This Past Weekend - Jocko Willink 2 | This Past Weekend #236

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

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today's guest it's his second time coming in here and uh man this guy he reminds me of like the incredible incredible he reminds me actually of a little bit like the dad from the Incredibles I think I was gonna say Incredible Hulk but he's more evolved than that he is retired Navy Seal author and host of the Jocko podcast my friend Jocko Willing yeah that's the thing about a lobster man is really the travel cost people don't think about that when they see them people don't think about the travel cost that have gone into getting that bastard running it back and forth and dude they

have a new thing now where they'll have a skill crane which is like you know a thing and the kids put the money in and they can you know do the control and you can get a lobster out and you try to win the lobster like it said for real yeah and it's usually like a shitty bar or something it's not even like for real yeah so I spent like $9 they went over the airport I spent about $9 trying to get a lobster and then here's the thing I finally got one I had to go yeah had to catch my flight so I was like I can't you know I can't check this lab bro oh we got a couple different flavors now this was tropic thunder yeah yeah this one

you'll end up in black you know you want to know why because it's really a pina colada oh really that's the flavor but I can't you know Jocko can't be calling something right be a little bit little shocked little bit not what we're looking for you've already came out of the coladas you just call it tropic thunder and you're good yeah do people when they meet you expect you to be kind of violent the funny thing is people meet me and they're like you're a lot you're like I'm 511 people meet me I thought you were a lot taller really it's and then they and then yeah so they they think I'm taller because I'm only 511

and they think I'm gonna be in black and white because I always take pictures in black and white that's kind of a joke but no I mean so that's what I think people I think when they finally come up to me you know I'm pretty laid back yeah I'm not going crazy all the time right some of the time yeah but not all the time yeah yeah um do you feel like that you whenever you started podcasting really because so many people love your show do you feel like that in the beginning you were different than you are now like it's that you were more of an entertainer like I'm just wondering what that journey has been like for you

at all honestly no I don't feel like I'm any different I'm just doing the same kind of stuff I've always been doing I've always been doing what I've done what I'm doing right now but just that now there's a window to it for people to see what's going on and see it kind of the life through my eyes right now and I don't it's hard you can't you know the deal you can't be someone else on a podcast for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of talking yeah play a role you know you just eventually the real you is there and so for me I've just always kind of been that's just me you know that's just me do you um do

you still do you find as you're getting a little bit you know I know that Jaco doesn't age but you know if you looked at a calendar you've been alive longer than you were last time I saw you it's maybe a year and a half ago a year ago mm-hmm something like that yeah you're one of our first guests I think actually Nick wasn't he he was very early on it was over a year ago but we were nervous bro I'm recalling my insurance provider no I was in a pictures good call this guy's coming if I make him angry we don't know what's gonna happen to be the end this guy's been drinking his own plasma thing um I

forgot what I was even to ask you man oh there you go that's what you were talking about your memory I was listening to your podcast today you were talking about your memory failing quite a bit yeah I think this oh no you were talking about your emotional memory and that's why you keep making the same mistakes all the mistakes yeah see that's I I think I have a good emotional memory really locked wow remember what that feels like I'm not doing that again see fuck eyes for some reason I forget it's like it's yeah it's like that kid with the stove kind of it's like yeah just don't it's just like yeah I found

myself just running in the same circles yeah recently I've been trying to get a little bit more into finding just motivation because then at least I'm like active in each I've been trying to get more active into each end of my day each day so then at least I'm like not just like playing from behind all day I don't feel like by active do you mean like some kind of physical activity or just mean more proactive in the way you approach your day both actually some more physical activity instead of just thinking like the second I think okay I should go for a gym or I should go to the run or I should you know set get an

appointment for a trainer you know I know you don't have a trainer but but but yeah it's like I just go ahead and do it and then and then just to try and approach this my day a little bit more like just like okay I want to do this I call it like going on offense instead of being on defense you just go on offense yeah I'm gonna make some stuff happen I'm thinking about doing this and that's a good attitude when you think about something thinking about doing it goes go do it yeah no one waste time thinking about even what you're gonna do at the gym just go to the gym you can figure it out when you get there or

your trainer can tell you yeah yeah cuz my brain man it just yeah once it gets into my brain that's where it's not good you know it's like when I'm in action that's when yeah everything will work out usually okay as long as I get my action going you know so yeah for recently it's just been just something I guess I've been struggling with is just finding that motivation so but now I feel like I'm getting a little bit more like all right let's just go you know let's go let's get in motion and I know it but sometimes it's like I'll have learned a lesson and then it'll just kind of fade away a little bit you know

and then off to or you know the value like the new practices I have in my life sometimes they go by the wayside and it's like I have to kind of recalibrate yeah well I always tell people you can't sit around wait until you're motivated to do something if you sit around wait until you're motivated to do something who knows when that's gonna come it may come but it may not come yeah and it may only come twice a week and if only come in twice a week that's that's a lot less than you actually need so you don't wait do you just put put the discipline on you know you put the discipline on yeah and when you wake up

you go do what you're supposed to do and you the crazy thing is you speaking of emotional memory you know when you get done you're gonna feel better like that's a guarantee if you go to the gym and you get your workout in or you do whatever thing you know you're supposed to do it's a guarantee that when you get done you're gonna feel better so remember that emotion right and put that thing into play so that you can actually you know yeah done the way you're supposed to yeah I wonder why then sometimes like I don't know that I'll know how to help myself and sometimes I still don't want to that's the whole

world right that's the whole world everyone you know what are you gonna who wants to eat the broccoli instead of the Twinkie right people like oh they're gonna eat the Twinkie everybody knows that it's bad form yeah but they're just I'm what you you ever been to a 7-eleven you know what are they selling there they don't sell broccoli they just sell candy straight sugar mainlining sugar corn syrup get it in the veins and people are that's all day that's what happens yeah so it's not like you're you're different you're in the same boat as everybody else yeah yeah and that's I guess that's a good

point like that's the boat you have to get out of it's like it's not like that's a if you're behaving that way that you've been sentenced to that that's the baseline yeah yeah did you know different than everybody else right that's the baseline is that yeah it's not like I'm fuck man I'm not making great decisions for myself most people aren't yeah that's why there's a difference between when we do when we don't and and right and and kind of getting out of that really it's like a slumber I feel like it gets into all once it starts to seep into one aspect of my life it kind of starts to seep

around you know well the good thing is is when you put some discipline in your life that seeps around too yeah so when you start doing things right you start doing more things right right yeah I mean it's classic right you have one of those weekends we like you know what I'm just I think I'm just gonna I'm just gonna order a pizza oh well then so you order that pizza you know from wherever gray block you order that gray block hitter and you get the triple cheese and you get the meat whatever yeah and you're and so then you just dive into that thing and and what does that do well that kind of you think well since I

did that I'm not even gonna go for a run right I'm just gonna kick back and then you know you just start going down that I'm gonna get ice cream I'm gonna do weed or something yeah and then watch my children I'm gonna call my mom you know yeah I'm a sleep outside you know you know there you go that's a little decision but yeah when you say you're when you're like about to dial the number and then you say you know what no I'm just gonna make a make a salad right now and put his chicken in it yeah just eat that clean and then you get done with that you say you know I feel pretty good yeah I'm gonna go get a little run get a little run done

get a run in yeah clean my fucking car that's what happens so the little decisions they build up so the the bad decisions build up so that's what happens now that's not an excuse to say okay now I'm gonna make 28 bad decisions in a row right what it is it's an indicator you say oh I just made one bad okay stop reset the pizza was good fine let's get back on the path let's do it now that's a mistake that people make yeah and by the way that's a mistake that people can make for like nine years yeah it's funny um I wonder as especially do you find as we get into more of like an automated almost an

automated humanity in a way do you feel like it's becoming harder for people to make good choices for themselves are they're up against like greater evils or do you have did you ever have any thoughts like that or it's still I suppose there's some of I mean let's face it it's a lot or easier to order a pizza than it is to go out and huck a spear out of yeah yeah some banana peppers yeah yeah so so that's definitely a difference and it's and even today I mean you know you live in LA I live in San Diego you could pretty much get anything you want anything into your house in maybe two hours maximum yeah so if there's some

evil food that you want to eat you can get it and it's gonna be delivered to your door so that even the resistance you know some people are like well you know I'd really like to have but I'm not gonna go get it yeah I'd really like about chocolate doughnut right now but I don't want to go all the way to the store so maybe that maybe that saves some people now that that savers gone because now they're just they're just on their phone and they got chocolate doughnut stacking up with the front door so that could be a problem that could be a problem do you so so if that's starting to occur then then there really

is kind of becoming a line between if we're gonna be strong enough to make choices for ourselves or if we're gonna if we're gonna not you know like I do you think that or is that you think it's all it's just still the same and there's always been like you know back in the day and maybe a duck would wander up to your door you like oh never have any duck you know and then a fucking mallard lands you know when you're welcome and you're like oh you know yeah I think we also but I think we're more aware now of the effects the negative effects of this bad stuff you know because let's face it when I was a kid and I was thirsty

probably the same as you when I was a kid and I told my mom like I'm thirsty she'd be like cool there's coax in the fridge yeah and I'd go drink three of them right like no factor this was just what it was hey I'm hungry what am I gonna eat a Snickers bar yeah that would that was they had some little motto Snickers satisfies that was the motto so hey payday payday bar it was a health or always a health bar yeah I was like hey this is good for you which I didn't even really compute that because I was like it's food right food's good for you so so we're more aware like even my I got one daughter that's only 10 years

old and she even she knows that she'll like look oh there's a ton of sugar in this she's 10 years old so I think people are more aware I mean you know my parents it wasn't them being bad parents right it was just what was going on but it was just what was going on the the dang what they called funny bones have you ever had a funny moment it was like chocolate cup it was like it up net it was kind of like a Twinkie situation but it was chocolate it had chocolate draped over it but then the inside was a was a creamy pita butter filling so you know you could just you could and it wasn't no it sounds like the way I'd like to be

buried actually yeah it's not a bad deal at least throwing a couple in there in the coffin food funny bones right there drakes I couldn't remember that so yeah my mom would buy you know like they got the 10 pack right there yeah my mom will buy like three of those and just be hey what are you gonna have for what do you have for breakfast a funny bone yeah maybe three so I think even though there's some things that make it easier to be less healthy nowadays right I think at least we're aware of it and we're not we're not mainlining Coca-Cola in the morning yeah yeah I guess there is a yeah I remember and his kids would make

that sound after after we drank it it was like that was like a big thing but yeah getting a coke was and your parents had diet coke and you thought that was crazy like what fucking creepy senior it's sipping that shit but yeah so yeah it's like I actually I'm pretty sure I remember I think I remember a world before diet coke actually there was something called tab oh yeah it was really had a very strange font I think that was the first kind of diet soda oh really that I can remember because I coke was just coke there wasn't any anything else it was just it wasn't coke light and coke everything else it was

just coke yeah with 97 grams of corn good brother coke yeah and they're supposed to refresh you that's insane when you think about that yeah but that's how it was but yeah I guess I wonder if there was any positives to it I mean sugar is such a killer sugar so how much how much sugar is in this zero oh really yeah so what tastes good what what's making your your sweetness yeah cuz I feel a little bit heated up yeah is is that there's something called monk fruit in it mm-hmm which is religious no it's it's something not not very religious it's something like you know 87,000 times more sweet than sugar well I don't know

what the numbers but something like that so it's super sweet three times softer than cotton you mean yeah yeah but it's just it's a fruit and so we just put a little bit of that in there and it makes it taste sweet and it tastes natural so yeah yeah it does pretty smooth that mm-hmm so the they're all go as Jaco go mm-hmm yeah and your kids after drinking or not yeah there's too much caffeine in it for a kid there's 95 milligrams of caffeine in it fuck man yeah yeah so are you gonna go are you gonna go crazy now I don't want to join the ROTC or something this afternoon no it's like the same as a cup of coffee okay so would you guys

um did you do ROTC when you're younger no cuz that I remember there was this group at our school was like ROTC nobody told us first of all what it was right which is a huge alarm cuz suddenly after school the way these kids running around school yeah with wooden guns is like yeah what's going on yeah for me I wasn't into that part of the military I wasn't into thinking hey let's march around yeah I was into the commando stuff so what I actually got in trouble on the on the soccer team mm-hmm cuz I was leading runs and I was singing cadences and I remember getting in trouble for you know singing the

cadence of Ho Chi men as a son of a bitch you know which I was into that kind of thing we all play in Ho Chi men no no you're like oh it's a it's a goal it's a goal not a fox hole like everybody out of the goal yeah so I what but we didn't even we didn't have ROTC in my school I grew up in a really small town in New England there was 85 people in my graduating class oh wow it's really small so so was it more the leadership than that you was it I'm trying to figure out like kind of pinpoint what it was and was it bro do you remember when you were a little kid like but pretending that a stick was a gun oh yeah GI Joe all

of that man that's it and I that was just a real strong feeling for me every kid that's all we did yeah most of the kids stopped doing that yeah I didn't wow I didn't and when people would when people would look and say oh they fucking elbow crawling across the graduation stage people see somebody walking around with a briefcase when you're a little kid and be like wow that person like they're getting in a Cadillac like whoa that person's something like powerful a banker or something right and I'd never had that thought I only thought whoa that guy's got a machine gun or that guy's getting

into a tank yeah and that just was what I always wanted to do wow so I said I just never stopped yeah and here you are mm-hmm we had so many wonderful questions that came in I just want to get into some of them because they'll lead us into some conversation stuff too well sounds like you're out of good questions oh no I'm not I'm not but people had so many covers awesome yeah it's really really good look over there is that the deal yeah we'll just look over here yeah cool cool hey guys Jason here I just wanted to reach out and say thank you for what you guys are doing I do have a quick question against the both of

you and on a few I guess a podcast ago you guys are talking about how you're gonna keep your emotions right and keep them under you know keep them under a raft if you will I'm doing my best I'm currently at 440 pounds was this diagnosed with severe sleep apnea should I stop breathing like 64 times an hour which is insane I'm a little machine now so I'm getting that right trying to get my eating right with the keto and the whole good thing but I've had this peaks and valleys of how I've gone up and down with my weight struggling with food so I guess you know it might be a good person ask how do I keep my emotions

in check so I continue to make good decisions and how can I actually make this work so I make a lifestyle change forever all right thing guys gang gang have a good one gang bro and a life you want to be able to live man I can't imagine but you'd almost feel trapped I think at that weight yeah yeah but I mean but motivated it sounds motivated yeah it'd be real easy to think hey you're trapped at that weight but man he's alive he's on the right path right now you know and I would say I always tell this to people you you can't let your emotions dictate what you're gonna do well it's kind of conversation we just

had because I mean if you think about it motivation is really just an emotion yeah it's just an emotion you feel really good and motivated you can't let your emotions dictate your actions yeah you got to let your your logic dick dictate your actions and hey it's not gonna feel good every day I just this morning I I didn't feel like working out I was sore I've been working out hard for the last few days I did not feel like working out at all and I went down there and I went through the motions and and you know what you know people say you're just going through the motions I was like yes I was but that's better

than not going through the motions because I got down there I did the work but wasn't the best workout I've had no records were broken nothing was crazy but I went down there and did what I was supposed to do there was no motivation involved whatsoever zero right I was unmotivated I was motivated to just snuggle into bed yeah but no you got to get up so don't let your don't let your emotions dictate it and peaks and valleys guess what that's what life is yeah life you're gonna have you're gonna have times when you feel good you're gonna have times when you feel bad and you can't let those things be so broad

span so that you can't let those peaks be so high and those valleys be so low that it throws you off course when I feel down it's like okay you know what that's gonna pass yeah and the way you make it pass is through action it's what you just said yeah you said you know when I get going that's when I'm good that's the same thing to Jason hey Jason if you're not feeling like it you know what do it Theo does just get stop that stop the thinking about it and just go and move for the walk go get on the treadmill get whatever exercise you're gonna start doing start doing it and the other thing is look man this is a long

war this isn't a battle that you're gonna fight one day two days you're in a campaign yeah in a campaign world war two four years of combat to get where you want to go maybe seven years maybe eight doesn't it doesn't I don't know but part of you don't have to think hey if only it could be at the end and enjoy where you're at right now yeah I know it sounds crazy but you know you said dang trapped in man you're lucky you're lucky you know I got friends that have been so severely wounded yeah you know they can't go for a run they lost their legs they lost their arms they lost their vision whatever hey man you're you're you're

good to go you're good to go go out yeah and like you said live yeah I think I mean it's yeah I mean it's that's it it's like you you got to keep you have to get moving you know you have to get it's just it's so funny man because that's one thing that I've I think in the past year that I've definitely had an easier time with is when I don't feel good even just recently man knowing really starting to know at a real level not just like hearing and hoping but knowing that that that will pass that the how I'm feeling is not always real some of us are you know it's just like we just have maybe thicker emotions or deeper emotions you

might have bigger highs and bigger lows but it's almost like nobody told us in the beginning like hey how you feel isn't exactly what's going on sometimes like yeah you might feel like shit but you just like you just keep going you know and yeah the unmotivation it's funny it's like when I'll go to the gym and stuff and I don't want to or when I'll go for a run once I get to about eight minutes and you start to hit that sweat a little bit about seven half minutes that's when I start to actually start to almost feel ashamed of myself sometimes for even feeling good a little bit because I was so sad I'm like oh I'm

gonna have such a shitty you know oh I'm gonna show myself I'm gonna have a shitty time I'm gonna have a shitty day and then I'll get kind of moving and stuff and I'm like fuck man I'm almost enjoying myself a little bit you know what's you know I'm thinking about right now because people always ask well how did you get this way you're like to me oh yeah and as I'm sitting here thinking about it one of the things that you got obviously got bit by an American eagle no it's think about this so when I I was in the SEAL teams and as I moved through my career I moved into leadership positions right well when I was in

leadership positions you can't you can't be moping around because if your guys see you moping around or being negative they're gonna react they're gonna follow you right they're gonna they're gonna take the way your actions are so at some point pretty early I realized oh if I act like that everyone's gonna act like that so I can't act like that so if I don't feel like doing something the last thing I'm gonna do is say hey guys oh man I don't feel like doing no I would never let those words exit my mouth and by the way in the SEAL teams that's kind of the way it is you know no one's like no one will admit to I'm cold hey I'm

cold right now you never hear you never hear someone say I'm cold can I borrow your jacket yeah it's better to freeze it's better to freeze right yeah or hey I'm tired no one's gonna say that so that's where you get you realize and so then when you power through it and you power through it over and over and over again you realize you know what my emotions as you said they're not real yeah they're not they don't have to impact the way I'm actually going to act yeah Jason that's a muscle it really is a muscle it's like it really is a muscle breaking through that little barrier it's so thin to that barrier if I'm not

gonna do this it's so it's crazy because it feels so heavy sometimes but it's so it's so thin man and it changes it's like you know like I'll and then the rest of my day is always better always better I try and explain that to people all the time even though it sucks to leave your pillow in the morning the rest of your day will absolutely be better and you're right that little barrier the hardest part about the hardest part about the gym is going to get in there that's the hardest part yeah the hardest part about not eating whatever sort of crap is sitting for bag of Cheetos the is sitting there if you

just take and throw it away and just walk away you'll be fine you won't think about it you're not gonna be thinking about it for an hour right how long you think if you just throw that bag of Cheetos away you're not gonna be like in your journal you're not despondent your chester yeah yeah sorry but happened yeah just moving on yeah so put yourself somewhere else throw the Cheetos as far as you can throw them yeah walk away walk away Jason and what's interesting is you really your life has set you up with the real you've got a journey in front of you kind of which is kind of cool mm-hmm it's kind of cool to have you're at war yes you have a mission yeah that's awesome it's pretty

cool yeah because a lot of a lot of life sometimes it's just you're not finding your war sometimes you know some of it is you know some of that aimlessness sometimes but you've got it man I think yeah that emotional part is is just don't believe those feelings sometimes because we all have them I mean I think one of Jaco's skills or one of his you know skills besides being a beverage entrepreneur there's actually pretty good I'm scared I got the recruiters in bounds I'm afraid if I have one more sip somebody's gonna parachute into the ceiling but part of one of his things that he seems to have really mastered

is not letting that first voice have be the loudest you know and having your own voice against that good luck Jason man maybe check in why don't we can we check back in with Jason maybe absolutely and just kind of and just see what's going on because I would even love to know you know how how you move forward like what happens emotionally no matter what direction you're kind of going in with your you know with some of your choices if you know what's making you feel down or or what's making you feel up you know we had one question I know about tapping out is it do we have that one yes I do all right I want to

know from Jaco and Theo I love you boy you're my boy Theo but I want to know but quick he thinks he'd be able to tap you out just because I think it'd be kind of interesting I think some other people want to know too but you're still my boy Theo I fucking love you bro but how quick do you think how quick does Jaco think he'd be able to tap you out and then also do you think you'd be able to tap him out like if you did like bass salts or something I know that shit has people feeling just feeling loopy bro that's my question dang man that's a good question dude have you ever trained you jutsu before I mean I've

trained like I've had you know I've chased like a small animal around the house you know I have that's gonna be a problem okay yeah it's gonna be a problem it's not it wouldn't take very long okay no it wouldn't take very long what do you think two or three minutes the thing man is I always try and explain to people it's not cuz I'm a badass at all right it's because it's because I trained for a really long time so what like sport are you really good at probably outdoor activities probably that's not a sport bro sorry sorry let me think about something probably basketball okay so let's say you and I

were let's say I never played basketball ever in my life right and you and I played one-on-one yeah how long how what I do you think I'd even score one single basket I bet you score one based on some of your abilities okay so one single basket and you beat me 11 to 1 yeah so in jiu-jitsu it's the same thing I just know I know the game you don't know the game at all and so it would be really easy it'd be really easy not just for me but anyone that trained you jiu-jitsu what do you think three four minutes probably just tap you out yeah no no no what if I was wearing like a real slippery suit or something that might

gain you a little bit of time but we're talking sub one minute unless you're yeah yeah yeah what if it's when you have trained before I'm good in the wind you've trained before though right you've trained jiu-jitsu hasn't okay then that's where that that's where that little little hesitation because that's what's amazing about it same thing when I first trained I was when I first trained I just graduated from seal training Jesus and I thought I was the murder yeah and I was 19 years old I was you know you just got done the most elite training in the world and all this stuff at 19 yeah and so this this old master chief like

the oldest guy I'd ever seen Jesus he was probably like 40 so yeah I was looking at him like grandpa you're like nothing for me so fucker with the driver's license so he goes he goes you know who wants to learn how to fight and I'm like hey me yeah so he brings us out brings on the mat and just lined up there's like five of us new guys and he tapped us all out damn it less than a minute each and that's what it is that's what you jiu-jitsu is that's why people that's why that's why people talk about it a lot because when it first happens to you you can't even believe it so you need and immediately when you get

tapped out for the first time when you're 19 years old and you're like oh yeah I can take anybody because I don't know yeah exactly you're just pouring shots of your own urine oh yeah right there we just getting after that you're in oh dude I don't have a quarter road gives a shit bro at 19-year-old piss is fucking you know it's testosterone in that actually I do zero you gotta get to the bottom there's theoretically I like where you're at but you're not really there scientifically so yeah that's what happens you you just don't know and jiu-jitsu is a really powerful powerful thing and you should go train some time

you know I really want to go train and I need to go train I've been trying what I've been focusing on this you've been saying that for a while I know well one of my fears is that I'm not flexible enough that has nothing to do with anything has nothing to do with you not training I have people that come to my gym that start start jiu-jitsu when they're 52 years old wow or 43 years old or whatever it doesn't matter you can get in there and you can train be careful you know you don't want to train with like some 19-year-old kid that's been training for like six months right that's all crazy right that is nothing

to lose don't don't don't go with him because he's gonna he's gonna take your arm and put it on his wall at home and you see that one so watch out for that guy but other than that if you find some people that we're gonna relax be cool and yeah you should definitely start training jiu-jitsu yeah the thing you should do is stretch I mean I hope you're doing like some kind of stretching protocol that's a no yeah that's a no that started with a why no you know it's exactly yeah you know but that's why I've been trying to like a stretching is so unsatisfying yeah I find it's so unsatisfying if

there's the the the Achilles heel the Achilles heel for me or just the thing that I really don't like doing even though I know it's beneficial I don't like stretching a lot yeah so because there's just you just don't you don't get done you know I said when you always feel better yeah there's less of that feeling when I get done I don't I'm not walking around like yo I just got done stretching out look how far I can fucking reach I don't do that so that's why stretching but yeah if you got a bad back you should definitely there's protocols you can do that'll definitely help your back out for sure for sure

yeah no I think I think maybe it is time man I think I need some stuff that makes me feel yeah I think just that kind of I think I could recently I realized I need to put more things into my life that are just fun you know exciting just new adventures that keep me kind of like motivated and keep me doing things yeah like sometimes all I even do is just either podcasting or just do stand-up comedy and it's great but it's not like sometimes adding to my experience yeah I love jujitsu because it's always you can always get better you always get tangled up you always get tapped out by somebody it's always

evolving that's what makes it that's one of the things that makes it really cool is just how much it evolves all the time and it's you don't ever feel like I got this never feel like that you always feel like I could get a little bit better yeah I like that here's a guy that has something to say Theo Max from Mississippi gang bro Jaco what was a light hunt for the first time with John Dudley Cameron Haynes Joe Rogan and Andy Stump yeah man just got back from a hunt up in northern Utah a bull hunt and I mean you couldn't really ask for a better crew of people as you heard he just rattled off

yeah I don't know mr. Dudley but Haynes is very intense he loves to hunt yep yep and Dudley's the same way and and then Rogan he loves to hunt and then Andy Stump loves to hunt as well it was my first time going bow hunting and yeah it was awesome it was just awesome from the whole experience was awesome how nice was the place you guys want was it a nice place it was a nice place and that's another thing so just to clarify and and people there's a there's like you know how in different parts of the world different things in the world there's like a different there's like a little subculture in there right yeah so like

you're a comedian and I'm sure there's people that are like well you know you got such a good deal because you got to this thing and people look down on these so there's all that stuff I don't really know too much about it but you know we got I got the luck and the blessing of going on a really awesome hunt okay it's something called private land right which means not everyone can go hunt there so there's more animals then there is if you do something called a public hunt right so public hunt is like you're out there and anybody can hunt there right maybe there's animals maybe there's not somebody on drugs maybe

somebody's camping yeah so you might go out four five eight ten days you might not even see an animal yeah and the animal that you're hunting for so I got really lucky really blessed to to be tied in with this group and and go out there and the hunt was awesome the whole experience was awesome there's something very primal right about going for going hunting kind of like for me it's like jiu-jitsu I would say there's something primal about doing jiu-jitsu right like you're fighting you know when you were a little kid and you and your friends would just get sticks and and put on helmets and just go to war

with each other right I mean that's what we used to do and that's what kid that's what little boys do that right right so there's something primal and instinctive about just war right same thing with hunting so you're out you're stalking you're sneaking around it has a lot of correlations to my old job being in the Navy where you're you're trying to be quiet you're setting up tactics you're trying to maneuver on these animals yeah just like you'd be maneuver on the enemy you got a raccoon under a spotlight you're like tell us what you know yeah so that was awesome and you know going up there it was really nice

for me because I'm very busy all the time I always got stuff going on and we got up there and like the internet didn't even it worked like there was one little hill you could go over where you'd get a internet for for three minutes but I just because of that I just said you know I'm just gonna shut this thing off so it was really nice for me to be up there and and then you have one mission you know and that's what's cool about that's one of the best things about my old job you got one mission wow you go on deployment you pack up your bags you leave the world behind and you have one mission and that is to close

with and destroy the enemy take care of your guys that's what you're doing so that's what this that's what my first experience of hunting was okay my I'm disconnected from the outer world and I have one mission so it was awesome was it interesting because those are some big personalities I mean those are like a big you know that's a unique group that you're away so it's the thing is I mean all that all those guys are just great guys man yeah you know I've known I've known Joe Rogan for a while and people oh yeah I'm sure people ask you what's he really like yeah what's he really like it's like he's like just exactly what you

see is what you get yeah he's super nice guy the same thing with I mean Dudley has invested personally in like he wanted me to get into hunting and he gave me a bow and again this is where it sounds crazy that I could be so lucky in my life that one of the best archery hunters in the world would say hey I want you to get an archery here's a bow let me teach you Cam Haynes you know Cam Haynes same thing he was super cool debriefing me on stuff and then my buddy Andy Stumpf which you know Andy and I we worked together a little bit in the SEAL teams but you know I just being out there with

one other SEAL you know we have we just have a connection that you know I you know you can only have with that brotherhood so right man it was just it was awesome I look forward to doing it again and for me you know you talked about getting in this new stuff for me it was totally new I never shot a bow and arrow before and and then I had the opportunity to to train and then go out and do it so yeah it was awesome I appreciate I appreciate everyone that I just mentioned in that group yeah just great guys was the experience where you um when you're so when you're getting direction like on something you've never

done how is that for you like coming from a place where it's like you know you were you know you're used to having a good knowledge base of what's going on in your field or do you find yourself to be a pretty good student do you find yourself having a tough time being a student I'm all ears man I have no problem I have no problem at all saying look I have no idea you know tell me what to do tell me what to do from the get-go there's no problem at all with that how'd you find the bow hunt and was it pretty tricky or did you find it was yeah no it's definitely tricky it's definitely tricky how far could you

shoot it you just fucking Uncle Rico in that bitch over the mountains you're just being like you know like like a really good arch you've been in any time fitness for a couple hundred years you just fire in that thing obviously the better the better you are the further range you can go you know so but I would say the average normal hunters probably trying to go 50 something meters you know something like that is around you know that's that's me but yeah there's I'm trying to get that's a little video of me trying to get tuned up before I and did you find like what did you start to notice

that you lost is it a really fine line between like how accurate you can be and the amount of strength you're using and stuff like that or it's not really a strength thing it's it's technique you know so this you can't like just say anything man just like anything I mean jiu-jitsu is not about strength right that's it's perfectly ever been rock climbing before oh yeah like rock climbing is so much technique so much and and you think oh you know cuz I can do like like for instance I can do a lot of pull-ups I do a lot of pull-ups I could see that and you think oh you know you can just grab on the rocks and climb

no no no there's so much technique involved that you have to learn the technique just like basketball just like playing guitar you have to practice you have to learn the technique and that's the same thing with archery and no and you just have to do it over and over again like shooting the gun you got to do it over and over again you got to keep those reps in did you find that as the way as the week progressed the time you guys were out there that it got easier for you and did you find you well we weren't shooting a bunch we were patrolling through the woods you know and that was cool again I was out with

John Dudley who's a master hunter and just and it's awesome because you're on patrol and I keep calling it on patrol but yeah I suppose it's called we were hunting yeah we were walking but for me my mind I was on patrol oh hell yeah so it's good what's that oh you're like oh that bison's from China like a fucking shoot yeah yeah dude imagine sneaking a jingle bell out there with you that would ruin everybody's vibe did you have to be real quiet yeah yeah no we weren't bringing jingle bells out there even one shake the world up on a hunt no gotta be careful that yeah yeah I don't know about you guys but I lost

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in with will assuming yeah because we played a good video and you gave him some good suggestions and stuff we just wanted to check in with him we thought it would be a just kind of a neat moment for him for sure okay cool we're gonna call him right now then we're calling will introduce you guys he got off at five east coast time he's in traffic he probably is with that baby probably crying hello hey well hey well what's up man this is Theo how are you yeah you got that oh spring rocking back there huh you got that plebe plebe I think they call him dude I just wanted to say thanks for reaching out a while

back I knew you were thinking that you know you were you know you had the kid on the way and and we had Jaco willing you know we we had him offer up a video of some suggestions and stuff and then I have Jaco here in studio so I just wanted to I wanted to just kind of follow up and see how fatherhood is going for you and Jaco's got a couple of enlistees that have come out of his own screwed them I guess to say the least yeah let my daughters know yeah how's it going over there what's up man good man what's up Jaco are you doing I'm doing awesome how about you I'm good first of all I just want to say thanks for calling

Theo thanks for calling Jaco I'm really nervous to do this dude I'm nervous to bro you don't have to at least don't have to sit by Jaco bro it's extremely fucking nerve-racking bro it's like being in every high school class you've ever been in all at once forever and the teacher it doesn't bug it just wants to strangle you dude I was looking at it Instagram yesterday and I was nervous very scary I mean I feel you I gained two pounds of muscle mass look at his Instagram a couple of weeks ago but no I wanted to know how's it going it's going really good it's really rewarding I mean I'm loving it she's my world so I mean obviously I'm very nervous to do this so you might have to ask me more

questions to get me going are you getting any sleep yeah I'm getting plenty of sleep I mean I think people make being a father or a parent out to be way harder than it actually is I like it it's so far it's been it's been easy I mean like it's just a baby there's like all you really do is you cuddle with your tanger diaper and you know that's it you just make sure she doesn't die that well I mean sounds like you're keeping her alive so we got that going for us which is not what were some of your fears like and what are have some of your fears gone away since the babies come into the world like what's some of

that experience been like oh absolutely before I was just really worried about I don't know just providing for and and just being a good dad because like I said in the original calling my dad wasn't there like I was afraid maybe when I when I met her that I would be just like him and just like just get out of the get out of her life but I always had this feeling that like I could be a good dad but I just wasn't sure so I mean after having her it's just been super easy it feels super natural and I don't know I mean my fears have kind of gone away entirely honestly like everything is so much better well that's like many

things in life we build up the fears in our own head and once we actually get put in a position you realize hey there's not that much to be afraid of and you can proceed on and doing a great job man that's awesome to hear yeah it's pretty powerful man to think that you know that your life was or your childhood some of it has been one way and then to think that you are gonna have a new experience with your own kid that's it's real powerful to hear that I feel like yeah yeah thank you man I think you should have one deal I think you should have a kid because oh Jesus man I'll probably show you this shit's so

easy dude think about taking care think about taking care of a plant that's taking care of a kid by an orchid okay I'm a I'm an orchid with a strong heart beat yeah same thing same thing yeah Nick has a question for you will Nick so you are worried about the implications for your girlfriend you said she had a bright future in front of her either she was in law school or metals medical school do you guys have you kind of made a plan where she can continue on and down that path do you have that figured out yeah so originally she was going to UMass Amherst oh yeah a lot of chicks put out over there I'll tell you that's

the truth bro oh dude sorry sorry not her I'm not her not her obviously you know but she's the one with the baby so you're kind of never mind why don't you guys finish this question and answer sorry yeah how are you feeling about yeah the concerns you had for your for your baby mama well obviously that was my my second main concern behind the baby like I just kind of felt like I ruined her life like you got someone pregnant and they have all these big things coming ahead but yeah we made plans like she she's starting nursing obviously it's not med school but she did have to drop out of of UMass to go to a local

community college which it still bothers me but you know we're really happy so I think everything just kind of fell into place and we're making plans like she she's doing nursing I'm finishing up my degree it's just yeah I mean it's cool man about about it but it worked out yeah it sounds like it's working positively on nursing is a great job man having a and plus she gets a couple credit hours by for nursing that baby you know what I'm saying bro blowing milk in it at little yeah we should send him some of this yeah we definitely should a jaco has a new drink out that you can nurse as well so we'll send you some of

it it's actually really really good brother's pineapple coconut I might fucking relapse what is it like caffeine protein shake there's some caffeine in it yeah it's like a little little mind little mind I just got back in the working out you can step it up oh yeah we've seen you a little bit of this mind but dude that's awesome and it sounds exciting it sounds like you're definitely more in a position of what would you say well what's cool to me is look you have the vision of what the path of your life is gonna be like right everyone's got this vision of what it's gonna be like and the chances of you

actually being able to stay on that path are next to none and if every time you get pushed off the path a little bit you just surrender well that's where that's where you end up in a horrible place but what you did and you're setting a great example for other people you and your girl have said look we had that we had this path laid out oh we're gonna we just got pushed off the path big time yeah but guess what we're not we're just readjusting the path we're taking a little detour we're gonna get back on eventually but the journey is still awesome so that's what that's

what life is about man nothing comes easy and you're gonna look back and you're gonna be able to tell your little girl hey this is what we did to bring you up and and we use the sacrifice we made and it was worth every second so what you're doing is awesome what your girls doing is awesome and the the end result will be infinitely better and more rewarding than it would have been had you just had everything served up to you on a silver platter like you like you had originally thought it would be yeah and you know what's funny but well you have obviously you haven't been listening to this whole episode because

it's not even out yet but Jaco and I have been sitting here for about 40 minutes talking about stuff and a lot of it's been just how how some of our behaviors and even I struggle with this a lot but how some of our behaviors once we start to set some new good behaviors for ourselves how it will influence the next behavior we do so yeah man the patterns yeah yeah like just yeah so the next thing that comes along for you dude I can't after this is probably gonna be a damn cake walk bro you're gonna have fucking you know funny bones on your feet you're gonna have sugar in your shoes brother's gonna be a cake wall so

it's exciting I heard this quote the other day I think it was Bill Belichick he was talking about something like let's not just have a good day let's have a good week let's have a good month and like just building those patterns and those steps so that really spoke to me and like everything Jaco is saying and and what you're saying like when Jaco is just speaking I got the chills because like oh yeah man like that's inspirational very a lot about yeah I took a lot of what he said the first time and and just now like it's it's pretty unbelievable when you reach out and you and you hear these things so well it's

funny man because yeah I mean I have some of the same fears in my own life of having children and that sort of thing so it's all kind of full circle dude we're all out here just trying our best and shit and stuff like that but but thanks so much for calling in man and yeah dude you'll definitely sleep after we send you a case of this Jaco's energy drink bro yeah can I ask you one more question yeah that's true man it's going pretty good I've had half of a cigarette in two weeks so are you lying to me nope I'm not not feel good man good man I feel pretty good man dude you know you should have had you should

have had a cigar with Bill Burr because that dude was pissed yeah that dude trust me Rob he already burnt me at a couple of my ends so I don't need it no more nothing else getting lit up in this room dude after he smoked me when he was in here what do you have for him Jaco thanks so much to Will for for for answer man and your daughter sounds beautiful oh dude she is I actually sent you producer her little Instagram my girlfriend made an Instagram for her so if you want to look at pictures of babies then you gotta throw the ball just like I'm in brother dude she's got him I'll post the nice picture of her

mother and dude she might even be your kid I don't know anything's possible yeah I wrote a bunch of kids I wrote a bunch of kids books I'll send you out some kids books for the little baby yeah and actually one of the one of them says right on the front where there's a will mm-hmm pretty cool will man be good dude we'll check in oh yeah there she is right there baby a lot oh she is pretty and she does have a mom oh yeah a lot of babies very unattractive but this baby pretty hot I mean attractive you and producer Nick dude producer Nick last night he was loving pictures of Harry I think he liked every single one

on my Instagram producer Nick's gonna be and obviously indicted soon I told Will I wasn't following back he DM me from this baby's account I was like will man be good dude we'll send you some of this stuff man and and we'll check in we'll check in on you and baby Iliana sounds good man thanks for all you're doing thanks Jaco no problem brother alright stay strong cheers brother yep man that's pretty cool huh that is awesome that is awesome that's crazy cuz he called and he was like he didn't he was like worried and then you hear the baby in the background you're like that's a live grenade bro you're scared huh yeah I

get pretty scared there's a lot of responsibilities at what you're scared of you think let me think about it for a second to record really feel what I'm scared about I think I'm scared you're not rep met the right girl I just don't know I just don't know if I want my life to change that much sometimes if I'm ready how old are you 39 cool you know part of that but then part of it like yeah I just think about what am I scared of man because I just want to get it right because I think about it sometimes like yeah I mean the look on your face when you heard that your eyes got big like just wait flashback yeah

like somebody just made their own little Jurassic Park yeah I just don't know yeah I'm ready judging by the look on your face my answer is negative you need to give it a little bit more time yeah I think but I think I think I want to be a good parent I think sometimes I could you and I don't know if this is a negative way to think about it I could use a child cuz sometimes I think it would give cuz I like to care about other people it would give me something to care about plus plus your dad was like 87 when he had you yeah yeah so you're like hey I got all kinds of time what are you talking about Jocko over here on

the on the slow roll we'll make this happen when it happens no factor yeah dude so if I even see a girl like yeah my mom my dad was 38 years older so if I see like a nine-month-old you know even baby Ileana I'm not hitting on her but I do want to know what her work ethic is like you know I want to know what kind of what would you see some potential oh yeah on the line yeah I'm thinking down the line broski so that's pretty crazy uh we have we have some more a couple of more good questions that came in let's do it hey how's it going this is Jace from Harrowman Utah a quick question for

Jocko by the way it's my dog Jocko named Matt for you it's cool name hands over cuz it's not on anything else so there you have it anyway Jocko from listening to your podcast and just some of the podcasts you've been on it seems to me as if you may be a little bit emotionally de-attached as well as very self-critical I find these two traits in myself to be very prevalent my question is do you find that to be a benefit or detriment in your life or on the personal side I find it difficult sometimes to relate to my spouse my kids my friends my family because I just simply do not understand where they're

coming from on an emotional level so my question is do you feel this way or have you figured out the balance between the two any advice be great appreciate it thank you guys for everything you do thanks it's a good question huh this is a good question yeah yeah um you know I definitely this this sounds like I'm a crazy person or whatever but yeah I try and keep control over my emotions as we been talking about this whole time right like I'm not gonna fly off the handle you know I don't yell at people I don't don't don't argue big arguments with my wife in fact I don't really even argue with my wife you know right like hey if

she's getting emotional about something cool I just I just like accept the emotions trying to absorb a little bit and then figure out how I can de-escalate the situation you know what I mean like that's that seems to be the smart thing to do I don't think I'm too emotionally detached I mean I I and if if you listen to my podcast all the time you can hear sometimes I get very emotional when I'm on there because I'm I'm having memories of my friends or things like that and and yeah I'll get I'll get very emotional at times I won't let it get out of control you know but so I don't think I'm too emotionally detached and and then

the other thing is being self-critical I you know I'm definitely critical of myself but I think I've found a good balance there so so what does that look like I mean how do we how do we measure that if you're just constantly beaten yourself down yeah that is not positive so what am I gonna be self-critical I will look at myself being so critical myself that it's causing a negative reaction be you're being too self-critical so balance it out a little bit you know you're you've got to live your life so I always look at all these things and and same thing when you talk about not relating to your family or whatever and I

just told the guy this on on Twitter you know guys like hey I'm having a hard time relating with my family I'm trying to get after it I'm trying to you know be be my best and they're not you know they don't get it and I'm like hey man it's not about you the world doesn't revolve around you yeah you got a family cool you need to you need to adapt your life around your family here's something interesting that I said the other day like I've written a bunch of books I wrote probably 95% of the pages in all my books when every single person in my family was asleep you see what I'm saying yeah I didn't I didn't sit there

and hey everyone leave me alone cuz I'm trying to do this I work out in the morning guess what no one's awake in my family when I'm working out in the morning wake in the world so so I sacrifice things so that I can be there and and do what I got to do for my family so I see so that's your journey that's your journey and then and what you're doing you they don't need to conflict right right I don't demand that everyone is on board the same bus that I'm on board yeah hey I'll I'll take I get on the bus before I get on my bus and then I drive where I'm going and then when my little you know when my dog my oldest

daughter was a ballerina Jesus you know what that is okay yeah yeah yeah that's not my thing right that's not I'm not into that but I went to some damn recitals you know what I'm saying and I wasn't how close I could see you like 200 yards away we've been knocking I can't make it through recital I gotta work out tonight I wasn't doing that I was like oh cool we're going to recital let's watch the kids and of course I was a little bit critical sometimes because I'd be like what did they learn yeah how did that help but here's was funny my my daughter that was a ballerina got more injuries you know psycho ballet is

insane it's she got more injuries from ballet than my other daughter did from wrestling and gymnastics so it's a it's a tough sport to highly and that's what I that's what I realized I said hey you know what she likes it it's highly disciplined they're super strict she used to come home I used to have to you ever seen those things those like massage things that you roll out it's like little little little rollers on a stick yeah and she would come she's like 12 years old 12 years old she'd be like can you roll out my gas and she'd be sitting there with tears coming I'd be rolling those things out because that's

trying to prevent and now she's nine feet tall no if you were rolling out the cab she probably got three foot of cab like Charles to choose going on down there below her knees yeah so so that's the thing I'm not I'm not making the world this is the thing the world is not about you right so you're not sacrificing the other things you have to do in your other responsibilities hey occasionally right I mean occasionally it's like hey you know maybe I don't need to watch 14 recitals in a row right because you know the kids will do the play or whatever and they show at night whatever six nights not going to six

nights look I'll be there at the nutcracker sweet right when father drosselmeyer in the building you know otherwise exactly but I think part of do you think though that you're your mentality because you have to have some elements of you know you have to have I think probably more like Gerr than mmm you know do you think that it's tough sometimes to is it tough to manage I think maybe and I'm not saying that's not what he's asking you but I'm just saying like here's the thing what could he be struggling with you know he said it at the end he said the word balance right right I wrote that book they're

called the dichotomy leadership there you have to balance all these different things in your life so so as a leader right as a leader as a leader you got a you got to communicate with your people obviously right can you communicate too much with your people do you think you can yes oh yes you absolutely can where they stop listening to you yeah if they can you communicate not enough yes you can now they don't know what's going on you got to be somewhere in the middle get you know everyone looks me you're super hyper aggressive right yeah you have to be aggressive as a leader yeah you do because you got to make

things happen can you be too aggressive oh yes you can yes can you be not aggressive enough oh yes you can't so what do you have to be you have to be in the middle you have to be in the middle and so it's the same thing with your with your personal life I talk about this all the time if if I'm okay I want to I want to build my business whatever it is I want to do my job and the reason I'm doing that is I still so I can make more money if I make more money I can can can provide for my family so I'm doing this for my family so I'm gonna work 89 hours a day then you look up in six months you look up in a year you

don't have a family anymore right they don't know who you are so you went too far the other side of the spectrum is you're like well I can't do any overtime today because I gotta I gotta go to the recital and the the practice recital I won't be here tomorrow either and now you look up in six months or a year and you don't have a job and you can't provide so what do you have to do you have to find the balance you have to find the balance with how critical you are of yourself you have to find the balance of how detached you're gonna be if you get to you talked about being emotionally detached can you be too

emotionally detached absolutely you can you looking at your kids like with a stone cold face all the time they can't connect to you not just your kids if you work for me if we were in a seal platoon together which I know is an unlikely snare but if we were in a seal platoon together and all I did was was no connection just said hey here's what here's what the next mission is go do it after a while you're like this guy doesn't care about me right so you're not gonna want it you're not gonna put forth the extra effort so one of the most important things that you have to do with the people you work with up and

down the chain of command is form a relationship with them same thing with your family if you're not forming a good relationship and maintaining a good relationship with your family you're gonna look up you're not gonna have a family anymore and that's not good so with everything that we're talking about in life you have to maintain balance you have to when you get out of balance and you'll feel it you'll feel it when you feel it when you feel like oh my wife doesn't want me to do to go to jujitsu again tonight you don't have to think my wife doesn't ever want me to do jujitsu again you can say oh I have to ease back

a little bit I gotta maybe if I'm gonna go I gotta spend a little bit of extra time in the morning or I got you gotta you gotta find the balance you don't have to go extreme one way or the other that's what a lot of people do they go extreme in one direction and then anyone that's in their way they mow them down and that is not the long-term results of that is never good yeah yeah and I think leadership as well as leading you're leading it's not just you you know with leadership it's a group yeah you're there's more than just you involved and in the long run if you're like this is what's cool so this is kind of weird a

guy asked me a little while ago he says he's a guy that we have a big event a leadership event we do it like two or three times a year and people come and this one guy he helps us out with it so I see him every time we do one of these really good guy he's got his own business really really good guy and he follows what I do and he sees that I'm writing 14 books and 97 podcast and all the stuff I'm doing and he goes you know I've been watching how much you do how much you produce just the raw production materials he says I don't understand how you have enough time for your family like I don't get it how do

you do it or are you doing it well enough and I was like you know that's a good question I didn't have usually I'm like prompt with answers because I get asked questions all day long like yeah and I said you know what let me think about it and I thought about it and what I realized was and I came back from the next day and I said I haven't answered your question he says well what is it and I said I my family at this point in time doesn't really need me that much my wife is like really independent and emotionally independent and she doesn't need you know she sees me and we're just totally good to go we have fun and she

knows oh you're gonna go do something that hey I get it right you know my oldest daughter she's completely you know she's 20 years old she's in college she's doing her own thing she's making things happen actually kids you know she's at that age I know what you're trying to say yeah I was making a bad joke yeah it was really bad my 18 year old daughter my 18 year old daughter same thing like she's on her own program she you know she'll text me and like but she's my I have a 16 year old son he's on his own program he's fully self-functional like self-supportive they don't need me and then the only one that's a little

bit needy is is my 10 year old because she's 10 and no she's still a 10 year old so so that's where I can focus my efforts because she's younger so my point in saying all that is is that through the years I balanced you know I would just constantly balance and and you know raise the kids where they are self-sufficient where they aren't relying on me to do everything for them my wife the same way my wife's not relying on you know my wife will handle stuff you know whatever it is she can handle it yeah you got to get a capable I mean people that's one thing if you pick an incapable wife dude that's gonna be sure

yeah and the most part of that capable is emotionally capable because when you end up with a spouse whether it's the man or the woman that relies on you to make them feel good emotionally that's the one that will pick you apart so you got to be careful that one's a good one to look out for so in the end of the day I guess what I'm saying is you got to have balance you got to build a strong structure and the point I was going to say with this guy is is Jace you while you're investing in your family you're building them you're making your family stronger so that they can stand on their own so that in the long run you have more

freedom in your life because you you won't have this family unit that's totally relying on you for every little thing yeah which is by the way makes them better off in the world when they grow up they go out and they dominate the world because they're capable yeah damn dude yeah I don't think anybody taught me shit growing up I don't know if I know what about didn't you learn a lot of stuff from Daniel who's drinking hot hose water bro first sip oh no I know you know I heard you talking on the podcast about how like your first girl is sort of like the hot hose water and I was thinking well that doesn't really

make any sense and then I realized it does because here's what happens with the hot hose water when you first take when you first start drinking it yeah it's all hot and uncomfortable but then all of a sudden you get to the cold party like oh yeah so it's the same thing with your first girl you're kind of like awkward it's all like doesn't taste good and all of a sudden you get kind of through that to the coldness yeah okay this is good so yeah you do remember that first hose pipe yeah hit her that's good man dude one of my first girlfriends had real short hair dude and

she looked like a young man you know and I don't know if I really wanted to be a boyfriend but I don't know if I had a choice yeah you just oh dude she's to when the school bus would come it would bring my brother and his friends from the bigger school and they pick us up after she would pick me up and start making out with me it was so fucking embarrassing and sometimes I would wrap my legs around her I don't know what else to do and they would fucking call us all kind of names I don't know man I don't even know if she went to her

school but God man that was fucking everybody has their Vietnam you know it was insane man let's make one more going for Jaco Nick all right one quick a patreon and then we'll end on a video question what war this is from Jacob Wells what war movie or TV show is the most realistic based on his combat experiences oh that's great and Jacob Wells actually know him and he's from he has like nine brothers and sisters and and I've met him at a group of shows from Oklahoma anyway he should have a podcast he has great questions like almost every week I want to pick his question but a really neat guy yeah what

so what's the there's a HBO miniseries there's two of them one of them it's called Band of Brothers which you may or may not have seen it's about the European theater it's about the first of 506 or the second of 506 battalion and fighting and easy company it's it's fantastic from a leadership perspective from a tactical perspective that one's awesome and then they made a few years later they made one for the Pacific theater which is called the Pacific and it's based on several books which are outstanding books I've covered all the books that that series is based on on my podcast it's it's called Pacific it's

about the Pacific Island campaign and the first time I watched it I was I was I remember I was on a plane and I had like the noise canceling headsets on and I was staring at like my iPad was it a C-130 no no no I was in the civilian I was already civilian so I'm staring at this thing you know four inches from my face so I was super absorbed in it and what what they did in that what what what makes me always remember how impactful that that series was to me was they land on this island and you're expecting this big crazy battle to break out but it doesn't and so it's showing them patrolling through the jungle they're

patrolling basically looking for the Japanese and the Japanese you know had decided that he would humor no no they had decided that they were going to let the Americans land and then hit them so these scenes where they're just patrolling through the jungle and you know that they're waiting you're waiting for the enemy to attack and we're not my last deployment to Iraq I was in this place called Ramadi and when you would walk down the streets or I'd be watching my guys walk down the streets or watching some soldiers or watching some Marines and the whole time you're watching you're waiting you're just waiting for the

enemy to attack and you're waiting for bullets to come down the street and so I had watching that I had that same kind of anxiety and that's when I realized how powerful that that mini series is so those two are great and those are those are probably my favorite war I don't call them movies but they're scenes or or it's a mini series that's what it is right yeah I can yeah I can I can I really imagine that if it can take somebody like you kind of to that place with that tension it's so interesting it's like yeah combat is one thing but that the energy before something happens sometimes yeah so severe knowing

someone's intent knowing someone else kind of knows that intent but they don't really know where the the intersection is going to occur just that kind of milling around yeah and like we just talked to will the anticipation of something is always worse yeah and so when you know that it was coming and when when you were on patrol in Ramadi oh yeah you knew it was coming you knew it was coming and so the it's just that anticipation and from a leadership perspective your biggest fear for my biggest fear was always you know one of my guys yeah and it's that's it's the it's a sickening feeling in your

gut and there's nothing you can do about it I mean you do everything you can to mitigate risk but you just you just and I had that same feeling watching the the scenes from the Pacific with a patrol through the jungle if a guy gets hit do they look at you then it depends on the situation right it depends on the situation that whoever that leader is in that moment is going to step up make calls make things happen it might be the youngest guy depends who's there was there ever a moment where you had to order guys into a certain situation and and something happened and you're like and it fell on you kind of or the guy

looked at you even after he'd been hit so the weird thing about special operations for us on that deployment was if every mission that we did was a mission that I had said yes we should do this okay so that's every one of these situations where one of my guys got wounded one of my guys got killed it's a hundred percent on me I mean a hundred percent because I'm the one that's approving the plan I'm the one that's saying yes this is what we're gonna do and that's that's one of the that's one of the different types of stress that you get in in special operations because in a conventionally unit generally not

always but they're they're getting a little bit more tasking from higher hey here's what you guys are gonna do you can figure out how you want to do it but this is what you're gonna do no one was really tasking me most of the time it was my guys coming up with plans hey this is what we think it's me doing me saying yeah it's a good plan so yeah that's something that you're right there with me like in a golf cart or something it depends on this it depends on the situation I mean I had basically 40 seals sometimes they were in elements as small as five guys and they'd be out there sometimes have three or four

elements out on the battlefield at the same time I would be back in a tactical operation center sometimes I'd go if it was a big giant kind of combined operation where we were working with a lot of different units I'd go out with them sometimes I'd go out with them just to go out with them but sometimes the best place most of the time the best place for me to control what was happening was in a tactical operation center it's just the way it is yeah and so yeah it's it's one of those things that as a leader I mean you're you're ultimately responsible for everything that happens and that's a that's a heavy burden to

bear and it's the one that's it's one that you're gonna have to live with for the rest of your life and it's it's one that I wake up with every single day and I'll I'm not I'm not mad about that I'm not mad about that burden in fact to me that burden is is a reminder of the guys that made the ultimate sacrifice and I'm honored to have had the experience of serving with them yeah man yeah I can imagine it's the this the camaraderie the the repercussions of such severe camaraderie as going to war with people you know it's it's yeah it's something that I yeah I couldn't even imagine you know it's something that I could even

recreate emotionally or inside of my own brain really you know it's it's it's pretty fascinating because it's so severe it's just such a there's such a finality this your finality is right there on the line yeah and you do you develop the strongest brotherhood with the people you're on the battlefield with and we were working with alongside soldiers and Marines all the time and the relationships that we develop with them you know every time someone gets witch in Ramadi there was a guy get there was guys getting wounded and killed every day you know and you're going to their memorial services and

you're ceiling seeing the the angel flights which they call them as witches when they take their bodies out on the last you know in their last helicopter ride home and yeah it's it is it's very severe and it's one of those things that I mean there's nothing for me there's nothing else will ever compare with all that there's just nothing nothing in life will will impact me as much leave me with as much pride and at the same time as much sorrow as those days for me and that's the way most guys end up feeling about the about being in the being in the military and going overseas on deployment did it go into experiences

like that where people are losing their lives and people are losing their abilities and their capabilities in war and in you know in combat did it has it adjusted your faith at all over the years or has it affected that at all or is it created it or you know the biggest thing is from what I've seen right when you see when you're in war you get to see the absolute best in human beings and you get to see the absolute worst in human beings I mean we saw unspeakable evil right so if you want to talk about Satan you want to talk about pure evil you when you go to war you get to see it you when you face an enemy like like the

insurgents in the battle or money that we're doing the most heinous things that you can imagine then you realize that evil absolutely exists and whatever you want to attach that to you can do it because it's there and at the same time you also get to see you get to see humanity that's making sacrifices above and beyond anything that a normal human being would do pure good and so from a faith perspective what you get to see with your own eyes is evil pure evil and you get to see pure good and that I think that it leaves an impact on everybody and definitely left them left a mark on me for sure what you got knit

the last video sure let's do a super quick one that'll be a really quick answer just cuz I'm curious as well and then end on a one that he can expand on actually okay hey what's up the this question is for a jocco I was wondering what your best power lifting numbers were ever and what your power lifting numbers are currently damn this guy's trying to be your chef or something this guy's trying to spot you my my traditional answer when people ask me what what kind of weights I'm lifting is not enough because you're always trying to get better and trying to get stronger oh yeah of course you are yeah well at

least I am so let's see I think that the most I've ever dead lifted you know that this is another big you know you're asking me what people think you look when they meet me oh people want to ask is this all the time no they ask all this all time they also think that I'm some super human athlete which I'm not I'm not I'm not and I've explained this over and over again I wasn't the fan I'm not the fastest I'm not the strongest I wasn't like I'm not this super athlete and I explain that to people all time even jiu-jitsu people like oh that guy could never get tapped out come to my gym watch me get tapped out like it's it's

the reality of it right but yeah to try and answer this guy's question without avoiding the question or whatever I mean I hardly be honest jocco yeah yeah two cans of this I hardly I hardly ever feel it I hardly ever bench press anymore because because I don't like you're an adult yeah well I don't like what it does in my shoulders yeah I know deadlift the most I've ever deadlift is five five hundred Jesus which is now it's not that's that's done five I know yeah that's that's I don't know what I'd be deadlifting today even though you know I deadlift on the regular yeah but I'll do I'll do I'll do yeah you know what it's

like yeah of course man yeah squat is another one I mean you know you know this is one of those ones where from a powerlifting perspective I don't know what the actual number would be because like when I squat I I I go all the way down like into the hole okay you really do it yeah well no not not saying that it's just that there that's what I do right I don't even know what my numbers would be right would you have three plates on each side you think yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah I should do two and a half plates 15 but yeah dude to answer your question I'm not I'm not some super strong dude you're price right if

you're working if you're a powerlifter you're stronger than me I'm not like well not you yeah I know you could take me in a minute bro if I'm in a fucking slick soup yeah I'm trying to think what the most I benched ever was it's not some huge number it's funny when I was at seal team two there was guy in my platoon who was this old short guy he looked kind of chubby and I actually went through seal training with him and he was he could run faster than me and he could bench more than me yeah this little and he was a great guy he's a great seal but you know if you looked at the two of us you'd be like oh yeah

jockel could crush no he could run faster than me and bench more than me you know do you think at some point it comes down to this like people's but there's something different in certain people's muscles the way their bodies are built for sure there's there you heard a fast twitch muscle and switch muscle there's another kind of muscle called medium twitch muscle oh yeah and that's what I have my muscle I know likes to watch cold-case files I'm definitely notice I have I have a lot of what's called medium twitch muscle so if I put a rucksack on oh yeah I can go for a long time and not get tired I can almost pretty much run

with that but I would lose in a in a marathon right and I would lose in a sprint but if you put me with a rucksack on I can go I can go for a long time it's good for grappling like not wrestling because wrestling super explosive yeah but for jiu-jitsu for a long like you want to roll for 40 minutes I'm good and I'll stay steady that whole time what professional wrestler did you ever see you like oh yeah I'm like that guy I don't you know I never really got that into wrestling yeah into professional wrestling if you threw some names out I might be able to remember one or two I met Hulk Hogan one

time he was large was he yeah he's big he like I guess they all you lose perspective when you see him on TV but he's he's he was a really big guy yeah dang I think I'm yeah I think his daughter had a crush on me for a little bit but I could be making that up but um here this guy has a question cool Jaco Theo first things first this stuff is amazing question is if a guy is upper 20s early 30s is it even worth considering enlisting and contributing to eventually the nco core or would you recommend every time to go the officer route and to make this a little bit more broad of a question for the general

audience would how would you apply this question to a generic entry-level position at a large organization that's been established for a long time or trying to just go in straight to a management position you understand that question Theo I do but I want to make sure that you do I guess he means no I don't okay so in the military there's basically two it's like a caste system okay there's officers yeah and there's enlisted people officers are like the prescribed leaders okay and there's enlisted people which are the prescribed grunts okay now within the grunts there's a rank structure and you can advance up that

rank structure on the enlisted side on the officer side the same thing you advance as you go forward yeah that's that's the enlisted side okay you start off as an e1 yeah and then you go up through e10 e9 I'd be any walk I think yeah the officer same thing now the only difference between these two people is the officers went to college if you go to college you you can go in as an officer it's not guaranteed but you can go as an officer what I did I started off enlisted and I got picked up for this awesome program and got moved over to the officer side so I got to do both so his question is he's a little bit older should

he try and become an officer and or if that doesn't work or should he go enlisted maybe not if it doesn't work because I was gonna say here's what you should do you're older you got some experience in life if you can try and become an officer that's fine if you can't because it's it's more selective to become an officer immediately go go into the enlisted situation the other question that people ask me a lot when they're 29 30 years old they got a life they got a family they got a job but they all of a sudden they wake up one day and say man I don't feel like I've sacrificed I don't feel like I've given

enough to the country I want to do something yeah I remember asking you that last time we were on yeah and I probably gave the same answer which is going to check out the reserves you go and see go in the National Guard go in the Army reserves go in the Marine Corps go in the reserves so where you do one weekend a month and two weeks in the summertime now you have to remember that you could get called up when we got to the Battle of Ramadi that whole area was controlled by reservists from you know guys that were in the National Guard was National Guard Union out of Pennsylvania they were total studs but you and they

were there for 14 months I think fighting so you know these guys were teachers and plumbers and electricians and whatever and all of a sudden they were there so it can really happen you can't just think oh it'll never happen no it can absolutely happen but I think that's a good thing to do and as far as which one you should go into I mean I loved the fact that I went in as a grunt right and came up and and some romantic about that kind of yeah there's some well there's just a weird way I guess if you're weird but but there's also some some factual things right you learn all what it's like you learn from

the front lines what it's like to be a grunt so now when you get moved over to the officer you can at least you have experience and you you understand it but that being said there's great people that's called a prior enlisted officer there's some prior enlisted officers that are awesome because they have that experience there's also some prior enlisted officers that are just as bad as any other officer and there's officers that never were enlisted that are fantastic it really boils down to you and your personality and your leadership capabilities that's what's gonna make you good or not not the

experience you have just like you know there's some colleges like the Naval Academy or the Air Force Academy or West Point Citadel Citadel you go to four years learning how to be a military man or military woman and you might think I don't know I thought this I thought man those guys are gonna be so good because they have all this all this knowledge it's not true there are some great ones there's also some bad ones you could there were some great guys that went to 13 weeks of officer candidate school and then we're an officer and they were awesome some of them were not awesome so it really what really matters is what

you bring to the table that's what matters the most I remember the ROTC kids they used to just end up they all bought race cars you used to race them out back of the school and everything and then and they half of them didn't do shit I don't think but do you think if we that was a dead end if there ever was one I mean not just their personalities but that whole story it like kind of sunk my heart a little bit I expected it to go somewhere and then it just went to silence and we were good yeah that's one of those things you scratch off the list of things to talk about

if we if we fought aliens or when we fight aliens or robots do you think we will have a chance yes would you wait robots or I threw robots out there because people are always asking me about the robot wars I think robots yeah I just hope there's no like you know I think robots will be fine I could beat up a fucking microwave you know I'm saying dude I'll beat the shit out of a toaster with a bat but what I'm saying is this especially if I had fucking a can and I have a go right now dude you know I'm saying I fucking suck start a high on die right now but what I'm saying is this aliens if aliens come would you

reenlist yes okay yeah and who would you take in a battle with you it's just like it's like that movie Armageddon you got to take five people into battle with you oh I got a list of guys yeah okay we'll rattle off a couple sir well I can't because they're you know oh okay they're they're they're working okay I see so we can't use their names because they're working yeah okay well most of them right okay okay well let's say then I had a guy I have had a guy on my podcast a couple times his name is Tony a fratty and he him and I grew up in the SEAL teams together and then he was one of the platoon chiefs over in Ramadi with

me and I actually started off the podcast saying hey if there's some if there's a list there's everyone has a list of guys that hey if it goes down I'm bringing him well Tony's one of the guys Tony's he would be out on like a five day operation oh yeah 120 degree heat and he'd bring nothing with him but a can of Copenhagen and like a little half liter bottle of water oh that's not like doing cocaine I'm no no factor no factor and no no qualms about it at all qualms at all wow I'm making coconut Copenhagen soup yeah so yeah there's a bunch of guys like that man there's a bunch of just guys that are just that's

what they're born to do man that's what they're born to do from the jaco podcast man thank you so much brah thanks man dude so it's so awesome man because it's sometimes life is like you never know kind of what you need and then life kind of like gives you you know it just kind of the where you where you're where you are is where you're supposed to be you know it's like sometimes you don't realize that but I appreciate you being here today man thank you so much dude thanks for having me out man appreciate it yeah but it's gonna take a little time for me to set that parking brake and let

myself on one We're moving way too fast, on the runaway train with a heavy load of powder.