This Past Weekend - E567 Hasan Piker

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Starting point is 00:01:16 I am thankful today for his time and our conversation. Today's guest is Mr. Hassan piker It feels like I made so many requests where I'm like, oh my god, I need to have my dog here all the shit No, dude. I'm just me so stylish yours like probably Yeah, ours that this is the top is some I mean both are Japanese. I think actually oh, yeah That's what it is. Yeah, it's a Japanese brand called color with a K and The pants are Adidas y3, Yoji Yamamoto collab. Damn.

Starting point is 00:02:09 You don't fuck with fashion at all. I mean, yeah, I don't. I mean, you got a look though. I mean, I don't like to have a lot of. I don't know, should we save this for the pod? That's Norman, oh, we're rolling? Oh, okay. I might get a little closer to you.

Starting point is 00:02:22 All right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad. That's why I didn't have it in my that's why I didn't have it in my mouth Because I thought we weren't filming it. Um Yeah, dude, that is style that's yeah, I mean, yeah, it's definitely very stylish my good friend Aaron he started a company called John Elliott I Feel like I've heard of that. Yeah, they have him like it now and like in Norseman It's like a they have like it over like I think it was like right after like g-star kind of came out like G I try I got into some g-star for you guys some g-star that was like is like

Starting point is 00:02:54 Let me see what we're doing kind of as I got I would like to have more fashion sometimes I just don't know if I I don't care You gotta look I get too overwhelmed overwhelmed I like knowing like there's about 17 or 18 things that I wear that'll be okay, bro You got a look you can't be saying I need to get into fashion and you're making a deliberate choice Then I have a mustache and grow a beard out I feel like that's that's a look I never thought about that. Yeah, you got the flannel. It's that little bit like a sock for your chin kind of I guess yeah, that's brave by the way. I just gotta say to do just this

Starting point is 00:03:30 Yeah, I think it's brave, but do you think that's a cultural thing? What culture is your family from? I'm Turkish Okay, so in Turkey is that a thing? Do you see just this ever in Turkey? Sometimes I mean we don't got Amish people Just this ever in Turkey? Sometimes. I mean, we don't got Amish people. Normally the only time you see the beard in the no mustache combo is if they just go with the full one. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:51 And it's just like, I don't know why they do that. Yeah, I saw a guy with a huge beard the other night at a comedy show. I think it was in Ohio. He had a huge beard and then a Edgar, that kind of Mexican kind of Edgar cut in the front. I love that. Oh, it was great.

Starting point is 00:04:05 This guy was ginger. I mean, probably Amish or recently Amish or once removed or whatever. And he had had like, I mean, you could tell somebody in his watch, somebody at fucking, he probably had nails in his pocket. You know what I'm saying? He definitely, somebody had somebody. I don't know, man. But no, you're probably the most,

Starting point is 00:04:26 I'm trying to think of somebody else more stylish that's come in here. Oh, here's some facial hair types right here. This is very important. Bro, this is like that Russian ethnicities photo grid. You know what I'm talking about? Like in the USSR, this is crazy. This does look like.

Starting point is 00:04:41 Yeah, they're like, they're showing us the different kinds of Armenians. It does look like 40 degrees of Uber. That's what it looks like. Yeah, see, look, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, I thought this was one of those tear watch fucking charts, dude. No, no, this is like, look at all the different ethnicities

Starting point is 00:04:59 in the USSR. It's to be better at racism. Well, that's what I, dude, racism's to be better at races racism. Well, that's what I did Racism used to be so easy in America. Like when I was growing up It was like easy easy to do easy to be racist now I've been to these it's almost like you have to have a chart you have to have Yeah, that's what I'm a little later to even be racist now. It feels like yeah, I hate that Goddamnit racism used to be so easy.

Starting point is 00:05:26 Yeah, what happened to the good old days that you can just point out the window and your stepdad just knew immediately what was going on, you know? Yeah, I think it's just extra difficulty now. That's what it is. So you have to be smarter as a racist. Yeah, there's a barrier to entry.

Starting point is 00:05:44 We're trying to make the races better. Yeah, dude, because, oh, you said there's like a barrier to entry now. You have to be smarter as a racist Is better yeah Yeah, dude, because are you said there's like a barrier to entry now? Yeah, there's a there's a barrier entry to doing racism It's like it's it's unironically a more difficult process now But what I was gonna say is If you want to go back to the to the facial hair chair bring it up again please because I want to know what we're doing or was it yours the other one no no that was the that was just a USSR races USSR race chart but yeah you can also get that USSR chart is easily a lot of those men you'll see a meeting with very young girls at Starbucks trying to get them involved in

Starting point is 00:06:23 something a lot of times it seems like. But what is this one? What do you got? You got the chin curtain? No, you got the goatee. That's what you have. Yeah, I guess I have the goatee. It's very simple kind of.

Starting point is 00:06:35 It's like, I have a big nose, so I try to, you do little things to try and trick a wife or whatever, trick a, you wanna have a spouse. So I have that, and then I have a wife or what it trick a you know you want to have a spouse so I have that and then I Have a little bit more chin than my brother does so I have a real chin in here some people it's it's completely it's a total mirage like There's a guy that's in that power slap game, and they can't even like he has a key They can't identify where shin begins Yeah, I love that especially when like dudes have that situation going on and then they'll just like grow out their beard and basically

Starting point is 00:07:10 Try to like line it up so that there's like a chin there. It's like bro. You are not fooling anybody Yeah, and I don't even know what to do in that situation Like if you got that if you got that no neck edge shit, then you're kind of cooked regardless Yeah, but I mean good luck. I don't know. There is the one where it's crazy where sometimes, yeah, they cut the hair exactly. Yeah. Oh, that's no neck edge. Yeah. He's doing real estate now too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:37 Doing lemonade sale. He was in like a, he got caught up in big lemon or not big lemonade, but like lemonade. Big lemonade. He was, I know he's, he got, I think he was involved with lemonade for a bit. I saw him selling. He was involved with, like a child? Like what do you mean? No, like he was selling, he got caught up, Ed and Pete,

Starting point is 00:07:53 there it is, something like that, or lemonade. Oh, he like actually had his lemonade brand. Yeah, he was selling, it was like, it was the opposite of, you know, they have like a long neck bottle, that was the whole play on it. Oh, oh, that's weird. I know. That's such an odd thing that he was, so he have like a long neck bottle, that was the whole play on it. Oh, oh that's weird. I know.

Starting point is 00:08:05 That's such an odd thing that he was, so he made like a short and stubby one. Yeah. Who wants that baby lemonade out of it? Oh, he definitely looks like the kind of guy that you would just, you want to fucking crack open. He looks like that fancy syrup. You ever see the fancy bottle of syrup, but it doesn't have, bring it up if you can. It's kind of light brown. It has a brown top on it. It's maple syrup, but it doesn't have, bring it up if you can, it's kind of light brown. It has a brown top on it.

Starting point is 00:08:26 It's maple syrup, but it's wide. Oh, like the maple version, like that? Yeah, the 365, the Whole Foods, that matte finish one. Yeah, the one that looks like a liquor bottle. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it looked like an old brown jug. Oh, not the liquor bottle, that one, yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:42 I always, he kind of had that. Anyway, I feel bad we're making fun of the guy now. Yeah, I always he kind of had that anyway. I feel bad. We're making fun of the guy now Yeah, he wasn't I don't know I remember watching 90 day fiance, and he didn't seem like a good, dude He didn't seem he didn't strike me as like a very nice guy, but I mean who knows oh I'll jump on a hate wagon in a heartbeat bro, yeah No, but I saw the other days you in real estate man, Hassan piker. Thanks for coming in dude. Yeah Oh, yes, you're having me. I know you're super busy man. I admire I

Starting point is 00:09:12 admire first of all how streamers how The effort it is it almost seems like it's like one of those races in the Olympics that it's like like an endurance game But also just like your openness to like thinking about things, you don't seem like just like one type of person or like you could pigeonhole you. Yeah, I do a little bit of everything. I mean- But even just in your own beliefs, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:35 and when you talk about political stuff, it's like you seem very poignant, but also like aggressively open to things, you know, which I think, and that's a judgment, and maybe I shouldn't have said something like that but Anyway, I just admire the way that you do things dude, so I appreciate you coming and hanging out. That's all I said Thanks for thanks for having me. Um, I think streamers are basically like the bottom of the totem pole as far as content creators goes like it's definitely laborious, but I wouldn't say that it's like super difficult because like

Starting point is 00:10:07 Overall a Hollywood production if it's if that is like the highest stage of like content creation And you have you know hundreds of people working all around the world working around the clock to put like two and a half hours of content together where everyone's gonna sit there and watch like two and a half hours of content together where everyone's gonna sit there and watch. Twitch streaming is like the lowest of the low where it's just like a dude like me, half the time, you know, picking at his crotch, watching YouTube videos, picking his nose.

Starting point is 00:10:36 And it's, you know, it's, you have to be on for eight hours at a time and it's like usually one person doing that and that's annoying. And you gotta be like constantly listening to people chirp at you and that part sucks but overall I would say it's like the you know lowest tier of content lowest effort of content. Would you say that it's the purest of content though in a weird way like yeah because it's I mean what I do is yeah what I do

Starting point is 00:11:01 is AM radio but what I do is basically AM radio, but for Zoomers. You know, like that's the way I describe myself. Like, you know, like I'm sure you know Rush Limbaugh. Yeah. Like that's the way that I describe what I do to older people in general, where like I'm like Rush Limbaugh, but without the brain rot without the brain rot, quite literally and figuratively, I mean, he did die of brain cancer.

Starting point is 00:11:29 Did he? He had addiction, I know. Yeah, he also had a, yeah, he had a hole, I think, in his brain from all the perks. He was perked up. He was a perked up shouty. Well, he was definitely, my body, my body, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I think he definitely was one of the early, he was almost like a rapper in a way, like, with the pills. I think he definitely was one of the early He was almost like a rapper in a way like with the pills. I think he had the women bring up Rush Limbaugh's wife Let's even get a no. I don't I don't know. I feel like those guys don't fuck I don't know why like unless they're Unless they're gay the gay conservatives like the the ones in the closet like they fuck Okay, never mind. She's kind of She's kind of a looker, huh? I mean, she's better looking than him. I mean, that's not saying much.

Starting point is 00:12:10 That's true, but still, I've seen, yeah, sometimes you get a, yeah, she has a very, who does she look like a little bit? I've never seen his wife. Or someone's widow, Katherine. She kind of looks like, in that photo where they're kissing, she kind of looks like Walter White's wife You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. From Breaking Bad. The blonde haired lady? Yeah Yeah, like hotter. And Tori Spelling a little bit too. She looked like if you go back one Tori Spelling was probably four year

Starting point is 00:12:35 time, but oh, yeah, she does Yeah, I never looked at his wife. Yeah, I never seen a picture of her before Yeah, I mean it'd be weird if you were just like out there Googling Rush Limbaugh's wife. Well, you just- I do that all the time. I look at all my favorite conservative commentators' wives. You just think like, yeah, I guess what do people,

Starting point is 00:12:56 I don't know, yeah. Yeah, I guess it's good that I'm not doing that. What's one of the toughest things about streaming that people don't understand, though? I'll say it like this. Back in the day, Joe Rogan used to always talk about how when you do a three hour podcast, like a relatively new medium. I'm talking like 2014, 2015, when he first was building out the Joe Rogan experience, right? Every other week, seemingly, the media would yell at him

Starting point is 00:13:34 over some shit that he said on his podcast. And he was like, we're having an honest discussion. It's three hours, it's back and forth. It's gonna happen. Things are gonna get taken out of context. I think for Twitch streaming, that's back and forth, it's gonna happen, things are gonna get taken out of context. I think for Twitch streaming, that's tuned up to 11, where not only am I live, I'm talking about politics, which are, I mean, I'm talking about some really

Starting point is 00:13:56 crazy issues, hot button topics, and also I'm doing that with a live audience who's constantly chirping at me in real time, trying to constantly piss me off. And then when they do successfully piss me off, they'll clip that shit and post it on Twitter, post it on Reddit, be like, call out post, call out post, this guy's bad, look at what he said. And when you got crazy dedicated haters too, especially because you're doing politics in general

Starting point is 00:14:25 You're gonna have a lot of crazy dedicated haters They they just do you know they just compile all of that to be like This is a bad person over and over and over again like you'll see it in the in the comments section of this video there will be a Ton of people who are gonna come in and be like this guy is a bad dude like he said this he said that cuz like we're gonna come in and be like, this guy is a bad dude. Like, he said this, he said that. Cause like, the major reason obviously for that is because I'm anti-Israel.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Like, I'm pro-Palestine. I've been pro-Palestine for quite a while and that really brings out the crazies. Does it really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You haven't encountered this? I mean, you had Gabor Mate on.

Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah, we had Gabor Mate, we had a rabbi, we had Bassem Youssef, and we definitely have tried to like learn something about it. I think in the end, for me, it just became like my feelings just tell me that it's just messed up what's happening to those people. It's like, and that a lot of it was covered up by the media or they didn't want you to share certain information or you weren't allowed to. No, for sure. I mean, that's how it's always been though. It's not just for Israel.

Starting point is 00:15:31 It's just in general, like when it comes to American foreign policy, the American media is fairly one note. Our politicians are one note on it too. They're bipartisan on that. Right. So when you say that, do you mean that they're all in on the same... It's all kind of the same ruse, do you mean? Yeah, yeah. They all agree. It's always uniparty.

Starting point is 00:15:52 When it comes to American foreign policy, when it comes to giving money to Israel, when it comes to a lot of that stuff, like going to war with Iraq, right? You got the media also presenting that lie that they have you know chemical weapons They have weapons of mass destruction and uncritically reporting on that to justify going to war With Iraq going and invading a foreign nation that we had no business invading right so that is That happens all the time. Do you think that that's starting to get upset even by like podcasting, streaming? Do you think that that apple cart starting to change? It feels like, Oh, for sure. I think that, uh, the independent media sphere definitely is like dominating partially because

Starting point is 00:16:38 of that reason. Sometimes for bad reasons, people have lost confidence in media when they just don't like what they're reporting, even if they're reporting the truth. And then there are plenty of major reasons like, like Jeffrey Epstein's death. Like you go to any outlet, most of them are going to rule it a suicide. No critical, no critical reporting on it whatsoever. Just unconditionally saying like, no, no, no, it was definitely a suicide. Like the average American doesn't feel that way. And also, there's very valid reasons as to why they don't feel that way. Israel is another great example of this, where like, it was like 80% of Americans wanted a ceasefire.

Starting point is 00:17:15 And yet, if you look at all the way from CNN to Fox News, every single outlet was just like, no, no, no, you don't understand. Israel has to kill these children. Like, please no no no you don't understand Israel has to kill these children like no you don't understand like can you imagine you got imagine a role reversal in that situation where like you got you got Osama bin Laden's best lads on CNN immediately after 9-11 being like listen like we we had the blow up the Twin Towers. Like you don't, the World Trade Center,

Starting point is 00:17:49 it was right there, it was asking for it. One of them was a little askew. Yeah, yeah, we had to fix it. Yeah, well, yeah, it's crazy. Well, there's that famous video that got shared a few years ago, like during COVID, when it was like every channel was reporting the same exact It was just the same script. It was almost just a broadcasting. Yeah, so that's actually that's ironically a lot of right-wingers spread that one

Starting point is 00:18:12 Is that true or not? No, it is but that but that's right wing That's Sinclair broadcasting. It's like a right wing media company that basically bought out all the remaining local news broadcasters Wow, so it's like an umbrella local news broadcasters. So it's like an umbrella. Right-wing media is all over the place actually, and a lot of people don't realize it. Like whenever Fox News talks about like mainstream media lies, I'm like, bro, you are the most popular news network

Starting point is 00:18:35 in the country. What do you mean mainstream media? Like you're dominating everybody else. So you're saying that a lot of times, mainstream media is also right-wing media. Yeah, right-wing media is so dominant. And in the independent side, right-wing media is dominant as hell too. But like, on the mainstream side, right-wing media is incredibly dominant.

Starting point is 00:18:57 They dominate the local news with Sinclair broadcasting, and also all the way up to Fox News, which is the most famous, which is the most successful network which is the most like successful network news broadcaster in the country. Is Fox News the most watched news network? By widest margins. Really? Yeah, it's not even close. CNN and MSNBC, Trump always talks about how CNN and NBC are, you know, in the pooper. Their ratings are awful. These guys love presenting themselves as vulnerable victims and I really I really always get annoyed by that like they say that about They used to always say that about like Facebook too

Starting point is 00:19:32 They're like all their banning stuff and I'm sure they banned like vaccine denial or whatever, right? Because Facebook wanted to be woke and liberal until Mark Zuckerberg got hit with the Dominican ray, but until Mark Zuckerberg got hit with the Dominican Ray. But... So then when people say mainstream media, then I guess, then what did it, because it always felt to me like, yeah, that every outlet was just always super liberal.

Starting point is 00:19:55 That's what it felt like. They are. No, no, for sure. Like a lot of, like the New York Times, you got CNN, ABC, CBS, like NBC. These outlets are liberal. Now, obviously, I'm a little bit of a radical, I guess. So I'm definitely not fond of the Democratic Party either, even though my criticisms of the Democrats are because of their closeness to the Republicans in general. But yeah, they are.

Starting point is 00:20:21 I would say that they're definitely liberal, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're like on the side of the people or anything like that or on even the progressive side Of many the many of these issues and that's why I said There's this uniparty attitude like liberals and Republicans They basically come together and agree when it comes to giving more money to Israel Yeah, not not the voters, I'm talking like institutions, I'm talking politicians in general. Yeah, that seems to be, I think, it feels so far away from being represented.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Like the people feel so far away from being represented and I feel like that seems like it's gotten further and further in my lifetime. I can't tell if it's just because I'm getting older and so you hear about more stuff like that or if it's actually true, but I think people just feel like You know, like why are we having to audit our own government?

Starting point is 00:21:14 You know whether or not the means that they're going about it are good or not, but it's like It's like the the fact that people are cheering to have our own government audited the fact that it's like yeah That 80% of the people would would say they don't support What's happening Gaza, but yet we would still send money to Israel like I think it's done that Trump the other day Trump was like yo, we got a we can't give any more money to Ukraine, right? You're done He's like zell Disney you're out and then he turns around and he's like also We're sending three billion dollars of weapons and bulldozers to Israel pronto Did they really yeah bring that up three point four billion? I believe on the same day. Yep Rubio by pot

Starting point is 00:21:53 Bypasses Congress to send Israel four billion dollars in arms. They were like, oh we have to expeditiously send this out to Israel What what do you mean to continue? Killing Palestinians. Is there anybody left there? Yeah. There's still a million plus Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. They're basically just living in the rubble,

Starting point is 00:22:16 trying to rebuild. I mean, these are some of the most resilient people on the planet. They've been through hell a million times over. You still see a lot of great, like there was a beautiful video, I'm not sure if it was AI or not of them trying to celebrate Ramadan the other night in the long table Yeah, yeah, I think that was real though. I don't think that was AI I saw people take I saw people taking photos of that yeah I mean also the other side of this is like the Gaza Strip is is like

Starting point is 00:22:41 Overwhelmingly children like we're talking like the average age is 14 people are on like 50 plus percent are are minors well that's i think that's before october 7 but like a year ago people would be afraid to have i think this congress to to people be afraid oh for sure including us like i'd be afraid i'd be afraid that no I mean look I've been I've been actively been openly Propel senior emancipation for the past decade, and I've seen a major attitude shift. You're like Turkish McLemore, dude Wait, what do you mean? Yeah? He's been when I was in third year third grade. I thought I was gay Do that that's what it was a song. Oh, you gotta be pretty you have to have an open attitude even think that way in third grade But no, he's been he's been on a on a bashly afraid to share about Palestine, you know

Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah, no, he's had his heart changed. I think his heart's in the right place. I think he's he's doing great He was from the beginning about I mean he was early on it Yeah, not like 10 He hasn't been but since it became like a hot more of a hot button issue in the past three or four years for sure. Yeah, I mean look, I'll never, I'll never discard allies. You know, that's an amazing thing to look at the situation with clarity, with moral clarity and just be like, listen, I didn't know enough about this and now I've recognized the cruelty of what we are doing. Like, because that's the other thing, like, America,

Starting point is 00:24:06 whether we agree to it or not, or whether we recognize it or not, is like participating in this in a pretty meaningful way. They're offering political cover at the UN. They've, you got the basically war crime cops out there at the ICC and ICJ, the International Court of Justice, which prosecutes state on state prosecutions. You have the International Criminal Court, which is a court that prosecutes war criminals, right? And both of them have issued for Netanyahu to be arrested, right? So, South Africa has a case against

Starting point is 00:24:36 Israel for genocide, that's ongoing, and at the ICC and at the ICC, the International Criminal Court has a prosecutor that has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Anya in Yoav Golan for for the crime of You know doing a genocide for being war criminals Intentional starvation of a civilian captive civilian population. It's a pretty obvious war crime. So Well, I just think it's honestly burst some of it I think it's kind of pussy like and I hate to say that because some people don't have pussy don't believe in

Starting point is 00:25:08 Whatever, but it's like I think if you're all if your military is so great send in snipers and get the bad guys That's how I feel do some covert option, but just to be like their military's ass though. That's the problem They just have like they just have Overwhelming firepower and air superiority. That's it. But but but that's the part to me It's like send in some you know If those are the bad guys send in and get the like do some it just felt like this Uh, I don't know. It just started to feel gross and then The great thing was it feels like you couldn't hide it from a nation

Starting point is 00:25:43 You could not hide from the world that what they were doing was wrong. But going back to what you're saying, how much are we complicit in so many of these types of things that happen in different countries? And do we need to be? No, I think we are complicit. I mean, that's how I feel about it, at least. But that's why I actively urge people to protest and do everything in their power to try to put an end to this.

Starting point is 00:26:10 Because I think we have a lot of power in this regard. In the United States of America, I don't think that America is like a true democracy by any means. And this kind of stuff basically puts that on display for everyone to recognize. Or whenever people go hey can we get health care and the government's like fuck you and then you're like what like this would be nice to have you know socialized medicine but

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Starting point is 00:28:55 offer ends March 31st. See if your company qualifies for this special offer at oracle.com slash T-h-e-o. That's o-r-a-c-l-e dot com slash theo. I wouldn't say it's like complicity in terms of like your hands are bloody individually, but the least you can do is not actively champion America doing this stuff and And and also go out and protest like and try to try to give a voice to voiceless people that are just being massacred For no reason. Yeah Why is there such a strong bond between America and Israel I've heard

Starting point is 00:29:40 Candice Owen was saying that she thought it was blackmail, but what do you why do you think there's really such a Candace always got a lot of thoughts on that stuff. I think I think there's like two different camps here You got people who critically analyzed the relationship with Israel and you got people who are like it's the Jews, you know I am and the critically analyzing the situation camp rather than just being like oh oh, it's Jews because they got mind control powers or whatever the fuck people say. It's because it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a resource rich region, and it has its own espionage facilities. And that is the reason, like we basically carried over from the British, this settler colony in the region,

Starting point is 00:30:25 that we can just kind of use or have a collaborative relationship with and it's incredibly valuable for us. So valuable that like, I mean Israel's blown up USS Liberty like a like an American Navy ship. Yeah. And basically... That was in the 50s I think. Yeah, in that process like it was an incredibly valuable Cold War ally Because we were terrified of Israel going in like collaborating with the USSR. You got pan Arabic nationalism happening all around the region all these countries that are developing nation states are Doing so on the boundaries of you know defeating their their colonial occupiers whether it be French colonialism or British colonialism and simultaneously they're looking to the USSR right and they're like

Starting point is 00:31:13 you know maybe you guys will help us out this seems like a cool thing that you guys got going on over there the socialism stuff ain't too bad America goes fuck that and they basically hit the Israel button as hard as they could where they were just like you guys are gonna be our You guys are gonna be our extension, right? It's like some of my friends say There are favorite client states and then there are client states that America just discards Ukraine is obviously a non favored client state and that's what happens when you're done with Ukraine, where you're like, I'm done with this, you know, pack it up,

Starting point is 00:31:49 give me all your minerals, even if you have any, who knows, I don't care, you know, know your place. America does this to the Kurds all the time as well, where they'll just like arm them and be like, yeah, you guys need to get, you guys need to develop a nation state, it'd be nice. Kurds are ethnic minority in the region. Okay. And where?

Starting point is 00:32:08 35 million people. In what region? In the Middle East. 35 million people don't have a nation state. A lot of them live in Turkey. So kind of homeless Kurds. Iraq. Well, yeah, yes and no.

Starting point is 00:32:18 And there's like varying degrees of cruelty that they're subjected to in these countries as like an ethnic minority, my country included in Turkey. And they want to build a nation state, they got an autonomous region in Iraq now, they're in Syria as well, they're in Iran as well and then they're also in Turkey. So America will go up to them and be like, we're going to arm you guys, we're going to train you guys, go fuck shit up. And then as soon as they're done, they just discard them and they're like, okay go you can they'll tell Turkey

Starting point is 00:32:49 You can go and you know bomb these villages that they're in who cares it doesn't matter anymore So what you're saying, I think it's like that that's one of the things that makes it tougher the more information you learn I think in the world. It's like The shittier thing seem yeah in some ways but the of things, you just see the reality. It's like, yeah, you need, and if you were playing a game of risk and you were these dictating, you were these powerful people, how would you operate? And yeah, it just gets to, it gets to be tough to find out, okay, well then what is being an American still mean to me?

Starting point is 00:33:23 And then also that things are so Conflicting and dangerous out there amongst these like leaders and powers that you have to You have to like kind of put a flag in something for yourself, you know Just to kind of get you to because otherwise you'll just be sort of aimless it feels like well, I mean, I think I don't know if I'm even explaining that fully right, but you got to stand for some is over your saying if you don't stand for some you fall for everything. Yeah. So here's what I think is like the more we learn about history and the more we learn

Starting point is 00:33:57 about just like the like, well, America did these things and some of it, 9-11 could have been the result of some of that. Just as more as you start to learn that America hasn't always been this perfect partner in this, that it just starts to test like, okay, well, what does it mean to be an American to me? But then at the same time, you need to be an American because you live in a country that's safe

Starting point is 00:34:22 and you're able to operate here within the country. So it's, I don't know, it just makes it kind of interesting. Does that make sense? No, I get it. What you're what you're exhibiting is a very normal contradiction that a lot of Americans when faced with the reality of American foreign policy, they come to terms with this. Like they try to they try to resolve this contradiction where on the one hand you're saying, well, I'm an American.

Starting point is 00:34:46 I like the security blanket that I exist under. Right. But also simultaneously, sometimes you're like, but damn, we're doing a lot of fucked up shit around the world. I mean, look, I'm a people always yell at me and say, oh, Hassan, you only say America bad. But I don't just stop at that. Like I want America to be good. I think America has incredible potential.

Starting point is 00:35:09 It's the wealthiest nation on the planet. It should be doing so much more to help its own citizens and so much more to lead the way, pave the way for a new evolution of the way that we look at international relations than the way that we engage with conflict. But the reason why America is the way it is, is because I see it as basically, you know, 50 corporations in a trench suit.

Starting point is 00:35:34 Like, it's just a, it's a holdover to extract tax revenue from everyday Americans and then give it directly back to corporations in the form of subsidies without ever regulating them and and you know Demanding anything in return. I think one of the best examples of this was when You know Russia invaded Ukraine and then Russia is also part of OPEC plus so they went back to Saudi Arabia Take us back our listeners if we get too much Information a lot of them don't. They're gonna tune it out? Well, I think if it's new information for me, and I shouldn't say them. If it's new information for me, it's hard for me to go along.

Starting point is 00:36:11 So OPEC... Why are you throwing them under the bus? I know. I am. My bad, guys. I am the problem. So, but OPEC is the oil... Yeah. So OPEC is like an oil NATO, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically, exactly. It's a cartel. Okay. That's what it is it's a it's a it's a it's a group of of

Starting point is 00:36:30 Countries that have oil reserves that basically set the the price of oil barrels, okay, and Saudi Arabia is pretty dominant because like they have You know, I mean they they're the oil Yeah, and yeah the oil gods, basically. They're the big dogs, they're damn. Yeah. And yeah, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. And Russia basically went back to OPEC and was like... Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, yeah, okay. Yeah. At the time, Russia had a lot to, you know,

Starting point is 00:36:58 a lot to gain from. And all these other countries had a lot to also gain from, basically, limiting the price of, or limiting the price of or limiting the supply of oil. You know, we're in the post-COVID era too. And then like they're also they were also making a lot of money and they had lost a lot of revenue.

Starting point is 00:37:15 So they wanted to recoup because nobody was like flying around or using oil because everyone was like starting home. Oh yeah, oil has been down. So they they were recouping on those losses by just basically saying, demand is on an all time high. We're not gonna produce, you know, we're not gonna keep up with that demand to make sure that we stabilize the prices.

Starting point is 00:37:35 Right, so they're saying, oh, there's only so much oil. Even though there's as much as they want, they kind of want their- Oh yeah, they could have produced way more. Right. So the point I was gonna make is, Brandon went back to Saudi Arabia, you know, he shook hands with MBS and was like, hey, Brandon, Joe Biden.

Starting point is 00:37:51 Oh, Joe Biden. Yeah, he went to Saudi Arabia, he was like, come on Jack, you know, produce more oil, come on, don't do it. And they were like, nope. The reason why I'm telling this convoluted story is because then we have American oil and gas industry providers, right? Like we have our own oil. Everybody always talks about how we have independence, like energy independence in America. So he went back to the American oil and gas industry and was like, all right, you guys have to produce more oil because you have to offset what OPEC is doing.

Starting point is 00:38:27 And you know what they said? Fuck you. That's what they said. They rely, the oil and gas producers in this country, the fossil fuel industry gets 80% of our energy subsidies. It's like billions of dollars that they get. Subsidies means they get kickbacks from the government. Not even a kickback like

Starting point is 00:38:52 Government collects taxes and then government gives these companies whether they're in agriculture or whether they're in the oil and gas industry They give money to these companies to keep prices relatively low to keep up with the cost of the production, right? They're like hey, we're gonna give you this money. So you keep prices low, but in a time Oh because the gut because that company owns so much of the actual market of whatever that product is that if they wanted to adjust it, they could do it. Yeah, exactly. I didn't even know that. And they didn't provide, they just didn't supply the federal government with more oil. They just did not, they did not produce more in the time to stabilize prices.

Starting point is 00:39:25 And you got like the oil lobby guys going on CNBC and actively being like, we have a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders to maximize profit. We don't care if the, you know, we don't care if the prices are high, you know, sucks to suck because our profits are great. And the reason why I explained all this is because I think that's a perfect demonstration of how America operates, like the American government operates rather, where it serves corporations, not the people. And then you got China on the other hand, where like it's, you know, they got billionaires too, they got massive corporations too, but those

Starting point is 00:40:01 corporations serve the government. Now that can be bad, but if the government is, you know, interested in uplifting the great, the public good and doing like even development or whatever, then ultimately they just can force corporations hands to do whatever they want. Yeah, I mean, like you're saying, it's like, yeah, the more you learn, it's, um, you have to then decide, okay, you almost have to differentiate. Well, what does it mean to be an American to me? You know, because if I stay here and I sleep under this banner of America, where I can make money and I can have, and there's a welfare system and albeit there, you know, people have ideas of whether they're good or bad and those,

Starting point is 00:40:48 but that I stay here, I continue to stay here. I keep myself here, this is where I choose to be, you know, in the safety of this place. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like, well, how complicit am I or am I just an American? And this is, I got blessed into this place and this is where I am.

Starting point is 00:41:05 And if somebody else weren't born into this place and they were in a place that were, you know, more hostile and scarier to live in and sleep in and try to survive in, wouldn't they be praying that they would be here or that they would have some of the same things? You know? Does that make any sense?

Starting point is 00:41:20 No, it does. Yeah, no. What you're describing, like I said, is, is what left is, what left is called like living in the imperial core. Because if you're in the heart of empire, you at the very least don't suffer the repercussions of being the victims, right? Right. Like you're not in Guatemala, so you're not getting destabilized by the American government in many instances, or at least throughout your history. So you haven't been kept down and therefore your situation in comparison to them is going to be a lot better. And then what do I want my life to be like day to day?

Starting point is 00:41:52 Do I want it to be this constant, like, or do I want to not think about those things and think that those are the government's, you know, some of that's the government's responsibility? I do my best to elect and vote in a way that I think is meaningful and vote for the best person. And then I try to enjoy my life and take care of my family and my neighbor. You know, I think it's like, I don't know, that's kind of how I think maybe I start to break it down in my head, you know?

Starting point is 00:42:15 Yeah. So that, that, that what you were describing right there is, is basically the heart of, I wouldn't say the problem necessarily but that that is why a lot of people just like tune out because they feel just powerless at the end of the day you know you got your protests you vote and then these guys do whatever the fuck they want to do what am I supposed to do is like the the attitude that the average citizen has in this country and you know that's why things slowly but surely seemingly get worse year over year Maybe not for you and I because like I mean we're relatively successful

Starting point is 00:42:51 but for like average people for everyday people shit is fucked up and They recognize it but they don't know who is responsible for it and they become so malleable and so open to responding to anybody that will look at, anybody that will recognize their frustration and say, it's actually because of this and that. And I think Trump tapped into that so perfectly, and that's why he won, that's why he defeated the Democrats so handily. Because he was like, yes, you're angry, I'm angry too. Why are you angry?

Starting point is 00:43:23 Because woke libtards, because DEI, because trans people, because undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants aren't your fucking landlord. They're not the one who's raising the price of rent. They don't own the mega corporations. They're not sitting at the board of BlackRock. You know what I mean? It's not a Guatemalan migrant that's

Starting point is 00:43:42 sitting at the board of BlackRock purchasing all the fucking houses or they're not the real estate developers that refuse to you know add to the like Much needed supply of housing yeah, and instead put a fucking rag and bone in every town Well, it's just like dude don't tear down cool areas and just put up a rag and bone dude It's not fucking cool But no, I mean it's interesting. I never really heard it put like that like and Then of course the other things you say these other things to people that doesn't feel You got us point you have to approach people with something they can point a finger at and it's whatever they're pointing that is close enough

Starting point is 00:44:22 where they feel like It can be reached. Yeah. Right? Like those are things that it's like, but also those are things like you label like Trump talked about them last night on some of the congressional address. I think it was the party address last night. Yeah. He did a, he did like a fake state of the union.

Starting point is 00:44:42 It was a joint congressional address. Joint congressional address. Yeah. Because he talked about some of those things like DEI Yeah, bro, they cut DEI and now planes are fucking falling out of the sky man We need to bring Pete Buttigieg back as the transportation secretary. He needs to fix the problem. Was he a dog in there? No, we need black policy first of all black people can jump better. So are not going to have a fucking black dude in a plane, bro? I don't know. I don't know about the jumping. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:45:09 Factor into the to the to the pilot program. But still, dude, if I see if I saw Michael Jordan in the cockpit, that bitch, we're going to stay up. That's how I'm 100 percent like that's where I feel. Now, I now now I think, you You know now we if I get on a plane and I see a white man that dude better be in a polyamorous relationship Okay, I need that dude sucking dick. Okay, I need I need something I need if he's straight and he's a he's a straight white male that plane is falling dude. That's what's going on Trump came in he killed DEI every every day there's another fucking plane crash white dudes doing it here's the fuck around I'm not being serious

Starting point is 00:45:52 even though even though Republicans do think that that is real where they're like oh there's a black woman pilot that's why planes are falling it's like no dumbass because of fucking capitalism like Dave they've literally undercut every aspect of production to make more money. They constantly outsource. They constantly send certain aspects of manufacturing to other countries where there's like less regulation

Starting point is 00:46:14 and less restrictions. That makes them more money. And that's why fucking planes are, you know, the doors are exploding and shit while they're flying. Is that one of the real reasons you think it's going on? That's 100% the reason why it's going on bring it up See if we can that's a good question Why are what because it there seems to be these little times in history where it's like, okay for this year

Starting point is 00:46:35 It's almost like they press a plane trouble button and it's like, oh now there's plane trouble Well, that's also because you know minor incidents happen all the time Right the media hyper focuses on them when it becomes like a hot button topic. That's what it is. And there are obviously freak accidents as well. Freak accidents happen. But I think there's never really like a perfect example, like a perfect demonstration of why

Starting point is 00:47:02 these things are happening more frequently. Yeah. Let me see what this even says. No, there were actually more plane crashes between January 1st, 2024 and February 1st, 2024 when you compare the same time period this year to last year. So there were more crashes. Yeah, but the difference is the severity of like one big crash and then people hyper focus on it. This happened with the Palestine Ohio. Remember when the train derailment happened and everybody's like why aren't they covering this? Well you know I'm a little bit of a fomer. I love trains maybe it's because of the autism but

Starting point is 00:47:40 like you know how many train derailments happening every year every single year a thousand some of them are minor Some of them are major right? So every single person hyper focused on this understandably because like they try to do a shitty ass cover-up for it and be like Oh, no, everything is fine. And there was gas leaking. Yeah, there was death. Oh, you just feel itchy. It's normal Yeah, just keep drinking the water. It's fine. That is green. You know shut up, but Because of that then everybody started focusing on all these derailments And they were like what the hell's going on and it's like there's a lot of that that happens all the time It's just the media doesn't pay attention to it because if you paid attention to it all the time you go crazy

Starting point is 00:48:19 It's like crime right crime in big cities. It's a constant. Oh, yeah. You know, that is a buddy of mine was staying with me and he's from, like, the suburbs of Portland, right? Just like a very white neighborhood. And I'm living, I live in the middle of West Hollywood and, you know, L.A. is not like New York or whatever, but it's still a city, right? Every time he heard firecrackers or whatever, like fireworks or whatever, he would freak out. He's like, is that gunshots? I'm like, no, man, that's just fireworks. Like, what are you talking about? And then he would hear like, you know,

Starting point is 00:48:54 ambulances or police sirens and he'd freak out. Because like, if you live in a suburb and you hear police sirens, yeah, some crazy happen, right? But if you live in a city, you hear it all the time, this background noise, because you know there's always shit happening. There's you know, tens of millions of people around. So how you saying that relates to this?

Starting point is 00:49:15 What I mean by that is, if you pay attention to it with apps like, you know, Nextdoor and Citizen and Ring and all this stuff, you start realizing that like it's happening all the time and it makes you go crazy. Same with train derailment, same with plane, you know, plane crashes and whatnot. There are there are normal part

Starting point is 00:49:34 of this process and you've got to look at the data and try to figure out if this is like truly unique or not. And in terms of the plane crashes, the the deadly nature of some of them is unique There's been some big ones right like with the Ronald Reagan Airport one But outside of that like, you know minor bumps at the Seattle Airport or whatever like that's normal He had a couple of words like these planes almost he showed them

Starting point is 00:49:58 They would show you a video and I watched one of them two times like I didn't that shit even look close to me They're like but they just label it that way. It's definitely kind of fascinating. Then once something happens, you start to hyper-focus on it more. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. I've benefited from therapy. You know that, Jeepers. Gosh.

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Starting point is 00:51:15 That's better, H-E-L-P, betterhelp.com slash theo. Would you consider yourself a Democrat? What do you consider yourself? No, I'm a leftist. That's what I say where I'm very critical of both parties in general. I don't think that either party really represents my interests. Like the Democrats sometimes will point to things

Starting point is 00:51:37 that I care about and they are, I guess, a little bit closer to the way I see the world than the Republicans are. But, you know, I'm actively critical of both parties. Yeah. Because I don't care, I don't care about party affiliation, I care about like doing right by people.

Starting point is 00:51:53 I care about, you know, helping, putting the interests of people over the interests of profits for corporations. Yeah, you know, I hate it when somebody tries to label like, oh, you're a mag or you're this type of thing It's like that. I've never wanted to be put in a box my whole life I don't feel like there's enough parties really to represent the people And I think the more information you get and learn I think a lot of people start to feel that way

Starting point is 00:52:17 Like I don't this party really represents me, you know But then there's such conglomerates of so many different little pieces that they almost you're like well I like this person in this one. I like this person on the chess team So or this rook so I'm gonna they will get my vote because they have that player, right? Yeah But yeah I think that that's I think is more people get more information and able to look into things more that that that kind of evolves um, I think that

Starting point is 00:52:44 There's there's one thing that transcends party boundaries, and I feel like you exhibit that tendency as well, and that is dissatisfaction with the government and the two-party system anyway. And I think Trump also captured the attention of a lot of people by making it seem like he was totally outside of this dynamic, where he was like, I'm an independent, I'm a billionaire, I'm rich, I don't give a fuck about either of these parties, you know, vote for me. And that's why you have a lot of people who love Bernie Sanders because

Starting point is 00:53:13 he's he's earnest, he's honest, and it's obvious that he's not like, you know, a Democratic Party dick rider. And he has a long track record of like constantly doing right by others, constantly advocating for things that like you know help people Even if he doesn't have much success that earnestly has I think Created this is this unique phenomena of people that like Bernie and also Trump people like yourself Who who think well these guys are anti establishment?

Starting point is 00:53:43 Yeah, I think well I think one thing about Trump was like, and I was like, fuck, it made you believe, because most people knew him from rap songs probably, from being a rich white guy, having rich guy hair, and then from being on The Apprentice, right? Yeah, which was a very, you wanna know some- Pretty monumental how that all shaped out. want to know something crazy about the apprentice It was one of the most diverse shows on network television at the time

Starting point is 00:54:11 It literally was one of the first shows are like prominently featured a bunch of black and brown people Yeah in it a bunch of gay people in it, too He was woke as hell that motherfucker was doing DEI before anybody else now. He switched up you see this He switched up. Yeah, I remember he gave flavor flavor job working doing it up working at a um ice cream shop or something one day I remember seeing that episode so yeah, I mean he was I like I just thought there was a mowers like oh anybody Cuz you're right. He didn't seem like a political insider. He seemed like, you know, I think he's always been this, or notoriously it seemed like he's just been this kind of like real estate, shady real estate executive guy,

Starting point is 00:54:54 which I think at a certain point, some people were like, oh, I'll take that, I'll take a ruthless business guy as our president because politics has become a ruthless business But I think um yeah, I think there was a thing like oh anybody could be president right so that in a way felt a little bit like the American dream or at least a little piece of like Anybody there was a feeling like oh he got it. There's cuz nobody thought he would win. Yeah, that's true So I think there was that comeback piece to him right yeah

Starting point is 00:55:24 But then he was president for years years and people like oh, okay Maybe what this wasn't so good and then what did the Democrats do in? Who the Democrats put forth they put forth a cadaver who was like no we're going back to business as usual, baby And Americans were so fatigued by Donald Trump But they were just like I don't want to I don't want to pay attention to the television anymore. Like, sure, I'll vote for this guy instead. And then Brandon wins. And then everyone's like, oh my God, things are awful.

Starting point is 00:55:53 Wars all over the place. Biden, you mean? Cost, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Biden. I just keep saying Brandon, I'm sorry. No worries. I'm so used to calling him Brandon.

Starting point is 00:56:01 Well, people say, let's go Brandon is like a Trump thing. Yeah, yeah. But then I just don't want people to get Brandon. Well, people say, let's go Brandon, is like a Trump thing. But they're not just telling people to get confused. Yeah, my bad. So Biden comes in and wars everywhere, cost of living crisis, like a lot of the resentment and anger that people felt in 2016 towards Hillary Clinton, because their situation wasn't so great,

Starting point is 00:56:22 that caused them to vote for Donald Trump, never, it was left unexamined. Like it was never recognized, it was never fixed, right? So when all the stuff piles on, people are resentful again. And lo and behold, they wanna put that mallet, they wanna bring the mallet back in to just like hammer the federal government because they're just like, we fucking hate this. We hate the way things are going. So we'll give this guy a shot again and that's how you

Starting point is 00:56:49 arrive at Trump too. And now he is doing the mallet he's ripping over the administrative state he's doing mass layoffs of the federal regulatory agencies and it's crazy to me that people don't understand that like these are the same problems that have persisted that he's basically worsening by also removing tens of thousands of people that work for the federal government with decent paying jobs.

Starting point is 00:57:17 I'm a big advocate for more government employees. I think we should have millions more, not less. Give everybody a fucking job. Oh, well, I think that we should have I think women should get paid so that they can be at home with their children and that that way or or a man if one of them wants to work and then the other one can be at home to be a parent you know I wish that that was something that we did with our money they would would never do that though. That's the problem. They hate... There was a case for it at one point.

Starting point is 00:57:48 Yeah, I know, but I'm saying like Republicans especially, Democrats won't do either, because like both parties kind of like the austerity stuff. Like they... What does austerity mean? Austerity is belt tightening, like fiscal belt tightening, as in, you know, lowering expenditures and cutting social safety nets basically. Well I think people are getting to their wits in where it's like nobody believes that either one of these parties is doing anything, right?

Starting point is 00:58:12 I think you've had the same problems, you've had the same things happen time over time and maybe some of it at a certain point you realize well that's just the cost of business. It's just become so bloated, it's become more about them like you're saying, more about corporations and less about everyday people and that's just like it's just become so bloated. It's become more about them Like you're saying more about corporations and less about everyday people. Yeah, I mean, that's what it is Yeah, it's never been about people in my opinion. It's like New Deal with a lot of like socialist communist pressure at the time FDR's new deal. Yeah FDR's new deal. What was it? Bring it up. FDR's new deal definitely Brought forth a lot of prosperity to America, like got us out of

Starting point is 00:58:47 the muck of the Great Depression. The New Deal was a series of domestic programs, sorry to interrupt you, I just wanna, was a series of domestic programs, public works projects and financial reforms and regulations enacted by President FDR in US between 33 and 38, 19, and the 1900s with the aim of addressing the Great Depression which began in 1929. Wow, dude, so he had to be right on the back of the Great Depression. Yeah, because people always they always are Like they'll quote him all the time, you know Yeah, he he did he did a lot Look, he dealt with the pressing bank crisis through the Emergency Banking Act 1933 banking at Federal Emergency Relief Administration We set up Social Security.

Starting point is 00:59:27 I mean, there's so much there's so much that they did in that era because like Americans were or I mean, they they were experiencing tremendous, tremendous hardship. So you're saying a lot of this felt like it was done for the people. Yeah, it was done for the people

Starting point is 00:59:42 because it was a necessary it was it was basically necessary for them to was done for the people because it was a necessary, it was basically necessary for them to do this at the time because of all of the deregulation in the banking side with oil barons and all these like robber barons basically like picking apart and dominating everyday American existence and the economic collapse that came with that. And then someone had to come in and fix this shit and I think Donald Trump is is basically not doing the FDR thing but the reverse he's fucking it up and taking it back to like a pre-New Deal era where giving it more towards corporations you think oh 100%

Starting point is 01:00:18 I mean he got he got Elon Musk right there he's the richest guy on the planet he's just putting his dick through his weird ugly egg-shaped penis through every single Regulatory agency and people seen his penis. I haven't seen that. I don't know that's what I don't see that kind of stuff Yeah, they were saying they were saying he's got a weird dick Yeah, if dude if I'm Elon Musk, I'm definitely getting a crazy dick. I'm getting a fucking designer dick. I'm getting enough No, that's the that's what they're either. I'll get a damn three seater cock. Yeah, they're saying I put suicide doors on my Elon Musk, but here's what I would say is to count to count another thing about Elon is like or just to discuss it really I

Starting point is 01:00:59 Think people are like we don't give a fuck who's auditing this thing and finally there's like oh This is the person to audit. this is the person that's gonna audit this is somebody we can blame if something fucks up this is somebody that at least they're saying that they're gonna audit the government like why why do we even have to audit our own government? Well we we have see that's the problem we already have an auditing agency so these guys unironically created an additional agency, which is redundant, to eliminate redundancy. And the unfortunate side of this is that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. So they go in and they just like pull data and they basically

Starting point is 01:01:40 make these public declarations about, you know, a billion dollars is going to this or that. Oh, yeah. Like they straight up lied. They were like, oh, yeah, we already cut like 200 billion dollars of funds. And then like the New York Times and all these other like actual investigative reporters went in, looked at the data and they were like, dude, that's a lot. Like there's one instance where they claimed that they cut eight billion dollars and they actually cut eight million dollars. Like, how do you carry over so many goddamn zeros? They're just like, ah, fuck it, who cares?

Starting point is 01:02:09 No one will fact check it, no one will look it up. Well, the crazy thing is though, now you have, you have whoever our original auditing system was, and then you have this second, and now we have this second auditing system. But dude, it goes to like, it's so, like I'll have a financial, like an investment banker, right?

Starting point is 01:02:32 But, there's times, and I probably should, I wanna hire somebody to audit my financial advisor, cause I'm like, is this guy stealing money from me? Cause you hear so many stories of people getting stolen from the site, entertainment, different industries, whatever, but it starts to'm like, is this guy stealing money from me? Because you hear so many stories of people getting stolen from just like entertainment, different industries, whatever. But it starts to be like, I don't even know who to trust anymore. And I think that's where most people feel like it is. It's like, I don't know if most people necessarily feel like

Starting point is 01:02:58 that Elon or Doge is the best, but it's like, now it feels like, okay, well, there's a government system that's supposed to be doing this. And then there's a privatized system that's supposed to be doing this and then there's a privatized system It's supposed to be doing this now Who's the crook? Who knows but then I think people look at to Elon and they say well at least he came When he bought Twitter, which was a brave thing to do it felt like it It opened up more opportunity for free speech like things you couldn't share on there

Starting point is 01:03:25 Six years ago, you could share on there there now. I'm not saying all that I think is sucks now I used to love Twitter Twitter's got it was scary It was already like kind of lame cuz like yeah when it was owned by liberals it was like also It also wasn't you know the most fun platform I will say but at least there was like some semblance of regulation where it didn't feel like, you know, it didn't feel like the madhouse that it is now where I mean, I know that it's like my algorithm

Starting point is 01:03:56 as well, I'm sure, because I'm in politics. So I see a lot of political shit. But, bro, there's like, I mean, here, I saw this this morning, there's a guy who straight up was said Adam Schiff raped a minor at Chateau Marmont and it has 70,000 likes. And I'm like, what the fuck? It's like a QAnon thing. I know, I saw that.

Starting point is 01:04:16 There's so many. No, it's not even this. There was a dude who like. No, this is that's not even Adam. That is that's fucking if you look at no, no, that's Anthony Bourdain. They're saying Anthony Bourdain saw him rape the minor, and that's not even Adam that is that's if you look at no no that's Anthony Bourdain They're saying Anthony Bourdain saw him rape the minor and that's why they actually killed Anthony Bourdain That's their QAnon loves talking about how Anthony Bourdain saw like Hillary Clinton chopped babies up or whatever And he was right about to come out against them, but if you look up true and on

Starting point is 01:04:42 True and on actually no Truanon on Twitter. What is Truanon? Is it a cool source? Truanon is my friend's podcast. It's the number one anti-pedophilia podcast out there. Here, look. No way. And then keep scrolling.

Starting point is 01:04:55 They posted it. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Awaken Outlaw, that's the one. The witness is anonymous anonymously. One of the most persistent QAnon beliefs is the huge number of people think that, you you know some of us remember when you raped a dead child 76,000 likes damn bro that's crazy you like I fucking hate Adam Schiff

Starting point is 01:05:15 okay yeah Trump's funniest things when he calls him Adam shit okay I hate him he's my he's my fucking congressperson he sucks sucks. All right? Massive pro-Israel guy. That's an insane thing. You are a fucking schizo. Like, what the fuck? But that's the crazy thing now. People will just, you see things and then you start to believe it. Oh dude, I realize Twitter starts to, like, it'll start to rot my mind.

Starting point is 01:05:39 I'll start to get, and then it feeds you something. It's like, that's a scary, and that's another scary thing just about social media. It's about where we're at. Things just feel so, you don't know what to, you open it up, you'll close it, now you're furious. All you were doing was looking for something on your phone. You're bored for 10 seconds, you opened it up, now you got two links to some shit.

Starting point is 01:05:59 Now you're furious, now you close it, now you're back in the grocery store where you were a minute ago. You're on the fucking food aisle, but now are angry your ape shit insane that a kid a deceased kid somewhere Hypothetically got molested by a by a sitting American Like American Congressperson get yeah, yeah And then it's like you want to buy a pussy fart coin or whatever and then you know what to do retardio Yes It's like over tardio is going to the moon and you have all these fucking clan members or whatever trying to sell like just, it just, it's gotten, it's crazy.

Starting point is 01:06:34 But that's what I mean. Like they, it was like Twitter sucked before, but it was, it was definitely not whatever the fuck this is. And there's so much bottom of the barrel shit too because of the monetization stuff like people One of my favorite funniest things that I experience all the time on Twitter is like you got like, you know Genoa radio or like saving the white race or we got to save the West accounts, right? Like they have all these fucking accounts. Mm-hmm. Every single motherfucker on those accounts is from India Every single motherfucker that does that is from India. Every single motherfucker that does the we must preserve the white race. Every single one of them is operating those accounts out of India. Wow. Because. Why I wonder. What do you mean? Because you make like 10, 15 dollars.

Starting point is 01:07:15 That goes a long way in India. As opposed to like a real racist in America. Well that's DEI at another level there if you think about it. Yeah they're using all of those accounts like there's all of those big prominent like you know white culture accounts. Honky's do it better or whatever? Well I don't know about the honky's one but because honky seems like you know I don't think a dude in India knows what a honky is but I'm talking like the the the culture, save the white race accounts and all those like defend Europa accounts, like every single one of them is like a Malaysian dude, you know what I mean? And he's just like, yeah, I'm going to make $15 this month. That's a big, you know, that's good. Save the white race.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Yeah, he's just in there. Yeah. And, you know, they post like the shittiest fucking videos as well. It's unbelievable. It's addicting. There's so much porn too. It's a dick porn to fuck too much porn It's too much porn because I'll be strawberry trying to take care of myself doing decently I'll just see something an edge of a tit or something flies by it's just

Starting point is 01:08:15 And then it just is like you get you can just get stuck pretty easy Jerking off or whatever gets and then I get sad and then I get ashamed of myself And then I just and then I don't even sleep in my bed I know it's like dude on nights like that. I will sleep on the couch. It's almost like I don't eat It's like damn. I know it's like I'm a it's like I'm divorced in my own fucking and I just live alone. It's like Like I'm a husband they got caught jerking off. So now you're sleeping on the couch. You got to resolve them, man There's nothing wrong with jerking off, especially before you go to sleep, you know, it's like a nightcap Yeah, kind of but if you had so many night caps over like 20 30 years You're like, oh, I'm fucking I'm an alcoholic at this point, you know I mean, I've never I feel like I feel like there's a time and place for that in my in my regimen

Starting point is 01:08:59 You know what? I mean, it's like Right before I go to sleep. That's the perfect time to do it it There's never been a moment where I like in the middle of them like yeah, I've never been that guy shit I got a crank it, but I feel like a lot of those like porn addiction guys are like that So I'm like yeah, it's not it's not for me, but maybe you should stop porn That's how I feel when I when I hear about some of their stories Oh, yeah I had a buddy who had curtains put inside of his car and he would go and close them up so he could sit in His car masturbate without feeling like you know like people were gonna point at him or whatever what though

Starting point is 01:09:32 Yo, that dude needs to be institutionalized No, put a fucking stray jacket on that motherfucker stop You he's got a he's got to be put in a room like like train spotting. He's got to quit cold turkey like he's quitting heroin. In Soho, that's considered off-Broadway. Yeah, no, no way, dude. No, render him immobile for like a week. And oh my god, the amount of energy that he probably has trapped in there,

Starting point is 01:09:58 if he doesn't jerk off for a week, he's going to start levitating. He's going to come out of there like a god. His car will start running on his own seamen, He's gonna come out of there like a god. His car will start running on his own seam. You had Bernie Sanders on your show. I did, yeah. Pretty cool, man.

Starting point is 01:10:15 How awesome was that? Yeah, he's the man. I love Bernie. Did you find it interesting that people cheered so much against him when they said that he also took money during like, remember that a couple of months ago? Not a judgment against him when they said that he also took money during like remember that a couple of months ago not a Judgment against him. I think all these people I think when you get into politics, right? It's almost like being in a big family And if you want something done it feels like you have to there's it's almost just like money from what though Well, what did they say that he took money from who?

Starting point is 01:10:39 That was during that during when he was interviewing RFK during our FKs here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bernie was taking money Yeah, that's that's not yeah, that's not correct He never got money from the pharmaceutical industry like from the from the big corporate lobbyists He probably got so the way this works on Open secrets is like and we just read Figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed. Yeah, okay Oh cuz Kennedy said that he of that Bernie Sanders got a certain amount of money This figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed. Yeah. Okay. Oh, because Kennedy said that he,

Starting point is 01:11:07 that Bernie Sanders got a certain amount of money. Yeah. And this is just a clip. This is actually a perfect example of what we've been talking about. Yeah. We see a clip of something, right? In 2020, this was the claim,

Starting point is 01:11:19 Senator Bernie Sanders was the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money in Congress. And the context was this figure cited by RFK Junior referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed. It did not refer to funds originating from or directed by pharmaceutical companies. So what that is is the way that they,

Starting point is 01:11:37 the way that when you make a donation to a politician as an individual, it gets filed with the FEC, right? And in that filing, you write what your job is right? And if you work in the pharmaceutical industry if you work for Johnson and Johnson as a janitor that basically gets tracked as like Johnson and Johnson in the in the Section of like whichever sector you're a part of so like a lot of nurses gave donations to Bernie Sanders so that's like technically still lobbed under like health care and It was not yeah, it was never it was never from like the executives

Starting point is 01:12:13 It wasn't like executives giving a million dollars like the fucking janitor works there or like you know like an accountant that works for this Company, but it gets filed. Yeah, so that it looks like that in some sort of well They just it's good to have like knowing what sectors are doing knowing what sectors are donating. But yeah there is room for nuance of course there and And RFK was falsely claiming that he was getting money from like CEOs and like the industry Industry packs or whatever when that wasn't the case. it was just like random people that work for these companies. Yeah. Yeah. I think it makes, I mean, it totally makes sense to me that that's the way that it could happen, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:51 Um, but it's so funny, RFK probably saw a clip or heard, you know, it's just like, it's so, it's like- I think RFK knows better. I don't, I don't trust any of these guys. I'll be honest with you. Like whether it's RFK, Trump or any number of these people or, people, or Democrats as well, like Kamala Harris, like, I think RFK definitely knows better. He's just saying that because it's a good line and people will believe him. And I mean, look, that's how it works. I know because like Joe Rogan talked about it too,

Starting point is 01:13:17 where they were talking about like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders getting money from like these, you know, big pharmaceutical corporations. That wasn't the case, but it got a lot of mileage on that side of the Internet. That's the other thing that I am frustrated by where there's like no consensus on this stuff anymore. Like, what does a consensus mean? Like we all agree on one thing.

Starting point is 01:13:36 Yeah. And you don't have to agree on one. Like not everybody has to get together and agree on the same thing, but like there's no there's no established truth anymore. Where everybody's just like operating on whatever the fuck they think is the truth and heavily leaning into their biases. And I feel like the internet has become way more echo chambered in that regard and it's very frustrating to see. You know? There's no... There's no...

Starting point is 01:14:02 What do you say, consensuses? Consensus, so there's no like regional place you can go to except now almost your own gut or if you're influenced by clips or whatever, right? Yeah, but we're dumbasses, you know what I mean? Like we're fucking, I'm stupid, like I can't, I can't gut check everything. Like I can't even fucking keep up with you, dude.

Starting point is 01:14:20 I can feel you. But what I'm saying is, is that better than us all being under the influence of some consensus? I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you, dude, I can feel you. But what I'm saying is, is that better than us all being under the influence of some consensus? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just looking at it, right? I think it's good to have a healthy diet of both, right? Like you still need to have trusted resources that you can go to and rely on. That will every now and then be like, that's wrong. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:14:42 And I try to urge people to not get their media diet exclusively from me either for that reason. And even my media diet itself is incredibly diverse. I probably watch more Fox News than I watch CNN and shit, partially because they're more entertaining. But I look at everything so that I can develop a better understanding of what people are saying and what people are believing in general. I need to do a better understanding of what people are saying and what people are believing in general.

Starting point is 01:15:05 I need to do a better job of that. I think of finding my information diet and just where does it come from? I just don't get enough of it. A lot of times I operate mostly just on my own feelings, which is, in the end, your instincts or whatever, but then I start to notice that things

Starting point is 01:15:22 that I get influenced by and my own algorithm and things, I was like, Oh, I'm fucking getting influenced. You know, I'm up last night in the middle of the night and it's like, have I reposted too many Tic TOCs about Gaza? You know, and I'm up for 40 minutes last night laying in my bed and my brain's calculating it for the, but shit like that. You know, it's like, but it's just cause I'll get to my, you know, it's like, none of it's bad stuff really, but it's, um, I'll notice if I get on my Twitter thing, especially I'll get angry I get act and then I'm like if I'm at least aware of this is happening people that aren't aware

Starting point is 01:15:54 That aren't even thinking like oh, this is affecting me. They're just being affected. Yeah, then it's like man My my the way I see my goal like the way I see my job is to basically get people to understand why they're angry and then get angry at the appropriate vectors, like where, who's actually causing harm in their immediate lives. That's why I actively urge people to unionize and work to organize in their communities and organize in their, in their workplaces in general. So they have a network of support with like not necessarily even like-minded people But like people that have the same interest right you don't have to like your co-workers all that much But no matter what your boss is still fucking you over in the exact same way, right? He wants you to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of pay You want to work the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay. This is a contradiction, right?

Starting point is 01:16:44 So how do you resolve that? The only way to overcome the unlimited amount of power that your boss has over you is by getting together and being like, hey man, you got to give us a better contract, right? Like those are the things that I advocate for so that people develop a better understanding of who's actually harming them and they improve their improve their lives immediately in the short term and then build on that momentum

Starting point is 01:17:11 With that said do you think we should have like a higher minimum ways you feel like I mean I think that's one part of this story, but it's not I've thought about it a lot. I've listened to people talk about it Yeah, I think it's good, but that's still a band-aid solution. I think there needs to be more labor-backed control in general. Like unions and stuff? Yeah, labor unions. Yeah, we have 10% union participation rate in this country is lower than other countries that we fucked up, like Chile. We fucked up Chile.

Starting point is 01:17:41 We did a coup there. We set up a dictatorship in Chile. And they still are able to unionize and we yeah, and we wrote we rewrote their constitution and they still have a higher union Participation rate than we do they have 15% in Chile. We have 10% Do you see cuz that's we had the we had the teamsters president of one of the teamsters union presidents on oh, yeah You're Sean O'Brien. Yeah, he was interesting I've interviewed him before I've like some convos on him. He has a podcast now. Oh yeah, you're Sean O'Brien? Yeah, he was interesting. I've interviewed him before. I've like had some convos on him. He has a podcast now. Oh, he does. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Starting point is 01:18:09 I saw him at the inauguration. It's just interesting that I'd never talked to a Team Street Union President. I've heard of the Team Street Union. I watched newsies or whatever, like when I was a kid a bunch. But it was just interesting to see that, you know, to learn about unions and see how they work. And then some people are like, well, once you get unionized, it's hard to, you don't have as much individuality. So if I'm super hard working, I'm self motivated, then maybe I don't want to be a part of the union, you know? Yeah. But I could see that as a safety net for people to have a union against corporations.

Starting point is 01:18:41 Yeah. Yeah, to me, it makes perfect sense. Yeah. Otherwise, they're're gonna clean out your pockets. They're gonna, that's, look, every union, every union member will tell you, like, the motto for unions is, united we bargain, divided we beg, right? You can either go and be like, I'm such a good guy,

Starting point is 01:18:59 please, like, look at how hard I'm working, and then in the off chance, maybe get recognized by your boss, and maybe get a little bit extra money on the side or you can get together with your you know you can get together and engage in the act of collective bargaining and force the company's hand into offering you better benefits and basically claw back the profits that you're generating for them because without the workforce you got nothing right what do you think the fucking CEO is gonna build the table? No

Starting point is 01:19:25 Yeah, you know what I mean? He doesn't know the first thing about building tables, right? It's just gonna all all there's gonna be is is a bunch of wood on the factory floor without you, right? Workers are the ones who add the value who generate the value. Yeah, Bernie has a good Bernie had a good thing about that. He said that well if we're gonna shorten people's work weeks, right, he was talking about having a shorter work week. And then that since companies' profits are going up, then the employees, the amount that they should make should go up.

Starting point is 01:19:55 It's like, it shouldn't just be the company at the top that has the increase. Yeah, so, I mean, AI is a perfect example of this, right? It's very disruptive to the environment. I don't like that. But more importantly, a perfect example of this, right? Like, it's very disruptive to the environment. I don't like that. But more importantly, also on top of that, it's used as a way to displace the existing labor force, right?

Starting point is 01:20:15 Because now you can just get the machine to do the job of the person that was doing the job beforehand. I'm an advocate that, like, no, you should still keep that person employed, pay him the same amount of money, make him work less. Why? I mean, why are you firing this person now? Because AI is a tool, right? But the way that we, the way that companies work under capitalism is whenever there's a technological advancement like this, right, this has allowed us to be on 24-7. Now you can have so much more output as a worker.

Starting point is 01:20:46 You can be online at all times. Productivity rises in that process. Your boss can get ahold of you at all times. Yeah, your boss can get ahold of you at all times. You're more tapped in. You're more aware of what's going on in the world. And you can be a better worker because of that. But in that process, bosses look at that and go, okay, now I can make one guy do the work

Starting point is 01:21:08 of five. I'm going to fire four fucking people and I'm going to make the one guy do the work of the other four people. And that is how that is under capitalism. That's how it works where they use technological advancements that increase productivity to displace the existing labor force, to just basically fire them. And instead of lowering the hours that the existing workforce worked

Starting point is 01:21:33 and maybe even increasing their pay in the process because they're still doing the same work. You know what I mean? And because they're fucking human beings. Like that's why at a certain point it has to tip towards an actual revolution where people pick up And I don't think you say this or not, but I'm I'm gonna say it all the time people call me radical for that

Starting point is 01:21:51 Really? I'm a big revolution guy. I've always had little dreams of like more semi revolutions or like Regional or whatever at least I hope at least I can make it to the regional revolution like I understand if I don't make it to the national but I want to be on a horseback or at least on a fucking standing next to a count or one of the one of our like Bosses or whatever like I want what why see that's because that is no fucking overthrowing the system I know but think about the way you presented that you want to count or a boss to be the leader of the revolution

Starting point is 01:22:21 Somebody has to have some sort of I agree, but it should be people back revolution. That's what- Oh yeah, people, but one of us gets mildly elected or something. Yeah, but not a boss or a fucking politician. Those guys, or a count, is gonna be, is gonna be an organizer, an activist, someone with a background,

Starting point is 01:22:39 someone who understands the needs of the people. It's gonna be somebody also who works at a renaissance fair full-time, who can be on a horseback, who can handle the type of, when you think about it, I'm not even joking, it's kind of crazy, but you will need them, dude, who's fucking, I am willing to ride through here

Starting point is 01:22:55 with a spear, but yeah, at a certain point, if you let so many people go just to appease a company, to appease corporations, you're just gonna have more, those people have to, at some point, there has there has to be a revolution in that how revolutions happen Yeah, I mean when when conditions worse into a certain degree. Yeah, people go. All right enough is enough We're backed into a corner and they start recognizing that like they're being fucked over But that can also lead to a dangerous path where you know about that But that can also lead to a dangerous path where, you know, Tell me about that.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Well, the dangerous part about that is like if the people are not steered in the right direction to recognize who's actually doing the harm to them, they can be deluded by misinformation and think it's the Jews or think it's fucking... Anthony Bourdain. Or yeah, I think it's Adam Schiff, who's apparently having sex with dead children in their minds or think it's like the Guatemalan immigrant? You know what I mean that motherfucker is not controlling your life He is worse off than you and he has the exact same interest as you just wants to put food in his belly and To have a roof over his head and have a lot of moms that came over the border and stuff

Starting point is 01:24:02 Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean like a Guatemalan immigrant or a Honduran immigrant is not like he's not dominating your life at all. They're not here to do evil They're not here to do bad. They're here to just like work They're fucking pick strawberries all goddamn day so our asses can eat those strawberries cheap as hell You know what I mean? And then we turn around and we're like, yeah, they're all rapists drug dealer murderers We got a fucking purge the country of these people and it's like It's really fucked up How would you um, how do you successfully do something like that then because I think a lot of people is concerned I think here's what happens is you're like, I'm not safe anymore, right and you start to feel

Starting point is 01:24:39 Right. There's people that get that that were raped or killed There was a couple instances where they that they put them on the news right there on the congressional you know they had some of the Trump had him at the victims at the congressional joint congressional hearing right so I think you hear about those things and you're like well yeah you start to what you'll start to apply them to everyone I think she's crazy think about that we say there's 20 million undocumented migrants in this country they come from every part of the planet. I agree, they do, no doubt.

Starting point is 01:25:07 And to think that they're all one collective hive mind that's here to do like evil rapes and shit is psychotic. I'm like, bro, like they don't even speak each other's language. Like what are you talking about? Like they have no unified hive mind here, but you basically learn to think that way. You learn to hate in that regard. And I think the media plays a big role in this, like right-wing media specifically. you basically learn to think that way. You learn to hate in that regard. And I think the media plays a big role in this, like right-wing media specifically. Is it hate though, you think?

Starting point is 01:25:30 Cause it's like, I just fear. Okay, so, cause to me it's like, have a fucking organized system. If I go to a, dude, I went to Canada a couple days ago. It was heck, it was heck getting in and out of there. It's heck getting out of there. It's super organized. You know, it's like, but we should, it just,

Starting point is 01:25:49 cause here's the thing, if you don't know who's in your country, then you can't do a correct census. You can't allocate things correctly to people. You can't know who needs what in certain areas. That's why they also factor on knocking the migrants into the census as well. But if they're fearful of the federal government, if they're fearful of the federal government, if they're fearful of the federal government,

Starting point is 01:26:05 they're not gonna open the door for a census guy. That's part of the reason why sanctuary cities began to begin with. It was actually advocated for, this is something that, this is old lore, people don't even know this at this point because everybody thinks like, oh, sanctuary cities is woke, libtard bullshit. Bro, it was the fucking cops and the FBI

Starting point is 01:26:21 that was advocating for sanctuary cities. Why? Because whenever a murder or some kind of like violence happened in an undocumented neighborhood cops would come in and nobody would talk to them. So they were like don't worry. Say that part one more time so people can hear. That's important. I never knew that.

Starting point is 01:26:38 Sanctuary cities initially were proposed by law enforcement because they realized that whenever there was violence or like you know drug dealing or a murder that took place in an area where the witnesses were undocumented migrants they wouldn't talk to the cops because they were fearful that if they talked to the cops they were gonna get fucking deported so in order to open up more collaboration and actually solve crimes like rape murder and all these other like violent crimes they were like we have to tell Every undocumented market like we're not gonna arrest you. We're not gonna collaborate with ice or INS at the time before ice existed

Starting point is 01:27:14 We are we're just here to serve you as public servants And that was the reason why it was law enforcement that initially suggested sanctuary cities. It wasn't like woke activists or whatever that initially suggested sanctuary cities. It wasn't like woke activists or whatever. And it's so interesting that like now Republicans say, use that as a catch-all term to be like, oh, you're letting criminals go basically. That's what they make it seem like. That's what they imply.

Starting point is 01:27:36 Bring that up. How did sanctuary cities get started? That's fascinating, man. Sanctuary city policies were not originally proposed by law enforcement. But they've come to support them for public safety reasons. In the 1980s when churches in the United States provided refuge for individuals escaping civil unrest in El Salvador, Sanctuary City specifically emerged from protests against federal immigration

Starting point is 01:27:56 policies that denied asylum to refugees. However, many law enforcement officials, including police chiefs, have advocated for sanctuary policies. They argue that these policies help build trust. These policies help build trust between immigrant communities and local law enforcement. This trust is crucial for encouraging immigrants to report crimes and cooperate with police investigations. Sanctuary policies allow police to focus on local priorities and prevent crimes. Wow, that's interesting, man. I wonder though...

Starting point is 01:28:19 What's that? I'm sorry? What is it, AI Surgeon or some shit? What is this? Yeah, this is perplexity, but they have all the sites Sources cited. All right. I think it's interesting then though. I wonder how many cities then jumped on it as a on even on the Democratic side to say like Or left side whatever you want to call it, but like to say oh I better be a part of this now if I want My voters to then vote for me I'm saying like so sometimes like it the sometimes the political kickball gets created one way, but it also gets used in a field in another way.

Starting point is 01:28:49 Well, it's not. I'm not saying one is right or wrong or anything. I don't think it's a bad thing anyway, because I'm an active amnesty advocate. I think if, first of all, this is a civil offense. Amnesty. Crossing the border is a civil offense. Right.

Starting point is 01:29:04 And you have a five-year period where if you haven't done any crimes, like the statute of limitation is over. Now there's different legal, there are different legal interpretations of this, and people go back and forth on it. But like, the way I think about it is like, if a dude is in here, and they're working, right? And they're not trying to do a, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:23 they're not here to do evil shit they're not here to do evil shit. They're here to just simply work. Give him documentation. The difference between an undocumented migrant and a documented one is just a piece of paper, is paperwork. Process these people and allow them to contribute to our coffers in more meaningful ways,

Starting point is 01:29:41 because they already pay taxes, but they could be paying more taxes as well. Do you know how they're gonna pay taxes if they're undocumented? Yeah, because they already pay taxes, but they could be paying more taxes as well. Do they pay taxes if they're undocumented? Yeah, because they still, I think they still pay into Social Security because they have to get a Social Security number, some sort of Social Security number, they pay for sales taxes, things of that nature,

Starting point is 01:29:56 you know what I mean? Like there's a bunch of different contributions they make and they can't take advantage of any of the government programs anyway. That's why a lot of Republicans lie. They'll be like, oh, undocumented migrants are stealing our social safety nets. And I'm over here like, what social safety nets do we have? We don't have health care.

Starting point is 01:30:17 Are they taking advantage of health care that we don't have? They don't have, they don't have healthcare. The thing is, Republicans will literally factor in their natural born US citizen children into the equation to be like, see they're sending their children to public schools. It's like, bro, that's an American citizen. Right, the child is an American citizen. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:40 One in 15 households in this country is a mixed status household. One in 15. Oh yeah, you you can't even I mean you fucking Everybody's mixed now. It feels like mixed status like as in one parent is Undocumented like a non-citizen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it's probably Mexican a lot of times I would bet and that's just even my Mexican friends are always like, you know, my uncle's in the back or whatever They'll say, you know, and I don't say anything, but it's like, you know, I think it's interesting.

Starting point is 01:31:08 It's interesting like what things get, how things get framed, right, by the media, how things get used, how things like, even programs like Sanctuary City, how does it then get manipulated and used as like a negative thing or as a thing where one party feels like well, I better declare as this or I'm going to be out of the money, whatever the next thing is like.

Starting point is 01:31:30 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely an incentive structure among politicians to advocate for certain things, but ultimately I don't really care what the incentive structure is if the if the legislation is good, if it's a good thing. If Trump were to do a good thing, I would advocate for it as well, you know what I mean? Do you think that's true? Cause it seems like- I have, in the past when Trump, last time he was president, when he basically said,

Starting point is 01:31:54 I'm gonna back away from this North Korea, South Korea shit and I'm gonna let you guys handle it on your own. And in the process, he actually reduced the military campaigns that were taking place around the Korean peninsula to allow these two countries to talk to one another. It's one country technically that we fucking cut in half, but that's a long history lesson I'm not going to get into. North Korea and South Korea?

Starting point is 01:32:17 Yeah. And that was an objectively good thing. Like I said it at the time, I was like, and Rachel Maddow was very mad. He was like, oh, you're doing this because you love Vladimir Putin or whatever the fuck but like no that was not a bad thing like Let these guys hash it out and and let them let them rebuild their nation, you know, why the fuck are we? Like why do we have you know 80,000 100,000 troops stationed all the time, you know, yeah I mean

Starting point is 01:32:44 Yeah, it feels alarming. It feels like you have to have this military thing. I think one thing that I noticed last night was like The military has had a tough time getting recruits, right? Yeah recruits recruitment has been down yeah, and so part of me always wonders will like Or the did the powers that be then want the Republicans to be in office because they know that eventually, if people are believing more in their country again, it will incite more recruitments.

Starting point is 01:33:14 I'm not saying that that's the truth, but you just start to wonder, what the fuck is really going on? I'll tell you what made recruitment numbers explode. Does that make sense to you though? I mean, I know where you're coming from, but what made recruitment numbers explode initially was that make sense to you though? I mean, I know where you're coming from, but what made recruitment numbers explode initially was 9-11.

Starting point is 01:33:27 That's it. People joined after 9-11 and after 20 years of just like going out there and guarding like poppy fields and getting your dick blown off by some fucking dude who's hated you because you invaded his country when he was like 14 and probably killed his cousin. You know, after 20 years of doing that, everyone was like, oh this shit sucks. We kind of lost it here, huh? Like we did a Vietnam in Afghanistan and we had to pull out. So and that was a good thing objectively. I think it's good that we pulled out of Afghanistan, but I think that's the real reason why people are like, why the fuck would I join the military?

Starting point is 01:34:05 I can't even get a fucking charger anymore, you know? They- A Dodge Charger? The Dodge Chargers, or was it the Camaro? Were they giving those out? They were, that's the common military car. Oh, that's true. You sign off on one of those, the worst loan of all time.

Starting point is 01:34:20 Oh yeah, dude, I would- And then your high school sweetheart is fucking the neighbor while you're out there. Sometimes I mean yeah. While you're out there jerking off in a fucking bunker in Korengal. But some dudes jerking off on you or whatever and you guys are changing each other's names after 8 p.m. or whatever and shit I think shit gets pretty melodic out there. That's what I mean. You're like why the fuck are you doing that and then you come back and the the American

Starting point is 01:34:44 government's like, all right, we'll give you health care. But now you're busted. You need it desperately. And they're like, all right, we'll pay for your college. OK, you go to college. You get a communications degree. Now you're, you know, six years behind the rest of your your counterparts and you're in the same shit ass job market

Starting point is 01:35:04 working, sucking the man's dick every day, working at a dead end job that you despise. Yeah, or you baby, you know. And you're fucked up. And now every time you go to the grocery store to pick out cereal, you're having a crisis like a mental health episode. It's fucked up. Well, a lot of people will also go into the military, learn some patterns that help them

Starting point is 01:35:24 to achieve well. My buddy Josh was in for a while, he got out, and now he's able to be a good business owner just because he learned, you know, he got up in the morning, you know, it just, it helped him have some regiment. Yeah, no, for sure. I don't think that regiment is bad. I'm a very regimented person.

Starting point is 01:35:37 I just think that the military's output overall is, you know, you're just sending poor people from different parts of the country overseas Overall is is you know you're just sending poor people from different parts of the country Overseas to go dominate some other poor people so that rich people in fucking California can make more money so the Raytheon can send more missiles and and make more missiles and and You got to use those missiles when you make them you know if you don't use it you lose it. Yeah Yeah, oh your missiles are going yeah You know, if you don't use it, you lose it. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:03 Oh, your missiles are going, yeah. There's, somebody said there was an email one time that like, oh, your missiles are expiring soon. You should use them. It's like, what the fuck? But they do that. They, any, if you got homies who were active duty, they'll tell you like, you just dump so much money

Starting point is 01:36:20 because they know that like, it's gonna go bad. Yeah. Like you just fucking shoot it out into the sea if you're in the Navy. You gotta pop that bitch off, get out there. After lunch today, we're gonna fire a couple of these off at an island. You're like, that's an island. Like nobody's there. Yeah, you're dumping payload into an island that is more than your salary times 10 because it's gonna go bad.

Starting point is 01:36:43 How is that not waste wasting fraud and abuse? Why the fuck are they not working on that? My argument always is this, the American military is a jobs program. That's what it is. It's the, I think it's the second largest hiring body in the country after Walmart. If I'm not mistaken, it might be the largest. And I think instead of making those guys, you know, making these corn-fed boys from Arkansas go out and, you know, force them to eat MREs all

Starting point is 01:37:12 goddamn day and be constipated for a fucking week, make them build shit, you know? Make them build shit in America. It's a jobs program, who cares? Make the output be good rather than bad That is what my argument is the world's biggest employers Ministry of Defense US Department of the idea The Indian Ministry of Defense is the largest and then the world's second largest employer I guess the US Department of Defense is bigger than Walmart Walmart and Amazon. That's a great point I think and maybe and you know, I wish I knew more of what some of those groups did a lot of times.

Starting point is 01:37:46 With the military? Yeah, but I agree with you. It's like, I agree the fact that why are, why does the voter, why does the gun carrier, the water carrier, you're always at this, it's a caste system really in a lot of ways. It is. Those are the people having to do the bidding

Starting point is 01:38:03 of these elites, you know, of these countries and stuff like that. But then at a certain point, it's like, do I decide this is my, what, what, what integrity or what do I want to have inside of myself when I'm doing that? I could be all day like, fuck, I don't want to be doing this. This country's a piece of shit or whatever. Or I can have pride in what I'm doing no matter what in the spot that I'm existing in, in this sort of strata, right?

Starting point is 01:38:28 And I stand up for my country and it's just, as we get more information, it's just, it's fascinating how things change. I just want, like I- Or how things you learn more. I don't hate people. I just want them to have better lives. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:38:43 Even people that I disagree with vehemently, like, I always stress this point where I say Medicare for all means for everybody, right? Even if you're a fucking Nazi, you're gonna get healthcare. Even if you don't want healthcare, I'm gonna fucking give you that healthcare. I don't give a shit, okay? You can cry about it all day, every day.

Starting point is 01:38:58 It's just, and I think that's the attitude that other people are supposed to have in this process too. Like, there's gotta be a universality to these proposals because, like, I think we got to do right by others, and we are not doing that right now. The American government is not doing that at every step of the process. And that's why the military is a great example of this, you know?

Starting point is 01:39:20 We're just using and abusing these dudes and making them do a whole lot of awful shit overseas so that some rich asshole can make more money you know and then they're broken in that process they come back there's no there's no way of like repairing them and we basically lie to them too we're like oh yeah you'll get a you'll get a great job you'll go to college you'll be able to uplift yourself and it's like that should be available without you having to serve in the military Yeah, but if that was available if free college existed if free healthcare existed go to the military

Starting point is 01:39:51 No fucking buddy is going to the military. Why the fuck would you do that? Let's get some real gunners. Let's see. That's some cool call of duty for dance modern warfare But I mean, yeah, those guys are but But I'm saying you would still have some. Yeah, you would, but it wouldn't be this... It wouldn't be significantly lower. It wouldn't be this system that gets kind of manipulated and used. That's why they don't want to fix it though. That's why they don't want to get free healthcare.

Starting point is 01:40:18 But that's why they don't want to fix so many things. And that's why I'm saying we learn more. As we learn more about it, you start to see some of the clarity. Or some of... You learn more, as we learn more about it, you start to see some of the clarity or some of, you learn more, you have more information. But then how do I operate still when I have that more information? Like do, you know, it's tough

Starting point is 01:40:32 because if I become a nihilist or, you know, so then I'm miserable, my day to day is miserable. You know, and I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying it's how do we manage in those spaces as we learn more. I'm fairly tapped into all of the the shortcomings of the American government and yet I enjoy myself. I mean I still I still jerk off before I go to sleep. I still watch anime. I play basketball. I focus on myself. I think

Starting point is 01:41:01 like there are certain things that you have control over and that is your own body, right? Your your immediate friends and your family and you should actively work on those things to to basically not lose sight of your own humanity because it's easy to get lost in the sauce in the everyday cruelty that you that you recognize is happening all around. And it makes you go crazy. And in order to combat that, I always urge people to engage in self-improvement. Set goals for yourself and try to achieve them. That's at least how I've always managed this stuff.

Starting point is 01:41:37 And also being around other people who aren't immediately agreeing to your worldview. Like I love parks for that reason. I love third spaces. Parks and recreation? I mean, like literal public parks. Oh, yeah, dude. There's a fucking, there's a band, not a band, there's some homeless guys, stole, I guess, a band's high school equipment during COVID over by the, there's a park behind my apartment. And you could hear them sometimes practicing and like three or four a.m., they get a couple dudes tuned up in a tent or whatever. And I mean, I'm not gonna lie,

Starting point is 01:42:00 I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, over by the, there's a park behind my apartment. And you could hear them sometimes practicing in like three or four a.m. They get a couple dudes tuned up in a tent or whatever. And you could hear them, what song were they playing for a while? Oh.

Starting point is 01:42:14 Burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn. Love the way you lie. Just gonna stand there and watch you burn. I don't know what instruments they had, but it was pretty cool. You know, they got a whole of the sheet music and everything you know but it's like yeah just making the most of where you're at and also our military is there like it keeps us safe if there's flooding if they do a ton of stuff. Yeah the Army Corps engineers like I interviewed a guy. I don't want

Starting point is 01:42:39 people to feel like their lives are in vain. No no. I admire people that go and are willing to put their years of lives into anything. Trump is firing those guys too, by the way, right now. The Army Corps of Engineers is like what you just described. When there's a flooding happening, they build the levees, they build the bridges, right? Trump literally is firing those people too. It's crazy. Why is he doing it?

Starting point is 01:42:59 Is it because he hates the Army Corps of Engineers? No, because he doesn't give a shit. That's my point. He doesn't care. He's like, yeah, go, Elon. Do whatever you need to do. Fire these probationary employees. Nobody knows what probationary means.

Starting point is 01:43:11 So they think, oh, it's good. It's good that we're downsizing a little bit. It's like, no, dude, you're going to start slowly but surely five years down the line. You're going to start noticing that things are just not working. Air traffic control is a great example of this since the Reagan era. Like the numbers of air traffic controllers, even though air traffic has increased, the number of air traffic controllers have not kept up with the increase of air traffic.

Starting point is 01:43:39 So you got towers where there's like one dude. There's gotta be like 30 dudes in that tower. I don't want the fucking plane, I don't want planes to crash. You know what I mean? Or probably more of them have started to work in, if that's true, is there less FAA people? No, there's probably more FAA people, especially with like TSA and whatnot, but I'm saying that it hasn't matched up to the rate of air, like there's more planes in the sky is what I'm saying. When there's more planes in the sky,

Starting point is 01:44:08 you need more air traffic controls. Or cut the FAA helps support an air safety union. President Donald Trump's administration has said, no one at the federal FAA with a critical safety position has been fired as it cuts the federal workforce. Some FAA jobs were eliminated, had directorals in supporting safety inspectors and airport operations, according to their union and former employees.

Starting point is 01:44:29 This is another way that they lie, by the way, and Karen Bass did this with the LA wildfires, where she was like, oh, we didn't actually cut the LA FD budget. They did. They cut the support budget. But when you cut the support budget, yeah, sure, you're not cutting the actual firefighters, right?

Starting point is 01:44:44 But you're not reducing their numbers. But when you cut the support staff, yeah, sure, you're not cutting the actual firefighters, right? But you're not reducing their numbers. But when you cut the support staff budget, you're cutting mechanics. When you cut the mechanics and your fucking fire engine is busted, you send it over and it just sits in a goddamn yard for months because now there's no fucking mechanics to fix the goddamn car. So all of a sudden you're down one fire engine. It's all, it all works together. I'm curious to see because Trump's making, you know, and there's so many like executive

Starting point is 01:45:09 orders and things right out of the gate and there's so much focus on him by the media too. But I'm curious to see if some of these things turn out to help long term. There's no way. I'm hopeful that they are, you know, like I'm hopeful that, you know, if they're going to cut Medicare or Medicaid, that it's also I'm hopeful that if they're gonna cut Medicare or Medicaid, that it's also because they have the, they're gonna make price transparency from hospitals. And so then there won't be, the expenses won't be as high.

Starting point is 01:45:36 I'm hoping that there's some long-term strategy to a lot of his ideas. The same thing with Gaza and Israel. I don't know if there is, it seems seems I don't like it, but I'm sure Trump is a major Israel dick rider. He's not he's not changing that I think I can't you couldn't find 30 of these people that aren't It feels like yeah, no, especially in the American government. It's really really awful. They yeah I Want things to get better and I hope it does but the reason why I say I'm

Starting point is 01:46:05 Certain that it won't is because like of what you just mentioned right 800 billion dollars of Medicare and Medicaid that I want to cut Mike Johnson goes on stage says I Goes on Caitlin Collins on CNN and says oh, there's a lot of fraud happening There's not fraud happening in Medicare and Medicaid on the point of the recipient, right? It's happening on the point of the providers. And that's why I got banned recently on Twitch yesterday. Because Libs- I saw you got banned and I saw you just got back.

Starting point is 01:46:31 Yeah, Libs at TikTok was like posting about how I said something and they misconstrued it as though it was a call to action to assassinate a sitting US Senator. Because I said to Mike Johnson Johnson because I was listening to him back and forth I said like if Mike Johnson actually cared about Medicare fraud he would tackle Medicare fraud happening at the point of the providers but he's obvious that he doesn't care about Medicare fraud because if he did

Starting point is 01:46:58 care about Medicare fraud he would kick Rick Scott who is responsible for the? historic 1.7 billion dollars worth of Medicare fraud and is he still working the bro? He's he he was a He was a corporate executive at HCA at the time in the 90s the DOJ came after him And and he basically quit his job. He got a 10 million dollar compensation package after doing 1.7 billion dollars in the private sector and then came and worked in the private sector. He got 300 million dollars in stock options. Didn't see a fucking moment of jail time for that, okay? And

Starting point is 01:47:39 then now and then he became Florida governor and now he's a fucking Florida senator and he's a prominent figure in the Republican party. I think he was like the head of their fundraising or some shit. I forget what his position in the Trump campaign in the Republican party is beyond the fact that he's a senator. I don't know if they should allow people to go from one to the other. From private to public, you know what I'm saying? Because obviously there's conflicts of interest when people do that sort of thing you know oh for sure

Starting point is 01:48:07 I mean that's one aspect but I agree with you I agree it's like that guy should be in jail like that's what I think yeah I think if you do 1.7 billion dollars in Medicare fraud you should be in fucking jail like what are we talking about I shouldn't be a Republican senator from Florida. Yeah, it says right here, Rick Scott's role in the Columbia HCA scandal. In 2003, Rick Scott's company, Columbia HCA, the largest private hospital chain in the US, was found guilty of defrauding Medicare.

Starting point is 01:48:34 The company was forced to pay 1.7 billion a settlement. That was the largest medical fraud fine in US history at the time. Scott, who was the CEO, left the company with a $10 million severance package after the scandal. 300 300 million stock options too Wow So do you start to wonder so this was when he was in the private sector right? Yeah, so it's yeah

Starting point is 01:48:52 What's gonna be different if a guy comes over from that private sector to the public sector should it's this like the richest congressperson? By the way is he really yeah fuck that man. Give us some fucking money I think people should only be able to have a certain amount of money. Um Yeah, I mean look I don't I don't necessarily care about how much money people have I care about how they make their money But no, I agree. How does this guy how do you keep like this LeBron James, right? 50,000 points he crossed over that boundary 20 plus years of dominance in the league

Starting point is 01:49:24 He gets paid a wage over that boundary, 20 plus years of dominance in the league. He gets paid a wage. He's a, what is known as one of the few people is like a wage billionaire, basically. If he makes that kind of money, that means he's making somebody else a fuck ton more money, right? And I don't mind that he's getting paid these big bucks, partially because he's my goat and I love him. And I think he deserves it.

Starting point is 01:49:47 But also partially because he's not making that by hiring people and then forcing them to work to the bone. He does have businesses, he's also obviously an owner of capital as well. So he does capital accumulation as well. But ultimately, I just want people to be comfortable and I think that if you are working a job, like you should be able to have a house.

Starting point is 01:50:12 You should be able to live comfortably. And it doesn't matter what job it is. You could be picking up trash. I think that's still obviously valuable. It's worthwhile. Also, I guess sanitation is one of the worst examples because they do have pretty solid unions. Yeah, we had a garbage man on who was awesome, man. My buddy Wayne, he's got a podcast now called Trash Talk. But yeah, yeah, they do pretty well. But

Starting point is 01:50:35 then what about LeBron's companies if they're buying shirts from another country? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that labor there and those people, that guy's sleeping on a tricycle seat at night. So he has to be at work again in the morning so that part I that's what I'm saying that part I don't agree with like but I'm saying if he was just making you know all of his money from just ballin and he's getting a wage like who cares you know I don't have an issue with that especially if the if the hold on I got open my door sorry I got I got FedEx at the door and it's raining I feel bad oh it's raining out there huh yeah I got it I did the door and it's raining. I feel bad. Oh, it's raining out there, huh? Yeah

Starting point is 01:51:06 I got it. I did it. I did it. We brought him inside. Um We know who sent the rain in probably too. What the the weather machine? the oh the Jews That's what I say do it the Jews come for me, I'll be like, I'm illegal. So see, see like, this is, this is another example of like, you know, you could normal under normal circumstances, you can make this joke, but then like, then there's motherfuckers who really believe it.

Starting point is 01:51:38 When there's like dudes who are like, no, you're, Marjorie Taylor Greene was talking about how they have a weather machine. She wasn't saying Jews, but she was like They have a weather machine. It's really rich enough. Say you were rich enough like a Mike Not Mike Jones, whatever that's that rapper, but I'm thinking of Bill Gates, right? Uh-huh. If you had enough money, bro, you would fucking get it and some guys like look for one bill. I'll get you a well weather machine We'll get you like I'd get that bitch in a heartbeat dude. Imagine. You're sitting at home. You're having your coffee

Starting point is 01:52:10 You're like, all right Detroit. Fuck you guys. Here's seven inches, right? Here's seven white inches It's really the only way that frickin a white guy can give seven to ten white inches anymore It's by pressing that weather button. It's Bill Gates pressing that weather button Is Bill Gates pressing the weather button Pressing the weather button But no man, I think it's um Would you have had Trump come on your show? But, yeah

Starting point is 01:52:33 First of all, thankfully we can still joke around about stuff And we can have a sense of humor Imagine if we didn't as individuals have a sense of humor If we, that would be I agree with you That would be the saddest. I agree with you. I love comedy. You know, Bill Burr is my goat.

Starting point is 01:52:51 Yeah, dude. I think he is, you know, I mean, you're a comedian as well. I'm obviously very good friends with Stavie as well. I know you always let go with him. But the thing. He mailed me some cookies his mother made him. Oh dude, me too, yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:05 When he was out here, I ate all of it. Oh, you didn't like them? I know I liked them. I'm just sad that they're bipartisan snacks he's sending out. But no, I'm joking. Damn! I'm joking, no.

Starting point is 01:53:15 It was so sweet of him. It was just, only friend of mine that did that. Very sweet of him. Did he also? He's like, my mother wants to see those. Did he also shill his fucking calendars his naked calendars Those those shits have been sitting on my desk every time I'll have like bro, I'll have like, you know prominent figures like activists and shit at my

Starting point is 01:53:37 At my house and I'm interviewing them like there was Mota's Aziza. I'm interviewing him He literally survived the genocide is a photojournalist from Gaza and fucking Stavis naked body is just sitting there on the fucking desk. I'm like, oh my god like It's fucked up. It's fucked up being friends with Stavis fucked up. That's why you can't trust the Greeks Oh now that look finally Turkish man, you're both both let me tell you both side Alright, yeah bipartisan ship on that front for you cannot trust these Greeks Yeah, the third month of his calendar is Gorgon Zola or whatever. I'm like this seems like fuck It was like January, February, March, April

Starting point is 01:54:17 Baklava June, July. I'm like that seems that's the other thing. Yeah, but you and stealing my people's food saying it's his Oh, that's right. The dog was Turkish bro. It's Turkish. We got it. Stealing my people's food, saying it's his. Oh, that's right. That's Turkish, bro. It's Turkish. We'll talk about that next time. Would you have Trump won if he would podcast with you? Do you feel like you're that far removed from getting to talk to guys like that? No. No, I mean, I've talked... I mean, you talked to Sanders. I don't even know why I said that. I talked to Bradley Martin multiple times after. I mean, he, like, I'm not above, like, going on,

Starting point is 01:54:48 you know, right-wing podcasts. I'm not above talking to people who've talked to Trump, because I think, like, I don't care about, like, the partisanship angle of this at all. I want to be able to communicate to people exactly where the problems are and why people like Trump, just like people like Kamala, are not the perfect solution to any of these issues. And I would talk to Trump, I just don't think he would come on my stream. Like, because

Starting point is 01:55:16 he is, at the end of the day, he wants to go on a show where they're not gonna like, you know, push back too much, right? He wants to come across as like, he wants to be humanized and he wants to come across as like a personal, a personality that is not devoid of charisma and he's very telegenic. It was actually my turning point when I listened to him and you talk about cocaine. When you were talking about doing coke and he was genuinely expressing interest in it, I was like, oh fuck, this motherfucker's gonna win, dude.

Starting point is 01:55:50 This podcast shit is working so good. Because first he did the Aiden Ross thing and that was like a bit of a dud. Yeah, because that was kind of weird. Because that just didn't work out at all because it wasn't like a normal conversation. Well, it didn't feel kind of planned. Yeah, exactly. Like they wanted to do a like something like let's do some social video. I was like I don't want to do something like that. Yeah, like the whole dancing and stuff in front of the cyber truck with a photo of him getting shot.

Starting point is 01:56:12 I didn't love that either. Like that stuff, it didn't work at all, but then I saw your podcast and I was like oh my god this motherfucker, this motherfucker is gonna win the goddamn presidency. But he didn't come, I mean they didn't ask for any edits, you know? That was the thing, they didn't say like we need to see this they didn't fucking have you guys have a good day Yeah, but that's also because like you're not but I'm also not a political guy like yeah This is a trap I fell into recently because you because you talked to Bernie Sanders like a week before no yeah That's that's what I mean, so it's like

Starting point is 01:56:42 You're not you're not gonna like hit him on shit. You're not gonna hit him on like stuff that he has no answer for. Well, because I think my goal is to find... It's not a goal, but I just want to get to know people kind of, right? Mm-hmm. And I realized, I fell in this trap recently. I thought that just because I had some political people on last year that I knew about politics. I do not. That was a trap. Even my own ego was like, oh, maybe I know something about politics. I don't know, shit, now I have some ideas.

Starting point is 01:57:07 I know what it feels like to be kind of like, I feel like just a pretty regular person. And then, I don't know, I try to find empathy here and there and figure things out, but, and I'm learning a lot. I've definitely learned a lot more than I knew two years ago, for sure. But then to think that I, like, you know, I have to be careful not to like smoke moan

Starting point is 01:57:25 nuts or whatever it's called where it's like you just both you know just because I had some politics on now I'm fucking you know Jim Rome or somebody or you know like a you know I'm like a Malcolm X yeah yeah yeah so yeah but anyway, but no dude, I like your attitude, I like your charisma, I like that, I wanted to talk a little bit more about, I know you have a program where you like, try to co-op and put money back in a things that mean

Starting point is 01:57:56 something to you. My podcast is a cooperative corporation, so like, everyone has equal say, equal pay. And there are different formations to that, like you don't have to make it equal pay, but I just thought it would be the best possible way to go about it. But most importantly, aside from the equal pay,

Starting point is 01:58:12 the equal say part is really important. We get together, and if someone has an obligation, they're not showing up, it's fine. We make do. We figure it out as we go along. And I think that's how you get the most successful business, like for sure. That's something that I stand by.

Starting point is 01:58:32 And we still obviously have to hire contractors every now and then too. Yeah, for sure. And we could get together another time and talk about business strategy and things like that. I think it'd be interesting. But yeah, I just wanted to just- And yeah, we do a lot of fundraising.

Starting point is 01:58:44 Like the other day, I had wanted to just uh then yeah, we do a lot of fundraising like the other The other day I had the no other land the the Palestinians who made the documentary about like their lives Yeah, I had them. Yeah, I had them on my I had him on my house like I they rolled up deep They had like ten people like the whole family was there. No other friends. That's what I say Fuck it. We invite it to you guys. Yeah, they I mean they also like straight up came from, you know, occupied Palestinian territory. Like they flew into America. And, and you know, we were chilling, we were just like talking about, talking about their experiences. And I interviewed them, and then in the process, like the organization that actually brought them here, who works with, you know, a lot of Palestinians on the ground, like they were like, oh, can you share this link

Starting point is 01:59:32 to fundraise? So I did and we we in the hour long interview that we did we fundraised a hundred thousand dollars now is sitting at a hundred and thirty five thousand but like that's the type of stuff that I love being able to do because like I feel so powerless a lot of times when I see all of this death and destruction. And I feel like it's a meaningful way to be able to help to, to, you know, actively fundraise, uh, gives myself and a lot of people that watch me the opportunity to say like, you know, at least we're trying to do something, anything, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:00:04 So I try to do that to the best of my ability. We've fundraised for Palestinian aid organizations to the tune of, I think like almost, more than $3 million at this point since October 7. Wow. Yeah. Dude, yeah, I appreciate you even saying that because I think that's something

Starting point is 02:00:21 I need to hear more about. It's on my brain and heart a lot. We started a foundation last year, but haven't started to figure out like what to do with the money or what exactly to do, you know? Like I would like to create a business that like, I thought about like water, like you're selling water, but the money goes towards rehab for people that suffer from opioid addiction, you know, that sort of thing. Just so it's like using something that everybody needs but the finally the proceeds it only goes towards This thing there's not even a profit. You know, it's like this is what it's for. Yeah But I need to be more I've done that in the past to like my like I have merch Mm-hmm, and it's us made Union made and obviously the margins are incredibly slim for that reason American giant

Starting point is 02:01:02 Is that dude does your merger knows it? No, it's Bayside, is my garment manufacturer, my garment provider. It's one of the only union shops that is garment manufacturer in the country that can keep up with the demand that we have. Because there's a shit ton of people that are buying. The t-shirts are like, and sometimes I'll just, I will fundraise by saying all the proceeds,

Starting point is 02:01:26 like every single point of profit is directly going to a labor union. Like, I gave the Amazon labor union, I think it was like $170,000 or something like that, off of just that. We fundraised, like, I think around- Over Amazon packaging? The Amazon labor union, yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:43 Like, the people that work at the distribution facilities. Another thing I did this past year was for, I don't know how to say the name correctly, but RISE, it's an organization that works with undocumented migrants in Texas specifically. And they give them translators and lawyers, and they pay for lawyer fees and stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:02:07 So I'm actively working on fundraising initiatives like that because I feel like there's a lot of stories that don't get told in mainstream media. That's why I interviewed the incarcerated firefighters that were combating the wildfires in LA. You know there's prisoners that the wildfires in LA. You know there's prisoners that fight wildfires, right? Oh, they send prisoners out to fight them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's like a training program and stuff.

Starting point is 02:02:31 I'm working with an organization to go and actually see them at their prison, their training camp. Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah. That's so creative, man. Yeah, that's, yeah, I'm glad you say these things. Because, yeah, it's just stuff that I can remember

Starting point is 02:02:49 to try to focus more on. Yeah, because everybody, that's the crazy thing. It's like everybody at every point of something, most people need support, right? Or they need some kind of support. They need an ear, they need a blanket, they need a mouthful of, or they need some of the support they need an ear they need a blanket they need a mouthful of People they need a friend, you know every it's um There's a lot of ways to be a part of the world, you know, yeah and always to try and find

Starting point is 02:03:15 a corner Where you can express care? Some piker. Thanks so much, dude. I'd love to chat again sometime I know we didn't get to cover, uh, you know, some stuff we did, but I just appreciate it, man. I think, um, yeah, I just think it's important to that, that, that people just get together and talk about stuff, you know? Uh, I wish I'd have been able to like kind of like have probably some stronger

Starting point is 02:03:39 political conversation with you. Some of that stuff I don't have as strong of a knowledge base in, but, um, but I admire you, dude, and I admire the way you operate, and I really appreciate your time today. All right, thanks for having me, man. This was great. I'm sorry I have to go stream for so long, too, dude. No, I love it. The things that I just told you in the last three minutes is exactly why I love what I do,

Starting point is 02:04:00 because I have a giant community with a big heart, and I think that that is what makes everything worth it. Because like I said, there will be people swearing up and down that I'm the worst person that you've ever met, no matter where I go. It's just noise. It's mostly people that are online that doesn't like translate the real

Starting point is 02:04:26 world experiences at all. But in spite of all of that, in spite of like people constantly working to actively smear me to say I'm anti-semitic or I love terrorism or whatever the fuck with clips out of context and all this shit, at the end of the day I get to make an impact and that's how I sleep soundly at night, you know? Yeah. Where I know that all of this is worth it. Why did Jewish friend recommend you to me? Who's the Jewish friend that recommended you?

Starting point is 02:04:55 About podcasting, they said do not name them. Oh damn. No they didn't, that part I made up, but I'll just protect their anonymity, but it just, you know what I'm saying, like just, it's like people, I think people, I don't know. We're all trying. I think, yeah, I have a neat community too

Starting point is 02:05:11 that I feel like wants to do stuff that's important in the world. And we're all trying to figure out how, you know? But yeah, I just, I see that light in you, man. And I appreciate you coming and sharing your time with us today, I really do. All right, thanks for having me. You bet, man. of my life out I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take a little

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