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Starting point is 00:01:04 And thank you so much for your support. Today's guest is one of the biggest young acting person people in the world, acting humans. You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka, a beautiful boy, and now his new movie A Complete Unknown where he plays Bob Dillon in theaters Christmas Day you can check it out I had a great time getting known he's an enthralling dang human today's guest is Timothy Chalamet I'm such a fool

Starting point is 00:01:49 We were just in Nashville Let's start there. We good Zach? Yeah Cool beans Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw you were just in Nashville. Yeah, had you been there before? Yeah once kind of exploring I was doing a movie called bones and all trying to do research. Oh, yeah My producer's favorite no way. Yeah, I mean just met it yet. Yep, that guy, Zack is his name. No way. And he loves it, yeah, he really loves it. No way, so I had wandered there

Starting point is 00:02:10 and this time got a better sense of it, but it's a great city, huh? Yeah, it's a good place. It's like a little city. It's like a little city, kind of like a fancy little city. It's almost like the Jambonet of cities. Of cities.

Starting point is 00:02:23 Kind of like, you know, look at this outfit, kind of, you know, but dangerous at the same time. But it has like kind of like an element of like mystery, kind of, that's kind of a weird example. No, but you're not, are you from there? No, I'm from Louisiana, but naturally, here's what it is. It's safe, it's nice, people are friendly. You can't cheat on your wife there, so it's not-

Starting point is 00:02:43 Because the city's too small? Too small. Okay. You couldn't take your wife wife there, so it's not... Because the city's too small? Too small. Okay. You couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other. You couldn't even, yeah, like... And you couldn't take them to a dinner or something and not see somebody that would know... Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of you or them.

Starting point is 00:02:55 So it's... There's like 14 people? Yeah, well there's just enough people, but it's a... This house is a little gossipy. Uh-huh, okay. So there's a lot of like,'s not a really an adultery city It's not a city that's adulteries not like a trademark of the city. Probably is it how's it different from New Orleans? New Orleans is a little bit more dangerous. I think you know and better probably better food to be honest, okay

Starting point is 00:03:17 I think you have to have crime to have good food. That's kind of how I feel. That's I've never heard the MO really Yeah, that's interesting. Oh ever had that Yakum in New Orleans? That Yakum? Is it, it's not a drug, is it? No, no, no. Okay, cause I've had that. You've never had Yakum? I haven't had the edible version, no.

Starting point is 00:03:36 Oh, this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, this Vietnamese food. I don't think so, I was watching top five, like top five New Orleans street foods. That yuck. I'm homie. Yeah. Wow That's a deep cut right there. It is a very deep cut. I thought it came in a small baggie Yeah, I haven't had this But you know New Orleans has one of the largest Vietnamese populations really in the country. I did not know that never been in NOLA

Starting point is 00:04:02 I think so you haven't never oh man A lot of stuff shoots there for some reason I just haven't haven't been there before Yeah, it's mythical. You know Nashville reminded me of Austin a little bit. You know 6th Street. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. That promenade a little bit. Yeah, yeah for sure. Sort of yeah, but yeah Yeah, that Broadway that area that area is really interesting down there. What else about Nashville that I really like You go to the soccer games ever Nashville SC? I haven't been to that I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games.

Starting point is 00:04:27 I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games.

Starting point is 00:04:35 I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games.

Starting point is 00:04:43 I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the football games. I love the high school also and then the children's school or whatever? So it's like you can go there from K to Senior year of college. Yeah, you could go from my K to 40 4,800 students Okay, but their soccer team was ranked has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years So you love like your die-hard, you know season ticket holder There all the time My neighbor who's the coach you like hey you, hey, you might have a pop-by.

Starting point is 00:05:05 You might have a pop-by and you're in there, cool. And he'll be on the field, he'll be like, yeah, sure, pull up. You get the McConaughey UT pass, you can go wherever you want? There's not a lot of bleachers, so it's pretty... So you're basically on the field all the time. I was amazed, I was at that UT Georgia game, McConaughey gets full license. Oh, you went to that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:21 He can do whatever he wants. Because I already had a field pass, I thought I was pretty high level in some way. He's like with the coach. He's calling plays. He's taping a guy up. He's taping a guy up. He's like, you're going to be alright. He's living the experience. I got a buddy who's on the national soccer team, his name's Alex Mule.

Starting point is 00:05:38 Oh really? Let's pull him up. Let's give him some sign. Because I need to go watch him. You think if I hit him up he would invite me to a game? Absolutely. And the games are often sold out. You know I grew up with this guy Alex me yeah, but he was always Mu il that's the bane of his life man. Oh yeah people like you know you yeah, this is amazing man I wish this is like this is what AI is gonna be in 20 you just say it and it pops up Oh as we're talking to the computer follow. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I never thought about that Have you tried um do you use the VR the vision oculus that kind of thing no no

Starting point is 00:06:11 They're the well oculus to I guess but the air pod we like blue blockers or so the vision pro vision pro What is it the Apple helmet, but tell me about mule? I just want to yeah my bad, so you played ball with him growing up I played ball with him growing up, he was just gifted, you know. It's tough, you know, you could play like, it's like that last dance, Chicago Bulls documentary. Some of those guys will be partying all night and then they'll, then they'll drop,

Starting point is 00:06:33 like Dennis Rodman will drop 40, you know, it's like, I could work my ass off. If you don't have the gift of physical talent, of athleticism, you're cooked. Yeah, you're done, dude. Yeah, some people got that damn, you got a damn foot Mozart out there. I don't have that. Yeah, Alex Mule is a foot Mozart. Really? Yes, you're done, dude. Yeah, some people got that damn, you got a damn foot Mozart out there. I don't have that.

Starting point is 00:06:45 Yeah, Alex Muel is a foot Mozart. Really? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's fire. Yeah, I gotta go check him out, man. I haven't been to see a game. It's unfortunate. I did get to go see Vanderbilt,

Starting point is 00:06:55 which is the college that's, that's the SEC college that's actually in Nashville. That's what I visited, yeah. I was at Vanderbilt. Oh, yeah, I saw a video of you out there. You know, I never had that American college experience. You know, I went to Columbia for a second, then I went to NYU, so I'm jealous of that.

Starting point is 00:07:09 But Vanderbilt, respect to Vanderbilt, it didn't feel like UT or, it didn't feel like it had a huge campus or a huge. No, it's a smaller, it's a smaller energy. But we went to one game this year, they played Alabama and they beat, they upset Alabama. So that was huge. It was crazy.

Starting point is 00:07:23 Because usually their football program's not that good. It's not. And they know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So crazy. Because usually their football program's not that good. It's not. And they know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, we're not, it's not a secret. No, no, no, you gotta keep keeping their place. But that was the game they won, and look, they didn't even, it was like all these lawyers and attorneys

Starting point is 00:07:33 like tearing down the goalposts. No way. They had a, there we are after the game, we actually, we uh. Is it a big law program? Carl Lee is their coach, and he's an awesome guy. I mean, he's a class act. He just gets smoked here Oh we got to, yeah. There you are. What are you doing on the field? What are you doing on the field? You almost ran that person over. Hey bro. That's amazing.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Put on a helmet girl. That was a girl that should not have been. Yeah, yeah. You almost ran her over. Yeah, she shouldn't be playing wide out. It's just different. But no, what's it like there? Oh, after the game, so they had engineers like, how should we take this down? And then there's just drunk kids like, just rip it down. And then they carried it down Broadway, which is the street you were talking about, the goal post.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Because they'd never had it happen. And those kids had never broken a law in their life. Yeah. They even tried to valet park the goal post at a restaurant. Is it an expensive, fancy type school? never broken a law in their life. Yeah. They even tried to valet park the goalpost at like a restaurant. Yeah. Is it like an expensive, fancy type school? I mean, I don't think it's a lot of kids that have ever played probably dice in an alley, I would say that.

Starting point is 00:08:33 So I would say it's probably pretty decent. Man, that's pretty crazy, huh? But it is a really cool program, man. I feel like I could see three stadiums from my hotel. I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt one, the Tennessee Titans one and Nissan Stadium shout out Nissan yeah is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer that's a good question I don't think so it sounds uh Nissan it's Japan Japanese it's Japanese huh oh um dude thanks for coming in Timothy I appreciate it man and thank

Starting point is 00:09:02 you you know I not with the shameless plug, but I got this movie, A Complete Unknown, coming out on Christmas Day. Did you actually see it? Yeah. Fantastic, man. So I'm excited that we can actually talk about it. And I was very much in the time period of the movie the whole time, trying to stay without being a dick, you know, within the bounds of the character. But somebody in the hair and makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered

Starting point is 00:09:24 it. And particularly the episodes with the garbage man the character, but somebody in the hair and makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered it. And particularly the episodes with the garbage man and sort of the real life episodes, the lunch lady, the coroner. Wayne, yeah, Wayne the garbage man. He's doing good. Those were like awesome episodes, you know? And sort of like worldviews that I wouldn't get otherwise.

Starting point is 00:09:41 Yeah. And you're from New York, right? I'm from New York, so garbage man, he totally recontextualized that for me. Oh, he did a great job because they used to have um they used to have They used to hate them. You know yeah Yeah, because you think they're taking their time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, and I realized how tough that job is I mean he was throwing throwing dogs in the back of it. I mean that story's you remember that there's a lot of yeah A lot of yeah missing I mean that story is, do you remember that? There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of missing,

Starting point is 00:10:06 formerly living things started to disappear. In the back of the, whatever. Well they used to have incinerators in the buildings, that's what was crazy. So that the people would put their trash, it would hit the incinerator, and then they would just have, I mean this is like six years, seven years ago I think,

Starting point is 00:10:21 but they would just have soot in barrels, or in cans on the side of the street. And then they started getting bags. But he said, yeah, there's been times where a lot of things have shown up. But thank you, man, for checking it out. Yeah, all right, man. Or for just hearing it on accident.

Starting point is 00:10:33 No, hearing it on accident, loving it. And I'm so happy you saw this movie. And this is like, you know, I hope this isn't like a shameless self-plug. No, it's not at all this. Yeah, okay. We're happy that you're here, and it's interesting. I appreciate it, yeah, I appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:10:44 And you get to do a biopic or biopic. I still don't know, man. Biopic sounds like a medical procedure. Yeah. You know, that sounds like someone, you know, is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the role the right way. I like biopic. Biopic sounds fancier. Yeah, biopic does sound fancy. I think that too. Yeah, biopic. So let me think about a question like that Just so people know this is about a four or five year period in Bob Dylan's life

Starting point is 00:11:09 This is a period four or five year period in the early Bob Dylan's life And I'm sure a lot of people listen your program are already fans of Bob Dylan's But I'm sure a lot aren't just in my generation, you know Yeah people some people know so don't know and he's really one of the most fantastic American artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways And it's just you know I grew up on on Kitt Cuddy and hip-hop and that was really my you know my my my passion and then somewhere in my 20s Because this movie I was working on I became obsessed with this this man Bob Dylan was absolutely

Starting point is 00:11:42 I could just speak about him endlessly and you know, I Would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest discover the world of Bob Dylan I feel like we get to be a bridge and we can gateway to this to this guy and I hope this isn't one of your episodes where you got like someone You know like one of the most people skip because it's like a person plug-in so you know saying like like a I don't use that word celebrity but like you know because my favorite episodes yours are oh like a fancy like a fancier person hypothetically no I mean like that but just like I like like I said I like the ones that we don't have like a

Starting point is 00:12:15 lot of celebrities on you know saying yeah I never really use that word but um no that's okay yeah no no I don't think so look man I think I feel like this part of the job is that though cuz when I'm working I'm really very much in it. You know I mean and then here Anyway, yeah actors get kind of a weird rap though because then they also have to be celebrities in some way Yeah, in some way and that's it If you want to if you want to get your movie out you there's only a limit of how? Pretentious and some way you know, whatever, you know, I want this, especially this movie.

Starting point is 00:12:46 I believe in this movie and I believe in this man. He's a tremendous artist. So I want to, I want to, you know, get it out there. Yeah. No, I don't think that's, man, I think that like you did the movie with the young man with drug addiction with Steve Carell's son. Oh yeah, Beautiful Boy. Which was awesome.

Starting point is 00:13:03 Yeah. Yeah, I know you struggle with that a little bit Carell's son. Oh yeah, beautiful boy, yeah. Which was awesome, man. Yeah, I know you struggle. I'm like, thank you for that. Yeah, I know you struggle with that a little bit, yeah. Yeah, man. And so many people have. And it's like, so I don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to be a bridge between whether it be a story or a person

Starting point is 00:13:22 to a new generation or to new listeners or people kind of imbibing it. And I appreciate you bringing a beautiful boy and I feel like you're doing the exact same thing, not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you- Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here. Come on, come on.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah, boy. We're a couple of- Yeah, oh yeah. If you're listening to this and not watching this, we're fully, the bottom half of our bodies are- We're out here boofin', huh? spicy out here with that man. I don't either I don't even know what that means that out but no but uh, but uh, Because I know you speak on it too and you probably empower people, you know that

Starting point is 00:13:56 otherwise would be um Doing some naughty stuff here people want to hear us people want to see it People want to see like a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about. Yeah, exactly People want to hear us. People want to see it. People want to see like a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about. Yeah, exactly. So about the character like, so Bob Dylan has like such a famous, because yeah, a lot of younger generation might not know about him, you know? Yeah. And a lot of, he has such like a... That's a good Bob Dylan, man.

Starting point is 00:14:19 Was it? Yeah, that was good. How did you do, when you first decided, because I'm sure you had had a practice sitting your room or something like Tell me about the first that was super gradual can't do with people that are fans because people that are fans of Bob Dylan will go They'll all tell you got it wrong. That's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved. Everyone's got an opinion about him Yeah, so you gotta put the blinders on and just kind of do it around people that You know look me. I'm usually not that prick actor Who's like obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the Character he's working on it, but this is the one time I did that

Starting point is 00:14:48 Oh, I think you have to do that. Yeah, you don't want to get out there and do a bad job of it Exactly, man. This this would have been blasphemous. I would have gotten Killed I mean I could still get killed. Yeah, but now it seems like you know Get a little bit of love, you know what I'm saying? Hey snipers down lay down snipers yeah but was there a moment where you tried that where you actually tried it? Yes very gradually um I had to there's a great dialect coach named Tim Monik you know you can work with people that are like experts in this field and they'll tell you how to go about it.

Starting point is 00:15:20 This man Tim Monik invented dialect coaching he came up with it. Tim Monik let's bring him up. He's worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He's worked with everyone. So he's a famous dialect coach. I've never looked him up before. Tim Monick. There he is right there. Is that the man? Yeah, there I am with him. I got in trouble anyway. You did? What happened to you? I got in trouble because the strike had just hit and I was just hanging out with him and I didn't really get in trouble. People thought I was a scab and I was working with him. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:52 But he's a- Crossing lisp lines or whatever? You're right, dude. You're right. You're right. That's the only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue. Yeah, that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Don't say it, but it was a real thing, dude. Oh yeah, really? Scab! Stop working on the accent. How dare you learn Spanish? Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Wow. Man, next time I'll call you.

Starting point is 00:16:16 Because actually when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do? You know? And I wasn't working with him, I was hanging out. We went to a shitty super shitty It's bleak man like the way Bob Dylan when he came up There was like all these cafes in downtown New York and the music and now I went I was trying to find the folks scene In modern-day Manhattan. It was brutal. Oh, I think manhand probably maybe like in this somewhere in the village probably right yeah But it was brutal. I mean I went to cafe while where Bob Dylan came up, and it's just like Aerosmith covers now so some came up and it's just like Aerosmith covers now. So some guy goes, J-V-O! And you're like, oh man, this is not how it was.

Starting point is 00:16:48 It's just like a small Aeropostale in the back kind of. Yeah exactly. Yeah that's kind of a bummer. Did you have to meet Bob to get into this? I never got the chance to meet him. Not yet at all. Oh he's super reclusive. Yeah he's elusive and reclusive. Oh yeah. He's that reclusive? Yeah I don't know if we'll ever see the movie. Yeah he's a, he did this ex post I've been taught to say, it's not tweet anymore Oh, yeah, yeah, we don't know if I'll ever see the movie. Yeah, he's a he did this a ex post I've been taught to say it's not tweet anymore. I guess fucking ex post but uh, they did it like three days ago, you know and That was more than he he there's a movie about me opening soon called a complete unknown Timothy Chalamet is starring in the lead role Tim.my's a brilliant, Timmy is a brilliant actor. I kind of respect it though, nice.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Honoring your youth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Timmy's my 12 year old expression, dude. Timmy's a brilliant actor. I'm sure he's gonna be a completely believable as me or a younger me or some other me. The film's taken from Elijah Wald's Dylan Goes Electric, a book that came out in 2015.

Starting point is 00:17:43 It's a fantastic retelling of events from the early 60s that led up to the fiasco at Newport after you've seen the movie read The book that's nice super sweet So do you even talk to him on the phone or anything? Yeah, no nothing. I never got the chance to talk to him Yeah, I like the point of the Timmy. I tried you know when I was 1920 I was you know I was evolving into Timothy as it said you said some letters Add some letters add some letters from Timmy to Timothy. Yeah I thought you were going Tim, sorry. Tim would be, you know.

Starting point is 00:18:10 You're going Timothy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim like I said. Timmy to Timothy. Yeah 40s, 50s, couple ex-wives. Then you go Tim. Then you go Tim, you know, I'm like, you know like mowing my lawn all day. Yeah, hey Tim.

Starting point is 00:18:23 Exactly. Missed a spot. Missed a spot Yeah, you know like how's a bird's nest there? Calm down You know sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids sports games Yeah, because they're not playing to the level that I was a swim meet to Swim meets the worst because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room I've never been to a swim meet in my life. Even if you whisper a little, the people here at S. It travels. Yes.

Starting point is 00:18:46 Oh, you cannot gossip about a swim meet. How many swim meets? You go to ellipse go home college swim meets? I mean, I don't go to the, I've been to, yeah. Yeah, be careful dude. Yeah, I do, you're right. And it is, and I definitely watch from my car with binoculars, so it's not too creepy.

Starting point is 00:18:57 So it's normal. It's totally normal. You've been, so the fact you've been doing it since your early 20s means that, you know, it's cool. I've got a grandfathered in. Your grandfathered in. That guy's not a pedophile, he's an artist. He's an artist.

Starting point is 00:19:08 And this show happened, you know, this show sprouted in this period if you're doing that. So how can you fault the process, the proof of the pudding? Yeah, the guy, how do you expect him not to rehearse his own life? But yeah, that's the thing, you just can't gossip at a swim meet, man.

Starting point is 00:19:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are we talking about? I don't know, I've never been to a swim meet. You know, that's a very non, you can't that's the thing you just can't gossip at a swim meet man. Yeah, yeah talking about I don't know. I've never been to a swim meet. You know that's a very non You know like there's four pools in New York City. Oh, yeah, you know I mean that's yeah, we don't swim meets, but we have What do you guys have nice now? He's like you're saying before no I'm kidding But uh you know awesome this other day like my high school They wouldn't let us out for lunch would they let you out for lunch or no? Oh, yeah? You can do whatever you wanted at lunch. They didn't let us out I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school by wouldn't let us out for lunch. Would they let you out for lunch or no? Oh, yeah, you could do whatever you wanted at lunch. Yeah, they didn't let us out I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school by the time I got out

Starting point is 00:19:48 I looked sickly I haven't recovered. Oh, it got very you got kind of like you have very on emic. Yep anemic I'm sure what else is called kind of boo Radley ask exactly exactly exactly, you know Yeah, because they should give you at least an hour in the Sun. They give it to inmates Yeah, and just cuz I'm learning social studies. I don't get it I don't get it exactly and then I'd be in the basement doing just acting all day I'm learning fucking full tear. I don't get 40. Yeah, I don't get 40 minutes in the Sun. I'm raising got in the Sun Oh, hey, I don't hey, that's a good place right there man, Denzel Washington. I will accept that I will accept that thank you. I heard your big um

Starting point is 00:20:22 Play guy really? No, I was like God, I don't want that going around. Hey, man, that would, listen, that's the subversive. No one would, no one would expect it. That's very low-key, dude. Is there theater in Nashville? Yeah, there's gotta be. There is a theater program. That's a good question. I grew up in Louisiana. We didn't, we had some theater. We just did like. Did you ever do theater growing up? Yeah, I did. I did. Well, it was just called Drama Club or whatever and it was a lot of people who was it was a lot of people I think that were wanted to be actors and a lot of people that just were kind of like outsiders the outsiders I went to the high school the opposite the drama kids were the the cool kid yeah, and the basketball kids were like There's like four of them. Oh, that's got to be interesting a lot of people get that opportunity

Starting point is 00:21:03 No, it's skewed my perception the real world because then I got to Columbia and I was like, oh shit The value system is totally different, you know But actually in a serious way kind of motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder But did you ever think about acting or like what's the exchange rate on this hamlet scene? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly Yeah, I did just some stuff at school But I would always mess it up like we did like Sherlock Holmes or something And I was like Watson or whatever his buddy or whatever It's like his Sherlock his man crush whatever and our guy was very like progressive

Starting point is 00:21:32 So we try to make it there to be like this small like lovers scene or or just like some Ambience between Sherlock and Watson you didn't go for it. I don't know if I went forward or not I was like 13 go out there man. You gotta be bold. Yeah, well you would have earned the respect of all your classmates Or actually, I don't know if I went forward or not. I was like 13. You gotta be bold, dude. You gotta go out there, man. You gotta be bold. You gotta be bold. You would've earned the respect of all your classmates. Or actually, I don't know where you're from. I was gonna go the other way. But yeah, there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues

Starting point is 00:21:55 and they end up kind of finding each other. That's what the guy said. And I was like, this seems like insane. But you didn't do it. I tried my best. But then I remember the first time I got out there on stage, I took on this Latino accent for some reason. That's strong choice man. It's all nobody knew what's coming perfect I was like what's up homes? You know yeah, yeah, yeah, and then um so yeah

Starting point is 00:22:13 That was just and that's when I realized it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things I just wanted to be by myself. You know like that kind of thing you found this Forma right yes, would you do would you do a movie? If it came came your way? If I've got to make it myself I think. Okay, alright, you don't want to be slotted into something. I don't think so. I just am super protective about myself for some reason. Which may seem kind of weird.

Starting point is 00:22:35 For some reason you had me on. That was a bad choice. No, a good choice dude. So in New York when you were a kid like who's your best friend? Best friend growing up Nobody man, I was always pursuing acting dude. I was born I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a little embryo fluid It was just like that. Yeah, no man, you know, probably Brett Goldstein You know a guy kid in your building or something? No, he was a kid on the Upper West Side and my older sister was friends with

Starting point is 00:23:04 his older sister Brenna and Just I think they still live there Greg and best those are his parents and Brett You know that was my whole friend group then they all my whole friend group went to this school called computer school And then I went to school called Booker T. Washington, so I lost my I lost my friend group there hmm, but um And you have a roommate now. No you don't thank God man. That's like more than that Sorry, no, I mean, but fucking that's more than anything. That's what jeslinick says on Netflix He says you really made it when you don't have a roommate anymore. Oh, yeah, that's your work in life Yeah, yeah

Starting point is 00:23:36 Well, yeah I think and well especially in New York because it's so expensive in other places Some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever. Do you give a roommate? I don't have a roommate, you know, I would like to get one or I'd like to get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever. Do you have a roommate? I don't have a roommate, you know. I would like to get one or I'd like to get a wife maybe this year. Where, where?

Starting point is 00:23:49 Next year. How do you go? 2020Wive, that's what I'm calling it. 2020Wive, how do you go about that? I think getting out there and meeting people. Do you have friends that you trust, that you would trust like to set you up? Some, but sometimes you're shocked

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Starting point is 00:24:26 Like, you're never nervous that people are gonna watch that you're talking about? Yeah, but I just make sure that I just try and don't say anything that would be really mean about somebody. So right there, it could've got weird. Right, and you send, you'll send scary people after people, you know?

Starting point is 00:24:39 Oh, well, I mean, well, things get done. You'll send guys in suits outside people's houses, make sure they don't... There's a podcast sphere out there that things, you know, get handled or whatever. I don't want to use that term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's terrifying. It's not a... There's no lawyer involved. Right, you're just winging it.

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Starting point is 00:30:09 you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah man, yes and no, you know, because I've become such a fan of his that, it's not like I feel like I'm a blemish on the legacy, but I- No, not at all, that's not what I mean.

Starting point is 00:30:23 People are gonna think, some people are gonna think you are But they're gonna think that when they think of him in the future your face will come into that even if I have like You know a healthy amount of self-respect. It's never gonna come close to who he is So I like the idea that I could be a bridge But like I had a buddy that said um the Johnny Cash movie Joaquin Phoenix who is the same director walked the line He said you know I actually like Joaquin's Versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director of Walk the Line, he said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's songs. I never wanted that.

Starting point is 00:30:50 Sincerely, I don't want that to happen here. Because, and I wanted to protect against it, because Bob's got this raw voice. He's got this like iron voice. And I don't want, I never wanted these songs to be sort of like more gentle than his songs, you know? And had to fight against that, because the recordings we made made a lot of them were

Starting point is 00:31:06 Super it's hard man. He was playing on a beat-up guitar with shitty recorders he had a bronchitis in his early 20s his voice is all fucked up and And I didn't want it to be like watered down, you know Because you very purposefully was he like Jack Kerouac and Moriarty he you know A lot of the books I read so you have great hygiene, you know stuff like this I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden. Right, you wanted to honor him as much as you could. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:31:29 But also without being him as much. Yeah, not do this Hollywood version, basically. Right. Because his biopic's a fine line, man. And I've never done anything like this. I usually play a role, actually sort of. Yeah, Wonka you did, kind of. Yeah, Wonka I did, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:42 But that's maybe not real. No, but it's, yeah, thank God yeah Well, don't tell the children. Thank God You know probably have to get psychiatric help but um, but no, but and there's a certain pressure with that wonka, too People are like very protective of characters. They love you know They don't want and there's sort of like a cynicism about Hollywood. You know about like why are they keep revisiting? The wonka thing I thought was justified because it's a new story. We weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory we were doing sort of an origin and By the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka. Have you?

Starting point is 00:32:09 Yeah, which one have I seen? Yeah, I've seen all of them. You watched it while you were in the car spying on the on the on the Lyft's car in college. I uh You had it playing on the audio But uh If you first of all if you've never seen the Wonka movie, but you just listen to the audio that's a little bit That's already weird too. It's kind of a yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. They had Stevie Wonder at the movie last night If you first of all if you've never seen the welcome you just listen to the audio that's a little bit That's already weird. That's kind of a yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. It's Stevie Wonder at the movie last night. Oh really? Yeah

Starting point is 00:32:30 Interesting bridge right there. No, but I was saying man. I was like just yeah. Yeah, yes I'm not disrespect, but I was just know the Godfather of surround sound basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's what I heard the premier was a pretty interesting. So last night was your premiere. It was premiering l.a. Man It was great, you know, oh, dude. Thanks for coming the day after your premiere. Yes Apologize man. Are you guys up late? We were up late and I basically I shot this movie Marty supreme all the fall these crazy directors You know our crazy director Josh saft. You ever see uncut gems. Oh, yeah, so good that director So it's kind of that energy that chaotic thing thing so it wasn't like a low energy shoot This was like 16 hour days for three months, then I went right into this

Starting point is 00:33:08 So I haven't been like drinking at all never not that I ever really had a problem with it But just you know because he's Dave and actually find my mind is so much sharper I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick through this whole like last couple months, but last night to have a couple drinks I'm kind of fried today man. Yeah, I'm sorry my voice is a little no you got a salary Did you have to get up and make a speech? What's it like at something like that? I? Man great question. It's like oh here. We are oh man. I don't do I don't do the I call it instant nostalgia You know I was seeing these pictures like yeah, I mean kind of bizarre isn't it yes kind of bizarre man This is good because this is I'll say this it's a great cast and a great a great

Starting point is 00:33:49 Director so we all have fun Edward Norton man Edward Norton should come on this podcast man. He's a legend absolute legend Oh, yeah, he's a super legend. He was in the He was here see rounders. Yeah, you play do you play Texas Holden? Yeah, I play it sometimes He's good, and that both of the actresses were great. The lady's in it. Oh, and his wife was in it. What's her name? Erico.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Erico. Erico. Yeah. Yeah, they got a beautiful group of ladies in there. And men, too. Yeah, like a Boyd Holbrook, man, with the blue suit on. That's a handsome man. Is he real handsome?

Starting point is 00:34:23 Yeah, he's a stud. Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude. Like a lot of dudes. You are, man. Is he real handsome? Yeah, he's a stud. Well dude, you're kind of a handsome dude. Like a lot of dudes. You are man, look at that. People, I've seen so many people ape. Calm down brother. I've seen so many people ape your haircut. Really?

Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of freaking thieves out there. How long have you had it? This haircut I've had for probably, it's a little dicey today. I've had it for probably, well I had it as a child. Oh no way, so this goes back. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:44 And then I tried to like blend in, like whenever I moved to Hollywood and stuff and it didn't work for me, and so then I tried to blend out. Oh, so you started in LA before Nashville. Yeah. Yeah, I lived out here for 12 years. I was doing stand-up comedy here.

Starting point is 00:34:54 This is where I started doing stand-up comedy. Oh yeah, where, at the Comedy Store and stuff like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comedy Store. It was awesome, man. I really enjoyed it over there. And a whole like sort of generation of comedians came out of there then, huh?

Starting point is 00:35:03 Yeah, and that was like um Yeah, all types they had like Chris D'Alia Tom Segura. Is that a bigger Bigger comedy base here than New York you think? That's a good question. You know what's so funny They're totally different from each other and some people in one don't even know the people in the other because the audience is different You think just just it's just a total different group of people like you go there And it's almost like it feels like if you start all over it Just, it's just a total different group of people. Like you go there and it's almost like it feels like you have to start all over.

Starting point is 00:35:26 It's just a total different. Like I'll go into a club there and it feels like A whole different thing. I'm walking into a club for the first time. In New York you don't think you get the love you get out here? I think you'll get a lot of respect. But you just feel that way.

Starting point is 00:35:37 It's not your territory, you know? Right, right, right, right, right. And you want to give respect to the guys if that's their grounds that they walk on every day. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because that's where grounds that they walk on every day interesting interesting interesting That's where they live like if somebody came out and was like being real flashy, but they're not in your Thing in in your kind of club here. It would be the same way I think interesting So there's a lot of code of conduct like you ever do Saturday Night Live I

Starting point is 00:35:58 Don't know man. You know it's so funny. I went and saw it recently. It's crazy right. It's a crazy setup It is crazy you did it. Yeah, I've done it twice. Yeah, okay super dial saw it recently. It's crazy, right? It's a crazy setup. It is crazy. You did it? Yeah, I've done it twice. It's super dialed in, right? I shoulda known that. Oh yeah, dude. I went with Chris Farley's brother. It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL

Starting point is 00:36:14 since his brother was on there, since he'd went with him. So it was pretty neat. What was that like for him? Dude, he told so many great stories. I wish they'd have put him out on stage. I was like, have him go out there, tell his stories. It was just classic man, but I went to watch Bill Burr I'm a big Bill Burr fan So I went to watch him to see the last Sandler special on Netflix McGee performed that night. Oh, thank you. That was dope

Starting point is 00:36:34 Wow, yeah, and then um There we are right there with Chris Farley's brother Dude you look like you're 23 man, it's true. you look like you're 23, man. It's true. Did you take your hair cut or no? I look like I'm on HGH, dude. I gotta get some HGH. Do you work out? Yeah, I do work out, dude. Yeah, I do, God.

Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah, I went today, I mean. That's what I mean. Um, but yeah. Yeah, we once. Works out once. What else do y'all want to know about this film? So you didn't hear anything from Bob. What about like his wife or his kid or something? No, his kids, you know, almost towards the start, the Monica who plays Joan Baez in the movie, she was in touch with Joan the whole time. And I thought about reaching out to his kids, but the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he becomes this legend.

Starting point is 00:37:24 You know, people can sanitize the past. When somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he becomes this legend, you know People can sanitize the past You know, what do you mean by that when you say that just so we know? They could present the best version of someone, you know And not present their flaws, you know, even a lot of the documentaries about Bob. They just paint him as a genius There's one documentary called don't look back. This is T.A. Penny Baker one We actually see him raw It just captures his behavior and it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know, on letting himself be filmed. And so that was like the biggest help for me.

Starting point is 00:37:49 And I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids, but actually I was at the University of Minnesota, like three days ago we were doing a sort of screening for the students there. And then someone said, this is Milo Dillon. This is his grand nephew. And he looked like, kind of looked like Bob. And he said, could we get a picture? And then he put his finger out and he said like kind of looked like Bob and he's he said we get a picture and then he put his finger On he said you phase and then I said well like the base clan like the video game. He said no never mind hmm So the new deal so even all the Dillon's are Unique yeah, I don't know what that means you phase phase with the finger like that. I don't know I

Starting point is 00:38:24 Mean I know phase banks. I don't know. I mean I know faze banks I don't know a lot of the faze guys. I know the one of them gave CPR to sketch one night or something He wasn't doing good. Whoa But anyway shouldn't have said that out loud. Who's sketch? I don't know who's sketch. What's up, brother that guy? Did you see him? No. Oh my gosh. Wow. It's crazy how different worlds are so different, dude Oh my gosh, wow, it's crazy how different worlds are so different, dude. Sketch him. No. Oh my god.

Starting point is 00:38:50 No. Oh, oh yes, I have, I have. I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been on this. Oh yeah, he's been on this.

Starting point is 00:38:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great. He is so creative. He has one of the most creative minds I've been around. Just like to his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff. It's pretty fascinating. Is he stand up? Nope, he's not a stand up. I think there's this new thing that goes on now where if somebody's... It's interesting what's going to happen with stand up.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Because stand up has been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do. But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media. Yeah, they pop off like that. Right, so then how do you take that and perform it is there a? Performance a whole different thing yeah, yeah some people on their podcasts are granted and the stand-up is different right yeah It's different or just like stand-ups in a golden era. I feel like it's like boxing I feel like now I feel like Netflix kind of made it You know sexy again in some way. Yeah, I think well the news got like very

Starting point is 00:39:42 All the same I feel like right got got very, a lot of people believe maybe commandeered by advertising in a way. Some of that happens, it's capitalism. So I think podcasting was just this like. Became this open format. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it was like, okay.

Starting point is 00:40:00 Also you know that you're really resonating in some way. Yeah. Right, cause it's not dollars, or it's not like. Well especially in the beginning, for the first like four or five years you're not really making any money. So it's like you're just doing your best, you're just keeping it. And then at a certain point like people will say, well if you're not gonna let me say what I want then get your advertising off of my network.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Interesting. Yeah, that's a risk man. Yeah, kind of. It's a risk dollars-wise, right? Oh, it's a risk dollars-wise. Yeah. I mean Dana White was on here one time and one of our episodes got pulled down because of um we had a Bobby Kennedy on this a political friend a buddy of mine but um who also ended up going into politics, but they didn't want to be associated with it or whatever and Anyway, Dana was on and he said what what who called and said they and we were like it was this Kellogg's it was biking company or something. it was like a proton or whatever it's called Peloton interesting and dude next thing you know people all across the country were throwing peloton into the Boston River

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Starting point is 00:41:29 sure that we get a lot about this film and what I thought that was yeah what did you like about you know have to you don't have to you don't have to like the movie but were you did you anything about Bob Dylan before no nope I have well yeah I know some of his music you know I know your parents are your mom listen to it oh yeah my mom listen to it my bet this kid I grew up with he would play it in his room every night He had the harmonic and everything was a big Bob Dylan thing. Yeah, like my um, my friend Ty who I used to live with Who uh, yeah, I mean Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper. I mean, yeah Man, absolutely. Yeah whining with a back. Absolutely. Everybody's like

Starting point is 00:42:03 You know thinking that it was some of these other guys like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black who's just a mumbler. I mean at a certain point can we just say that? He's great. Yeah, he was a mumbler. I mean at some point he enunciated better. Yeah. But definitely early on. Yeah, it's kind of a little rocky. I feel like it's gotten rocky recently. Which is cool man. He might be going through some stuff too, who knows? Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, what people are know what people are definitely keeps it behind a he does green We don't know what's going on. Yeah, I probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life That'd be great if we had a word like it's a word counter for you and Kodak yeah

Starting point is 00:42:36 You're like this miles ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally dude. You can sneeze and be like seven words ahead of him. I feel like You said it you said it um What about some other well? I just want to think anything else about the film that was was it hard to learn the music did you would did you have Any issues with that or how did you guys not really mean I had five years to work on it So I took guitar lessons with a great we get five years to work on this way because you audition for it Yeah over a long period of time well 2018 we're supposed to do it summer of 2020 then the pandemic hit Over a long period of time. Well, 2018 we were supposed to do it summer of 2020,

Starting point is 00:43:03 then the pandemic hit, then I just kept working on it, kept working on it, I was supposed to do it summer of 2023, then the strike hit, which is when I was still getting in trouble for doing my, you know, getting rid of my lisp, I'm just kidding. Oh, when you were meeting with that guy in the dark alleys to freaking, yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:22 To work on the accent. Yeah, to work on your, keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels. Down with the palates! Hey man, you know. Do you work, you know... Years ago I went to a voice coach. You don't actually talk like this. Your voice is actually super high. When I walked in here today, Theo's voice was super high.

Starting point is 00:43:42 Walk in! I'm a Disney character, guys, dude. And he kept doing this weird thing, Theo's voice was super high. Walking! I'm a Disney character, I see. And he kept doing this weird thing, we'd rock back and forth. Oh boy. So he welcomed me and he insisted that I jump on his back and get brought in here. And he put me on the couch and then he assumed the character we all know that is Theo Vaughn. I actually wanted him to jump on my front my front dude when people do frontside piggybacks That's kind of I never heard of that in my life, and that's when I hey

Starting point is 00:44:09 That's when I quit playing tennis in junior high school I'll tell you but listen you gotta be strong enough to do that. That's good point probably I could probably do it to you You can I'm getting you out your comfort zone man. You could not do a frontside piggyback We finish this you know Jumping on the front and anybody that can draw a picture of Timothy and me and involved in frontside piggybacking. Let me know I'll buy it from you and we'll donate a thousand dollars to a charity of your choice, and you know Can I F you you yes, I'm gonna get a little John Cena thing Just for promo just for promo

Starting point is 00:44:45 Click I'll do it on this Like a little John Cena thing? Oh, no. Just for promo, just for promo. It's clicks. It's clicks. I'll do it on this. OK. All right. Look at this. And you land on that. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:44:51 You just lay somebody on this. I'll just lay. No, I'm going to be like that, and I'll suplex you on that. Right through there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we should get that. Yeah. It's that time of year, man.

Starting point is 00:44:59 It's the holidays. Come on, it's the holidays. This is the holidays in America in 2024. It was all bearing in. Yeah. Are you you big holidays guy? You know what I think I it does remind me a little bit to slow down kind of You know which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times. Do you think you're more Elfish or Santa? Oh? It's a good question. I wish I could be a little more Santa

Starting point is 00:45:21 Do you think I'm more of a sometimes a little more miss Claus. Like I'll start bitching about a lot of shit. About nothing. Yeah. About nothing. I'll just get a latch hit. But I just got to slow down. It's just been like a long year. A lot. Yeah, you've been busy. Yeah. What are you going to do for, are you going to go away or anything? Yeah, I'm going to go to Louisiana and see some family and then I might try to take a vacation for a few days. We'll see. Little Baton Rouge? Yeah, my family lives right down there. So what about you? I'm gonna be here because I've been all over the place. I'm going to New York tonight. Then I go to London. And then do all this promo for the movie.

Starting point is 00:45:48 Oh you still have to promo for this movie? How long does promo take? Well it's coming out on Christmas so I'm going every day. You know? But I love the movie. That's why, you know, that's why Shit man, I'm trying to go as hard as possible. And uh, and You know. And then fucking come back here.

Starting point is 00:46:04 And be with my family. Be with my new little niece. Oh you got a new niece? First one? First one. Let's go dude. That's a crazy moment What's her name? Can you bring a picture of her? We can't show a picture of her. I don't even think I think my sister's kept her offline you know my sister lives in a sort of like a She's with a group of people in like a forest type thing in France. No way you're near ANSI? Yeah near NLC Yep, and yeah, yeah, yeah in a forest no no internet. I'm sorry bro Forest type thing in France. No way you know where it near ANSI. Yeah near Nansi. Yep. Yeah Yeah, and in a forest no no internet. I'm sorry Let's check in on your sister, you know, let's email her a meal

Starting point is 00:46:36 Let's give her a French French Groupon French Groupon. No, but she's uh, yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no groupons in France, man. No group bonds in France. No group bonds in a high property tax. They have high property tax over there? Absolutely, man. Because it's beautiful property. Beautiful property, and they don't want people just coming in, you know, not...

Starting point is 00:46:53 Just milling around for 40 bucks a month property tax? I'm in that age now where I'll chaggbt, like, what are the most attractive, low property tax places in America or around the world? Oh yeah, one of them was my neighbor growing up, dude I remember our property tax was eight dollars one year My mom paid in cash to write out of her purse. I was like where do we live at? But who she give it to?

Starting point is 00:47:16 Was it a legit guy you think he looked pretty legit yet. It's all of his buttons on his shit He had a hoodie that said government buttons on his head. He had a hoodie that said government. He had a couple of them. She just gave him 8 bucks. Oh man. Same thing man. I grew up in like a Mitchell Llama. You know about Mitchell Llama? Oh yeah the restaurant stars or whatever. No no no no no. Mitchell Llama is like there's like two, to my understand, there's two versions of like good arts housing. You got section 8. That means you're paying like under 800 bucks. Mitchell Llama, yep. Oh, that damn Mitchell-Lama, brother. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:47:46 Oh. That's me, baby, moderate. Mitchell-Lama program provides affordable rental and cooperative housing to moderate and middle income families. You're just talking about Alphabet City, basically. Dude, wow. So how do you know New York, man?

Starting point is 00:47:58 I like New York. I mean, yeah, it's definitely fascinating. You ever live there? No, I've just stayed there for like maybe three months at the most. I would live there. If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll ever live there? No, I just stayed there for maybe three months at the most. I would live there. If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll go live there. What's the ideal, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:11 what does she look like both inside and out? Well, she looks like, probably looks like a nice lady, I think. Let me think about the rest of it. Probably maybe played volleyball, maybe didn't. Maybe likes to be a mom maybe. I don't know, dude. She's looking for to-

Starting point is 00:48:33 Likes to laugh, has a good sense of humor. Okay. Because people that laugh get jokes usually. You can't, you know, unless you're just, something's wrong with you and there's something, you just laugh every now and then. Right, right. So, but yeah. Could she do somersaults? Ooh, I hope she can, Unless you're just something's wrong with you and you're something you just laugh every now and then right right like yeah

Starting point is 00:48:45 Could you do somersaults? Oh? I hope she can but I'm not trying to be some kind of pervert or whatever you know But I wouldn't mind seeing one every now and then especially if it's holidays or whatever She wants to you know pop off a damn be handspring or something for everybody Cuts into some lackeys or whatever I'm down for it So yeah, I think I'm open to a lot of different things I think, you know? Yeah, and like handstands and shit?

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Starting point is 00:53:42 Oh, I'm gonna get you know, I'm gonna have a wife and be with the wife. Yeah, you got to be open to it, brother Yeah, you got to set the you got to set your life up Yeah, and how are you gonna get divorced if you don't get married? You know what I'm saying? Absolutely, and those are two crucial chapters of life Is your home, you know, wifeable? Not curr- oh? Is there like shit everywhere when you walk in? No, my home's organized. I got my tree up right now

Starting point is 00:54:06 Nice, you got a tree Mhm I got a box of gifts There's a lady that I don't even know who has sent me a box of Christmas ornaments for the past four years Sweet It comes every year, I put them up on the tree And it's got a little mic and a camera in there There's the-

Starting point is 00:54:17 I didn't think about that Yeah She's just- Bro, that's such a good idea She's just watching you watch Every Christmas it's called. It's a murder movie It's a murder yeah, or just some movie about it's about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree

Starting point is 00:54:34 They don't know yeah, there's a camera and have a camera in it. Yeah, right it baby. I'm not gonna be that's it What do you watch on Christmas? Mm? I watch what would the camera see you doing? Well, I'm we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple fellows from the gym actually and so we're supposed to practice on Friday And we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville to help us learn some of the lyrics And then oh, yeah, we're excited about it. There's all brothers going so you got to respect the culture man You know what I'm saying? Oh man. Or, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:07 And then what are we gonna go, I watched Family Man, have you ever seen that one? Nah, never seen Family Man. With Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage. It's a great movie. One of the greats. Have you ever met him?

Starting point is 00:55:18 No man, but Matchstick Men's one of my favorite movies ever. Yeah. You know, you know. Nicolas Cage, man. What a life. But yeah, I'd like to get a wife maybe. What about, there's kind of a love triangle in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a-

Starting point is 00:55:32 So the women's Joan Baez. Joan Baez and Sylvie Russo. Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist? I couldn't tell. Yeah, she's, her real name, Suze Ritola in real life, but the real Bob Dylan was still very protective over her. She was never really famous. So that was one of his big script notes

Starting point is 00:55:45 he said change that name and You know just I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way. So he had some notes about the script yeah, exactly, the love triangle is is sort of One of the big you know, like we do these Q&A's for the movie now, and people will say, was Bob, was his behavior towards the people that he was in a relationship with in his life, it's definitely complicated. But my answer is always, he was focused on his art, first and foremost.

Starting point is 00:56:13 Also, this movie's about people in their early 20s. You don't really have life figured out, especially in relationship then. Yeah. Stuff is a mess at that age. So it was kind of between these two women in the movie, and Joan Baez is a Musician and artist ambitious the way Bob would have been and Sylvie's really the more grounded character I think what L. Fanning does in the movies incredible you kind of see the movie through her eyes because she's not

Starting point is 00:56:33 She's not one of these famous musicians. She's really just a real person and Is you know deeply affected? Yes, she was very effective by Dylan and her character was yeah That was interesting to see yeah, and the things that was she was she's the only person the movie that doesn't a transactional relationship with him really loves him for who he is and You know that was our theory you know I never talked about Dylan but I feel like that's why I think he's still fond of that relationship and private about it because If maybe the rest of his life could be confusing I don't want to speak for him but confusing about like who's being genuine with me and who's not she was always the clear

Starting point is 00:57:07 Day one clear candidate. Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I found like When I was watching it Yeah, you're kind of rooting. It's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie Yeah, you know, no one's like a great Besides elf any everyone comes off a little real. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully Yeah, you know flawed like in a human way flawed in a human way and a little especially in your early 20s man You're trying to figure out your life. Yeah, they don't even yeah. Were you a saint in your early 20s, dude? No, I was I mean I was a Saints fan of a new one

Starting point is 00:57:44 But I was not I was, I was a Saints fan. I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, but I was not, I was not. You're at the game, like, bucket. I mean, I had on maybe a, you know, I might've had on a Drew Brees jersey. Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Lite. Dude, yeah, that's for sure. That was, but no, yeah, it's like, yeah, how do you even get, start to get things figured out?

Starting point is 00:58:03 But that's one thing that I liked about it. I like seeing the different and I like that there was like, okay What's this relationship like over here gonna happen? What's this relationship like over here gonna happen? and then just seeing like I did get a better idea of like, okay Bob Dylan was just kind of like affected dude that he kind of was maybe better than he thought he was or Or he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him. It was just all so confusing. And I think it was confusing to him and it was like,

Starting point is 00:58:32 it was just a lot going on. And he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy. And so for all those things to happen so quick to him and then for him to him to try to figure it out And navigate what was real. I don't know man exactly and that's something I could relate to not in the relationships necessarily my life, but you know, you feel like your career gets going on how you feel about that and you want to protect your energy and

Starting point is 00:58:56 and But you still want to have close, you know friendships and relationships and yeah, but at first it's very it's a hard thing to navigate Particularly if you want to keep writing particularly if you wanna keep writing, you keep wanting, like Bob Dylan, and like you said, he was genuinely great at it. He had a gift from God at that point in his career. He said it in an Ed Bradley interview in 2004. He's like, I feel like God was writing through me.

Starting point is 00:59:15 And he says in the interview, I can't do it anymore. He almost says it like, like, Mel- Like he misses it? Like he misses it. Yeah, it's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview. He just, he says, I can't do it anymore. I don't know how those words were coming to me.

Starting point is 00:59:27 And, yeah. And I feel like musicians even more than actors. I feel like an actor, like, into your 30s and 40s and 50s, as your face ages, you can keep doing great work. Right, because the gravitas of your life lives on your face. You know what I mean? Right, and so the more you learn in life, the more abilities you're gonna have.

Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah, and the more trauma you go through, whatever. And I feel like as a musician, you can still do great shit, but it's really like a young man's game. Yeah, because you have to do all that touring and stuff as well. Yeah, it beats you up. For you, the movie kind of tours for you. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:59:56 You know, I love, you know, it's funny. We do these Q&As. So I get the backstage experience, I'm like, holy shit, I'm coming out, man. Like, fuck, they're going to say my name out loud. I'm all excited. And I come out. And then as opposed to a rock star fucking sit in a chair

Starting point is 01:00:07 Oh, yeah, and I answer my watch this and I sit down and I try to give poised answers Let's make sure your posture is okay Dude, it's humiliating. I'll just you're rocking in the house tonight. That shit is so hard to deal with It's I'll be backstage and it's a you hear the crowd like Timothy. Yeah, and then I fucking take my seat Yeah, and then I'm poised And I sit down dude, it's humiliating it's like it's very anti I don't know what the word is, but somebody else probably knows it but yeah, I don't know it but Yeah, dude, you know what though? I think it was I do think that it was interesting if you frame it up

Starting point is 01:00:44 Like this is what it is. It think that it was interesting if you frame it up like this is what It is it's a it's a mo It's a few years in a man's life that was a very interesting man Who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote yeah exactly I was listening I was like no way he wrote that and like Just some relationships that he had with other artists that you may not even know about And sort of the first guy for me in American pop culture that said I'm gonna do it over the fuck I want and that was a point. Yeah, and that was like sort of blasphemous like every artist through the last

Starting point is 01:01:10 30 40 50 years that a lot of whom you can't shout out cuz they basically they basically burned so many bridges But Bob Dylan was the first he just wouldn't take no for an answer He just was fired up about his art and I was perception No, I don't think it sounds like anything. Yeah, but it's not corny because he really didn't give a fuck and it's uh that to me was really refreshing to work on You know now we live in a time where it's not only not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art But it's as much about the Coliseum's reaction You know you think about a clip you like online or or something you like or don't like the first thing you do is you go To the comments. It's as much about how people are reacting

Starting point is 01:01:43 You know I'm saying as it is about the the actual thing right so in some ways It's harder. It's kind of harder now because not only you have to manage what you present, but you have to manage also how would No, no, but yeah, I was just saying also to avoid that that's kind of what I'm doing these days, man I'm just you just kind of like you have to bury your head so far even like the pictures from the premiere I'm just like You know I just try to put the shutters on because it's not healthy man You know looking at all your stuff and looking at you know it's weird. It's fucking weird, and then you know I'm supposed to do it No, we're supposed to be you know like gathering nuts and berries

Starting point is 01:02:18 That's not like I'm able to know they had that first guy narcissus or whatever looked in the river and saw himself Yeah, and then he's like hey where the ladies at or whatever you're like whoa dude What are you talking about? You're not even that good-looking. Yeah, killer rabbit, dude Yeah, we are tried needs to eat make a salad bro. Yeah, we got yeah Yeah, we got people to feed have 17 people and our elder is fucking suffering like you'd over here like trying to start Clairol or whatever exactly fucking working on your you know Yeah, it's like just a bunch of Dior moisturizer talking about lip filler to everybody like we don't even talk dude It's 300 BC. What does that even mean stop working on your Raya profile?

Starting point is 01:02:57 Fucking help us with the fire. We need to put out in the forest you Narcissistic prick yeah, what are you talking? Yeah? I have no fucking clue no clue What about other um Because you can only do so many biopics to yeah, yeah, that's kind of weird So you kind of you burned a biopic I burned about is it biopic we don't know I don't know I burned a biopic and I got to go back in three months, and they got to check if it's still there and No, you're right. I can only do so many especially like music ones. I'll be honest What are some other ones you think I have a couple listen man? Oh ideas no you go for okay

Starting point is 01:03:31 Like that I could do or you could do I don't know if I keep talking people Why do you sit with him you just talk the whole time so? No, I mean well, I'm trying to think of ones you could do um you could do Well, I'm trying to think of ones you could do You could do No, I could do maybe You could do a Brad Pitt biopic, you know, I'm saying hello there right there Come on, put a little sprinkle on it. Put a little sprinkle on it. No, maybe if like Maybe a Brad pick like was stranded somewhere like, you know, maybe like a hitchhiker

Starting point is 01:03:59 Something no, but you could um, you could do would you ever do Mabu you think Lamar boo my god, dude That is fucking funny. That's an alternate time. I'm him in an alternate time Yeah, cuz you know I used to I used to you know there's two ways you could have gone That's what we like to say a lot of time. Yeah, that's me in an alternate time. I love him, bro I don't know enough about him. I know he's from New York though. You're right. You know, it's a great point I don't fucking know if I like him. It could be a dirtball, but I like I like some of his energy It's all this shit is pretty it's very Bob Dylan man. Just be who you want to be that's a point Okay, that's how I do feel about him

Starting point is 01:04:29 Yeah, like oh, I feel like I feel like he's kind of unique here he kind of reminds me of like an M&M like when M&M kind of like He reminds me like how you need M&M was just unique in his time period just did out Maybe I'll do a little Mabu biopic. I don't know what it's about. I wonder what the tragedy of his life is That's a good point. It could be a some crypto failure. Yeah, he launched Mabu coin Oh, you're gonna be so pissed at us, dude. Man. Bro, sorry. No, dude. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know him I mean, he's clearly killing it. Yeah, if he wasn't killing it, we weren't talking we wouldn't be talking about him It's a good point. Yeah. Oh, I think he's just he's definitely super entertaining. Yeah, and we're just joking around and he started that

Starting point is 01:05:02 conference Conservation fund for the for that We're just joking around. And he started that conservation fund Did he really? For that, I'm sorry. You're acting good, bro. Dude, you should be a politician, dude. You're good. I was acting.

Starting point is 01:05:14 But what, or that, or maybe Abraham Lincoln's son or whatever? I could be Abraham Lincoln, me or you? You. What about if you- Abraham Lincoln's son? Who was Abraham Lincoln's son? Dave Lincoln. That's a ridiculous idea. It was Dave Lincoln was it Dave Lincoln

Starting point is 01:05:30 Ricky Lincoln bring it who is his son? Tad Lincoln, oh my god. Yeah. Oh, yeah, go to his information. Let's see him. Wow, that's dude you could be Tad Lincoln the fourth son of Abraham Lincoln, what was his uh Born with a cleft lip and palate. I'll work with Tim Monique. We were talking about earlier I'll work with Tim Monique on it, you know and hopefully there's no strike imagine his father gave some of the greatest speeches and here he is and he has this kind of like a little bit of a Like a disfigurement or some impoverished right? He's like, how do I overcome this?

Starting point is 01:06:02 Yeah, you just say something as important that my father said. Did he ever? Did he ever? We could change it. We could just give him the speech. They were considered notorious hellions, him and his brother Willie. He was sick a lot.

Starting point is 01:06:12 He got typhoid. A lot of people were getting sick back then. Yeah, oh, easily. You caught a frisbee that was dirty, and you were down for two months. He went to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp. Oh, wow. On April 14, 1865, Ted went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp. Oh wow, on April 14th, 1865, Ted went to Grover's Theater

Starting point is 01:06:27 to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play Our American Cousin at Ford Theater. That night his father was assassinated. Wow, so he was at... That could be my big scene. Yeah, and you finally run up to him as he's done, and you say something super important.

Starting point is 01:06:42 Who's playing Abraham Lincoln? Who's playing Lincoln? I don't know, we gotta get somebody good. Pa's dead, I can hardly believe that I should never see him again. This is some heavy shit. After the assassination, Mary, Robert, and Tad lived together in Chicago. Oh, he died at 18, dude. I can't, come on. Holy shit, tuberculosis. This was a waste of a pitch. P to ammonia right here and congestive heart failure You could do it man. Yeah, you could do it. Yeah, don't age me down or Jim Carrey I think I could see you playing a Jim Carrey one day to us thinking about that. He's brilliant, dude I mean, yeah, yeah

Starting point is 01:07:15 Yeah, have you seen his um, have you seen his uh, he went to some fashion event like 2018-2019 You see this red carpet interview. It's the biggest not give a fuck interview Is it all time? Yeah, if we have enough time we should add 20 minutes to this anyway if we can't this is this is the greatest He looks so dropped into being himself. Yeah. Yes. I've covered a lot of fashion weeks This is the first time I've run in to Jim Carrey Controlling the room No, no, no, I'm doing just fine I just you know, there's no meaning to any of this.

Starting point is 01:07:47 So I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join. And here I am. I mean, you've got to admit it's completely meaningless. Well, they say they're celebrating icons inside. Celebrating icons. Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming, you know, possibility celebrating icons inside. Do you believe in icons? Boy that is just the absolute lowest aiming you know possibility that we could come up with. It's like icons. What do you

Starting point is 01:08:11 do you believe in icons? I don't believe in personalities. I don't believe that you exist but there is a wonderful fragrance in the air. You don't believe certain icons? Even when she doesn't exist he's still trying to flirt. That's the biggest part. You don't admire others? Artists? Stre, you're one of them. On the good foot, ha! He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash. What the hell now?

Starting point is 01:08:34 Yeah, no, I don't believe in icons. That's good, man. I don't believe in personality. That would be an interesting guy to play, because that's really cool. That's a cool scene to play, if you could do that. Yeah, and I think he's had a crazy life. Yeah, what his life was like? Yeah. I mean he was the biggest Biggest bigger than anything bigger than anything right in the 2000s. Oh

Starting point is 01:08:52 Yeah, and he had a show called in living color before that that was like Jamie Foxx was on it Yeah, he was the only white guy on it. Yeah, right. It was him. Yeah, and they had a Nice become an artist. Yeah, now he's an artist But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know? Cause some artists- I think that's kind of what he, I think that's what he feels like.

Starting point is 01:09:09 I saw an interview with him today, sound like the hedgehog. They said, why'd you do this? He said, for the money. But what a life. Cause when Bruce Almighty was coming on, I mean, really he was like the biggest. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:19 Wow. What about, do you feel like you have to be like, because you're kind of like the, the, the good the the It guy like the it younger guy in Hollywood for sure for sure you know But does that feel like I Don't know and I know it's like do you how do you and a lot of that is a lot of times? Curtailed by like the industry like you're yeah, but Like you have a, I thought you'd come with like

Starting point is 01:09:45 in a tank or something. Like you drove over here by yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So definitely kind of, I guess, maybe against what I was thinking, which doesn't mean anything. But do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered

Starting point is 01:10:01 by so many bigger pressures? Listen man, not to bring you back to the movie, but that's where Bob Dylan's so influential. No, this is perfect. No, because Bob always followed his path. And what's interesting about the movie industry, instead of, like, as opposed to the music industry, the music industry, you write your own music, you know,

Starting point is 01:10:16 and it's direct to the consumer in some sense, like, you do whatever the fuck you want, and if people are vibing with it, you'll know and whatever. In the movie industry, you do kind of have to you got to be reliable, you know, a musician you show up whenever you want, they could be rock star, show up four hours late. If you're three hours late to a movie, they got to call insurance, you cost a million dollars now, you'll never work again. So there's a part of the job that's obedient in a sense, but the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that you know, people showed up for. People showed up but but also where they they broke rules in a sense

Starting point is 01:10:47 You know I was just talking to you know yeah, and and and and so it's a fine line and I Look at it like this This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen and I don't want to I don't want to live an unobedient life, but I also want at a time where maybe Hollywood or movie makers got a perception of like sometimes being out of touch or something or definitely like awards type movies. I want, especially a movie about Bob Dylan,

Starting point is 01:11:18 I want in all the movies that work, and that's why I did Dune, that's why I did Wonka. And I'm proud that those movies, I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but those movies were big, you know? Like in the movie industry, or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters, they don't do the business they once did.

Starting point is 01:11:31 Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I want to put my best foot forward. You gotta give back to the industry that gave to you. That's really my MO. And that's why I'm here. You know, otherwise, that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day-Lewis or these guys were. Because it's not about the bottom line,

Starting point is 01:11:51 but the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be. You know what I mean? I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball. I want inside baseball. I just, you know, you're like a real thinker. So it's not like you're gonna give some answer that isn't traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff. So that's perfect. There's no wrong way to answer it. It's a weird thing It's like yeah, and then also I had a full-ass real life before my career took off like in the East Village in New York

Starting point is 01:12:16 so Not that my life isn't real now, but like obviously on these press tours and stuff the days are micromanaged in some way but man You here's the thing that's another thing I say like as a musician or as a pop star whatever your music can be about your erosion of humanity like it could be about Hey, I'm driving this car and this is the crazy lifestyle of but if you're an actor if you if you lose your sense of humanity If you lose your stink for lack of a better word people people see that on screen. You do see it on screen. Oh, you seem too fancy, you seem out of touch.

Starting point is 01:12:47 Well, people are gonna know. That's why the Safdie movie I just did, man, he put me through the wringer. Really? Oh yeah, I felt like he was testing me early on. What does that mean? So when somebody's, like, so a director can kind of put you through some fucking shit? Yeah, look, Josh knew me since I was 21. Josh Safdie? Safdie. I was 21. Uncut Gems, that's that movie, right?

Starting point is 01:13:05 Yeah. That's one of the best movies. There you go, man. And Good Time. Good Time with Robert Pattinson he directed, too. I haven't seen that. I'm seeing Robert Pattinson for after, for later. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 01:13:16 But early on, we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie, on Marty Supreme. And I saw him wanting me to do it. And part of me was like, this feels like test you know and I wanted to show him and then now I feel like I've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever thank God but and and Josh I know I'm supposed to be talking about the Bob Dillon movie but Josh is okay it's all you acting yeah yeah Josh is the real deal man like and seriously like Josh Safi he's like the modern-day Scorsese like oh

Starting point is 01:13:44 dude you would love him. That's him? Yeah. Yeah. I would like to meet him. Dude, he could play Abraham Lincoln. He could play Abraham Lincoln. And you could play Ted Lincoln.

Starting point is 01:13:53 I could play Ted Lincoln. Tell him right now. His brother's an actor, Benny. You ever see, you saw the Nathan Fielder show with Emma Stone on Showtime? No? Yeah, yeah. That's his brother. I've seen the Nathan Fielder show.

Starting point is 01:14:04 Wow, that's cool. Yeah, yeah wow that must have been awesome man But yeah, that guy that Jim's is so good. I look forward to seeing that yeah, this is a crazy Crazy fucking so directors can do that so sometimes. It's like that. It's gonna be a journey. It's gonna be a journey Yeah, and what was the biggest journey through the arm? through the Unknown I just want to get the name of it a complete unknown Christmas day through Leave it like that. What was the biggest journey through a complete unknown on Christmas day? It's only on Christmas you can see it comes out on Christmas day

Starting point is 01:14:38 Yeah, yeah, um biggest journey was the music and the voice and also I've never had my phone off the entire movie I had three months on off the whole movie Yeah, I had three months to play this guy and the voice. And also I've never had my phone off the entire movie. I had three months. You had your phone off the whole movie. Yeah, I had three months to play this guy. And then the rest of my life I never get to play him again. So I was locked in. Also, you're never supposed to say you're competitive, but I want, you know there's been a lot of music biopics.

Starting point is 01:14:59 Yeah. And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man. I love Bob Dylan. I love this artist. None of this is for granted this little misconception about actors to enacting you can have a cushy job on a TV show if you Don't give a fuck about your work. It could be a great lifestyle, right? You're making like high six figures Maybe a little seven figures and you're just showing up when you want if you give a fuck about you're doing These are these are long ass days

Starting point is 01:15:21 You know I mean these are 14 days, six days a week sometimes, three months. Look, I know people got it way harder, but I wanna feel that grit. I wanna feel it. I hope people don't laugh at it. I fucking really, I feel like I'm the hardest working man. Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that.

Starting point is 01:15:38 But yeah. You respect what you do. Yeah, cause you got to. What else is the point? I talk about this with friends a lot. This is too weird a lifestyle to be. Notchelon about. Yeah, why you got to. What else is the point? I talk about this with friends a lot. Like, this is too weird a lifestyle to be... Notchelon about. Yeah, why do this?

Starting point is 01:15:49 Yeah. If you're not going to go as hard as possible. Yeah, imagine... On Marty Supreme, I'm wearing contacts because he wanted my eyes to be little. So he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up and I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing. And my vision was basically fucked up until a day Go every time I took these glasses off my my vision was skewed

Starting point is 01:16:11 You know Like the Forrest Gump of cider, whatever yeah, yeah, yeah, right sort of do Forrest Gump is uh we had the Forrest Gump ping-pong coaches Same lovely couple in LA Diego and way they married years. Wei is a Chinese ping-pong champion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the 80s. She pretty cool? She was, she's like, we would train... Yeah, Wei. Wei Li, there she is. There she is. Marty Supreme. That's my ping-pong coach. You know, we train for three hours and then she says, let's play for real.

Starting point is 01:16:38 And she's like, she's probably like 97 pounds. She's like five foot one and she's just like... Yeah. Unbelievable. You're not getting a point across. Yeah. Yeah Little bit of that do you um? Yeah, did you have to tell me your phone was off for that long? So you just locked in and what would you do to just go to do you sleep on set or what do you do? What's that like sleep on set and you know method acting that gets like a bad rap people think it's just like a person being a prick And obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality That's not real the thing I came up with I call it dude. That's just everybody stepdad as well. Yeah, exactly exactly

Starting point is 01:17:13 Yeah, exactly Give me a goddamn Miller light but I call it I call it method energy because You know you you know you'd shit on me too if I'm coming off like a dick But um you know I just tried to no cell phones nothing that reminds you of the present and Try to treat it like Bob Dylan as much as possible especially you're playing somebody that iconic that was tough, too He didn't feel like an icon when he was himself. He was just living his fucking life

Starting point is 01:17:43 So if you talk to too many people, you gotta avoid earworms. Oh, like somebody putting something in your head that stays in there. Yeah, that's why Edward Norton, I love him, he's great, Pete Seger in the movie, but he's like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman, if you ever saw that.

Starting point is 01:17:57 He's like a very confident, opinionated actor, so I would kinda have to, you know, and then he caught me watching Rounders one day. And then it was over, then he knew he had me. That's like, yeah, if you're watching another movie that some guys in here are like that. Yeah, he caught me in the hair and makeup show, he's like, oh, you like Rounders?

Starting point is 01:18:13 And I was like, all right, now we're gonna talk. Oh, hold me for a second, huh? That's a lot. I'm still jumping on you at the end of this. Oh, okay, well. Get ready. As long as it's on the front, brother. Yeah, get ready, get ready. Calm down, man. Get ready. As long as it's on the front, brother. Yeah, get ready.

Starting point is 01:18:25 Calm down, man. Get ready, get ready. Just kidding, I'll do a Hollywood for you. I'm getting you at your comfort zone. I've been out of my comfort zone since I was born. Alright, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, I never subscribed to it. Or I never got the keys, whatever.

Starting point is 01:18:39 You know the code they give you in high school to your locker? Yeah, you never got that. I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, I don't think this is it. What's the most comfortable you've ever felt in your life? Ooh, that's a great question. The most comfortable? Like most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol.

Starting point is 01:18:52 Probably after like a sauna and ice bath type of thing. Oh, you do ice baths? Yeah, yeah, I'll get in there, dude. Oh yeah, I'll fricking just, I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother. I like it, I like it like that. Oh yeah. I like it just brisk like that, you know? I love that would you go to the Arctic? Oh, yeah, I would go up there

Starting point is 01:19:09 Mr. Beast just went up there. He went to Antarctica Whoa, I don't know what he but he said it was nothing up there. There's not even like you came back Hey, let's go somewhere and like no you can't I don't get how that stuff works man. Where's he get? Where does he get the money? He's just he's just huge, huh? I guess he just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know? That's the other thing like where I want to be humble about putting movies out there. People's attention is elsewhere now. It's quick. It's fast.

Starting point is 01:19:35 You've got to convince someone to see A Complete Unknown on Christmas Day and take the $15 or $20, wherever the fuck it is now. And instead of watching you know mr. Beast in the Arctic well mr. Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that if like a week before but but um he was just Today and it's interesting yeah, yeah, and it's an interesting show totally different though, but one thing that's great about your movie is that First of all you just get you also just in addition to whatever's going on with the movie you get to hear like great music Yeah, it's great music great great music. It the movie, you get to hear like great music. Yeah, it's great music, great, great music. It's great music.

Starting point is 01:20:06 You get to remember like Woody Guthrie. Who played Woody Guthrie in it? Scoop McNary. He's amazing. He's amazing. Pull up a picture of Scoop McNary. Scoop McNary. Get a look at him before something happens to him.

Starting point is 01:20:16 Yeah, and he doesn't have a line in the movie. He doesn't have a line. Because he's so sick. Because he's so sick. That was pretty awesome. We had Bernie Sanders on and he was saying that, he said Pete Seeger was one of his favorite musicians. Scoop McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic. Oh, he could.

Starting point is 01:20:32 Totally could. Dude, you could play Ronald Reagan's son Ricky Reagan or whatever. Is that a real guy? Probably, dude. Bernie hasn't aged. Nah, Bernie still looks the same. He's the bastard. He looks the same in the last. Yeah He's like a real folk hero

Starting point is 01:20:51 It's a great point. Yeah, Bernie is is he is a folk hero. He's folk music Yeah, and you also forget about like what yeah I mean, that's another thing about the movie you see the challenge of Bob Dylan like take on like music and Culture there's this whole other cultural thing It's kind of happening in the background like on the television in the news during the movie It was a crazy time. It was like the it was the cool piece of life It was a cool piece of life the 60s were a cool time when you get out of it all and it's done I was beat on this one were you yeah? What does that really look like a break do you go to like a beach and it's no another thing another misconception about movies

Starting point is 01:21:18 Like as opposed to the academic year it kind of winds down. You're never winding down on a movie You're doing 14 hour days, and you off a cliff, then it's done. In other words, you don't relax towards the end. We were doing a very important scene and it was done forever. And yeah, I guess I relaxed a little bit. I went on vacation, but I was beat. I was working on this for five years.

Starting point is 01:21:36 This was like, this was as important to me as you going to the parking lot and spying on the swim team of Lipscomb College nothing to see here exactly I'm just recruiting guys recruiting production assistants, but um, but do you uh, so it was Do you think you would have done it more justice five years early? No, absolutely not also because I had the experience of my life where I would do Interviews and you know, it's a scary time to come up with the internet and stuff. You know, you want to get it, right?

Starting point is 01:22:08 And Bob Dylan his early press conferences. He was Confrontational he was basically a dick and I thought there was some really inspiring about that Not not that I ever wanted to be like that, but I just thought it's so different than how people are now Yeah, were you were you right? You're just automatically cordial. You just assumed like well, you gotta be man. A, I am, I'm not a pretty... Pretty cordial guy. Yeah, but B, um, God forbid, you know, you don't want to be, anyway, so, but he's, these early press conferences, oh, you know, if uh, if you're tremendously bored and not watching Mr. B stuff, watch the, the, the early Bob Dylan San Francisco press conferences, you know, and I just thought, so anyway, five years working on it, I got a better sense on the other side of it oh this is why

Starting point is 01:22:47 he would have carried himself like that you know he had some wherewithal I didn't have in his early 20s where somebody said how do you do it because basically didn't want to tell anyone you know me maybe because uh whatever the acting bone somebody said how do you do it you you're so desperate for that pat on your back and you go this is how I did it you know yeah yeah yeah I just wanted you and you get more experience that you can put into something like you were saying earlier about acting like you can keep doing it for a long time you know exactly um yeah can we hear any Bob is that a weird thing to ask you

Starting point is 01:23:15 dude is that lame like like live right now I'll try it go for it all right This is just a Hold on let me try one time Hey Hold on. Yeah, I gotta give it into it man. Get into it. Hey, who's at the door? That's not it That's a horrible. That was pretty good. You got the nasality down. You got the nasality Thanks, and that's Bob Dylan did I exactly just made shit up that was good man. He verified things didn't I don't think I'm trying to think who your music biopic would be Still it might have to be um what about Chet Baker? I would do Chet Baker Chet Baker or um Chet Hanks even

Starting point is 01:24:02 That would be unbelievable that's a That's a glitch in the system. Yeah, it's all, everything is. Yeah, everything is a glitch, dude. John Bon Jovi, it could be anybody. Chet has a new country album that's gonna come out this year too, I think. Dude, you gotta play Chet. Also, it'd be a great excuse to get shredded. I would just do it for the head. Just do it for that. They'll send you the best trainers, you'll get the HGH. I could do it, man.

Starting point is 01:24:25 I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we want to ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy? Ah, man, no, just thanks for having me on. I'm trying to think. I think we kind of covered a lot of these stuff. I think we covered it all, man. Yeah, I gotta water my plants, dude.

Starting point is 01:24:37 I just got home. Wait, you have a place in LA? Yeah, I still have an apartment there. Oh, you do? Is it here? Over in Westwood. In Westwood, all right, nice. I love Westwood. And so, yeah, I get my plants.

Starting point is 01:24:44 You go to Diddy Reese? And I forget, yeah I go over there sometimes I go walk over there and sometimes I would go for that And I would just end up getting a bunch of vapes And just sitting over in my car But um, I uh, yeah I would get, I just sometimes I forget to water my plants, you know? And then I get home and it's been like a month or something Your place is ready to be wifafied man

Starting point is 01:25:03 I know, and I'll always water them, I'll be my like your mother your mother left us. I yell shit like that I'm like your mother left to who to the plants I'll just make I like blaming on there like a imaginary mother or whatever like shit. We would have been fine But they're she left. I'm just pouring water punishment is the water the water is there I'm giving them the water But it would have been they'd have been watered every day if their mother oh if their mother Had left. Oh see you're bringing out the resentment on the plant. She left us Anyway, who's the mother poison ivy? It's just it's just a fictional woman. It's a fictional woman

Starting point is 01:25:33 Yeah, I feel like the next time we talk if you had me back on I feel like you're gonna be a year and a half into a beautiful marriage and a recent father and And You will have, you'll have a Subaru. Ooh. But I'll take, you know what, if the family comes with that and that's what it takes, I'll do it. All right.

Starting point is 01:26:00 You know, I'll do that. And I appreciate it, Timothy Shalime. Thanks for all the neat acting, man. Thanks for the movie about the young man struggling with drugs. Thanks for the movie about Bob Dylan. And just thanks for sharing what it takes, the commitment that it does take.

Starting point is 01:26:14 Because I do feel that from you. I do feel that, the commitment that it really takes if you really want to take this opportunity and make the most of it in your life, you know? Exactly, like you're doing, I see you doing. You know, so you just gotta go hard. Amen, brother. Christmas Day, the movie comes out, you can go watch it in the theaters with your family over the holidays. Perfect. Perfect family movie.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Will it be in theaters? Yeah? It'll be in theaters on Christmas Day. A complete unknown. Super proud of this, man. It should be, man. Congratulations, brother. Thanks for letting me talk about it, bro. Yep. That was fun man me cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take a little.

This Past Weekend - E551 Timothée Chalamet

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