This Podcast Is... Uncalled For - Mike Pole with Terrence Hayes (Fringe Show)

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

We are joined in this Fringe episode by game designer Mike Pole.  Joining us about halfway through the episode is co-host Terrence Hayes (whom you may recall from #KroenkeOut Denver Edition).

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Not as big a crowd as I was hoping for it tonight's But all with the show with the show So, hi, everybody. Welcome to this podcast, is Uncalled for. My name is Mike Chernevsky. I'm joined by my lovely co-hosts. Hi, Heather Marie, and I am glad to be here. Thank you very much.

And we are waiting for one, Terrence Hayes, to show up. Yeah. We'll swap out with me. Nobody will even notice. I should have just introduced myself as Terrence, and then, like, nobody would have noticed. That's fine. Oh, let's go on. on our special guests let's go and bring out our guests all righty i would like to introduce

mr michael to the stage who so i didn't know you were going to bring your game in i got to see it i felt like i should bring the game since i was going to talk about game design so yes good bit awesome very very very excited mike welcome to the podcast well thank you mike thank you for me. You're welcome. So tell us about how you got into game design. How I got into game design, accidentally. So specifically for that, it starts for me all the way back to college. I got hooked on indie board games back, I think, in high school. So we started playing them with my friends, and we all started learning new ones beyond. So I think my first

introduction to that would be something like Settlers of Catam. Like that was the off the beaten path of Monopoly, sorry, all of those, right? So then was Catan, and that introduction to, oh, wow, there's a lot of other games out there with a lot of different mechanics, and so I became a collector. So I would buy a lot of games. I would have a yellow IKEA tote bag, and so I would just put it all in there and then carry that with me in my car. So every time I pulled up to my friend's house, I'd be like, oh, okay, I've got the entire hall of board games. There we go.

Let's see which one we want to play today. And as a result of that, pretty much in the pandemic, we were all, again, locked in our homes, playing games. And that's what we did to kill our time. So we started playing Exploding Kittins. Fantastic game. I'm going to disagree with you on it. I played Exploing Kittins once. Almost started a fistfighting.

That's how bad. Was this the fault of the game or was this just the engagement between you and the people playing? A little bit of both. So I was like, I don't know anything about exploding kittens. I happen to like kittens. Don't worry. Well, they do expect. There are no actual exploding kittens?

It's a game of the other game called Russian roulette, right? So you spin a chamber and then you hold it up to your head or to your opponent, you click. And if there's a bullet, they're dead. If there's not, you keep on playing. But it's gamified into a deck. So there's a deck, and there are bombs. There are exploding kittens. and if you draw the expletting kitten, you're out.

And so you're trying to force everybody else to draw. So we kept playing it and playing it, developed some of our own additions to the game. So we added our own little cards, got sleeves, put the sleeves in cards, and so we kept playing it. And then we added a second expansion and the third expansion. And then by that point we said,

hmm, well, maybe we can design a game, and that's kind of how we fell into game design is from that moment, of playing enough of them and having enough ideas that we transition to the other side. Yeah. So have you always played games? Just since we can't see, Terrence, if you do come in, please join us on stage.

Since I know, like, I feel like this ominous, and then all of a sudden it'll just pop up right here. No, I don't think so either. So, were you into games, like, as a child as well, or is this like... Yeah, so games have a long history in my family as well. So we used to play Ticket to Ride, we would play Apples to Apples. We did a lot of games as a family unit itself. But then also my grandfather taught me how to play chess. And that was kind of my first introduction, chess.

I also have Russian background. So there's a game called Latotot, which is kind of like bingo, but with more expanded rules. Instead of going to 60 with bingo, Latot goes to 100. And so you have different, you only try to fill three in every single number, but you go all the way up to 100. So, yeah, but there are a lot of games in the early childhood. But my sister and I also used to come up with our own games.

So we were still part of the generation that went outside and rode around scooters and, you know, got bruises and bumps and scratches. So we would ride around and we would imagine things and we would come up with games. Okay, I'm going to go around. If I can go around an X amount of time, then I get five points. And so we would just kind of, you know, play truly as kids do. Yes. Yeah, which is what I love about games in general is that.

you know, we have talked on other occasions, but that we don't play enough. And inherently, you know, you can sit down at virtually any setting and put something there, and then it changes, it changes the space. Like you end up in an engagement with the people around you, and you may never know them. Like some of the game cafes and stuff that you guys are at, like you end up just sitting down with somebody you don't know and end up bonding over playing a game. Absolutely. There's also a ton of more, I guess it depends if you're in the space to know it.

But there's events and conventions and other things, too, where if you enjoy this kind of thing, I think game cafes really is where the world has hit its stride now, because you can just come in and eat food or whatever else is offered there and pick up a game you've never played, or they constantly have, because we frequent, we're going to be a cardboard corner tomorrow, and we frequent there every single month. And they have weekly, if not daily events where there is a new person coming in and teaching, you know, a smattering of three games and anybody's welcome to come in.

So I think with those game cafes that are fairly recent pop-up, like I think in the last five to seven years we kind of started seeing them, that has really helped introduce people to a wider selection of tabletop games in general. So it's interesting to me, and I'm going to give both of you, extremely intelligent fine gentlemen, have interesting parallels in your interests. So Mike Chenevsky, he actually teaches chess and coaches chess at local schools and runs chess tournaments. And it came from just going to tabletop and playing games. It's a tabletop and all that.

And I frequent the cardboard corner too. A lot of the time. Are you one of the people at the Renaissance Fair who challenges other people in chess? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. If I see chess being played at the cardboard corner, I'll stop by. see if they're playing correctly and playing correctly there's an incorrect way to play oh yeah oh yeah what's what's one of the biggest incorrect plays that you've seen so uh one of the official rules is

white on the right meaning the square closest to your right hand needs to be white oh so they rotate the board and it's incorrect yeah interesting so that's one i've seen uh another one is a queen on her color, you're supposed to put the queen on her color. So white, queen on white, it's like queen on black. So mostly on the setup, not actually incorrect. I actually had, this is another one of those game design things, we used to play chess a lot. And we, we were hoodlums back in the day, back in high school. And we, we were, well, chess hoodlums. Yes. So we, chess playing hoodlums. Yes. Okay. We weren't, my parents were very strict about having people over, and we didn't necessarily have people over.

So when I got a car, I got my freedom, right? And so we would hang out with people, but all of us lived far away from the school, so we would try to meet locally around the school, and nobody could have people over. So what we did is we frequent in the IHOP, the International House of Pancakes. Not the other IHops.

Yeah, the Pancake House one. And we would, because they had no policies, you just had to buy something. So we would buy some pancakes, we would bring our board games in, and we would play chess and other board games. We came up with a, the king is not the king

the king is a viceroy or a decoy and so you designate one of your pieces to be the king in disguise so if that king is captured the game is over so you would write down exactly what it is yeah you would have to be like clue you'd have to put it under the board you'd put it under the game

exactly and then I'd like it wouldn't it yeah and then the modified rule was that you had to get that king to the other side of the board so that way it could be there could be more than just, oh, don't attack that one piece. So if you got your king to the other side of the board,

your secret king, you would declare you are the victor. So in that sense, yes. I'm a person who played chess incorrectly. Yeah. Yeah. So, like I said, my introduction to teaching chess came from going to tabletop before the cardboard corner came to be. And I was there for the genesis of the cardboard corner

when they were just serving waffles at table table table. top on Thursday night which credit to them it's a full-blown business they do a great job and they have a second location yeah at the little expo public market yeah absolutely so it's so i was introduced to cardboard corner the time that you saw me there okay that was my so i'm like you guys are like yeah six or seven years i'm like yeah like i didn't know that i am learning about it which i guess tends to be the trends right like something starts and the people that are like into that niche they know about it they've been seeking it and they're excited about it.

And then that creates the commotion, then the rest of us that are like, huh, what is that? They look like they're having fun. I think I want to go do that. I think the first mention... It's reaching that level of popularity. Yeah, it is.

I think my first memory of hearing about a board game-specific cafe probably was back in 2016, 17. I had a friend who was starting to go to college in Tulsa. And Tulsa broke an arrow that, you know, that part of Oklahoma. and we met back up in the summer and went rollerblading and he told me he was like hey there's a board game cafe

I was like what is that what does that look like and he said oh there's you know there's a bunch of board games they have some food it's you know it's pretty close to the college campus so sometimes on Friday nights we go I was like that sounds like a great idea and people should do that and then Carbor Corner opened about 2020 I think they opened right one 21 21 yeah so they opened like right after the pandemic and they were kind of struggling the first year This was a C and need felony opening though

and like hey that people need this and people like this. And now, about every single town that I go to for Murder Mysteries, I see some sort of board game cafe or board game bar or something like that. That was the best segue, Mike. Okay. So I... Before we... Yeah, no, please.

O'O. Roberts? Oh, boy. Yeah. I'm a U.N.K.C. guys, F.O.R. Roberts. Well, listen, I went up to Minnesota. I'm Minnesota State Mancato. So, go Mavericks. We have to play O'Roberts twice a year. I see.

Yeah. Yeah. F, I don't know. Any, I don't even know his name now. I'm not even to say that, because I don't know who he is and I'm trying to F him off. I think that's the same right. It sounds like a dentist to me. It does. It does, but he was a, he was one of those televangelists. Ah, well, now really, F. Oral Roberts. Okay. I'm on board. Anyways. Speaking of going to different places in different states. Yeah. So I do want to ask your thoughts on a couple of games.

Sure. Smash Up. Smash Up is great. I really enjoy it. Actually, tomorrow we are playing Smash Up. Our event tomorrow is Big Deck Energy. So we're playing a bunch of different deck building games and trying to introduce them to people while also having our own product and say, hey, if you like board games, you should get ours.

But, yeah, Smash Up, that was, I think, also an early introduction, and I loved it. The idea of blending two decks together, right, two different factions that have different properties. So if you play, how familiar you are with like trading card games, like Yu-Gi-O-Magic, Velvos. I've never gotten to Yu-Gi-O or Magic or anything, but Smash Up is my game. Yeah, because it...

I've been a playtester for that game since that 70s expansion. Really? Really. Wonderful, yeah. It's got so many good mechanics that you see in card... card games themselves. And I have a hot button question about gaming in general. But the blending of two decks together and then being able to just blend any two decks

together and try to outrace your opponent by capitalizing the mechanics of, oh, this one is good if they die, or this one is good when I swing from one base to the other. I think it's just brilliant. It's just really good. This one is good when you give your opponent's madness. Yes. This one is good when your opponent plays an action and you, you, your opponent plays an action and you can throw out Will Whedon.

Yep. Yep. Yep. You had another game you wanted to ask me about? You had a list. Lord's, I've not played that one. Okay, you should. Do not play it with the Scantros of Skull Port. Okay. I friggin't hate that expansion. Okay.

Suburbia. Suburbia. Suburbia is good. I really do enjoy Suburbia. I actually introduced Suburbia to the gentleman who owns Paw and Pine. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, this was a game night, actually at the opera house that he used to regularly go to, and he was there, and I got a chance to teach him to Suburbia. Okay, yeah, yeah, good picks, really good picks. I was really looking forward to your guys' conversation and camaraderie,

because this is a niche topic, and you guys both have depths to it that are just beyond people being able to sit and learn about. Sounds awesome. Coming from the game design side, game design side, one of the things that as we got more of a company and more experience under our legs, one of the things that I really wanted to drive with the company is to say, okay, guys, we cannot just create games.

We have to also do the market research. What are the other games like? What are the mechanics? And then got introduced to all the different genres of worker placement versus resource management versus deck building versus base breaking, versus simultaneous play versus cooperative play, cooperative strategy, real time. There's so many different things.

And so we had it as one of our New Year's resolutions. We bought a new board game every single month and play tested a new board game together to see, okay, what do these mechanics look like? Okay, what can we borrow from them? What does this mechanic look like? And so then getting to fill the library of mechanical knowledge by seeing these different products and having known like being a master builder in legos yeah

another game came in mind you're getting to see all the parts and you're like I can see this being reconfigured this way not just how the box said I love it so another game came up just Twilight and Imperium ooh man that's it's so long it's a good game

but it just takes forever what is forever to you six hours okay that's only right which I mean the normal game that everybody quotes with that is risk. But that's your first introduction to long gameplay that takes more than just an

hour. I think a typical game of risk takes about three to four hours. If you do it well and you're all focused, yes. But that's kind of the introduction and there are so many good, rich, heavy detailed games that take forever

to play. I don't know if they even think that's the longest game that I've ever heard of. Like the longest time that a game takes to play. I've heard diplomacy can take Yes, yes, absolutely. So, and I personally really love those types of epic games where you invest, you sit down, you build, and you stack on top of each other. You get your snacks, you're committed to the day, and you're like, this is what we're doing together.

It's just really tough to find other people who also want to commit four hours of their life to a single game, which is not to say there I have people who will commit that time, but to roleplay games. Yeah. To tabletop role play games like Dungeon and Drag. or any of the Powered by the Apocalypse spin-offs of the same thing. They'll be able to sit down for four hours and role-play killing a dragon, but they don't want to sit down and play Twilight Imperium. So it's unfortunate.

If you're out there and you want to play games, just tell me. So Dredgisibos, yay. The Emirates of Hassan. Do you say Hassan or Akhan? I say Hassan. Okay. No, stay away from the hymns. The Emirates of Hassan, I'm going to fill Heather.

And on this, they're, they're a race in a Twilightlandarium. They're basically humanoid lions that like trading stuff. Yeah. Stuff, huh? Yeah. Yeah. They're the traders. They're in charge of the Tradee.

It's a, see. Now, full disclosure, I am a founding member of the Kansas City game designers. Okay. Shout to Mike Compton, who got that group started. Yeah. They meet, like, every other Tuesday. So I'm not able to go anymore because of work. Yeah.

But, yeah, definitely a group. If you haven't been going, you definitely need to. That's what I've been told. I've bumped into them at Can'tCon, the convention. So we've bumped, we've crossed paths the first year we were there, the second year. This year we didn't cross paths. but I have heard their name and I have been meaning to go and check them out, absolutely. Absolutely, yep, most Tuesday nights.

And lately, the last time I went to a meeting of theirs, it was at the table top of the nexus. Or where it is now before they got there. But great resource, great guys to pick up some. tips and tricks from and you get to play test other people's games yeah do you ever participate in chess tournaments chess tournaments no yeah there's a little bit of a stigma since if i if i say i am russian there's an automatic assumption that i am fantastic at chess so i try not to not to dip my toes i like to play it i'll play it with a couple of friends selective friends um back in college we used to play drunk chess. So we would specifically

get hammered and then we would start playing chess. Because... Huh? Phones did. Oh, yours is? Oh, no. So we would specifically do that because they wanted an edge on me, the Russian, who was really good at chess. I was like, okay. Which only hurt

them because then their focus wasn't as good. So I don't do chess tournaments per se. I am doing other tournaments. So asked about TCGs or trading card games. I've got gotten really into Lorcana these days. It's a Disney, it's a Ravensburger property that's specifically Disney, right? And Disney has created a magic-like game where you have six different colors, you put them

all together, you can build a deck out of it, and then you battle other people against their decks. And so they've started doing tournaments. Their first set, we got released in August, so we're on set number four now. Tance, is that you in the audience come up, Ben? Yes! There we go! Okay, we're going to segue there.

let you introduce Terrence all right ladies gentlemen Terence Hayes who do you're here yeah all right you made it thank you man traffic here is crazy man it really is oh it was terrible it is terrible I was as I was driving here yeah there was a slowdown and there was absolutely nothing going on oh yeah what why did we stop for exactly exactly but I'm glad to be here is good to be here part of the Kansas City French festival yeah and This has been a very huge year for myself, especially with my comedy. Of course, everybody knows me as comedian Petty Murphy and host of the Petty Murphy Project podcast.

To be a part of this ever-changing culture here in Kansas City since 2018 with Patrick Mahomes taking over the rains, Kansas City is growing. and I moved back home in 2018 and being down in Wichita Kansas I moved back home because this is where I wanted to be and I have seen nothing but great things out of Kansas City this fringe festival is grown as well I'm seeing with this growing of course we have the Kansas City People's Choice Awards coming up this Sunday to be nominated and being a semi-finalist two years in a row one for the Petty Murphy Project and then of course for my comment this year and seeing the growth if people knowing who I am with the comedy and everything else too just not here in Kansas City but across the country it's great and of course this is a very huge week for myself I'm doing this with you yeah Michael that you and I just saw each other a couple months ago we did I was

going to bring that up yeah we saw how bad's my battle hawks yes the The Burmahawks, yay. The UFL had a very great, successful first season. Yeah. You know, shout out to, what was, Birmingham won again? Birmingham. Birmingham won again, and I hate to have to say this. My cousin, Carlos Davis, who's from Kansas City,

with the Blue Springs, with the University of Nebraska, his brother, Khalil, played also with Birmingham as well, won the U.S.fel title last year. Carlos wins the UFL title this year, so a big shout. to my cousins as well. Kalil is now with the Houston Texans. Hopefully Carlos does catch on as well. So the Battlehawks did great.

AJ McCarran basically saying, no. That's how he got hurt. That's how he got, until he got hurt. Until he got hurt, hey, he's like, hey, I don't want to beat Burrowhead. Of course, we've seen Joe Burroughs head now. Not even Joe Burrow. He calls himself Slim Shites, he is.

Like, nah, just a rip off of Cody Rhodes. That's all it is. But your Battlehawks did great. St. Louis is a great sports town. Is that where you're at now with St. Louis? No, I'm here. I'm here in Kansas City. This is my home.

This is my home, and I'm glad to see the Chiefs, though, winning three Super Bowls in the last six years. I'm seeing the world, though, basically growing with their fan base, with me behind Bobby Witt, Jr., and everything else, too. And the things that is coming to the city, with the World Cup come in, you know, with the current, the sporting KC, the Kansas City is becoming. that new hub for entertainment and with locals as well yes we have to basically learn how to

come together as well nobody's in competition with nobody too it's because how everything is growing is because people are working together to make sure it grows yeah yeah and that's and that's real good deal good deal so um so yeah yeah see in the football how about's uh mr kelsey Mr. Kelsey, Mr. Kelsey, Mr. Swift, what you want to call him? Hey, we owe Taylor Swift a lot. No, you know, bringing in the Swiftie fans and bringing in a new age of female viewership.

No, 330 million women watched the NFL last year. Not just because of it's the NFL. They just wanted to see who Taylor, which game Taylor was going to be at, and ratings went up. And, of course, she's still not invited to the barbecue. But, um, now we go back to every three people. Pete, we will have to renegotiate those terms.

But Travis Kelsey, A, he is the greatest tight in, in the field history. Future Hall of Famer, first ballot. And then, of course, you know, his brother Jason, who just retired, he's first ballot Hall of Famer as well. The way that they're able to basically bring their family together and, you know, the Kelsey family is showing love, not only in Philadelphia, but in Kansas City as well, because we do embrace Mama Kelsey as well.

As much as we have embraced, no, Patrick Mahomes and his family, Andy Reid changed the entire nucleus of the culture, of the Kansas City Chiefs, and its fan base. And he's not had a losing season since he's been here. So, no, we got the stacks against us, but they said that last year, oh, you're not going to repeat. Okay. All right, you're not going to beat Miami.

All right. Sub zero temperatures. You can't go to Buffalo and beat Bill's Mafia. Wide Right, too. Buffalo fans know what I'm talking about. And then you can't go into Baltimore and beat Lamar Jackson to Rated MVP. Beat him. Then you can't go to San Francisco in Las Vegas at the Super Bowl.

Don't people know that we own Allegiance Stadium? That's Arrowhead West, people. We own that, and I just recently went to Las Vegas in April. I'm actually going this Friday. I'll be performing live at the Sin City Seafood and Kitchen this Friday night. So I'm actually eating Friday morning to go perform Friday night, and I saw a Raiders fan saw me in my Mahomes jersey. And he's like, yeah, we beat you guys on Christmas Day with Taylor's World.

Yeah, Greater Nation. So I had to remind him, yes, you beat us on Christmas Day. But how does it feel to know, that we won a Super Bowl in your stadium with Taylor Swift. Yep. Yeah, have several seats. And Raiders fans, and Raiders fans, they basically post this meme, and that's why you look here, the last time you guys were in the Super Bowl,

John Gruden and the Buccaneers ran up the scoreboard like a Justin Timberlake bar tab. Ran up the scoreboard like a Justin Timberlake bar tab. Have several seats. You guys haven't won a Super Bowl since I've been born. That's 41 years ago, okay? And they're in Los Angeles. And you were in Los Angeles, okay? And the last team to win a Super Bowl in Los Angeles is known as the Rams,

which I know why you perfectly hate Stan Cronky. Yeah. But still, still, Raiders fans. Look, I hope you have a great season. But you're not witty this season. Okay, you're not. You can't even beat us in your own state, and we own you. My home is undefeated in your stadium.

And that includes the Super Bowl. So how does that feel on that one? But as a whole, for Kansas City, for this fringe festival to go on. And to be a part of this culture, I'm forever indebted to that. And this is my home. I ain't going nowhere. I ain't leaving. All right.

Wolf of Wall Street, I ain't leaving. But I'm seeing how the comedy seemed is the fall. is changing. You're getting new comics. You're getting new comics that are coming from all over and then what it does with our scene it expands

to different areas outside of the metro area like St. Joe. St. Joseph, Missouri. Big shout to comedian Dan Raffman who basically put a spotlight on the comedy scene building that comedy scene

in St. Joseph, Missouri. It allows me to go up there because I've done a couple shows up there. is going to allow me to finish my movie, August 10th at the Time Out of Event Center, known as I Am Petty. So this is a project that's been worked on. This project has been worked on for over a year. A lot of trials and tribulations have come along the way, but I'm glad that I'm going to finish my story and finish my movie in front of the great people in St. Joe, and hopefully people in the Kansas City area, so please get your tickets now.

go to I am Petty at Brown Paper Tickets.com, give them at $10. It's 15 at the door, but if you are a United States veteran, whether you're currently serving or you are you retired, I'm letting you guys sit for $5. For the things that you have done for this country and the sacrifices that you made, hey, is that reason why I'm able to do what I do? Awesome. The reason why you're able to do what you do, you do. Where did Petty Murphy come from?

All right, so I'm going to tell the story on how I came up today, Petty Murphy. I have a friend of mine who was telling me you need to reavent yourself, right? So I was like, okay, because I'm getting a lot of hate and everything else too. So I'm sitting in my mom's basement and I'm smoking weed. Oh, yeah. And I'm watching. A lot of creativity that happens in the mom's basement smoking weed, okay? Well, especially when you pay for the Internet, the DirecTV, the home security system,

and the cell phone bills, you can do what the hell of hell you want. So I'm sitting there and I'm watching Eddie Murphy Raw. Eddie Murphy is my favorite one is 1A, 1B, between him and Richard Pryor, as my favorite community at all the time. You can't go wrong, flip-flop it, how you want it. And I said some, this is during the petty movement on social media. This was 2015. And I said some shit on Facebook.

Now, when you say the petty movement, you're referring to the, like, the dictionary definition of the word petty. Like, that's petty. You are. Yeah. Okay. So basically everybody, everybody was being petty. Being petty.

Exactly. especially during the whole Trump and Clinton race everyone was being petty and that's how America was great everybody with America was petty okay so I'm sitting there and I said something on Facebook and some chick

on there's like you petty as hell and I was sitting there watching Eddie Murphy do the Bill Cosby and Richard Pryor skit where he's got the Bill Cosby and the other comment Richard Pryor. I'm laughing I was like you know what I'm going to change my name on face I'm going to change my

call me. They'm going to call myself Petty Murphy. And that's how I was born. Just sitting there smoking weed and watching Eddie Murphy. And getting called out for being petty. And you're being a call out for being petty and you basically create a creative genius. You become a creative genius and now it's a trademark. It's a brand.

Yeah, I like that. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Good deal. So just practically, my triumphant comedians, Eddie Murphy's up there along with George Carlin and Sam Kennison. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And the thing that people don't see to understand about those three comics.

And of course, you know, Richard Pryor, Red Fox, Paul Mooney, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Martin Lawrence, Bernie Mac. With these comics, these legendary comics, even George Lopez, these legendary comics, they speak truth. Okay, satire's been, so you can go for... Exactly. Even, yeah. Exactly.

Newspapers, comic strip days. Right. And a lot of people don't seem to understand. is that the number one thing that people hate the most is what they demand. The truth. We have to you and I talked about it. Remember the scene from a few good men. Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson, one of the greatest scenes in film history.

I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. That's the problem with our country. And I want to say this is because we saw the video that happened out of Springfield, Illinois. Sonia Massey getting killed in her home and she's the one who called the police. There's a fellow podcaster down to Florida. I'm not going to mention him because he's a bigot. He's an idiot.

I posted a list of all the names, of all those of color, black that were killed by the police. 101 names. Notable. And the reason why I posted it is because, yeah, there are instances where it happens, but what people don't seem to understand is that the media controls are what you want to see. True. True.

And I put that list out there. And this guy just basically just attacked the list, attacked the people that were dead, calling them a bunch of criminals. How the hell can you sit there and say that? How can you sit there and say, talk about George Floyd? Yeah.

We all saw a man with a knee on his neck couldn't breathe screaming for his mother for nine minutes what does his past criminal record have to do

with a white officer basically committing murder and people recording it for the world to see what does Sonia Massey getting tending to a boiling

pot of hot water what gave that officer any reason to shoot that woman when you saw the video all she said was I rebuke you in the name of Jesus that does not constitute and shooting her in the head

that does not constitute of basically when the cops come in there and say she's a crazy you know what what Mayor Rice having a toy gun at 12 years old. Mike Brown, Philando Castile, Brianna Taylor in her own home in Louisville, Kentucky, over a knock-knock warrant. And it wasn't even, they got the wrong address.

What do these things have to do with it? And I have to say this, and I definitely said it, because he said this, you guys support these criminals? I was like, you know what? you know what? I'm glad you said that. It's because you support the biggest criminal of them all. Donald

Trump. Yep. 34 34 counts. 34 conventions. 34 counts. He needs to be in prison. He does. Convicted of rape. And you're supporting one of the biggest clowns. And the reason why he came at me

is because I'm going to be 100% honest. I was not going to vote. this year. I was not. I did not have any confidence in Joe Biden. I had no damn confidence in Donald Trump. We all saw January 6th. Yeah.

But when Biden did the right thing, because okay, okay, Trump got shot. All right. This close. He got shot. And basically, I watched the Republican National Convention. It was like watching an episode of

he-ha. That's what. But it was, it was basically a sympathy, it was more sympathy than it was basically about politics. Because this man got shot. And trust me, when I got off from work and I saw that news like, Trump got shot. Hold up. And the dude, Misty, it's like that close, that close. And shot him in the ear. So now he has street crad now.

Now he's to white, Evander a holy field. He's missing a piece of his ear. Oh, good one. But when he came out that they wanted the Republican National Convention with the bandage on his ear, people sitting there crying like he was Michael Jackson

at a concert in the 80s in Budapest. He just got shot. I mean, everybody gets shot every day, V. But... Let me ask you, let me just jump in here, right? Because this is, because when it happened, right, there's an interesting point that how we respond to this now is vastly different from the last time a president was shot. Exactly. Right?

Because something has changed, something has happened. Because, yes, he was also, he was still president. He has, yes, gone down. He's not getting my vote in this next election. But the response to that event is vastly different from the last time. something like this was happening. I don't know if it's because he was missed, because it missed him, and there was real no serious thought, because I think otherwise it could have played out a lot differently. It could have, and he said it was about a quarter of a millimeter, if he had turned to the right,

he would not shot in the head. But apparently the guy had bad aim because he tried to throw the rifle team on his high school team, and he sucked. I mean, he missed, literally. I mean, but the ignorance that came out of because I saw this meme, well, the guy must have been Brody James because he went one for eight. What the hell is LeBron James' kid had to do with this shit? I mean, really?

I mean, you know, that was a little borderline racist and her name was Karen, by the way. I did mention her name on the Fettie Murphy Project at her handle, so I hope her social media blew up, you'd welcome, lady. But the reason why, to answer your question, the difference is that

Kennedy's was in black and white. it wasn't really told in social media in real time there really wasn't no updates to where we have to sit there watching and pretty much majority of us wasn't born back dead so that was the last time our president got shot now a presidential candidate

that got shot was his brother RFK and then the last person that got shot and lived was Reagan yeah so with Trump the magnitude there was a magnitude there was a magnitude yeah that was a magnitude

on both sides and as I said this before Malcolm X one said the media controls the minds which controls the masses I'm gonna tell you all this straight up I got the best sleep ever because the news would not stop I fell asleep with that going on and woke up it was like damn it's still on 2 o'clock in the morning man can't can somebody play mash or something I mean do something but how that all played out, and you guys seen this for a whole week, and I said this, I show sympathy because, for one, no matter how I feel about it, he's still a human being. Yes.

But two, then again, you know, on this side, we have to pay attention to what we're seeing. I think a lot of people failed to pay attention, and they really didn't pay attention during COVID, during the lockdown. when you couldn't do anything. And I told people this. When you're not able to do shows, when you're not able to go see your family, when you're not able to do your normal life due to a pandemic,

through something that's out of your control, which is, you know, being much an act of God, when you're not able to do nothing and you're isolated, you should have been taken all that time to think about your life before this happened, and what you're going to do after this happened. And I think COVID played the part to where people don't think ideology. I don't know because, so I went up to school,

I went to school up in Minnesota, Mancada. Okay. And I was there during the pandemic, doing that, and then I was there when the George Floyd murder happened. And that shocked our entire school. We were out up in, we were up in Minneapolis, going to the protests, going to the rallies, and being there on the ground. And I have to say that I felt that the pandemic forced us to no longer sit back.

And I think that's the starting point where we decided, as a collective, that we will not stand for things anymore. There are you going to move. We're going to do this because we've been so started. And it was not, again, not the tail end of the pandemic, but right about that point where things start to improve and we say, no, no more. We have to respond to this. We have to read. And we had to, it's because it was televised. You know, you had Breonna Taylor.

You had George Floyd. You had Amad Aubrey. You had Jacob Black. You had all of this happen. Richard Brooks down in Atlanta. What people are not paying attention is that we, as the new generation and the older generation, we're tired of it. We're tired of it. And with this going on here, too, I told people.

when Trump got shot. Pay attention. Shit's about to hit the fan. And look at Hoppin in the week. You have the Republican Convention. Okay, ends Thursday. Okay, Joe Biden catches COVID Wednesday. Then Sunday, he drops out.

Kamala Harris steps in. Kamala Harris made $84 million within 24 hours to be the nominee for the Democrats. Trump is mad and what happens in between then we have Sonia Massey we have a lot of things that are happening that we really need to pay attention

to everybody's always focused on social media always focus on that blue app or that X app or that Instagram app there's a lot of things that we are missing and this is why we have such a cultural divide is because we don't understand

one another's because we're not paying attention to what's really real what's really affects us. So with the election, I'm saying this. I don't care. I mean, you can be Republican. You can be Democrat. Make sure your vote makes sense. Don't do it just because Trump can talk and talk about, I got, I'm going to get rid of a sleepy jail. And he dropped out. I mean, I'm going to basically build the wall. I'm going to finish him to close the wall. All these charges against me are erroneous. Rudy Giuliani is a fine

American, Alvin Salomon Theodore, all of that. You basically have to vote if you want to shape the future of this country. There's a lot of things that Trump did that has this country so divided.

And I say this. It's like, oh, well, he did a lot for you. I'm sorry, but I mean, a stiless check to me ain't nothing. I go work for that. There ain't nothing. That's just free money, tax money, that's right off,

but it didn't mean anything to me is because what am I going to do is I work for that. He didn't do enough. He didn't really do anything. Just call all his homies. Just call all of his homies some tax breaks and then the rest of his homies went to jail. I mean, you know,

and with the Supreme Court granted him immunity, that you basically just said that you basically... You basically... Yeah, you... The president, who's led snowball effect for what he wants. And I know a lot of people talk about Project 2025 or Agent 47, whatever it is. Whatever that is is going to happen if we do not pay attention and do something about it now. That means we need to basically not say Trump is the best option.

We have other options out there. We have to see what Kamala's plan is and see how she attacks Trump. and she's going to go after him. She's a former prosecutor. She's going to go after him. And I say this because someone said that Donald Trump said, if Joe Biden gets reelected, the country would be in bloodshed. If he gets reelected as president again, the country's going to be in bloodshed.

Now, January 6th, I said this a long time ago. Now, all those people out there, had them been all the black people that were, We're protesting front of the White House. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we're up to the Capitol. That'd be a lot more people did. Exactly. I mean, you basically, you basically were the catalyst to the insurrection of a riot.

You told them. We're going to march up to the Capitol, and we're going to stop the vote. Mike Pence must do the right thing. Let's go up to the minimum. I will meet you there. I will be there with you. You basically told these people to go. basically mess up the capital.

Exactly. You basically told him to be a disgrace to America and the entire world saw it. Mm-hmm. The entire world saw it. That right there, the 25th Amendment should have been implemented

right then and there. Get him out of office, impeach him, and make sure that he can never run for public office again. It's bad enough. It's bad enough. enough he can't even run his own business at Trump Tower and yet alone you're going to trust him to be the fleet of the free world after I watched the debate I thought

about it maybe Kanye West for president isn't such a bad idea I mean you know he's eccentric but he's Kanye I mean that wouldn't been about I've been better choices I I mean, Justin Timberlake's bartender could have been the president of the United States. Don't vote for that. But I think we as a country, we really need to pay attention for the next 100-plus days. Pay attention to what's really going on in the world. I think people need to stop watching reality TV because it's fake. Yeah.

It's a scripted. I think people need to basically, when it comes to adults, need to tend to their children because we don't know what they're doing. I mean, more kids are getting bullied in schools and committing suicide. Do you have kids? I have no children. I have nieces and nephews, still. They are my kids. They are my kids.

And I break this down when I mean that, is that kids are getting into suicide and being bullied more is because they see adults doing it on social media. And then they want to blame the teachers and everything. No, it's you. If your kid is going around bullying another kid, Where do you get it from? They get it from you.

Because they see you on social media and you want to be your kid's friend. You got to stop doing that. And I think me as a comedian, I try to tell people, yes, I can tell jokes, but I can also be truthful. And I think that's what we need more. We need more truthful comedy to be funny and hurt. I mean, that's the comedy we grew up on. Exactly. And everything that has happened in our lifetime, George Carlin said it.

he said it I respect him much more going back and watching his old stuff he said it Richard Pryor said it Red Fox said it Cat Williams said it

I want people to understand that two statements this year are powerful and no it's not ski you have a you have an unhealthy allegiance to losers and that's not like you that's Kat Williams

now we have they not like us Kendrick Lamar if Kamala Harris comes out dancing to not like us at the Democratic National Convention it's a rap because what we're seeing

is this people in the ideology because what Trump has done he brought back the old guard the old America where everything was being oppressed he's bringing those people out yeah we saw Charlottesville We saw DeCath, we saw January 6th, we saw all of that, and what I experienced yesterday. There are some real idiotic people in the world that are very uneducated.

People will basically go to social media, go to one of those other websites, they're not solidified, and basically run with satire. Or in the words of Donald Trump, fake news. Fake news. Anything I don't like is fake. It's fake news. It's fake news. If you watch the debate. fate. Because, yeah, bite and fumbled,

but Trump wouldn't answer any questions from Jake Tapper about January 6th when he asked him, do you feel any remorse about January 6th? Trump changed the question. He learned that from Roddy Piper.

Roddy Piper's famous quote, just when you think you have all the answers, I changed the question. Trump wasn't trying to admit guilt, but you can look at his face. It says, guilty right on front of his face. I mean you look at what he has done and he's being defiant and I do not want him to be

my president because he's going to be turning to Fidel Castro and at that point if he does become president if you don't like him leave America don't go to Canada because Drake ruined that trip

leave I don't care where you go go to Guam, go to Puerto Rico still is a U.S. territory but you still ain't got to worry about Trump but I personally have my passport ready and it's like I'm going to go see the world I'm not going to come back to America if he's the president

I think if he does lose it's a win for America it's not in me it wins it's a loss now don't get me wrong Joe Biden did the right thing keep your legacy intact keep your legacy intact but when you

want if you want him gone because of his age Mitch McConnell should be gone yeah Mitch McConnell if you want to talk about Joe Biden's self, Mitch McConnell pulled the Wendy Williams twice. And if you know about the Wendy Williams, hit the ground. Hit the ground. He's got to go. Wendy Graham's got to go. Marjorie Taylor Green, badly built body.

It's got to go. Get rid of the old guard and bring in the new guard of politicians that want to change the culture, change the country. I think the Supreme Court needs to be uplifted, no overhaul. You know, because those judges that are on there that made those changes for Road v. Wade, for the immunity for Trump, were Trump appointed. And if you're a woman, hey, I'm all for you to have reproductive rights. You should have those rights. You are a woman. You have a choice. especially if you've been raped through incest or

you know anything like that you have to write it is your body don't let politics and the government tell you how to have your body and this is where women of all colors need to basically

roll a comma she's trying to give you your productive rights back Biden hasn't said anything but comma has been on the campaign trail talking about this you don't see Trump talking about it why because he doesn't care he's a misogynist

and you know I haven't seen Melania Trump in four years until I saw her last Thursday she's scared for her life she wants to leave so I think this and Trump does not win

she should divorce him why she gets half she gets half she gets half half of what's because he's already he's already lost a lot money but she gets half of what's left dog she gets half and

unfortunately this got to be the last word because we are almost out of time Mike back to you just for one sec picture game please I know we're talking about game design that's right it's right just what you were saying KC coming up as a culture

as a spot to be that's what this game is all about this is a love letter to Kansas City so we flew an artist out he took 400 photos of downtown Kansas City and all of the areas around it. We turned them into locations. So the game is a cooperative game where two to four players come together as a team. They choose what they do. They roll for the dice and they search through the city that's being destroyed by a storm. So they're racing against a clock. And all of it, all of the art is original. It's replayable over and over. There's tons of Kansas City references

and we've got, we've got a chief help football helmet in there. We've got tons of stuff. All right. Yeah. Let's do actually final final word. Brief introduction. Terrence, I did not get to really learn who you are. So you are Taranty's, you are the Petty Murphy podcast. I am the petty, I am, you are Petty Murphy. I am the host of the Petty Murphy Project, which you can find on all platforms, you can watch live interviews on Facebook, watch, YouTube, follow on Facebook.com at slash the Petty Murphy Project, Instagram at the Petty Murphy Project, TikTok at the Petty Murphy Project,

and subscribe at the Petty Murphy Project. Ladies and gentlemen, like I said, I got some upcoming events coming up here. I'm going to Las Vegas Friday, so Vegas, I'm on my way. I need to basically go by the Allegiance Stadium and go pee in the parking lot. Then make sure they don't, the Ritters don't. But I'll come see y'all Friday night at the Sin City Seafood and Kitchen. But the Kansas City area, man, hey, on the real August 10th, we need y'all to come on out to I am Petty at the timeout event center in St. Joe.

You got Kansas City comedians. I got two of the top nominees for Best Comedian that are going to be performed as Dan Rathman and Peels. You got comedian Keith Lewis Spencer. You got Josh Lynch. We have George Zilla and AJ Slater coming from Omaha, Nebraska. We got music from Smash Dax from Oklahoma. Jod the Poet, AmeriP, all from Oklahoma.

We have Live Fast, Live Forever from Wichita, Kansas. We have Shauna Knapp, Kansas City's own. Pretty Boy E-Runner. straight up from Kansas City, and it's hosted by my main man from Oman Nebraska Cameron Edwards. Ladies and gentlemen once you're all to come out. We are filming a movie. We need y'all to

come out. People in Kansas City area, people in St. Joe, wherever you are, come on out. Have some fun. The venue is 3,000 people. I'd be happy with 1,000. But come on out, everybody. Tickets are available right now online at brownpapertickets.com to go to

I Am Petty at Brown Paper Tickets.com or go pick up your tickets from the timeout event center as well I will be actually sent out more tickets out up there as well getting them out there but I'm looking forward to ending 2024 with a bang you'll be seeing me in the TV series returned to Sheehan with Benzino I got a couple more movie roles coming up as well so thank you Kansas City's the culture Kansas City's my home thank you very much for coming out tonight

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