This Past Weekend - E573 Morgan Wallen

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Starting point is 00:01:09 He's the East Tennessee Elvis, baby. You know what he is. I mean, he's so prolific. He's very competitive and I admire his attention to detail. Today's guest is one of a kind Mr. Morgan Wallace. Yeah dude, good to see you, bro. Good to see you too, man. Yeah, it's awesome, man.

Starting point is 00:01:47 What's been going on? Yeah, my mom was visiting for my birthday. We went to the Opry. You did? Yeah. Cool, man. It was cool, dude. Trace Adkins.

Starting point is 00:01:57 Did she come up here a lot or no? No, she hadn't been here since I moved here. It was your birthday? Yeah. Oh, happy birthday. Yeah, thanks, man. When is your birthday? Two days ago, March 19th.

Starting point is 00:02:05 Okay, cool. So. Yeah, my parents are in town as well, but I'm trying to get them to move here, so. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm working on that. That's been going on for the last few weeks now, so we'll see.

Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah. Yeah, dude, your dad's so funny, dude. Yeah, he's the man. He's unreal. Dude, because we went on, what was, we went with, is it Morgan Wallen, the foundation, Morgan Wallen Foundation? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:26 Yeah, during the? Up there in the Greenville area. Yeah, during the flood stuff. Yeah, during Hurricane Helene, yeah. And your dad came, and it was awesome, man. They had the food truck, they had, you know, they were doing food drives, and I met some people up there when we visited the houses and stuff, that was awesome.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Yeah, yeah, that was a cool day, man. It was good. I wish we did stuff like that more Yeah, yeah, that was a cool day, man. It was good. I wish we did stuff like that more often, you know? I guess we could, but. Well, I think that's why, I mean, you have a foundation that can do it when you're not able to do it. For sure. But yeah, I agree with you, I feel it's like.

Starting point is 00:02:54 It feels good to actually get out and do it yourself, you know what I mean? Yeah. It can be a little stressful, you know, you gotta keep it timed up, right, to where you're not sticking around in one place too long and all that stuff, you know, you gotta be a little tact tactful about it, but it's it's uh, it's good

Starting point is 00:03:09 Yeah, and Tony Vitello. Is that it? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he came out. He's the best. Yeah, he's cool, too Man, he's cool. He always helps with with with stuff involved in our foundation and we stay in touch on a regular basis Y'all do yeah, he uh, I tried to invite him to a Bracket the other day. I was like you're probably not allowed to do this, are you? He said, no. OK, all right. I'm in that bracket, baby. I tried to invite him into that bracket.

Starting point is 00:03:35 You and me are tied right now. I think we're in first. Yeah, we are. I saw that. I checked this morning. Dude, one thing that was crazy about your dad, though, he was fasting. Whenever we were doing that.

Starting point is 00:03:45 That's right. He'd been on a 40-day fast. Yeah, he's done that for like as long as I can remember. I remember him like when I was growing up, he would just go and like stay out in the, in the wild, you know, in a tent or something and just drink apple juice or something. I'm like, dude, how is this possible? You know? That doesn't sound like, that sounds like hiding from your wife. Yeah, he needed some space.

Starting point is 00:04:08 Didn't have enough money to get a trailer or something. But that was, I just didn't, because it was crazy because I'd just been looking in a fasting, because people say it like, if you fast, it'll help like eat away the cancer cells that are in your body. So when he was like, I've been on 40 days. Well, they say that that only takes like a couple of days to do that. What you're talking about, right? Yeah. Like if you fast for a couple of days, it'll do that. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. You get past 48 hours. Yeah. I think what he was doing it for was, um,

Starting point is 00:04:36 spiritual purposes. That's what he used to do it for. And that's probably what he's doing it for now. Yeah. A team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells helping them to survive in the harsh environment in and around tumors while improving their cancer fighting ability. But it just blew my mind. I was like, God, this dude's on 40 days. Put this dude back in the Bible. Yeah, I mean, dude, I don't understand how that's physically possible. You know, I pretty much have been for the last little while fast until noon. I'll do my workout and everything in the first part of the day without eating.

Starting point is 00:05:11 But I can't imagine going a whole day without doing it, to be honest. He's got some bandwidth on him, man. Yeah, he's a pretty strong-willed guy. He's always so chipper, dude. Yeah, I'd love to get to hang out with him. That was probably in it. He tells stories showing up in the military and stuff.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Some of that stuff is bonkers. Oh yeah, some of that stuff ain't gonna be repeated on here. He makes me look calm. Dude, that's the crazy part. You start talking to him, you're like, oh, well some of this checks out. For sure it checks out.

Starting point is 00:05:37 We don't need a DNA test in this family. But you said they're moving down here? Yeah, I'm trying to get them to. We'll see how it goes, but I'm working on it. I've been talking to them about it for a while. But you know, just somebody uprooting their entire life to come somewhere, but me and my sister live down here. It's a tricky, you know, it's always tricky

Starting point is 00:05:57 getting stuff like that to happen, but we're working on it. Yeah, that's a lot, man. Is it, I know you have a son, Indio? Indio, yeah. His name's Indigo, but I call him Indy. Indy, right. What's that been like, dude?

Starting point is 00:06:11 Cause that's been probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure. I mean, outside of your, I mean like, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I think- I don't even know how to ask that question. I think it just gets better and better as the older he gets. I mean, it's always been cool,

Starting point is 00:06:22 but you know, when he's four years old now, he'll be five this year. Just the personality that keeps coming out and the relationship that you build. And he's got a little sass on him. He's got a little attitude, which is I like. I like that spunk. Like yesterday, my dad was telling him,

Starting point is 00:06:43 he was trying to get him to eat. It's kind of a task to get him to eat, to sit still long enough to eat, you know? And my dad was like, hey man, if you don't eat, I'm gonna put you in the bedroom, you gotta go to sleep or whatever, you know? I don't know exactly what my dad said to him, but he looked at my dad and he said,

Starting point is 00:06:58 I don't want you to stay here anymore. All day, brother, wow. But I just, I mean, like, it's just hilarious, you know. And you're behind your dad, you're telling him, like, keep telling him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just anything to keep him rocking, but he's a sweetheart, but whenever you get him... Is he? Yeah, oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:18 He's almost too sweet. He's too nice to everyone. Like, people he doesn't know, you know. Like, hey man, we don't like everybody, man. We don't know these people, man. Stranger danger, baby. So I'm trying to teach him a little bit of that. He's wild, definitely.

Starting point is 00:07:32 He emailed me the other day asking me to send him some zens. I was like, dude, you gotta. Yeah, I couldn't believe he figured out how to get a hold of the iPad like that. I'm not really big on letting him sit around with an iPad, but I guess he got my nieces or something. He probably had her send the email, you know? Hey Haven, type this out for me.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Threes or sixes? Does he have a three or six? I just downgraded to the 3's, man. I'm weaning myself off. Are you? I don't know. I might just be putting 2's in. I'm gonna set them up.

Starting point is 00:08:11 That's great, dude. That's just a little bit of mouth math, homie. Yeah, yeah. But you'll see a dude with like 11 3's in. I'm like, bitch, just get a damn 20 or something. That's like Andrew. Oh, your cousin? Yes, yes. He'll have

Starting point is 00:08:25 a multitude in there. He's only on the Citrus though. He's hilarious dude. Well, I'll ask you about him in a little bit, man. Alright. Does your son have like a favorite song of yours or anything? Yeah, it's a song that's not out yet. Like this album that I've been working on, this is the first time where he he's it seems like he's really starting to Put two and two together, you know, yeah I Would come home after I've been writing and I'd show him songs this time This is the first time that he's ever cared, you know

Starting point is 00:08:57 And I was there's a song called eyes are closed on my on my record and I I brought it home that night You know, we wrote it that day and took it home that night. I was just playing. I wasn't really playing it for him. I just had it kinda played in the background because it was my first time hearing the demo of what we had just done that day. And he was in the background. He kinda moseyed on over there

Starting point is 00:09:15 and started being like, ooh, what's this? And then after it was done, he said, I like that song, daddy. Really? And it was like the first time he had ever done that. So it was a special moment for me, something I'll never forget. And he said, play that again. Oh, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:09:28 And I was like, yeah! This song's a hit for me no matter what, you know? So that was the first time I had really seen him like all those, you know, dots start connecting. Yeah, I bet that's special. For a while, he thought that Soul by John Michael Montgomery, he thought that was me singing. He thought he was like, play daddy's fast song. He called it the fast song.

Starting point is 00:09:51 It's open and all the other things are rolling. And he thought that was me singing. I said, damn man. I mean that dude sounds pretty good, but come on. He's just bidding on pigs at his daycare? Yeah, yeah. Probably. Well, I went down to the Grunty County.

Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That dude. He called it the fast song, and I finally broke it to him. I said, that ain't me, dude. Oh, yeah. And the email he sent me, he's like, yeah, you need to listen to my father's hit, Cotton Eye Joe, as well. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Well, we are from Knoxville, you know. He's seen that sign a few times. That checks out man. As you make more music so the new album I'm the Problem mm-hmm as you make more music because you have been so like prolific I think that's the word what does prolific mean? I think that's the right word too. Okay but I don't know if either one of us should be. If there were the dictionary guys? Yeah, I do definitely. It's like a lot. Producing much fruit. Producing much fruit foliage or offspring actually it says.

Starting point is 00:10:54 I ain't been that prolific in that term but yeah. Presenting one plentiful it says. Producing many works. But does it get tougher to like, okay, how do I have, do I not have a song that that sounds that's similar to a song I previous had because when you have so Many songs does that get a little bit tougher? What's that like? Yeah? I think it does you know like has there been a great song that come that's like you guys have put together And then you're like oh, man. It's just a little too close to this or

Starting point is 00:11:21 Well for this album. I feel like I just didn't let it get to that point. At least if I was a part of writing it, you know? I think I can't remember exactly how many ones I was and wasn't a part of writing. But if a song came in as a pitch, I kind of knew immediately. I was like, oh, these people are writing, this might have made my last record. Maybe. Probably not. But you know, it's like, that's what it felt like to me. A lot of the pitches were that.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Yeah, cause I guess people are just going, they don't know where your next step is and who you are. There was a select group of writers that I kind of, you know, told a little bit what I was trying to accomplish, you know, and I feel like that, that really helped me find a certain, one of the sounds of that's on my record. But for me, when I'm writing, I kind of, you know, and I feel like that really helped me find a certain one of the sounds that's on my record. But for me, when I'm writing, I kind of, you know, you can kind of tell from the

Starting point is 00:12:09 idea almost if the song is going to be similar or not, you know, and that was something that was tougher for me because a lot of, you know, a lot of the things that were successful and that were easy in the past were just like whiskey, drinking, you know, like all that stuff, and I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that that's possible, you know, like all that stuff. And I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that that's possible. You know, like there's still some possible ways to get that in there. But I tried to dig deeper, man.

Starting point is 00:12:34 And you know, and a lot of my guys that I write with, we kind of kept the, at least for me, when I was writing, we kept five or six guys, we didn't always write together, but you know, that kind of core group of guys, we all just had a good good sense of what we were shooting for And just trying not to say the same thing that I've said before and you know incorporate new things So I feel like it was harder. You know I had to work harder. Yeah Like what do you mean like finding new angle like drop? Yeah, just finding new angles and just thinking up ideas

Starting point is 00:13:03 You know and there's, you know, or just maybe somebody had an idea and they brought it in and I'm like, well, that's pretty good. But like trying to find a way to make it something different. Sounds like that idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that into making it something that's more unique. So just trying to dig deeper and not just saying,

Starting point is 00:13:25 oh yeah, not just being content with something, you know, just digging deeper. Yeah, just taking it easy. Yeah, just digging deeper. Because you can kind of, yeah, it's funny. I was talking to Charlie Hanson the other night. Dude, that guy, bro, him and Marissa, that is Marissa? Yeah, Marissa, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Bro, they're hilarious, bro. They are hilarious. She's so funny, dude. She kind of keeps him in check, I feel like it's so there are the pairing both of them Cuz he's kind of so kind of rough around the edges like I don't maybe that's a crazy It's not a crazy thing to say about him. No, definitely not. I think he'd probably agree with that. Yeah, he's he's just so he's so real He's just he's pretty blunt guy. Yes. Pretty blunt. Yes, he is. Which I've always loved that about him.

Starting point is 00:14:06 When he first got to town, I guess that was probably... We wrote, if I know me. I mean, I had to be either 17 or 18 when I first met him. Wow. In 2017 or 18, not when I was 17 or 18 years old. He came from LA, so he had like this, I don't know, I guess it's different out there, you know? If it seems like it's like a dick measuring contest

Starting point is 00:14:30 out there, a lot. Well people are probably, yeah, yeah, that could be true. And I think he had brought a lot of that mindset to Nashville, you know, and whenever we were first writing, I'm like, hey man, you know, you ain't gotta be like that, you know, like it ain't like that here, you know? So we we just and I'll give him a hard time when he would be acting like that I'd always you know talk shit and stuff So we just became instant friends like that kind of I can see that a hundred percent. Yeah, okay

Starting point is 00:14:54 What did I say? Oh, he got married right and his wife one night I think that she probably had a cocktail or two and invited me to their wedding right yeah, and I had to work that weekend But I saw pictures you win, I think Hardy win. It looked like a good time. I mean, it was a beautiful wedding, man. I mean, really, really beautiful. It was on an island somewhere. Yeah, an island, Marauder.

Starting point is 00:15:12 It was like, you know, you heard of that show, Bloodline? Oh yeah. It was that compound where that was filmed. Oh damn. So it was legit. God. Yeah, but, and then so when I saw it, I said, hey man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding. He's Yeah, but and then so when I saw him I said, hey man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding.

Starting point is 00:15:27 He's like, well, you know, we weren't really expecting you there. Yeah, I don't know if they're, I was in the damn wedding and I don't know if they was expecting me there. I showed up about an hour before it was supposed to start and left before it was over. But I was proud to be there, man. It was cool. I really appreciated it. It was cool. But he's just like, look man, we don't super know each other that good, he said. But it was so like just the realest shit ever. He's like, and if we become better friends and that happens, then yeah, man, I'd expect you to be at my, you know, if I get divorced or if I renew the vows. I'd expect you to be my divorce in that And I was like dude, you're so right

Starting point is 00:16:05 I was like and it didn't make me want to get to know him more cuz it was like just cutting through the bullshit I love that he's that's a definite That's an accurate way of describing him which I think is probably what makes him a good songwriter too Cuz it's like you got it like if you too much bull. It's like if you can cut through the bullshit yeah, he's he'll definitely tell you like Or if you're if you're on something, he's like, man, that sucks. You know? I mean, I feel like I have a pretty good gauge of what's good and what's not, but it's nice

Starting point is 00:16:34 to have another person in the room who will tell you straight up. Because especially when you do get to this level, people sometimes don't check you the way they should, you know? They'll just let you rock with it and whatever. Damn, dude. No, it's just interesting to hear you say that. I had a guy a few years ago, I had taken out a guy, we went to lunch and he's married and we're both straight,

Starting point is 00:16:57 but we went and had lunch together. Thanks for clarifying, man. But yeah, he's been a manager of some of the most popular comedians over time. And I was talking to him, he goes, well, you kind of have to evolve with your audience. He's like, going back to kind of what you said earlier about like, some people probably present songs to you

Starting point is 00:17:16 that would have been great an album or two ago. It's like, damn, that would have been, but it's like you evolve. Yeah, I mean, you can't blame them. Of course not. You know what I mean? You can't expect them to know what's in your head and what you're gonna do next yeah?

Starting point is 00:17:26 And they only have like the footprints that they've seen you leave it so far make that they can judge on right like I've heard Wasted on you I've heard that two point oh 18,000 times you know in my inbox A lot of them don't even make it to me because it gets snipped before it even gets to me But yeah, I've heard plenty of them. You know, oh, yeah, I understand it but you know, you can't you can't settle like that Yeah, yeah, but you also don't want to go too far Either because then your fans are like, you know, what's He just taking a lot of mushrooms or something, you know, like you can get that guy this man

Starting point is 00:18:04 It's one time he said he goes one thing, one thing you have to evolve with your audience, if you try to hide that you're evolving or that you're growing, because your audience also grows, right? So he's like, if you try, it can be a trap sometimes to try to just fit your current feet back in your old footprints. And I just thought it was interesting to hear somebody say that I'd never really thought about, because sometimes you're like, oh, this worked and I thought it was interesting to hear somebody said I'd never really thought about Because sometimes you're like, oh this worked and I gotta stay right here, but you're not there anymore, you know Yeah, and I mean even if it's just subtle changes, it don't have to be like huge things, you know Yeah, you don't have to come out and do like a Mozart style, right? Right, you know, like my last album I had plenty of trap beats and stuff like that this time. I was like, hey, man

Starting point is 00:18:42 Let's just let's tone that back a little bit. I'm tired, I'm tired of it, I'm tired of hearing it. So if I'm tired of it, they're probably tired of hearing it. You know, so just like certain things that you can still get that same swag or that same, you can accomplish certain things without doing the same exact thing, you know? So it's just simple stuff like that in some cases. Do you feel like you've always had a pretty good like,

Starting point is 00:19:02 instinct about that kind of stuff? Like is that something that you think you really have? Like, you kind of can feel? I like to think so, man. I feel like I can tell when something's getting tired. Yeah. That's a gift, man. Yeah, I guess so.

Starting point is 00:19:16 Maybe God gave me that. I don't know. I've also learned from people in my, you know, that I've been around for the last 10 years who I feel like I've learned from and that have helped me with that as well. I don't think I was just fully just, I think I had a knack for it already,

Starting point is 00:19:31 but I think I've developed it and learned from people as well. Yeah. Yeah. I've always had a tough time, cause I've always been like a do it yourself kind of guy. I feel like I know what I'm doing, I work hard, but then recently I've had to realize I need help more. It's like, I can't always give this guy a hard time.

Starting point is 00:19:50 I need to, you know what I'm saying? I can't always butt up against every wall. Because I'll just do that, it's just my nature. Because I don't want help a lot of times. Yeah, yeah. Man, that shit has been. That's a big deal. Yeah, it's been getting better though recently.

Starting point is 00:20:03 Even just like, just little things. I just started noticing it's getting a little bit better. And the irony is everything's been easier. The more I let help come in. I think there's certain areas in my life, like with music, I've always kinda, I've been a good teammate. I don't know why that is, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:20 maybe I've just always liked the, I like the aspect of feeling like you're on a team I guess because I played sports and stuff so much growing up, you know, like for me, I enjoy the comradery of making music with my buddies and doing all that stuff, you know, so I've always kind of enjoyed the, the help and the team aspect of that. But there's other areas in my life where I'd,

Starting point is 00:20:40 I'm like you, where I'm like, I don't, you know, whatever. No, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah don't, you know, whatever. No, no, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, so it doesn't necessarily permeate throughout my entire life. It's just that one thing where I've been able to do that. Yeah. Oh, dude, I'll be sitting in a damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand people out there with rope, and I'll be like, I'm good.

Starting point is 00:20:59 Yeah, I'll find one. Yeah, I'll find it. I'll figure something. There's one down here. There's one down here somewhere. And they'll be up there and they're like, this dude's an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. You're damn right. I am.

Starting point is 00:21:11 But I'm proud of it too. Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm proud of it. That's the best part. Is it tough in your life? I mean, dude, your music, it's like, it's just been such a way that like I mean you couldn't travel around town without seeing every guy to stop light look like you know look like a Morgan Walton look like a

Starting point is 00:21:32 Like a hear your music ever every store like are there moments for you where it's like god This guy's got a tonic like it's like we're almost where you become too much for you Like is that ever like you know does that make any sense? Yeah? No it does Where you become too much for you like is that ever like you know does that make any sense? Yeah? No it does It's it's still it's still weird, and there's parts of that that I don't like I mean, I think anybody who has to deal with that it's not ideal You know it's not ideal to go everywhere and even if you don't get get like you know bothered you You were on edge the whole time because you thought you might it's like there's just not a lot of Not there's there's things that you just don't do anymore.

Starting point is 00:22:07 You just don't do them anymore. But that's okay. That's why I've taken up hunting so much, I think, because I can go be with my buddies. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I can be at ease. I can not stress out. You just find ways to supplement it, I think.

Starting point is 00:22:24 Yeah. It's kind of funny that you can't really go to a bar anymore because there'd be too much hassle and it's probably best thing for you. It's definitely the best thing for me, you know? I mean, if you're using a bar as a specific example, that's definitely the best thing for me. I ain't been in a bar since the last, since the last time I was in a bar

Starting point is 00:22:48 that everybody knows about. How is that? That feels like a bar right there. It sounds like an old country song for sure. But yeah, that's, that's, that's the most public time I was in a bar. That's the last time I was in a bar. Dude, have you seen those, there's an AI bar thing that makes country songs. There's one about a bar. You gotta see if you can pull it up, Trevin. Is it good? Dude, it's pretty funny.

Starting point is 00:23:17 Let me see. This shit kinda surprised me. One of them's about, oh, it's the right one, Kitchen, and the second one right there with the guy and the lady in the truck, yeah. Turn that up for a second, it's just ridiculous. Look, change it to Whiskey and have Morgan Wallen sing it. That's one of the number one comments. Hey, start it back over and just turn it up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:23:42 We can't hear it, but this is just like AI made this. I woke up in the morning to crack myself a beer. Been went down to the kitchen to grab myself a beer. Made myself some breakfast, another beer of course. That's when my baby said to me, I want to get a divorce. Well now I definitely need to go grab another beer or two or three So I can start thinking clear. Oh, it's a perfect day for beer. That's good, man.

Starting point is 00:24:17 But it's just crazy that AI wrote that. Like, it's just somebody just put it in. Dude, AI's nuts, man. It's just making beer. I was talking to my mom about AI this morning. But that is, I mean, you know, could be a hit. Yeah. Hahaha. Hey, fuck it, we're sitting here listening to it.

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Starting point is 00:28:39 I'm mostly only listening to music if I'm driving or if I'm working out. That's about the only time I listen to music, which I do those things decent amount. Kind of same, man, that's kind of when I do it. Yeah. Steven Wilson I've been listening to. Yeah, he's good.

Starting point is 00:28:53 He's really good. He's a great lyricist. Yeah, yeah, he's a special talent. That song about my father's son, Hardy played that one with him, god that's good. Yeah, that guy is really, really good. Zach Topp's voice is really amazing. I don't listen to country music a whole lot.

Starting point is 00:29:07 I think I've always kind of been that way. I know Zach, I know who Zach Topp is and I do agree. He's very, he's very solid. Jesse Murph, Big X, the plug, you've heard that song? That, uh-uh. No. They have a collab that's pretty dope. That's cool.

Starting point is 00:29:19 Yeah, it's good. Me and Big X, we almost did the song, but I don't know, I didn't. I actually sent him a song and he didn't a song. But I don't know, I didn't. I actually sent him a song and he didn't finish it, so I don't know. That's on him. I guess I don't know what he was doing. He was in jail.

Starting point is 00:29:34 Did he? I think so. For what? Not a long time, not long enough, not, I went to jail too, man. Yeah, Big X went to a jail. Hey, if you're behind bars, write a couple. No, I always kind of spur the moment thing though.

Starting point is 00:29:51 I got a song on my record called Miami. I haven't heard that one yet. They sent me a couple of the songs. Did they? Yeah, Miami. It's like a Keith Whitley flip. So it's like an old, you know, Miami Miami, that song? Have you ever heard that?

Starting point is 00:30:03 Miami Miami. What took you so long I thought you'd never call Oh no I've never seen it. People talk about Keith Whitman. That's one of his like bigger type songs I guess but we flipped it and turned it into more of like a it's a little more like rap style. But it's cool man. I like it. Yeah. It it's cool it seemed like it could use a rapper on there I didn't end up using a feature we end up just making a second verse but it's it's one of those songs where I could it wouldn't

Starting point is 00:30:34 be surprising if we got like a remix and did that you know what I mean once it's out and all that stuff what you you're famous like you guys had this whole tan like these different walkouts that you did over the years, right? Really fun. And thanks for letting me be part of the one in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah What would do you have a favorite one that kind of stood out to you and no judgment to any of them? What was I mean? Neelan Stadium is you know, that's my home. That's where I grew up Watching ads on Peyton. That one was really good. The baseball team when we did was really good, too, but that Peyton one Put those pads on. Peyton, that one was really good.

Starting point is 00:31:02 The baseball team one we did was really good too. But that Peyton one, that was one of the, you know, it's hard to beat. Anything that happened those two nights at that stadium, I find myself just being like, yeah, that's pretty, those are like the, you know, some of the best memories I've had. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:20 Oh yeah. With Joe. So sick. He's so ridiculous. He came out looking like he was actually about to go play with his facial expressions and stuff. Hey, I think half the boosters wanted to sign, some boosters out there were trying to holler at him. Probably.

Starting point is 00:31:35 Hey, man, you got another year eligibility. We'll find something else. Yeah, man, that was special, dude. So cool. The walkouts are, they're just, the energy that comes from those, it just could last you, I mean, maybe not the entire show, but it'll last you a while, you know?

Starting point is 00:31:53 And then once you get out there and compound the energy that comes along with the actual show, it's just, it's a rush. Oh yeah. Yeah, there's that coach right there that we put that water on. Yeah, Hypal? Yeah. Oh, he's thugging big thugging right here was dude What else is that so You have your fat the first time you're gonna play your new album will be at saying in my boots fast

Starting point is 00:32:19 I'll play some of my album there You know the album comes out on the 16th I play on the 18th I'll probably I'll play some of my album there. Okay. You know, the album comes out on the 16th, I play on the 18th. I'll probably, I'll play some of the new stuff. That's another thing, man. It's hard to, it's hard picking set list at this point too. Oh. You know? That gets real tricky.

Starting point is 00:32:37 Do you do that yourself? You kind of organize it? Yeah, me and my band do it together. You know, it's, a lot of it's data driven, you know, cause you can see, you know which songs people, the majority of people wanna hear. Like, you're always gonna miss somebody's favorite song.

Starting point is 00:32:58 You're probably gonna miss my favorite song, you know, in some sets. Just trying to figure out a way this year since I'm you know, I'm only playing 20 shows so probably If I can try to figure out a way to not play the same set list all the time, you know Cuz last year I've not interchanged a couple but I think it's gonna be I'm gonna make a bigger effort to try to make the set list different for at least each night You know, maybe not every single show be a different set list

Starting point is 00:33:28 But like night one night two, yeah, because we're playing two nights in each place So a night, you know trying to separate the two nights as far as music goes Should be should be interesting because we've never done that before We would always just do like maybe change one or two songs, you know, I'm thinking maybe a little more than that So I like that. Yeah that way if he wanted to come for both nights, too They couldn't hear different stuff. Yeah, a lot of people already do come both nights. So that would be nice for them, too Yeah, there's really no way to do it perfectly somebody's gonna be disappointed or you know at any point Oh, they didn't play this song or you didn't play that song but trying our best

Starting point is 00:34:01 I'm not gonna play for four hours either. So, you know, yeah, you gotta Keep it within reason. We got to meet in the middle guys. Yeah I don't want to sing for four hours, you know two hours about Maybe a little longer two hours. You put it on man I like my show like I'll be out there for maybe about an hour and 15 minutes is probably the sweet spot for me to be on stage I think with the comedian where they're just because we don't have any backup instruments that people are like fuck somebody tap in a violin or something with this bastard

Starting point is 00:34:30 You know people get a little bit tired But I can't and that burns me out man. I used to do two shows now only do one tonight But I can't imagine there two shows in one night. Yeah Back to back. Yeah when you first started as a I think I remember you telling me that yeah I think like even whenever I first came to town, you guys came one night and saw me at Zany's, man. That was cool. And you came and did my podcast early, man,

Starting point is 00:34:52 and that helped me, it helped give me some just support in the community. I didn't even realize it was early, because to me, I'd been listening to you for like a little while, you know? So I already knew you and knew about you and knew your story and everything, so. It wasn't like, Hey, come do this weird new guys podcast. I already knew who you were. So well, it's just support. You know, it was

Starting point is 00:35:11 nice to have some support when I got into town. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad. I'm glad we got to do it, man. Damn. That was in 2020. Was it really? God dang, bro. Look how happy you were. I think I got, I'm joking, dude. We both look happy as the pictures we picked. I look like I'm paying. You look like you just came from the dentist. I look so white. Yeah, I think we had some, we had bad lighting then. Golly.

Starting point is 00:35:34 We bought some better lights. Looking pasty boy. What's up with the free time now? So you go hunting. Where do you guys like to go? Well, all over the place, man. I got a farm outside of town that we've been planting and Oh, I think I saw some deer out there.

Starting point is 00:35:52 Getting all the agriculture right. I don't think you've been to my farm, have you? Oh no, I may have just been to your house. Yeah, you just been to my house, I believe. So we got deer and turkeys down there. Oh yeah. So that's pretty much what it's geared towards. It's a really good. We we bought it It was already a really good turkey farm and then we've just been adding a lot of the

Starting point is 00:36:16 Agriculture and all that stuff to try to make it a better deer farm What makes a good setup like that? Like what's the best way to make it set up where it's challenging to the hunter? But also like I mean it's always going to be challenging when deer hunting just, you know, because you only get to kill two bucks in a season, in a state, you know, so you're not, you're not just going to go out there and shoot everything you see.

Starting point is 00:36:38 Oh. You know what I mean? Like you may let a really good deer walk because you're trying to get a better, you know that there's a better deer in the area or you believe there's a better deer in the area. You know, like we have cameras and stuff now so we can kind of take inventory on stuff. But you're not, you don't, I think people, I don't know what people think about hunting, but like you don't just go out there and just massacre animals.

Starting point is 00:37:00 You know what I mean? Like you're not out there with a hand gun or nothing. No, but I mean it's uh, it's interesting. I mean the main thing is food, you know, food and bedding. That's, that's really all it, that's what, those are the two main things that you need to have a good hunting farm. Okay. As long as you got their, the type of bedding that they want and preferably the type of food that they want, then you're gonna keep those deer on your farm because they ain't gonna because they don't need to leave to go find either one of those. Right, they're happy.

Starting point is 00:37:27 So they'll stay in their home range, and they'll stay there, and you can grow them. We don't wanna, at least try to get them to be five years old. And that's minimum, though, what we want to do. Depending on where you're at in the country, people will let them get older. It's a little different, I think,

Starting point is 00:37:43 depending on your land, because you know, like, if you spend all this time and money and then you got your neighbor who, if your deer walks across to their property line, they might shoot it before you were planning on shooting it. So, you know, it can be a little bit of a game. So there can be property line beef like that. Oh, yeah, there's all kinds of that going on. Damn, I didn't see that. Yeah, there's a lot of hunting property line beef like that. Oh yeah, there's all kinds of that going on. Damn, I didn't hear that.

Starting point is 00:38:06 Yeah, there's a lot of hunting property line beef. And what about reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer out there or not? I personally came across one. My son did just get a reindeer call and one of my buddies from Alabama made him a reindeer call. Oh, wait for Christmas? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:22 Oh, it's hilarious. It was cool. Bro, you got to use that with him That's pretty cool Imagine that do your kid you think it was a nice reindeer call you're bringing in Santa, dude Yeah, he thinks that's what he's doing. I mean, that's that would be I don't even think he's actually tried it like he I guess that was probably last last Christmas So he's just he's came he's just got a lot of new interests and stuff this year.

Starting point is 00:38:46 So I think I was, I came home this past weekend and I was working on my turkey call just in my mouth, you know, and he was trying to like mimic me and stuff. It was hilarious. He's just screaming basically. Is it fun to watch him kind of grow? Like what does it been interesting? Is there moments where you see him learn something and you almost see him learn it like does that kind of happen?

Starting point is 00:39:08 Yeah, it's cool like I I've been working on him on how to catch and stuff, you know, I've just been using like a soft basketball that I've got one of those, you know, just basketball goals you hang up on the door and Oh, yeah, there's just so much fun. I use it more than him still. Yeah. You're just making him repack for you? Yeah, every time I'm on the phone, I'll just put my headphones in and just start shooting for like 30 minutes. Since it's been cold, especially. But yeah, just when we first started, he couldn't do it. And then a couple of weeks later, he's like catching.

Starting point is 00:39:43 And he can catch a bounce pass now You know it's just like just seeing those things progress in such a short period of time is cool Does it make you have a different appreciation for your own dad or is it just a y'all's relationship any you think is that? A weird question to ask no, it's not a weird question. I think Yeah, I think it probably does you know I mean me and my dad we butted heads a lot growing up especially once I got to high school just because I was I was you were you know? I mean, me and my dad, we butted heads a lot growing up, especially once I got to high school, just because I was, I was- You were you.

Starting point is 00:40:08 I was kind of ridiculous. And I think he was kind of ridiculous when he was that age too. So he was just trying to, hey, don't be like me when I was that age, you know? Like, I know what this turns, I know how this ends usually. So we just butted heads.

Starting point is 00:40:22 I didn't, you know, you don't believe anything your parents say when you're that age. No, it's the last person you want to believe it's so crazy not even possible There wasn't possible in my head to believe that that's crazy to think now I'm like damn they were right but in my head it was not physically possible to think that they could be right There just wasn't it's kind of crazy because like oh these two people that love me and care about me Raise me this far. They're trying to ruin my life Yeah, that's what you think.

Starting point is 00:40:46 It's wild. Oh, totally. It's insane really, but that's what I thought. But yeah, I mean, after I moved out, and really once I think I got moved down here to Nashville, that's when we became even closer, closer than ever. Because I moved here pretty young. I was 22 when I moved here.

Starting point is 00:41:04 And almost been here ten years coming up. Mm-hmm So it's I think just having that space and then just being able to you should get older too, you know Oh, that's the biggest thing you're like, oh shit No, that other shit even matter what I'm doing like yeah You may maybe you could have went about it a little different or whatever, you know, like the intentions were right Yeah, I mean I just got spending time with my mom is like a lot of my life It's like I'm waiting for my mom to like show me certain attention or affection or something the other night We're just sitting there. We're watching at the operating she went there like 40 years ago or something, you know, and

Starting point is 00:41:36 And I'm like it's kind of stupid but I was reached over and grabbed my mom's hand, you know Cuz so it's like it's not about me being a kid anymore. It's just about me being she's an older woman now. So it's like, let me just be an adult and almost act like I'm the parent, you know, I'm not the parent now, but let me I don't know. It's an old part of me, like a child part of me, like, oh, man, it's my brother. I wish my mom would, you know, just pat me on the back, just do something, you know, show me a little bit of love or something. But then I just grabbed her hand and then we just watched it together.

Starting point is 00:42:01 And it was like me kind of I don't know. It was a little moment for me where I was like I'm not gonna be that old grudge I'm just gonna move forward you know. That's cool yeah. But it was just interesting or I just or just to get my mom a hug while we're sitting there you know. Yeah. Me and my mom my mom always we always had like a super super good relationship she was always loving and stuff you know so I just I felt all that for my mom but me and my, you know. So I just, I felt all that from my mom, but me and my dad, you know, like I said, we butted heads. So it was more of just getting past that phase in my life. But for, I didn't,

Starting point is 00:42:32 once it was, once that phase was over, it was over to me. I don't know. I don't, I don't have any sort of hard feelings towards it. Oh yeah. Dude, your dad is so funny, dude. Right? When I see him, my face just fucking smiles. I know. me too. That guy's just like, he's just energetic. You're chipper, you said he was chipper, that's the right word for him.

Starting point is 00:42:49 And he's been fasting for like 700 days, dude. Yeah, I don't, at this point, I don't know. Oh, I would. He ain't fasting right now, I've been seeing this man eat during this trip he's been down here, he ain't fasting. Don't let him lie to you. Because I've been basically, I've been eating clean and stuff, trying to get ready for tour and all that.

Starting point is 00:43:06 And they're bribing me with all these hamburgers and stuff and like, man, go cook at somewhere else. What about motorcycling? You got a motorcycle, I remember last time you were talking about, did you get one? Yeah, I got it. Oh, you have a Harley hat on today. I do, yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:23 Gang gang, that's nice dude. Let's go baby. I got this awesome vintage thing. Yeah, I got it. Oh, you have a Harley hat on today. I do, yeah. Gang gang, that's nice, dude. Let's go, baby. I got this awesome vintage thing. Yeah, that's tough, dude. Yeah, man, I enjoy it. You do? Yeah, which I kinda had ridden dirt bikes and stuff a little bit, you know,

Starting point is 00:43:37 enough to understand my way around a bike already. Right. So, me and Cody and TD and a few of, a few other of us, a few others, we all got bikes. Look at that shit. I'll buy the cologne, whatever they're selling right there. It does look like that. It really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan Wallen. Exhaust. It smells like a fart.

Starting point is 00:44:02 That wouldn't be a bad cologne though, dude. Smells like Morgan Wallen's farts man Yet a blow to start that I'm surprised I don't I'm surprised everybody ever had a motorbike that has that on it. I'm sure they have I'm surprised. I don't have that on every vehicle. I've got Shout out to Davidson County. Sorry man, that's why.

Starting point is 00:44:27 No, that's a handsome picture man, that looks nice. Thanks man. But you get out there. I like it because it's like, you got your helmet on, nobody knows who you are. You get out there, you got to focus on it too. You got to be, you ain't on your phone. You know, you ain't doing anything else. You just thinking about what you gotta do on that bike. So I enjoy that aspect of it a lot.

Starting point is 00:44:50 You like, at least me, I physically can't do anything else other than think about what's going on on this bike. Be locked in. Yeah, so I like that aspect of it a lot. You know, you'll be riding and then all of a sudden it's five hours have gone by and you just don't realize that that happened. Really? Damn, I gotta get out there sometime I'm just so bad I'm bad at being in motion. Well that might not be for you then. Yeah. What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:45:15 Wait what do you mean? Keep going. I'm bad at just like being in motion and having to think at the same time. I'm more of a stop and think. Then move. What are we thinking about? Just anything, whatever the next thing has to be. It's just hard for me. Like I get, I just... You can just be in the back of the line then. Yeah, yeah. I'll be in the back. You can just follow us. Yeah. Yeah, I would be a good...

Starting point is 00:45:36 Yeah, I don't want to be at the front. Okay. Or the middle. The middle is probably the safest anyway. You can be in the middle. Because you're protected in the back, you're protected in the front, you don't have to make any decisions. You just follow the decisions. Yes.'re protected in the back, you're protected in the front, you don't have to make any decisions, you just follow the decisions.

Starting point is 00:45:48 That's where I need to be then. You should take Harry. You should go take Harry's motorcycle class. That's who we took our class from. Really? Is it good? Yeah. I mean, I learned things I didn't know.

Starting point is 00:45:59 Yeah. Oh, God. It wasn't easy necessarily either. There were things that were challenging. Do y'all go in a pack when y'all go out there? I've ridden a couple times by myself, but I would have somebody following me, like my security or just anyone.

Starting point is 00:46:13 But we mostly just ride at least in groups of two. And then a lot of times groups of four. That's tough, man. Maybe I'll have to get out there. I gotta pray about that. Yeah, I don't wanna, don't let me, I'm not influencing you at all. Yeah, okay, thank you. Yeah, I don't want to don't let me I'm not influencing you at all Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to be out there Sidecar

Starting point is 00:46:37 Yeah, dude your cousin Andrew and I are friends man, yeah, he's a client dude he is okay your family is funny dude you got a lot of characters in our family that's what you had dude even when I remember you first told me I met you about your uncle David or something holidays and then just different people you would tell me and then getting to meet your dad and then yeah Andrew and I become friends over the years he's he's hilarious dude yeah he definitely is hilarious went fishing with him he fuck dude that doodle He'll put a damn He'll start talking anywhere. You guys buy a chase bank and he'll feel cast over there

Starting point is 00:47:10 But what are you trying to catch man for all top on there? Just cuz there's a bank He'll catch a down He'll catch a safe deposit box over there 12 pound Dude, he's just good. He took us out to some property. Him and Ben Weprin, I think is the guy's name. Yeah, Ben, yeah. And we had a blast, man, but he's good. Where'd y'all go, to Hohenwal?

Starting point is 00:47:34 No, we went to... Oh, you went to Ease? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to Ease, and it was cool though. I hadn't been there, God, that's beautiful. That place is immaculate. God. Yeah, it was good, man.

Starting point is 00:47:45 Got some big fish in there. It's a beautiful spot, man. But does he hunt with you? Does he hunt? Does Andrew hunt with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, some. He does, yeah, I like hunting with him. You know, he works for Field and Stream,

Starting point is 00:47:56 so he travels a lot doing that job, which I think is a really good job for him. He loves it, man. Yeah, so. Yeah, he's talented, but he's hilarious, dude. We all keep telling him, like, he should have his own YouTube channel or something. Really should, man. Yeah, he's talented, but he's hilarious, dude. We all keep telling him like he should have his own YouTube channel or something. Really should, man. Just a series of some sort. And this is the things that happened to that guy.

Starting point is 00:48:11 I'm like, dude, I don't know how this has occurred to you, but you know, the world deserves to hear this. Yeah, that's okay, brother. The world deserves to share in your pain that you're dealing with right now. The things that happened to him are just unbelievable, man. Bro, he's just such a good story. Yeah, he's a bro. He has been getting to know him has been a gift, man. Yeah, he is a true, he's a treasure, man. He's a national treasure. He's a buried treasure. I mean, He's a national treasure. He's a buried treasure. I mean, I really, he is buried right now. We keep, I mean, maybe he'll take this and he'll watch this clip and go start his channel, you know. He's entertained, yeah, man. He's just entertained. He's E2D to be around and yeah, that field of stream job with him is perfect.

Starting point is 00:48:58 And he could do both. He could have that job and do, you know, that could almost be part of it. Or find a way to put them together. That's what I'm saying. It could be part of the same thing. You couldn't find a guy that's more perfect for that Has there been something nice that you kind of got yourself as a gift that you started? you know feeling like you were doing pretty well and I mean a trip you took or anything Yeah, I mean I I'm I used to be probably a little more frugal than I am right now. Yeah, same.

Starting point is 00:49:28 I don't like going to get stuck. I don't like shopping for stuff too. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's anything that I was just really splurged out on. You know, I got a couple of watches and just things like that, but, and then I got got a couple nice cars.

Starting point is 00:49:45 I mean, I don't feel like I'm over the top big spender guy, you know, in a lot of times. What was your first car, do you remember it? Yeah, it was a Jeep Cherokee. What, is it really, dude? I got a freaking Jeep Cherokee, dude. You do right now? Yeah, in Los Angeles I have a car there

Starting point is 00:50:01 that's got like only 12,000 miles on it. This thing had a lot more than 12,000 miles on it. Really? Yeah It was a white Jeep Grand Cherokee. I think it was a 95 if I'm remembering correctly, dude I like those cars. It was not a bad car. I mean it wasn't whoever had it wasn't the most it was like that right there That's exactly what it looked like. Those bitches were tough. It's exactly what it was. Yeah I had them Ford Escort 84 Ford Escort pull that bitch up dude. If they'll even allow you. Sometimes Google won't let you look at them anymore. Them bitches are visually outlawed.

Starting point is 00:50:35 Bro that shit will cross. It'll remodel your eyeline when you look at that bitch dude. God damn that bitch looks horrible. I hadn't looked at it in a few years. God damn that bitch looks horrible. I had looked at in a few years. I mean, yeah, that's pretty bad. Especially that one on the right, that blue one. That one pulled up. And barely pulled up. That bitch pulled up slow, dude. It's got a two-cylinder in it

Starting point is 00:51:09 Probably had a fucking well board motor engine Get a steer like with the reverse way like you like you have to do a John boat Steered it from the back Somebody stole my passenger seat in that bitch. Really? Yeah, so if you had- Was it only a two-seater anyway? No, it had three extra little seats in the back. Oh, okay, okay.

Starting point is 00:51:32 But they weren't even a bench. It was three individual little bitty seats. Three booster seats right there? Either I had to have three kids that were triplets, I guess, or a couple small buddies. But But somebody had stole my damn passenger seat dude. Did you ever get it back? Uh-uh some we were eating at a Burger King and somebody stole that bitch out of there and But then people let people had to get in they get in the car, but they couldn't sit A couple blankets down or something or I don't know, whatever dude. But the one time I picked up a dude, I was getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas station,

Starting point is 00:52:10 I was skipping school, and he got in, this kind of homeless-y kind of guy, and he got in, instead of sitting in the back, he just got on his knees right there at the passenger side. So I'm driving and he just... He was your friend? I didn't know him, no. He's like a guy who I gave money to buy me alcohol. Oh, okay. So, but anyway, I don't know why I'm telling you all this. You got those things.

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Starting point is 00:55:40 Visit betterhelp.com slash t-h-e-o to get 10% off your first month. That's better help H-e-l-p dot com slash Theo So you got the new album coming out? Does it feel is there a moment where you feel that the album is finished? Is there a moment where you're like, I just can't this is far enough Could you keep going on and out and they could you keep fine-tuning it forever? Yes, for sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:06 So that's a real possibility. You can overdo it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The powers that be will give you a deadline if you want certain things to happen. You know, like you want your vinyl to come to be out, to be ready by when the record's ready. You know, things like that. So you kind of, they put a So you kinda, they give you a buffer

Starting point is 00:56:27 because they know you're not gonna have it in time. They got a buffer for the buffer. They got like a eight week buffer, I think, that they put on me. But those time limits are healthy, I think, because especially, I mean, it's not like we wouldn't work't work I mean we worked really hard on this album pretty much since tour was over I've been writing and you know just recording all that so I mean we recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14 really yeah. So what happens to a lot, you just kind of decide

Starting point is 00:57:06 this doesn't fit here right now? Yeah, some of the songs were songs that I wrote, some of them weren't, so if I didn't write them, then they'll just, whatever happens to them, not up to me anymore. And then if I did, you know, who knows? I might make a side project of something, if something that has nothing to do with my name,

Starting point is 00:57:26 I've always kind of wanted to do that anyway. Just kind of figure out a way to, it wouldn't be my voice, it wouldn't, I don't know how you'd do that, I'm sure there's all kinds of ways to go about it now, these days, but, but it not be my name, not my voice, not be any kind of style of music that I normally do,

Starting point is 00:57:43 just to see what happens to it. Might'd be like house music or something you know I don't know pretty sick dude yeah dude if you had house music I mean people would if they saw my name on it they would I don't want it to have my name on right I wanted to see what happens if it just gets put out to the world you know maybe I'll like put it on a story or something right whoever it is, you know, dreamjacker or whatever the team is but Whatever the name of the guy Wet dreamjacker, that'd be mine Dream jacking currently

Starting point is 00:58:15 I mean I We were taught me and my buddies were talking about this topic the other day actually and I Don't know who might actually have putting out something secret low-key? Yeah. Creating something? Yeah. Well I bet because that's an interesting thing it's like once you kind of have made a name in one space it's kind of hard you can't you know you almost have if you want to get a real test of what people think of something you kind of have to secretly do it some other way. Yeah but it wouldn't even

Starting point is 00:58:42 be similar to the music that I'm doing. I totally understand that. It would be nothing even close to what I'm doing now. It would be like, I mean, I like house music a little bit. So I'll listen to it working out or driving or stuff, you know, like melodic stuff. Like that kind of stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel like a lot of that stuff doesn't necessarily have a lot of words and stuff, you know. So maybe what if I took a song of mine

Starting point is 00:59:06 that didn't make my album, but it's got a story, it's got all these things, you know? What if, what would people like that? I don't know. Dude, I thought, I thought, started thinking of this about two years ago. So they have like ED, you go to these nightclubs and stuff and they'll have like John Summett,

Starting point is 00:59:20 these different kind of guys who are playing like house, like trance or whatever, whatever it is, it's just people doing dope really late at night and just doing like this, you know, whatever that is. I don't know the difference between all of those styles of music. It's like, it's one style of music. I know there's sub genres and all that, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:36 Same, I don't have a clue. But I'm always like, why don't they have a more country or like, why is it always, like if they had remixes of a lot of great country music, like that, and you put it to that same type of shit, cause a lot of people wanna still go have that environment, but I don't, sometimes you get tired of that music, it just gets kind of old.

Starting point is 00:59:55 So if they had remixes of some dope country shit, I'm like, if they had two country DJs that came out, I feel like it would be so sick just doing remixes and shit. It would be cool. I'm surprised they don't have that already. Me too. Me and Caleb Pressley tried, thought about trying to do it. But then it was just like, you just don't have a lot of time.

Starting point is 01:00:09 You know? And that becomes something too, is like there's things you want to do and you just don't have enough time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that's smart for you to realize that. I mean, it'll be like, well, I'm going to quit my job. It pays all my bills and, you know, go be a Mason.

Starting point is 01:00:23 It's like, well, maybe don't do that. So, yeah. Under and under and under. Just fucking remix it, fucking Brooks and Dunn. Before you go, man, you have some amazing artists that are gonna be on some of these tour dates with you. Yeah, I do. Did you have to call them individually and ask them,

Starting point is 01:00:44 how'd that kinda go? Cause some of these are dates with you. Yeah, I do. Did you have to call them individually and ask them, how'd that kinda go? Cause some of these are idols really, in the industry. Well, I feel, you know, Miranda, I'm good friends with Miranda, I'm good friends with Brooks and Dunn. So that was pretty easy. Yeah, I mean, there was already mutual interest and that's something that's kinda been a conversation

Starting point is 01:01:04 for a little bit longer than just this year. So that one kind of just worked itself out between them and my managers. I'm good friends with Thomas Redd as well. So that one, they were all- He's nice, huh? He's super nice. God, what a nice guy.

Starting point is 01:01:16 He lives nearby, I think. Yeah, I think you're right. It just all kind of happened pretty naturally, but I mean, it's unbelievable to me. Like I haven't really, this page that's pulled up, I mean, just to see the people that are, that are openin' for me,

Starting point is 01:01:32 it's like it doesn't even make sense, you know? Miranda Ella Langley, she's a new. Yeah, she's a badass. Or she's newly more popular. Yeah. I'm not gonna say she's new, I don't know about her history. I don't either, but. But Miranda Corey Kent, I'm not familiar with him.

Starting point is 01:01:44 If it's a man. It is, yeah. He's good too. I'm gonna have to check him out. Yeah Ann Wilson she's she's a Christian artist by trait but she's you know dabbling in the country music world she's she's really good you know she's on her she's on our agency so. She yep. Yep. Um you started off to check her out Oh Gavin Adcox out there with his a wild man fucking guys Love that guy He's walking like I see you eat a fucking he'll eat a damn three pack I saw me to three pack of beers. He probably did. Oh, he'll eat fucking two beers, dude

Starting point is 01:02:24 Yeah, he doesn eat fucking two beers dude yeah he doesn't give a damn dude he played offensive line for bud light for a couple years there is he's definitely outlandish what are those things as military what are those MREs or whatever you got beer in there MREs or whatever, he's just got beer in there. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, he'll walk in. But he's entertaining.

Starting point is 01:02:49 He's entertaining, he's got a good voice too and his music seems like he just keeps getting better too. So I'm happy for him, man. I gotta tap in more with him. I saw him play with a kid rocking them on one of his shows last year. Dude, I'll say this, Bob Richie, his live performance, dude.

Starting point is 01:03:06 No, he'll let him have it, won't he? Bro, I was fucking, I mean, I know, you know, but I didn't, it was good, bro. I've never seen it firsthand, but I can imagine. I mean, I knew it would be, but it's just been some time, you know, it's hard to keep up, you know? I mean, being out there for two hours, I mean, you guys get, I mean, it's a lot, man.

Starting point is 01:03:27 It is, man, it can be for sure. I mean, depends on how often you do it too, you know? I mean, if you're doing it, some people, I guess, still do it three nights a week. I'm just gonna do it too, because it feels like a disservice to me and everyone else to do it three days in a row, you know? But two seems like a good sweet spot

Starting point is 01:03:46 You can as long, you know, you play the show Probably don't go to bed till 3 4 in the morning just cuz you're so wound up Yeah, you're up people visit and you got to say bye to everybody all that shit Well, I don't do all that anymore much Yeah, but even still they know what the priorities are at this point So if I if I play a show you'll head out which, if my boy is with me, he'll be asleep already anyway. So I'll just, we head straight out. Don't stick around.

Starting point is 01:04:12 I try to go to bed as soon as possible. Usually, like I said, don't have no three or four. Then you try your best to sleep till noon, one, two, as late as you possibly can, just because your voice after doing all that, You know, you need all that rest. So it's become a little bit more like a regimen for me, which is good. You know, I got a vocal coach and all that stuff too now. So it's just like a whole boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is how it is now, you know, and that seems to help me a lot.

Starting point is 01:04:39 Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. When I was a little younger, I could do those, I could do some of the stretches. And now I'm like, I wish I, when I do see them on the schedule, it's kind of interesting when I was a little younger I could do those, I could do, you know, some of the stretches and now I'm like, I don't, I wish I, when I do see them on the schedule it's a little bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and, and with, you know. No, but you're, I mean, it is, I mean, it's a similar thing. It's still the same thing, it's like a regimen, it's like, yeah, I gotta sleep in late and it's like, well, that kind of sucks because now it's like, it's kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go back to sleep for two more hours because it's light out. It's really hard. It's hard but you know you need that two more hours of sleep otherwise I'm gonna be edgy you know and I won't be able to man I might not

Starting point is 01:05:07 want to go work out just all the little things like. Yeah it is it's important. Because it's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next that when it's time to go it's time to go. Yeah I mean back in the day I mean which we weren't playing two hour shows back then either you know but we would play six shows in one week you know so I don't know how I mean it just had to be young I guess you know I mean it wasn't like we were I wasn't no the only regiment then was sleep till four start drinking at five you know what I mean like that's what it was then and we gonna be good ain't that right bro hell yeah that's a Gavin Adcock national anthem yeah I

Starting point is 01:05:42 think I think back in the day if if I had a camera on me like Adcock does now, they might be, they would be probably saying some similar stuff about me, but he's a little more bold with it, I guess, than I was. Well, he's really, yeah, he's, oh dude, he'll be on stage, people, I think there's some, he's like, people are throwing fucking beers. He just has beers bouncing He's an animal dude. He'd like the PA system shut down, but we gonna steal fucking before He just yell he just he'll hollow out a beer can and just yell out of it and shit He is ballsy dude his personality is cool. He's fun guy. Very entertaining. I gotta tap into more of his music. I haven't listened to a lot of his music.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Yeah, you need to get him on here. Yeah. I do need to. People say that we look alike a little bit. But I think they're just being nice to me. To you or him? Well, one of us. One of us, dude. Oh yeah, you got your drink here, May brought this today. That real tea, how's it going? Real tea. Man, it seems to be progressing nicely. It's good, I like it.

Starting point is 01:06:53 I like it on ice better. Yeah, brother. But I've always liked sweet tea better on ice. I mean, you know, cause I've been, I'm trying to eat and live and drink and all that stuff clean. So for something that's actually, you know healthy it's it's good Yeah. Yeah, it's good for sure. I like it. I like having a nice

Starting point is 01:07:11 Little can of tea or something. I'll keep a couple in the car. I'll drink a warm even do you yeah I'll get a whole one in me at a stoplight. Yeah, I don't do all that You don't know my my drummer told me one time he had drink like I can't remember how many you know Like 13 or something and they're goinggodly in a short amount of time. I said, damn man, you're going to have kidney stones for sure. Well, maybe he'll have a band, a cover band of the Rolling Stones. It's called Kidney Stones. It's the Rolling Kidney Stones.

Starting point is 01:07:42 Is there a song sometimes of your own that you'll listen to or one that catches you sometimes and it'll kind of catch you in your feels a little bit? Is there any one that you're like? I mean, yeah, the song, the song I wrote to my son is the song. Oh, the one that's not out yet. Yeah, that does that. It'll be out soon, but I mean, it's also one of those things to where, you know, I've tried so many times to write a song like that for him and it always fell flat.

Starting point is 01:08:05 So I'd listen to it on the way home or whatever after we wrote it and I'd be like, that's good, but it's not how I want it. And I also didn't want to write a song to him that was all, I don't know, sappy and slow and just like, you know, just like what you would expect a dad's son song to be. You know, oh, I wish you wouldn't grow up, you know, all that.

Starting point is 01:08:32 Like, I didn't want it to be that. I wanted it- Another birthday cake. Yeah, it's like, I didn't want that song at all. That song's been written plenty enough. So, and I wanted it to keep, like, have a little bit of my sound and my swag, and just like, and to be honest.

Starting point is 01:08:50 You know, so it was a hard thing to try to get all those things wrapped up into one song. And it's called Superman is what it's called, and I feel like we accomplished that. And when I was, when we wrote it and I was riding home, it was actually the last song that made my record. So it's not like I've had it for a long time. You know, it took us a while to get that song.

Starting point is 01:09:09 And it was actually Blake, one of my buddy Blake's, it was his idea. And the hook was different though. It said Superman, I don't remember what the hook was exactly but I was just singing it and I was like, oh, I know what it is. And I changed the hook and it like, it made it and I was like, oh, I know what it is. And I changed the hook and it made it, it was like, oh, there it is.

Starting point is 01:09:29 Unlocked. And all three of us, or four of us in the room just kinda, I was like, oh yeah, that's it. You know, and then on the way home, I was listening to it and started crying. And that's the first time that it happened with a song for him. So that's, I kinda knew.

Starting point is 01:09:43 Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah, man, there's one thing I've always thought you had very good instincts, man. I've always admired your instincts. Whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever, you're fucking sharp, dude. You're a sharp fucking guy. Yeah, it's been, I appreciate you just supporting my podcast. And, you know, it's nice of you.

Starting point is 01:10:02 And thanks for all the great music, man. That one about the mom, mom oh I wrote the book and that one sometimes that's one of my favorites still if I'm driving home at night or something I listen to that one dude you know that's a good one that was like kind of puts me in a good spot you know yeah I like that one too man yeah and what's the one about the mom you talking about my mom? Yeah. Thought you should know? Yeah, that one.

Starting point is 01:10:27 Yeah. God, that one. God damn, dude. I pull over and cry sometimes. Do you really? I'm like, fuck, you can't cry and drive you little bitch. This goes back to what you're talking about. Thinking and motion and all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:10:38 Yeah. It is, dude. In my case, it's too much. Warrior Wallen, man. One of the most prolific artists of, I think, ever on the face of the earth, man. It's a pleasure, dude. I feel lucky to get to know your cousin. He and I are close and yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment on behalf of everybody.

Starting point is 01:10:58 And it's just been a, it's been a gift, man. Thank you, man. I said the same to you. I appreciate everything that you do for me. Cheers, brother. Excited for the new album. Yeah, this piece of mind I found, I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little

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