This Podcast Is... Uncalled For - Discussion on Taylor Swift (Introducing Heather Marie)

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

We welcome Heather Marie as a new co-host.  And we start her tenure on the podcast by discussing all things Taylor Swift.  (Yes, we've become Swifties here at the podcast.)

Hi, I'm Mike Chernivsky, and your listen to this podcast is Un Called For. All right. Welcome to the podcast. I'm pleased to and as we have a new co-hosts who is joining us. I'll let her introduce yourself. Hello. This is Heather, Heather Marie. And thank you very much for having me. Yeah. So a little on your background. A little bit about myself. Okay. Okay. Well, I am, I'm Heather. I'm 40 years old. I'm a mother of three really phenomenal daughters. I'm a real estate agent, I substitute teach,

I'm into Girl Scouts and PTA, and I am very, very filled with gratitude to be able to share this space with you and looking forward to all the conversations we get to have here. And today we're going to be engaged in a discussion on a certain celebrity who has been pretty much spending a lot of time

in our neck of the woods lately, so it's a Get those chicken fingers out with some ketchup and some seemingly ranch. Some seemingly ranch. And let's talk about it. Right on. Well, I think frequenting our town is putting it lightly. She's a resident now. Very much.

It's been fun. So, yeah, Taylor Swift and, of course, the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey Romance. I'm hoping. I'm hoping we get to call her a lifer here in Kansas City. Well, she does have properties in other parts of the country. And world, right? Well, at least the country. I don't know.

I'm not sure about the world, but certainly in New York, she seems to be spent a lot of time in. I think she has a place in Nashville, L.A., Rhode Island. Yeah. Okay. No, if we can have her even just part-time here in Kansas City, y'all. Thanks to Mr. Kelsey, who, of course, I mentioned already on the podcast, and I mentioned to you, his other house, the one that he had to move out of.

One of his neighbors is one of my co-workers, and he has told me about the chaos that has happened And since Travis and Taylor have gone public. Yeah, that would be, that would be wild. I mean, Kelsey was on the map, but it not really, you know, the caliber's changed for him, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, no question. So for those who are living under a rock, tell us about Ms. Taylor, please. Well, I mean, as far as just the kind of the recent excitement, you know, Taylor, of course, recently.

four, she's got her, well, let's talk about what Oscars. We're talking about the People's Choice Award. She just won four People's Choice Awards. And Travis Kelsey won his People's Choice Award as the athlete of the year. What couple of Grammys recently? Yes. I mean, that is how she, what she's known for is being a singer. It is, that's correct.

She won her 13th and her 14th Grammy recently. And let's see, in addition to that, I've learned recently. So myself, you know, I think we've talked about this before, my introduction to Taylor Swift was kind of reverse for a lot of people. I found Taylor Swift's music kind of learning more about her. But as a woman raising women, I have so much respect and admiration for her and the things that she's done and she's accomplished. But in her 20 years of music, yeah, she went from free shows on a small stage in Nashville

to, well, I mean, woman of the world, right? There's not a lot she can't master, it seems like. Yeah, I think at this point in February, 2024, it's kind of hard to find people who have not heard of her. But, yeah, she is a musician. She's been for 20 years. She started in country music. Yes, she did.

Which, of course, I am not particularly a fan of. But I have been listening to her music certainly since the whole. relationship with Mr. Kelsey has started, and I want to thank the Swifties on Reddit for recommending the ad. This is Taylor Swift's playlist on Spotify.

Okay. I'm going to have to look that one up myself. Yeah. Well, my favorite Taylor Swift song that I have found so far and there's quite a few that I really like. But I had a really personal relationship, a really strong relationship with my grandmother and her song, Marjorie,

which is part of that song her grandmother is actually singing and so she kind of talks about how when she sings out on stage and her grandmother's up there with her and that connection and then I listen to the songs and one of the lines is, you know, things that die never stay dead and just how powerful that is

when you talk about connection and you talk about legacy and you talk about, you know, just heritage and things of that nature and what we all get to carry on and what we take with us from the people that have touched us an impact with us like that.

I can cry every time, man. It's the good tears. That's a good tears. But, yeah, in addition to her music and her stardom, I think my favorite thing about Ms. Taylor Swift is the way that she's managed to reach superstardom and still somehow managed to just be a regular person. You know, you see her in these faces. She's incredibly kind.

She's incredibly generous. She seems to show up consistently as herself. all spaces. She applauds for every other artist that performs at every award show or space that she's in. She celebrates other people's wins as much as she celebrates her own. She's not afraid to celebrate her own wins, which as a woman, like that's a powerful statement. She's just, she's a really fascinating and really exceptional woman. I'm thankful to be raising women in a time when women like her are showing us what it can look like. Yeah. So, so the songs I've heard, I'm not much of a country fan, but my favorite song of hers is probably endgame.

Yes, well, and that's... And parts because I am a fan of rap and R&B. Okay. All right. But also, she serenaded Mr. Kelsey with that song in Argentina. Yes, she did. And it's, you know, you always wonder, because what a lot of people really like about her music is that it is all stories. It's her stories.

It's shared stories. She's a beautiful storyteller and a beautiful songwriter. But, yeah, when she serenated to him and how perfectly placed that ended up being for this romance, this just beautiful love story that we're all getting to watch. But in reverse of that, he serenated to her. You belong with me. At the Super Bowl. Yes.

And every woman in the world. Like, that's, well, I say, I don't want to speak for every woman in the world, but I will say that I, I myself, you know, I will speak for myself. But it was just, it was one of those moments when you just, you're like, wow, that's special. And she even said, she said, that's the most romantic thing that anyone's ever done. So it's, yeah. I believe that was caught on tape somewhere. Right.

Wanda, it's way on the interwebs. And then we saw them dancing to another one of our songs. It's a love story, baby, just say. Yes. Yes. And over in the corner is Travis's brother, Jason, wearing a luchador mask. Living his absolute best life, though. Living his best life. And I, you know, in saying that about Taylor Swift, I will also go on.

And I know you are also a fan of Kelsey's podcast. And New Heights. Yes. And they've referenced your podcast. And so I've listened to them more since. sharing that time with you also and you're kind of referencing to them and recommending that podcast

and learning just really seeing people in their natural habitat so to speak I will say that the Kelsey's are also just genuinely good people you know like they're a couple of guys that grew up in a home with parents that believed in them and did what it took

and they're really really good at football but who they are and how they contribute to their teams into their spaces, and Jason Kelsey and his home, and of course, Kylie Kelsey is another incredible woman, incredible role model, and just human to watch, navigate the world. They also seem to have managed, you know, this kind of superstardom while still being just regular, comfortable in their skin people. And that's, that I think is what is so, so special about them. And what she's reference then of course is the whole thing about the new heights sandwich at grill 32 which is

kind of related to the podcast because uh conrado a friend of the podcast lives just down the street from there uh last time i picked up conrado he said that he uh had uh tried the place that right that's awesome though so that is pretty awesome but a little more about to miss swift uh before she went to country music she was raised on a christmas tree one. Yep. And that is why her favorite candle scent is Christmas tree or evergreen. And I believe it was in eastern Pennsylvania near Philadelphia, which explains why her dad is allegedly. We don't know this anymore, but allegedly a Big Eagle fan. Right. Right. It's funny because prior to this experience,

You know, and I've been learning a lot about your history with football, by the way, for those of you listening, Football for Swifties is a previous episode of this podcast, and it is phenomenal. It's 22 minutes, and it has brought me up to speed in ways that in 40 years I did not understand the game, so I appreciate that. But I came into Kansas City. I've moved around a lot growing up, so I didn't really have, like, a home-based team. What the Kansas City Chiefs have kind of developed.

over the last, I don't know, Patrick Mahomes years. They've been here since 1963, but yeah, in terms of their recent winning. And it's, well, for me, it's not even just about the winning. You know, Mahomes is another individual, and I'll speak of Patrick Mahomes specifically, who seems like a genuinely good human. You know, he cares about his team. He is 100% consistent in recognizing every component in every success. He takes responsibility for every shortcoming.

He's a really stellar leader. He happens to also be a phenomenally talented athlete, not just football, it seems like. It seems like any sport he's really put himself into, he's capable of excelling at. But also just a really, really good human. And what the Chiefs, what I like about the Chiefs is what Kansas City as a city brings to it as well. You know, I mean, unfortunately, the way that our, last Super Bowl win parade went, was not, you know, that was a very unrepresentative way of how it had always been prior to that. And I have an entire episode on that subject to the

discussion on gun violence and gun control. Yeah. But prior to that, the connection that Kansas City has because of this like the shared space and this team and you know just kind of good sportsmanship you watch a lot of and not just with football and you watch sports a lot and you recognize that sportsmanship isn't always isn't always a pillar of strength and it's just neat to see it's just need to see what the chiefs bring to Kansas City and what Kansas City brings with the chiefs and it's neat to be a part of yeah and of course you're speaking as someone who is Yeah, I know. Said, they're not my team.

I know. They're not my team. And I've got my reasons. Yeah. Well, and I like being open to that as well. You know, my interest again is honestly very little to do with football itself. So. And since I'm on the subject of football,

I like to address the dad's, Brits, and Chans, if I may quote Taylor Allison Swift. Yeah. Who has done, who has on? Seriously, done more to run football, Taylor, or Stan Crocky? One is just going to football games to support her, not one. The other, Lydide ad team had the Showmey State. All right.

No, if I saw your post on that earlier. I thought it was a pretty good comparison. I mean, if we want to open up the whole conversation, you know, there's a lot to be said about who is ruining the sport of football as a whole in the comparison on the post was was very relevant to that too yeah do you want to share I've already shared plenty on the subject on the podcast well I would have to agree with you I don't think and I think her attitude I'm sorry if it's pissing some people off is just another testament to being a regular person

because I think that any of us would be like come on man I'm just trying to enjoy the game yeah football is awesome

for those of us and I will be learning from you along the way I appreciate you very much yeah so so yeah outside of

music and football what are some other things that Taylor is known for I would say two things that come to mind immediately are cats yes and uh culinary stuff so well and i so i would agree to the cats and culinary um her one of the things that i really liked about are looking her up is that she

bakes cookies for her fans she and amongst other things um but what a real like an innate human connection there she bakes to invite fans over and bake them cookies Neat, so I've heard that with Travis specifically, she likes to make seminary rolls. I guess that's his, one of his favorite things to do, yeah. Yeah, similar rules, yes, mayonnaise and other white condiments. Not so much. Not so much.

That's one of the things we learned from my contribution. I love it, though. I love, and I love the fact that you know these things. That's amazing. So her and cats, she was in the movie cats, and I guess they actually took a class where they got to crawl around and practice behaving as cats. And whereas a lot of them found that to be rather annoying or a nuisance, she was like in love with it. She absolutely had a blast. And I also love the fact that there's classes that teach you how to act like a cat.

Yeah. That exists. especially for if you're playing in a movie called cats that is about cats cats is the first Broadway musical I ever saw

when I was living in I grew up in Colorado and yeah good deal I'm not married to musicals guy myself that's a discussion for another time but I do like the Book of Mormon musical okay and we'll talk about that after we're done with the recording so okay but yeah she has three cats I believe I believe that you are

correct yeah and what are their names Meredith Olivia and Benjamin I love it I love it she and I don't know which of the cats but whenever she was shooting video and they brought the kitten on to the set and she just fell in love with this kitten she's like whoever has this cat is such a lucky person and the cat was available for adoption and they're there. I think that it's her most recently. I think that's Benjamin. Benjamin, I think so. I think you had cracked. But yeah. So she's like, whoever has this cat is the luckiest person ever. And then that cat ended up being

like one of the luckiest cats to ever land a cat life. Right. And we talked about her baking cookies and everything. Last time we talked, we also talked about her, uh, other connoir preferences like coffee yep yep so when we we attempted this the first time around we were to Starbucks and we it was quite quite the exciting day in the Starbucks but I did I tried Taylor's favorite coffee which is just the non-fat caramel latte and it was delicious it was so thank you very much for the recommendation Taylor I appreciate that I also have heard she is Coke over Pepsi Yeah

Which is Funny because Again Reference in New Heights They did their Halloween episode And they got to All the Reese's

Candies And What was Reese's Remind you of Ed Kelsey Yeah Rees and what else Diet Pepsi

I will say So Pepsi That's one area That's one area That's one area that Ms. Taylor and I, we don't see eye to eye. I, uh, I am a Pepsi over Coke myself. And I wonder if part of that's just kind of what you, like what you started on.

You know what I mean? Um, yeah, drink Pepsi growing up. It actually took me moving to the Midwest. It took me a long time to accept the word pop. It was like, it's a soda. Yes. And then you go to the south and everything's Coke, which to me is also strange. Yeah.

Yeah, I want a sick beverage. Right. Well, how do you specify? Like, no, really, I want an actual Coke. Or, like, a Coke, but it's like a Dr. Pepper, whatever it might be. Yeah. Dr. Pepper, of course, equal to saying not sick beverage. Right.

So, yeah, yeah. Of course, yeah, we're talking about Taylor's songwriting. One of the topics she likes to write about are ex-boyfriends. She is notorious, shall I say, for writing songs about men who have done her wrong. Sure, sure. Well, and she's, you know, it goes both ways. I would say she seems to take accountability for herself also in the relationships. And I would say in the relationships.

I don't know talking about the relationship themselves. But the way that the music plays out, you know, she refers to herself as the anti-hero. She refers to herself, you know. She knows that she can get a little crazy in relationships. also and it's fun to watch those videos play out. I also like Bad Blood is probably one of my favorite Taylor Swift and that was at that time because again you know you think of 20 years just think of your own life what happened what has gone and happened in 20 years you know and when did those songs and not just her music but that's the power of music right like we correlate music to

events and times in our lives and then forever that music is like a time. machine and it'll take us right back there. Well bad blood was like one of those for me and I had never heard or seen Taylor Swift in that light like she was very much more certainly with the you know the top hits and the songs I'd been exposed to the you know sweet baby just say yes kind of version of Taylor Swift and so when the when bad blood came out I was I took notice I I really liked that one. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that was for one of our first endeavors into pop music.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it was also kind of a, I'll use the words, a clapback. You know, that was her kind of addressing some things that had happened in a public way. And I'm a very transparent person myself, you know, like, let's have an open conversation. So I like that about her too. Yep. And I think most of her exes, since we're on this,

such have been, like, actors and musicians. So they can be a, I will say, interesting group of people to be around. Okay, we've had a lot of actors and musicians on the podcast. Yeah. Well, and I think it's just very, very different, you know, and it could be that athletes may have the same. I'm just going to say, I think what I'm trying to say is that the human ego is a funny thing. And if you are in, if you're looking in the same spotlight as somebody like Taylor Swift, it would be hard not to, it'd be hard not to feel outshined, you know?

And I think that one thing that's neat about her current relationships separate from what it seems to be like past relationships is that, you know, they both shine. in their own light, completely separate lights. There's not a competitive nature, even like the same industry or any of those pieces. Exactly. Yeah, and they also, they're not afraid of each other's light. They're not afraid of each other's power and how they show up.

They encourage it. And I will just say as a human in the world, that's the kind of people you want to surround yourself with, let alone a partner, but just in general, that's the kind of people you want to surround yourself with. Yeah. And that's a thing certainly with musicians and her case that they're all basically competing with one another. In a very literal sense. The award shows. I mean, it's, you know. Yes. You know, it's a very, and I will, you know, for the most part, there are, you do see a lot of artists that are very gracious about it. You know, they show up and Taylor Swift is one of them. You know, Taylor Swift, there was awards that she was up for that she did not. not win at the recent Grammys and she was still one of the people in the audience

standing up applauding singing along and participating and showing that support but there are other artists that are gracious about it too it's funny because you know they pan and it would be hard to be under or behind in front of a camera at all times but you know they pan the audience and people's face will tell you a lot you know you can tell a lot about somebody feels my their reaction to seeing somebody else win. So this isn't a relationship. I'll say it's more of a feud for her than.

Yeah. Someone who still didn't get the fish sticks joke. You know, Tad, I'm going, I'm very happy for you. I'm going to let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best records of all time. So did you hear, and I mean, it's, I've not seen it either be confirmed or denied. But did you hear what the... I heard about that at the Super Bowl. Yeah, that can't be confirmed or the night.

Video, thanks. So, but, yeah, I think that few, the particular may have helped us motivate her. I'm better to this clown. Yeah. Yeah. You still don't get the fish sticks jokes. I think part of it for me, and we all think, we all aspire to what we aspire to.

But that was one of the moments that I gained a lot of respect for her, because how she handled that in front of everybody as a very young woman. Yeah, she was still a teenage. Yes, I was truly impressive. And I will also say I gained some respect. I never lacked respect for Beyonce, but I honestly feel like, you know, Beyonce came out. She didn't agree with that either. She didn't agree with how that was handled and that that was done and that's not how the awards works. And so I also gained respect for her

out of the results of that. And, you know, man, if there's something you could do that you just was a shot heard around the world, you, sir, will always be remembered for that. Yeah. Way to pick on a little girl. That's not, it's not funny. I keep quoting South Park there what the fish sticks thing is. We just, we are of the generation that that's how we, that's how we correlate things. That's how we connect. So you like fish sticks. Yeah, so you like to put fish sticks in your mouth.

You're a gay fish. No, no, I like you go off on that. Oh, I didn't know we get to make South Park jokes. It's going to be fun. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. We'll see how it crash you're comfortable with.

I've already restaurants and nostalgic beverages. That's also a South Park joke. It's my, well, I will say that the, now granted, I was a teenager when the South Park movie came out, but South Park movie is the movie in the moment that I understood the clitoris joke. It was I'm a very visual person and that was a very visual

thing and I was like I get it and yeah so South Park I mean honestly is kind of an educational show yeah oh yeah we've already

we've done a lot of time to podcast at South Park and South Park shows but there's always room for more I love it. All right so anyway we're We're off topics.

Back to Taylor. So is there anything we're missing from our Taylor discussion? I feel like we've touched on most of it. The biggest things that I like to touch on with Taylor Swift is her being a regular human. And in a world raising women, she's kind. She shows up for other women. She is not afraid to speak her tongue. Not afraid to speak her mind.

her business mind is also stellar. She's close with her family. She's just really an all-around phenomenal human. And to be in the position she's in and not have lost touch with that with the things that I also agree with are actually important. That's finding up very impressive. So to you, Ms. Taylor Swift, I will be watching.

And yes, I applaud you. I applaud you. And I celebrate with you. You enjoy all of the amazing things that are coming to you. you've earned every bit of it. All right. And I will close with this, as we talked about, last time we tried to do this in a coffee shop,

so nice to be able to pre-visit this in a much quieter environment. My 11-year-old niece, Penny, is a big, swift-e turns out, and when she was up here last with my brother and the rest of the family, she said Uncle Mike if you see Taylor as if I know

Taylor personally you do not could you tell her I love her oh and I think yeah that's a great way to end this

yeah well from us and from Miss Penny we love you Taylor Swift And that's a great place to And we will talk to you all next time I look forward to it And thank you The money that she

We are, we're chatting Was it a podcast? Yes, we're doing a podcast Oh wow, did I just ruin it? No No, no, he's going to go through What's it? We're talking about Taylor Swift right now

And Travis? And Travis Kelsey also. I was talking to my group. Can I say something about Taylor Swift? It's, can I, can we trust you to say something about Taylor Swift? Please, share. She is a very kind person. She really is.

Now, why do you say that? Because she's dating Travis Kelsey. Right? Yeah, that is so kind of her. You are correct. But I agree with you. She is a very kind person. She seems to.

She seems to. It is. It is. This is Mike. Mike told him. What's the name of your podcast? It's called this podcast is uncalled for. Is it on this?

It is. It's on spot. Is it uncalled? That's what I was going to say. Occasionally. But sometimes you have to have conversations that are in called for. Yeah. Do you guys do it together?

Well, this is our first. This is our first time. Yeah. Oh, wow. Your first podcast. Or your first together. Our first together. But you've had a.

other ones out like other episodes oh yeah yeah i've been doing this podcast for five years your voice is really familiar like i'm not even okay wait how many people have watched your he's up to about 20,000 downloads right now wow yeah like how many he's up to about 20,000 downloads right now that's crazy i don't think it's pretty cool does Spotify like you for like your Spotify isn't made me a dime but do you get paid or is it just from your not for your Not for a job podcast, but it's not yet. You will one day. You got to get on this.

Start from the bottom. Now we're here. And then you made it to the top. I prayed for the best of you. Oh, you said that. Yeah, that was fantastic. Yeah. You guys have a great rest of your podcast.

Thank you. Thank you. That's a first. That is the first, yeah. You do just have kind of an inviting energy, so I don't know if maybe that. yeah that was fun this podcast

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