Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Arian Foster Talks Running Backs, Playing with Matt Acting, Microdosing and Improper Benefits

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Four-time Pro Bowler and host of the Microdosing podcast with Barstool Arian Foster joins the show to talk with his old teammate Matt and Jerry. Arian and Matt open the convo reminiscing about their days as Houston Texans teammates and their Super Bowl chances that season. Then the former NFL rushing leader spends some time nerding out over the running back position, including the intricacies of the schemes he ran in as a pro, and picks his three favorite backs of all time. Then, Arian talks about coaching little league football, acting with Chadwich Boseman in Draft Day and why he never tried to act full time. Finally, Arian asks Matt if he made any extra money at USC and how NIL has changed the dynamic of college football and more.   Matt and Jerry also take victory laps for USC and the Giants big wins before they’re joined by Annie Agar to talk about their current NFL MVP favorites and another round of Twisted Tea Trivia.    New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s Wake up with Wendy’s breakfast https://www.wendys.com/breakfast  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  DoorDash Win weekly with DoorDash Streaks! Order every Saturday, save up to $250 during College Football Season. Terms Apply.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. was it enjoyable when you're sitting there watching guys just like bomb a karaoke song you that bored at camp yeah you definitely that board at camp i had to sing nick lachay's song because everyone

made fun of me that we were friends and i had to sing paris hilton song for obvious reasons you had to do two songs two songs bro in Arizona why did you have to do the paris hilton one i don't know good follow-up erian why matt you could google that i don't know we hung out a little bit back in the day oh you used to i didn't know that i wasn't familiar with the game my baby Welcome in everybody It's throwbacks show Don't forget to follow us on all social media platforms At Throwbacks Show

On YouTube Throwback Show Give us that subscribe I know sometimes you guys don't want to hit the subscribe button smash. Yes, let's go give us a follow, like, subscribe. Good one for you. Tell us what you want us to talk about, you know? Well, I want to point out in a few minutes, we got the great Aryan Foster joining us and Annie Agar later in the show doing some more twisted tea trivia. But I would be at fault not to say that I think we had a big week, Matt, you and I, with our, with two things

very near and dear to our heart as he puts on, what kind of red is that considered? That's a crimson? What kind of red is that? Still fits. Was that game worn or no? It's a little tight. It's a little tight. You didn't put pads under there. That's not a game. That's not game worn, right?

Well, the only reason why I'm putting this jersey on, because this will be the jersey that I believe Dave Portnoy will wear this weekend on Big Noon kickoff since USC kicked his team's ass and he was talking shit all week, really for three weeks now. we'll see we'll see there's a little bit of a technicality in this bet we'll see what happens but this is going to be the jersey uh it will fit him like a dress perfectly since he has his tail between his legs already um but yeah man we should talk to a arian about because he's a barstool guy arian we should yes i'm curious of what arian thinks about it um also this you know how i feel about wearing jerseys bro this does not i don't feel comfortable

wearing this jersey that's your own that's your own that's different this is my own also it's USC Notre Dame week. Huge rivalry. And I'm just going to, look, this game, they've dominated this game in this series, really the last, I think six of the last seven games. USC hasn't beat Notre Dame since 2011 at Notre Dame. I think there's going to be some rain in this game.

It's a massive week. We've talked about the history on the show. We had Brady Quinn, my boy, on last year talking about this game. I'm excited for it for this reason. It's a elimination game for both teams. It's a playoff elimination game. game. Notre Dame has two losses. They just can't lose

another one the rest of the year. U.S.C. could lose this and still make a run and win out, but that schedule is still really difficult. So a lot at stake, which makes this game even better, man. Yeah, you win this game, Matt. Your Trojans win this game pretty much end Notre Dame's season

and then you were in a pole position for a playoff spot as long as nothing. Yeah, I mean, that's why winning that Illinois game would have been huge going into this game undefeated because 10 and 2 USC is probably in the playoff. I just don't think they can lose it.

I don't think they can beat Oregon on the road. I don't know Nebraska on the road. So, but it's a big one, man. I will be locked in. You know how you're locked in for your Giants? We're finally going to get a locked in, Matt. All right. I'm going to be locked in on the couch.

I'm going to have a, I'm going to be a little sauced up. I'm already going to tell I get home early from this weekend from Big Noon. I'm going to have a couple, you know, a couple beverages and probably drink my sorrows away. when it's all said and done. Real quick, before I get to the thing that's close to my heart, you know these two teams very well. What do you think needs to happen

to win this one in Nordert, in South Bad? What do you think needs to happen? They have to play how they played against Michigan, and that was winning the line of scrimmage, right? That was like a game that it started to change a little bit of the perception of USC, like, hey, you can do this now. You can win these types of games,

or you can be physical. The problem with Notre Dame is, and they're a really good team, is they're just very balanced. Michigan, take away the run, force them to throw because they couldn't throw the ball. Notre Dame take away the run. CJ cars is a stud. Like they're this crazy stat in their last four games of win streak, they're over 300 yards passing over 200 yards rushing. They're just, they're on it, they're on a tear. That's the problem. So defense is going to have to play out of their mind. They're going to have to create turnovers. They're going to have,

you know, like football's always two or three plays a game in particular on defense that can just change it. They got to make those plays. However, that happens. And if not, I mean, the spread is nine and a half, almost double digits. Like, there's a reason. Well, you've got to imagine, too, coaching, like, they understand the moment of the desperation of, like, you lose this game, fellas. Yeah, this is a big, oh, they're just playing for your, you know,

it'll be over. I mean, the story, though, the story is in football, an American football in the United States of America are the New York football giants. Makes me so uncomfortable, but also so happy. How do you not love that dynamic duo of Jackson Dart? and Cam motherfucking scataboo.

So a couple of things, Matt. You and I were texting Thursday to take it off too. So you keep talking. We were texting about the bets, right? I think the Eagles were laying seven and a half. The Giants haven't beat an NFC East team in like 10 games, let alone, and we'll talk about the prime time thing.

So I liked the Giants to cover. They really got up for this game. They're actually playing good at home. I'm not getting ahead of myself. Like, I'm not thinking playoffs. Like everybody. Yeah, I'm not saying, oh, we're a playoff team. Maybe they sneak in.

I doubt it. I'm not saying, oh, it's team's going to win a super. But all I'm saying is, we got our guy. Yeah. We got the guy. Now, does he stay healthy? I hope. I hope they don't, like Brian Dable doesn't give him a QB draw as soon as he leaves the blue tent.

But they ran the ball. The minute he comes out of the blue tent. The next play was like a QB draw. Like, we don't know if he was, I mean, he could, that could have been like a leg. That could have been anything. He probably just got a little dinged up and just go. check it out. He's got to stay healthy. He's got to learn, he's got to learn how to play that position, but also utilize his strengths. He's not built like Josh Allen. He's,

Jackson's a big kid, but he's not that. He's not built like Josh Allen. He's not as, not as like slippery as Lamar Jackson, but he's a runner. And that's one of his strengths. They have to figure out how. And that takes time. You learn how to take hits. You learn how to duck hits. You learn how to get out. But, I mean, he's, he's injected a crazy energy into that team and that city. We have hope. You have hope. And, and, Caddaboo, I don't know how long scataboo's going to play football for because he's just, he's on a different level. But he's given, I mean, equally to the quarterback.

Who would ever thought Cam Scatter, the running back, fourth round pick would give the same amount of juice and injection. And just like, it's just fun. Like, it's football is fun to watch. The Giants are fun to watch. And now, win or lose, everybody's going to be tuned in to watch them play because of those two guys. And also, we've talked about this, man. Like, like, you still got a lot of, you still got guys that are paid paid on that team. Like, you still have NFL caliber guys.

They've proven that they can compete with the Eagles. They've proven they can compete with these teams. So, again, is it a playoff team? Probably not. But at the end of the day, you went a couple more. You start to hover around 500. Like, this season is bananas. Like, who's the best team in the NFL?

We don't know. I mean, the Giants, like, they're fun, man. They're fun. Well, I'll wrap it up with this. Okay. Joe Shane absolutely hit on the draft. You and I were at the draft. draft, okay? And we, I love the dart pick. I mean,

think about the draft. Abdul Carter, Jackson Dart, Cam Scataboo, and R.D. Tackle, Adon, I'm slipping on it. Like, that's potentially a franchise altering draft. And you still may get a good pick next year, right? Because the Giants still may go six and 11. We still might have a top 10 pick. And, you know, Joe Shane brought Brian Burns over, who's leading the league, I think, in Sacks. The Giants' Lines showing itself. Burns and Abdul Carter on the same side a couple times in that game.

It's like, yeah. You got a lot to build around, dude. Like you have to pick one guy. You're going to try to stop, and then that other guy is going to come around. So to me, there's hope. And I'll end with this. The reason why giant fans are losing their mind, obviously we have a quarter. They haven't won.

Daniel Jones, God bless him. Awesome year. And this stat is not on him. One in 15 in prime time games. That is Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night. We've won one time before last. Thursday in like six years. Do you know how fun it is to win at night? You've won a lot of games in your career. Guess who's got the best record in the NFL? Danny Jones. Danny Jones.

So I'm containing myself and not making any bold predictions, but the vibes, they are high. They are high. And let's get to someone else who has some high vibes. Take it away, Matt. All right. Today, our guest, my guy, former all pro. NFL rushing leader four-time Pro Bowl or the host of the microdosing podcast of Barstool. The New York Times called his album, Flamingo and Coval

dazzling breathtaking. I did not know this about you, by the way. I didn't know that is. Thought-provoking, original, and better than Jay Cole's KOD, an NIL pioneer who's the only athlete to ever take money in college. The star

of Draft Day. He's the man who unveiled the NFL script to the world and most importantly God, he's my former teammate. We welcome on, Arian Foster. What up, my guy? What's up? My dog, what's going on, baby? I don't know half of that shit you said.

Shout out of that shit you said. Shout out. New York Times. I was like, this fool had a like, I didn't even realize you were just this music mogul, dude. I do my thing, you know, I have had passions outside of the grid iron. I literally texted. I texted Orlovsky this week. I said,

what do you remember about erring he's coming on the pot and he goes man ask him about how he used to rap in front of the team meetings that's what he said he's exaggerating about how many times i did it but i did do a um you know how you have to do rookie shows yes so i had to do rookie show and i don't i mean i knew dudes was up there dancing is i didn't it's not my vice so like i just wrote a verse about the the the scheme the coaches the players and it was it was a hit it was pretty dope can i ask you guys something then while we're at before we move to other things. I used to love watching the rookie show on like hard knocks and stuff, but at some point

it just became very uncomfortable because there was so many young rookies getting up there that had no other talent other than football. At least Arian has talent. Like, was it enjoyable when you're sitting there watching guys just like bomb a karaoke song or like do some weird dance? Is that really entertaining? Are you that bored at camp? It's kind of like a, yeah, you definitely have been.

Yeah. And I don't know how it is nowadays. Everything's kind of different now. But when we was there, yeah, it gets boring. There's nothing to do. And it's entertaining seeing guys struggle up there. Yeah, it gets, it's kind of, it's like a ride of passage, too, you know? Like, everybody has to do it.

I think we used to throw, like, we used to throw water, wotted up paper balls that I think that Houston is what we used to do. Just get up, boo, get off the fucking stage, if you were shitty. I had to sing, uh, I had to sing Nick Lechay's song because everyone made fun of me that we were friends. And I had to sing Paris Hilton song, you know. Yeah, to do two songs. songs? For obvious reasons, yeah. Two songs, bro, in Arizona. They got me good. Why'd you have to do the Paris Hilton one? I don't know. A good follow-up, Aryan. Why, Matt? You could Google that. I don't know. We hung out a little bit back in the day. Oh, you used to, I didn't know that. I wasn't

familiar with the game. Okay. So, that U.S. U.S.C. Trojan life was different, man. Damn. I mean, we did. We had a good run, bro. Absolutely. Marion, I want to see if you're familiar with this and test your memory real quick, okay? November 27th, 2011. Texans defeat the Jaguars. 2013.

Yeah. Do you remember who your starting quarterback was? It was Matt Lion, and he got hurt. Man, satisfied. It was a collarbone? I think he broke your collarbone. Yeah. 10 for 13, 57 yards, and a TD.

Now, I asked Matt, because I looked up your numbers, and you had seven catches. for 24 yards. I was like, Matt, were you checking it down? Like, no, no,

that was TJ Yates. I only played a half. I barely played a half. Yep. Yep. That year, I tell people all the time, if we have a healthy,

no disrespect to T.J. But he was a rookie quarterback. If Matt, if either of our mats stayed healthy, I think we make a serious run at the Super Bowl for real. Because we were so stacked on all,

both sides of the ball. top, top three offense, very, very good defense. I think Mario Williams got hurt that year, too. That was, to me, was my best, you know, a chance at winning the Super Bowl was that year. And then I'm going to hurt. So I blame you, honestly. You could, it was literally the, I would say, because my career, that, I was telling Jared, I said it was the most ready.

I felt my rookie year, I played well, and then, you know, Arizona happened. And then I go to Houston. And, you know, Kubeak was amazing, man. He took care of us. That system was so great for quarterbacks. Like, Shanahan's still running it now, and it just fit my style. And it was, I was telling him, I was like, dude, it's the best I ever felt in the league where I was, like, ready to go. I was like, man, this team is great.

I got, obviously, Aaron, you got these receivers. Our D was nasty. And I'm like, I'm going to get, like, this is my chance to get a big deal. Like, I was locked in. And then, dude, I freaking throwing a screen. I don't even remember. It was a screen to you. Yeah.

And I threw it away. and I got just I got like you know like wrapped up and landed and broke it right before it was the saddest day one of the saddest days of my life dude honestly you don't you don't get hurt in today's NFL on that plane I know right not allowed they'll ease up for you they were they eased up on you it wasn't yeah I was so I was so mad but I was time I'm like that was the most fun Houston was the most fun I've ever had in football by far talk about Houston a lot I area I'm a big uh well I was a big fantasy football guy not as much anymore because

I just can't take the injuries but I was in on you I want to say before anyone I caught you right around now I'm looking because I had it looked up okay all I know is I started you your rookie year in a Super Bowl

which was week fit my Super Bowl week 15 against them because the previous week you kind of went off and if you're starting to get the ball a little more and then I start you in a Super Bowl

and they give Ryan Motes like 18 carries man you only got the ball two you had two carries in that game I think it was St. Louis against St. Louis. Against St. Louis. And you won the game and you only, I was like, I thought for sure my guy was going to go off. No, the reason why

is because I was a rookie. I remember this shit. I was a rookie. And they pulled me up from the practice squad. And they were like, right, because you know, I was getting busy on practice squad. And they pulled me up. And the dude made just an amazing play. I catch the balls on a little check. I catch the ball.

I turn, I tuck it. It's high and tight. And the dude made just a textbook. He punched the ball out. And it was his textbook. It was a textbook, man. So I was like, there was nothing I could. It was a great play, but he gets paid too, you know. And so I got to get off the field. They're like, you know, leave him out.

He's not, he's not coming back here. And so that week, though, my coach comes to me, goes, hey, you got one more shot. This is it. He's like, if you put the wall ground, you don't show up. He said, we're going to let you go. I was like, all right. So the next week, we play Miami. I got off.

And then the next week, I got off again. There go, Jerry, for about 15 years. You've been waiting to hear the answer why they have. Not my answer. That cost me a fantasy chip. Sorry, man. Don't you love when fantasy football dudes were like, Aaron!

That must, I mean, that must be the weirdest thing when fans are talking about. I used to hate it. Now it's different because it's gambling. Yeah, do you hate it?

No, I used to hate it, but I didn't have a lot of foresight when I was younger. When I was younger, it was all about the humanity of it. Like, people didn't see the humanity of you. Yeah.

And I used to hate that part of it. But as I got a little older, I understood, like, market people enjoy it 80-year-old grandmas come up to you say you were on my fantasy team young kids come up to you say and so like they develop an appreciation for you whereas if you're not in their market they're not going to watch you so they would have never even known who you were but they could appreciate you know your production on the field from in in a different way so

I ended up appreciating it towards the end of my career what do you what do you miss most about football uh it's just the fellows you know what I'm saying this the the locker room joking anytime I get up with guys it's like this remember I saw you yeah it's like when I remember when I saw you randomly as shit I seen you I was doing press run for draft day

and I bra I was like what the fuck are you doing here and you was interviewing me and it was just like you light up you light up when you see when you guys that used to bleed and sweat with and grind with it is just like that that never goes away it never goes anywhere dude did you play you

you didn't play Bure with us you were never you, you, remember we used to play fucking I play, but y'all, y'all used to do a lot. We were more of a guy. We would play, we would be, I swear to God, we would be taking shits in the bathroom

dropping cards, dropping cards on the ground, playing boo-ray. We were so, me, Shab, Dan, who else was in that? Myers, all those guys. See, when you got there, man, I hadn't got no money yet. So, I will, I was not going to get paid after.

I ended up, yeah, I ended up doing One of the fucking safety still owes me like three grand, dude. I, he didn't have, I was pissed. I couldn't. And then I got cut. Yo, y'all's, y'all's games, I used to go back there in the planes. Them games used to get up to like, them pots used to be. I'm an undrafted free agent.

I'm like, but I'm not fucking with that. No. Dude, the worst, the best one was, I'll never forget. And Shob was the worst because Shobby was paid. Shobby would bring like 10 stacks, like on the plane, just cash, boom, at least. And like, you know, Dre would play. and obviously Dre had his money and all these guys and it would be me DA Dave Anderson

who was you know making probably league minimum and we would play and one time DA got booed for like 14 grand or 15 grand and like he stayed in the game because he got it he got fucked and I sort of got it

we were like he started almost crying dude and I was like we actually fell bad we were like I think we made him pay like $3,000 but it was like I was like bro you can't play this game anymore man Like, it was, it was rough. That's why I don't, I never did it. You know what's always interesting to me?

I talked to Matt about this too when, you know, players who played the game, their whole lives, retire. Like, how much actual football do you still watch, you know? I mean, I'm sure you watch, but like, or have you even been to a game? Like, what's the last, have you been to a football game since you retired? There was a good, I say, seven, eight-year stretch where I just never really watched any football. I get it. Because, I mean, watching it as an ex-employee,

it's almost, it's like work almost. And then it's not, it wasn't enjoyable for me because how we watch the game is not how the normal person watches the game. We're breaking down the game. Why would he, what coverage of the end? Why would he blitzed there? What are you doing? His third and six, you got to do.

through the and that's stressful it's work yeah it's it's work and I and it wasn't until I kind of decompressed after after the career and I'm starting to enjoy the game again from a fans perspective um it's it's it's getting more enjoyable this year I decided to um to coach a little league team and that's fun for me kind of getting back to the basics and and where it started um but also kind of frustrating too because I'm like I'm like no you got to yeah I was like no you got to you got scrape up to the linebacker. They're like, what? We can't even go on two. I'm asking them to do double blocks. It's just, it's frustrating for that, but it's also that's the pure part of the game where they're doing it just because they want to, you know, get out and have fun

and yada yada. But, you know, we're doing well. But from my perspective, football is always going to be like, it was like a refuge for me. And so I'm glad I'm getting to the point now where I could watch and enjoy the game just to enjoy it. I feel like, too, it's like, I was telling Jerry. I've probably been to three games since I retired in like 13. And for the same reason, I just, I just, one, probably part of me, too, it's like, what could have been? Like, damn it, like I should have been better. I could have done this. I could have done that. You know, there's always some regret. And I'm happy, you know, obviously. But I think, too, as our kids get older is now what I'm starting to see, like, my boys are into it. And I'm like, all right,

I'm starting to become a fan. You know some of the guy. Plus, too, like, all our boys are damn near, like, retired. Like, I don't really have any friends. Like, I have guys, but like, Aaron Roger's like the last Mohican. I mean, I'm older than you, Aaron, but like, he's like the last dude, like, to keep playing, like, Flacco as well. But, yeah, it is, it is interesting. What do, what do you, I mean, coaching, like, so have you seen Greg Olsen and Luke

Keakley in the way they coach their kids teams? I have it. What was? Oh my God, bro. These guys, these guys are intense. You got to look it up. It's freaking, see, I, they'd be yelling and shit. Well, but, but they teach it. But they teach it the way that you probably would want your kid to be taught because they know what they're talking about. See, I come on a different approach. My approach is how I wanted to be coached, right?

I wanted somebody to care. I wanted somebody to teach me that was knowledgeable, but cut all that military bullshit out because I hated that shit. Because I used to, I remember the first time I get to college, they, they, because like, high school, especially high school in California was different, right? school football in California was like from where we was at we would talk back to the coaches but it was like a mutual respect it was like I ain't do like it was just it was just it wasn't this down south like yes sir no sir thing it just wasn't a thing and so when I first

get to college we out on the field and he's like motherfucker what do you do to do I looked at I'm like bro what I was like why are you talking to me like I was like genuinely confused like what is are you crazy though and then I go up to my from like dog if you need me to do something just tell me like you don't have to yell at me like why are you talking to me like that you can't take tough coach I'm like I can take whatever you know and give me but there's literally no point in yelling at me like that you wouldn't do that if we were just sitting at a bar talking you wouldn't just start motherfucking me why do you feel like it's okay between these lines that make no sense just tell me what you want me to do though I don't miss a lot of

assignments though just tell me what you mean I hate I hated that so with my kids so I got a kid I got a young kid right now who's the backup running back but he plays a lot because our starter and running back is also the Mike lineback and so he plays a lot And he's really struggling with holding on the ball. He's had, like, five fumbles this year. And as an ex-runterback, I could relate to that. And so everybody's on his head, like, get him out of, get him, right. And so I pull him to the side.

I'm like, listen, man. Like, you know, I'm just talking to him like a young boy. Like, he needs somebody to believe in him. He don't need a drill sergeant. And this is youth football. Like, he's going to remember this for a long time about how we react to his mistakes. And I'm trying to reiterate that with the coaches I'm coaching with. It's like, like, yo, they're 12.

They're 11. They're gonna fuck up. You want them to fuck up or else it would be weird if they didn't fuck up. It's about us coaching those mistakes. Like, and granted, like, I'm not going to pushover. But at the end of the day, I would rather have them learned

than to be great soldiers, you know what I mean? How hard is it for you? Because I deal with this with my oldest who's going to play college ball next year a little bit. And he's also, like, he's a grown man. He's almost 19. So, like, I'm speaking to him differently than I was at probably 12.

Is it hard for you at all to separate? separate like Arian Foster the football player and what you know and what you went through when you speak to him or speak to other kids from being a dad? I try to keep that in mind because this is somebody's son, right? But at the same time, you know, I do have kids around that age. So I got a 12-year-old and an 11-year-old or you can just turn 11. And so I understand what they need at that age. And there's sometimes they'll cry to try to get out of shit, right?

And they'll whine or that complain, you know what I'm saying? They'll pout, stuff like that. And so I talked to him like, I would talk to my son at that. Like, there was this one kid who hurt his leg, right? He's faking the injury because he's tired. I see, I see this. So he's on the ground, he's crying, he's rolling back and forth. I was like, so first I assess it to make sure nothing's wrong.

And then I think some kid, like, kicked him in the leg or something like that. And he's crying like, you want the good news or the bad news? I got some news for you, though. He's like, he said, give me the good news. I said, give me the good news is it's not broke. He's okay. me the band. I was like, you're looking real soft right now. You need to get that dog. Right. It's like, you know what you're doing. Yeah, and then he laughs and he gets up because

it's like, you know, sometimes, yeah, sometimes they need a little kicking ass, you know what I'm saying? And you got to find that balance. That's the hard part of my coach is you got to find that balance. But the good thing is like, you know, I have kids. I understand how to talk to my kids. But also there's a fine line between like going too hard. But like, like, so last game, right? We got like three of our best players that are out, right? And this game is about, what is you say, Matt, the Jimmy's and Joe. not the exes and oh right and so we just didn't have a you know saying some kids are not going to be professional athletes and that's okay um so but i saw a supplement them that like they

they almost quit at the end of the game and that shit pissed me off and so at the end of the game i told them i was like listen i'm the coolest coach you ever going to see i said and i start cussing i was like i was like but that shit there i'm not going to tolerate i was like y'all got a fight i say you represent the names on the back of your jerseys the your peers that you banged away i said but you are not going to sit here and classed this game changed my life. I just don't be damn if I'm going to let y'all come out here and disrespect it. Y'all can't do that. And so like just talking to him like that where where you give them a sense of like, yo, this shit means something to some people. It might, you don't have to mean

something. While you hear, you're going to give me what you got. I'm curious because, you know, you to me were sort of an end of a generation where still, I mean, I look at your carries, a lot of 300 plus carry seasons, like the MVP kind of running back. And then it sort of went away. And I guess when you do watch now, what do you make? of the running back situation today because the way I sort of look at it, I feel like we had these like three back situations going on now for a while. But if you look at the playoffs last year, it's Sequin, it's Jemir Gibbs, it's Kairn, it's a lot of, you know, top tier run. Like, yes, there's third downbacks, but it wasn't like the running back by committee thing. And I'm

wondering you were one of the last like 350 carry running backs, what you make when you do watch that position today. Um, I think, I think football has done a, great job at marketing this is a passing league they do a good job and and it and it is a passing league right but i think when it comes down to what we call cold weather football and and when it when it matters it will always come down to who runs the ball the best and who plays defense it always comes down to that you'll hear coaches harp on that all day long and so like passing will always sell the tickets and it's it's very it's all good in it but it's always about what's going on in trenches and and and i think people

that don't really know the game, view it like that. And so the running backs age now or whatever case that be, I just never have seen the game like that. If you look at Peyton Man in Super Bowls, if you look at Tom Brady's Super Bowls, if you look at Aaron Rogers' Super Bowls, they got somebody tooting the rock in the cold weather in the late December games on in the January.

It's like that every year. I would like you to explain to our listeners in the best you can because I was very much, and I'm not saying this is what you, were by any means. But I was very, I very much fit in the system of, um, what we did in Houston, right? The Shanahan, the, like, West Coast was USC. That's, that's where I thrived. You know, I wasn't throwing the ball deep, all these things. You were an absolute perfect fit in that system, the stretch zone and all that, like, just like Terrell Davis was with Elway in,

Denver. How, how would you explain that to just the average view of what makes that? Maybe, maybe the different running type of systems and why you thrive so much in what that system was. I think I would respectfully disagree, but I understand what you're saying. This is, this is what I don't know. I'm not saying you're a system running back. I'm just saying I know that you thrived in that system and I didn't see you in another one. No, I'm not even talking. I'm not even talking about me, right?

So I'm talking about like, just in general, like that, that system has a lot of success and it has a lot of success because of the players that are played in it. right so like they'll they'll have like a guy that's good every now on there but there's there's there's a guy that has a thousand yards in every system every year yeah you know but in this specific system I think it's just it's just very noticeable that it's as a zone scheme and it's um it's it's very beautiful when it's executed and so it's I think it's a little I think it's a little bit more recognized so like you know that the down and around schemes the pull and guard shit that's that's that's also a scheme that people do very well in right but I

think it gets I get again I think I think people there there has been some success from some, like, guys you didn't expect, but they were still ballers, right? Like, Terrell Davis was a baller, right? But, but Tiantra, I do believe that it is a beautiful system. I think that they, they, the way they coached it was phenomenal. Kubiak, all, both the Shanahan's, Kyle Shanahan is the reason why I was in the league. Yeah. When I was a rookie, and they were thinking about cutting me before they put me on practice,

I'm playing, no, like, no, I need him. keep him here keep him here all the scouts came to presume as like Kyle's the reason why you're here and then and then when I finally got my opportunity he kept feeding me so like I got all the love and respect for Kyle but that but to make your to I mean to answer your your your question I think what makes that so beautiful is like you have to be a very patient runner and so a lot of times guys problems with running up in the open field is they get a little antsy and they get a little quick You know, they just want to make a decision and go. When the line blocks beautifully, your path, what I was always taught, your path will block

the second level, right? So maintaining my track. And I think my stride was very conducive to that scheme because it's, it's, I have a long stride and I'll take a long stride and all of a sudden I can change directions really fast. So that, that, that running style fits, fits really, really well. But I feel like, I feel like that's, that scheme did not utilize me in the way that I think was, was best. Like, I did play under Bill O'Brien after Kube left, also had a thousand yards.

Oh, that's right, yeah. But more importantly, this is why I was so upset, was when he realized, like, all my skill set, I felt like my hands were the best asset. Oh, hell, yeah. And in Kube's offense, really never really utilized that. He didn't have a lot of plays. He tried towards the end. He started like, hold on, he could actually.

So he split me out some. You don't never see that in his offenses, right? Kind of how Kyle uses a Christian. McCaffrey, yeah. Koo started to do that. It was kind of new. It wasn't really a thing that he did. But Bill O'Brien, I was, during training camp,

I was going one-on-one with our number one corner and putting in work. But I ended up getting hurt, so I didn't get a chance to, like, do that in the games. But that was, I was extremely excited about that. And here I was, just throwing you screen passes. Come on, man. But that's what I'm saying. So, like, my first two years... No, I get what you're saying.

Yeah, my first two years of actually being a starter, I had, like, 600 yards receiving all on checkdowns. Like, on both years. It's crazy. TJ eights threw you seven of them when Matt left the game. Shout out to toes. He coached now, Amy? Yeah, he coached the Falcons.

He's the QB coach for Pennix over there and Kirk Cousins. That's my dude. TJ, my God, man. Yeah, I think just watching you in that system, like you said, it was beautiful. That's the point I was making. I was like, because the patience, like you said, and your ability, and I forgot about this, but your ability like that, that one cut and just get up field was like, I think,

I mean, the best thing you did, at least in my experience with you in those two years, I was like, holy shit, you know, because I came from a shitty-ass running team. We had Edgaren who was great. Edgren was at the tail end, but we couldn't, I mean, the year we went to the Super Bowl, we were ranked 32nd in the country. Like, we just couldn't run the ball. But to get to that and see that, the way. that was coached and the whole thing for me was like god damn like this is how football should be

played like that was that was great to watch man no i was it was dope man i i took i took that like so like when you see like so sayquan actually reached out to me not too long ago he was like what what do you think made your your zone so successful like and that was really dope because he's like the best in the game right now yeah um but like he also shows that he's a student of the game, and he studies tape. And so, like, when younger cats reached out and stuff like that, like the clinics we put on in Houston with the zone scheme reverberates throughout this game, and that's what I could appreciate.

Like, I've had a coach, one of my quarterback coaches in college, he reached out to me randomly. And he was like, hey, we're teaching the zone scheme. We used your film in Houston. I was like, that shit's dope, man. That shit's dope. Hell yeah, bro. I can't get off the football topic just yet.

we do every week our Wendy's segment so I'm going to use my last football question for you on our fresh take of the week presented by Wendy's. Wake up at Wendy's breakfast. Aryan, who are three running backs that are your favorite to watch? Could be past or present.

Just your personal favorite. It's not a goat list. This is not a my... This is just Aaron Foster's three favorite running backs you love to watch. That's a great question. I would probably say Barry Sanders, first of all. I mean, that's just insane. I don't think I'll ever see another athlete like that.

Eric Dickerson, I think Eric Dickerson was just so beautiful to watch. I modeled a lot of my game after. Yeah. Yeah, I modeled my game after him. And I think another San Diego legend would be Ladani Thomason. We don't talk about LT enough since he retired. Yeah, a thousand percent. I think it's just because he was like quiet and didn't say much and just went out about a business. But he was absolutely one of the best athletes to play in it. Barry L-T and ED. So now selfishly I want to throw this over to a field that I know a little more about than football entertainment.

I still ride or die for draft day. I like draft day. It's a damn good movie. What was that process for you like? Did you have to go through multiple? Maddie auditioned for draft day as well. So, you know, how does that call come in for you? That's why I was doing that press, that's why I was doing that press

junket. God, you're about to be Boe Callahan? No, I was about to be Brian, Brian, Brian, what was his name, Brian Drew? Oh, the, was it the agent? I forget. No, Brian Drew was the quarterback that was going to get replaced by the rookie quarterback. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But where are you at in your life when that call comes in?

And what were your expectations, did you really want it bad? Did you just say, oh, I'm going to play around with this and see what happens. Take us through your draft day experience for a second. Acting has always been something I've always done. I was in theater class in high school. Like, I've always loved that. I was in plays.

Like, I love always loved acting. And so I had a background in it, and I got a call from my business manager. He was like, yo, they're shooting this movie, and they're saying that they have guys that are good actors, they don't look the part. And the guys that look the part can't act. And so they went to the NFL. out there's like do you have anybody that has some kind of acting experience and they and the i forget

her name her name was april something shout out to her um she she reaches out to us and she was like would you guys want to audition and i was like hell yeah so i audition for the part and this is my claim to fame i love this um because i was in a movie with chabit bozeman right and so when i got i ended up getting the part so i had to audition i sent my audition tape and they loved me i went in I had to read for him live, yada, yada. And so I got the part, and then they hit me back, and they were like, we want you to read for this part now. And it was Chadwick Bowman's part.

And so I read for that part. I ended up just playing my part. But they, apparently, this is allegedly, by the way, I don't know. This is what I was told. That there were people like, yo, I think this is probably a better look, like go with him here rather than Chad. I'm not saying I'm not saying a better actor than Chad. I'm not something I'm saying.

I'm just saying that's what I was talking. to me was like there was people on both sides saying like I could play that role too so that that was really dope and then I wanted to pursue acting um but I don't know man when you have when you got money it's just no no you're right keep going keep going so I don't have the love for it to grind you know what I mean like if if I wanted to grind I absolutely would like I would I would grind. That's what I do. I work hard.

But like, I don't, I don't want to stand in audition lines all day and, and, yeah, you just want that shit given to you right away. That's how, that's how,

I like what Aryan's saying. I just don't have the interest in grinding it because I get it. Why should you? I just, it is where I would rather go and then I'm really, I'm grinding at golf now, though, you know? Yes,

I'm saying, like minus the, minus the like physical danger. The similarity acting has with, football, again, minus the physical danger, is like, if you don't love it, you won't, you won't really get through. Like, you got to have

love where you'll just play hurt, walk to shit, have a million people tell you, no, you're not good enough, and play around with your emotions. Like, if you don't have that love, you won't sit and tolerate that. You'll be out. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's also been the interesting part for retirement. I don't about the same for you, Matt, but seeing a lot of my

peers go through the same stuff, it's like you you work your entire life to get to this destination and then you get there and then all of a sudden it's gone in a moment and it's like everything that I was was building to this point or everything that I attempted or worked for it became a part of your personality it became a part of who I was getting up at 5.30 in the morning when nobody wanted to get up and then all of a sudden it's not there anymore, you have to fill that void with something. And I know a lot of guys struggle with that. I had some time where I struggled with that. But it's a very weird, like I used to

remember being on a plane and some like seven-year-old cat, you know, sitting in a first class. And he goes, so what do you, what do you do for that? I'm retired, 32 years old. Right. What? And it's just, it's, and it's a very weird feeling because you have to, can't just roll over that. You know, you have to go do stuff. And it's, this is not. a society that loves old people or aging or aging people or washed athletes like this is not a society that that honors that and so you have to find ways to find worth find ways to find self-love and that's been an interesting journey in it in itself but uh you know i came out on the other end i right i think that gosh it's like it's so true because you know i retired at 30 gosh 31 and again

you make money and if you were smart with it but it's like how do you find the passion and And love, like, I was, I even still to stay at 42, and I got, like, I had my job on Fox and, like, I got a bunch of little stuff now. And I finally in the last three years of really, like, hey, I'm more than, like, what I was in football. And you were, you've been really outspoken about that. Like, football wasn't, like, didn't fulfill you in the way that other things fulfill you, which I think is so great. And the advice I give all, like, even my son, it's like, find other passions, like football's a great sport. It gave me everything. I love the competition. I love the boys. I love all that. But find, I mean, it is. It really is a very small, small piece of your life. You got to find other things that you love and passionate about and that can kind of create that self-worth that you said, which I love. And that's one of the things I respect about you. So even when we played, I was always like, man, this dude is different in the way he views everything, like in a positive way. And again, we're so young. I was just so wrapped up and like trying to make it and play well and stuff. But it really was a good message. I do want to shift real quick to NIL, dude.

because I didn't even really realize this about you, but, like, I know you've been open about how, you know, taking those handshakes in college and shit. So can we just kind of go back into that? Because I get asked all the time. And I'll tell you right now, swear, like, everyone's like, how much money did you make at USC? Listen, I can't speak for other people that I played with,

but I didn't take, I didn't. I was like a broke kid from Santa Ana, just driving a White Ford Ranger. So how much money would you have made in today's world? I just want to know. Stop it, Aaron. Stop it. It's fucking gay.

Stop it. It's fucking gay. All right. So I thought... By the way, that's the reaction I get from everybody. Yeah. Because it's bullshit. That's what.

It's not bullshit. This is what I'm saying. Bro, bro. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. By the way, wait, hold on.

Put him in this place, Arian. Tell him. I told Portnoy, who I'm going to ask you about in a second, the same shit. And he looked at me the same way you're looking at me and be like, what the fuck are you talking? What do you want me to say? Go ahead. All right, so they're in the league, when I was in the height of my career, we came out with a documentary called School the Price of College Sports.

And in there, I detail how when I was in college, I took improper benefits, right? And it was like a shitstorm, and they started the NCAA investigation. They called me. They called me, bro. They called me, and I was like, the NCAA called me. They was like, hey, this is the NCAA. so and so with the NCA, we're going to open up an investigation on the improper benefits. It was like, are you going to cooperate?

I said, nope, good luck. Fuck you. Like, and my problem with the NCA is my problem with the people in general and with ex-players was when I came out and said that I never, I never said I never implicated any coaches. I never implicated any anybody, any other players. I just said what I did. And my problem is this because I went to go speak. I was at Harvard Business School, law school or something like that.

I went to go speak. They asked me to come speak and Richard Sherman and Larry Fitzgerald were there. And we were talking and it was like, damn, I was like, why would you,

why would you say that, man? Like, you kind of fucking it up for the younger, for the younger cast. I'm like, I'm like, y'all fucking it up for the younger cast.

I'm trying to help get them paid, bro. We deserve to get paid. Yeah. I said, but if everybody tight-lipped about the shit that happened, I was like,

think about it. I told Fitz this. I was thinking about it. I said, if you came out, I said you took money. And then, and then Rich, You came out and said they took money.

Reggie come out, say to him. Matt come out, say to him. Everybody said they come out. What are they going to erase the whole history of college football? No, they're going to change the rules. And that's exactly what they ended up doing. But I just did it in a time where it wasn't popular. But now everybody's saying fuck the MTA.

And now everybody's getting paid where it doesn't matter. But at the time, it was not normal because everybody wanted to keep it on a hush. But the problem what is if you don't stand up to systems of any kind of injustice, that will happen, though. They'll take advantage of kids. That's what they were doing. They were making money. Bro,

he used to piss me off. I used to, we used to play in these 100,000 seat arenas packed to the brim. I go back to my dorm with your jersey. Yeah, and I got nothing in my fridge. Like, I'm like, dog, this isn't right. You got concession stands,

people making their money. You got parking attendant guys making their money. But you can tell me I don't get nothing from that. No, no, I know business. I know how this works. And it was just, it always blew my mind how cash was so afraid to, to say anything.

Because, like, if we all stood up and said some, they would change the rules. But, I mean, it's water under the bridge now, but I used to get very passionate about it back in the day. Now, Matt, if you're going to tell me that you never took a, what was the craziest thing? You don't have to name names. I know you not.

They still got you shook. That's crazy. They still got you shook. What are you talking about? No. The only time, I'll tell you, I'll tell you the story. I've said that. No, I don't get in no NCAA.

because of me. I don't want no more banners. By the way, I'm 42 years old. What are they going to do to me? That's what I said. I had Reggie on my podcast. I had Reggie on my podcast along. Reggie's a different story. Before everybody had a podcast, I had a podcast in 2017.

And I had Reggie and we were talking about it. And I'm like, I'm like... You're like, come on, bro. I know, I know, I know. I know, I know. We're from the same city. Like, you know, I know him in passing. We never really kicked it like that. But I'm like, dog why did you give them your husband he was like

it's a good point it's a good question he's like you know you know just the right thing the blah I don't even remember what he said honestly but I was like dog it was your husband you want it I was like they had to come and take that shit from my house good luck with that like I just but everybody was so scared

to the NCAA dog fuck them guys and fuck them now they should still yeah but look look what happened to USC when that all came out they got they almost got the death penalty like your boy Eric Dickerson like they Like, which is dumb. I mean, I trust me.

What was the craziest thing you saw? Are you going to give every team? Are you going to give every team the death penalty and we have no games? You have no more scholarships? No. It's not going to happen. We are their product. We are the product.

Ari, you are not answering my question. My question is what's the crazy shit? What's the crazy shit you saw when you were in college? You're talking about with Brett? Yeah. I mean, I mean, I just handshakes all the time. Free men?

Come on, man, dude, this is crazy. I'm gonna be, you guess like me, man. You gaslight me, dog. This is crazy. No, I'm not. I swear to God. No, I... Let me tell a quick story.

I'm going to tell you a quick story real quick. And this is the dead honest truth. The only time that I got offered a significant amount of money, this is all my kids, dude. I got four. I swear, I was in Orlando for the college football award show. And I was walking on the property. or whatever the hotel we were at with my brother.

And this dude, it was kind of like a Mansell thing where Manzell, he signed all those photos, right? And he got like 10 G's or whatever. This guy offered me like 10 grand or 15 grand cash to sign like 50 photos at the time. And I can almost remember vividly. Like, we're just walking through the property. My brother was like basically fuck off.

That was it. That was the only time he said, I get the fuck out of it. I just kept walking. That was the only time, like real, like real stack. You know what you remind me up? You know what you remind me out? What?

You know, you know that kid on that little, uh, that, that, that, the NCAA commercial. I didn't even know to NCAA where he goes, where they get the turnover. He's like, coach. It was out of bounds. That was you. That was you. Man said, I got Tim Danes figure that already doing sign these things. And he was like, you get out of my face, man.

Yeah, that's what that's. That's against the room. All right, we can move, we can move on for this shit. I want to, can we play, wait, well, I want to ask, well, I want to ask you before. we appreciate you bro for coming on um your pod at barstool uh micro dosing and but i want to i want to talk to you about that but portnoy i want to play this clip real quick by the way matt liner matt liner thinks i'm wearing a matt liner shirt on big noon kickoff that ain't happening he didn't make the bet i see he i don't think matt liner understands how bets work he's like let's make

a bet i said your punishment if michigan wins is you have to apologize to oklahoma for the way Lincoln Riley treated them and call him a scumbag on national TV. He didn't agree to it, so there was no bet made. So I'm not wearing the liner jersey. That was in regards to Michigan, USC. Yeah, so this motherfucker, so we played last week, USC Michigan, and we're at dinner and or we're in the media earlier in the day. I'm like, hey, what do you want to do for this game?

He's like, whatever, and Dave's great. I love Dave. And he's like, hey, whatever, whatever. I'm like, you want to wear my jersey when you do like your Dave rant on our show. And he goes, yeah, yeah, whenever I'll do that. I'm like, I'll get you a helmet, a jersey, whatever. He's like, done. So he's, then at dinner that night, he's like, hey, I was thinking, if Michigan wins,

you basically have to motherfucker your current head coach who's at USC. And I apologize. I said, dude, I'm not going to, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not backing out of the bet. I'm just, I'm not going to do that. I can't do that. And he looked at me, he's like, all right, he's like, all right, I'll think of something. He never thought of something.

So we technically, technically, we never shook. We never actually made the bet. But that came out this morning. And I said it to him, I said, are you. Are you fucking serious, bro? You're not going to... He's like, you must have went to USC. You have no brains because we never shook on the bed all this shit.

I was like, what are you talking about? So this dude now is not going to wear my jersey on our show because apparently, like, he never gave me something other than that. That pussy, dude. That's what I said. I've been calling him that all week. Anyway, what do you think of that? You tell him, that shit.

I mean, I don't, I can't... Is he right? I can't, no, I mean, if... If y'all had words exchange and y'all agreed as men, to me, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, we never, we never agreed, because he never gave me something for me to do, but that was on him. He was supposed to think about it, and he never did. And then his team got, never actually agreed on anything? No, we didn't, which is, which I technically, that's why I say technically he's right. So you could just say he ducked the bed, then you got to get back out there. No, don't worry. I got something for on the show this week, but careful though, Matt. Be careful. Be careful with the internet.

So guys are relentless, bro. Yeah, man. I don't... He's a character, man. That's exactly how I describe him. He's a character. Dude, I've been enjoying, though, everything you're doing with the pod, the PFT. I really enjoyed the Writers' Cup, man, because I'm a golf nut.

I grind just like you. Man, that was a rough look, though. You got that... It was just... The deck was stacked against your squad. You were doing everything you could. I looked in your face. I said, Arian, in this golf match is doing...

everything he could to try to get a point for his team. And you guys ran into a buzz song. No, they pick horrible cap. The captain were horrible. Who was it? It was Whitney and Briggs, right? Yeah, they're picking all the homeboys rather than picking people who can golf good.

You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, don't pick the good golfers. Like, they have a whole golf podcast for Barstow. And they happen to be all on the same team. Like, if you were a captain, would you have broken up the four play podcast? You would have broken them up, right? You have to.

My first pick is Frankie. Frankie, the best golfer in that third. I'm picking Frankie the first pick and if not I'll probably go either yeah probably rigs yeah I'll probably go rigs next but you got to break them up because that might just send a message early and make them have to like play against each other

you know I think that's the mind games that may be witnessing they have a golf they're the best golfers you gotta break them up like what are we doing I don't know I will say Portnoy we're gonna let you go but Portanoi did leave his body for a second

and played an outstanding round I watched it he hit every fair way He's got to be terrible. No, but he went to another place at this golf match, man. That is not an athlete. He played well. Listen, listen, listen, he's horrible. He plays well in, like, scramble conditions, but you get him one-on-one.

Matt, why don't you challenge him to a one-view-on-one? I will smash him in golf, and I'm not even-old. And, Ari, me and you will just drive around. We'll play our own round, but we'll-old. Dude, I'm down. He ain't going to do it unless it's for, like, Big Bread. You should do it for Big Red. That would be a hell of.

Yeah, but his big bread is big bread. Yeah. You're going to take his money if you play it one or whatever. God, that's actually a smart bet. It's a good idea. I got 10. Hey, that's a good idea. Okay, that's a good idea.

I'm going to bring that up to him. I got 10 on. Yeah, bro, we appreciate you coming on, man. You're the best. My man, I appreciate you, man. It's really good to hear from you, brother. Yeah, you too, man. Good to see you.

Yeah, anytime you're in Houston or anytime I'm back in L.A., man, I hit you, brother. Hit me up, dude. My man. All right, Annie Agar joins the show, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a reference. Trushing Twisted Tea today or even this nice twisted tea football. Annie, we were talking off air. I thought you absolutely annihilated your real, your video.

I mean, a great Gino joke. You called Cam Scadaboo 626. If those of you don't know, that's from Lilo and Stitch. Heck of a week for you content-wise. Sometimes the jokes just write themselves. Granted, it does take a lot of research and work, but it's just like this is, I don't know if you guys feel this, but this NFL season, there's no good teams

like everyone's not happy with their team everybody has a flaw everybody has an issue and I couldn't tell you right now who my two Super Bowl teams are the two best teams right now based on record are the Colts and the Buccaneers

What a Super Bowl Is that how crazy? It's crazy, yeah If you had told me at the beginning of the year I'd have been like yeah you're, that's ridiculous well before we get to some twisted trivia where Matt is up

four to two on the weeks I got a question for you guys You guys are both football Officianto. Some of us have even played in the NFL. Who would you say if you had a venture a guess is the favorite to win NFL MVP?

As of right now, two days. Favorite? Favorite? I would say... Overwhelming favorite. I would say Baker Mayfield or Baker Mayfield. Okay. I feel like I just saw a tweet about this.

I could give you a little twisted trivia. I have two other names too. I think it's one of these three, but that's... Well, you only get one. I don't think it's... I think it's Daniel Jones. I think Baker.

Okay. Can I give you... Hold on. Can I give my other two? Well, I'll give you the two. I think either Puka Nukuwa or Bjaon Robinson. For MVP? Oh, Bajon.

Well, Bajon. Let's see. I don't even see Bajon in the top 10. They don't like running that or top eight. Daniel Jones also not getting to love. He's not in like the top eight. Baker is tied for second. favorite odds with Josh Allen.

If you say Patma Holmes. Patrick! Get out of town. Get out of here. Plus one, seven. He's, by the way, he's balling. He's on two of my fantasy teams. He's absolutely just carrying my team.

You know what? Screw the bills and Josh Allen for ruining that whole narrative. They were my Super Bowl ride or die. Joe Brady is ruining that team. Well, I told my nephew at the beginning of the season, I thought the bills receiving core was like, in the bottom tier of the NFL. Like, not that they're horrible, but, and,

and Cam Coleman's not doing anything. He was so mad at me. And now he's texting me, like, can the bills trade for Chris Olavis? Yeah, they gotta get. He's throwing, Jerry Judy, can the bills, I just think that, I don't know, the receiving core

looks a little light in Buffalo. And missing Kincaid really hurt. Yeah. You saw it in the game. Yeah. Well, they didn't use James Cook at all in the passing game either. I don't understand what's going on with them,

but I do feel bad for Josh Allen because he's doing it all on his own. But then if he has a bad game, then you're screwed. Before we hit our twisted trivia, Matt, how impressed are you when you look at a guy like Joe Flacco who is, I think your exact age, who's about to now play Thursday night, Bengals Steelers?

He didn't win, but he looked good. The ARP Bowl. It's ridiculous. You want to know how impressed I am? I played in my rec league basketball league this week and I almost pulled my hamstring making a post move down low. Honestly, it's partly while

I'm still in a bad mood because I scored three points on like one of nine shootings. So the fact that our boy Joe Flacco and even Arod, Arod's older, I think. Arod's 40, Aero's 42. He's the oldest, yeah, I think so. Flacco's 40 or 41. They're a year apart. It's, I don't know. I don't know how they do it, man.

It's unbelievable to be able to do it at that level, like what Brady was able to do and now these guys and still playing. Like, I don't know Flacco struggled, obviously, Cleveland, but, like, still playing at a really high level. And you still have to move quick back there, right? Like, it's... I mean, Flacco's not moving. Flacko's not moving.

But I saw some quotes from Rogers this week. I thought it was great. It's like he's... Flacco is like the last of the Mohicans of like your 6-5-240 and just stand in the pocket and just just the big arm, right? Like that was like that era of football. Obviously, a lot of these guys have big arms, but all these guys move around now. Just like, he literally is, he's like the last one.

Like, he's the last one. Go flat. Now, one for nine because of the hamstring. That's wild. When you put it into perspective of, it's Matt Sage. My shot is, my shot is about as bad as. So you were a fantasy bust. So you're just going off with Annie, you know, I'm just learning from to go. No, my shot is terrible, dude.

I scored 30 points my first week on fire. I've got, I would have combined 12 points in the last two games. So we got a fade liner in his pickup game. We got to bet all the under is Annie. So that hammy's good. Josie said do not come home a loser and do not come home with under 15 points. Don't embarrass the family.

I literally text her on my way. I said, I'm sorry, I let you down. I'm getting a hotel. I'm on my way to the hotel. All right. You can at least you can win a trivia, Matt. That's what you got. Are you ready to deliver a little twisted tea trivia?

Okay. Matt is up 4-2 in the weeks. He's up 14 to 12 overall on the questions. This week, it's going to be two questions for the audience. Listeners, and if you want to hop over the YouTube, we're going to get two pictures. Actually, we have three questions. Three questions and two pictures of a unhelmeted, unhelmeted football player with no jersey. Yes.

You guys did pretty well in the pictures last year, or last week, too. I was impressed. Let's do it. Ready? Starting with number one. First question. Who was the last Oklahoma sooner to win NFL MVP? Barry Sanders.

Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson. Yep. That got it. I guess. I guess wasn't terrible. Who'd you guess? Who'd you guess?

Barry Sanders. Barry Sanders with Oklahoma State, bud. I know, I know. I was giving you a moment to say it was terrible. It was terrible. I was teeing you up. Okay, second question. There have been two unanimous NFL, speaking of MVP's.

There have been two unanimous NFL MVP's in history, name one. Bonus if you get both of them. Tom Brady. Yep. I think I knew this other one just because I love this. I love this man Brett Fav No

A little bit more Every time I mean You already won It's like I know That's what I was Steering the wrong direction Is the other one

Steve Young Nope No No more recent Oh more recent Drew Brees No Tom was in 2010

For the audience out there Jerry did win this Because he named one But it's fun to give him Who's the second one Lamar In 2019

unanimous I did not know it was unanimous. I just feel like Lamar Jackson, that's always someone arguing. Right. Like, because he's so hotly debated, I never imagined that he unanimously won it.

Isn't that wild? I know. I got that one. So I remember that one. Okay. Number three. Who holds the record for most receiving yards

in a season by a tight end? Don't just spit out a name. Crook. There you go. He spit it out. It's not right. Okay. Well,

go ahead, Matt. I'm going to take a hint because technically we get hints before you're spit now. Who wants to be a millionaire now? Yeah. This is a hard one to give a hint for Which is kind of the hint in and of itself

If I say this, it's just going to give it away I know it, I know it, damn it, I know it I got away from Matt's guess Are they? I know it's, is it older or is it like? More recent More recent? The most yards in the season? Most yards in the season by a tight end

Tight end being the key Think of recent tight ends It's not, but it's not Kelsey Yeah See, really? Yeah, I'm true. Take that one. You limped into that one.

But what hint would I, any hint I would have given one about it? I was going, Antonio Gates. My problem is I think everything. I'm stuck in 2012 is my problem. I know, you forget there more recent, like, like anything past the, in the 20... Matt, limped into that one. That should be like a half a point, but two-one, Matt. Okay, gentlemen, are you ready for the pictures?

Yes. My favorite part. First picture. Who is this person? Patrick Sertan. Yeah, dang it. I just, I just know. I noticed the PS5 behind him.

I wonder if that gives it away. No. You just knew it from his little looks. Matt knows these guys. Also solid hat, by the way. Look at that hat. Oh, I'm 30 years old. But have you hung out with Patrick Certain?

I threw him a ball at the, at the Pro Bowl a couple years ago. When I was a quarterback, I threw Justin Jefferson. Matt's still out. Thank you. So is this unfair to Jerry then, Jerry sees? No, no, because Jerry watches more NFL than I do. True.

They wear helmets in the NFL. Okay. It doesn't matter. Okay. I like being the underdog. Come on. Next picture. That's that three to one.

I've already won. I know, but we got overall points to play for it. Who is this person? Oh, gosh. It's a tough one. I don't know if you guys look at this one. Is that? Don't say it.

I know. Don't use your guess before we get a hint, dude. Because you have no idea because I sure as hell don't. Hint, can we get a hint? It's a linebacker. It's definitely not a linebacker. It is actually. It is a linebacker.

It's a linebacker. I don't know if a college will help, but he went to LSU. I know who it is. I can't. You want me tell you who he currently plays for? Yeah. Pittsburgh. Oh, this is the brain fog kicking in.

His name, uh, hi to, uh, I can't. You want me to give you initials? I'll give you initials. No, I don't think we deserve this one. I don't either of them. Why? We clearly don't know it. Because we clearly don't know it.

Go ahead. Go ahead, Annie. You know, tell me that no initials? Yeah. PQ. Patrick Queen. Yep. Okay, Matt.

His starts with his last name, not a king, but, uh, what do you want me to do? Talk about it. I don't know that. I think, I think we deserve a half a point each for that. By the way, that was 1412, 18, 13, I'm pulling away. This is, this is honestly embarrassing for you. Patrick Queen, you do not deserve. She's, PQ, you got initials, bro.

And then I said the answer. That could be, it's true. That could have been a lot of names in the NFL. We're going to call the people, the good folks over at Twisted Tea to get a rule, ruling on PQ. And then you just, that's, that's the biggest hint. That's an illegal hint. We're going to look up how many guys have the initial. But we're both playing the game at the same time.

It's not my fault that I react quicker than you, bud. I mean, I don't know what you want me to do. That's an illegal. That's all right. All right. So 4-1 for Matt this week. I, that's it. I'm going to start studying up because that was,

ridiculous and it is kind of almost a sweep there jerry geez no we're gonna it's voided that one of them is uh all right annie thank you we're back next week um i gotta make my comeback good luck to the packers and i cannot wait for your next video like everybody on the internet as long as the giants keep winning i'll i'll keep being nice i had a rant earlier in the show about the giants if you want to double back and listen i'm staying realistic about these i let's okay good that's very helpful healthy of you. I don't know. I don't know about that.

I was going to say, I don't see that. This dude thinks the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl. I don't think any Giants are being rationally. They think Jackson Dart is like Eli Manning. They think he, no, it's just that the Giants Twitter is hilarious.

Giant's Twitter is, it is like, especially after the commanders and Eagles lost. Oh. Giant's Twitter's had a few twisted teas. Yeah. Just a few. All right.

Well, thanks, guys. We'll see you next week. Peace. All right, that's the show for this week. Thank you to Arian Foster. Shout out, my boy. Thank you, Eddie Agar. Shoutouts, twisted tea.

Appreciate it. And, Matt, good luck to your Trojans. Good luck to the Giants. Show that jersey. Oh, by the way, last thing, as we're on the way out. He's not going to wear it, but I'm going to, I'm going to put it on. If you won't wear it, at least make a bet where he bought, get him to buy you like a $5,000 glass case for your Heisman so you could get it off.

a freaking box. Yeah, shout out to PMT, too, for a, hey, is that a Heisman? Is that a box jump on your Heism? Yeah, bro, this is what I do. Some investigative journalism from PNT from Hartman. This is what I'm working with here. Well, that should be your secondary bet. All right.

See you next week.