This Past Weekend - E558 Katt Williams

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Starting point is 00:00:39 He is labeled by many as an oracle, as the black crystal ball, I've heard him called. I'm thankful that he came down from the clouds today to spend time with us. Today's guest is Mr. Cat Williams. ["I Will Find A Song"] I love this song. ["I Will Find A Song"]

Starting point is 00:01:07 What's up, man? What's up, man? It's time. It's good to see good old Theo Vine. It's an honor, man. The world loves you. You know? Well, that's nice of you to say. I feel like, I can't believe I'm around you, I think.

Starting point is 00:01:26 I feel like you seem like a mythical figure. Right, well. You know, like, Sack Squatch or like a unicorn or something like that. Yeah, you'll still feel that way by the end. Like I won't ruin that. Yeah, okay. That's the good thing about people like you and I.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Like if somebody thinks that they like us, and they think they've made a connection with this person on the screen. When they're around us, it's legitimate because it was legitimate, you know what I mean? Like, if Theo Vaughn wasn't successful, he doesn't have a different story. Right. Right, right. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:02:23 It's the same story. He lived that story. And that's why people gravitate to you because there's nobody like you. Well, thanks, man. I feel the same about you. I feel like everybody does. And you have a statue of me at your house. So you know.

Starting point is 00:02:44 So yeah. Thank you, man. Thank you for letting them even do that statue. What was that whole deal like with them, with Michaels? That's where I got mine that was at Michaels. Right. Yeah. Did you do, it wasn't a collab or what was it? Nope.

Starting point is 00:03:00 Nope, they just robbed my image and likeness because they could. They messed it up, man. Because they were doing it for religious purposes, I allowed it to be. Well, thank you. We wish you a black Christmas. Look, I'd be honored to have one. I'd be honored to have one.

Starting point is 00:03:23 Yeah, man. Because when I met that guy there, he said, we got two left, man, you know? And there was 201 of them was marked down cause I had a chip in it. But it's still, man, it's an honor. I keep it up at my house year round and people walk in and they're like, no way that's cat William right there.

Starting point is 00:03:40 It is. And it's beautiful, man. Thank you. Yeah. You have a new tour, man. I know people talk about touring and comedy a lot, and I want to know what kind of keeps you still doing comedy. Because I think when we start out, maybe it's to be funny, and then some people get to this

Starting point is 00:04:00 place where they want to have a message. Do you notice that kind of tone shift in your desire to do it over time? I don't think so. I always try to have a message just because I enjoy the fact that while laughing and joking, you might learn something you didn't know and have gotten it from a comedian. And I kind of dig that. But everything else is just continuing this conversation with my fan base. Like these are my friends that I haven't seen

Starting point is 00:04:43 since the last time I was here. And here's our discussion furthering our relationship. So it hasn't felt much like work. And is the heaven on earth, or do you believe in heaven? Absolutely. And earth. Yeah, okay, all right. Fair.

Starting point is 00:05:08 Touche, man. Dude, I remember when I first, cause like when I was growing up, we just had, you know, you'd learned about heaven and stuff, but all the fan flits or whatever I'd seen at church or anything, it always had, it was mostly white folks on it, right? And then I went to a black church one time.

Starting point is 00:05:27 It was, I think it's called Greater Starlight Baptist Church. That was in our town. And shout out to Greater Starlight Baptist Church. Oh yeah, it was nice in there. This was in Covington, Louisiana. But yeah, they had- About 13 miles from Slidel. Yeah, there you go. But yet they had about 13 miles from Slidell.

Starting point is 00:05:45 Yeah, there you go. Wow, Map Williams in the building, baby. Right. But, and that's when I realized- Don't let me go girt. Everybody's- That's when I realized, oh, everybody's going to be in heaven. That was the first time that I realized heaven was going to be very diverse.

Starting point is 00:06:09 I'd never thought about it. And it blew my mind. I was like, oh, wow, they're going to have black folks in heaven, Asian folks. All types of folks are going to be there. It's truly the only place that white people are a minority. Yeah, huh. Is in heaven. Just because thousands of years went

Starting point is 00:06:30 with nobody getting to go. Yeah. Just because of fuck shit that they might not have even been involved in. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm kind of, I don't know if I'm starting to look forward to it.

Starting point is 00:06:44 I am excited about it. Yeah. But yeah, I guess I get caught up, I don't know if I'm starting to look forward to it. I am excited about it. Yeah. But yeah, I guess I get caught up in like a lot of worldly stuff, you know, like there's still things I want to do here, that type of thing, you know? Really? Yeah. You still got stuff you haven't done? Yeah, man, I got some things. Yeah, some different things. I would like to write a book, I think. Don't say what they are, but I'm saying just the fact that you got things

Starting point is 00:07:06 that you're excited about doing, that's the joy of life. That's when you're living. That's why it's so difficult for these super wealthy people to be fucking happy. Like they can do everything else, but they can't fucking be happy because they've lived all their dreams, they got everything they were trying to get.

Starting point is 00:07:31 They wake up and they can't score a touchdown, no matter what. Yeah, it's a terrible life. But guys like you and I that still got stuff to try and taste and, you you know things to feel and people to be around like it gives life a wonderful meaning. Yeah. Yeah, I think that is something that like if I stay kind of motivated and I have a plan

Starting point is 00:08:00 a little bit that keeps me a lot more like, okay, I want to do this. I still want wanna try that. Yeah. And I start to think, man, I'm running out of time too. If you really like to taste different things and smell different flowers and see what's in different gardens and stuff, then you start to run out of time.

Starting point is 00:08:20 No. You don't think? No, because you had to be in the position that you're in now for you to be able to make some of these things happen. Couldn't have done them at 34, 24, 14 because circumstantially you weren't ready. You weren't ready financially. You didn't have the time. You didn't know that's what you wanted to do.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Now at this place is when you can make those things happen. Like you can do everything on that list of yours in 2025 with no fucking sweat. And your biggest problem in 26 is I gotta have a new list. Yeah, time is one of the main things that's made up. Yeah, you think? I know. So it's just used as like a mechanism

Starting point is 00:09:14 to what, limit our thinking? Well, don't say limit. You said that you like this thing because it gives control and it puts things in its place. And that's what time does for us so that we're able to keep track, you know? But the less you deal with time, you realize you have the right amount of time

Starting point is 00:09:40 to do everything you gotta do every day. 24 hours. And you could make it an adventure every fucking day, like, hey, I could die tomorrow, what would that mean I would need to be doing today? You see what I'm saying? Like, not looking at it like, oh, I'm running out of time. No, no, no, no. Dead people ran out of time.

Starting point is 00:10:04 Everybody else alive. Oh, I'm running out of time. No, no, no, no. Dead people ran out of time. Yeah. Everybody else alive. You got 30 swim trunks. Do that for me. Hey. You know, no, no. How you gonna say you got 30 swim trunks, but you ain't never been in the ocean, Joe Rogan.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Yeah. Bro, thank you for having a good sense of humor, man. That's what I am. I am a good sense of humor. Yeah, sometimes we forget about that along the way, man. You are. Right. How long you want to live for it, then you think, Kat?

Starting point is 00:10:37 You got to check out, you got to, when you ever think about it? I was promised that I won't have to deal with that, so I don't have any things that I have to do in order to go out the way I would like. So that's a blessing and about one of the best you can get, you know, is being okay with the body of work and the legacy and the feelings and the emotions that you left, you know? And I still haven't done my best, like comedically. Like I'm still not my funniest. Like I'm still not working hard enough.

Starting point is 00:11:43 Like I'm still not, I enough. Like I'm still not, I still haven't made a complete package of myself yet. Do you think some comedians start to feel like they have and that that's a trap? Most comedians have though. I'm saying that becomes part of the career is the fact that a lot of guys that are doing comedy right now were funny

Starting point is 00:12:10 from 1995 to 2004 They're still working. Yeah, they're still generating income. They're still but their best Comedy is long behind them. They're not that comedian that was thinking something was funny and writing it down and figuring a way to get this to the people. So yeah, it happens. What sidetracks comedians? I guess it could be all types of things, huh? What sidetracks them from maybe fulfilling their...

Starting point is 00:12:47 Excellence is difficult. But to be mediocre, it's no pressure. Like, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Like if you don't feel like you have to be the funniest person that this crowd has seen tonight, then you don't. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody's gonna jam you up about it.

Starting point is 00:13:11 They'll go, oh, you were funny. And for a lot of people, that's enough. How do you pick on, you've had a lot of openers, like I've met a lot of your openers over the years here and there. How do you choose them, man? How do you choose these guys or women? I've met a lot of your openers over the years here and there. How do you choose them, man? How do you choose these guys or women?

Starting point is 00:13:31 You need a lighter? Oh, no, no, I have no need to apologize. I choose them based upon whether their point of view is unique to them. Like, I don't care what a comedian's talking about. That's your business. I don't care what jokes you're making or how your set flows. But are you telling a story about you?

Starting point is 00:14:01 Can people see this eight minutes, 12 minutes you're gonna do and know you and have a chance to like you? If you do that, then you can open for me because my allegiance is to the people out there in those seats and I want them to see the very best comedians that I can possibly bring somebody they'll enjoy, whether they're male or female or white or black. Just do they come to work? Do they have a show for you? You see?

Starting point is 00:14:38 Yeah. Yeah, that's what I care about. Yeah, I think when I was getting into comedy in the beginning, I didn't... I wanted people to know me, right? Like I never, I liked the jokes and I want them to, I want them to laugh and feel good and see different ways that maybe I think and stuff, but I wanted to sell myself.

Starting point is 00:14:57 That's what I always thought. I think when I first started, I didn't think I, I don't want you to remember one joke. I want you to remember me, right? Like I felt like this desperate. That's a star though. See, you knew that you would be a star. That's different than a performer. A performer is based upon the act.

Starting point is 00:15:18 What I'm saying is, magicians ain't shit unless they doing magic. Yeah. Right? Oh, if I see them bitches, yeah, I feel. Right. Bro, come on. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:29 But a true comedian is above the comedy material. The jokes are secondary. We like this guy. And we want to hear what this guy has chosen to say to us about the topics of his choosing. That's who you are. You know what I mean? That's who you are. That's who you are, Kat. Yeah, well, takes one to know one. Um, yeah, you grew up in Ohio, huh? Yes. Yeah. Did you grow up by Dave Chappelle? You guys grew up in Ohio, huh? Yes. Yeah. Did you grow up by Dave Chappelle?

Starting point is 00:16:06 You guys grew up near each other. Dave Chappelle's not even from Ohio. Isn't he? I thought he's from Dayton. I'm from Dayton. Are you really? Yeah. Chappelle's from D.C.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Oh, damn. My bad. Sorry. No problem. But he lives in Dayton now, though. Yeah. He has a lot of... He owns probably five million dollars worth of property out there. Dang.

Starting point is 00:16:28 He's done really well for our Dayton, Ohio. They got a beautiful museum out there I went to. Dayton's a wonderful place. They have the Air Force Museum, I think it is out there. Yeah, because we have Wright-Patterson Air Force base that we're very very proud of It's awesome. Yeah, they have um, I think fat man and little boy are in there. Is it the or the plane that dropped? There's a planes that dropped the bombs on I want to say it I Want to say it's Pearl Harbor in there, man

Starting point is 00:17:06 It could be your Oshima little boy fat man Yeah, that's what our Rogan named his um the rooms of his comedy club after he certainly did the mothership Yeah, they really get it over there. Um You feel in the pressure of this interview? No, no. Of, uh, Austin of moving there is Austin calling you a little bit. They're trying to put pressure on you a little bit. I didn't like at first I wanted to do my own thing. Like a lot of people were moving there, but now when I'm there, it just feels like it's a fun energy. It is.

Starting point is 00:17:39 And there's people on stage and you can go up and down that six street and you can do five or six sets in a night. I mean, that's a lot of practice and it's probably within 800 footsteps or whatever. Yeah. So that to me seems really remarkable. What's on the new tour, what's it like?

Starting point is 00:17:59 Like, what's it like to still go out there? What's it like to like, do you do in the round? What's your show like? I've been to a Cat Williams show. Clearly. Yeah. And what a blessing, you know what I mean? That's true, I still have it to look forward to.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Right. And we just learned we got plenty of time, you know? But it's like, I don't know, It's like a festival for laughs and good energy. There are different comedians before it gets to me, and so you get a chance to get an overview of some of the greatest comedians around the country and get a chance to see them. It's hosted by Monique, and Monique is a super large figure in comedy, and she has a great presence.

Starting point is 00:19:09 And then after all of said and done, then I come out and I congregate with the people for an hour. And yeah, the best thing I think is probably the fact that you've gotten your money's worth twice before I get on stage. Amen. And I think that's the part I'm probably proudest of. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:35 Were you, what do you bring with you on the road? Somebody said you bring a Cybertruck, is that true? Yes, that's my work truck. I have a cyber truck. That's why I was just curious what you thought about it. When I'm home on the ranch, that's my farm truck. I love it. It's fun.

Starting point is 00:19:59 It feels like you're driving an email kind of. A what? It feels like you're driving an email. That's what I feel like sometimes. It just feels like I'm in the future. Like you could floor it and just. Yeah, it does feel like a UFO. Yeah, like you'll put the gas on Monday. Like you'll floor it and you'll fucking,

Starting point is 00:20:15 when it stops, it's fucking Thursday right there. It's like, it just has like a, I don't know. Yeah, it's a unique experience, you know? Have you met him? Have you met Elon before? No. No, I don't. I don't generally enjoy the company of billionaires.

Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think if I know any good billionaires. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think if I know any good billionaires. Well, it's not that they're not good, but I'm saying. I don't need to be reminded of my inadequacies. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What you do for fitness, man? What's your fitness regime like?

Starting point is 00:21:03 You got a regime each day or what's that like? The ladies keep me fit. I'm heavy in sexual relations and so. Oh yeah. That keeps you pretty, pretty fit. I got a cold plunge and a jacuzzi and a sauna that I do pretty ritualistic. I've never been a gym guy.

Starting point is 00:21:28 I got two torn rotator cuffs, so that kinda limits me. Oh, damn, both them bitches gone, huh? Yeah, yeah, so golf is basically how I stay where I'm trying to be. But I've never been, I've never been seven pounds under or over in my life. You're that middle dog. Yeah, dog.

Starting point is 00:21:51 Like, I'm at 150, you know. On the dime, baby, he'll show up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll fucking checkmate a scale, baby. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, right, right. Yeah, I think I like, what have I been doing recently?

Starting point is 00:22:04 Swimming, oh, there's you playing golf right there. Damn, kid, out there. Right, so you know, if you can get 222 without your arms ever going above your head and do it consistently where it always ends up in the fairway that you're hitting, you know, 14, 16 of 18 in the fairway. You know, then you can play the game a little better.

Starting point is 00:22:34 Banging out there, yeah. Well. You can't get them arms, I guess at a certain point your arms don't need to go that high in the air anyway, though, I'm trying to think of what I... Well, it would certainly give me more yards and a fuller thing. It's just the rotator cuffs don't allow it.

Starting point is 00:22:54 So I started golfing with these 80 year old guys that... They bitch, you gotta wait, you gotta wait. Like they can barely get out the car, but then they come out there and out drive you. Every shot is better than your life. So they taught me how to play golf under restraint, so as to not hurt myself, you know. And how'd you bang them cuffs up? What happened, you think?

Starting point is 00:23:23 What you mean? How'd you swim in? Oh,? What happened, you think? What you mean? How'd you, uh... Oh, I was... Were you swimming? I was in the midst of a, uh... Of a push-up contest. No way. You blew them out.

Starting point is 00:23:35 Yeah. Oh, man. But I was... I was probably at 200. I was doing too much. You did 200 push-ups? Yeah. Yeah. And tore the cuffs both at the same time. You ripped both them bitches, man.

Starting point is 00:23:51 God dang, boy, you better watch it. Pull up at a Jiffy Lube and get well, buddy. I'm telling the guy I'm going against, because the way it worked is you could do as many as you wanted when you stopped. It's my goal and I got a match. You know what I mean? So you took it to the limits. It was a horse.

Starting point is 00:24:14 You took it to the limits, right? Yeah. Maybe you could probably do some swimming safely. Maybe I could see you get my avid water. Yeah. I'm in the water probably more than. You're that dark koi baby. You out there. I love it watered. I'm in the water probably more than most. You're that dark koi, baby, you out there. I love the water.

Starting point is 00:24:31 Yeah. I pray underwater. Because evil can't access you underwater. Oh, that's interesting. A lot of people don't know. Is that true? Yeah. And, um.

Starting point is 00:24:47 Maybe that's why a baby, a child is an amniotic fluid, huh? Yeah, like water's super powerful, like a living being. I'm sure that soon in the future, they will confirm for us that water is a sentient being and that, you know, man, that's going to be if they do that. Well, that's why all throughout history, there was always gods of water just because it's such a powerful force.

Starting point is 00:25:19 Yeah. Yeah. God is great. Yeah, I have a trouble out there. I think I'm just not the best swimmer, man. I never, I don't like to swim cap either. You know, I never liked putting that cap on. That just was not something that, that was my vibe, you know?

Starting point is 00:25:35 What do you mean by not a good swimmer? I just, I don't like it, man. I don't like being out in there. I'm kind of a land dog. I like being on land. I respect water too much. I think I get too scared in it. I'm kind of a land dog. I like being on land. I respect water too much. I think I get too scared in it. I just, that's it.

Starting point is 00:25:49 I get scared in it. Yeah, you have to have a real respect for it, no matter what, like on a boat or regardless. Like it's one of those crazy things that, you know, it's beautiful and wonderful and it sustains life, but it has a thousand ways to kill you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:10 And it, yeah, it houses the scariest in the whole world. Yeah, I just get nervous. But what are you like in a jacuzzi though? I'm pretty chill, I think, you know, I'm okay in a jacuzzi, but even then if nobody's around Yeah, I don't know if I trust myself or not not to not to like yeah If I even fuck if I'm driving through a long puddle up fucking I'll look at my watch and make sure everything's alright You know, I just get I got a drowning incident in your past I think I've just had some probably nervous experiences with it man. We used to have a neighbor and this guy was probably

Starting point is 00:26:42 some probably nervous experiences with it, man. We used to have a neighbor and this guy was probably, I don't know if you, he had like one of them big bathtubs they had at their house and they would, he would make us play Navy or something, he's probably a gay guy, but we didn't know, right? But he would have us playin' Navy and shit. You have more than six of those stories, so you can't claim it now.

Starting point is 00:27:04 Yeah, we had, well, but he'd have us play, but it was just like a lot of uh. There was a guy looking in, had you looking in butt holes, so I'm saying. Yeah, we had some fucking wild neighbors, bro. Some of these guys were for certain gay. I don't know if they was gay. I'm not sure what they were.

Starting point is 00:27:22 We're sure, we're sure what they were. We're sure. We're sure what they were. You just made it through all the gauntlets, like as a participant. Oh yeah, bro. I'll put a juke on a nut sack. Give me my four dollars. Bro, we grew up just adding up. Back then they had this more pedophiles and wildness, I think back then, man.

Starting point is 00:27:48 People wouldn't, now it's all documented, you know? But back then it was just, people was more, you know, I remember we had a guy they call, one basketball coach had been like kind of tickling the kids a lot, right? And then the other guy called him and he said, he said, Hey, you can't say that's so natural. That's so naturally like that's a thing that coaches can find themselves dealing with. He trying to get that three pointer out of you, bro.

Starting point is 00:28:24 But they had, yeah, just, but they called him and said, Hey, they said, bro. I know I got it. Oh. But they had, yeah, just, but they called him and said, hey, they said, Mr. Sharp, you say, if you keep tickling the kids, you can't coach them no more. But that was it. There wasn't like a lawsuit or anything. It was just more, you know, stern activity.

Starting point is 00:28:39 Don't do it. Don't do it like that. But we had, I mean, I don't fucking know, man. What was I, what were we talking about? Oh, swimming people. Swimming, man. Yeah, I never, I think I just get too nervous in water. I just, I know it's too powerful.

Starting point is 00:28:54 That's what I know. Yeah. I know it's way more powerful than I am, man. Yeah. But it's so funny you get that, like, yeah, cause I could see you, man. I think sometimes if I think about you, I think about you like, I could see you man. I think sometimes if I think about you, I think about you like,

Starting point is 00:29:06 I could see you having like a show at a SeaWorld or something like that, you know? Like, you know what I'm saying? Matt, like a, the cat. No, it'll be a one night only. But still. Cause I'm letting all the, I'm letting everybody out.

Starting point is 00:29:23 Are you free? This is wrong. You free? Like I'm black, I'm letting everybody out. Are you free, bro? This is wrong. You freein' Like I'm black, I'm not gonna stand here in front of a prison and do a show. You freein' all the black fish on everything. All the fish. Every fish in the ocean, bro.

Starting point is 00:29:38 Free Nemo, bro, until it's backwards, man. I don't know what happened yesterday. Everyone's gone. Dude, if they had one... Yeah, I'm talking a $320 ticket. It's a pricey ticket, but it's a one night only. Cat Williams and the whales, baby. Cat, fish. I got you.

Starting point is 00:30:04 People, it'd be unprecedented, fish. I got you. People, it'd be unprecedented, man. You know? Indeed. Indeed it would. It would be unprecedented. People would love it, man. I think people are loving the fact that you're sharing new stories. Thanks, man. Right.

Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah, like I- So get back to the guy in his big bathtub. Oh yeah, Roy was his name, right? Roy. And he ended up in the military. But at the time, nobody knew that, you know? We were just children and he was, and he got a whistle or something.

Starting point is 00:30:36 Somebody bought him a whistle. And so he would just have us like do these like little games or whatever, you know? And so I don't know if kids were violent during that or sometimes people would little games or whatever, you know? And, um, and so I don't know if, I don't know if kids were violent during that or sometimes people would be aggressive or something, but I, I think maybe that made me nervous about water. My sister almost drowned one time. I thought she did dress, she didn't, but she almost drowned once. So I think just stuff like that, we would go swimming a river and there weren't a lot of lifeguards.

Starting point is 00:31:05 So I think that's super scary because you get caught with a current or something. It's just real. It can be a lot. You know? Which river? The river we were at, I think it was probably part of the Chifuncta, like a little tributary of it. Dirty water?

Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah. That's scary too. Yeah. Yeah. So just that kind of atmosphere, I guess, maybe. Tryin' to think what made me so scared. And you know what, I don't know if I knew how to swim that great.

Starting point is 00:31:34 You got your funked the river. I don't know if I knew how to swim that great, to be honest with you. But yeah, I think yeah, people could. I would love to see you do a water show of some sort one day, if you ventured out to that sort of thing. I appreciate the fact that you're giving me ideas of things that are unprecedented.

Starting point is 00:31:55 Yeah, it'd be really cool, man. Nobody else has a water show. I love it. This episode is sponsored by PrizePix. Do you love firing on sports? Pew, pew. Well, PrizePix is the best daily fantasy sports app for you. Sign up today and get $50 instantly when you play $5.

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Starting point is 00:37:24 of homeless millionaires. Yeah. Yeah, it's so surprising, man. I had a friend, I was talking to him. He said, hey, do you want me to go to your apartment and get your, I got a Jeep Cherokee out of here. So you want to go get it in case of winds change it. And I said, I think it's gonna be okay and I said what are

Starting point is 00:37:46 you doing he's like I'm going to an audition and it was just so wild he had places that were completely disappear off the earth and then you have a guy who's going to an audition at the same time you know just that there's so many things happening at once in this it's like part of it is so affected and some of it is unaffected. Kind of just was a dike-totomy. Yeah, I feel that way every time I watch international news. You know what I mean? Just to, if you watch another country's news

Starting point is 00:38:17 and see all of the stuff that they're going through that we never hear about or know about. Yeah, it's crazy. LA is just so massive of a city, you know? Yeah, it's like a state almost in a way. Right, like LA is like a collection of 100 cities, you know, that make this. That's a good point, I never thought about it like that.

Starting point is 00:38:38 With Hollywood and Encino and Beverly Hills and all Compton, Gardena and Inglewood and Hawthorne and Torrance and the city of Manchester and all of these places are, um, fingers and pieces of the body that is LA. So there's no way for six or seven of those parts to be going through pain and the body to be okay, but by the same token, it has to be.

Starting point is 00:39:17 You know what I mean? Like, if you break your finger, the rest of your finger's still got work to do. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:39:36 Yeah, sometimes I think about what it would be like if I were like another ethnicity, you know? You ever imagine like that? Like if you was like another ethnicity, you know, you ever imagine like that? Like if you was an Asian guy? Like if you could handle it? No, I am. You ever had dreams like that where you're Asian? I'm not sure if you have those when you're black.

Starting point is 00:39:59 Like, I'm saying I was born black, so I was born a superior being, a superb specimen, if you will, as far as human creations are concerned. So I never wanted to be anything other than that. I wanted to know how other people felt. So I didn't. But you never like thought I wanna be that. No. Yeah. No, but maybe some of that is because I didn't think that was possible

Starting point is 00:40:49 Like like Yeah, like I didn't I didn't see it from a negative perspective I saw it From a positive perspective, right, you know what I mean? Like I'm in the driver's seat, I don't, yeah, it'd be cool to be a passenger, but I like the seat I'm in. That make sense? Yeah, I didn't think that Chinese people were

Starting point is 00:41:22 having more fun or doing better things, or I thought they were doing different things. Yeah, they're doing fine. Yeah, and I was interested in knowing what those were, but it never dawned on me that they might be better. You know what I mean? Right. And I had white friends that were admirable,

Starting point is 00:41:44 but I didn't imagine being white. And I didn't think that they imagined being black, I guess, either. But you have a great imagination, which is what makes you world class. Like you have to have that. Because I heard you tell the story of, you know, I know the stories.

Starting point is 00:42:09 Yeah, I think, because I think about that a lot, I guess, of what it would be like to be different ethnicities, if I could handle it. You know, if I would think it was fun. I don't think that you would be as different from yourself as you, or as a white guy, as you imagine that you would be as different from yourself as you or as a white guy as you imagine that you would be. Oh, you would just be kind of the same but just in different shapes.

Starting point is 00:42:31 Right, right. What I'm saying is I don't think that you... Because you think the thoughts in all are kind of the same than you think. Like that's... I'm almost certain. I'm almost certain that you as a black guy are also not the norm. You're not. Yeah. You're-

Starting point is 00:42:55 I could do it, I think, man. Kind of a singular. Yeah, you can- Okay, I would like, you know, if I ever, I don't know what I'm saying. I'm trying to culture vulture or whatever, but I would like, you know, if I ever, I don't know what I'm saying. I'm trying to culture vulture or whatever, but I would like, if they ever give you, if they do, you know, if they let people,

Starting point is 00:43:11 if I get to do reincarnation, I would put in an application under that. Okay, so let's work this out. Let's work this out because if reincarnation is real, you have some say in it. Right? That's right, cause you probably get to apply or talk to the manager.

Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm saying there's nobody else's opinion that will be more valued than yours, right? So let's decide. So where are you coming back? What do you want to try first? Which ethnicity you mean? Don't go right to black. Okay, I won't.

Starting point is 00:43:47 I'll wait at least a round or whatever. I will do, I don't know if I, what I do, Asian seems so, it feels like you could, it feels easy to do kinda. I hate to say that, it just seems. Yeah, that's racist. Sorry. No, it's okay. to say that, it just seems. Yeah, that's racist. Sorry. No, it's okay.

Starting point is 00:44:06 Okay. Yes, I said it. Asian people. Oh, I would be Mexican seems, Mexican seems cool. It's, you're kind of almost, you're like a little black or whatever, but you're also, you're just-

Starting point is 00:44:20 Right, what was his name? That came in your school? Oh. Nuh-uh? Oh! The first Mexican? No, the kid, the first Mexican that we ever had in our school. Not Constantine. No, Nicholas. Nicholas. So you at least have some experience.

Starting point is 00:44:38 Yeah. You know how you could show up. You could be a hero. Not get ahead of yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I would go easy into it. I wouldn't let anybody know that I was, had been there, that I was, it was my first time. You know, I think you'd have to be, because sometimes I believe you have first times as a human even, like you meet some people and it's like oh this is this person's first time being a human the soul like this is right this is a damn newborn you know right and then you meet some people you're like damn this person is a sensei this person has been they've been here before they've

Starting point is 00:45:15 been here before all right but yeah I wouldn't go do black first man I wouldn't yeah I would definitely keep that for like a or I would yeah I would try I would be I would be honored to do it if they let me do it. That's what I would say. I don't speak for the entire delegation, but. And I would do my best, man. We would be, again, as a black guy, we would be honored to have you come through. Apply.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Our path, and the only reason I said don't do it first is just because there are certain things that go along with it that you just don't know how you handle it, you know? Yeah. Until you got the dick of a horse, and then you just gotta figure this thing out, like. Fuck, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:03 Oh yeah, you got a parallel park even probably tougher. You know, everything is different. A little bit different I'm sure. But yeah, I don't know if I'd go, if yeah, I would like to, especially if I got to bring a friend, I would definitely do it man. You don't get to bring a friend.

Starting point is 00:46:20 You make new friends with each of the, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. I know, see I wanna just have some safety, you know? Same reason I don't wanna be in the water, you know? It's just, when I feel risk, it makes me, I think it makes me feel nervous, you know? Right, but nervousness was created for that. That's, nervousness is a good thing.

Starting point is 00:46:43 You're supposed to feel that. But that doesn't dictate whether you continue. And if you can get a hold of that, understanding that nervousness doesn't mean stop. The yellow light doesn't mean stop. The yellow light means be cautious, right. And so when you feel those nerves, understand those nerves mean, okay, don't fuck around. But you can still enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to get you closer to the water in 2025. And we're going to

Starting point is 00:47:25 in 2025 and we're going to deal with some of these ethnic- Blockages maybe? I don't think they're blockages. You're very open-minded. Yeah, thanks man. Yeah, they're not blockages. Yeah, you're not dealing with blockage. You're dealing with uncertainty as to who you are in the universe

Starting point is 00:47:48 and whether or not you belong in the places you feel like you. Man, that's interesting. That is kinda how I feel. Yeah, cause I'm always thinking of what this other thing would be like, kinda. Right, right, Because, you know. I never really thought about it like that.

Starting point is 00:48:09 I don't believe this is your home planet, you know. Do you believe that most of the people here that are living right now, that this is their home planet? that this is their home planet? No. No. So you feel like it's more that we're a, you feel like we're maybe a species from somewhere else that's been kind of, that landed here or that got? Mm-hmm. All of the religions tell the same story. And all of the stories are started up there and then end up down here and then continue.

Starting point is 00:48:58 And there's a reason for that, I believe. Do you feel like this is like a place we're supposed to learn something? Do you feel like it's a place that we're kind of just spending time? An experience, a destination. You and I are at an age where we remember when the video game experience wasn't what it is now.

Starting point is 00:49:25 It was still a game, like Monopoly or something. the video game experience wasn't what it is now. It was still a game like Monopoly or something. You know? Where it is now, it's a whole different universe that you can live inside from your Xbox or your PlayStation. And in Call of Duty, you're an actual soldier and you get kills and deaths and eliminations. And when you then cross over to the PGA game, you have your actual golfer that looks like you

Starting point is 00:49:59 and has the name you gave him and he's really gonna go out there and do this 18 on Whistling Straight. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, then I go and get in my podium one Sim racer and I pick the car of my choice and I'm an actual racer. So those experiences located in that console, that's this experience here on Earth that we're all able to share. And that's what would make that reincarnation possible. It just means, oh, yesterday I played that game and today I'm logging in this experience.

Starting point is 00:50:47 And so yeah, certainly a universal college, if you will. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I forget I get caught up in the minutia of things, you know, and I forget to kind of have this bigger breath of like, this is an experience. It's not a sentence. An experience in which you're winning. Right.

Starting point is 00:51:13 And an experience in which you're in a better position than others who have been in this same, you are excelling in a life in which you very well could have turned out to be nothing. Yeah. Or another statistic or just another forgotten body in a ditch. And those were the hazards, right? And you, Diova, made it through all of that and negated all of those horrific possibilities

Starting point is 00:51:54 and are here in this position the best you've ever been. And those are the facts. And if we tell ourselves more of the facts in our head then we don't Hear so much negative, you know if we try and just focus on telling ourselves the facts Yeah of our of how good we're doing like We're much too hard on ourselves. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I feel that all the time man Yeah, I feel like I don't know any other way to be almost sometimes. Like not in a bad way, but yeah, I feel like it's,

Starting point is 00:52:29 it's this constant sentence, you know, like you gotta, I feel like there's always been this to-do list that I don't even make, and it's just always been there. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah. That's how I feel all the time. Right. Like, I gotta do, you know, still have to prove it,

Starting point is 00:52:43 you know, a constant of approving. This, all winners have that disease. It's self-inflicted. It's for you. It's you doing that. And there's nothing wrong with that harsh management, it's what gets you to the point that you're at. But if you have animals, you know that a relationship

Starting point is 00:53:19 doesn't do good with just control words, just sit and stay, and there needs to be a connection fostered and treats are the best thing for learning, you know? And so treat yourself with those type of things as well. And so treat yourself with those type of things as well. Like don't forget to remind yourself of all of the people that you tell stories about and the fact that that was it for them.

Starting point is 00:54:00 That little piece of the story you told, like they didn't get better. Like they didn't then change some stuff and go like, you did. You know? Yeah, yeah. Do you feel like, who was like a role model when you were growing up?

Starting point is 00:54:17 Where do you think you got some of your own influences from? Do you think it was from people like actually humans in the world or do you feel like you had kind of like divine thoughts that came into your head or guidance? Like where did that kind of stuff affect you like when you were younger? Do you feel like? I got it all from books. Like I got it all from books.

Starting point is 00:54:39 What are you smoking, Kev? Sir? Brother? You smoking? If it's not pot, I can smoke it. That's right, if it's not pot, I can smoke it. Yeah, it's for certain pot. Oh, it is?

Starting point is 00:54:53 Yes, sir. Oh damn, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, if you needed a cigarette, you could have. Yeah, I might have a cigarette with you, man. Sure. What you're getting ready to have is not even available

Starting point is 00:55:06 in this place that we live in. What? California, LA. Oh, they don't have new ports here? Yeah, they're not allowed to do menthols. So racist. Yeah, it's weird. You can burn down a whole town, but you can't have a Newport.

Starting point is 00:55:28 Right. Right. And your blackness begins. Yeah. Yes, sir. Sorry. Was that it? I love that a lot. Yes, sir. Sorry. I love that a lot. Yes sir. We had some cool black kids growing up in our area bro. Right. Right. Your basketball team pitcher is just so wonderful. Oh thanks man. Cal Jackson on there, Don Galatus, he had a child. Number 34 of our basketball pitcher, we had a lot of good kids in there, man. Shout out James Gray, his dad ran a tire place.

Starting point is 00:56:14 He was in there. There's Vincent, he got all the ladies, Vincent, dude. And Johnny, that's Big Johnny, he was damn 11 feet tall, baby. He had birds living on his shoulders, baby. He was up there. Look, we had a lot of cool kids in our area. That's how we know everything is perception for you, you know what I mean? Because you gave two whole different sizes for two niggas. That's the same size

Starting point is 00:56:47 The same size in the picture, you know, he doesn't let that change his story one of them was seven foot seven He was bigger than all the trees Six foot one here. They are together But Johnny was so tall he had windows on the side of his head, but he was tall. No, you were kneeling down. Yeah, countless stories. That's true. I was kneeling down, man.

Starting point is 00:57:16 Yeah, but these experiences, no matter what, that dude number 34, we want to hear his stories. Like we know he's got stories and we want to know if he'll tell the stories and the fact that that's what you do is why. Well thanks man, thanks for the nice words. I appreciate it. You do a great job too man. Thank you for all the joy over the years.

Starting point is 00:57:40 I appreciate it. You do a great job too, man. Thank you for all the joy over the years. You just bought a military base, is that right? Yeah, formerly Fort McClellan. Fort McClellan, and was it an active base till recently or? I think it decommissioned in 1999. What's it like over there?

Starting point is 00:58:07 Magnificent, magnificent. It's gonna be one of the greatest things that I personally have ever done, but it's... This is it? That's the front side of the beginning of the campus, which is 30 buildings, 3 million indoor square feet, 4.5 miles of roads. We got the best parts of the base. They had chemical testing and stuff.

Starting point is 00:58:45 We don't have those parts of the base. That's the Department of Homeland Security. But yeah, we just have a wonderful blessed base at the foothills of the mountains. And it's really magical. And I was able to see what Tyler Perry was able to do with two or 300 acres and a military base. Yeah, it's amazing.

Starting point is 00:59:15 And how you could make a movie studio out of that. And so yeah, we're, yeah, it hit the news recently but I purchased it years, a couple years back. Yeah, I've had, so we've been working. Was that a tough step to like take that, like, okay, we can get this and we can do this? Like, did you reach out to Salar Perry? Cause I know he has like in Atlanta,

Starting point is 00:59:47 he has an amazing space. He may have many spaces now. This was three years ago, I went to a space to train for something and they were, it was unbelievable. No, no, no. I wasn't looking then or now for assistance. Like we can do this.

Starting point is 01:00:09 I just needed to be able to have a home where great movies and entertainment product could be made without any of the shenanigans that are generally involved with Hollywood and be able to crank them out. And that all it needs to do is be good. If it's good, we're going to make it. And so even though it might have appeared from interviews of me that, you know, this guy just loves tearing people apart,

Starting point is 01:00:44 really, you know, we're trying to create something from interviews of me that this guy just loves tearing people apart, really. We're trying to create something where it can provide a platform for a lot of people to show what they do. So, yeah. So it'd be a place where you could make other people's dreams come true, like with film, television, that sort of thing.

Starting point is 01:01:04 Right, right, where you can make other people's dreams come true with film, television, that sort of thing. Right, right, where you can just basically have a great script and a great cast and leave your troubles at the door and walk out with the movie in the can. You know what I mean? I like that, I like that doing things yourself. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:28 Yeah, because they'll let the comedy movie industry die if we allow it, you know what I mean? And nobody in the fan base ever said, hey, we don't want any more funny movies. Nobody said that. None of the fans ever were like, hey, we're tired want any more funny movies. Nobody said that. None of the fans ever were like, hey, we're tired of laughing in the movies. Yeah, boo to the cops.

Starting point is 01:01:50 No one ever said that. They just decided, you know, we make more money in the superhero action department. Let's just do all those. You know what I mean? And so it'll just take for somebody in the comedy sphere to start producing funny shit and there we go again. Do you already have projects kind of on tap?

Starting point is 01:02:18 Yeah, we got a slate. I'm not allowed to really answer that question, but yeah, like it's a great location where it is. You know, like it's an hour and a half from Atlanta or less. It's 45 minutes from Birmingham, you know. And I love that area, and they're so thirsty to be involved, you know, that we have equal thirst. So everybody wants it to work and so it will, yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Amen. Dude, that's exciting, huh? It is, it is. Will you have your kind of your hand in on most of the projects kind of? Is that a weird question? That's kind of, it's kind of, it's kind of not necessary for how,

Starting point is 01:03:16 for how it's set up. It's set up in much of the way the grocery store is set up. So my job is just to make sure that all of the food that we sell in this grocery store belongs in this grocery store. You see what I'm saying? Is it a good quality?

Starting point is 01:03:35 Oh, we'll get it in there. The people will want to see that. Yeah, they'd love that. Yeah, the cherry plums. Yeah, they'd love that, you know? And once that is, once that barrier is crossed, then we're just trying to make the best project for you and to make your smaller budget be able to compete

Starting point is 01:03:59 with the larger budgets. Yeah, because comedy, you don't need the really big budget either. It just needs to be funny. Yeah. It needs to be funny. But it also can't be under budgeted though. See, it can't.

Starting point is 01:04:14 It's gotta be professional. Yeah, it cannot look cheap regardless, which means it can be, you know? And that goes to the equipment and to the lighting, and that's why you need hundreds of acres of space to be able to have all of what we're having. They're building an amphitheater, and we have sound stages, and a whole auditorium.

Starting point is 01:04:43 Hell yeah. Yeah, it's pretty nice. Instead of seeing if you have the cards, that's owning the deck really, you know? Like instead of waiting to get dealt the cards, that's like saying, we're gonna have, we're gonna, it's just saying you're gonna have, you're gonna make sure that things can happen.

Starting point is 01:05:02 It's like you having a podcast. It's like it's almost a no-brainer. Like it makes sense. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's something you know you can pull off. It's something that you know you're invested in.

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Starting point is 01:08:08 Yeah. Yep. Yeah, I'm a happy, happy man. Yeah, sometimes I thought, I've been thinking a lot about getting married, but I don't know if sometimes it's like an outside pressure that I feel, or if it's just like something I would like to have that family, you know?

Starting point is 01:08:29 Like that, you know, I think you always have like an idea of what a family is, you know? Yeah. So sometimes I feel like that's something I want to try to make happen, you know? It seemed like it would be a real challenge. I was scared of marriage, but I was scared of divorce. Like, my parents didn't get divorced, my parents are still together. Oh wow. So I never, I always felt like you only do this one time,

Starting point is 01:09:03 you know, and I was always more happy of the bullets I had dodged and the people that, well, I thought I would've married her, like I was ready to marry, you know what I mean? And then a little bit down the line. Yeah, then you'll see them years later, and you're like, oh. You're like, oh my God. So, yeah, happiness is what I'm after,

Starting point is 01:09:26 not titles or idealistic situations. Like I just want to provide happiness and be provided that as well. And if you can get that situation, regardless of what it's called. That's going to be nice. Yeah, maybe I get too stuck on the, yeah, maybe I sometimes do get too, like, feeling like I have to fill in the blanks as opposed to,

Starting point is 01:09:55 what do I really want to create? Right. You know? Like, or being like, what if I didn't get married? What would people think? You know, sometimes I'll get that stuck in my head. Yeah, but- I guess it's normal, but. Yeah, like I...

Starting point is 01:10:13 Yeah, I like, I don't... I would hate to be put in a situation where I have to cheat on somebody, you know what I mean? And I kind of feel like, what was the point? Yeah, yeah, I don't want to set myself up for, that's a good point too. I don't want to set myself up for a situation that would be uncomfortable for me, or I would hurt somebody else's feelings either.

Starting point is 01:10:35 Right. Yeah, that's something I would not enjoy. But remember, in your next life, you got a black woman coming. So things are gonna change. Oh lordy. Things are gonna change. It's gonna be something.

Starting point is 01:10:53 It's gonna be something. God. Right. Yeah, I'm gonna. Have you experienced a black woman? Yeah. Pretty much. I mean, I haven't dated just a black lady. She wasn't, she wasn't our best representative.

Starting point is 01:11:10 No, I mean, there's a cute black lady I met at the airport that I would, that if I see her again, I would, I think I would try to ask her out, but I haven't seen her again, but, but I would be open to dating a cool, cool black lady. Hold on, hold on, let's talk specifically about this one you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:11:28 Yeah, she just looked like really confident and nice smile and pretty eyes. And I was like, man, there's just something about her. Okay, all right. And she was where? That I admire, she was working at the airport. Working at the airport, that's. So she was a worker, she liked to work, she doesn't? That I admire. She was working at the airport. Working at the airport. So she was a worker.

Starting point is 01:11:46 She liked to work. She doesn't mind work. Hey, hey, they're beautiful. Which airport was this? This was at LAX. You bet it was. Yeah. So she was TSA approved too, you know?

Starting point is 01:11:59 Right, right. So yeah, if I see her again, I would try to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're seeing her again. Okay. We're seeing her again. Because you have this feeling already. You're only saying it like, well, you never know.

Starting point is 01:12:13 I might not see it. You're going to see her again. Absolutely, because we, yeah, you're gonna ask her out. Beautiful, fantastic. Oh, she might, no she's not watching. She might be watching. I don't know. She might be watching.

Starting point is 01:12:30 Do you do that, you put things like into, do you like, do that, like speak things into existence type of thing? I'm not powerful enough to do that, but I don't ignore things that I see in existence. but I don't ignore things that I see in existence. So what I'm saying is, I'm not going to ignore the fact that you're not saying abstract. You know, if I saw a black woman that did something for me,

Starting point is 01:13:01 I'd ask her out. No, you actively saw one. Yeah. Yeah, and this is recent. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's gonna be life changing.

Starting point is 01:13:15 Yeah? Yeah. Are black women a lot different, do you think? Yes. Yes, like, yes. Like, you know black guys, right? Black women are nothing like black guys. Like, I don't want to put so much pressure on this lady at the airport, but she doesn't know we've had this conversation.

Starting point is 01:13:46 No, magnificent creatures. Okay, in slavery, black women were appreciated. You understand how difficult that is? That's some hard shit to pull off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate you guys, but not all of you. Some of you are wonderful. Precious beings.

Starting point is 01:14:19 Yeah, yeah, that's, black women are almost unreal. Only because what it is that they possess, they don't, it's not on purpose. Like you know how we feel about people on the spectrum? Like. Oh yeah, they're magic. Right, the reverence that you and I have for that community, right?

Starting point is 01:14:48 You're gonna feel that with the black women. Wow. Like they're really where the word nurture comes from. You know what I mean? Like the ability to give you something as a man that you never had before or felt before and make it comfortable for you to access that. Like, no.

Starting point is 01:15:15 Really? Yeah, really life changed you. Yeah, man, cause I, yeah. That, yeah, this could be part of my 2025, man. It is. It clearly is. Right. Right. Right. We've said it. Yeah, this could be part of my 2025, man. It is. It clearly is, right. Right. Right, we've said it.

Starting point is 01:15:29 Here we are. We said it. Yeah, yeah. You had a lot of last year, it seemed like you had a lot of predictions last year. You kind of became this oracle last year. Did you feel that? That people came, you almost became kind of like this,

Starting point is 01:15:46 like a little bit of like a crystal ball, you know? I'm honored to get to say the things that I say when I'm saying them. And because you know that I operate from a positive first standpoint in all things like I assume that it's going to work out for the best and I understand that if it is for the worst then I'm prepared to handle that as well. But yeah, it was something. Did you start to worry any about your own safety and stuff?

Starting point is 01:16:34 Because it seemed like you really had some moments where you're kind of, you know, almost channeling truths into the world. And some people don't like that. Some people don't wanna, I mean, the dark side of things doesn't really probably enjoy that. Well, what it was that I was attempting to do was impossible. So before I do this interview, there is no Illuminati. It's just a joke.

Starting point is 01:17:11 It's just something that crazy people talk about. There's no such thing as our side and God's side. None of that is even real. I gotta come and make it real. I have to come and say no, no, no, no. Everybody's not the same. There, so that's why when I said that nobody came out and went, that's not true, I'm on God's side.

Starting point is 01:17:36 Like, none of them. I'm just, the conversation was to show that there are spiritual things going on in the world and that there are things that are bigger than just coincidence and that a ritual is something that you do over and over and over again a certain way. You see what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:18:03 If part of the ritual is wearing a dress, then we should be able to look through entertainment and see all of these people being made to wear a dress. That's what a ritual is, you know what I mean? Like, whether they're white or black, that doesn't matter. There's not other jobs where this is a requirement. Why is this so necessary? Yeah, you don't see the dog catcher show up every other year. I guess not a thing.

Starting point is 01:18:40 In a nice skirt or you don't see an electrician come up in a blouse every now and then. Right, I'm saying a lot of people that doubt what you say don't read and they haven't been readers, you know what I mean? Like books were my life literally. I thought that I could learn enough information to be an important person, you know what I mean? I never thought that I could learn enough information

Starting point is 01:19:09 to be an important person, you know what I mean? So I'm actively trying to eat information. Like, do you have a favorite book? No, no, no, no. Like, even when I said how many books I read, like, people are thinking maybe I'm reading 900 page, no, no, no, I'm reading 150, 200 page books and I'm reading as many of them as I can because I'm trying to earn these pizza parties

Starting point is 01:19:43 and these other weekly reader things that exist. My parents don't even celebrate holidays. I gotta get my own gifts, bitch. I'm finna read myself into the mansion. Into a t-shirt and a personal pan pizza, yeah, yeah. Right, so I got those books and then I got the ones I'm trying to learn from,

Starting point is 01:20:06 you know, and those are separate, but. What was your question? Do you have a first book that you remember reading? Like, or one that got read to you when you were a kid or something that you really liked? Like a book that set it off for you that was like, oh. I read the Bible first. That's 66 books.

Starting point is 01:20:29 So yeah, it kind of was my starting point in book reading. But it's not set up like a book technically. It's very disjointed. Right? So I found that everything else I read was a easy read. You know what I mean? Like I loved reading all of the classics

Starting point is 01:20:57 because I felt like I was literally in this story. You know what I mean? And I could read multiple books at once, and you know, I was completely enthralled with reading. Oh yeah. Yeah, just the idea of being able to take myself into a different place, you know? It was like, and it really, I mean,

Starting point is 01:21:24 words really just fuel for your imagination. It's like, that's how you would get your head going, you know? Right, but I didn't, I didn't want to use my imagination. I wanted this imagination. You see what I'm saying? Oh, you wanted the information.

Starting point is 01:21:39 I wanted to know what Huckleberry Finn, and I wanted to know what they were doing. Like, you know what I mean? Like I wanted the adventures, you know what I mean? Like I was reading everything. Nancy Drew mysteries, like every, like anything I could get my hands on the Hardy boys, like I'm, I'm reading that. And yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:09 So many different stories that you get, you start understanding what it takes to, for someone to be a winner in life. You know? And you find out from reading thousands of books that if you can list the fucked up things that have happened in your life and you can put that on a list

Starting point is 01:22:39 and you've somehow made it past all of this to be in a position where you can still go make some stuff happen, that's what you have in common with every hero of every story, of every autobiography, of every, is that, is how much happened to you that should have broke you that? Did not break you so that you were able to then fucking ride

Starting point is 01:23:15 Amen, amen Did y'all um Yeah, I'm trying to think of some of my favorite books when I was a kid. I don't even remember When I was a kid. I don't even remember when I was young. We're the Red Fern, bro. We had to read all kind of shit. They had one book, they kept killing this dog in it. I felt so bad for him. How many times can you kill a dog?

Starting point is 01:23:36 I mean, they kept that thing was fucking really dead. I don't remember that. I don't know who wrote that bitch, but I think Stephen King wrote it. But that bitch was dead, bro. After the second chapter, I said, this bitch is dead. I think I only read one book he ever did because I couldn't read his books without going, hey, dude, whoever writes like this is a demon like and then when he always had his picture on the back and he looked scary like Yeah, he looked like he owned a bunch of Ravens or something that dude yeah everybody he had one book then the animals was kept

Starting point is 01:24:18 Being alive and dead Edgar Allan Poe was He was a gangster Women to bring up bring up some of his ladies he had Edgar Allan Poe was a favorite of mine. He was a gangster too. So many of them were. Bring up some of his ladies he had. Edgar Allan Poe's girlfriend. He had a flock at the end. You know, I think he used to live in Virginia. You know that? Edgar Allan Poe, click on a couple of his dimes he had.

Starting point is 01:24:44 Look at these braws right here. Yeah. Just click on one of them. Damn. Edgar Allen Poe's bitches. Right there, baby. You tell him. Oh, Shorty won come on. He was a clear pedophile. She looks nine. Hey, run away. And it says, she died when she was 24. She had tuberculosis, boy, but before that- That's how he liked him.

Starting point is 01:25:18 That's how he liked him, boy. Oh, shit. Now she's cute. Oh, she- No, come on now Right there Frances, baby No, it's foster mother. Whatever Me out fire these were supposed to be his oh this is his family members Whatever we got yeah our research department now. What about right there, Virginia Clem, baby That's right. That's a girlfriend.

Starting point is 01:25:46 Right, and that was the, I'm saying, even today, that's heavy filters. That was her looking good at any age right there. That particular pose. Okay, I admit. You had to be a virgin to show that much neck. She was like, no one has ever. Yeah, pretty good.

Starting point is 01:26:14 But what about her though? Oh wow, let me see. Sarah Helen Whitman, a professional writer who met Edgar through the literary circles in New York. Valatio. Yeah. Otherworldly. That's the original Hawk tour.

Starting point is 01:26:29 Sarah Helen Whitman. She get those curls going. Oh, you're gonna love it. Bounce, bounce, bounce. Milk it, Sarah, milk it. She'll slurp you back to Saturn right there, man. Then just, wait a minute, why does Zuckerberg, are they, oh geez.

Starting point is 01:26:51 I don't know why they brought him up. You think you have genius here. Oh we have the new, yeah he has a new hair. Sarah Helen Zuckerberg. What do you think about a lot of these social media sites control and how people communicate? What do you think about that, Mike? You fear that kind of stuff?

Starting point is 01:27:14 If it exists, it will be controlled and regulated. That's just a fact. Whatever it is, that's the game. The game is to how quick can we get this new thing controlled and regulated, right? And we are counting on them to provide this platform that we use to communicate on, right? So, you know. So it's a trade-off. Always has been.

Starting point is 01:27:46 I'm saying the, if we understood that the internet itself is a government function, then how much privacy would you expect? Right. Right. At that point, we're called most the fools for pretending that we would still have it, privacy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:11 Right. I'm saying. Do you feel like in Hollywood that there are, I've heard you kind of allude to the fact that there's like kind of darker forces that kind of like, you know, that present opportunities to people in trade off, right? In trade for their own, maybe their own piece, maybe their own reality,

Starting point is 01:28:40 maybe a sacrifice of their actual direction that they want. Do you think that really happens, that kind of stuff? I think everything is controlled and regulated. You think there's ever ways where we can get to the control room and see who's controlling it, or you think that's all? We're past that. We're past that. We don't protect the whistleblower, right? We don't honor the scout that would tell us who it is. Matter of fact, when they get him,

Starting point is 01:29:46 we're gonna go, oh, I could have told you that was gonna happen, they're telling too much truth. Do you think Hollywood has a lot of things that they hold against people? Like I had a theory that a lot of this is human nature. Right, so it's not even Hollywood, it's just human nature. It starts as human nature. Right.

Starting point is 01:30:04 Like I'm saying these things that I'm saying in Hollywood exist in religion circles, in politics, in the medical profession and like yeah. In any circle of business really. Yeah. Yeah. In any circle of business really. Yeah. They had a big bust with Puff Daddy where he got arrested and then they've had like accusations and stuff. He hasn't gone on trial, I don't think yet, but do you think that they, there's been speculation

Starting point is 01:30:40 that they did that because they, the timing of that was they wanted to use other people that have allegedly been involved in some of his circles to, they wanted to kind of use like, okay, you could be next unless you help this political plan. Do you think that's at all possible? That's how all cases are handled. Yeah. Right? So what am I saying?

Starting point is 01:31:11 I'm saying if it's car theft and we're going to accuse you of in people that we caught who were robbing cars, who said that you was the boss, they're first in line. And then we're going to bring in victims, the people whose cars you stole and said, yeah, that was him. That's how they build a case. So none of that should be shocking. You don't put it past them? It's part of what an investigation is. But do you feel like they would say to someone,

Starting point is 01:32:00 okay, we're gonna bring you in unless? Absolutely, that's what they do. Yeah. Yeah. Even like in the rap world, like all of the rappers that you know that never been to jail and never, never gotten any trouble with the law, but they talk as if their life is opposite of that.

Starting point is 01:32:24 Like those are federal informants. You think they're really out there? Yeah. That's part of the job is to acquire those. It's like saying, if you're playing chess, do you have any pawns? You have to, don't you? You can't start without them.

Starting point is 01:32:47 Right. Right. Wow. Man, so how do you know who is, that's part of the game, huh? You don't know. It's part of the game. Yeah, it kind of makes it exciting too when you think about it.

Starting point is 01:33:07 It can be exciting and depressing. Did you ever do a rap album? Yep. You did? Several. I didn't know that. I'm sorry, man. I didn't research that. No problem. I didn't put that, I'm sorry man, I didn't research that. No problem, I didn't put them out. Oh.

Starting point is 01:33:28 You asked me did I do them. Oh yeah. Did you have some collabs on them with anybody? Did somebody help you produce some stuff? Master P, maybe anything like that? Sure, he would be honored that of all people you name dropped him. I'm just thinking of somebody from Louisiana. Right. What a blessing. When I was in college, they had, it was like Master, it was like silk the shocker, like that whole cabal was really, really vibing,

Starting point is 01:34:03 right? Yes. So they used to have, they would all come to LSU and play at the basketball courts. And they would have these guys who would stand on the side and hold their clothes. And they were dressed like kind of native Americans, like almost like black Indians kind of. And someone would have on like little head dresses and stuff. And they would have them all holding their clothes

Starting point is 01:34:22 and shoes on the side of the court. It was a vibe, man. Yeah, all through that period of time, that whole No Limit empire was really, really magnificent to the fan base. They really went to places where people wanted to really went to places where people wanted to see them and delivered a show like we weren't used to because there were so many acts. Yeah, they had a lot of the whole group. You know what I mean? Like there was— They had—

Starting point is 01:34:57 They all came together and like put on a show that was just unbelievable in all venues. It was extraordinary to watch. Did you ever tour with a rap? Did you ever, because sometimes you'll have like musicians and rappers, or musicians and comedians tour together? Yeah. You have? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 01:35:22 I just didn't know if some people like that, some people don't. Yeah, I have Lil Mo on, has been on our tour probably for the last three or four years. And the Lady of Rage as well comes out. Music is a wonderful partner to comedy, you know? And we try to use that music and comedy art interspersed in my life, so it's always a part of my set.

Starting point is 01:35:53 And yeah, I'm a huge music fan. Are you all instrumentalists? You play anything? No, no. No, I play nothing, and I cannot sing. Can't sing,? You play anything? No, no. No, I play nothing and I cannot sing. Can't sing, can't play anything, which makes me one of the greatest music listeners. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:36:15 Like that's what I, and I like immerse myself. You know, like there's like albums that represent like whole periods of my life. You know what I mean? Like, that album Counting Crows, August and everything. Oh yeah, everything after. Done up in New Amsterdam. Like I know every song, every beat, every word,

Starting point is 01:36:46 like because of where I was at the time and then Pearl Jam's. Yeah. Tin. At home drawing pictures of mountaintops. Yeah. With him on top. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:37:04 Because I was listening to stuff that it made me feel like, like they're really singing about me. Like- How I think or feel some moment. All of it, like, yeah. Remember Shy, remember that group came out? And if I ever fall, remember them? I can't sing either.

Starting point is 01:37:25 I do. You did pretty good. Thank you, bro. Appreciate that. They would be proud. They were good, bro. They were. They were good. But that was a great time for music. It was. Of all genres. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:37:37 Like, good music was just good music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember one of them, I'm trying to think of one of the firsts. Oh, I went to a- Shy. Green the first, oh, I went to a guy. Shy. Green day. You're gonna make a great black guy.

Starting point is 01:37:49 Oh yeah, and they had Tevin Campbell, remember him? Can we talk? Right. For a minute. Tevin Campbell. Girl, I want to know your name. I'm like, fuck it, just go talk to her then. No, like, tell the truth.

Starting point is 01:38:08 When we saw him and we heard the song, we were like, are you sure you want to talk to her? Yeah. You don't wonder you're so trepidatious. That's true. That's true, that's true, that's true. He really had a different. Right. The sequel to that song was a surprise. We'll just say like that, man, the sequel was a surprise.

Starting point is 01:38:41 That was a good time though. That was a good time. It was a good time. When was that a good time. It was a good time. When was that? That was late 90s I think. Did you ever get to meet Michael Jackson before? No, I got to meet Prince. You did?

Starting point is 01:38:56 Did you ever get to go bike riding with him or anything like that? Who was that? Prince. I think bike riding may have been the only thing we'd, yeah, no, no, no, he wasn't doing bike riding. He had had an experience, let's see, so when I meet him, I'm 12, I guess he's 18, 19. Oh, you met him when you were 12?

Starting point is 01:39:24 Yeah, I knew him, I knew him my whole, I'm saying from 12 till he left, that was, I knew him the whole time. Like, yeah, he was a magnificent, one of a kind individual. Like, I got to, he, a one of a kind individual. Like I got to, he lived different lives. Like he wasn't where we are and we're talking about how we need to, you know,

Starting point is 01:39:58 reinvent and he was like the master at that. You know what I mean? And he was like the master at that. You know what I mean? Like he was only going to be this version of himself for a very short amount of time until he had mastered it and then he was gonna go to something else. And he always had that energy, huh? Yeah, from that, yeah.

Starting point is 01:40:23 Yeah, he that, yeah. Yeah, he was, yeah, but when I met him, he was already a millionaire, and so I couldn't initially understand what kept driving him, you know? Because it just seemed to me like he was never happy, because every time I would see him, he had achieved like 30 new things and had purchased like a hundred new things

Starting point is 01:40:51 and still yet he was working like he didn't, you know? And I probably was just not understanding what work ethic was, you know? But yeah, I learned a lot from that guy. I met Shaq when I was 16. Damn, where at you think? Nowhere, in Orlando, his rookie year. Yeah, cause he played at LSU, man.

Starting point is 01:41:19 Yeah, great guy. Great guy. B. Shaq. Yeah, right. Yeah, great guy. Great guy. Be shagged. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:28 Dude, if I was that big, I couldn't get my big ass out of bed at that size, man. It'd be so hard to, you know, because some of this is kind of harder even a regular size to get up. I don't believe that. Dude, you know how hard it is to get a big old, look at it right there.

Starting point is 01:41:44 It's so hard to get up when you big. I watch my aunt get up sometimes like, she ain't gon' get up. You know what I'm talking about? You ever see somebody, and you're like, she ain't gon' get up. That's when, and they figure it out. When all of the places were catching on fire,

Starting point is 01:42:04 that was my first thought was like, nobody on my 600 pound life is gonna make it out of none of this. Like what, like. Yeah, that show was over, bro. Like there's a whole portion of the population that can't get up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:26 Like everybody's like, evacuate. Somebody just shit in the bed. I did. I did evacuate. They evacuated, they just looked the other way. That's their evacuate. Just lean away from the warm. that is look the other way, that's their evacuate. Just lean away from the warm. Flip the pillow.

Starting point is 01:42:58 Did you, what did you and Prince do? Did y'all ever go out to eat or nothing? Like what did he like to do? Because he's just. No, so like, you know how some people have chefs? Like, he was beyond that. Like, he wanted, he wanted a chef to know

Starting point is 01:43:23 what he was preparing. Like, I don't know how to explain it, a chef to know what he was preparing. I don't know how to explain it, but he wasn't vegan the whole time I knew him. He was just vegan for this portion. But before that, he had a whole different thing. But he would have an Italian chef to make Italian when that's what he was having. And he like to the extreme.

Starting point is 01:43:51 He was extreme. Right. Yeah. So, you know, you would get the most beautiful meals around this dude because he was a foodie, so you know. Damn, I'd love to watch him eat a little snack or something, little creme brulee or a little big scoop ice cream. I'd love to see that. Because he was kind of smaller, wasn't he? I'm 5'5", so it never really factored in. Oh, you're bigger than him, I think.

Starting point is 01:44:24 Yeah, but I'm saying I wasn't gazing at him while he was eating. Oh, yeah, sorry. Yeah, we always had enough women around for him. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wasn't there in a longing fashion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:44 Yeah, sorry, tell me about this yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Watch a small person, if they get up against a real hard scoop of ice cream, they fucking can't handle that bitch, you know? No, no. No, I didn't get it. Yeah. Rewind that again. Somehow I missed that, and I can't accept it.

Starting point is 01:45:02 No, no, I just, sometimes if somebody, you know, I know like if I get up, if it's a real cold scoop of ice cream and it's hard to get with a spoon or something, I just imagine like a smaller guy battling that, battling that bitch, bro, just, I can't. Oh, shit. So that's what I envision. I wanted you toledge how funny that

Starting point is 01:45:28 Vision in my head Prince just got two or three spoons going on that big he gonna get in there You probably would have in blessings man, I know to pull him off Man, he's a purple superhero and he is the king, man. In real life, yeah. I'm just joking, Prince, if your spirit is here. I'm sure it is somewhere. It is indeed, yeah. And he had a great sense of humor. Oh, I saw him stop in.

Starting point is 01:45:58 I was in Minneapolis. They used to have this place called... And he got more pussy than you. Did he? Oh yeah, of course he did. What the fuck am I talking about? Yeah, it took me half a second to realize that. Yeah, of course he did. Damn, boy.

Starting point is 01:46:14 Yeah. Well, no, they had a place, though, that he would go perform sometimes on a certain night. It was in Minneapolis, and a lot of musicians would just show up, and one night he showed up there, man, and it was amazing. It was just random people would get together and play, but.

Starting point is 01:46:27 No, he loved that probably more than anything else. Like, he loved that more than touring. He loved that more than anything is jam sessions. And he had places all over the globe and he was welcomed. I'm saying you're talking about a guy that played 26 instruments. Do you feel what I'm saying? Like we're talking about a guy that like most people... Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:03 Just magical, huh? Yeah. If you could learn from what he did, then you just pass learning. You know what I mean? Like the shit resonates regardless of what it is you're trying to do. And so yeah, I was blessed to. Even be around him, huh? Yeah, yeah, just to be able to witness a short, young black guy, navigate the highest echelons of entertainment and still be

Starting point is 01:47:45 of entertainment and still be holding on to things that he doesn't do and won't do. And still feeling like he needs to look out for other musicians and other artists and still trying not to bring shame on his fans or other black people or music lovers or just a wonderful human. That's what you can learn. Shit, now I feel bad about making that joke,

Starting point is 01:48:25 but I feel okay still. I mean, I feel, it's okay. I'm just joking. Yeah. Um, yeah. But did, um, when you were growing up, did you ever have like a TV, like a TV father kind of, you know, like I had, like, I'm trying to think of like,

Starting point is 01:48:43 just trying to think of like influences that you had when you were young. Like I had like Little House on the Prairie was a show I would watch that they had Michael Landon was on it. And then they had like in the heat of the night, I really liked that show. Now, wait a minute. I'm trying.

Starting point is 01:49:00 Who was the father figure on in the heat of the night? Oh, they had. Was the black guy your father figure? Who, Virgil Tibbs? Virgil Tibbs was it? Yeah, probably, he was good. I will tell you this, I met his wife at a, or not his wife, but. The lady that played it?

Starting point is 01:49:16 Yes, that's her right there. Virgil and Sophia was his wife in the show, I think. She was way smaller than you thought, right? She was very beautiful. And I saw her at a breakfast place, and I was like, I cannot go She was way smaller than you thought, right? She was very beautiful. And I saw her at a breakfast place, and I was like, I cannot go back in there and tell her. And I did. And it was, I think she kind of appreciated it,

Starting point is 01:49:32 but it was still pretty awkward, I think. But she's very beautiful. But yeah, I liked Tim. And Carol O'Connor was in it. But, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat,

Starting point is 01:49:42 in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, in the heat, Little hee hee hee, I love my hee hee. Right, that shit was good, I love that. What else did I like? Trying to think of a show where I had like a TV dad. Did you have like a TV family or someone that you kind of liked?

Starting point is 01:49:55 As a black man, I had a real father, so I wasn't looking at TV for the images of a real good black father because I had one. You know what I mean? So for me it was a little interesting just to see how other fathers were portrayed. You know? And I more enjoyed seeing the dynamics of other families and how things went for them because that's the only way that I knew, oh, I don't have that type of upbringing at all.

Starting point is 01:50:46 Wow, that's, yeah, yeah. I didn't even know my mother was supposed to love me. Like, I didn't know that was. Yeah, yeah, sorry to laugh, man, but yeah. She's never kissed me in my life. I didn't know she was supposed to like me. Like I said, she made sure I ate, but. I had clean clothes, but I'm saying I didn't.

Starting point is 01:51:17 Yeah, it would have been shocking if I, my mom was always working. I would be like, mom, tell me you love me. And she'd be like, I gotta move this box over here. That's what she would be like. I'm like, mom, how do you feel about me? She's like, oh, we gotta put all these boxes away. She always had something to do, you know?

Starting point is 01:51:36 Like if a feeling came up, my mom just couldn't have it. No, I love you, mom. I'm just, it's funny. Now it's funny. Right, but now you can. Yeah, it's funny now. It's funny right, but now you can Like mom, how do you feel about me? She's like we got to get this car to start Right Yeah, that was it. That's what I think, that's what I always was looking for for me.

Starting point is 01:52:08 But these are the things that guarantee success. That's what I'm telling you. It's part of what's on that list that, you know, you've got certain things against you. You're gonna be successful. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna be successful. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna be in a position

Starting point is 01:52:29 where you can rectify things. You know that you're way more appreciative of love because of that. You're in a position where you can still be loved, you know, by the black lady at the airport. Yeah. 2025. My little layover lady.

Starting point is 01:52:59 That's what I'm calling my little layover. I've seen, this is something that I thought, there's only two things that I think that I've seen and I'm calling my little layover. I've seen, this is something that I thought, there's only two things that I think that I've seen and I'm not sure. One of them was that Santa Claus, when I was a kid, that they brought us outside and they had a real sleigh go by in the air. It was an airplane that they disguised as a sleigh

Starting point is 01:53:16 in our town. The second one is, I thought I saw you riding bikes down Sunset Boulevard. Right, so now, the funniest part of all of that true story is because all of your stories are true right but the whole thing is when you're telling this story we ride by on these bikes with lights on them yeah like from the future circus members. Really, this is a million and a half dollars worth of can am spiders. Eight of them.

Starting point is 01:53:54 Two hundred thousand apiece. Me and should go down. Oh, yeah. I didn't see those. And I'm sorry. I saw some just those, man. I'm sorry. I saw some bitches. Somebody covered them bitches. Cat Williams came by with a Shetland pony. He had neon lights on the hooves. Somebody spray painted silly string on the back of his head. With a violin.

Starting point is 01:54:20 Stop playing it. Do you believe in life after you have? Yeah, I swear to God, I'm standing on the porch. I look over there. Right. And you had done one of those things where you stand up, but keep, you know what I'm saying, is just, you know, when you're riding down the street. I'm 5'5", so I do that better than most.

Starting point is 01:54:39 Okay. And I said, damn, there he goes, bro. Right. And by the time I get there he goes, bro. And by the time I get anybody's attention, nobody believed me. So that's why I think it had a lot of that same, like when you saw Santa, you know, type of energy. Well, understand, I didn't take away from the myth.

Starting point is 01:54:55 I just clarified. Yeah. No, good. Cause I thought I was crazy for thinking that. Right. What do you see happening in 2025, Kat? This is where we get to where like, what do you feel like? What do you feel like are things we can look forward to? Things we can stay conscious of? Can I bum another cigarette by chance, man? You got a nice charron? Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:55:21 Let's do it. Yeah, so. Let me get that bitch, get my lungs up. We're already in 2025, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. So... You right already. Yeah. See there?

Starting point is 01:55:34 So the whole thing is we're not... This thing does not happen in yearly cycles. Like, it's not a every 12 months thing. It's not how it works. So the age of truth is not one year. It's the beginning of people having more of a thirst for what is true than an appetite for lies. So if you sell lies, it's a harder road for you. If you have truths to tell, people are hungry for that and they'll

Starting point is 01:56:19 pay you handsomely to hear the truth. Wasn't always that way. It's that way right now in real time. Whatever that means to you, that's the battle that's going on is people who profit from the manipulation of others by getting you to believe something that's not the case. And that's how they make their living. And it is now a difficult time for those entities.

Starting point is 01:56:56 Do you think that there is actual cloning going on? We have, we know that there's actual cloning going on. The question I believe you're asking is human cloning. Oh yes sir. But let's start with the real question. The real question is, is cloning going on? Yeah, it is. I knew it.

Starting point is 01:57:20 Well I'm saying, let's just say animal cloning. Oh yes. Let's start there animal cloning. Oh, yes. Let's start there. That's not a myth or... No, that's been known. That's not a conspiracy theory that we are at the point where we have no problem cloning animals. If you lose a pet, you can send away to these companies and they will... They'll fucking remix that bitch and send it back.

Starting point is 01:57:46 Right. Yeah. As close a proximity as you can imagine. Yeah. Right, that we know is possible. Okay, so now. You're viagen pets right there. So that's in the animal world.

Starting point is 01:58:02 So now in the human world, we know that there are multiple surgeries that we know we can replace this with that. All the way up to, what's our last achievement? Heart? The guy passed away with a pig heart. But it worked for, I'm saying. Let me see that, bring up that pig hearted guy.

Starting point is 01:58:36 Right there. Yeah. Two people have received a genetically modified pig heart transplant, David Bennett and Lawrence Fauset. Both were performed in Maryland. So, there's not, the evidence is there, very much left on what it would take as far as abilities go.

Starting point is 01:59:08 So. Do you think there's any artists now that you think are not the same artists that we thought they were? If we're only speaking of biology, I've heard that a man's G-spot is in his anal passage, which means I'm gonna go my whole life without ever experiencing it. Yeah. By the same token,

Starting point is 01:59:44 everybody is a reflection of what they got to go through to get to where they at, right? And I just know that the people that have been in positions where they decided to do some stuff that they said they weren't gonna do, they don't be the same on the other side. Nothing they can do can make them seem like what you remember them as. Have you ever- I call it spiritual, because I don't know what else to call it.

Starting point is 02:00:21 Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever faced that in your own life where people try to come at you for offers like that? Do you think that stars get offered that kind of thing? Like to compromise themselves sexually for entertainment? Again, the things that we are discussing exist in each of the fields. Right, any field. Right, right. Not entertainment exclusively. Politics, religion, society, everywhere, right? Some of this is human nature, right?

Starting point is 02:01:10 Because we listen and we don't judge. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were there things that you didn't take in your career that you feel like were, like are there things to look out for do you feel like? There wasn't for me because I knew I wasn't gonna take it

Starting point is 02:01:32 but I did wanna get offered. Yeah. You know what I mean? And most of the stuff I wouldn't have believed until I had to get to a certain level to get to see the proof, you know what I mean? So I was as shocked as anybody about how powerful Harvey Weinstein was at the time that I was meeting with him and how he could not be told no, that he get whatever he want, you follow what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:02:11 That they'll figure out some way. Right, so I thought that didn't apply to me because I don't care about nothing but bitches and good business, right? And then he offered me two actresses like they was playing cards. And I was like, what? Like he just jelted at me.

Starting point is 02:02:32 He was like, I know you. Damn. Right. Like what? Some aces. No, my personal aces. Yeah. Did you think about it? No, my personal Asus. Yeah. Did you think about it?

Starting point is 02:02:49 Look, I'm not in these scary situations. I don't even leave it up to me. Like I'm going to do what the superhero would do in this part of the movie regardless and and deal with what happens after, yeah. Just because it's a story, and I know it's a story. It's my story, you know what I mean? So I can't... That's a good way to think about things in general. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:19 What would the superhero do right now? Yeah, yeah, because I'm saying, I read about Jesus getting to the mountain top and the devil saying, you can have all of this, and him saying, you don't have anything to offer me. Like, you know what I mean? So that's what I got to look up to. So I'm gonna follow suit in the best version I can,

Starting point is 02:03:44 regardless of anything else. Do you have a comedian that passed away that you really like, that you miss a lot? I mean, I know there's been a lot of them. But did you have like a real scary say, I miss so many. Did you have like a real? Because as Gary said, I miss so many. Did you have like a brother in comedy? Like I miss so many. Like what was Bernie Mac like?

Starting point is 02:04:12 Was he a super guy? Oh my God. Because I've never seen anybody like him. That's a great place to start. No, you never saw anybody like him just because there wasn't anybody like him. You know what I mean? Like the things people pretend to do and talk themselves up to be and he was that already.

Starting point is 02:04:43 Yeah, I I went down to his show when he was taping and they were saying he wasn't feeling good and I left there feeling like they're murdering this dude. Like he had a lung problem, right? And the doctors told him that he just had to take time away from the show and he could come back when he was okay, right? And his contract wouldn't let him. Oh yeah. And they made him work through like, yeah. And they made him work through like, yeah.

Starting point is 02:05:31 Yeah, but I miss all of the comedy angels that I came in contact with from Charlie Murphy to Heavy D. I miss Heavy D, John Witherspoon. You know, like, we lost some really great comics. I miss Reynaldo Ray. I miss, yeah, it's been a lot. Bring up a picture of Reynaldo Ray. I'm just not familiar with him. Just so I can see what he looks like.

Starting point is 02:06:04 Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm not familiar with him, just so I can see what he looks like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Didn't he play in the Cosby show? Was he the grandfather? He was a brilliant, brilliant individual. He had multiple master's degrees and was an art collector and a real legendary guy. Reneal.

Starting point is 02:06:33 Oh, yeah. Yeah. What other? What about Bill Cosby? Did you ever get to meet him or not? Before he had all the problems? before you had all the problems? Is being a rapist one of the problems? Oh, sorry.

Starting point is 02:06:56 You said it like, before he got scurvy? Sorry, bro. That was, yeah, that was, yeah, I did. But yeah, what was he like before that happened? Right, right. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. He comedically, like he has some works comedically that you could put up there in the pantheon of joke telling. Oh yeah, he had so many albums when I was a kid

Starting point is 02:07:39 that like our parents would play in the car, stuff like that. Right, and he spent a good portion of his televised career really making black men and black families look really good in a time when that was not a popular thing to do. None of that supersedes rapist. But, yeah, I was glad to not be a fan of his,

Starting point is 02:08:14 just because, you know. We liked Richard Pryor, and you had to kind of like, which way are you? Are you Richard Pryor, Red Fox, Fox or you Bill Cosby? Yeah Yeah, yeah, that's that's definitely different than um What else is going on, please don't have our Kelly question, I do not have an R Kelly question, you know No, I don't did you ever did you get to go to Bernie Mac's funeral? Did he have a big funeral? Steve Harvey was at his funeral, so I wouldn't have been there anyway.

Starting point is 02:08:56 I didn't know that. What else? I'll be able to tell you when you're when you're black. Yeah. What else? I'll be able to tell you when you're black. Okay. Okay. I feel like I'm not doing that good right now on it. You're doing great. Okay.

Starting point is 02:09:16 What do you mean? Thanks man. Did you get, was it scary for you to be a parent whenever you decided you wanted to be a parent? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of those things where just only looking back that you realize, oh, I was not in any way qualified for that job.

Starting point is 02:09:41 Like, you know, but you try so hard, you know? And it means everything, but... Yeah, it's... It's exciting and scary. Like, you can't... So you don't have any kids. No, I want to get, I would like to have some children. Well, if you have one child, you're not gonna,

Starting point is 02:10:17 you're not gonna have the drug issue to deal with ever again. Really? Yeah, because it's going to, you can't do them both. Right. You can't do them both. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:10:37 And if you- As soon as you have, and it doesn't matter how you get this child. Okay. The second you become a father and this life is dependent upon you, like you're gonna devote everything to that and you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to.

Starting point is 02:11:00 Because only somebody with your experiences will be able to deal with not being able to sleep for like two months. You know what I mean? Just on this baby's schedule that has no schedule except, yeah, it's crazy. Life changing doesn't even say the half of it But you know you have pets

Starting point is 02:11:30 See this is the thing yeah Right. I'm gonna get started this this is what's keeping you able to be in this world is because you've not given yourself a life Responsibility, you see I'm saying? I agree. I think that's why I became a community because I didn't want any responsibilities really. Right, right. In a lot of ways.

Starting point is 02:11:51 Right. I think it's a big part of me that starts to feel like, yeah, I'm missing out if I don't. I'm probably missing out, but I just want to know, I want to have every experience I can, you know? Right, right. And you can, yeah. And this is the vehicle for that.

Starting point is 02:12:05 You know what I mean? That's, what a coincidence that all your life will line up for you to want to do that. And then to meet a girl at the airport that already loves to fly and travel and make sure I don't have any illegal substances on me too at the same time. Just because you're not going to need them. Are you a pet owner?

Starting point is 02:12:32 Are you a big pet owner, man? I've heard that you got some animals over there. Yeah, I love the animals. I've heard you got a couple horses, things like that. They're great. Yeah. Ducks. I got... How many ducks do you have, Kat?

Starting point is 02:12:48 Between 19 and 21. I just say that because a couple were there when I first got the place and they never left, right? So they're there, but everybody else, we raise from eggs, you know, that you go down to to what's the name of that place? Tractor supply Oh tractor supply. Yeah, you go to tractor supply and oh And the feed and seed shop you do that, right you do the incubators. So yeah, so it's beautiful cuz they're all black Really? Yeah, we need more of that. We need everybody.

Starting point is 02:13:26 Diversity in the Duck War. Oh, hell yeah, dog. I'm sick of seeing these fucking swans, bro. These rich ass long neck motherfuckers, bro. No, we have geese too. But I'm just saying we need some fucking bangers in there, dog. You know, we need some dark ducks in this bitch. Yeah. Yeah are some Bring up a couple of black ducks, man

Starting point is 02:13:48 I would love to see those right now because I'm used to seeing mallards I've seen for sure But I've never seen some really good Darker duck. So that's a beautiful one right there None of these are black. Oh, sorry. We'll get one but no get one. Yeah. There we go or black ducks. Oh, sorry. Well, get one. But no, get one of them all. Okay, yeah, there we go.

Starting point is 02:14:05 Oh, there we go. That western black. That western black. That's an all black duck. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. But mine are. Oh, that's fucking Mallard Luther King right there, bro.

Starting point is 02:14:16 That thing dark as hell, dude. Sorry, bro. You know, make a great black guy. Mallard Luther King. That could be his name. And that is actually a beautiful name for a duck. For that duck specifically. It is.

Starting point is 02:14:35 Mallard Luther the King. Yes. Do you think, some people think that guys like Martin Luther King were compromised by the CIA. Do you ever believe stuff like that? Well, this kind of goes back to... Like there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff about that. Somebody says it's a conspiracy,

Starting point is 02:15:00 but that doesn't make it the case. In both of these cases that we've had these conversations, we are talking about the FBI and the CIA. So what do you think they do? So maybe we're unclear about what we think these agencies do. So now the question becomes, hey, do you think they'd be doing their job these agencies do. So now the question becomes, hey, do you think they be doing their job? I do.

Starting point is 02:15:29 I do think they be doing their job. You mean all through history? Yes. Yes, I think they keep on doing their job. You think they get everybody? I think they get everybody. So again, not conspiracy theory at all. I'm saying the only way that there could be a FBI file

Starting point is 02:15:56 for us to be able to get 30 years after his death is if there's a FBI file, correct? Right, right, right. Damn, bro. Nobody could trust anybody. That's a scary part to me sometimes. The Bible said, do not put your trust in men. It's pretty specific.

Starting point is 02:16:24 Why? Because everybody can be compromised except you. Yeah. If you don't believe in God, then it's pretty messed up because now you only got you to believe in. But if you got you and God, you can believe in both of those. You can have peace then. Do you, have you had times in your life

Starting point is 02:16:48 where you struggled having God in your life? Or what's that been like for you? No. Do you have a practice that you use kind of to like, like one of my goals this year is to have more God in my life, right? So for me, I'm just using like more times where I stop and pray, like even sometimes moments of my head will pop, I'm just using more times where I stop and pray.

Starting point is 02:17:05 Even sometimes moments of my head will pop in, like you should hit your knees right now and pray. And sometimes I just don't do those. I just go and keep doing it about my day. But now when those hit me, I'm trying to just make sure I do that. Just like, because it's like an intuition that I have, you know, just because I want to have a stronger practice.

Starting point is 02:17:21 And understand, it's, the reason that it's special is because only you're gonna know that it's working, right? There's gonna be no evidence other than the evidence, but you're gonna know that, like I talk to God five and six times a day. He has an accurate account of how I'm feeling about everything, how I think things are going,

Starting point is 02:18:03 what I feel like I'm doing good at, what I feel like I'm doing good at, what I feel like I need help with. These are our conversations. So, I don't wonder why stuff gets moved out of my way because I asked for things to be moved out of my way. You asked earlier, aren't you scared? Like I'm not allowed to be scared because I'm not counting on me.

Starting point is 02:18:34 Like you can't fuck me up because you're not allowed to fuck me up. And I've been in enough situations to know that he ain't let me down yet. Like every time I needed his safety, it was there. And will be. And the more times you communicate, the better the relationship is.

Starting point is 02:19:03 And then you'll find that that works with the black girl from the airport too. Like communication is key. Yeah. Oh Lord, man. Literally, huh? You perfect when you don't even try. Oh Lord, man. Literally, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You perfect when you don't even try.

Starting point is 02:19:29 Bam. I've heard you say that you feel like we're about to enter like a golden era. What do you mean kind of by that? Like what are, or what feelings do you have about that? And what can we look forward to? I was just trying to be super positive at the time.

Starting point is 02:20:03 I wasn't trying to be actually accurate with the question. Okay. The question was asked, I think, almost on New Year's or something like that, or Christmas, something like that. It was pretty close to the top of the year, so I didn't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable or awkward. But the

Starting point is 02:20:34 Bible has a book called Revelations, right? And it gives you this little metaphorical rundown of how things should go. Bring it up real quick, a Revelations. We can get a look at it. There we go. Book of Revelation or Book of the Apocalypse, the final book of the New Testament. Correct.

Starting point is 02:21:17 So now, it talks about the things that will happen in what is called the last days, right? Before the second coming of Jesus, right? Because my whole life I was just trying to figure out like, whatever it would take for Jesus to come back, why aren't all of the people around the world Whatever it would take for Jesus to come back, why aren't all of the people around the world that love Jesus, why aren't they making sure that happens? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:21:53 So he would come back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like Santa, they leave milk and cookies out, you know what I'm saying? You think we would fucking leave out a couple of freaking- We're willing to go buy the presents ourselves and say you delivered them.

Starting point is 02:22:07 Put some sacred snacks out for him or something. Right, so, you know, it just tells a story of the little key things that will happen that you can look forward to before things get there, right? And so it talks about things like all of the nations will have to come together and make a group called the United Nations, you know? And this was written way back then,

Starting point is 02:22:44 and we have a United Nations now. Yeah. And it talks about there being wars and reports of wars in multiple places and it gives us a little guideline just to, you know, what may be happening in the future. Like whenever Jesus comes back, where do you think it'll be at? Well, the Bible is generally pretty specific about places generally. So, like it talks about Armageddon, right? And there's this actual valley of Armaged—I'm going to mispronounce it, but Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon, Armageddon,

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Starting point is 02:24:18 Oh, wow. And there's a lot of war going on right there, right now. Correct. So, TBD, huh? And there's a lot of war going on right there right now correct So so TBD, huh? What are some of the other animals that you have there I have heard that you have horses over there Is that a truth is that true cut that you have some horses over there? I? Want the donkeys are the stars over there. Yeah, we got a lot of yeah, we have cows many cows

Starting point is 02:24:49 Those are the best kind many cows and how big are they? I'll eat pig up probably about to right there a mini cow. Yeah, but bring up a mini cow real quick I want to see one of them. They're beautiful, too. I have my sister as a picker picture of a couple of them at her house Beautiful. Yeah, if a picture of a couple of them at her house. Beautiful. Yeah, if we can find a white one, that'll be like Cash. That's your name Cash? Uh-huh. Oh, that's cool.

Starting point is 02:25:15 Wow. Are those milkable? He's a boy, so I don't need to... Oh, damn well, yeah. Not it. Right. Oh, damn well, yeah. I'm not it. Right. Yeah. Oh, look at that. So, you know, the blessing, he doesn't,

Starting point is 02:25:31 he has no idea he's many. Oh, I see. Yeah, ours is bigger than that, but yeah. The beautiful little one right there. Yeah, they're really fun. And do you name, that one's named Cash, and what other name do you have for these animals? Well, all the animals, all the animals have names,

Starting point is 02:25:54 except animals that might be delicious. that might be delicious. Like, like I, goat is like my favorite meat, I think. And so we have quite a few, you know. And you eat goat. Not Billy, he's the king of all the goats, right, right. But you have a little bit of goat. How much goat are you having monthly, you think? Weekly.

Starting point is 02:26:27 Oh, okay. So, Cat got him a little bit of money if he having that weekly goat meal, you know that, boy? I'm a cannibal, you know. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Goat eat goat. Hey, man, goats eat goat. Right, I love that.

Starting point is 02:26:46 He's making a little money. Sorry. I'm just trying to think. I think sometimes I was just so nervous about who you are, because you seem like such a like, you almost seem like something that came down off of Mount Rushmore to spend time with us today. So I think that's like the mystique about you.

Starting point is 02:27:05 So I think sometimes I don't know when it's like, okay to joke around and stuff, you know? So you just try and figure it out as you go, you know? I hope that that is not correct and you're just saying that because it is always okay to joke around me. Now I appreciate that. I definitely feel that for sure more than other interviews.

Starting point is 02:27:28 I'm trying to think of what else I want to ask you about. This is the best picture I ever got about it. Someone sent this and they said, this is, Cat Williams talking to Cam Newton, somebody said. Right. And that's what I'm thinking, man. Yeah, because here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Starting point is 02:27:56 Everything, yeah, we know that stupid picture of me. Thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, gotcha. Oh, I didn't even see that. Can we take that down? That's unbelievable. Very racist. You see how I became racist to me? Yeah. No, gotcha. Oh, I didn't even see that. Can we take that down? That's unbelievable. Very racist. You see how I became racist to meet him.

Starting point is 02:28:07 Yeah. No, but here's the facts. The facts are, you know, everything we know about history, we know because of artifacts, things that were left behind. You know what I mean? And so to be heavily into the culture in a way that is represented is pretty cool.

Starting point is 02:28:33 It's a pretty big deal, you know? Yeah. Yeah. We should make one next year if we made one and we did make a charity for it or something. That could be cool. Right, but we would have to do you one too. So like there would have to be a Theo Vonn as well.

Starting point is 02:28:53 I mean I would be happy to do that. Yours is really the, yours is the one they're already using without your permission. That's what I'm saying, they're already doing mine. Yeah, that's true. But maybe we'll try to find one. That'd be kind of a neat. Maybe we could do something where we'd raise some money for something. I would love it. You would?

Starting point is 02:29:11 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I'm all about that. That's cool. We should do it for... Yeah, we should do it for... Autism. We should do it for autism. We should do it for people on the spectrum.

Starting point is 02:29:27 Okay. And everybody has autism. They have all types of people with autism, yeah? Right. Yeah, I would love to do that. That's a cool idea. And do you, my last question for you, Kat, do you know any Native Americans

Starting point is 02:29:40 you ever met any over the years? What's that been like? Really cool. have you ever met any over the years? What's that been like? Really cool. Like, way more, I'm trying to figure out how to say it, but like- Cause I've just heard,

Starting point is 02:29:55 some of these are just things that I've heard. When you, I met this tribe that, several times I've met several tribe that several times, I've met several tribes, but the whole thing is you get this thing around them that you understand that they've been standing here. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:30:21 Like, there's a, yeah, you understand how difficult it is to carry legacies and stories, even though your people have been getting destroyed, and then when it's all at as bad as it could possibly be and everything is destroyed of your whole legacy, then they give you unlimited money and have casinos. And it's a mind blowing thing to watch a people, a group of people still carry their legacy along.

Starting point is 02:31:04 And that's what you get. still carry their legacy along. And that's what you get. And they know so much about so much. Like, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm an outdoor guy, and they know everything about everything. Like, fishing with them is like a whole different experience. They're whistling them bitches in the boat. Like they don't make no mistakes.

Starting point is 02:31:26 Like that whole part where you don't catch fish, they don't know shit about that. Yeah, they catching bitches and half of them cooked. They catching bitches, they do it right. I want you to come out of the water boneless. Yeah. I want you to come out of the water boneless. Yeah. Flaaays.

Starting point is 02:31:51 Have with, with outdoor stuff, have you ever done any like camping or anything like that? You're done any long camps? Did you ever do like a plant medicine retreat or anything like that? No. But having a hundred acre ranch, you start getting in trying to make sure you, because first you have to figure

Starting point is 02:32:13 out what you already have there, you know what I mean? Cause I'm kinda, aren't you like close to Nashville? Yeah, yeah. Right, so I'm out in Mississippi on this farm, you see? And so, you know, you learnin' what's out there and then you're tryin' to accentuate what's already out there. And, cause I think we probably got like,

Starting point is 02:32:39 300 deer, like. Wow. And they just run around everywhere, yeah Yeah Because the way Progress worked they kept getting pinned in And then there was a golf course and so they had a little safe area in between them. And then when houses start going, then it became neighborhoods. Less and less.

Starting point is 02:33:12 Gated community, and now there's nowhere else for them to be. And this particular area is where they all came to. So, pretty wonderful. Yeah, I could see you having like a cool petting zoo or something one day if you wanted to and you're, you know, you ever quit or just wanted to have a peaceful animal type of, or a safari, something like that. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:38 Cats, cats. I'm never trying to do something that requires interaction. Like what I'm doing is creating heaven on earth. Yeah. Right? So that means finding out all of the things that really make you jump for joy and excited and make you go, oh! And collecting those around yourself.

Starting point is 02:34:05 So that no matter what it is you have to deal with in the world, you can come back to this little heavenly environment that you have created. That's it. That fuels you, you know? Yeah, that's the tour right there. Heaven on Earth. As it turns out.

Starting point is 02:34:27 Yeah. Catman, thank you so much for spending time with me today, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for, yeah, thanks for just so many things, so many quotable moments from your life that you've shared with us. And yeah, it's an honor, bro. I really feel honored to be in your presence today.

Starting point is 02:34:44 And just, yeah, I can't even believe it. So thank you so much. Likewise. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones, but it's gonna take a little...

This Past Weekend - E558 Katt Williams

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