This Past Weekend - E471 Wayne Gretzky

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Starting point is 00:00:39 It's a name that's synonymous with being victorious. He's a four-time Stanley Cup winner. He has more records than Sun Studios. This guy has more records in hockey than anyone. You can catch him on the TNT NHL panel. So thankful to spend time with him today, Mr. Wayne Gretzky. I'll be found a song Yeah, I'm from Louisiana man. It's pretty good. We didn't ever had

Starting point is 00:01:39 We had a team I think it was the algae or something I don't know what are and what is that the East Coast league probably yeah Yeah, yeah, it was like are the mud birds or something some team It's mud birds. Yeah, it was definitely like even the mascot sounded like it wasn't gonna survive You know, it was like I think it was the That's funny. I think it was like the mascot got treated. I think it was the oil spill pigeons or something Like because there was if we had a lot of issues was the oil spill pigeons or something. Like because there was if we had a lot of issues. That was very funny. So I think our mascot was, yeah, it was bad. The mascot always had bandages on and stuff. I remember they break. It was just it didn't do well. Yeah. I think timing probably

Starting point is 00:02:18 wasn't great. It's kind of grown now. Like there's a team here in Atlanta that does pretty well. And it's like comparable to double A in baseball. It's not triple A. And they do pretty good here. And they're talking about bringing another NHL team to Atlanta. No way. Maybe the third time in 40 years. But yeah, they tried it twice.

Starting point is 00:02:42 I know over the over the over the history of time. And do you know like, yeah, why doesn't it succeed? You think in certain markets? Is it just not the is it? Well, does it just take people to be there? Or does it take something special to be in a market for hockey to survive? It's a little bit of both because we don't have, you know, we don't have, um, like baseball and football, it's been in the South and the Southwest forever, right? Oh yeah. Hockey's just kind of getting there.

Starting point is 00:03:11 So back in the 70s when the flames first came in, the expansion rules were different. The owners wanted the money, the league wanted the money, but they gave you the worst teams. So they would go five, six, seven years and go, well, it's not a hockey city. Well, people get tired of paying to watch a team lose, right? Yeah. So then they came back again. It was kind of the same expansion rules. And it failed again. Everyone had got wiser. And when Vegas came in,

Starting point is 00:03:38 they got the ninth best player on every team. They got low draft picks and they built the foundation and people got excited. Look, our team's good. Seattle got the same sort of thing as Atlanta or as Vegas. If Atlanta gets another team, they're going to get that advantage again. They're going to get good treatment and maybe this will become a good hockey city because people are saying, Jesus, we're winning and let's go to the games. Yeah. So it's not fair to people of Atlanta, their teams are so bad, you just say, I'm not paying anymore. Yeah, at a certain point, you can't go and be really supporting some of the teams.

Starting point is 00:04:14 I think in the South, well, the South is also kind of religious, there's more religion there, you know? And the only person we've ever seen even kind of, or the only person that people believe, like behaves, like, or gets wild on water is Jesus, really. So I think the second you see a guy saying, hey, look what I'm going to do out here on this frozen lake, I think it makes you wonder what's going on here. Well, in Canada, we call it arenas churches.

Starting point is 00:04:39 Oh, yeah. Yeah, because, you know, in Canada, it's hockey and religion. That was the two biggest things right so you can be You know sports is very popular in our country football Canadian football baseball the blue jays do well The raptors have done really well. So it's kind of Canada's team the raptors and the blue jays Yeah, but hockey is everywhere right so you can be driving in your car in July, and if you're listening to the talk radio, it's still 90% hockey that they're talking about in July and August. Because you can still do it.

Starting point is 00:05:12 And it's so popular, right? Oh, yeah, people love it. People, I think it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's, you know, like down in the US, I was encouraged parents to tell their kids, play every sport, baseball football basketball soccer Field across and they're also big and if you sat down here, you'd say okay Baseball is probably the most popular sport or no, it's basketball is the biggest sport

Starting point is 00:05:37 Yeah, and then you're like well football is pretty big, but in Canada. There's no definition. It's one. It's one It's a song. That's it. Yeah, I think I'm trying to think a while we never. Yeah, I think yeah, if everything's frozen, you know, you know, yeah, well, we got a big advantage because you got free ice. Yeah, you got free ice. Right. You know, it's a big thing. You know, yeah, I think $18 a bag one problem. Yeah, it's it's ice is expensive and you know parents a lot of parents It's hard for them to for hockey equipment ice skates

Starting point is 00:06:11 Pain for ice time, but in Canada most of the places you can play I grew up in southern Ontario which is basically Between Niagara Falls, New York and Detroit. Oh yeah, that's it. I mean, that's the third self of the free service. Yeah, so it gets pretty chilly here. So we had a nice drink in my backyard from the time I was,

Starting point is 00:06:32 yeah, yeah, I saw some lore about that. So my dad would go and he would buy a sprinkler head in December. They always thought he was crazy. Who's buying a sprinkler at Christmas time? Anyway, and he would put it on the middle of the ice and he would let it go back and forth for like two hours and then go move it another part of the ice.

Starting point is 00:06:54 And his ice was always about this thick and it would last till probably the end of March. Did he lay a good rank? Oh, he had the best. Really? Yeah, and he was funny. People used to stop by the house and say, how does Walter get his grass so green? What do you do? What are you putting in your grass? Might that didn't do anything.

Starting point is 00:07:12 It was just probably from the ice being so good for the grass. He always had the greenest grass in the neighborhood and didn't do anything. That's pretty classic, man. Yeah, we had some uneven areas. And I'm a rock played baseball. I mean, I don't know if I was, you know, mom signed me up a couple seasons, man. And it wasn't great for me. But our field was uneven. We had a uneven field. So every ball, if you hit anything second base, it was all in the right field, right? We probably had 25% gradient on the field. So we had at least two right fielders always at least. Well that's probably now listen I grew up loving baseball. I went with some of the grandson

Starting point is 00:07:54 play the other day he had his hat on backwards. I think he was picking Daniel. Always. Yeah. Oh yeah. I always get you out there who ends up doing being a gardener or something. Yeah and then I took him to we went to to watching play ice hockey the next day and they're up there sweating and skating for an hour loving it. Yeah. And they got to figure out a way to get these kids more enthusiastic about baseball because it's not a lot of fun for something we're standing on the field. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:18 I think and I think that's one of the reasons made. I don't know if baseball is, I guess it's always America's sport because there's something rooted in tradition about it. There's something, I mean, you give an American a hot dog, they'll sit there and do anything for a little while, you know? But I think it's true. It's like, you know, I do it if somebody's like, and the history of the game, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:38 the history of baseball from Babe Ruth, what he did, to what Jackie Robinson did for someone. There's so much history. And let's face it, it's economically easier to buy a pair of shoes and a baseball glove, then to have to buy a whole entire hockey equipment, sort of. Yeah, to set that up.

Starting point is 00:08:58 In certain parts, right? And then in other parts, it's the other way around, you know? Like it would be tougher to like heat a basketball court in the winter in Canada, so that people have the opportunity to be there and play as much. Yeah, we don't, you know, although the raptors have really found a niche in our country,

Starting point is 00:09:14 like they're huge. Yeah, people love them. I was in your country when they won the championship. And I wasn't in Vancouver, but people were like beating each other and hugging each other at the same time. So like in our country, like you're in Vancouver, you're a Canucks fan

Starting point is 00:09:27 and you're in Alberta, you either flames, oilers and all the way across, right? But if you're in Vancouver of Newfoundland, you're a Blue Jays fan or a Raptor fan. It's just it's Canada's team and they just all cling to it. It's something pretty special about it. And I always see when guys get traded up,

Starting point is 00:09:43 they're more basketball than baseball. And they say, well, I don't want to play in Canada. I want to stay in my own country. But the guys who go there will tell you it. They get treated phenomenally. It's a great city to live in. It's a great country. And people are nice.

Starting point is 00:09:55 Oh, people's always so nice in Canada. Even if somebody was angry, they may, I bet they would, they'd come across a street and they'd just say, hey, I'm angry, but I'm sorry. Yeah. You know, they do a lot of apologize. Yeah, they're just too kind. Well I noticed even like, you know, I grew up in the South there's a lot of like, I don't know if there's still as much, but especially when I was growing up there was like more racial disparity down there, you know, because there's a lot of history of like black and white racism down there and, um,

Starting point is 00:10:21 and when I was in Canada, I don't feel that energy. Everybody seems the same. It feels the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same.

Starting point is 00:10:32 I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same.

Starting point is 00:10:40 I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I feel the same. I go, yeah, I think they are. And I said, but you know, I got five American kids, five American grandchildren. And they're all nice kids too.

Starting point is 00:10:51 So you can meet a lot of nice people in there too. Right, yeah. What do you think you're coming out of that dress, G'da Lennie, and I think you guys have to see. You guys, I mean, it seemed pretty just like nice folks, you know? Well, they had a good mother. So, you know, listen, when you're working and playing hockey, you know, it's hard, you know, the schedule's tough.

Starting point is 00:11:11 Oh, yeah, you can't be like that. Especially playing on the West Coast in LA and Emton. We're always either playing or in an airplane, right? So, listen, I love my kids dearly, but it was the mother who was around them. The mothers are so vital. It was like my relationship with my mom and dad was very close. My dad was sort of this hockey father of the country.

Starting point is 00:11:33 People loved my dad. Walter Cretz, man. But I would always say, but it was my mom behind the scenes in their family. She was a wonderful lady and she always kind of stayed out of the limelight. Like when I was a kid and I play, all the parents used to sit sorted together and my mom would sit in a corner by herself. So what did she like to do your mom? Like what were some like when she had time for herself? What were some hobbies that she liked because I mean from what it here from what it sounds like your dad

Starting point is 00:11:59 Probably got pretty involved with you once you started playing hockey as much. So pretty involved with you once you started playing hockey as much. So a lot of people don't know this, but I had a down syndrome aunt and she was born in the 50s and back in those days they would take these kids and basically they put them in a silence and Medicaid them and people didn't know what to do. So my grandmother said, you know, I'm not sending her to school. So she never went to school day in her life. She was, by the end, she was a little bit blind. She lived until she was 63.

Starting point is 00:12:32 And my grandfather was from Russia, Belarus, Minsk, Russia. My grandmother was from Ukraine. And the kids were born in Canada. And my grandfather was speak to her in Russian, my grandmother would speak to her in Ukrainian, and we all communicated with her in English. And my dad used to always say, if you don't believe in the good Lord,

Starting point is 00:12:55 there's a great example right here. But so when she was trial-ingual then, she could understand, but she spoke only English. And if you didn't know her, you'd have a hard time understanding her, but we grew up with her, so we were fine. So when my grandmother was passing, she said, do me one favor, don't put her in her home.

Starting point is 00:13:13 And of course my mother said, I'll take care of her. So she lived with my parents for at least 12 years, I guess. And then, wow. Yeah, and then you were a child, too, it was when you were a kid? No, so my grandmother would have passed in 88, and that's when she moved in with my mom and dad. So she had her hands full with her own kids, grandkids, my aunt. If she, her enjoyment really was Friday night's going with her mom was my grandmother. They go they love bingo

Starting point is 00:13:47 That was a big thing in our hometown and she could my dad said she could play bingo every night She loved it that much Did how'd you do today? I want seven dollars. I'm like, okay, you least you're winning So her life was around our kids and the grandkids, but her enjoyment was going to Bingo. Well, so she was kind of, she just found a lot of joy in her family and then some simple pleasure.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Sounds like just simple pleasure, it's kind of. She was very simple. Like she was, I'll tell you when I turned pro, I said to my parents, I'm gonna buy you a house. And my mom and dad said, we don't need a house. We were fine right here. And so there was a little piece of property. It was an acre just down the street from where I grew up

Starting point is 00:14:34 and where they were living. So I went and bought it secretly. And I took them over there. And my mom said, what are you doing? I said, well, I'm going to build you this house here. You're going to something really special. She goes, no, no, my house is fine. She goes, but are you doing? I said, well, I'm gonna build you this house here. You're gonna, something really special. She goes, no, no, my house is fine. She goes, but if you wanna do something,

Starting point is 00:14:49 you can put a pool in her backyard. So I put a pool in the backyard and sold my piece of property because they didn't wanna move into it. And she, and they lived there till the very end. And when my dad passed recently, I bought the house and so now it's, I own my house. Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask actually, what that was like.

Starting point is 00:15:08 So what's your mom was like, now that all that skating's done, I want to pull back here. Yeah, oh yeah, she said, your father's not building the hockey rink anymore. I want a swimming pool. She loved having the swimming pool in the backyard. There is something nice about it, isn't it? Yeah, and she loved the barbecue. I was telling the story, you know, now they have everything so regimented, right? So back and back and when you win the Stanley Cup, they have these two guys that travel with the trophy because it's so special

Starting point is 00:15:35 Like they don't want anything to happen to it and they don't want it to break and so they keep a good eye on it Right like kind of like a like a net like a little bit of like a like a little bit of like a Like a little Gargoyles kind of like perfect like yeah, and they just protect Yeah, they just watch it. They travel with it like head man or whatever. Yeah. Oh my god pissed if we got by our nice dishes Yeah, so there they are in those days When I when I won the championship I remember one day was the summertime. I was at my folks house.

Starting point is 00:16:07 My mom was doing a barbecue. My both grandmothers were there. And I'm sitting there and I said to my dad, geez, I should just, I should get the Stanley Cup here and get some pictures. So I called the Hall of Fame and I said, hey, I'm having a barbecue this afternoon. Can you guys drive down the Stanley Cup?

Starting point is 00:16:22 And they said, yeah, we'll be down in an hour. They got in a car, put the cup in, drove down, gave me the cup, we took pictures in the backyard, and then they took the cup back to the Hall of Fame. Now it's all organized, right? Now each guy gets a day with the cup, it's all organized, and the guys travel with the trophy. But back then it was just like,

Starting point is 00:16:39 hey, can I have the cup this afternoon? They say, yeah, no problem. They bring the cup down. Yeah, so some of the best pictures I have are with my grandmother and my mom, say yeah, no problem. They bring the cup down. Yeah. So some of the best pictures I have with my grandmother and my mom, my dad and the backyard just holding a stand like that. Yeah, play the beans in one hand

Starting point is 00:16:51 and the side of the cup and the other. Yeah, cool. Oh yeah, that was big, huh? Yeah. Oh wow, yeah. I can only have so much corn in there which I had some beans usually. Yeah, dude, you're like a ice master.

Starting point is 00:17:02 Do you ever realize, like you kind of mastered like a, or anyway, to me, it seems like, you master. Do you ever realize that you kind of mastered like a, or anyway, to me, it seems like, you know? Like, do you ever go to like, or you ever at like Disney on ice, you ever take your kids to Disney on ice and you're just like, you know, you're like, those two monks are all sides.

Starting point is 00:17:16 You know, like, do you have that much of a, or when you see an ice maker on a fridge, you just growled, I feel like you just had that. No, that doesn't happen. You're frozen water, Max. I will tell you this. So I said to somebody the other day, we were on a lake and they said, you want to jump in?

Starting point is 00:17:33 And it was kind of a cold day. I said, you know, I'm way better when that water flows and I'm not going in. But I did go to Disney on ice one time because my friend and neighbor, Scotty Hamilton, I went to see the show one time. Scotty Hamilton, he's a dancer. He was a, yeah, he was an Olympic gold medalist.

Starting point is 00:17:49 Oh, he's an Olympic gold medalist. Yeah, and then he did a figure skater. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was really phenomenal figure skater and a wonderful guy. Oh, there he is right there. Yeah, and wonderful guy. So I think he was either Disney on ice or one of those shows

Starting point is 00:18:02 and we went to see it and we sat down by the ice and I think the time Katerina Vitt was in it. Oh, yeah, and it was spicy. Yeah, it was pretty phenomenal like what they can do. It's so different than ice skating. Mm-hmm. Like I think there's a lot of figure skaters that could transfer to ice skating, but I don't think there's a lot of ice skaters that could put on figure skates and do well. Yeah. It's a whole different thing. There's so athletic. I liveaters to could put on figure skates and do well. Yeah. Hold different thing. There's so athletic. I live with a guy for like probably four months and he was, I don't know what he was.

Starting point is 00:18:31 He was pretty tall, but he would. He was a figure skater and he took us outside one time. They had a Volkswagen rabbit outside and he ran and jumped over it from one side to the other side. That's pretty amazing. It was just unbelievable. And it was just an absolute... Closed trance.

Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah, it was just like it just blew my mind, man. Well, they're, you know, the training and the techniques that they have because they have to do those turns and they have to get high in the air to be able to do a triple. Yeah. So, they probably in the off season, they probably do a lot of squat training, you know, so that when they do get on the ice, they're much, it's much easier for them. Yeah, but yeah, they're really, they get out there.

Starting point is 00:19:09 Yeah, those guys can really can do it. I think ice skating is pretty incredible. Yeah, I think we just missed being in the southern part of the U.S. we miss all of the lacrosse, we miss all of the, you know, the sports really, the, the, the, the, uh, whatever it's called, the difference of sports just changes over, the, uh, whatever it's called, the difference of sports has changes over, you know, as you go down to the out. But you know, um, I was talking earlier about how poplar hockey is and it's definitely huge in our country. But

Starting point is 00:19:36 if you were to go around anywhere and interview people outside of Canada and say, what is the national sport of Canada? They'd all say isochi or 90% of them. But it's lacrosse. But it's actually lacrosse. lacrosse was invented in six nations reserve which is just outside of my hometown of Bramford. So a couple of things were very proud of Alexander Graham Bellmaid's first phone call from Bramford my hometown. Did he really? Yes. Who'd he call? He called somebody in Paris, Ontario which was like a 15 minutes away, 15 miles away. I'll check. I'll check that. If you get your first call, you're gonna call probably some woman. You know, some lady you might want to send. So they actually have

Starting point is 00:20:16 the telephone in Bramford. Yeah. And the other thing is what we're very proud of is that the cross was invented in Canada. It was a great sport. Yeah, dude. I didn't what we're very proud of is that the cross was invented in Canada. It was a great sport. Yeah, dude. I didn't even know about can I mean I didn't even when I was growing up We didn't really believe in Canada. Yeah I will tell you this in Canada and I don't mean this to be controversial We learn going up the geography of pretty much the world but a lot of Canada in the United States Yeah, well American kids kind of grew up. They didn't learn a whole lot about Canada. That there's provinces like a lot of Canadian kids can name every state and every capital. But there's only a handful of people I know that can name all the provinces.

Starting point is 00:20:58 Oh, probably 70 people of that America. Not even joking. I remember in our school, we learned about America, right? Yeah. Some kids can barely do that. But then above it, on the map, they had a picture of, it was like a wolf chasing a boy, you know? And that was, and we're like,

Starting point is 00:21:14 what is that? And they're like, that's, you know, that's Canada. One of the first things I learned was the capital Louisiana, Baton Rouge. Oh yeah. I always remember that. I don't know why I remember that, but I did.

Starting point is 00:21:26 It's a pretty good place. They had a hockey team for a little while. Didn't do well, but. I think hockey's gonna start going back there now. You watched. Because people, the greatest thing about our sport and the people who are in the game, like Ovetzkin and Krosby and McDavid and Matthews

Starting point is 00:21:41 and some of the Bruins too. Yeah, they're just good kids. You know, like they understand, like they're hard working and they love, they're unsolvable to their teams but they're unreal for the league and in their communities. Like these kids are good kids. So our sport is growing and expanding all the time. And more and more kids are playing hockey

Starting point is 00:22:02 in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Florida. Yeah. So Nevada, Nevada is a hotbed right now because the, the hockey team done so well. Yeah. People, they get the fact. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody loves it.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah. So I think more and more kids will start playing hockey. And I see our game just growing all the time. Um, what was, was there a part of the game that you, like, did you ever play goalie like, because every time I see clips of you and everything, you're always not playing goalie, right? I've never played goalie.

Starting point is 00:22:33 Which is fine. If I was a goalie, I'd be more like playing dodgeball. Right. I can't remember the way. But do you ever, did you ever do it to learn about what it was like? Like, did you ever like, the only time I ever did it

Starting point is 00:22:46 Was I was a kid we played ball hockey? What is ball hockey played with the tennis ball in running shoes? Okay, unlike a sport court or gymnasium All right, so the only time I would play goal where I wasn't scared to get hit by a puck Yeah, it was the tennis ball every now and then I played goal, But I was listening. People used to ask me, do you ever block a shot? First of all, you know how hard that puck is? And for the average hockey fan, they don't realize those pucks are every puck is frozen. So the pucks that you're using are not only hurt, but they're frozen too. Madden. It's a frozen. So they're in the referees box. And so they're frozen.

Starting point is 00:23:27 The Patriots probably did it. Frozen, so they don't bounce. So they don't bounce. Oh really? Because it's made out of what rubber? Rubber, yeah. Oh my God. And so these just say,

Starting point is 00:23:36 I thought it was cobalt. Do you ever block a shot? And I said, why would I? That's how, why they pay the goalie. That's not my job. I don't ask him to score goals. He doesn't need to ask me to block shots. I kind of faked it.

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Starting point is 00:27:18 Yeah, I didn't really keep tabs on it. I never, when I retired, I knew it was time to retire and I didn't think back and say, gosh, I wish I would have done this or accomplished this. But I did, I did look back and say, okay, because people ask me, what is your favorite record? And they're all, they're all, yeah, fun. They're all, you know, I'm proud of them all. But I got my favorite record is a year. I scored 50 goals and 39 games. And for me, it's my favorite record is a year I scored 50 goals and 39 games and for me it's my favorite record. Third season or something. Yeah and that's my favorite record because

Starting point is 00:27:50 listen all records are made to be broken but to me that's gonna be the hardest record to break. To get 50 goals and 38 games. So from that point of view it's my favorite. You seem like the kind of guy that if somebody broke it you would even be, you would applaud the fact that they did that way. Yeah, you know, listen, I learned from two of the best people

Starting point is 00:28:09 in the world, my dad who is a wonderful man and Gordy Howe. And Gordy Howe was my idol. When you're a kid and you have an idol, a lot of times you meet them and you go, I was just okay, maybe like I had a bad day or whatever. And you go, well, I met Gordy Howe when I was 10. My dad said to me, I was meeting Gordy Howe and I said, I can't believe any. He goes, what? I said, he was bigger, better and nicer than I ever imagined in my

Starting point is 00:28:36 little brain, the 10 years old. And so when I was breaking records, Gordy Howe was always there. He was the first guy to shake my hand and give me a hug. And so, you know, if Etchkin's gonna break my record, which is gonna be great for our game. And when he does, I'll be there for him. I hope I'm on the ice and I hope I get to be one of the first people to congratulate him because it's a special record. And it's good for our game if he does break it. Yeah. Oh, that's him right there. I was so exciting because I got the afternoon off school and I got a new suit that morning. So it was a big day.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Oh, yeah. Dude, look at you. You know who you look like a little bit? Who's that? You know who I'm going to say or now. No, no idea. Princess Diana a little. Like, no, no.

Starting point is 00:29:24 Just the fact that she's a female, I don't know if that's a compliment or not. And I just mean look man, and I think it's very much common. And she was a tall-flated guy. I've heard it before. Yeah, you have. Yeah. Yeah, man, I think God. Over and now and then when my hair is a little whatever, some guy said, guys, you got

Starting point is 00:29:39 rods to it hair. Oh, I think there's, I bet a couple of men played on your team just because they wanted to be near you, but no, you no, Gordy was so nice. He was just, so it was a dinner. It was a charity dinner. So this is an incredible story. Uh-huh. And 700 people were at the dinner. And that was the year I scored 400 goals. So the city wanted me to be part of it. And you know, when you're 10 10 years old You can't even stand up and do a speech in front of your classmates, right? So they had told the guy It's only 10 of this time. Yeah, so they had told the MC Wayne's just introduced him. He's not gonna talk and so Joe Thiesman was there

Starting point is 00:30:18 Yeah, Gordy how when you were 10? Yeah, Sandy, Holly a famous jockey and so they all get up and they kind of talk for seven or eight minutes and people laugh and giggle So the guy announces my name and I'm like, oh no, I'm already frozen and Gordy says to me now listen When you go up there just tell him you're lost with your skates and your hockey stick and so I got okay Okay, so I got up there and I was shaking and I remember I said thank you and I started bawling I got a stand-in ovation and I was shaking. And I remember I said, thank you. And I started bawling. I got a stand-in ovation. I went and sat down. Yeah. So years later, a friend of mine called me

Starting point is 00:30:52 and he said, Gordy's hometown is Saskatoon. They're doing this charity dinner with like a Lions Club, which was very similar to the one I did in my hometown. Yeah, we had Lions Club in our town too. So I called Gordy and his son Mark and I said, listen, Gordy came to my hometown when I was 10. I really like Gordy to come with me to Saskatoon and I want to surprise everybody.

Starting point is 00:31:16 So we were in Saskatoon, this dinner and eight. So I think there's about 3,000 people there. And the prime minister, Canada, happened to be in town. And he called me and he says, okay, if I come over there and sort of empty this and ask a few questions for the people, and I said, absolutely, no problem at all. So he said, oh, by the way, nobody knows this,

Starting point is 00:31:37 but I flew Gordy and he's at the hotel and Gordy's gonna come tonight and we're gonna introduce him. Well, it was like I wasn't there anymore. The prime minister was like, okay, maybe some of you do you and I'll do Gordi. I go, yeah. So anyway, when I got up on stage, I said to everybody,

Starting point is 00:31:54 I got a great surprise. I met him in my hometown. I figured I should come to his hometown. And Gordi how came out and I swear to God, if people didn't stop clapping, they'd still be clapping today because it was the longest, nicest, standing ovation that I've ever seen somebody get.

Starting point is 00:32:13 And he was so genuinely loved. And he was such, he was a really, people don't realize that Gordy Howe was a dirty player. First time I play against him, I took the puck from him. And next thing I know I got a whack. I was 17 years old and it cracked my thumb. He said, don't ever take the puck from me again. I said, okay, never gonna happen again. Anyway, so he got such an ovation. And after the event, we went back to the hotel and Gordy's had brought back a couple of his buddies that he knew the N.C. N. Wild couple older gentlemen. And we just

Starting point is 00:32:44 sat around and he had a, he had a, he had. And we just sat around and he had a memory sat there and he had a cold beer. And he said, this was one of the greatest days and greatest nights of my life. So it was very cool. When you look at like, when you were a kid, was most of your relationship with your dad, like hockey, like was it tough to because if you

Starting point is 00:33:05 became like if you excelled at something early right and a lot of times fathers and sons will it's tough for fathers and sons to find like a common ground sometimes to connect on things you know parents are always putting their kids in a different things and and dads are always trying to connect with their children you know was there other ways that you could like was that most y'all's relationship? Like I'm just kind of like, I guess I'm curious like what it was like.

Starting point is 00:33:29 Like we had a normal relationship, like normal father son. He was both parents tremendously supportive. You know, by the time I was 10, 11, 12 years old, I was playing in arenas that were selling out. That's crazy. You were like a circuses in town. A little bit.

Starting point is 00:33:48 I mean, not like that, but like you're not in me. But in those days too, it was such a big world because there was no internet, there was no cell phones. A kid might be three hours away. And you would hear about them. And you would hear about them. And then when you play against them, my dad would be in the card. And after the game about him. And then when you play against him, my dad would be in

Starting point is 00:34:05 the card. And after the game, he would say to me, his favorite line was always, no matter how good you think you are, there's somebody out there better than you. And I'd say, okay. And even when I was 15, 16, when people said, okay, he's going to be a professional hockey player. My dad, and never one time said, you know, oh, he's a camp miss or he's gonna make it. I mean, he hoped because he knew how much I loved it. But he never pressured me. The only thing he pressured me about is he would call me, Terry, you didn't miss any classes today.

Starting point is 00:34:34 So he's really, oh yeah, I said, Dad, I don't miss class because if I miss class, the team, so I was playing junior hockey and it was hard because we practiced every day and we travel a lot. Yeah. And so they were the team was always on you like you better be in class. So he was more concerned that I was in class. I remember I was 17 and I had this school teacher and he was I was taking a physics class and I hated physics and chemistry was I kept thinking, now where's this gonna, where am I gonna use this in the world?

Starting point is 00:35:08 Yeah, that's all I kept thinking. Anyway, and he said, if you just put the work in, I'll pass you it. So I did. I went to a class, I went to an extra class every day with him. And he worked an extra half hour every day. He passed me. And that was the year that month I got offered to turn pro and I signed to pro contract. And I remember I came back and I bought him a gift. It wasn't a whole, it wasn't a big thing. It was like a briefcase or something to thanking him for not, for being so patient with me and being so nice to me. He was so grateful. And it was always sort of when I signed my dad said, you're going to stay

Starting point is 00:35:45 Pearl Hockey, you're going to stay in high school to your 18. I don't care what you do, but you're going to school to your 18. So here I am playing Pearl Hockey. I was going to high school. I was picking up my team age daughter. We were in the same class. No. Why? The guy's name was Jim Nielsen. And I would pick his daughter up. We were in the same school, same class. Then I go to practice. You were like, Iced Vespressley. So the principal called me in one day and he said, son, I don't know, you're not going to mount anything.

Starting point is 00:36:13 You're missing too many classes. Oh, I like. I'm like, well, and he said, you know, I should just kick you out. And I said, listen, it was like early January. And I said, listen, do me a favor. And he goes, what? I said, give, it was like early January and I said, listen, do me a favor. And he goes, what? I said, give me the January 26. And if I haven't changed my act by then, you can kick me out. But I knew I couldn't go to class because we're always traveling and playing.

Starting point is 00:36:33 I was playing pro hockey, playing in Quebec City and going to Cincinnati and you have an ego when you're in club, we like the fonts at this point. I sat in the back corner. I just mind my own business. So the day I turned 18, I walked into the principal and I said, I just want to thank you for not kicking me out, but I quit. I'm done, and I quit school. I called my dad and my dad said, well, you promised me to stay to 18. Because the contract wasn't valid unless he would sign it. Because I wasn't 18 yet. invalid unless he would sign it. Because I was father would sign it. Because I wasn't 18 yet.

Starting point is 00:37:05 And so he said, I'll sign it, but you got to stay in high school. So did you ever finish high school technically? No, but I'm a doctor. Yeah. Is that me, anything? I'm an honorary doctor. I'm a play counselor. So it's funny because I think that's a lot.

Starting point is 00:37:24 People are always like, you got to do all of them. Yeah I always yeah, you know what I I'm an honorary doctor. It's funny I did the commencement speech for I said I'm okay. I'm gonna pick one and people have been kind enough to offer me And I said I'm you know what I'm gonna do one and so I picked the University of Alberta, which is in Emmitton which I thought was fitting and I have it's so funny because I have different nicknames. So in the hockey world, they call me Gratz. Gratzki, great one.

Starting point is 00:37:52 No, just Gratz. Gratz. And in the golf world, they call me Doc. Because I was telling the guys one day I was playing with, I think it was Dustin and Jordan Spieth. And I said, you know, I'm a doctor. It's something to that effect. So the golf world calls me Doc. In the hockey world, calls me Gratz. I think it was Dustin and Jordan Speeth. And I said, you know I'm a doctor. It's something to that effect.

Starting point is 00:38:06 So the golf world calls me Doc. And the hockey world calls me Gritz. Do you ever get to play with Sheldon Sory? You know Sheldon? I play a lot with him. We're next to our neighbors. Oh, that's awesome. Sheldon's a friend of mine.

Starting point is 00:38:17 He's just gonna have a baby right now. Yeah, that's so exciting. No, he's an unreal guy. He's a beautiful guy. Like I'm not saying he's beautiful, but somebody said it. He's a beautiful guy. Like I'm not saying he's beautiful, but somebody said it. He's beautiful too. He's got a huge heart. He's so mellow.

Starting point is 00:38:31 Sheldon's not gonna have a heart attack. Like he's always mellow. He's always happy. He's never upset. I'm a very calm person. Yeah, he's the one and him and his wife are great people. Yeah, he's handsome, dude. I think that's a weird thing about someone great people. Yeah, he's handsome, dude. I think that's a weird thing about

Starting point is 00:38:45 Some big. Oh, yeah, he's violently handsome. You're like damn that dude's handsome and it hits you Yeah, and that's why I always say to people I looked at guys like him and that's why I retired. Yeah They're so big. They're getting so in today These guys are so big today and the equipment is so much better and the skates is so much better and the teaching that they get at a younger age is so much better. These guys are incredible athletes and I'm glad I played when I played. I'm glad I'm gone now. Yeah, sometimes it's like you fit in time in a certain space, you know. I was, I have time means everything. I know. Yeah, you would know, man.

Starting point is 00:39:22 I got lucky, you know, listen listen I Came in at the right time I I came in when I came in they had a WHA which was similar to the ABA AFL and they were signing kids under 20 Seems illegal in some place. I mean it's like how well so I signed But had there not been that league I might might have played another three years of junior, you never know if you get hurt, I mean, never made it. Right.

Starting point is 00:39:50 So my timing was really fortunate, really lucky. Do you like to read any books? Are you reading anything? I'm reading one right now. Kenny Albert. Everything I do sports related. Oh yeah, you love it that much, huh? So, I'll give you an example.

Starting point is 00:40:04 When I was 15 years old I was playing on a junior hockey team and it was so exciting because one of my teammates was Murray Howe who was Gordy Howe's youngest son. Oh wow. And he's just a wonderful kid. And I wore number nine that year because I always loved Gordy. And so when he came in I said look you should wear number nine. Your dad's Gordy How, which my number of, oh, and he was, no, no, no, no. This is Wayne. This is my last year of hockey. I'm going to enjoy it. And I go, okay, he goes, I'm going to be a doctor. He was a really intelligent guy. And he did go on to become a doctor. So we get on the team bus and we travel to the city. He get on there and he

Starting point is 00:40:45 have all these books, right? And I'd get on no books and he goes, Wayne, you got to get your education. You got to, I go and go into a hockey game. I can't think about reading right now and doing homework. And so about two weeks later, I got on the bus and I had like five or six books. I sit down beside him and he goes, good to see you're taking notes here Wayne. That's good. Good for you. And he said, he goes, what do you got? Geography history. I go, well, I got Gordio hockey my way. Gordio hockey tips. I said, you want to be a doctor? I want to be a hockey player. But he went on to be a tremendous doctor and he actually gave the eulogy for his death funeral when he went glory past the way, which

Starting point is 00:41:30 was pretty remarkable. Do you, did you speak at your dad's funeral? What was that like? Yeah, I did. I spoke both at my mom and my dad's. And sorry to hear, yes, sorry about your fault. Yeah, it was, you know what, it was funny because there's something that just takes over inside you that you get

Starting point is 00:41:50 through it, right? Like, I remember my mom passed my dad called me and said, you know, we speak. And I said, of course, so when my dad was passing, my brothers and my sister said, you know, we speak. And I said, yeah, the ironic thing was, when my dad passed, you know, we speak. And I said, yeah, the ironic thing was, when my dad passed, we were still in the midst of the pandemic. So it was actually, in a lot of ways,

Starting point is 00:42:14 it was nice for our family, because there was only 22 of us there. And, you know, because you couldn't, that you couldn't invite everybody. Had it not been at that time, he probably would have had to get buried, or had the funeral in a in a hockey arena. Yeah, so many people he's so loved by so many people. So when I I found

Starting point is 00:42:33 both times sitting there going oh this is going to be hard and then when I got up there it just kind of flowed because my dad when I spoke at his he was so religious my dad, when I spoke at his, he was so religious, my dad. And you know, he never missed church on the Sunday when every Sunday, and he used to tease the kids because he tried off for the church choir and they wouldn't let him in. Yeah. So there was a little boy across the street who was disabled and blind. and my dad picked them up every morning at 10 a.m. every Sunday morning at 10 a.m. and took them to church every Sunday and then brought them back home and we'd taken McDonald's and then back home and he did it every Sunday. So when my dad was passing he's so religious, but I remember he was still fighting to stay down here, so to speak.

Starting point is 00:43:23 to stay down here, so to speak. He was 22 days, basically on the deathbed, right? And the minister would come every night at our house and he would give him his lost rights. And I said, right, I'm out of here. I say to the minister, my dad's got the biggest hurt. I'll see you tomorrow. So anyway, when we did give the, when I did give you,

Starting point is 00:43:45 I could feel like he was there and he got me through it. Wow, that's fascinating. Yeah, I'm a wrong to my dad's funeral is like, I don't know, it's just such a strength. It's such a, I don't know, it's wild seeing something like that happen. I think do you think it helped that your father had such a faith to to give you so like a... Oh yeah, yeah. He knew it was life after death. He was going to see his

Starting point is 00:44:10 mother. He's going to see his father. So his father, part of him was probably excited, huh? Yeah, I think, yeah, in some ways, but I think he wanted to be here as long as he could. He loved being around his grandkids. He loved being around people. He was just really special in that sense. Not too often you can say that people don't have enemies, but I don't think my dad had an enemy. Like he was beloved by everyone. I remember one time I came home when I would go home and visit him every now and then.

Starting point is 00:44:44 My dad would tell the whole city, right? They would come in. Yeah. So I got smart on that. I call my mom and I'd say, be home tomorrow. Don't tell dad. So I get there in the morning.

Starting point is 00:44:55 This is hilarious. And I walk in. And there's a guy lying on the couch. I get over to my mom and I kind of know everybody that goes in and out of our house, you know. My mom was in the kitchen. I said said who's lying on the couch? Who is that? She goes, I don't know But he's hitchhiking across the country from Newfoundland wanted to see the house So your dad told them to spend the night and have a good meal

Starting point is 00:45:17 So that's the kind of guy my dad was and the guy spent the night and got up in the morning and him and I had coffee guy spent the night and got up in the morning and him and I had coffee at the time of the day. You got to get a picture with my jersey on and I happened to be home that day and he was hitchhiking to rest the Canada. That was kind of dead right now. Wow. They should put him in a jersey and let's let him hitchhike the country forever and just make it like a thing.

Starting point is 00:45:39 Yeah. Well, you know, it's not the Stanley Cup but hey guys, if you met Stanley and if I just fix it. There you go. Yeah, be funny. Um, I'm trying to think about something else that's pretty neat, man. Do you all? Well, you talk about my wife's family. My mother-in-law is 102. No way. Which is amazing. You got that long blood in you, homie.

Starting point is 00:46:01 She's 102. She's a great lady. She lived with us to help raise our kids for 30 years. But she lives in her house in St. Louis. And when we're there, she likes to go for lunch or dinner almost every day, and she gets around on her own. It's truly remarkable. And what's amazing is that unfortunately, her dad passed away at 56, which is awful cancer and two sisters who had breast cancer both passed away And the mom is 102 and still going strong. Wow. That's incredible

Starting point is 00:46:33 I got some longevity then in your Jane time My dad always said it's the hours you get before midnight For sleeping so sleeping. Yeah, that gives you longevity and my mother-in-law is asleep by 8.30 and gets up at 4. I think there's something to that. I think there's something to it. There's something nice when you're up in the morning and you feel like you just kind of got up with the sun. You just feel like you're kind of dialed.

Starting point is 00:46:55 Oh yeah, and you know, it's amazing. The older you get, the earlier you get up, right? And the less you sleep for some reason. Yeah, and that weird man. And my dad used to always say, I remember, he had a famous quote to me, he goes, you know, you spend your whole life as a kid trying to figure out how to stay at a bed.

Starting point is 00:47:13 And as an adult, you try to figure out your whole life, how do I get to sleep? How do I get in bed? So true. Yeah. Yeah, I think sometimes when people are like, sometimes, yeah, if I even think about like leaving this earth, you know, and passing away from here, I think about just getting are like sometimes you have to even think about like leaving this earth You know and passing away from here. I think about just getting some good rest

Starting point is 00:47:28 You know, it's kind of the way I think about it in my head It's like you know some of that will be relieving. Did you guys ever go on any vacations and stuff when you were a kid Because if you're always doing hockey, it's probably always on the run Did you ever go to Florida somewhere the North Pole? That's funny North Pole Well two things, my mom's life, and this is sometimes you complain about this. So in the winter time, those hockey tournaments,

Starting point is 00:47:55 summer time was lacrosse and baseball tournaments. So that was our vacations. And then every three years, my dad's sister, because my grandparents in the 50s, had tobacco farms and people from the South would come up to work in the summer because the season for picking is a little different so they can make money in Canada and go back. So my uncle was from Greensbrook, Carolina, married my dad's sister. And every two years we would go down there for two weeks, we drive down

Starting point is 00:48:21 for two weeks and stay drive down for two weeks and stay there with our cousins and my aunt and uncle. And that was probably our vacation, right? I remember one time driving back, I convinced my parents to stop in Cooperstown, which was a little out of the way. And my mom was so mad at you. She said, we spent an extra six hours driving so you could go to Cooperstown and my dad would say this is good for him. That's okay.

Starting point is 00:48:49 That's so much fun. Man, I love it. Even when you were talking about like the lore like back in the day If you had like if you heard about a kid playing you'd have to go and see him. Yeah, that was the way it was back then. Oh, there was something so much more Magical about like lore like they don't have as much of it anymore because everybody, you know, everybody, I don't know. But you know, the funny thing is, like, if you say the kids today, like New York to London, England, it's not that far. We used to think Bramford to Windsor, Ontario, which was in two and a half hour

Starting point is 00:49:21 drive was like going to the other side of the world. Yeah. Like the world was so much bigger back then. Oh, we thought Florida if we saw somebody had a shirt on it And we said Florida on it. Yeah, it was like you've been there was only two places to go It must be the richest guy here. Yeah heaven and Florida. There you go Yeah, I like hang you didn't the Florida. We never got to Florida. Yeah, but we got to Carolina Which was really nice. It was great going with our relatives. And we got this all getting the car and just drive down there. Yeah, we had a Old car station wagon

Starting point is 00:49:52 Where would you sit? I was always kind of backseat, you know, and then It's like school, huh? Yeah, and we were driving Gosh, we didn't have air conditioning our car. So So, when we're on then, you rolled on the window so it wasn't as hot. But then you get down to Carolina, it was so humid, right? You'd be like, oh, put the windows up and let's sweat. So, my dad just always teased me when I was 14, 13, 14, 15.

Starting point is 00:50:19 You'd always say, if you do make professional hockey, just remember, I just find me a Cadillac. So, I bought one of those big brits Cadillac, so I brought it home, right? So the summer goes by, the year goes by, I go back home the next summer, and I look at the car, and there's like 80 miles on it, and I go, and I said to my mom, I said,

Starting point is 00:50:38 I bought Dad this car. Why is he not driving it? She goes, he can't drive it to work, because he doesn't want to have a nicer car than his boss. So I ended up, I think he sold it. I don't think he really ever drove it. But it was a good father-son thing that we had together growing up as a kid, right?

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Starting point is 00:54:27 coach when I for 16 years old playing with 19 20 year olds and he would say playing junior hockey is really hard. But being a professional hockey player is a great life and so you said you got hockey, you got schooling and you got nightlife, and you can only do two of the three. So make sure you pick the right two. So when you're 16 years old, it was my life. I loved the lived and died it. Go to school from 8.33 o'clock, practice four to six

Starting point is 00:54:57 every night, play usually Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, back to school, same things. When you see it like how you were compared to like how some other players were, right? Did you think that you almost had like a abnormality? How much you liked it or how much you focused on it? Like, was it that kind of thing? Because I see players, I have friends that are good at things and friends that really

Starting point is 00:55:21 are. Let's put this way. I know there's a lot of other really good players and athletes, but for us, for me, especially when I got to be 16, I knew that was my life. I knew it wasn't going to be a great student. I knew it was going to be hard for me to get a college degree. I understood that. I knew my forte was going to be hockey. And

Starting point is 00:55:46 growing up playing baseball, tracking field across, and I encourage parents all the time, all those sports helped my hockey. Oh, yeah. And so by the time I got to 16, I was like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. I want to be a professional hockey player. And so I really, that was my focus. And the only advice my dad used to say, give me, really was. You got a great opportunity here to really have a wonderful life. And the good Lord blessed you with a love and a passion like I've never seen before, and sort of like, don't blow it, don't throw it away. And so I always kind of thought that that,

Starting point is 00:56:25 I never thought I was missing out going to a different city or going here or doing this. If I was, my enjoyment was being on the ice. Yeah. I didn't think I was missing anything else. Like, wow. I never even, never even faced me. Yeah, that was the thing.

Starting point is 00:56:42 And, you know, I can remember remember my dad saying, you know, you're going to have so many opportunities here for some reason, you know, with your aunt me and Down syndrome, and you growing up with that in the Canadian Institute for the Blind was in my hometown of Bramford, like there's more than just hockey. Like you're going to be one day you're going to be a symbol for good things. And so I always I kind of grew up with it, right? It was that was kind of my education. What a powerful thing to say to a child too, you know, that they have the that they if they do their bet, you know, not even do their best, but if they make the people they make enough effort that they have the possibility

Starting point is 00:57:25 to be a symbol for good. And so that's really powerful. Yeah. And so, you know, I just, I mean, that's, I guess, you know, I became Wayne Gretzky. And so just had a love for it. That's all. He's in a hall like, did you trust me? Trust me, there was a lot of guys in more talent than I had.

Starting point is 00:57:44 Right. There's a lot of guys who were better than I was. Really? And then there's some guys that I just wanted it more than. But by no means was I the best player ever. There were so many great players. Did any players ever smoke cigarettes like at halftime or whatever? No, it kind of faded out in the late 70s.

Starting point is 00:58:03 60s and 70s. People grew up with that. Unfortunately, that's what happened to my mother. She was smoker 16 years old, but that was that era, right? Yeah. And there was, there were not a lot of hockey players who smoked, but there was a few. But by 1980, that was all it was done.

Starting point is 00:58:20 Sometimes you like to romanticize, seeing somebody spot, you know, well, I think it was Mickey Manel or Joe Dimaggio Then they do ads for cigarettes and the Yeah, and they used to be paid to the And everybody just kind of accepted it and now they get mad if you endorse Benning that's the new big thing. Yeah, a lot of people are doing that now Everything's kind of become like every a lot of the ads now are gambling I think a lot of people are gambling on stuff. Yeah, and all the owners they don't a lot of people are doing that now. Everything's kind of become like every, a lot of the ads now are gambling. I think a lot of people are gambling on stuff. Yeah. And all the owners, they all, a lot of them own their own places and, you know, off sports,

Starting point is 00:58:52 baseball, basketball, football. So, you know, I just did a wonderful commercial with Jamie Foxx for bed MGM and I had a ball doing it with him. Oh nice. Yeah, it was fun. Did you get where Tuxedo's or something? We were suits, though yeah, there ads always had like a polished look. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He was it was his first working day after his injury, but he was great. He was fine. He was he worked all night the night before and then he worked all night with me that night. Had you ever worked with him for now? No, I hadn't worked with him before, but you know, small world. We lived five minutes apart in a thousand oaks. So I used to see him periodically, different things, but he was beloved in the community and another guy, he really didn't have any enemies, everybody loved him. Well, he's one of the most

Starting point is 00:59:33 tell me, people forget also that he's a stand-up comedian. Oh, I mean, how great he was. And living color was like the best TV show they ever had when I was growing up. He, the Jamie Fox show was unbelievable. He was so talented. And then he went to Oscar for forget. Oh, yeah, Muhammad Ali maybe. No, was Ray. Ray. Yeah. Yeah. He was unreal. So Ray Leonard, no, who was Ray LaMontaine? No, no, the singer Ray Charles. Yeah. I was going blank too, but he was phenomenal in that. So anyway, I had fun with him. He's no wonderful guy.

Starting point is 01:00:09 Did he seem healthy? Yeah, he's fine. He was great. He was happy. I don't even know really what happened. He didn't, you know, it's not my business and he didn't talk about it, but. But if you didn't know something had happened,

Starting point is 01:00:21 you wouldn't even know. No, you wouldn't know. He was doing fine. And like I said, he was working late. Like he'd worked the night before sort of nine o'clock to five, because they got a shed everything down, so they can film it in actual place, right? And so the next night was sort of eight o'clock to five again.

Starting point is 01:00:36 He was unreal. He was fine. Did you guys go see a show or anything while you're out there? No. No, no. I'm not big on going to shows. Although my friend, who I work with, Henrik Lunkwist went to the opening of the sphere in Vegas.

Starting point is 01:00:49 Wow. And he said it's not like anything you've ever seen before. First of all, you two and then so. It's the future. He says they have these AI robots that you talk to them. You think they're real people. So, man. Mine is girl outdated for a while.

Starting point is 01:01:06 I so we're gonna have a hockey coach. They'll be the first one, a hockey coach, AI. These are hockey coach. You know, I always fantasize if it would be pretty cool, not fantasize, that's a weird word to say to another man, but I always thought about wouldn't it be neat if there was a team where people could sit at home and make like as a group vote really fast on what the next play should be and that it would almost be a completely controlled

Starting point is 01:01:30 team by like the fans, you know. You probably would struggle in hockey because it's so quick. Yeah, but you could probably do it football for sure set up a play. Yeah football was I think the sport that I thought about it the most. Yeah, hockey be hard. Maybe even baseball because you could pitch that the pitcher throws. Yeah. And who's pitching? Yeah, be pretty interesting.

Starting point is 01:01:52 Two of them you could do probably. Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson or not? No, but I used to do hot yoga and thousand oaks with his brother. Tito? Yeah, it was fun,. Nice nice, nice guy. So yeah, but I never met Michael Jackson. No, I remember I'm got to talk to Hulk Hogan

Starting point is 01:02:11 and he met Michael Jackson one time. It's just interesting. You want to I got a great Hulk Hogan story. Yeah, so people don't know this, but Hulk used to live in thousand Oaks too. And it was December 24th. We go to this thousand oaks mall and I'm getting last minute Christmas gifts from my kids who are at the time sort of 10, 12 and 14. So I put them all in the car and they had a valet

Starting point is 01:02:39 parking for the at the mall. So I get up come out and I put all my bags in the car and I drive home. So I get a call around seven o I put all my bags in the car and I drive home. So I get a call around seven o'clock and he goes, Wayne, and I go, yeah, and he says, Terry, I think it's really, it was, yeah, Terry Bollaya. He goes, Terry, Terry, he goes, Hulk, he goes, we got a problem. I'm like, what's the problem? He goes, we got the exact same car. I got your car and your presence. You got my car My presence so I go inside and I'm like oh my god. He goes yeah, my kids are older. It's probably not gonna work So I said on me you halfway so we drove back halfway together and we switched the cars out got the president to my home

Starting point is 01:03:21 True story got got in each other's car well because the valet guy is gone They were talking cars and we were you know We weren't really paying attention because the same color. But then your kids wake up and person's morning and they all get bananas. They get bananas in body oil. You're 12 year old daughters getting a jar of body oil. You're like, this seems a little weird. I do remember saying I don't think your kids, you know, like when I got my kids, they're older.

Starting point is 01:03:48 It's all cold. Yeah, there you go. Did you, when you met your wife, how do you know that she was like the wife for you? Like, you're like, you're that told me. Really? Gosh, it was a real leader then. Well, the first week I said, what do you think?

Starting point is 01:04:01 He goes, oh, she's a lifer. I go, you just matter. You know what, we had the same similarities. Like, we love, we love, both one have a family. We want to have kids. We both love sports. It's wonderful that I actually, her and I watch hockey together, baseball, football,

Starting point is 01:04:19 basketball, she loves going to games. She loved growing up with our kids, going to all their sporting events and going to the girls She loved growing up with our kids going to all their sporting events and going to the girls band ballet and dancing. We just, we think the same way, I guess. And we're born 16 days apart. So wow.

Starting point is 01:04:35 January 10th, I'm January 26th. Yeah, so we had a lot in common, you know. Is it different being a dad, like a girl and a boy? Oh yeah. I don't have any children. Like I would like to have someone day, you know, is it different being a dad with like a girl in a boy like oh, yeah I don't have any children like I would like to have someone day, you know, but I don't have any Some ways it's different in other ways. It's it's not You know It's just it's just a little bit different, but not really did it come easy. Do you be in a dad some of my friends have a tough time and some of them Oh, yeah, I was I loved loved being a dad. So, yeah, you know, I always told my friends, you

Starting point is 01:05:07 know, you know, you know, all your parenting to about 13 or 14. They haven't learned by then you haven't done the job right, right? And our biggest thing in our house was everybody can say, please, thank you, excuse me, that was our biggest fight, not fight, but that was the biggest thing we drilled in all the time. And then when your kids get to be 16, 17, 18, then you become best friends. And so I don't really look at my kids as kids anywhere. Look at them as my closer friends, simple as that. So it's interesting.

Starting point is 01:05:36 Yeah, they kind of evolved then. Yeah. I'd rather hang out with my kids at this age now than travel somewhere to go visit so many for two days, you know. Yeah. It's just as fun. Did you ever have to take your kids like, what did you ever take them trick or treating or something like that?

Starting point is 01:05:51 So this is funny story too. So when I played for the New York Rangers, we had a apartment in a high-rise. Did you have a lot of play there or no? No, no. Mark Messay was on that team. Yeah, Messay, Brian Leach. So we lived in this high ride, 16th floor ride.

Starting point is 01:06:08 So was our first year in Manhattan and the whole family's living in a high ride in Manhattan. We've had a three bedroom, there was at the time, we only had three kids. So we had bedroom for my wife and I, one for the two boys and one for Paulina. And so I remember I said to the dorm and the day before Halloween, I said,

Starting point is 01:06:25 where do we trick or treat here? Yeah. He goes, oh, everybody just walks through the building. And I'm thinking, no, no, no, no. So we left on just off and back. Take him out in this street. No, no, no, listen. So I'm like, we're right on Madison. I have 63rd Madison. So I go out there. I said, okay, and I walked into every one of those stores that I know my wife had ventured into a lot Prada Gucci on I said you guys better have candy tomorrow at six o'clock, and so we walked the kids down that I said you got to be outside Right you can't be walking so we go into the Gucci and they give them stuff We go and Prada they're getting candy. I still think they do it today

Starting point is 01:07:02 But it made more sense to me than walking through an apartment building. You want to be outside and hello. Oh, you have to. You have to run inside. Yeah. Yeah. So it's fun. When you did you with it fun doing trigger treatment when you were a kid, like, you remember what you dressed up as you just dressed up as a hockey player? I always wear a hockey player. So, and I'll tell you why, because every Halloween, it seemed like we had to practice that night So we would be on the ice from like five o'clock to six and you know It gets dark by 6 30 at that time in the year in Canada So my dad would race me home. I get pillowcase and I'd go up and down the street get a ton of candy

Starting point is 01:07:39 And that was my and I just left my hockey uniform on just took my helmet off and Every place I went to the people they all all knew has come as arguably these to laugh because it's small community, small street, you knew everybody right? Well, Wayne's here again, hockey guys. Gosh, that's wild, man, that it was that much of your life, that it was your Halloween costume. That says a lot, I feel like. You know?

Starting point is 01:08:03 Well, when I was seven, I went to a barber shop, and I asked the barber if he could cut my, give me a gordy-how haircut. So I liked the gordy-how and hockey. It was crazy. What's something that you like admire about each one of your children, kind of? Oh, I just, they're all nice. You know, they're polite. They're not egotistical. They're they're not

Starting point is 01:08:29 In the slightest jaded at all. They're just good kids. That's you know, my youngest two are still in college and they love it I have a son of NYU and a daughter at SMU and Three kids who have children of their own now. Yeah, they're just they're nice none of them are jaded. That's the best part when you finished hockey like as a Employee as a player. Yeah, did you? Was it did you find like was it tough to like take that energy and all that mode like that because you have such a focus Then there's a focal point was it interesting to see like how that popped up in other places in your life or was it? That was a big issue. It hasn't and it doesn't. You know, I, my life was

Starting point is 01:09:13 hockey. If I go play tennis, I just play, I'm not, I don't really even care about the score. If I go play golf, it doesn't matter if I shoot 83 or 93, I don't worry about it. I don't really care about the score if I go play golf doesn't matter if I shoot eighty three or ninety three I don't worry about it. I don't stress about it. You know I did all that you know and I loved it But I don't have that same Like fight or battle for fun. I just don't have that and you know people always say Michael Jordan so competitive of everything he does and That's not you that's that's not me. I just I'm fine. I'm happy what I accomplished. I'm happy I'm I did it. I'm happy. I'm done

Starting point is 01:09:56 But that's all kind of behind me now. I don't worry about it. It's like I get parents to come up to me You know Mother is their hardest right and my mom was worse too. She chased down Bobby Hall to get an autograph for me and I get parents to come up to me. You know, mothers are hardest, right? And my mom was worse too. She chased down Bobby Hall to get an autograph for me. And so when moms grab me, I go, I get it, I get it. My mom did it for me too. But the moms always say to me,

Starting point is 01:10:16 when you tell my son how many hours a day you used to practice. And I go, that's not it. And she go, what do you mean? I go, that's not it. I said, I just did it because I loved it. If you have to say you got to be out there two hours or three hours, you're in the wrong thing. I just was there all day long because I loved it.

Starting point is 01:10:32 Yeah. Wow. Yeah, moms would be nuts. I remember Michael Landon was coming our town and once and mom was all excited, but he didn't show up. He couldn't leave the prairie. But, yeah. Yeah, every week on that show, one of his kids was like getting beaten by a whore. For a whole year. Like, yeah, somebody had dementia.

Starting point is 01:10:55 I was like, what do you mean a nine year old has dementia? Like, every week it was like, there was like, yeah, there was iron in too much iron in the water, some where somebody was blind. So when you get on one of those early teams, like, did he, yeah, there was iron in too much iron in the water. Some or somebody was blind. So when you get on one of those early teams, like, did he, were you guys on a bus just cruise and like through like Canada, like we guys like just heading all over the place? Did you ever have that kind of time or no? So when I played junior hockey in the league, I was in Ontario.

Starting point is 01:11:20 I was on a team called Susie Marie Greyhounds, which was the farthest north in Ontario. Wow. So our closest bus trip was the farthest north in Ontario. Wow. So our closest bus trip was three and a half hours to Sudbury. So the team got an airplane. It was a DC-3. No. And we used to fly to all the games and play simply Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, a fly back to Susanne Marie and we do that twice a month.

Starting point is 01:11:43 And then when I turned pro, you know, Edmonton, we flew commercial everywhere. And, you know, there was a lot of flights that we went to Edmonton through Minnesota or Edmonton through Chicago to get the, there wasn't a whole lot of direct flights from Edmonton to Manhattan. No. So, yeah, we, I travel a lot. We've been around a lot. I remember I went to Florida.

Starting point is 01:12:03 So I was in Florida, right? I'd been on a cruise ship and I had to go to Edmonton to perform, right? At the comedy club there. Oh yeah? It was one of the first ones. I've been in there. Oh yeah, at the Mall of America, right?

Starting point is 01:12:12 Or Mall of Canada? Yeah, they built that one before the one in Minnesota. Well, that one, first of all, you guys has a gun range in it, which is crazy, you know? And we got a lake with waves. We got a hockey range in there. got a hockey rink in there. It's pretty much everything in there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:30 Yeah, there's like four American Eagles in there. And there actually, there was an actual American Eagle in there last time we were in there. Yeah. And it was hatching, it was doing like a, I think it had a couple of checklings or whatever near pay less shoes. Yeah, I've never been a hunter.

Starting point is 01:12:48 Hunting duck hunting is big in your country. It's big in Alberta, big in Saskatchewan. We went hunting one time. I went one time in my life. One with three teammates. We were 19 years old. We didn't know what we were doing. And we're two hours in. We were duck hunting. And we couldn't figure out where the ducks were and this guy come over He said you guys got a goose call That's a bad our hunting was And we're standing there going no we just thought there was no ducks. Yeah, you look over just Tony

Starting point is 01:13:15 Sierra you got the wrong you got the wrong horn or whatever. I'm like okay That was my last time I had to go to this store. It was five dollars a good apartment I never even fired the gun as the last time I ever went. Never shot a gun since. Who doesn't want to like the funniest guys that you spend time around in the league? Somebody that you love being around that really makes you laugh. Brad Hall is a genius.

Starting point is 01:13:37 And he's, Brad Hall is one of the funniest, nicest people you ever, ever meet. You remember his every word and every song. You remember his lines from movies. Like he's just, and he's just got a big heart he's a tremendous guy did you all what's a good concert that you went to that you enjoyed over the years you know what I'm seeing Elton John this weekend Elton John is phenomenal I saw Elton John and Billy Joel together. No way. At the forum years ago, which was remarkable. But you know, my very first concert everyone to was

Starting point is 01:14:12 Chicago, remember the band, Chicago. And I remember I was 16 years old and I was a good friend with David Foster who was, he's the producer of producer. He's Canadian boy and so two years later I was playing the World Cup for Canada and he calls me and he said there's a couple guys from Chicago that want to come to your practice Can you get them in? I'm like, yeah, of course. So they came in I Think the drummer's name was Johnny Panazo, right and he used to play a little bit of gold tender and hockey. So they came to practice and I'm sitting there, we went for lunch after and I remember staying two years ago,

Starting point is 01:14:53 sitting in the last row watching their concert and two years later, I'm having lunch with them. So I always said that was one of my favorite concerts. Oh yeah. Yeah, I remember, I got a t-shirt. I don't even know who gave, I think where we got it from. I didn't even know it was a band. I thought it was just for the city. Oh yeah, yeah. And then I wore when I was a kid. It was just a nice shirt.

Starting point is 01:15:11 It was like pure cotton. And I remember just, I remember wearing that Chicago shirt. I'm trying to think of the first concert I ever went to. Might have been like smashing pumpkins or something. Well, our big ones up there are pink Floyd and. Oh yeah, the hit and tragically hip tragically hip. Yeah, Brian Adams. Oh, dude, I met Brian Adams in South Africa at a breakfast buffet.

Starting point is 01:15:37 And he's a wonderful guy. And of course, Celine Dion. Oh, yeah, she was a. Burton Cummings of his big in Canada. Burton Cummings? Yeah. They were in a band called the Guess Who. I think maybe I've heard of them. I'm trying to think of something else I've heard of. You know, my mom used to make us clean the house, right? And we, she wouldn't put Brian Adams on repeat. We got on like one of those CD like you know where the male you've seven CDs

Starting point is 01:16:07 For 40 cents and then you get sued over the years the first album was I cuts like an I for yeah, yeah, I met him when he was 17 and that Album had just come out. He was 17 when that came out. I was 17. He was a year or two older than me He was that young when he became a star. Oh, yeah Yeah, and he was good because from there, he just got bigger and better It's funny because my friends and all laugh at me because every time somebody comes on whether it's a singer or an actor or whatever I'll go, you know, he's Canadian like there's so many people that you don't know that are Canadian that I know yeah, I go he's Canadian You know, there's so many great Jim Carey, Howie Mandel.

Starting point is 01:16:49 Yeah, and there's a lot of really good Canadians. Are you the most famous Wayne, do you think? No, Wayne Myers from Wayne's world. Oh, yeah, Wayne's world, huh? Wayne Myers. Wayne Newton. He's not Canadian though. Yeah, I know, but just a Wayne overall Bruce Wayne Yeah, I think Batman might have you little Wayne. Oh, Wayne

Starting point is 01:17:14 I met little Wayne recently at a hockey game. He's very nice and did he come up and say I'm also Wayne Like does that happen when you're a celebrity like that like hey, hey, I'm waiting to or? No, he was just, he was very cordial. I was just like, hey, I actually stopped him. I said, can I get a picture with you? He was like, of course. He was at a hockey game. I was at Vegas Nights game. Oh, there you are right there.

Starting point is 01:17:34 I was like, I grabbed him. I was like, gosh, I gotta get a picture with him. Cause the only kids will always say, Dad, you know, you're in little Wayne song. I'm like, okay. And so when I saw him, I said, gosh, I gotta get a picture of it. I kind of Fanned it up. I kind of like became a mom

Starting point is 01:17:52 Yeah, you became friends is dying there you go Lil Wayne looks a little high in that picture too I don't blame him is there something is there a candidate doesn't revere celebrity? It's different, right? Than an America. Oh, they do. They're listen canines are very proud of their country. Right. No. Oh, yeah No doubt, but if there's something they like the story bet like my Canadian friends love stories like yeah Bizzle my two mentors Canadian and he loves like the there's always like, yeah, but this guy, they love the... Well, right now probably, Drake's probably our biggest Canadian right now.

Starting point is 01:18:32 Oh yeah. He's probably the closest thing right now to Taylor Swift, I would imagine. Drake or Santa? No, Drake's pretty big. I got to meet Drake last weekend,. Yeah, the concert. No, it was um I Was hanging out with this guy David grutman. He's like a Okay, he's a restaurant throughout singing all this restaurant tour guy was in Miami

Starting point is 01:18:56 Okay, and Drake had had some Was having like a little get together in a bar that he'd rented out a small bar And he knew it so he went by and he and I had messaged each other. What's that? What city, really? Miami Florida. Okay.

Starting point is 01:19:12 He and I messaged each other. All right, he had a concert there last week. Yeah. A bunch of our friends drove down for the concert. From where, from Canada? No, no, we live in Jupiter. Oh, you do? Fort Lauderdale area.

Starting point is 01:19:21 Oh, it's pretty over there. Yeah. Yeah. See, I got the Florida ones and I just stayed. It's nice, isn't it? Yeah, I'm telling you. I couldn't get there as a kid, but now I live there. People were on to it, rather.

Starting point is 01:19:32 But I got to, yeah, I said, hey, and then we started talking for a little bit and it was really nice. I thought I was gonna be nervous because sometimes you can meet, like I think celebrities, you know, sometimes you can be really nervous, you know, and I just, I'm glad I wasn't like real nervous. I like that sometimes still is there somebody that you met that over the years and you were like yeah, you get surprised

Starting point is 01:19:50 Sometimes you chill as could be you're like I'm doing good. Yeah, no, there's people that I've met over the years And you go wow guys really cool. Yeah, I don't know I met president Clinton about a year ago at the golf course and he was so nice and Yeah, it's like Most people are pretty nice, right? Yeah Yeah, and I guess with golf you get to probably play games with a lot of neat people, huh? Yeah, some of them are nice guys I'm a golf course. Some of them get get competitive. Yeah, and sometimes Sometimes they don't you know, yeah, I'm not competitive so people that play with me know I'm I'm having fun. You're just taking it easy What are some what like your dad had a pretty strong religious belief to did that carry over to your family?

Starting point is 01:20:37 Or what is that kind of like for you? Oh, yeah, we real strong belief, you know When I was a kid, I got confirmed, I was 14 years old. But we have a belief of you treat people the way you want to be treated. That's our big religion in our house. There's no reason to be mean to people. That's kind of what we live by. When you look at anything else like a life that you want to do, like are there things that like you find now that kind of, or when you look to your future, obviously like spending time with your family. Yeah, you know, you have any big goals still?

Starting point is 01:21:16 No, I really don't. My wife says me. That's so nice. You got to, I said, you know, I'm going to be 65 soon. And my goal is retirement, really, you know, I'm gonna be 65 soon. My goal is retirement, really. You know, I've traveled a lot, I've done a lot. I'm loving me and on TNT. It's a riot, great people, wonderful organization. I'm thrilled doing it a few times a month, and I love it, because I'm still involved with hockey.

Starting point is 01:21:39 We don't have to stress out over it, winning or losing. So when I go and I'm doing the games, people go, who do you want to win? I'm like, it doesn't matter to me. Now, my heart is obviously with Emma, Tanael, I say, Lewis and Rangers. So if they're playing, I'm kind of pulling for them. But on that, I'm like, whoever's the best team has, I hope they have a great game. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he scored kind of all your goals, I guess, on the ice, maybe, huh?

Starting point is 01:22:03 There you go. Thank you so much Wayne for your time and just for Yeah, I don't know just being a fascinating person to talk to and get to spend time right it's inspiring just to hear like That being a human is just as important to you as being a great I never looked at myself as if somebody different we're all the same right just be nice to nice to people. And listen, I love doing you shows. Fun. Yeah, thank you so much for your time, brother. But when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mine I found I can't feed it in my bones I thought it's gonna take

This Past Weekend - E471 Wayne Gretzky

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