Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Greatest Ever NBA Finals Shots, Caitlin Clark Controversy & Hanging Out with Joey Mulinaro

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

“Rebound Bosh, back out to Allen, his 3-pointer, BANG!”  On the latest edition of Throwbacks, we celebrate the anniversary of Ray Allen’s legendary 3 against San Antonio by discussing the greatest shots in NBA Finals history.  Matt also shares his thoughts on the WNBA needing to do more to protect Caitlin Clark and Jerry tells us what it was like on Power when your character was... we’ll just say, “removed” from the show.”  Then, the hilarious Joey Mulinaro checks in talking about his love for the Indiana Pacers and what it takes to craft a truly great impression.  Joey also breaks out his “Mel Kiper” to analyze the draft potential of a young Matt Leinart and suggests that the impression Jerry should be working on is that of Jose Altuve.  Finally, in today’s mailbag, Matt tells us about the worst loss of his career (not including the Rose Bowl vs. Texas), and Jerry tells us about the actors that served as his mentors.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  KaChava  Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS for 15% off your next order  Zip Recruiter  Try FOR FREE at http://Ziprecruiter.com/Throwbacks  Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Think we're gonna look at the young Matt Leiter right there a lot of potentials at left tackles to red flags He's been stuffing his face few too many times at Thanksgiving dinner plate too many desserts red flag there Here's a guy that wants to play quarterback, but he just can't find himself off the buffet line. He's got the size Certainly the width maybe not the height Welcome to the show everybody. Thank you for being here. However, you're taking in the show today. Matt and I appreciate it. Subscribe on YouTube, follow on Apple and Spotify.

Hit us up at throwback show all over social. We will respond. Maddie Ice, how we doing today? By the way. You always got something for me on the top of the show. No, I'm saying we're just, hey, we're just, we're toying with some merch ideas, okay? So anybody that's watching,

let us know what you think about this throwbacks hack. Got a couple ideas going, okay. We're gonna start burning these. Oh, a little rope hat. Yeah, if you're listening only. Yeah, we got stuff going on, you know? I mean, if you're on audio only, Matt just threw up some nice throwbacks, merch,

some hats that he's been messing with. And I gotta get, how do I get that white and black one? Is you got an extra one for your boy? Not yet, not yet? I gotta get some more hats made, bro. I got you though. This is just the test run. This is just the test run Fit it. They're tough. Do people like fitteds anymore? I mean, I still like a fitted but I'm a seven and an eight

I got a small ass head. By the way, I'm seven and five eights, dude I'm still although my I think my head circumference is shrinking as I get older which is sad Well, I went to go buy the boys t-ball helmets and stuff and my four-year-old old has a bigger head than a six year old. He has a bigger helmet. Oh, that's all right. Um, yeah, dude, get some merge. What's up, buddy? How's it? How's it going? Well, I want to tee up our guests today because this is someone who we've been chatting with for a while. Joey Molinaro. If you don't know much about Joey, you should definitely check him out on Instagram at Joey Molinaro. He does amazing I don't just call him impressions because there's so much more to it because he actually writes sketches

But yeah impressions sketches. I mean everyone from some of my favorites. Obviously he did the Seinfeld one He did do a good entourage one go check that one out And then I like he goes after goes after the freezing cold takers like Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright. Those are some personal favorites. He's got some strong takes on some of these media personalities that are pretty funny. Yeah, I remember he kind of blew up

when the TikTok started storming, right? Yes, small over COVID. Yeah, and I remember I did an old podcast. He's got a new podcast now, but I did his old podcast with Brady Quinn like eight or nine like gosh six or seven years ago at least because I was in studio still before Big New and kickoff and just absolutely Taken off just tearing it up has just fun super creative and and yeah that he's a great writer I think that was something that we learned from him. But yeah, Joey's awesome, man.

We love the people who are doing good sports content that's not just the Xs and Os. Those are always the guys and girls who get me when you're giving us something that's relevant to what's going on today, but it's not just like, hey, he's gotta get off the block here, you know? And we even have a fun surprise. So you don't wanna see me breaking down a, uh, shallow cross route.

No, but we're going to give a little teaser. He does break down something about you and your career in a voice that is not his own. And also let me paint this picture. I won't give it away, but let me paint this picture. This was a real, real low time in my life. This was a low time, okay? This was a younger version of myself. Joey just absolutely knocks it out. It's almost a road.

And also he does have a show I'm excited for. Two times in the episode. Well, one time he even called for the picture to come back up. So yeah, he went and did. Yeah, the picture will live on social. And gosh uh, yeah, the picture, the picture, uh, the picture will live on social and I, gosh, once it goes on social, it never goes away, which is, and he's got a brand new show too that I'm excited about just premiered on vice last night. It's called sports gone wrong. And even another one of my favorite, uh, comic buddies, Paul

Versey is on there where they kind of highlight all these crazy sports clips. So Joey's great. You're going to love them. If you don't know about him already, we're happy to introduce you to him. And the other thing with Joey is he's a big Pacers fan, and it's a big night for him as we set up for game six. Now, I will point out we did the interview with Joey a little earlier, and then right as we wrapped in typical fashion, the Halliburton News broke,

similar to the Thibodeaux firing for us. So we talked a little bit about it, but we had not known at that point that Halliburton. Have you ever had the strained calf, that Halliburton? You've had a lot of injuries in your career. You played a rough sport. Have you ever had the strained calf? Yeah, I've had it twice in the past two months.

Oh wait, is that what you hurt when we played? Oh, when you came out in LA and we played on that Monday night or Tuesday night with Cole, strain calf just, it just balled up, right? Like the left side balled up and then it happened to my right side probably two weeks later and it was a little lower towards the Achilles. That one actually like made me a little nervous. It wasn't the Achilles, but it made me a little nervous. The thing about a strain and again, I am not a high level athlete anymore

like Halliburton, so, but I have like just pulling a calf, I know how it feels and it's not fun. Whether it's a grade one strain and two or three, like whatever, I mean, my guess is, is you can do as much as you can to make sure that thing is feeling right to go give it your best, but it is not like to push off and like to lift and right to go give it your best. But it is not like

to push off and like to lift and to like, you need your calf. You're like, yeah, you're just dragging your foot around. Yeah. Like especially for like, he's a very explosive athletic. He's a point guard. So which yeah, it'll be, uh, it'll be interesting, um, to see. I'm actually honestly more interested to see if Joey got the call. Is he, is he, if he's going to the game, is it cause he was at, he was at an earlier game and he was a part of those, I think a part of the Knicks Pacers series. I really want to see the Pacers win and-

I was gonna ask you, what do you think? Well, I'm not even supposed to hate them because I'm a Knicks fan. It's hard to hate the Pacers. I don't hate the Pacers. They are, they are definitely now, we talked a lot about on the show about rivalry and stuff I could now say the Knicks Pacers at least in the East for sure is a real thing

They own us we can't say anything about but I just really wanted a seven game series more than anything as a fan I would first time I'll ever say is to I will be happy when basketball is done to just be done Like okay, I don't have to stay up till midnight watching a game. I could use the couple of months off just as a fan. Well, also these three days in between games, like what are we doing? It is hard to keep track. But I would like to see a game seven for sure.

I really think that the Pacers blew that game four. That was the one they had at home. Even though they would have went up three one, which would have been almost insurmountable. I think the Thunder could have had the team to do it and now we're seeing a lot of the you know The jail in Williams game. It's like yeah, I have a take for you Matt and there was some bad takes about Halliburton I'll call the person out all week. I won't call the person out particularly but saying how Halliburton selfish for playing injured it's like isn't that what you want from your all NBA best player to just leave it all out on the court?

But also with like the, oh, this is the Jalen Williams game. He dropped 40. It's like, can you say that about a team's first or second player? Like, oh, this is the game that they are, I feel like that should be reserved for the random, like the OB topping game. This is the OB topping game.

Like Jaylen Williams is a stud, easily almost a top 10, 12 player in the NBA. And after the finals, he might be, and he might be finals MVP. Well, it was, I mean, it was a moment for him, right? To kind of, I mean, I think a lot of people know who he was, but in the finals to have a game like that, because even, I mean, to be honest with you, I actually asked Cole the other day, I was like, I was like, is Jaylen Williams good? Like, where do you go to?

I was, I, you know what I, you know what I asked Cole? I said, we played the game. Where do these guys go to college? I couldn't name any of the players on the Pacers where they went to college, um, outside of TJ McConnell and, uh, no. And then like even Jaylen Williams, like, where'd he go to college? I think Cole's like, Oh, he went to Santa Clara or Santa Clara. Yeah. I was like, what? So, but it was a moment for him. I, it was like, for me, I was like, Holy like this kid is, this kid is a real deal. You know who we're going to see a lot more of

though, probably in this game. Tell me. TJ McConnell, TJ McConnell. yeah. What a dog. He really is the perfect, is there any other bench player, obviously there's better bench players, but just in terms of a guy who understands their role, and when he gets in, he doesn't need time to find the flow, he just gets in and it's on, it's just on. And he impacts the game in a positive way, like he doesn't, like it's pretty-

You could tell he was a coach's son, right? I think his like it's pretty- You could tell he was a coach's son, right? I think his dad is a coach. You could tell he was a coach's son. Well, he's got some great, he has some great, let's spend two minutes on TJ McConnell. He's got some great clips on social talking about how he's grinded 10 years in the NBA by just outworking everybody.

Like he has to, because he's not a great athlete. Some of, I mean, he's a great athlete, but to some of those guys, he's an undersized point guard. And I mean, dude, the dude has a role there and he's a beast and he's going to see a lot of him tonight. Let us not forget. And here's why as much as T.J. McConnell has tortured me as a Knicks fan, let us not forget. And Andrew, our esteemed producer will probably shiver at this thought. He was the point guard for these trust the process sixers when they were winning 12 games and just outright tanking and just not even trying to win intentionally.

That was the guard like that guy was kicked around early in his career being on those teams that they wanted to lose. They were designed to lose. Is there outside of Lob City and the Clippers, is there more of an underachieving organization with stars than the Philadelphia Southern Sixers? Yeah, I have to say, that's what I'm here for, man. No, honestly.

Yeah, yeah, 100% what you're saying is true. Like the Clippers, they built the team, and they just sucked. The Sixers continue to build and get players. They just can't win I think and then I got a really irritate I love to piss off Sixers fans But again, I stick to what I said last year when the Knicks were playing the Sixers No fan base has ever hurt my feelings more than the Sixers. They just say some real they're just nasty

They're they just really know it's not even trash talk. They know how to cut into your soul. That being said, yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely disappointing. You know what I saw that got me thinking before we bring Joey in it's yesterday when this airs yesterday would have been the anniversary of the Ray Allen shot, which I know well, I remember watching those games. Ironically, we were shooting think like a man too with Gabrielle union. So I was watching D Wade playing the finals with his wife, which was bizarre. She was freaking out the whole time. I did, I just had to reminisce watching that clip, just how truly fucked the Heat were in that scenario. That was like they're basically, their only out was either LeBron hits that pull up three he took, which did not go in,

or the exact sequence that happened. They were fucked. There was 18 seconds left coming down the court. If he doesn't make that, it's one of those things where, listen, if Vince Young, if his knees, if they call it Vince Young, we win a three-peat, it's never been done before.

If Drew, the biggest what if is Drew Brees, Miami doll, I think you're supposed to go to Miami. Go into Miami, yeah what if is Drew Brees, Miami doll. I think you're supposed to go to Miami. They wouldn't pass him for his shoulder. Goes to Sandy, goes to, I think he then he went to the Chargers at that time, right? And became a hall of famer. Like the biggest what if the Dolphins,

if they would have signed him. What if Ray Allen doesn't make that shot? Like LeBron's legacy is completely, probably different than it is now. Which is crazy because he just dropped a podcast with Steve Nash talking about why are we doing the ring culture stuff? Like what? So if a player doesn't have a great, a ring and look, I do think the ring culture stuff is a little messed up because that's a team accomplishment. I don't know how you put it on Barkley that he doesn't have a ring. Yeah. He takes a lot

of the heat because he was the best player on the team but You know, there's so there's so much if you put Barclay in the Jordan spot Does he get a ring? In one of those six rings, but also but also a lot of these a lot of these guys getting rings are on super teams True that Charlie what Barclay was never on a super team Barclay a good no, they tried it in like Houston, but those guys were already too old. I mean, but like all of these teams, like, I mean,

outside of Golden State, I mean, I know they got Kitty, but building through Clay and Draymond, like they had, obviously like that's a, like they had some great teams, like Miami was like, it's just, it's just a different era. You know? Well, what got me really thinking about seeing that Ray Allen shot, which is, was, what are some of the best finals specific,

not playoffs, finals shots? And I went through, all right, we have like the Steve Kerr shot, which was huge. John Paxson, huge. The Jordan, Byron Russell. However, I would like to think even if Jordan misses that shot and I think that was game six, there's no way the Bulls are losing game seven at home to the Jazz, right? That's just not happening. I feel like I know, but still huge shot. I really just

boiled it down to the two shots. I think it's gotta be that Ray Allen shot, and it's Kyrie, isn't it? Like what else did I miss? Did I miss anything else? Well, I mean. Kyrie was game seven. Yeah. Yeah, that was ridiculous.

And it was a tie game, so we were talking to Andrew off the air, like, all right, if he misses, it's still a tie game, but you got Golden State with the ball and a chance to win the championship. I don't like that spot Was that the year they were down down? Yeah. Yeah so I would say I mean, yeah, I mean go back like

Magics hook shot against Boston. I think when was that the game that Kareem I think didn't play or something Something happened where our test your your Laker lore our test has a huge three Kobe. I was saying as a Laker cuz yeah Kobe actually like Kobe had any I don't know if Kobe ever had like a he might have I would have I might not Be right on this but like a game winner in the NBA in the NBA finals right like or one that put him up with Third I'm sure I'm sure Thousand there was a big one I think I'm sure they were never gonna lose that series But the one where he passed to Ron our tests on the wing from deep, I was in Europe watching that.

And that was against the Celtics freaking squad. And that was just, that was one that like sealed the game. And that was incredible. And I think Kobe just went up like, like this and Artest, that was when Artest afterward, like thanked his doctor. And he thanked his therapist. I keep saying Kobe passes the ball. Cause I think when he walked to his presser as he's walking in, he's screaming like he never passes me the ball. Kobe passed me the ball. And it's true. That was not a guy you would have said, Hey, I want him to take the biggest championship deciding shot in the game.

So that was a big, that was a big shot. Go rewatch it. The anniversary was yesterday. Go check that was a big shot. I go go rewatch it the anniversary was yesterday Go check out that Ray Allen shot But and then if you just do overall playoffs, of course we got there's so many too many so but your boy Robert Ori's big shot Bob against Sacramento Kings. I think Vlade D'Vaak pushed the ball out or Shaq They were going up for it just padded it out those Lakers King series back in the day I was eight seventeen eighteen years old man. Those areakers king series back in the day, I was eight, 17, 18 years old. Man, those were that Chris Weber, Vlade. Do you feel, are you on the conspiracy theory with the foul situation?

Are you, or do you, I never really asked the Laker fan. I talked a lot about my basketball. Well, there was like the game, I think the Lakers had 170 free throws. I never, I guess Laker fans just don't... We're still talking about ref conspiracies to this day. So I'll take those rings. All right. Well, I don't even know. I'm going to be happy for basketball to wind down. I will, before we bring on John, I'm just going to leave.

You know, I have to get my Knicks talking real fast. Everyone's panicking and I get it. Knicks have been in Cancun for two weeks, dude. No, no, but like the coaching stuff is certainly a bizarre thing. I'm only going to just say. I feel like the Knicks have been moving so smartly for years now. I think all the stuff you're hearing, I don't buy for one second, Matt. Oh, let's let's talk to Jason Kidd.

Let's call this team I think that's all smoke. What what do you think those teams are gonna say? They're gonna tell you to go fuck yourself How it's gotta be intent Leon Rose is not dumb enough to say like alright Let's go talk to every coach who's under contract have them publicly dismiss us and say no and then I guess our strategy They don't work. But what is the strategy? Why? I just think the why is number one, stoke a little discourse amongst the league, get people, maybe make someone unhappy in a situation. And then two, I just think, look, hey, we did an extensive search. We did an extensive search. Here's Johnny Bryant or here's Mike Malone or here's Taylor Jenkins. We exhausted all options.

We did a extensive coaching search. And you're going to get Mike Malone, Mike Malone or I do. Taylor, Taylor Jenkins, Taylor Jenkins. All right. You're going to hear a little more Indiana Paces basketball at the top here. But the Joey Molinar interview is a good one. Lots of impressions even. So here's our boy Joey.

All right. We got the great Joey Molinaro joining us. Joey, first of all, look, we've been circling each other for a while now via, well, via DMs. Like, Joey, we want to get you on the show. We love what you do. We're going to get into all of it. But first of all, show us the t-shirt, right? Stand up a little bit. We got a Pacers t-shirt on there. Oh, it's Indy 500. Oh, and the Apple's 500. Okay. I saw Indy and that's a Pacers hat. Correct?

Of course. Yeah. The finals edition, 2025 finals edition right there. I know you've been going, will you be in the building for game six? Fingers crossed, man. I, I'm sure you both have had situations like this, probably not to this level because you guys are way cooler than me and just get the invite. But I had a company reach out before the finals even happened. They were like, Hey, love to have you in our suite. I know you're a big Pacers fan. This would be great. I was like, I'm there. Tell me when and where game three or four. Let's go. Then all of a sudden we get after the Pacers won game one and they ghosted me for a couple days. And then they were like, we've actually allocated everything for game three and four.

But if game six comes around, we'll be in in touch and now I'm still waiting to hear back. Oh no. Fingers crossed. Yeah. I feel like you gotta be in the building man. I feel like you have to be in that building. Similarly I'm a Knicks fan as you probably know and I got the invite live on air to go to game two Knicks Pacers in New York and like my face just I'm hoping maybe the same thing happens like I want you to get that text. Hey, Joey, we got room for you in the suite Thursday night. Will you be there? Man, I tell you, it's a real hit to the ego. I'm not going to lie. Like you really, you go from the highest of highs. You're like, damn, I'm getting the invite to go in the suite. This is so sick.

I'm really doing it. And then all of a sudden they're like, actually, yeah, you're not that cool or famous or well known. So we're booting you for both the games and stuff. What what what's it like watching a Pacers game with you? Depends on what audience I'm with. I know I know when to I know when to keep it in check a little bit. However, I did watch game six against the Knicks in a Tennessee cabin with my grandmother or with

my wife's grandmother and grandfather. And I was throwing all sorts of nonsense out there. So I guess, I guess the, the scenario is definitely a factor. Uh, but the crowd typically, I know when to rein it in, but yeah, game six against the Knicks probably tonight, game six, uh, it doesn't really matter who I'm with. I could be with Pope Leo. I could be with Mother Teresa, and I'm letting all sorts of crazy things fly. Regardless of the result, is this one of your favorite Pacers teams of all time?

Regardless of, like, if they go on to win the championship, of course it's gonna be. But if for some reason even they fall short, is this just high watermark for the Pacers fandom, right? Absolutely, bro. I mean, you can't get such an annoying team on the other end. Like it's so annoying. Just know on the other end, it is so annoying. Like you have so many guys on that team that annoy me in a good way, meaning like they're good. They're tough. They play hard. They hit these incredible shots, even going back to last year and them hards 30 foot bomb. And, uh, I found myself being swayed now. Like I want the Pacers to win. Cause I want to see this go seven. I w I'm dying

for a NBA finals game seven, which we haven't had since that crazy LeBron versus the warriors season. And Hey, who is the road team coming back in that one? Right? It's true. It was on the road and in a situation that they, yeah, a lot of people were down that it could happen. Right? You're a bigger man than I, Jerry, though, because I would never root for now. I would never hope the Knicks win ever and anything at any time. So good for you. I appreciate that. Yeah, man. This is, I mean, I was six years old the last time we were in the finals, six, it's going into first grade. I had no idea what was

going on. I was against my Lakers. Yeah. My dad was just pissed about Shaquille O'Neal the whole time. Fucking Rick Smith's baby. Yep. Yep. Rick Smith. And those guys have been out all the games. So it's been super cool. But yeah, I was six years old and we've been waiting so long. I honestly never thought there's, I mean, really, I never thought that I would see the day that the Pacers were even in the NBA finals again, because you had those Paul George teams that you thought maybe you had the late Reggie days that you thought maybe, and it didn't happen then.

It didn't happen then. And you're just kind of looking at the landscape here like, man, this is just not how the NBA works. Having a team like Indiana go to the finals, man. So absolutely easily a top two favorite team of mine, regardless of what happens tonight or in game seven. And I've really just been trying to drink in that journey, man. Everybody always talks about the old cliche, but it's not the destination.

It's the journey. And I surely have been drinking in my fair of all sorts of stuff in downtown Indianapolis leading up to these games and I'm just enjoying that. It looks bananas down there is the vibes in the city downtown or seem like they're incredible game. Game is tonight's game in Indy. Yeah, that's when you're Mike B. You're still waiting. Okay.

I'm still waiting to get that. That place is gonna be fucking nuts. I hope so, man. It's gonna need to be because it was nuts in game four when I was in the building. And then all of a sudden, you know, my friend, he's a DJ. He was DJing at the bar right across the street from the field house right after game four.

And so we're sitting there and we're up 10, late in the third quarter. We're up seven to start the fourth quarter. And we're like, this has potential to be an all time night. Like I'm getting ready to text my wife, like see you tomorrow morning. It was right there. I was right there.

Home cams DJing. We're going to be up three one night. It's Father's Day weekend. Like you're the DJ booth. I'm in the DJ booth. He already said that I was going to have to crowd surf if we won, like these thoughts are going through our head. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden the air just completely

went out of the building. And I just like Eeyore walked my way home from, because I live downtown Indy. I was just dragging my feet so depressed. You're welcome for OB Toppin for two second round picks that I think we sold for cash. That one still hurts as a Knicks fan. I miss OB every day.

What's so funny is I don't know if this is how it is in New York or for Knicks fans, but I swear OB Toppin is every mom's favorite player here in New York. It was like that in New York. Very much so. Why? I don't know. I don't know. My mom, she randomly, her birthday's coming up. My dad texts me. He's like, Hey, your mom, she really liked an OB Toppin. Can you get some OB Poppin gear? I was watching games with my neighbors across the street. They're, I think, like 10 years older than me.

But yeah, the wife, she's just like, Hush, I tell you what, OB is definitely just my favorite. I'm like, what is going on with it? Are you guys all in on this? Not TJ McConnell, not McConnell, not Albert. Well, that's the thing is it's OB and then McConnell is definitely right. McConnell is all the grandmas favorites.

The moms all love OB. The grandmas all love TJ McConnell here in Indiana. I truly hate TJ McConnell because he's good and he's he's killer. But however, being an undersized point guard myself back in the day, if I was to describe my pickup game, it was TJ McConten. That's how I play. I used to have to try to get those sneaky inbounds deals. Yeah, because we're all not 6'5", like Maddie Ice over here. I thought you were more like J.J.

Berraia. There were J.J. Berraia comparisons. That is a poll. Well, last thing on the Pacers. Can you give us, we like to play this game. I can give you one. Give me your favorite random Pacer. I'm going to go, I'll go first that I used to love.

I used to really enjoy Danny Granger. Oh yeah. He carried us. Yes. Carry. Or Paul George before Paul George. Then they had a good, and he just like as fast as Granger came in, he kind of came out really quick. Those are some dark, dark days, brother, for the Indiana Pacers is coming off Reggie's

retirement. It was coming off the brawl. They're just trying to figure everything out. You get this guy to New Mexico and he was your lone bright spot for, yeah, like six years before Paul George and everybody came in. I mean, these teams were like 30, you know, 30 and 52 or whatever. Oh yeah. Bad, bad stuff. But Danny Granger was making all-star teams. So we're like, Hey, you know, we got that. Um, and then, yeah, it kind of ended, it ended really

weird with him because he was hurt. And then they traded them to Philadelphia for Evan Turner, trying to make like the final move. I remember that. Yeah. To get over the heat. And then Evan Turner was just a disaster, dude. Oh man, he was so bad here in Indiana. So it really ended weirdly for him. But Danny, he was at a game, I think maybe one of the Knicks games or game three of the finals or something.

He's been in the building, so that's cool to see. Good poll, good poll. I was gonna say this, I'm gonna give you guys a hint. For your random pacer? For my random pacer, cause I thought about this. I'm about to be on the same team with him coming up here in Manhattan beach in about six weeks.

Dual sport, phenom, tall, white. That's gonna be Austin Koshier. Good pull. I feel like I know who it is. No, he's you know what he's talking about, Joey? Come on, he's talking about beach volleyball. Oh, Chase Buddinger. Chase Buddinger.

Good pull. Yes. I'm on a text chain with him. We play in this Manhattan Beach Six man, which I don't know if you've heard of. It's like Christmas for volleyball on the beach here in August. And we don't get that in the Midwest. Yeah August. And Chase, who just left you. Yeah, you don't get that in the Midwest. You guys are playing hockey right now or something.

But the Austrian Croaker, I just thought we were just giving a bunch of white paces. Great, Paul. Bro, he's just great. Hey, he's another Southern Cal guy. Hey, Tyler Hansborough. Let's go. We had his brother, Ben Hansborough, too.

That might be the most random pacer of all time. Dude, at one point we had a Plumlee. We had both the Hansborough brothers. I mean, it was like, hey, I was looking around. I was like, you guys are doing us any favors here. TJ McConnell is a rookie. That's like the Looney Tunes team in Space Jam before Michael Jordan teamed up with them.

Oh my gosh, yeah. Not to mention we drafted TJ Leaf over OG and Inobi. So there you go, Jerry. I know you didn't start with New York, but we sweetened it. Is that your random pacer? Because that could be, you could win right with TJ Leaf. By the way, UCLA kid, I remember that. But you said your favorite random pacer, right?

Your favorite random pacer, yeah. Another Knicks tie here. Man, the place went crazy here when we signed Chris Copeland. I thought Chris Copeland was going to save New York, Joey. Let's not get it twisted. I thought Chris Copeland was the savior. That's how crazy I am. Well, yeah, because in that 2012 series,

Copeland was that guy who would come in, and he was like Wiggins right now for OKC. Everything everything he threw up from beyond the arc was going in. We're like this Copeland guy, dude. And then he signs with us in 2013 going into that next year where we're like all in, we need a three point shooter off the bench. Boom. Chris Copeland's here. Everybody loved Chris Copeland. Didn't do squat for us, but we loved the signing in the summer going into the season. So there you go. Wow.

Hopefully we're gonna get a game seven for you. But I wanna talk about how I cut, look, I was very aware of your comedy and your impressions and the stuff you were doing, but really like where my phone blew up is when you did the entourage impression, right? You dropped that on the gram. I have like 400 messages on my phone like, okay, who's dead? That usually means

someone died. And I'm looking and it's like, have you seen this? Have you seen? Everyone I know sent it to me. And then I'm like, okay, look, I've seen some entourage impressions over the years, some good, some not so good. To me, the secret to an entourage impression, I want your take on it, because you're the professional. I feel like you gotta land Johnny Drama. If you could land Johnny Drama, you could get over with an E with a turtle. Vince is a little tricky too.

You gotta land Johnny Drama. Well, I appreciate you saying I'm the professional considering you're fucking turtle. So you're the turtle. So you're the one. It was spot on. Wait, I want to, I didn't hear it. I want to hear. Who did you do? Well, he did everyone. He did a whole scene.

I did a big, Matt, appreciate you following. Yeah, that was last September, by the way. Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. I sent it to him a hundred times too. That's not true. No, so I knew a bunch of the ones I've had success with, the Modern Seinfelds, the Modern Office. And so I was just like, you know what? I mean, I think I was on my second or third rewatch

of Entourage at the time. And so I was like, let me try this out. I think there's something there. You know, it's such an iconic show. One that, like I said, I've watched many, many times. I was like, I think there's something there. You know, it's such an iconic show, one that, you know, like I said, I've watched many, many times. It's like, I think I know these characters well enough to do a modern, you know what I mean?

A modern spoof like I do those other shows. And you have a great point about drama because and that's something that with my impressions, too, people ask me like, how do you come up? Who do you try to? It's distinctiveness. So, yeah, the drama is the distinctness and a little bit of the Ari too. And Ari, just because you can say such off the wall, like crude, ridiculous shit that I was like, okay, drama and Ari and then fill in the blanks with E and turtle. Turtle obviously had such a East Coast, New York accent and feel.

And I was like, you get the backwards hat going. Everybody will know who that is. But then again, like with everything else, with all those other sketches that I do, whether it be the office or Seinfeld, it's not so much about the impressions themselves as it is, in my opinion, like the scene and the writing, the writing of the scene, you know what I mean? Absolutely. Because it's like when I do the Office and I do Seinfeld,

like I have a pretty good Kramer. I have a pretty good Kevin from The Office. Those are all ones that people are like, I knew exactly who that was, Jim too. But so much of it is just like, it's the writing of it and what is going on in the scene, not what the impression of the character is. And so that's what I really tried to encapsulate there.

And I have a huge Star Wars fan, so I was like, Star Wars is constantly going today. There's always series and rumors and stuff happening. It's like, drop that right into the entourage world and there you go. And yeah, that was good, because drama would be 100% against Vince doing a Star Wars movie.

And similar to your sign. But it's like low key because he's like jealous that he, you know what I mean? There's always that like undertone of like. He's like deep down he might be trying to steal the part. Right. Exactly. What is what Jerry and I would tell us?

What does when you're doing an impersonation or when you're like, you know, you're dissecting a scene from entourage or these characters or just in general, what is a rehearsal process look like for you? Because Jerry was like, like Because Jerry was like, do you put it on camera? Well, yeah, what's the final, or is it a person that you do it for, or do you just put it on camera and say, when do you know, all right, this one's ready to drop? This is Instagram approved. Fully baked. Yeah, it's a weird balance because, and I I, if there's something that I want to try,

whether it be a voice or, when it comes to the office and entourage and Seinfeld, like I said, as long as I feel good about the script, I'm like, I don't really care how it sounds because the script's gonna carry it. Like the writing of it's gonna carry it. But with an impression, 100%. Like put it on film, I record myself,

I tinker around with things, I play it back, I just listen to it with not looking at it or anything. I'm like, okay, do I feel like it's close? Do I feel like I can drop down a level? Do I feel like I can hit this word particular a little bit more? And then, like I said, that's where it's an interesting, there's not like a quantifiable way that can be like,

yeah, this is exactly what I know, guys, because it's just like a when you know, you know, type of thing. And when I feel good about it in my gut, I'm like, okay, if I were watching somebody else do that, I'd be like, damn, that's pretty good. You know, damn, that's solid. And then that's where I feel good enough to go.

Have you ever had to, not scrap one, but just like one you were working on and just, you know, it's good, not great. Like, did you ever have to walk away from some? Yeah, I've walked away from a bunch. And then there's also some that I play out that I put out there that, because like, you know, I always talk about like, you know,

when I did the first Sabin that I did, it was just an experiment. So good. I just threw it out there as like, I thought that the bit was funny and I think the impression's like pretty close, like passable. And then it just took off. And so like from there, I kind of learned that I'm like, Hey, you know, sometimes if you feel okay about it, sometimes just put it out there and if it flops, who cares? It flops. Yeah. Go to the next

thing and come out with something better next time. So that's just always been my approach for like six years ongoing now. And then like the, you know, I do like the Manning cast, you know, I'll do like sketches of that with the Manning cast where it's Peyton and Eli and like they'll be talking to Collinsworth or Gronk or something.

And usually I try to have the guests come in and like really carry. But then even then it's like there's enough there with Peyton and Eli both that you can make a parody of something. Like kind of too, I look at it and I'm like, can I see this living on like an SNL, right? To where you watch you're like, oh, that's funny. It may not be like a nail on dead on impression, but like you get the gist and it's a funny spoof. Andrew, can you put can you put up this photo really quick? All right, dude, so That's not me by the way, that's not the way I know that is that is me Joe

That is that is big boy over there and apparently we all were we all we might all been a little overweight on this video I don't know. Someone told me you lost a you lost a lot of weight. Turtle was fat as shit back in the day. I was obviously fat. I would love to hear your analysis of this kid. I want to say in your Mel Kuiper voice, I think you could do a Mel Kuiper because there's no way in hell this kid was gonna play in the NFL.

So wouldn't the fucking Heisman? Just give me what you got here for Mel Kuyper and a young Matt liner. Yeah, sure. I think when you look at the young Matt liner right there, a lot of potentials of left tackles, Philip beefy may be moving inside the left guard. However, if you read flags, he's been stuffing his face few too many times at Thanksgiving dinner plate. Do many, too many desserts red flag there. He's not going to be a quarterback, not a skill position type of guy,

but he's got to come in, snap the balls of center, maybe kick out the left tackle. He works on his feet enough, should be a number one overall player overall. Listen, what I love about that, Joey, first off, right? And this is something I wanted to get to, but my favorite Mel Kuyper quote of all time is when he was analyzing Lamar Jackson and he basically said this guy has no future in the NFL if he does not switch to wide receiver or cornerback. We could have said the same about liner like this kid thinks he could play quarterback but let me tell you that's your left tackle

right there. I was on the line at flag football man in fifth and sixth grade how's it back I was a quarterback and O line. I split time. Was that you in fourth grade, right? What'd you say? You were like five eight, 160? That was sixth grade. You're my exact size now. Yeah.

It was rough for a couple of years boys. It was rough. No, I remember Matt. I remember that because it's so funny. Cause my mom, she always like, she would reference you when I was in middle school. Really? Yeah, she'd be like, Matt Leiner, she would be like, look at him.

He did not have it all going on when he was in middle school. Because those stories about you would be on like, top game day and stuff. You know what? Chubby, and you had glasses, and then all of a sudden you blossom to the handsome Heisman winner. I was born cross-eyed, dude. So I had strabismus. So I was.

Did not know that. Yeah, so I wore these big. Joey's right. They did a couple of stories. I got these big ass bifocals. So I had surgery as a baby. I had surgery in eighth grade. But also in that, you saw the picture,

there's about three years there where I was just ginormous with bifocals. It was like the worst combination of all time. The only thing I had, I was good in sports. I was still a good athlete. I was just ginormous with bifocals. It was like the worst combination of all time. The only thing I had, I was good in sports. I was still a good athlete. I was just big. So like, that was like my whole story was like, sports saved me and all this kind of stuff.

But yeah, it's a- It's a move. It's like the modern version of she's all that. We could have remade she's all that, but did it in a bad way. My mom, my mom, my mom, God bless her. She used to always say my brother my brother Used to tell me he goes dude. I used to cry to mom

He's like why is my little brother so fat is he gonna be fat his whole life all this shit My brother's kind of an ass and so my mom was like he's bad his whole life. Yeah, he's like no he'll grow he'll grow I promise you he'll have a growing my mom was so sweet and sure enough I did so yeah, dude, and you don't worry. My mom listens. She's one of those moms. I'm sure like your mom, like everything that I'm ever on ever have ever done. Like she will. She'll be listening to this today. So shout out to your mom. Shout out. Yes. Did she get like my mom to this day?

I've been in the entertainment business since I was like, well, trying to be since I was 19 or even to this day, if I do something, if I go on to promote or if I do a spot on another project, why didn't you tell me that that was dropping today? I'm like, mom, it's been 25 years. Do I still need to tell you when there's like a little blurb about me in some low, she's like, yes, you still need. She's like saved every magazine or anything

I've ever been mentioned in. She has boxes and stacks of just random stuff that I've been in over the years. And that's why you gotta, you love moms to always support you. Now the entourage episode where Vince brings all the moms out, the moms, your mom. No, that is not my mom. And if you ask my mom about that, she's gonna say they should have cast me, meaning her. She's still mad to this day.

I actually did a fake audition with her. I have this video somewhere. And let's just say I did not get my acting ability from her. It did not come from her. I was like, mom, you can't act wet in the pool. You're terrible, you're horrible. She was like trying to like drop her accent. I'm like, the accent is the best part of you.

Why don't you lose the accent? That's the character. Yeah, my mom in that situation, she would have been offended that it didn't happen, but she wouldn't have wanted to do it. Like she just would have wanted. She wanted the offer to say no. My mom is very like Larry David Costanza-esque

to where like she would not want anything to do with it, but at least wants to be invited to the party, but would never set foot through the door. Here's something I wanted to tell you similar to how you just did your Kuiper spot on and you had a take on that picture of Matt, my favorite of your, I mean, I love Seinfeld cause like there absolutely would be a fantasy episode like fantasy league episode those guys But my obsession because I do I used to enjoy first take back in the skip days I've been on that show a bunch of times, but now I really think there should be Some and we're going to talk about your vice show in a minute Which is not this but like I think there should be some bad take show, like a freezing cold, someone who keeps track of the freezing cold takes that these wonderful people give us,

that you have now impersonated. So you're Colin Cowherd and you're Nick Wright are not only good because they're good impressions and they're well, your takes are actually better than their takes in in life like the Yankee losing the beard like your your takes are smartly written than whatever their takes are for that day so cheers to you because those guys I lose it sometimes when I see some of the stuff they say I can't control myself that they are saying this stuff into a mic in front of millions of people I know it is it's the worst of them those McIntyre. He's definitely on my shit list Should I facetime her right now cuz we're on a Monday night basketball league together You know, he had a rough one last week. He had a rough one last week. I retweeted and oh

I think his takes are his takes are terrible I tell him all the time. I said, what are you talking about, dude? Like what? That's a seriously what the fuck are you talking about? That's what pisses me off though It's like I know what you're doing, dude Like I that's what I just want to see him in person to feel like look I know it I know a gamer playing here Okay But like it nonetheless it is really really mind-numbing listen and talk about the Steelers to him talk about the Steelers, listen to him talk about the Pacers, et cetera.

But yeah, that was always my goal, is like I would, for a while there when I didn't have two kids and like, you know, just a bunch of different shit going on and it was just me and maybe my wife, like that would be my goal, is I would try to beat Cowherd to the Cowherd take. So like I would try to get the video and his take

Granted a spoof and like going over the top with it But I would try to get as close as I could of what I thought he was gonna do and make fun of him before His show went live noon Eastern time Just because I just like to stick it to him a little bit But I met Colin out in LA a handful of years ago, and he was he was super cool that's another question that I get a lot is like, have you ever met anybody that you do impressions of? And, uh, yeah, I met cow herd and he had to see, has he seen the impressions? Was he like, you did good.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did a, he did way long ago. He did like one of those when he's coming back from break and he was like, so joy, there's a, this guy does this in person to me on the internet. It's pretty good.

Not gonna lie. And he said he did that. And then I saw him and he turned the corner and I went up to him and I was just like, Hey man, I just want to apologize. Like, I hope you know, it's all just in good fun. He just goes, oh, impressions are the most sincere form of flattering. And I was like, yeah, I think he's right. That's coward. Yep. And I was like, yeah. I think he's right. That's coward.

That's coward. Yep. So it was great. Is there someone that you want to get down? How do you go about picking people or picking guys? I always try to do, like I said about drama, just try to pick some distinct distinctiveness, you know? Like there's got to be a distinctiveness. There's got to be a mix of like, are they

around right now? Like, are they topical? You know what I mean? That's why like, I don't really do Orzhron anymore. I don't really do luck anymore because they're not around. So good though. And I miss, I miss doing coach O videos. I miss doing luck videos, but you just, you can't really do them because what do you, you know. Gator bait, gator bait. He did, I'm sure you guys saw. He used to come out, yeah. That guy said roll tide to him recently.

Oh yeah. He's run on the beach and he did not take kindly to that. Did not love it. No, did not love it. But yeah, that's where it's like, my homes has been like such a saving grace for me because I'm like, I mean that guy like who, who doesn't know his voice, you know, doesn't know his voice. Right. So that's been great. I don't think he really cares for me too much from what I understand. May have made a joke about his wife on Twitter. Did you just, but you're just burning a lot of bridges over here, dude. Throw that picture up there again. I'll, I'll make fun of that a little bit more. And you want to, Oh, now

here's a guy that wants to play quarterback, but he just can't find himself off the buffet line. You look at him and say, there's some potential there. He's got the size, certainly the width, maybe not the height. And I think if we whittle him down a little bit, a promising young player that Matt liner could be, there is no doubt about it. There we go. Look, look, call. Oh, you're so fat liner. I never thought in the million years that line is getting a lot of burn today. A lot of now can't wait for that one to go online. You just had a new show drop on vice sports gone wrong, which I have to say is it's the idea. You just had a new show drop on Vice, Sports Gone Wrong, which I have to say is,

it's the idea, you know when you have those ideas, you're like, I hope someone does this. Not that I had the idea, but I always thought, like, there's so much going on in sports, and I know we all kinda go through Twitter, which can break your brain at some point, but can we get some talented people together to talk about this in the right way?

And I feel, and I know a few people involved on the project. So how does that come to you? Cause the first episode just dropped pretty much and you got 10 total, right? Yeah. Yeah. I love how you're kind of like trying to, you're so dad now, Jerry, that like, you're trying to stay that you came up with the idea for this show. It's like, my dad, my dad says he came up with the idea for this show. No, no. My dad says he came up with the idea for Red Zone.

Like, with Scott Hansen. Yeah, he's like, every day. The witching hour was mine. He says that. My grandpa said he came up with the idea for mobile grocery shopping. So this is just like, you're fitting right into my world. There you go.

They've all thought of every idea, no matter what. Yes. No, man. It's so it's yeah, it's super great. It's just this hilarious hodgepodge of sports history and all sorts of sports. You know, it goes through, we have like an episode about cheating scandals. We have an episode about athletes who have gone into music, athletes who have gone into acting. There's one about the mouse at the palace, the brawl, like fights that have happened in sports. And yeah, it's just like you said, like I narrate it. And so I'm in and out and setting the scene

and doing the voiceover for everything and getting from scene to scene. So I narrate all every episode. And like you said, there's 10 episodes and they air every Wednesday, 9 p.m. Eastern on Vice TV. And then yeah, you got John Sally, you got Jess Metana. Yeah. Sally's great.

My boy, Paul Verzi. Paul Verzi. You got Godfrey. Godfrey. It's just a loaded, loaded cast. And a lot of stuff that you've heard about, right? There's stuff about streaking, right? And you're like, yeah, obviously streaking.

But then it kind of goes into the origins, and the first people who did it. And so you're getting a chuckle, you're getting a laugh out of it, but then you're like, oh damn, okay, like I didn't know that I learned something here too. So it's a fun mix of that, man. And it's, yeah, it's just a super high energy, fun, easy to watch show. And you'll pick up a few things along the way too. Since I came up with the idea for the show, can I pitch you a few that maybe could find its way into season two? Absolutely.

Yeah, let's do it. First of all, you got to do your boy, probably one of the biggest stars in Indiana right now, John Halliburton talking shit to Yannis, I feel like needs to make its way in there. Right? You can do a whole one on sports parents, dude. Yeah. Yeah. John Moran's dad, Tom Marinovich, Tom Marinovich. Yeah. Like I said, I don't know. It's a pretty local one here, but Jeff George, like his mom

running on the field when he got hurt back in the day, a personal one for me because we talk and Matt knows him. Well, we talk about our Lovsky on the show who's had some pretty polarizing takes, but him running out of the back of the end zone, I feel like that could coincide with any football player that spikes or drops the ball before crossing the goal line. We've had about 10 of those at this point. That happens like three times a year. It's like twice a year now, yeah.

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. There's gotta be two of the worst, kind of those things to two of my buddies or Lofsky out of the end zone. It's just like the gift that keeps on giving and the butt fumble with. Oh, I love, that's my personal favorite. I love that.

Those are like the two, I think when you look at quarterbacks, just the all time, like just fuck, you're going to be a meme for the rest of your life. Like those two. And that's crazy because that was before memes even really existed. Right. You knew you were just done for. Oh yeah. You're just toasted. the rest of your life, like those two. And that's crazy is because that was before memes even really existed. Right, yeah.

You knew you were just done for. Oh yeah. You knew you were just toasted. Matt, how does that happen? How does that happen with football players where they like, you're watching yourself on the screen, you know where the goal line is, and like they're still just dropping,

do you just black out when you're about to score? Is that what happens? What, are you talking about Orlovsky? Or no, just dropping the ball before you cross the- The drop in the ball is the dumbest, most bonehead play. I don't understand that. I think you see the goal line and then a lot of times when these guys, I've never, I wasn't a runner,

so I never really had the opportunity, but I could imagine- Show the picture, show the picture. We know. I know, yeah, show the picture. I was in my stance like this growing up. I was I was two-stepping at the right guard You weren't a bed sheet for a shirt there. What's the? Yeah, that's That might be from Gap at the time Gap large Republic, dude I shot that big and tall dude for two years for kids. Honestly, it's fucking crazy. Dude, you're you're like far as come

You've had so many different things you shot the big and tall way. But by the way, great flow. Look at that hair Oh, the hair is solid. That's one thing we could hide. So I mean I got potential was there I'm still I'm still keeping it together for the most part at 42. Um, I don't know Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Keep him coming, Joe, keep him coming. No, this is so mean. The crossing the goal line thing, I never understood. The Orlovski thing, honestly, it sucks,

but I get it, dude. When you're on your own one yard line as a quarterback in shotgun row. Running for your life. It's fucking, it's nerve wracking and it sucks. Because you can't move, you got guys chasing you, then when you're running, you lose track of where you're at. Like, I get it.

Like that one just like I get it, you know? And maybe do the Houston Astros briefly having a hill in center field, which I don't know why on Earth. I don't know if you were. You might have been young for that. There used to be a hill in center field. Well, like who thought that was a good idea? Speaking of Houston Astros, I texted you,

I said the role that you need to play. That was on the list, you texted me. Yes, you said, Jerry, I need you for a role. So do you have something cooking that you need me to do, Al Tuve? Do you want me to start working on it? When the inevitable FX Houston Astros cheating trash, trash and cheating. The Clippers show, but the Astros version. I mean, yeah, dude, get your glove and head out to second base. Cause yeah, work on your accent because you're, you're, you're out duvet.

Well, dude, thank you so much. Good luck with sports gone wrong. And also, I mean, I know you got the pod going, these guys podcast, which so good, dude, I love it. I love it. Cause you could drop in on any one of them. You know, you could just drop in, you pick right up. You're up to speed.

You're up to speed. You're up to speed. You're up to speed. You're up to speed. You're up to speed. You're up could drop in on any one of them. You could just drop in, you pick right up, you're up to speed. And obviously, if you don't know, go check out all of Joey's impersonations and impressions and sketches that we just talked about. Congrats on everything, man. Yeah.

Thank you so much. Keep going. Good to see you, buddy. Yeah. It's good to talk to you guys and thank you so much for having me. And I've been a fan of you guys for so long, and truly just insane to be talking to you guys here. So thank you. You've made two fans with us, so keep going. All right, man. All right, well, Matt winds down from getting

roasted a little bit by Joey Molinaro. It's time for flavor of the week presented by Wendy's. Yes, you have come a long way. Find your new favorite frosty fusions flavor today with choices like Oreo, Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop Tarts Strawberry. Possible flavor of the week topic I was thinking and then was confirmed by your amazing tweet that you released with one letter. Matt tweeted something with one letter everybody that has gotten a million views at this point, which was G in response to everyone just wanting

to beat Caitlin Clark up. Well, it was in response to Sophie Cunningham just coming down with a hammer in response to how Caitlin Clark was literally just body checked for no reason. So Indiana Fever posted something on their ex account and it was just a picture of her or whatever. And I just literally put like, G like gangster,

like hell yeah. Like you wanna see that because Caitlin Clark is just continuing to get just absolutely destroyed in the WNBA. And I like we've talked about her a lot. And again, this is like, this is just, it's kind of becoming the same narrative, but it was just nice to see one of her teammates

finally show up and just say, it's like when you throw at someone in baseball, my pitcher's gonna go out and throw the next inning, right? The first hitter, don't matter. Like, hey, like we're sending a message, don't mess with my girl, don't mess with my teammate. I'm just completely, I just continue, Jerry, to be astonished with the way she is being treated.

And like everyone can talk about all these different things, like just the jealousy or like the hatred that people have for her. And it's blatant, like you can't even defend it. I didn't have a problem with the eye poke, like that happens. That's incidental. Kaitlyn pushed her back.

They kind of shoved like that's sports, that's fine. But then the body check out of nowhere. And by the way, didn't even get a technical foul. Like didn't even get a foul. So for Sophie Cunningham to one of the girls was on a breakaway and she just completely bear hugged her and just threw it to the ground. Which by the way, like you can't do,

that's not a basketball move either. But at some point, like you can't do, that's not a basketball move either, but at some point like you gotta defend your girl. So I thought it was, I thought it was pretty fascinating. It was fun to watch. I like when there's some scuffles and people get into it, but the fact that like this is the face of your league, she is the reason why people are watching this and she continues to get treated this way

is just mind boggling to me. Couple of things. It's just mind boggling. And I do like you, you've definitely, I've always watched the WNBA and obviously I watched Caitlin Clark and if anything too, this sort of treatment and things that are happening are making me watch even more. So there is a result to it that I don't know if it's intended or unintended. I don't even want to say Michael Jordan

because then you get brought up, oh you think Katen Clark's Michael Jordan. I was just trying to think of a player who's been physically targeted. Similarly, like, and whatever, again, it's part of the game in some respects in a lot not. And like what the Pistons were doing to Jordan seems different because that was designed to like,

hey, we don't want,. We we want this guy almost hurt We want him by the end of the game to be in so much physical pain that he can't score It's the Jordan rules right like every time he comes in the lane knock him on his ass It's not quite what's going on because this Doesn't feel like it's a strategic physical play. It feels like it's just like fuck this girl like personal for whatever Yeah, so I, I've never really quite seen it. Could you imagine, could you imagine, could you imagine like, she is one of the biggest stars on the planet in sports? Like she just is. And she's one of

those where even if you don't like women's basketball, the W, even if you don't watch the WNBA, even if you don't know half the players, she's becoming so big in my opinion that you don't need to watch to know, oh, I know who Caitlin Clark is. She's the best. She's becoming that. Household name. Can you imagine, I don't know, LeBron, Steph,

some of the biggest names in our sport, Mahomes, getting this like this type of like, just try like, could you imagine if, if football players try to intentionally hurt, cause there's light hits in football. I've been a part of them. Like you're trying to intentionally hurt Patrick Mahomes just because you don't like him cause he's the face.

Could you imagine like what Goodell would, what they would do to those players? That player would be fine millions of, he would be out of the league. Like they just would, cause you protect your stars. And the WNBA does not protect their star. They have great Asia Wilson's,

they have great players in this league. They really do. And I've become a big fan, but she is the reason why people are watching and you're not protecting her. So tiny sidebar, I don't even know if this matters. And then she hit a three in her face and just got him fired up, which I love.

But also, I've never played sports on that level and I've learned this from, this was a professional head coach in the NBA, I'm not gonna say their name, but there's just people that you don't do that to because it doesn't help. And I think doing this to her, I don't think it gives you a competitive advantage.

I think if anything, you fire her up more and it's probably gonna backfire. And the player this coach was talking about at the time that I got a little insight to was like, don't talk shit to Russell Westbrook back then. It was like, just don't. If he's kind of like going through the game and doesn't have his usual intensity,

Lee, don't, even if you're up 10, 12, don't say shit. Just leave him alone. Let him, if he's sleepwalking, let him sleepwalk. And I feel like you're not even getting a competitive advantage from doing this kind of stuff because it's only further awakening a beast. So I just don't, I would just cut it out for that reason. It's not helping you win the game whatsoever.

Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's very simple. She's not intimidated. It's not affecting her. It's very simple. WNBA has been around for a while. There's been absolutely unbelievable players. Diana Taurasi, Lisa Lez... I mean, just the list goes on.

Sue Bird, like there's phenomenal players. But Caitlin Clark has elevated this game to a stratosphere that they were never at and they were never gonna get to. Let's just be honest. They were, she's selling out arenas and that's okay. Like she's the reason. And all these other women are like,

embrace this, being competitive and hard fouls and talking shit, hell yeah. But like when it's blatantly because you're just like, you're probably tired of like someone like me or people talking about, oh, she's the reason why, but she just is. But she just is. If Caitlin Clark isn't playing basketball,

if she just leaves the W, you think like, could you imagine what the numbers are gonna be? Even when she's not playing a game, she sparked an interest in millions of people around this country to watch that game of basketball. And I don't know, man, she like, you don't wanna star her. I was only gonna wrap it up with you tweeted one word

above a clip involving her. Shout out to Sophie Cunningham, who's a G. Yeah, but that's kind of the point. Like that one letter got a million views that kind of Cunningham who's the G. Yeah. But that's kind of the point like that. That one letter got a million views because it was an issue and topic that people care about. So we'll see where it goes. We keep monitoring the situation. We are going to do a little a little mailbag. I don't know if this is like a dickish question for me to ask because I don't know. I wonder because you probably have been asked this in your career before.

Okay, we're gonna go Keith in Wisconsin. Shout outs to Green Bay. We were there not long ago. Matt, I assume that the Rose Bowl versus Texas was the toughest loss of your career. Probably a good assumption. So removing that from the equation, that game doesn't count. What would you say was your toughest loss after that? That game doesn't count. What would you say was your toughest loss after that? Yeah, I would say, well, we lost the Super Bowl. I didn't play in, I was a backup, but that was pretty tough. Still, the ring is a ring, we like rings.

I would say this, I would say Monday Night Football Chicago Bears, rookie year. The one, Denny Green, I had a good game, Denny Green, we are who they thought they are, whatever, that game. And the reason why I think that is my first start was against Kansas City Chiefs the week before. Good team.

We missed a field goal to lose. We could have won in the last second. So that was my first ever start. My second start was against Chicago Bears on Monday night football the next week. And the only reason why I look back now, because I didn't lose a lot of games in college fortunately, is that game was a game where it was kind of

a coming out party for me. It was on Monday night football. Kornheiser was doing the game back then. I just wonder, I always wonder if we would have won that game like shifts, like football, like it's just football is so funny, man. It's a difference of two or three plays in a game. Like the Chiefs before that, we make a field goal,

we're probably three and three or two and three at the time we beat the Bears, we're three and three. All of a sudden you just kind of create momentum, right? Yeah. And so I always like tough, it was tough, but I always wonder if we would have won that game Like how we would because we only won five games that year We're five and eleven and at that point we were one and four

So three and three and one and four are two very different scenarios three and three and three and three and three you're out You're in the playoff hunt like one and four you're you're screwed like, you know, you're going home early so I just always wonder like that game was tough and then looking back, you know, you're going home early. So I just always wonder like that game was tough. And then looking back, you know, as looking back on my career, like, oh, maybe that would have helped shift some things. So, and then obviously the Cal game in USC was the only other game I lost. That game stings too, but not as much as Texas,

by far the toughest game. Thank you, Keith, in Wisconsin. We like to rip open wounds with the mail bag. This episode is just taking daggers at me right now. This is a tough Maddie Ice episode. Next one will be a lot easier on you. Well, we'll turn to an uplifting one for me. CJ in Maryland, Jerry was ever an actor out there

who served as a mentor to you or took you under their wing in some way. I don't know the answer. I can't point to one person, but I'll point to a few quick scenarios. One is when, when Entourage came around, I was the baby of the group, right? Not only age, but experience. You had Dylan and Piven who've been acting since they were teenagers and were in Oscar movies, Platoon, The Doors, Piven with all his stuff. And Connelly, who's not that much older than me, but Connelly's been acting since he was

seven years old. He actually, if you go on his Instagram, he went through a week run where he's getting access to all his old commercials. Connelly did like a hundred commercials before he was 10 years old. And all the ones you grew up with, like the Nerf commercial. What a beast. And like the, you know, power wheels,

like unbelievable. Power wheels. He and Seth Green were in every commercial at that age. So I would say just watching those guys in terms of how to be a professional actor helped in how to conduct yourself. But then I just had a lot of good, you know, Wahlberg was always a super positive presence and woke me up out of a, you know,

I was essentially blowing my final audition for Entourage until he came out and told me I was blowing it and said, you know that? He said to me, you know that moment? Because he knew he saw talent in you or else he would have just said let this kid walk. He came up to me at the network test, like you know that, he said to me, you know that moment. Because he knew, he saw talent in you, or else he would have just said, let this kid walk. He came up to me at the network test, like halfway through,

and I don't think the decision was still even made, and he basically pulled me over, and I hadn't even met him at this point. I didn't even know he was pointing at me, and he pulled me over and he said, you know that moment where everyone says, I knew in that moment, this is the moment, and you're blowing it. So for you, the story will be, yeah, I had my moment, this is the moment. And you're blowing it.

So for you, the story will be, yeah, I had my moment, but I blew it. So there's still time, do something. Yeah, I mean, he gave you the, I mean, think about, go back to that moment, that's crazy. If he doesn't go out and say that, your whole life is completely, It could be a big what if for me.

We're probably not doing this show. It could be, like you said, if you go three and three and have some momentum and big one for me. We're probably not doing this show. It could be like you said, if you go three and three and have some momentum and maybe for me, if he doesn't come out there and snap me out, maybe I just stay, cause I was just very nervous and I was trying to play it cool. And he basically was like, don't play it cool.

Go just die in there if you have to. Like go leave it all in there. And I did. It's telling me it like sports life anything It's about opportunity and then when that opportunity comes, what do you do with it? Yeah, I one way or another I've had quite a few people though just over the years who have done that so good questions certainly appreciate it and next week we'll make sure the question is not nearly as You know ripping open some open open wounds there. Oh, that's fine

as you know ripping open some open open wounds there. It's fine. Okay it is now time for all time adventures driven by Nissan take adventures to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada go to Nissan USA dot com slash armada to learn more. Obviously big talk in the MLB world with the Devers trade. You know I don't quite know what the Red Sox are doing, nor do I really care. I'm not worried about the Giants. My Dodgers are just fine. Dodgers are just fine, but it did bring a question for me when I was thinking about

an all-time adventure. You know how I like to relate things in sports to things with acting and entertainment. And I have a fun story. Before I dive in though, for you, trade-wise, was there ever a teammate, someone you were close with or a surprising trade? Were you ever in rumors? So I was in a rumor once and we have never told you this. So I'd never was a part of a team where like we had a blockbuster trade in the NFL. I admit like an off season, maybe there was, but I just,

I don't remember ever being like, holy, I can't believe we just traded him. Like free agents walk and stuff, you know, but 2000, the camp that I got cut from Arizona, I knew I was gone. They brought in Derek Anderson from Cleveland, who's my boy, like we competed. I thought I, at this point, I was just, I was out of favor with the coaching staff.

They wanted me out. They were just figuring out. There were rumors, because I remember going up into Coach Wins and Hunts office, they were trying to trade me to the New York football giants. Stop. Are you serious?

I just remember this, to back up Eli. This was 2000 and- This is a whole different shell if this happened. Six, seven, eight, nine, 2009 or 10. Now I ended up getting cut and I signed with the Texans like two days later, three days later. That's when I went to Houston. But there were conversations and I'm almost positive

about this that he was like, hey, we've been talking to the giants about potentially trading you, which the better for the organization is just releasing me and then me signing with the new team. I mean, for the team, that makes sense too. So, but yeah, it was the giants. My agent was like, they liked me, you know,

they were interested because I was, I might be making this up now, but like Eli, you know, we're similar quarterbacks, drop back quarterbacks, didn't move. You know, like it was that type of deal. At the point I wanted just to be released so that I could go anywhere or have options. So that almost happened.

So I was almost traded to the Giants. Instead, two days later, I got a call. Actually, this is another good story. Same type of thing. In that same period of time, Kyle Shanahan called me. Kyle Shanahan was with the Redskins and I was on the phone with him. He was with the Redskins and I think he was the OC

at the time and he wanted me to come. They had like five or six quarterbacks, but he's like, you know, he again, thought I fit well in that system. He's like, dude, come out, you know, you compete, whatever. And then Houston, which was basically Mike Shanahan and Kubiak, like Kubiak system, the same system, it was much better.

And that's when I signed with Shobb and Dan Orlovsky. And then Orlovsky left and I became the backup for a couple of years, but that's how that all went down. Interesting playing behind Eli cause he played so many games in a row. So that must, like, I guess signing with the team too, you probably wouldn't pick the Giants only because like Eli doesn't really miss fucking games.

Yeah, but I could have been a backup there for like eight years. And in New York as a backup, how do you, you would have probably had a good time in New York as a backup and a ring in 2011. Yeah. See, see what could have been. Never know, man. The only thing I could think of that rivals this in Hollywood is, especially a part of a TV show, you know, that was similar to Game of Thrones with power in the sense where so many main characters at any time can get killed. So I want to say with like season five of power, I'm living in New York, I'm a regular

on the show. There was like two episodes I wasn't in in like five years, right? How you get killed off in power, you don't really ever know what's coming. Similar to like Hard Knocks, Courtney Kemp will call you up and say, can you come to my office real quick? Bring your script and you walk in there and she's like,

so, and you immediately know what she's about to say. And you're like, holy, I cannot believe it's happening. The table readings at Power were always a very big deal. Like you had to go, you had to give it up. Like 50 would always come, all the cast, everything. And every time a character would get killed off, you, they'd get to say a speech and you'd clap them off and show them love. So I had one episode off and when you don't, when you're not in that episode, you don't get that script because that's how, you know, mysterious they wanted it to be. And so I had my week off and I show up to

the next table read the episode after and like four main characters were killed off. I won't even say Lala Anthony, I think was one of them. Are they reacting in real? Are they reacting in real time? Like I remember in the Game of Thrones, that famous clip where they're reading the script and they're like, like, or do they know they're being written off before the table reading?

I think at this point, the person, no, Courtney always would call the person in and have a long talk with them of like the why it's happening. And it got to be a place with the show. Cause like, you always think it's cool to watch an episode where a main character gets killed off, but that person is losing a job. I was about to say that's gotta be a shitty feeling going into that.

You're getting cut. You're getting cut. And it's not because you weren't good it's just it's the best thing. So yeah I showed up to the table and I was like where's JR? They're like oh you didn't read the, no I didn't get the script. Where's JR? JR's dead. What?

Oh where's Lala? Where's Lala? Oh, you didn't know? Lala's gone too. So you don't even get to say goodbye. So I assume that's what a surprising trade is like. And then- Oh, for sure. I do remember, spoiler alert,

when my run on power ended, I always said, I'm like, I'm gonna treat it like business and I'm not gonna get all emotional and do this. But when they gave me my speech at the table reading, shit, I got emotional. You have to, man. I said I wasn't, and everyone stands up and claps for you. But then also, you know you leave the show,

and the show does go on. So when you found out you were getting killed off, like when you're done, do you call Brie, and you're just like, Brie, I got bad news. Pack up, pack up, we're outta here. Proctor's dead. I don't know what's next. Yes. That has to be, yeah, that's a great comparison to like,

or getting cut in football, the final day. Getting cut or surprised treated. Yeah, it's just like, oh man, like what next? Yeah, cause the other thing too is, it happened to so many main characters on that show, it really wasn't a knock to what your performance was or whatever. I think it's almost a credit. Like the more the audience loved your character, I do think it was the more

enjoyable it was to kill you off because it got such a reaction. You were a fan favorite. That's for sure. Well, there's people to this day who still come up to me that's like, man, when you got it on that show and again, Go watch it. Even if you haven't seen it. They're like we cried. So you're you're you speak to multiple generations because you're Ever when i've been with you, I would say It's got them. I want to say almost the majority is like proctor

It's it's weird. It depends on where you're at. Yeah,, cause Turtle is way more iconic, I think, but older, whereas Proctor, like, even guys we've had on the show are like, oh Proctor, man, like they love Power. Like, you know, like- And Power's still going on. There's still all the spinoffs, so it's like the universe.

Entourage now, I feel like it's more just like a real nostalgia play for people, you know? Whereas I think Power and Proctor, it's all still going on. So that's it for this week, buddy. We'll see. Are you gonna watch, are you gonna watch game six tonight? Be honest. What am I doing?

Yeah, I mean, look, I got my oldest got football practice. So Cole's got a little football. Probably gonna make a. You'll check in at halftime. If it's a close game, you'll throw it on. I'm going to make a little Costco run today. I mean, yeah, just, you know, just another day, just another day at the liner. That's a very dad. That was the most, one of the most dad things I've ever seen. I'm not lying. I actually got to go to Costco for a trip coming up, but, uh, no, man, I will watch this game. I'm hoping Halliburton

has enough. If not, we'll see If not, we'll see the mighty TJ McConnell step in. Selfish player that Halliburton. Selfish player. How dare you do that to your team. We will, I think we might be off for some time, but we got some more coming out for you guys. Thanks everybody watching, listening. We'll see you soon.