This Podcast Is... Uncalled For - 5 Year Anniversary Special!

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

This Podcast Is... Uncalled For has turned 5 years old!!! Joining us on today's 5th anniversary special are co-host Heather Marie and newest member of the 3-Timers Club Chris Hurt

Hi, I'm Mike Chernivsky, and your listen to this podcast is Un Called For. Welcome to the fifth year anniversary of this podcast is uncalled for. That's right. Five years ago, to the day that you are first hearing this, we released our very first episode with Pat Lamb and today's episode is going to be a celebration of the podcast over the past five years

we'll have guests returning to the podcast and I am so excited about that but unfortunately before we continue with the facilities we do have to commemorate

today's episode in memory of Stu Cannon Stu passed away in late February 2024 at the Houston area he was a musician

a guitarist and singer played for some punk rock bands in the area and dabble a little bit rock and some pop his relationship to the podcast

he was my uncle on my mom's side of the family and a good illustration of which side of the family I get the creativity from as well as the height and the male pattern baldness uncle stew you will be missed We're going to be able to be. Oh, I was looking forward to meeting him, so I do hope he makes it. I do hope he makes it. Did you imagine when you were starting kind of where it would end up here? Not really.

Yeah? But, uh... Like from a sustainability perspective or like just from like a content and what it's kind of evolved to perspective or both? well but both yeah to be honest that's awesome mm-hmm there's

there's there's only so many people that I know but and but there's plenty of stuff to talk about so um infinite things to talk about literally infinite things

talking about I actually love how open you are to talking about different things mm-hmm yep as evidenced by our first discussion. Well, and I, so listening to, listening to like the past podcast,

which I did with definitely like a higher concentrated effort just recently, but being, you are kind. You're a kind person. Oftentimes rather cynical. Yes. You have a very dry sense of humor. And those are things that I think are. part of what makes your podcast entertaining, right?

But you're kind. So in some ways, you kind of break the stereotype of dry, cynical people, you know, because oftentimes it's you, you acknowledge the negative things that you see around you and are comfortable talking about them. But even in conversations that I listen to with people who, just, you know, I mean, it's people are people. This isn't really, this isn't like to pick on the different guests. But, you know, they would have just kind of, I will say, like, shitty things to say

as opposed to like the constructive conversational pieces of it. And you just casually don't engage with that. And you bring it back to like this. Like we're not sitting here trying to be, I don't know, it's just, it's cool. I learned a lot about you listening to your podcast. Which I guess is the idea, right? That is the idea, yeah. Yeah, I'll take that.

You are good people. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So I guess we could talk about a couple of things. This being our five-year-year-air and first read, and the fact we have over 100 episodes in the can. Right. it would be nice to revisit I don't know if you have a top 10 list of the episodes we've done so far

I don't have a top 10 list only because most of like the top 10 is also your top 10 list okay and so we'll just go over my top 10 list yeah it would be now I mean I the out of any of I'm an eternal student and I love learning and your football for Swifty's episode is definitely my most replayed episode because it's teaching me about the game of football that I enjoy the sport. I really enjoy the sportsmanship and the camaraderie and like the energy in events correlated to the sport. But I've never really had like a diehard team and I've never like I've never played football myself. and so I just it's never been anything that I really learned

how to understand the game I just was like people were like oh this is good I'm like yeah I'm glad you're happy people are like oh this is bad I'm like oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I haven't had a bad day for that but you know being able to

and so I do it's funny how like I like football more now that I when I'm watching it I know what it'd be like watching a movie in a foreign language and you're like I just you know I like the movie it's got great colors they seem to have

great chemistry energy it's a great movie movie, but I have no idea what they're saying. And then all of a sudden you learn the language and you're like, oh, I really like this movie. Like, did you see that? Like, did you see what the odds are of that? It's just a total different, it's a total different engagement. Oh, that's a good discussion for, do you know any languages of an English? Right. So I took French and Spanish. I certainly would not say that I'm certainly not fluent in any language other than Spanish. Oh my gosh other than English. Spanish I have learned to understand bits and I could

probably navigate myself to like a restroom. No, it's on my list of things. It's on my list of things to do. Yeah. So yeah, French, it's only half a quarter of it's and not really my thing, but Spanish. Yeah. I took a few years of that. It really is a useful language. However, a lot of Spanish speakers do know some English. Well, probably more Spanish speakers working to communicate in English.

I don't know if unfortunate is so I word for that, but I would say unfortunately, then English speakers working to learn Spanish. So that's a thing. Anglophones are just really lazy. our way or the highway I also took Nihongo

Onesmas Japanese Okay You just pop that right out So which was your favorite language to learn Oh Japanese Did you find it to be more Difficult or

Not really I think the most difficult parts Aside from having To learn 2000 kanji, which frankly I have yet to do. I can write and read Hirgan Katsukana and I don't know some of the kanji. But really the challenge is the sentence structure. So Japanese has a subject-object-verb sentence structure.

So the verb always comes last. So the sentence, Whatashiwa, Nihonguangmas, Mas is the verb to speak. As opposed to us where... Yeah, we're subject for a object. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, yeah, fun stuff.

And that's an episode of the podcast, too. Early episode. Thoughts I'm being multilingual. Oh, yeah? Okay. Yeah. See, that's what I mean. Like, there's still podcasts that I haven't listened to yet. And now I'm like, okay, I want to go find that one.

Over a hundred. So, yeah. It's I'm in. I will, I will, over the next, I don't know how much time, yes, I will come up with, I will finish listening to all 100 podcasts, and then I will provide my top 10 at that point in time, and we can go over my favorite podcasts. All right, then. So, but we can safely say football for swifties is out there? Well, it's, it probably, I have to say likely, now I've not listened to all of them. I may find, I may find 10 that I'm like, that one's good, but not this good. But at this point in time, it's certainly my most, most replayed. Like, I listened to that podcast.

All right. I've listened to it at least a dozen times. Nice. Yeah. For one podcast. Like, that's probably the most time that I've listened to one episode of a podcast, of any podcast, to be honest. All right.

So, shall we go over my top ten list? Yes, yes, let's do. I mean, pull it. I'm going to... On the subject of Spanish, number one is a native Spanish speaker by the name of Conrados Salazar. Yeah. Of course, a chess friend of mine who, pardon my chess duties,

is to taxi him to and from our events. And I think good guy lives in Edwardsville. And the fact he lives in Edwards, he plays a part in that other story that you know about with finding out about that sandwich. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so Conrado is the one from,

one, he seems like a very, very smart individual and also a very skilled chess player. Yes, like highly rated chess player, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So then I connected that. I was like, I think that that's, you confirmed. And the dog takes you back home. The eternal line. Our discussion there.

Yeah, and the dogg. takes you back home, of course, for context, since you mentioned Brittany's team, we would just have to be driving by that sites when we said that, and notice that there's that dog bar right there. Yeah, is it barque? It's either bark or barque, it's one of the two. So at one point in time, because I, as I meant, you know, I'm a real estate agent, and part of my value is knowing about the city.

And, right, I mean, that's like my job, is to learn about the city so that I can talk about it. And that, you know, pets are really, pets are a big part of life in general. But creating spaces that dogs can be a part of is huge right now. And so when I called there to just ask about it, they said, thank you for calling Barkay. And so I was like, okay. Right. Okay. So that's, yeah.

And along the extension, now under construction for the riverfronts for the KC Streetcar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going on downtown right now. There is. Yeah, and hopefully there'll be baseball downtown too. Yeah.

Are you a fan of that idea? Oh, I've been a fan of that idea for 20-some years. Yeah, of moving it too. So do you think, like the, because I know we talked a little bit about, like, is the West Bottom's the right place for it versus... No, there's anything about the West Bottoms that said East Village. Yes, would be a better place. It would be ideal for it. But I am not opposed to using the old Star Brain Press site because there's really nothing around there.

Yeah, you're hearing in the news about a smattering of businesses that would be affected, but they're either not businesses I really go to. And P, you know, the crossroads is a pretty big district, as you know. So there's a bound to be plenty of space to relocate those businesses and everything. Or the Royal is good to make concessions and provide them space. And we'll see how that happens. So the vote will have already happened by the time this releases. So hopefully people have voted yes. Otherwise, we become Omaha.

So what do you think will happen? Like, let's just say that the vote is no. What do you think the next steps would go with that? Well, we are. Well, John Sherman is on record on this podcast, saying that he has no intention of moving the royals. So I could see him looking at other sites like East Village. As potential, as far as the chiefs are concerned, those cheapos, well, who knows?

People are speculating Casey K.C. Yeah, I mean, it is. It's hard because they use trigger words, like, keep the chiefs in Missouri, you know? And it's, they use trigger words like that. And so it is, it's hard to look. Probably St. Louis tries to do exactly that. Keep the Rams in St. Louis, they even have stadium and everything. and the team still said

get into number two on our list and that is... Yes, yes! Crocky out. So I learned a lot in that. I mean, it kind of sounds...

Well, go ahead. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So the same summit of bitch you moved my team out of St. Louis It's also very much hated in North London.

Right. It sounds like he kind of stole their league. Like, it sounds like, So let's put some context in this. So he does own Arsenal Football Club. And it was just a few years ago, about the time we recorded this, there was this nonsense of a European Super League being talked about, which would have totally Americanized European soccer.

And there were 12 teams confirmed to be part of this league, three in Italy, three in Spain, and six in England, and Arsenal was one of the six English clubs, along with Chelsky, Tottenham, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City. The fans were having none of it. There were protests. You know, we won crocky outs. Ultimately, those owners own, but three teams, none of them are English. They all back, that, yeah, we're not going to do this. If it's pissing you guys off, then we won't do it. And fortunately, it has not happened

because it would have Americanized and we have destroyed the footballing pyramid, not just in England, but throughout Europe. Yeah. Which is, that's a domino effect. You know, I mean, it's to, anyways, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, fun times, and I just did a follow-up to this from the Denver perspective, because, well, his wife technically owns the basketball and hockey teams in Denver, and they own an MLS side there, and keeping it within the Walton family. another member of the Walton family reason about the Broncos.

Yeah, you said you needed somebody, which I'm from Denver, but I don't know enough about football. I mean, abuse in that particular conversation. Yeah. But, yeah, I was like, okay. So, yeah, we did do the follow-up and everything, and the person we followed up on is also on board to help out with French. Okay.

So we'll talk about that after we finish recording. So, yeah, that was fun to know that there are other people besides me that fucking hates Enos Stanley Crocky. I'm not anti-opportunistic. I think that we all should be aware of opportunities around us. But when you are willing to lie, cheat, and steal, you know, for the sake of an opportunity. or even just like a really like a heightened awareness of the other person's like lack of competence or understanding and just that's a difficult I don't agree with with those things. Well also important to keep in mind and this is important for the chiefs as well should they decide to leave town. the NFL does have rules that say,

you know, you have to make a good effort, you have to make a good faith effort to try to stay someplace before you can leave and stand and do that. I want Iota. Right, right. I feel, I mean, it's up to this point regarding the chiefs. So up to this point regarding the chiefs,

they've all, like, independently. have said that they'll never leave Kansas City as far as players and chiefs, oh my gosh, and them coaches. Yeah, this is ownership. Yes, and that I think is the hard part to, for a lot of people to, and I say a lot of people because I'm referring to myself. Like, you don't realize, like, we value what Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes have brought to our community, but they are employed by.

Exactly. The Hunt family. Like that's, they get to decide who ultimately, like where the chiefs are and have a veto over, over those things. And, you know, short of saying like, okay, I'm not going to be a chief any longer and actually quitting and walking away from their multimillion dollar contracts, they have to go where the team goes. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah. And again, a St. Louis fan, I saw this firsthand. That's my point is like, you know, people were upset with the team, and it's like, this is not a team choice.

This team is likely quite upset with this as well. But like when you're on a board, you have to present unified agreement. You have to present a unified thing. And so even if you are like, no, this is ridiculous, this is wrong, you know, this is our fan base, this is our family, this is our home. when you go to your new team you have to show up excited and ready to be a part of that community and ready to represent them and that is a difficult that's a difficult space to be in and on the outside it can look rather uncaring like oh right yeah you guys are just glad to leave and happy to be there now i see and it's like that may not actually be the case at all yeah there is no one

right way to do that though and an extra f you to one kevin denmoff who did most of the lying for Stan and after the move slammed St. Louis cuisine. If you've ever had Emo's pizza, you know. I used to live in Chesterfield, and I will say St. Louis has phenomenal cuisine. Like, they're a very multicultural, very diverse space. I won't say similar to Kansas City because they're very different, but we are also a very multicultural, multi-diverse space. And we have Emo's.

And we have Emo's pizza. But yeah, no, the food out there is amazing. So what's, like, why had insults injury at that point? Yeah, yeah. All right. Number three, getting back to our list, is the most downloaded interview episode of the podcast with one, Brian Boy. Brian is one of my closest friends in the film community locally, whose day job is to make commercials. And, oh, boy, we had fun with that particular episode.

He did come back for our 100. episode which was recorded in this very library. Okay. Not this room, but in the library. And, oh yeah, that was a lot of fun. He kept to inject in the name of the podcast.

Oh, that's uncalled for it. This situation is not called for. Yeah. Well, I'm like, should we look for his renditions? Because he said that a couple times, too. Like, he's going to start his Uncalled-Called-For series referencing different things that he. And he also felt what he called for.

Well, one of the things he said was uncalled for was Nickelback. Oh, yes. He has great disdain for Nickelback. Yes, he does. I don't know if he got a chance to see his shorts, but he did a short film with a bunch of local actresses, all pretend to be strippers. Oh, yeah.

Because that's all Nickelback does, right? It makes stripper music for strippers to dance to. Right. Yeah, which I don't, I will say that I don't necessarily agree. that. I mean, Nickelback is not a favorite band necessarily of mine, but I have listened to their music and it didn't

correspond to me like that. But I also haven't spent maybe as much time as strip clubs. Like, maybe Nickelback is... Maybe that playlist is... I don't go to strip clubs. So we might, you know, there might be more context to that than we even know. Right. Right. So that was one. He also did a Bon Jovi musical,

which I did help out on. Okay. Yeah? Yes. Yeah, because you guys kind of, it said, rode the line there of not having any kind of like infringement issues or anything like that, right? Right. It sounded like a good time, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was a good time. Except for the part of where Casey Fire Department showed up because they had a smoke machine and triggered smoke detectors.

Yeah. But, of course, the one thing to keep in mind with Brian, and why his, he's the number one most listened to episodes. So it was he went off, right off the bat's end. As long as he had more downloads and listens than our first two episodes combined, things good to go. Yeah. So, yeah. That was exceeded then. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. We succeeded. That's awesome. Then, of course, number four would be the first time of three. at Alec and Dan on. So Louie Stonking, Daniel Raines, a couple of guys I worked with at Silpada Designs, back to when the warehouse was just down the street from us, Downriner. I was a warehouse stalker, and these guys were the forklot drivers.

And I call that a drunk episode because we were drinking. We were drinking. And some funny moments out of that one, and couldn't the whole, what were you doing, Tijuana? So, you know, you never know when you're going to build a connection. Yeah. You know? Because it could have been just as easily like,

nah, I don't want to apply for that job. Yeah. And you would have missed out on so much. Yeah. You know? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, good guys.

I think they're both participating in the tournament bracket pool. I know Dan is, at least, because we talked about it. How was that going? How's that going? Well, we're just one round in out of six, of course. First two rounds this weekend. Second round is going on as we speak. Two more rounds the following weekend,

and two more the weekend. After that, and currently, there's some games going on, but currently I'm in second, and I think it's Luke, is currently in first. Okay. But Luke has the least upside of everyone in the group. So my sister is actually a much bigger sports fan than I am, and she participates in the brackets and things of that nature, and, like, the fantasy leagues and stuff like that.

I would, if I was to participate. I have fantasy football with these guys, too. Oh, yeah, I bet. See, well, and it's, I mean, I'm just, now I've watched football for Swifties, and I'm like, I can see, like, for the first time actually seeing, making sense of, like, even what stats mean enough. Like, I mean, I can read stats, and I can comprehend what it is they're saying, and but actually seeing, like, how that is applied and what that,

what that directly correlates to what they've been able to do on a field is just much more relevant now but if I was to participate in like this for example I would be one of those like I like that name let's see

there would be no basis for me so one of the things that I'm looking forward to along this journey is there's this is one this particular sports space is a space that I've not

I'm not put in a lot of effort to like learning about like I said I enjoy the sportsmanship I enjoy the energy around it but like I've already learned a lot I think ultimately I know some of the stuff we've talked about having I would love to just sit and have you teach me sports roles for all of the games you know oh wow that would take a while well I mean ultimately like we wouldn't have to do like one episode but it could be you know like soccer okay and today's I mean, you know, you did a really good job with football for Swifties. But where I could just ask questions and be like, well, what happens?

What does this mean when this happens? Because I have those questions. Like, what's a red card? Maybe is... Yes, like, there's a lot of them. Automatic ejection. Well, and even right now, you know, women's college basketball is really big. Ms. Caitlin's doing amazing things.

And I'm realizing, like, even with basketball, now basketball, I have played. more just because basketball courts are everywhere but I mean short of playing like horse I don't I understand the concept of different points at different marks along the court but I mean I genuinely am a I'm a blank slate when it comes to really understanding the rules and regulations of sports and I want to know more yeah number five is a sports guy Big C, Carl Fletcher. I went to high school with, we were on the football team together.

We were on an intramal basketball team together. That was named after myself. I am that vain. And it was just good catching up with him. What was interested in about that interview, we did on Zoom, and Zoom automatically makes video everything. Yeah. Carl did not turn his camera on, so I've talked to a blank screen the whole time, yeah.

So, yeah, he sees me taking a sip of my water. What you're sipping on? Water. Yeah. As I would spike my own water. Oh, no. I will say. You got to put away that Taco Bell.

You got a taco Bell. I will say going to, like, in the sports space, you never know what's in somebody's Stanley Cup. It could very easily have been something other than water. Oh, the Stanley Cup. Oh, I know. There's a lot. There have been a lot of things that have been put in that cup.

Yes. Over there. A lot of things that have been done to that cup. Oh, that's true. It's been in the bottom of swimming pools. It's been used as a jack for cars. It's been left on the sun. the road

that's on ice A kid used to as a toilet Kids have been baptized in it They've eaten cereal out of it Huh Yeah so Players do weird things Through the Staley Cup

That is a thing That is a thing That is very much a thing That's I had no idea I had literally no idea Yeah Now I feel like that needs to be an episode of its own Where we just talk about the Stanley Cup

And just the weird stuff people have done with it Weird stuff that has been done to the Stanley Cup I feel like even the words weird shit done to the Stanley Cup Would be appropriate Considering that weird shit has happened to the Stanley Cup In a very literal sense, yes Yep Yep

Even Jason Kelsey's youngest child has been in the Stanley Cup What? Jason Kelsey's youngest child was in the Stanley Cup, huh? I did not know that. Yeah, yeah. I love that. Okay. Yeah, you can look that.

I'm going to look that up. Did you, I'm a really quick tangent. Did you see the New Heights podcast announcement? How do you feel about that? Well, I know they did a live show in Casey last year, around the draft so yeah that's pretty cool

they're doing another live show in Cincinnati this time did you see that they got picked up $150 million yeah which is 150 more than this podcast is it for me it's you know all in due time all in due time

yeah yeah but yeah but yeah so yeah you could see me drinking from my water bottle and could see I was wearing an Arizona a cardinal shirt because that is my team now he said well were you at the cheese parade I'm like no

why would I be at cheese parade I guess it was you getting drunk and go around and no yeah no

you know me for how long Carl yeah but yeah that was that was fun it's always fun When I get a high school guy. Sure.

On the podcast. And move hands. Yeah, see, would have been the fourth. Yeah, I'm ready to be a fly on that wall. I'm ready to have them come back in. Or I can just ask questions and listen to all the stories. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Of course, number six. I wouldn't say, I want to how to describe. describe her. I just refer to her as my favorite person in the world. I'm, of course, talking by Caroline. Yeah. That's a pretty special way to describe somebody. Yeah.

So you're not boyfriend, girlfriend, girlfriends, but you have feelings for her. So what better way to describe her, I guess? She's your favorite person. She's my favorite person, yeah.

Yeah, she seems like very special human also very kind yes yes yeah she really is and also very talented you know yes actress singer songwriter model yeah yeah also big soccer fans okay yep yep in fact just before we recorded that we went to lose bark to kick a soccer ball around oh that's amazing Yeah, that's always fun So yeah, that's always fun We need to get back to doing that If we can ever find the fun times

Right I do encourage that We're getting back to springtime Maybe you should call her Yeah And of course I She might be available for Fringe Well see because she

The last time we did Talk she did talk about possibly getting into Fringe, whether she got in or not. I don't know. Yeah. But I hope she's, I hope she be open to that. And, you know, come in for about an hour and we'll let you play a song or two if you want. Oh, that would be, that would be special.

Mm-hmm. Have you had a chance to hear some of her music? No, I have not. Okay, go to your Spotify lookup, Sweet Caroline. I do it right now because that's the world we live in I have this access in my hand Sweet Caroline

And I don't think she named it after the Neil Diamond song I was going to say It added remix in I was like where did it go Where did you Where you been, Kathy? Cheney again.

So, yeah, moving on would be number seven, and that is the second time I had Luke and Dan on. And that was during those evil, early pandemic times. Four years ago, like this week. Yeah, just about. Luke, in our first episode, suggests I tried DoorDash. So I did. I saw your post.

Sign is no longer there. Yeah, the sign is no longer there. That said, that's a chick-fil-A on Stainline. Yep. Yeah, we went over. I did, used to keep a list of all the places I was dashing to. Mm-hmm. And, yeah, that keeping an analyst would have been way too tedious over the long term.

Yeah. Especially when you get over 5,000 deliveries to say. Sure. Well, and I don't think anybody really expected it to go how it went. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. But that was fun, especially when Luke asked, well, did you go to the Lions' Choice?

you know like yeah ate there once picked up an order there at one point and what's the food like I don't think

like Arby's yeah I like lines's choice I get that five for five and I don't have that anymore where you been

right although I did like the five for five I'm with them on that yeah now do you like your roast beef with cheddar or no cheddar

uh depends on a mood with cheddar and with bacon oh my god i've never done it with bacon but i do like to mix the horsey sauce and the arby sauce okay yeah i like a little of both on there with or without cheddar i still like a little of both of the sauces on there yeah my dad has a fight story about me and horse rider okay which we'll leave at that yeah you must have felt i was gonna be like tell me And number eight This is the only non-interview episodes

On this top 10 list It is Thoughts on Cheating, the Neiman edition As you probably no doubt heard Hans Neiman Grandmaster Got suspected of Cheating

and cheating in the ways that I cannot describe in front of students because of all things potentially being stuck up one's ass Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm Potentially Yeah, yeah That's a loosely used word The rumor is I have to be careful with what I say

Sure, absolutely. No, you're right. There's no way to prove. One hundred percent prove this. But the rumor is he had anal beats and they were possibly vibrating in Morse code or something. Telling them what the next move would be. Wow. But the funny thing is he has been caught cheating online.

Yeah. Which is totally different beats than over the board. Yeah. You know, it's easier to cheat online. I'm just playing my game here and then switch to a chess engine and put the next play and then tell me what the next play is going to be. Yeah, there are protocols against that too. Yeah, well, it's an interesting thing because somebody like me who is,

like I understand, I know enough about the game of chess that I understand what all of the different pieces are and what they're moving. are, right? Like I could navigate the moves on a chess board. But like you had said, there's like really a finite number of games of chess, especially like... There are 1,300 different openings. Yeah. And that's in the realm of somebody who plays any game a lot, that's not very many. And so that's how master chess players are born. Like they navigate and they master like, okay, it opened like this. So I know what that next move is. So for somebody like me who is learning chess and using using the tools and the resources,

like I'm glad that those resources are available. Like, it's something that I could teach myself if I didn't have an expert that was willing to teach me things. And I'm hardly an expert. Well, I... Maybe compared to you. Yeah, right. Well, I think anybody that is able to teach

is a level of expert in whatever they're craftists. If you know it and understand it well enough to teach it, that is a level of expertise, absolutely. but yeah no cheating it's a it is a it is a what is the right way to say this you are displaying yourself

you know like character is everything and that part is true and cheating is an immoral thing but it also is it's a display of like of the ego and really, really, really just uncovering ones like lack of knowledge, lack of expertise, lack of understanding, lack of comprehension, you know? And when you are at a master level and you are on this platform, like you have a responsibility to doing it the right way.

And even if that means failing, even if in doing it the right way you fail at it, that has that is a learning opportunity that is something you can stand on and move forward on totally different thing but um we watch i watched cooler runnings cool runnings recently and the it's a great movie but it that's another example of where cheating like you you lose you've lost the point you've lost what you're even doing any of this for like if you're only doing it whether it's playing chess whatever it is if you're only doing it just to win you've lost it. You've lost it. And the detriment to being found out about cheating is, well, you lose everything. That's a... Yep. So, cheating's bade. Yeah, cheating's bad. And don't stick stuff up

your ass. Yeah. To try to cheat. Certainly not to try to cheat. Okay. To each their own in many ways. Yeah. But, yeah. There have been, I found out there have been some

other interesting cheating stories to like the toilet gate things. So this was a, this was a world's chess

championship. Wow. All right. One of the players would get up and go to the bathroom and come back and,

um, so that's kind of weird. Yeah. And someone fell in a cell phone in the toilet. Oh, okay. So they made some rules right on the fly. Okay, you both have to use the same bathroom.

Yeah. And no devices. Yeah. And, you know, doing a bathroom check after the use. Like you can't, and I'll say that even to different contexts. But I have daughters in high school and just taping things in bathrooms to hide and go back to is something that's a tail as old as time. It is a tale as old as time, so, like, do better, do better folks. And don't be offended when people have to go in and check out your bathroom after you use it. Yeah. All right. So, number nine, Jamie Morrow.

Jamie is actress. She spends time in Hollywood. She's now back in KC. And she is currently the presence of the independent. And the filmmakers coalition. Okay. Yeah. What's a notable about Jamie?

And she gave me probably the best sound bites of all at the podcast. I asked her, because it's kind of an introductory thing. Yeah. You know, I asked her, so what genre would you like to work in? And she was like, is paid a genre? Which in the acting community is 100% a real thing. Yeah, it is. You know?

I mean, just similar to the podcast. Really, I'm sure, like, the entertainment industry as a whole, you know, like doing it because you love it. It's definitely where it has to start. But, yeah. It is paid a genre because I picked that one. Me, too, Jamie. Yeah.

And I guess I, I, should also point out, especially in light of the recent Hollywood strikes, she's SAG after. That's, yeah, we should, that's another, that's another topic we could get into. I could also talk about how much our pain in the ass is trying to work with SAG after us. Well, yeah. It's, it's, I mean, you know, I, there's a bunch of my background that is, like, painting, remodeling, construction industry. and you have unions, which on one hand, the unions are there because they needed to be there. They need, like these protections needed to be in place. There was exploitation.

There was lack of representation, benefits. There was a lot of things lacking that good people were entitled to. So that's kind of how they were formed. But now, like there are a lot of people say it's very difficult to work with union workers because the protections and the framework of that is not necessarily always conducive to the environment of the needs of the job itself. Right. And then you have these conflicts that just cause delays and cost money and have the actual people on site trying to do the work. Very frustrated over kind of some bureaucratic components of it.

It's not even, you know, like it's you're over here. talking about the weeds, so to speak, and we're trying to actually accomplish this task, this goal. So, similar situation there. Yeah. Yeah, the thing about

dealing with SAG-A-A-FRA as a filmmaker is you try to use a SAG actor in your film and you are independent and not planning to work on much of what budgets, they'll still send you a

shit load of paperwork. That you had to fail out, and I'd rather not go through that again. Well, and it's not just paperwork. It's jargon. It's, you know, if you aren't somebody that can sit and read and comprehend that, like how many times, I'm sure, just like anything else, people are just going through and they just get sick of it, and you're signing things, and you're going through this process,

and in the end, it's like, I don't even understand what this says, and then now those, now you're losing opportunity. because it's a deterrent. Yeah, so here's an example of a, I can think of a couple of examples of film jargon you may not be familiar with, but just your knowledge. Anyway, C-47. Yep, no, you're right, no knowledge. It's a clothespin.

Huh. A close pen. Mm-hmm. C-47 is a closed-pin. I wonder who came up with that. How did that come to be? Some props guy. Yeah, right.

Stinger, that's another one. Tell me. It's an extension cord. Okay. So C-47 is a closed pin. Stinger is an extension cord. Mm-hmm. Okay.

Yeah. And there are probably other jargons I could think of. I feel like that could be a fun episode, too. But, yeah, another one would be Shooter. That's a cameraman. Well, and I feel like, actually, that's one that I might have, I might have been able to, and I'll say guess, I won't say no, but because I, you know, you do shoot the film, so it does, I could have probably guessed that one, unlike Stinger or C-47. Right, right, right.

Even with multiple choice, you know what I mean, like I could, I would have been like, C-47, it's a cat, it's a couch, it's a clothespin, and it could have been any of them, I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. And then number 10, the finish this top 10 list is Andrew Rainey. So Andrew was a Bernie volunteer in 2016 and helped me out when I ran for the state senate. And then helped me out again in 21 when I tried to run for Oakland Park City Council. Good guy for an knowledgeable. And last time we sought, he had heard of our, he had referenced to, the episode we did with

Trevor Adamson who was paid by the Bernie campaign unlike Andrew and we talked about maybe there's indeed something illegal going on in that 2016 caucus

but we shouldn't never know and the legal thing I'm talking about of course is okay it's not illegal to have people sign a petition It is illegal if you say a condition of practicing your right to vote is to sign that petition. Yes, yes. Completely illegal.

And, I mean, you know, we talk, using the term domino effect, there has been a domino effect. And now, I mean, and I'm sure we will over the course of this year and next have opportunities to discuss the political ongoings of the United States. States of America because it's going to get real interesting and I'm just talking the democratic side of things too so yeah sure it's yeah yeah so yeah that's it for the top 10 lists and so in your top 10 my question is so are they listed in order of like most most favorite so your number one most favorite number one most favorites okay

yeah and that was good he's he he he was funny. He's, because he also is very dry, right? And I, I enjoy that. I like, I like frankness. Mm-hmm. I enjoy it very, very much.

Yeah. Now, as for another top-10 lists here, here are the top-10 episodes that have been downloaded. The most? So far, yeah, most downloads. So here we go.

Let me just, So the number one is actually It's actually a piece of music I wrote So it doesn't really count towards the podcast But it does count towards the downloads numbers So a little song called Laura Which is snuck in there You're like I don't know how I got there but it did

No I know how I got there I put it there Oh Is it on? I'm like where I want to listen to it In the podcast feed Yeah in so I will go in and find out one to you and listen to it Yeah that would be one the MA piece of media still need listen to.

But in terms of actual episodes, number one, stories that will otherwise be left untold. So these are just little short stories I told mostly from my brief time in the Navy and some security stories

because I was in the Navy for two weeks, half high school. And I did work as a security officer. And I totally lost touch with people from both. So, yeah, just tell some of my first stories, like the best fucking potatoes story.

Or, if you have problem with me in the way I do things, well, fuck you. Man, that's relevant. That is relevant. Yeah. And stories untold two, the sequel would be next. Followed by Brian Followed by ghost stories So these are mostly

Boy Scout's ghost stories Yeah Like told around the campfire Right I like it And then Pat Lamb would be next The very first episode Pat was supposed to be here today

Yes But he is not shown Or he messaged me back Well then Pat we hope everything is well Yeah Well I guess he also lives by the stadiums now, so it's a bit of a drive, I understand.

Pat, who also returned for our St. Archelaide's Day episode, and you have some good insight. Then Adam Sadiq, game designer. We actually played his game on the podcast, too. That's a wrap.

Which is a fun filmmaking-based game. Yeah. bring it next time we need up. Oh, I would love that. Yep. Then we have thoughts on being a truckie. Thoughts on being a truckie? Yeah. Okay. As in Star Trek Yeah. Oh, a Trekkie. Okay. Thoughts on being a Trekkie. Well, you said, I thought you said Truckee and I was like a truckie. So thoughts on being a Trekkie, okay? Yeah. I mean, I have thoughts on that, so I have to go check that out. All right. Chris Simon would be next.

he's another local actor I don't think he's SAG because I did work with him on projects and actually is tied with Kronky out

then we have thoughts on being multilingual and then a repeat guess who is SAG George Dean Then we have our smash-up play-thru with Brian. We have our 1,000 downloads episode.

Top 10 board games. Then Luke and Dan Part 1. Why I am now a Cards fan, which was mostly recycled from a past podcast. Yeah. Then Luke and Dan part 2. Then Top 10 movies, thoughts on being ex-Morman. And this just everything has 200. downloads at this point.

Anna McKeith, the second time, then Adams, also an actor. Conrado, then Adam's first time, then George's second time. Jared Feldman, who I'm hoping will do a segment for this episode. This will be a complex one? Yeah. Yeah, as you piece it all together. Piece it all together. That's what the magic happens.

And Jared is technically one of our co-hosts now. So, and the last one is Chris Hertz the first time around. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, plenty stuff there for you have there. Yeah, so for me to continue to digest. And for everyone at home to listen to. Yeah.

Don't just listen to the, it's all available, folks. It's all available. Well, I like, like, your favorite is not necessarily the most downloaded, and I like that. Mm-hmm. It's, I'm excited. to continue listening and digging in. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And I'm excited to have you on board. Thanks. I'm excited to be here. Like, this is an exciting space. And I'm really excited about KC. Fringe coming up in July. Yes. Cudos. Yeah.

Cudos on that. Yeah. There will be, I know that. Oh, we're going to have some fun with that. Well, and I, I'm just, you let me know. You know what I mean? Like, I respect what you have. have built and what you are doing and I want to be just a contribution and I'm enjoying the

space and enjoying being here so yeah and I'm glad to have you on board absolutely thank you thank you thank you echo I'll go searching in the evening for that call for that home The yamino

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This is the second part of our Five-year anniversary Special With With Chris Hertz Today Chris, welcome to the three-timers club. Oh, thank you.

You, Lucas Stone King, and Daniel Raines. Oh, wow. All appeared on the podcast three times now. And it was my privilege to both see you via, like, Zoom or something like that. And the first time, I think, was at Homers in downtown Oakland Park. Yep. And here we are at the Johnson County Central Library today. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. others have been invited but they are not here today let us give proper credit to the improvements that are happening to all the streets around town yeah good and bad of of course the big improvement is the extension of the street car I was not aware of this tell me more oh yeah the so have you written the street car I know where it's at. I have not been there. The closest I have been

has been donating at the Community Blood Center on Maine. Okay. So it will pass... Yeah, the track's already in place. Going past that Community Blood Center. So as it is right now, the starter line just loops from...

Starting from Union Station going up Maine, looping around the River Marl. market and then back down the Union Station. They have not one, but two extensions being built right now. The first, the big one, is the Main Street extension, which picks up from Union Station all the way to YMKC. Wow. That is significant. So that's extension number one. Extension Number two is not as big, but it would continue from the river market to the riverfront. Oh, wow.

They just started construction on that earlier this month, March 24. So they've started tearing down that big shelter that was there for the long of this time. at the midpoint of a riverfront park and that's where the stop is going to be. Oh, very nice. He'll go across that bridge there into the park and stop where that now used to be because they just started tearing it down. And yeah, so that's going to be exciting. I know there are two other routes that are planned.

The North Rail Plan, they've done the same. studies but kind of put down the back burner because it's going to involve crossing the river it would involve crossing the river and it would involve a different municipality in this case in North Kansas City and they determined yeah we don't quite have the funds to do at this time so but we'll look at it in the future and the other ones that east-west route are routes shall I say So they're talking from Main Streets going west on 39th Street, stopping at KU Med. Interesting.

And then going the eastbound would, from Main Street, going east on Linwood all the way out to Van Brun. Wow. So, yeah, slowly but surely where you're getting some rail around here. And of course, the big rail story I keep hearing of that is from downtown to the airport. Oh, wow. And that needs to be something a lot faster than a streetcar could ever be. Yes. Because that's quite a drive.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Well, I've been making a lot lately, and that's because of the small towns of the north of that airport. I've been doing a lot of chess clubs in Platt City. Oh, very nice, very nice. Yeah. I have to highlight your community involvement.

You're involved with chess clubs, you're involved with the fringe festival, you're aware of community events, and one of those, at least, is coming up for a road for the citizens of Kansas City, Missouri, which is, speak for a moment about that. I realize you're the host. It is, well, by the time you guys are hearing this, the vote will already have happened, but he's talking about the Jackson County-wide votes for just extending a sales tax to put many into some of it would go to the chiefs to renovate Arrowhead

and the rest would go to the downtown ballpark, which you are a strong advocate of on have been for a long time. Even during the Winning Side Coaches podcast. Yes. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, credits to Chris for coming up with the name Winning Sides Coaches for that podcast. A lot of that podcast did wind up in this podcast. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Very nice. Because I got, I mean, I have to find audio somewhere, and I can't, unfortunately, interview everyone. Why let that audio go to waste? Oh, that's just, that's just, and you're a pack. Fashionist sports fan on several levels. And we're recording this today on the opening day for the United Football League. Oh, wow. Oh, this is...

The XFL, USFL merger. Ah, yes. And... Well, if you look at my phone wallpaper, that's all the teams. Oh, wow. And conceptually, do they play on like a half football field? Oh, it's full 11-11, 100 darts. Okay, I'm thinking of arena football.

The other thing of arena football would. Yeah, this is why I'm confused there. I suppose I'm not paying as much attention until a certain point in the season. It's like, oh, we are in the Super, the Chiefs have made it to the Super Bowl again. Well, this is good. That's when you, you know. Four out of the five years have we been doing this podcast, they've made the Super Bowl. Much, much to your, I know that you, you missed the St. Louis Rams.

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And that's one of the reasons I'm excited with the U.FL, St. Louis Battlehawks. Oh, there we go. Yeah. And it should be said of St. Louis, do they not have a downtown ballpark there? Bush stadiums downtown. There we go. What other, I am betting that you know what cities have downtown ballparks.

Practically all of them. I think Texas Rangers may be an exception because they are in Arlington, which is neither Dallas nor Fort Worth, but somewhere between. Or Alston, or San Antonio for that much. Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah. Arlington, by the way, also home to the Cowboys and the renegades playing in the prison of Arles. now strictly speaking and neither New York team is well neither New York

teams in Manhattan so by default they're not downtown but they're pretty close you know the Yankees in the Bronx Mets in the Queens I don't I think the LA teams I don't think either those two teams were downtown see but that is but are I am getting confused I thought we were talking football for a second, but I... No, you were talking about baseball at this point. My mind already was thinking about the Jets. I am sorry.

They play in, yeah, the New York Jets? Yes. New Jersey. Oh, wow. They shared the stadium with the New York football giants. Okay. And, yeah, that's in New Jersey. Okay.

So, you know, Atlanta is... They used to be. downtown but they're not anymore they moved out to the suburbs but built stairs around this a ballpark village idea also what the Royals are talking about which St. Louis has by the way a ballpark village if there's anything there that's even if we were looking no further than the boundaries of the state of Missouri it would that would be the inspiration if you were just looking inside the state of Missouri then yeah yeah Bush Stadium

which also has a metro link stop to do their light rail and subway which I do highly recommend if you ever go to St. Louis and yeah and I know she brought a little brony memorabilia with you today yes yes this is this is the character's name is Rarity this is a larger standard figure than what you might find. And this is, I think the color scheme of the main, the hair here, is actually inspired by the fourth season when they had rainbow power, and that featured,

primarily in the finale of season four, Twilight's Kingdom, Part 1, and Part 2. Yeah. Really cool. Oh, don't forget my shirt. Yes. So long, and thanks for all. the yips that's right it's a it's the character here big Macintosh that was his

catchphrase he would either he was basically a one one word he would either say yes or no to certain things nope and yope or e yelp and the shirt is actually excellent not I'm pretty sure the artist is okay so because no one else can see this I'm going to explain it so we got a globe and some stars and above the globe we have a red pony and two dolphins in allusion to the book by Douglas Adams

so long and thanks for all the fish there we go so it's a mixed thing that's a hitchhide care's guide to the galaxy Doug Adams yes okay yep yep yes yes and the artist would would be Amy new I'm not exactly sure of what the screen name is on Twitter or now X, but I'm still going to college wear.

Okay, that's fair. It's easier to say. It's easier to say, because before you know, you're going to start talking about dos iques. Thank you. Thank you. Two Xs, you know, those who study El-N-Spaniel. Or just might be connoisseurs of more promoted liquor brands out there, yes. which is certainly. Dosaki sets more seresa than it is liquor. Oh, yes. But I will admit, let's go back to the Chiefs first.

I was pulling from them this past Super Bowl, primarily because I can't stand the 49ers, never could. That's part of having been a Rams fan. until they were lied out of town. There's a rivalry that goes back decades between those people? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, in 1950 when the Niners first started playing in the NFL. Oh, wow.

So what was the wider dynamic? The wider North California versus Southern California. Oh, okay. Oh, the Rams were originally in Southern California? They're originally in Cleveland. Oh, wow. All right. I can't stress that enough either to all the L.A. idiots that might be able to listen, your team originated from Cleveland. They didn't get to L.A. until after World War II. Oh, okay. All right. But that is where, that is why there was a rivalry. Because one was Southern California and one was Northern California. In 50.

Mm-hmm. Okay. In 1950s. So a little more context. We're talking about different football leagues that sprang up. Well, right after World War II, a lesser-known league spread up called the All-American Football Conference that lasted from 1946 to 1949, before it merged with the NFL and brought us not just the 49ers, the Cleveland Browns came from that, too. In fact, the Cleveland Browns were pretty dominant in that league. They pretty much swept the floor up with everyone in the league. So going into the NFL, they were actually quite a dominant team. And this would be the same Cleveland Browns that replaced the aforementioned Rams in Cleveland. And the same Browns said, of course, Arm O'Dell did his little stunts in 97.

six, moving in the Baltimore, and that's how you get the Baltimore Ravens, and then the expansion brands come around in 99, and, of course, they inherit all the team colors and history and all that. So technically speaking, the Browns were on hiatus for three years. Yeah. Well, I am going to say that I do not follow sports much until towards the end. of the season. I do have a calendar on some kind of metal surface somewhere for the Royals games, and I know that their homeowner was Thursday.

Yep. But there's still time in a three-game series to redeem. Always. Always. Well, it has to be baseball. It's really broken down, and they'll play three or four games against each other before going on to the next opponents. And that all adds up, 162 ams a year, 81 of which are at home, and that's a big reason why you build a downtown ballpark with downtown village is you get to people downtown, and that's something that we still have a problem with locally. You cannot count on the amphitheater drawing everyone down there. no yeah yeah that's right and uh not just respect to a sprint center or team mobile center i guess now it's team mobile boat out sprint yes uh i should know because i'm gonna because i was a sprint

customer and now i'm a team mobile customer um no that's an excellent little venue they built uh there too now if we can get a full-time basketball or hockey team that that'd be That would great, but considering that we'd have neither, I think they've put that arena to pretty good use with concerts and other sporting events. What has happened to, I understand it's now High V Arena. Okay, so that's the, for those outside the KC area, this is the Old Kemper Arena, which does still stand, and basically it was turned into a community center, is my understanding. A very giant's community center.

I was unaware of that part. I had to look and find out that the naming rights to the facility had actually changed. Yep. And they had built an entire exhibition center beside it for the American Royal. Yeah, that's been there. That's been there forever soon. But even that event is now, I think they hold it at a different place. I have heard that the American Royal,

A, the namesake of the Royals, baseball team, B, a Bayez Rodeo. Yes. Well, and many other agricultural events that people bring their prized livestock for. I've been down there many decades, probably better than 30 years ago whenever I was in elementary school. Right, because they would always take us on field trips to. see the rodeo and all that. My understanding is they're moving that's to the Village West areas. Oh, wow.

Racetrack, sporting park. Very nice. Legends. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Of course, I won my video jobs after taking a video at Johnson County was a ranch out of Miami County. Oh, wow.

and the guy just wanted me to shoot his roping calf practice and that was interesting and even more interesting the history behind it so a lot of what we associate with rodeo comes from Spanish tradition well yeah yeah some Spanish tradition of rodeo right in Spanish but it comes from medical practices in raising cattle and whatnot. So with calf roping specifically, the idea is to tie them down and they can see what's going on with the animal and all that. More veterinary practice before it was known as veterinary practice. Right. And it is interesting that only about 2%, at least in the United States, of the workforce is employed in agriculture. Whether that is, if you have a field of crops, or if you are operating a small to large,

there are so many corporate farm entities out there just as a fact. And if you, one of the more interesting things, of course, is can you speak to driving in western Kansas, if you know what I'm talking about? I've never been west of Wichita. Oh, I mean, Western Kansas Office 70. Yeah, still haven't been west of Wichita. The furthest west I've been on 70 is Ameline. Okay, okay, 135. Yes, yes.

Okay, well, there are several large industrial farms at the restaurant. and you will know when you pass a certain point you will know yeah I I passed to peak it feels like I'm in the middle of goddamn nowhere so Abilene of course you know it's an Abilene right oh the Eisenhower presidential yep library I did a video I did a job there fantastic yeah a fantastic place it does have a scale model of the Normandy I'm trying to remember what the name of the operation was for D-Day okay I thought there was an another was it operation torch or my I just we took all D-Day in those street books hey there is another

presidential museum also in the Kansas City area in Independence Truman yes I've also I've also been there I was there last answer just this past summer fantastic actually also doing work but this was chess club work oh wow so you are you I so I got to talk about this because this is okay interesting oh yeah they contacted the library contacted the chess club in June and said 22 or 23 23 okay so this past summer and this they said yeah we want you guys to bring some as boards and we'll have some kids playing chess and everything it

has a par for a reception for gay Kasparov the the chess player who I believe faced off against IBM's deep blue that's correct was that 97 I forgets which year was but yeah exact at the point when and was was the event was the event was the Was the phrase invitational in the title of the event? It was not. Oh, it should have been. It should have been. But that was 25 years ago, which is quite interesting.

Yeah, yeah. Casparov is pretty much retired for competitive chess, although he does still play in, like, Blitz tournaments. That's, like, really fast chess. Oh, wow. All right. But, yeah, he was there mostly to give a speech on some aspects of Truman's presidency. And they gave him a tour of the place.

And one of my students actually showed up, he wanted to get Kasparov's autograph. Oh, wow. And I actually got a photo of that happening. Oh, wow. Yeah. But he, to say, yeah, he's going to follow Kasparov along in the. The museum part, as Kasparov has taken a tour of the place. Oh, very nice.

Yeah, so that was very cool. And then just also very cool seeing all those kids, including a lot of my students, actually, in that atrium playing chess with arguably one of the best chess players ever. A little bit of a little bit of vicarious living there. A little bit. I mean, you were there, and you are a mentor. I am going to say I know very little difference between chess and checkers and that is unique level.

Checkers is comparatively a very simple game. Oh yes. Oh yes. That's about the level of sophistication I have. So, yeah, and I've also been in the same room as other grandmasters, including the other living person. I would say is arguably one of the best chess players ever, and that is Magnus Carlson. And that one, he was playing in the Sinkfeld's Cup in St. Louis. And, yeah, I didn't actually get to interact with him or any of the other grandmasters.

It's simply watching and being near greatness in that. Exactly. Exactly. But I did get a chance to get a photo with Fishy Annand, who was, who was World Championship before Magnus from India. Very nice, gentlemen. And, yeah, we got the photo, which we took with Conrado, from the podcast, Conrados. Oh, very nice. Yeah.

Very nice. Have you received any communication in the last couple of minutes to see if anyone else might be joining you today? Probably not, yeah. If we heard anything, this would go off and all that's, but. Oh, yes. not trying to chider anything. Just asking as a matter of course.

Right. Just asking as a matter of course. And in all fairness, Lacey replied, interested this time and not going. So, yeah, just a little known fact. If you're actually going to show up to the fence, you say you're going. If you're just on the fence, then you say interested.

one of those one of the nuances of having an event on Facebook yeah one of the nuances but at least it's it's fairly clear communication there and of course like I said you're not making any sort of judgment there just saying just saying here's the courtesy here and I appreciate the fact that you indicated as interested in this case there you go It's just a small, again, nuance to the invitation process on Facebook. Right, right. So I got that out of the way. I'm still watching all the Star Trek that's been coming out.

I am going to say that I was not impressed with the first episode of Star Trek Discovery in 2017. And I was hoping it was going to be a weekly broadcast, but that was just, It was almost a teaser saying, please subscribe to what was known at that time as CBS All Access. It's Paramount Now, so. Paramount Plus, yes, yes. Discovery, they're going to be starting their final season here shortly. I have and haven't noticed. I am going to say heading into Star Trek Picard.

I was less than enthused, and I am going to go ahead and mention a YouTube channel, which I happen to appreciate very much. They are a group of gentlemen out of, I believe, Green Bay, Wisconsin, and the channel is called Red Letter Media. And they've been, I'm sure they've existed for more than 15 years on YouTube, but they generally review films and television series and they dedicated at least two of them are very strong viewers of the next generation and for at least a couple seasons of the card they said i can't even watch next generation right now this has affected my ability to enjoy star trek the next generation so unfortunately as with as with so many things my opinion is often informed by the opinion of others.

Right. Well, I really enjoyed all of Star Trek Picard, all three seasons of it. What's interesting at Discovering Picard is they are different ways of storytelling than what we usually associate with Star Trek. Star Trek has tended to be more episodic. These two series are serialized, as in each season they are telling a whole complete story. there are very few episodes that are stand-alone or generally each episode is leading into the other or at least which like I said I haven't seen them I'm going off of the opinions of others so I guess

we are we are on we are divided on our opinions of this that's and that's perfectly fine Yes, yes, yes. Because I am aware that in the online communities for Star Trek, there's a lot of the STD taught still. Which would be Star Trek discovery. The fact that it has, it shares initials with, of an aerial disease is, it is not missed and it is certainly emphasized. Yeah. I will simply default to an event that happened in the. 79 and I'm going to state my opinion and simply say that disco sucks if you hadn't heard that yeah

that's what I say and I usually go I tend to agree I'm not a fan of disco music either okay so I was it was short I will I will say with Picard so season two falls a little time travel yes and a nice shout at to Star Trek four Oh, interesting They brought the punk back on the bus Oh, that's right, yes, yes Yeah, interesting Same actor, too

Well, and the song If I understand He changed it around a little bits But yeah, it's basically the same song I What is? As far as I know, that was also composed and performed

Yeah And it was interesting That was the concept of punk music that was presented to runs like whether or not it was quite what you might call authentic it and I'm not going to go through the quality the qualities of punk music but clearly that punk remembered from the 80s you know what happens if you don't turn off your boom box when requested you got I got Vulcan nerve pinch the first time but this time around

when seven and nine asked him hey could you please turn the music he's like yeah I really like that song but okay up I'll try to turn it off and the whole time he's grabbing his neck he clearly remembered what Spock had done the important thing is what we understand

depending on who you want to talk to canonically that person survived The pinch was not fatal Despite what No, it just knocked you out And any kind of ambiguity from But Star Trek 4 is absolutely one of my favorites Of course, Star Trek First Contact

Which depends on who you want to talk to A lot of people say that is the best of the TNG movies It's First Contact And overall, unless you want to think of The movies based on the next generation to be their own. continuity or it was the eighth overall. It's the eighth movie overall. So every fourth movie, they are obligated.

And then the... And then JJ fucked it up. Well, JJ films and the... It started the Kelvin timeline, which is an entirely different thing. And whether or not I don't know... Of which we will not speak. Okay. Oh, there we go. Here's where we divide.

I'm going to say I liked the... I liked the second-generation Corvette. I love that. Yeah. But, yeah, back to the other tricks here. Off of all here. I'm loving Lord X. Okay.

Yeah, Lord X, of course, animated, very much adults. But damn funny. All right. Right. So. How many seasons have that? Lord X has gone. They just finished their fourth.

That is what I had thought. And if we are going to be, speaking of Star Trek super fans, there is absolutely Seth McFarlane out there. Yeah. What are your overall impressions of the Orville? I've only seen the first two seasons of the Orville, and it's, yeah, it's the best way I could describe it is it's kind of like Lardex, but life action. And it walks the line between serious and comedy a little bit. There is a movie from, it's been 30 years now, more than 30 years now. I think you've heard of a film starring Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone, known as Demolition Man.

The fact that they walk the line between a comedy and an action movie with such finesse, it cannot be understated. Well, the striking feature of Demolition Man to me is. is that every single restaurant is a Taco Bell. Yes. At least in the U.S. release, and international releases, and there is another YouTube channel I have to mention minty comedic arts out of Australia.

In most other... In most other international markets, and this was a recent video that was done, most restaurants are now Pizza Hut instead of Taco Bell. You know, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell have the same corporate owner. That's true. Along with KFSA.

Also true. It's just that Pizza Hut is president in more international markets. And I think it's still interesting in how many ways it... Either way, Yum Foods owns all the restaurants in the future. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And it's interesting the way Pixar has been able to, specifically, I'm thinking of Zootopia. And it has been eight years since Zootopia was in theaters, but For each of the news segments, they had a different animal, depending on where the feature was being shown. I'm having some trouble remembering what the creatures were in the U.S. market, but in the United Kingdom, they had corkies. So, just as an example. All right.

Very good, too. So, yeah, Lordax, I remember. Prodigy, that's an interesting one. Yes. They did the first season on Paramount, it kind of felt like two seasons, really, because they broke it up, like, evenly. One half, and then the next year we get the other half.

This is, of course, geared for kids. And it's also, it's, lower decks has the appearance of cell animation, even though everything is done digitally anymore. Right. But Prodigy is definitely CG. Yes, very polished. you know, very, very, with a very strong appearance. But even though it is geared towards kids, it is pretty good storytelling.

And what's interesting is, could you please review with me the name of the actor who played Catherine Janeway? That would be Kay Mulgrew. He also appears as a form of a hologram. She appears as both a hologram, a training hologram, on the ship that these kids stole, the protester. And as an admiral, Janeway. at this point. So she's playing basically two different versions of Janeway. Interesting. Interesting.

Interesting. I thought this was said further in the future than that. Just a little path, just a few years after Voyager. Oh, interesting. Interesting. So, yeah, yeah. And then, of course, it got

strange new worlds. Oh, yes, yes, which is, interestingly, they are trying to fit in the continuity. of the original series. The principal would be Captain Christopher Pike. Yeah, which who was the first commander of the Enterprise and review with me what the name of the original pilot was for the original series.

Okay, so the original pilot was called The Cage. The story was they get distress call from a planet's called Taurus 4. They get there, you find what seems to be a colony of these, humans that got shipwrecks and everything. But it turns out it's all an illusion because the delusions have ginormous brains and can mess with reality and everything. They basically wanted to put Captain Pike in a zoo.

All right. Now, this pilot was SCANs by NBC at the time. Deemed two cerebral. Deems two cerebral. Okay, we like the concepts, but we got two. changed things around and Jeffrey Hunter who originally played Captain Pike

was approached to reprise the role but his wife said no he's a big movie star you should be doing movies not this blah blah blah so he opened the door for Shander yes and what's interesting is that later on they did show scenes from the cage

in a later episode a two-part episode The Menagerie where this is where he gets Captain with the, in the chair. Yes. Beep once for, yes, twice for no.

And basically we see that he's been significantly injured from, and basically Strangely World's, this is, this is a, this is meant to be a prequel with him. And there have been scenes in this, in Strange New Worlds that show that he understands what, that this. Well, season two of Discovery sets up all that up because, as remember from the first time we talked here on the podcast that Pike was in command of discovery for all season two of discovery. And that's where he gets the visions, you know, when he picks up a Klingon time crystal, that, oh, if I do this, this is what's going to happen to me.

I'm going to put myself in danger, save all these cadets, and I'm going to wind up in the B.P. chair, and I'm going to be in pain for the rest of my life. Knowing this, he knows, I need this time curfussle for this mission, so I'm going to take it anyway, knowing that this is going to happen. Clearly, that sticks with him throughout Strange New Worlds to the point they're at two seasons later. And clearly it does affect him from time to time, this knowledge, but that has, not really compromised his ability to command. So

and, of course, big shout to Hanson Mounce, the actor who plays Pike now, and our fellow podcaster, and I will go and say this, his The Well podcast was a major inspiration for this podcast to get started.

Oh, the podcast called The Well. Okay. Oh, thank you. But I was also saying was that the inspiration for Winningside coaches or this current podcast? This current podcast, because Winningside, you all recall, was a sports podcast. Oh, yes, yes. But the thing is that we still have to say, regardless, this podcast, it's uncalled for her.

Yes, isn't it? Unprovoked. And you've heard the story of how I came up with the name, right? Please review it. Okay. So, I'd love to hear that. How, and this is good for anyone who's new to this podcast is Uncalled for. It got its name from my very first podcast, Sunflower Brew.

We had a tradition, and I still kind of have this tradition of taking photos with our guests. And one particular guest we had was Reggie Marcellus. Reggie was right for Congress at the time. And we took a photo. the three of a, me, Zach, the host, and myself as one of my favorite, Dookudy. And one of the comments said, Michael Cheneffsky, that's what you're uncalled for. So when it came time for me to think about starting this podcast, I thought, well, that's pretty funny. And I do kind of want an element of humor in this podcast.

So let's make the whole podcast uncalled for. Interestingly, just to review, when they said that the hoodie was on call for, the fact that Duke is a significant rival with the University of Kansas. They are not significant rivals. Duke plays in the ACC, and the Chicken Hawks are in the Pack, the Big 12 or whatever number they're at now. No, Duke's big rival is North Carolina. I just meant in terms of... But there are significant ties between North Carolina and Kansas.

Okay. I was just trying to understand the... And I should point out that the comment was made by Kansas fans. That's all I'm saying, is that someone who was a fan of the University of Kansas took exception to the fact that you were wearing a hoodie for Duke University. Yeah. I own similar hoodies for the University of Missouri, Kansas City, which I have a very good reason for owning those particular hitties.

But because you are a graduate of the University. Because I am a graduate of the University of Missouri, Kansas City. And you cannot wait for the streetcar line to go over for. Just make the tournament at least once. And which division? Yon Ks-C-SD-1. Okay, okay. Summately.

We did spend all the time. the WAC, the Western Athletic Conference, which was our only, the only chance we had at any postseason play at all was in the whack. Granted, we did lose to the eventual champions a year of that tournament, which would have been the University of Wyoming. But we've never met the big dance. And the only way we're ever going to make the big dance is win the Summit League tournaments. And we have yet to do that. We didn't win the WAC tournament either when we were there. And, by the way, the Summit League was called the MidCon when I was a student there.

I will say that at some point, you are almost speaking a language that is more than a few degrees foreign to me. Right. And, of course, this is the same University of Missouri, Kansas City, which will be the southern terminus of the case. Streetcar line when that gets done. Do you have much involvement with the University of, sorry with UMKC? I still get the email alumni emails from time to time and sad that they closed down their community program because that was a that was a good program. Community University. Community University yeah it is basically just classes you could take for fairly cheap that weren't for credit or anything but you could learn some of that pretty cool

skills and so yeah do you still have much involvement with Johnson County Community College also not quite but my tax dollars to help the place out and of course we have votes every couple of years on some of the board trustees so that's right that's right yeah So yeah, yeah. I don't have too much to talk about as far as my life goes. I work a full-time job. I pay my taxes too.

But I live as a tenant. I don't live as a property owner. So although I'm certain that some of my sales taxes certainly go to things. And, of course, I pay my property tax. My personal vehicle every year, so there's that. Yeah, I'll be writing a check for me. my vehicle tax here soon I got a check for state income tax just a couple days ago and had to write a check for federal income tax and I have to save a bunch of money for car

repairs right now yeah car repairs ain't cheap no no no no So, are you still looking for any sponsors for your podcast? Always. Always. They still have not happened. If you want to sponsor the podcast, let me know. I will gladly listen to any and all offers. But as of this recording, no one has come forward with a sponsorship.

they get in another way that could help with that is subscribe to the podcast and share it with your friends because yeah I think a couple of things just to on historical notes is that both you and I were involved with in the improvisational troop at Johnson County Community College yeah that was how you and I first became and that's been more than 30 years now or sorry 20 years we're not quite that oh my goodness there's a difference between the 90s and the year 2000s and my math is terrible right now so I meant to say it's been about 20 years since our enrollment with that yeah is it's 20 years this year yes well the end the end of the that no the beginning of this yeah yes but

because yeah it would have been I was just starting to work security at the time too so it's been hardly 2004. And you still would have been working with Kansas City Public Television at that time. No, that was later. That was later. That was 2012. Okay, my goodness.

We've been Facebook friends for a while, but I need to look back and review some of those fun things. What are some of those? And like I said, I know you're the host here, but I want to go ahead and say... I've been to Johnson County like three different times if that helps. Okay. What, overlooking,

over the last five years that this podcast has been on call for. Yeah. Anything that sticks in your mind specifically? Just I have a wide variety of friends that have been on this podcast, and I continue to welcome them and adds to this podcast, which really, if you stop the thing about it, is my midlife crisis. Oh, good. Because, I mean, I did start this podcast when I turned 40.

Oh, wow. Yeah. And, yeah, just have it out there out in the ether for anyone to listen to. And if they do, then I, wow, this dude is right an interesting life. And there's a lot to talk about. Well, yes. Just as a matter, speaking just to the fact that you have a lot of associates and you have a lot of community involvement. You, you, besides the French Festival, the fact that you worked to Kansas City, public television for a few years, you've been involved with the, what is the program out of the community college? On the J-GF program? Yes, go ahead and, well, oh, it's the...

That's just in TV. Oh, okay. There wasn't so much, not so much, the involvement with the journalism department. It is part of the journalism departments, but, yeah. but also you're involved with metering chess but also the fact that what was the you've also been part of the local film community and still am really

although I will be honest I haven't been doing much filmmaking lately for obvious reasons one of the not so obvious reasons is you may notice I have a new machine then for MNI Oh I had not Yeah And Adobe and Apple kind of messed up

because now I can't use the stuff that I purchased back in 2012 to make media because it is now considered outdated. Oh, this architecture does not support it. Now if I want to use anything Adobe, you have to pay a subscription.

after that. I paid over two, three hundred bucks back in 2012 to use the Adobe Suites as it was with everything

and I can't do that right now. Because it's being consumed by car repairs etc. Well, yeah. And you were just against a subscription model, which a lot of stuff is going to a subscription. That bullshit.

Oh, yes. I have to mention... Microsoft, Constantine 2, Microsoft Office. That's now on a subscription basis. And I'm not a fan of that either, because that also costs money. There is another YouTube channel that I have to mention. If you've never heard of Lewis Rossman, a fantastic guy. He actually started about 12 years ago repairing MacBooks,

and he was in New York City for a very long time. Within the last three years, has relocated to Austin, Texas, simply because he got tired of the bureaucratic mess in New York City. And he is a advocate for right to repair and against a lot of subscription-based. Right. I recommend his channel if you haven't taken a look at it. I have not, so we'll definitely take a look at it. Rossman has two S's and two ends.

Okay. And Lewis has spelled the French way. All right. I highly recommend that channel as well. I'm sure there are other, there's also another fun YouTube channel that I love very much called Hoovey's Garage. Tyler Hoover out of Wichita,

and there are two channels that he will often appear on is the Car Wizard and the Car Ninja, both located near either Newton or Wichita, Kansas. Okay. Yeah. I spend too much of my time watching YouTube you inspire me by being someone who's actively creating stuff in. So I appreciate your efforts, and I appreciate being part of them today.

And I appreciate you being a part of this podcast from really the very beginning, because you were one of my first eight asks, including Lucas. Dan came at Lucas's invitation, and Mr. Pat Lamb, and well, was actually my very first guest. Oh, very nice. Yeah. All right. So, all right. So let's go on to wrap up this fifth year anniversary edition of the podcast.

and let's do a revisiting of my top podcasts that are not mine so we're just going to do a top five today have time considerations but it goes number one

the well the podcast that's kind of inspired this podcast so and Brandon thank you guys for offering the inspiration to do so for those who haven't been listening yet definitely check it as focus primarily on creativity and I found about it because I am a Treki and Hanson Mounts does play Captain Christopher Pike

And there are a couple of Trek-related episodes in the podcast, but I would once again recommend the episode Martini Samurai, which will give you some idea of what a drunk Christopher Pike would sound like. Don't get me wrong. I love her. I think she's a lovely person, but at the end of the day, and I hope so to say it's about me. Who gives a shit?

All right. So, number one, the well. Number two, a podcast you'll be hearing us talk about during the course of season seven. That is New Heights, Travis and Jason Kelsey. I started to listen, of course, right after Travis and Taylor went public. uh what the fuss is all about and honestly it's a very good uh podcast and uh one that has been a winner live awards lately and deserved really so uh travis's jason do a great job and of course i got point out my contribution completely accidental and kind of related to this podcast i've told the story

already I was in Edwardsville picking Conrado up for a club one night and just

having to stop by the restaurant and learned about the sandwich I didn't order a sandwich then but

oh this is pretty cool does anything to do with the podcast and then I took a snap of the of the menu item

posted it to Reddit and And then the very next Wednesday, when those episodes come out, is hearing Travis, Taylor-Swiss boyfriend reading my words pretty much verbatim, although he did butcher my names. And so I am responsible for his unholy mayo whipping ASMR noises. But it is definitely a fun podcast to listen to, and even if you're, especially if you're a fan of American football. But even if you're not, just give it a listen. Other segments I would suggest listening to, they got into an argument over the question, how many holes is a straw have?

Are you team one hole or team two holes? And that digress is into, oh, a taco's a sandwich, oh, fucking burritos a sandwich. And another segment I would strongly suggest to this too is Jason giving a synopsis of the Twilight movies. is so painfully detailed and driving Travis crazy despite Jason being well I'm team this movie shouldn't exist definitely check that out

number three the podcast version of an only but goodie for me at least and that's Countdown with Keith Olberman I used to watch Oberman on a fairly regular basis when he was still on MSNBC. And I really liked, especially like his worst persons in the world segment. And especially like that when he named Bill O'Reilly, worst person in the world.

So he's still doing that. Not so much for Bell anymore. doing for other idiots out there and using his podcast to talk about stories

that he hadn't really told mostly about his career in TV and radio and so we finally heard the backstory

of the famous Boston Market eat something commercial they fell off a cliff and uh sprained a few muscles

during that shoots uh yeah good good stuff so countdown with Keith Oliver

number three number four the Delta Flyers Garrett Wong and Robert Tucker McNeil it's basically a start off as a Voyager

rewatch between two members of the Voyager castes. These are the actors played Harry Kim and Tom Parris, respectively. So they took upon the shows to re-watch

all of Voyager. They have since finished Voyager and now watching Deep Space 9. So credit to them, keep up with good work, guys. And number five on this list, I could go a number of different ways, but I will go with

conduct detrimental. Done by It's a sports law podcast done by two sports letters, Dan Lust and Daniel Wallet. And I highly recommend that they do so that no one in sports media has really, certainly national sports media, has really taken the time to do. And that's go in depth with the whole St. Louis NFL lawsuit. they devoted hours just to that lawsuit and I highly recommend listen to them especially if you're outside of St. Louis you probably haven't heard

some of the stuff that we learned from the lawsuits everything you probably don't know some of the backstory of what happens but I do highly recommend they talk about other cases too that relates to sports but definitely check out all the stuff they talk about St. Louis

and that's going to do it. This is a very long one. I don't know if we got to Twilight Empire I'm long but it is a pretty long episode of the podcast and now is a great time to

wrap this up so this podcast is uncalled for It's hosted, produced, and edited by myself, Mike Chernevsky, as it has been for the past five years, and we'll be for as long as I want to keep doing this. All right. Special thanks to our guests, Heather Murray and Chris Hertz, for today's episode. Our opening music is Iron Bacon by Kevin McLeod andcomptech. Licensed on Creative Commons Attribution License

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