Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Doug Ellin on Entourage Reboot, Bob Saget’s Birthday, The Michael Jordan Cameo That Never Happened and Victory The Podcast Returning

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

Entourage creator Doug Ellin makes his long-awaited debut on the show to address the elephant in the room: there is no way Turtle and Drama could have went to high school together. On the heels of what would have been Bob Saget’s 70th birthday, Doug talks with Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara about Bob’s epic run on the show, and the one plot point he pushed back on. Plus, Doug reveals the cameos they wanted for Entourage and never could make happen, plus his lists a few of his favorites who did make it on the show. Doug also discusses his podcast with Kevin Dillion and Kevin Connolly Victory The Podcast. And of course, Doug answers the million-dollar question: What’s up with an Entourage reboot?   Then Matt and Jerry discuss the teammates and cast members they had the best chemistry with throughout their careers before picking their 3 favorite movie sequels ever.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsor:    NHTSA: Click it. Don’t risk it. Paid for by NHTSA. www.nhtsa.gov/clickit  00:00 Show open  03:01 Doug Ellin Joins!  03:55 How the Turtle Jersey craze started  04:48 Jerry’s audition   05:45 Turtle’s “fake” New York accent  07:18 The story of Bob Saget’s Entourage cameo   09:04 Bob Saget’s one plot push back for Entourage   10:15 The Entourage cameos Doug wanted but never got  14:50 The Bob Saget scene that almost broke Jerry  16:48 Jerry dislikes Russell Wilson   17:50 How Kevin Connolly broke his leg filming with Russell Wilson and Gronk  20:57 Younger generations finding Entourage on TikTok   22:18 The times Entourage predicted the future  24:40 Entourage reboot possible?   29:49 Matt and Jerry’s best chemistry with teammates and cast members  35:54 Throwbacks 3: Favorite Sequels ever   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are your just thoughts on a reboot? I mean, look, anything is possible, you know, as far as the question of like, oh, could you do the show? Of course, I could write it today. And of course, I know how to write what the culture is today and how the guys would adjust. The most difficult thing would be like, why do these four 40-year-old plus guys live with each other still? That's the most unrealistic situation of it all. All right. Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.

Go hit the YouTube Throwback Show. subscribe. It's free. You don't even got to be worrying about money. Go to all social platforms at throwback show. Follow us. We got some good stuff for you today too that you might want to comment on when you see it on our socials. But joining us today, I can't call. I mean, he's my boss, former boss, but he's my boy, Doug Ellen, creator of entourage. It's been, you know, long time. It's about time. Yeah. We had Connolly and Dylan on and we obviously talk about Entourage a lot on the show. But here's how it all happened. You know, I saw

earlier in the week, it was Bob Sagitt, would have been Bob Sagitt's 70th birthday. Rest in peace, Bob Sagitt, love him. And it got me thinking of like, how did that cameo even happen? Like, famously, he's one of the more beloved cameos in the show, but how did that cameo even? So I texted Doug, I'm like, hey, Doug, like, might have texted him this morning.

We jump on with us. We just want to talk about Bob and how that all happened. He's like, what time? Yep, I'm dropping my daughter off. I'll be right there. And that's how you know, you got good friend Matt. You've had lots of people show up on short, no, this. You've gotten a lot of the guests on this show. I'm happy I was able to finally come through for us. Oh, you've got, no, it's great. But it's all, I think anytime, I think people want to hear entourage. They want to hear about stories and he's the creator, right? Like, and again, we've been doing this show now for two seasons and we finally get them on. So I'm excited to not only hear about obviously sort of how Bob Sagitt

came about, rest and peace to the legend, but also just, you know, like the million dollar question too, like the reboot question, like things like that. Like, there's like people want to know these things. And this is from the guy who started it all. So fired up, man. Good guy. I wore this hat for him. For those of you, not the closest

in the camera, that is Kevin Dillon as a cartoon monkey that on the show, Johnny Bananas, that was going to be an animated series and that Doug made hats. So in honor of Doug, I wore this. And stick around after the Doug interview. Matt and I talk some of our favorite.

We do it in a throwback three, our favorite movie sequels as we have Mandalorian and Grogu coming out and a million toy story five is about to come out. Million sequels are about to start hitting the summer. So we go down memory lane with that. But now we bring you my former boss, Doug Ellen. All right, joining us, one of my good friends. It's weird. You're such a good friend. I feel weird saying former boss because we were more friends than boss employee.

but you were my former boss, creator of entourage, Doug Ellen, buddy. First of all, short notice you pulled through. I had an idea for a segment. I hit you up and you're like, I'll be there. And that's what your friends do. They show up for you in short notice. That's what we do, you know? But yeah, I never looked at you as an employee.

I can't remember when I thought that you were my employees. The only time it did is like you paid for lunch for like eight years. That was employee boss employee relationship. You bought me lunch for like eight years straight. You were like a little brother, you know? Like when you started, man. I mean, you were what, 23, 24? Yes.

Crazy. Yeah, Matt, a big concern with me getting the part was I looked young. I think, Doug, you were pretty locked into Dylan, right, at that point. And some age gap. And I remember going to your house, like the night before the final test. And anything to make me look older, right? So this is kind of how the jersey thing may be started. You like bring over like baggy jerseys.

don't shave and I wore and I brought a Jerome Bettis, Pittsburgh Steelers jersey, which is the jersey I wore to the network test the next day. I think that might have helped start the turtle with the jerseys craze. It definitely might have, but it's crazy. You know, we've talked about it before, obviously, but nobody ever thought there was a problem that Kevin Dillon and Jerry went to high school together when one was, was he 36 or 38? I'm not sure.

I think he was 38. He was 38 at the time. 38, I was 23. What do you? I mean, now that we have, first of all, Doug, thanks for coming on. I mean, I've heard we talk about you all the time on the pub because we talk about entourage. But what do you remember about Jerry's kind of audition process? Was there anything that stands out?

You know what? From the minute I met Jerry, I mean, you know, we only had, you know, for every role, very few people. And there was one time, you know, our mutual friend, Dominic Lombardozy, who's kind of like a killer version of turtle, you know, who ended up being on the show. He was a guy that we kind of thought might be the tone. But when we met Adrian and then Jerry, who were both represented by Steve Levinson,

we had a different vibe. And Jerry had such a, you know, which is what I was looking for from the beginning, such an authentic New York vibe and such a great sense of comedy that, you know, immediately when I met him, I'm like, oh, man, he's perfect. But he's 23. How is anyone going to believe this?

And nobody ever said a word about it, which is pretty important. word. It's funny. My nephew now, who's going to be 18 years old, he's graduating high school in a few weeks. He watched the show, obviously. And he, you know, the first thing he said to me, he goes, why did you use a fake New York accent? I said, what? He's like, you don't even talk like that anymore. I'm like, listen to me, you little shit. That's how I talked when I was 23 years old. I said sneakers. I said sneakers. I said sneakers back then. He thought I was I was using a fake New York accent. And by the way, I loved it. It's really one of the things of Turtles character.

that really grounded the show in New York was that accent. It was, you know, everything about Jerry was so authentic. It still is, but, you know, I like his accent better back then than his, you know,

his kind of British accent that he has now or whatever. His Ohio and... I've lived in too many of the hell you are, dude. I don't even know where I am. I'm going to get you back to the West Coast, buddy. So we don't want to step on too much entourage stuff

because I know, you know, you got the victory, victory of the podcast with Connolly and Dylan. And that's... coming back like everyone talks rebut are we rebooting victory the podcast is this happening i hope i hope i hope we're going to have you know and and really go through this um you know because when we started doing it really podcasts were just starting we didn't even know what we were doing so now you know we got a little more experience and we want to go through the show and we also you know if you ever listen to that podcast

when you come on it's it's just a good vibe it feels like the show it feels like friends just hanging out which is what we always were so it's it's pretty cool but we don't have to worry about stepping on anything. To be honest, do people listen to something and they forget about it an hour later? So it doesn't matter. Well, one of the many reasons why I wanted to talk to you, you know, we always with throwbacks, we try to throw it back and find some kind of anniversary or thing from back in the day. And it hit my timeline that it was Bob Sag at 70th birthday, right, recently. And I'm not trying to bring the tone down. Obviously, what happened to him is so tragic and so many people miss him. But it just really got me thinking about that cameo because that's one of the ones people have

me about the most over the years. It kind of goes like Tom Brady one. Sagitt's always up there. Always. So I want you to go back in time for a minute. It looks guess we'll say it was 05 or 06. How, give us the origin story about how Bob Sagitt, playing Bob Sagitt on Entourage happened. Well, you know what? Two things about Bob, you know, because everybody, a lot of people think about Full House when they think about Bob Saggett and America's home videos. I don't. I never watched a single episode of Full House. What I knew Bob

from was Rodney Dangerfield Stand Up Day. And I forgot what it was called. But I found Dice Clay on that and Sam Kinnison and Saggett. And Sagitt was a dirty comic, you know, in a funny way. But his stuff was edgy and dirty. And I always loved Bob.

And Bob became friends with, I believe, Rob Weiss, you know. and Rob's like, hey, Saggett wants to be on the show. You want to come up with something. I'm like, absolutely. And, you know, one of the things with any of the cameos, they're playing themselves. So some people are more sensitive than others to things. But Bob was like, well, you know, yeah, I get on the phone with him.

He's like, whatever you want. And I just knew Bob's voice. So I wrote this whole script in like very quickly. And Bob was flatbroke and living next to the guys and coming over. or basically trying to borrow money all the time, whatever. And it was, you know, it was funny to me, whatever. Sent it to Bob and Bob's like, you know, can we have lunch? And I'm like, uh-oh.

Back when people had lunch in Hollywood together and talk about creative things. So I go to lunch with Bob and Bob says, Doug, I don't care about the Coke. I don't care about the hookers. I only care about that people don't think I'm broke because I have two at the time. You had two top 10 shows on at the same time, which still might be the only guy in history. to have that. But he's like, you can do whatever you want with me. Throw me off a building. Just do not make me broke. So I'm like, done, Bob. It's done. So we rewrote it. And, you know, Bob is so game for anything. And, you know, when we called him for the podcast, which I think you came on that

episode. But anyway, anytime you ask Bob for anything, and he's a, he was a very busy guy, always working. He always said yes. And he was just a great guy. So when he got the new script where he wasn't broke and he was just a coke addict who liked hookers he was like this is fantastic you know that show i mean bob was such a legend and god i remember more from full house which is crazy me too um you had so many great cameos on there and and i think when you look back and jerry and i talk about this all the time like our favorite ones and his favorite ones was there one for you that maybe like got away was there one that you really wanted but you never could lock down i mean i wouldn't say got away because we just never had a shot.

But I tried to get Michael Jordan. I tried to get Jimmy Page, the guitars for Led Zeppelin. Like there was a time when I started getting cocky and I'll be honest, the only things that we could always get after season one, because season one we couldn't get anybody. You know, Mar Odom did us a huge favor and showed up. Wahlberg, we didn't even know if he was coming for the pilot.

Like, we literally had no idea if he was going to show up. But after season two, we started getting a certain group of actors and then all the athletes. But I started getting cocky. I'm like, we can get anyone. Let's get Michael Jordan. Let's get Jimmy Page. And let's get the Nero.

So there were people that I dream that we could get, that we didn't. But then, you know, we got so many Oscar winners. And James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, you know, we got so many MVP athletes. And so, you know, all of it was great. But there were people that I would have liked to get. Did Jordan turn you down? Or was it just? Did it ever get to him?

I don't know that it ever directly got to him or not, but we didn't get them. You know, we never got like maybe, you know, like some of the tougher ones, you know, which I dealt with a lot of people. I mean, Sean Penn, you know, who I wanted, who I love and have spent some decent amount of time with. I mean, I had honestly like a two-hour phone call with Sean Penn from Haiti. And I was like, when the big earthquake happened, and I'm like, Sean, we will send a crew and we'll do it in Haiti where it's obviously entertaining, but where we could really

raise awareness. And we, Sean talks a lot. He talked a lot and ultimately didn't do it. Same with Ben Affleck. Like I think I was on the phone with Ben Affleck for 90 minutes. And I'm like, are you great?

Are you in or not? He would have been great. He would have been great. I mean, I know we had famously Matt Damon was incredible. That's another one too. I guess he's in like the pantheon of cameos because it was another guy you came in and wanted to play this like heightened version of himself, right?

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Like everybody made a pit stop on Entourage. But I just like, I'm so happy for her because she literally showed up in the pilot. when there was no, that one quick cameo that kind of legitimized Vince as a ladies man a little bit. And she came on and crushed it. Always roofed her. And that's why when I even think of Sagga, that was early season two. Like, we were established for sure, but I don't, people aren't beating down your door just yet. No, no, definitely not.

But I mean, Ali Larder, just to throw that out quickly. I mean, Gina Gershon was, was supposed to play. That's right. She was doing the role. And like an hour before we get a call. And again, I'm not. I'm not blaming Gina because I don't know personally. But we get a call that she didn't realize she was supposed to be playing herself and she's not coming.

Okay. So, you know, imagine we're like, and at the time, HBO is the king of the universe. And we're like the schmucks doing this little low budget thing on HBO. And I'm like, I have an executive there. I'm like, we don't have an actor showing up. And Adrian actually called Ali because he was friends with her and she lived near wherever that location. We're shooting some club. Yeah.

Yeah. And she just came and showed up. So I wish her 100 Emmys and everything else good to happen in her life. That is so awesome. But Saggett, you know, but Saggett, obviously, you know, that was one that was like, oh, okay, we're going to get Bob Saggett and let's do something special with it. So I knew we were in for something special with him when I think the first thing we shot was his character coming over to bring us like a muffin basket.

And then he does this great bit at the door when he's leaving. he's like anybody an Xbox guy? Like he's trying so hard to fit in with us. And then he did this handshake with me that to this day, I don't, it was the only time I never really broke with laughter. Like I never really ruined too many. I was always able to hold it together.

I think that was one of the only times where I had a hard time not breaking because he took my hand. And he's like not a little guy, Matt. Like Bob's solid six one, right? Six foot, six one. Yeah. And he's like manhandling me with his hand. And then I always tell people,

A lot of lines get thrown at me over, like, when I'm walking out in the street sometimes. But one of the ones that has standed the test of time is, did you just get caught? No, did you just get cock blocked by Bob Sagger? Which I'm proud to say is one of my favorite. Somebody great lines. You have a real lines. Yeah. I mean, you know, it was, again, it was thinking about that he's gone is crazy.

Yeah. but really remembering him as, you know, all our cameos were so good. They all wanted to be there, you know, for the most part. So we never had like issues. But Bob was really like one of those guys. Granc also, by the way, if you remember, Jerry,

Gronk was serving soup to extras at 2 o'clock in the morning. He was just like happy to be there. And Bob was like that too, whatever you need. And just one of the great guys of Hollywood, you know, for real, like just a good, good person, you know? the Grand Cameo was electric he came in

he was in the movie he was in the movie that's right yeah yeah now was he on crutches scripted or was he actually injured at the time he was injured from I don't even know if he's a Super Bowl

I can't remember but I just remember captain oh right yeah time is so fast you know Russell Wilson was in the scene he was a buddy of mine at the time he overthrew Connelly it's like kind of broke his leg

Jerry Jerry Jerry always talks about Russ I talk shit about Russ Doug I am going to life. Jerry, doesn't dislike a lot of people, but I kind of think Jerry really dislikes Russell Wilson. I'm just throwing it out there.

He's not, he's not Bob Sagget. Let's put Bob Saggin, he's not. You know, but I remember Russell looking, when Grong came on the set, because I think Henry Penzi, who was one of Walberg's friends brought up. You definitely met Henry, Matt, for sure. You know, with Julian Edelman and I forget who else

is there, you know, and and Gromk was up for, whatever. But I just remember Russell looking at Grom because if you remember at the time, they didn't really have a big receiver or tight end in Seattle. And he was just looking at Gromk and he was like, God, I need one of those.

You know, because I mean, Gromk is a, I mean, he's a giant. You know, when you're standing next to him, thinking about how he moves the way he moved is pretty nuts. But that was also one of the great ones. Is that in that scene too? Was he? That's right. Yeah. At that party. In the movie. Yeah.

Everyone from I said to Saggett. Yeah. Jerry, where someone breaks, does Connolly break his arm? Connolly breaks his leg. And that was a Russell Wilson pass. We've told the story before. Connolly caught it. Then he tried to extend over the goal line. Get the touch because him and I was like, I had him wrapped up.

And as he extended, I like slid down his body and like landed on his leg. And we both heard like, and I literally went, what was that? Conno's like, oh, my leg. So let me wrap it up with Grunk now. So we just think that Connolly has like a bad ankle sprained. Russell Wilson's like lacing up his sneakers. He's got an ankle sprained. Lace up your sneakers, his bones popping out.

And then, but we didn't, Connolly didn't run to the doctor. He tried to play through. Later that day, we're doing that whole party scene. The thing we were ending with was it was like an intimate sex scene that Connolly had, right? So I remember all being huddled up. Gronks in the huddle. Of course he is. A better word.

And he was like talking and everyone's like, should, you know, maybe get him like a painkiller or something. and then Conn's like, hi, I got this whole sexy, you know, and Gronk's like, well, if you're doing,

if you're gonna have sex, you shouldn't take a painkiller. It's like, you're not really going to have sex. It's a sex scene. He's like, oh, well, then do what you want,

but he walked away. He thought like, oh, well, first they were talking about shooting him up with what is it, turtle.

Is that what they called? Toral, right? Tortole. Is that what it is? But Doug, but Doug, but Doug,

do you know all this is happening like, when it's happening? Like, I think Jerry will agree. I'm, like, more concerned about my friends than getting the set, you know, like, we know those movies where guys are like, you know, apocalypse now. Coppola was like, Martin Sheen had a heart attack.

He's like, I don't dare put a stick up his ass and throw him on the set. But I'm like, we got to get you to the hospital. And Connolly, I guess in his defense, I mean, because he must have been in severe pain. He's like, I'm not going to the hospital. I'm getting this scene done, which it really would have, you know, when you're making a movie with a relatively low budget, it would have killed us if we had to shut down that whole thing. But so Connolly played through.

ended up getting screws put in his leg, Matt. Like, it was like a real bad tourtals where we get shot in the ass before games. That shit. Is that known everything? Three hours of no pain. I'll take some of that right now. Just to get through the day with the kids. God, what a, what a, what a, I mean, as a fan and getting to do this with Jerry, it's just such a great run you had.

And I feel like, gosh, 20 years later. And maybe it's because my whole algorithm now is like Jerry and entourage, but it just feels like. USC highlights. Well, no, but I'm just saying this show is such a legendary show, and it's like stood the test of time. And it truly is a testament to you and just everybody, man. It's so fun, like to hear. One of my favorite episodes on throwbacks is we had Dylan and Connolly in person with Jerry,

the four of us. And we just like, I sat for like an hour and a half and just watched these three dudes relive the magic like the last 20 years. It was just, it's so cool what you created, man. It really is. And it's still. We had a really great group. It was a special time.

And everybody, for the most part, is still pretty close, which is very cool, you know. Which it still has a huge impact today. Like, everyone still talks about. They love it. The youngens, like the 17 to 28-year-old are discovering it. And it's a lot of edits and clips that my nephew is sending me going like, guys, have you seen this show, Entourage? Like, they've just discovered something fresh and new. And they're like, is this what L.A. was like?

Is this what 2000? the early two, the 2000s and early 20s. Yeah, it was. Wow, this looked amazing. And I'm like, wow, it's a time capsule. It definitely is. In the last five years, it's definitely grown up. My daughter, I have an older daughter, too.

So I have 24, 22, and three. But my 22-year-old just graduated Boulder. And her boyfriend's fraternity, the pledges were called Lloyd. So that's like, you know, 2012. Like, they'd walk her on campus. You'd hear people going, Lloyd, you know. That's the greatest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, we definitely have kept an impact, especially given that, you know, it's on HBO, which is still a limited audio.

I'd love to still see us on Netflix, but it is nice to see it's, you know, it's avoided some of the nonsense of the, you know, of the culture movement or, you know, the writers, I would say, their culture movement. And the kids get it, that it is at the end of the day, because it was. You know, it was a show about friendship. And, yeah, they spoke a little vulgar, but they were pretty good group of guys that I think all of us like to have as our own friends. you know. So I always love when you could say entourage sort of predicted things or even showed you things like obviously Aquaman is always like number one, right?

I don't believe that Warner Brothers was talking about doing an Aquaman movie before Entourage did the Aquaman story. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not sitting there with studio executives. Several of like the Vince movies have gone on to in their own way become real movie. Now, I always want, because I don't even think I've ever asked you, like, how did you figure out, like, this is going to be the fake movie Vince is going to do? Like, where did Aquaman come from? Because also Cameron has, like, a million avatars out now.

I remember he had a few requests, too, when he came on the show. I mean, things would come, you know, like Medellin was just like, I was reading, I was reading the book Killing Pablo in Hawaii. And I'm like, this would be a great movie, you know, and, you know, I could see Vince playing this guy. So that's how that would happen. Aquaman's a different story because no, they weren't talking about it. Nobody was talking about superhero movies at that point. They were a joke. And the funny thing about Aquaman to me was this is the stupidest idea of all time unless

James Cameron directs it. Who would think that it's a billion? I mean, I actually think the movie was horrible anyway, but the real movie. But it's a billion dollar franchise. It's a franchise. And every, you know, super superhero movies were big like, I guess in the 80s, 70s, maybe, and then they disappeared and they were just seen as so stupid. And now we know the last 20 plus years, it's pretty much all that gets made.

But no, at the time, it was like a joke. And that's why, you know, again, I try to write things as realistic as possible. But to me, from my mind, the only way that movie could have been good at the time was if Cameron directed itself. Well, I want to ask, I want to ask this because this is the million dollar question and everyone talks about it. And I don't know if you saw the April Fool's joke. That was all Matt's idea, Doug.

I did not want to do that. It was low-hanging fruit. And Jerry was so pissed. Like, he was so mad. I can't do this. I'm like, of course you can. People are going to get mad. I know the reboot question and I get it.

But I think everybody, is there a world in which we see that? What does that look like? Like, what are your just thoughts on a reboot? I mean, look, anything is possible, you know, we obviously like I said for whatever reason the culture is taking a lot of swings

at us specifically like they somehow they somehow don't find you know sopranos which again I'm not comparing it quality wise think whatever you want about whatever you want but sopranos where they beat up women and when they murder people

is not a bad thing but a show where people say some racy language for some reason is like got this weird thing but as far as the question of like oh could you do the show of course I could write it today. And of course I know how to write what the culture is today and how the guys would adjust.

Could Ari walk around his office speaking the way he did? Of course not. You'd be fired in a second. They'd be videotaping you all day long. But the reality was that show was a very realistic look at how people were speaking in Hollywood at that time. So you can like that or not like that. But it was certainly not meant to offend anybody. But will it actually happen?

you know, it's not something that I really give a lot of thought to. If someone decided they want to do it, then I would go, okay, let's get into it. But I think with the podcast, which I think you really get a feel of what the vibe of it is, and, you know, anything is possible because the guys are all still great. Yeah. And, you know, we just have to figure out the most difficult thing. We'd be like, why do these four 40-year-old plus guys live with each other still? That's the most

unrealistic situation. That part, yeah. We used to think it was like, not think, but there was line. I feel like there's dialogue. Like we can't all live together when we're in our 30s, bro. Like what do we do? I do feel like there, you guys would know this better than I would. But I do feel like maybe there's somewhat of a culture shift happening because you see all these rows happening and all this.

And it's like kind of getting back to like comedy is kind of getting back to comedy. For sure. There's no doubt. Kevin Hard and the Brady rose, you know. And again, I don't say that's why. oh, there's no. No, for sure, yeah. At this point. But I think I always believe you can do good comedy always.

It just has to be good, you know, and I think that we could probably do something good. You know, we did a pilot last year and Jerry was going to come on off the show actually went. We were going to do something more with it. But we did something with Charlie Sheen, who I thought, if anyone's culture ship need to come back, it was him. And we made a great show. It's very good. I think that people were okay with the tone of that.

Again, I don't even like to make it like, oh, my God, Entourage was the worst. It wasn't. I mean, there were far more vulgar stuff on even at the time and since. But, you know, things are different. HBO owns the rights to it. So it's really, who knows what happens when this paramount. To be honest with you, David Zazloff,

who's the head of Warner Brothers, the first thing he said on CNBC when he took the job, which he subsequently made about $400 million since then. But he said HBO with the greatest brand in the world. We have sex in the city, sopranos, and entourage. So I thought Ben they were going to be calling when you have the guy going on TV. But we never heard from himself. Other things I take a lot of pride in.

We showed shoe culture waiting online for sneakers. No one knew that was a thing. Comic-Con. Now everyone uses Comic-Con in regular life language. We were like, what is this nerd fest? we're going to. That was like actual dialogue. Obviously, I mean, Miles Teller, I think just sold

some kind of alcohol company for a probably made a hundred burst on that. I mean, there's just a lot of thing. Also like, you know, we all character dedicated to Harvey wine guard. That was not very favorable in the long run. And the football team. Ari Emanuel is going to own a football team.

And L.A. football team. Mike Meldman, who, you know, I had on the show helping bring the Rams back to L.A. owns, you know, the Raiders, right? And Ari is going to own whatever the hell he wants to own, you know. So we definitely had some stuff that that came true. Well, brother, I love you.

Legendary Ron, man. You know, let's get this victory to podcasting. Go. Let's just get it going. Because I got some things to say now. You know what? I haven't gone back and looked at the episodes in a really, really long time. Yeah.

And now I'm at such a different place. Like I said, you're experiencing now. to think like your kids like are 24, 22. Like I remember holding Maya when she was your daughter now. You're like, I remember her being that age. So I think, and I think we got to involve the youth,

the youths. We got to maybe bring on some of the younger people. Be like, what is drawn to you to this show? Why? Because maybe that's something we can tap into. It'll be great. Yeah.

Yeah. You're the man. Thank you for. Thanks for coming on, man. Absolutely. Yeah. Be good. Two friends show up to a podcast on very,

very short notice with a good camera and a real microphone. Hopefully it looks good. Yeah, I don't know. Go Nix, Jerry. Go Nix. Okay, this next segment, Nitzza muscle memory, click it, don't risk it paid for by Nitsa. This is where we kind of figure out something that we could just call upon when needed.

So for you, Matt, I would say my question would be what wide receiver? You can go to college back to. You don't have to stick NFL. What wide receiver or tight end or running back out of the backfield? Who did you have the most quarterback to receiver chemistry with? Well, I had the most chemistry with my center, you know. Oh, wow. It's intimate.

You definitely clicked it and didn't risk it. I would say, I would say Reggie Bush. And it may sound obvious, but, and I would go back to the Bush push play is one play, right? The infamous play. We've talked about a thousand times and everything. but to be on the same page of that in that moment with everything on the line. I mean, literally everything for that season on the line and him understanding the situation and give me a little push and all that.

We joke, but genuinely just knowing, like, having that chemistry. And then more with Reggie, too, it was just he practiced so much at wide receiver because he was one of our best wide receivers and he was the best playmaker in the open field. I just always knew, like I always knew what the fade route looked like. I always knew what the slant and go look like. I always knew that like, hey, if I just get it there right, like, I always knew that with him, right? It was just one of those things where it was very unspoken in the huddle. You just had an idea and you went out there and you executed.

And that just shows up and write the stats, the wins and all of that stuff. So that would be for me the chemistry of Reggie and I, we played three years together. and an incredible run in so many plays or we just knew, right? We just knew what was going on. So for me, it's Reggie. I would be curious for you, Jerry, was there someone, whether it's entourage, probably, or a movie that you just, the minute you walked into a scene, the minute you walked into set, you're like, this is like, this is going to be easy, right?

Was there someone like that for you with the chemistry? You know, chemistry is a funny thing. Like, I almost wanted to frame that question for you differently, which would be like, What makes it chemistry? Like, how could you look bad? But I think you explained it inadvertently just by answering the question. I think what makes the chemistry is just like the unspoken. Like, you just know.

Yes. You practice so much that you just know, like, hey, I know where you're going to be go. So, let's start with entourage for a second because that's obviously like the most defining thing in my career. It has to be Kevin Dillon. I mean, I like to think we all had great chemistry together, the four guys and Piven. But with Dylan, and I don't think it was what anyone anticipated because we just had Doug on and we should talk about this next time, but people were worried because Dylan, you know, I say this with all respect, this is a little bit older than me, you know, he's 15 years

older than me. They were worried like when we first started. We were supposed to be in like high school together, but Dylan's 15 years older than me. No one ever asked about that. And then I started getting all these scenes with him. And to me, chemistry and acting, I forget who made this quote, but if you're both trying to make each other look good, it's going to work, right? So I got to know Dylan so well and all his mannerism.

and when he, so I knew when to leave a pause because he's going to do something or make one of those looks. I knew when to kind of like poke him to get him to get one of those Johnny drama as I wear the Johnny Banana's hat responses. So entourage for sure, it's me and Dylan. And it was the least likely in the beginning,

I think people had. Outside of that, I just go, I'm going to put a whole cast on it, the entire cast of Think Like a Man. That's a movie that I... That's a good one. I almost passed on because they offered it to me

and they're like, you're going to play Gabrielle Union's love interest. I went, no, I'm not because no one's going to believe that. Who's going to believe that, like, Gabrielle Union wants me to marry her? And my character is like, no, I'm good. I don't think I want to marry her. So I almost said no for that. But what was cool was we would do all these scenes with just the guys, right? Playing basketball, Kevin Hart, Michael Ely, Gary Owen.

And then we'd have a week where it was couples. So I'd do two days with Gabrielle. And Michael Ely would do two days with Taraji. So that movie is just loaded with chemistry. So that would be my answer. How much of that movie was improvised? When the guys were together. I think Kevin and Gary had the green light, I would say.

Right, of course, yeah. But Gary had a great way of making the actual scripted dialogue feel improv. That's just what Gary's really good at, Kevin, too. We would all let stuff fly for the most part. But no, the script was also really, really good. But yeah, I would say Kevin and Gary had the green light to go. So good, man. Shout out.

You and Dylan, man. Yep. I feel like he had great chemistry with everybody because he's just that type of dude. Yeah. I mean, we became a duo at one point. And here's how I knew, though, I was in trouble. I was some man, we had dug on. We didn't ask him this stuff.

There was a line in episode three, the Jimmy Kimmel episode, which to me is the episode like we've talked about, where we all figured it out, right? And we're rehearsing the scene. I had a line in the script, Turtle, and my line was, we got to get there early. Jimmy Kimmel's green room is stocked like a trout pond, meaning lots of girls there, right?

And I said it in like rehearsal, and it got like some nice laughs. Somehow, Doug was like, Kevin, you try the line. Then Dylan said it. Jimmy Kimmel's. Greenwood. And the entire room erupted. Yeah, so you lost the line.

I just had the best joke. maybe in the episode and it's now his. And that was an early sign of, you know, tee this guy up, tee him up because he's a home run hitter. So shout out to NHTSA. We're going to keep going with some of the memory lane stuff and muscle memory.

Remember, click it, don't risk it. Paid for by NHTSA. Matt, there's a big movie coming out. I know you might not be the biggest Star Wars guy. I used to be. I'm not the biggest, but we've got Mandalorian and Grogu coming out. like it makes me remember all the times people used to wait online for movies like that and big sequels and all that stuff. I never did that and I don't know what movie would make anyone wait online.

You didn't, you don't strike me as someone who camped out all night. The only time my mom or dad ever waited in line was to get the new Xbox for Christmas or something like that or the new Nintendo. I think it was probably Super Nintendo back in the day when you had to wait like Best Buy or whatever. You know, we talk a lot about, you know, back in the day and like how things were so much better. And I do agree. However, that part is better. The fact that you don't have to go wait and tackle people online for a cabbage patch kid doll or something.

Tickle me Elmo. I remember was the one that people were fighting over. So, yeah. And also we got this week is, God, 1999, Phantom Menace came out. That was when people were waiting online. So we're going to talk about our favorite throwback three, movie sequels. You can go drama. You can go comedy. You can go anywhere you want. These are your personal, not the AFI list. Your personal movie sequels. And should we get one rule out of order? Can we do part three, part four? You have to, right? I think so. Yeah. I mean there's so many. Yeah. Sequels. At least I did. Another one. Okay. Only for one of them though. Throwback three movie sequels. Matt Liner. Go. There's way too many to choose from. But my, My third would be Batman Dark Night.

Absolutely. I think that's a universally one of the greatest movies. And by the way, I did. I love Star Wars when I was a kid. I just never followed up. And when my kids get back into it, I'm sure I'll rewatch all those. But you go back to Batman Dark Night. I think it was 2008.

Is that the ring a bell? Christian Bale, to me, the greatest Batman we've ever had. He sure was. You go Michael Keaton. You go all back in the day. But Christian Bail, the greatest Batman. man. And you had the late Heath Ledger, which gave the, you know, the award worthy, obviously, performance. So to me, that is one of the greatest sequels of all time. Number two, this one is

going to make you laugh because it's for sure as hell not going to be in your top three. Let's hear it. Top Gun Maverick. 30 years, 40 years later. That's why, because Top Gun is my top three movie of all time. It is just, it's one of the greatest movies ever. made in my opinion. I think a lot of people would agree it's a top 10 movie, right? Did you have Top Gun one on VCR tape? Like old school. Oh, for sure. Yeah. That's how you know. Top Gun, I've watched, if Top Gun is on TV right now, I'll go watch it if I have an hour and a half easily. So, when's the sequel? When's the sequel? When's the sequel? And I'm also like,

man, I don't want to fucking ruin the original Top Gun because most sequels aren't great. I thought when Top Gun Maverick came out and I might have seen it in the theater. because I was so excited. That was like the first movie too during COVID in the theater. I saw it with my dad and my brother. We were like, let's fuck. We hadn't seen a movie together.

We had been a movie in 10 years. And by the way, we walked out and I was like, holy shit, that was a great fucking movie. Miles Teller was great. Tom Cruise is great. So Top Gun Maverick to me. Well, real quick on the Miles Teller thing, too.

From an acting point of view, when you hear they're making that movie and they're going to have Goose's son, that's the fucking role that every 30, 28 to 35, five-year-old actors, like, I got to get that part. Shoutouts to Miles Teller. That was the part. They did a long search. I was like, Glenn Powell was in the mix for that.

I was going to say Glenn Powell. It was a great cast. That's the role every dude, like 28 to 35 is like, I got to be Goose's kid. I got to. Yeah. That was, so that's one of my favorites, man. That's another one. Like, I'd have watched right now. And then number one is Rocky Four. Rocky Four. Rocky Four. Rocky Four. Rocky Four. Rocky Four. And in the Cold War, let's go. the Cold War. It's, it's, again, it's a low-hanging fruit one because, in my opinion, there's a lot of great Rockies. I just think Rocky Four is the best. I always have.

The storyline, going to Russia, like, just everything about it, right? One of the most quotable ones beating Ivan Drago, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, it's just my, it's literally my top, probably two favorite movie of all time is Rocky Four. So I got Rocky Four, I got Top Gun Maverick and I got Batman Dark Knight as my great sequels. I can't let the Rocky thing go for a second. I got to talk. Number one, Rocky Four was one of the first movies I remember seeing in theaters.

I think it was not long after my dad passed away. And a neighbor's father, one of our friends, that took me, my brother and his son. And we saw it and I remember, Matt, I can close my eyes walking down the ramp of the theater.

And I just went up to my brother all fired up, put my hands up and I like popped him with a little jab. he turned around and punched me dead in the nose in the theater and flattened me. Bloody note, blood everywhere. The poor guy was doing a nice thing, taking two kids whose dad just died to the movie theater, and one of them just flattened his younger brother. He laid me out, busted nose everywhere. By the way, under-rated off of this is Creed.

The Creed movies are very good, too. That's a reboot to me, though, because they really took the series and retool- It's a reboot, but even like Creed 2, like, all of those Creed's are. really good to me. So the Rocky to the Creed reboot, I mean, fantastic. I mean, God, there's nine of them, right? Total. Like, those are all fantastic. I think I've watched Rocky 4th for the most. But in terms, I always judge to the Rockies, like, if you needed to get fired up for a workout, what Rocky Training Montage are you putting on? And the Rocky 4-1 and the snow climbing the mountain is up there. The beard. The beard. It's just so good, dude. It's just so good.

That's a great list. I think that's a very personal list. I love. It's personal. Top Guns personal. Yes, I know. I'm going to keep it personal for me. All right. I'm going to get the elephant out of the room. Godfather 2.

Great. A sequel I've made. We all know that. That would be on my list. I'm going to try to withstand from using. You know what? I'm keeping it on. That's Michael Jordan.

I have to put it on. I just watched it on a flight two weeks ago. So that we could put as my number one or whatever. My other two. Matt, Christmas vacation qualifies as a secret. It was the second one made in the National Lampoon's Christmas. Was it? What was the first?

First one they went to Wally World. That was just... That's a good catch by you. I wouldn't have done that. I wouldn't have known that. I probably watched that movie more than any other movie. Is Christmas Vacation a top two or three comedy of all time? For me, I'm going to say like, yes.

But again, it's personal to me. No, I think it's... It aged so differently now, watching it. with kids. Like, I put up the Christmas lights. I always turn the gym. Do you tell them to close their eyes? Come over here, Russ.

Come see the light. Jacob's like, why are you telling me? When the red bikini comes out of the pool, do you tell your boys to come out to turn away? Turn away. All right. That's a good one. My next one, I've watched this movie a hundred times.

I still talk about it. I think it's a great reference point to look back. Back to the future, too. Love the hoverboards. I still like wish there. I could, someone would come leave me the sports all. act so I could just basically quit everything and make a few million a year, just betting on games. I know the outcome too.

I know we didn't get hoverboards and age in a certain way, but just in terms of like the movie I- We should get hoverboards at some point. The movie I watched the most, Back to the Future, Part 2 was up there. And I prefer it more to even part one to some degree. I think when you're a kid, you don't appreciate Rocky one or back to the future one as much as you do when as an adult. I mean, but now as an adult.

70s, dude. And look, shout-outs to Rocky, too. You could argue that's the greatest sequel. By the way, they were all great. That movie doesn't get started until Adrian wakes up from the coma. And Mickey goes, what are we waiting for? That movie doesn't start.

So then there's only 20 minutes. So good throwback three. That's a good. That's a good. We got it. We're all over the place. That's good. I was very loud, brought all that.

Sorry, if you had your head fog. I just was fired up. And I'm curious to hear you guys out there push back on us. Best sequels of all time. Give us yours. I had honorable mention Terminator 2 could have been up there. I had Terminator 2 for Judgment Day for sure. I think when you're a kid, you don't appreciate Rocky 1 or back to the future one as much as you do when as an adult.

I mean, Rocky was in the 70s, dude. And look, shout-outs to Rocky 2. You could argue that's the greatest sequel. By the way, that movie doesn't get started until Adrian wakes up from the coma and Mickey goes, what are we waiting for? That movie doesn't start until then. then there's only 20 minutes. So, that's a good.

That's a good. That's a good. We got it. We got it. We're all over the place. It's good. I was very loud throughout all that. Sorry,

I was your headfoil. I just was fired up. And I'm curious to hear you guys out there push back on us. Best sequels of all time. Give us yours. I had honorable mentioned Terminator 2 could have been up there. I had Terminator 2 for judgment day for sure. And you know what I almost put?

But I just, I have only seen it five times. So I can't be my friend. Toy Story 3, which Quentin Tarantino said is like script-wise that's the best script for any movie ever I think he has it up there

is like the best screenplay of all time. I think Toy Story is that the first animated movie? Not the first but it's like one of the most the highest grossing animated movie of all time or is that Lion King?

I think at the time Toy Story is on the top of the list of something. Yes. Yeah. They all are great. I mean it's crushed. And Toy Story 5's coming out June 19th. You're going to take the boys to that one.

sure. All right, big thank you to Doug Ellen for joining us. Matt, we've never really previewed a guest, but I have pretty solid confirmation on our guest next week. I feel confident enough to put it out there. Yeah, let's go. Let's just say the lights might go out, baby. Lights out.

Sean Merriman. I'm fired up to talk to him. Also, cool entourage cameo. Also, I think someone uniquely qualified to talk about the football player doing other sports or fighting Logan. There will be a lot of fight talk next week. A lot of fight talk. So stick with us until next week for Sean Merriman.

And until that, we'll see you soon.