This Week in Startups - Startup pitch competition: Jason invests $25K | E1819

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A lot of VCs get obsessive, Kelly, about, oh, you know, is this venture scale? I don't know if it's venture scale. When you're early, early, early, early stage like we are, free incorporation of the company and at the incorporation in, you know, years zero, one, two, and three, we get in at such a modest valuation, typically low millions of dollars like Wycombinator and Arc and, you know, other, you know, accelerators do. We could be a bit more frisky. A $50 million or $150 million outcome for us could be a.
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Starting point is 00:01:07 helping companies succeed with banking and credit cards engineered for the startup journey. Join over 100,000 companies banking with Mercury at mercury.com. All right, everybody, welcome back to this week in startups. We have a really fun show for you today. People always ask me, can I have money? I've got an idea for a startup and I want to get started. I need money. And we say, great, what's your idea? And we always try to figure out how can we invest in these
Starting point is 00:01:36 companies. But it's hard because as a venture firm, we can't just be giving money to people with ideas. That doesn't scale. And it results in a lot of zeros. In other words, companies that never get their products launched. So what should a venture firm do or an early stage seed fund do with the deluge of people coming to them with ideas or even an MVP. But they're not incorporated yet, or maybe they're incorporated, but there's really not that much there to go on. Well, what most VC funds do is they say, come back when you have your product launch and some traction.
Starting point is 00:02:11 It was great to meet you if they even take the meeting. Well, funny thing happened for us. We started a program called Founder University. It's a 12-week course, and we started an experiment where we asked them these same founders, would you like to come to a 12-week course where you can learn all the fundamentals of starting a company and finding product market fit? What is product market fit? It's a very fancy term for building a product that customers actually like and get value from and they use. In other words, you know, you made a hamburger, people ate it and they enjoyed it and they came back
Starting point is 00:02:46 again and ordered another hamburger. Product market fit. PMF is a, you know, you made a hamburger. a term of art here in Silicon Valley. So what we tried to do with this 12-week course, which you can find at founder.com, was see if anybody would come to this course. We do two sessions a week at 6 p.m. at night on Monday and Thursdays,
Starting point is 00:03:10 and you learn all the fundamentals with me to discuss our founder university program. And for you to meet three of the companies that we really liked from it is Kelly Shricker. Kelly has worked with me over two companies, Inside.com, and now at lunch is what's called a principal. A principal is not a school term,
Starting point is 00:03:32 like a principal or assistant principal, like in high school. No, a principal is above an associate below a managing director in the hierarchy of a venture firm. Associates are usually lowest rung of venture firms. We happen to have two rungs lower than that, a researcher and an analyst. So some firms have that kind of career path, which Kelly is on. Kelly, welcome back to the program.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Tell us we're in the sixth cohort here of launch, launch the launch funds founder university program. And it's been growing quickly. Just some back of the envelope numbers here. How many people applied? How many did we accept? And who are we currently accepting into the program? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Thank you so much for having me, Jason. I'm so excited to be here. and talked about Founder You. So Founder You, we're in the sixth cohort. We've had 1,250 companies actually go through the program. We've done 46 investments. That's a 25K investment signed and wired. We have a few other offers out there.
Starting point is 00:04:38 We also have had 12 companies end up going to our accelerator. So that's a big one for us as well. We also have companies that go outside of us, Techstars, Y, see some other really great programs. We have our next cohort kicking off into seven. and there we're looking for Builder Founders, so folks that can actually get their idea out into the world. It's going to kick off the first week of December,
Starting point is 00:05:00 and we're currently reviewing applications, and we'll get back in about a week or less once we see that application come through. And you can apply at Founder.com. We had 2,000 people apply this last cohort, I understand. So this is growing quickly. And what that means is you have a one in 10 chance of getting in to the program now. when we started, you had 100% chance
Starting point is 00:05:24 of getting into the first two cohorts because we just let everybody in. And we now are a little more selective. So let's just unpack what we're looking for in terms of teams. There's two key criteria here. One, generally solo founders do not go that far in startups unless they've got a lot of experience
Starting point is 00:05:46 or they have a lot of money to deploy to hire teams. So solo founders were not as interested in. For this class, let's unpack solo founders versus two or three person teams. Of the 200, was it 220 teams that started this year in the sixth cohort? Is that the number? That's correct. Correct. Of those, how many had a solo founder?
Starting point is 00:06:11 I'd say less than 10%. And then I think the reason we selected them was that they were a great fit for a lot of other reasons and were builders themselves. so hopefully they can get a couple more people on board. We talk about the importance of having additional co-founders in that first week, and we've actually seen some folks team up during the program, which is really cool. And the importance of having a co-founder is what? Is that when you have a day that you're sick or burnt out,
Starting point is 00:06:36 there's still people working on the business if you're fundraising, and then hopefully you have complementary skill sets as well so that when one person's building somebody else is maybe going out and talking to customers and having those conversations. So again, the big idea there is that when you're out, it doesn't all stop. Yeah. And it's a lonely job to be a founder. And it does seem like the teams of co-founders, two, three, or even four, they tend to go much further. And so it's better for a founder to have a smaller piece of the pie. In other words, divide the founder shares by two or three and have a greater chance of success. So, programs like TechStars Y Combinator, the launch accelerator, we all prefer to see multiple co-founders because as investors, well, it's downside protection for us. Let's be candid.
Starting point is 00:07:27 The attrition rate for solo founders is so much higher. They go out of business at such a higher rate. So it is a bit pragmatic on the part of investors. Also, as one investor told me, if you can't find a co-founder, you failed the first test of being an entrepreneur. So, again, people don't like to be super candid, but if you have an idea and you don't have any skills, you are kind of worthless to the investment community.
Starting point is 00:07:56 That's basically how they look at you. Now, that's not true. You're not worthless. But it is a competition for funding dollars. A person with an idea is 100% of the population. A person with skills to build that idea is, you know, 5, 10% of the population. So, and then three people, getting three people together, you know, now you're talking about like one percent of the pool of potential startups we could accept. And it's a competition, right? To get into these programs, it's a competition. Why would it, why on earth would one of these programs accept a solo founder with no ability to build the product over three builders, two developers, a designer, a growth hacker? So let's pivot to that next question. What do we see results in product velocity?
Starting point is 00:08:43 in terms of the characteristics of a three-person team. If you were putting together the ideal three-person team to build a startup, an app company, a marketplace, a consumer product, SaaS, whatever it is, what would those three positions look like? The skill set of the three. The skill set of the three, yep. So I would say at least one of them has to actually be technical and be able to build, whether that's kind of on the low end, no code.
Starting point is 00:09:11 hopefully they can get it out to the world and hopefully be shipping updates weekly. Somebody who can talk to customers understand the marketing and sales side of it. I would say last on the list would be operations. Again, I would prefer to stack either two of those skills on top of each other and then go for that last role. Two developers, a designer, U.X person, probably going to go even further than the ops person. You can always add an ops person. So no offense, I'm an ops person. I think you prefer the ops people.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I always look at the ops people and I'm like, add that person later. You can always get an ops person. They're, I don't know I say a dime a dozen. The great ones are not a dime a dozen, but there's a lot of ops people out there who are available to join startups. Two developers and a designer. To me, that's the ideal team. Somebody can do the front end and two developers because developers are so hard to find. So I'll go to developers and design.
Starting point is 00:10:06 People have different views on this. If you want to get into Y Combinator or Tech, If you want to get into Y Combinator specifically, three developers, they'll probably just accept you. Because that is such a rare combination. So the more developers in their mind, the better. For me, I'm a little bit of a design guy, so I would probably go to developers and a designer. You're an ops person. So you're going to look at the world and say, hey, an ops person, a salesperson,
Starting point is 00:10:29 and a developer is a great combination. All of those combinations are pretty good. They're all better than a solo founder or two founders. So, you know, if you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together is the saying. So everybody should apply to join us at founder. If you are a solar founder, don't not apply, apply, because we're building tools to help people find co-founders.
Starting point is 00:10:58 And actually, I think Wycombinator has a co-founder tool that's available to everybody, right? That tool is available to anyone. So shout out to Y Combinator for building. that that's a great program. We love, by the way, people coming to Founder University, which is a pre-accelerator, a course, and going to Y Combinator TechStars, what's the new one that Y Combinator was trashing on Twitter X, Neo, is the new accelerator out there. Go to any accelerator. We don't care. If you come to Founder University, and we invest a little bit and you go to another accelerator, we just want to see you be successful. So we're not sharp elbow. We're not getting into wars on Twitter
Starting point is 00:11:35 with other accelerators. The more people supporting founders in my mind, the better. So there's always room in these early stages to find investment for these companies. Are you still using your personal phone number for your startup? It's 2023. It's time to stop. It is a huge mistake that founders make. Why?
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Starting point is 00:13:31 and people who fill out the weekly report. Explain what we ask people to tell us every week when they're in Found University. Absolutely. So we asked for just high-level basics on the business. They're one simple sentence. Did you add any co-founders or team members? And then some metrics on the business, of course. So do you have new users?
Starting point is 00:13:50 Do you have new customers? Have you gotten new investment? And then we asked them to share their wins with us as well. And I think that question specifically allows us to see so much of what's going on behind the scenes. and then really jump in and be able to be helpful to these businesses outside of those high-level metrics. Yeah. So explain your business in a sentence. Very hard to do.
Starting point is 00:14:10 What's really great, you know, I noticed with one of the companies that we were investing in, I won't say which one, but the golf one that I fell in love with. You know, they were each week refining their simple sentence to explain what they did. And when I looked at like, they had filled out eight of the 12 weeks, 67% of it. of their updates for us. And I thought that was really great. And I watched their thinking change in that one simple sentence. And if you can't crisply describe your startup, it's probably because you don't understand your business or product yet,
Starting point is 00:14:44 which is fine. You're in the product discovery phase. We ask if you had a change in the number of founders. That's an inflection point, right? If you go from two to three co-founders, wow, we spoke earlier about how important that is. And then we also ask, is your product launched in beta?
Starting point is 00:15:00 and so that's a really interesting question. As you said, we asked basic numbers. How many paying customers do you have? How many users do you have? Users and customers obviously being two different things. Users are free. Free loaders, that's fine. None of us pay for Instagram.
Starting point is 00:15:16 And then customers, in the Instagram analogy, would be the advertisers. How many customers do you have? And then did anybody else invest? So we want to know that too. And you left out the most important part. We have a checkbox. that asks a question to each of the founders.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Am I understanding is 60% of them check yes for this very important question? Explain that question to everybody. Absolutely. So we phrase it as, are you open to the friends and family round through Lunt, which is the 25K investment we do? I've heard you mention, Jason, that not every founder has rich friends and family.
Starting point is 00:15:53 I certainly did not when I was a founder. And so it's a really great privilege to be able to offer that amount of money to these founders and be that first really vote of confidence for them. Yeah. So we just ask very simply, would you like to be considered for the $25,000 friends and family check from launch fund? We do that at a million dollar valuation, which is what you're probably your uncle would ask for, your aunt or your rich parent or friend. And as you mentioned, we've done over 40 of those. I think it's 46 now. And that's just an option for us, really, to get to know the company, support them, and then invest in the next two rounds. As a venture
Starting point is 00:16:28 capitalist owning 2.5% of a business, that's a very small amount. You really want to get your ownership to 5 to 15% in the winners. So it's just a starting point for us as a fund to get to know you, get to join our founder Slack, and you get to be a launch company. So founder university is best described for people who are wondering as a pre-accelerator. It's something that comes before the launch accelerator tech stars, Neo, Sequoia's arc program, and of course, combinator, which is, you know, just the OG amazing accelerator here in Silicon Valley. So we have three companies today. We're going to have each one pitch. Four companies. Oh, we're doing four today. Fantastic. We have four companies. Yep. And we do a two to three minute pitch in our
Starting point is 00:17:14 programs. Founder University, we do a two minute pitch. And then at the accelerator, we do a three minute pitch. Why do we do a two and a three? Founder University, these companies are just in the product, discovery phase, finishing their product. The accelerator, they tend to have a little bit more going on in terms of products and go-to-market. So we'd like a nice quick two-minute pitch. I call that the trailer of a startup. What is the goal of the two-minute pitch at Founder University? What is the goal of that two-minute pitch? And what should the person listening to it understand? What are the basic things they should understand if the founder did their job? Absolutely. So the main goal is just to get another conversation. You cannot introduce every character and every part of the story in two
Starting point is 00:17:56 minutes. So as long as you can get them on a call, a Zoom, an in-person meeting, you have achieved what you need to achieve in that two minutes. What we like to see covered is a very short opening on the problem. Please don't go too far on that. A lot of founders make that mistake early on. We understand the problem. We really want to look at that solution. So show us that solution. Don't tell us about it. Get it on the screen. Bring it to life for us. We definitely want to know about traction. We would love to know about the team. And then, of course, we want to make sure this is a venture scale business. So if you can touch on your go to market strategy and that bottom up tam, that's great. If you don't have time for those, I'd say definitely make sure you go through
Starting point is 00:18:33 the solution, the team, and the traction first. So here's the problem. You can't get a taxi. It's hard to find a taxi and get a ride. Here's a solution. Take out your phone, open the Uber app, click. And then here's the Tam. Everybody who's trying to get from point A to point B, public transit and, you know, cabs and Lincoln Town cars and everything in between. I just did Uber in 60. I did it in probably 30 seconds. You know, pick a random company, Kelly, and I'll show you how easy it says. Pick a popular company we all know. And I will do this for you for any company. Instacart. They're big right now. Okay. Instacart. They just went public. Fantastic. You don't have time to go shopping for your groceries.
Starting point is 00:19:21 or you forgot three items from your cart. Take out your iPad, put those in a cart, and have somebody do the shopping for you. And if they make a mistake and they're out of the type of ice cream you want, they'll just text you and tell you which ice cream you want to substitute or if you don't want a substitute, and then they'll be at your house in under two hours for $10. Our go-to-market is to go to suburbs and cities, you know, cities.
Starting point is 00:19:51 are great places to do this and medium-sized supermarkets where they don't have the ability to build this technology for themselves like Walmart does. Those are our ideal customers. Yeah. And going back to your question about what the listener should try to get out of it, you know, really thinking about, you know, do you believe in this founding team? Do you believe in the problem they're solving with that solution? And also, do you believe in the business model that they're proposing for this? You know, that might change later on, especially with early stage companies. But you can tell a lot about what the founder is thinking about and how they're approaching the problem from the two minutes. And again, as long as you think that there's something
Starting point is 00:20:28 there, it's always worth another conversation. Yeah. And people are, investors are very busy, as we discussed, being able to give them a two minute pitch, a 10 minute pitch, and a 30 minute deep dive. Those are three different opportunities. And, you know, different VCs and investors have different, you know, tolerances. Some want to jump on a Zoom. and do the 10 minute call. Some want you to come to their office and do the 30 minute and spend an hour with you
Starting point is 00:20:56 and you pitch for 20, 30 minutes. That's how we used to do it back in the day, tons of questions, really get a feel for you. And some like to come to a demo day and see two minute, three minute pitches and just pick their three favorites
Starting point is 00:21:08 to go to a deeper meeting, right? So there's all different modalities here. And in my case, when I said it's $10, you made a very good point. Like, do you believe that business model? I probably wouldn't believe that. It's too much work for $10, right? It takes half an hour to shop and half an hour to get the groceries to you and $10, an hour is below, you know, what a door dasher or a shopper, Instagram makes.
Starting point is 00:21:33 So that actually business model doesn't work and they've pursued advertising as their business model. And maybe they're a break even business. So there you go. Like even in this like little brief back and forth we did here as a test, you can see the power of really concisely explaining your model. in the early days and all the way to the Instacart IPO. And sometimes you don't, as an investor, even need to believe it. I don't need to believe in your business model perfectly because you can change that. But I do believe the problem.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Yeah, anybody who's a parent, you and I have both parents, like, we forgot something. We had, you know, dad or mom brain. We just forgot the three most important things. Or we ran out of the three most important things and we need to refresh and we don't want to make the ride. Like, everybody knows that problem's real. then it's just, okay, can you actually convince the supply and the demand side to get together in a marketplace? Stop what you're doing right now.
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Starting point is 00:22:47 You have to have a dot-tech domain name to get featured. This week, I received a great pitch from Hivepower. Dot Tech. That's H-I-V-E-Power.Tech, which you can see in the video right now if you're watching. Hive Power is a Swiss startup. They're working on transforming energy management and their software platform helps businesses optimize EV charging, distribute energy more effectively, and more. Energy prices have gotten out of control. They're volatile.
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Starting point is 00:23:29 go to startups.com slash Jason and apply today. That's startups.com. slash Jason. So let's have our first company go. We're going to see four companies and then I'll invest 25K and one of them right here on the spot because, hey, 25K is a small bet
Starting point is 00:23:46 and we know these companies. So let's get started. All right. First up, we're going to have Jason with Newcomer Games. Three, two, go. I'm Jason, and today I'm introducing Newcomer, which unlocks language immersion for every learner everywhere. Meet Mac. He's a language learner with two main problems, lack of motivation, and lack of conversation opportunities. He discovers Newcomer, a cross-platform story-driven video game that immerses learners, in their target language. Max's a beginner, so he uses phrase building, a supportive mechanism to help him easily communicate
Starting point is 00:24:25 in his new language. He transitions to intermediate mode to practice speaking. His current task to ask this character's name in French. He's unsure how to say this, so he references his dictionary for a translation. He tries speaking. Finally, checking his input for corrections. On Kickstarter, I crowdfunded over $24,000. I have 7,000 people on the wait list,
Starting point is 00:25:15 and lastly, I've had multiple newcomer gameplay posts getting above 10,000 upvotes on Reddit. Newcomer's key strength is contextualizing language learning better than other applications. It's a new market segment that I call video game language immersion. customers purchase newcomer for $20 with a $10 monthly subscription granting AI-enabled features. Newcomers not only localized four, but supports learning Spanish, French, Italian, and English. In two weeks, I release a paid beta to 7,000 waitlisted. I'll reach 100 million ARR with 833,000 yearly subscriptions, which would be 1.5% of my TAM. I'm Jason, and I'm unlocking language immersion for every learner everywhere.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Thank you. Well, this is a creative idea. It's Duolingo meets Nintendo, which I love. It's immersive. My kids are on Minecraft or Roblox all the time. They love these games. And I think there is a huge opportunity. The question I'll have for you is, and by way, great job presenting. Are you a first time founder? I am a first time founder. great and so things that are great about this pitch number one you showed the product and the product super compelling number two you showed a lot of traction um but not um traction that comes from a launch product but like sort of the precursors to traction uh founders love when they see a Kickstarter or a patreon why that shows that you have customers who are so interested in this product they're willing to pay for it in advance you know who else had customers who love the product so much they were able to pay in advance Jason what's the best example um best example and by the way fluent you maybe i think that's
Starting point is 00:27:05 actually in terms of it's a very expensive product it's an incredibly it's in fact probably the second or third most considered purchase a person can make in their lives and it wasn't for college and it wasn't for a home it wasn't for a marriage kids. Those are other massive considered decisions. There's another considered decision. It's not a vacation either. Vacations are very considered decisions. What's a really considered decision of something you buy that you have for a long time that you use typically daily? That is, unless you live in a city. You didn't say a car? A car. Wow. Elon Musk, very famously, sold hundreds of the Tesla roadsters and then a thousand of the
Starting point is 00:27:51 Model S signature models for the full price of the car in advance. So you are following in Elon's footsteps of having such a compelling product that people will do that, and you showed the Reddit votes. Now the Reddit votes, that seems like,
Starting point is 00:28:07 you know, who cares? Not me. I know the Reddit audience is very sophisticated, and I know understanding how to market on Reddit, or I won't even say market, engage with the community on Reddit,
Starting point is 00:28:19 is not easy. These people are insane. like these are hardcore people I know because some of them are fans of the podcast and if they're in the other podcast and if they don't like it they go crazy so your pitch was great
Starting point is 00:28:33 I'm just going to ask you one simple question which is games are a hit-based business and so you picked one modality of game it's kind of eight-beddy kind of old school games is that the best idea in terms of taking this to market
Starting point is 00:28:48 or have you considered taking an existing game and adding this as a plug-in to a Roblox, let's say, and then capturing that entire audience and teaching people who are already in Roblox how to speak another language. Yeah, well, I think that there certainly is the opportunity to make something like this similar to Roblox. When I first started to- No, no, not similar to Roblox.
Starting point is 00:29:13 And remember, you always got to listen deeply to my question. So is it a hit space business with my first question? The second was, have you considered integrating it into? role blocks, not replacing Roblox, but integrating an into Roblox. So those are the two questions. Let's try to answer those two. Okay. So addressing the first question, I actually don't really consider what I'm making. I don't consider that I'm necessarily in the hit space business. I consider myself in the language learning industry and not necessarily the gaming industry. And I strongly believe that people using my product are language learners that, um,
Starting point is 00:29:51 want to use it to actively practice using their second language. So I think that there's always going to be a stream of people learning a second language, whether it be they need to learn a second language for work. So the game doesn't matter. What matters is they want to learn and it's more fun to learn in any game. So the game is not the most important part here. Yeah, the game is not the primary focus. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Yeah. No, to the second question. I mean, yeah, I mean, I think something. like this could be built on Roblox potentially. In terms of my own personal experience with the newcomer, I immediately defaulted to building this in 2D with pixel art because it's just really easy to scale pixel art. And I guess I wonder how easy it would be to scale a game like this on Roblox,
Starting point is 00:30:42 considering I know that Roblox is 3D. So it was a strategic choice to basically be able to scale the game quicker. So I'm immediately, Kelly here getting to the scale of the business, right? It's pretty clear that there's something here because you have people paying for it in advance. You have a Kickstarter. So I'm immediately trying to think how big can this get? And is there a way to accelerate the growth? Venture capital and raising money from venture capitalist and seed funds is about building large businesses and building them quickly.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Speed matters and the scale matters in order to have great outcomes for our LPs, the investors who give us money. that then give to you, Jason. We need to find founders who are going to build very large businesses, so that's great that you had a path to $100 million. It takes 800,000 customers. That's great that you're thinking that big. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:31:34 And it's actually kind of believable, right? Like, sure, why couldn't you get to 800,000 paid subs? We've seen other people get to, you know, millions of paid subs for products likecom. Or, you know, hundreds of thousands of subs. So it's a believable story in that regard. and you're thinking big, but then we're thinking,
Starting point is 00:31:53 hey, accelerant, if you became popular and there were already, you know, 10 million, 20 million, 30 million people
Starting point is 00:32:00 playing a certain game and that game has plugins if, you know, now you get 1% of those people to start playing the game and becoming subscribers and,
Starting point is 00:32:12 you know, it's just a go-to-market strategy like your go-to-market strategy of Kickstarter and you go-to-market strategy of Reddit. Okay, well done. Let's get our next,
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Starting point is 00:32:56 money. It's software that's built to help you scale with safety and stability, whether you're a team of two or 2000. And Mercury goes beyond banking to remove the Roblox to your success by providing you with the connections network and guidance necessary to make your ambitions real. So here's your call to action. Visit Mercury.com to join more than 100,000 startups on Mercury. The powerful and intuitive way for ambitious companies to bank. Disclamer, Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group and Evolve Bank and Trust. Members, FDIC. All right. Next we have Matthew with Scrumbley. All right, three, two, go. Hi, I'm Matthew, and our company is Scrumbley, an AI planning coach that helps teams maximize performance.
Starting point is 00:33:47 With over 200,000 people already being laid off in 2023, we're going to organizations are running lean, these teams have gaps, and we built Scrumbley to fill them. With Scrumbley's interactive planning and AI-powered coaching, teams can easily plan tasks and get real-time insights. Now, they can have all the benefits of a facilitator without the overhead. To date, we've launched our beta and implemented five organizations, serving a total of 27 team members. Our business model is SaaS, we offer a 30-day free trial, and then $15 a month per user. Teams often using keyM tools or spreadsheets for planning. However, these tools require a manager to maintain them and provide guidance.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Scrumbley complements these tools acting as a layer on top, supporting teams as the facilitator. Our marketing strategies are focused around four pieces, paid media, cold outreach, and tailored content and organic network effects. support these planning organizations. Recently, Shopify revealed average meeting costs exceeds $1,300, and our vision is to help teams collaborate asynchronously, saving them time and money. If we focus on the 485,000 companies using scrum today, our total addressable market is $1.1 billion a year, and that's just the initial niche market. We also have the team to execute, like a certified scrum master with over a decade of delivery
Starting point is 00:35:17 experience, Dave is a lead engineer with over eight years of product engineering experience, and I'm a creative director with 15 years of brand and product design experience. And the question we are answering is, what if your PM tool came with a PM? Scrumbley, an AI planning coach that helps teams maximize performance, reduce costs, prevent burnout, and set expectations. Thank you so much. Okay. Great presentation.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Very tight. you're reading from a script, which I don't advise. So always take this one piece of advice so you don't sound like you're on a script, which is to let the slide be your guide. When the slide changes, just organically read what's on the slide. If you get into that monotone where you're reading a script, we can kind of tell. This is a very tactical, tiny note for you on presentations. And people tend to zone out because they're like, well, I'm just reading the screen alongside it
Starting point is 00:36:13 and you're just like a voiceover actor. We want to actually hear the founder talking in a normal voice. And so it wasn't bad in any way, but it could be better if you're just more natural. And so it will go much smoother if you just describe it. I believe what you're saying. I believe there is a market for this, but you didn't give an example. And so I think when you showed that screen moving around and it was kind of, you know, either changing people's tasks or priorities,
Starting point is 00:36:44 or I'm not sure exactly what was happening. They're giving an example. Here, the AI sees that this person has, you know, time on their schedule and reassignes this automatically. This person sees this product, these two things are behind schedule, and it asks everybody in the group, why are these two things behind schedule?
Starting point is 00:37:04 So we're training the AI on these conversations that typically occur in scrum meetings, in project management, and then doing this. And the questions, so that's where, you know, One of my rules, those are two of my rules are presenting. One of them is let the slide be your guide. Don't use the script. Slide comes up.
Starting point is 00:37:22 It should trigger in you as the founder what to talk about. And it's okay to, you know, have ums and aws in terms of like this podcast. The fact that I might misspeak on a podcast and it's not scripted is why people love podcasts. They love that dynamism. If podcasts were people just reading position papers and from a script, you'd be like, I'll just read that, right? So the ums, the odds,
Starting point is 00:37:47 a little bit of awkwardness, a mislide or transition. That's okay. It's just like us, getting to know your personality. So slide be your guide and then examples matter. Two very important rules of presenting.
Starting point is 00:37:58 A really great example here would be what? What's an example you've seen your software do that you said, wow, this is kind of cool. Is there an awesome moment or what's the most awesome moment you've seen AI do
Starting point is 00:38:13 as a product manager. Because I believe product management is a skill in AI could do, right? That doesn't seem crazy. So what's an example you've seen already? Yeah. Implementing it in delivery teams, what we've seen is that our AI can actually call the personnel out
Starting point is 00:38:31 and say this person is looking heavy or impacted and then also call the person that might benefit from having more tasks potentially put on their plate. So it really allows for that specificity and using the data that we have in those tables to let you know kind of how to shuffle things around and optimize things. And this is a co-pilot that exists inside of Jira or is it you're building project management software as well? How do you look at that? Are you taking them on or are you adding a product to their platforms?
Starting point is 00:39:05 The latter. We're going to be a layer on top of the existing project management tools out there. I think there's a level of complexity there that people experience. when they use Jira and ClickUp, and they're not very focused on sprints necessarily, even though they have some of those features. Our AI is going to be a complement to those and allow people to hone in on Agile Methodologies.
Starting point is 00:39:27 And then finally, you had a slide, I think you have two co-founders, so there's three of you, is that correct? That's correct. Dave, product engineer, and then Blake, which is, he's a scrum master with over 10 years of experience. experience. And then what's your skill set? So you got the person who is actually uses this product. You got the engineer. And then what's your skill set? My background 15 years in the
Starting point is 00:39:54 brand and product design space. And in particular, we all use it as managers and executives in our companies with a lot of the ships currently ongoing. We were seeing people in roles, lead roles, taking on extra responsibilities. And so the product, to some extent, is designed through our experience. Great. So Kelly and I, you and I talked earlier about, like, what is the team composition here? And here you have like a pretty great team composition. And they're building a product that they want.
Starting point is 00:40:26 It's an itch that they want to scratch. So those are all things going for the startup. So well done, Matthew. Great job. Thanks, Jason. Thank you so much. Okay. Who's next, Kelly?
Starting point is 00:40:37 All right. Next up, we have Jared with Homescore. All right, three, two, go. Hi, I'm Jared, the CEO of Homescore, personalized report card for your ownership journey. So Josh and Dana are an anxious couple looking to buy their first property. They start their journey by researching over 95 listings and doing 18 different tours. But it's really difficult to know what it's like to live and own a specific property. HomeScore is your personalized AI home management platform for a successful ownership journey, all powered by verifiable first-party data.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Josh and Dana use Homescore to upload all the relevant documents they've accumulated for the four homes they're seriously considering. Additionally, our personalized intake quiz illuminates insights that matter most to their lifestyle, like which home is best for entertaining, or if a property is infant safe. Josh can also dive deeper into, let's say, air conditioning issues using our native AI chat. We meet homeowners during the buying process, but our vision is to have an ongoing relationship for their entire ownership journey. We have 75 homebuyers and owners on the wait list and are planning to go live within the next six weeks. We plan to start with a $3 per month price point for our beta home buyer customers,
Starting point is 00:42:06 and we'll move to $10 a month and launch our home owner pricing when we'll start when we add additional document analysis features. We see HomeS scores competition as contractor marketplaces and some of these upstart Home Binder solutions. Our go-to-market strategy will focus on SEO content and online community participation. Then we plan to scale with digital ads. We'll reach 10 million in ARR by capturing only 0.5% of the market
Starting point is 00:42:36 and 100 million with only 5%. Our initial audiences are 11 million serious home buyers and 25 million recent home owners. Myself and Chirot are the PB&J founder combination. I've built and launched a lot of culturally relevant brands and products. And Chirot has a deep AI and machine learning experience. And that's homescore. Okay. And homescore is a personalized report card for your ownership journey.
Starting point is 00:43:05 A bit of a mouthful. So it's a report card We can take out the word Personalize. It's a report card for your home. So a report card
Starting point is 00:43:17 is how your home is doing. Do this is to help people buy a home or after they've bought a home understand that value of their home? What problem are we really solving here? Because a report card
Starting point is 00:43:32 for your home is like a description of something but it's not exactly a problem. So what's the customer and what's their problem? Is it in the selection of a home? So when you're looking at Zillow, you get this massive CVS receipt of everything that it has in it. A lot of it is third party information.
Starting point is 00:43:48 What we're doing is adding first party data. You're collecting HOA documents, pictures of the home, you know, other. Again, not my question. So you're describing what's wrong with Zillow. Always like not a great way to pitch a business. Best way to pitch a business. What is the problem the customer has? and what are you solving for there?
Starting point is 00:44:07 So listen one more time deeply to my question. Is this for people who to help people make a better buying decision for their home or to maintain their home in some better way? Who's the customer? What's their problem? So it's to buy a home. That's our initial audience. We then will focus on homeowners as we get a lot of that first party information. Got it.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Okay. So you want to help me buy a home. And so the way you're going to help me buying a home is by inputting all the documents. I get. The floor plan, the Zillow listing, the Reddit listing, the materials, maybe the home inspection. I put that into your AI and it tells me buy or don't buy. Or what does it tell me? It tells you just you're someone that has a new infant and is there, you know, in the inspection report, if there's issues with mold, it'll kind of compare that to the other insights that we've gathered and give you a recommendation based on, is this a right fit for your needs?
Starting point is 00:45:02 got it people buy homes pretty and frequently they tend to live in them for you know sometimes the their entire lives so i wonder if the market of people who buy a home one time uh if you have what we call in the industry or what i call the e harmony problem e harmony helps you find a spouse if they do the job they've lost you as a customer uh so the better they are at solving your problem finding a spouse uh and finding a loss term spouse, they lose you as a customer. So I'm curious why you picked homebuyers as opposed to, say, real estate investors or something a little bit more, you know, somebody who could pay more money and maybe cares about more granularity, maybe making less of an emotional decision and somebody who's going to be making this decision every week or every month when they buy properties or every quarter. So have you thought about those two different markets and the e-harmony problem? Yeah, we did think about a couple of different markets. And we see that once you get appliance data, you can look at recalls.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Once you look at contractor data, you can make decisions on stability of a porch, for example. So for us, we saw that reaching a home buyer at when they're obsessed with that process was advantageous to minimize churn for homeowners. So therefore you can manage the various projects that you're doing. And at some point down the road would be relevant for contractors and investors as well. So we would be wanting to have a recurring relationship for homeowners as well. And the reoccurring relationship would be the maintenance in the home. So what you're really doing is not a report card on the home.
Starting point is 00:46:48 What you're really doing is help me make a better buying decision and manage this asset better. Yes. So it's a tool for buying and managing your greatest asset, your home. Yeah. We're getting you when you're obsessed with the home buying process because that's when you're eating and breathing it, stressed out about it, scanning everything. And then that way we make it more frictionless. You mentioned like the home book.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Did you say a home book or an estate book? What's it called? There's some of these home binder solutions where you... Home binders. Yes. what is a explain what a home binder is to me so it's you upload a bunch of documents and it's just kind of your repository of PDFs it's great kind of a dumb interface but we're looking to inject AI into that and make it searchable and smart and relevant yeah so this is a very interesting moment in your talk that goes
Starting point is 00:47:46 by really fast the home binder um kelly is a new home by homeowner correct Kelly and uh I own a couple of properties now, three properties. And I am using Notion to make home manuals for all this stuff. So I'm putting all that stuff into. And when we bought our home, the person who bought it gave us like a Google drive with some documents in it and they had a home. And then we bought our ski house. They gave us a home book, which was just a book of like a bunch of the stuff that they had there. So I actually think you know, the home book of every home is really interesting. So you are in the product market phase, product market fit phase here. You're still trying to figure out what the product is, correct?
Starting point is 00:48:36 Yes. Yeah, we're working to develop our V2 after the MVP. Yeah. And so even with the MVP, I wonder if like there seems to be two, there seems to be two products here. And I don't know what the overlap's going to be, but the product to help you buy the home, and the product to help you maintain the home. I like the maintain the home product better because that's something you would pay for every year. So Kelly, you bought a home. Do you have a home book? We don't.
Starting point is 00:49:07 And I have been desperate to get one. For example, we've got a refrigerator that needs a filter replaced. And I just don't want to have to Google it to find where to buy the right filter. And I wish I, you know, that information is in my home inspection. If I would have just uploaded that somewhere, it should tell me where to do it. and take my money. Interesting. So this is, I think, really interesting,
Starting point is 00:49:26 you know, for you to think about, Jared, on your journey, your AI can apply to both of these processes. We see a lot of people going after the home buying space and the speculators. That's, you know, if there's tools to be built, Zillow and Reddit really are going to help you with that. And we see very little,
Starting point is 00:49:50 And then for people who are in the speculation and Airbnb market, there's a lot of startups now emerging to help you make buying decisions there. But I see very few. In fact, I've seen none of the maintain your home. We did have an investment in a company. I think it was called Butter. And they were kind of trying to make a virtual real estate manager. So rich people have estate managers.
Starting point is 00:50:16 If they have multiple properties, they pay them whatever, 100,000 a year. year, $150,000 a year, if they're full-time, to just go between four or five estates and make sure everything's perfect, right, and maintained. But that's out of reach for most people. So they were trying to abstract that and make it a little bit different. But this idea, there's something there in the maintaining the home after you buy it. And like, that's really interesting. So congratulations on that. I wonder if the person's selling the home, if they had this book and they shared it with people, if that would help sell the home.
Starting point is 00:50:52 That's where we want to get to. Yeah, so there's, kind of an amputable record. I know now, like as I'm going to sell our property in San Francisco that we don't use anymore, that was our office previously,
Starting point is 00:51:06 I'm trying to put all that information in, and then I would like to just give the Google Drive or a notion or Coda instance and just say to the person, here is a Notion instance. Here's a Cota instance. And if you're buying it, here's all the information. Here's the security cameras.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Here's the, you know, the HVAC. Here's the washer dryer. Here's the every maintenance record. So you're onto something. And I really love your idea. And it's early. But I think you do have to make that key decision because startups can't be doing two or three different things.
Starting point is 00:51:42 I was talking about Airbnb last night. They have, they added a second business experiences, you know, and they've been at this for 10 years plus and they're global. They have two. You're going to start with two. I always like the idea of starting with one and nailing one. So either the buying or the maintaining, two different markets. I think maintaining is 100% of the market and buying is three million transactions that occur a year. I'd rather see you go for the 70 million people who own homes.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Is there 70 million households in the United States, I think? So I'd rather see you go after the 70 million. and then the three that turnover every year. Well done, Jared. Thank you. That's just one person's opinion. Okay, Kelly, one more. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:52:21 All right, Phoenix. You are our last to pitch today. Phoenix is with Fitted. And three to go. Okay. Hey, Jason. I'm Phoenix and I co-founded Fitted. We helped Gen Z discover buy and share outfits.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Fitted started when my friend Emma realized that a generation needs a social shopping platform where she wouldn't have to learn about the Roman Empire. Fashion needs a dedicated space to exist. So we built that space. Whether she's going to Pilates or grabbing drinks, Emma can share photos and details of her daily outfits, categorize them based on the day, occasion, and weather, and build a virtual lookbook for her and her friends.
Starting point is 00:52:59 With our library of outfits, our AI stylist Fiona will make sure Emma looks her best so she can feel her best. Our Alpha has attracted over 1,300 users who have shared thousands of outfits, And people are obsessed. With the 15% daily retention rate and 40% in weekly retention, the fits are fitting. We're a low-stakes space for creativity, culture, and commerce. We're making fit checks shoppable and will take about 20% of GMV. The fitzschecks also train Fiona Plus, which will be $4.99 a month.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Our competitors are social apps or shopping apps. Fitted is a social app with a native checkout experience, giving Gen Z the social validation around what to wear, and the one-click shopping experience we want. While a current growth has been word and mouth, our go-to-market strategy is building college ambassadors and onboarding creators with brands. Native checkout is coming soon. Next year, we'll add generative try-on
Starting point is 00:53:55 so you can see your favorite pants with your friend's shirt. And being Apple Native means ready to help you shop with your friends on Apple Vision Pro. With a 20% take rate, we need 100,000 users and 50 million GMV to hit 10 million in revenue. To hit 100 million, we need a million users and 500 million GMV. We've been bootstrapping and went full time end of September. We're excited to leave the Matrix and enter the arena. So download fit in the app store today, share a fit check with your friends, and say to check the fits.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Okay, well done. It's a consumer product. The behavioral loop here is I share my outfit and I get AI feedback on how to make it look better or I get feedback from my friends on am I fit or not? Both. It's kind of like hot or not, fit or not? So what's the primary behavioral loop here? What are most people doing?
Starting point is 00:54:52 Because it really has two different behaviors. Yeah. So as a slugging implies, you come for the fit check. It's a low-stakes space to share your outfit with your friends. Over time, as you get that feedback and build up that content library of outfits, Fiona will learn your preferences and then you'll be able to get that feedback from our AI stylists and your friends
Starting point is 00:55:15 as we build that fly wheel. Have you built the AI stylist yet or is that like kind of the ultimate dream and you're telling us the 2.0 product that's coming down the road? Yeah, Fiona's in the app right now. We just need to do some fine-tuning without LLMs to actually get it
Starting point is 00:55:29 to know your preferences better, which is part of the content flywheel. So you're actually doing a fit check with your friends and Fiona the AI stylist and so then your friends and is that feedback in one thread or is it two separate behaviors?
Starting point is 00:55:50 Yeah so you get the feedback in like a feed from your friends. You get to see your outfit as well as your friend's outfit and then we have a separate tab in our messages to where you can talk to Fiona ask her what your favorite, what your most liked outfit was, what you wore last week, what you wore
Starting point is 00:56:06 when it was rainy a couple days ago. So Fiona is an agent that sees all this stuff and then you can have a private conversation with her and say, hey, what should I wear tonight? I'm going on a date. What should I wear tonight? For lunch, I have a bit important business. I'm doing a job interview tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Fiona can look through theoretically your entire fit checks and as you put more fit checks in there, she says, hey, your friends love this for business and they responded, this was business stuff. So over five years of putting fit checks in, it might say, hey, you know, you look great in this blazer and jeans combo. Everybody said that looks great, business casual. You know, maybe think about that one.
Starting point is 00:56:51 That's the concept here. And what, fit check, what is the behavior? I like the fit check or do you prompt me to say, oh, you know, Kelly, I love your tie-dye shirt and whatever. and that's super cool and retro. And then she's like, oh, I love your plane polo shirt that looks really crisp and whatever.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Like, how do you structure or format the feedback from your friends on, are you fit or is it fit or not? Where it's just like either swipe left or right up or down. Yeah. What's the device? What's the behavioral device here? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:27 So right now you just go, you take your outfit picture, take your fit check. No, no, you keep saying, get your fit check. I'm asking you, what is the behavioral device there? Is it a like? Is it a heart? Is it prompted feedback?
Starting point is 00:57:43 Yeah. What does that mean? Because you're using a term that I've heard the term fit check, but I'm trying to get out is what is the behavioral loop? What do I do in the app? What is the action that I take? So I just described Kelly's tie-dye. Kelly puts the tie-dye shirt.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Now, what do I do as her friend? Yeah. Don't say fit check. What do I do? Is it a comment? is it a like? Is it a retweet? What is the device? Yeah, you can do all three. You can like Kelly's outfit. You can save it into your own lookbook that you've amassed from all your friends. And you can also type in like, hey, Kelly, I really like that shirt. So there's no new device here. You're just copying what is kind of the best practice on Twitter, let's say, or Facebook. Bookmark like comment. Interesting. I think that how is that going so far how many times do people how many fit checks are occurring a day and what's
Starting point is 00:58:41 the average response to those fit checks what's the engagement like yeah so right now we have about 1,300 people in the app 20% of people come on every day just to see the outfits I think of that number to get a couple of hundred people 200 people want to see the outfits and so So how many people share an outfit of the 1,000 users you have, 200 are active. So of the 200 active users every day, how many share an outfit? I believe that number is around like 10 to 20% of those 200 people. I'm following the standard like parade of principle, 28 years. So you have 30 people share an outfit a day.
Starting point is 00:59:23 And how much feedback to the each get, I guess? A good bit with their likes. So far we've had like a good network on trying to attack colleges. So it's just like there's small group of friends. A couple likes here and there. Do I see everybody's or do I just only, do I only share with my friends, my circle? Or does everybody get to see a main feed? There are two feeds.
Starting point is 00:59:49 So there's a feed with just your friends. And then there's a feed with everyone on the app. Is this the first social app you've built? technically not me and Emma built another app in college called Atlas which is like Gen Z Yelp unfortunately we had to shut down because of COVID
Starting point is 01:00:10 but it was a really good experience awesome so the reason I'm going into all these details is I'm trying to figure out if you actually understand social and if there's something unique here and you know you do understand social that's why I said hmm I wonder if they've done this before social apps are very unique they have there are certain devices that really work and it's you know very
Starting point is 01:00:33 particular which things drive engagement and which don't and then getting the flywheel started the cold start problem super important and so I think it's a very tactical important obsessive compulsive approach you need to have to actually get a community started it sounds like you've got a good start it sounds like you have you have a good plan to do it on campuses and to, you know, just get a group of people. And I wonder about the device. You know, fit check, great. I wonder if prompting people and people saying, you know, love it, like it, you
Starting point is 01:01:11 got to be careful because you don't want people to get smashed and, you know, destroyed over their outfit. But, you know, somebody being able to say like, mm, meh, you know, like there might be some clever ways to kind of prompt people where they don't have to type. a comment because typing a comment means I have to think it through. But if you had five vectors, cute, me, um, you know, try again. I'm not sure what it is. I keep working. You know, there might be some fun, clever ways to say, you know, uh, like, but don't love. Uh, and then you would prompt you if I kick like, like, but don't love, what would you improve? You know,
Starting point is 01:01:50 so like there might be ways to, you know, structure this to make it more interesting. Have you thought of like a new device other than bookmark like comment? Not yet, but that's really good feedback. We'll definitely take that back to the drawing board. Yeah. And then, I mean, giving people permission to be candid, you know, is another kind of interesting device. So like, you know, roast my outfit, be brutal, permission granted to be candid. Please be candid.
Starting point is 01:02:21 You know, and I think being a little cheeky could be. interesting, being a little, you know, more, having a little more fun in the app is what I would say. So like hot or not had a playfulness to it that, you know, made it super addicting. And then Tinder stole that and made it into a dating app. So here, I wonder if swiping left or right on it, love it, like it, you know, hate it or not for me. You know, there's something there that could make this even more fun. And then allowing people to upload other people's outfits and comment on them could also be a breakout for you. So if I take Jennifer Aniston's outfit that she wore on her date with, you know, some famous venture capital, as that was in the Daily Mall this week.
Starting point is 01:03:11 And, you know, you're like, hey, what do you think of this VC's outfit? What do you think of this person's outfit? Some famous person, then you don't have to worry about that cold start problem. You're putting in 10 outfits that you found on the internet that were iconic. You could take a presidential, you could take Vivek, you know, had some outfit he wore the other day. You know, brown shoes with a blue suit. I was talking to somebody on Twitter about brown shoes and blue suits and they didn't like that combination. Somebody posted a picture of Vivek.
Starting point is 01:03:42 Like, okay, yes. Let's talk about the presidential candidate. So I really, you know, I like where you're going with this. and I like the little AI sprinkle, but I think getting that device is kind of interesting and then having 20 people who really understand fashion and seating the app with them,
Starting point is 01:04:02 they don't necessarily be stylists, but they just need to be opinionated cheeky people. The Reddit team, they all created fake accounts. I'm not advising you to create fake accounts, but they created fake accounts to kind of get the cold start problem. There are ways to solve the cold start problem. So I'm just giving you a couple of them.
Starting point is 01:04:18 you know, putting in 20 outfits that you saw today or having, you know, these street team people, your ambassador program on the college campus, having somebody go around and ask people, can I take a picture of your outfit for my social app that, you know, gives feedback on it, and then they hand them a card with the QR code of the app. I love your outfit. Can I take a picture of it and you share it on fitted where people give feedback on great outfits and fit checks? That's kind of cool. So, you know, like, The street team method, and then this is where you know you have a great idea, is when investors or users have a lot of, I eat punchups for you. I have a lot of experience in consumer apps.
Starting point is 01:05:00 And, you know, there was confetti inside of Robin Hood when you made a trade. It's a little tiny thing. People just look up Robin Hood confetti. People got upset about it. Like, oh, my God, you're making it, you know, too much fun to invest. And I'm like, really? I mean, people give people high fives when they bet on blackjack. I don't understand why Robin Hood putting confetti is a problem.
Starting point is 01:05:22 But anyway, I think a little more playfulness, a little more fun, and then really, I love your street team idea. So there was a New York Times style section would do like fashion on the street. And there is the guy on TikTok who just runs up to people in nice cars and says like, what do you do for a living? Yeah, Daniel Mack. He became very famous. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:42 So there's an equivalent to that for you. And maybe it's a TikTok channel where it's like, the fitted fit check. And so I'm immediately going to the behavior in your app and then the go-to market strategy. I think having a TikTok where you just had somebody who was fearless going through cities and videotaping people and be like, I love your outfit. Can I take a, you know, who's it by? Or, you know, I love your outfit.
Starting point is 01:06:05 This isn't this. Like there's this guy who is a comedian who runs around on the street with celebrities and ask for feedback. I don't think I see that one. Yeah, he's like, oh, do you love? John Oliver and people are like, who? Oh, yeah. Here's John Oliver. He's like right over his shoulder.
Starting point is 01:06:23 He runs around, you know, like, ma'am, for a dollar. Tell me like, what's it like to be a New York elitist? And they're like, it's great. They just take the dollar. I forgot that guy's name, but he's hilarious. Anyway. No, that's really sharp feedback.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Because a lot of fashion and shopping for outfits is like reinforcing your personal and social identity. So building those like mechanization. like mechanisms and feedback loops within fitted to continue reinforcing like that self-expression has a really good notion right there. And in terms of like the TikTok marketing, Emma has like 12,000 followers in TikTok and now that we're going full time, she's going to be doing a lot of that content marketing or going around Manhattan and saying like, hey, like I like the outfit, where is it from? And you know, trying to get that social motion.
Starting point is 01:07:17 Billy on the street is the guy who does the street stuff. So I think I'm just a long way of saying, consumer is lightning in a bottle. And I don't know that you have lightning in a bottle yet, but I could see lightning, you know, going into your bottle here. So trying to give you permission to have fun with it,
Starting point is 01:07:34 be controversial. You know, Dave Port and I, everybody knows the rules, one bite of pizza. And then he takes, like, he proceeds to take six bites of pizza.
Starting point is 01:07:42 And like, when you first watch it, you're like, you just broke the first rule. Right. everybody knows the rule is one bite and it's like on dave wait a second dave you just took three or four bites wait how is that the rule that's the kind of playful marketing and then dave portnight just doing pizza reviews like people lose their mind yeah yeah but it's like i don't know what percentage
Starting point is 01:08:03 of barstool is people watching him interact on the street with that but man there is something about that man on the street is the term they use forgive the gender specificity of that but Man on the Street is a very popular device for hundreds of years, and you could really smash it. And there's always chaos, right? And New York City is the absolute best place to do that because chaos will ensue. I don't recommend doing it in San Francisco because, yeah, you're going to just get assaulted and robbed. They'll steal your camera. But great job.
Starting point is 01:08:38 All right. Well done. I love all four of these companies. Kelly, you do this to me every time. you can drop off the video and Kelly and I will have our little deliberation here. So let's talk about these four companies
Starting point is 01:08:51 and what the attributes are that investors will like about each one. We'll go through the four companies and maybe just give me your, I always like to challenge my team, your description of each company in one sentence. You see me do this all the time, Kelly. Now it's your turn.
Starting point is 01:09:08 Tell me the first company and your one sentence crisp description. Okay. Based on this discussion. Yeah. So Newcomer Games is a, let me see, a video game to learn and practice languages. Okay. It's dual lingo in video game format.
Starting point is 01:09:25 So looks like the person can execute. Looks like they have early product market fit. And there's definitely consumer demand. And there are equivalence of that business in the real world. Language learning has always been. a mid-sized business, it could easily get to tens of millions, not easily,
Starting point is 01:09:46 nothing's easy, but I could see it getting to millions and then tens of millions in revenue. And that for us as seed investors is enough to maybe want to make the bet. Second company. All right. So scrumly,
Starting point is 01:09:58 I would say, is a company that is removing the scrum master by using AI planning. Okay, AI scrum masters. Yeah. Replace your product manager with AI. This makes a lot of sense to me.
Starting point is 01:10:12 you know, people are restrained in terms of costs. Certain positions are going to just go away in the future. Is the product manager scrub master actual job function going to go away? Will that be like an operator, a telephone operator and we just won't exist or receptionist or cashiers, which are quickly going away? The idea of like a cashier at McDonald's is going to be like, what? Why would I talk to the cashier? That's annoying. It's going to go to the kiosk.
Starting point is 01:10:38 So I like the idea. I believe the idea. and a really good team. So, you know, the team there is, I think, really compelling to me, whereas their product progress is very early. So, you know, you see different things early on. For the first company, dualingo for games, dualingo in games. They seem to have a lot of product progress.
Starting point is 01:11:03 And then in this one, we see a lot of team progress, but the product's a little bit further behind, just how great the team is. So that's good, you know, like both of those. Next one. All right. Next is Home Score. And I would actually say that they help you manage your home. Yeah. Great. See, now you're saying it's simpler than the founder. It's very easy for you to describe a founder's company. It's easier for you to do it than the company. And it's easiest for the customer to do it. So when you build a company, you should just say to your customers, what is Founding University? And they say, oh, it's a course on how to start a company. Like, we would be like, oh, it's a 12 week. We'd be describing. all this stuff, and then we give 25K, and they'll be like, it's a, it's a, they teach you how to start a company.
Starting point is 01:11:46 So like our tagline for founding a version should be, we'll teach you how to start a company. The end, like your customers describe your product better than you and your investor, if they're, you know, good at what they do, should be able to describe your business better than a founder. And for founders, that's super humbling. I always like, ask your customers to describe your company. Right, because they always focus on the benefit that they get, not how the sausage is made. Correct. Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:12 And the last one. Our last one here is Fitted, which is a social app to share your outfits and make sure you're not going to look silly. Okay. Great. And so, you know, we look at each of these and we have to ask ourselves, is it a great team? All four cases, these look like really great teams. Is it a real problem in the world? All four are real problems.
Starting point is 01:12:36 Managing your home, making sure you look good in your clothes, you know, getting that fit check, looking good because we see analogies to both of those things in the real world. People hire language coaches. They used to do Lingo. They used to do Rosetta Stone. People hire stylists. People hire house managers or estate managers to manage their homes. And people hire PMs and Scrum Masters. So all that exists in the world. So we know there's a market for it. And we know that there's always like the question then becomes, are these better solutions? Are these good teams? So in all four, we have checked all those boxes. You know, this is the cream of the crop
Starting point is 01:13:13 that you're presenting to me. So for an early stage bet of 25K, all four of these qualify. So then, you know, the question then becomes, are they venture-scale businesses? And I believe all of them, you know, can get to millions of dollars in revenue.
Starting point is 01:13:30 And so when I feel they can get to millions and dollars in revenue, I actually don't worry too much about the hundred million because founders who can get to millions in revenue, they typically get a bit frisky and frustrated that they're not at tens of millions, and then they add to their product. So a lot of VCs get obsessive, Kelly, about, oh, you know, is this venture scale? I don't know if it's venture scale.
Starting point is 01:13:50 When you're early, early, early, early stage like we are, pre-incorporation of the company and at the incorporation, you know, years zero, one, two, and three, we get in at such a modest valuation, typically low millions of dollars like Y Combinator and Arc and, you know, other, you know, accelerators do, we can be a bit more frisky. A $50 million or $150 million outcome for us could be a great investment. So I like all four. I think all four will get to millions, could get to millions of millions of millions in revenue. Now, do they get to billions like Uber or tens of billions like Uber? We'll see. You know, that's really hard to do. That's lightning in a bottle for
Starting point is 01:14:29 sure. But I like all four. And so if you ask me, I would probably invest in all four, which one was your favorite? Which one do you think we'll get the biggest return for our LPs? That's always the question. We should ask ourselves, what's going to get the biggest return for our LPs because we work for them too? Absolutely. I'm a little torn on this one. I would say, I either. Well, take it through a thought process. Yeah. Absolutely. So with Scrumley, I love it because it's a problem that companies are facing right now. And I see this. I was actually certified as a Scrum Master. And so a lot of my Scrum friends are seeing, where they used to manage two to three teams, now they have six or eight and they are struggling.
Starting point is 01:15:03 And they might not exist at all in that role. It's a very expensive role. So I think that the fact that they're building on top of the existing tools and then helping to eliminate the human work is, you know, a great start to planning a really good business that can grow and scale in this exact moment. I really also like newcomer games. And I don't have as much personal experience on the consumer side with my own startup and things. but I really love that you can start with this niche that are obsessed with these games and the way they look and it's really nostalgic for folks our age, I think. You know, kind of seeing that that 2D version and you are building a skill set for them and people are happy to pay for that type of a tool. So I think there's really something there as well.
Starting point is 01:15:45 Okay. I, you know, have, I love consumer products. I think fitted is, you know, got the chance to be Pinterest or Instagram like. could see that, you know, being lightning in a bottle, it might have the lowest percentage chance of the other companies, but it could have a very big outcome chance. And, you know, Scrum AI makes total sense to me. The home book makes total sense to me. And, of course, the language makes total sense to me.
Starting point is 01:16:15 So I think I'll just invest in all four. So once again, you've presented me with four entrees, and I just ordered all four of them. So, hey, here we go. Just give each one 25K. Let's see if we can help them raise their next round, or hopefully, you know, maybe if there's an accelerator watching who wants to join me and Kelly in growing these companies, we like to work with other seed funds. We'd like to work with other accelerators. We're not sharp elbowed. I encourage other people who are sharp elbowed in the ecosystem to maybe be more collaborative with other people.
Starting point is 01:16:49 And that's coming from me. I'm a lunatic. And I'm telling everybody, you know, these startups, need a lot of help. And so, you know, if they can go to one or two accelerators or go to founding university and then an accelerator or seed fund wants to jump in and give them a 250k check, all good. You know, we'll introduce you to any of our companies. We want to see more people who have great intention on the cap table. Would love to see one of these companies go to tech stars. One of them go to Neo. One of them go to Y Combinator. One of them go to launch.
Starting point is 01:17:19 That would be an amazing outcome for us if, you know, they went to all different places and got all kinds of different help. And if there's a seed fund out there that likes to put 100K or 250K into a company, Kelly at launch.co, Jason at launch.com, you can email us for an intro,
Starting point is 01:17:34 or you can reach out to the founders directly. If you'd like to come to Founder University, founder. That university, apply. Apply, apply, apply. And keep applying. And then we email that list
Starting point is 01:17:45 content from time to time and we email that list who we're investing in. So if you go to founder. dot university, can they join our mailing list there? as well. Is the substack listed there? I wonder if we did that yet. I know we have a Founder University substack and we have a Founder University Twitter X handle. Let's put into our show notes,
Starting point is 01:18:05 all of this and let's just make sure Founder. Dot University has a sign up for the substack. It does. It does. Okay. So go to Founder. Dot University. There's a dot university domain. Apply to the program, but also from there, sign up for all of our different social channels, but most of all, sign up for the email because we're going to start sending content there. All right. It's been another great episode, Kelly. A wonderful job. You impression doing a great job on Founder University. 2,000 applicants, 450 people attended 220 teams. I think 200, you know, 250 teams each time is the right number, which means 10,000 applications a year, resulting in 1,000 people coming to the program a year. And we invest in, let's say, out of the gate during the program, 10% of those, 100 investments a year, 2.5 million a year. in those 25K checks and some number of them. So that's kind of the marching orders over the next three years. Let's invest 300 times 25K checks, $7.5 million,
Starting point is 01:19:02 and see if we can be the first check into a lot of companies. And hey, if we do 300 of those and we hit one unicorn, but one, it will have been a 3x fund. So just so you are thinking the right way, 300 companies and then 2.5% ownership, we get cut in half along the way, but we might keep our percentage because we like to keep investing.
Starting point is 01:19:23 So let's, you know, just assume we own, I don't know, 1.5%. If one out of 300 become a unicorn and our 1.5% becomes worth, let's say it's a $2 billion company, $30 million, $30 million, $7.5 invested $30 million. That's a 4x fund. A 4x fund means we have returned four times the capital. That would put us in the top quartile, top 10% of venture funds in the world. we need but one out of 300 to become a unicorn at a founder university investments over the next three years. It's a ton of work.
Starting point is 01:20:00 I thank you for doing it. The founders thank you for doing it. But you need to start thinking like I do about the LP side of the business. And then we have to prove this model works. We're doing something new. Nobody's ever done this 25K check at scale. It is a new product in venture capital. It's part of the launch fund for.
Starting point is 01:20:16 You can read about launch fund for launch.com slash memo. this is a new thing that we're doing that nobody's ever done before. And I think it's going to become, you know, like a really great. I'm sure a lot of people will copy it, which is fine with me. But I think this Founder University program is really going to help a lot of founders,
Starting point is 01:20:33 and that's what it's all about. Okay. Kelly, great job. Thank you so much, Jason. So glad to be here. And please apply to Founder You. We would love to have you all in our next cohort. Yeah, and do it with two of your friends. Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:44 And if you're an idea person, go learn a skill, please. I don't know how many times I've got to tell you this, but be good at something. Have something to add to the table. Be useful in the world. Have a skill. And you don't need to be like the 10x developer
Starting point is 01:20:57 or like the master designer. Just at least have the ability to design something. Have the ability to write some code. Have the ability to architect a product or do growth, etc. So we'll see you all next time on this week, star, star, bye-bye.

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