This Podcast Is... Uncalled For - Dalton Chavez

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

Dalton is a fellow chess instructor who comes on to talk about chess - and South Park.

Hi, I'm Mike Chernivsky, and your listen to this podcast is Un Called For. All right, welcome to the podcast, and we have a special episode today. Please welcome Coach Dalton. Hello. Hi. I'll let you go and introduce yourself. Yeah, Coach Dalt, D-A-L-T, like Walt Disney, but Dalwisney. That's how I introduced myself.

Even when I was a kid, I was always adult. I like that joke. and not adult but I can see that I've been called that or worse before for sure funny so we're both chess instructors you just started working with us not not too long ago yeah like May June we'll call it yeah yeah May June 23 so one of the reasons I want to bring you on was I was going to have you teach Braden had to play chess but he quit. So we'll just do a quick discussion of chess,

the basics of how it's played and some other stuff. And if we have time, we'll talk a little South Park. Oh, cool, sure. Whatever's clever, yeah. Yeah. So for the uninitiated chess, we're playing on an 8-by-8 grid, basically. It's two players, and each player gets 16 pieces, eight ponds, two knights, two bishops, two rooks, queen, and a king. When you said it's a 64-square game, it reminded me of, I mean, you've heard the phrase back to square one, right?

You know where that comes from? Right, it is. Well, it comes from radio and broadcast. before television, when they just had radio, soccer was still popular, and the announcers had to describe where the ball was on the soccer field. And so if there was an attempt on the goal and the ball went back to the goalie, the ball is back at square one. And they divided the soccer field up into grids like that.

So, yeah, we'll have to describe the chessboard in a similar fashion. Right? So there are 64 squares, just like you said. There are rows that go left and right of eight squares, and they're called ranks. First through the eighth rank, on the first and second rank, white sets up their pieces. The second rank and the seventh rank are where the pawns go, white and black, respectively. The rows, the columns are called files, and again there's eight files. A through H is what we call them, as opposed to one through eight for the ranks. On the A and H files, on the first and eighth ranks, the rooks set up.

And the rooks are the ones that look like castles. And I always tell the kids that, you know, it's the house. It's where everybody lives. So they go on the outside and everything else goes on the inside of those castles. On the A2, H, or excuse me, on the B1, G1, B8, and G8 squares, one square in from the castles, A lot of the knights, I always tell the kids that the knights are smelly because, you know, they produce feces. And so they want to be as far away from the king and queen as possible, but they still need to live inside the castle. So they stay inside the castles, but on as far as way as possible.

The next square in from the knights. I should point out before you continue. The knights do resemble horses, and I hear way too many kids saying, well, how's the horse move? Right, yeah, how does the horse move again? Just remember Bob Seeger, you know, working on the night moves. Working on the night. Yes, yes, yes. And, you know, the knight is a hard piece to describe how it moves.

But if we think of a jumping knight, you know, with a lance and how the knight gallops and the lance is off to the side, I think that's kind of the representation of the attack of the night. So we'll discuss peace movement a little bit, but the knight does have a unique way of moving. It's basically an L shape, one, two, and then one. So that's two squares in one direction, and one square in another direction. I like how Beth Harmon describes it as well in the Queen's Gambit. You know, the old basement man asked him, and this one, and he points to the knight, and she says, one straight, one diagonal. Uh-huh, okay, yeah, I guess that is true. Yeah, one straight, one diagonal. I think she says forward, but I like straight better because the knight can't go

backwards right so anyway back to your description you were talking about bishops next one more in from the knights are the bishops the bishops you know in their historical role were the advisors to the king and queen and so they need to stay close to the king and queen uh the queen you know i did start off saying the queen's a lady the lady likes to match her dress with the color she is with the square she starts on but i've gone slightly from that to saying the queen's an artist the queen like likes to match what color the queen is with the square the queen starts on. That's some of the kids have a little, some kids have problems with it. They try to flip the king and queen.

The simplest way to tell between the two pieces is kings are a taller and B will usually have a cross on top. There's also the Lord's song Royals, which says, I am Lord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hi, I'm Lord. Sorry, we're getting to the South Park there. You know where she got the inspiration of that, remember? She saw a picture of Mike Hosmer on a magazine or something like that. George Brett. Oh, George Brett, yeah, with the Royals on there.

Mr. Royal. Yeah. The Mr. Royal, yeah. The Mr. Royal. So, no offense to Hosmer, but, yeah. But she says, you know, baby, all rule, all rule. You can call me Queen B. Queen B. But the queen starts on the D file, so I say the queen. D. I don't ever sing to my kids because I want to keep them in chess club. And so the less singing the better. But yes. That protects you from copyright strikes. True. Yeah. I don't want to pay Randy Marsh any more money than he's already making. So yeah, the queen goes on the D file,

which for the white queen will be a white square on the first rank and for the black queen, a black square on the eighth rank. And that leaves only one square for the king. The king represents us on the chess board. There are eight squares around the king, if he's in the middle. When the king starts on the first or the eighth rank, there are only six squares around him. And basically you move your pieces to control the square the king is on and all of the squares that are around the king. If you can see the king with one of your pieces and all of the squares around the king are

controlled or blocked, then that is checkmate, right? We say that we move a piece to see the king, and that's check. And the king always has three options to get out of check. He can either move out of the way. He can block it with the piece, or he can simply take the piece that is checking him. We go with the ABC acronym, avoid block capture. Avoid block capture. And it's only when we cannot avoid block capture.

That is the only way to actually checkmate somebody. Also, another problem that kids seem to have is you can never willingly move your own king and do check. Yes, yes, that's an illegal move. Yeah, I got a lot of law break. in our clubs who love to make illegal moves. Also, kids love to take the king if they see that they can and they will just snatch it right up. That's another thing. That's another thing that's,

well, one of the reasons I don't like Buckhouse, is that's, which, for the end, initiate, is a two-board variance where you're swapping, where you catch your piece and you swap into the guy next to you and they can put it on the board. Any kids get loud when they play this, B, you have to pretty much yell at then,

hey, reset your board. All right. And it reinforces the idea with them that it's okay to take the king. It is not okay to take the king in standard chess. You are just looking for checkmates. Yeah.

They're looking to be sneaky or to distract their opponent when it's much more rewarding to actually correctly checkmate somebody. And yeah, try to make an example. of that. I like to,

so I'm a board gamer outside of a chess and one of the games I like that actually got me into the hobby is called Lords of Waterty which is a

D&D themed worker placement game. Our major friend Mike T has this game as well but he has the expansion the scounters

of skull parts which I don't particularly care for bug has is like the scounters of skull part Ah, uh-huh. It's taking something beautiful and, uh, you know, yeah, adding, putting it in MS paint and letting the smear function go right. Right.

So the board, like we said, 64 squares, you can divide it up into 32 squares, your side, your opponent's side, that would be, you know, the board closest to you and the board closest to them. Their side? Bore king's side, queen's side. It's the same division. Divide it up left and right as well. Every piece, with the exception of the rook, does better in the middle of the board. So they say for the opening moves or for the opening in the middle part of the game, you really want to focus on developing your pieces, getting them all those squares that they start on,

and controlling those center-for squares, which is you're looking at the battleship grid of a chess board, E-4, D-4, E-5, are the four-middle squares. The rook can go to 14 squares, no matter where. where it's at, the bishop, I think, can go to 14 in the middle, but only seven in the corner. The knight can go to two squares in the corner, but it can go to eight squares in the middle. And the queen is also more powerful in the middle as well.

So with the development of pieces and the controlling of the center, it leads to the middle game and the beginning of the end game, which is where players formulate a plan to actually trap the king or to checkmate the king himself. In movies and TV, they say the word check aloud, but anybody who do not say check, especially in tournaments. Right. That is annoying. All right. Tournaments are quiet time, or they're supposed to be.

So, yeah, don't say check. All right, that's only for Hollywood because, yeah. Thematics. Yeah, thematics. And it's just cooler. It gives an audio cue to the audience, and that's about the only thing it's really worth. Also, you'll see in Hollywood a lot, and our boss, as a nurse, that's a lot of people who set the board up wrong. So if you're not using an annotated board, like Dulton is talking about,

if that's case you don't have the annotations on 8 through H, 1 through 8, white on the right, we say. So the square closest to your right hand is always going to be white. Yeah, yeah, that makes, yes, yes, exactly. Or square H1, to put in chess notation, will always be white. In fact, a friend of the podcast, Daveon Williams, he does a chess podcast called Chess Knowledge with H1. Guess where he got the H1 from? The starting square, the square, that square on the right. Yeah, that square right on the right, yeah.

So even if your board isn't annotated, every chess board is annotated. Those squares are still named the same. Yeah, you're still going to use the same. Right, right. Which is why it's critical that you understand that one and two is white, seven, and eight is black. Yeah. Otherwise, you're going to mess up the notation.

Which is one of the things that makes chess so beautiful is that you don't actually need the pieces or the boards to play. You can play audibly across, you know, a telephone line or, you know, with email or online or anything like that. They used to do correspondence chess. I think some people still do that. where you mail your moves to one another. Yeah, I'm still waiting on Coach Bob's move in the mail, right? Yeah, and if you've ever seen people put blindfolds around their eyes and play chess, you've got to know. Magnus famously done that.

Yeah, I think I've seen Gotham Chess do that, right? He played against Anna Kramling, who's no pushover. She's like either a national master or international master, and he played blindfolded and got through checkmate, right? so I mean the there is over a duo decillion that's 10 to the 40th possible sensible chess games that's chess games where white makes a move black makes a move and there's no illegal positions and there's no repetition of the positions now possible number of chess games where you're allowing repetitions and you know crazy things like that, not smart moves. There's even a larger number of chess games, 10 to the

120th power of chess games. But even 10 to the 40, a duodicil number of chess games, is I think part of the reason why people keep coming back to it is because it's not going to be... The replay building. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be a set determined result when you sit down at the board. Now you're talking about that. Are you remember with the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings? The Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. The ECO, yeah. It is five volumes, all of them about this thick. He's holding up three inches, yeah.

Each book is full of chess openings, and we are talking about 1,300 possible openings that are in these books. I mean, yeah, as you know, white, because the knights can jump over pieces, it's the only piece that can jump over pieces. And each pawn can either move one square forward or two squares forward at the start of the game. White has 20 possible first moves.

Black has 20 possible replies to that first move. So in the first two moves, there are 400 different variations of the chess game. And so it's not like Tick-Tac-Tow. It's not like Checkers, which are considered learned games. And Checkers is played on a similar board. Yeah, various. Yes, yes, yes. Checkered board?

Is that what they call it? Yeah. They call it a checkered pattern. It should be a chess pattern, but unfortunately, that's what it is. So, yeah, if you play a computer in Checkers, the first move you make, the computer knows every move it needs to make in order to win no matter what your first move is, because Checkers only has, what, four, one, two, three. It's a very basic game.

Yeah, like 10 beginning opening moves, something like that. And there are set rules. Like if you can take a piece in checkers, you must take a piece in checkers. That's a role in chess too. Right. Touch take, move. So there are two more rules that you need to be aware of if you are going to think about playing chess. One is called touch move and the other is touch take.

So touch move is if I, if I were to touch a piece and there is a legal way for me to move that piece, then I have to move it. Touch take is if I touch an opponent's piece and there's. there's a legal way for me to capture that piece than I must capture. That's probably one of the more important rules of chess. There are no takebacks in chess. I think why chess represents a thinking game. Why chess represents a competition is because of that touch-move rule. You know, it's a set-in-stone thing.

No other thing in life do your mistakes become more apparent more quickly than on a chess board? because it will be found and exploited by a good opponent immediately as soon as you make a mistake. Well, you can exploit the differences in any sports, any game. True, true. But say like if you have your star-wide receiver, I know we're talking about football again, sorry. Oh, that's fine. I played wide receiver, so, you know. So say your star-wide receiver is out.

So then you know your passing game is going to be weaker. The run game is going to be more heavily relied upon. but it may take a few moves or it may take a few plays or a few drives for that to come to fruition. Whereas if you blunder a queen and your opponent sees it, they will take it immediately on the next move, right? Or it's like if your shoulder's getting worse as a star pitcher, you might see a slow decline over the side of there. But if you leave your king exposed and checkmate happens, you're going to know right away on the next move. right um and so yeah i i suppose quicker mistakes happen in sports like injuries or accidents but uh you know not at the fault of the player or the coach or any kind of strategy whereas chess there's

no one to blame but yourself there is no happenstance or circumstance um you know the piece was three inches to the right instead of an inch to the right and that's what caused the ACL tear no you moved the queen to A-8 and you weren't sure that it was safe and you lost the queen. Oh, and a good rule of thumbs that you're bringing up queens. In your opening, don't take your queen outs. Save that for later

in the game because A it's well, my primarily beef with it is it shows that you don't respect your opponent. All right?

It's kind of a dick move. Taking a queen out early. It's like winding up a huge sucker punch. It's also putting a huge target on that queen like your retirement. And also, if you lose a queen early, don't complain about it. All right, you can always get a pawn promoted. Or if you lose your queen early, or if you take it, don't brag about it, if you take a queen, because you can still lose even being up a queen.

I tell my students that the queen is like a $100 bill. right it's green it's square and it goes in a wallet or a cash register just like a dollar bill does of course we can do a lot more with the hundred dollar bill it's much more powerful but because it's still the same size shape and goes to the same places that the dollar bill does we have to be just as careful with that hundred dollar bill because we can lose it just as easily as we lose a dollar bill right but we don't lose hundred dollar bills because we're much more careful with hundred dollar bills and then I ask him who's ever lost a dollar bill and they all raise their hand yeah they all should raise their hand yeah yeah so yeah so of course

we're just uh guys that teach this and get paid for it's but we are nowhere near the level of say the grandmasters no no no i i would say in like a comparison to football uh whereas the majority of the population the u.s population doesn't play football or doesn't play football currently. We're kind of maybe like the backups on a low collegiate team, but there are guys who are playing in the NFL who would absolutely just demolish us, or even NFL backups or NFL third strings, right?

Yeah, yeah, right. Or the college starters, you know, they're still. But like I said, most people don't know how to play football. If I'm going to use the football now, gee, think the guys are getting to Canton. Canton. The Hall of Fame. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, Canton Hall of Fame. So that would be like the super great football.

grandmasters right yeah yeah whereas me like i can catch the football right like yeah i would never go out to try and go like uh on a on a pickup team or what do they call it when they have like you know open tryouts right yeah i would never do that for like an NFL like a college team but hopefully at this point to be trying that for football so you know you're the youngest that you'll ever be today just like you're the oldest you've ever been today Good point. If you had the chance to meet any Grandmasters? No, no.

I have. Well, you got a chance to meet Gary, right? Gary Kasparov, yeah. Well, I didn't actually meet him. I was in the same room as him. I got a photo of him on my phone where he was signing an autograph for one of my former students. Nice, nice. But that was that, now that is cool.

Gary Kasparov, arguably one of, if not the best chess player ever, ever, okay? Just that the pieces are the same for Gary. He still has the same 16 pieces that you and I have, but what he can do with the pieces and how confidently and how quickly he can move the pieces is what makes his presence just absolutely amazing. I mean, what is it about this person and what he sees that makes him so farther above just the average person, you know? It's the same pieces, but in his hands, their masterpieces, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, yeah.

And for context, Kasparov was speaking at the Truman Presidential Library, Overhand Independence. And they asked us, and our boss asked me specifically, to show up with some sad. and get some games going with the local kids. And a lot of our regulars showed up to just play most of themselves, and Kasparov just mowed through and watched and everything. But before that, even, they gave them a tour of the museum. I think that anytime you can fill a room with a bunch of people critically thinking, the world becomes a better place.

you know it's when we start acting rationally when we start moving our pieces without thinking or touching the wrong piece that things start to go wrong real fast if only we could think before we move like chess players and i also got chance to go to the uh 2018 sinkfield's cup sinkfield that's in st louis that's the big uh classical tournament they all area in st louis this is this is the same events that had last year's 22's events that uh neeman was called cheating. Oh, oh, yeah. They caught him, caught him? Or they suspect he was cheating. Is this the one that Magnus took him out? Yeah. Right, right, right. Magnus played in 2018, so I got to be in the same room as Magnus Carlson, and he'll, and is that that's an event

that I got the photo of Vishiannon with Conrado, friend of the podcast, Conradto. And Conrado comes to the club, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I need to point him out again if he comes, because I don't want to miss that opportunity. No, I didn't taxi him to day, so he's probably not coming to nights. Yeah. And I think that, you know, once you reach Gary's level, Gary only plays with other people who have been playing their whole life. Yeah, at the Grandmaster level.

So everyone that was playing at the St. Feld Cup, those are types of players that Kasparov would be playing. It is said, and I believe it is true, that you cannot win a chess game unless your opponent makes a mistake, right? perfect game of chess played on both sides should always end in a draw. It's just being able to exploit and see when your opponent makes a mistake. That's what really separates some of the best players and some of the worst players. And Gary, as soon as you make one iota of a mistake, if you don't have...

He will exploit it. Yeah. I just wish I could think of a more apt comparison, you know, to somebody who's not in chess what it would be like. Well, you can use football as an analogy, too. the offense are trying to advance the football and part of that is finding weaknesses in the

defense now they're kind of garbage at the moment but I'll use the New England Patriots as an example during their Super Bowl years they were known for playing good stout defense

and it was very hard to crack you know so or if I'm going say on the defensive side of things. I think the steel curtain for Pittsburgh, the doomsday defense for Dallas.

Mm-hmm. All right. I think that caliber of a defense. Tampa, Tampa, too. You could think of that as well. And like us or the average person versus Gary Kasparov would be like the South Park episode, where the owner of the Redskins tries to take on the entire Dallas Cowboy football team. And he just, yeah.

He just kept getting his butt kicked. Right, exactly. Or a nod. That's another person I've been in the same room as actually. Who? Daniel Snyder, who is now the former owner of the now Washington commanders. That's an old security story from way back as close to your age, I think. Or if you've seen Jackass, when Johnny Knoxville goes up against Butterbean,

and after Butterbean knocks him out and he comes to, he says, Butterbean okay, you know, yeah, I think that would kind of how. match with Gary Kasparov might go. That has a good transition into, because we both like South Park. We were going to do a South Park trivia thing, but the resources are not there. Still can't happen in the future.

Yeah. Still possibility in the future. Do you have a favorite episode of South Park? Oh, gosh. I was trying to think. Now, I want to not say Scott Tenerman must die because I know how it's not your favorite. But I still like it just because it shows.

Those who are not South Park fans, this is an episode where Cardman has a teenage bully named Scott Terman who keeps selling him certain hairs that I'm going to have you watch the episode to figure it out. That are invaluable. He spends the rest of the episode trying to plot revenge against this kid. and why don't try to have him in a chili cook-off? Mm-hmm. Well, I think that Cartman and all the kids have their own things that make them unique.

But if you're thinking of South Park, you're thinking of Cartman probably first. Cartman is the main character. Stan is the one who always gives the message. Kyle is the antithesis to Cartman's thesis. But Cartman is the heart and soul of South Park. Oh, my God, they kill Kenny. Kenny's nice. He's like the mascot.

I would say Kenny's the mascot. But Cartman, that episode shows us why he can control the narrative, why he's the most powerful character, why, you know, even the Caesar Milan, the episode, when Caesar Milan tries to separate Cartman's better nature from his worst nature, even Cartman is a great adversary for himself. That's the famous dog trainer, Caesar Milan. Yes, Caesar Milan, yes. Yeah, I tried to treat Garman like a dog.

Successfully. Successfully, yeah, that's a thing, is a little too successful. I think the best South Park ever made was the Scientology episode. Not a very Mormon episode? The Mormon episode was all right, but the Scientology episode was... I'll always remember the disclaimer at the bottom of the... TV. This is what Scientologists actually believe. That, I think I realized at that age, that South Park really can make fun of the real world.

And they are trying to turn a mirror on society and really nail it to them. And I'm like, oh, wow, is this real. It is real. Of course, a great episode is another great episode is the very first one where Cartman got nail probe. Yeah, yeah. Is this a rerun? I hate rerun. Which they, yeah, revisited. They actually revisit that one. With much better graphies and much better storytelling.

In the first one, Cartman gets a nail probe. Do they actually meet the aliens? I can't remember. Yeah. Yeah, but not in the form that is, not in the... Not in the taco form. Not the taco that proves ice cream. The gray alien form.

Yes, yes. And they speak primarily in the, moo, move. So I think I'm thinking of the rerun, the later revisitation of that, where they reveal that Earth is just to tell us. television series run by the the jew crop what is the they're basically an analog for jews yeah unfortunately but that you know um anyway that that that was interesting um to think about that and then to hear like ancient aliens on the history channel also think about like oh maybe aliens the stuffing the the one with the yeah the uh that uh the pilgrims were aliens and who

was it that was kind of timid about Natalie Portman? Natalie Portman, yes. Okay, yeah. Casa Bonita is another good episode. Oh, yeah. That was a destination on our trip to Denver, Colorado. Even though Casabinita was 45 minutes away, we were like, all right, we got to try at least. Cassie Bonita, you guys.

Of course, in the last couple of years, Madden Trail, but Casa Bonita and... Oh, yeah, that's right. helped fix it up and they fixed it up and reopened it a little bit with much bare food from my understanding i'd never i'd never been to colorado so i wouldn't know what the food's like but but i did see that they have a giant statue of carmen yeah and tray and matt now they they modeled south park off of like boulder colorado no no no no no not boulder even though they both went to university of color i know the city of what it's called breckinridge

Breckenridge, Colorado. Fair play. Oh, fair play. Oh, okay. Fair play Colorado. Yeah. It was a small hakedown in Colorado, right? So I'm sure that Trey and Matt did go to Casabinita,

and it probably was a childhood memory for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Cassabinita again. Yeah. Do you think that if it was written the same way, it could get away with saying the same things in a live action sitcom or film? Yeah, exactly. I think that because it's a.

a cartoon because it's animated crudely animated of course because I mean construction paper cuts and everything I think because it's animated they're able to get with a lot more in the similar fame of the Simpsons because it's

animated they're able to get with a lot more how about the iconic disclaimer before each episode the celebrities aren't impersonated poorly and this should not be seen by anyone due to the content

yeah what is it should not be viewed by anyone and so as a kid you know the whole forbidden fruit thing you know oh and my parents told me you cannot watch South Park you need to be going to bed and so of course I'm staying up to watch South Park and the disclaimer

I was a freshman in college when that show started yeah so yeah a little you didn't get the you know forbidden fruit part of it but you got all of the Simpsons right oh your parents said don't watch the Simpsons no they let me watch the Simpsons sense. Oh, yeah, yeah. But no, yeah, but you got the full, you were certainly picking up on political humor that I was not as a kid, for sure, which is, I think they were more geared towards

college students for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Tucket der. Susie Harris, smart, smart, smart, smart. Martin Harris, dumb. Joseph Smith was called a prophet. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. It's, A beautiful thing that we can just share snippets of phrases and quotes, and it brings back the entire memory of the episode. Yeah, it's beautiful stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about the musical numbers.

Rats fighting, Rob. Rats fighting Rob. They have fun with anime? What is it? I can't remember. What I was really trying to do is figure the... Fun, good times with weapons. Yeah.

They're all playing ninja, and it's ninja, not ninjas. That drives me crazy. N-I-N-J-U. N-I-N-J-A. J-A versus... Wait, what's the difference? Well, in Japanese, there are no plurals. Oh.

So no ninjas. It's not ninjas, it's ninja. Ah. So, just remember that there's no ninjas. What about Ninjago? Ninja Go? Ninja Go. No opinion on that.

Okay. That's just a cartoon, right? Yeah, and I think that's Lego thing. And, of course, over time, South Park's songs, I also need to bring up, uh, I'm going to jack it where the sun always shines. Down in San Diego. I'm going to go off jacking it in San Diego. Jack, Jack, Jacking it, spank, spank, span, spank, spank. Now, that was a real-life person who had an actual meltdown and did masturbate and public, right?

Yeah, he was naked and checking them. I still like them evenly. The South Parks that make fun of actual real-life things that happen, and the South Parks that are real absurd, like Trapper Keeper, right? You know what I need it? The... Trapher keeper. Yeah, I guess there was some references to, you know, social thing. Like, that's the Terminator, right? You know, but still. A little Terminator, a little Akira. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And, well, they're like, the brown noise. Is that really a reference to anything, right?

That's just a silly episode. I think that actually is a thing, but it is a lot, you can't, humans can't hear it. Oh, oh, like it is a real thing. That's a real thing, yeah. Hmm, that's weird, huh? But it's not something that humans can play, so you're not going to... And I know there must be some references that I'm not getting, Like, just to very popular movies that I have yet to see.

But South Park does such a good job. Like, the giant snake one where they light the world's largest black snake. Right. Is that a reference to a movie where, like, something goes out of control? I think it's just a commentary on fireworks ordinances or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I equally like them. When they're very topical, like Japanese benderoo,

and they tackle the reason why Americans don't use toilet paper, which is very true, very, like, why are we doing that? And then also the silly ones, like the Black Snake episode where it's just about, you know. Right. Oh, right. Everyone's all the lines are going to whoop all your asses. Yeah. Much respect to the late Isaac Hayes.

Now, he was chef, right? Mm-hmm. Now, he had a falling out. Because of the Scientology episode, because he was a Scientologist. And about that time is when he had a stroke, which ultimately, that's what wound up killing him was

had a couple strokes they'll do it now what about the Super Adventure Club episode yeah they used off his

pre-recorded dialogue to make it sound all weird I'm gonna make love to your asshole, too you did it Isaac was that were they not

trying to attack him well he had already quit at that point so like whatever you've already signed off on us yeah we already own the rest of this stuff so yeah we'll just rearrange it however we want and you know chef what oh no you don't want you don't want the adventure club you want the super adventure club that's and you think that you know maybe it's something that can't be made fun of or shouldn't be made fun of but that's what's something like south park is for

You need the comedic release Because if you make it unjokable If you keep locking it up Then it is very serious They may have pointed that to two And ironically they're making fun of Family Guy In South Park they're making fun a family guy Yeah

The Manatee jokes Yeah Carmen Carmen thought that Family Guy was not funny And goes to Fox And learns that Family Guy was written by manatees oh yes yes yes yes I do seem to remember the crude animation of family guy and they do like a weird yeah making fun of their cut of the co-ways there's a family guys known for some yes yes which interestingly enough

they started calling manatee jokes hmm a family guy did or family guy our huh Seth McFarlane knows how to make fun of himself yeah yeah yeah You have to be able to make fun of yourself, and you have to be able to let people make fun of you. Otherwise, it's just going to be way too hard. Life's going to be way too hard for you. Right. That's the beauty of comedy, and I think that's a good place to end our conversation. Sure.

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