This Past Weekend - E511 $uicideboy$

Starting point is 00:00:00 I have some tour dates to tell you about. I will be in Idaho Falls, Idaho on June 27th. That's an added show. Salt Lake City on June 30th, Las Vegas, Nevada July 5th and 6th, Wallingford, Connecticut on August 7th and Bangor, Maine on August 9th. Those are all new dates. Get all your tickets at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R and thank you so much for your support. Today's guests are probably the most requested guests that we've ever had and that's the truth. They're out of New Orleans, Louisiana, baby, you know that.

Starting point is 00:00:43 And that's where we came to spend time with them, down here on Carondelet Street, at the Maison de la Luz Hotel. They have a new album called New World Depression. Nobody's done it like they have. Nobody's fan base is like theirs is. Grateful today to spend time with the Suicide Boys. I've been waiting to bust these out. You picked a good day to do it.

Starting point is 00:01:37 I might retire after today too. No, man, you got to do that. For you, brother, yes. For you, yes. For Christmas or something, you got to do that. For you, brother, yes. For you, yes. For Christmas or something, you got to bring them bitches back. Christmas or? Where you spend Christmas normally?

Starting point is 00:01:51 You come back to Louisiana? Yeah. Family stuff? Yeah, every time. My family still lives over in Mandeville. Oh, do they? Big Mandeville. So was it Covington or Mandeville?

Starting point is 00:02:01 I grew up in Covington, and I moved over to Mandeville. I got you. Where at? Should we save this? This stuff we want to save? This part of the chat? Covington or Mandeville? I grew up in Covington and I moved over to Mandeville. I got you. Where at? Should we save this? This stuff we want to save? This part of the chat? We are?

Starting point is 00:02:09 Oh, we are? Roll it up, baby. Yeah, I grew up in Covington, down by Lee Road or whatever, by this street. It was down there. The Lee Road boys. Oh, bro. Woo! Lot of people, dude.

Starting point is 00:02:22 Lot of homemade tattoos, body work. Yeah. They'll handle business and they'll bury you. You know what I'm saying? Oh dude, they got kind of BYO chiropractor shit going on. Like that kind of shit, you know what I'm saying? They'll hook a wince to your leg and try to, like a truck, you know. My dad was in jail.

Starting point is 00:02:42 Like they're pulling you out the mud. They'll try to fix your hip like that. My dad was in jail with a Leroy boy and it was his roommate and that's, I got it. He took care of him, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like he knew the ropes, he took care of him. But that's Blair, you remember Blair?

Starting point is 00:02:58 Did you ever meet Blair? Oh yeah, I did. I did flooring with him and shit when we first started. Laying tile down? Yeah. Big Xanax? Yeah. Oh yeahanax? Yeah. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:06 Oh, fluorine is a gateway drug, I feel like, huh? Yeah. Bro. How is that not? I went to that job sober one day. In Louisiana it fucking is. I went to that job sober for one day, just because I didn't have shit, bro,

Starting point is 00:03:19 and I was assed out. So I went there sober for one day, and by lunchtime I was willing to suck some dick for something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some female dick, let's say that. Yeah, that's cool. So 2024 dick.

Starting point is 00:03:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My friend had a joke of how people in Louisiana, blue collar guys, workers, they'll verbally express their resume to you to hire them, but their resume is like, oh, I don't do pills no more. I do good work, like whatever.

Starting point is 00:03:47 And that's how they get the job. I'd rather hire if you do do pills, they do better work. 90 degree angles only, bro, one dude told me once. Yeah, that's what we expected. When I was off that ship, bro, I was on it, bro. Really? Employee of the month. Nuh-uh.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Depends on which specific one it was. When I was managing a restaurant, Xanax was not my friend. I'd let them do whatever they wanted. I think that's where me and you differ. They were all my friends. Really? Yeah, some were better friends than others. Well, if you want to get into that.

Starting point is 00:04:16 I mean, who was a better, I don't know if there's a term for better drug user. I wasn't good at it. I was too, I think I was too sensitive with drugs. Scott and I were both way too good at it. I was too, I think I got, I was too sensitive with drugs. Scott and I were both way too good. He started, he started young, started young. I started young. I started young and then basically by 16, by 16 I was, I was, I had my first pain pill. I was drinking before that and every time I drank, I black out. Like you know what I'm talking about. I couldn't help it. You know? You would do it every time. Oh yeah, every time.

Starting point is 00:04:48 It wasn't like that was balls to the walls. Balls to the wall every time. Yeah, that was it. I had no control whatsoever, but I took my first pain pill at 16. And then from then I was like, fuck, I want to, I want to feel like this every day. Like I get it now because I grew grew up, the way I grew up, I hated all that shit from just growing up how I did. And I was like, I'm never going to touch any of that shit.

Starting point is 00:05:11 And I didn't for a long time until I did. And then once I did, you know, it's like, it's like, I get it. I get it now. I get why. So from 16 on to 2019, every day, yeah, it was, it was everyday balls to the wall. It started with pain pills, went to stronger pain pills, went to heroin. Then the worst he got was toward

Starting point is 00:05:35 the end, where I was just speed balling all day, like 20 adderall a day, 20 Xanax a day to calm me down from that. That's the Louisiana speed ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then whatever, opiates, we can get fentanyl patches, whatever, dude. Oh, yeah, people will do pickle-back heroin in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People will be like, what are you doing, bro?

Starting point is 00:05:58 Shit, that drug's always been super prevalent down here, especially in New Orleans. What about your first, do you remember taking your first pain pill ever, or no? I do. I do. prevalent down here, especially in New Orleans. You know? Yeah. What about your, like, do you remember taking your first pain pill ever or no? I do. I do. Wow.

Starting point is 00:06:10 I had surgery when I was 13. I had two ankle, two screws put in my ankles for a skateboarding injury that I got into when I was 13 and they did surgery and then I was prescribed Vicodin and I would just like lay in my bed. The Vicodin pill bottle would be like above on my headboard and like every few hours I was supposed to take one and I got hooked and after I got recovered and I started like being a teenager and being social and all that stuff that's what I wanted to find was

Starting point is 00:06:36 painkillers. Oh yeah I remember once I took a couple somas bruh and I didn't I felt like I didn't have any arms for almost half a day. Well, like the Trinity is supposed to be a Percocet, a Soma, and a Xanax. You ever seen the pharmacist documentary on this? That's called like Pill Mills back here? Yeah, that's y'all, yeah. Pill Mills. That was a thing, bro.

Starting point is 00:06:56 It was like 200 Lord tabs, 180 Xanax, and 120 Somas. It was like the Trinity that they prescribed to everyone. Yeah, I remember they busted a mall Santa in Terry town with like a hundred somas on them or something. Shout out Big Terry town. Yeah, bro. A town full of so many Terrys, they named it after them.

Starting point is 00:07:16 It's crazy. Hey, bro. Hey, Terry will get your flooring, bro. Yeah, yeah. Some dudes, they was so fucked up, they put flooring on the ceiling, bro. You're like, damn, bro. this dude put fluorine on everything. They'll floor your yard in Louisiana.

Starting point is 00:07:30 Don't give a fuck, dude. They'll floor a baby crib. They'll floor it down, bro. New tile for the baby crib. They'll floor your grandfather, bro. You leave him sitting around long enough. Demons and liams got new tiles. Yeah, fucking right.

Starting point is 00:07:42 That's crazy. You guys, that's crazy. You remember your first pain right. That's crazy. You guys, that's crazy. You remember your first pain pill. Oh, yeah. That's crazy to think of how strong they are and how powerful they are that that's like a core memory. Well, it's like a very euphoric, like, it's almost like a coming to Jesus moment.

Starting point is 00:07:56 Like, it's like this, ah. Mine happened in a different situation. My papa had passed away when I was 16 and he was like my dad. You know, me and him were super tight. I loved that man. And when he passed away, you know, I came across a pain pill. Coping with the sadness. Yeah. And I, you know, at that point, I was just like, you know, like, this is too painful. I can't deal with this. Fuck it. Um, and you know, he had his funeral that day and our, for me, it had the opposite effect. I didn't get sick. Um, I didn't get tired. I got, I got, I felt like,

Starting point is 00:08:33 I think it's sick. I know I felt you for, you know what I'm saying? Like I was running around the funeral home. I gave, I gave a eulogy. Everybody's standing. You'll get a goddamn emancipation. I gave a eulogy, everybody standing. You'll get a goddamn emancipation proclamation. Oh, yeah. Look, I will say to this day, I've heard it's the only eulogy with a trap beat behind it.

Starting point is 00:08:53 So I am saying that that's the rumor going around. Did they scream with that eulogy? Dang, that's crazy. Do you think you would have been able to get that eulogy if you weren't on the pills? No. Wow, so that's pretty- I was too hurt. I wonder if that's how, like, I wonder if that-

Starting point is 00:09:08 Was that like the first time you ever like kind of spoke like that? It was the first time in my life that I was comfortable in my skin. That I felt like my whole life I like there was something off like I didn't belong here. You know what I'm saying? Like I could never be comfortable in my own skin. That was the first time where that happened to me. I felt good. I didn't have a care in the world.

Starting point is 00:09:34 And I was like, I made it a point. I told myself, I remember, I'm gonna feel like this every day for the rest of my life. And that's what I set out to do from the time I woke up to the time I went to sleep. And that's. So how does music even get started then by you guys if y'all are already.

Starting point is 00:09:54 Well, it's hard to get a pill head to finish painting the bass boards. I'm probably the most productive. If you hold pills above their head, you can get them to do anything you want. Anything you want, they'll do it. And I don't know. Our paths started differently.

Starting point is 00:10:10 Yeah, and it wasn't like we were so fucked in the beginning. It was very much a fun thing, and we were ignorant and thinking, that story that you hear about death and jail, that's not going to happen to us, because we're smarter than that, we know how to do this the right way. But give it 10 years and we're at that point.

Starting point is 00:10:28 So the music always came first, it was never drugs first. The music was always first and then at some point it kind of got, the lines got blurred a little bit. Yeah, so then who starts the music first, man? Because one thing that's crazy about you guys' music, I was listening to so much of it over the past month, trying to decipher, okay okay is there certain be like where did some of the sounds come from like little things sometimes I hear

Starting point is 00:10:52 a little bit of like bone thug maybe I would hear. You used to get that so much when we first started. Really? We used to get compared to bone thugs all the time. But then sometimes I would be watching I would almost think of that movie gummo or something a little bit do you ever see that movie? I've never seen it. He's seen a lot of movies. It's super artistic and like, like bizarre.

Starting point is 00:11:12 It's very bizarre. And kind of like off violent kind of like, yeah, I mean, even it's looking at that picture. It's disturbing. Like it's a disturbing movie. And I was like, this shit, it's like, it feels it's music, but it feels like a disturbance. That's what you guys start,

Starting point is 00:11:31 like some of y'all stuff feels like that to me. Like I want to disturb shit. Yeah, we want to disturb shit. We want to make people feel weird. We want to make people feel, I don't know, at first we were super edgy, like just saying crazy shit, just to see reactions out of people.

Starting point is 00:11:45 That was a shock factor. Shock value, all that thing. But you must have liked that, like there's a thing that you, you know what I'm saying? Like we, like. I just like, I like pressing buttons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, I grew up on like three, six,

Starting point is 00:11:57 that was my biggest influence in old Memphis. Which is like the spine of suicide. Yeah, yeah, like old Memphis music from like the 90s. And my uncle put me on that when I was like eight years old and I just got obsessed. But other than that, I came from more of like a trap music background, like trap house, dope deal. Walkin' out of that type of shit.

Starting point is 00:12:17 Yeah, all that shit. And then, yeah, him from the punk background. And like hip hop. I was on the hip hop tip. Yeah. I was like an old head at like 25 years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was bringing like boom rap. I was like, this isn't philosophical enough for me.

Starting point is 00:12:33 Yeah, yeah. That's where we differ also. Yeah, but he made me realize that I was taking myself way too seriously. As far as like my taste in music goes. And I think a lot of people from New Orleans have like this elitist taste in music because you know, the city's pretty like, you know, there's music everywhere, every day, every night, there's music all over the place.

Starting point is 00:12:50 So I think growing up here, you kind of like, at least I did, develop this elite taste. And he's the one that kind of knocked me down a couple pegs. And I realized, oh, some music is just fun. It doesn't have to be so serious with a message and shit. Yeah, that's the vibe I get from like, and even getting to go to one of y'all's shows, like just like there's this legion of people

Starting point is 00:13:12 that want to just have this experience. They want to be in this like disturbing moment. They like the song, but it's almost like their anthems too to them. Yeah, that's a good word. The feelings that they have. That's a good word.ems to to them Yeah, that's a good feelings that they have. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. That's a good way to put it, bro It's a lot of a lot of kids These kids are like misfits and outcasts and weirdos and like he said never felt comfortable in his own skin I can relate to that very well, you know myself

Starting point is 00:13:37 So I think we provide a place for these kids to feel like they're surrounded by their people Yeah, they come and they like. A community. Yeah. And it's like this emotional like, they can get their emotions out by getting in the pit or yelling lyrics or like, you know, maybe you'll meet a girl there. You might meet your best friend there. I always like to think that after these shows,

Starting point is 00:13:58 like these kids stay in touch. And like, it's like whole community falls. And they do. I've seen it. They do. And I think they share a connection with us, which I love because I don't ever want them to look at us as I want us to be humanized to them.

Starting point is 00:14:17 For sure. Oh, it felt like it did when I was there. I remember even going from backstage and being around the people that the night I was there, I think you guys had Shakewell, Nashville, yeah Nashville and who else tall black dude, Jerm, Nyle Lavelle, Nyle Lavelle was there, Shakewell, Cheddar was there, um, who, yeah Turnstile, no not that, Puyo, Puyo no and he wasn't there, yeah Cheddar was there but I remember from even just the people that were backstage, the people working

Starting point is 00:14:49 with y'all, to the crowd, I couldn't tell the difference between who the fuck was who anyway, you know what I'm saying? I accused seven people of being them, Shakewell and Cheta. Yeah, I'm like, dude, I met two girls that looked like Cheta. And look, Cheta is a handsome guy. He's a good looking dude. And they were pretty girls.

Starting point is 00:15:07 I'm just saying that it just feels like all the same people. It just feels like it doesn't feel like there's a... It's uniform. It's like, yeah. It doesn't feel like you guys are in a superior place. I don't ever want anyone to feel like I think I'm better than them. I don't like that. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:15:29 I don't like that at all. I never want to be looked at as if I like punch down or anything. Like yeah, no, I hope I would never put myself out there to be looked at in that light because I don't feel like I'm better than even the people that come to the show. I don't feel like I'm better than even the even the people that come to the show do I don't feel like I'm better than any of them people that are helping us at the shows and and working and putting the sets together and we say every night yeah the security and then the venue workers because it's true without them you know it takes a lot of people to

Starting point is 00:15:57 throw a show and to throw a tour and it's not just all about the the glitz and the glamour because we people know our names and our faces. A lot of people put hard work into this. And Scott and I have been able to remain humble throughout all of this. And we love meeting the fans and talking with them, but we do have our boundaries. And we've never been a dick to the fans

Starting point is 00:16:19 except if they deserved it. I use that word loosely, but kind of crossing that boundaries and posing on our personal space a little too much to where we have to say something. Yeah, so no, you also have to have- I got into it with a commie in my comments the other day, you know, like shit like that.

Starting point is 00:16:33 A communist guy? Yeah. Oh yeah. He said he was going to come take all my shit. So, it was. Come over, right? I had to let him know. Come redistribute it.

Starting point is 00:16:41 Come try, yeah. Dude, to take all somebody's shit, that would take two or three days, bro. You can't. He told me I was outnumbered, so. I don't know, he had an ex-girl, I'm sorry this is too much, but he had an ex-girl take all his shit

Starting point is 00:16:51 out of his house in a couple days. That was possible. Oh yeah, it's possible. It's possible. I was in rehab with a bag of underwear, some shirts from H&M that Kyle bought me for rehab, and like fucking 10 grand left to my name, which sounds like a lot to some people,

Starting point is 00:17:06 but you know, I mean, at the time, bro, I probably, I had like a million dollar house and what, a million dollars you would say, and I was, that's what I was down to. So yeah. Wow. Yeah, dude. Well, it's funny because sometimes when you go to rehab

Starting point is 00:17:21 and shit, people will pack a bag and the most thing they put in there the most, bruh, underpants, bruh. It's almost like, it's important, but it's like, bruh, at least help me. I was like, I'll figure the rest out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You'll see somebody in rehab wearing underpants

Starting point is 00:17:34 as a shirt, bruh. Oh, bro, I went to Target before I went to rehab and just bought all cozy, comfortable clothes. I didn't give a shit. Rubies and a bunch of onesies there. Yeah. Real life. That is something he would do. I mean, you can't go anywhere.

Starting point is 00:17:48 You can't do anything. You don't have a phone. So what's the point in trying to dress him for us? Ruby's got one of those portable fireplaces he got going on. They had Roku's on the... So when you guys first start putting the tunes together, then how does that kind of happen? I mean, I know there's a lot of lore out there, but I just want my fan base to know too, man, that you guys are out of Louisiana, you guys have created this universe that's really super

Starting point is 00:18:10 unique, man. Like, you guys' thing is, it's its own thing. Thank you, bro. It's its own fan base. It's its own... I never know who will be a Suicide Boys fan. That's a good point. That's a weird point, bro.

Starting point is 00:18:24 It's strange, bro. It trips me as strange. I don't think we haven't gotten used to any of this either, bro. Like, even coming here today, it was like really nerve-racking. You know, we're really introverted. But as far as the music, I mean, when you say, like, how does it get created, are you talking about, like, from a creative standpoint, when we get together and actually make the song? Or like, how did we get together and get to this point?

Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah, you mean like the origin or like? Yeah, I know you guys are cousins, right? I know you guys have that family. I mean, I even think that you guys look like, people tell you that a lot. Our moms are sisters. Oh yeah? He looks kind of like my brother,

Starting point is 00:18:55 but I don't think we've ever gotten compared as personally. Maybe when we were younger. Yeah. When we were younger. But it's just, it's the kind of wildest sound or feeling or thing that come out in New Orleans It's it's really interesting because you wouldn't think it if say if you played you guys music for

Starting point is 00:19:10 People from you know, and they were where do you think this came out of? I don't know if they would say yeah I don't know if they wouldn't right. I agree, but um, it's just what you guys have is so unique. It's not mainstream It's your own thing. It's huge. I mean, you guys are playing arenas, you know? It's like, it's fucking crazy. It is. And it's kind of, it's all you and your fans thing, right? That's what I think is, feels like it's y'all's thing. It almost feels, I almost feel like an outsider

Starting point is 00:19:36 even getting to spend time with you in a way, right? I mean, you and I are close and I'm grateful to, you know, we're both from Louisiana, and so I'm grateful for it, but still I know that that's y'all's world, right? And so I guess what I'm asking, yeah, how does that first thing start to kick off and how do you know you're making something

Starting point is 00:19:56 that you feel brave enough to put out there? Or were you just wait, were you just kind of? So he started off, like he used to rap and you were in a lot of bands growing up. My path was different. I started off DJing when I was 13. I was listening to Q93, you know Q93. Oh yeah, bro.

Starting point is 00:20:17 And DJ Rowe was on there and it was the first time I ever heard someone blend two songs together and it tripped me out. So my parents got me like this little a hundred dollar DJ set up for Christmas. I started from there out fast forward, you know, I'm DJing parties, all that, um, throughout high school. Oh, that was some fire. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Friday. Yeah. It went down. It went down. Kyle knows it went down. People needed you. We had some good times, bro. It went down. Kyle knows it went down. People needed you then. We had some good times, bro. It was wild. Legendary times. And then 19, fast forward, I'm about 19. And that's when I got into producing and engineering, like recording people and mixing.

Starting point is 00:21:00 I never really wanted to rap. I would do it for fun. I thought it was whack to be white and be a rapper. I didn't see too many out I would do it for fun. I never, I thought it was wack to be white and be a rapper. I didn't see too many out there that pulled it off good. Yeah, you got to really know you can do it. Yeah. So I was like, I always felt like my place was more behind the scenes. And then I'd made a couple of mixtapes for fun. While on like my off days when I was working at the furniture store, He reaches back out

Starting point is 00:21:27 Signing used furniture. Yeah, bro. Who was it for? Dude I ran it some shit for a fucking During Katrina we had a apartment or something and we put some furniture in there And somebody yeah, some dude stole like we had three Ottomans in that bitch, bruh. Some dude took just the Ottomans. That was a crazy thing, you know? You don't see a lot of just solely Ottoman theft. Yeah, no, I don't.

Starting point is 00:21:56 You can take the love seat, bruh. Because who's going to lay on the floor and just put their feet up? He must have been desperate, bro. So that guy's a real adventure guy. Yeah, I like it. I like his style. I wouldn't even be mad at him, you know what I'm saying? If you're just taking the ottoman, I ain't even.

Starting point is 00:22:11 So when people came in the door, you was showing the furniture? Oh yeah, bro. Oh my, bro, if I could, fuck it, that would be my dream, dude, if I showed up and you got to show me furniture. I had to fade back then. My face had to be shaved.

Starting point is 00:22:24 I had to wear makeup on my hands at one point because I got my hands tattooed, which ultimately got me fired. But I worked there for like three years. And then we were like, we would keep in touch with each other. He would hit me up and I think it was around, yeah, it was when I got fired.

Starting point is 00:22:44 I don't know if you had just graduated from Loyola, but he wanted to come and film a music video for one of my songs, which I thought he was trolling me the whole time. You know, I was like- You said no the first time. Yeah, he's fucking with me. But he's the one that convinced me.

Starting point is 00:23:02 He's like, nah, you're actually pretty good at rapping, bro, you should take this serious. And then from there, that's how we linked up. We did that video. And then G5 Nine came about because that was, that was like our little clique back in like high school. And even a little bit after high school, we thought we were thugs, bro.

Starting point is 00:23:21 We thought we were gangsters and shit. And it was everybody on the East side of highway 59 and our color was gray. We thought we were banging and shit. We thought we were bad. And a lot of those guys either died from drug overdoses or gotten trouble or some shit. So, but we kept the name alive by like, we got together like, all right, you know, let's, the name was already there we got together, we're like, all right, let's. The name was already there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:46 Why not make it something? Yeah, Adi was the one that pointed that out. Let's roll with this. Well, I just thought G59, Gray59 was a hard ass fucking name, and he was already repping it, so I figured, we linked up, why not just run with that. Yeah. Anything I missed?

Starting point is 00:24:00 I was actually going to say. Besides your side. No, no, no, I was going to say it's funny, because when he started making beats back in like 2008, 2009, he bought a Macbook, started making beats and around that time, I was getting really into like hip hop and currency and stuff, like being from down here.

Starting point is 00:24:15 And he was telling me he was making beats and I was like, yo, can you show me how you do this? Like I would be interested in learning. He's like, yeah, I got you. And he's like, show me how he does it. And he taught me how to make beats. And it's just so funny that now we're still doing the same shit.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it just kind of evolved from there and then you start putting on shows locally? Yeah, we would use, we would book shows on like the North Shore and Baton Rouge or whatever. Cause all right, let me be real with you. We knew no one was going to come. No one knew who the fuck we were.

Starting point is 00:24:42 We were just starting out. So we knew, we didn't expect anybody to come and we would use those live shows as practice to see what is going to work, what's not going to work, the things we can do to fuck with the crowd and all that stuff. And at first, we did a lot of open mics too.

Starting point is 00:24:55 A lot of open mics. Wow, open mic, performing or just as comedy though as music. As music, it was like bands and rappers. To win like a thousand dollars. Right, right. Win a thousand dollar unlimited oyster. And on our third time we did it, we finally, we won. We won and we just took all that money

Starting point is 00:25:11 and bought t-shirts, like blanks, and then we just printed all our own t-shirts. And we would literally text people, like, want to buy one? And then Scott would like drive it to them and deliver. Yeah, yeah. Bro, that's still what you guys, this whole thing feels like to me. It doesn't feel small like that,

Starting point is 00:25:26 but it feels like that. Well, dude. Because I'll see like fonts and things, and it's like, I don't understand it, because I haven't known the music from the beginning, right? Yeah. So I'm like, oh, this is their world, but it's just beloved in that space, you know?

Starting point is 00:25:39 Yeah. And it's interesting that you say that, because, fuck, what did you just say? Remind me what you just said? Yeah, you would drive over the delivery, that's a whole area to drive. In a way, it still feels the same as our roots. Obviously, we're not driving T-shirts to people anymore,

Starting point is 00:25:56 but Scott and I are still very much involved, very hands-on, and I think we fucking care, dude. This is our baby, and we love it, and it's loved us back and we wanna take care of it. And distancing ourselves from it because we've gained money and egos is not really something that we're interested in doing.

Starting point is 00:26:13 We're very aware of that too. Yeah, this shit has saved our lives, bro. I don't know any other force or consequence that might've been powerful enough to make us even consider to go get help and get clean. You know what I'm saying? Because we had something to live for, we had something to lose.

Starting point is 00:26:33 Not just the business, not just the label, but each other. Yeah, it's bigger than us, too. I mean, we employ people and you know. It's way bigger than me, him, and it's bigger than any of us, bro. I think that's something, like he just said, that we tell ourselves constantly to just keep ourselves down to earth.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Because it's easy, dude, to be successful and get caught up in yourself. It's easy, because if anything, you have to fight that shit off. You know what I mean? I'm sure you know, bro. Yeah, well, yeah, it's a battle I've dealt with. And some days I win, some days I lose over time. It's gotten better

Starting point is 00:27:06 Yeah, and especially if your hands on used to doing things and that becomes a part of cuz you're you know You want everything to be perfect learning to let other people help you And then your ego can build without you even noticing. Oh, yeah, you think like oh, I'm just proud of myself But that 95% of that cup could be ego. So it's interesting, man. It is, it is. I think it's funny you say that though, Scott, like about something saving you. Yeah, there's a lot of times where if I didn't have to,

Starting point is 00:27:32 I'm like, there's some temptation that'll happen the night before and I'm like, I got a podcast tomorrow. Or I have a show to do, I have some responsibility, I got to get an edit for my producers or one of them is waiting on the email from me or something or I'm waiting from Them and it keeps me going. Yeah, but I would have I would have been you know for a long time

Starting point is 00:27:50 I would argue that drugs kept me alive Because I just I didn't know how to live in this world didn't want to live in this world at all But at the same time didn't quite Have the balls to take myself out. Oh yeah. So, so I'd say that drugs kept me alive for a long time. I mean, uh, you know, what made you in so much pain?

Starting point is 00:28:14 You then like, what was, what was the tough part for you? You think? Well, I think it was a mixture, dude. I think it was, um, like I said, just, just being born, like I, I just feeling out of place, like always, like something wasn't right. Which is like a common theme with addicts. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:29 Yeah, yeah. Like I'm a large in the world of fucking media, but I'm in the world of 7XL. Exactly. I'm wandering around in my own shirt. I'm trying to find a neck hole, bro. So I think it's a, and they've done a lot of, I mean, they've done a lot of work on this

Starting point is 00:28:43 and they know it's like genetics. I won't get into all that, but you know, part of that. And I think also, you know, the way I grew up and, you know, when I say this, dude, I'm not, I love everyone in my family. I'll go above and beyond for any one of them, but you know, everybody was doing the best they could with what they knew how to do, but it was still tough.

Starting point is 00:29:06 It was some tough shit to grow up in. So that didn't help. But I'll tell you the biggest thing, and I'll shut up that way I don't get too overwintered with this, because I have a tendency to do that. But I always start like this thing, like, okay, the drugs are not working anymore. They're not doing it for me.

Starting point is 00:29:26 But this thing, this thing's gonna do it for me. Once we get to that place, whatever that place is in my head, whenever I get that thing, that's gonna do it for me. And then I got really suicidal when we got there, whatever there, wherever there is. And nothing changed. And nothing changed. And nothing changed.

Starting point is 00:29:46 I felt, now I feel worse, because if this don't work, what's going to do it? And that's when I really started to spiral. And for me, and I'll end it with this, the answer for me has been getting involved in the 12 step programs. It's been more of a spiritual answer

Starting point is 00:30:07 rather than the material. Yeah, man. I remember I was in my garage, it was like probably two years ago, man. I was talking to my brother on the phone. I was like, nothing will save me. It was like, I got people that like me. I thought that's what was my problem.

Starting point is 00:30:24 Same. If enough people like me, I'll like me. Yes. Yeah. And it was like, I got people that like me. I thought that's what was my problem. Same. If enough people like me, I'll like me. Yes. Yeah. And it was like, fuck man. Then one day I was just like. Makes me emotional. It's ass backwards because you have to like yourself first

Starting point is 00:30:34 and then the other stuff comes. But it's crazy to think, man, you know, that that's kind of the way that it could kind of process. And yeah, but I see you in the rooms, man. It gives me a lot of hope every time I see you. Same with you, bro. Dude, I was in- You want to keep going, you know?

Starting point is 00:30:48 I was in- And the way you run your rooms, bro, and not to over-talk you, but it's like, you have a lot of respect of a lot of people in there and it's cool, man. I've been blessed, bro. And for you, bro, I was- You can't wait.

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Starting point is 00:33:40 Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. No, but Theo, I was three months sober, bro. Just living on my own, just got to where I was living on my own in California, where I went and got sober. And I came across your video on YouTube. That was my introduction to you. And it was why I got sober. It was that video. And then from there, you know, I watched that video

Starting point is 00:34:04 and you inspired me, bro. And you gave me hope. And then that's when I did a deep dive on you started watching all like your greatest hits and highlights and shit. Laughing my ass off. But that's funny. That's how I came to know you. But yeah, before we even knew each other, bro, you, you, you gave me a little bump and I needed

Starting point is 00:34:20 it too with that video. Gang man. Thanks bro. Yeah. It's crazy. Kind of, I think the connection that people get going Gang, man. Thanks, bro. Yeah, it's crazy, kind of, I think, the connection that people get going through, like, if they're using or if they're recovering.

Starting point is 00:34:30 It's like, on both sides of that, it seems like there's probably a lot of connection. You guys could probably speak to that, huh? You think? What you mean? Like, even on the using side, there's like a level of connection that that keeps people. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:42 Yeah, I mean, that'll keep you in the act of addiction by, you know, you kind of almost, when I was buying pills and shit and snorting Roxy's, I never wanted to do them alone. And so I would share with everybody and I was making money so I could buy a bunch and I would share with people that were my friends that didn't make as much money and they were happy to get free pills

Starting point is 00:35:01 and I could like be in my dark shit, but not alone. I think a lot of addicts are chasing loneliness, they're having trouble with self-acceptance, and I think finding your little group of similar drugs that you want to do together, it definitely makes you feel like you're safe and at home. And then the exact opposite happens when you get off of them too.

Starting point is 00:35:21 You find your people that want to stay away from that shit, and it kind of strengthens your little community that you're in. What were some of the hot, like would have been some of the highlights? I mean, because you guys have a success that I think, like, a lot of people don't really know it in a lot of ways. A lot of people do.

Starting point is 00:35:39 But y'all aren't a mainstream thing. Yeah, it's like, is that offensive to say? It doesn't feel offensive, right? If anything, I kind of take offense to the opposite that people do consider us mainstream and I don't think we are. We are and maybe how popular we are or how many people listen to us but you know you're not going to see us. People like to gatekeep. You know what I'm saying? Yeah especially our fan base. They love to gatekeep. What does that mean when people say gatekeep? They feel like it's their thing. Oh bad. You have to deserve to be our fan. Yeah. It feels like that

Starting point is 00:36:03 though. You know every fan that we meet whether it's like we're just out and about and we run into somebody that recognizes us, ask him and I bet you he'll back me up. 10 times out of 10, they tell me that they've listened to us since 2015. Yeah. Which or they'll say I've been listening to you guys since y'all started. I've been in the fans since 2012. Since I was in seventh grade and now they're 20 something. Yeah, exactly. But the 2015 thing is funny. Someone's still in seventh grade too, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:28 I don't know what parish they from. No disrespect, dude. Hey, bro. I did fifth twice, homie. Yeah. We've been in there, bro. We've all done a little sentence, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:40 No, but that, yeah. It is. It's their world. That's why even like we're talking with you guys, it feels since I wasn't there from the beginning, you don't feel a little bit of you're like, yeah, it is. It's their world. That's why even like we're talking with you guys, it feels since I wasn't there from the beginning, you don't feel a little bit of, you're like, oh, this is their thing. Even when I meet y'all's fans, it feels like that.

Starting point is 00:36:52 It feels like they're people that have feelings and they've been through something. That's what it kind of feels like. Y'all shows are real interesting, man, cause it's such a like, it's such a kickoff and then it's almost like running downfield the whole show. You know, it just feels like a, it's intense man. And the crowd gets going. I mean, this is a lot going on. You got the people up by the front, just like almost like it's like

Starting point is 00:37:17 a big lung up there. They're just kind of like, he taught me this early on, man. Like we were doing a show, we were about to do a show in New York and only three people were showing up. And me and some other rappers were like, fuck this, we ain't doing this. And he taught me a lesson early. He's like, bro, it doesn't matter if one person shows up or thousands, like you give that person a show.

Starting point is 00:37:40 And ever since then, I've ran with that. You know, and it's like, anytime I'm out there. Like, yeah, if these people are paying And ever since then, I've ran with that. And it's like, anytime I'm out there. You did take to that. Yeah, if these people are paying to come watch me perform, then the last thing I want to do is just sit there. You know, like I want to. Writing your own self, yeah. Yeah, and just like be still.

Starting point is 00:37:56 I don't know if that makes sense, but I want to go out there and give them energy, like give them everything I got. And like I said, dude, worst case scenario, one person showed up, it's a fucking practice. Like you keep the, you don't get rusty, you keep it going, because, you know, we'll tour once a year really,

Starting point is 00:38:12 two, three months at the end of the year, and the first few shows we do, it's, we kind of like forget what to say, or we'll forget certain lyrics, and we're like, fuck, dude, we've done this for 10 years, how are we forgetting this shit? But you have to get back in the groove. Yeah, you got to get back in the groove, man.

Starting point is 00:38:27 So you guys know there's a new album coming out. What is it like to evolve? Is it scary to evolve? I think about it even in comedy and stuff. I'm like, what the heck? Some of your people that listen to you, they listen to you at a certain age, but they're getting older too.

Starting point is 00:38:46 Some of them are all different ages. So how do you try and apply to everybody? I'm really glad you asked this. That's a great question. And how do you try to also apply to yourself at the same time? So we might have two different. I think it'll be, well, at first, I think at first we were scared to kind of change the sound up because the formula was working Yeah and we were worried about like introducing new stuff because what if they don't like it and this and that and the more successful you

Starting point is 00:39:11 Get is like the scarier it gets because you think yes one wrong fucking move and it all crumbles, which isn't true but we started experimenting doing some like singing stuff or whatever and People seemed to fuck with it And then we got to a point to where we don't, we didn't really care if they didn't like it or not. Scott and I have been making this music for so long now that if we want to try something experimental or new, I think we deserve to at this point.

Starting point is 00:39:35 So it can be a scary thing, but I think, you know, don't fear it and just, just do it and see what happens. Yeah, I think I, I agree a hundred percent on everything you said from on a more, I don't know if you went through this too, but for me on a more personal level, when I got sober, it was like I had a, like I was so scared because I thought my drug use fueled all my creativity. Yeah, that was definitely a thought for sure. Yeah. And so like for me, once I finally did start getting back into it, it was literally

Starting point is 00:40:06 like learning how to walk all over again. It is. Really. And the sound did kind of change as a result of that, beat wise, production wise. More like less scary and sad sounding. Yes. So I think the evolution of our music has matched exactly.

Starting point is 00:40:27 The evolution of us. Of us, yeah. That's a great point. That's how I look at it. What was it like? If you're on pills and you're deep out on pills, I never really got that out on them. If you're Huff and Trank or whatever,

Starting point is 00:40:42 I don't even know what some of the names are. Yeah, fucking Swamp Pebbles or whatever. I don't even know what some of the names are. You know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:50 Oh, bro. They'll have a tilapia flavored perk out here, bro. In New Orleans, they don't give a shit, bro. You'll have a fucking pecan crusted Zan bar out here, bro. You're like, what the fuck? Everybody wants to be a chef in this motherfucker, bro. That's crazy, dude. Colleen Adderall's, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:07 Oh, you'll have a bag of char-grilled somas over here. Like, damn, this place is crazy, dude. That's pretty funny, bro. But what was it like making music when you're under that influence? Is it even possible to make music when you're like that kind of pill high? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:41:24 So I'm just curious, like, or is it just possible to just like listen back? Or is it, do you feel any creative, was there any creativity from that actual high of that? I don't know if we work differently, cause I know sometimes you would wait until after we were done, but this was early on to smoke.

Starting point is 00:41:42 Yeah, yeah. It's, I still smoke weed. I couldn't go without it. Now, Ruby couldn't either, you know what I'm saying? So we were constantly on it all day. So it's kind of like just feeling normal. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, it was kind of-

Starting point is 00:41:57 Don't you doze off and shit? Oh yeah. I mean, that's like, look- Well, how do you find yourself when you're both awake at the same time to make a try? Yeah. When you take a Percocet first thing in the morning or whatever your oxy, whatever it is,

Starting point is 00:42:08 it's going to give you a boost. Like, I'll come out of that bathroom snoring something and I'm like, what's up, motherfuckers? Like, I'm like on one. And then as you keep dosing, at the end of the day, it's kind of like when you've done an all day and that's when you start to kind of nod off. It's like your body's like, OK, I'm tapping out.

Starting point is 00:42:27 For me, I was mixing so much stuff, so much. This kid was all over the fucking place. But you can hear it in the music now. Sometimes we go back for laughs and we'll listen to some of the shit I made when I was like in psychosis. What would you say is the most fucked up you ever were for an album? I want to die in New Orleans. I think mine is. and it's everywhere for an album. I want to die in New Orleans.

Starting point is 00:42:44 I think mine is. I think mine is. I hate that album. Stop staring at mine. Really? I hate that album. You did phenomenal on it, but I was so far gone, dude. I was literally in psychosis from doing so much speed

Starting point is 00:43:01 and downers, bro. I thought Southwest Airlines was trying to kill me I thought me a story. Yeah, I thought Kyle took a life insurance policy out for 70 grand Somebody takes a life insurance policy for $700 just for want to make it their truck payment I remember that we were in New Zealand when he told me. He thought that they were putting a hit out on us. Yeah. He thought like I had- Now what do you say when he sits you down?

Starting point is 00:43:29 Oh bro, I'll put them through hell, bro. Look, at one point I was starting to get really impatient with it because like I was tired of explaining. I was tired of explaining that like this insane theory wasn't actually happening. I would one time- I thought he had my phone tapped.

Starting point is 00:43:44 This was one time where he quit Suicide Boys on Twitter. I don't know if you remember that. Oh, I remember. And he. I remember where I was at. At the time he had just bought a condo in Bradenton, Florida outside of Sarasota. And I can't get in touch with them.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Kyle can't get in touch with them. And we decide let's go out there. Let's just press him. Let's be in person. So long story short, we fly down there, rent a car, drive to his apartment, and he doesn't expect us. He doesn't know we're coming. We go upstairs, and I knock on the door,

Starting point is 00:44:10 and he's like, one second. I think to myself, like, man, I just flew out here. Fuck that, I'm not waiting a second. I was like, bro, I'm here, what's up? Like, what's the problem? And he was like, oh, give me a second. He had to go to the bathroom, do his little thing, catch my drift, and then we came outside,

Starting point is 00:44:24 he was ready to talk. And it was a long story to say, I was trying to like bathroom, do his little thing, catch my drift, and then we get him outside, he was ready to talk. And it was a long story to say, I was trying to like see, I was like, is he fucking with me? Is he lying to me? Is he thinking I'm stupid? Or does he actually believe this shit? And is he fucking crazy?

Starting point is 00:44:38 So I had to sit him down and I was like, bro, this Southwest thing, do you think that the board, like the people on the board of Southwest sit in a boardroom? Southwest Airlines. Southwest Airlines, and they discuss how we're going to assassinate Scrim from Suicide Boys. And he looked at me, dead in the eyes,

Starting point is 00:44:56 the most serious look on his face, and he goes, yes. And I lost my mind, bro. I took my phone and I threw it on the, I was trying to hit the grass, but I hit the sidewalk, the fucker sparked. And that pissed you off even more. Yeah, yeah. I thought they were trying to kill me because my brother had bootlegged one of our tracks

Starting point is 00:45:16 and cause he was bad off on dope and sold it to this person for like 800 bucks, but actually didn't give him the song, he just scammed them. And I thought the person he scammed was the son of somebody on the board of Southwest and they were just going to take me out to speak on the other, to speak on the other side of things. I'm thinking, what is coming out of his mouth? Is it real or not?

Starting point is 00:45:38 Come to find out the story of his brother stealing a song and selling it is true. So it's like, and I'm sitting there and I feel bad cause I'm like, been calling him a liar in my head and all this shit. And then I find out it's true. And I'm sitting there and I feel bad because I'm like been calling him a liar in my head and all this shit and then I find out it's true. So then I'm like, all right, so is all of this true? I still refuse to believe that the board of Southwest is meeting to discuss his assassination but. I had my brother and my family believe that.

Starting point is 00:45:59 That was a crazy fucking time. Bro, I was very convincing. I had fans tweeting at Southwest Airlines on Twitter. I did. Yeah, it was, it was. That's crazy. But that was toward the end. That was like when I was really spiraling. Fuck, dude. It's interesting though that you guys were at least had a close enough connection because a lot of bands fall apart from that kind of stuff. A lot of groups, a lot of teams fall apart. Everything falls apart. I'm glad you know that. But for you to go there and want to actually just to think, let me see

Starting point is 00:46:32 what's really going on. We've never even hit each other. Like we've gotten in each other's faces ready to fucking beat the shit out of each other and we've both been able, like you're my cousin and I don't want to do that. I don't want to hit you. I fucking hate you right now, but I'm not going to touch you. And it's gone both ways. And I'd say that the family thing, which obviously doesn't apply to everybody, but we've been able to look at the fact

Starting point is 00:46:52 that we're cousins and the fact that we provide for our families, which is a shared family, as a reason to never give up on each other. If this was just one of my friends, I don't think it would have been the same. No. No, no, no, no. That's good that you brought that up because a lot of groups just don't make it would have been the same. No, no, no, no. That's good that you brought that up

Starting point is 00:47:05 because a lot of groups just don't make it in general. And doing business with family is usually not a smart way to go. But for us, I mean- This is the only time it worked out. Yeah, I think it's just a unique situation. Bro, we both got the same granny to answer to and she ain't nothing nice.

Starting point is 00:47:23 You know what I'm saying? Like she done FaceTime me before. She done FaceTime me before being like, you making music without your cousin? You know, like pressing me. And I was like, and I'd have to call her and be like, granny, I got it. She's going to think that I'm like fucking venting to you.

Starting point is 00:47:39 Does she stay up later now? I don't think so. Granny, she's almost 80 now. She was a bus driver for the for the parish Jefferson parish Yeah, her whole that's pretty much her whole life. Yeah, bro drove me to school from kindergarten to high school. Dang brother Real working woman bro and Wagamond should handle like grown like seniors Oh, yeah, I watched her. I'm telling you you don't want to fuck with that lady Oh, it was from Wagamond bro. Come on. on. The first seat, they'll have a crock pot going in that bitch.

Starting point is 00:48:07 Yeah, right? They got lunch going in. I'll get you pot of gumbo. That's back when the bus sent me to pick up a strange on that dude. We'd have two raccoons in the fourth row, bro. Fucking nutria. And they taking that bitch, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro,

Starting point is 00:48:32 bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro of that. Yeah, for real. People would keep everything. They would slice it in the back. The inside of the seat was hollow. People would keep all kind of shit in there. I was too busy. Crafty motherfuckers, bro. I was too busy fingering girls in the back of the bus. OK, bro.

Starting point is 00:48:52 Oh, you was in the 11th row. Yeah. Yeah, bro. That was really, that was a red light district at a bus. Randy, put it on Q93. Q93. Wild Wayne. Yeah, dude, remember Wild Wayne, bruh?

Starting point is 00:49:05 What were some of the things they would say on there? Q93, boys. I remember when the Saints were going to the Super Bowl, Q93 hosted some show at the Holland Wolf, and they had like every, that year, because the Saints were doing so well, everybody came out with the same song. You remember that shit?

Starting point is 00:49:22 You remember that shit? Yeah, oh yeah. Wild Wayne hosted the show. It was like all? You remember that shit? Yeah. Oh yeah. Wild Wayne hosted this show. It was like all these Saints rappers out there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Look up Wild Wayne, Q93. See if we can play you in their intro. I remember DJ Rowe would come on either four or five o'clock every day. DJ Rowe in the mix. Boyzone, Batrouch. It's a vision that your recording artist

Starting point is 00:49:46 waited for his average squad have teamed up with the hottest club. I pitched the idea to Y in the court that they need to advertise on Q93. And they did it. They did it? They did it. Wild Wayne, all them came in.

Starting point is 00:49:56 Nuh-uh. Yeah. Yeah, we was bumping, bro. That's touch. Oh, damn, bro. This is 2002, bro. It's crazy. We were selling the shit out to some friends after that.

Starting point is 00:50:06 Did y'all, was there some moments where you guys got to connect with some local artists when y'all started coming up or how did that kinda go? Man, I'm gonna say it, this city fucking hates us bro. They do. We don't get no love. We don't get any love from the city, not from people in the city, artists, nothing.

Starting point is 00:50:23 It's interesting. We're not even doing a show this year in New Orleans because we don't feel love and we're kind of a little annoyed. Yeah, we got out of every arena we went to last year, New Orleans absolutely treated us the worst. Like garbage, dude. Like they were doing us a favor. Yeah, I was actually like mind blown by it.

Starting point is 00:50:40 And what is it do you think, yeah, what do you think some of that is? You guys are something so different. Right. I don't know if that has something to do with it I think people get turned off by the name Suicide boys and I know that like that key Loomis doesn't fuck with us because of that Yeah, but what a lot of people don't understand is is it's not You know, it might have started off as like a way to say stupid shit, but it's definitely become a thing that people relate to

Starting point is 00:51:08 and it's become an important part of some kids' lives. And Scott and I want people to do well. We're not trying to tear people down. So it's funny how people get the wrong idea. I'm glad you said that, because we never intended. We never had this grand idea or intention for it to turn into this like community and turn in or like have kids being like, yo, you saved my life or like the emails that that Kyle

Starting point is 00:51:32 and them get. Fan letters. Yeah. So I think if people were to dig past the surface, you know, they would see. But I think that also goes into like, this is bigger than us, dude. It's real interesting, man. I get more requests for you guys than anybody ever. Really? Oh dude, every, if it... I feel like kind of the same, bro. Everybody's been like, yo, y'all gotta go on PO.

Starting point is 00:51:56 Money sign to B when they send it. At first I thought it was people just trying to get me to send them cash app. I didn't know. Yeah. Sending money to old B? Yeah, the first Yeah. No, uh, sending money to OB. Yeah. The first thousand I got, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?

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Starting point is 00:54:44 You guys watch UFC? Yeah, I did this weekend. Did you catch, did y'all watch the Poirier fight? You guys watch UFC? Yeah, I did this weekend. Did you catch it? I didn't see it. I caught it. I was struggling to stay up, bro. I go to bed. I'm like a grandpa now ever since I got sober.

Starting point is 00:54:53 But it's late. Only it was late as hell. We were there. We didn't go on stage or whatever till 12. I was rooting for him, bro. And Lafayette Boyd? Yeah. I think he did great, bro.

Starting point is 00:55:03 Me too. He did great. Who won? I don't even know. He lost. Islam won. Yeah, Islam won. What was in it? By a chokehold? Yeah, but it was so close. It was in the fourth round. But if this was a crawfish eating competition, you know, who would have won? Yeah, all day.

Starting point is 00:55:16 Look, he's almost shaped like a crawfish right there. Dustin didn't win, but I really didn't feel like he lost. I mean, this dude, everybody thought this dude was going to roll like, I don't want to say that. Safe to say, Nick, huh? People thought that Islam was going to beat him because he beats everybody. And Dustin took that dude. So he put up a good fight, bro.

Starting point is 00:55:37 Dustin is a dog, bro. He fought. You gotta be, bro. You gotta be. And you could tell, man, it's just interesting the different ways a lot of people used to express themselves. You know, like if it's music or comedy or art.

Starting point is 00:55:51 Well, I've gotten in, we've both gotten into training. Boxing. Boxing. Yeah. We've been doing that for the past couple of years. And that in itself is an art and a science and something to be respected. So now when I watch this, I have a whole different,

Starting point is 00:56:05 I grew up watching it with my pawpaw anyway, he was a boxer, but like, I watched these guys bro and the amount of respect I have for them just in the little training that we do, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, fuck. It seems like these guys are built different. Anything you watch, skateboarding, boxing,

Starting point is 00:56:20 whatever it is, it seems easy. Then once you actually get in it, you realize, oh, this is not easy. You throw four punches in your wind and realize, oh, this is not easy. You throw four punches in your wind and you're like, how the fuck these dudes do this for nine rounds? Oh yeah, this is him at the end, I think. We can play this.

Starting point is 00:56:34 And I'm not 100%, but if this is my last fight, I wanted to dedicate this journey to the people who may be the man I am, and that's the women in my life. To my grandmother, I miss you every day. And I know I'm still protected by your prayers. To my mother, we've had a crazy life. I love you, thanks for always having my back. And to my wife, I love you so much.

Starting point is 00:56:59 I wouldn't be standing right here without you. And babe, Julie, I don't know if I'd be breathing, honestly, if it wasn't for you. And to Parker, daddy's fine, I love you so breathing honestly if it wasn't for you. It's a Parker. Daddy's fine. I love you so much. I'm so proud of you. We are.

Starting point is 00:57:09 So funny. What a beautiful moment. Really cool. You're incredible man. See that's his last fight. Oh, God. Not sure. He's a fighter, man.

Starting point is 00:57:17 I think the thing about him, he just like, uh, even if he don't get the W, it's like he just there's something about him, he shows up to fight. And that's what I think everybody can relate to. It's like, all right, I can go fight, I can fight through another day in my life, whether it's just feeling okay or... Well, when he was talking in the post-conference interviews,

Starting point is 00:57:41 he was bringing up the uncertainty of his future. And anytime lately people bring that up, it makes me think about us. And what's next? I think we just give up music, train for 10 years, and then we can put on our own headlining fight. I'm about it. Me versus you.

Starting point is 00:58:00 I don't want to do that. We can pull a Sopranos and write as a fight's about to start, it fades to black, we collect our money. Oh yeah. We're out. That's brilliant. I don't want to we can pull like a sopranos and right as a fights about to start it fates the black And that's brilliant, that's brilliant hit you bro. I just told him Fight somebody maybe the yin-yang twins. How old are they? Yeah Yeah, well, they have one of the best cribs episodes ever the yin-yang twins. They're just like shouting random noises Yeah, they got uh, well the Saints took the whole time. That show was so entertaining. Yeah, they got, well, the Saints took their song,

Starting point is 00:58:27 wasn't it? Yeah, I always thought that was kind of weird, you know? It's amazing. It was the old boys. K Gates took the beat and made it into the, we yellin' who that, the who that say, the go on, we the damn Saints. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:58:40 Yeah, but I think there was like some copyright issue. Ba-nah, ba-nah, ba-nah, ba-nah, ba-nah, ba-nah, ba-nah. Yeah. That's Yin Yang? So Kay Gates took it and made a version. He made the hook, it's like who that? Yeah. Oh, okay. At the game, you'll hear the Yin Yang twins' version.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Yeah. But New Orleans is interesting, man. A lot of unique. Bro, I was walking down the street, this is how we even got this art. I'm walking down the street when I was like going next door to get a coffee. I was thinking, man, it would be cool if we had some neat art. There's a dude sitting outside blazing with his homie. Oh, shit, it's Louis Armstrong, I think.

Starting point is 00:59:09 Or somebody. It's a jazz player. This dude, Tyrell Shaw. And this is his art, man. And he's like, I was like, dude, I'm about to chat with the Suicide Boys. You want to put a piece in? That's cool.

Starting point is 00:59:19 He's like, yeah, man. That's fire that you put them on like that. I respect that. That's support and local art, baby. It's kind of like what it that's the thing yeah, man. That's fire that you put him on like that. I respect that. Supporting local art, baby. It's kind of like what, that's the thing about New Orleans. I mean, you could walk half a block. You'll see talent in the streets. You'll see talent.

Starting point is 00:59:33 You'll either get, yeah. You'll either disappear in a pothole, bro. We got no love in the beginning. You will disappear in a pothole, bro. We was handing out mixtapes, and them bitches were going in the trash right after. Actually, I'm going to tell the LSU story. Yeah. It's got, when we first started recording and making music, and then bitches was going in the trash. Actually, I'm going to tell the LSU story.

Starting point is 00:59:45 It's got, when we first started recording and making music, really first attempting to do this shit, we made a CD for him, a mix tape for him, we got it printed, made 500 of them, I made the cover for him, la la la, we go, what are we going to do with this? Let's go to shows and colleges, let's go hand this shit out.

Starting point is 01:00:02 Old school, right? And this is also like in 2013. So we're going to old school, we go to LSU campus, we're staying with my brother because he's going to school there at the time. Wow, so y'all didn't even go and hand shit out? Oh yeah, and we go and like that big part of the campus where like all the traffic, all the people are walking by,

Starting point is 01:00:19 it's like in between classes. Me and Scott hanging out CDs, like, oh you fuck with rap, check this out, whatever. Bro, first of all, all them CDs ended up in the trash. Like, every fucking one. We turned around three feet away from us as the CD on the ground. But the funniest thing that happened that day was,

Starting point is 01:00:35 I love this part. It was some girl, this nervous freshman heading to class, bunch of books in her bag. You could tell she's kind of on edge. She's riding her bike, and she comes in front of me and Scott and rolls over his shoe. And Scott, well we both do, but Scott loves white shoes. You know the thing with white shoes is don't fucking

Starting point is 01:00:55 scuff them, like keep them clean. And don't ride a bike over them. Don't ride a bike over them. And, dude. It's not asking much. He flipped out and I was just like laughing the whole time because I just thought it was funny but he was like, what the fuck and this girl looks so scared bro.

Starting point is 01:01:09 You gotta understand this motherfucker still looked like this too back then. And she took off bro to not look back and I'm just like dying laughing like the white shoes man. He's like I'll floor your whole fucking house lady. I lost count of how many fights I got in growing up over stepping on people's shoes bro. It's a sign of disrespect on people's shoes, bro. That's how we met. That's how me and Kyle met at Found Blue because this dude was cutting the line.

Starting point is 01:01:31 I stepped in his way. It was exam week. I was starving. It was chicken tender and macaroni. I bet it's chicken tender day. Yeah, chicken tender day. We just had a lunch lady on. That's the biggest day.

Starting point is 01:01:40 He's cutting the line with his homies. I'm like, nah, this ain't happening today, bro. I'm stepping away. I step on his shoes. And then, you know, next thing I know, I'm fighting him, both of his sisters who were built like linebackers and a couple other guys. A lot of shouldery women in that area. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's how me and Kyle, that's how we met. He was like, yo, come roll with us from here. Cause when I- You went to Fountain Blue. So check this out. When I first moved up there. I love this.

Starting point is 01:02:07 I was- Cause that's in St. Timoney Parish. Yeah. So look, I grew up on the West Bank, bro. Henry Ford, I'm used to- If I met him- Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I just want to set you up.

Starting point is 01:02:18 Yes. You know this, but for our audience, you know, the, Mandeville is the area of like the families that wear all white and take family portraits at the beach. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Mandeville is fancy over there. the families that wear all white and take family portraits at the beach. That's the vibe. Yeah, yeah, Mandeville is fancy over there. That's the vibe, yeah, yeah, so my back continues. No, thank you for that.

Starting point is 01:02:31 And West Bank is definitely different, bro. There's a lot of places out there. Way grander. We're doing what we gotta do to get by. Yeah, way grander. Yeah, you'll have somebody get buried in an oyster half shell or something over there. You'll have, they got some couple cuties over there

Starting point is 01:02:43 in tall timbers, I know that, but otherwise, you know, it gets a little bit, you never know, bro. You'll have a dude have his eyes taken out of a couple dice put in. No, 100%. 100%. Yeah, all day. So Scott's coming from that area? I moved, yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Scott's moving in. Our neighborhood's getting really bad. We just had my youngest brother, my dad's like, all right, I'm getting there. I'm getting the family up out of here. Moved to Lacombe right by Mandeville. So I go to Fountain Blue, right? I show up there, I got cornrows in. I got a big tall tee, remember tall tees? I had the big tall tee on. I had some jabos about as baggy as these pants.

Starting point is 01:03:18 Oh Lord. And my bus driver was black. And even him, when I walked in the bus, he said, what the fuck are you doing? So alien just landed, bro. That's first thing this man tells me on my first day of school, to ever get on the bus five in the morning.

Starting point is 01:03:33 He said, what the fuck are you doing? That's a long shirt you was in too. So I'm like. Scott got on the shirt guy, it took a few more seconds to shirt. It did, it did. It did. There's somebody behind him like.

Starting point is 01:03:42 Yeah. So I sit down and I'm like, then I get to the school, it's 2,000 white kids, bro. Oh yeah. So you want to talk about culture shock? I was like, I thought I landed on another planet. So did they.

Starting point is 01:03:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good point. Bro, no one talked to me for a year. Oh, I can see that, bro. I was by myself for a year. That's best of sphere, probably. It took me getting into a fight for Kyle and him to be like,

Starting point is 01:04:11 all right, you good, come on. Damn. And then that's, yeah, so that's- That is a way to prove yourself. That's the short version of the story. You don't fuck around, you know? Yeah. There's something about walking around a school

Starting point is 01:04:20 when nobody talks to you that you create this own universe in your head. Oh, yeah. My high school? Sorry, go ahead. that you create this own universe in your head. Oh yeah. My high school, sorry, go ahead. No, it's like a first person gang. It's like, you know, you're living in a first person shooter world again, you know? It's true.

Starting point is 01:04:33 I was going to say, you get that experience, my experience in high school, I went to Jesuit. It was all boys, Catholic, prep school, whatever, and I definitely did not fit in in that school. To this day, if I say that- I didn't know you went to Jesuit. See, when I say I went to Jesuit, people are like, what, you went to Jesuit?

Starting point is 01:04:48 And I got involved with drugs early. I was like 14. Earlier than me. Yeah, I was actually gonna say that story too. I was like 14 and I was like, I'm gonna try it all. Because I just tried weed and it wasn't as bad as they said it was, so I'm gonna try it all. I'm gonna fuck bitches, I'm gonna do crack,

Starting point is 01:05:05 all that shit, I did it all. Oh yeah, I love how those are the two, that's the crazy thing about drugs. Fuck bitches and smoke and crack, yeah. Which is funny, cause those two things really don't go together actually, but anyway, I like spread this rumor about myself. I was snorting heroin on my desk in geometry class,

Starting point is 01:05:22 and I did it because I got off to like how everybody thought I was crazy, and I liked off to like how everybody thought I was crazy and I liked it. I liked people thinking I was crazy. So I let the rumor spread. When they got back to me, it was like, oh, Adi slangs crack downtown to pay for his high school. La la la. That's like what they were saying about me.

Starting point is 01:05:38 And I confirmed all of this. You have to pay for your own way to private school. Why would I do that, first of all? Second of all, I confirmed it all. I was like, yep, all that's true. And let me tell you something, bro. No one fucked with me. Everyone let me be.

Starting point is 01:05:51 They thought I was cool, whatever. That was my way of getting all those guys to fuck off. It's an entrepreneurial thing, bro. Damn, that dude is... Yeah, it's always been like that. It's also doing the most for what? That was a fun time, bro. It's always been like that. It's also like doing the most for like what? Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun time though, bro.

Starting point is 01:06:07 Yeah, we used to always hear stories about Lil Wayne driving to school. Did y'all hear that story? Uh-uh. That Lil Wayne, like somebody got him a car when he was 14 and he didn't even have a license. I believe it. And he would drive to school when it was like a Hummer, I don't know, whatever was hot at the time. Fucking Prowler. Yeah, something like that.

Starting point is 01:06:25 And he would drive in park by the teachers and shit and nobody said nothing. Yeah. That was like a rumor that we always heard. Shit, that dude was famous since he was 14. That shit's crazy. And in juvenile, they used to have a rumor he chased a woman with an ice pick. That wasn't a rumor. I appreciate those rumors.

Starting point is 01:06:39 Yeah. On the North Shore. Yeah, in the neighborhood I live in. I remember like, so as a result of that, when I was- At least name a road after him But check this out when I was moving when they found out I was moving in the whole HOA had a meeting About a rapper. Oh just recently no when I When I first moved into that neighborhood a couple years ago. They had a meeting

Starting point is 01:07:00 about whether or not We like this rapper moving in. But I mean, little do they know that. I mean, dude, I'm so low key, bro. I ain't shit on. It happened to us too when we had recently moved to Florida. Oh, Florida too. Yeah, and they found out these two rappers

Starting point is 01:07:14 were moving into the neighborhood and they threw a fucking fit, bro. They were not having it and then we moved in, they realized we like are quiet, nice, friendly guys. Yeah, we're so born. I was like picking up my neighbor's kid from his school. Like, yeah, bro. Well, I think there's been a history of like, I mean, you had like, when I was in college,

Starting point is 01:07:32 Master P would come over to the rec center and shoot ball. And he would come with Silk and he would come with... Shout out Silk. Yeah. He would come with... Silk's still in jail, isn't he? No, see, Murder's still in jail. See, Murder would come with them and they jail in me. No see murder still in jail. Yeah, see murder would come with them And they would have all kind of guys over there But then some of those yeah, like see murder went to jail you had juvenile went to jail for a while

Starting point is 01:07:54 Then he'd be G went to jail I think there's so much history of a lot of New Orleans rappers like mystical went to jail Oh, yeah, so you have a lot of that culture. I think it probably damn I didn't even put all that together how many how many is fearful for a lot of that culture. I think it probably. Damn, I didn't even put all that together. How many New Orleans rappers? It gets fearful for a lot of guys. Busey was in jail for. Long time, like what, five years, four years? Eight, I think, maybe seven.

Starting point is 01:08:11 Eight? God damn. I mean, when you think about that. That's why Busey moved out. That's why he got out. BG was in jail for like a decade. I know. Like they were in the jail.

Starting point is 01:08:19 Oh yeah, well my dad was in there. Really? Yeah, BG was in there. No way. His dad told us a story about his dad was in St. Tammany and so was BG. Apparently BG one day just got fed up. Cause imagine being a rapper, you go to jail,

Starting point is 01:08:30 how many people are trying to freestyle to you? Oh my God. You know, like put me on whatever. Apparently a one- Put me on and I'm in jail. Yeah, put me on. Yeah, downstairs, just walking in here, they were doing it, but go ahead.

Starting point is 01:08:38 There you go, exactly. So apparently BG one day makes an announcement to everybody saying, if one more motherfucker comes up to me and freesides, I'm gonna have a big problem. And they said, okay, bet. And they just beat the shit out of him anyway. Or something like that. For, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:08:52 Your dad was in St. Tammany? Yeah, he was in St. Tammany. For like eight months, 10 months or something? Six. I think six months. It was a DUI. He shot your first video, like that week he got out. He got out. Yeah, it was so fucking crazy. It was like his first. He shot your first video. Like that week he got out. He got out.

Starting point is 01:09:05 Yeah, yeah. It was so fucking crazy. It was like his first day out video type shit. Did you guys' success give him like any cloud in the pin, did he say or anything like that? That was way after. Yeah, that was before. That was like actually right before we linked up and stuff.

Starting point is 01:09:24 Do y'all see that Rick Ross car show man? No I know I know he's been yeah I know he puts one on. He put one on in his front yard. You trying to go? I think it just happened I saw that Boosie before. Look at this. What? I gotta put my prescription on. That's his cars? No people bring their cars bro. So they say pay to buy tickets to to this. Oh, they probably got some crazy whips out there. Bro, there's a couple. Damn. This is Miami. Looks like Atlanta maybe.

Starting point is 01:09:55 I think it's, yeah. There's one. Damn. That's pretty wild. I've never seen no shit like that before. Yeah, that's pretty cool. See, you get the one with the horses, bro. When you roll in, they got horses. Oh yeah, I think that's a van that Holyfield's house you bought.

Starting point is 01:10:12 What is that, a fucking Ferrari? Just as a horse trough? What the fuck, bro? They got horses eating hay out of Ferraris, baby. Out of a horse, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's more horsepower, bro. People would just be thinking of how to flex, bro.

Starting point is 01:10:26 That's horsepower right there. Bro, that's kind of like a wild, that's a... People be coming up with the craziest ways to flex. You have to now, you have to. How much bigger can chains get? How much more expensive can your cars be? You got to start doing crazy shit. Yeah, look at this guy, all these speakers, this dude.

Starting point is 01:10:43 This was wild looking. Bro, is that that fucking Toyota? You know what I'm talking about, those SUVs? Yeah, that's this guy. All these speakers this dude. This is wild looking. Oh, is that that fucking Toyota? No, I'm talking about those SUV. Yeah, that's a FJ. Yeah, that's crazy. Damn with the Dolphins colors Dude, my dad used to have a cutlass my dad bought a cutlass from a couple brothers that live around a corner from us when I was a kid, I've told this story before but I only have so much stories but And my dad was a like probably 80 years old at the time right so he buys this bitch it had 22s in the trunk right he has no ID can't even fucking here so bro he was subs huh yeah 22s bro so I fucking huge

Starting point is 01:11:18 bro he got a trunk clothes but a dude had to get rid of it quick, bro. So my dad ended up with it, dude. And he would take us to school, bro. Oh yeah. And we're just, mm. What the fuck? Bro, my brother got braces and bitches fucking shrapnel. What were y'all listening to? NPR radio.

Starting point is 01:11:37 Yeah. Fuck. The news, bro. Cloudy. 80% chance of war. That thunder hit, though. That thunder hit with them 22s, bro. Clou-clou-clou-clou-dee. 80% chance of winning. That thunder hit though. That thunder hit with them 22s, bro. Dude, on Q93 though, it would be crazy because even the weather was like, we got a fucking 30% chance of them being hot as a motherfucker. It would always be like, damn, this is an adventure, bro.

Starting point is 01:11:58 It might be raining, bitches. Y'all stay woke. It was always like the weirdest weather report on Q93, man. Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was y'all stay woke. It was always like the weirdest weather report on Q93, man.

Starting point is 01:12:10 Yeah, a little bounce beat going behind it. It would always be something, bro. And B97, that was another one they had before that. B97 was more like top 40, but like because it was New Orleans, they also did like some hot boy shit. Wasn't Mark involved in B97 Kyle's dad was GM. Yeah, who's here with you today? Just so I notice we can represent. Yes That's our management Kyle and Dana. Yeah, nice to see you guys man respect as much as they try to stay behind the scenes

Starting point is 01:12:36 We always make sure they get seen. Yeah We also world is like that man. Everything is what I'm saying. It just feels like it's um Y'all it feels indie. Yeah, not in a bad way. It feels like it just feels like it's um y'all it feels indie yeah not in a bad way it feels like uh yeah it just feels like it's y'all's world it is even just even that little thing right there it's like a lot of people don't have their man who's coming if they do yeah they're in a suit or something and it's you know it just feels like a family to us but everybody around us we've been through so much with these guys yeah us our four person team right here yeah like some people like will Smith was going to come on.

Starting point is 01:13:07 Come on. But he had some issues. What was it? It was like. It was like a scheduling thing. And he wanted a little more control over the conversation. Like we do things where we couldn't, like just you couldn't ask about it.

Starting point is 01:13:19 So it was almost like then you're just an advertisement for like a movie or something. Yeah. You do not want to talk about the slap. Yeah, or even you couldn't even ask. So it was almost like then you're just an advertisement for like a movie or something. You know? You do not want to talk about the slap? Yeah, or even you couldn't even ask it. And I wouldn't have said like, hey, what do you hit a guy or something?

Starting point is 01:13:31 I would be like, maybe what's been going on in your life that's been hectic for you the past couple of years. Just talk about like, what makes you feel like that? I don't need to know like the detail. Just seemed like he would be having a tough time probably. Unless something was going on between them guys. But a lot of times too it's the agents that'll say that shit.

Starting point is 01:13:50 And the artists who ever don't have any clue. It's just how they want to control and prompt. Now we all. Now us, we talk all the time, everybody's on the same page, because a lot of things didn't happen because of communication being fucked up. From all of us, we all have dropped the ball

Starting point is 01:14:06 at some point a little bit with communication. So now, you know, the four of us, that is most important thing is communication and trust. So any fucking relationship, like, doesn't matter if it's professional, romantic. It's hard to find people to trust, bro. It really, I have a lot of trust issues. I've been fucked over a lot in many ways.

Starting point is 01:14:25 So I'm grateful that I have him. It helps that y'all went to high school together and shit. Yeah, yeah. It's my best. Kyle's my best friend. I mean, we're all brothers now, but me and Kyle were best friends since high school. Shit out of that guy.

Starting point is 01:14:36 Yeah. Yeah. He helped wash them bike tires off your shoes. But bro, we wouldn't. I mean, we were doing our thing and they helped take us to another level. You know what I'm saying? It really is a, only good things can only happen

Starting point is 01:14:52 with a group effort. It's definitely. Kanye said something not that long ago, man, where he's like, something I'ma mess it up, but something to the effect of like, nothing's a solo project. Yeah. Nothing is a solo project.

Starting point is 01:15:04 You know, like nothing's a solo, to your point, you know what I'm saying? It takes a team of people. It really does. I believe that. And even then, the team of people to absorb it and listen to it and want to feel it. Yeah, yeah. Because it's interesting that listeners of things,

Starting point is 01:15:17 and even us when we listen to stuff, we get a whole different thing out of it than the creator gets. Yeah. It's really kind of wild. Yeah. It's actually a good point, Theo. And I don't think that point gets brought up enough, either, because the listeners or the audience, rather,

Starting point is 01:15:30 is just as an important part of what the fuck we do and what you do. That doesn't get brought up a lot, I think. Yeah, because you could be a good chef, but if nobody's enjoying this shit. Eating your fucking food. You know, nobody thought they licking their lips or whatever, or putting a little bit in their napkin

Starting point is 01:15:44 for the doberman at home or whatever. Yeah. Put some Zatarans on it. Oh, we used to have a lunch lady, bro. She'd take everything. Bro, you wouldn't even be done. She'd be like, I'm going to get this for my dog. I'm like, I ain't even had one bite.

Starting point is 01:15:54 Can I have my crust back? I'm about to put a fur coat on if I can hang out on your porch. Then I'm fucking starving. Because she come take it off your plate before you even got to eat, man. That's too funny. But you guys love New Orleans. Are you guys featuring a lot of you guys' videos and stuff? It's obviously like a part of your life that you,

Starting point is 01:16:14 so even if you haven't felt like as much of a fan base here, you guys still have a lot of love for Louisiana. Yeah. I mean, dude, I think we both have a lot of love for just the Gulf Coast in general. This is the region we're from. We're comfortable here. Shaped who we are. Yeah, it's I mean, dude, I think we both have a lot of love for the just the Gulf Coast in general. Just this is the region we're from comfortable here, shaped who we are. Yeah. A lot of our personality style.

Starting point is 01:16:34 All of that. But yeah, I mean, dude, New Orleans and someone told us this early on. This is when so basically, if I had if I can give you a visual presentation, we were trying to go like this, start local, build regional, go like that. And someone informed us, I'm grateful they did. This is when SoundCloud started popping, internet rappers like, you know, Young Lean, Bones, Zay, when he was Ethel, all that was popping off. And someone was like, you basically gotta attack the internet because everybody here knows who you are.

Starting point is 01:17:12 You know what I'm saying? Johnny sees you at the gas station three times a week buying cigarettes. Like, he ain't really buying what you're selling. Whereas when you go through the internet and that's what we did, we were able to create this thing where we got poppin' in all these other places first.

Starting point is 01:17:31 And it literally started from Russia and then came back to New Orleans, was the last place. Really? The advice was don't go local to international, do the internet and attack an international crowd first because your hometown is going to be the last place that fucks with you. And it's true because they sure don't fuck local to international, do the internet, and attack an international crowd first because your hometown is gonna be the last place that fucks with you.

Starting point is 01:17:47 And it's true because they sure don't fuck with us. It's true, look, that ass. You know? But y'all, it's so interesting because there's a lot of New Orleans in it. There's a lot of New Orleans in it. You know? Dude, it's shaped us.

Starting point is 01:18:01 Me and him, bro, we like worshiped cash money. We loved Hot Boys. We wanted to be Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne was a huge influence on both of us. And I would argue that Master P is a huge inspiration to me and him. How that motherfucker started a label, had a rapping career, almost made it to the NBA,

Starting point is 01:18:19 was putting his son in Nickelodeon shows, he was making movies. This motherfucker's a Renaissance man. Oh, he was one of the first kind of black, he was kind of an early- Entrepreneur, yes, dude. Tom and Perry to everybody, especially from this area. He's like worth like 600 mil, bro.

Starting point is 01:18:31 He was a huge inspiration to us. Somebody that could just achieve all that. And especially from being from Calio projects. If we're not from the Calio projects, what's our excuse of not making it? You know what I mean? This guy went from literally rags to riches. Big inspiration on us.

Starting point is 01:18:45 Big reason. To us. A big inspiration behind doing the label rather than just focusing solely on suicide. That's a good point. That was why we did G5.9. Yeah. It was because of Cash Money No Limit.

Starting point is 01:18:57 Yeah. And then how do you get like, is Cheddar on G5.9? Yeah. OK. And Cheddar, Nite Lavelle. Germ Shake. Germ Shake9? Yeah. OK. Yeah. And Cheta, Naila Vel. Germ Shake. Germ Shake, Ramirez. OK.

Starting point is 01:19:08 That's the line up. We have about five artists, six including ourselves. Yeah. And so a lot of those guys will tour with you. I know Cheta toured. The last tour that I saw he was on. 2021. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:19 So. This year we're taking Shakewell. Shakewell. Yeah, we try to switch it up. We're here every tour. We try to switch it up. We're every tour you know. And also set those guys up but they do a great job of setting those guys up on their own tour so they get their own shine. You know what I'm saying? Yeah Cheddar just came out with an album. Yeah. What's it called? Sacrifice and Sabotage. Yeah man he's great bro. He's a good dude bro.

Starting point is 01:19:42 I love him and he and I have become pretty close. Yeah he's a good dude. He's a good dude, bro. I love him, and he and I have become pretty close. Yeah, he's a good dude. He's a hard worker. He is, he's got a big heart, bro. He's the only person besides me that I know that works as much as I do, bro. He gets it in. We try to show the boys love, and we've taken them on great day and stuff,

Starting point is 01:19:58 but with the other artists on our label, we try to take them on tour, but also, like he said, set them up on their own tours, because it's important, anything in this world that you get through hard work is going to be yours to keep for a very long time. But anything that was handed to you that you got very easily, it's not going to last very long. So it's important that these guys grind.

Starting point is 01:20:19 We're behind them, we support them and push them to grind and make your own audience. You can borrow some of ours, but I don't want that for you because it's not gonna last long. I want you guys to have your fans that you earned and I want it to be as big as it possibly can. And whatever we can do, to do that we will.

Starting point is 01:20:36 I don't think the shortcut of just giving it to you is gonna work. It's not gonna work. Yeah, yeah, and a lot of it's inspiration. No, it won't, that's a good point too. And a lot of it is even if you're just all the artists around each other, you inspire each other. You know? Like you're like, oh, I a lot of it's inspiration. Oh, well, that's a good point, too. And a lot of it is, even if you're just, all the artists you're around each other, you inspire each other, you know?

Starting point is 01:20:47 Yeah. Like you're like, oh, I'm learning from this beat or this thing or like, oh, this is cool or wow, look what he brought in and that's, you know, it's definitely like you guys' own, it's almost your own galaxy or something or your own like solar system y'all have going on. Yeah, thank you.

Starting point is 01:21:02 Yeah, it's interesting, man. What, so yeah, what is going to be different about the new music? What do you feel like if you had to be specific about it? Bro, I think Scott agrees with me. But sometimes when we make albums or projects and we don't really like, I don't know how to explain this. There's been projects that we put out that we thought were great and we wanted to do all these things for it.

Starting point is 01:21:28 And like they were great projects and they did their thing and like they came and went. But there's been a couple where we didn't even think about it. And I don't know, I have this weird feeling that this album is going to be huge. And I'm not just saying that to promote it or whatever. I'm not really one for self-promotion,

Starting point is 01:21:42 but we both have this weird feeling like, it's like when we don't try is what I'm trying to say. When we don't try, we make a fucking masterpiece. But when we're trying too hard, we make like some try hard shit. It doesn't sound as good. Try hard shit, that's such a good term, man. Yeah, that is good. Because sometimes we'll work on a clip or something, it's like after we kicked it, you can just tell like, man, we just try to shine shine this to or get it, you know, do something. And then we mess it up.

Starting point is 01:22:06 I think it was just, you know, it gets like, we never wanted to be in a box. We said that from the beginning, we wanted to be able to make whatever we wanted to make at any time. But as you grow, as you grow a fan base in this community, you kind of get put in the they get, they have expectations. You know, luckily, I feel like a kind of get put in the box. They have expectations, you know? Luckily, I feel like a lot of them have grown with us. There's still some of those out there that still, Suicide Balls was better in 2015. We went, oh, you were better when you were on drugs,

Starting point is 01:22:38 whatever, but to his point, this is my favorite album. Same. You know, I feel like I say that a lot, but like Kyle always says, he's like, dude, y'all just get better and better and better. I don't understand it either. I'm 35 years old. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? I should be retiring soon, but I do think one thing that has helped, you know, suicide boys sometimes can feel like a job. Because there's deadlines, there's like, we gotta get it done, there's expectations.

Starting point is 01:23:12 I think one thing that has helped like release the valve a little bit and like let some of the pressure off, he's been doing Duck Boy, which is like his little, going back to his roots and doing his band stuff and experimenting and being able to be free and same with me I've been able to experiment with some some some sound solo wise and then when we do that we you know I feel like we feel refreshed we feel loose yeah and then when we come back to SB you know what I'm saying like actually excited yeah the pressure like

Starting point is 01:23:43 I don't know I don't know how to explain it. Well, you can still feel like an individual, I think, because there's something that I'm sure, once you're in a group that part of the individuality, it's there, but it's partnered with something. So to be able to develop yourself more and then bring it to anything is probably pretty cool. And to still remind yourself that you can develop

Starting point is 01:24:06 as an individual. And I bet that's interesting. Is there collabs and stuff on this? No, no, we never, we never. Not really big on collabs. Right, you guys don't do a lot of it. So yeah, I was just wondering, is it something you guys ever think about

Starting point is 01:24:19 or do people reach out about it? We were supposed to do something with Ski Mask recently. But the thing is, dude, if you don't catch us when you catch us, you're going to be waiting another year. Because we move quick, and if you pass it up, then, like, bro, we can't rewind and go back. We have a lot of shit on our own plates that we have to get done.

Starting point is 01:24:39 That is the hardest part about collabs. How it happens. It's like getting it back in time. You know what I'm saying? I think it done. I think it's best whenever we like whenever we do joint projects like we did with Germ, Shakewell, when we all get in a room together and we're able to just like pound it out for a week or two. We just lock ourselves in the room for a week and yeah. I love listening to Shakewell dude. Shakewell is a very talented fucker. And he's so entertaining bro. Yeah bro. What was I watching that?

Starting point is 01:25:05 He was in that movie. You and him were in that movie right? Yeah. I was thinking about that yesterday. Oh, we hung out together for like probably two weeks. That's a solid fucking dude right there. He's awesome. So nice.

Starting point is 01:25:15 And just so like, I love how excited he gets when he like gets kind of some information and he's kind of telling you something. You know, like it's a... He gets that look in his eye. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. He's just such a warm guy. Yeah, and very talented.

Starting point is 01:25:28 So talented, man. I watched, they have that video, I think it's with Puyia, it's like one, it's all shot in one. Scrubs. Yeah, and uh, The gas station. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:39 That was really, Shakewell's like kind of coming out to the world right there. It was, that was like his debut. Yeah, it's old, it's old. It's like, been to Scrubs since day one. The best, there was that's like his debut. It's old. It's old. It's been a scrub since day one. The best there's a comment on it too. It's like, imagine you just going in to pay for gas and you get stuck behind this guy. That's funny.

Starting point is 01:25:54 But it was great, man. They did it. All you want is 20 on pump four and the dudes ahead of you make it. Put that credit card out. But yeah, man, when he gets those braids, he's got that Native American look in him a little bit. Because then he's part Mexican, isn't he? Half Mexican.

Starting point is 01:26:10 Yeah. Fucking wild, bro. He has that it factor to him. You know what I'm saying? You can have all the talent in the world, but you got to have that it factor. With Shake, you can tell it just comes naturally to him. Yes.

Starting point is 01:26:23 Shake had a background in the hardcore world, playing bass in that band Betrayal and shit, that like metal, rock, hardcore shit. So he had experience in music and playing shows. And I met him, we both met him when we went to LA for the very first time. We go to Fat Nick and Krez's crib. There's like, within, I don't know, a couple hours,

Starting point is 01:26:42 it's a party all of a sudden. Yeah. And in LA, I think it just kind of happens. Like there's no everyday plans. So we must have met 30 fucking people that night. I don't remember a single one of them until Shakewell was one that was consistent, like consistently hanging around Puya and stuff.

Starting point is 01:26:58 And then we were like, oh, you make music too? And when people tell you that and you have a little success with music, you kind of, you don't really know where the boundary is. Like think I want me to listen to it and like I'm I gonna like it Yeah, but his shit was fire. Yeah, and you know we kept our eye on him for a long time Did you guys ever tour in any of the same circles as guys like Mac Miller little peep those guys? That's so fucking weird that you brought that up. We were just talking about this yesterday We did a festival once in Sweden called Bravala back in 2017, our first European run.

Starting point is 01:27:27 And that festival's not a festival anymore because too many dudes were groping chicks like sexual assault style. So, yeah, watch it, dudes. Yeah, watch it, guys. We actually had to cut the show short a couple of times to tell them, back up, stop trying to grab titties, whatever.

Starting point is 01:27:39 Anyway, Mac Miller was at this festival and that was the first time we met him and kind of kicked with him a little bit. We also met Linkin Park that day too. Met Chester and Mike and Chester committed suicide. A month after that it was insane. Met Sway Lee too. Sway Lee's dope, huh?

Starting point is 01:27:57 Yeah, he's a cool guy. He's a guy that. Bro, imagine me, right? Like nobody fucks with us. And I'm walking and I hear, hey Scram. And like that high pitched voice, I turn around and Sway Lee. So I'm just, you know, in that moment,

Starting point is 01:28:10 I'm like, what the fuck is going on? It's pretty surreal. Yeah. It was one of those moments, me nodding people, where I'm like, bro, what the fuck is going on? Because we don't get the nod from a lot of industry artists or artists in the industry, rather. So we're always curious.

Starting point is 01:28:24 But some of it, you enjoy that probably right? Like it's probably good you're doing our own shit. I still work every day like I'm broke. I'm in the studio every day. I got this like I got this chip on my shoulder that I can't get off. You know and that's part of it. What do you think that has to do with sobriety? A little bit?

Starting point is 01:28:45 I think you're right. 100%. Because I got like that, dude, I would wake up at 1 p.m. on a Wednesday, like it was nothing, I didn't give a shit, and now I can't sleep late. If I'm not cleaning the house or doing something productive, I feel like a fucking piece of shit.

Starting point is 01:28:59 Good point. I think sobriety is a big factor. Yeah, I think I fell in love with my work, you know? I don't have a wife or nothing yet or anything, but I think my first love is my work. It's like, and I remember back to relationships I was in, I would get home with my girl, we'd have gone and done something.

Starting point is 01:29:13 And then next thing I know, I always remember I'm on my computer, I'm doing something. And she's like waiting to watch a show together, watch a movie or make some popcorn. And then after a while she's gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just sitting there.

Starting point is 01:29:25 I've been in a relationship now almost four years, and to your point, she was like, she respects it. She knows how I am. She knows how I work. She respects it. I can see how it would get frustrating from the female point of view. She was like, can you at least just

Starting point is 01:29:40 start taking the weekends off and hanging out with me? And I was like, yeah, you got a point. I can do that. Recently I had to start like cutting off work at like six o'clock, seven o'clock for the West Coast. Because with this job, whatever you want to call it, there's no hours, it's not a nine to five. Things can pop up at one a.m., things could pop up any day of the week

Starting point is 01:30:01 and you don't know when or where it's coming from. So I kind of for myself had to set something up to where it's like after six it can wait till the fucking morning unless it's an emergency. I had to put that limit on myself. Yeah you don't realize you kind of just start to think oh I just have to work but it's not really true it's your own choice. Then you wonder why am I going fucking crazy oh because I have too much shit on my plate I'm trying to do too many things at once and again I would attribute that to sobriety.

Starting point is 01:30:25 But all you guys' stuff is very hands-on. It's like even all your merch, the way it looks. It's like, yeah, it all like just like the fonts. It's all very specific to you guys' world. Our merch available next week. You're seeing two exclusive pieces. Really? I want those.

Starting point is 01:30:42 This is from the album. I'll give you this one when I leave. Yeah. I got a shirt in the car too if you want. Oh, I'll fuck, yeah. What size you wear? Probably- Large or XL?

Starting point is 01:30:51 High M to XL. Okay. So high M? Yeah. A medium motherfucker? This is a large. It's a big medium. So what the fuck's a big medium?

Starting point is 01:30:58 Kind of like a Toledo medium. Okay. I heard a shmedium, I ain't never heard of a big medium. God, a big medium. I ain't never heard of a big medium. Let me get them big mediums. Dude, I remember one time, bro, we used to make shirts before the Saints games, right? So, um, it was like, we would get them printed. Oh, my sister had made love to some dude or whatever. And that shit fell apart. And he left in the, in the settlement or whatever, she got like 350 black t-shirts, right? Damn, what? Yeah, like- What?

Starting point is 01:31:30 Large ones. So let's just, you know, double XLs, you know what I'm saying? Fucking those brother outfits. That's how I rock it, yeah. Talk to you. Yeah, yeah, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:39 It's got a Fountain Blue debut to you. Yeah, I still rock it like that. Yeah, that Fountain Blue, it's like a Fountain Blue homecoming dress. Yeah, dress. That's what it is. For men or women. That's what she got in a settlement. Yeah. That's pretty wild. So she got 300 of them bitches. So, and she and I were living together off a Claver and so we're like, damn bro, we got to make some fucking money, you know? And so we got some Saint shirts printed up and like with the Saint shit on it. So it was illegal. We couldn't have it. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:32:06 So we're walking before the Saints games just with ice chest and shit. I quit comedy for this about for about maybe nine months and we're walking and trying to sell them bitches. And some dude, angry dude came up and tried to order a couple of big mediums. Big mediums. That's what he said. Yeah. We tried to help him bro, but he wasn't willing to negotiate his

Starting point is 01:32:27 perspective of a medium. Right, right, right. Can I put an M in front of this L? Yeah, he was negotiating from a real unique angle. He wanted an X medium. What a guy. I'd like to meet him. My girlfriend would walk around, I know she was so embarrassed, not embarrassed, she was supportive, but she was like, this dude's got to get a fucking job. Yeah, sound like my dad, bro, when we were early on. He's like, you running up my fucking AC bill,

Starting point is 01:32:55 you running up it, oh yeah, dude. When this shit's going to work, you need to go get a fucking job. About music, you mean? Yeah, this was early on. In the studio all the time. So the studio we had was a little, one of those, you know them shades you can buy at Home Depot?

Starting point is 01:33:09 And like set up, it was that. Especially this is like back in 2002. The brown with the plywood and what's the house? This was like, what's the fake plywood paneling or whatever? Yeah, something like that. A plastic wood. My mom did hair in there and then she quit doing it. We turned it into a studio.

Starting point is 01:33:22 So I was living there on the couch. We were working in there. He'd come up like three, four days out the week and sleep. Everything before I want to die was made in there. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Even some of I want to die was. Some of his. Yeah. Some of it was made in there. King Tulip. That place is legendary. But yeah, he was bitching at me, bro. He's like, bro, you got to, you got to go get some fucking money, dude, because you running my shit up. You got people eating my fucking pantry out and shit. Oh yeah, bro. I would say that. fucking money, dude, because you're running my shit up. You got people eating my fucking pantry out and shit. Oh yeah, bro. Moms would always say that.

Starting point is 01:33:48 Well, you know how it's coming from here, bro? They think of Hollywood. They're like, man, this fucking pipe. Like, go to the shipyard, bro. Get a job. Get a real job. Yeah, go to the shipyard. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:00 My mom used to always tell us to get a paper ride or whatever. I'm like, everybody goes missing in this neighborhood. But yeah, I'm trying to think of the jobs we would get, man. I would just work in my dad's restaurant. Oh, snowball stand, bro. How many families in New Orleans have fallen apart over joint owned snowball stand dispute, bro? Someone should look into that.

Starting point is 01:34:23 People down here take them things fucking seriously, bro. Depending on the style of shaved ice it is, the quality of the syrup, people take that shit mad serious down here. Yeah, like we get this syrup fresh from Italy, people saying all kind of bullshit or whatever. You'll have somebody out of state being like, oh, a snow cone. And people are like, uh-uh, it's a snowball.

Starting point is 01:34:40 They get very defensive. It's a snowball, bruh. Yeah. Yeah, bruh. It's a snowball. My buddy Thomas Macaluso used to go snowball, bruh. Yeah, yeah, bruh. It's a snowball. My buddy Thomas Macaluso, he used to go to Jesuit. You remember him? That sounds so familiar. He used to make fake IDs and he was always selling those.

Starting point is 01:34:52 Macaluso is like a big New Orleans name, I think. Yeah. His brother's a cop. Fucking T Mac. He's the best, bro. Damn, I just... And he had a snowball stand and he opened up an Italian restaurant, bro. That's the Holy Trinity, bro. Right there, there's a snowball stand, and he opened up an Italian restaurant. That's totally fucking, that's the holy trinity.

Starting point is 01:35:05 Right there, snowball stand, there you go. Snowball stand, an Italian restaurant. Oh yeah. That also does po' boys. Oh, for sure, bro. You know. You can get a snow cone on French bread if you want, bro. They'll do my dad.

Starting point is 01:35:17 They do pickle juice in the snowballs, like that's a flavor. Yeah, it's a West Bank thing. They do pickle juice. People do everything, dude. Bagged shrimp on the side of the road, strawberries. I can't tell you how many crawfish shells I see just scattered around.

Starting point is 01:35:32 I thought we were going to do this chicken bone. Do this shit in the woods. I know you talked about it. I thought about it. It's too hot, bro. It's too hot, bro. And the sound, too. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:39 We'll have to catch it. But we got the streetcar going by. This is a... Oh, yeah. This is good. We were in here last night for a couple hours. These guys were in here. The vibes are right. We wanted to make it nice for you guys, man.

Starting point is 01:35:48 Fuck yeah. So this tour, where will you guys go? Like I know like you guys would go abroad and stuff like that, but like are there new places you add? Are there hot pockets? You said Russia was one of the places that... One of the first. That's one of the first places we ever went.

Starting point is 01:36:01 That's crazy. 2008, 2015, 2016. From fucking Laplace to Russia, bro. Pretty much. We like brought my dad with us because... He was our DJ. He was our DJ, bro. Not only that, but we didn't want to go to Russia,

Starting point is 01:36:16 though, because we were worried about like customs and do we had really had no experience traveling. If y'all saw Russia, immediately I would put y'all there. Oh, dude. Two of y'all make one Britney Grinders would put y'all there. Oh, dude. Two of y'all make one Britney Grind. It was sketch, bro. I remember, well, two things.

Starting point is 01:36:29 One, my dad ended up being the DJ, and it was funny because we had Scott's MacBook. Didn't we do this all for like a thousand bucks, too? The Russian shit was cheap. I think it was like something like that. Five, five. Yeah, and how'd you even find out there were your fans? Somebody hit us up asking if we, he emailed us,

Starting point is 01:36:48 he was a promoter in Russia, asking if we wanted to come over there and play a few shows, because we had a fan base out there. And we said, yeah, sure. And back then the experience was cool enough. We didn't care about the money, that was just a bonus. So we went to Russia, did Minsk, Belarus,

Starting point is 01:37:02 St. Petersburg and Moscow. My dad's up there behind us. First of all, hottest fucking shows ever. And my dad's on the MacBook and we taught him like, this means press the space bar to stop the song. If we do this, that means slowly turn it down. It's funny, he's sitting there with his glasses like. And he was so nervous.

Starting point is 01:37:20 He's in his 50s, he's in his 60s now. He's in his late 50s back then. his 60s now. Late 50s back then. Yeah. Oh, that'll age you 10 years standing there. I could tell he was like nervous as fuck and I felt bad. Where was it where they rushed the stage? That was... Bro.

Starting point is 01:37:36 Minsk. So we're in Minsk. If they rush the stage, hit the space bar. Last song, they just, literally the whole crowd runs up on the stage. I look back, I see uncle Pablo's I see his dad just sitting there like surrounded by people. He's flipping the fuck out. I was like turn it down or space Yeah, it looked like he was floating like they were carrying them. Yes. That was the youngest show we've ever played all those kids were like 12 13

Starting point is 01:38:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. it was wild. Minsk was interesting. I never even heard of Minsk. It's just right outside Russia. Just the fact that you're even saying that. To think that you could make something, right? That you could make something on the fucking West Bank. That you could make something in a parish, just in a small town in Louisiana,

Starting point is 01:38:21 and then there's people in Minsk, Russia. Yeah, it's crazy. It trips me out. It honestly is crazy. It really crazy. It trips me out. Honestly, it's crazy. It really does. It's unreal, man. Yeah, and this year we went back to Australia and New Zealand. Oh, is that it?

Starting point is 01:38:35 Holy shit, bro. That's Russia. I have in Minsk. Holy shit. 1305, 16. Wow, they have 13 months there? Yeah, holy shit. yeah, what the? Oh no, they put their days before the month.

Starting point is 01:38:49 I remember after this show, this is what, Minsk? Look at him, look at him. Look at him, look at him by the DJ. Dad in the back? Yeah. Yeah. That's my dad fucking DJing. Focused.

Starting point is 01:39:01 Damn focused as fuck, bro. DJ Uncle P, he's like, down, space bar, down like down space bar down he was a nervous wreck oh he ain't moving moving bro he got funny like a statue he is like when you're driving with two foot on each pedal yeah dude that is so funny that bro that's uncle P. I think I fell off stage. No, that was Moscow. I fell off stage and this Russia, this big ass Russian bodyguard ball, dude, fucking dead eyes.

Starting point is 01:39:33 Just the most, the smoothest thing. My leg fell, falls off. I fall off stage and he just like threw me back on stage. I was like, Whoa, that was crazy. It's wild over there. They don't have children playing with dolls that are made out of stone and shit. Those kids are tough. Yeah, it, that was crazy. It's wild over there. They don't have children playing with dolls that are made out of stone and shit. Those kids are tough.

Starting point is 01:39:46 Yeah, they're tough kids. It's a tough people, dude. It's a different world over there. It's a harsh country, you know? I respect Russians, bro. Those people, they get shit done, bro. They're nuts. They drink vodka and eat, what's that shit?

Starting point is 01:39:58 Pussy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Borscht. Borscht. Oh, borscht. Caviar. Some of the best sushi's in Moscow. Really?

Starting point is 01:40:06 Mm-hmm. Delicious. I wouldn't say go out there. I wouldn't. Yeah, I ain't going all the way over there. I don't know about now. I might go to Metairie to get something. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:14 I ain't going all the way over there. Yeah, go to Mickey Mouse or something. What was the place y'all would go eat at and stuff? Did y'all ever, when your family would go out to eat when you were kids, was there a spot your family would go that was kind of a nice place? No, Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut when you could sit down?

Starting point is 01:40:28 Yeah, when it was, you remember that? When it was like, it had that aura to it, you know what I'm saying? Nice, bro. It had that aesthetic. Not anymore. Go in. I don't think we really ever went out as a family when I was younger. Yeah, we didn't either.

Starting point is 01:40:40 Our biggest- That one. Yeah. Yeah, that was so nice. Now it's like a trap house for Ragoo, dude. Until this, I didn't see past Biloxi. Biloxi was like... Maybe Pensacola. Oh, dude, when I was growing up, bro, if somebody went to Florida, bro, you thought they was the fucking richest guy in the world. That's like the Yacht. Like, oh, we're going to Pensacola.

Starting point is 01:41:07 Yeah. You'd see somebody had a t-shirt that said Florida on him. Like, this motherfucker. Look at this fucking Republican. There's like a connection. Yeah. That's what you would think. 100%, bro.

Starting point is 01:41:18 Look at this fucking Republican over here in Florida. Fucking doing it. There's a lot of Louisiana people in Florida. It must be the Gulf Coast. I don't know. It's just so close. But there's so many. I won't say where, but we're on the Panhandle.

Starting point is 01:41:29 And yeah, it's a lot of Louisiana trans plants. Sure, there's a lot of comments saying. Louisiana was some of the first people outside of Florida to realize what a great spot Destin was, too. Some brave people. I don't even know who it was. Bro, that place was barren.

Starting point is 01:41:42 It was in like the 80s. No police, no roads, no nothing. And people lived out there. Let's say they bought a house back then for 30K. I mean, they're selling for like 10 million now. It's nuts. That's crazy, bro. That place is hot right now.

Starting point is 01:41:54 We could have bought one, bro. Who? Anywhere, anybody. I know, we should have. Stupid. Well, it's funny because you said about the Florida thing. I think it was like a, if your family from Louisiana goes to Florida for summer vacation,

Starting point is 01:42:07 if you went to Pensacola, you guys were well off, but if you went to Destin, oh shit. You would damn royalty, bro. Yeah, I didn't know people that went to Destin. Your dad, your stepdad must have owned a Subway or something. We had a girl in Coventry, and her stepdad owned a Subway, and they'd always go to Dustin. Yeah, step that on to KMB or whatever.

Starting point is 01:42:27 Those motherfuckers. Dude, I got a blowjob from Jared from Subway's sister one time in the corner. Shut the fuck up. Was it five? Huh? Was it five? Were you like eight?

Starting point is 01:42:37 I mean, I was, no, I would say I was probably about five. No, cause he's a pedo, you know. I don't have a ran in the family or what. I mean, I had a pretty small wiener at the time, but I was young, you know? I had that four inch round on me. They discontinued it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:51 Five dollar foot long? Remember that bread thing? He used to have that four inch round, but he got rid of that. Somebody's always trying new things and getting rid of them. Oh, yeah, somebody's ridiculous. Was that before the controversy with her brother? That was, let me see, 2002?

Starting point is 01:43:06 2002? Damn, brother. That was way before the controversy. 2002 to 2006, somewhere in there. That's like right when Jared first started being Jared. But yeah, was it fire? I don't know, I wouldn't say all that. I don't remember much of it. It was in the quarters late. It was indoors.

Starting point is 01:43:28 It was just something to do. Yeah. Well, it was. Yeah, we just, it was just toasted. It was a crazy toasted. You get a drink and chips with it. I got a drink and chips. Some Miss Vicky's. Yeah. Oh, Miss Vicky. That's the Subway hack. You got to buy a bag of salt and vinegar Miss Vicky's and put it on the sandwich. That's the hack.

Starting point is 01:43:53 I never done that. Get a little crunch in there. So I don't think if I got a good hack, I got nothing, man. I got nothing. I can't believe you got blown by Jared's sister. That's insane. That's fine. Yeah, sorry to tell you all that, too.

Starting point is 01:44:03 I just didn't know. No, dude, I love it. That's crazy, dude. I forget about it and then I'm in New Orleans. Tell me more. Oh dude, one time I went and saw fly like paper, get high like paper. Oh, MIA?

Starting point is 01:44:16 Yeah, I went and saw her at a... She blew you too? No. No, it would have probably been neat, but she, I saw the guy from Step Brothers there at the concert. John C. Reilly? Yeah. It was like 4 a.m. she finally went on.

Starting point is 01:44:32 That's crazy. That was cool. Yeah. House of Blues or some shoot? 4 a.m. It was over on a warehouse district, I know in Frenchman. Okay.

Starting point is 01:44:39 Trying to think of another good show. Oh, the first show I ever went to was at Rendon Inn. I don't know if you guys remember, it was an old restaurant they used to have. And Marilyn Manson played there. Damn. The 90s? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:50 Late 90s? Yeah, and we went to there, dude, and it was crazy. The craziest New Orleans venue was like, I think it was called The Warehouse. Yeah. All the dads loved talking about The Warehouse. They saw The Beatles and David Bowie and all this crazy shit, but that place goes down.

Starting point is 01:45:03 Oh yeah, my friend did a documentary on it. It's too old for us. Oh, really? Yeah, I think, what's his name? Played the Riders on the Storm. Jim Morrison. I think he played his last show there, they said. Wow, that's pretty crazy.

Starting point is 01:45:15 My friend Jesse Williamson did a documentary called The Warehouse. Yeah, they had a lot of artists go through there. That was like the spot, like back in the day. If you were, where was that? Was it in New Orleans? Teenager in the 70s? It was like a little outside, like by a river road where like uptown becomes Jefferson.

Starting point is 01:45:29 Oh, okay. That's what I think it was. Yeah. Right. I think so. It might've been more into the uptown area. How's that Nick treating you? It's pretty good.

Starting point is 01:45:38 You like the flavor? They're hit and miss bro, but it's. They hit and miss. Sometimes you don't know if vapes, if you buying them, if they getting them, if they remaking them, bitches in the back. Bull leg and shit, yeah. That's why.

Starting point is 01:45:49 So I don't know if you'll smell like a dude, you'll just be like, it's just like the guy's breath at the counter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, this motherfucker, this man. Yeah, yeah. Australia was tough with the vapes. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:58 First time we went, no, five years ago when we went, they only had 1% nicotine, that was kind of a bitch. Really? Yeah, and then this last time, I need that five. All the ones that we bought were all these crazy flavors and we're like coughing up all this shit. I'm like, bro, these vapes are not okay. That's why I like these.

Starting point is 01:46:13 Yeah. Overlyable. This is super light. I don't actually feel like out of commission or nothing. Like, too heavy. The early Esco bars, bro, was too much. I was doing those on road. You like to get sick, bro.

Starting point is 01:46:23 Oh, I was falling apart. I couldn't sleep, bro. I couldn't look at my mother. Yeah, I was doing those on road you like to get sick bro oh I was falling apart I couldn't sleep bro I couldn't look at my mother yeah this is a warehouse on Chapatula so that's where it was yeah that's my buddy Jesse made this document it's so crazy you said that place yeah where did you guys go watch some type of music like was there someplace a venue that you guys went to when you were young what was your first show you did that way more than I did I mean the first show I ever went to was when I was nine, my parents bought me in-sync tickets.

Starting point is 01:46:47 That was the first, I was like, when I was a kid, but. Damn, you've changed now. I've changed. As far as like. My first one was Britney Spears. Really? Oh my God. Look at that.

Starting point is 01:46:56 I think she's a Louisiana local. All changed, bro. I'm gonna say 100%. My parents thought they snapped by getting me tickets to Britney. Me and my dad went, it was weird. You and senior with Britney Spears? Yeah, brother.

Starting point is 01:47:10 If you knew his dad, you'd be like, what the fuck? I was like eight years old. They thought they snapped. People hated every second of that. Yeah, they thought they snapped. And they did snap, they did. I did go to like shows when I was a teenager being in bands and stuff.

Starting point is 01:47:22 I lived in Fat City. So they had Cypress Hall right down the street from the police station on Hessemer, and they had the Lions home that they used to do shows at by the Burger King on The Vision and Metairie. They had a few, the Warlands was good with the all-ages stuff. They had like places for teenagers to go.

Starting point is 01:47:38 Me and my friends' bands would put on shows and play, and you know, 100 kids would show up just to have something to do. And then they started, after Katrina, a lot of those places closed down and then it became like you know mostly bars and House of Blues but there was a lot of I was very involved in the music scene when I was younger down here. The Hot Boy, when the Hot Boys were running around there was so much going on bro New Orleans has always been a fun place.

Starting point is 01:48:01 Oh yeah. I was yeah I was more on the North Shore around that time. That's when me and you didn't really speak. Yeah. I was starting all the high school. I mean he and I didn't we didn't hate each other or anything. We were just growing up separately at that point. Yeah. Yeah. They had a band from the North Shore, Sist, 8 Candles or something? No. They had one that got really big. 12 Stones. 12 Stones. Yeah. That's it. The dude used to like babysit Kyle or some shit, the singer or whatever. Something like that, right? Really?

Starting point is 01:48:27 You grew up next door to that guy from 12 stones, the singer? Yeah, nice guy, I went to high school. What's his name? Paul McCoy. Paul McCoy, let's look him up. Bro, I heard a story about that guy that, you know, he's on that song, the Evanescence song. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:40 The wake me up, that song. I heard that they offered him a piece of the song, royalties, or just flat out 10 grand. And he took the 10 grand. 60 grand? Still, that song's made way more than 60 grand. But he bought a Lexus, bro.

Starting point is 01:48:55 He bought a Lexus. That's the thing. He bought a PT Cruiser. Dude, my boy Gabe Hall. See if you can look up Gabe Hall Cemetery on YouTube. It's Gabe Hall Cemetery Rapper. You still rapping now or is this some old stuff? This is some old shit, bro.

Starting point is 01:49:16 Cemetery Rapper. Oh, you're gonna have to go deep for this. You ever chill in the cemeteries being from Louisiana? No. No. No. Is that more of like a New Orleans thing? I think it is, bro. Sometime at Halloween, people would go do stuff over there.

Starting point is 01:49:32 In our town, people would dig one up every now and then. Yeah. Really? Yeah, this is him right here, bro. My boy, Curly Q, he used to make these videos, bro. Oh, let's go. This is the real shit. You love this. Wow. This is my doll right here.

Starting point is 01:49:55 This is the kind of shit that makes me want to fucking lay on my back with no shirt on. Oh, let's go. With the misfit shirt. Wow. Oh, let's go. With the misfit shirt. Wow. You just sat on that mausoleum like nobody's business. I don't know about it. He's sitting on some lady's chest. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:50:24 I want his confidence, you know what I'm saying? It's inspiring. The arm movements. Fucking right. Here comes the boy with the fucking doll. Oh, he going crazy. What the fuck? Where is this dude now?

Starting point is 01:50:36 He all on people's backs. You're coming boy with the fucking dog. He going crazy. What the fuck? Where is this dude now? He all on peoples grades bro, he going crazy. That's Norse Louisiana bro. How you know this dude? Why are Louisiana people so not self aware? That dog got me. That's what I'm saying, I wish I had this confidence.

Starting point is 01:51:02 Oh me too bro, look how he did. Pull up the second one, he's got another one on the front porch, it should be right next to him. Look at him dab, bro, this is hard. Yeah, he fucking goes hard with it. Right there next to a gay ball. How you know a dude? Grew up with him, man.

Starting point is 01:51:13 Oh no shit. So you knew this dude? Oh yeah, he had the trap house. Fucking right. Let's go, bro. Let's go, bro. Every white person I know in Louisiana smokes cigarettes. 100%, bro. They all smoke them through their nose, bro.

Starting point is 01:51:33 If their mouth is missing. It's just part of the culture, bro. They don't give a fuck, bro. If your mouth's missing, people probably smoke them through their nose, bro. But, dude, the best is his girlfriend's filming this and she keeps stepping on briars in the grass and yelling at him. Nah, stepping on what? Like little briars that are in the grass, little sticks.

Starting point is 01:51:48 Anyway, a shout out to my boy Gay, man. That shit was funny. I never thought about that, but it's crazy to see the things that people do to put their creativity out there. Everybody's got something, man. That's some Louisiana shit, bro. You're not going to see that in any other state. That's some Louisiana shit. He's the best, man shit. Yeah it's just a different kind of swag right there bro.

Starting point is 01:52:10 Yeah Gabe's a G. What other was there anything else in the news we wanted to look at? I can't remember if anything else happened. Have you ever seen the video of them testing the babes in China? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but them China men, they got a different type of lungs, bro. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good thing I still smoke. Somebody got to do it. I'm glad I still smoke Juul Pods.

Starting point is 01:52:36 Fuck. That's an elf or? I'll be honored to share that fucking DNA, brother. I don't care. They hard working, bro. Yeah. Oh, they hitting them a little too hard though. That dude. That guy's honked for it. This little dude breastfeeding bro. Bro. He like a damn hummingbird. Why is he exposed on it like this is something bad. Because they can't be doing that shit bro.

Starting point is 01:52:58 Bro what are you talking about man. This is fucking breastfeeding in Laplace homie. Yeah. about man this is fucking breastfeeding and laplace suicide boys man I'm so excited bro I'm so excited just to see and I think you guys are just such a place of inspiration for people you know even just talking with you guys today to see you create your own world you know and that it doesn't have to be something that mainstream accepts or even sometimes even sees whether they do see it or not if you know but whether they do see it or not, but they don't claim to. It's the same thing with podcasts

Starting point is 01:53:28 and kind of like they rarely ever reference podcasts. It's like, but that's because they're not involved in it. It's not their shit and that's okay. But you guys just have such a loyal fan base. What are your fans like do you think, man? Because that's one of the things that's so intriguing about you guys to me is y'all's fans are, it's just different, man.

Starting point is 01:53:49 We've actually, we've developed relationships with some of our biggest ones and actually brought them in the fold to help us out with certain stuff. I mean, dude, when they tell you, when they're like, dude, you saved my life. You did this, you did that. I mean, it's hard to hear 100% process.

Starting point is 01:54:10 Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't my intention. But at the same time, and this is this might be more than like a spiritual recovery tip ever since getting sober. I feel like I have this responsibility to let these people know that have seen us at our worst. Know that because I never thought there was a way out. I really didn't. I was like I'm fucked. This is it. It's just what it is. But to let them know that there is a way out. And if, yeah, there's hope.

Starting point is 01:54:47 Don't ever give up. Like if me and him can do it, bro, we can get drugs delivered on speed dial in the mailbox. But if me and him can do it, there's hope for them too. And we used to, when we could, after every show, we would take Tom out and meet with all the fans afterwards. We never like charged them for meeting greets and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:55:08 Like, oh, someone got more money than this person so they get to meet us. We didn't really like that. But now, unfortunately, it's gotten too big to where we can't do that. It's true. The venues won't let you stay. Those are things that happen.

Starting point is 01:55:22 We try to meet in the lobby for shows. But how do you look at it? We've been doing this for a long time and when we're on tour, bro, it's not like. It's hard. It's work, dude, it's hard. You gotta be on point every night, you know? Any little thing you can do, if you smoke a blunt afterwards

Starting point is 01:55:36 it could fuck up your throat. There's a lot of stuff that you gotta keep in mind and sometimes, dude, not every show is good and not every day on tour is fun. There's times where we might be going through it and we have to take some time for ourselves. And sorry, I know it sucks that we can't meet you this particular night, but I need to kind of

Starting point is 01:55:56 decompress a little bit. Yeah, you got to make sure the show's good for the next night. I mean, that's the most important thing. That's the most important. Touring is hard, it's hectic. Oh yeah. And yeah, people don't realize you want to be as good as you can be for every show. You just did. You know, but now we, we, we love and care about them. Um, and even if some of them

Starting point is 01:56:15 are still using you, there's no, no, but not at all, because you know why we get it. Right. I get it, bro. Like I get it, dog. Um, and some And some most a lot of people can party and they can do it. I tell them that like whenever I talk to everybody at the end of the night. I feel like it's important to say that like, you know what I'm saying? Like if none of this applies to you, like keep doing what you're doing. Fuck if you can have a good time and do and. Right. Like my hat's off to you, bro. You win.

Starting point is 01:56:42 You got it, dog. You got it. But you know, I don't know, we've that speech that started at the end real quick, that started from me. It was we just got back to doing shows. We were at Lollapalooza right after COVID. I was feeling all self-pity and feeling bad for myself and all this. So I was given this sappy, like, poor pity me at the end of the show that we did, A Lollapalooza, but it just somehow it turned into something else. It was inspirational speech.

Starting point is 01:57:18 Yeah, and to what it is. I mean, dude, one of the guys that works for us, he helps us run our social media accounts and he works with us on tour doing merch. You know, we met this kid as a fan, as our boy Six. We met him as a fan because he created the at G59 Records Twitter. And this was so early that Scott and I

Starting point is 01:57:36 hadn't even gotten around to making our own fucking Twitter yet. We had fans. Yeah, we had like a few thousand fans, whatever. But he was super in tune with underground music and he knew about us and loved us, and we messaged him being like, yo, can we have that account?

Starting point is 01:57:48 Like, you know, it's our name. He's like, yeah, I was just making it so nobody else would, you can have it. And we're like, okay, cool. And then a few months later, we're actually going to do a little Texas tour doing Houston, Dallas, a few shows. And he's there?

Starting point is 01:58:01 And he's in Dallas. And he was like, we're like, dude, come meet up with us, whatever. He also could get us drugs, some Percocets, some Xanax, some weed, whatever. And we met him and we realized we liked this kid and we're like, you know what, you took the initiative, it's yours.

Starting point is 01:58:13 And that's how he became the guy who like runs our social media, is through that. And that was, you know, back in 2014, 2015. And like to answer your question, that was a fan who is now part of our team. I lived with him for two years, he's like a family member. Oh damn. Yeah man, well that's how I met Nick,

Starting point is 01:58:29 one of our early producers. He emailed and just said, hey man, I like the podcast and I think I can help. That's how, there's this kid named Aiden, he showed up at a show in Buffalo, right, and shook my hand in the parking lot. And he's like, hey, I can be your photographer tonight. And I was like, all right, we don't have a photographer.

Starting point is 01:58:51 So come on in, bro. So fast forward, the show starts. I'm out there an hour later. I see this dude just walking up out the side of the stage, bro, with his cell phone. Like this, bro. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? So the whole time, bro, he got fucking just,

Starting point is 01:59:05 he's like laying on his back and shit on the floor. Just unbelievable, dude. I respect the initiative. Oh, he finessed me so much, man. But fast forward two years later, he's at the show with his family, he's got cameras now and he's a real photographer. No shit.

Starting point is 01:59:20 And so it's just like. Hey, at least he was fucking grinding with what he had. A hundred percent, Brian. He just kind of caught you at the right time. I was walking in, coming up the little tour bus and it was just like, you know, Hey, what's up, man? I can be your photographer and you kind of respect, you know,

Starting point is 01:59:35 some of the things got to catch you in the right moment. But yeah, somebody that can see your Twitter and see that you have a capability before you can even see it sometimes. That's actually crazy, man. The equipment doesn't give you drive or talent. Dude, all of our videos, have a capability before you can even see it sometimes. It's crazy, man. That's actually crazy. The equipment doesn't give you drive or talent. Dude, all of our videos were iPhone. Shot with an iPhone and I just edited it on Final Cut.

Starting point is 01:59:51 He was using GarageBand to make the beats, you know? A free program that comes with Mac. I downloaded Photoshop. I illegally pirated Photoshop and cracked it. And the only languages available for Photoshop were Spanish and Hebrew. And I chose Spanish because I took Spanish in high school. So I learned Photoshop all in Spanish,

Starting point is 02:00:12 just like figuring it the fuck out. So I didn't shell out all this money, I learned it myself because if you have the drive, you have the talent, the equipment does not matter. We got gold and platinum records that were done on that free platform that comes when you buy a Mac. That's the whole reason I bought it was because it was free.

Starting point is 02:00:29 It's one of our biggest songs of royalty free samples. Yeah. Anybody has access to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It really is, man. It's inspiring, dude.

Starting point is 02:00:39 I feel so lucky to have gotten to do this today, man. Same, dude. Same. I'm glad that we've, you know, we met. I remember when you showed up at the, I hope, I hope I'm not, yeah. At the 12 step meeting. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:49 Oh yeah, it was cool, man. And when you showed up and I was, you know, I was, I know how that is and I didn't- You're stoked. I didn't want to go up to you. You know what I'm saying? Cause I know what it's like to be in the meeting and like just kind of sacred.

Starting point is 02:01:00 But not be anonymous. When I saw him, I was like, this guy's not doing well. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this dude. We lucky to have this dude with us. So we didn't talk that night and then when I left I sent them a message on Instagram. He called me he's like bro you know he's in my fucking meeting. He was stoked. I was stoked too that he met you. Yeah that's cool man. Yeah I think I met Cheta first. Did you? Yeah. I think I did.

Starting point is 02:01:25 I don't remember how. But he's just been such a great guy to get to know, man. And yeah, dude, it's inspiring, man. I'm glad you keep people alive. And I know you have guys that you support in those rooms. It ain't me, bro. I wish I could take the credit. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:39 You know what I'm saying. Amen. Yeah, I'm glad we got a higher power that's trying to help. That's helping to help. That's helping us help ourselves. Yeah. From Florin to ceiling, bro. From Florin to who knows what heights, man.

Starting point is 02:01:53 Thank you guys so much just for the inspiration, man. I think to so many young artists and people that if you're sitting somewhere thinking, can I do this? Or how do I do this? I mean, it's unreal. Just do it. Yeah, it's unreal. Just do it. Yeah, it's unreal. That's literally it.

Starting point is 02:02:07 Just fucking do it. That's the advice I always give is, what did you do to get here? Persistence. Whatever, persistence, consistency, fucking drive, dude. And just taking that first step is the biggest step. Because you know what? You may think you want to be a fucking rapper or whatever,

Starting point is 02:02:23 but you might actually go to do it and realize, I don't want to do this, this sucks. And you're not going to know unless you take that first step. Right, and then I'll lead you to the next thing. Exactly. You might miss the next thing because you don't go to the first thing. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:02:35 And it's all timing, it's all chess game. Just don't overthink it. Just do the damn thing and everything will start to fall in place at some point if it's supposed to. The new album? New World Depression, June 14th, baby. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:47 Drag them to the river. Excited. Put your body in, check out. What was that song? I can't. Put your rope around the neck, he's a bad ass. That's yellow boy. Oh, man.

Starting point is 02:03:02 UNLV. I'm from that area. UNLV, yeah, I couldn't think of it. Where were they from? Here, they're uptown I think. Were they from here? Yeah, they're from New Orleans for sure. We sampled them on the album.

Starting point is 02:03:10 It was uptown, living violently. Y'all did? Yeah, I can't wait. You're going to love it. Oh, man. Yeah. Dude, that's exciting, man. Ruby Scrimm, thank you guys so much, man.

Starting point is 02:03:18 Thanks for having us, man. Best of luck on tour. And shout out Tyrell Shaw for this beautiful art, man, for letting us sit in the back here. That might be Louis Armstrong, man. I don't know, it's a saxophone. It's a saxophone. It's a saxophone. It's a, man. Best of luck on tour. And shout out Tyrell Shaw for this beautiful art, man, for letting us sit in the back here.

Starting point is 02:03:27 That might be Louis Armstrong, man. I don't know, it's a saxophone, so it might not be, but it's a jazz player. Either way. Either way, he's got a studio right over here on, I think this is Chow Patula? Carondelet. On Carondelet, yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:39 So here we are. Suicide Boys, thanks. Oh yeah, gang. Sure. Here we are, Suicide Boys. Thanks. Oh yeah. Gang. Thanks, sir. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Ooh.

Starting point is 02:03:56 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little

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