Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - From the Coliseum to the Cartel: Owen Hanson talks drugs, gambling, the cartel, prison and more

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Matt’s former USC teammate Owen Hanson joins the show and discusses his journey from a walk on with the Trojans championship team to running international drug and gambling rings with the Sinola cartel and his new documentary Cocaine Quarterback on Prime Video. Owen talks his humble beginnings and life on campus at USC during their championship runs and how his desire to keep up with the in crowd led him to a darker path. A life of decrypted phones and meetings with “El Jefe,” private jets, sex drugs and rock and roll followed before Owen’s ultimate downfall and he covers it all on Part 1 of this candid and vulnerable conversation.   Plus, Matt and Jerry try to decide what’s the best sports documentary of all time. Later  Annie Agar joins the show to talk Bill Bellichick on the cover of US Weekly, the worst Pakcers loss in ages and the guys take their shot at more Twisted Trivia.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Wake up with Wendy’s breakfast https://www.wendys.com/breakfast    Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations    DoorDash Win weekly with DoorDash Streaks! Order every Saturday, save up to $250 during College Football Season. Terms Apply.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You become a dealer, a bookie. You get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world. How much money were you making a day? It was a million dollars a day. Man, holy, bro. Welcome on in, everybody. Throwbacks. Don't forget to give us follow us at Throwback Show, all social media on YouTube at Throwback Show as well. Sorry if I seem a little jittery to be that. You a little squirley, bro? Take it away, man. We have an unbelievable guest today. This story, which y'all are going to hear, and by the way, in two parts because it's that good. This is a guy whose life is so nuts, guys. It could be a movie. And that's exactly.

what Mark Wahlberg did in Amazon with the new doc, cocaine quarterback, signal caller for the cartel premiering on prime video today. Former All-American Top 50 volleyball recruit at Redondo Union High School, then received a scholarship to play at USC, eventually walked on to the Trojan football team where he and I became teammates and became buddies, won a couple national championships together. Obviously, there's a lot more to this story. It is unbelievable, especially after this, after USC. is when it really became a movie

International Drug and Gambling Rings Encrypted phones, cartels, prison, ice cream made in prison mop buckets and so much more Our guest today, Jerry, O'Dog, Owen Hanson,

otherwise known as the cocaine quarterback. Yeah, part one of a two-part sit-down And I'll just say before we roll it, the only time I've been nervous to interview anyone was this one because I just did not know what we were walking into. And I watched the documentary before talking with them.

And whoa. Also, after that, we got Annie Agar joining us for some more twisted tea trivia. But let's just get to it because this is a good one. Owen Hansen, the cocaine quarterback right now on throwbacks. Buckle up. Let me just give this title real quick to you. Kid from the South Bay. You end up at USC volleyball to football where we became teammates.

You win championships. In that time, you become somewhat of a dealer of all sorts. And again, I didn't know this at the time. You become a bookie. You get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world. Money laundering, drug kingpin. You end up in prison for almost a decade. You start your own incredible business from prison, which we're going to talk about later.

You have a dock coming out on Amazon called Cocaine Quarterly. where you were essentially the quarterback for the cartel man holy bro made it and you're here i made it you made it you made it you're alive and you're here like i don't know when you hear all that stuff like like your mind's got to be got it has to go to a lot of different spots definitely you know if you don't believe in god you better start yeah because uh wow i should have never made it out alive and then, you know, a sentence to 21 years in federal prison and a life sentence in Australia. And here I am with my held quarterback.

Wow. We got the policy in bumming. We were, I was talking to Jerry. I'm like, I'm almost positive the last time I saw an O-Dog. We go O by O'Dog, O'N, by O'Dong, was at my golf tournament. And I'm thinking, like, this must have been right before all this shit went down because it was like, I think it was like 2013 or 14. 2014.

And I remember. And it was like, The O-Dog's coming. You donated to my charity. Hancock is there. Are some of our boys? You're playing golf. And, like, at some point, because I don't know if we were in the same

for some point, but at some point, I hear like, yeah, O-Dog's got like 50 grand cash. Like, he's like, I think you probably at some point was like, hey, Maddie, you want to f*** that something? I'm like, no, bro. I'm good. But that was the last time I saw you was 12 years ago. Wow. I brought that cash to hustle some of your charity guys.

And did you? Did you hustle? I won 20 grand that day. Did you? I hustled one of Hancock's buddy. and they're like cano dog he got us you playing per hole or was it just like an overhaul and we'd ride it you know we'd say hey

you know 5,000 here rollovers would go to 10 and then eventually you get to 18 and you're at 20 now oh and like I was telling you off the air before we started but the dock I watched like I watched the first two at home and when I flew here I'm watching the final episode we're going to try today not to step on too much of the dock because we want people to watch it and be surprised but there's so much there I don't think we can

actually step on anything because you have so many other layers to your story. I was on the plane watching the final episode of your doc chewing on my nails. My wife's sitting in the aisle next week because of our kids. She's like, what are you watching? I'm like, babe, I'll tell you about it later. You need to watch this. This dude's story is absolutely crazy. And we're talking to him on the pod. So, you know, first of all, I don't probably watch the doc back, but I even talking off the there's even like so much to your story that's probably not in the dock right at this point there's definitely a lot um you know we were hoping for a six part but amazon davis three part definitely could have been a six part but uh there's a lot of stuff they left off you know like the

bookmaking right um the gambling's so big now you know i spent nearly a decade in federal prison so this dock is just the tip of the iceberg well in then in watching the early one right like i obviously i was like your story from where you grew up and then you know you're in this heavily, heavily recruited volleyball player and you go to SC, right? Because you had letters to a lot of different schools for volleyball. It wasn't just like, oh, I got one place.

You kind of had a choice from a lot of different D1 schools, right? Pepperdine, which was a good volleyball school. BYU, University of Hawaii offered me a full ride. So I had that choice, right? And I always tell people, man, what if I would have just stuck with going to Hawaii? I probably wouldn't be here today.

Right. It's almost like... It was that USC. I was actually going to ask the question of like, if you or if you never walked on to the football team which is a crazy which is a big part of your story but you walked on because you met everybody and you kind of got you've got exposed to sort of like this lifestyle right through all of us like we maddie we were red carpet every we were living we were living the dream we like a thursday night we're in in hollywood if you

Josh Richmond's put in the red carpet we had Josh Josh Josh is awesome yeah dude he's a legend he is a legend we like if you never if you never even play football and That's right, because that's so you can get into stuff. And we all, we were probably, we were boys, even if you weren't on the football team. But like, if you never play football at USC, you probably wouldn't be here today. You probably would have done something else. And that's, it's wild. I probably would have been somewhere, you know, working a nine to five, working maybe a real estate developer, what I enjoyed to do.

But I always tell people, like, man, if I didn't play football, like Matt just said, and I wasn't around, all my friends are going to the NFL draft. You know, Matt has a big contract. Reggie has a big contract, Sean Cody, Frosty, all these guys that were hanging out with Mike Williams. Yeah. And I'm, like, where do I fit in, right? And it was already like that because when I went to USC, I was already the son of construction worker. So it's already like, okay. Chip on the shoulder a little bit.

Yeah, everyone has a silver spoon. So how am I going to make it? And that whole time I was like chasing. Like, how am I going to fit in? Like, how am I going to survive? And that's why I got into hustling, you know, gram bags for my fraternity brothers, you know, steroids for my teammates and the list goes on, you know. I remember going to Cabo San Lucas on a spring break. You know, I'll never forget this. I'm like, how am I going to make money to be able to

party with all these kids, right? I'm like, dude, I'm just going to figure it out. And I remember going to where I'm from, Redondo Beach, and there's, there's a rough side, and northside Redondo, which is a little rougher. It used to be rougher. Now it's not as rough. And I remember these kids I went to high school with, you know, gang members. I'm like, dude, I need a favor. I need you guys to hook me up with some blow and some ecstasy. I said, front it to me. And they did it. They said, here you go. And I remember, dude, I just

I said, I'm going to figure out how to get these drugs into Cabo San Lucas for the spring break. Same, by the way. People usually don't bring drugs in. There's dogs at the airport, too, wait, and wow. So how did you do it? So I did it, dude. I strapped on. I got our compressor shorts that we got it on the football team, these Nike compressor shorts. I made them nice and tight. You know, they were a size small.

And I just wrapped it, wrapped it, wrapped it, wrapped it, and just put it, put it where it needs to go, right? And I'm not going to say where, but it went there. It's where it needs to go. We, listen, not the hole now. Knock it off, man. Come on, man. So I said, you know what?

As long as I push that, that green button, when you go in the call it, it's a pass-air, you know, green or red. As long as that thing goes green, I'm good. And I talk about it in the book, the California kid, because I was nervous. All my fraternity brothers are looking at me like, dude, are you okay, bro?

I'm like sweating. It's like midnight express. You get caught in Mexico. Oh, yeah. You're going to a Mexican person. There's no rules. Yeah, there's no rules. And I remember I push that passe, right?

I was like, oh, yeah. And literally the next guy behind me hit red. I was like, oh, wow. Well, I just made it. I made it by one? I made it by one. And I remember that trip. I was like, okay, I'm good.

Like, I remember, I think I made like 10. thousand dollars on that trip and I sold a gram for a hundred dollars and I sold an ecstasy pill for 20 and I think I had like two ounces so 56 grams and then I had 300 ecstasy pills and I was people were just looking at me like dude that's the man right there and I remember the first day on the beach it was the mango deck right the office down there office dude people were coming up to me great spot and Jerry I felt like the man I had every chick from Arizona State Arizona you UCLA, everybody wanted to hang out with O'Dock.

And I was like, dude, this is the life. Like, it just brought me like, to the next level. Well, because that's what I think is so unique about your story, too, because, you know, a lot of times it just boils down to, all right, well, you just wanted to make money. Yes, of course. But, like, there is other things that come to it. It is a powerful feeling. It is a feeling of, like, not that you fit in, but you more than fit in.

People are seeking you. out to get what you're kind of providing and like early on with the doc which I wanted to ask you when you were playing volleyball and I don't know you tell because you were so highly recruited and then you get to SC to play volleyball and like everyone's kind of great right you're great but everyone's everyone's great at the sport you wouldn't be at SC if you weren't Jerry I won two national championships at 17 and 18 years old on the beach national championship yeah that's unheard of right yeah gold medals as a beach volleyball player Then I go and play at Redondo High, which, you know, Matt's son goes there now.

And I become this All-American top 50 player in America for volleyball, which is pretty pretty pretty, pretty, pretty, daily breeze player the late year. So I'm like, cool, I'm going to have a good career. You get to USC and guess what? Everyone's All-Americans. That's everyone's story from wherever they're from. I'm playing behind Brooke Billings, who's an Olympian, All-American jumps 45 inches, you know. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not that good, you know. And I was the shortest guy on the team.

I was 6-3 with the 37-inch vertical. And you were the shortest guy on the team. That's crazy. And I was like, man, it was a bummer because you go there for volleyball. And I remember that day they called me in the office. And they said, Hansen, we got to cut you. We're going to redshirt you. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cut me? I came here to play volleyball. You guys paid me to come here. You're telling me you're cutting me? I'm like, fuck that. He's like, Hansen, you got to work on your vertical jump. and your arm strength and i was so mad that day jerry i remember i said you know what i'm going to show him and that day i drove down to to actually i drove down to redondo beach the gold's gym

yeah i went to the biggest body blue there and i said hey what do you recommend yeah i said i need to work on my vertical and my arm strength and he starts listing all these steroids i'm like the light bulb went off i'm like okay that's my way that's my path i'm going to show my coach that I have a vertical and I have an arm, you know, a swing, like a whip, right? So the guy gave me this list what I needed and that's what I did. All right, quick break because it's time for the fresh take of the week presented by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's breakfast. So we got Owen on talking documentaries.

His documentary is going to be awesome. And it got us thinking, what are some of the best sports documentary? that are out there. I know what my number one is and I have two others that are like definitely my favorites but I do have an all time no doubter

and I'm gonna save it for the end would you like to give us a few first? Yeah, I'll give you my three. I'll start, I have the same one, no doubter. I'm gonna go Kobe Bryant Mews 2015. Again, I mean people know this by me by now.

I mean, I have Kobe all over in the background favorite athlete. I just love because he was so like he was so difficult it's kind of like tiger right he was so polaroys and you didn't really know a lot about him at times he was so private and to himself so anytime those things popped up i was just fascinated obviously rest and peace to the go uh the second one o j simpson made in america i mean that might be the best documentary i mean it's not even sports just ever of any documentary yeah i mean i

don't know what else to say about it's just one of the greatest docs ever it's just it's a crazy story. And then number one, and by far in a way, and I don't think you have this as number one, which is a shame, is the last dance by Michael Jordan. In a time where COVID, the whole world shut down, there was only one thing, one thing in the world that people couldn't wait for it to come out. And it was the last dance. Remember, they dropped an episode, I think, every week. I know I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait for the next one. I can't wait for the next one. And it lived up to the hype. So MJ's last dance for me is the greatest sports doc of all time. That's up there for me too. That also like there's a lot of Nick's trauma in that for me. So I, but I sit through it.

I have a traumatic one as my number three. And I, this is what I was saying like, I don't think just because I should put my favorite teams in there, but the comeback about the 04 Red Sox, which I watched recently and I talked about on the pod, that is an incredible sports doc. If you just wanted to be about the sport and the rivalry. Then this one is a personal favorite for me when we were kings Ali Foreman rumble in the jungle shot on film it's just like it's a time capsule

to a different time and then the best sports documentary of all time and I would fight till the end with anyone on this hoop dreams and if you haven't seen hoop I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it you gotta watch hoop

like hoop dreams walked so all these other sports documentaries could run it just was so ahead of it so what made it What makes it so good? Well, again, sports documentaries were not very popular back then. You didn't get tons of them, but there was no 30 for 30s. Obviously, it's long before social media. And there was no AAU basketball, really.

So these were two prime young athletes that they started watching from like fifth grade. And they watched them from fifth grade through like college. It's like it spans their life over 10 years of their career. One kid went to like a private prep school. The other kid went to like a tough, public school and which kid was going to have the better career was sort of like versus the private school versus the public school. It's awesome. Yeah, follows two inner city Chicago teenagers Arthur Agee. Arthur Agee and William Gates from ages 14 to 18 documenting their struggles

to become college basketball players on the road to professionalism. All right. You should watch that where you go. Yeah, watch that on your wherever you're traveling to this weekend. It's an awesome one. I'll watch it. All right. Shoutouts to Wendy's. Let's get back to Owen Then you went down to Mexico, right? And for me, this is really where, like, the doc kicks off because, like, I'm enjoying your whole backstory. Like, and I understand your story, too. We're very different stories, but, yeah, I grew up in a place in Brooklyn where it's, like, it's rough. Everyone's, like, chasing the same quarter, so to speak.

But then you go down there and you're bringing something back with you, right? And you talk about those nerves and, like, what happens to you as you're trying to cross customs back to a minute? and when you got through in the dock you have this look on your face like holy shit i did it and is part of your story too that rush that you get from pulling something like that off you know which most people in the world probably 99.9% of people in the world do not have the balls to even attempt and here you are you attempted it and you did it and now it's just on yeah you know as an athlete right you're competitive your life so now it's like i want to win i want to win i want to beat the feds across the border just to say I did it right and then I remember that day coming

across into the United States was the first time I've ever smuggled anything into the United States Mexico was easy right you're not they're not looking for it but coming into the U.S. That's a big problem and I tell people man that day I came through and the customs asked if I'm bringing anything back and my heart just dropped right and this is strapped to you again right this strapped me again same way and and I said no sir where did you go oh we were we were at Pappas and beer. Harmless. Harmless, right?

It's a good line, right? It's better than tell them when I was at Adelitas or Hong Kong bar. So I was like, I was like, I was at a popas and beer, Rosarito. And they're like, welcome back. And I was like, fuck, yeah, baby. I'm back, baby.

I'm back. I said, do they even know what's going to be happening now? So you go, so like Jerry said, the rush that you got was like, And then immediately you're probably a light bulb is like, was that before or after the spring break? Where did those? So that was after.

So you would are, but you said smuggling into Cabo or Mexico was, it became easy. Yeah. The Cabo was easy for me because I wasn't worried because it's, they're not looking for people bringing in drugs. Yeah. So I already knew that I had that going.

But of course you're still worried you're going to get pushed that red button. But I wasn't as bad, but I already had that mindset. Like, if I could go in, I could come out. So I remember, I was like, man, I just made it through the border. And it just kind of, that light bulb went off. Like, okay, that was a rush. Was that, is that, so, like, I think the big part, too, is like,

and then this is where you start to take the steroids. You get fucking jacked. You walk on for the football team. And that's where our relationship and all our boys kind of started. You talk about it in the dock, but just describe that because that was a big decision you made and that opened you up to a whole lot of shit

because we were fucking, we were kings. It's like the Beatles, right? No, but I'm just saying like everyone, everyone, I'm sure they asked you, everyone asked me like, what was it like that? Then I'm like, honestly, it felt normal because that's all we knew. That's what you knew.

But then looking back, I'm like, shit. It's not normal. No, you see videos now like of us partying. You're like, damn, we were rock stars. So that moment you realize the light bulb, okay, wow, I can do this shit. Wow, this is pretty cool. this makes me feel kind of powerful.

Then you feel powerful because you're on the football team. Like, just that time in your life, like describe that. That was the greatest time of my life, right? You were unstoppable. Like, I felt like Superman. I was taking steroids. I was sniffing cocaine. I was dating the hottest chicks in every sorority.

And I was part of the USC football team, man. Like, it doesn't get any better that. Two national championships, might I add. You know, I think we lost one game, right, Matt, to Cal, three times. So three overtimes, three overtimes, right? Three overtimes for them to win. So I remember, like, dude, I said, this is life. Like, where do you go from here, right?

Do you remember the first time meeting? Like, who's this, like, because you were the only, for the walk-on, you were the only person who walked on that year, right? And then the next year was playing Matthews. You know what was crazy about watching the dock, dude? And it actually made me, I was telling you, it made me a little bit emotional, dude, because I was like, like, oh, fit in right away, I think.

I don't remember, like, we had our boys, like, we were just fun, dude, and like, O-Dog fit in right away to everybody, you know, just like, and maybe, like, watching them, maybe it was because you were trying to fit in so much because I didn't know your- But I was a chameleon, you know? You were a chameleon, like, yeah.

Like, oh, it was just fucking, he was just fun, he was like, whatever. But I never, I never really knew that you probably, that you were doing all this shit, like, wow, we were hanging and stuff. Well, it's just like, Jerry, it's not something you want to tell your husband. So you probably trying to stay a little low.

I appreciate you on it. Like there's people like my dad and mother to this day. They're like, we didn't have a clue. I'm like, yeah, mom, that's not something I'm going to tell you. You know, I have to. How active were you like on campus kind of like this, I guess you could call it a side hustle at the time, right? Like, dude, it was a side hustle. Like I said, I just wanted to pay for those drinks at the 9-0 or 28th Street Cafe.

It was just, dude, it was just started like that because, dude. I'm not sure we ever paid for a drink at the night. I didn't, oh, he did it, but your date, right? You just want to be the man. Like, here, let me get you that. But, dude, I just wanted it to cover my expenses because my mom and dad, they didn't give me anything. Yeah.

And I was like, this is how I'm going to get by. This is like my hustle. And I planned it so well, I remember, I was living at the Beta Theta Theta Pi fraternity house. And I planned it so well, we'd go to, we had double days in the summer, right? And I would have my fraternity brother who lived with me at the Beta House.

I'd like, okay, I weighed out all the grams for them. You know, there would be like 300 grams in this. Soctuary, and I'd be like, okay, there's ecstasy here, there's Xanax here, there's Adderall here. Remember, every 20 grams you sell, you get one on the house. Every 20 ecstasy pills, you get one of the house. Yeah, I gave him the commission, right? So he's like, dude, dude, this is awesome.

Thanks so much. How much were you selling those for? Dude, I was, dude, the grams were like, I think 60 bucks, right? In a gram, the dealer down the street at, like, Arco Gas was, like, selling it to these fraternity kids for like $100 a gram, right? So I undercut the market. and my stuff was way better. These guys were stepping on their stuff.

But it wasn't even me selling it, right? I just sat back and I would go to practice, I remember? And I'd come back, he's like, oh, fucking yaked out of his mind. I'm like, what's the matter, bro? He goes, we have a problem. I go, what's the problem? He goes, we're out of Coke. I said, that's a good problem to have.

That means we're out of, yeah, we sold all our inventory. That means you've had like three grams yourself. Well, you don't want to hear we're out of coat and there's not. money yeah oh there was money there's a problem that you pull the sock drawer and literally there's just 20s full you know that back when people use cash there there's so many moments in your story which were like unpacking it all but in that time was there living the dream powerful having fun going going off like was there a moment in that time too where it was like not a scary moment but you're like oh shit like this could fucking end up bad or i could get one of my teammates in

trouble or just was there ever that early on you know because i know it hits you later on listen there wasn't that moment i'll tell you why because my mindset was like this as soon as i'm done with college i already know a USC alumni is going to hire me yes which happened yeah and i said that's it i'm turning it off right this is a college thing this is like how i just get some cash yeah i did that jerry yeah i showed up i remember my first job interview was with gary saffity who you know lived next to mark actually and uh dude i showed up with that national championship ring And dude, I was hired on the spot. Yeah.

I remember I think he paid me like, you know, 60,000 a year plus commission. I was like, dude, this is it. And put that side hustle away. I was happy. Life was good. And you were going to sell real estate. I was good at real estate workers, the developer. Yeah.

And then 2007. Seven market crash. I remember they called me in the office and they're like, you're the first one to go. I mean, how can you argue it? The market just crashed. Yeah. And I scrambled. You know, I did what I did in college.

I said, okay. what am I going to do like this is how am I going to survive yeah and survive yeah and then I was like dude you know what I want to be a bookie like you know you've always been that that gangster life you've always thought like you've watched Goodfellow's Scarface and you've always wanted to be like like them right and you know sports you know yeah we know sports we know it well we know everybody right you know so I say I think that would be the perfect job for me and I remember my father had an Italian bookmaker friend and I said dude that's that Italian bookmaker friend I said, that's the play right there.

I'm going to go ask Tony. That's what I say? That's your only connection to... That was the only connection. To that, right? And he didn't want to do it. He said, no way, man. You just graduated from USC.

I said, man, this is temporary. I just lost my job. I said, please, Sony. I begged him. Dude, it took me like three sit downs with him to finally convince him. He's like, all right, I'll do it, but just temporary. And it snowballed. What was the first?

Do you start, like, running a sheet almost, like where you're... A running a sheet? He's giving me like... He's given me, you know, 20% he's given me. And he's like, go get your clients. And I started going to the football players that are now in the NFL, you know, guys that played baseball at SC now in the major leagues. Guys that have to be a little more discreet when they're placed in some bets.

And that's probably what you did well. I bet you kept it. I was very well. Because I was already had that gangster tension. And you were an athlete, too. It's like you're one of them. You know, you have the championship. We're in.

I golf with them and they feel like they're me. Yeah. So then I started going after all these, like, fraternity brothers that all have daddy's money. So now I was starting to build this network And I remember I went after One of the general contractors That was working for the developer And I used to see him bet on the games

Like $20,000 a game And I'm gonna get that guy's business So I went to him I said hey you know I lost my job I said I watched you gamble on sports I've heard you on the phone What if I gave you a line

Give you a website, gave you a number And I gave you a $100,000 credit line And I remember that That was the first whale I got, and the guy lost, I think, the first week, he lost 90,000. And you got to remember, I'm 21 years old. And then the next week, 100,000, I'm like, okay, this is my calling. And he's paying on, like, you're not even having no. Yeah, I'm giving him free plays.

Like, he loses a hundred. Anything he wants. He loses a hundred. I'm like, here's 10,000 free play. Good luck. Here's a bottle of vodka. Here's a Coke. Here's a hooker.

Like, whatever he wanted, he got. Like, he was the man. Like, to me, that was like, this is my whale. And then I try to ask this, the Italian, I said, dude, you got to bump my commission up. I said, I just collected a million dollars in six months for you. I said, you got paid $800,000. I got paid $200,000. And I said, I'm doing all the...

These are my customers. Yeah. I'm like, sorry. I'm like, okay, you guys want to play me like that? I'm going to figure out a way to do this myself. And that's when I flew down to Costa Rica, the mecca of sports betting. Yeah. And I figured it out, man.

I went door to door. And you're on your own now at this point. I'm on my own. You don't have like three or four dudes with you who know the business as well. You are independent. It's just me. That's crazy. That's why they call me O-Dog.

Bet. O-Dog.com was my website. I shock. I feel like I know that west. It's not the first time I heard that. It was a big website. Dude, we got big, man. It got really big.

So those guys that ended up teaching me the business ended up getting busted by the feds. So it's the domino effect. Once they got busted, I took all their clients. So I was like literally, I had 2,000 customers in 2, in 2012, 2013, 14. I ran the whole United States. I mean, I had Paris Hilton betting with me. You know, it's crazy.

I had some big, a lot of A-list celebrities, a lot of baseball players, a lot of UFC fighters. You'd be surprised. You know, I mentioned it in the book, who was gambling with me. But it's incredible that, you know, I was able to turn that bad opportunity with the recession and flip it around.

Well, that's like the sliding door. And you could say this about anyone's story, really, because obviously, like, if the real estate market doesn't crash, you very well might just still right now be a just real estate tycoon sitting here, right? Or even if like, if your Italian buddy is like, you know what? Yeah, I'll bump you up to 40%. You might just like, cool, I'll work with this well and I'll wait for the economy to come back and I'll go back to that.

Like, so many different moments where, you know, the path could have changed, but sometimes the world's lining up in a certain way that you want to say like it's intentionally pushing you in that direction, but, you know, so many different things could have, doors could have closed that could have changed the course of your history. Yeah, and I think now that once you go on your own, you want to be your own, right? Then you taste that, right? You see, like, okay, I actually could do this without anyone. I'm not going to work for someone and wear a suit, nine to five.

That doesn't sound exciting. So once you just taste that. And then, you know, you start going international with this thing. Like I'm like, okay, I'll go to Mexico. I'll go to China. Wherever. Whoever wants to bet with me, bet with me. You know, I got cocky.

And one of my bookies that worked was underneath me, he had a customer out of Mexico. That's just, this is where this thing turned bad, Jerry. This is where it turned bad, man. This is where you meet. It's like Henry Hills and your house. Yeah. This is, uh. Exactly.

That's a good, good, good way. Like I'm telling you, Karen, those helicopters are following me. They're like, you're crazy. Yeah, you're right. That's Henry Hill right there. So just start booking bets. And unbeknownst to me, I'm booking bets for the most infamous cartel lieutenant at the time. I'm not going to say the name.

I never say the name, obviously for safety reasons. But I don't have a clue because like I told you when we were speaking earlier, I don't care who my bookies have as customers. As long as they're paying. Right. He's taking his percentage. I'm taking mine. Everyone's happy.

When you're getting bags of cash, $250,000 on a Monday, you don't care. You just say keep giving that guy his free plays, whatever he wants. We'll provide the service for him. And finally, Jerry, he finally had a five pick in. I think it was the Raiders parlay. He was going to crack me for like $250, $2.60 on a Sunday. He's finally going to hit, but you want him to. If you don't let him hit, then guess what?

They're going to quit. Eventually, they'll be like, I'm done. Yeah. I was like, come on, baby. Please, please. I want to show him. You're rooting for him. And people look at me like, why would you root for him? Like, dude, you don't know this business. Yeah, this is the business. I want to give him back some money. And I called his subbookie. I said, get your ass over here right now. I said, I'm going to have a bag of cash. I said, as soon as this game's over, I said, come Monday morning, give him that bag of cash. 8 a.m. I don't care if he's still sleeping. Which does not happen. Doesn't happen in the bookie business. Does not happen. But you didn't know he was. I didn't know at the time. Didn't have a class. Didn't have a call. clue. But I knew it was a VIP customer to me. That's all I cared about. It could have been a doctor. I didn't care, right? And he showed up and he paid him at 8 a.m. And I remember a week went by. And he says, hey, my uncle said, you do really good business. And I said, your uncle, he goes, yeah, that's my customer. And this agent of mine is a Mexican. I'm like,

okay, cool. I'm glad. Oh, by the way, and he gives me an encrypted phone. He wants to speak to you. I said, wait a minute. I don't even know what the encrypted phone is, right? Beating, man, oh my gosh, got nervous. They'd be like, look at it, like, what am I supposed to do with this? Has no microphone, no camera. It's just like a brick, right? The thing goes, he goes, okay, this is your password.

You got like three passwords to get into this thing. Holy shit. And like, opening it up and sure enough, he says, man, you spoke English, half English, half Spanish. Owedo, you do good business. me a nombre is you know what's his name fake name of course and he uh he says i want to see if you can do some business for me and i'm like yeah what this is a VIP customer whatever you want like whatever you want you want to keep the game going going to i want this guy losing a quarter million every week right and he says i like how you do business he says can i pay you 10% to move some

cash for me i'm like yeah no problem he's like sometimes i need a hundred thousand in san diego 100,000 in New York, 100,000 in Florida. Whatever the number may be, he goes, whatever you drop off, I'll pay you 10%. I'm like, dude, this is easy. I'm a bookie. I have money all over the U.S. I have agents all over, every state pretty much.

So for me, it's just a phone call. You're providing a service for a client. I'm like, no problem. Hey, New York, hey, drop off 100 grand down on 6th Street. Boom, 100 grand dropped off. Get on the encrypted phone. It's done. Okay, where do you want the 110?

Because he's paying me 10%. I said, send it to my office in Costa Rica. So it was just a well-oiled machine, right? I'm making 10% a day, you know. And eventually it started getting bigger and bigger. One time he had me pick up a million dollars. And then I made $100,000 in a day, minus my fees for the private jet and the two security I brought with me. So it's like, fuck, this is, this is fun for me.

Like, it's fun. Like, I feel like I'm not doing anything illegal. Right. But you get in the rush feeling? It's the same rush. It's the same rush. It's that same rush when I came across that border, right? Yeah.

I'm like, okay, this was fun. Like hiring the private jet company telling the pilot, the pilot telling me I can't have guns on the plane, right? And telling my security, like, guys, put those in the car, you know, and getting off that plane and picking up that money and looking around like, am I going to get attacked? Like, you know something bad's going on, but you don't, you're still haven't touched those drugs. You know, you've got to keep that in mind. So in my mind, I'm just a really good money laundering person. So, dude, it was just, it was. was just like business 101 for me. It was like, okay, I'm good at this. You know, I'm going to

figure out of a way, whatever this guy wants. I mean, he's now losing money on the sports book, and he's just basically paying me, you know, between $10,000 and $100,000 a day. Okay, joining us now, as she always does, Annie Agar, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. We're going to play Twisted Trivia, which Matt has been dominant thus far. I'm I'm going to make my big comeback. Annie, how are you? I've been better. There's been better weeks.

No, I'm good. We're on to week four. Everything's going to be fine. Who did you guys lose to last week? You know, Matt, I don't remember. I don't, you know, it's not definitely the Browns because that would be embarrassing. As a week three game, does that hurt more because it's the Browns and just the lowly

browns or is it just like, hey, we'll move on. It's a loss. We move on. Like to you as a fan. It's the worst possible setup. because of the first two games prior. If we'd played mediocre, the first two, we played two contending teams.

And you destroyed them. And destroyed them to then lose to the Cleveland Browns. But hey, you launched Quincyon Junction's career. They now have a runoff. And the Browns should be two and one. I hope everybody who has them in fantasy is happy. The Browns are a field goal kicker away from being two and one. And they have a really good defense at home.

That's the thing. It's not even their offense. I would say their offense put up actually just three points on. Have you seen the conspiracy theories, though, that the, I mean, what was Jordan Lund? Some of those plays were like, whoa. Didn't they say they're investigating it? I'm pretty sure that was a fake account because. I thought so, too.

I don't think that's someone who took an adjusted line. I mean, that sack on third and one was packed. I took an adjusted line parlay and I moved the Packers down to minus two and a half. I was thinking the same thing while watching that game slip away. Think of all the people in their survivor pools that the Packers literally screwed them the entire, because I'm pretty sure they got all the other games, right? Everything kind of one is planned. They crushed a lot of people.

Guys, see how they bounce back. I want to because. I want to ask you guys a question. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. What's more, what's more shocking? The Colts being 3 and O and Daniel Jones playing like an MVP or Bill Belichick being on the cover of Us magazine. What's more shocking? That's a great question. You know what? At this point, I would, nothing with Bill surprises me. So I'd probably say Daniel Jones, man. I'm pretty surprised at the Belichick thing.

The Matrix is really broke. Listen, when you've made the cover of us, you've made it. You've made it in the tabloids. Or you have a lot of issues in your life. That would have been the biggest underdog betts, like most likely person five years ago, to be on the cover of us weekly. That's crazy. Bill Belichick would be like, I don't know, the biggest odds of all time.

That's crazy. I was just checking. Just checking. It resonated more when he showed me it, too, because when you hear it, you're like, oh, it's just Bill. No, it's like, he like posed and everything. In his top 100 NFL, like all-time jacket, too. It's great.

It's a bill. So weird. Yeah, it's crazy. All right. I don't even know if we should talk NFL after that. Maybe we should just go right to trivia because I need to bounce back. Let me get the twisted T. There are no Bill Belichick questions in here.

Okay. I got my hat on. I'm locked in this week, Matt. Let's do it, Annie. All right, buddy. Question number one. Who was the last NFL MVP that was not a quarterback? Last NFL MVP.

Adrian Peterson? Yes. Wow. Let's go. It's the hat. It's the hat. NFL MVP. Okay.

Who has thrown for the most interceptions in NFL history? Brett Farr. Yeah. I said Brett first. That was a close one. No way. Check the tape. We'll both take that one.

I was going to say that was like a half a second off. Okay. Number three. Who is the only player in NFL? history to average over 100 rushing yards per game. This is a ways back. Jim Brown?

Oh my gosh. You guys are on fire today. It's the hat. By the way, that is the luckiest guess I've ever heard in my life. Luckyest guest, well, Jim Brown had a short career with unbelievable numbers. So if he just do the

math in your mind, less games. Wow. Give a better chance of keeping that average. Wow. I see how, I see where your brain went there. That's good. It's the hat. Just a route. This is when the team shows up after two bad weeks. By the way, you're two and one.

It's not a route. You're up to one. I did say Brett Farve before you. No, you did not. We'll let it go because I'm a generous guy today. Who was the last running back to be named offensive rookie of the year? I know this one because it's like deceiving, I think. Todd Gurley.

No. Would you say it's deceiving like someone you would not have imagined? Or it's pretty typical? It's pretty. last running back to be named offensive rookie of the year Rookie. McAfrey?

No. Derek Henry. Jerry's going to love this answer. I'll tell you that. Sequan Barclay. Oh, Sequan Barclay. Yeah. I got it.

I was about to cuss at you, but I won't do it. There you go. Two and two. For all that, you're being up on me. We're two and two. All right. This is it.

This is the tiebreaker, gentlemen. Who was the last number one overall pick to win rookie of the year? No. Not Cam Newton. No. it's not Andrew Luck is it it's not no I know because

RG3 No he wasn't number one pick he was number two Andrew he was in the same draft as Andrew Luck Yeah Last number one pick to win MVP No offense to win rookie of the year Offensive rookie of the year

It's like It's what I mean It's your pet You're around there Like timing wise Nope He wasn't a number one pick It's kind of surprised

Oh yeah Number one pick number one pick Yeah Trevor Lawrence Number one pick No Maybe for most interception Give us a hint, give us a hint

He would be on the short list of people That's your hit That's your hit He would be on Tyler Murray Yeah Sorry Matt that was a bad hand Oh sure

I see what you were doing Tall guys don't think about short Like he didn't know what that meant Tyler Murray I know I've had that joke said to me before. So that's why I was able to snap into action. Matt, being 6.5 and Air Force 1 wouldn't know what that meant.

Are you guys? How tall are you, Jerry? You're the same height. Five, six. Jerry's five, six on a good day. When he has... Well, I have shrunk about an inch. I have shrunk for bad posture. I used to be 5.7. Yeah, we all have. As per my license. Wow. But that surprised me. I didn't know he won rookie the year. Neither did I. I didn't know he had a good

rookie guy. I think he did. I think he did. Then it went downhill and now he's back. Our short kings... They're playing good. Well, I feel like the hat brought me back. Shoutouts to Twisted Tea. I would crack one right now, but we got some more work to do. During the Volvo Fall Experience event, discover exceptional offers and thoughtful design

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a whale, a VIP customer. We know he's into a legal activity. I can guess, I'm no dummy. I'm picking up money from Mexicans. Like, that's okay, Mexican, Mexico, okay, I'm putting it together. And then the true one was when he told me on the encrypted phone, how would you like to make a million dollars a day? You got to remember, man, I'm 25.

You know, this is where my career as a cocaine quarterback became better than Matt's career as a quarterback. You know, it really did. You know, Matt played for four teams and I played for one, cartel and started getting paid a million dollars a day to do the same thing in australia now and uh i remember getting to australia and i'm like okay and you never been to australia at this point right never been like new new new surroundings for you what's your like what's a day-to-day like when you're moving a fucking million dollar or you're making a million a day you're living this

high life because it does you do kind of touch on the dock a little bit like you're on top of the world. But at that point, you know who you're involved with. You know, you're probably doing some bad shit, but like, I don't care. I'm doing this. Like, what's that, what's a day-to-day like for you in that, in that time of your life? To be honest, man, a lot of drugs. Because you're so stressed. You were doing a lot. You're so stressed. The stress, man. The stress level. Like, the sleep. You're sleeping. One day I remember in Australia, I was sleeping on $10 million was underneath my bed in the cupboards of the kitchen. In the, in the dishwasher, in the attic and I'm just sitting there with my encrypted phone

waiting for L. Hefe's message. I'm just like, gosh, I can't even sleep. I'm popping Xanax and I still can't sleep. You know, I'm like, okay, this is a terrible feeling. And you're not even like, like, trying to get out, right? You can't. You can't get out at that point. It's impossible. I mean, at some point you're so far in, it's like. There's only

one way out, just two ways, right? Dead or in prison and I took the later two, which, you know, God bless, you know, that it happened that way. Yeah. You know, let's be honest, I shouldn't be here. and like you're still so young. I mean, I want to say that you were a kid

because you were a young man, but it's like you're not 45 making these decisions with a lot of life experience. You're still kind of starting your life. Yeah, I was 20, 26. Yeah, I was learning on the fly. I look back, I'm 45, I look back to when I was 26,

I didn't know anything. Really, I was like learning while I go, especially with like active, like you're just learning as you go. So I imagine like, when you turn around after like two years, you're like, I learned a lot, but also I'm way involved more than I probably wanted to be at the time.

No doubt. I remember in prison thinking, like, man, I could have done that a little cleaner. Like, I sure fucked up on that. Like, I'm an old man now, right? I'm like, 41 years old thinking about my young days. I'm like, man, I should have done something. A big, I mean, a big part of your story is when you lost all the money. Yeah.

That's a big part. I didn't lose it. You didn't lose it. Someone lost it for you. And that, I feel like that. There's turning points in all our careers, right? Like, entourage was a big, massive turning point, you know, my football career, but now I'm like, I'm doing, like, there's all these, these moments. And for you, I feel like when you met that guy and eventually lost all the money, the cartel, that was a massive, like, turning point for you.

Not in a great way. You're like, it had to switch your whole. Yeah, now it's different. Because now you're like, I owe these motherfucklers money. It wasn't like getting cut from the volleyball team for sure. You know, you're like, okay, this one hurts. Like, this is, you probably, I mean, what's your immediate, I mean, you do touch on it. I think it's fascinating.

What's your immediate reaction when you're like, holy shit, I'm in debt this amount of money to the cartel and I have to figure out how to get it back or I'm going to die. I mean, you just, now you're in like, because you're already stressed, panic mode. You thought I was doing a lot of blow. Then, now I'm popping oxycontons. Now I'm talking, like, because you're just managing your. GHB, I'm not like, okay, I don't care if I die in at this point. Like, right.

Like, it's like, you're so stressed. I remember I was dating a girl and she goes, what's, wrong with you. And I couldn't tell her that I owed, you know, $3.2 million to the cartel. How do you say that, you know? And I remember, you know, I wrote a note and put it in the sock tour when I had to go meet El Hefe, you know, and we'll save some of it for the people that want to watch the doctor. Yeah. I remember, I remember going to see that meeting and just, I'm dead, right? You think you're, you're going to die. And when you find out you're not dead,

you find out that, okay, you don't owe us 3.2. Now you owe us 4 million. And guess what? But you're like reborn again in that moment. Well, because I felt like I got another life. Yeah, he says, but now you work for the cartel full time. And I'm like, oh, wow. That's, that's, that's, yeah. But I remember walking out of that meeting in Mexico, drinking a margarita man, like, fuck, at least I'm alive, right?

Like, I'm alive. And now let's put my business mind and figure out how the fuck I'm going to do this. And that's what I did. And I got creative. Well, I got real creative. You guys saw it. I saw this part on the plane that I keep referring to like the stress and elbow, I could point to the exact moment.

because sometimes every now and I have dreams I'll have like a bad dream that I never left Brooklyn and I got involved in some shit and people are after me and I'll wake up like oh man that's like my worst nightmare you're they do a good job in the dock

of like he lived that every day doing the well I'm saying in the dock like I don't know if the exact messages you were getting it but there was like one message from El Heaven that just said like TikTok yeah and I for me when I saw that I got so much anxiety for you

because, like, that's, that's a different TikTok than, you know. That's a survival mode. It's just like you're on the clock. It's not like you're on the clock on draft day waiting to make your next pick. You're on the clock probably for your life at that point. Yeah, and it's a bummer, right? Scared the shit out of me, honestly. Yeah, I remember.

I can only imagine what you were. I remember looking at the phone and it says it's time, right? That's the TikTok. You're like, oh, boy, here we go. But it's a bummer. I tell people, man, I wish I would have lost that $3.2 million, you know? Like, I would have had so much fun losing it. You could have didn't even lose it.

You know what I say all the time when I had, when those pictures came out of me at college and I got totally screwed. I'm like, fuck, man, people think I had a rage. I would have had a fucking full-blown. Orgy. I would just been going. I mean, I would have just like a fun night

that was cool. And instead it's this big. I had a low-key night that ended up being the big story. It's this bit, yeah. You should have had a blowout. You just said, like, I think this is fascinating. And I would love to hear this shit because the way that you were moving stuff

was fascinating. What were some of the other kind of craziest payment methods or ways that you figured out? That may be aren't in the dock because we want to leave the specific one, which is crazy out there. You should check out. Well, I used my USC networking and people don't understand. Like, I got creative. Yeah. You know, I got real creative.

I mean, I went to my best friend that played on the volleyball team who had a brother that was an accountant. You know, and that accountant helped me laundered the money back into the U.S., you know, through different methods that will, we'll say. for the viewers but I remember reaching out to a fraternity brother actually he was s ae and uh I knew his family was in the export import business of candy European chocolate and I said to myself I need to figure out a way you know to get now I'm trying to get cocaine now into Australia because you got to remember I owe the cartel that's this four million so I remember going to them and I'm like hey do you you you I still got that import, export business?

Yeah, we bring chocolate in from Europe and then we distribute it through the U.S. I'm like, then the light bulb went off. I'm like, okay. That's a network. That's a network. I said, this is what I'm going to do. I said, do you have expired chocolate? He goes, we got pallets of expired chocolate.

And I was like, okay, this is going to work. I said, we were at a wedding and his wife was carrying a Chanel bag, and you could just tell she was high maintenance. High maintenance. He was a tennis player, by the way. So she, I was telling. I'm like, man, I know your wife's running you through the fucking cleaner. I see her with the Chanel bag.

She's drinking that Class A, Zool, Ultra. Like, I know. Had that Matt's house last night. I know. I know. That's not cheap, buddy. And he's like, yeah, don't, don't remind me. I said, how would $50,000 cash every month sound?

And his eyes went, ding, right? Like, how do you say no to that, right? Yeah. I said, I don't need you to do anything, but give me that expired chocolate. And then he's like, no, no, no problem. So since you're buying expired chocolate for $50,000. $50,000 pallets, two of them, right? Then he knows nothing else, right?

It's like an offer you can't refuse, really. You want expired stuff that can't sell? Sure. But you got to know, like, why do you want to buy this? Well, that's the thing. I said, I'm going to come in at 6 p.m. when all your employees are gone. I said, I'm going to come to the loading dock. And I said, I don't want you there.

He goes, no, no, no, I'll be there. If I'm getting paid 50,000, I'm going to be there. I said, are you sure? I'm like, that's on you, but I really don't want you to see this operation, right? I'm such a pussy. Okay, I won't be there. I'll be gone. I'll be gone somewhere else.

And I remember getting a loading dock. A couple of my workers showed up in their minivan full of these birds, right? We call them birds. The cocaine are bricks. And I said, do you sure you still want to be here? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. What's up, man? We pull off.

So we start bringing suitcases of these birds, these kilos of cocaine. I'm like, last chance, buddy. You sure you want to stay here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gave him an eight ball. I'm like, here, because I already knew. He was, he was craving some after seeing it all. Here you go, buddy.

Here you go, buddy. Here you go, doggie. And he, uh, he finally sat down and he's just looking at this. I'm like, that palette, we got to start taking these boxes of chocolate off. So we start picking literally boxes of chocolates off. Like they're coming in cases of 24. And he wants to help. I'm like, all right.

Take out 22 bars out of that one. Take out 13 out of that. one hey telling my worker hey rufus take out 20 out of that one and now we have all these boxes chocolates everywhere i'm like okay now put a kilo in there a kilo in there a kilo in there package that back up okay what box number is that 13 i'm writing down 13 that one box 28 boom 72 okay boom i'm writing i'm putting kilos in the chocolate i thought all right saram wrap it i said that's going out tomorrow it's going uh international dhl i said i said get give me a billing slip and uh you're to send that to this address and I gave him the address and he's like that's it I got 50,000

for that every month and I remember it was so well done that my people in Australia message me on that encrypted phone and they said hey boss I think the package got picked off we can't find any of the cocaine in this chocolate I'm like bullshit and I pull out the box I have the numbers of the boxes box 13 box 72 box they're looking they're like they're looking they're like Holy shit, Bach. Boss, you figured it out, dude, and that feeling was one of the best feelings. Like, in the documentary, you'll see that other feeling I had. Yes.

The other way, which is awesome. Yeah. So when I did that, the second time, I was like, dude, I was like, Superman. That was when you knew I'm going to pay these guys back, but I'm also now I'm about to make a shit. Like, I'm in business. Like, this is me. Like, this is my. Yeah, this is my calling.

Yeah. So, because I want to stay on that feeling for a second, right? Because I think this a lot of times gets lost, sorry, with, you know, you hear about some of these things people must think like, wow, you must, you're like balls of steel. That's crazy. But also at the end of it, it's volleyball, football, realistic, like you're great at something. It just so happens to be like something that most people are afraid that that feeling of like, not that you're meant to do bad things, but like I could do anything.

If I could do this, I could run any business. I could do anything because look at this. I'm solving a problem that most people, A, wouldn't have the balls to solve. And B, just couldn't figure out because their emotions would get to them. Their fear would get to them. You're solving a problem that I don't think many people could have solved in that scenario. And yes, of course, it's illegal and people may judge that. But at the end of the day, you're still, you must get that feeling of accomplishment, right?

Like, holy fuck, look what I just did. Yeah, you know, it's funny because I tell people like, I was willing to do things most people weren't willing to do. Right. I had some big balls. You never have to justify if you have big balls or not, ever. That's why I was so good at bringing that those drugs into Mexico because no fraternity kid that parents are multimillionaires are going to do that.

You know, and me bringing them into the, you know, steerwich the athletes those guys don't know where to go like like where would they even look you're not even thinking about steroids at that time at that age so i'm willing to do something that no one's willing to do at the where we're at at the time at any point jerry jerry and i've talked about this a bunch as we were kind of getting ready for you to come in is when you pay off the cartel and that was like scary like you're every day you're like fuck i might die like i'm gonna pay them off and again we know the feeling that you had like this is now i'm I'm invincible.

I can keep doing this. Was there a feeling just to be like, I'm fucking done, man. Right. Like, I should shut it down. I just paid off the four mill. They let you go pretty much. You're free from the cartel.

Like, you're obviously, like, maybe I'll just go back home and just like, man, that was too close of a call. Obviously, it didn't go that way. Hey, Betty, I would be lying if I said that, that was the feeling. Man, with that rush, man. Yeah. You can't leave that game. It was the ultimate high.

I explained it such to some. Like, let me give you a million dollars of cash every day. And then let me just say, okay, Maddie, let me take that back. And all of a sudden, you're like, wait a minute, what are you doing? No, no, no, no, no, I need this. You just can't. Like, it's, listen, I paid him back and I'm like, okay, now it's my turn. You're in profits.

You're in profits now. Okay, now I'm in my profit. Like, I just risk my life to get this guy paid back because some fucking asshole lost my money. Now it's my turn to shine. And I was like, just determined, like, okay, now let me get back on top. and yeah you set this number right i remember 50 million was the number like okay get to that number yeah get to that number and i'm out but i'm sure my boss said the same thing right like el hafe

definitely probably had a set number i don't know what that number would be how much money were you making a day it was a million dollars a day well that's what i'm sure at that point too you're making it so fast but it's not like you're like hey let me get my ira going no you can start a pet you're just you're spending you're spending hiding as quick as you can make it you're spending it. And I tell people like, okay, you got to realize, yeah, I was making a million a day, but there's so many things that people don't realize, okay, how are you going to get a million dollars back? You got to pay someone. You have to get your own money out. How are you going to exchange the Australian currency? You need U.S. dollars to come back to America.

So guess what? That's cost a fee. Yeah. Every little thing cost of fees. So like, oh, he's making a million dollars a day. But by the time you're paying a courier, exchanging it and getting it here, and then you're paying someone on the U.S. side. You know, there's, there's fees, but don't get me wrong. I'm still making money. But it was it was a million dollars a day and it would go in spurts, right? You knew that we had, you know, 10 days to windows to work and then, you know, eventually this thing came falling down. But what, what were you buying back? I mean, you must have been buying everything. And I remember I had my thing was, I'm not going to lie, Jerry. I had this thing. I love what Owen says. I'm not going to lie. I don't think you lied once in

this process. I had this thing, Jerry, where I had this, like girls would like to date me right and i had this motto it was called build a babe and i would build a babe anything they wanted you want tits you want ass you want teeth and i used to have all these girlfriends that i'd date and they would get their hermes bags and the shnell bags but i would dial them in just how they'd buy them anything anything they wanted to do whatever and but i would dial them in i had all these babes man like just everywhere you know how many at a time are you just like three four at a time in different area in different area codes different countries my favorite You know, I had an office in Peru house in Costa Rica, an office in Costa Rica.

I was building in Mexico, Brazil. So I was that, I like that international life. I like the Latinos. I'm like, Matt. You know, I like, I like, I like a good, Latina. They take care of their man and they're spicy, right? And so if I could have a Latina in Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, like that, that was my life. You know, that was fun for me, taking a private jet to hear, taking one there.

and the cost of living over there is so much less. Right, right. And when you're around these women, you could just give them a pair. It's like cash. It's like, you're like swiping a card. You're like, cash, you're the man. You got cash money. You give a pair of bands.

They're happy over there. You said like it crashed, right? It started crashing down. At what point did you know that they were on to you, like the FBI and just. That's a good question. You know, I knew for a long time. You did. Oh, yeah.

You've just sensed it, but, you know, I, the guy that lost the money started calling me. I wanted to keep that for the movie. But once he's calling me and asking me questions, like, hey, you ready to launder some more money? I'm like, who talks like that on the phone? Like, come on. Like, that was weird. All right. I keep going back.

Like, so, like, it's crazy because you, you've explained the rush and the high and the money and the life and all that. And I guess, like, once you're in, it's hard. But like, like, at that point, it's, it's, they're on to you. But that point, you're like, well, shit, man, maybe I should stop. It just never- You can't stop. You already know they're there and you already know you owe the cartel.

I'm either going to go out with a bang or I'm going to go out, out, out, or I don't know. Like, there's no, there's no great ending for you. No, there's not a good ending, but I knew I had to pay the cartel back. So I didn't care about these agents. Trust me, I saw them, Annie.

Yeah, you did. I saw them. I remember I was at Mountain Gate and I saw these guys in the parking lot and I was watching the car and then I remember I played my round and the same guys were still in there. And then I remember,

I remember I was a real estate, I was building real estate all over the South Bay and all these job sites I had going on, there was like a Verizon fan. And I'd call my private investigator that work for me. I'm like, dude, this, this Verizon fan's been here for like a week. And I said, can you run the license plate? And he would run the license plate. And he says, hey, this is a private plate. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, they're on me. But what can I do? Like people are like, oh, you should stop. What's that going to do? Like then I still have the cartel. Right. You couldn't stop. You paid. But even after you owed the cartel. Yeah, but you got to remember, like, at that point, I was so deep into it. I felt like I owed them, too. Yeah. You know, I told people like, dude, I owed those guys. They saved my life.

I was more valuable to them than being dead. But I was like, dude, these guys didn't kill me. Most people in the cartel get killed. So anybody that's like, oh, that's not true. Listen, I was valuable. I was a fucking cocaine quarterback. I was a signal caller, you know, I called the shots for them. I was a logistic specialist.

Well, yeah, the name of the, the docking quarterback um when you touch on this and this is well documented everyone knows this the the raid on the golf course fuck what a fucking terrible feeling what like take this is how you know you know you're being followed and you know something's going to happen i'll tell you why i just left orange county and i got in the carpool and i'm late right i get i get in the carpool i'm just by myself you're not supposed to be in the carpool by yourself okay and I'm going like 120 right like okay I'm passing cops you're like no one's pulling me over I'm like okay this is easy this is easy right but I'm just trying to get down

there and I get there early right and uh I get to the parking lot and it's a 710 tea time you guys golf usually the golf course always has people like from 6 a.m. till you know it's low especially like a club like that yeah a lot of members loaded so I I'm like, okay, I get there and there's no one there, dude. I was like, fuck, dude. There's like one F-350, and there's like seven gardeners in that truck. That's a strange thing gets. If you know that court, that's a strange thing gets.

I was like, dude, I'm turning around. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to go to McDonald's. And I tell it really well in the book. But you'll obviously see in the dock. And I go back to McDonald's, I get an egg muffin and I get the egg white McMuffin and a coffee and an orange juice, right? But I think back to the night before. El Hefe said, because he knew I was meeting these people.

A new, yeah, we'll just call it a new opportunity. Money laundering opportunity, let's just say. And he knew that I was meeting this group. And he's like, no one's going to take you golf and launder money for you and this and that. He goes, you're going to be in a six by eight prison cell for the next 20 years. And he said that. And I was like, dude, the light bulb went off. Like, he's right, right?

And there's documentation on my description. when they arrested me. They have a picture of that message from El Hefe that says you're going to be in a six by eight cell for the next 20 years. And so that morning, when I was driving down, I was thinking about that message the whole time. So I knew that it was coming, right?

And I finally get to the McDonald's, I'm eating, and I was like, okay, I'm going to finish this eggma muffin. I'm going to take my encrypted phone, my cell phone, because if they're following me, they're definitely tracking this. I'm going to write Al Hefei a message. I'm coming to Mexico. go get me a safe house and I'm going to be done.

And then I remember, I said, you know what? It's time to face the music, man. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And I get a call on my cell phone and this person that's supposed to be playing golf with me. Where you're at? I'm in the clubhouse. We're waiting the tea on.

I'm like, dude, we're still half an hour early, right? Like, what are you stressing on? I'm like, I'll be right there, right? And I remember getting back to that parking lot. And you knew this might be the day. At this point, you're known that. I just, there was something off. Yeah.

You know, and still no cars. I'm like, okay, this is weird. And this is how I knew, Matt. The, poor, my Porsche Panama, and I jump out. I pop the trunk and here comes my caddy. And my caddy's looking at me like, Mr. Hansen and shaking. Terrified. Oh, fuck, I don't.

I said, where is everyone, man? He goes, I don't know. Like, you should know. You're the caddy, right? And I remember, I said, here's my club. Wrong place, wrong time for that cat. He's like, take the clubs. I remember going to my passenger seat where I have my man bag in 50,000.

because I'm gambling, I'm going to bet. And I grab that bag and I turn around in that Louie bag and all of a sudden, boom, hands up and the money flies and my encrypted phones drop and 15 agents come out of the bushes. There's a FBI helicopter above and they slapped those metal cuffs there. And I was like, finally my life is over. But people are like, is it over? No, I've misspoken. It's not over.

My life's fine like I'm alive. All right. Thank you, everybody to listen in to part one of the Owen Hansen interview. We thought that this was going to be the end. The guy goes to prison, and it really is the halfway point of the story. I mean, all of the cartel and all that, it's absolutely crazy. But what he does in prison and the day-to-day and the business and all of that is absolutely insane, Jerry. It's unbelievable. Yeah, so stay tuned. Next week, we're coming back with part two of Owen Hansen and also. So again, the documentary is up on Amazon Prime Video now, the cocaine quarterback. Check it out. Yeah.

And I finally settled down at this first second half of the video. It took you about a week to be like, are you sure, are you sure we okay, dude? Are we okay? Like your head was on a swivel walking into the studio. Still might be. Still might be. So thank you, everybody to listen. Again, follow us at Throwback Show on all social platforms.

And we'll see you next week for part two of Owen Hanson.