This Past Weekend - E473 Jelly Roll & Ernest

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Jelly Roll is a singer, songwriter, and rapper who just won New Artist of the Year at the 2023 CMA awards. He is also nominated for “Best New Artist” at the 2023 Grammy Awards. His latest album ��Whitsitt Chapel” is out now. Ernest is a singer, songwriter and producer who has written for Jelly Roll, Morgan Wallen, Florida Georgia Line, and more. His latest solo album “Flower Shops” is out now. Country stars Jelly Roll and Ernest return to the show to chat with Theo about the whirlwind weeks following Jellys’ big win at the CMA’s, what lead up to his viral speech, why country music is having a singer-songwriter revival, the unlikely origin of their biggest collab “Son of a Sinner”, the time Ernest had to call poison control, what they’re getting their ladies for Christmas, and more. Jelly Roll: https://www.instagram.com/jellyroll615/ Ernest: https://www.instagram.com/ernest/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ ShipStation: Get a 60-day free trial at https://www.shipstation.com/theo . Thanks to ShipStation for sponsoring the show! Keeps: Thanks to Keeps for sponsoring this video! Head to https://keeps.com/THEO to get a special offer. BlueChew: Go to http://bluechew.com and use code THEO to receive your first month FREE - just pay $5 shipping. DoorDash: Download the DoorDash app and use code THEO23 to get 50% off (up to a $10 value) when you spend $12 or more after signing up for DashPass. BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 10% off your first month. Morgan & Morgan: If you’re ever injured, visit https://forthepeople.com/thispastweekend or dial Pound LAW (#529). Their fee is free unless they win. ------------------------------------------------- Music: "Shine" by Bishop Gunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A_coTcUek ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [e-mail] Hit the Hotline: [phone] Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers/ Producer: Alex https://www.instagram.com/mralexlagos/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today's guests are two hitmakers in the country music universe. One of them is just named the best new artist at the CMAs. One of them is one of the most talented songwriters that there is. They're Nashville guys and they are friends of mine and they bring a lot of joy to a lot of people. I'm grateful to have them both return to the podcast. Today's guests are Jelly Roll and Ernest. I'm gonna find a strong way I was singing. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it.

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I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna sing it. I'm gonna, when I put them, I feel like I'm, like I was supposed to do cold weather, dude, because we had, oh, in our neighborhood, you'd ever do it out there wearing, yeah, you sometimes you see like a... The ear muffs. Yeah, you'd ever do wear a knees at Christmas or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the, um, you're gonna shoot your eye out.

Fuck, why come so high, can't we lose the store? Yes, class. You're always wore those, too. Yeah. Now, how high are you guys? You guys, like, how high can you guys get? Well, they always wore those too. Yeah, no how high are you guys? You guys like how high can you guys get well first of all this is well We were just talking about the highest we've ever been yes And we did it with the same person but separately. Yeah, but I was sitting with you gave us just enough time to get stoned

You were like 10 minutes boys and me an artist were like to the car I was gonna be five minutes early Yeah, I was gonna be five minutes early, but then You know pushed it. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, so we might have showed up sober for this Hey, if somebody's like hey, man, we gonna need five extra minutes in here. That's been that's been the weasel sneaks 100% Sitting here with jelly roll and Ernest man. Thank you guys, bro. Thank you. First of all, thank you guys If you don't mind while you're thanking us, I just want to start and I'm sure Ernest wants to do this too is it As guys that have been friends with you for a while and my first podcast I ever did was with you on Thanksgiving week

By the way, we sit here on Thanksgiving week So I want to thank you for everything you've done for me, being early, being a believer, a supporter every time you've ever said something nice about it. But more motherfucking importantly, Theo Vaughn, we want to give you your flowers. You're on fucking fire. I don't know if you even see it because you're such a humble in your own head, dude. I know that as you as your friend, but you are fucking scorching. It has been so fun to watch, dude. I mean, it is, look at him. Blushing. It was fucking beautiful, dog. Thanks. So happy for you, man. It was, so I was so glad to get the call one, just to get to hang out, but two to tell you in front of you and your audience that man, I have never laughed. So I've

never, I mean, I could just bore you with how happy I am in every podcast I've watched and just fucking how genius and brilliant you are. But the day in a white one most recently. Dude, I've watched every Dana White scrum my whole career, right? I got to where I don't even watch the fight sometimes. I just go Google Dana White and see what the post-credit what did he say about the fights? Are they fucking worth watching?

He'll tell the truth. There's a Chinese life he can get if just him watching the fight. Really? Yeah, but I, dude, I'd never heard him like that. It was really cool, but I'm sorry. I just I want to start Man, we love you. Well, we're here with the writer of flower shops. Anyway, so I think it's the guy to do it around Dude, what if you did a show where people got their flowers from somebody like as it get like as a you know Thank you, bro. That's really sweet. Yeah, we tweet everything. He just said. Yeah, thank you

Well, thank you guys for making me laugh, dude, for making me feel welcome in a new city. You know, we'll say that. You guys have been very, you showed up for like the first time that we had a show in Nashville, at Zainey's, man, you came out and Ernest, you've been somebody that just, you know, always, you know always checks in or cheers me up or keeps you in the know what's going on with a lot of these guys because so many artists are on the road now and stuff out of here. But thank you, bro.

A very sweet you, man. And happy holidays, boys. And I was throwing Knucks your way for a second. You got me high, man. And you, and you guys wrote, tell me this, cause I didn't know this. I was at a writer's round. I think you were a performer now. And you wrote Son of a Center together.

Yes, sir. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy, bro. It is, it's really crazy. Because him, I believe Son of a Center, but then I get over either. I'll write all on.

Yeah, well, my, my birth father was definitely a center. I was adopted into a lesson of a city. Oh yeah, then you're dead. Yeah, that's second. You're like an aftermarket center. I was actually son of a deacon. Yeah, son of a deacon in the church of Christ. We actually have a song on his new album that talks all about that actually. Oh my goodness dude. So can I tell the story? Yeah, please. So, me and Luke Bryan were playing golf at a troubadour and we're listening to some rap

and we started talking about jelly roll. He was like, y'all know each other for a while. And yeah, I was like, yeah, we go back. I was like, you're not fighting your best, not to do your Luke Bryan impression right now. That's the soul one we got here, man. He was like, you've been known jelly rolling. That's kind of bad.

That's kind of bad ones. But I got a good one coming up here. Because I was like, yeah, I was like, I used to go by his house and acquire some things and we'd freestyle rap. And this is like back in 2010. I was like, then I went to college and he went to jail. And then we came back around all these years later and Luke was like, hold up, motherfucker,

you better write that fucking song right now. And so I started kind of freestyle in the golf cart. It was like, I went to college. He went to jail. One was a dorm room, one was a sale. Who came out on top? Hell it's hard to tell. I went to college.

He went to jail. So we're gonna try to get off college. That's the only thing I'll say. Well, here's the best. So imagine this, I'm getting a FaceTime or a phone call like every 16 minutes from a drunk earner to a drunk Luke Bryan day drunk, too. Sunbeat, and all of them they're sweating.

And they're just like, check this one out. And I'm like giving a little input here and there. I buy about the fourth FaceTime. I was like, these cock suckers are writing a song on the golf course right now. For sure, over FaceTime with no guitars. Wow. Yeah.

That's crazy, man. I just have, yeah, I guess inspiration can just kind of roll up whenever, huh? Is it easy to just go into place and do inspiration like that and get inspiration like if you're sitting in a room with people or is that a lot easier to find a way to write a song or is it easier just if you're milling around with your boys?

It can come both ways for sure. I mean, in the right room, inspiration is going to be there. And just because you're out, you know, having fun and living doesn't mean that the inspiration is going to hit you in that moment. But I think, I think living breeds inspiration no matter where you're at. I'd like your perspective from a comedian because as a song writer, we're always writing songs.

Right, like, for other we know it or not subconsciously, you might say something here today that one of us will grab and hit the other one with in a text later. Like, yo, when Bubba said, do do do do, there's a song there,

though that in the notes, you know what I mean? It's like, is it like that for y'all as well? Like just in day to day life, you're just, there's always, there's, there's always, you're always kind of writing a joke, whether you know it or not. Yeah. I think like if you're on your buddy sometimes, you get them to laugh, you'll write that down, you know? Rodney Dangerfield was pretty famous. He would like, if he was on a shoot or something, he would, in his off moments, he would get a, get in a robe and just hang out like when he wasn't shooting,

like literally in a robe and slippers, I think because he felt real free in it, like his body felt free. And he would, he would just, right now, he was hanging out by people and if something was funny, he would write it down on a notepad and just keep it in his pocket. That's kind of like a famous story that I heard.

I find, if I'm like a bot, say like, the funniest times I ever am is if like, say if I was like hanging out with a girl, right, and she stayed over in the morning. And I think it's kind of the same thing if you drank all night and you wake up in the morning, you're laughing like with your spouse or something or with your spouse.

And you're kind of like having just that funny time right there. That's my fun. I think that's when I feel like. That's your golden hour of comedy. It really is. Yeah, because if it's a lady, you're trying to impress up this party that's always like limbically trying to impress a lady.

I don't know if it's limbic or whatever, but just like meta-terranean or whatever that meta-terranean part of your head is. And you're always just trying to impress a lady. So. Meteterranean part of your head. Whatever it is. It's only six extra seconds for that to hit me. You're always just trying to impress a lady. So Whatever you know But yeah, I think that's when I feel like I'm maybe my most engaging or whatever it is With because I think I'll as a a lot of comedies

They're just trying to get a girl to laugh real you don't have any way to impress a woman That's what you realize you're young So you're like I gotta make somebody laugh or one of these dudes is probably gonna fuck me. You know? So it's funny. Quick. I really, as a fat person, I always said that

you gotta be a little humorous and smell good. You can't be fat, stinky in an ass. Yeah. You can't be fat and asshole in. Pitch too. You know what I'm saying about it? I just gotta be fat. You know what I'm saying about that? I just gotta be fat. You know what I'm saying?

Like that's it. I got at least smelled decent when I can. And I better at least make somebody chuckle every now and then. Yes. Yes. So good. Dude, and I'll say to that too, not even just girl, but like an audience, like freestyle. And when we're freestyle and bro, like if it's a carful of people or a studio full

of people and energy is room, like that's when I'm gonna black out and be able to freestyle, you know, think and just basically be channeling something because I know that I can see in real time like what it's pulling out of people. Like what do you mean, oh, so like if you're doing it like you're just in front of like a group or something.

Yeah, like you can get a real read on site about whether this is cool or not, whereas like if it's just me by myself with music or me and one other guy who's so locked into his thing at the time, then you can get in your head and get in your own way. I feel like so. I know it sounds weird, but if I had a choice

to do it every time, I'd treat it like a party. And us three would be writing a song, but we'd have the homies over there chilling. You know what I'm saying? Like some of our buddies, because you can feel from that. Like you just the energy of a room, but yeah, it's always like,

it's also what you're getting into a room. Writing so fun because there's, I'm sure it's like this for y'all, but there's so many ways to do it. I've done it so many different ways. Now the most crazy way I've ever seen it done, not sure you don't mind me saying this. I had assessment of Wiz Khalifa the other night. Did you really? Listen man.

Wiz, I don't get mad at me. I don't know what I was supposed to tell this, but you fucking did it in front of me. So it's a fair game, I think. He recorded his verse and reverse. So I'm trying to figure out what's happening because because I know it's gonna be hard to even explain. And keep in mind, I've been smoking whiz for like four hours at this point. I'm cooked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what the fuck am I even doing?

I feel like I'm taking turns or something. I'm my skin's crawling. The room you can't see through it. And I can't have you. You're fucking like, yo, we have like own skin turns into a maze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, the fuck is happening.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't even call a cops, you need literally need I'm like, the fuck is happening. Yeah. You can't even call a cops. You need literally need to call like the, like, whoever. Poison control. Yeah. Yeah. Calling poison control for sure.

I already finished and I have a poison control store. Yeah. But he would take the last bar and go backwards. So like he would be like, and I'm already gone. And then he would go back. He would go back. He would go back'm already gone. And then he would go back a measure and loop the beat of measure into that and then figure out what the line going into that was.

It was the wildest shit I've ever seen. I'm not bullshit in there. And as he did four bars before I looked up and publicly said, loud, is he recording this backwards? Like I missed the whole, he done it for 15 minutes and that was a good one. He might be this lexic.

There's not only you. He's verse lexic. He just described dyslexia. We're all like, what are what he's doing? I'm like, look, and eight. That's funny. So you don't see a lot of black dyslexia either. Black dyslexia is, yeah.

Yeah, you don't see it every day. That's for sure. Okay, that's funny. That's great it's yeah, like yeah, you don't see it every day. Okay, that's funny That's great. That was about your poor is Take a ride and get some cubie bar You don't you don't see a lot of back down there the way sub right now, baby. I'll be home in a minute Black dyslexia No, dude, Dudes wrapping like Yoda

Yeah, that's awesome dude if aliens show they better show up with some fucking bars of the hoods Gonna be like fuck these Yes, yeah tough day to be a square alien Yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz a lot of bike people have issues with aliens anyway, bro A lot of my dudes have told me that Have you been hearing that a lot? Oh, I've heard a lot recently, but I heard I you know, I'm sure it hasn't changed from since when I heard it

Yeah, probably not if anything's probably gotten worse. Yeah, I don't think it was a meeting. I don't think it was a meeting. Oh my god. But uh, what was your story? Oh, poison control. Okay, poison control. This is drugs involved in this Oh, poison control. Okay. Poison control.

This is drugs involved in this? Not bad ones. Okay. Honestly, just caffeine. It's kind of insane. So before one of these shows, I think we were at marathon like two years ago. And marathon is a music venue. Marathon music venue.

Okay. I'll probably weigh 50 pounds more than I do right now. They're just keep that in mind for context. I was tired as hell. I wasn't drinking at the time, so I went to the gas station, got some caffeine pills, and it's like four pills in a thing. And I get back to the green room, I take the four pills, and then, and then read the package.

Oh, it was like, you're supposed to just take one of these. Oh, you know, you got four deals. That's a recommendation. Yeah, well, like, yeah. So I, I mean, this is like 10 minutes later, I finally read the package. I go back in the bathroom, make myself throw up and like one empty capsule came out in my puke

and I was like, oh boy, and I'm starting to get antsy and obviously anxious about the whole scenario. I don't have the coolest hard on earth. And then I call poison controls like no brainer. I must see what they got to say. I was like, hey, man, I took four of these caffeine pills. I feel pretty uncomfortable right now. I'm sweating. It kind of hurts. And he's like, oh, man, he's like, yeah, that's a lot of caffeine. He goes, but he was like, if you're in pretty good shape,

you should be all right. And I was like, all right, thank you. And I hung up and I was like, fuck, I'm not that good a shate. Now he's, he's fucking passive aggressively. You're in pretty good shape. I think you should be all right. And I'm like, what is pretty good shape? I'm definitely obese.

You're like an extension. Let me draw a picture of myself on text. I'm pretty energetic. Yeah're like an extension. Let me draw a picture of myself on Tense. Over to you. Yeah. Yeah. So ended up being totally uncomfortable and stayed up all night and sweat, but I survived.

Poison control. Dude, yeah, anytime you're just casually calling poison control, too, that's how far I gave we are. Yeah, I'm standing outside the venue kicking it. Somebody probably just assumed I'm talking to my mom or something. I'm over there. Am I gonna die here in a minute?

Your PC was good. I don't mean to be too know. And that's how I know you went to college because I'd. I'm over there one day. Am I gonna die here in a minute? Your PC was good. I don't mean to be too naughty. And that's how I know you went to college because I never even thought to call poison controlling at the moment. I didn't realize, I thought that's something you call when like you had rats at the house. Yeah, that's you would just throw two volumes and be like, I can't call.

Yeah, exactly. Well, this is it. We'll take a Zanax. Yeah. We'll do fucking this. We'll fight fire with fire. Yeah. Dude, me and my buddy went on a date. We were going to pick some girls up for a date one time.

And we had just taken these like no-dos pills, remember those? Those are the first like drugs for kids that came out like at a gas station. Was that like an over the counter and fetamine basically? Yeah, it was like no-dos. It said you could be a trucker, you know? That's what it said on it, right?

Yeah, fuck. I took a five hour energy drink one time in my life. that you could be a trucker, you know, that's what it said on it, right? Yeah, fuck, I don't know. That's just a mod of it. I took a five hour energy drink one time in my life. And you still been up? Yeah, he ain't slidin'. I took it, I got off a plane, this was 10 years ago in Vegas,

and I rented a car in Vegas to drive to LA because I was so broke, it was cheaper to fly into Vegas or rent a car from there than to fly into LA. So I took it, like I stopped one of them truck stops in the desert. Yeah, for sure. When I'm figuring it out. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. One of them, y'all, we've all done those. Yeah. Real estate is bigger in our bucks. Yeah. It's like I'll get there 11 hours later. And I'll be on somebody's shoulders. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I took it, dude. And I'm driving down the side of that, you know, that old desert. It's all desert from Vegas to LA. And man, it dude and I'm driving down the side of that you know that old desert. It's all desert from Vegas to LA And man it hit me dude and I took the most squalding shit on the side of the road It was the most brutal painful thing I've ever dealt with it I'll never take one again those things are watching a cop poison control

We can't help you What's up Poison Control? We just want to check in with you guys. Let you know we're doing good. Yeah, how are you doing? Yeah. Nobody's ever called and checked on y'all. Are y'all good over there?

You know, they have overdoses probably all the time. Oh, definitely. If you have to work at a call center dude in Indie, you're definitely using a lot of pills, probably to stay up. Oh, yeah. Indie and dudes, they got, well, they got a lot in their system though, man, a lot of Indian dudes.

We had a Indian dude, a lot of Indian, they have like a lot more spices, you know. Yeah, that's the best. Oh, they smell, a lot of Indian dudes, you'll smell, you know. If they was by the house, you'll know they was by the house, you know. Yeah, hell yeah. The dog will come right up on them, you know.

Do you hear that? No, but I smell that. I think the Indian's just got that. Because Indian people eat a lot of spicy food and just comes out there pours. You know, it's like being around an alcoholic, but it's like, yeah, a lot of Indian dudes, they're arteries, it's just like a halfway house

for like a spice rack. A lot of motherfuckers got that coriander in them. Yes, yeah, dude. Um, Steph Curry. Oh, dude, Steph Curry, what if he made a restaurant called Steph Curry? It would do well. I'm sure it would do well. They had 30 different things on the menu. Yeah. It's a great idea. You know what? You open it though, San Francisco. Steph's, Steph though San Francisco Steph's Curry Steph's Curry. I don't know that sounds like a

Curry's Steph Curry's Steph Curry sounds good Steph's Curry sounds like a Kind of a like a girls up. Yes, PD. Yeah Some like some like some like like almost like vaginal witchcraft. You know, vaginal witchcraft. Yes. You got to get a hit. It's that's very. Yeah. I'm good. Nicole. It sounds like a dude in prison that tries to pretend like his butt is a vagina. Oh, come get some of this steps. So about we so about being thrown out that that steps curry all afternoon. Oh, they serve them all steps curry. Oh,

at a and that but does see did you get high with us before we got it. Oh, I live by carousade. They're high people. I wish all that smoked in here. Oh, well, I can't smoke but I can do but I can but I can smell as you can second. I do. Second is. Yeah, you can smell it. Dude, I wanted to open up a shoe store by Joaquin Phoenix called these boots were made for Joaquin. Like, New York City. I was like,

one of those dumbest ideas. His only shoes that he could fit into is like, if you fit in these, we got the boot for you. He'd have to stop. If you're driving out of your house and you see the shot near you like fuck got to go These boots are made for walking I gotta stop. How was um How was the CMAs man you guys got to go do congratulations to man and did you yeah?

Congratulations Best new artist was in huh. Yes, sir. It was crazy man It was it was really interesting because I didn't think I had a chance to win it really yeah, man I mean first really you didn't think at all. I did not. Who went up against? I was up against Zach Bryan and Parker McCullum. Right.

And I felt like all pun intended to my boy, I felt like Parker had a hell of a year. And I feel like Zach Bryan is the second most streamed artist in country music right now behind Morgan. So it's like to me, it was a no brainer. And I'm such a Zach Bryan fan. So the fact that I got to sit next to him the whole night, like it's so funny.

We glad you were able to, too. Yeah. That was cool for me and him to get that moment because he was awesome. I mean, there was a moment where I literally felt like me and him were like tailgating and washing a concert outside of an arena. Yeah. You know, like he's over there drinking.

I'm ripping a weed pin. You know what I'm saying? He's cracking beers. Yeah. There's empty shot glasses. Yeah, man. There's empty shot glasses under my seat. He's got four, five half drinking drinks under his. Yeah.

He's bringing him drinks. And we're just there talking about the music all night. I just thought for sure he would win, you know. The last thing right before that announced the name was, I think I tapped him on his shoulders and said, say something nice about me or something funny. Oh, that's cool. And, I think I tapped him on his shoulder, and said, say something nice about me, or something funny, you know. Oh, that's cool. And then whenever I hugged him going up there,

I was like, man, you deserve this, you know what I mean? And then you looked at him like, don't worry, I'll say something nice. No, yeah. I'll say something nice, but I can do it now. Don't worry. But it was cool. I was really cool.

And you've had this a lot in your career, but I was blessed for the first time in my career to have a real viral moment. Like I thought I'd went viral before, but it was like just building to a real viral moment and for whatever reason. And I didn't touch my phone for like 36 hours after the war show,

because it was just such a big moment. I was just letting it sit, you know, and I didn't want to have my phone on me that night. And everybody kept telling me, man, you're going viral. And I was like, I'm like, oh, cool. I'm thinking like you're gonna check your poopies. So to see if your doctor's letting you know something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm more concerned with like, you know, fucking hell. I ain't a poop. Yeah. That's a, that's a, what is that? It's a poop, a little night boy. I wore a hoop this whole tour, believe it or not. It's like 50 pounds on tour, yeah. I'm parked in my sleep every night. I checked my show, my show was like a word. You haven't lived in well, dude. I'm telling you, hell yes. whoop this whole tour believe it or not. Did you really? Did you really? Did you really? Did you really? Did you really?

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You can't get over big. Yeah. So you just got to meet you. You just have to enjoy your big, but you can't fucking, you know, you came like I'm going to, you know, get just extra big because I can. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

I know what there's a point where it starts fucking yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me tell him. I had that reason. I was like, let me pull the reins back. I was like, dial this back to the surgery. Best new artery. Yeah. That's who must.

Here's best. Two surgery. Sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no. But so that was so well. And then they call, was it really like you were just shocked? I was really shocked.

I really didn't have a, I didn't have a plan walking up there. I was just walking up there like, man, I didn't, you know, I was, I was so wild and then they, was it really like you were just shocked? I was really shocked. I really didn't have a, I didn't have a plan walking up there. I was just walking up there like, man, I didn't, you know, I was getting more excited as I was getting up there. Yeah. A adrenaline's pumping. I'm in the fucking bridge, Stone Arena. I'm on national television, dude. I'm still a white trash kid for Maddie.

Like, all this is like what the fuck is going on? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not, I'm not jaded to this. I'm not used to this at this point. Yeah. In my career, I'm still like, this is wild. You know, and I'm saying? I'm not jaded to this. I'm not used to this at this point in my career. I'm still like, this is wild. You know, and I'm standing up there and I'm like, how many steps is it up there?

Like, how high is that? How is this thing? It's like a dude I didn't walk it, but I better just like 10 steps. I tell you, I didn't feel him. Why? I was on the cloud, Bubba. You know, at that moment, you're just like, man,

this is, you know. That would be the scariest. That's because then you know, once you get there, you have to turn around and say something, that would be what was so scary. Yeah. No, no, no, I was, you know, that would be the scariest. That's because then you know, once you get there, you have to turn around and say something, that would be what was so scary. Yeah. No, no, no, I was just more like murdered that speech. Yeah. I was just walking up there like thinking to my, I was, I don't know what I was thinking.

I was thinking like, I tell you when I started thinking, was when I looked up, and this is inside baseball, I like, I have the award, I raise it up, and I look straight up, and there's a teleprompter that's going, I'm not shitting and I look straight up and there's a teleprompter that's going, I'm not shitting you Theo, 59, 58, 57. And I think to myself, I got a lot to say in a little time to do it.

I didn't realize that I watched the speech afterwards and I actually said that out loud in that moment. I was like, I got a lot of things to say and I'm gonna say it really quick. But that was me thinking out loud because I remember thinking that. That's the first time I remember really thinking in that moment was like oh

Shit, this is real. Yeah, I've got 58 seconds for they're gonna start playing the music Oh, yeah, and they're gonna send a sandman from Apollo and pull me. Yeah, I was like I better make this count You know what I'm saying? I knew in that moment, too I was like I'm definitely not winning another award tonight All right now definitely think I was gonna win this one. Yeah. You know, yeah, I just fucking fired. Dude, it was the coolest thing. That's so cool.

You're on a rocket ship, bro. Dude, it was on, it was funny. I would think of any of all as new artists, though. It was in a weird way, but that doesn't matter. It's just a, it's like a accolade to do. It doesn't really matter what it is. It's like saying, hey man, people recognize you in this scene. That's exactly right.

For sure. It doesn't matter how long people have been winning that award that have been around for a while, but it is like, you're on the map, we recognize you, so you, at your time. And it is, though, I mean, I was giving you flowers out there, but it is true. I mean, everybody sees it that it's just the lights are turned on for you right now.

All the lights are on for you right now. And I'm so stoked because you do, and I've told you this before, you do such a good job with your podium that you're on and giving back to this city and the things that built you. And it's just, I love knowing you. As a fellow Nashvilleian, it's just, Nashville is very well represented. Thank you for sure. It means a lot to me coming from y'all especially, but you guys are really, you know,

some of the roots, I know there's a lot of guys around this area, you know, but you guys are people that, if I mention like to people, I'm like at the gym with or something, there's always somebody that knows one of you guys, you know, some of the guys that knew you weren't usually doing too well, I'll say that, but, uh, they're good guys, you know? Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. But, uh, they're good guys, you know?

Yeah, that's fine. Truth is, I'm like a methadone. I saw your father, let us go. Boy, if you came down with the fucking suboxin or a methadone, that would be jelly, jelly donut flavored suboxin. For sure.

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That's s h i p s t a t i o n dot com code Theo. Is it weird? Like because yeah, thinking about that kind of stuff, do you start to feel more like you have to be? Wait, did you get any songwriting words this year? I know you got oh, did you win any CMAs or no? No, no CMAs, okay. Sorry. I was just say I know you want to I know you want to tell no I went it was like a date night and I got to sit and cheer my friends on yeah Strong let me tell you what happened Every time Ernest walked by me at the CMAs, he was, I was bringing Zach a drink each time

I came back to. Well, who was the other three for Ernest? Me, me and Delaide. He would, he would look like a bartender. He would have two drinks in each hand. Well, they don't have somebody doing that for us. Parker McCullough was like, every time I sleep him one, he'd have him and his wife one. And every time he's just walking around.

It's for safety measures, because you don't know how long you're gonna have to sit. Like, it might be the last chance you ever get to get it. Waitin' for a commercial break like a drug addict. Really? I swear, bro, you're waiting for it like chow in prison. Yeah.

You're sittin' there and you're just waiting. I don't know if that's why. Chow, it's a new Chinese in me. Yeah. Like, who's gettin' this beauty? I don't know if that's why I was in college. I was in college. Yeah. Yeah. Who's getting this beauty? And you're just sitting there and they're like commercial break and you're just like, you just watch everybody stand up.

Yeah. And this just immediately starts shuffling. Really? Is it like, it's like when it's like recessed. It's like when the bell rings and you've got five minutes to get between classes. Yes. It's funny how I went to a jail reference before I thought it's cool. Fuck. Well, that's it. You went to, you went to jail. I went to college. That's the song again. Exactly the song.

That's so funny, man. I think, but back to the Nashville thing, Theo, I think that's what made it so beautiful that my first number one was written with Ernest. And keep in mind that we're already like, Ernest is on his seventh or eighth number one at that point in his career. And I'm calling him now, we're looking at a decade plus of real friendship. So I'm calling Ernest and I'm like saying it,

you know how I talk, I'm, people, y'all know, how y'all see me on here is how I am, my friends are testing. I'm a very straightforward like, hey, I need help. Can you, I call Ernest like, the first time I got on Theo and Brennan's podcast, I hit him like, yo, I really need this. It's a good look for me, they were like, hey, I need help. Can you, I call Ernest like the first time I got on Theo and Brennan's podcast, I hit him like, yo, I really need this.

It's a good look for me. They were like, come on. But the same thing with the boys. But I call Ernest. I'm like, Bubba, I'm treading new water here. Come over here and drop some of that salsa. Wow. You know what I was saying?

I was like, fuck with your boy, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like, it's just me and my dude. Me and my dude that wrote, save me. We're friends of 20 something years, right? Yeah, he's from a trailer park in East and Nashville. grew up piss poor.

Never, neither one of us dreamed of being songwriters. We just dreamed of not being drug dealers. Yeah. And so we're just in there piddling around and we're like, we don't really, we can't even read. Yeah, we're not, we're not qualified to try to write. No offense, they think, no, no, nothing. I'm like, exactly.

We're not a middleman. I'm like, we're not qualified to write to write. No offense, they don't know the count. I'm like, exactly. We're not a middleman. I'm like, we're not qualified to write a radio song by ourselves. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I only know one person. Are we gonna write this song? Can't even write it. There's only one hit writer in town that'll take my call. Let me call him.

Yeah. Yo, Errin, do me a favor, pull up. He's like, I got you. Are you there all week? I'm like, I'm here all week. And we've told the story, but he was going to get ribs and next door at the barbecue pit. He really just came in and said,

you're gonna be so earnest, dude. So it was. Ernest is that good. He's like, you know what? I got to pick up some ribs in about an hour, but I'm not gonna lie. He didn't lie there, we're smoking. He came in and he was like,

I got like 30 minutes to kill ourselves. That's exactly what happened. He wrote a piece of the song. He just like poured out an idea. I was like, love y'all. Let me know how it goes. I looked at our text thread after it went number one because the night I text Ernest at like four in the morning because I was a part of him. You sit back at demo. Yeah, a demo at four in the morning. I was like, we might actually, we might actually have something here. Yeah.

And then the next couple, like, so good when I left, like as we had the, song, song, song, up, and up. And like that shit was just tattooed in my brain from the second I left until till now. And then I had to double back with the favorite theo because then when we get the song done, I'm like, well fuck, we don't know to buy the producer radio song neither, right? So I can't earn it.

So I'm like, you got a producer. He's called him. Hey, I'm one for one on producing country songs and then going to the top baby That's your first producer? Yes the only thing I produced The best part was I had to gas him up the yo he was like a Rudy Rudy girl One play one set That's me

I had to gas him up bro I had to be like yo man you can do this he was like I've never done it I was like I definitely can't do it. If we have to pick right now, who's the most qualified to do it, it's fucking you, man, you gotta figure it out. He was like, all right, man, fuck, I'll figure it out. I was like, all right, cool. What?

Crazy. That is crazy hearing it out loud again though, because, you know, I've also had to bully him into it. The y'all's like, you got this. I felt in Poster Syndrome being around, you know, the producer all the time, but singing that song, it's in my set every night. I love it.

I have one of mine, and I say every night, I give a brief overcap of knowing him and then how special it is. That's all the time when people ask me what my favorite number one is, it's that one because of that reason, because it's homegrown, 100% homegrown.

Three Nashville dudes, three Nashville dudes that 10 years before you could have never told us we would be hit songwriter for any of us, you know what I mean? And we put real, real, real stuff in a song, vulnerable that country radio accepted. And like that's cool, like pills and addiction and just weird lingo that most country songs don't have. Well, nowadays that's your dog in your truck.

If you don't know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, if you have your dog in the dogs, there's a truck on blocks. Check it out. We're like, we're all moved on. We're moving on to Oby. Just be sure. The genre has evolved.

No man, I remember because I went to the opera and I saw you and performing and then you played that song. I was like, I just didn't know. I didn't know these things. That's where it was. That was when it was. And I was like, wow, because I just love listening to that song.

Yeah. You know what, you did me a solid theo, the holler, it's a big country themed YouTube, social media site, and they did it like one of them 30 second things with you and they said, what's a country song? You can listen to nonstop. And you said, some of us in our boss, Jelly Roll,

and you said, no, never mind, save me about Jelly Roll. Oh, nice. Thank you for that. I got both the title and the different one. Yeah, you threw me a big alley opening because that motherfucker, because you did it in a win-bay rule. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I love see, yeah. Who are you at, right now. Where you at with Laney on that? We're number two. We're number two. Yeah, we should be pushing next week. Save me. Should be in the next song on country radio. Whenever this comes by the time this comes out it should I should be able to say this in the. I'm a Jesse Murr. I'm a Jesse Murr fan too. I've been a Jesse Murr fan so it's I feel scary even saying it because it's like a young girl You know, but it's like you can be a fan. I am a I ain't all of her songs, dude Which is really alarming to say and I might even I don't want to hear this. I'm glad I'm not I can't hear that good If it makes you feel better

You if you were like me. I heard the voice before I seen her And nothing about her voice says she's a 19 year old girl right like her voice says she's a 19 year old girl. Right. Like her voice says she's a 37 year old woman that's been through a lifetime of pain and anger. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you hear just the voice because I just heard the music. And then I found out who it was. And then I was like, oh, this is dope,

but she's you'd love her man. She's like a little sister man. She's like, I got to meet up with her one night. Her and this guy, Shay, no. He's like a light skin dude. He writes music. Shy? Shy, shy, shy.

Yeah, sorry, sorry, yeah, yeah, shy Carter. Yeah, dude, it was awesome. I got to meet up with them and Los Angeles and just, I was a huge fan of hers. And then her manager, I think, Ben knew about it. And he's like, oh, Jesse's in town, if you want to stop by and get to say, hey, until I get to stop by and meet them.

And, and this, and like she played some of her new music and stuff. It's so good, man. Yeah. She don't miss it. Maybe while you're at it. Yeah. I don't know if you're wrapped that's. I need to tap in.

I just don't know. But bro, once you get on it, though, dude. Yeah. Her TikTok shit is so violent. Like, once you get on it, it's like, you're all, it's like, it'll be weird cause you'll just be like at the CV ass or something. And you're just standing there by yourself and you can see Murphy's kids start looking at you.

Like this guy's a pervert. Yeah, this guy, I don't know. Yeah, like, but he's a pervert that listens to good music. Is it good to need a pervert? True, good taste. Absolutely. That was the funny part. When they sent me wild ones, I was like,

somebody suggested like you should do a verse on wild ones and I was like, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna sing about my wife though, like I'm not getting on any song with a young woman and not talk about the most important woman in my life. They were like cool, and I was like, whatever, as long as the label don't trip on my verse. Cause I sent a verse in just like, not think,

I thought they were rejected cause I'm talking like shit a little bit right? You know what I was saying? I was like, yeah, they're not gonna let me fly it and they were like, this is it. I was like, fucking, let's go. So far. Yeah, it was so good. Donnie is my hot, what's that like?

Bunny's my holly queen. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? The control wasn't getting back to getting to the freedom of having a getting a rap verse and all. Oh, dude, it's like, it feels so, I've been in a situation lately where I've got to go write a bunch of stuff by myself or like in two ways again, like save me or, you know what I mean? Like that style and it's been, oh, ball.

Which we should do. I've pulled up to a lot of places and just been thrown into like a feature category again when they're just like, well, just writing something for this and I'm just like, hell yeah, good stuff. It's normally like we write in like two or threes because it's easier to bounce ideas off each other that way. And but like when you go do a feature for somebody

especially in the hip hop world, they just, you just gotta beat and you're just like writing something and you're like, by yourself again, it's the coolest, most dangerous thing ever because you go back to what you think's cool. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, I don't give a fuck with nobody thinks, I'm winging out about this.

I think this is sick. I mean, I'm on my kitchen table. I'm winging out about this. I think this is sick. I mean, I'm on my kitchen table. I still write the kitchen table. Like, yeah, I was a kid. I got my headphones on, my wife's out there, and then finally I'll be like, come check this out. You're pinned to pads too, right? Yeah, I'm still pinned.

Yeah, I'm still old school. I love that. Well, cuz fuck, I also don't know how to play the music and go to my notes at the same time on my phone. My hand don't work fast enough. Like, when I try writing A, it's either illegible because is that how you pronounce that? Yeah, or something.

Eligible? Yeah. My handwriting's so bad because I'm trying to write so fast because my thoughts and like I'm afraid I'll forget it by the time I get done. I've never seen you write anyways though. You've never seen you be the scribe in the room. Nobody believes you write anything.

People just believe you to show up. Yeah, literally. I've never written a song in the background. Nobody believes you write anything. People just believe you to show up. Yeah, literally. I've never written a song on the back of the hip. All that if you do. No one time you've been the guy with the laptop type in the fucking lyrics, Ernest. Never the guy with the laptop, but sometimes I do write complete ideas in my notes

on my phone and then bring it with and put a guitar to it. But often it is just like music. Somebody get a voice note going. Yeah. Blah. Somebody typed that out. Yeah, yeah, I need to describe. What's that line I remember seeing you get so excited about?

It's like a map dot. Oh, oh, Hardy said that, ain't that a map dot shame? He's in more than my hometown. Ain't that a map dot shame? And I think that. I mean, I added nothing to that song that night, other than the room we wrote it in.

And then when he said that, I about ran through a glass wall. I remember he said so fired up. He's so excited you were about that lyric. I don't know. I mean, it caught me off guard. Ain't that a map dot. Ain't that a map dot shame. Ain't that a map dot shame?

Yeah, so good. That's such a cool way. and I like that's that lyric All I got I took some pills she took the dogs all it's all gone Yeah, that's a hell of a woman she's gone to a month God did I took up drinking since she took the time to tell me I took the best years of your life. God sad. It is sad man. It always make me happy. Yeah.

I'm wondering if if people relate more now to sads, do you think the overall that music sadder or different than it was when we were like growing up and you and I are probably more closer to AIDS and Ernest, but like I just wonder sometimes, you know, I think so. I think is a more sadder music than think so. I think there's more real. I'll say more vulnerability. Okay, there you go. It was so curated.

So music used to be curated. There was, it was the labels were in the power and they would curate songwriters. They would pick the songs. They would make the artist record the songs. It was a big deal when artists got to start picking their own songs in this town. There was a time where like, Lay was like, this is your song. I called it, I get in trouble every time I do this by the way. I called it the Builder Bear System, right? Like Nashville's like Builder Bear. Like they would find a bear. They would put cowboy hat on bear, cowboy boots on bear. They would give bear a song, give bear a guitar, make bear have a band of bears behind

bear, put bear on tour, put bear on radio. And it was completely like these dudes were like fucking robots, they were muppets, right? You know what I mean? For the system and the power. And what we've seen in light of the internet, and I always compare stuff to like other things for connectivity and comedy we've seen it as well, right? And podcasting and the ability to y'all to go direct to consumer, right? Like the idea that a guy like Zach Bryan can be writing songs in the military and sets

up his phone and just sweating, just singing his ass off and can connect with people with no in between, right. And that's why sometimes the establishment don't like him because they had absolutely nothing to do with his success. But we've gotten to a place where like we're back this the last time this really happened and somebody's gonna argue with me but fuck them was in the 60s and the 70s the singer songwriter movement yeah right where you would see guys that were like writing their own songs and singing their own songs, Willie Nelson, Whalen, Dylan, James Taylor, the outlaws.

But I mean, it went over like, I was playing, you know, Jackson Free, have you wrote with him yet? Oh, yeah. I love that kid. I think he's gonna be, he's 23. Yeah, in the next 10, 15 years, remember we said this name, Phil, this kid's gonna have 30, 40 number one. Jackson Free, Jackson Free, he's 23. Yeah. In the next 10, 15 years, remember we said this name, Phil, this kid's gonna have 30, 40 number one.

Jackson free. Jackson free. Spells it with an X. But he didn't realize how deep Dylan's catalog was. Cause like, if you're like, I don't know, do you ever get into Dylan, Bob Dylan? Bob Dylan. Yeah, no.

So then was it the nasal thing that threw you off? I don't remember, I just don't know if I, I just don't remember him that good. But it's like you've heard some of his songs without knowing. Oh, what is that, him? Oh, that sounds like Tom Petty. Yeah, for sure.

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These guys were like writing their own songs and singing them, and then we went through the 20, 30 year curated space. And now it's like, there's a lot of guys that are singing their own stories again. And that's why I think the connectivity's different. And I think the vulnerability shows because it's just me and being honest in their music.

So it might seem a little sadder, but I think it's just more more authentic. Yeah, that's a great answer. Yeah, I agree with that for Jesus Christ. That's a good answer. Thank you, bro. Same to the music too, more like not even just the lyrics. Like, I don't know, pop was so synthesized.

It feels like a synthetic would be the word. But like, now real instruments and like, not being so on the grid, when I say on the grid, like a pro-tool session literally locked in on the grid, guys like Zach, plan how it feels more so than just everything's gotta be perfect. And like, that just opens up a yard for people that are willing to do it, you know, kind of break the mold and go play in that yard. And that's like, yeah, sad songs are going to happen in there. I love steel guitar. Steel guitar is all over my record.

And there's not a sadder sounding instrument than steel guitar. So I consciously write a lot of times to cater to steel guitar. Like what I'll you know I think that's to give you your flowers though Outside of the genius you are as a songwriter as the artist earnest That's what makes you special about us like you focus not only on the top line in the lyric There's a sound that you want you're bringing like your years ahead of your time with bringing that sound back around Just like hearty was years ahead of his time with bringing in the really rock heavy metal country. It's like guys like that is when you think about the guys who really went on to win, it's because their sound was so different as well. Not just the shit they were singing about. Like that, like when I see an earnest show, it's like nostalgic. It's like this, but with new concepts

written over the top of this super old nostalgic sound. You know what I mean? It's just really sick to me. And it's the same thing I hear when I hear a hearty like, listen, I bang truck bed like me and bunny are beefing. And me and her, we don't argue at all. It's my best friend. You know what I mean?

I love my wife. We don't have any problems. But I still wake up and bang truck bed like I'm fucking ready to get divorced. And what I'm saying, like that song just fucks in every way and it's because it breaks every rule in Nashville Oh, yeah, not just Nashville, but every rule and like he said there's a system in music the oh, it's like Okay, and he knows the number system better than me. He'll explain this like Here's like so far. Yeah, it's like so though. Okay. I did here's the one

I got to go to the four because that's what supposed to happen Yeah, I'm like can't you go to the five here's the one I gotta go to the four because that's what's supposed to happen next. I was like can't you go to the five? It's like nope gotta go to the four. Yeah so it's like fuck you go on to the five. You know what I'm saying? It's like you know. Well yeah, I think there's an overall system in the world like that.

That kind of like, you know, the powers it be kind of feel like they've got everything done in an algorithm. But I think it's again proof that that originality and that there's something inside of us that wants to be original, not just individually, but even as a species where it's like we don't confine everything into that space. You can't lock us into an algorithm as humans. You know, like we're going to find a way out of it.

You know, and I think that's one thing that's great about a lot of the music right now. Like you say, like, even some of the artists when you're saying who is even up for best new artists, I don't even know if I would say, have those people are country music. You know, I wouldn't put them just as a country music. You know, like, it's good. That's a great term. Yeah, yeah. But it's like, Zach Bryant, to me, it's like, he's a, some people could say he's their

Bob Dylan, you know, Like, yeah, yeah. Genres are totally scared right now. He got like Jesse Murphys, she's in seven genres. Yeah, for sure. You know, it's like, Jellory, it's like most people, if you just said 10 years, yeah, is he a country, it's like he's a country motherfucker, you know?

Yeah. And it's like, you know, like he definitely. All things are true for him. And when he's rapping, when he's singing country songs or rock songs songs the story never Story the story is the same. It's just a matter of what furniture you're dressing a room. And the story need a puppet earners Yeah, I got barbed out to clip that for a What you say again? I was saying the story stays the same no matter the genre the furniture changes in which you

Damn, bro, that's fucking hard. I needed that, thank you, brother. I needed that. But I'm country, I want out, first of all, I love country music, like as a fan. Like I'm obsessed with country music, have been my whole life. And because being from this town,

I was always fascinated with the people. When I was a kid, there was no other job in this town. Like you were either, you know, like a layman or bartender or a token country music somehow, right? Yeah, I you were either, you know, like a Clayman or bartender or a Tuck and Country music somehow, right? Yeah, 100%. It's like, you know, and my mother was a bartender, so she took like great pride in like this, like the country music scene being in this town and coming to the bars and like it was like, I remember CMA week we come, fanfare is what they called it back then.

And it would be like an economic shift. Like our families would plan CMA week we come, fanfares, what they call it back then. And it would be like an economic shift. Like our families would plan vacations around it. Like all right, we can't go to July because fanfares and June, we're gonna have the money then. They put back Christmas money because it was such, this time we had 300,000 people in it then. So you gotta think, we're bringing an extra 50,000 people

to town for fanfares. It was like a six of our population. A fifth of our population was just showing up. It's been money in one week. The bartenders sell them. They called it hell week. They were like, this is going to suck. But we're all going to get back for all. We're eating steak on Friday, baby. Yeah. I'm saying we're going to afford that divorce next Monday. That's got to be the worst. You can't get it worse because you can't afford it. It's like I'm gonna afford that divorce next Monday. That's gotta be the worst. You can't get a divorce because you can't afford it. It's like, I'm just waking up every day. Like I would leave you a five-inch.

I could get a five-inch. Five-inch, $640 I'd leave you. I have to foul right now. In this year for every time I've heard you say it, I'd leave you. I'm surprised I haven't seen more GoFundMe's about divorce. Like just looking for $1,000 to find.

That's hilarious. That'd be a great reality. Great for marketplace. Yeah. They want three grand to get a new workplace. That's so, dude. The crazy thing about touring is you still, you're like, you meet people like, I work from Dippin' Dot Alabama and you're like, where meet people like, oh, we're from Dip and Dot Alabama. And you're like, where the fuck is that?

I want from a mixed breed Arkansas. Like, what? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that video about the most racist town of America being an Arkansas and the guy from, I can't remember, I shouldn't, I'm too high to talk about this. Might have been Erica Andre, maybe who went to?

No, no, no, it's a, it's a famous YouTube. I follow his channel. I'm just fucking can't remember his name right now. But dude went into him and he's trying to interview the guy. Yeah, he was, did you get Mark? Mark, yeah, maybe. No, it wasn't. It wasn't him.

I can't remember dude's name, but I can't remember his name. He's got, he's got dreads and he all, he went to like Alaska. He always goes to weird places, but it was fucking. Super cool, dude. Super cool. He went to the war of like a Trump shirt or something. Yeah.

And he went to the most racist town. You would feel you would piss yourself. I know your people are actually, when you were trying to be cream. For the most part, people were trying to be pretty nice and like, be like, hey, do you know, kind of, do you know where you're at? You know, he'd be knocking on the door something and you know, an older white couple would come out

and be like, oh, hey, like, you shouldn't, you probably shouldn't be in this town. Like, just like a fair warning, not like we're gonna do anything, but I can't speak for my neighbors. They're like, oh, you shouldn't be out after dark. I mean, you shouldn't be out dark. Yeah, either both. Yeah, but you're telling the like a champ and he was obviously new, he was going into the fire, but it's like it's good content. Yeah. He's got, he talked to one old toothless man, boy, and I cracked, I pissed myself. It's good content. Yeah. He talked to one old toothless man, boy, and I pissed myself, it was so funny.

One of my favorite videos I've ever seen in my life. I think you should have, if you want to be racist, I think you should at least have to have all your teeth, I feel like, otherwise, you're not even taking care of your end of the, you know, it's like, you should at least have to fix yourself up in race. Yeah, sure, yeah, who are you? There should be a criteria.

There should be a criteria for race. For a guy who doesn't like blacks, you have a black space in your smile. What? Which is really interesting that you'd let a nice white tooth expire. OK. Kind of hypocritical touch.

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For tropes. Something like that. But I think those are even evolving. It's like what a man is, you know, it's like now a guy sitting on horseback but he's playing in tend to switch, you know. The furniture's changed. The furniture's changed. But it is cool. It like I was saying about there being a fresh yard to play in as a writer.

It is way more freeing to write songs now than it was when I first started writing songs. And I think part of that is with some success comes more freedom to get to do it. But like, yeah, like, you know, the options of guys that will cut songs now are different. Like, you know, you got, he's willing to say way more shit than so and so is willing to say or like, you know, if post is coming, wants to make country songs like, there's an option for like, you really got some more freedom to say stuff that, you know, so and so over here would never say or never even be able to say that has a little more swag or a little more sauce on it.

And that for guys like me, I love that because then I really get to exercise the fun muscle in my brain. That's true. An artist starts to like collab and stuff. That's like anything could kind of be happy. It could kind of happen. And then you still have guys like John Party that's kind of like, fun tree, you know, like, yeah.

And right for a guy like that is so much fun too. Cause then you get to step into like a honky talk world. And you know, you know, oh, this sounds like a party thing. It's so that's the greatest compliment you can play it, pay an artist in life. When you're thinking of something and you're thinking of a song in your head and you're like, man, that's a, that's a more of a party record. Like, that shows how much of a brand he's built with this,

this like, spiss, how do you say spiss, spiss, spiss, spiss, spiss, don't hurt yourself. Sorry, I'm blowing it like specific, specific, don't hurt yourself. Sorry, I'm blowing it. Like specific. Yeah, like he's so specific and what happened.

Why didn't take me that long to get it? Dude, just, I, you, the, but I need some art can over here. Yeah. Only if he had telling me that some art can't get a word out of him. Yeah. Dude, we're getting crazy. Imagine if, and this, this is several, you're just trying to get a word out, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Extra-curriculum. Extra-curriculum. Extra-curriculum. Extra-curriculum. Yeah, so wide awake. Anyways. Anyways. But he's so specific. It's like, I think about it, when we were kids, we would go on a, what was it called?

It was a sound click. Sound file. It's not all the beats. Oh. Sound click, I think. I don't know. What was it? So there was a website called soundclick.com.

To guess. And it would have beats. And it would be like producers would make these beats and they would lease them to you. But they would title the beats like, and this, I dreamed of the day this would happen for me. Drake type beat. Yes. Yes.

Eminem type beat. And it was like, that spoke so, it goes back to the sound. We were talking about earlier in the podcast. It's like great artist build sounds, not just great songs as well. They build great sounds behind them. So like the greatest dreams, oh that's a John Party sounding song. That's a kid rock sounding song.

That's a jelly roll sounding song. That's like, that is the greatest compliment because there's a lot of artists in music on pop and country that's like there's four artists that could cut the same song because their sound is just that sound. You know what I mean? It's just a big, it's a big like, yeah, it's just kind of like down the middle sound. It's gonna work. People are gonna like it. Yeah, people are gonna like it, but it's not polarizing. There's artists, you know what I'm talking about, and then you have the other artists, it's like, oh, that sounds like Jay Cole should be rapping on that. Yeah.

That sounds like Jelly Roll would be singing a song like that. Like, that's what you go for as an art. And any young artist watching this, that's what I challenge you to do. I challenge you to write a thousand songs, and I challenge you to make production around it in a way that it's your thing. Yeah.

So what he's saying is you're gonna need to go to prison. Yeah. Or college. You're gonna do a stand. You're gonna go to college? Yeah, you don't wanna go to college just for long enough to drop out of. Or prison.

Yeah, because although I was nobody will buy you music, at least if you're not a college, if you're not a drop out, you gotta have a story with. Yeah, you can't be singing about pills and dogs and have a degree in business. You're like, pick your life. Pick your life. Yeah, and also dude shout out the producers,

like Joey specifically, Joey Moy, just one producer of the year. I mean, he's been, he's the goat. He's been crushing. Let me see if it's probably can we bring a picture of him up? Yeah. Alex. So Joey is our producer, me Morgan and Hardy. And he's a, he met him before.

Yeah, you've met Joey. So he's like, he's a way, my, not dude. Why he took that picture? But he's the goat goat though. He has done such a good job of, for years, even since Nickelback, he's been able to build several different brands within the same genre

and make each of them unique. Like how different me, Morgan and Hardy are within the same exact format is all to Florida Georgia line. Yeah, Florida Georgia line. Yeah, Florida, Florida, like the Tyler, I've really, he's a sick stuff.

Yeah, Tyler's awesome. Joey built all of this. And I mean, I'll give Hardy credit too. And he's very hands on on his sound and what he wants to sound like. They're very, what's the word, collaborative Hardy and Joey are. But yeah, yeah, Kudos 10.

That's a, you know, time to be able to have those, you know, that ability to, to be able to organize, not only like put something together, but then find different places for things that are really great that can be close to each other and stuff. It's, yeah, it's insane. Is it true that the Nickelback record there, what the hell is on Joey's head? That's Joey. That's Joey. So yeah, they think he had like a fake Stanley Cup on his head in this photo.

And they're like stoned. And I think Joey's on the cover of high times or something like that with Chad at one point. But yeah, that, yeah, look at this photograph every time we have, and what the hell is on Joey's head? Oh, that was it. Joey Moore.

So, but think about this while we're giving him his flowers, is, Joey, think about this, Joey did Nickelback in the, like, creative the sound that made Nickelback the icons they are. Yeah. Then went on to do it with Florida, Georgia line, Hardy, Ernest, and then Morgan. Yeah. So it's like his spectrum of decades worth of just reinvigorating. That's a genius, dude.

It's an out of him. It's an out of him. Inventing artist sounds. He's reinventing himself. Like, there's something different happening with that dude, man. You know what I mean? To be able to change, yeah, I can't,

it's hard enough for somebody to do something well once. Yeah, for sure. To produce a song like animals, or something in your mouth by Nickelback, and then also have like seven summers. Yeah, and how different they are. I think about last night, like just the exact same thing.

Like the little liquor. Shout out Charlie Handsome too. Yeah, yeah, Charlie Handsome. I didn't know that, that guy. That guy, he's a Charlie. He's so fucking good. I gotta have, I gotta, I gotta have a talk with Charlie.

Charlie's a cool cat. Yeah, what are you gonna tell him, man? Let's get it out. There's so much I love him. Okay, damn, there's so much I love him. I thought it was gonna be about his use or something. Man, I love, I, no. Dude, I was like, no.

Hey, hey, hey. He's just where we're going. I was like, when I met Charlie, it was 2018. We were at the Universal Studios, the recording studios, not the Disney World. And he's a songwriter, just to people. And Charlie Handsome. Producer, songwriter.

He started up and truly one of the greatest. Yeah, truly. He started out like a hip hop producer, but like he's one of the greatest musicians. He plays all instruments. He kind of was the first producer to do that acoustic trap stuff, like the early on post-molone stuff, go flex, stuff like that. That's his gut string guitar and he, oh, he does all these crazy vocal effects.

So anyways, I met Charlie in 2018 when I was like, kind of wrapping. That's one guy is Charlie. Yeah, well the guy that left, yeah, that's Charlie. Those are handsome Charlie, too. Yeah, for sure. I fuck with that dude with four cigarettes in his mouth though. Yeah, well the guy on the left, yeah that's Charlie. Those are handsome Charlie. Yeah, for sure. I fuck with that dude before cigarettes in his mouth though. But that dude is fucking hot.

Yeah, I don't know, shut up, that guy too. Yeah, that's Charlie. Charlie's a man. And so we met doing some rap stuff and we talked that day about he was like, yo, I gotta come to Nashville. He's like, I wanna get into country. And I was at that time, had a foot in both doors and I was kinda ready to go the country route.

Foot and what door, rapping in country? Yeah, like that's why I was out in LA just like making rap beats and doing hoax and stuff. Are you really? Yeah, I know that. I was just making the rounds out there and then coming back here and doing country. And like, I already was boys with Morgan for a couple years

at that time and Sam Haunt and FGL. So like, Charlie came into town and we started doing tag team and all these sessions together. And that's when like, if I know me for Morgan came heartless for Morgan, more than my hometown with them. Like it all started happening. And my first number one ever was a song called I Love My Country with floor George Align, me and Charlie did.

And we just we kind of set there and accidentally manifested the whole thing. Is what we talked about that day. It was like, I feel like we could go really organically blend these two sounds in Nashville. And it's happened. I mean, putting, it's not like we're the first ever play 808's with a country song, because Joey was doing it with crews back when FGL

was doing it, but I think I think it's happened I gotta give my boys flowers to Zach Crowl did it or break up and break up in a small time He might have been the first to do it probably so yeah, but so the way it's evolved organically though to where it's like It doesn't sound like such a mess. It just sounds like one brand and then it's the voice that's Pulling it home when it's probably getting into people people systems too after it gets in their system a little bit They're kind of used to hearing it without even a frog and warm water Charlie Charlie's Charlie's really one of those special ones Shout out to Harness

Yeah, Ernest is Ernest is funny how Ernest always finds himself You know, and he's so humble about his I killed this guy in this guy in this guy It's like you always be in the room too, motherfucker I know you know, you're's so humble about it. He's like, yo, this guy and this guy and this guy. I was like, you always be in the room too, motherfucker. I know you. I'm in it with you. You're fucking, he's not special. I sneak into a locker room. Yeah.

Ernest is I always love Ernest that he's always makes me laugh. He's one of the funniest guys to be around. Fucking hilarious. On. He's my favorite FaceTime. Yeah. If I look down at my phone, it's a FaceTime, but it's Ernest is like, I don't, every time you're like,

I don't know what this is, but it's gonna be fucking awesome. You know what I'm just saying? It could be a hit song idea. It could be a hit song idea. He could be up fucking party on his bus at 4 in the morning. He could just have a bit call with a joke. Like, yo, check this out. Just fucking like, it's like, just like.

I know if co-wetsles on with him on the same FaceTime, I'm gonna need to call my sponsor. It's getting even better. Yeah, I'm gonna need to call my sponsor. It's getting even better. Yeah, I'm gonna merge calls with my sponsor. The idea of co-wetzel makes my liver and nose hurt. He's hearing his name. I just got PTSD. I gotta get co-on here, man.

Co-mock goodness. He's a fucking dude. He's a, a people, everybody loves him so much. I'm probably doing afternoon, one with him. He's not awake. Unless he's awake, he's hunting right now. Yeah He's yeah, I just seen a picture of Gary Darryl person him and his dad have been out killing shit

He's an after yeah, he can only I love co man. He's such a good dude. He's one of these. He's a his whole crew is cool Yeah, he's also man shout out Dre Dre is the dude. Yeah, Dre roca. Yeah, fucking the dude But I tell you something else about Kurt, I think it's overlooked because he's so fun and the party and just who he is. It's just also, man, he's incredible, dude. Like if you see him with just a guitar, I mean, I've seen him blowed out of his mind,

pick up a guitar and just kill. It's like so second nature to what he does. He's so ingrained in the music side of it. You know, like we were in a right in room one day and he was trying to, he was like, and all of a here, he's like just hand it to. We brand new Gilbert's like that too. And brand new, I thought a guitar on it, just man.

I mean, I always, you're a great guitar player. You know what I mean? It's like, you notice the ones that are like different. You're like, and I think maybe co-cought me off-gar, because I didn't expect it. Yeah. Because we'd partied all night the night before, like all. You're like, and I think maybe co-cought me off-garg, because I didn't expect it. Yeah. Because we'd partied all night the night before, like all night to like nine in the morning or something.

It was like fucking got dark. It was fucking deep, and I was just like, we got to the studio like four of the next afternoon, we're both like shaking. We're both in really bad shape, even there. And it's like, and I'm watching this dude, just pour a song out of him. I'm like, this is crazy. Yeah. I brought no value. I had to leave. I was like, yo and I'm watching this dude just pour a song out of him. I'm like, this is crazy.

Yeah. I brought no value. I had to leave. I was like, yo, I'm out. That's me, dude. I feel so bad. I'm gonna have sex on cocaine. That's me, but I'm gonna bring nothing to the table.

Yeah, I can't even bring the table. Yeah, I can't even bring this up the stairs. I already sold the table. You were talking about somebody like Joey getting to live, there a few people get to do it once. And we were talking about Tyler Hubbard for a second. Yeah, Tyler, I'll tell you a great story about Tyler. So I went to, I don't know, this actually

isn't a great story, but it is a story. And I just realized he wasn't that great. Yeah, okay. But we went to see, we saw Hardy and Morgan and Ernest at Family Park, right? And it was beautiful, like beautiful day. Great set, way it plays to see a show, because you're inside Family Park where you've seen baseball,

but you've never seen a show in there. And like Hardy's up there with the American flag and like Ernest's kid runs out on a stage with him. Oh, ramen. Yeah, Twinkle Twinkle. Second, yeah. Second he heard a song that he was like, I'm out of here. He really came and got me, he was like, dude, this guy's fucking bum, right? He's just dead. Yeah, ramen. Yeah. Winkle twinkle. Second, yeah. Second, he heard a song that he's like, I'm out of here.

He really came, he's like, dude, this guy's fucking bonk, right? He's just dead. I was like, dude, that's your father. We have to let him. We have to let him. I need to cigarette. He'll be there.

Yeah, I think you really like the music you just wanted to some nicotine. Yeah. But anyway, afterwards, I'm leaving and I'm like, shit, I stayed a little too late to be able to beat. We had to just walk back to my hotel. And it was away, there's probably a half a mile. So I'm like, so I get out there and I'm kind of

start to argue with this cab driver a little bit. We don't need the one to speak the other guy's language, right? So we're trying to figure out how far I need to go and Tyler pulls right up, dude, with his family. Oh, and Craig. And Ashley is like, wanna get in? Yes, dude. And I was like, thank you, man.

Craigs, bro. Craigs. Craigs. I think he's gonna be one of the few that get to live his dream twice. Wow. It looks like it. With the songs he's putting out,

he's a sweet guy. Yeah, the hits he's getting on country right now. It's all good to me. Yeah, it's been great. And I think I told him that one night, I was like, man, very few men in life get to live their dream once. And I think you're fixing to get to do it twice. Technically three times. Because then you and B. K. I'll get back together later and go to the future. You'd blow out. You'd think it would be fucking big again. Yeah, what'll happen with them? Yeah. Can that happen that Florida, Georgia line could get back together, you think?

I don't, you know, he knows a better than me. I just met BK the other day who I'm, who I think the sweetest chess pie. They have both always been so good to me. Like I said, bro, when I was, when I was still snow, they had me come, it was your rapper name. Yeah, I was just like in nickname,

it was just that era. I marked that era as like 2014, 2015, 2011 through 2014 was just that era. I marked that era as like 2014, 2011 through 2014 was the snow days. And those were like, Brian and Tyler had, I had no business being in a room writing songs with them. And they'd, and big loud.

And then took a way early chance on me, years before I needed it. Well, that's another, another nod to like people changing genres and thinking of something different. Because who would think I'm going to get a white rapper? You know, or who would think, you know, a lot of guys probably weren't thinking, and I'm going to get this a rapper in here to try with me, you know. Right.

Yeah, it's cool. I mean, and then, you know, having the rapper mentality and then having also signed a country riding publishing deal kind of forced my hand to just start doing a weird hybrid where I was like, I was really rapping, like I would be like doing 16 bar versus like a rap wood, but I was adding melodies and doing it over acoustic and stuff like that. And then, you know, that was just, like I said, putting a frog in warm water. I was the frog and warm water as far as finally fully committing the branding craft to like country songwriting. And like I think I would shine away from it for so long because I thought you had to be redneck to be country.

And I'm not the most redneck. I've done redneck shit with my friends. I got redneck friends for sure. But I'm country and it took me a while to even realize that because I didn't grow up on a farm. We moved to 13 acres my senior year, which was not because of poverty. You know, it's like I had a pretty decent, so I like shot away from the country things

that I don't wanna be fake, but. But some of my favorite songs ever written and got nothing to do with big trucks and muds, it's like love or heartbreak and pain. And it's like, oh, being a country artist can just be telling your story and the music is my favorite music anyway. So like, once I wrap my head around that and wasn't ashamed to be country

and realized I am country, then I was like, yeah, let's go. I'm not a rat and a cat. Well, dude, I'll never forget the first time my mama played a looking for trouble and I found a son right down the bearer of a low man guy. Ain't living long like this.

Ain't living long like this on my baby. And I was like, yo, this is fucking that too. You singing that too? Who sang that? That's how that. That's how that. That's how that. That's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how

that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how

that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that's how that was to me, Willie Nelson's blue eyes crying in the rain. He's like classic rapper. Angel flying too close to the ground. Yeah, man. And Lucas doing it at the birthday party was insane too. Oh, that's one of my favorite songs.

Just, the whole catalog of Willie was, Willie inspired me to understand that the person out, the pain, like I used to think because I was like a bubbly big dude that I couldn't sing sad songs, but all I wrote was sad songs. You know what I mean? And then you look at guys like Willie, the braids, the guitar, the headband, and then he goes, he's famous stoner,

like who Willie is outside of the music. And then he would get on stage and sing the saddest song ever. You know what I mean? That inspired me so, so much. But just high enough to come back around. I think they'll get back together. Florida George's line, I think their impact was too big. I don't know if it's in the next five years or 10, but it's just like I'm still holding on to hope. I just listened to Andre 3000 flute album. Yeah, oh man. I was just high enough to really dig it to be honest. But I was thinking to myself, there's no way, even if we don't see an outcast album ever

again, that there's not going to be a day where something's going to come along that we're going to see outcast on a stage. Yeah, so that would be so. Well, the thing, unless you plan to find. Yeah, you want to have a tour? Yeah, I just don't think, I think their cultural impact was too big. Oh, dirt is a song, I'll play a lot of times, right? Yeah, for sure.

Dirt confession, anything goes. Yeah, I'll say, Chris Tompkins demo of anything goes, it's just him and a keyboard. Really, I'll show you, I'll show you all y'all one day. I'm trying to think of, what else is something I was gonna think about asking you, boys. Let me show this new hat I got. You like this hat I got?

You have to tell me what's the pattern. Lane, it's a, this Lane Frost. He is a, his daddy was a, were you bringing him up, DMI? If you get a chance, Alex. Lane, I gotta make a phone call really quick. No sweat, I'll talk to Jelly.

I love that Ernest is so earnest, he's like I'm gonna make a phone call quickly. No sweat, I'll talk to Jelly. I love that Ernest is so Ernest, he's like, I gotta make a phone call. Like he's like, I'm just high enough to remember. I was supposed to call my doctor, 12. He's like, I'm doing, obviously I don't need to be in here. Lane Frost right there celebrating a bull riding legend. One of the best bull riders of all time. Yeah, can we get on his Wikipedia at least?

It might help us some, yeah. Oh, we died in 1989. Yeah, why we died young. His parents lived in La Pointe, Utah. His father was on the rodeo circuit. Yo, hold on, hold on. This is crazy. He sustained severe injuries at the 1989 Cheyenne Frontier Days rodeo.

I played that before. It's a huge deal, dude. Me and Coetzel played that. Really? Dude, I'm headlinein Cheyenne Frontier Days this year, Theo. I'm nice. If you're off that day, you should come out and see it. It is the wildest fucking shit.

It's so legendary. Really? It is like seeing that just gave me goosebumps. You know, think about George Straits. I can still make Cheyenne. Think about Garth Brooks beaches. Which is a big. Drew Bull and Wyoming. No man could ride. I'm getting goose bumps. This is crazy. All this was about this guy. Look at that. Big goose bumps, bro. Wow. That's true. Huh. Yes.

It must have been about him. Look. Oh, damn. Oh, those are real rots and fucking buzzards. You got to go and maybe damn. That's the power of music and stuff. You had some buzzards right there. Go back to Lane Frost real quick and go down a little bit more on them early life. On January 5th, Frost Mary Kelly Kyle, a barrel racer,

and then how did he pass away? On July 30th at Cheyenne Frontier days in Cheyenne, Wyoming, after completing a successful 85 point ride on a Brahma Bull named TakenCare business. Ross dismounted and landed in the mud. The Bull then turned and pressed his right horn on Ross back and pushed him against the muddy floor. He was rushed to, he fell to the ground causing his heart and lungs to be punctured by his ribs. Oh, he died on the way to the hospital. It's 25 years old, man. You got to come with me this year if I do it. That's crazy, dude. I will. That's amazing, man. I appreciate you saying that. I'll have to

I, this sounds really, really cool. Oh, there's a movie eight seconds where Luke Perry, uh, RIP, played the role of Frost. And he has a son, though, Lane Frost, I think is maybe this maybe, or this, maybe this, uh, hairline might just be named after him. Frost parents. Oh, they play tribute to him with the dance video that Garth Brooks put out. This is crazy. Wow. Country music star Zach Brian's middle name is Lane after frost. Wow. What are the odds bro? What are the odds somebody just wild me this happened the other day. I see it across the room. I go put it on and we're back down to Zach Frost. I won't one now. And it's 2022 song Open the Gate is a tribute to his name sake. Wow man, that's awesome. Gosh, dude. There's something about storytelling man. There's something about that people get us, you know, you want people to relate to things and feel something. Yeah. You know, have you said, because

what does music look like? Do you think moving forward for you? You know, do you think like more about it? I mean, do you think like about staying more in a certain lane? You all good, Ernest? Okay. Cool. No, wait, what does go a little bit longer, man? Do you think about staying in a different lane or doing it? Do you have any thoughts like her? Is there new stuff you working on or what's? Yeah, man. I'm actually, I'm actually proud to say this. I've got more demos in my phone right now than I've ever had. Like I've wrote more this year than I've wrote in a year in a long time. I just wrote on the tour this year.

I've been gone all year. I've only slept in my bed 36 days. I don't think we got that on the early part of the night. But I've been gone like that much this year. So it's like, I've just been writing wherever I can and whenever I can. And it's really ignited a flame in me again about the writer's side.

I've been writing a lot of songs just by myself again. Just really folks are just, oh by yourself. With folks too, I've been writing a lot of songs just by myself again. Just really folks are just, oh, by yourself. With folks too, but I've been doing a lot of just like, not with me, falling back here. You've been so busy too. You've been, I've been trying to slip in your bed 90 days this year. No, it has been crazy, but you're touring so unorthodox.

You're on tour this week. You guys show, yeah, in two days. But see, but we tour different. You're doing like the pop, I'm going rock and roll, yeah, I remember I'm going for four months and not home at all. And we go out every weekend, you know, we're back Monday to Tuesday. I hate it, though.

Let's talk about that. You do that for the world. I'm kind of sporadic. Yeah, I'll do like four days in a week and then I'll take off a week or I'll do two weeks, four or four days, five days and then take off for two weeks. See what they're doing that I don't like is,

that's cool. That's actually the way to do it probably. The way they do it, I don't like is that's cool. That's actually the way to do it probably. The way they do it, I don't like this respectfully. Everybody does their own way, but it's not my way. They do probably, no shit, aren't I should do in 47 weekends this year if I had to guess? Out of 52 weeks. Yeah, that's a lot.

Yeah, no. Well, 45 at least, that's insane. We started the first week of March and then pretty much every weekend until this with the exception of when Morgan had to cancel a few shows, I got a couple extra weekends off and like we still picked up some gigs during that. But yeah, we filled that up. I played a lot of shows. So probably 38 weekends.

It's like for me, I would never get in the rhythm field. It was like when I'm gone that much, by the time I came home Sunday and slept Monday, I'd get rid of the hangover. Monday I'd be like, all right, I'm feeling better Tuesday. I'd start rotating in the world, but Wednesday night at midnight, the bus left again. You know what I mean? So it's like, I preferred a rock and roll style tour where like I just went out and did 11 weeks and did five shows a week and did 55 shows in 11 weeks. I never tried another option. I've never tried this. I don't know if I can hand. I don't know. I think I just get we just get to burnt out probably. How many buses

you got now for? No, we did. I guess eight or eight or nine, maybe 10 on your tour buses. Yeah. You got your own. Bun your, bunnies got her own. Yeah, and then we did seven. So it was nine. Jesus Christ. He got one bus. I don't know, I think we did 10 tractor trailers too. Yeah, but a big tour.

I mean, you got, I think we did a rain. So the big production's insane. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we did. And I want to make sure that like, I want to, I'm very, a stickler about doing it right. Like if I have to take a haircut and lose a little money,

but I know that the show is gonna look that much better. I'm very stickler about doing it right. Like if I have to take a haircut and lose a little money, but I know that the show is gonna look that much better. Like I bought content for my show. Nobody buys content for their shows. Everybody uses stock content because it costs a million dollars. You know what I mean? And I was like, I'm buying content though.

Like I wanna create my own. It's insane. Yeah, I know it's a one of a kind show because they're so hard to do one of a kind shows, right? Nothing news under the sun, everybody's done it twice. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we all got the same video walls to some degree. We only got so much room to play with.

You know what I mean? And I was like, at least about create content. It took nine months to build the content for the tour. Yeah, we're building the animation right now to play. We just got some screens and some of these venues. I may go back though to just not doing like, we just started doing some arenas this week, like some smaller kind of,

I mean, the word arenas is kind of loosely, but like a lot of them are like college basketball places. Yeah, we call them hockey arenas. Yeah, and they're like, they're doing Arizona State. We might, I don't know. We did a Pikeville. That was a tough, I That was a tough room.

Some of the audio in the rooms is not, we're bringing our own speakers and stuff, but some of it's not built for. What's the horizon? Is that the Verizon Center, whatever it is right there in Pikeville? Is that little arena in the middle of downtown? Pikeville is beautiful.

It's beautiful. I mean, it's like nestled in the mountains. It's sexy. Unreal. It's like this perfect little place. Did like nestled in the mountains. It's sexy. Unreal. It's like this perfect little place. Did you drive up there? We'd bust in, yeah. I drove up there because the drive,

when we played Pike for that day, I was like, I had to do. It was incredible. You drive through that little, because Pike fills up there in like the corner of Kentucky and West Virginia, right? It's like right there in that little mountainous area right there.

It's fucking nice hike before. But that audio was, I felt like sometimes I just kind of felt like that venue, the audio was kind of tough at it. You ever have some of those or some of them, you're just like, man, it's just, yes. And you feel disappointed because you're like, it does, it's not helping me as much, you know? But here's the deal though, I knew that you were gonna have

start picking up arenas when I was seeing the two or three theater shows in a day pop. Yes. And you're in a weird spot, man, where it's like, how do you feel about this? Because the problem you're gonna run into, if you don't start playing big arenas is, your people, everybody who wants to come ain't gonna be able to come.

There's still people not getting a ticket to see you and you're playing 8,000 capp arenas. There's still people in that market like, damn, which I could have went to go see Theo Friday without a ticket, see you and you're playing 8,000 capparenas. There's still people in that market like, damn, which I could have went to go see Theo Friday without a ticket, you know? Yeah, I don't know. I think part of it is, I'll just keep doing the tour

and I'll just come back. Instead of trying to do it, that's one nice thing. It's like, okay, we realize this area, we could more people wanna come see it, then we'll come back. I'd rather do the same, not the same material, but let it evolve over time. But do that for five years.

And by the end of it, it's a whole new show or it might be a new show in a half by then. But it's like, yeah, I don't think feeling like I need to hurry and then get an hour out. And then it's like, we'll come back. I tell people all the time, if tickets are too expensive, if it's aftermarket, we'll come back. It might be a year and a half, you might not be alive.

You might not even be alive. You might not be alive before you're back. Well, I'll get back. I'll get your issue. I'll be back. How do you, some of that's on them. If you don't mind talking about it, where are you at with your hour?

I'm good, yeah, we're doing like, I'm doing like an hour and 20 minutes on stage right now. You feel like you've got a new hour? Yeah. What are you thinking about filming? I don't know if I will. I think I'm just going to tour for a while and not hurry myself into that next space. You know me and David Spade wrote like a movie we might want to try to get made. So we talked about maybe getting you to get you as a, anything you need.

No, I'll do something too, man. I mean, great package deal. It is higher, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Freaking frat over here. But yeah, I was gonna present at the CMAs, actually, they asked, but I had a show that night in South Carolina. I just got back from Greenville.

It's beautiful. Where'd you go? Where were you? On the collar. No, no, no, no. We just had to blind horse saloons. Halfie time. The place was awesome.

I love it. Did you play coyote Joe's the night before? No, we didn't do the two. So I didn't route it that way. We checked from Rocky. Greenville is beautiful. Did there so many cool places? I didn't even know.

I didn't know. On this tour was incredible. No, we did our tour party in Greenville. I got a story. This is a story. I love it's good one. But it's a story. It sounds like you're laughing. I love the honestly. But we played Greenville and we had the night off before. So what they did was

they let us load in the arena the day before. And then we rented this place. God, they're going to be so mad. I can't remember their name, but it was the coolest thing ever. It was like a, it was an adult playground kind of like they serve booze and they had pizza Alex and they have yeah they had a put put golf center in it you could throw axes they had like beer pong games they had ping pong like it was like it was like like one of those like adults yeah but it was like adult like we were all in there we rented the whole place and get blackout drunk and most of the crew did whippets and blow. And it was just crazy.

I mean, it got really crazy, dude. It was awesome, man. And it was all 75 people from the tour because it was like a 75 person crew. All the drivers came because we parked today before so the truck drivers and the bus drivers got to get drunk. It was like watching the bus drivers get drunk,

nothing tickled me. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because they live a real kind of like regimented sober. tickled me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Cause they live a real kind of like regimented sober. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like the one night where it's like, you don't have to drive for 40 hours.

Like just give your bus is already parked at the venue. Yeah. The venue been loaded in. That's kind of higher. A higher IV is for everybody the next day. So I had like a 10 person nursing staff backstage. Oh amazing. So when everybody got to the venue like like truck drivers are getting out of these,

it was the night we gave away the bonuses for the tour. Oh, what a night. It was special. Not that. Social attitude. No, no, no, no, this place is way cooler. That place sucks. Can, when you find this place, dude,

you're gonna be blown away. That's like a boat with stuff. It's like a mini. It's like a mini, it's got like mini putt putt golf. They got X throwing inside of there. Oh, they got damn baby. It was bad karaoke. We were getting drunk doing karaoke. We all karaoke struggle songs. It was awesome. That's so good. It was really cool, man. It was awesome. What, uh, what else did we have in the news? What was in the news in there? How did, uh, did you all think Morgan was upset about not getting that award? You think he cared? I mean, I don't know. They didn't even let him go there

last year, right? I'm not sure. I don't, I don't know if he was there. Not last year. I think he performed. I think I'm performing. I think you did you prove. But what was really cool? That boy's pockets are fine. Yeah, he's got some of the best some of the best fans. He's the he's the most him getting 11 billboard music awards were deserved. I mean, he's the most because that was not an up to anybody except. It's not just stats. I think billboard is stats. It's just stats. But it's the truth. It's the yeah, him Taylor and Zach are the juggernauts of streaming. Like, it doesn't even get close. Morgan, Zach and Luke Holmes are the three biggest streamed artists in country music. Zach and Morgan and Luke, Luke, to some degree in the world of all artists. But Morgan and Taylor, by far, the two juggernauts and the music, I mean,

don't get no bigger than Morgan Wallen on Earth Like he's bigger than that bunny. He sold more records than bad bunnies. You know what I mean? It's like all that shit you think was doing great Morgan just came in and I was like hold my beer So it's like he's so you know what I mean? It's he's in such a stratosphere of his own. I tell people this is the way I tell them you have Luke the atmosphere of his own. I tell people, this is the way I tell them. You have Luke, streaming wise, Morgan, Zach and Luke in that order of the three biggest streamers in country music.

And on Spotify alone, the gap between them and the next biggest streamed artists in country music, which would probably be Bailey Kane or maybe me. Weirdly enough. The gap between us three in them, and us three in those three is probably a billion streams this year. It's crazy. On Spotify alone. It's crazy. Does that make sense? Like that's how far five and six billion. Billion lower. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's like, it's like,

if you have like imagine if I do end up being the fourth most streamed artist in country music, somebody said, how far away from the third where I go, 1.3 billion. You know what I'm saying? Like a light. On Spotify alone. You know what I'm saying? It's like we're never going to get there. You know what I'm saying?

It's to some degree, these award shows have to be a little different because there'd be no sense in nobody else showing up. You know what I'm saying? It's like if we were like really grading it on that, it's like just give them all the fucking more. What are we doing in Taylor? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's actually a really grading it on that it's like just give them all the fucking more we're doing a tailor Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I thought you agree point. You have to make it a yeah That's a good point the show itself has to make things kind of exciting and there's other there's other award shows

There's like the billboards that it's based on the stat so there's no like yeah, yeah, rig and rule was there an after party or Anything you guys get to go to oh, I had bus call to go yeah, that boy had an after party. We party. He had Laney had our own party. Laney Wilson. We were playing out Laney Wilson, dude. And I don't know if anybody's worked harder. She, we saw her, I got to take my niece to her first concert, right? And it was Laney.

We took her to her and Laney and Hardy and Baton Rouge. And it was cool, man, you know. She's great. And it was just so much fun. She got to meet her. And it was just, but man, she was, you could tell that she was getting burnt out. She'd worked.

No, she slept in her bed last year, 17 days. 17 days of all of 2022 is how many days she slept in her bed. It's in like, wow. This is what I say. I'm willing to do the stuff. Nobody else in this town's willing to do as far as like work like media Go spend three weeks in New York or whatever like I go do that. That's just what I do. I'm into it She's willing to do the stuff I won't do like Laney. I've never seen nobody work genuinely

Harder her her schedule gives me anxiety. You know what I mean? And my schedule would give the average human anxiety and her schedule gives me anxiety like You know what I mean? And my schedule would give the average human anxiety. And her schedule gives me anxiety. Like she has, she is utterly fearless. No, dude, I think everything. I think she stood on stage 160 something times this year. 170 times this year. That's just for as 45 minutes being the smallest set 90 being the biggest all year in saying you know, yeah That's wild man because all the things radio all the streaming things So the yellow stuff. Whatever she's she's she is make a gumbo baby sit your cat Yeah, they love everything on her schedule. Yeah, well, we talked about this year today like I think she's obviously in you two Are gonna be able to say no a lot more? Yeah more then you were able to in the last year or two and saying yes is like you got to

for a lot of those things and obviously it's like to pay it off and people are recognizing it the work. And I would be remiss not to say that you know dude I when I called lip thank you when I called Laney for saving me I said Laney I'm gonna be honest man I'm I'm I, I'm gonna be honest, man. I've said this a thousand times, but I'm hitching my trailer to your train here. I've took this song as far as I can go. This song was a double-plat and a song.

That's kind of true in an interesting way, because that song I'd heard it, I'd listen to it a bunch. And it still had its place in my heart in moments where I was by myself and I liked to listen to it. But it kind of, that was... You got to hear a different perspective, a different voice, a woman's perspective. I was like, and as hot as she as a country radio, I was like, this is all, you, even when we got to the last chorus when she had all the ad lives and extra stuff, she was like,

you want to come in here and sing back and forth? I was like, not at all. As far as I'm concerned, this is now your song. You know what I'm saying? I was a double platinum record when I gave it to her. I'm like, yo, I've done all I can do with this song. But I think this song could still help so many people. If you would just be a part of it,

and she was like, yeah, I'm totally in it. There's no way that this was a number one in 16 weeks by myself or 20 weeks or whatever it ended up being. That's cool. So she definitely came in and put her sols on it. Yes, she really, I mean, we got to have her come in and she's from Louisiana She's from Bastrop, I think You look that up. Please for me sounds right bum fuck

Like She's from dip and dog Louis and she's from this basket. Sorry I'm not from this basket. Sorry. Baskin Carol Baskin. Yeah. Fucking bitch killed her. Went for a reason. Hold by for a reason America somebody wrote online. Yeah, Carol Baskin killed her husband.

Everybody in first two years like that bitch killed you. Joe dirt still wants her dead from prison. And now she's doing not Joe dirt still wants her dead from prison. And now she's doing, I'm not Joe dirt, Joe exotic. Same difference dude. Literally the same guy. Same guy. Joe, Joe exotic.

Joe exotic. That dude's always DMing me all the time man. Joe exotic. Whoever's in his Instagram account is fucking ridiculous. I used to know, I used to know the person that ran. I used to know the person that ran it. I used to know the person that ran it. Really? Yeah, there's no way he's running it.

Was it a male? It was a female. It was, okay. He's built this female energy issue. Yeah, he did too. So what's the most interesting thing about that? On right? He was a, but he's probably the most gangster gay dude

that ever lived. Gangster spelled GA-Y in G-S-C-R. He's a gangster most gangster gay dude that ever lived. Gangster spelled GA Y in GCR. He's a gangster. Yeah, dude. That's talking crazy. Oh, if so, you do to be real scared. If you're scared, somebody's gonna shoot you and then make love to you

and you're not into it, it's going really spook you. It gets interesting out. Yeah, it's crazy. What other cool things have you turned down this year besides Joe Exotic? For some of you to get to see him at Houston. Yeah, and Joe exotted.

Sorry to repeat your joke, man. I've repeated it too. I wanted to make sure he got hurt. Yeah. I don't know. That was probably about the maybe one of the neatest things that came along kind of where they were like, do you want to do this?

But we already had a sold out show and I just felt bad. And I'm glad I did the show. The show was awesome. There was some moments where I felt bad about it. It would have been fun. I know Peyton Manning was there. You guys were there. So I have your friends.

This town loves you, dude. I still want you to do the opera, bro. Do it one of the nights I'm doing it. Let's do the opera together. Let's all three do the opera. Oh, we got all three do the opera one, man. We'll go. Oh, I'll call Jordan about that right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you know they want you there. You can't make me mind every time. Maybe if I think my mom would probably like to go, so maybe if she's gonna be out, I would have her maybe come in for that. We should do like the grand old opera and do a night out for real.

I'm not, if y'all are cool, I'll call Jordan about it right now. I can do some clean material over there. He just gotta keep it pretty clean. Yeah, but I mean, if you just can't cuss, they don't mind if it's risky. They can be risky. They mind about the cuss words cause it's on the radio.

Yeah, it's still the actual, I finally asked him, I was like, yo, what's the real story here about the cuss and he was like, it's on the radio. Yeah, he's like the MCC, he's like, it's a live radio. So he's still to his day. So what's the actual deal here? And I was like, well's a live radio show. He's still to his day. So what's the actual deal here? And I was like, well, that's the deal. No, all those, all those, the people that are,

the opera fans will love a little risqué here. I mean, dude, think about it. He hall, we were talking about. Oh, yeah. It's a deal. It's a deal. I'm trying to answer the history of, you know, if he comedy. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah, he hall, man. Did you know, so I was, I went to see the Arizona Diamondbacks play a game one time and they had um The manager his dad LaRouza, I think his name is Luz no way to look at the rules. No, it's not him. Okay. It's a diamondbacks manager He uh, yeah, Toriela Vulo His father produced he hall

Where it comes up to me goes hey man man, we're talking about the other. The game is the diamond bag Jersey. Yeah, he gave me a cool and it says, Rat King on the back. But anyway, just kind of an interesting piece that his father, Sam LeVulo, there you go, was a producer for he hall. That was a great show. They still have the he hall stage there. I was, yeah, Jamie Johnson to the opera last night.

Did the opera last night. I did the opera last night. Did you? Yeah. Uh, me, Chris Janssen, Riley Green and Nelly did the, uh, for the, the, friends given for the big 98 here. Wow. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. You, you, you work hard, bro. Yeah. We do so much stuff, jelly. Man, I'm just so blessed to be here, though. Theo, man, you like, I feel you there, man. It's so different when I get to hang out with you and Ernest because y'all were like, you like, I feel you there, man. It's so different when I get to hang out with you and Ernest

because y'all were like, remember when it wasn't like this for me and it's like, this is all I wanted it to be though. So like now that I'm in it, like, I just feel like, I don't even wanna disrespect God like that kind of. Like I prayed for this for so many years and so many, dude, I'm filming a special for a television show, CBS Sunday Mornings, what they call it. Big, big deal.

And they took me back to my old jail yesterday. No, wow. The jail that I found out I had my daughter in, like the jail I was in when she was in carcerade. They took me back to my old cell. What was that like for me? One, I've walked in there certain I wasn't gonna be emotional because I walked in so happy and it's such a good mood.

And dude, I walked in the unit still happy, we're chatting, I'm telling them stories, we walk upstairs, and as soon as I walked in so happy and it's such a good mood. And dude, I walked in the unit, still happy, we're chatting, I'm telling them stories, we walk upstairs, and as soon as I walked in that cell, I cried like a baby, dude. I mean, I lost it completely, because it was like every memory, I'm getting choked up, now I was like, every memory from that jail cell,

like every song I wrote, it's like a year and a half in that cell, dog. Like the hearing I had a daughter, every song I wrote, everything I went through and you're just sitting there like, man, this is unreal, dude, thank you brother. It's just sad, it makes me sad. I mean, it makes that make me sad,

but it makes me, yeah, it's powerful. To think that somebody being caged up and then being as free as you are now. No, it's unreal. And I walk out of there, I'm getting choked up too. And I'm like, I leave there and go back to my old halfway house at the Minna Valley. I go see them boys,

and it's like such a humbling thing for me. And then I go do a show with Nelly and Riley Green, and I'm on fucking the biggest podcast on Earth the next day. Like in you and Rogan, dude, you know it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I'm just like, man, this is just such a life. I'm so like blessed, dog.

And that's why I do all the give back stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's like, how could God bless me so much? I mean, I wanna bless blessed, dog. And that's why I do all the give back stuff. It's like, how could God bless me so much? I mean, I want to bless somebody. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I knew you have a toy drive that's going on right now that people can hit.

Yeah, any Walmart middle Tennessee, they got a box right there that you could just drop off toys at the box. I'm going to put a couple hundred grand up myself. We're going to do over a hundred thousand toys. It'll be the biggest one in Nashville. I mean, just look who got behind us, dude. It's crazy. The Predators, Coca-Cola,'ll be the biggest one in Nashville. I mean, just look who got behind us, dude. It's crazy. The Predators, Coca-Cola, Hasbro,

the Nashville Fire Department. Walmart has been a partner in this. I mean, my dream is in the next five years for this to be a national thing that I do with Walmart. And we raise millions and millions of toys for underprivileged kids. I love that. So what's the dog, I go in there and buy toys

and put them in a box. Yeah, yeah, just drop them right in the box, man. Yeah, just drop them right in the box, man. Yeah, just drop them right in the box. And it's cool because it's convenient. We're all in and out of Walmart all season. You know what it means? So it's like, all you got to do is just buy an extra toy. And you're going in Walmart.

They used to be fun, dude. I'll tell you a story. We don't mind me getting, yeah, you're right, huh? Sometimes there's nothing else to do on the road. My daughter wanted to do this. Oh, yeah. And she started this five, six years ago

at a local bar in White House Tennessee with her aunt, where they would just pick them up from the bar staff and people and she'd go give away 20, 30 toys. She was doing this at nine years old. This was her thought. And I looked back at it and when I got out of jail, give me a second. I came home like December of 2009. I didn't have any money for toys, you know. And the halfway house, the Minna Valor, did a toy drive for the guys that just came

home. And I remember dropping off a truck of toys I couldn't afford for her Christmas. And I didn't even get to meet her at that time. I wasn't caught by court. I wouldn't even allow to see her. I just got home. So her heart to want wanna do this toy driving, then me to be able to be in a situation

to amplify it is like, it's really cool. That is amazing. Fuck, I said I wasn't gonna cry today. I was like, I'm not gonna be fucking emotional, but I've had it in time a year, man. I got nominated for a Grammy. I'm having a fucking weird couple of weeks. Damn, you only did, I know he's been nominated

for a Graham Anagram? Yeah. I'm gonna be honest. I love you, dude. That's so cool. Oh, that's so cool. And they split one of them with you. Yeah, they split one of them.

Yeah, that's incredible, bro. But it's crazy. So it's like to see this thing come to life as like, I think that's why I'm so passionate about giving back to So it's like to see this thing come to life as like, I think that's why I'm so passionate about giving back to juvenile. And I'm so passionate about going to jail and rehabs and singing for people and investing in rehab facilities

and like, like, I'm meeting with our mayor and our governor about the fit and all epidemic and a plan and, you know what I mean? It's like, because these are the things that affect in my life. You know what I mean? Like the shit that touches you, the closest to home. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's fine. We, the closest to home. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So it's like- We wanna build a center that's one of our goals next year to try to find some land and build like a halfway, like I don't know if it'd be a half-house or a detox. Probably a place where you could also have meetings at, you know? Where would you do it at? I don't know. Somewhere close enough, like somewhere here.

Let me tell you this. And I'll say this on your show publicly. Whatever I can do, like whatever you want to do, like I don't care if we maybe we do like a string of fucking shows or something that I'll put together and just donate the money or what like I'm into that in a way you'll never understand. Thanks man. If you like if nobody else like and this is what I say an off camera too I'll say it to, but like not even just on some like raise money shit, like I could have fucking checked. Yeah, same like I fucking,

I hate people that go step, just raise money. You know what I mean? Like if you're not a pledge, why tell everybody, I'm don't worry, I'm putting money into this toy drive. Like I'm gonna write a big check because I'm not just gonna be a face of one. My face can help bring more attention to it. That's the only reason I even talk about this stuff.

We did philanthropy for years, I never spoke about it. But I realized that our platform is so big that we can help bring attention and money to the calls, but it's still important to me. My daddy raised me, man, shut the fuck up and cut a check. You know what I mean? That's just something I learned from a kid, you know? Yeah, no, I appreciate that, man. And we're going to do the same thing. We want to make, yeah, we just want to do something in place. I can go to meetings, you know, where other guys can go. I mean, we need where people maybe we could do a songwriter night where songwriters come by and try to play some songs with the guys or would be something. But yeah, it's a big goal of mine, man.

It's just so important. I have just so many friends of mine. And myself, so many people in my own family, just so many people struggling. That's why I think I can feel when you talk about that kind of stuff, you know. I know what it's like to not be caged up by walls, but to be caged up by even just somebody's own life, caged up by their own feelings. And when you're just locked inside of yourself, you know.

Can't get outside of your own head. That's the worst prison. I've been to a lot of jails and the worst one on earth is between the ears, man. You know? Let's check a news thing or two, and then we'll get you guys out here. That's a funny guy,

because you just never know where it's gonna get. You don't really know what's gonna happen. You know, it's not. I love, that's why I love them. Yeah. Cause it is just like, yeah, we have microphones on, but this is just conversation we'd be having at coffee.

We might not even get this deep over coffee. That's what I like about it. The move and have enough time. We'd be rushing to our next thing over coffee. That's what I like about it. The move and have enough time, we'd be rushing to our next thing. That's what I think's the beauty of being friends now with homies, like Havin' Homies like Theo and you, that we have crazy years where Theo's rockin' into arenas.

I did my first arena tour. You came off a stadium tour and to your first big theater tour, two nights at the rhyme. And you know what I mean? All these things, you're still right, and it's like we don't get to talk the way we want to. So we get to sit down for homies for two hours with a microphone in front of us and it's almost like catching up. Yeah, it's really cool. It's like

it's deeper than just like what's going on in your life. It's like the shit we do on the phone if we had time to. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, I realize that one time I left out a Joe Rogan's podcast and and he's so, and he's a super busy guy, you know, and he just is, just his life. He's built a busy life and he has a busy life. He's not too busy for you. He just has a busy life and he has a lot of friends and I was like, man, I wish I'd have spent more that time when I was talking

with him. Like, because sometimes you think all I'm on a podcast, but then sometimes you're just like catching up with the buddy, you know, I was like, I need to make sure that I spend that time catching up with the buddy because sometimes your life is busy and that's all the time you get, especially if you also get older, but if you guys have children, it's like, there's shit going on.

It's like, so yeah, the time you get with people is just as important. Even though it is on a podcast, it's like it's still that's the time that you have. I had camhains flew down here to the show last night. Oh, did he really? Yeah, camhain, we were talking about you last night. He's camhains aren't the camhains.

On the camhain. Keep hammering. Oh, camhain, yeah. Yeah. I was meant to am. I love that he was like the underwear guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, camhain's keep hammering. Yeah, yeah, keep hammering. Oh, that's right. He said you guys were going to see each. Yeah, for sure he came out here and we we spent all night together At least I'm not surprised when I'm an idiot Underwear guy I used to feel bad when I was a guy confused because I was like maybe cam has an underwear dear I didn't know about he's a boy. He wrote a book. I was like fuck maybe did do it under where dear. If he could write a book. He's a reigning. He's got that per underwear. Listen, I don't think there's anything on earth campaigns can't do.

Here's a guy that'd be working on one of your, uh, there's, this could be working on one of your deals. Tennessee Manorested for DUI math while driving lawnmower, Santa's train. I see man arrested for DUI meth while driving lawn mower, Santa's train. Full of kids. Whoa. So was the DUI for meth or was fitting

to come up with meth and a DUI? I mean, see, this is what's wrong with you. Because listen, if he was drunk and had meth on him, I kind of understand. Yeah, that's fair. That's the balance of an equation. I feel like he didn't pretty dialed at driving, dude. Yeah, for sure.

It's like, I definitely not fall asleep behind the wheel. We've done two different at driving, dude. Yeah, for sure. It's like definitely not falling asleep behind the wheel. We've done two different kind of myths. That's for sure. Yeah, dude, I think first of all, this is what's wrong with the US Postal System. I want to say that. That's it. That this is how they're delivering mail mail.

Or radically. Would it say Henry Meade was driving Santa's train a motorized lawnmower pulling carts of children. Which first of all seems like a bad idea. Oh, they found meth. First of all, it's a car accident. I wonder what the narcotics are. I hope they took the pills.

Probably pills. I told you when they got that. I hope they took the blade off that thing. I told them, I'm hoping. Officials noted that meat was not a town employee. That's what the... Okay, yeah, I can get it. Mayor not a town employee. That's what the Definitely clear

It was a pocket. That's one way to do it, dude. Oh my goodness. What else we got, anything else popping? That's so Tennessee. Florida couple turns a felony after public sex. It was always a dream of mine. That shouldn't be a crime.

Look, why does she look so sad if you just fulfilled a dream? I'm kidding. Me and Bunny would look the polar opposite right now. We'd be on that motherfucker cheese and cheese and cheese. Man, buddy would be. You guys do seem like a public sex type. I would say that.

Public sex. Lizzy buddy is a wild one. Oh man. Man. What do you get money for Christmas, do you know, Jelly? Huh? You don't want you to get it for Christmas, do you? I got some cooking for him, man.

So we quit doing the gifts a couple of years ago, because we realized that it was just getting stupid. Like as far as like, you know, like whatever. So like now we do trips. Like we'll like put our money together and be like, all right, this is what we would have bought each other. Let's go to, so we're gonna go somewhere

and just spend some time together, man. Like she is still my favorite human to be around. Like, we've been married almost eight years. I'm sure you feel like that about Delaney, but it's like, when I have a free moment to hang out with somebody, that's the first person I think of. I'm like, I wonder what my wife's doing.

You know what I'm saying? She's like, there's nobody in life I wanna be alone with more. The homie. The homie, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I just wanna spend every minute I can. Sheie. Then the homie, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I just want to spend like every minute I can, like she's like my favorite hang, she's funny,

she's goofy, she's a fucking wild bitch. You know what I'm saying? She's fucking wild. She's like, she's the perfect woman man. She's like for me. So for like short, we'll probably take a trip somewhere. I'm gonna get her a little something just because I got, it's like a real personal thing,

but she's, we're gonna probably just go out and do something like just me and her. What about you and Delaney, brother? We're going to Mexico. Well, damn, brother. We're going to Mexico. I've never been to Mexico, they're then off the FGL cruise. Delaney, as far as gifts go, it's like,

she wants, I think, new, new forks and knives and like a dope espresso machine. But we call that the house gift, because we'll be like, what do we need? We got bought a fridge last year. That's how old a married we are. I'm saying we need a new fridge. Yeah, that's what the audience is. I'm getting her countertops and like,

we were getting 20, 15 foot tall trees in the backyard. Yeah, for sure. That, there, Merry Christmas. Yeah, here's some tall trees in the backyard. Yeah, for sure. That, there, Merry Christmas. It's a Christmas tree. Yeah, she, the body doesn't want roses. She wants a rose bush. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

It's different, you know? Yeah. What are you doing for Thanksgiving? I'm going to go, what am I doing? I'm going down to see, Dustin Poria does a fundraiser thing every year. They hand out hams. Oh, I'm Thursday. And they're in Louisiana called the Good Fight Foundation.

Yeah. And so I'm a good on there and do that. And then we got to show the day after Thanksgiving at the late, you and I, where I saw my first concert at you and I like, really? God, that's all, ooh, are you excited about that one? Yeah, I'm pretty, I am excited. I know that other people, I know that a lot of my friends

are excited, so I think I'm almost more excited for them, I think in a weird way, like, just because I know they're excited. Is it nerve wracking having a lot of my friends are excited, so I think I'm almost more excited for them, I think in a weird way, like just because I know they're excited. Is it nerve wracking having a bunch of people you know in the audience? I think my fear is that they're gonna yell out and stuff the whole time, which for music is fine, but with comedy, you want people just being more silent and stuff.

You think they're just starting to know how to act? Is that gonna work? Well, we had a show, I shot my first, I shot a comedy special in Louisiana one time and people had never been to a comedy show before. They don't even have a comedy club in New Orleans. So people didn't know what to do. People were like, there were people in the crowd,

I remember this one lady was yelling defense the whole time. Like, yeah, like a bunch of footballs. Yeah, like a bunch of LHP fans. Yeah, people had, dude, it's like one of those times. That's the most rattling, that's gotta be, how do a bunch of LHP fans. Yeah, like people had, dude, you're just like one of those guys. That's the most rattling. That's gotta be, how do you crowd work with that unreal? And I think she even had one of those fans cut out.

I was like, well, do you know where you are right now? I thought my career was over after I shot that. I was like, this is, then one of the days with that helmet with like the two beer cans, and I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Fuck the Packers! So that was kind of wild.

What about thankful man? What are some things that you guys are thankful for? And sometimes I make gratitude lists like in the morning, you know? So I'm trying to think of something that I'm thankful for. You know, I'm thankful that I'm thankful that I don't give up on myself. You know, I think if that's something

that I had to be thankful for, you know, I'm thankful that I don't give up on myself when I give up on myself less than I used to. Right. You know, that's a good one. I, each day, I'm more thankful for my son, Raman and Delaney being the bad ass she is. Like, as much as I'm um, each day, I'm more thankful for my son, Rhyman and Delaney being the bad ass she is like, as much as I'm gone and not able to be there, I, I'm thankful that I have a piece

of mind knowing that everything's good and Rhyman is getting the most love and attention and I get home and he's growing and like acquiring such a cool little sense of humor and personality. And it's like, I owe that to Delaney because she's in there making sure that every little want and need is taken care of. And she's on her hands and he's playing trains with them and stuff and paying all kinds of attention to him. So I'm thankful for that. Hey, man, trains are damn dangerous. I am trained.

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Like, I thought I lost my phone yesterday and I realized I think I'll lose my phone every day now because I'll just set it down and wherever I'm at in that moment is just where I am. And then I'll go look for the phone at the end of the day. You know what I mean? It's kind of where I've been out of my life and I'm just really thankful for that.

And I'm thankful for my family, my wife, of course, my children, but I'm thankful for my presence because like, I of course, my children, but I'm thankful for my presence. Because I've been present around them, but not present. You know what I mean? I want to get to that point, but I'm so bad about being present. I live in the future and in the past in my head so much, and Delaney is so good about being in the presence. It's like, I notice how bad I am at it when I'm seeing it, when I'm with somebody that's so good at it.

Yeah, that's why I think my higher power, that's why I think God, because like I truly like, that's my anchor, that's my meditation, it's like my prayer and my ability to just be like, today, I'm just gonna like, I just wanna be wherever I'm at today, I just wanna be there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's all that really matters, it's like right then, and I'm just thankful that I haven't achieved it completely yet, but I'm getting fucking so close and it's awesome. It's a really cool feeling. How do you keep that going? How do you kind of nurture that

relationship with God kind of for you? Just more praying and just more trying to clear my mind, just more meditation and grounding myself. When you pray kind of what's it like? What do you? Well, you know, I pray in old traditional Southern Baptist prayer, it's just my praying ways. Of course, you know, I'll always say the serenity prayer every day just because that's like just so anchoring too. But, you know, I'm an old school guy, it's just like, God, I just want to thank you and I just want to ask you

for the ability to just care and love. And I just want to be, I want you to help me be conscious today of the way I am in this room. You know what I mean? And I want to be a, prepare. And I want to be a, like, man, I heard the coolest thing the other day, Theo, that said, if we're searching, if we think our purpose in life is to be happy,

how much more narcissistic can we be? Our purpose in life is to be useful. And so now it's just more like, man, I'm a tool, dude. You know what I mean? Like, what can I be a man? You know where I'm getting this from? You know what I mean? We'll talk. But it's like, how can I be a service? Like, what can I do to actually be useful to somebody today? You know what I mean? Like, and in every little scenario, like, is there something? Can I do something cool here? Can I like that? I believe firmly that that spirit,

the day of the CMA is not to get weird and hokey now, but I walked out of my front yard and my boxers in a T-shirt, no shoes, no socks, boxers now. Neighbors driving by a wave and I put my bare feet in my front yard grass. And I just looked up at that sun and I just said a little prayer and I just thought like, you know what, God?

I won't be in here. I don't care if I win in the war. Just like help me to open the show, let me do it right, let it be a moment. You know what I mean? Just like, and let me enjoy tonight, like regardless. Man, I set my phone down at the house. When I walked out, I didn't have my phone with me.

I didn't check my phone till the next night. You know what I mean? Like I was present in every situation. And because of that, I think when I got on that state and it seemed 58, 57, something inside of me was like, you thank God, you thank your wife, you think you're labeled and you say something that fucking matters is what was going through my mind. You know what I mean? Because that was that presence of like I was just so grounded in the present of that moment.

I knew that moment. I wanted to think Parker McCullum. I knew I wanted to tell Zach Bryan. I thought he was the goat. And I knew I wanted to tell Zach Bryan, I thought he was the goat. And I knew I wanted to tell my wife, I loved her. And I knew that I wanted to say something that would at least make a motherfucker go, man he blessed me with that.

You know what I mean? And I didn't think it would do what it did. I was out of my seat. I saw a silhouette of me. Just like, I was like, Oh man, oh man. Oh man. Oh man. Oh man.

Ah, tears in my eyes, bro. I was, I mean, the faces on the audience, all around me, some were like, oh my God. Some were like, some were in tears. I was literally, you would have thought, Derek Henry just took off for a 98 yard touchdown run. I was losing my mind. And you were a vessel, that's, you know,

being a tour, whatever, being a vessel. Like I think when you are that present and that in tune, nobody's more of a vessel than I think than you, Jelly. You know, I think you really do. I think you inspire so many of us, man. You know, there's just, yeah, you just have a gift. It's not even if it's a gift, but you be, it's like, it's not a gift that you have,

but it's just a gift that you are. Right. You know, you it's a gift, it's not a gift that you have, but it's just a gift that you are. Right. You know, you all feel like a gift, I think to so many people, you know? And I know what I love about you, the same dude that could say something that eloquently just thought Cameron Haines was the underwear guy. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's what makes the other guy. Alvera Tartid, man. A little bit. I'll got a little bit of it. A little bit of little bit. I'll got a little bit of it. Yeah, I got a little bit of it. I just, I'm thankful for both of y'all. Thank you for letting me come on this with you guys. You know I'm glad.

I've been great getting to know you over last couple of months. You two, man. Thanks for always being somebody that can make me laugh, dude. And, uh, you called me, too. You check in on me every now and then. Well, because you make me laugh, I was like, fuck, I don't feel good. I don't need to call somebody to do anything to laugh.

It's awesome. You were so damn good at it, I had not a choice. Perfect, I was a true. I was like, you did not, you were so good at it, I didn't have a choice, but like, God, have I let you down? No, you can't. I know what you're saying.

I'm just thankful for your art, Theo. Yeah. Like, outside of our friendship, like, I'm thankful for your art, dude, like, I watched the pod, like, I'm a fan, like, I have been, that's what drew me to you. I'm one thing I've learned in life is never be too cool to be a fan.

Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like never be too cool to be a fan. And it's like, I'm a fan. Like I can tell you, like as a brother, like I think you're fucking brilliant. And my cousins, my cousins, Addison Prope, all the pro, my pro family side,

they love you. They were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they love you. They were like, they were like, the girl in her dog. You know, you got a long way. You got a long way. Yeah, you just, you did just see on the other day. I see them yesterday. You know, I've just seen Ernest and Rhyman and Delaney.

At breakfast. I was like, that's crazy. But, no, they told me they, they told me they loved you. And I was like, I said, I'm gonna see Ernest Martin. I was like, that's what he said. I was like, yeah. And they were like, we can't believe you're going with Theo. And like, you know, my wife, I mean, we all just find a lot of,

a lot of, you bring a lot of, a lot of smiles to people, man. And it's like, man, in a world where smiles are so rare, where there's no compassion in America right now, there's no middle ground, nobody finds any common, there's so much tension in so many ways. You have found a unique way to constantly break that and make people smile and feel really good.

And man, that is your gift, brother. And you need to know that too. You ain't heard it recently. I'm sure you hear it every day, but I want you to hear it from me, brother. You're a special man. Thanks, dude. I appreciate it.

Yeah, sometimes I have a tough time feeling proud of myself, you know? And that's okay. Some of that's okay, because you don't want your ego to get crazy, you know? But sometimes I do have a tough time feeling proud of myself, but. Well, we're proud for you.

Thanks for what it's worth. I appreciate that. Anyone you lack well, we're proud for you. Thanks for what it's worth I appreciate that anyone you lacking that we're proud for hey man. We're we were like hype Thanks. I gotta get you in a wife together. It's like a must yeah. I know I know I know you heard always ask me if money's gonna come on or if I'm gonna go on bunnies people ask me a lot Yeah, so y'all would make it happen this year. Yeah, she had a she had a clip go viral They kept in the meme was the female Theo Von Because she said he had so funny. She said that's Garbodge. She said you know what that is French for trash But yeah, y'all would y'all would it would be cool. I got to get y'all together I'd love for y'all to do the pods together

That's a good one man. Um We'll have to do I'll make sure that I do it with her in the new year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do one more. Y'all to be a lot of fun. And yeah, I think, you know, even us just sharing about some of our thoughts and stuff about each other,

I think it's just like, and how music has changed. And I think it's like, there is some evolution in the way that man communicate and feel and like, you know, and need, you know, need to be supportive of each other, you know. I think, I don't know why we're at that space and it's a society where it's like, I don't know if it's like that we used to be all like around the fire in the woods and we were like right there for each other and like in tribes and small groups.

And then now it's, there's, but we're, there's an element sometimes that's missing, you know, and so, yeah, man, today was awesome, man, just to be able to sit and kind of, you know, share and reflect on the year and, uh, and yeah, and, today was awesome, man, just to be able to sit and kind of share and reflect on the year. And yeah, and say something nice about each other. It's important because people need to hear that stuff. Because sometimes there's something wrong with us that we can't say it to ourselves. Right.

It just won't, the cyst, the coldest sack is fucking broken. Right, for sure. So, congratulations, man, on great years, dude, the sister, the coldest sack is fucking broken or something. You know? For sure. So congratulations man on great years dude and just on creating cool stuff. To everybody, man. Yeah, praise God, man. Big ups.

Merry Christmas dude. Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Happy Holidays. Yeah, happy holidays. You'll get just levels tested, huh? Yeah, yeah. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I'll get you levels tested out. I'm a pirate in my balls But it's gonna take