point is 00:35:14 The person next to you says, heavy, there's a chance you could break a rib. There wasn't, I'm gonna take you out and put you in a different seat. She just said that as she's tightening the thing that's holding me in the car, and then it just goes. And she was right, like the person next to me was smashing. It hurt, like yeah, I didn't break my ribs. It should hurt, man.

Starting point is 00:35:36 Yeah, it hurt. It should hurt. So what kind of meditation do you do, Theo? What I do is I wake up in the morning, I say a prayer, I do a reading, and then I do 10 minutes of meditation. I just close my eyes. I just sit there, and if any thoughts come up, I try to all of a sudden pass and not attach to them.

Starting point is 00:36:00 Cool. I set my phone timer for 10 minutes, and that's it. And then I do like a written meditation after that, where I'll just write for 10 minutes straight, just whatever comes into my mind. Stream of consciousness. Yeah, that's great, man. You do that every day.

Starting point is 00:36:13 I've done that every day, man. I would say, or at least six days a week, I would say for probably the past few months, four months, maybe. Wow, that's incredible. It makes you feel a little bit more like, like I'm okay to think about stuff and not just be as reactive sometimes.

Starting point is 00:36:27 Yeah, man, I mean, that's amazing. That's a long four months of like, that kind of practices a big deal. Yeah, it feels pretty good, man. But yeah, I think I went to, well, let me think about that a little bit more, but yeah, I think Earth, I do believe in just going back to the alien thing that I think that Earth is,

Starting point is 00:36:48 it's that old theme park where it's like, dude, we're not driving all the way out there, there's nothing out there. All the information is these people are just, yeah. Trying to butt fuck and just looking at, you know, and growing yard drugs, like we're not going over there again. I'm picturing the alien display,

Starting point is 00:37:08 like the Star Trek display as that pops up is what the analysis of planet Earth is. That's amazing. And they're just like, yeah, that's not worth our time. Yeah. We're not gonna burn vest being crystals to fucking go to that piece of shit. Now it will at some point though become hip with alien youth

Starting point is 00:37:28 To come back here and do something because that's how everything is right like at some point it becomes cool to go to the To go into graveyard like for you know, there's always like this 20 years where nobody gives a shit about graveyards Nobody mentions them blah blah blah blah even on, even on Halloween, nobody's popping in. But then something flares up where Graviars are fucking popping up again, you know? Man, my friend ran a graveyard and it was a big problem. Goths fucking on the graves. Really? Yeah, they had a problem with Goths fucking on the graves and Peacocks. Wow. I guess the Peacocks, I can't remember the problem of the peacocks. Either they were like aggressive or they were too loud or something, but the main problem

Starting point is 00:38:08 was at night, goss with like squirming under the gate and just fuck on graves. Yeah. Some reason. It's like a, that's a bit like if you're running a graveyard, which by the way is apparently like a very profitable business, then you have to have a plan for what to do when people come and hump on the tombs because there's some, I don't know what it is. There's some kind of, you know, I went jogging in that graveyard once and I was so thirsty Theo and I turn on a spiket and just drink some water and then I realize I'm drinking

Starting point is 00:38:48 fucking graveyard. This is graveyard water. There's no way. That's grave gravy, baby. You're sipping on it. You're sipping on it. Grave gravy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:58 It didn't taste good either, man. It had a weird tang to it. Yeah, that's fucking marrow, son. Oh, God. Oh, God. Yeah a marrow, son. Oh, god. Oh, god. Dude, you could sell that though. There's no way you could insult pure death filtered water. Grave water.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Grave water. They already had, what is it? Like what's the new canned water ever? Like with death, it's like that's their premium. Yes. Bottleed at a cemetery in New Orleans. It doesn't have great sanitation. You are getting, I don't know if you've seen, I've never been a shit cemetery.

Starting point is 00:39:36 Speaking of shit, theme parks, never been to a non and you smell, you can smell the death and some of the graves like the crib. Yeah, they're hatched open a little bit or somebody's yeah Yeah, people get in there people steal a bone. I remember people. Oh, they love it I will do I grew up in a neighborhood between a lot of people would drive from like the main thoroughfare in town And then they would go through our neighborhood, which is pretty dumpy and go on to like kind of wealthier areas And we were right outside of the city limits are the town limits which was pretty dumpy and go on to like kind of wealthier areas. And we were right outside of the city limits or the town limits. I think we lived in a town, but a lot of people would just throw shit out

Starting point is 00:40:14 and once they got outside of the city limits, because there wasn't like a, you couldn't get a fine for it. Yeah. So a lot of, uh, there was a veterinaryian that would throw out all the animal shit in our yard, like in our ditch by us, right? No. Yeah. So they'd have dead animal carcasses out there all the time.

Starting point is 00:40:34 So we were always beating each other with fucking, you know, fucking, uh, beach, like, beach on famous and shit or just whipping each other. If you got a fucking big Labrador, German Shepherd fucking Tibia that came through, well, it would be the fuck out of each other with that. Cause you, for sure they're telling the people who are euthanizing their animals, they're saying to them, don't worry, we're gonna cremate these bodies

Starting point is 00:41:01 and we're gonna give you the ashes. Yeah. So what they have is probably just a pile of ash because it's probably expensive to run a cremation service for animals. Oh yeah. So they're sending fake ash to the like grieving dog owners. Or barbecue ash, something probably out of a pit.

Starting point is 00:41:19 Yeah. And so the dog owners have no idea that the fucking vans are beating each other with their beloved dog's spine. It- Wop that tree. Remember that song? Wop that tree. So sad.

Starting point is 00:41:32 But it was crazy. We'd have all this, so we'd be- We'd also like, we'd do like paleontology where like make cool animals and perium and like, there was some cool stuff like that, but yeah, after a while my mom would get so pissed because the yard would always smell like dead animals. Jesus Christ, man.

Starting point is 00:41:47 So we had this abundance of dead animal smell, which is a tough smell to enjoy your childhood in. You don't want to play in, you know. That's horrible, man. It was bad. And nobody cared at the city, man. And so that's what made me hate government right out the gate, you know, is like,

Starting point is 00:42:03 if we had a little more money, they would have come and got the animals out, you know? It's the beginning of a horror movie for sure. Like somebody like has their like demonic dog, euthanized, and it's like, you have to make sure you cremate this fucking thing. And it's like, I'll cremate it, sure. There you go.

Starting point is 00:42:20 Of course, I'll cremate it. Yeah, I'll cremate that bitch right now. Yeah, well, you just throw it in the Vaughn's yard. The boys like to make art with the bones. At one little fella. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. He start calling him queer for no reason, like Jesus.

Starting point is 00:42:35 He's just playing with the bones, dude. Yeah, that's how you know, for sure. That's really crazy, man. I can't, I'm just trying to picture it like my childhood being defined by the loft of death. That's dark, man. That's dark. How long did that go on for?

Starting point is 00:42:57 Probably, I would say three years probably. Maybe, and the summer, I think, was the worst because of the smell. And it would kind of happen in shifts. It wouldn't be like every day, they would throw stuff out there, you know? There would be kind of a time of the month or whatever. I don't want to make it like, you know, you know, whatever that's called,

Starting point is 00:43:16 periodical or whatever, but it would be like a time of the month where the guy would just come and toss it all out there. They'd run it through and toss it out at night. I wonder why you picked your house. Well, they just picked along our street. Okay, I got you. So I think because it was just right outside of city limits, you know,

Starting point is 00:43:31 and I think they probably lived in like some of the nicer areas. So they was kind of this pass through McGee Street over there and Covington, Louisiana. And people would just, they'd throw all kind of stuff out over there. But you did, I remember this one girl had a little collection of like the little necklet

Starting point is 00:43:46 or the dog little things. Like dog parts? No, like little medallions. You know, some dogs wear like a... Oh, the call, she was collecting their ID tags or something. Yeah, like some dogs wear little jewelry, I guess if they're like fucking, you know, from Florida or whatever,

Starting point is 00:44:03 I don't even know why they would do it, but I think what? Like, but the bedazzled cars, like, like tricks here, some fluff here, but, you know, buddy or whatever. Yeah, that's weird, man. But shit, a little collection of those, but it was weird shit like that in our area. You know, that a prosthetic limb place bus and we people were always, we'd go in their dumps

Starting point is 00:44:22 or sometimes and get a fucking extra limb out that bitch. That's fun. I get that. Yeah. But yeah, I get that. I wouldn't, and I get like as a kid being excited in some weird way about having like animal carcasses in a ditch like that is interesting.

Starting point is 00:44:36 There's something cool about that. Yeah, it was interesting. But it's gonna get old, that's all. Yeah, and the waft of it was bad. That was the worst part. And I think my mom hated that. She hated, you know, leaving us there and being under the waft of those was bad. That was the worst part. And I think my mom hated that. She hated leaving us there and being under the waft of those animals probably.

Starting point is 00:44:48 You know, since it's tight, it just haunts everything. You know, it's the smell of death. You're not supposed to like it. Like it's supposed to tell you don't go here. This is a place that you might get killed. That's why we don't like it, right? This is a place where you might get eaten. It smells like death here.

Starting point is 00:45:02 That's a bear ate somebody. So don't go there. So your DNA is telling you, you gotta get the fuck It smells like death here. That's a bear ate somebody, so don't go there. So your DNA is telling you got to get the fuck out of here, man. Things are dying here. And you're just forced to live there. Yeah, it was an interesting area, man. But yeah, I think that's the thing. There will come a time.

Starting point is 00:45:21 And maybe it's coming now, because alien seems to be the gaining popularity. I don't know if it's gaining popularity or if it's gaining more sightings or whatever. What is this? Yeah, this is actually pretty topical. NASA just held a four hour press conference about UFOs for the first time

Starting point is 00:45:39 and they're basically admitting that it's a daily occurrence at this point. UFOs. There's one thing that's happened since this weirdly boring NASA press conference where they did say this. Did you see the thing? There, there's now a whistleblower who has come forward and said that the United States has alien spaceship wreckage

Starting point is 00:46:01 and a congressman, I can't remember his name, gave a statement at the press thing, they were debriefed that in fact we have alien wreckage that they're about to have hearings on it. So all the UFO people are, yeah, that's it. The word definitely not a lone thing. People are really freaking out right now because you know, this is what all the UFO people have been saying is coming disclosure.

Starting point is 00:46:25 So yeah, it's that guy. A whistleblower says he handed over classified evidence proving that a secret government program has been recovering spaceships and aliens for decades. We're definitely not alone. David Grush says he's a former intelligence and military official. Hmm. Uh, represent it. Rep Republican Dean Phillips,

Starting point is 00:46:55 a representative dean Phillips from Minnesota, uh, Democrat. And my first reaction is probably like everybody watching this, which is wow. And secondly, I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, that's fair. You're not supposed to immediately believe UFO. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:47:10 But what's interesting about this is that the denial that usually happens when things, like someone says, it's not really happening in the same way. And again, there was a congressman who said, we were debrief. Like, did you ever see that cre- so like they did hearings on UAPs a while ago. And then after the hearing, they debriefed the feds, the Congress, the Congress, they debriefed them. And they didn't interview

Starting point is 00:47:40 with one of these representatives in the hallway after he just got told whatever the fuck they told him. And he said, you can find on YouTube, he said something on the lines of, lock your doors and windows tonight, folks. That was his response. Like whatever they told him, inspired him to say we should lock our doors.

Starting point is 00:47:59 Like it's gonna keep an alien out. Yeah. Lock your doors have a classified hearing on UFOs. Oh, Louisiana Center. And now we're talking. Yeah, man. This is the same state that couldn't keep brothers outside of my head when I was a kid.

Starting point is 00:48:15 Dude, I'm telling you, you get like, this is nuts. You can walk, are you allowed to show YouTube videos on you? There's a clip of him doing it. It's hilarious. Is this him right here doing it? Oh, yeah, that's it. I did a five flying objects that a couple of weeks doing it. It's hilarious. Is this him right here doing it? Oh yeah, that's it. That's it.

Starting point is 00:48:25 That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Starting point is 00:48:33 That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Starting point is 00:48:41 That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That is not accurate. These objects have been flying over us for years, many years. We've known about those objects for many years. We're not sure that we've known about all of them, but we've known about many of them, except for the Chinese spy balloon, we don't know what they are. What's different about the last two weeks is that we've started shooting them down, but we can't find the remnants except for the the the the

Starting point is 00:49:27 Spible and that's what I took away from the hearing today. So I don't know if he paid attention during the whole hearing now. Confetti raining down like confetti. It's a great descriptor. Yeah, that's why I don't yeah, I think. But maybe I could see if there's an alien life form, you shoot it, you, whatever. And it dissipated, part of the way it's constructed is not to fall down to this.

Starting point is 00:49:57 That would be the first thing I would make of something that can't leave evidence. Right, like exactly, but, based on the stuff that's coming out right now, and you know, I love UFOs in the same way I love like stories about magic and miracles. And I, but I don't go full bore into it because ultimately, like day-to-day reality isn't impacted, like, you know, mundane reality. Right. Taking care of the kids, paying the mortgage.

Starting point is 00:50:25 So you can get too distracted by that stuff and spin out. But this moment in the United States history is really fascinating in the sense that if we go back to Roswell, it was a weather balloon. That's what they say. Even though there's like many accounts of people saying that they saw aliens, there was weird wreckage that seemed to be able to, like you could bend it out of shape and it would go back into the form it was.

Starting point is 00:50:53 Just like weird shit. Right. This gets denied by the government. It was wreckage, weird stories about it, whatever. We get Area 51, you know what I mean? Like it has its own airplane that flies people in. You get a variety of like early phase government whistleblowers like Lazar. I think is his name. Alan Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar. Yeah. Bob Lazar. You get like that. And then these people get

Starting point is 00:51:22 creamed in the media. It's like that's a lunatic. He never worked to area 51 This is bullshit. He's like a con artist whatever But now what's happening is instead of the denial that generally follows the whistleblower's admission of the us like having some connection to aliens It's not getting denied as much anymore and in fact this whistleblower program they just created makes it. So anyone who signed an NDA, he was a private contractor, and has been assigned to work on alien wreckage can now come forward and say, I worked on this shit and they get full immunity. Because that apparently was the back door.

Starting point is 00:51:59 Like, you, so there was these programs you could hire like, I don't know, name any like Raytheon. I don't know for sure like I don't know name any like Raytheon I don't know for sure. They I don't know if they have wreckage. I'm just throwing out like it Yeah, great beyond higher rate. They're a cell. Derr higher higher Duracell say look We've got this ship it crashed. Can you guys hang on to it try to reverse engineer it and so now a private contractor It's collected the wreckage has the wreck, meaning if you're asked under oath, do we have wreckage? You could say no.

Starting point is 00:52:29 And because we don't, a private contractor has the wreckage. That was the loophole. Oh, that was the loophole. So now they set up this whistleblower program and all these people like that guy are starting to come out. People who just like worked at Hyundai, or I don't know, worked at like,

Starting point is 00:52:44 Dodge Neon. Dodge Neon and they were like, Hey, what can you reverse engineer this thing that seems to be bending the time space continuum? And they're like, No, but they couldn't say anything about it because they signed these hardcore NDAs. So now they're all leaking the data. So we're getting this weird, slow leak from all these people that's painting a picture. And that's a real program that they allow. Now, how did that program get created, the whistle blow program? So what was happening was,

Starting point is 00:53:12 well, the biggest problem is like people, apparently people get around these things. And everyone listening, you can look all this up. It's like, oh, it's, I've got the documents. It's real. Like it's not like like I'm just, it's real. You can find all this stuff, but the biggest problem is you're a Navy pilot. And you see something that is not functioning according to your understanding. Not kosher, seems odd.

Starting point is 00:53:38 It's going so fast, it's stopping, it's just stopping like it's a cursor on a computer screen. Then it's going the opposite direction. It's jamming your radar. It doesn't seem to have windows, right? So you see that and your choices are, do I say I saw what is obviously a UFO? And if you do, you could really like fuck your career up. So you couldn't talk about it. The other problem is that apparently people who get too close to these things,

Starting point is 00:54:06 they have, there's a physiological impact. So let's imagine you got close to one of these things and now you're sick. The VA won't pay for it. Because there are no UFOs. What are you talking about? And so inadvertently you end up creating a situation where people won't say what they're seeing up in the sky, which isn't great if you're trying to defend the sky.

Starting point is 00:54:27 We want to know what's out there. You want to know everything that's flying through US Airspace, right? So yeah, the Whizzle Blower program was, I think, initially to kind of create a safe way of saving. A safe haven, yeah. Where people could say, okay, this is what I saw. I don't want to endanger myself. I don't want to endanger not being able to get

Starting point is 00:54:46 medical care and things like that. That's it. Yeah, and then, and now it's sort of like, now that it's working, it's, you know, all you need is like one person to come forward. It's like me too for aliens. Just one person, and the next person, and Just one person, then the next person, then the next person, then the next person.

Starting point is 00:55:07 You know, that's what's happening. All these people who've kept this shit completely secret. Oh, I'm sure bottled up. Imagine the people that have molested people or something just because they saw an alien and they did not have processed it. Or went insane or like, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:23 like so many things. Yeah, beat their spouse or just imagine a guy, he saw something in his whole life, he spent hiding things from him, like taking anything and hiding. And like just weird, there's weird ways that people react to things that are seen beyond them, you know?

Starting point is 00:55:42 It eats you alive and then add to it that apparently these people have been threatened with death that whoever's running this shit is not fucking around. They don't want the general populace. They don't want the world to know that this has happened because apparently, and again, this is just conjecture here.

Starting point is 00:56:02 Obviously, from a military perspective, if you figure out how those things can fly and you build a fleet of them, you, it's like the new Adam bomb, like you are have complete superiority in the sky. And like, if you're living in the United States right now, you want us to be the ones. You want to be first. You don't want some other country who they apparently all have this shit to like win this race. But what about Mexico dog? You know, they don't

Starting point is 00:56:31 have the fucking strong. They're like, no, these motherfuckers dog. That'd be incredible. If I was said, they have the most advanced here. So God has come up with the fucking and bro. It's the lowest riding UFO ever like the UFO It's only like two inches off the ground like dog this bitch is fucking it goes it goes too high Dog we don't this bitch goes too fucking high Dude it would be you're right. It would be interesting like whoever gets it is gonna be fucking cool We should have a show where every country brings their it brings their latest like you A sick dude, it would be you're right. It would be interesting like whoever gets it is going to be fucking cool. We should have a show where every country brings their brings their latest like you ever ever have that they made.

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Starting point is 01:00:21 Lucy products are only for adults of legal age and every order is age verified warning. This product contains nicotine. nicotine is an addictive chemical. Dude, you know, it's an exciting time, man. It's like whatever it is. Even if it's because at this point, it is exciting. It's exciting. Like, and what are you gonna do about it? Right. What are you gonna do about it? All you're gonna do is stay alive. Yeah, hopefully. And yeah, fine. You can't let it affect all this stuff affect you that much.

Starting point is 01:00:50 Like you have to have some tongue-in-cheek look at all of it. Right, just enjoy the fact that you get to live in a time period in American history where the federal government seems to no longer be denying the thing that people have been saying forever. But we heard my question, and they will be, what's in it for the federal government that they would now not deny it? Well, I think that's one of the most important questions regarding this situation is why? Why suddenly are they kind of slow leaking this information?

Starting point is 01:01:27 Like, I don't know the answer to that. Like, I have no idea. Well, some things could be, I mean, just off top of my head is, if they want us to believe in some sort of universal protector then that will come along, Like some things, some organization, some like insurance against aliens in a way, not an actual like you pay 40 bucks a month, but like as in creating some new world, or if there's that part of that regime that this one world order type of thing, if they,

Starting point is 01:02:03 I'm just trying to think of the upside. What is somebody gain? Do we need a new enemy? Are they realizing that like religion isn't working enough on people anymore or the fear of there's not enough fear imposed on people at the, you know, I don't know or it could just be that that's blue beam. You're talking about blue beam. That's the big conspiracy theory.

Starting point is 01:02:25 That's like essentially, there's two possibilities. One you just said, which I guess, if you're gonna do like Occam's razor, that is the most likely one, right? What is Occam's razor? The simplest solution is generally the solution. So in this case, it's more likely, this is a human operation than aliens based on our

Starting point is 01:02:47 understanding of physics and the distance of habitable galaxies where they have planets in the Goldilocks region, the amount of time it would take to get here based on what we understand about how fast you can go. Mm-hmm. Probably if you're going to, if you're going to bet, bet it's not an alien, right? In Vegas. If you're betting, you're probably, you're gonna bet it's not an alien, right? In Vegas, if you're betting, you should always bet that's not an alien. That's a human thing. You're gonna win most of the time.

Starting point is 01:03:13 So that is one of the possibilities. It's a very sinister idea being there's some social control benefit related to tricking the population of the planet into thinking there's aliens. That's probably not the Yakums razor of it then. I mean, the other side of it is, well, we live on a planet that's been being visited by a variety of alien species that more than likely genetically engineered us a long time ago and like shifted us from proto hominids into what we are now probably for a reason that we're not going to like, like they like were rumbers or something. I mean, that's one of the theories is they just wanted gold. So they genetically engineered us to like gold. So we naturally mine fucking

Starting point is 01:04:03 gold for them because we like shiny shit. We like gold. And that they use it as some kind of fuel. Oh, yeah. Have you seen basketball wives did? No. At the whole shows about that. Oh, gold. Right. They love gold. It's crazy. It's like, what are we even doing here? Right. It doesn't make sense. Like why do you like this shiny, stupid, heavy, fucking metal. Why are you into that so much? There's so many other cooler metals out there, but gold obsession is a real thing. So the theory is these Anunnaki programmed us to like gold

Starting point is 01:04:33 because they needed for their spaceships. They didn't give a shit about us. They're just like, what's the farm some gold here? That's brilliant from that perspective. So that to me is a far more complex and weird explanation than just the military industrial complex has like networked with other governments.

Starting point is 01:04:53 And they're like, I think they're at the point, they're so fucking dumb. They're gonna believe there's aliens and like we can manipulate them. That's what it seems like. That's what it would seem like to me because I don't know, unless they're like,

Starting point is 01:05:10 we're getting to the point where so many people are being like, there's so much evidence, the more you make me think this is not real, the more I'm just thinking you are not honest. Right. Like at a certain point, the residual effect of the of the magic trick isn't, it doesn't cause the beautiful deception anymore. It causes you to hate the magician.

Starting point is 01:05:36 Exactly. Exactly. So that's the thing that's weird, bra, is like, you know, why? Why? And look, I would love to see it. Would I like to meet an alien? I don't know, dude. You would. Give me a break. You know, just from our few podcasts together and conversations we had, I don't, I think,

Starting point is 01:05:58 wouldn't you like it? Of course you like to meet an alien. It'd be the coolest thing ever. Don't you wanna know what they smell like? No one ever talks about that. What are they smell like? What is the, what is a gray aliens head smell like? Hmm. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:13 Is it bitter? Is it a stinky smell? Is it fishy? Oh, they're fishy, dude. I'm not. I'm out. Bro, how much would this smell of aliens depend on how much we give a fuck about it anymore? Oh, what?

Starting point is 01:06:27 Huge, bro. If they smell anything like a Korean pet store, dude, I'm fucking gone. Dude, close encounters with a third kind. Spoiler, if you haven't seen it, I'm going to spoil it. The very end, the guy who's been building the mud mountains happily walks into the spaceship, the beautiful musical spaceship. Imagine the fucking thing closes and you catch that first waft of deep like fish laying out in the beach smell as you're like light speed heading away from the planet.

Starting point is 01:07:00 That's gonna be what you smell forever as you look out at the That's gonna be what you smell forever. As you look out at the vastness of space, black holes, all the beauty of space, all you can think about is there's just this stink rotting eggs and fucking fish. Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, we would hate him, aliens, immediately we would hate him. Like these stinky motherfuckers smell so bad and they refuse to like take showers.

Starting point is 01:07:28 They're like, no, we don't do that. No, we'll evaporate you before we'll take a fucking shower. No, we're the advanced intelligence. You're supposed to stink. They're like, no, this is one of the many things we figured out. If you don't stink, you haven't evolved. We used to not stink, and then we learned, we learned.

Starting point is 01:07:49 This is our purpose here to admit foul odors. Dude, I wonder also, the odors that we closet so much now, right? Like from shaving, washing, and all the things that we do and using a weightment. How much of that were like taking out of like, how much other stuff would I gather about you if you came in with two, say, 80 days of hot smell on you. 80 days of fresh dunkin' on you. Post burning man dunkin'.

Starting point is 01:08:22 Yeah. You come fuckin' in. You've been hugging your kid. You've been with your wife. You worked a couple of long weeks, right? You fucking been on seven flights. Yeah. But you get the full, like I wonder how much are we killing off like some of that to go back to that like scan of people. Like how much of that was in our brains that we knew how to scan, that we were able, that we were able to gather more. Like what if we were the aliens initially? I gotcha.

Starting point is 01:08:51 And we've domed our cell, we've, we've killed off all of those things. I gotcha. Yeah, man, I gotcha. It's like the, there's this, I heard of this study where they took, and I don't know how they did this.

Starting point is 01:09:04 And I'm not a scientist, and honestly, when I hear about studies, maybe one out of 100, I try to actually read the study, and then when I do try, I realize how dumb I am. I'm like, I don't understand statistics, but so all that being said, apparently, is a study. They found like good genetic matches for women, and they, like based on their genetics genetics and this person's genetics somehow, this is like

Starting point is 01:09:29 they would theoretically make a great baby. So they take these dude shirts, put them in Ziploc bags, and they let the women just smell the shirts. So the women are like smelling like, you know, 10 shirts and they're like, pick the one that you would want to go on a date with. Right? And so apparently all of them picked the right genetic match based on the stink of the shirt.

Starting point is 01:09:55 Well, but the ones who didn't, they were on birth control. So there was some weird connection to like, something about that was cutting off what you're talking about, the ability to discern from someone's stink. It's some subliminal level what's going on with it. And yeah, man, it's a good question. Like how much of the problems we're having right now are just because we don't stink enough.

Starting point is 01:10:20 Like we're supposed to smell, you're supposed to smell horrible all day long. Honest stink, good stink. I would hate that world though, man. I would, I like not stinking. Yeah, I've grown accustomed to it. Now, if you gateway stank me, if you did some gateway stanking where like you, somebody stopped by this stank or you put me in an Uber for four minutes

Starting point is 01:10:44 and like, oh, that guy stinks. Yeah. And then next day, you do me a six minute uber and then two days later, I have to, you know, I have to stay sleep overnight at a buddy's apartment who lives right next door to like, you know, can a can a Barry row or whatever. Well, I got a place that they always talked about. Canary row. Canary row.

Starting point is 01:11:03 Right. So like, if you keep up in the stink on me, we're eventually, I fucking wanted something that's staying. Yeah. I wanted to meet a bitch by the sand and fucking in a... That's great. Awhu. It's hot.

Starting point is 01:11:17 You know, we're in Kiyohi or somewhere. It's nice, isn't it? It's nice that the non-steralized human, it's not like, it's a terrible smell. And you know, how much of what we consider to be, like, B.O. is actually just all the weird shit they put in our food. How much of it is just our body's desperate attempts

Starting point is 01:11:36 to vent, like, cheetos, where your body's like, I gotta get the shit out. It's like, you know, they're dumping Fukushima right now. They don't want it to do with the Fukushima radioactive water, and they're dumping it in the ocean. It's like, I gotta get the shit out. It's like, you know, they're dumping Fukushima right now. They don't want it to do with the Fukushima radioactive water. And they're dumping it in the ocean. It's like that. Our bodies are just trying to get the poisons out of us. Like, you know, like think of like when you drink a lot that next day,

Starting point is 01:11:57 you smell like booze. It's so gross. Oh, it's crazy. We've had on the tour and we've had tour manager tour people come on the tour who drink a lot. And in the morning, you'll walk through like the little butt, like the part where the bunks are and the people are sleeping in there. Yeah. And who'd be like, oh my God. And you can, since I don't drink, I can smell almost what they've had sometimes. It's crazy. They've had beer, they've had vodka.

Starting point is 01:12:20 I had some time. It's crazy. They've had beer, they've had vodka. Oh, and, or when your piss smells like coffee, I don't know if that's, you know, that's, or I don't know if you've ever eaten so much weed that your bio start smelling like weed. It happens. It's just, you know, it happens.

Starting point is 01:12:38 And I've heard, now this is probably bullshit that, probably isn't. Like saints, like gurus, people who've meditated their whole lives have gained enlightenment. They smell different. Like they smell sweet and perfume you like the original smell of humans was or I know it's Filipinos. What do you mean? They I mean Filipinos.

Starting point is 01:12:58 I couldn't name seven Filipinos. It'll smell good. Really? Or wait, you're using them as an example of like a bad smell? No, I think they're in a lighten people. Oh, they smell good. Oh, I got you. Man, I mean, it's probably a mark against me

Starting point is 01:13:13 that I'm not familiar with the smell of Filipinos. That's sad. I wonder if one ethnicity doesn't filter as well as the other. I'm sure. We all have so many differences. Whitney Cummins is having a baby. What? That's amazing. I didn't know that. That's so cool. Wow. When did that? She, I smelled it on her. You smelled the baby? Yeah, I would have been good.

Starting point is 01:13:40 What's that? You're growing life, Whitney. See, I've been in the old days. That was possible. There's no way you couldn't roll up on somebody and smell if they were in a relationship. If they were sad. Yeah. If they were, if they had probably defecated recently, if they had had a birthday.

Starting point is 01:14:03 Right. You just named everything that happened to me today. The, the, the um, but there's a, think about all the things in this email that cause it's like, we don't, there's a lot of stuff. Dude, sight gives you so many clues bro. You've ever been on a little bit of mushrooms or something or done some ayahuasca

Starting point is 01:14:24 and you can tell somebody's entire life story You've ever been on a little bit of mushrooms or something or done some eye-awasking. You can tell somebody's entire life story by looking right in their eyes and you're right. Dude, this is why I don't do acid and public anymore. Because like, you might be having a great time, but then all of a sudden, for whatever reason, you literally experience a person's consciousness. Like it transfers to you. You see the pain. You see the sadness, the anger, the bitterness,

Starting point is 01:14:49 a heartbreak, and you just wanted to have fun. You wanted to go out to a bar and drink, but suddenly you're being inundated by a person. You're like, what happened to you? Yeah, man. That's a lot. And they're like, Randy's dead. And you're like, God.

Starting point is 01:15:02 Is that, I think this is why like, Claire avoidance. You hear Claire avoidance complain and stuff or like psychics or whatever. They don't like it. They don't want to be sensitive like that because that's their daily experience is just getting blasted by people's karma. And it hurts and you don't know what to do.

Starting point is 01:15:20 Yeah, I could imagine. I think there's also probably a lot of lazy psychics out there. Yeah, for sure. And I like, uh, yeah, here comes a little bit more information about, you know, Brenda, you know, they don't give it all. They know it all open to cano worms. Like, when the fucking ignore that their grandmother is like talking to the psychic. She killed me. She fucking burned my body and hydrochloric acid. Port me in Theovon's yard. Please call the police and the psychic is like, I fuck that.

Starting point is 01:15:56 The psychic is like grandma says hello. Yeah, she loves you. She loves you. She loves you. She's happy you're doing well. Yeah, and she just wanted me to say, yeah, she thinks you have a beautiful yard or something. She likes it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:09 That sucks, man. I don't like getting around psychics. Because, and also, masseuses, I get creeped out by it because I feel like sometimes they, you know, masseuses are often weirdly psychic because they're touching bodies all day. And I get creeped out like, are you detecting something?

Starting point is 01:16:25 Are you sensing some psychic blockage that I need to be working on that you're afraid to tell me? It makes sense that they can do it some of them can. You know, they have all those raky healers and those people that are really, what is raky? Let's bring it up, Zachary, please.

Starting point is 01:16:41 Have you heard of this stuff? Yeah. It's therapy, it's therapy. Raky therapy is a way of guiding energy throughout. Uh, guiding energy is basically the idea that we all have an unseen life force energy that flows through our bodies. According to the International Center for Raky training, a raky practitioner gently moves her hands.

Starting point is 01:17:04 So it seems to be, and I've seen this as well, I've only been offered Raky from a woman, removes her hands just above her on the client's clothes body with the intention of reducing stress and promoting healing by encouraging healthy flow of energy. Yeah, it's like how much of a vessel are we?

Starting point is 01:17:25 Let me hit that record there. You got it, man. I was feeling guilty. Oh no, don't do it. Don't retrigger it, man. Don't retrigger it, Theo. It's a horrible addiction. I know it is.

Starting point is 01:17:38 I want out. I've been thinking about getting acupuncture. Like go ahead, it's actually a very good way. It's a nice flavor. What do you think? It's not great. It is really good, man. I'm sorry. It's okay. This is our lives, man. You know, I came in here and poisoned you. It's a contagion. I triggered your react, I triggered you. You had to have it. I'm so sorry. This is the problem. Yeah. I, you see, when you're in high spirits, it's good. And had to have it. I'm so sorry. This is the problem. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:05 When you're in high spirits, it's good. And also that particular one has this weird heft to it that I like. Yeah, it feels sturdy or kind of like a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Yeah, I like a Carpenter's vape. It's like a industrial. Keep it on the belt. Ha, ha, ha.

Starting point is 01:18:21 You know, energy blockage man. That does it to me. Yes, this is like, this is what, I don't wanna get into vape lecturing anyone. Everyone's addicted to this shit right now, but the, I'm listening to this great book, I think it's called Why We Metate. It's so good.

Starting point is 01:18:40 And basically the idea is, many people, me included, are in a hurry, rushing around. And the reason we're in a hurry is because we have this speedy kind of energy in our chest. Is that feeling when you're like, fuck, I gotta go, I gotta do this, get to that thing. He should've seen me when I rolled in here.

Starting point is 01:18:59 I'm sorry Zach, I wanna apologize again. Me too, I was, I know, I was excited to do it to see you, but also, my fuck, I'm like, hold on, you're doing this weird speedy thing. Well, what's triggering that energy that anyone who out there is anxious or feeling in a hurry or freaked out right now, you can just tune into it like easily, you just feel it.

Starting point is 01:19:20 It's like a fast kind of buzzing sort of weird energy in your chest, generally, or... I'm talking about a rid of it. Well, that... Right. Well, it's a block. So according to this book, that energy is supposed to be under your bellybutt, not up in your chest. Like, your energy's gotten all fucked up, but now it's all stuck in your chest. And so like, via like meditation, breathing exercises,

Starting point is 01:19:48 you, the ideas over time, you sort of retrain yourself to get that energy throughout your whole body. It's like, it's not supposed to be just here. The, imagine if you could spread it out, like nice peanut butter over your entire psychic body, that'll be very powerful. It's just not supposed to be right. You're not supposed to be free-basing the anxiety. Yeah, I feel like that's a culture in now where we are free-basing our own anxiety.

Starting point is 01:20:16 Yeah, man. We have boiled it down to like just a granular, powerful rock. It's like fentanyl. We've done the same thing fentanyl did for heroin. We just figured out a way to hyper accentuate our anxiety and coffee doesn't help. I mean, Austin Red Bull. Yeah, that's it else, man. It's already yawn in here, but I think that was like my body's saying,

Starting point is 01:20:40 hey man, we're trying to slow it down. Do you feel the overwhelm? I'm sorry to cut you off. Yeah, I feel the overwhelm. You have one of the top podcasts right now. We've been fortunate. And I want to come on your show too. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:20:52 I owe you that. Thank you. I know a few years ago we had talked about it. And I think I don't know if you asked me or not. And then I think the pain didn't happen. I did. And I think I said that I was, there was a time where I was going through a space where I could barely

Starting point is 01:21:05 even talk to people at all. Oh my God. So, but let's get that done here. And I don't know if you can do it over Zoom, if not all. Zoom, it's all, mine's easy, it's all remote. You don't have to be anywhere at your convenience. You're busy, man, you're touring all the time. But I wanna do it soon.

Starting point is 01:21:19 I wanna do it in the next month or two so that we can, I wanna bury that, that's been a little bit of a hatchet for me in my life. I know I brought it up. Well, I said I wanted to do it and never did it. Thank you. Theopology accepted. It's so fun just to spend time with you. Oh, yeah, same.

Starting point is 01:21:35 That's what I'm realizing. I'm like, I'm realizing I'm missing out sometimes on getting to spend time with people because I get so caught up in my own responsibilities. Well, podcast or friendship dates. Did you know that? That's what it is. It's a date for friendship. Well, podcasts are friendship dates. Did you know that? That's what it is. It's a date for friendship.

Starting point is 01:21:47 Just realize that the other day, I went to do Rogan and I knew I was gonna be in town for a bit, but he's so busy. I mean, he's like, I can't even imagine how, just busy your responsibilities he has. He's also a father, you're a father. Like, so I realized, man, I should have used that time with him on the show to be our friendship time.

Starting point is 01:22:09 And sometimes I think of those times more as like, I do think of it as, but I could have brought him more like questions I have about things where like, I could have used some guidance or some suggestions or, yeah, sometimes I don't know why I sometimes don't do that you know and I think with Joe we're still getting to know each other some yeah and his is such a big show I think you are nervous as well but you know that is like the abyss of that show is the moment you start thinking about how many people watch it it's scary if you let your mind go there, man. That is a, I really try not to do that. Like before I do, it's so easy to like think about that.

Starting point is 01:22:52 And then you're like, Jesus, fucking Christ. This is like the top podcast. Yeah. Earth. But yours is like the second I saw. We were scrolling through something. I don't know what it was, but I mean shit. We've been real fortunate, man. You know, we've been real fortunate.

Starting point is 01:23:08 Well, you're funny, too. I mean, it's also you're super funny. I see your stuff pop up on my wife makes fun of me because I do Instagram reels instead of TikTok. And she thinks that's an old man thing, too. Oh, really? But your stuff pops up a lot. It's very fun.

Starting point is 01:23:23 It's like I love watching it. It always makes me laugh. Yeah, we got all kinds of neat stuff out there. Well, I think also you're such a unique thinker, man. I think that we're going to need you more and more in the future. Are you feeling that? That you, whatever gifts you were kind of given? Because in the beginning, you were basically really just a comedian, right? Yeah. Was that your original goal? Dude, I wish I could say I had an original goal. That's my problem.

Starting point is 01:23:50 It's so malleable. Malleable, chaotic. And also I really try as much as possible, not out of some, not spiritual high road in here, but I, man, I try to stay in the present moment, not because of this is where you should be to find peace, but because, man, when I go too far up here, or I go into the future, or I go into the past, I just freak the fuck out. But if I'm like here in the moment and just letting like the moment happen, it's so wonderful. And so, and then when I start thinking like,

Starting point is 01:24:25 what the fuck am I? Am I a parkhaster, a comedian, and am I an voice actor? What the fuck am I? I freak out, because it's like, I have no idea. Yeah. So it just seems easier to be like, I, let's just grow with the punches and be who I am. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:24:41 And hope for the fucking best, right? Because that's all you can really do I mean honestly like looking at the world right now as it is It's like come on like are we really gonna have a next week? Right you think we're gonna have a next month. I don't know. I mean there's aliens on the front porch Yes, there's fucking people are fighting. We don't even know who's really behind the fighting. There's like old war debts and like IOUs from companies that are like from Black Rock and slumber J that are probably still are milling around in the distance of invoices

Starting point is 01:25:15 being sent to countries and people have died in wars that we don't even know if they were given the right reason they were fighting for. Oh, you mean the, this is the crazy thing about the Russia thing, man. These are conscripts. Like everyone's self-concript. It means that you are drafted. And the real problem with all the people celebrating the death of Russian soldiers like they're fucking blow up dolls is that you I get not liking a Dictator Putin is fucking invaded you cream fuck you, but you can't forget and this is the paradox a Lot of those people on the front lines getting blown up by drones or political prisoners Right, they got forced to go fight in a goddamn meat grinder

Starting point is 01:26:05 that got forced to go fight in a goddamn meat grinder by the dude who arrested them because they tried to get him out of office. Wow. Imagine that. You know what I mean, man? It's really sad. It's like these are really, I mean, I don't know who's in jail in Russia.

Starting point is 01:26:19 I imagine there's some really scary people in Russian jails who did horrible things, but I know for sure a lot of people in Russian jails are people who just protested like the government. Yeah. And those are the ones who are on the front fucking lines. So it's like you can't really celebrate the fact that some majority or some percentage of them are like we're actually activists, some percentage of them we're just trying to make a more democracy happen in Russia. And they got arrested.

Starting point is 01:26:47 So yeah, man, exactly, World War Three, all the way, I'm not trying to get all negative here. No, I'm sick. We're just looking at the landscape of things. I think most people are thinking that. But here, right now, hanging out with you, talking, telling stories, and for most people, you know, this moment is so beautiful. Like, look how beautiful, telling stories, and for most people, this moment is so beautiful.

Starting point is 01:27:06 Look how beautiful, even in a podcast studio where there's cameras and lights, just like how cool it is, just to exist, there's color. Oh yeah, existing is great, man. And you have to remember that, that, hey, at least I get to be here for whatever this is. Yeah. At least, nature gave me a nut like, I've gotten a come to the edge of the fish bowl for a moment

Starting point is 01:27:28 and whatever the existence of the universe is and have open eyes and see something like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's all going to fucking disappear. So it's like the fact that we're even getting to see a little bit of it or have feelings like love or jerking off or hugging somebody or eating some salmon or something. You're having some, you know, you're getting to have some unique moments or having a child and hugging your child

Starting point is 01:27:55 and getting your child a chocolate or something, you know. It's nice, man. It's the best. And in that, like the thing I've realized lately is the amount of anxiety or worry that I'm experiencing the present moment if I let myself worry about some future catastrophe is actually worse than if the catastrophe happened.

Starting point is 01:28:17 You know what I'm talking about? Like, you imagine the thing you're most afraid of happening, whatever it may be. And then think about how bad you feel as you worry over it versus the day after that rotten thing happens. So it's like you're worse off and it hasn't even happened than if it did happen. Yeah, you're already suffering an outcome

Starting point is 01:28:40 that you don't even know if it's real or not, and nine out of 10 times it's not as bad. Not not, and nine out of 10 times, it's not as bad. Not as bad, nine out of 10 times. Whatever it is, I mean, obviously there's a few things that are gonna be worse than feeling anxious, getting like slowly eaten by a bear. Yeah. That's gonna be worse than like whatever your emotional state is,

Starting point is 01:28:59 but most things, pretty cool. And I probably death too, I imagine. I imagine death is like the ultimate version of like, fuck, I spent my whole life worrying about this. Right, this is real chill. This is great. Yeah, it's probably going through one of those turn style things. Like it's a little quonky at first and you bump into it

Starting point is 01:29:17 and you're like, oh, this thing doesn't even fucking open to have the right thing. And then it opens, you're like, oh, right. Here we are. Here we are again. This is where I always come and it's beautiful. And like every single day, I was like trying to protect myself from this. Oh, you know what? I'll do it again, then you reincarnate again and eventually maybe you figure it out. Do you think everybody gets drafted for reincarnation? I don't think so. What do you mean?

Starting point is 01:29:47 Do you think God redrafts does everybody get drafted for reincarnation? You, like, the model I like for reincarnation is that it is, you don't have to, but you probably will, and that you've been doing it forever. Like the amount of, if you're a human, you've been doing it forever like the amount of if you're a human you've been incarnating So many times it's impossible to even imagine how long you've been reappearing. I don't know some people are brand new humans

Starting point is 01:30:15 Oh, you ever get that fresh out the box motherfucker like this is you're This is your first lap on this pony honey, you know He's like trying to get on the horse. He's like, I don't know what to do, you know? I've been a bumblebee for the last 6,000 incarnations. You want me to suddenly be a fucking human? Drive a car? Yeah, man. Yeah, I think it's possible.

Starting point is 01:30:41 He's just like a driving Uber and just hand eating, hand eating honey out of a jar the whole time. I was a fly, I was a slug, and I'm a human now. That's it. That's all patients. Have patients. Those people should have a little sign on them

Starting point is 01:30:57 and say, look, this is the last seven things I was. So cut me a little bit of slack here. Like, damn, this guy was a daddy long legs four times in a row. I was, so cut me a little bit of slack here. Like, damn, this guy was a daddy long legs four times in a row. I was a bacteria. And now he's luka don't you? Jesus Christ, man. Have some, I have some support for the guy.

Starting point is 01:31:18 Give him a break. Yeah, you're right. It's like, it's bullshit. It's like there's all these old souls floating around, like acting like this human thing is easy, flowing with every moment and making it see. It's like, no, fuck you. You're like the guy at the gym.

Starting point is 01:31:33 You're like the guy at the gym with a six pack and the perfect fucking body who's been working out their whole line. And that belt and he has the weight just hanging off the belt, the whole time he's at the gym. What is that? What is that? That's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I think this is what I love even if it's not real

Starting point is 01:31:53 reincarnation is a method for Self for being compassionate to yourself because it's like you don't know what you are in your last lifetime You want to talk about epigenetics affecting current behavior patterns According to these ideas your past lives and decisions you've made in your past lives are flowering right now and at the present moment. So when you're beating yourself up, you know, about this or that, it could be that really what you're experiencing is karma from the time you thought it would be funny

Starting point is 01:32:19 to grab the baby out of the baby carriage and throw it in front of a truck or something in the early 40s, you know what I mean, you don't know what the bad luck you're experiencing is necessarily originating from. Right, this could be, yeah, this could be some guy, a previous life suit. You're paying the debts of a previous existence. Exactly. So just take it easy on yourself.

Starting point is 01:32:40 Take it easy on yourself because it's, who knows? Well, it's hard to stomach. And I think though that if we live still in tribal communities and stuff and there was a lot more connectivity between past lives and we honored like who had died previously in this and that and we were still connected to them, I think then you would have more like compassion from your group like, oh, what you're dealing with now is what grandfather so and so did and you know, it's still making its way out of the DNA, back into nature.

Starting point is 01:33:12 Yeah, Whitney's having that baby, man. Congratulations, Mazeltov Whitney, that's great. That's great, it's so cool, it's the best. I never, did you guys ever date you on Whitney? No, I mean, you never dated. Did you want it? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Whitney? No. I mean, you never dated. Did you want to? I mean, I'm out of it. I think I maybe, you know,

Starting point is 01:33:30 I wouldn't have minded maybe a date or something, Barley. Yeah, of course. I think there's something that happens as you get older if you don't have a family when women start to get knocked up or when people start to sparse off my best friend's Scott just got engaged or you start thinking like, oh, oh shit. I know what you're talking about. You're experiencing a version of what we're all going to experience in our 70s. My meditation teachers teacher Chugum Chumper Rinpoche said to him,

Starting point is 01:33:58 when you get old, your friends start dying like flies. Just dying. So now what you're experiencing is like pre-death. They're going into a new life. They're being reincarnated as a parent. And you know, no matter what they're saying, no matter how much comfort they may or may not be offering, you're regarding their presence in your life. You know, it's just not, they're gonna blink out of your reality for a little bit.

Starting point is 01:34:24 It's gonna change, yeah. It's gonna change, it has to blink out of your reality for a little bit. It's gonna change it. It's gonna change it has to. There are everything shifts, everything. And there's just like no way around that. I mean, kids are, it's a full-time experience. You wanna hang out. Yeah. And you know what, we experience, the breeders,

Starting point is 01:34:41 we experience, our friends eventually being like, not asking us if we wanna go get a drink anymore. Cause they know, cause every time they ask, I fuck, gotta get a baby, say, oh, I can't, I'm doing this for that. And then, so it sucks at that level, man. I mean, it takes extra discipline. I'm sorry, man, you know what?

Starting point is 01:35:01 You, maybe it's time to start seeking your life partner. I think some of that is true too. I think I had, well, I went to, and I did Iowaska, I think it was probably maybe a year ago, right? And so that was the first time that I started having an experience with like the younger me, like the child me, you know? And realizing that I just had never wanted to grow up because I never got

Starting point is 01:35:26 to be the child I wanted to be, right? I had this. And I'm not like having self pity, I'm not trying to just like, oh, but there was a lot of, I think I had held a huge grudge against the world. And then of just life, the way things have played out that I hadn't gotten to have the childhood I wanted. Right. And there wasn't enough lessons in it that helped me to easily adapt into the world. And so I, but I didn't realize that until I was going to continue right there with your younger self. Yeah. And that was pretty crazy. Like, oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:36:13 You know, it's time for me to be an a parent, somebody at some point has to be a parent to this child inside of me. Otherwise, I'll just forever be this child inside of me. So if I want to have a an adult life as well, then I'm gonna have to start to evolve some. Some of that's kind of sad because you're basically watching this child like, you know, you're helping this child grow up but you're letting this child know like, hey, I'll take it from here, I love you,

Starting point is 01:36:42 I'm gonna take care of you. You're not gonna be able to run the show all the time anymore because we gotta grow up. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And you know what's being apparent? You go through these little micro-greaves

Starting point is 01:36:56 because you know, it starts off. You are so in love with this baby. You're so in love with like how, like just what it feels like to hold your kid, but they obviously, they grow. Yeah. And that baby goes away. It's gone. And there's a pewdiepie like,

Starting point is 01:37:14 fuck, this is so sad. This like beautiful kid is gonna like change into something else. But then the next phase, you realize, oh, I love what this being is becoming. And so that, but that moment, that weird, liminal moment between like lives, because I think people were reincarnating in a lifetime. Like what you're talking about,

Starting point is 01:37:39 it is a weird form of, it's not obviously, physical death. But it is. You're letting go of something. Oh, it feels like that a lot. Yeah, man, it really does. I can feel it. I can, there's moments I have where I can feel it and I can feel myself doing certain things that are like, okay, I'm going to put this child to, you know, put this young, not let this, you know, this child is going to start to grow up, you know, he has to. It's been too long.

Starting point is 01:38:06 If he wants to have a family of his own, if he wants to be a father and be these things, he's gonna have to. Did you be a great dad? Do you know the gift of having a sort of tumultuous childhood? Is that you, when you have a kid, like, I mean, you get to fix that a little bit. Like you won't fix it completely, like that's so crazy when like aspects of your parents that maybe weren't the most evolved bubble out of you. Oh yeah. And you realize, shit, this is why my parents were acting

Starting point is 01:38:42 the way they were acting. They probably tried to stop this thing too. It's very hard, but you have a real reason to evolve because you don't want to impact your kids in a dark way. So, man, I'm telling you, from a spiritual... It's a brain scan, man. You will understand so much more about your parents, mainly how much they loved you.

Starting point is 01:39:07 You mainly, you'll understand, holy fuck, they love me so much. There's no way you can't feel as if you're a kid and they tried their best. They tried their fucking best. And that's a really wild thing, is then you have to forgive them. Like if you were carrying a chip on your shoulder

Starting point is 01:39:25 about this or that, it'll, the chip will dissolve a little bit. But I got a fucking 12 pack of pringles on my back, and I've carried them. I've carried them, I think. That's a lot of pringles, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:37 I've carried them a lot. I've tried to, I've tried, you know, I do 12 step, I'm trying to get through some of it. I just have to work a little bit harder and some of it takes time too. You know, I've always been a slow evolved I've been a really hard decider in my life. Everything is really slow.

Starting point is 01:39:53 So, some of it's just who I am, you know. Slow is good. Fast is suspicious. Slow means you, like when you do slow change, that's real change. Fast change, whenever I do fast change that's like month long you know it'll last for a month when I do a fast you know whatever the fucking thing is and you should be suspicious of anyone pitching fast change to you yeah

Starting point is 01:40:15 it's really work like that it's slow and it's supposed to be and you don't need to be anything other than the way you are right now man man. Like, that's just fine. Like, this is fine. Like, I'll tell you, when I met my wife, like, I'd heard all these cheesy fucks who got married and that kid say, I knew she was, we were going to marry. I knew we were going to have kids. And I was like, okay, whatever. That's such horse shit. Yeah. And I was like, okay, whatever. That's such a horse shit.

Starting point is 01:40:46 Yeah. And then it happened to me. It wasn't like, like what happened? You just started talking to him or what happened? Let me hit that river one more time. You got it, man. What happened was the best, it's like, you know, it's like you watch people who put their foot

Starting point is 01:41:04 in fast moving water. And it's just like they're gone. It's like that. You know, like the concept of control when it comes to like dating and finding someone that you decide to like spend your life with, I think it's a little naive. Like I think there's big, big gears in the universe that we can't see, like behind the watch face that are just turning. And I know this sounds so new, A.G. and cheesy, but sometimes I think it's like, you meet the person,

Starting point is 01:41:37 it's just the right time because the souls of your kids are ready to come into the universe at that time. That makes sense. Like, you know what I mean? Like right now, your kids could be like in their 70s or 60s right now in a previous life. About to expire in a few years

Starting point is 01:41:54 and they're ready to pop back in. Yeah, and that's when you meet the person who they choose you. And then they bring you together. And then you are like, that's when it happens. I just, I mean, again, obviously, this is probably just horseshit, but when you're like, when it happens,

Starting point is 01:42:14 you realize I don't know how much of this I control over. I don't know how much I chose this and how much I was chosen for it. And so that means go slow. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's really nice to think on. That's really nice to just kind of, yeah, because it takes some of the pressure off of you.

Starting point is 01:42:35 Like, I don't feel a pressure to meet somebody. Now, I do feel like I try to be a little bit more like open about dating or trying to at least meet with somebody to see if they're that person or if there's a possibility, you know, like, but it's been it's definitely, it's been interesting. Yeah, but I like that that, you know, the next phase is supposed to come into the universe and then what that, what is that going to be like? And how are you just part of the stepping stone for the next part of life? Because in a way that's really all you are. Like we have a ton of thoughts about,

Starting point is 01:43:12 like if you just saw two animals go hump in the woods somewhere and then two months later they had a child, you'd be like, oh, that seems, but if they were like pining around, if you followed one of the animals for like four years before and he's just like fucking rubbing his ween rep against a bush and fucking You know like coming on, you know just fucking chasing like you know other animals and shedding you like and watching all his thoughts He's like sleeping in the woods and fucking drinking dirty water to get fucked up and stuff

Starting point is 01:43:41 He's like, God, getting dumb tattoos. Yeah, yeah, he rolls up like, yeah, it was really cost and they fucking rolled up all these dumb tattoos. If I can crossfit membership to shit and he fucking holy shit, man. Like, yeah, old exercise video DVDs in their nest. Like God, animal, take it easy on yourself, man. One of these days, nature's just gonna send the right lioness along and it'll all make sense, you know? Yeah, exactly. Like, think of like what got you to where you're at now. And then when you really look at it,

Starting point is 01:44:21 like obviously you made a choice to work hard. I think that is something we are gonna control over. I chose work. You chose the work hard. But then if you look at all the people who helped you and all the people you met and all the inspirations you got around a corner, you didn't expect to turn down and all those things, at some point you have to be like, I don't know how much of this I'm responsible for. 100% other than working hard. So if that's the case I don't know how much of this I'm responsible for. 100% other than working hard. So if that's the case for everything good in a person's life, it's going to be the same for meeting, you know,

Starting point is 01:44:52 a person that you are going to be with in a serious way, in a like an marriage situation. Because I think you rush the shit. Are you, um, or more importantly, you pretend you're having the feeling that this is the person you'll spend for every minute versus really having the feeling because there is night and day difference between the two. You get into trouble. You can't pretend you have to listen because you know you I mean, it's nuts, man.

Starting point is 01:45:22 Like you you just knew man, it's nuts, man. Like you, you just knew, huh? Man, it was the weirdest. It was so weird. And were we all at a park or something were we all at? Were you, saw your lady and? Oh, yeah, I was doing a comedy show and she was friends with my friend and yeah she had just come there because like you like yeah she's hanging out and then we were hanging out and then it was like this weird it was weird

Starting point is 01:45:53 man it was just like fusion or so I can't explain it I mean this is not to say it was perfect no it's not to say like credits roll movie like happy, you know, romantic movie score. I mean, I don't think any marriage could possibly be like that. But it was just, I don't know how to explain it other than it's like, oh yeah, we are already married in some way or two way.

Starting point is 01:46:16 It's like, it's like rippling backwards through time. Who knows, maybe it's Fair Mones. You know what, I'm, you know, maybe the materials are right. And it's just like her. Enough of the stink I'm, you know, maybe the materials are right. And it's just like, her. Enough of the stink was on my heel. My stink in her stink was a good, like, combination of stinks. Yeah. You know, maybe, but I don't know.

Starting point is 01:46:35 I feel like it was something bigger than that. And I think it will be for you too. It will be. And then you'll be like, holy shit. Wow, I'm fucking married. I have kids. I have a band and all that shit. Wow, I'm fucking married. I have kids. I have a band and all that freedom. What have I done?

Starting point is 01:46:49 Yeah. I'm just kidding. I'm just fucking kidding. Look, some of that makes sense. Yeah, well the snake has to shed its skin or the snake dies. That's what I start to feel too. I remember a few years ago, I was sitting in, I was doing an episode of King in the staying podcast because I usually work on there

Starting point is 01:47:09 with Brennan Shobb and Crystal Lee and an Eric Griff. I don't know if Chris is on there yet, but I remember thinking like, I'm a rat talking about to them. Like, do we evolve? Like, when do we evolve? You know, like, when do other times in our lives as humans where we are like, I was almost asking the world, I feel like when I think back on that moment, because I was surprised that I was thinking about or asking about it, but I was like, when do we evolve? When do I evolve? And I didn't know what it meant, really. And I still don't own exactly, but I think I was looking to evolve at that point. And I think a lot of that was probably from the ayahuasca experience.

Starting point is 01:47:49 That stuff's so powerful. Have you been through it? Not yet. I'm a little afraid. I mean, I've smoked DMT like everybody else. So I've experienced like some taste of what it must be, but a four hour, three hour DMT trip just sounds completely live altering.

Starting point is 01:48:05 Like, and I know many people who have benefited massively from it, so I will eventually do it. But yeah, I mean, dude, here's one idea. You don't need to evolve. Actually, the evolution is just realizing where you're at right now is perfect. That's the evolution. It's letting go of the fantasy of some future, better version of you and loving yourself right now instead of crucifying yourself on what you should be or could be.

Starting point is 01:48:39 This is perfect. Not just like the nice parts of you. The whole spectrum is perfect. Not just like the nice parts of you, the whole spectrum is great. And that, if you can really just let yourself play around with that. You take a vacation from self-hate or whatever. For most people, it's not self-hate, though that term gets thrown around a lot. It's more like self-like tiny microaggressions against one's self. Tiny moments where you like judge yourself as being, you know, somehow unavolved or not enough

Starting point is 01:49:16 for a past self or a pro-ten or whatever. Yeah, and then you know what happens for a lot of people doing that. They get hit by a fucking car crossing the street. They never evolved. They died. Their last thought was hating themselves. Or. I didn't order a bus.

Starting point is 01:49:32 Yes, dude. So like this is the, to me, that's the, any time, and I'm not able to do, I'm very neurotic and quite often I will, like get down on myself. But anytime I'm able, especially in the midst of like really bad times to not resist that,

Starting point is 01:49:50 to just like this is what's happening. I'm part of the universe. And right now, I fucking stink and I'm tired and I'm annoyed and I was just an asshole to the guy putting doorknobs on the door in my house, but this is where I'm at right now. This is it. Somehow that's where the aggression that causes

Starting point is 01:50:12 all the things we wish we didn't do dissipates. And then suddenly you're just the universe again. You're just part of the web of everything as in it's really delight. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know there are moments like that. I had a couple moments this morning. I just hit my knee.

Starting point is 01:50:27 I was like, God, I just, I can't do anything, right? Nothing is, you know, just let me just be a part of the world. Let me just realize none of this matters. I'm not going to, there's nothing I'm going to do today that's going to change the fucking world. There's nothing I'm going to do today that's going to change the fucking world. There's nothing I'm going to do today that's going to alter my life in some huge way. Let me just try and be palatable to other people today, you know. Dude, I love it.

Starting point is 01:50:56 That and I think that is a noble aspiration and I think that that is a wonder. Well, everyone, dude, I know because I'm guilty of it, man. I like, I instantaneously want to be better., I like, I instantaneously wanna be better. When I'm sick, I wanna be better tomorrow. When I'm too fat, I wanna lose the fucking weight tomorrow. I don't want the slow boil. I wanna instantaneously change. And the whole universe doesn't work like that.

Starting point is 01:51:21 Nothing works like that except bad things. You can instantaneously make yourself worse. Nothing works like that except bad things. You can like instantaneously make yourself worse. Yeah, like 9-11. Yes, but the good stuff, it's slow. Like it's like the comparison gets made to a one way to think of your life as like rising sun versus setting sun. And like look at the way the sun rises. It is so for such an incredibly powerful event. It's so weirdly slow, like the way the light gradually changes. That's anyone's life. And that's why it's like, shit man, a temporary cloud passes in front of the sunrise and it might seem like it's becoming night again, but that's just a, it's a cloud.

Starting point is 01:52:05 You know, it's getting the sun's rising. You know what's happening. And you just start trusting that. And then at least for me, you know, I become less, it's just a paradoxical because somehow by not attempting to elevate myself to some super egoic, spiritual position. I've, that's where happiness seems to appear. Yeah, just trust in the sun. Just trust in the speed of the sun, you know. Yeah, trust in the speed of the sun. It's been there for a long time.

Starting point is 01:52:36 It knows what it's doing. Yeah, I think it knows what it's doing. Yeah, yeah, at this point, let's rely on a few things that know what they're doing, you know. Yeah, you can trust the sun. I mean, maybe not. This they were getting apparently we're getting blasted by solar flares not to fuck up whatever Spiritual apex we just did It's we're getting blasted by like I don't know

Starting point is 01:52:58 50 flares they're like the internet's gonna go down Bring them all in man in general, you can trust the sun. Yeah, in general. Yeah, yeah. This is a general hypothesis. Yeah, you know, I think it's been interesting. I've been dealing with Monego too in the past year. That's been interesting, you know,

Starting point is 01:53:17 as life gets busier. And as my ego is very scary to me. You know, the ego is very scary, I feel like. Well, how do you describe your ego? It's just like moments where I notice that I think I'm deserving of things or I expect things. And I can't tell if some of it's just because I'm busier. And so you need things to kind of fall,

Starting point is 01:53:38 you know, you get used to some, but it's like I wanna be able to show up in like my best way all the time, you know? And so then it takes more work to kind of like cultivate a nurture that best way of yourself, you know? Right. And just kind of rolling with the, you know, it's like, so yeah, I think the ego really scares me

Starting point is 01:54:00 because you don't know what it is, you know, it's the, the ego is always there. It's like your shadow. It's always connected to you. And it can, it's such a trickster, you know, and you can, it can make you feel deserving of things. It can make you feel smarter than, you know,

Starting point is 01:54:22 it's like, I just have to be careful. I just, it's just something that's been kind of like on my mind. Exactly. It's so embarrassing. The ego is the source of embarrassment because it's just like, oh my, dude, what the fuck Theo wants me to do is podcast again.

Starting point is 01:54:41 What the fuck? Why won't he do mine? Well, he must hate me. Does he secretly hate me? I want to feel Vaughn secretly hates me. That's, you just told me you're in a bad spot. Not once was my ego compassionate. Not once was like, he's probably got a lot going on.

Starting point is 01:54:54 He's probably not feeling, who knows what it is? There's many times you have like fucked up sending an email or like been in a rotten depressed state and have not wanted to talk to anybody. None, I didn't cross my ego's mind. Yeah. My ego puffs out, gets butt hurt, limps around. It's like, ah, it's so embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:55:15 It's so embarrassing. But to react to the ego, in the negative, to then go to war with that poor part of yourself, that poor sad, apenicave, part of yourself is disabled veteran fucking, you know, a ship captain of a van of nobody else on the ship. Poor fucking thing, it's been trying to protect you your whole life. And it's exhausted. When you were a kid, you developed it because you needed it to keep you safe. And now it's so tired.

Starting point is 01:55:51 It doesn't make as much sense anymore. It's like, I guess that's dangerous, fuck that guy. We gotta punish that person, I think. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So some come back, like I'm not, don't succumb to the poor thing, but when you realize

Starting point is 01:56:05 that's been one of your number one shield bearers. I know. For the entirety of your life. And then suddenly everyone's like, I'm going to take enough acid to evaporate you, mother fucker. I'm like, what? I've been protecting you. Yeah, I'm just going to euthanize you.

Starting point is 01:56:22 Your teeth are falling out, fuck you. It's so sad. Dude, I wonder if we'd be, if our ego walked in the room, if we'd be in what it would look like, bro, that would be such a crazy game show. What if we're able to get to a point one time in existence where people have to show your ego? It's like move that bus.

Starting point is 01:56:44 Who is that dude that used to do that? Move that bus. Let me hit that one. Dude, I would never. Ty Pennington. Yeah, Ty Pennington dude, you should be moving that. And people are like,

Starting point is 01:56:55 show your ego. And then it's just some fucking like, maybe like a midget comes out playing like a fucking Trumpet, you know? And he's got a bunch of whores with him like, oh damn, my ego. So I can... Everybody's ego would have a much bigger dick. I'm like, everybody's ego would have an enormous cock.

Starting point is 01:57:17 Yeah. My bald spot would be gone. I would have embarrassing, flowing locks. I think I might have a gold chain. Like I think there would be gold chains and there would definitely be spandex involved. Maybe like a fashion cane. Yeah, and somebody carry in a microwave for you

Starting point is 01:57:37 that just makes unlimited pancakes coming out of it. Yeah, there would have to be, yeah, your ego would, like you would also have to present your ego's imaginary entourage, like other people, your ego fantasizes being surrounded by. One of mine would be China, that wrestler that died a long time ago. Oh, fuck, yeah, I would want, yeah,

Starting point is 01:57:58 I would definitely want somehow, I don't know why, I'd want like Steven, I wanna Stephen, Stephen Spielberg, Stephen King, Stephen Hawking, and you know, I would wanna be surrounded on one side by all, like these incredible creators, I respect who, like we're coming to me for inspiration, and then on the other side, just an ocean of beautiful women, like weeping for me, there would be a cult sort of thing happening for my ego too.

Starting point is 01:58:27 Yeah, couple of Celine Dion's there maybe. Some Celine Dion, some, yeah. Dion Sanders maybe. Dion Sanders. Celine Dion Sanders. Oh my God. You know what? That's a, you know, I think you could animate that show actually.

Starting point is 01:58:45 I think there is a way you could like act, you could do that show without having to have some futuristic technology, but people would have to be completely honest with you and not afraid to. And I think it would be good for the world. Oh, yeah. When all of a sudden everyone witnesses, oh shit, everyone's got the same thing I have riding around in the roller coaster. That'd be good.

Starting point is 01:59:06 It's good for people. It'd be good. Yeah, I think there would be interesting if there were game shows that were more bearing of our souls, you know, in ways. Maybe that will come as we get more technology that tells us more about what's going on. Like that's the plane we're missing a lot of times with a lot of like medical intuition or discovery through like MRIs and like, it's like I wish there was another type of MRI

Starting point is 01:59:36 like we were saying in the beginning, that could evaluate where we are. Wet lap is our soul on. What are we, you know, so then it's like when you met somebody like, oh, I see what's going on here It's like you get some intel this guy's on the 6,000th lap this dude was an Egyptian for fucking 2,000 years Yeah, or this dude is his first run ever and he's based out of Minnesota Yeah, yeah, this fucking asshole is hiller and now he's like driving an Amazon delivery truck

Starting point is 02:00:04 So let's just get him what he needs. Yeah, you're a great artist. No really, you're an incredible artist. I love your art. Please don't do another oligot. I'll buy the painting. It's great, whatever you want, NFTs. Oh, he's making NFTs.

Starting point is 02:00:22 Buy the fucking NFTs, just buy him, it doesn't matter. Dude, it's crazy. Well when our body starts to do you see that video you see that Tito or T's can you pull that out? There was a Tito or T's video where he hit mock seven or eight Whoa, and it shows you I Think it made me think about wow. What's goes on inside of us and what a shell our body is. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. It's so wild. There's a whole ecosystem happening in there. A whole psychic ecosystem. I know. And there's like turtles in. There's everything. Dude, a turtle swam up on the beach of the day in Maui. And I went to vacation and a turtle was there. And

Starting point is 02:01:03 I went to vacation and a turtle was there and It was just fascinating people like going up and seeing it and spending time by it They're so mystical the the Hawaiian turtles are like holy creatures. Yeah, you feel lucky to be around them They're just they're so beautiful. You ever go scuba diving? No, you see them in the water. I mean, when you see them on shore, obviously that's like not their best on shore. They're kind of clumsy, slow, but in the water, holy shit. They're just, you know, they seem like they would grant a wish or something.

Starting point is 02:01:36 Yeah. They're beautiful. Well, it makes sense then. And that's one thing. What is this? Thank you, friend. This is Tito Ortiz. Yeah, passes out.

Starting point is 02:01:47 He hit nine Gs. Who is, I'm so sorry. Tito Ortiz is a UFC wrestler. He is a, he's also, he does, one thing it's really neat about him. He does all of the meals at the Lafactory.

Starting point is 02:02:03 He goes there and passes out food. That's cool. On Thanksgiving, he's a philanthropic dude. That's cool. And he's a famous UFC fighter. Can we go back and yell, let's see that video. But watch what happens. It's interesting to see what happens to the shell of us

Starting point is 02:02:19 at certain levels. Yeah. I'm in Jesus of the high rate of acceleration. Equivalent to a max performance turning and find your aircraft. This is one where you might pass out. Oh. Right. How you doing?

Starting point is 02:02:32 Right. Don't do anything. You don't want to do it. So what we know is you don't do anything. And then you profile. So there are consequences. Alex is saying that you have to do it. I would like to.

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Starting point is 02:03:08 Wow. Go back to that moment where his face is lamp. It's kind of fascinating just to see what you're, uh, and just pause it right there if you can find it. Zach on that screen. Um. But it's kind of fascinating just to see what you're, and just pause it right there if you can find it Zach on that screen. Oh my God. That's, I mean, the right there I was like,

Starting point is 02:03:34 wow, we are just, our body's just such a shell. I mean, here's one of the toughest men, you know. How old are you? I'm 43. I'm 48, man. That is what I look like when I wake up. That's, you got to sew it back together. Push it up, elect your shock to get the things to work again.

Starting point is 02:03:59 Yeah, that's crazy. That's, yeah, the mask is just sort of drooping off the skull. The eyes. Yeah, man. That's, that's crazy that that's yeah, the mask is just sort of drooping off the skull. The eyes. Yeah, man. That's, that's fucked. And that's almost a way of looking at your Eno. That's a, that's a ego deflating moment. To have this moment just be out there for him, that's pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:04:18 Just like this is, if you let my body just, if let me show you what it is, that it's un-refined form, you know. This is, you know, Rogan talks about, like this is like the benefit of martial arts or like, you know, because you're getting beaten up. Like, I don't know much about him. I'm guessing in front of the planet, he's been knocked out maybe or defeated. I don't know much about him. I'm guessing in front of the planet he's been knocked out maybe

Starting point is 02:04:45 or defeated. I don't know. And once that happens to you, that, you know, whatever it is, the insecurity and stuff you already got, you know, you know that you are not perfect. You know you're gonna lose fights. You know the way you got good at fighting is not by winning every fight.

Starting point is 02:05:01 And so apparently there's like a benefit to that, you know, to knowing where you're at, you know, that's why he does stuff like that. That's putting a lot all, you know, man, anytime you get around like, anytime I've been around Rogan and we get to be around like a famous fighter, they are weirdly similar to people at the Romknoss retreat. They've got this glow to them. Again, I'm making a blanket assessment for a few people from that. No, no, oh yeah, there's something fascinating about them. It's almost like seeing some of them,

Starting point is 02:05:32 it's like being around one of those turtles, kind of. Yes, they have this holy quality to them or the spiritual component. And you would almost forget the person you're sitting next to if for whatever reason they decided to, they would be the the person you're sitting next to if for whatever reason they decided to, they would be the last person you saw. You would like see them lunge towards you and that's it, you're dead, you're dead, you just forget.

Starting point is 02:05:54 It's like hanging around a really well-behaved pitpole or something, you forget. And also because it's just so sweet, they're so sweet. And there's something interesting about being able to be knocked out, like to being able to put yourself in that risk space, you know? Like, because it's such a defeating thing, you know? Being knocked out, it's everybody's biggest fear. What if I got in that?

Starting point is 02:06:18 I was unconscious in front of other. Like, you're at, you have no controller for yourself. You are, you are at a, you are limp. You're limp in front of the planet. Yeah. Your wife might be in the audience. Your kids are in the audience watching daddy. Your ego?

Starting point is 02:06:39 Yeah, your ego is like, what the fuck? I had you fucking pussy. Look at fuck? I had you. You fucking pussy! Look at you. I told you to fucking dope. I told you to use that new synthetic fucking test toaster on the rush has developed. Yeah, man. That's like, yeah, there's something about, you know,

Starting point is 02:06:59 okay, I don't know if you're familiar. Are you familiar with your pride familiar? Jack Kerawak, the beep poets. So I used to think the beep poets is their called Kerawak. I guess Ginsburg falls into that category. What about what's his name who was all William Barrows' Vonnegut? Was he a beat poet? No.

Starting point is 02:07:18 I think he was at the same time period, but I don't know for sure. I wish I were more literary than I am. He wasn't really in the beat pack. Beat pack was that Keroac, who else? William Burrows. Burrows, that's right. I think Kowski kind of gets lumped in there a little bit. Yeah, this Ginsburg land there, as I totally,

Starting point is 02:07:33 I've got, okay. No, Ginsburg is there too. So I used to think beat meant like the beat, like I don't know a Congo or some shit, you know, they would all wear a turtlenecks and like that have drum circles or there's a jazz. But what I read is it means defeated. We're beat.

Starting point is 02:07:52 We've already been beat. We lost. It's over. We beat. We're not trying to win anymore. And in that place, being beat, that's where you find freedom. That's where you find freedom. That's where you find true liberation.

Starting point is 02:08:07 You're disconnected from the fucking horrible drums that drive the ship of capitalism. It doesn't mean you're obviously not failing, they're writing beautiful, I mean, Kerawak wrote on the road apparently, and what was it? One night, two nights on speed, he took just like in those days,

Starting point is 02:08:26 I don't know what kind of speed they had. It was like on paper strips or something. So he just got blasted on speed, right? It's one of the great American road novels and a couple of nights fucking infuriating, man. So it's not like they were like, we're beat, take a bonge, it's doing catamine, playing God of War, it's like, yeah, I'm not, bonk hits, do Academy and playing God of War.

Starting point is 02:08:45 It's like, yeah. I'm not gonna have them stay. That's the worst experience. No, but that's it, yeah. You know what I mean? So it's, but that state of consciousness of like, yeah. Like, I'm already, I think we're, another way to put it would be, at least,

Starting point is 02:09:00 we're beat in the sense you're not gonna do better than the, you know, than the earth. You're not gonna like, do you quit? Right, there's, yeah, yeah sense you're not gonna do better than the you know than the earth You're not gonna like do you get right? There's no yeah, yeah, you're not fighting this invisible that you're not In this battle that you cannot really win you're kind of like accepting that hey, this is where things are Yeah, let me operate from a place of I am not the king Yes, and it's such a I'm a place of, I am not the king. Yes. And it's such a wonderful thing to stop trying to save the fucking planet.

Starting point is 02:09:30 It's such a wonderful thing to stop trying to be, because the ego is so deceptive that it will convince you that you are demonstrating some altruistic impulse. Yes. When really you want to be the goddamn Messiah. You wanna be Jesus. You wanna save the, you wanna be the only person who saves the planet.

Starting point is 02:09:51 You want the credit person. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's real scary, man. Yeah, I've noticed, there were moments like that. I remember a few years ago

Starting point is 02:10:00 whenever I started to get like just people would come out to my shows and stuff. I started thinking, oh, does God have some special plan for me, you know, like, and that was very scary to me. I just didn't know and I was like, what if I'm not doing things right or like, what if I can't handle this type of, if I just had never had like, you know,

Starting point is 02:10:23 it's scary when people come to spend time with you, you know, it's like, why me, you know, you start scary when people come to spend time with, you know, it's like, why me, you know, you start asking and then your ego will start answering. Sometimes if you're not fucking, you know, if you don't have some inkling or some guide answer hearing good things from people that are helping you navigate things. But I remember that I remember thinking, man,

Starting point is 02:10:43 I'm not gonna be able to be a Leader, you know, so this is real scary now. I'm gonna have how do I pretend to be a leader, you know, and then that Eventually kind of went away and I realized that that was a fool's gold thing, but it was very scary I remember when that happened I was like fuck like But to think that yeah like I'm just a part of this thing and we've all, we're all defeated. How do we operate now? Right.

Starting point is 02:11:11 What now? Like now, and I'll tell you, man, if you look at the like, like the Messiah or God as being like, you look at the Messiah as being not the next Messiah, the second coming of Christ, whatever you want to call it, the matriya, if you look at it,'s being not the next Messiah, the second coming of Christ, whatever you wanna call it, the matriarchy. If you look at it, not as being one person, but rather a harmonized group of God knows how many people

Starting point is 02:11:35 or just think about Jesus. Like, I don't know how many people talk about like Jesus's, like, or think of Mary. Who is Mary's great grandfather, or think of Mary. Who is Mary's great grandfather, right? Like Mary's great grandfather. If Mary, the, I mean, forgive me if this seems vulgar, I don't mean to be offensive, but, okay,

Starting point is 02:11:54 you know what, I'll replace my size. Think of like the Buddha's great grandmother. Like, imagine if that great grandmother decided not to let someone ejaculate inside of her just the exact right time and hadn't raised that You kid in a certain way. There would be no Buddha So it's like when you start looking at the fact that like we are all part of not just like the shitty things the planet spits out but theoretically you could be,

Starting point is 02:12:25 wouldn't you like to be one pixel in the Buddha? One pixel, one cell, one little tiny part of whatever the next thing is that just shakes the planet to its foundations in the positive. I would. That's enough, that would be cool. You want to be the whole fucking thing. That's insane.

Starting point is 02:12:46 That's the ego. You know, there's a story, Ramdas's brother, I guess. That's great, man. That's a great way to say that. That's a great way to say that. Like how can I just be a cell in the wellness of whatever, you know, or how do I just show up enough to be a part of things in a positive way, you know.

Starting point is 02:13:05 And trust that you are. Right. Then you get to have that thing that your ego's looking for, but in a much more realistic and much more interactive way. Like now you do, and you know, all the great stories. I mean, God, look at what Jesus said when he sent out the disciples. I think it was something on the lines of, don't worry what you're gonna say. I'm, God, look at what Jesus said when he sent out the disciples. I think it was something on the lines

Starting point is 02:13:25 of, don't worry what you're gonna say. I'm gonna speak through you. And if people don't accept you, shake the dust from your sandals and just leave. No big deal. Just for, you don't have to worry. That's what I love about Christianity is that you don't have to worry anymore.

Starting point is 02:13:42 Like you're taking care of now. You don't need to worry. You don't have to worry anymore. Like you're taking care of now. You don't need to worry, you don't have to. And so yeah, I think like, you know, from that perspective, you don't have to like plan. Yeah. What the fuck you're gonna do to become more deep or whatever and have like a legions of people worshiping you as you drive some like

Starting point is 02:14:03 you know, whatever the fuck it is. Corvette or whatever, probably. A tea bird, maybe. Yeah, yeah, you don't have to. Yeah, that's one cool thing that's nice about, I mean I go to 12 step, I go to recovery programs and so that's one of the coolest things I feel is when I'm in those rooms and it's like people are listening to each

Starting point is 02:14:20 other and everybody's there for the goodness of one and other. There's a feeling I leave out of there with, like, man, I'm a part of something that feels good. And it doesn't feel like it's about me. It feels like just a part of something that feels good. And I think everybody, like, I think there's a general, I think as a society, we're like, have we,

Starting point is 02:14:41 I wonder if we'll look back on our society. Like, if thousands of years from now, they'll look back and be like, man, what a wrong, have we, I wonder if we'll look back on our society. Like, if thousands of years from now they'll look back and like, man, what a wrong turn that we, because we're just this ship in the water. That's all humanity is like, and we took such a, we learned a ton, but what a turn that was going along those ways of, of, uh, thinking that we had all the answers and that science was going to lead us to the, to the be all end all and that we were going to be able to crack the code. Like, what a, what a exhilarating and exhausting fucking experiment that was.

Starting point is 02:15:15 Yeah, right. Let's just, you know, well, I mean, I think that I love the parable of the prodigal son. It's so good for humanity. It's not just good for an individual life. You know the prodigal son. It's so good for humanity. It's not just good for an individual life. You know the prodigal son story? Synopsis, there's a dad, there's a kid, there's a, oh, I'm sorry. Basically, there's two brothers.

Starting point is 02:15:40 One of them decides to stay at his father's house and help with a farm essentially. And the other is like, I'm out of here and leaves and just goes on this like hedonistic voyage through life. Prostitutes, blows all this fucking money. Inza. Brad Pitt. Was it with Brad Pitt in it? It's not a man. It's a parable for the Bible, but it would be an amazing Brad Pitt movie, a beautiful man.

Starting point is 02:16:10 But essentially this kid ruins his life. He becomes some kind like a pig farmer, which apparently back then was like the worst thing you could be. And so in shame and humiliation, he realizes, I'm going to have to move back in with my dad, like all the shit I said about how I was going to be a famous break dancer, whatever bullshitty was saying, it didn't happen. And which also let me tell you this, if you're telling your dad, you're gonna be a famous break dancer, nine out of nine times.

Starting point is 02:16:49 You're probably not gonna. I don't know this statistic son of it, but it's gotta be worse than famous comedian. It's gotta be much more improbable. So yeah, basically the story is, he goes back home and his dad takes one look at him and he's like legitimately, like, I fucked up. I let my ego take control. I thought I was going to be able to do the caterpillar in moonwalk or whatever the fuck and I suck at dancing. Body rolls and all that. Body rolls. And what

Starting point is 02:17:22 I love about at least the version of I read is, before you can finish the apology, his father embraces it, before you can even finish the apology and says, like, let's throw a huge party. We're going to throw this massive celebration. Meanwhile, the other brother is out in the fucking field and like realizes what's happening. He's like, how come you never throw a party for fucking me? I didn't go try to become a break dancer. I didn't buy embarrassing pairs.

Starting point is 02:17:52 You fucking pants and crypto and dude, start by the fucking NFT AI company. Or try to like use that AI to sell my stickers on fucking Etsy. What the fuck, I've been out here with the oxen. and Ed see what the fuck I've been out here with the oxen. He's what happened. Well, his father says to the son, like, you know, worse celebrating, you've been here, you've been a lot, you're alive,

Starting point is 02:18:23 you've been here, we're celebrating because that which was dead has come back to life. That's the celebration. My son was gone, lost dead, now he's back, this is the joy. So what you're talking about with any individual life, especially like when you finally get into a 12-step program and you break that addiction,, and you look at your life when you were tanking your fucking life on blow on booze and you look it out You weren't even there you weren't even there you were dead You didn't exist if you look back you're blacking out you were fucked up You weren't there was a way in the very best a waking

Starting point is 02:18:59 Dream and you can't remember a lot of that shit. And then suddenly, holy shit, you start coming back to life. That's what it's about for the individual. But for what you're saying is like, for humanity as a whole, I think that's what's so beautiful about it. Is there's the possibility for the entirety of the species to reorient itself into another way of being. And at least because it's obvious with the Bible it's theistic, the message is God doesn't care

Starting point is 02:19:27 how much money you spent on the stupid break, dance or clothes you were wearing or you failed Etsy business or all the people you lied to or all the people you stabbed in the back as long as those things brought you back home. That's all that matters as long as you're able to come and say, I'm sorry and mean it. That's what I love about that story. And I think like that's what humanity has to look forward to probably. I do. I think, yeah, maybe we did right now, we're like fucking scooping up pig shit or whatever and pretending it's gold. But I have a feeling like, you know, we'll come back around. We'll come back around. Yeah. If a person can come back around, all of us can come back. Yeah, because all we are is just a person really. We're all just one person.

Starting point is 02:20:12 I have to say. You're right, man. Just one very complex, very, very big person. Yeah, and you have to, and yeah, you have to start thinking, how do we all win as a speed? I like how, what little part can I do to help us be a part of that? Not even what can I do, but how do I just operate in a way that, but who's everyone? And how can I do that more today? Yeah, that's it.

Starting point is 02:20:39 That's a nice question to have each day. Each day. How can I do that more today from my fellow man? Yeah. From my fellow species member. Yeah. It's a good question. And sometimes you will not be able to answer it. No.

Starting point is 02:20:52 Yeah, sometimes you'll go, and you'll slink back off. And, but I think having that as like a, as a good question is nice. And that's a neat thing about life is sometimes once certain things get introduced to you, you can't introduce them, you know, and that's one thing that's really cool. It's like, man, once you kind of see a little bit of the light, you can't unsee it, you know, that's one thing that's neat about getting into recovery programs, even like you were saying, like you were dead.

Starting point is 02:21:25 Like, once you can look back and see that, like, oh, I wasn't a contributing member to myself. Yeah. To anyone, I wasn't able to love my sister. I wasn't able to love my brother. I wasn't able to love myself and like how you can start to, you know, do those things better. Yeah, man. And being a, you know, the times I've been in those rooms,

Starting point is 02:21:45 when you, it's, what's cool about it is you see people who, like, you thought you hit bottom, like, you see people who, like, fucking, they did the same thing. China's doing right now. We're like, they're trying to dig a hole to the center of the earth. You're like, are you kidding me? What the fuck? You know, the are you kidding me? What the fuck?

Starting point is 02:22:06 You know, the stories are crazy, but then the fact that you're looking at them, they're healthy, they're happy, they're doing great. That is where you realize how incredibly powerful it is to be a human. Yes. Because they sure as fuck shouldn't have climbed out of that hole.

Starting point is 02:22:23 Yeah. Some of those holes, man, you know what I'm talking about. There's seven, yeah, there's seven story holds. Dude, eight stories, 12 stories. Like, how did you get a hole this deep? How did you even do it? Yeah, you didn't have a shovel. Like, if I told someone, I'm going to pay you, I will pay you $500,000 to destroy your life in this way. They wouldn't be able to do it. And these people did it just with whiskey, like in Halens. It's like a town.

Starting point is 02:22:55 Oh, that's okay, cool man. What a, what time we had that? Um, like two hour, 20 minutes, I'm like, oh, under. Okay. Trying to think of something else I wanted to think about with you. You were talking about sex and a graveyard. I can actually chime in on that. I worked with a guy in a pizza shop who, uh, this is a true story.

Starting point is 02:23:19 I delivered pizzas with this guy, Steve, and he would take his wife, they had kids who they would hire a sitter every Saturday and they would go have sex in a graveyard. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, his wife's name was Angel, she was 390 pounds. What? And were they Mexican because a lot of Mexicans, they weren't?

Starting point is 02:23:36 No, white trash, oh, how? A lot of Mexicans go, well that's one thing I love that Mexicans do, they do that L.D. Adela some work to us. And they go celebrate in the graveyard with the deceased Mexicans. It's a big part of the culture. Like, if you're in L.A.,

Starting point is 02:23:50 you can go on Halloween to the graveyards and it is like, you know, it's like a damn Selena, you know, like concert. The Hollywood Forever Cemetery has, it's incredible. It's awesome. It's beautiful. And it's not, you expect it to be like morbid or grim, but it isn't at all. It's celebratory. It's incredible. It's awesome. It's beautiful. And it's not, you expect it to be morbid or grim,

Starting point is 02:24:06 but it isn't at all. It's celebratory. It's beautiful. You can see how they're honoring these people. It's really incredible. Yeah, I mean, you can eat an empanada with a 700 year old Mexican dude. Yes.

Starting point is 02:24:17 You can. Yes. Yeah. You can. Oh, yeah, the Ramones are buried there. That's right. That's the material's pretty wild. It is. It's in the, that's where where I don't know if they do it anymore, but

Starting point is 02:24:28 They used to do movies there like on the weekends. I think they still do. I actually went with James Blake He's a musician. He's been on here before he's a really really amazing British producer and musician and he He and I went to El Dielos from where it was one time and they had music and they had, yeah, just Mexican families just sitting with their deceased ancestors. Yeah, it's really sweet.

Starting point is 02:24:53 I mean, it's so sophisticated. Like the way a lot of people do death is really like fucked up. You try not to think about it. You just try, like someone dies and you know, you just try to put them out of your head. I mean, I've been saying that. And they don't, and they don't really disappear. It's funny, because I can think about my father, right?

Starting point is 02:25:11 And I can think about how he feels. How is, I can think about what he wears. I can think about his voice is alive inside of my head and in my heart, I can feel it. I can, I can put my hand on my heart and it's his heartbeat. Part of my, the beat of my heart was made by two other people's beats. It's a fucking song that's inside of me that was created.

Starting point is 02:25:39 So it's really, we really do do that poorly, I think, or I've done that poorly in my life is honoring the deceased, you know, honoring the people that put their time in so I could exist. You know, maybe part of the problem is it's so bizarre when you lose someone, when you realize somehow, even though their bodies aren't here, they're closer than they've ever been to you. Like you have the sense, no, they're here.

Starting point is 02:26:10 I mean, not in like a ghost paranormal way, but like something deeper than that, just like what you're saying. And you don't, it's hard for people to deal with that. It's almost heartbreaking in a way, or you're afraid to connect with them. You have a sense anytime you do, they've just been waiting for you to reach out.

Starting point is 02:26:27 Oh, that's interesting. It's almost ashamed. There's a little bit of shame. If I were to sit and really just go spend time like in a room or in an open field and tell my father I wanted to talk to him or spend time with him, part of me would feel ashamed

Starting point is 02:26:42 that it took me so long to do it. Yeah, and you know what? I've, when I've like presented that shame to like my mom's soul or whatever you want to call that, that response is always, I love you. Yeah. They don't, there's no like, why didn't you fucking use Iawaske to talk to me? You can't, you know, it's just a sense of like, I love you so much, enjoy your life, enjoy your life, you're doing great. I love you, it's, this place is for love, nothing else.

Starting point is 02:27:17 That's always been the, the sort of, the message, you know. They don't seem to even see shame. Right. On the, I think whatever it is, why were you watching Dateline? They're never like that. Why? Why? Why? Why the fuck were you obsessed with Keith Morrison? Yeah. Why did you work for a week to try to do a Keith Morrison impression that you could never pull off. Yeah. Yeah. But what about that avocado? Not bad. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:27:50 Not bad. Yeah, man. It's just. Yeah, it's right. Why do you go to that Durand-Durand concert the other night? Yeah. They're not. They just, it's like, I think whatever is on the other side, as they call it, is so beautiful.

Starting point is 02:28:03 You know where I'm done says it's like taking off a shoe that's too tight. It's death. Death is like taking off a shoe that's too tight. Whatever's over there is so beautiful and so much more real than this place that beings that are there, they are, they just want us to be happy. They are just love, you know, and also you know is a parent like

Starting point is 02:28:27 If my kid somehow reaches through the veil to communicate with me after I'm dead I'm not gonna be yeah look at your fucking shitty shirt. Why do you gravey all over? Yeah, change your oil Change your oil boy. I taught you to do that. I tell you, you're gonna burn your engine out. It's easy. I buy you that fucking car.

Starting point is 02:28:54 You get herodins. Yeah, dude, it's like, they just love, that's it. That's it, that's a fundamental fabric of everything. Is that kind of energy. Yeah. And you're right, the darkness part. It's like, you know, turning on a light, you just turn on the light.

Starting point is 02:29:11 That's all it is, man. It's like the darkness is really the weakest of things when you consider how it's so, you just flip a light switch, light a candle, it's gone. Yeah. It wasn't really there. And using other people to do it, you need... Yeah, that's why isolation kills so many alcoholics and so many addicts.

Starting point is 02:29:30 That's why isolation kills create so many school shooters and like severe violent nihilists. I don't know what nihilist means. Yeah, you nihilism. The idea that all you are is atoms. I mean, if you want to take it to the furthest point, it's like this is essentially an accident. Big bang happens and just by like time and molecule swirling together, we became, what did you call it, reactive, we became reactive meat earlier on you. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:30:12 Really nihilistic description of human beings. We're just temporarily sentient. We are doomed to die. We didn't ask to be fucking born. And here we are mortals in a universe of infinite atoms, but whatever we are, it's just a fucking accident. Like just a bad collision between the wrong, organic molecules a long time ago.

Starting point is 02:30:37 And some oxygen. And some fucking oxygen and fuck it. And then why believe that's true or not? No, I don't believe that's true at all. My experience of life is the opposite of that. Yeah. And it's interesting because I feel like we've created a society kind of in you and America, where if you're not careful, you can kind of, you can get lapt in and

Starting point is 02:30:57 believe in that. We have a society that really, you know, we sat, we've created that a lot of things that mean a lot to us or that should or really just wares for sale or that even our important moments. So I don't know, I feel like there's been some deviation but I think there's, like you're saying, if you can not see that, if you can find other people

Starting point is 02:31:22 and listen, if you can just be open to possibility, you can quickly get back to place that feels good. Yes, because that's what you actually are. Right. The place that feels good is you. Fundamental goodness. That's you. That's ground level, whatever you want to call it, bedrock.

Starting point is 02:31:40 The bedrock and everything else is just defense mechanisms. Yeah, and yeah, exactly. You'll know when you're there because you're already, the paradox is you're already there. It's just like the so many comparisons, it's like a lantern that's got a lot of dirt or dust on it. You know what I mean? You're at the, your soul This the light, the lantern is your

Starting point is 02:32:07 countless incarnations. And once you clear away the dust, boom, there you are again. And that's the weird, I don't know if you had it with Iowaska, DMT, that's that weird familiarity. People report, which I certainly experienced where you're like, oh, I know this place. There was nothing to be afraid of. This is just a place of love and joy and delight. And fuck, I've been so hard on myself. Yeah. I was a cockroach for 50 incarnations. He just like you said earlier, what was I do? What was I doing beating myself up? Yeah, I'm doing great. I'm doing great Yeah, and truly if you're a human at least from the Buddhist perspective

Starting point is 02:32:49 they it's the rarity of the human incarnation from the Buddhist cosmology like they think there's more gods and there are humans that If you are lucky enough to be born a human you've really you probably weren't a cockroach like you have done some heavy lifting to land in the human, you've really, you probably weren't a cockroach. Like you have done some heavy lifting to land in the human realm. And especially, you know, there's a weird kind of like multiverse aspect of Buddhism. A lot of people don't know about, but to be born in a realm where there was a Buddha,

Starting point is 02:33:18 where there was a Jesus, I mean, you pick your Messiah, where, because there's the possibility of being born in a time when nobody had any kind of spiritual technology developed. So to be in a world where that, we have got volumes, volumes of like incredible spiritual technology that any time you want, you can connect to is very good karma, very good fortune. It's a great point. It's very good fortune. Do you think if they proved aliens, if there was some proof of them,

Starting point is 02:33:48 like, and obviously if there was some further proof that really set in everybody, like everybody, it was like, you know, was like, wow, they're there, they're out there. With what would that do to religion? Do you think that would strengthen it? Do you think that would strengthen it or do you think that would weaken it?

Starting point is 02:34:08 Well, I mean, I think it depends on the religion and the lineage of the religion. I mean, if you've been living in a religion that is doing the same thing for humanity that we used to do for planet Earth, the Earth was the center of the universe. So if you've been living in some mindset that humanity is the, you

Starting point is 02:34:25 know, the sum total of, or like the, the final part of God's creation or something, then yeah, it's going to fuck with your head because now you have to deal with the fact that no, there's, the universe is teeming with life on every level from the subatomic to the like to to to to giant planets to God knows what to the point where we might be some atomic portion of something we'll never understand. So yeah, but I think you know a lot of religions already have built in the idea that we're talking about the source of all reality, a kind of super intelligent, progenitive, benevolent creator force that just delights in making stuff and delights in like sharing its creation with the things it makes, that we get to co-create with it,

Starting point is 02:35:21 it invites us to like sit down at the potters we are with it and make stuff while we're here. So it's a really wonderful artist, whoever it is, whatever it is, and it's the best kind of artist. Doesn't like, where are the, there's no signatures, there's no copyright, there's no IP, it's claiming for the sum total of all things. It's that incredible, it's, it's like Banksy. Nobody knows who Banksy is. It's like,

Starting point is 02:35:47 that. It's just like, here, have it all. I'm giving you all of it. Let's see what you do with it. Yeah. It's beautiful. So I think from that perspective, aliens, sure, why not? And what if aliens, they also had a God too? What if they rolled up with a couple gods? We would figure it out. Well, yeah That's where that's what that's what would be so exciting is like what what do they believe who are you worshipping? Hmm who is your god? What is an alien god like and what do they think of our idea of god? Are there what if they're like all like Richard fucking dockets and they're pissed at us. Like, there's no god, he dumb shit. We made you, you were your fucking god. Look at us, big black eyes, emotionless face. We made you, you just hallucinated all the other stuff

Starting point is 02:36:34 because we built that into you. So I believe in a god, because that makes it easy to control. We would beat them up then. We would, oh, dude. I think we would, I think we would fight to have a God. The first alien human world star fight. Like when a human finally just punches an alien,

Starting point is 02:36:55 it's weird to think our kids might see that man. It's weird to think that we might see. I don't think. There's a lot of beef between black, I have some black friends and they said there's a lot of beef between like blacks and aliens too. What? Yeah. That's like we don't hear about because we're not, you know, I guess in that culture that much. But yeah, there's a lot of like black alien. What? Yeah, they don't get along. Yeah, they don't, yeah, they don't get along that much.

Starting point is 02:37:25 I mean, how many black dude's even know or like, yeah, who have like alien posters or anything like that, you know? I mean, I honestly, I don't know anyone who has alien posters, but like, I do know black people who are like super into aliens. I, but maybe, oh, maybe I gotta meet more black folks then. You know, maybe, who knows?

Starting point is 02:37:44 It's like, I don't know. I mean, I get, I know there's a lot of people who like, or think they're demons. I mean, that's one of the threads of, like that's one of the explanations for them is it's like, no, these are the legions of Satan coming to the earth to pose as aliens and trick us into getting on those fucking ships.

Starting point is 02:38:08 Don't get on the ships. Don't get on the ships cause they're gonna fly you right to hell, motherfucker. Don't get on the ship. I'm gonna wanna go look at least on there, I bet. Well yeah, of course, me too. We will get on the ships. But I'm gonna say, hey, tell me for y'all leave. No, dude, you you will get on the ship for sure. I guarantee you'll get on the ship. I guarantee it.

Starting point is 02:38:29 We'll probably be podcasting on a spaceship at some point. I mean, maybe that is what we're on. Maybe that's part of it. They get you on the ship. They make you forget you're on a ship. They trick you into thinking you're in the human dimension. We're just in some cargo bay right now plugged into the matrix, baby That's awesome, man Duncan, thanks so much for your time, dude. Anytime Theo You hit that bitch one more time. This is such a so funny. Yeah, so fun man. It's so fun to see you again and

Starting point is 02:39:02 Yeah, we should probably just do one to follow up this one. I think people will love this. This has been one of my favorite chats in a while, man. Dude, my too. Thank you, Thie. I really think you're wonderful. And thank you so much for having me on your show. It means the world. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:39:14 Yeah, 100%. I want to do it again soon. And we'll do yours. Yeah, we can assume it from wherever if I'm back in town. Wonderful. Yeah, I'll hit you up. Do you ever do it live?

Starting point is 02:39:20 back in town. Wonderful. Yeah, I'll hit you up. Do you ever do them live? I'm building a podcast studio right now, but it's slow going. You could talk to this company or to them really good. You know, I'm tempted to, honestly, because I've been trying to do it at home, and I'm just wondering if that's a little bit

Starting point is 02:39:39 of what we were talking about earlier. You gotta shed that skin. Why do you wanna do it at home? What are you doing? Like why not expand, do it like you're doing. This is one of the things like you, Sikara, Rogan, it's like, you know, you guys are real trendsetters.

Starting point is 02:39:54 You're really leading the charge as far as like, creating your own TV show basically. And like making it look good, having a nice studio and stuff. And I don't know, it just takes so much work. Yeah, well this guy, I just started with this company called Rooster Teeth and they've been awesome and it's been really just interesting.

Starting point is 02:40:13 And I'm glad that they've been supportive but yet is, I think, you know, there's something nice about having it at home, it feels homey but I think you feel homey no matter what, no matter where you would be. Yeah, right. You know, sometimes I used to get, I started in my homey no matter what, no matter where you would be. Yeah, right. You know, sometimes I used to get, I started in my kitchen and I was like, oh, if I ever leave my kitchen,

Starting point is 02:40:29 something will be wrong. I won't be able to communicate correctly or something. That's how I feel. Yeah. Like I'm gonna lose like the vibe of like this is my garage. Like this is my gritty podcast studio. Oh yeah, and it's like, that's so dumb. Like why do I, like, I wanna, I wanna expand.

Starting point is 02:40:51 It's just, geez, man. It's just, we need your voice out there, I think. Thanks, man. It's really good to hear. I've been really, I feel much better than when I came in today. I feel more inspired. I feel, yeah, like I can do better when I communicate with people. It's just a

Starting point is 02:41:09 really nice reminder. You are a nice reminder of how to operate in the world. Thank you, Theo. Hey, man, we don't have to podcast. You can hit me up anytime you want. If you just want to shoot the shit, I love talking to you. And I would be thrilled. So thanks, man. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, we'll do it again soon. Beautiful. Duncan Trussle, ladies and gentlemen. Look at this man.

Starting point is 02:41:30 Look at this. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be. Corner stoned. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my life out, I can't see it. In my bones, I know it's gonna take.

This Past Weekend - E449 Duncan Trussell

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