This Past Weekend - E494 Dustin Poirier

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Starting point is 00:01:05 the Tunnel Bar downtown Baton Rouge Louisiana at the Hilton Hotel and we are grateful to get to spend time today with a UFC legend, is lightweight competitor former interim champion and and just a one-of- of a kind guy to cheer for and get to know. We're grateful to have him returning to the podcast. Today's guest is Mr. Dustin Poirier. I'll sit and tell you my stories. Shine on me. And I will find a song I've been singing. I'm gonna stay. And now I've been moving way too fast.

Starting point is 00:02:04 For the ass. How's Louisiana been treating you guys? Eating some good food? I saw the crawfish. Right now it's crawfish time. Yeah. Yeah, we had some crawfish, man. We had some crawfish the other day. Some of them know the size disparity.

Starting point is 00:02:24 That's where it's tough to know. Like do you get the specifically the big ones from somebody you know or how do you guys do it over there? Pablito has his own. Oh yeah. He has his own farm. Is it open now? Yeah. Yeah. He's running it. Wow. Bring you how many sacks you need man. Is uh. Not his pit stop, not his store. His family owns crawfish ponds. Oh I didn't even know that. Damn. I'm going to have to get a hold of some of those. Dustin Poirier, welcome, bro. Thanks, man.

Starting point is 00:02:50 Good to be back. Yeah, good to see you, dude. How's you guys? You guys just went skiing? Yeah, we went up to Aspen with my wife and daughter. Spent four days up there, and it snowed the whole time. Weather was great, man. Oh, that's nice.

Starting point is 00:03:02 Travel back wasn't as great. Got stuck in Oklahoma. We were going to Dallas. Had to circle for 20 minutes in the air then they didn't let us land so we went to Oklahoma. We were running low on fuel so we sat on the runway there. I was in that plane for like six hours and two of it was in the air so I was on yeah. Yeah that's uh. We made it man. That's alarming bro. Yeah something the other day we landed real fast and then took off again. You ever had that happen? No. Yeah. Yeah did you guys uh what kind of what kind of skiing you

Starting point is 00:03:30 do out there? You ski? You snowboard? Like what is what's it like out there for uh what diamonds are you doing out there? Dude I'm not I'm doing the bunny slopes. Really? Yeah I don't want to blow my back up. Oh yeah my daughter this is her time skiing, so she's picking it up. My wife, this was her first time. Last time we went, she snowboarded with me. I didn't ski this time. I didn't want to bust myself up. Yeah. I did sledding, tubing, stuff like that, ice skating. Yeah, because some people say snow is just gay water.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Hey, perspective. Could be. Oh, I think, yeah. Because it's just like, if you look at it like it just as a flake, some of them bitches are. Yeah, a little feminine. They nice. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:16 Do you guys have contracts in UFC where you can't do certain sports? Are there things that you guys are not allowed to do? I've heard that in our contracts. I haven't seen it. But I've heard that in our contracts, I haven't seen it, but I've heard it in our contracts there's something with like extreme sports, maybe motorcycles and things like that, but I haven't stopped.

Starting point is 00:04:30 I just do everything normal. I don't, I don't know. Yeah. It's interesting because you guys are one of those few sports where it's like, yeah, cause Sean Strickland's on his motorcycle every day. Yeah. Blatantly, you know, telling people he's going hundreds and hundreds of miles an hour. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:44 And I believe him. Yeah. of miles an hour. Yeah. And I believe him. Yeah. I believe him too. Yeah. But yeah, that's pretty wild that you guys are just able to just be totally free like that. Yeah. I had a motorcycle for a while when I lived in Florida and I ended up selling it.

Starting point is 00:04:56 I only had it for like six months maybe. Never laid down? No, never. But it just felt too dangerous, man. Yeah. Yeah. I was scared every time I was riding. Oh yeah, bro. But you know, most organ donors are motorcyclists.

Starting point is 00:05:08 Yeah? Yeah. Like, uh. Dude, I just did my ID recently. I had to update it to the real ID, the new thing. And my wife was with me. She was like, no, don't say you're an organ donor. I'm like, I mean, I got the goods.

Starting point is 00:05:18 You can have them if I can't use them, you know? Yeah. But she said, she was like, no, I'm telling you, if you get in an accident and they go to the hospital and see that you're an organ donor, they're not going to work as hard on you because they want those organs. I'm like, oh man, conspiracies, bro. That's what I hear.

Starting point is 00:05:30 Conspiracies. Look that up, Nick. I wonder if that's true or not. They'll never tell you, man. Dude, I, uh, actually, while I'm thinking about it, if something ever happened to you, God forbid, right? Can I have one of your hands? I won't do nothing weird with it. I promise.

Starting point is 00:05:45 It's just for, I keep it in like a little cage or what, you know. I'll give you the left one. Bet. Yeah. Thanks, dude. Now look, if it gets out at night and beats up a neighbor, that's all good. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:05:57 What, like Adam's family it? Yeah. Yeah, it's like da-da-da-da. It fucking starts popping off, bruh. Or if it wakes up in the middle of the night, it starts cooking up a roux. Bro, I'll tell you what, man. I'm part of the roux tank clan.

Starting point is 00:06:11 Protect your neck. What does this say? What does this say, Nick? There is an age limit organ myth religion. See, I never heard of this. My wife was with me at the DMV. Oh, here's the myth right here. Doctors don't work as hard to save the lives of registered organ donors.

Starting point is 00:06:28 Fact, if you are sick or injured, the first priority of your hospital care team is to save your life. Organ donation is only considered when all efforts to save a patient have been exhausted. That secondhand market, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that secondhand market, bro.

Starting point is 00:06:44 Oh, especially, dude, if they know it's you, probably. My liver's taking probably a little bit of abuse, but heart and stuff's good. Oh, dude, yeah. They're going to get at least, for Poirier's heart, they're going to cop $40, $50,000 on that. For sure. Easy.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Easy. On Etsy, you could probably get $60,000. Yeah, man. That's easy, man. Speaking of Etsy, you could probably get $60K. Yeah, man. That's easy, man. Speaking of Etsy, speaking of stuff like that, eBay, you know, we auction off the fight kits for the foundation. Somebody outbid everybody, you know, so they had a bunch of real bidders and then didn't pay.

Starting point is 00:07:16 So now I got to relist it. It just sucks because, you know, we listed the week after the fight when momentum and, you know, the fight's fresh. Now we got to relist it. I just hope it raises the same amount of money. Yeah. I think it will, man.

Starting point is 00:07:26 We'll make sure to make a bet. How much did they, what did purchase price did they get it at? Maybe $11,000 or $12,000, I think, which is good because we're trying to raise $50,000 for the food net in Lafayette. OK, bet. Yeah, that's a great, I think that's a great thing to have.

Starting point is 00:07:44 According to the widely used, although somewhat hard to find, credit for figures, a heart is worth around $1 million in the US on the black market. On the black market. Wow. Livers come in second, worth about $557,000. Kidneys cost about $262,000 each. Human skin, if you want to do it all, Dustin, I don't know what type of.

Starting point is 00:08:06 $10 an inch? $10 an inch, bro. Now look. Hey, hey. Look, look. There's going to be a limited amount of that. That's all I'm saying, if it's me dying, bro. Stomach 500, eyeballs 1,500 each, though.

Starting point is 00:08:21 Wow, that's crazy. And this is off of the black market, Nick, or is this? Is this 2024 prices? Yeah. Yesterday's price. They're saying it's from a cadaver broker. So it's not like, obviously, no one's taking official stats here.

Starting point is 00:08:37 But based on their research of cadaver brokers, those are the prices. OK. I have a cadaver in my nose. Really? Yeah, somebody's rib. Yeah, cartilage. Dang. That's biblical, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you, yeah, I've done cocaine off a Bible. That's kind of similar. It's not the same thing that you have going on, but. No, no. And we shouldn't have done it, bro. Yeah. Or you shouldn't have admitted it. Yeah. That's too late.

Starting point is 00:09:00 One or the other, dude. Did you see, did you see the new Roadhouse? No, I haven't, but I will. I will watch. I've been traveling so much, man. Yeah? Yeah. You guys been busy since your fight. Every week. In LA. Yeah, I was shooting some stuff out there. Last week, Aspen, the week before Carolina, this week in Indiana, I think for Anthony Pettus. Oh, he's fighting?

Starting point is 00:09:22 He's at a, he's got his own promotion and I'm a guest appearance there, so that'll be cool. Oh, nice. Yeah. Connecticut, the weekend after. And are you cornering somebody over there? No, just watching fights. Dang. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:35 That's busy, man. Yeah, you didn't see the movie, but you'll see it though? Yeah, I'll watch it, I just haven't had time to really. Yeah. Do you think, what movie would you be in, you think? You think you would ever be in, will you just, I know you were out in LA, you were doing a movie, right? Yeah, we were filming a commercial for movie Monkey Man.

Starting point is 00:09:52 I don't know a whole lot about it, but it looks pretty good. Yeah? Yeah. Do you think that's something you like think about for yourself or is it just like a fun thing that kind of happened? Like, I know Connor's in this movie,

Starting point is 00:10:04 Connor McGregor, do you think about that for yourself? I'd like. Like I know Conor's in this movie, Conor McGregor. Do you think about that for yourself or? I'd like to, you know, it's something different. Like it's exciting because I've never done it before. It's a new challenge. It keeps me busy. I gotta be busy, man. That's my thing.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Like I gotta be busy. If I'm not getting ready to fight somebody, and I've said this a thousand times, I have to have some kind of obstacle, you know, to in front of me. So if I'm trying to do movies or grow my businesses, I just need to be in action, you know? Yeah?

Starting point is 00:10:26 Yeah, that's how you feel? Have to, yeah. You just know if you get complacent or if you, why what? I'm like, it's honestly, bro, I'm a danger to myself when I'm having nothing. No, no goal circle on my calendar. I'm a danger to myself, man. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:10:40 Yeah, I beat myself up mentally. I'm home, I drink. It's just not good. I have to have some kind of battle. Yeah. Hmm. And I've always been like that. But like as I'm getting older, I'm kind of recognizing. Oh, you can see it more.

Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, so I kind of set goals so I stay busy, you know. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, because I know in the last, yeah, I know whenever you came off of the Gachey fight, you were kind of in a tough spot, I guess, at times. Oh, big time, man. That was probably like one of the Gachey fight, you were kind of in a tough spot, I guess, at times. Oh, big time, man. That was probably one of the lowest points of my life.

Starting point is 00:11:10 Mentally, I really felt down. Did you feel like so because now you're in a place that feels different? Yeah, back in the wind column, everything feels like it's in the motion like it should be. I just felt out of sync with life after that last fight. Yeah, do you think that it's like, because yeah, I'll like a lot of times determine

Starting point is 00:11:31 how I feel about myself based on what is happening like in my career or in my social life sometimes or how I think people are perceiving me. You know, like, do you notice for yourself was any of that like about, did you feel like you were depressed? Did you feel like it was like, like, were you able to get any perspective on like what made you feel bad kind of? No, I don't think I like pinpointed what really brought me down. Obviously getting kicked in the head wasn't good, but uh... Sorry. Yeah. I didn't want to laugh, but God just

Starting point is 00:12:05 made me laugh. Yeah, yeah. It was just a lot of things, you know. And like, I think I might have texted you after as well, after that fight. Like, I worked so hard to like build myself up and be successful and have a career and fighting's tough, you know. And I feel like I've got myself to a point where I'm respected by my peers in fighting and stuff like that. And I feel like when I got home from that loss, it was like the world is just gonna throw me away. Remember when I texted you that? That's how I felt.

Starting point is 00:12:29 It's like I worked so hard and one night you feel like, boom, everybody's throwing you away now. Like everything I've done before that feels like it doesn't matter. It just sucks. It was like a bad place to be in myself. Waking up every morning, I was just not happy. Wonder what makes us feel like that? Cause I can totally relate to that, man. and myself, waking up every morning, I was just not happy.

Starting point is 00:12:45 Wonder what makes us feel like that, because I can totally relate to that, man. Like if it doesn't go good, then I'm not worth anything. Right, I just feel. Is that what it felt like? Yeah. Yeah. And in fighting, like they say, you're

Starting point is 00:12:56 only as good as your last fight. And then that's where the world thinks about you. Your last performance, getting knocked out. After I built myself up so long, so many crazy fights and you know, the struggle and the grind to get there, it just feels like boom, now everybody's looking at me like that and just throwing me away. Damn.

Starting point is 00:13:12 But that's why I put my nose to the grindstone, this last one, and we're not there and touch that guy up. Yeah. Yeah, and what it is, so like when you start, cause I think so many people can relate to that, man. I mean, I totally can. Like I remember we were just kind of texting about it, like, yeah, like I would pin so many people can relate to that, man. I mean, I totally can. I remember we were kind of texting about it, like, yeah, I would pin so many of my who I feel like I am on how I do.

Starting point is 00:13:32 Right. Right? But then I'll start feeling like, how did you notice when it got too hectic? Or what did you do to it got like too hectic or did you, what did you do to start to turn that around? You know, my wife really helped me out through this last one. Putting things in perspective, like we were saying, you feel like the fight is your life,

Starting point is 00:13:57 but it's just something I do. You know, I'm a father, a husband, a friend, a business owner, a son, a brother. That's who I am. Fighting is just something I do. You know, so if you a friend, a business owner, a son, a brother. That's who I am. Fighting is just something I do. You know, so if you put it in perspective like that, and I kind of switched my mindset of like, everything's an experience. You know, I'm thankful I got to experience that fight week and the downs and the ups of fight week and losing sucks.

Starting point is 00:14:19 But I got to fly home in a different perspective looking back, you know, because like losing sucks, especially when you work so hard and fighting's like everything's into back, you know, because like losing sucks, especially when you work so hard and fighting is like everything's into it. You know, I put myself into this for real. Oh yeah. I remember sitting in your green room after we were all sitting in there. Oh yeah. And literally it was like, it felt like we were at a funeral in a weird way, but you

Starting point is 00:14:40 were right there. Yeah. It just felt like everybody felt. I told everybody that in there. I said, they, this ain't a funeral. You're like, yeah. Yeah. It just felt like everybody felt. I told everybody that in there. I said, this ain't a funeral. You're like, yeah, you're going around trying to boost people's spirits. You're like, hey, I'm still. You put on a black suit and stuff. I don't even know where you got it. We're all singing. I can still hear

Starting point is 00:14:59 mama praying. Somebody stood up and was like, he was a good man. I'm like, I'm right here, bro. Somebody stood up and was like, he was a good man. I'm like, I'm right here, bro. I'm right here. Yeah, I think that was somebody trying to flirt with your wife at the event too. I don't know. That might have been Sabah, your buddy. Yeah, the demon. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:15 Could have been the demon. He definitely, he loves to meet a lady. But you know what, you know what, taking that last loss, what really switched my mindset man is I know who I am. Like losing, you find out who you are. And losing sucks, but in those moments, like when you're down, it's a great time to experience you.

Starting point is 00:15:34 You know, because like when you're winning, you can get this momentum when things, everything's going good. You can kind of get in that groove where you're just on cruise control, you know? But when you lose and the phone stops ringing and you're at home laying in bed going to sleep by yourself and everything, the dust settles, you know, that's when you experience yourself who you really are, you know, and I think that's important, you know. Yeah, was that tough? Did you like, what are you, because that's, yeah, that's scary because every moment of silence thing, you kind of like, if something like that happens to me, like I have something that's not good or feels like

Starting point is 00:16:03 it's not good, I don't get the outcome that I want. Any silence I hear after that, always just, it feels like, yeah, that nothing's, like, it feels like the phone isn't ringing. But even it's just silence. It's just normal silence. But in my head, I feel like, oh, the phone ain't ringing. That's when reality really sets in. When you're around a bunch of people after a loss

Starting point is 00:16:25 and you're talking and everybody's keeping you busy, your mind's busy, but then you go back to your house and you're by yourself and you look in the mirror and it's just you, that's when it's real. Yeah. That's when the phone's not ringing. Yeah. How rough did it get?

Starting point is 00:16:41 Was there a moment where you're like, okay, I got to get some help? What kind of help did you get? I started doing therapy. I went to speak to a therapist. Yeah, there were some nights where I would just, I just got up and left my house. Like I just, I couldn't be here. I just got up and left my house and went to get a hotel room, you know, got in my truck and just left, you know, and I don't know why I don't have any reason why. I just felt like I had to. It was crazy, man. I was going through it. Yeah? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:05 And do you think it was just that you were feeling like, was some of it like medical or CTE related, do you think? Or do you have any perspective on what it was kind of? Or do you think it was just? I mean, it could have been all of that. You know, I definitely have head trauma. I have 50 fights. And uh.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Yeah, and you were from frickin' uh, yeah. And you were, yeah. And you're from fricking Youngsville from Lafayette. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. But yeah, we all have head trauma. Look, you born in Louisiana.

Starting point is 00:17:35 Yeah. You come out with head trauma, but it's on the report. Yeah. I'm sure it could have been all of, I don't know. You know, I just wasn't in a good spot, but I'm good now. That's what matters. You know? And what about medication or something?

Starting point is 00:17:45 Like I take, I was off antidepressants for a while because I was trying to not take them. And then I got, I was like, I just can't do this right now. Life's too much. I'm going to get on them. I guess I'm back on right now. But did you ever try any medication? Or is that something that a lot of UFC fighters do or what is that

Starting point is 00:18:05 like? I'm not sure. I mean, like the prep, we're such tough guys fighting. We don't really talk about that in the locker room or in the gym. We don't talk about like, I'm feeling down. It's just shut the hell up and work. You know, we got work to do. You got to fight to win.

Starting point is 00:18:17 We don't, we don't sit around and hold hands and talk about, I'm not feeling well today. Yeah, you're right. That's your point. Yeah. It would be nice if we opened up and kind of, cause I'm sure a lot of people are going through it and not talking about it, but I've never been shied away from telling people how I feel and stuff like that. So I don't care. I will talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you try to share when you can about what's going on. And I think that's one thing that's so interesting about kind of what the past like year of your life has been like is

Starting point is 00:18:45 that you were in a space where things were so tough and you were having a tough time and then you get a victory and some of that goes away but some of it may still stick around so then you get some better perspective as to what that's like you know yeah it's just the highs and lows like losing is the lowest of the low then you win on pay-per-view a guy out, you're back on the mountaintop. It's just what a roller coaster this is, fighting, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I'm thankful for it all though.

Starting point is 00:19:10 You know, it's given me and my family everything we have. Yeah. So I'm thankful for it, the good and the bad. But I wouldn't recommend anybody seek this as a career. Really? No. Sorry. Be a doc, go to school.

Starting point is 00:19:23 Huh? Yeah, go to school, go to college or something. Yeah. Maybe that's the movie you could be in, man. It'll be like, yeah, Madea goes to the swamp or something. I'm trying to think of a good, since Gyllenhaal and Connor had a movie, what would be a good Poirier movie? Fried green cauliflower ears, maybe?

Starting point is 00:19:41 That's a good one. That's a good one. Dustin goes to 10th grade we could do. We could just do a movie about me trying to get my GED. There's some scenes where it's like you hear a choir just, I can still hear mama pray. I can do it man. That'd be awesome. I can get one. Who would play you in a movie, I wonder? You ever think about that? I like Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Starting point is 00:20:12 Does that shoot too high? No, I just think, I don't know if he can do the stuff you can. I think he's getting older. Yeah, he is. But I'm a prime, like Bloodsport Jean-Claude Van Damme. Oh, yeah, that would be sick. Because one day they could make a movie about you, you know, I mean it could be like if I get this fucking gold belt We're gonna have to make a movie. Yeah. Yeah, I remember coming over your house when you had the belt Yeah. Yeah, does it ever feel like you didn't have it cuz there's so many

Starting point is 00:20:41 like There they because you're still interim champion. It's not like champions not in it. No, and I beat a current champion at the time who was the title holder when we fought, you know, it's just, I, I feel like it was a world championship, but people's opinions, you know, is, is what it is. Yeah. Um, now that you have like a win and you've had and you're, it's a good place and it, it takes it like silences some of that self-critic in our head and some of that even fictional

Starting point is 00:21:13 critique from other people that some of it may be there and some of it may not. Do you, do you want to, do you feel like, do I want to risk that again? Like do you think about that at all? Yeah, I do. Like where am I at if I, it doesn't go my way, which is likely, you know, it's fighting. I think I can, I know I can beat anybody in the world. I believe in my skills, but the margin for error out there is one mistake. You wake up asking what happened, you know, you think you're going to the school bus stop,

Starting point is 00:21:42 you know, you wake up like I'm late for school. No, I know late for school. No. No, you dropped out. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, that's too many Dustin's Not In School jokes. But no, that's one of the fun.

Starting point is 00:21:54 Some of the best stuff about your story is that you didn't even finish high school. Never finished ninth grade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man, I always, I love you and your wife's story, man. It's all of it. So hilarious to me, dude. There's so many funny moments you guys have been through together over the years. Yeah, dude. I mean, been together a long time. Been living together since we were 18. So, you know, she was there for the whole fighting journey. And it's been fun, man.

Starting point is 00:22:21 I don't think I've said this before, but I don't think I would be a successful fighter without her. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. Because even like this last loss, like she, I put her through so much stuff after that loss and she was still there for me, you know, every day right by my side, like telling me I'm the best in the world.

Starting point is 00:22:36 Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah man, it's so important having that, huh? For sure. And when I was younger, dude, like I would have been cutting up, running the streets, you know, but I had a mortgage and a wife at home, so I was home every night and at the gym the next day.

Starting point is 00:22:50 So that, you know. Right. It's like a blessing you don't even realize, Polly. Yeah. Because I had to be home. Yeah. You know? Yeah, because you didn't have to be.

Starting point is 00:22:59 Oh, I would have been drinking and partying and I didn't do that, you know? Right. Damn, that's true, man. It's so many little things that are blessings that you can't see until you get some more perspective sometimes. Right. Yeah, dude, one of my, there's that picture of you at the prom. Did they have that when Dustin's in that white, uh?

Starting point is 00:23:14 That was her, that was her, uh, so I was living by myself when I was, I had my own place at 17 years old. And, uh, she was living with her mom then. Yeah, that was her role. That was her, that was her senior prom. That is shit is so good. Cause everybody remembers the dude that wore that to that prom. And that was the only one type of dude that rolled up like that, bro.

Starting point is 00:23:37 That's so cool. Wow, bro. Look at that. Wow. That's wild, huh? What a journey y'all been on. Yeah, man. You used to fight people at the police station out here,

Starting point is 00:23:49 because it would be... So, yeah, I have fought somebody in the yard or the grass of the police station. My place I had when I was 17 was directly across from Lafayette Police Department. Yeah. And one time, this is a crazy story, but one time we went out to a bar.

Starting point is 00:24:05 My brother was playing his guitar there or something, and a guy I was with, I didn't really know him well, he was a friend's friend. Yeah. And he stole somebody's purse at the bar, and then he got caught and called out for it, and we were with him, and I'm like, oh, I mean, then we started walking back to my house and we just got into it and fought, but yeah. Yeah, was it fun, like those street fights, is that kind of more fun,

Starting point is 00:24:27 or you like having a referee in there? Not rather a referee. Yeah. Especially nowadays, man, people are shooting and stabbing. Yeah, that's not fair. No. Yeah, cause now you have the, you're in a space now where you can do, you can run it back, man.

Starting point is 00:24:44 You can feel like you can do it again. You can, if you wanted to, you could retire on a high note. People can retire whenever they want. Yeah. When I was 18, bro, I told my wife, we made an agreement. I wouldn't fight past 35 and I had no, at 18, I had no idea what 35 looked like, but now I'm 35. I'm like, Oh shit, it's here.

Starting point is 00:25:00 I don't, I still feel good. I don't want to stop, you know? So we'll see. I still feel good. Not compete with these young guys. Yeah. I do it every day in the gym and I got bumps and bruises I carry from so many years of fighting. Had a couple surgeries, but I feel good. So what do you think, what does it look like for you? Like are they pushing you? I know you talked about fighting Hamzat. Islam. Islam. Do you think that's going to, like, what do you think is going to happen?

Starting point is 00:25:27 We'll see, man. I think this next pay-per-view UFC 300 is going to have... Might be an announcement? No, no, no. It's in two weeks. Max Holloway is fighting Gachie. Oh yeah, I'm going to go to it. Are you going?

Starting point is 00:25:38 Nah, nah. I'm doing a viewing party in Connecticut. Oh, okay, great. Where is that at, just so people can come check you out? At the Mohegan Sun. Gang, gang. At the Mohegan Sun. But there's two huge title fights on that card. I mean, not title fights, two huge lightweight fights. Oh yeah, this could have a lot to do with you guys. Armand versus Charles and then Gagey versus Holloway. So that's some big fights in the

Starting point is 00:25:58 division. We'll see what happens after that. Wow. Yeah, because- But I've, you know, I've fought three of those four guys already and two of them I've fought twice. Yeah. I know, huh? Yeah, I fought Max twice, fought Justin twice and fought Charles once. Do you have, what kind of outcome would you prefer, do you think? I don't really have a, I think people are kind of looking past Max a little bit.

Starting point is 00:26:25 I think Max can beat Justin, you know, of course Justin could win, but Max is tough, his rhythm, his range and his technique on the feet, you know, unless Justin wrestles a little bit, I think Max can pick him apart and stay on the outside, but that's what makes fighting so fun. We don't know until we watch it. And Charles and Armand, that can go either way. Both great grapplers. I would think Charles would have an advantage standing up, but we got to see.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Yeah, because now if Max went like, yeah, I'm just wondering where do you... Because I got two wins over Max. My last loss was to Justin. If Max beats him, does he stay at 55, or does he go back to 45? What do you think? If you think, do you feel like you have a certain amount of fights left in you, what is that? Yeah, does it start to feel like, that's an interesting thought.

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Starting point is 00:30:05 starting the good habit that much easier. How was it like, what was it like to get, thanks for talking about it with me too, man. Oh, of course. What was it like to get like, because if you were going through like, if there were some real tough, some of your toughest times after the Gachey fight, right? Before the BSD fight. How, what was it that made you able to stay in, like get ready for that next fight?

Starting point is 00:30:33 Cause that's a space where I honestly, I think a lot of people can relate to in their lives. Like, like God, like, I don't feel, I don't feel great right here. Or, you know, there's something in my life that's not perfect or that's not the way I wish it to be. I don't feel great right here. There's something in my life that's not perfect or that's not the way I wish it to be. That's not my will, you know?

Starting point is 00:30:51 And how to get ready then for something still that's important. Like we were talking about earlier, I think just having a name, having a date to circle on my calendar kind of put me in the right direction mentally. Like I knew I had something to work towards. It was a big challenge.

Starting point is 00:31:06 It's a fight. It's what I've been doing my whole life. Like that kind of put me back on the track where I needed to be. Obviously practicing mindfulness and speaking to therapy and talking to my wife and stuff like that was helping along the way. But whenever I got the name and the date for this next fight, everything kind of clicked into, all right, this is what I need to be doing. Wow.

Starting point is 00:31:23 Yeah. It really drowned it out. All the, the idleness of sitting at home or overthinking, all right, this is what I need to be doing. Wow. Yeah, it really drowned it out, all the idleness of sitting at home or overthinking. I had such a big challenge in front of me that that's all I focused on. Everything else like blinders, that's how fighting is for me. Is that part of the reasons why you also took that fight,

Starting point is 00:31:39 you think, cause you're like, I need a goal right now. Yeah, I was in the spot. It just happened they called where I was in the spot. It just happened they called where I was in the spot of my life. And mentally, in a place where whatever name they called with, I would say yes, I just needed a challenge. Because I needed to be at war with something else

Starting point is 00:31:54 besides myself, because I was fighting myself every day. Yeah. Man, that's fascinating. Yeah, so many times I'll sit around fighting myself instead of picking up, like putting something on the calendar that is something I could be a goal. Yeah. Be something I could try and conquer a challenge.

Starting point is 00:32:12 Man. If I'm not if I'm not at war with something I'm at war with myself. That's crazy. Yeah, man. And sometimes I don't even realize it. I'm sitting there. I'm pitching and hitting against. I don't even know what's going on.

Starting point is 00:32:24 Yeah. And definitely down on what's going on. Yeah. And definitely down on the judge's scorecards. Yeah. I'm not winning the decision. Yeah. Bro, I'll be the judge, dude, and I'll fucking be giving myself shitty fucking score. I'll be the judge and the jury.

Starting point is 00:32:39 I'm like, this guy sucks. He's guilty. Yeah, guilty, man. God, that's the same way I am, man. But it's good too, because that mindset and having that work problem, if you focus it on something, you could really go far. Right.

Starting point is 00:32:55 Right. It's that same. It's a gift that occurs. Yes. But recognize it. Having some ability to see it is also a gift. Because when you're just in it and you're just a victim of all that and you just keep doing it,

Starting point is 00:33:06 you're reactive only, that's when it feels like it can feel catastrophic sometimes. But then also it can feel that's the same stuff that just gives you unending motivation. So do you know for yourself? Do you have a fight that you want or you don't know yet? I want to fight for the belt. That's what I want. That's the last thing I have to do in this sport is be the Undisputed World Champion. After I do that, anything you can do in the sport I've done.

Starting point is 00:33:32 Right. You know, I have 30 fights in the UFC, been fighting a long time before the UFC. Like that's the last thing I have to do. Yeah. Yeah. But also I don't want to attach myself to it too much to where if it doesn't happen or if I never get another title shot, that I judge my life's work on that. I don't want to leave it like that. So I'm just really practicing trying to be content in the place and space that I'm in. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:33:58 I felt like when you won that fight, it's interesting how much... I was in that bar. Me and my comedian friend, Amir like I was in that bar, like me and my um, uh, comedian friend Amir, we're in this bar in Australia, we're watching. And I'm like holding onto some guy and they don't even know, like everybody's just, people were on their edge of their seat. There was like some guy left his wife right there in it. Like people were lot, like there was just so much going on, man.

Starting point is 00:34:23 But it felt like you almost felt the whole planet it felt like taking an exhale like yeah like it felt like things were possible that's what was craziest about it i think and somebody had a great tweet it was like uh dustin for humanity and i was like man that's exactly how it felt. It was like. The underdog came through again, man. Yes. I think it made everybody just feel like, oh, there's still things that can happen in the world

Starting point is 00:34:54 that, like a guy stands a fighting chance. For sure. Yeah. Dude, I've, I miss the bounce back. Every time I take an L, I come back. Yeah. You know, I come back and it's a challenge to myself every time because I've never lost two fights in a row.

Starting point is 00:35:08 Getting knocked out by Gagey, jumping right back in camp, unsure of the future. I was in a bad place. What if I lose this fight? Where am I going to be at then? But to get my hand raised and put on a performance like that is just like, fuck, man. Hard work pays off.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah. Dude, that strut after. what did Trump say to you after the fight? I couldn't hear what he was saying. I was talking to Dana and then I was somebody sitting next to Dana was telling me they bet like 200K on me or something like that. And I was trying to get my 20% from him. That's what I was talking about. Yeah. Yeah. You're just walking around collecting, bro. Like, hey. Always be closing. The work is done, baby. We got to collect here.

Starting point is 00:35:46 It looks like I'm talking to Trump, but I'm talking to somebody, Dana, and somebody sitting next to him. Oh, I see. Yeah. You're doing good. You're great. You're phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:35:55 Vice president. Yeah, that's unbelievable, man. God. What is that? How soon do you, after you say you end up knocking someone out, what's the appropriate amount of time before you have to go over there and check on them? Well, I guess everyone's different.

Starting point is 00:36:12 But he was kind of sitting down for a while. And the ref was waiting for us to get in the middle. So I kind of helped him walk to the middle, talk to him a little bit. It just depends how bad it is and how much they're moving, you know? Right. You never know.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Man, that's so wild. Yeah, because I guess, can you kind of tell how, because you haven't been knocked out or gotten knocked unconscious, you know what it's like. I mean, you guys have that throughout your careers. Because nobody's around to knockouts as much as you guys. Do you start to gauge how well a guy is after a kind of thing? See, like, I've been in the corner of so many guys who have been knocked out and I've been

Starting point is 00:36:52 around fights for so long. So I kind of see when people go back to the locker room and they don't even remember what happened. They keep asking the same questions over and over again. Like, that's when you know it's serious. Wow. Yeah. So I didn't see, I didn't go to his locker room

Starting point is 00:37:05 and speak to him after, so I don't know where he was, but he seemed like he shook back pretty quick in there. He was talking pretty clear. Yeah. Yeah. Has Dana and Shawn, have they offered you a title match yet? No. Okay. No.

Starting point is 00:37:18 I don't know what's next, but I think we're gonna hear soon. You think that? Yeah, I know. Oh, that seems interesting. Yeah. News alert. seems interesting. Yeah. News alert. Breaking news. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:30 What about boxing? You see this stuff? Do you start to think as you get further in your career that there's a lot of people fighting, going to boxing? Tyson Pedro just went to boxing. Did he? Yep. Wow.

Starting point is 00:37:45 He just started, there's guys who go like, that'll fight like in the Jake Paul, you know, in that world. Right. Do you see yourself ever doing something like that? Would you ever count something like that out or? I just, I'm 35 and I have, you know, I think five fights, six fights left on my current contract with UFC. I don't know if I'm ever gonna fight that out,. You know, am I going to fight six more times and become a free agent? I don't, I don't know, but I would love to box. Yeah. So even if you were to go to boxing, do you have, does that UFC have to have a part in that fight? If I'm, well, if you're still in the contract, if I fight whatever's left on my contract and I'm free agent, that can do

Starting point is 00:38:22 whatever I want. Right. Yeah. But if not, and there's not like an equal parting, then even if you were to go do boxing, like Tyron Woodley went and boxed? He was out of his contract. Oh, he was out of his contract. Yeah. I think the only person who's ever done that is Conor, where UFC was co-promoted it and got a cut of it.

Starting point is 00:38:38 But it was such a big fight. Everybody won. That makes sense. Other than that, I don't think the UFC would like, let anybody do that. Yeah, because it would open up a can of worms. I think it would just open up a crazy can of worms. We're now, Dana, he doesn't want to,

Starting point is 00:38:52 it doesn't seem like help promote a lot of that. Yeah, and he's built the UFC, the brands is so strong now. I don't know if they want to give any other brands the rub by co-promoting and stuff like that. Yeah. And we fight mixed martial arts, you know, boxing is a part of mixed martial arts, but it's a whole different thing, man. Do you think it would be something like when you think about that,

Starting point is 00:39:12 is it something that's kind of interesting or do you feel like, uh, I just like mixed martial arts? Cause you're great on your, you know, one of your, like even with BSD or BDS, I can't remember, but he, um. BSD or BDS, I can't remember, but he... BSD. BSD. He, it felt like he didn't, they didn't want to have you on the feet that much, you know?

Starting point is 00:39:31 Yeah. It felt like it wasn't a preference of his. Right. Just watching. And every time we went to the ground, I took myself down. I never got taken down once by him. I was jumping guillotines, you know, ending up on my back. Yeah. I never got taken down, but we worked wrestling really hard at camp. We thought he was going to be diving

Starting point is 00:39:46 for my legs, you know. He just seemed a little bit slow on the feet and you know, if you stand in front of me, he didn't have great head movement in his fights, the videos we watched. If you stand in front of me, like I'm going to get you, you know, something's going to land that's going to hurt you, especially over five rounds. That's why I asked the UFC for it to be 25 minute fight. I didn't want to do three rounds because if this guy pushes me against the fence and I lose one round, you know, like, I think the better fighter wins over the long run.

Starting point is 00:40:12 So I asked them for five rounds and they gave it to us. Yeah, what are those moments like when you're just up against the fence and it just feels like two neighbors kind of just like are having an issue about something. Bro, fighting is like when you're not touching each other, like when you're squared off, like feinting and throwing punches,

Starting point is 00:40:34 that's just like, it's chaotic. But when you get to the fence or you get on the ground and you're kind of pummeling and stuff like that, that's when like reality sets in where you get like a moment of clarity, like, oh shit, this is happening. Oh, damn, I'm against the fence. He's kneeing me. But like, you don't think you don't have time to think when you're fighting, like if you're

Starting point is 00:40:49 scrambling on the ground or throwing combinations and blocking kicks and firing punches back, it's kind of chaotic. You're not thinking, you're just reacting. But whenever you get to the fence and a guy's clenching you and you have time to think you're like, oh shit, that's when it sets in. This is happening. Wow. Yeah. Cause you almost have moments, there's times where you see the fighters kind of look around or they'll just be locked in a moment and they'll just kind of engage with somebody almost. Yeah, it's surreal.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Like when that moment of clarity sets in, when the fight slows down a little bit, it's pretty crazy, man. Because then you can hear the crowd. Sometimes I can hear the commentators, like I'll hear Joe Rogan through the fence talking. It's crazy. If boxing, yeah, so who would you fight if you had to do a celebrity boxing match?

Starting point is 00:41:29 Do you have any thoughts on it ever? Biden, maybe? Oh, dude. Yeah, he already lost that one. The bell might wobble him when it starts. You ready? Fight. Ding!

Starting point is 00:41:40 He's like, oh, shit. Yeah, I think even if they let him use like 12 year old kids as smelling salts though, I think he might bounce back, you know, or fight Hunter Biden. Oh, that would be a good one. Coked up. Sure. Yeah. That would be a good one.

Starting point is 00:41:56 I'd hate to fight all coked up. Yeah. It'd be the worst. Um, yeah, I'm trying to think of something else I was going to ask you about. They should do Trump Biden. They should do, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be a going, that'll be a pay-per-view blockbuster. Yeah. I wonder who would actually, well, Trump would probably win, I think from pushing him over. I don't know if Trump, Trump has, does this. He has like that. Seems a little bit more pep in his step. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:26 Yeah, he might have a little bit more. I'd bet the money line on that one, Trump. Did you, can you bet on yourself legally? I used to be able to. Ever since like maybe a year ago, they put in that rule, we can't. So I completely stopped. But I still bet on boxing and football and stuff.

Starting point is 00:42:44 Can anyone in your house that could be your- But I bet on myself, sorry to cut you off, I bet on myself a bunch of times coming up. Yeah? Like when I first started fighting in Vegas, you know? Oh yeah. Really? What's the most that you ever bet on yourself, you think?

Starting point is 00:42:54 Not much, maybe 500, a thousand maybe. That's a lot though when you're coming up. Yeah, that was a lot. That's a lot, dude. But I don't know if I've ever laid $1,000 on somebody. Maybe I have. I can't get in one of my accounts, so I haven't even been able to bet on you in a lot dude. But I don't know if I've ever laid a thousand dollars on somebody, maybe I have. I can't get in one of my accounts. So I haven't even been able to bet on you in a long time. But-

Starting point is 00:43:10 That last one would have been a good one. I know. I think by knockout, I was like plus 370. Oh God. I gotta fucking figure out. I think they stole my money. But yeah, I don't even know what company it was. But yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:23 What do you think, man? I was going to say this. A lot of people are talking about aliens all the time, and I'm talking about Joe Rogan. But if they attack us, right, and we have to send five UFC fighters to save the planet, you get to go, right, and you have to pick four to go with you. Who do you think you got?

Starting point is 00:43:43 Like current fighters or just all time? Ooh, let's say current just to keep it. Yeah. John Jones for sure. Oh, yeah. John Jones for sure. Why, because of the length? He's the best at do it.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Right. Yeah. And he's big. And he's big. Yeah. So we got that. Maybe get a small person. We need like a 125er or something.

Starting point is 00:44:03 Maybe the champ Pantoja. So we got a big guy, got a small guy. Pantoja speaks Spanish too, and I don't know what aliens speak, but. That's good to have some diversity on our side. You got to maybe toss a girl in there too. Yeah. Because we might, you never know. Yeah. Who's the new girl that just came over from PFL?

Starting point is 00:44:18 Yeah. Kayla Harrison. Kayla Harrison. Toss her on the team too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you got Kayla Harrison, John Jones, Pantages. Pantoja.

Starting point is 00:44:26 Pantoja, sorry. All right. And damn, do we need another big guy, you think? How big are these aliens? Well, I'll say this. A lot of them, their lateral movement struggles, but they can like blink and order Starbucks. So it's a lot of mental game.

Starting point is 00:44:42 You might need a. Dang. I'd bring Gagey. You know, I'd bring Gagey. Yeah, you guys are warriors. He can go on the front line with the wrecking ball. Just, we'll send him over first. Yeah, there you go.

Starting point is 00:44:54 Yeah. Yeah, they asked for somebody else, but you just tell him it was him. And he just fucking goes. They want you over there, buddy. Yeah. He would go anyway, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:02 One of the best things I ever saw was like one of the first UFC fights I ever went to. He's just backstage. He's in the backstage and literally just walking around looking, almost looking like he's ready to fight anybody. He's like, I'm ready to fight anybody. He was fighting that night? No, he wasn't.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Oh, man. That was the crazy part. But it was just like showing up, like showing I'm ready, you know? Yeah. It seems like there's a lot of like, like, cause you just get so few chances to show your shine in your sport. Well, every, dude, every time we go out there, it's the Super Bowl, you know?

Starting point is 00:45:32 It's not like we have, we train three or four months to prepare for this moment. It could be 15 to 25 minutes, the whole world's watching. There's no redo's, there's no finger pointing, you know, my teammates weren't picking up the slack or whatever, it's all you. And if you lose, it's going to be a while till you get that opportunity again. So every one's a Super Bowl.

Starting point is 00:45:50 You know, it's such every fight's the biggest fight. Damn. It's exciting, but it's scary at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what makes it so appealing to so many people. I mean, the sport's grown so much since you've been in it. Have you felt that as a competitor? 100%.

Starting point is 00:46:07 Really? Yeah, big time. Not as a competitor, but as a fan of the sport and just watching it grow in the new fan base. Because when I first started, it was older. Older men watching this, now kids. And even grandmothers are talking about fighting at the grocery store.

Starting point is 00:46:22 If I go get some groceries right now, I'm going to run into somebody and it can be, back in the day it was just like old dudes with beards talking about MMA. Now it's such a big sport. Everybody's kids are talking about it. Soccer moms are talking about it. It's cool to see the growth, but it's just crazy the different wave of fans that come in with that.

Starting point is 00:46:42 You know? Did you feel the growth like being in the ring and, has the size of venues that you guys have been in changed and stuff too over the years? Yeah, the crowd. What's that been like? The crowds. Well, when I first started fighting in Vegas, it was at the Palms.

Starting point is 00:46:52 It might've, I don't even know, 1,500, 2,000 at the, yeah. Really? And it was, that was the UFC Fight Night? That was WEC. UFC, they did big events like 10,000, or they'd go to the MGM or the Mandalay. They might have like 18,000. It was big, but they would only do pay-per-views every few months.

Starting point is 00:47:09 You know, now there's a fight every week. Yeah. Every week. That's another thing that was cool at the beginning of fighting too, when I first got to the UFC, like you win a big fight. That win, that high lasted for months because that's how long it was until the next event. Oh, so you, yeah, you got to be the real...

Starting point is 00:47:23 Everybody's still talking about that last card. Now you went on a Saturday. It's already, you, you, by the time you fly back home, it's fight week again for somebody, you know, so the, the focus of the media and everything switches to the new, the new guys coming up. So I've noticed that big time. Yeah. It's kind of a blessing and a curse. Cause also then if you don't get the win, it's like that goes away pretty quick too. Right. Cause somebody's getting fucked up the next Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. And you're almost hoping somebody gets really fucked up so that people forget quicker. Yeah. I hope somebody gets kicked in the head.

Starting point is 00:47:52 That way they're talking about that one. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Cause I remember Dominic, Dominic Ray, Ray, Ray S. No, Dominic Cruz also got a head a head kickhead kick that win. Oh, Cheeto. Cheeto. Oh, that was against Cheeto, huh? Yeah. Cheeto's a cool dude, man. Yeah, Cheeto's a neat guy, man. Oh, it was powerful to see him go against Sean to stay in there. Dude, he took some damage.

Starting point is 00:48:16 Man, he did. That knee? Oh, my God. I had to rewatch it because I was doing media right after the fight, so I missed it, but I went home and watched it. Yeah. It made my throat hurt for some reason. He's never been finished, bro. Never. Yeah. I think he wanted to stand on that. It was amazing how Shawn is just like...

Starting point is 00:48:39 Oh my god, bro. Pes dispenser. Bro, I feel like, yeah. I feel like you. That ain't good for you. Somebody just opened up a pecan. Yeah, cracked a pecan right there. Remember that sound, bro? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:51 You guys had pecan trees in your yard growing up? Yeah, I used to gather them up and go sell them. So I could, that was beer money. Was it? Oh yeah. Yeah, bro. Yeah, when I was growing up, dude, a sack of pecans was something nice, dude.

Starting point is 00:49:03 I don't even know what they're going for now, but I used to have the tools where it rolls on the ground and picks them up. Yeah, dude, we used to go pick them up. My buddy Robert, he was kind of, his parents thought he was haunted or whatever because he had some, his mom was a nurse or whatever, but his dad was out of work. But we would go over to his house, they had a couple of pecan trees. We'd go pick them up. And sometimes you get them maybe a little too early.

Starting point is 00:49:29 Yeah, they're green, they're bitter. Yeah, you still have it, but you don't, you wish you hadn't had it. Yeah, sometimes you gotta shake the tree to make them fall too. Really? Damn. You never threw like sticks up in the tree to make them fall? No, we throw sticks,

Starting point is 00:49:40 but I wouldn't over there just fucking shaking that fish too. Oh yeah, climb up, get on a branch, shake it down. Tie to Ivassa or something. Yeah bro. You can shake it. It's a hell of a retreat. Those bitches up, man. Like Louisiana, we're the only people that call them Pocons. Everywhere it's Pican and you've traveled a lot.

Starting point is 00:49:57 I hear Pocon a lot. You hear Pocon outside of... No, that's true. I don't. Oh, look at this right here. About to shake that bad boy. Oh yeah. Mr. Weather Oh, look at this right here. About to shake that bad boy. Oh yeah. Mr. Weatherall, look at this thing. I don't know what's going on here, man. This dude, this looks like he's...

Starting point is 00:50:16 Look at that. Ooh, Shorty getting... Look at all the popcorns falling. Twerk team. Shorty getting wicked, huh? Shaking him branches, boy. Damn, they need to do a Mr. Weatherall remix to this then. Look at that. That thing shake what your mama gave you, huh?

Starting point is 00:50:31 You know what I mean? Bruh, that's crazy. I wonder how many it says they got. Did he say? That's unbelievable. I mean, that's thousands of pecans falling. Because you know the green thing that goes around them, you know when they're ready, it opens up, it looks like.

Starting point is 00:50:41 And then it has a shell in there. Right, but if you shake that when they're open like that, bro, they'll all fall. Bro, pecans were so good. Sometimes you would get them at the right exact time and it would be a little bit sweet. Yeah. Oh, that was so nice, bro.

Starting point is 00:50:56 I loved having that. I like them fresh like that, yeah. Get you a little snack, they were pretty good. What we got in the news? Nick? Drake gifted Sexy Red, Aiden Ross, J. Cole, and 21 Savage a heart chain, but many people did not think it looked like a heart.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Oh wow, that's a scrotum. Yeah, bro, that's a different set of book cards. That's a bean bag right there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a... set of bookmarks. That's a bean bag right there. Yeah, yeah, that's a... It's got veins on it and everything. Damn, he gave that to people to wear on their neck? Dude, I'm not wearing some mixed guys nuts on my neck.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Okay, I don't know how... I don't care even if it matches with the belt I have. You ever see the big trucks with the balls hanging off the back on the toe? That's what that looks like, bro. Have you ever seen the big trucks with the balls hanging off the back on the toe? That's what that looks like. Is that some kind of ownership thing if you send somebody's nuts to somebody? That to me seems like I wouldn't like if somebody sent me their nuts, even if it was a hero of mine, you know, even if it was damn, uh, trying to think of somebody.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Willie Nelson or whatever. Right? That dude sends me a golden nuts. I ain't wearing them bitches, dude. I love them, but I'm not wearing them bitches. What if Lance Armstrong send you one nut? Would you wear that? I'd wear maybe just an earring.

Starting point is 00:52:24 Yeah. Especially if I'm biking, I'd wear maybe just an earring. Especially if I'm biking, I'd wear that big. Just one. Solo. Bro, having one nut has to be cool. It's almost like mistletoe, I feel like. I feel like at that point. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:39 Yeah, I think having one nut has got to be a unique thing. Two nuts, I don't want more than two, I know that. Yeah, not two is the perfect amount. Yeah, two really is, huh? Yeah, it's balance, your balance. Yeah, you almost can juggle it, but you can't, you know? It's kind of a reminder. Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:56:41 That's betterh-e-l-p, help dot com slash Theo and we thank BetterHelp for supporting this podcast. What else we got in the news Nick? Governor DeSantis enacted a social media ban for children under 14. It's supposed to go into effect January 1st and kids 14 to 16 need their parents permission. My wife was just talking about that. Really? Yeah. Florida Governor Ron Nissen has signed one of the country's most restrictive social media bills into law Monday banning children under the age of 14 from having accounts and requiring

Starting point is 00:57:17 children aged 14 to 16 have parental consent to hold one. Huh. What do you think about that? You guys have a child, D, what's that like for you? Do you think about this kind of stuff and the effects it could have on your kid? For sure, man. Yeah, we do.

Starting point is 00:57:30 And she's not on social media or anything like that, but she does have an iPad we give her on the weekends she can use. Like Friday night, Saturday night, when she's out of school, she's on it, you know? Or if we're traveling, she'll watch movies and play games on her iPad, but. Yeah, I don't think it's good. You know, like being at that age, 14, start, you know, high school,

Starting point is 00:57:51 your friends and who's popular at school, you know, it affects you like you're, I don't know, it's hard to put into words, but it's a big deal, man. Think about how tough it was without this. Yeah. Now you have this and it's just, you see the bullying and stuff like that on there. I don't think a kid can handle all that. Yeah, I agree. I mean, well, they have so many kids

Starting point is 00:58:10 that have had taken their lives, had a lot of issues with online bullying. And as a parent, the scary thing as a parent, you don't even know it's happening sometimes, I think. So that's probably one of the things I think would probably be good if they had. But also, like raising a kid, all of her friends are going to be on social media when they get that age and she might be the weird one out if we don't let her.

Starting point is 00:58:31 It's a weird place to be in. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of parents don't set controls on their kids' social media. They just think the kid isn't going to get into stuff, you know? Yeah. But I think, yeah, I don't have any children. But yeah, it would seem like as a parent, you gotta make those choices

Starting point is 00:58:45 because your child's not really gonna, they're gonna make some of them, but you gotta really look out for your kid at all in every space. And that's crazy, because somebody could get to your child through social media, it's just so wild, you know?

Starting point is 00:58:57 Right, and just the stuff they're exposed to, man, the internet's a wild place. Oh, it's horrible, dude. She has like kids YouTube, we have like the parental settings and stuff on that. She can go on YouTube on our stuff. But yeah, I don't want her seeing. Even some stuff on YouTube is crazy.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What else did I say? Oh, I saw that kid still hitting home runs. You see that kid? Big Al. Remember him?

Starting point is 00:59:21 Big Al? No. The children's, uh... He was a, um... Child. An Italian child, I think he's... Remember he hits, uh... What did he call it? This guy would hit home runs all the time.

Starting point is 00:59:45 Hi, my name's Alfred D'Alia. At home they call me Big Al and I hit Dangers. Hi, my name's Alfred D'Alia. At home they call me Big Al and I hit Dangers. And he grew up. Oh, it's him as an adult? Yeah, he's still hitting Dangers. Dangers. That's gotta be heavy for kids. Yeah, I think kids, yeah, because if something happens to you when you're a kid and it goes big on social media, then you're that kid forever. If you're like the kid that like yells a slur or something or calls somebody a GAY or something when they're on,

Starting point is 01:00:12 like, dental gas or whatever, and then that's who you are forever. Like, you can run for mayor years later on that, you know? The dental gas will get you. Oh, god. That shit is fun, huh? You ever get any good gas, any good stuff to huff out there? Whippets back in the day, not the dental gas.

Starting point is 01:00:32 Back when I used to work at a restaurant, we used to crack them whippets. Oh, dude, the whipped cream, whenever they finally put it on dessert, that shit was just kind of dribbling out of there, bro. It was dribbling out of my lungs. Yeah, bro, there was nothing left for that. I was kind of dribbling out of it. It was dribbling out of my lungs. Yeah, bro. There was nothing left for that.

Starting point is 01:00:47 There was no whipped cream left for your dessert. What's the number one fight that you would make outside of your division? Is there a fight that? I really want to see the 145 pound champ, Toporia. I want to see him fight Max. You do? Yeah, because like, Volk was the only guy.

Starting point is 01:01:04 Max couldn't beat at 45. He's pretty much cleaned out the division. Now there's a new young blood, great striker, good grappler. I think that would be an incredible fight, man. Max versus Toporia. Yeah, that's wild, because who just called him out? So Sugar Sean just called him out? Hold on, Toporia, that would be a going too.

Starting point is 01:01:20 Yeah. Yeah, that would be a going. Do Max and Sugar Sean, are they in the same division? No. Max is 45, Sean's 135. Okay, wow. But Sean's pretty tall, you know, pretty decent size for the division, but Max is a lot thicker than him. So, but Sean might move up out of his division. I don't know. I'm not sure.

Starting point is 01:01:39 Yeah. He was talking about it. Do you think about that for any more of your fights? Are you happy in your division? I'm happy. Like a lot of people wanted me to go up to 170. But dude, like this morning I weighed myself when I woke up. I was 173. You know, I can't fight at 170 pounds.

Starting point is 01:01:55 Those guys are going to rehydrate and be 190 for fight night. You know? Yeah. Like at the top, at the highest level, a guy with 20 pounds on you on fight night, you know, in grappling positions and side control half guard is just that weight really matters when guys not to use it. Yeah. Yeah. What about um this guy you ever heard him blood diamond is his name? Yeah. Is he's out of Sonia's friend? Yeah. Yeah. I don't I think I've seen him fight but I don't

Starting point is 01:02:22 know much about him. I wonder if there'd ever be a fight for like the real, you know, the less. You know, the, the He's a 55? No, what is he's 170 if you'd ever go up just to put an end to the Like I would fight at 170 if it was like a really, really big fight, but I'm not trying to make a run in the welterweight division, man. Those guys are huge. Yeah. I used to get a lot heavier though. Like the last couple years I've been walking around a lot lighter.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Really? Yeah, outside of training camp I've been eating clean, you know, before I would get in shape during camp and then after the fight eat pizza every day and enjoy life, you know, but I've, the older I got, the easier it is for me to just eat healthy and be all right. I don't need to eat all that crazy stuff. Right, you just start caring about you. You just start having more of a general care about yourself. Oh yeah, I saw this right here. Furious parents offered version of school class photo without complex needs pupils.

Starting point is 01:03:22 So you can pay more money and if your school has like special needs kids or whatever they'll take them out of the photos at school. Huh? I mean that's crazy to me dude. That's, it's just everything you got to pay for now. Soon they're gonna make it, they're gonna start, every kid is on crutches in the picture right? So and if you pay a little bit more, then a couple kids come off crutches, then somebody gets, you know, somebody, every kid like loses like body hair or whatever. It's just, it's gonna get, I feel like you have to keep paying to get an actual picture of your child, you know? Yeah. No, I didn't see that.

Starting point is 01:04:06 But yeah, everybody's going to start in a wheelchair and the more you pay, then you finally get. Get the crutches from the wheelchair. Yeah, yeah. A boot, no crutches. Yeah, we keep moving up. Just an arm brace. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:15 Shoulder sling, the more you pay. Yeah, neck brace. Right. That's ridiculous. Oh, man. Yeah, what do you feel like, man? Do you feel like you're getting towards the end of your career? Do you feel like you're just figuring it out? Do you feel like it's up to you?

Starting point is 01:04:33 Do you feel like it's up to the UFC? What does it feel like? It's definitely up to me. And my wife, my coaches, they want me to keep going. My wife wants me to stop on my coaches. No, I still have it. I'm just taking it one fight at a time. I still feel good.

Starting point is 01:04:50 Like I said, my wife wants me to stop though. My daughter wants me to stop too. Oh, she does? Yeah. What did she say? Yeah, well, like what is that like? Because at a certain point it kind of turns on for your kid what's going on. She's old enough now.

Starting point is 01:05:01 She knows that I fight, you know, she knows what it is. And she wants me to be home. You know, when I do camps, I'm going for eight weeks. They'll come out for two weeks. We try not to do more than two weeks apart. So I'll do like the first two weeks and they'll meet me and I'll do the last two weeks. But she doesn't want me to fight anymore. She doesn't want to see me come home with stitches. You know, since she was a baby, she's been like pulling stitches out of my face and stuff after fights. Oh, that's insane. Yeah, it's almost that's almost like on a Lady and the tramp when the kids meet at the spaghetti or something a little bit. It's a different version of that. Yeah

Starting point is 01:05:34 Where the puppies meet or whatever? What's your favorite business you have out you you got involved in some businesses outside of work man What's that been like for you becoming more of like a business guy? Is that enough of a thing to entertain you enough outside of the sport and to keep you busy enough? Has that started to tip the scales enough? I think that's another thing that happens in people's lives who also have the opportunity to get into business is, at a certain point, the business can start to become something that still appeases them

Starting point is 01:06:10 and makes them feel busy, like you like to stay busy. Yeah, but it's about balance. I can't do too much of the business because it takes away from the fighting, and fighting's still my main thing. But the business stuff keeps me busy. It's fun, it's new. I'm learning a lot.

Starting point is 01:06:28 I have the hot sauce, have a bourbon, have a liquor store in Lafayette. Hopwater, I'm a partner with them. You know, just have a lot of stuff going on outside of fighting that keeps me busy. And it's, that's good, man. You know, like I said, I have to be busy. I have to be busy. Yeah. But it's, but it's balance. Yeah, it's a balance. So right now you train right now? Yeah. I'm gonna go box tonight and this Friday I'm gonna do jiu-jitsu, but I'm still training. Okay. Five mile frats.

Starting point is 01:06:57 What do y'all do? Five mile Sundays? Five mile Sundays. Yeah. Five miles is fun, huh? Yeah. I do it fasted. Like at the end of my training camp I do 24 hour fasts and then

Starting point is 01:07:06 finish my fast with the run then I'll break my fast you know like. For run Madonna or whatever? Nothing huh? Yeah. That's not it no. No it's similar. Yeah. Yeah somebody was doing that yeah at this vape shop. It is Ramadan right now yeah. It's gotta be yeah this fucking guy wouldn't shut up about it. A mirror probably. Yeah could have been a mirror but yeah this fucking guy wouldn't shut up about it a mirror problem Yeah, could have been a mirror. But yeah, this guy fucking faping. I'm like dude if you vape enough fucking watermelon, that's counts as eating If you do 200 puffs, dude, that's counts as eating April 9th What other Avenue can we go down here Dustin? Is there something else that you want to think about or like that? You've been doing man. Um have you been doing, man?

Starting point is 01:07:47 I've been doing pretty good, dude. I think I still, yeah, everything has been fun. I think sometimes I get busy with work, and it feels like I don't even know what I'm doing. You're just almost going through the motions sometimes. So it's like that feels tough sometimes. Or it just feels like a challenge, I guess. Like, am I doing anything that means anything?

Starting point is 01:08:12 Or am I just like, showing up to work each day? Like clocking in? Yeah. Even though it's your own job and things you want to be doing, it still like, sometimes it feels like that. What else? Yeah, I still have a lot of trouble feeling proud of myself. I think about that kind of stuff a lot. And I talked about that with people on the podcast,

Starting point is 01:08:36 just like what it's like to, it's just so hard for me to, people are always like, man, you should take a moment and just feel happy. And it's like, it just, I always wanna, there's always a part of me that's trying to figure out the next thing, you know? It's really hard to just feel good about something, you know?

Starting point is 01:08:56 So I don't know what that's about. What else outside of that? Your show's going good in Louisiana? Yeah, dude. We had fun. That was some of my best shows, man. I know you guys came out to the last one at UNO. And that was awesome. We still have a lot of people to talk about that you were there. I ran into a guy at the gym the other day. He's like, Yeah, you brought out dust and that was awesome.

Starting point is 01:09:19 But we had some great shows this weekend. Nice. I just got a Cybertruck, too. Oh, you were telling me that. Yeah. You got it? Yeah. How is it?

Starting point is 01:09:30 It's wild, bro. I mean, for one, you feel like you kind of work at Lowe's kind of a little, because it feels like you're supposed to be delivering something to somebody, but you never drop it off. What do you put back there? Well, no, it's just the whole car feels a little bit like an appliance. So it feels like sometimes somebody's

Starting point is 01:09:50 just going to open up the back and just put a TV dinner in it. It just has this like kind of, or just put a load of laundry in there, just press a button. It has an appliancey kind of feel. But then it makes this sound when you go fast, and it literally feels like you're going into the future. Nice. And some people don't know what it is.

Starting point is 01:10:10 Like there was a guy who like, I don't know if he was homeless or not, but he just seemed really homeless. And he was like, what is it? What is it? You know, and then he just kind of started yelling at it and just cracked a beer open. And I was like, what is that? You know, and then he just kind of started yelling at it and just cracked a beer open. And I was like, God.

Starting point is 01:10:30 I feel a little bit like, because people look over at it and then, well, first I thought the windows were tinted, right? And they're not. So I'm like, Elon, fucking how much are tinted these windows? Probably like 112 bucks, bro. and I ordered this bitch for you yeah oh you got a buddy here will do it oh yeah yeah bro I gotta pull up on somebody bro get some of that swamp dog you know something bro just get it a little bit brackish you know yeah yeah um sure

Starting point is 01:10:58 but so that's interesting I think I was a little bit embarrassed like at first like because everybody looks at it and you kind of don't want to be the center of attention sometimes. So you're like, and, and yeah, and I thought it was, so I'm in there like just being alive and shit. And you're like, oh, everybody can see in here. I thought nobody could see in. Because people would be at stoplights just recording a lot of times.

Starting point is 01:11:21 And I'd be like, I'm safe in here, you know? And then I'm not. And so that was dumb. But yeah, what's it like? It definitely feels like the future some. It looks like the future. Yeah. They have big tires on them, right?

Starting point is 01:11:37 Yeah, the tires feel like, they almost feel like they're from some vehicle, some vehicle out of like a sci-fi movie or something. It's got a sci-fi kind of feel to it. I've only seen once, one in person. Yeah. In Miami, yeah. You did? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:54 What was it like? At first I was like, I don't know how I feel about it, but it's growing on me for sure. It looks strange to me. It's cool, it's different. Yeah, I was surprised. I ordered it four years ago and I got home and my buddy John Shahidi is close with Elon

Starting point is 01:12:09 and they just got me like an early one of it. Four years? Yeah, I ordered it four years ago, I think. When did that order go out for Tesla first? I didn't even know about them four years ago. Yeah, they started taking orders. Yeah, Tesla can be 2019. I'll put that $100 down on that site.

Starting point is 01:12:29 Yeah. Because you've got to think, even if a million people put on it, that's $100 million bucks they made right there. That's a lot of trucks to make. I mean, it's calling October. And I said demand was off the charts. And over one million people have paid $100. There you go.

Starting point is 01:12:41 Fundable deposit for the Cybertruck. So you think there's news we're going to hear Dustin, that's what I'm feeling out of you? We'll see. We'll see. Okay, that's fair, man. Cool, bro. You're going to be, people can come and see you at the Anthony Pettis? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:03 In Indiana next weekend, Anthony Pettis has his own fight promotion. They're doing a big event up there I'll be watching fights with the fans signing autographs hanging out. Okay And also UFC 300 I'll be at the Mohegan Sun doing a viewing party a big sports book there So we're gonna be watching the fights. Okay bad. Oh Nice, man And then you're going are you gonna the fights. OK, bet. Oh, nice, man. And then you're going to go see Tiago fight this week? So yeah, Tiago's fighting Perry.

Starting point is 01:13:32 Mike Perry, huh? Yeah, in LA. I want to go to it. I'm just not sure yet. Yeah, god, that's going to be wild. Yeah, it's going to be insane, bro. Is this Tiago's first bare-knuckle fight? No, no, he was a champion.

Starting point is 01:13:42 Oh, he was? Oh, I got to get up on game, man. Yeah, have you ever been to a bare-knuckle event? No, no he was a champion. Oh he was? I gotta get up on game man. Yeah have you ever been to a bare-knuckle event? No. Bro, it's different. I don't know if I'm ready. Like the bone on bone? Oh man. It's rough, it's rough. Oh yeah. There's a gotta be. There he is right there. Oh my god. There's a lot of organ donors in there. Dude, Thiago is so tough man. He's a vet, legend of the game. Bro. Great coach as well. The nicest guy. I so tough, man. He's a vet, legend of the game. Great coach as well.

Starting point is 01:14:06 The nicest guy. If you didn't tell me that, I would not even think it. Yeah. He's solid, man. Wow. I think that last fight, though, he like came to the gym the next week. His hand looked like a balloon, like a glove,

Starting point is 01:14:20 doctor glove that you blow up or something. It was just like puffy. He broke his fingers and knuckles and. Cool. Yeah. That's wild. That's going to be a war, man. Isn't it so amazing how Mike Perry has found

Starting point is 01:14:33 such a home in this sport? This is perfect for him, man. He's the face of bare-knuckle fighting now, you know? So wild. His style and his grit, just how crazy he is, this is perfect for him. Yeah, it's amazing how it all kind of like things evolve where there is a space for everybody, you know? Yeah, he found his spot for sure.

Starting point is 01:14:55 Wasn't Joe Armirshart just in this too? No, he's still in the UFC. Oh, he is? Yeah, that was Luke Rockhold. Oh yeah, Rockhold's fighting this week or something, or you just fought? No, I think he's fighting karate combat versus Joe Schilling. Oh, those are interesting. I haven't been in one of those. You've been in one of those?

Starting point is 01:15:12 No, I've never been in one. Yeah. It's pretty much just like MMA, except they might only grapple for a couple seconds if it goes to the ground. So it's just like kickboxing with small gloves. Yeah, there you go. Oh, that'd be interesting. That's going to be a good one, man.

Starting point is 01:15:26 Yeah. Dustin Poirier, man. Good to see you, bro. Thank you so much for just the fights over the years, giving us all like just, yeah, man. It's just been so fun to be along for some of your journey. And yeah, just give us inspiration, man. You know, you give so much inspiration to us,

Starting point is 01:15:46 no matter your outcome, I think, these days. There's a lot of times I want to give up and I'll just think of how you are and I don't do it. So I just want to say thank you on behalf of, I know not just myself, man. Thank you, man. So we appreciate you, bro. Excited to see what happens next, bro.

Starting point is 01:16:03 Yeah, buddy. In all facets, baby. Yeah,ited to see what happens next, bro. Yeah, buddy. In all facets, baby. Yeah, we'll see what happens this coming weekend, or two weeks away, at USC 300. I think that's going to shake the division up a little bit, and then we'll see what's next. Let's go! Strappy Gilmore. I will fucking punch somebody's fucking step-husband out. Fuck.

Starting point is 01:16:23 Dawson Poirier, thank you so much, bro. Amen. Yeah. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found.

Starting point is 01:16:42 I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little

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