Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Jayden Daniels’ Rise, Josh Allen’s Time, NFL Rule Changes & Patrick Renna’s Sandlot Memories!

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Conference Championship weekend is upon us! Matt and Jerry share their thoughts on Jayden Daniels’ incredible ascension into the elite tier of current NFL quarterbacks. Plus, has Josh Allen’s time finally arrived? We get you set for the latest playoff installment of Buffalo vs Kansas City.  Then, the guys are joined by actor Patrick Renna who played Hamilton “Ham” Porter in the iconic 90’s sports movie, The Sandlot. We get into everything from “you’re killin’ me Smalls” to the legend of Wendy Peffercorn to the role on Entourage that Patrick didn’t land.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      Sinclair has partnered with the Salvation Army to raise funds in support of disaster efforts across Southern California. To donate go to https://sinclaircares.com/. All funds raised will directly support the Salvation Army's wildfire disaster relief efforts.   A big thank you to our sponsor:    Wendy’s    Pick between a Classic or Spicy Chicken Sandwich, Hot and Juicy Dave’s Single, or 10 pc Nuggs as part of Wendy’s 2 for $7 deal.   https://order.wendys.com/category/129/meal-deals?lang=en_US  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood audition life. But I'm a huge Entourage fan and I auditioned for Turtle. Did you know that? Oh no, I did not know that. Oh, damn, you would have been a good Turtle. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. My cohost, Matt Linus laughing at me right now. I wish people could just see your face right now. Actually they can. Well, really quick. What's going on buddy? We meet every week about this show where we have, I guess

this is like the realization that I'm just an old ass man. I cannot keep up with the group chat and the emails and everything that comes in. We were going to record starting a few moments ago. I was late. You texted me like, where are you? I was upstairs preparing lunch for myself because I haven't eaten all day, not realizing we were supposed to start 10 minutes ago because I missed the text that you did send. And then you come on just fuming right now. Fuming, fuming. Like what else is going on? Do you need a hug?

You know me man, I'm your number one therapist. Alright, I'm gonna tell you what's going on and then we gotta tell the audience something else that's going on. My kids are home from school because it's too cold outside. I grew up in New York City. Never did they cancel school because it's too cold outside. I grew up in New York City. Never did they cancel school because it's too cold outside.

We're just, people are soft. Get me out of here, man. So anyway, my lovely kids have been home since like Thursday of last week, because in Cleveland, it's too cold outside. Never heard of that. Tony, the greatest day on the calendar is the day the kids go back to school.

Well, listen. It really listen, all kidding aside though, there is a good update that I have been paying much attention to and has taken a lot of my focus and your focus because Matt, we're going to the Super Bowl, baby. Dude. We're going. We're going. Throwback Show is going to the Super Bowl. We just spilling the tea. We're spilling the tea right Super Bowl. Are we just spilling the tea?

We're spilling the tea right now. I think we're spilling the tea right now. We are gonna be doing a live show. It's like a combination episode, combination, we're just live from the red carpet at not just any party, the party of Super Bowl week and weekend, the fanatics party. Fanatics, red carpet, A-list everywhere,

athletes, entertainers, music, actors. Obviously shout out to Michael Rubin, who allowed us to be on there. It's gonna be exciting, man. Like I go to the Super Bowl every year, for the most part, right? Just either I have appearances or stuff, or just go as a casual fan and hang out with friends.

It's a fun weekend, obviously, if you haven't gone. It's an incredible weekend. But to be able to do this, right? We just launched a show three, four months ago. And now to have the opportunity to go on the red carpet and just do our thing together for throwbacks, meeting all the cool people, shooting the shit. Like it's gonna be an experience.

I'm super pumped. And dude, I can't can't come soon enough. So everything you need to know, we're gonna be live from the fanatics red carpet, we're going to be live on our YouTube channel throwback show, as well as our Twitter, X account, Instagram, Facebook, everything is at throwback show. So if you're subscribed and following any of those platforms, you'll be able to watch. So we're basically going to be like your guides, your ship is to the best party of the week weekend. And also we get to then go in the party after we do our show.

Pretty damn cool. Can't say we'll be live, but we'll definitely bring you some videos and we'll be posting some stuff from inside the party because your boy's going to need a drink after this right? Yes Saturday February 8 3 30 p.m. Eastern. Yeah, I think we go live right 2 30 We go live Central Time 12 30 Pacific depending where you're at And again like Jerry like you said, I think it's just it's just gonna be fun man. Like like there's I'm excited I would say like I'm excited to see so-and and so, you know, we don't know yet who's coming. But if you just look at pictures of past parties, it's

going to be pretty fun. Yeah. And my goal is like, I don't want to do the who's going to win the big game. I mean, I'm sure we're going to keep like, yeah, give me a give me a give me a well, depending on who we get, like, give me a prediction. What's the over under of how many times if we if we talk to 50 people, what's the over under of one of us? Probably me going so who do you like this weekend? We'll set that number for sure ten and a half. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's exciting, man

Yeah, and then we're gonna we're gonna be doing we're gonna be together. We do some stuff throughout the weekend we're gonna have a lot of Opportunity to do some content and just and just out. And again, it's just a fun weekend. So we're excited to be kind of the voice, the ears, all that for the fans of the red carpet for fanatics. And it will be cool to be there with you. I've gone to the Superbowl a bunch of times and I've been, I have been treated well in the past, but it's just got to be different when you're at the Superbowl and you're an

athlete, someone who played the actual sport, walking around. It's just gotta be a little easier. I think it's very similar to you going to, we talk about the Golden Globes a lot, right? One of the award shows or something. And no matter, like for me, I'm old. I've been retired for 10 years. A lot of these kids were like, a lot of these players now weren't in the league when I was playing.

Very few crossovers when I played with like Aaron Rodgers. I mean, only a couple guys back in the day, but it is a small community when you think about it. And so when I go there, you just reconnect with a lot of people that you played with. You reconnect with younger guys, coaches, all that. And it's always like, it's always good because it's like, man, like I still,

I don't really think of myself as a football player anymore, you know, because it's always like it always it's always good because like man like i still i don't really think of myself as a football player anymore you know because it's just so far removed but yeah when you get back in that environment and you see so many people that you know or you cross paths with over the last 20 years like it just makes you you know it's like this is cool man like this is a great fraternity to be a part of you just reminded me of a fun story that i'm going to tell in one second but also coming up on the show in a little while. This is a fun one for Matt and I, because we're, we're nineties kids. I'm a little older than Matt, but we came up watching the same movies. We got Patrick Renna joining us a little later. For those of you who don't know

him by Patrick Renna, I hate to do this as someone who's called by a character name over and over again, but he played Hamilton, Ham Porter in the Sandlot, which I think is our all-time favorite like sports, kids sports movie, right? That's up there for me. Did we do that for drama? It's probably my number one sports movie of all time. Yes, and he's got a book coming out. He's got kids himself too. I think he coaches, so we're going to get into all Sandlot stuff, but then we're just going to, he's just a book coming out. Not just kids, but sports movies. He's got kids himself too. I think he coaches. So we're going to get into all Sandlot stuff. But then we're just going to, he's just a funny dude. Can't wait to talk to him.

We're even going to do our Throwback 3 with him, which our Throwback 3 is going to be in honor of him. Those 90s kids movies. Who are our Throwback 3 favorite characters? I think we have to relieve him. We have to take the Sandlot off the table, I think. Don't we? I may have a honorable,

I may have a special Sandlot character because I just, I wanna get his reaction why I'm gonna say my character. So my first quick Super Bowl story, the first Super Bowl I ever went to was Packers Steelers, Aaron Rodgers' lone Super Bowl win in Dallas. Now if you remember Dallas it snowed and hadn't snowed in Dallas in years and they were not prepared for the snow so it was kind of a mess. I was shooting stuff with Max Greenfield for this direct

TV show and this girl I was dating not Bree sorry this is 2010. It was going well she was at the Super Bowl too took a left turn things going well, she was at the Super Bowl too, took a left turn, things didn't go so well at the Super Bowl, realized that she wasn't Mrs. Ferrara. We kind of ended there at the Super Bowl, and then Sunday morning, my flight was until like four o'clock so I was gonna miss the game. So I ran into some friends, one of which happens to own

a jet company, and I said, is there anybody on earth leaving Dallas, going back to LA Sunday morning? I mean, I'll pay a little. I really want to go for 40 grand to fly home. There's no flights home. So you're the guy that says, I'll pay a little, knowing that they're not going to take like a couple grand from here.

Right, but there's no coach flights. Spirit wasn't around. There's zero flights back to LA. So I took took a shot if I had to wait for my flight I'd wait I took a shot everyone in the Super Bowl selling something so I get a call saying yeah we someone's going home at like nine o'clock in the morning Sunday he's cool he's the only one on the plane it's his plane he's alone he said I'll fly you back I show up to the airport now, they don't tell me who, I'm like, who's fucking plane is this gonna be?

This could be anybody. I walk on the plane, David Spade. Me and David Spade flew home. Just you two? Just the two of us. By the way, coolest dude ever, we talked for like two hours back to LA. I was back on my couch for the national anthem,

and I never saw that girl again. I mean, that was it. I was back on my couch for the national anthem and I never saw that girl again. I mean, that was it. It was destiny. By the way, there's nothing better. I every, I've only been to one Superbowl as a fan. It was 07, 06 or 07. It was in Arizona because I was in Arizona. So I hosted a lot of stuff and it actually, it was, sorry, it was the one with the giants beat the Patriots. That's a guy with the catch. So I was at that one in a suite. It's the only Super Bowl that I've stayed for since then. I've probably been from 07 to 24.

I've probably been to 12, like week. I usually go fairly every year. I always come back and lay on my couch for the game. What was the most fun though you've had? What city provided you the most fun at a Super Bowl? Oh Miami, dude. Miami, yeah. Of course.

Of course. Miami, the Super Bowl in Miami, it was 06. It was my Monday night football game. It was Bears Colts in the rain. Peyton Manning won. Oh, is that the Rex Grossman? Rex Grossman led them to Super Bowl. That was the year that we played them on Monday Night Football. Yeah. And I remember I was at gosh,

what's the mansion there? It was like the famous designer's mansion that had parties. Versace Versace Versace mansion. I was there with I remember Fergie. I was hanging out with Fergie. Very good. She didn't sing the national anthem. I think Scarlett Johansson. Scar Jo! She probably remembers me. Oh, I hope she's at the red carpet. Shout out to Pantera Sarah. You remember Pantera Sarah. Yeah, so Pantera Sarah was out there. Yeah, I think Andy Roddick. Of course, I mean, who doesn't feel like an LA? Yeah, so Pantera Sarah was out there. Yeah, I think Andy Roddick,

I mean, I'm just name dropping right now, but it was just like one of those years where it was just all time. Like it was like, I was 24 years old in Miami after my rookie year. It was pretty epic. But yeah, I mean, I've had, there's a lot of great Super Bowl stories.

Shit, I had a blast at Vegas last year. I was there too. Eight days removed from hip surgery. Some might say the birth of throwbacks, shout out Eric Wells and Alex Gleitman, the birth of throwbacks happened in Vegas at that Super Bowl. My first conversation with Sinclair. I was going to say, because I had nothing to do with that. It was dinner in the Aria Super Bowl week last year.

So that was the birth of throwbacks. All right, well speaking of the birth of, you know, talk about the birth of throwbacks at the Super Bowl. How about the birth of Jaden Daniels, Jerry? Ooh! Like, is it the greatest? The chosen one.

I'm like, I'm still, I can't say that, it's weird because I've been thinking about this a lot. It's like, you know, cause there's so much, Caleb Williams went one, Daniels went two, this quarterback class, right? It was like the six first rounders. Bo Nix was fantastic this year. I think Michael Pennex is gonna be great.

Like it might, when it's all said and done, it might be the greatest quarterback class ever, right? If some of these guys start to win playoff games, Super Bowls. What is it about Jayden Daniels? Like, I just think he's the best rookie quarterback we've ever seen. And Andrew Luck had a great rookie year,

Ben Roethlisberger had a great rookie year, RG3 had a great, there's some guys that have been able to take their team to plus. I just, the maturity and what he's been able to do in one year from the commanders winning, what, four games last year new coach GM like Everything new on that team and for him to do this and put this team in this position And I think have a real shot of beating the Eagles this weekend real shot like it is

It's wild to me how great he has been this year. Here's my my opinion on it. I Think his it's it's so great. it's not even shocking at this point. Right. Meaning like- It's expected. Right. It's one thing if a guy plays well and then gets really, really hot. That's not what this is. He's been playing this way most of the year. Then he got a little injury setback. And then once he kind of got past that, returned right back to form. It's the poise. It's the confidence when you and you know, that's why

I almost want to ask you like go back to your rookie year. Like this dude just, it doesn't feel like he's a rookie. I feel like he's been in my life for five years already, you know, and I'm not surprised by what he's doing, even though I should be, because this does not happen often, and he just controls the game almost like a great point guard even in the NBA. The tempo, the pace, just when you think, oh, all right, third and seven, huge play, this moment might be too big for him, he wiggles out of the pocket.

It just looks so easy, and we know it's not, and you know it's not, you played the game. So that's what stands out to me. I don't feel like he's I feel like I've been watching this dude for five years I saw I saw like he came out and said talked about the VR training like the virtual reality I don't know if you saw that buy that stock if you could buy VR Training a lot. There's a quarter copy that yeah, there's quarterbacks that had done that that's been around for a little bit of time now Not a long time, but a little bit of time. And I think Stanford, Yes. David Shaw had that.

I think it was back in Stanford did that. And I was always a visual learner. Like I would take my notes and you kind of study, you memorize the plays and whatever, and you go through them in your head. But like, I was just visual. I had to see it in practice. I had to see it in a film, whatever.

And like, he spends hours and hours on VR, and it actually makes a lot of sense because I was reading something where Kingsbury has in his voice notes and gives him the play in the VR, so it's actually his recorded voice. So when you go through that. Simulating it. And you're a simulator, right?

You go through that, and I don't know if you've ever done it. I put on VR glasses. Yeah. And it is like. It's incredible now. But in a football thing, it is literally like your D-Tackle's right here. You're seeing it like it's a real game.

And then boom, they're reacting on the snap. They're getting into their defensive coverages. And I was like, holy shit, that is unbelievable. And if you can master that and do that enough, then when you do in game day and you're just reacting, right, football is all about reacting, right? Presnap, kind of having an understanding where you want to go with the football

and then you have the two or three seconds to react. He's doing it as good as anybody in football. It's like he has all the time in the world. And it's unbelievable. Like I was thinking about Josh Allen, Lamar, obviously Mahomes, and Mahomes statistically didn't have a great year, but look where he's at again. And Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels is a top five quarterback

in the league right now. And that's not far-fetched, but like he's above. Herbert to me, he's above a lot of these guys that like we see talent and all that. He's going to be, I don't know know and he's doing it without I think an A-list supporting cast. I mean if you really think about it we've talked about that last week. We talked about that with Shady like who does Josh Allen have right? Who does you know Lamar have who'd like some of these guys have like who does Jade and Daniel it's not a shot it's just like you

know like they're gonna start to get dudes because dudes are gonna be like, I wanna go play with that quarterback and have a chance to win a Super Bowl. And he's been incredible. I'm excited this weekend. I mean, Philly's tough. That's obviously a tough matchup, tough pace to play and a great defense.

But telling you, man, you gotta score 35 points to beat them. It's the ultimate test because we know how hostile Philly's gonna be. Yeah. We know now who knows what the weather's gonna be. To me, the whole weekend just is just summed up with two teams played really, really well in those conditions. Like the Eagles played really well and the Bills played really well in those conditions. Those might be similar conditions, we don't know.

It's the ultimate test, but again, I'm not trying to bring it back to the Giants here, but this is a normal chain reaction that I followed going through my Jaden Daniels experience. I remember you, and we'll talk about really quick, like, hard knocks. Literally, Shane's kid was telling him, trade up and draft Jaden Daniels. And I'm sure he tried, by the way. I'm sure he tried. It wasn't gonna happen but Tommy DeVito two years ago and I love Tommy DeVito great story won a very very pointless game for the Giants not pointless for him not

pointless for the players for the organization and the fans it was a pointless win for Tommy DeVito and the players playing for contracts and just pride very meaningful game, of course. And it drops the Giants out of the two slot into whatever they were. I would like to avoid this, meaning look at this year. We got the Titans, got the Raiders, Giants, Patriots. Who else? Browns, right? Those are our five poo poo teams.

Do you think one of those teams deserves the number one overall pick more than the other? Like, if the Titans and the Giants played on a neutral field 10 times, do we think it's not five and five? Maybe one team gets the six and four? You're in your hypothetical. What I'm saying on that to say is why can't the NFL- The worst team in the NFL gets the number one pick. I get it. There's five really, really bad teams that all are worthy of that award. The tie break

system is crazy of how they determine... It's layered, yeah, for sure. It's layered with, oh, strength of schedule. Why not adopt the one thing that the NBA maybe does better than football? the lottery system. Why not? Why not take those five teams? I mean, whatever. So you're saying take the, because in the lottery in the NBA, it's what, 10, 12?

Yes, but yes. Yes, it's 10, 12, but really it's heavily weighted for three teams, five teams to be in the top three. And then once they get the top three, it goes, yes. The top one, the five worst teams in the NFL who get to pick the top five, you want to do a lottery based on that. For the number one overall pick, yes.

Because I don't see a difference in the Giants, the Raiders, the Titans, the Browns. I don't see a difference. And you see now how quickly you could turn a franchise around and NBA did it for what to avoid 10 Jacksonville NBA did it to avoid tanking right? Andrew gunlings Philadelphia 76ers won what 12 games and got to get the number one pick We saw it with Wemby, right? You couldn't just straight. Hey Wemby. You can't compare the number one picks in the NBA to the number one picks in the NFL. And there's only been one or two. It's close now. Jaden Daniels and Wemby. Wemby has a

much brighter future because it's basketball. Look at the, look at what this number one, number one picks in the NFL are far less impactful than the number one picks in the NBA. Far less over history. Even with the importance of quarterback now? Yes. And quarterback being the most important position in sports? Most number one quarterback picks don't pan out. Right, but when you get that one, that does. But I'm saying, yeah, one every.

Think about it. I mean, think about that. Who are the number? Obviously, Baker was the number. But it just doesn't happen that often. Whereas in the NBA, it's a lot easier. You get Wemby, you get LeBron, you get, you know, it was Anthony Edwards, number one, you get like guys that literally, cause NBA is a lot different. You have five guys.

There's been some NBA whiffs at number one too. Oh, of course. I would, I would, I would die on a hill and bet more money that more number one draft picks in the NBA have had a more significant impact for their franchise quicker than number one draft picks for the NFL. I just think that if the NFL had a lottery system, it would take away this bizarre debate we're starting to get into when we get into week 15, 16, 17 and 18 of like, it seems going nowhere. Why do they need to win this? Like I get the player aspect.

The players should not give a shit about the org in their draft. Why would they? But that's the whole point. But it does matter to the organization. All right, we won three games instead of two. And it's only because this team rested every one of their players.

The Bills sent out a second string unit, and the Patriots won a game, and they lost the number one overall pick. The Bills didn't try to win the game. I think, I mean, but now you're being so specific with one week a year that's like, okay, that just so happened that the Kansas City Chiefs didn't- Think about the content of a lottery for the NFL. The Kansas City Chiefs benched their starters, the Broncos beat them, right?

And if the Broncos were to lose that game, that was the Bengals were getting, like everything was on the line, the Bengals are sitting there like, shit. I'm just saying like that happens, yes, it happens. It happens in all sports, but like tanking is not a thing in the NFL, it's too hard to do. There's too much that's on the line. I don't, I don't, I don't, look, I don't mind it. Like I don't mind the top five.

How fun would it be though? It would be fun, it would be fun. I don't mind it, I just don't think it has the same type of impact in the NFL that it does in the NBA. I just it just doesn't. I'll hear you on that. I guess I really just this is just more sour grapes of wow. I wish the Giants had the two pick and took Jane Daniels. And similarly this year, I'm glad the players cults out of pride, but I wish we were getting Picks to go Trevor Lawrence Trayvon Walker You don't know a team he probably plays on Bryce Young Jaguars Bryce Young and Caleb Williams and obviously Caleb's a rookie and had a pretty good year Trevor Lawrence I mean he's been paid but I mean right but this even goes for the number two and three pick as well

That's what I'm saying. It's not just number one. It's number two. Jaden Daniels number three. I will say I will say this year this year Stroud Stroud was going to the top, you know, by the way Stroud also rookie years had a fantastic rookie year last year I would say like this year more than ever. I don't think People say people care to be the number one pick in the draft. This is, it's not a, like you have a couple- It's not last year. It's not last year.

You have Shador Sanders, you have a Cam Ward, or your quarterbacks who, you know, like, I just think this year people are going to stretch to get a player. Whereas last year you had, you know, I mean, guys, I didn't even mention J.J. McCarthy. Obviously you had four or five guys that just had like first round grades and like, like these are can't miss players this year. It'll be different. So that's why I don't think the giants like giants are picking three.

Like you have, you have like Travis, you have other guys and and you might one of those QBs might follow the three. You just never know, dude. But I just think it would be awesome. NFL Roger Goodell does not listen to this podcast. You know, that's a fun money making idea. You know, it is again. What is your speaking from a fan? Imagine doing it at halftime of this weekend's games like coming up at halftime of the Bills Chiefs.

We're going to do the NFL lottery. Everyone right now listening to the show is like, wow, that would be fucking. You know how they bring like, they'll bring like a former player coach or like in the lottery room. Maybe the same thing. Maybe they'll bring you. Maybe Arizona Cardinals, Matt sitting in for the lottery. Matt, you could be their good luck charm, bro. You could be their good luck charm. Then you have to go every single year. That would be funny. Anyway, that's how I thought of Jaden Daniels. I would be last on that list.

The point of this whole thing is, God, it would be fun to have Jaden Daniels on my favorite team. He's awesome, congrats. I mean, and I really do give them a really, really good chance. So. I do too.

Did you, none of the teams you ever played for participated in Hard Knocks, right? No. No. Well you're probably better off because the other thing that jumped out to me watching Saquon slap his helmet while he's running for touchdowns in the snow and apparently Shady McCoy tweeted, called Saquon, gave him the blueprint to running in the snow and fill even though Saquon. I saw that. Get your cleats right. Get your cleats right. We're done with this hard knocks front office thing. No team's ever going to do that ever again, right?

After watching the drama with Joe Shane and Jayden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy and then Saquon, like it's the worst idea of all time, right? I mean, some, yeah, like when I was playing, I was on teams that were like, absolutely not. Hell no. How'd you feel about as a player? If hard, oh, Matt, we're going to be able to do cameras are going to be everywhere now

too. In addition to all the other shit I mean, gosh, I, if I could put myself back in that, like, I think exposure for your organization sometimes I think it does. I think I, I personally, and I'm sure you feel the same as a fan. I love that. I enjoy watching. I think it does. I think I personally, and I'm sure you feel the same as a fan, I love that. I enjoy watching it. I love it. I think it's great because I also like,

I love people getting a chance to see what we actually go through on a day to day basis. The grind, like the mental toll, the good, the bad, all of that stuff. I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool to see. But to your point, it's like, I don't think any team really in the NFL

like puts their hand up and says, hey, we'll be the team like we want. Now some do like if you're a new coach and like, shit, I want people to see this. Like I believe in myself, like we're up. Like it does have its benefits, but yeah. I mean, but again, like imagine if Saquon just didn't have the year he had,

then you know, or like we wouldn't be talking about that moment. But, God, that moment just sticks out with your kid. So for me, as much as I enjoyed watching that, and I love front office stuff, and I like to pretend to be a GM, it's just what Biggie said in the 10 crack commandments. Never let them know your next move. Even though the moves already happen. That's why I love Leon Rose with the Knicks. Biggie said in the 10 crack commandments never let them know your next move even though the moves already happen that's why I love Leon Rose with the Knicks everyone's so mad Leon Rose doesn't do interviews doesn't do press doesn't talk of it the fan the fans feel some kind of let us know the plan no no no you know

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Bill's Chiefs, as much as Lamar Raven's Chiefs would have been a lot of fun too, To me, this feels this is it. This feels like the way it was going. It would have been great. Bill's Chiefs as well. I mean, Ravens Chiefs as well. But I don't know. I just feel like these two teams have been circling each other all year long. Every year, which is, I mean- Fourth meeting. I feel like it's, this is Josh Allen's time, right? It just feels like that. I don't know if he loses again, because remember, I think the last time they lost, right? That was the last time he marched him down

and then the Bills defense couldn't stop Mahomes. Was that the last time they matched up? Yeah, so 2020- And Allen was terrific. 2020 AFC championship game, Chiefs 38-24. So they had it handily. 2021 AFC divisional round, Chiefs 42, Bills 36, OT.

That's the 13 seconds game. That's the one that's stings. That's the one where Josh Allen's balled and his defense was absolutely terrible. And then 2023 divisional round, Tyler Bass had a field goal to tie it and missed it with a buck 43 left game over. So I just think this is like, Josh Allen has to win. Like I think like for your own psyche confidence as a team. And they're, they've been arguably the best team in football this year outside of the Lions, obviously.

And I don't know, man. But it's just something about, we talked about last week, something about going on the road to Kansas City. And you saw Kansas City last week. It's like, OK, well, Travis Kelcey shows up in the playoffs. Mahomes shows up in the playoffs. Andy Reid is a Hall of Fame coach. Spagnolo is a Hall of Fame D coordinator.

Spagnolo is outstanding. Jones is an absolute of Fame coach. Spagnolo is a Hall of Fame D coordinator. Spagnolo is outstanding. Jones is an absolute monster up front. Their Chiefs defense is nice this year. I don't know. I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm rooting for Josh Allen and the bill is just to get to the bowl for him to win one because I like Josh Allen. But I'm telling you what, man, it is just something about playing up in Kansas City on the road in the playoffs. Well, also, you know, if for some reason we all pretty much knew the Chiefs were probably going to handle business against the Texans. And I know everybody's up in arms with the way my home's is officiating. I'm curious to just hear any thoughts you have on that

too. I don't really see, I mean, I see it. You don't see it? I do a little, but like this is going on. I mean, Troy Aikman even called him out during the game. Which I thought was great. I love Troy. And we're going to talk about maybe Troy in a minute too when we do our dynamic duels for Wendy's.

But what I was going to say though is, Alan needs Mahomes in this moment. If you know, he, I'm sure he'd be thrilled to make the Super Bowl no matter what, beat the Texans, beat whoever, of course. I'm just talking about, I would have already heard the conversations that for some reason, the Texans would have upset the Chiefs, and then the Bills host Houston and beat,

ah, well, he didn't beat Mahomes, so that's what we do. We poke holes, I don't always do that, but a lot of people do, so to me, this was the way it always has to end. This is you look at the run. He's, he might, he might be the MVP. We'll find out he's going to be damn close if he doesn't win it. Look at his path. I mean, he plays, he beats Lamar Jackson, who's who may win the MVP. And then you beat Patty Mahomes and then Jayden Daniels, the best,. Then we'll see in the Super Bowl. But yeah, I mean, this is, I think as a competitor and as a team, like sure and easy,

you play who's in front of you, your path is your path. But like to be able to beat those guys on this path will only add to the Hall of Fame career of Josh Allen that he's already built. Like it's, I'm fired up for this game. Like this is a game that I will be, I will be one week away from, you know, a week away from having a third baby,

a fourth kid. I will be fucking laid up on that couch watching this game. And I will tell my wife, the kids, they can sleep right, they can sit right next to me and watch football with daddy cause I'm not moving. Like I don't get fired up for a lot of NFL games this one I'm fired up for this one I'm fired I'm excited to watch I'm not gonna ask you Super Bowl picks but what would be the most fun matchup not even saying who should be

there X's and O's taking that take narratives in play and and styles what do you think would be the most I think think fun. I mean, I think, I think Jane Daniels by far. Daniels versus Allen. That's my pick for most fun. I think fun entertainment storyline, rookie stud, Dan Quinn, great coach, likable. Like, you know, they don't have a lot of stars on that team. Jane Daniels is a star. So I think he's electrifying to watch. You can make the same for Eagles with Saquon Barkley. He's electrifying. Like they, you know, they for Eagles with Saquon Barkley. He's electrifying. Like they have probably more stars on the team with AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts.

I think story of the commanders getting to the Superbowl is pretty awesome. And then, yeah, I just think Josh Allen. I think the Josh Allen is a star. The Bills have been close for years. And I think they're due, you know? And they have a fun team to watch too. And Josh Allen is just a, I mean, you're, you're a cat, you're a diehard Giants fan, but you're,

you're, you're an NFL fan. Oh, I love to watch those are, those are probably the two most fun two quarterbacks that you just like to sit back and like have a bag of popcorn. Like these two dudes are just like, this is who I want to watch play football game. Cause they're, cause they're a little, they're a little, Josh Allen's a little more reckless, a little more backyard football. He kind of runs around, makes plays. Jane Daniels is so polished for a rookie, but he's electric when he runs like a Lamar Jackson. We'll probably end up getting Eagles chiefs, but you know, well I got two things for you too. Uh,

I was trolling my nephew the whole game cause you know, it was the biggest Josh Allen. I think, I think he's the biggest Josh Allen stand of all time and that would have been my only fun thing if the Ravens were the one. I would have just annihilated him. We played each game on Madden and it played out exactly this way. I was the favorite in every game so I beat him with the Eagles and then he beat, well it played out to be bills commanders We did not play that game yet But the this past weekend this round it were four for four and I bet it all four ways that the man

So I'm guessing I'm guessing if it's a bills commander, so it's bills commanders according to our males. He gets oh We're gonna play that probably tonight. Maybe we'll stream it. He of course. Yeah, he's gonna smoke me with the bills We're going to play that probably tonight. Maybe we'll stream it. He of course, yeah, he's going to smoke me with the bills. But yeah, and then remember Justin Crowell, who we had on a few weeks ago, who said he had a bank account, a separate bank account with Super Bowl money.

I have not texted him yet because I'm giving him a week. I'm giving him a full week before I text him. I got a couple people in my circle of friends, a close friend of ours. She's a diehard from Detroit Lions fan, like through and through, lived through the pain and it was just, I, they lost and I immediately thought of her and I was just like, I think I just texted her, how we doing? I didn't even text Crowley. I'm going to text him this weekend.

Whatever she said back, I was like, I literally felt I felt her pain. I was like I could I feel it cuz it was like You only get so many opportunities man. You know, you know what stood out to me with that Lions game I wanted to ask you about this too again. I I just did a whole rant about the NFL having a lottery Maybe I'm dumb. I don't love that the prestigious OC and DC of a team can take these interviews while their team is on the playoff run. I don't think it's fair. Why? Because you're the Patriots that you are shittier than everybody else. You get to hire your coach. Like I'm sure the Lions are not interviewing replacements or

maybe they are for Ben Johnson and for Aaron Glenn. Like, last week before the game, knowing those guys are going to leave. I'm not saying it affects the outcome of the game in any way, but can we not make a league-wide rule? Like, hey, the day after the Super Bowl, everyone can talk to everyone. What gets hurt by that? So I texted our boy, Peter Schrager. What did Schrager say? So he said they can do it after the playoffs

They just wait until the divisional round because then they do it in person and the problem is and this is where You don't that the NFL combine is literally like a week and a half after the Super Bowl Okay, maybe in Indy so We were talking this week. So like you're like it's year-round dude. So like the minute the Super Bowl. Maybe in Indy. So we were talking this week, so like it's year round, dude. So like the minute the Super Bowl is over, and say Ben Johnson's coaching in the Super Bowl, and he probably lined up that interview,

he probably knows he's gonna get that job, they won't announce it till after the Super Bowl if he's still coaching. The next day he's in Chicago, he's already gearing up for the combine and, and scouting. It's just like, you just don't have time, dude. So I understand. But if the Lions win, Ben Johnson's not taking it. Like if the Lions go to the Super Bowl, the lion, then it's Chicago has to wait. But yeah, but they, they will, but, but I will say this, they will already have done all their interviews and they will know that probably they will

hire Ben Johnson the day after the Super Bowl. So they will already know that answer before it's done. And do you think there's even 1% if it's like a hey, Ben's like, all right, I'm in. Don't we can't announce it yet. Bears are like, all right, it's done. Is there a world where I'm accusing Ben Johnson as any coach? Are they like texting like, oh, here's who I really love Let's tell the Scouts to start looking at blah blah blah before it's inked because I don't know see I know I don't see

I just don't understand why no did you're on you're pretty you're no, dude You're like these are professionals. You are locked and loaded to win a Super Bowl. I get it That's why that's why I'm like for the spirit of the game, if it were my team, I would just be a little bit annoyed that like, because the whole broadcast too they're talking about these guys aren't going to be here next year. And then we're seeing like Ben Johnson throw, you know, I think it's just more, it's more, throwing a pass like was he not, he was showing off. I mean, I'm just saying like, why do we even have to think that like this guy's not gonna be here Let him enjoy this run, but they but everybody you know everybody already knows he's not gonna be there players included

Jared Goff included like you like these are Jared Goff might not be I'm kidding Okay, I think the biggest question is just gonna be whether you know who they replace I mean well my biggest takeaways Aaron Glenn. I think is Aaron Glenn's going the Jets is that well I mean that's a possibility. By the time this airs, it might all be done because we're taping this on a Wednesday. I will say this. I think the Lions are going to be OK.

It's a big hire, obviously, to get those guys. There's a lot of great candidates. The Lions had arguably the most unlucky run of injuries we have ever seen. Yes, it was horrendous. In the history of the NFL. I mean, defensively. I mean, how many start?

So it's not a- They lost defensive player of the year, probably. I mean, they lost probably seven or eight starters, I think, all year. Like, the whole, like, so they were kind of playing with house money in the playoff. Playoff is a different beast. You run into a team like the Commanders,

all of a sudden your defense, like you have to score 40 points to win. That's tough to do. So it's not a cop out for the Lions, like it just sucks. But to get to where they at with all those injuries, Lions like, like the Lions still have a window because I think they have most of their cores back

on both sides of the ball. They're not gonna go through the same injury bug next year. It's almost just impossible to do that. So the Lions are going to be around, man. Lions are going to be, Dan Campbell's a hell of a coach. He's got that place going. They're going to be around. They got a good nucleus of players.

But that was just absolutely heartbreaking. We're going to do dynamic duos in a second. So yeah, my big takeaway is if I had any power, it would be NFL lottery. And coaches can't do zoom interviews or any interviews until the day after the Super Bowl. I would etch that in stone and it would be, we'd all be better off for it. You know I'm right. You want to admit it. You might like it. You like it. You might be better off for it. I don't think anyone

else really cares. All right. The lottery, you have some, the lottery. I kind of, I'm kind of, I kind of understand what you're saying now, but let's do dynamic duos. Dynamic duos, it's time for dynamic duos, presented by Wendy's, two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's, terms apply. Each week, Matt and I, we sort of pick a category. We're gonna name our dynamic duo, whether it's receivers in football

or something with movies, television. This week, I think, because we've mentioned a few already. I think we're gonna do our Dynamic duo broadcast teams and there's been some of them have been very vocal and I think we're gonna keep it current We're not gonna do all time. These are current broadcast duos any sport Matt who do you got I mean Mine's just gonna be so biased, but I don't care. No, be biased. It's our show. We could do whatever we want.

Well, I love college football. So I'm going to give my boys, Gus Johnson, Joel Klatt, some love. Love. Can we get Gus Johnson on the show, please? Gus would be a great guest. I want to do a top five Gus Johnson call. And like I want him to hear the call and I want to know what were you thinking? He's just no one does it better with like 10 seconds. Gus has we could get Gus on the show. Gus would be Gus.

You just be prepared to sit back and just let him go for about an hour. Sounds good to me. Let the man cook. I love you know, there's only a couple voices in college football. I think Gus and Joel do a fantastic job. Obviously, I'm a little biased there, but I love those guys. I'll give just a quick kind of honorable mention. I think Richard Jefferson is calling games with Mike Breen

now, is that right? Because I used to love Breen. I used to love Breen with Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. I enjoyed those calls in the NBA, especially in the playoffs. Van Gundy is a coach now. I think brain is doing with RJ. So I think RJ took kind of JJ Reddick was doing it with doors Burke and bringing now JJ is coaching RJ kind of took some of that spot. So and RJ is.J.'s my boy. So, as bald as he is and just knowing him how I do, I'm gonna give a little shout out to R.J. And Mike Breen's the best too, so.

Mike Breen, you know, he does the Knicks games as well, locally, so he's with Clyde Frazier. But, I mean, Mike Breen has the best sports saying word. Bang! Like that's, he's made, it's iconic. He's done it. Yeah, he's great. You know what, I'm going to, real quick.

Burkhart and Brady, OK. Oh, we're going, he's zagging. Go ahead. I'm going to say this. KB is the best of the best. He does our World Series on Fox. He's filled in for Stone on our show a couple times over the years. KB is the best of the best. He does our World Series on Fox. He's filled in for Stone on our show a couple times over the years.

KB is a pros-pro. He's so good. I thought Tom, and I'm not just saying this, I thought Tom got better as the year went on. And I believe he's calling the Super Bowl. Yeah, that is correct. He's calling the Super Bowl. I mean, I should know this.

It's on Fox, but like in year one, which is pretty fucking cool. He had such a good moment with the 12 men on the field. He just, he just. He was losing his mind. There's 12 men, there's 12. He's giving you enough over, and he always knew like the dude's gonna prep

and get better, like he just is, cause that's his nature. I think he's given us enough to be like, he could be, I think he could be really great at this if he if he Just sticks with it for as long as he wants to So I'm gonna shout out Tom and and KB and then also Greg Olson. I'm just I'm just throwing in the fuck Yes, and you be you be yes, but and you should be a little biased

I mean you should I would be too if you asked me about the favorite best HBO duo is I'm gonna say turtle and drama You know not gonna say Tony Soprano and Pauly Walnuts. For me, well real quick, honorable mentions, Kevin Harlan signing with Amazon for the NBA, Iain Eagle for the NBA. They're not paired with anyone yet, but those two are gonna be a force. I love Kevin Harlan and I got to know his daughter a little bit. Look, and I'm not trying to not be a, I just love what Akeman and Buck are doing, specifically Akeman in the sense of, I do feel like Nance and Romo got so much early love. And by the way, I haven't seen an audience turn on a broadcaster in a way as quick as they've turned on Romo. I don't quite get it. They've turned on them

so quickly, but I feel like Akeman, maybe it's Brady's involved now on Romo. I don't quite get it. They've turned on him so quickly, but I feel like Aikman, maybe it's Brady's involved now, Romo, I just feel like he's risen to the challenge and is like, I'm gonna say some stuff. I'm letting it fly. And Joe Buck has one of the best voices. Joe's great. Specifically for baseball.

I love him with baseball, but then with football, obviously. Don't you feel, I mean, I feel like Aikman, I mean, Aikman's, Aikman, like he's one of those, he could say whatever he wants. I love- Calling everyone out. As I've learned, I know, I love that by the way. Being in media and being in what I do,

like a studio, pregame, an analyst, all that, I've learned a ton, right? And I listen to people differently now, because I listen. Maybe like if you're watching actors, you're like, oh, well, I would have maybe done that scene. You're looking at the art of it. Like, yeah, I do. I do. I still can separate and enjoy as a fan, but I do look at the art of it and like who I personally like listening to, or who I think talks too much, or who I just can't stand and there's a lot of those dudes. Akeman and Buck are just,

they're pros and they're just easy. I love an easy listen, man. I love to sit back. Again, I played the game so I don't need to learn a lot because I understand what's going on. So maybe it's different, but it's a very easy listen. I enjoy it. I don't need to turn the volume down. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't know. And they, and they've just been doing it for such a long time. And, and, and to your point, Aichman has, it seems a little more vocal this year. And I don't know. That's just like, he's kind of fuck it. I don't care

anymore. Or it's just, you know, like maybe enough's enough with certain things that he's kind of calling it out because he's one of the few people that can call it out and actually have like some credibility. So, yeah, they're great, man. Although the Brady, the Brady Burke, I mean, that's going to be an interesting Super Bowl. They will. And I really, I believe I think it's going to be a good, they're going to be a good broadcast because either way, there's going to be a lot too good, great quarterbacks. And regardless, people are down on Jalen hurts. I think from that, I mean, I just Brady flipping out over the 12 men on the field was awesome.

It was great. More of that. Give me more of that. I love it. Well, thank you, Wendy's. That's dynamic duo two faves again, just seven bucks. Got to be Wendy's. that's Dynamic Duo, two faves. Again, just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's. All right, let's bring on the one and only from The Sandlot, Patrick Renna. All right, he starred in one of the greatest sports movies, in my opinion, ever made as Hamilton Porter in The Sandlot, and he returned to baseball movies last year with the release of the film, You Gotta Believe,

and next month, which is what I'm excited for. He's got a brand new book coming out. Anyone who writes a book, in my opinion, like, I don't know. I just don't know how you even write a book, but we'll talk to him about that in a minute. Patrick Ranna, thank you for joining us, buddy. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks for having me. I was looking at Matt Heisman back there

because our fantasy football is a Heisman guy. And I was like like I have one of those but then I went oh no I doubt that's a real one. But I mean now that we're in fan well one I'm actually I think Jerry and I are going to start a fantasy football league this year and by the way I mean let's just throw it out there do you want to be our first the first member that we invite founding father even though let's do it Jerry's's of jerry's a fantasy football hater he hates it now but i convinced him to come back i'm in like six leagues he's just getting old

but one so i got oh yeah let's do it see now this is how you get me to stick around fantasy matt we get patrick in there now we're talking that's right i might be down on fantasy but i'm i'm a golf nerd like i'm trying to get Matt to golf. And he's gonna be one of those annoying, he just swings a club three times and he's awesome because he's an athlete. He doesn't know the struggle. But I've seen some stuff on your IG.

Is golf a new thing for you? One of the videos you made was hilarious where you pulled your hamstring and went down and just started busting out with some moves. So what's your golf obsession like these days? No, golf is actually I've been doing it a long time. I just took a break having kids because like we were just talking about you guys going to the Super Bowl after Matt has his third but but I have my wife like a whole Sunday, you know, with like me off a whole Sunday is just

not happening. Not with young kids. Now they're starting to get older. So they can have friend, you know, friend hangs and things like that. So I've been getting back out there. But I did it. I've been playing for like 20, 30 years or something. Oh, wow.

I'm not good enough. I should be better. But no one's What's your handicap? It well it got down to about a 12 or 13, but it's definitely it's not that right now. That's for sure So I already think the force of like we got the three of us. We just get a four We're getting we're getting out there in LA. Do you were talking about our kids off the air? We all have young boys on this podcast. It's interesting. Are they playing some sports these days? Like what is their

sport? Because it's a tricky thing. My kids five and three, like they play, they love it. They're not very good, but it's a chance to just run around with their friends. I've got a team, some of the coaching dad stuff in me. Where are you at with your kids in sports? Yeah, my oldest plays baseball and I just tell them you guys you have to play sports. You don't have to be great at it, but you just can't be behind an iPad all day. So yeah, that's the only thing I know to do. And, you know, he's he didn't love baseball for two years, but then he got this great coach and great team. And now he all he wants to do

is play baseball. So that's cool. And then my youngest just the four year old just started bought a basketball at the toy store and we've been playing basketball every morning, which funny enough is actually my my favorite sport. Like that's the one that I always Yeah, same here, brother, same here to watch play. It's probably the only one I'm really halfway decent at. I think it's hard, like baseball, cause I grew up a baseball kid, the whole baseball family, it was probably my best sport pitching until I got hurt. But I think at this age, we all have, you know,

we're all five, three, four, you have a seven year old, you said, baseball is really tough for the first couple of years. Cause the game is just, even when you're older, like to watch the game is so slow, I think, for these kids. Do you coach your other son's basketball team? Well, no, he hasn't started yet. I coached T-ball for my seven-year-old for two years.

But then out, when they get past T-ball, they actually need real coaches. Right. Like in T-ball, you're just like starfish, okay, point and throw, thank you. And then like, don't run around and kill everyone. So that's when it started to get real, I stopped. Jared have talked about this all the time. Like what type of coach would you be?

I mean, you can only imagine Jerry's a New Yorker, right? So he's just like the pacing back and forth. I don't really like, I coached my 18 year old son who kind of followed in my footsteps. He's going to be a quarterback in college, which is like super cool, like proud dad moment. But I only coached him really in baseball and football. And I've never really been like the yeller and screamer,

like, Hey, I'm going to put pressure on you. I've always, that my dad was like, what type of, I mean, I know T-ball is kind of different, but I was curious. Just like, what type of, I mean, I know T ball is kind of different, but I was curious. Just like, what type of, listen, are you yelling at these little ruggrats? No, no, I don't yell at the kids. I yell at the youngs. No, I definitely, I got some anger management issues that I need to work through on it. I, there was one game, I still kind of feel

bad about it, but my kids' team was like the Bad News Bears up until halfway, and they finally tied a game. They tied. That was the best they could do. And it was the third out, kid throws a pitch, the other team he whiffs, and the ump calls game, and then the guy on the pitching line goes, no, no, no, he fouled it. And then the ump goes, round was no, no, he followed it. And then the end was oh, yeah, I followed it. So they gave him another pitch and then the other team came back and won. And I was pissed. I was like kicking dirt. They went back and listened to the audio. It's debatable. I don't know. I kind of did hear a little

thing. So now I feel bad. But I I'm the hated guy in the whole league now because I went for it. I try to tell myself when that moment comes, first of all, I'll just be happy if the kids like sports. They don't even have to be that good or anything. It's just so we have stuff to talk about. Right. I just took them to their first basketball game last, you know, Cavs game.

They really loved it. But I think I will have more worry about embarrassing them than actually being like a good coach. So that would be top priority for me as coaching is like, don't embarrass your kids because they'll probably remember that forever. For sure. For sure. I mean, it's a great time to be watching the Cavs though. Damn. Yeah, listen, it's not a great time to live in Cleveland because of the freezing cold temperatures. But I Yeah, listen, it's not a great time to live in Cleveland because of the freezing cold temperatures, but yeah, my kids are Knicks fan.

I'm curious, who's your basketball team? Because you're a Boston guy, right? I'm from Boston, so. So Celtics? Yeah, I mean, I've been in LA a long time. Same, yeah, yeah. It's terrible, it's sacrilegious to say I'm a Lakers fan, but I grew up watching Shaq and Kobe.

I really shh. Yes, me too. I was a little kid, I'm like grew up watching Shaq and Tobi. Yes, me too. I was a little kid. I'm like, and he was so nice to me. It won me over. So, but I like the Celtics from the bird days and stuff like, you know, Parish, Kevin McHale. I went and watched those guys and I still love the Celtics and I'm a Boston fan for sure. But if it's Lakers, Celtics, like we've seen so many times, it's you lived in LA a lot longer than

Boston, right? So I know. And it's tough for me because I'm on the phone with my family. The luck, the thing for me is the Patriots was always easy because we had the team. Yeah. And I never, I mean, the Rams is cool now, but it took it took a few years to catch on. I still think it's taken. It's still catching. Yeah, it's still a little rough. yeah. I look at it like this with basketball too. For me, as much as I love watching it, I do need football to end before I could fully commit. Because basketball is, it's not quite as long as baseball, but basketball certainly does drag to the all-star break,

and then after the all-star break it kicks off. So for me, I'm excited for football also to end, because then we get to really nerd out on basketball. My Knicks are finally, finally good. So. Yeah, I just watched it. Knicks, Nets. And perfectly the all star break with the end of football.

I'm just glad you're not a Clippers fan because. Oh, God. Thank you. I feel so bad saying this, but it just like go to another city already. But where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Have you seen Diego's incredible loves a great city?

They would be so loved there. And honestly, the Chargers need to go back to San Diego. I don't get it. I don't get it. Well, they wouldn't build. They wouldn't build the Chargers, the new stadium. But I was just telling Jared the other day, I actually went to the Intuit Dome, which which we got invited. Like we got it was it was really incredible.

And I'm a diehard Laker. So I can't I've never been a Clippers guy. I do love bomber. I love what he's doing. I love the type of owner he is. It was a it was the best in game experience I've ever seen for like a professional. That's all it was. If you get a chance,

I ever take the kids or whatever, like it was pretty cool. Just like the tech and the ladies. Bummer is a great owner. He's like Mark Cuban, like you hate him cause they're, but you're like, ah, but they're good owners. They're like, they love the game.

They're trying to make it better. It's, you know. Okay. So my, I'm 41. And so I'm pumped talking to you, but my, you know, gosh, man, my 14 year old self is like just fired up. And I know I'm sure you talk about Sandlot all the time, but that's it literally Jerry and I were talking all week about this and like the greatest sports movie of all time, maybe in our opinion, it's withstand the test of time.

My kids, my kids watched it and they're five and three and a half and you know, we're all in the same, like it's pretty much 95% animated movies at this age. Going back, like, and we're talking about this, like Ham had such iconic, you know, one liners and iconic role. I'm curious, cause Jerry, I used to hear this all the time about how much of that, even though your kid was you or was scripted or was it like

improv and when you look back. It was kind of like controlled improv. The director of Sam Lock wrote it. He actually wrote and directed Radio Flyer too. You remember that movie? Yeah, of course. Wow. He got fired as a director halfway through the thing, which is crazy. Really? Then he wrote Sandlot and directed it. I don't know why, but he is a genius. So he wrote, directed and narrated Sandlot. So he was also probably, I don't even know how old he was. We were 13. He was maybe in his 20s.

So it's kind of like a big brother to us. But he would let us riff, but sort of guide us. It's almost like curb your enthusiasm, you know, where it's not just a hot mess. But that scene with me talking trash to the other team on the other field on their field, that he had a bullhorn in the dugout and he was just yelling and it was one take. So we rolled camera for probably 10 minutes. I realized this is back when it was filmed. Yeah. So that's a harder proposition.

Yeah. So he, he has everyone, you know, rifling through and he's yelling things for me to say at them. But then he's also cracking me up because he's like, I got to tell him if his sister was as ugly as you, whatever that line. So I'm like 13 cracking up going really. And he's going, yeah, we're rolling. Go, go, go.

So that I would love to see that outtake, like that whole, that whole shot. But the improv was sort of like that. The, the, uh, The fight scene before that, it goes to there where they're on our field, that was all written. I mean, he fully wrote it. And we would change things like, you're killing me smalls was written as you kill me smalls.

So I sort of like, I probably didn't come out that well. So I was like, what about you're killing me smalls? Or I don't know. So there were little things that we added, but a lot of it was written. So look, another thing we talk about on the show, because we do talk a lot about sports movies. One of my biggest pet peeves is when you can clear,

and no offense to the actor, but you could clearly see they've never either held a bat or a ball or whatever. There's that famous meme, I forget that actor, Robbie Amell, whatever his name is, throwing a football. football and he's like he has like a snapback on his release And again, if you never played that's fine You might look the part and they cheat around it But what I always loved about Sandlot as a kid who grew up loving baseball is all of you as kids Looked like you can play and you seemed like you certainly can play. It's my biggest pet peeve to do. Right.

Like, I mean, a crazy one, someone smokes a cigarette. I'm like, you've never smoked a cigarette in your life. Yeah, the that was, I mean, they didn't, it wasn't like we had to be amazing baseball players to get cast, but you definitely couldn't lie your way through it. They had, they had us on the field auditioning. So they would hire. That's what I was gonna ask you. But then all the kids were at a baseball field

and they said, the director loves you, but you don't have it yet. You gotta go play baseball with the kids, make sure you can play and you get along. I was probably the second best baseball player. So I wasn't worried because I actually did play and I've always been a moderately athletic guy for five, seven white dude, you know, like I'm decent, you know. But Mike Vitar was like, he went on to play college ball

or right. And he was amazing. Brandon Adams played pretty well. Shanty played well. I played well. There was a little bit of a drop off, but everyone knew what they were doing. Yeah, it sticks out. And what made it work was, you know, then when you come see Smalls come in and clearly, I don't know if he was able to play as a young kid, but that's what made it. Any kid out there who felt like even if they played a little bit,

but I remember those days seeing whether it was a basketball course or something like, wow, those kids, maybe they're a year older. They're really good. I can't play with those guys. So I remember being a little kid when Smalls is like, I'll play. I'm like, what are you doing?

Do you can't play with those kids? Yeah. The funny thing is he actually was better. He was good, right? In my opinion, he was the best actor out of all of us. He just was a trained, that was my first job. So I just was going natural, whatever, just trying to be real. But he was like a trained actor and he, thank God,

because he was actually pretty decent at baseball and had to act terrible. Right. A little bit. Like I remember, I vividly remember the director working with him on throwing a ball poorly because he was having a hard time doing it because you know, he was an athletic kid. You said you were 13, 13 or 14 when that show when you auditioned? I was 13 when we filmed it 14 when it came out. I mean, maybe you're too young with looking back, but like when you sign on for that show and you get that role and you're shooting it and you're hanging out with a bunch,

probably become some of your good buddies. And like, it's just like, I'm just looking back thinking like, man, I'm shooting a baseball movie at 14 years old with a bunch of kids. Like this is like, does it, when you're done or while you're shooting it at all, does it like say like, wow, this is gonna be pretty special? This was your first job.

So maybe you don't know what you don't know, but did you have a feeling? Did you have a feeling? Did you know? No? No, we didn't know it would be this, but we also knew that it was good. Because even then, they're watching Dailies

and they're coming back and they're super pumped. And it was my first movie, but you can tell if someone's lying. I mean, I've got movies where they're like, we just saw the days. It's so good. Yeah. We're in trouble. Everybody. I can tell.

So it was never that people were coming out and being like, well, guys, this is, this is good. Um, but it's funny. I. So my first, first job was a Nickelodeon thing that I booked. And I went and got the Hollywood agent for kids at the time, Judy Savage. And she- Oh, I was with Judy Savage for like three months. Yeah, she dropped me.

I love Judy. She had Jessica Beale. That was the big- That's right. That's right. That's right. That was the big name back in the day. That's right. So she told me, don't be surprised if you don't work

for a year or two. And right out the gate, I booked this Nickelodeon thing. And then my second audition was the Sandlot. So I'm like, dude, you're crazy. I'm golden. I'm on fire. And then I came off of Sandlot. And I think I did Sun and Law with Paul Eichor that later that year. So I didn't know rejection in the first few years at all. It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood audition life. And that's a wild life. I'll turn it around on you guys. I'm a huge, huge, I say Queens Boulevard. I love that, I love that throwback. But I'm a huge Entourage fan and I auditioned for Turtle.

Did you know that? Oh no, I did not know that. Oh shit. Damn, you would have been a good Turtle. But I can't do New York accent to save my life. I can sort of, I can sort of squeak out a Boston one, but. It was Boston for a while, by the way. Wahlberg wanted the guys to be from Boston.

It was our showrunner, Doug Allen, who was like, no, it's got to be New York. So Doug Allen screwed you. Dude, can you imagine if, oh my God, I'm talking to two turtles right now. It'd be the roles would be reversed. Yeah, I lived, I grew up about two blocks from Mark Wahlberg. Yeah. I lived in Dorchester. Dorchester. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy.

But so it wasn't until then that I started to, you know, audition and not get things and really see what it's like and kind of come down to reality for a few years. And I mean, luckily, I still worked consistently and I've only had this job. But you know, that beginning was weird. It was not like, not a normal beginning in Hollywood. Well, that era too, I do want to ask some more Sandlot stuff, but something else that we talk about. And I rack my brain because that really was the golden age

of the youth sports movie, right? Whether it's Sandlot, Mighty Ducks, Rookie of the Year, it just was this unbelievable run. And then even like if you look at the TV side, it was all like Dawson's Creek and all this, it was geared for teens and like young 20s. And at some point it all does go in a shift and it becomes 30-somethings and 40-somethings

and it comes back. But the one thing that hasn't come back, and I'm very, very bummed and I'm curious your take on it, I'm very concerned about sports movies in general. Because, number one, the documentaries are so good these days. They just are. The 30 for 30,

all the Netflix docs, they're great and they really happen. But there is something so magical about Sandlot and Mighty Ducks, about that nostalgia that you don't get from Docs. Does it ever come back? I think Moneyball ruined it.

I think Moneyball is too good of a movie. Right. They ruined it. Like, you can't even call that one of those sports movies because it's like, it's a drama. Yeah. Oscar worthy. It's not major league. It's not Sandlot. It's not Bad bad news bears. It's not, you know,

I know what you mean. There's something about those late 90s, mid 90s movies. They kind of followed on the like all those sweet 16 movies. Right. You know what I mean? The trend that they sort of had a bunch of those those kinds of movies and then rolled into the nostalgic sports movies. So we'll see. I agree. It'd be great to have another one come out. Yeah. So what, go ahead, Matt. Sorry. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was gonna say what, what is life like for you though, when Sandlock comes out? Like I've seen, you know, through my experience with Entourage,

it was such a slow burn, right? From getting the pilot to shooting the pilot, you wait four months, it gets picked up, it airs. Some people kind of watch it. Different experience, totally. And you were obviously a lot younger. You were a kid. That movie hits theaters. Was it instant or was Sandlot like a slower burn too that became... Yeah. it's been a really slow burn because it was a it was a success in the theaters. It made right. I think I think it made like 40 million. So what is that today? Maybe 100. Right. So you're like, okay, it did well. Cool. Didn't break any records wasn't Mighty Ducks, you know, wasn't Home Alone, which came out a year or two before.

But people loved it and it did well. Then it left the theaters and it came out on VHS and I think it started to snowball because people started buying it on VHS. Then it sort of, DVD came out, kind of started to snowball again, had a resurgence. So that first like 10 years, 15 years, it was really popular and people loved it. And it was a big deal.

But then when it hit the 20th anniversary and it started going to the next generation, I think it really started becoming something. Now I have three generations coming up to me, you know, grandfathers with their kid and their son and their grand like, and they've all seen it and love it. And there's something special about, you know, someone came up to me once and was like, thanks for being in our living room for the last 30 years. No, that's cool. Thank you. You know, so there's something about that longevity, I think that kind of makes it start being mean more to people.

And it's been a slow burn because of that. Like now it's hit like new heights and it's just crazy. Yeah, it's iconic. It's in the legendary. Does your seven, I'm assuming your boys have watched it with you, right? Yeah, but it's not the same. They don't understand it yet, right?

The magnitude of it. Like I showed him Goonies and he loved it. And that was cool for me. But also to realize I've seen Sandlot maybe five to 10 times. Right. I don't, I don't like just, it's not, it's not my Sandlot. My Sandlot is Goonies or, right. You know, so there's so many other shows that I'll show them. I think they get confused because they're like, that guy looks like you. So they're more into the TikTok stuff.

They'll watch my TikTok videos. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that. I was scrolling your TikTok because I got on. I'm still trying to get Jerry to grow a TikTok. But you're hilarious, dude. And also, the hamstring thing was a trend, Jerry. Jerry doesn't know about these trends.

I don't know. I'm old, dude. And also the hamstring thing was a trend, Jerry. Jerry doesn't know about these trends. I don't know. I'm old, guys. I saw the one where you were at the signing, the memorabilia signing with all your boys. How often do you guys get together? Does the group get together? And is it like time never flew by when you guys are together? Yeah, totally.

I mean, we're just like, you know, that was sort of like our high school or junior high, you know, the beginning of high school. So it's kind of like a high school reunion every time we see each other. A lot of them, seven of them travel more frequently with each other, because I have young kids, I'll join them once or twice a year.

And then Mike Vitar doesn't do any of it. He's a firefighter now. So he actually was front. He was in. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. I emailed him and checked in on him and he said, yep, I was in the Palisades or fighting it for days. It was, you know, damn tough one. And so he turned into a real hero, you know, so he doesn't, he's kind of like, but yeah, so he doesn't he's kind of like You know, he kind of quit acting and sort of isn't into the limelight. So he kind of just You know does this thing and of course understandably, you know, so we will we don't see him much but How many shows how many shows do you do? Do you guys do a year when those types of things?

Like the yeah autograph stuff. Yeah, you can do a year when those types of things? Like the autograph stuff. Yeah, you can do a lot. And if I was 20 and single and it didn't matter, I probably would love to hop in a Sprinter van and travel the US, you know? But married with kids, you're just like, I can't move from my family that much. It's so draining and it's a long hour. So I do a couple a year, you know.

And it's fun. It's it's cool. It's cool because you are there to meet people that love it and they're there to meet you. And it's sort of like you didn't just walk out of a hotel room, not having coffee or shower and be like, oh, what's up? It's nice, because everyone's like there. It's organized.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, it's really special. One quick thing, because I get asked this a lot and I started thinking about it in a different way. I'll get asked from time to time, well, what's your favorite scene in Entourage? And for me, similar to you, I've seen the episodes like a couple of times, it's not running on a loop

in the house, my kids can't watch it, they got another 15 years before they probably can. But when I get asked that question, I more go to the place of what was the most fun scene to shoot, right? Where I'm also thinking about the behind the scenes. You know, I could tell you like my favorite scene of Sandlot to watch, the one that gave me the feels

was the night game under the Fourth of July lights. Maybe that's because I'm from Brooklyn, there was no fields lit up. So I thought, wow, what a great idea of how to play a night game. I never played a night baseball game until I was like 17 years old. But for you, take me back for

a second, not even your favorite scene in the movie, but your favorite scene to shoot for whatever the reason of what it meant to you. Well, it's funny. I mean, that night scene was fun to shoot for us for sure, because we were doing all day shoots, right? They can only work as eight hours a day. So you got to stay. Right. You guys in De Niro, eight hours a day. That's right. That's right. So he, we, that was cool. I would say, I mean, the pool scene was pretty fun to shoot, you know. That's pretty iconic. There are a lot of, you know, lovely, beautiful ladies there for 13 year old dudes to be checking out Wendy

peppercorn. She only filmed one day. So we were like, Oh my god, Marley Shelton's coming today. Well, you know, like we're all freaking out. I mean, we're 13 year old boys, like, this was the best for us. And so I would say that was fun. It was freezing on that day. So that was, of course, of course it was. It was a hundred degrees every other day, but that day was freezing. Um, I think the, probably the carnival scene, we had a lot of fun. Yeah. We get big pukes are on us and writing carnival rides. And then one of the, you know, that the scene with me and Phillips on the sandlot was originally written for Benny, Mike Vitor. And that morning, the director changed his mind and said, you're gonna do it.

So that was a cool experience to, you know, he knocked on my trailer, I opened dramatically through the script at me and said, it's yours, kid. Like, you know, it's a 50s movie and like walked away. So I remember it like feeling cool. You know, it was an exciting moment. You were really doing it. You were doing the thing.

I was doing the thing. So I think he didn't want his hero in Benny to say all that stuff and it made sense. And he's probably thought, you know, who could say this stuff was him. So kind of that was an exciting experience. Can we, so I literally, I put in my notes, I have to ask you about Wendy Peffercorn in the pool scene

and you just brought it up. The best. I mean, I can only imagine, cause there's a few, cause we're all kind of the same age. So like that movie, you're a teenager and you think about like, there's certain movies and TV shows where you're just like, hey, look you back. It's so like, it's kind of so lame. But it's like, oh my gosh, it's like the one the scenes

that you remember. She was there for eight hours, you said? That was it one day? How many? How many takes? She might have been there two days because there were a few scenes that she did outside of the pool. Right. But we weren't there with her. I remember to see in the call sheet and it was I think it was Marty York. And maybe Shauncey had this scene with her and we were all jealous because we're like we have the day off. And then there's the pool scene. The

pool scene though was more than just her too. It was, you know, I had my whole walk up. Yeah. Ball. So, and then we're all playing in the pool. And then there's obviously the big scene with her, but yeah, she came in this beautiful Wendy Peppercorn and we're all, I think the director pulled us aside before too and was like,

Hey guys, keep your shit to you. Keep it to you. You know, like, Hey guys, keep your shit together. So it, you know, he knew, he knew for sure. That's all. Yeah. I don't know many, um, I love stories like that where it's like, wow, no one's really done more with one day of work than that. Like, you know, Marlon Brando's Superman. Exactly. It's, I mean, you're right. Superman. Exactly. Yes. I mean, you're right. I put it up there. We were just watching a land

man, right? land man's the show out right now with with Billy Bob Thornton and Ali Larder and Ali Larder. It's like, and she's terrific. But I think of the whipped cream bikini and varsity bars is like that. That's like, that's like one of those scenes that you just like, and I honestly like Wendy Peffercorn and Squince, right? With Squince was, it gets to her. It's just amazing, man.

And like every time I watch Lame Man, I'm like, that is whipped cream bikini. I'm sure she doesn't wanna be remembered for that, but yeah, there's some scenes. She's had such a great career otherwise, and so has Marlee Shelton, I think. Both of them, yeah. I know, they're incredible. Yeah, they're both incredible. I can great career otherwise and so is Marley Shelton. I know they're incredible Yeah, they're both incredible. I can't imagine they don't love it. I mean they're every Halloween

I see squints and Wendy. It's the perfect like sexy outfit for the lady and kind of not to Involve outfit right? It's got a pair of glasses Man I want to talk to you about your book. Cause number one, I secretly one day would love to write a book, but I don't know the first. I just, I just don't think I have the wherewithal to do it. But the title is a little sluggers guide to the unwritten

rules of baseball in life. So it's coming out February 25th. What I love before, without even reading it, it's such a smart move and I'm curious to read it because your character in The Sandlot was dishing out advice left and right. Whether it was baseball, like he really was the voice in the movie that was trying to help smalls along the way, but also giving us kids watching, just like a little bit of knowledge. So what can you tell us about the book, and how did that even come into play for you?

Because you got, you know, you're acting, you're producing stuff, writing a book is no easy task. Well, I've been a writer for years. No, just kidding. You had me, you had me. Me too. I was in. No, no, no, I'm like you, man. I, you know, I, I won't say I'm a

director because I, you know, I mean, I'd love to direct and I'd love to try it. But like, I'm not there. I would never say I'm a producer until I've been doing it now for five, six years. So now I can sort of say, yeah, I produce things, you know. But I, writing is something I've never done. I think starting with a, you know, a smaller, there's a lot of pictures. So it's a little easier to get through, but I, you know, the process actually was really cool.

Um, I, you know, the senior editor at one of the senior editors at Penguin Random House kind of of we worked really close together and this sort of concept of 20 rules about baseball and also life. It sort of, it was kind of easy for me because it started to fall in place and you realize, wow, sports and life are kind of one and the same. Like life is a game and you know, everything in sports, all these lessons,

you can sort of just learn them in life and don't take things too seriously. I mean in acting, you know, auditions, you gotta leave it at the door. You know, I heard great advice from, oh God, I got Walter in my head now, but from Breaking Bad. Brian Cranston, it's funny, I'm doing my like

annual rewatch of Breaking Bad right now. Yeah, he was Walter in that show. Walter White, sure. Yeah, so he has this great clip from something when he just talks about sort of, you know, as an actor, putting your all into an audition, giving it everything you have, going into that room, doing it, and the second the door closes, forgetting it,

because it's out of your hands now, and there's nothing you can do, and you just have to leave it at that moment, that door goes, you're onto something else. And I just feel like there's so many things with acting in life and baseball and sports in life that it kind of, it was just fun to figure it out and put it together.

So I'm really happy how it turned out. And it was a great start. I would love to write. I would love to do it more. But I'm like you. I'm a little nervous. Like, is my vocabulary big enough? Right.

Right. OK, cool. Do I really have enough to say? I think I do. But do I really have enough to say? Yeah. Well, I'm excited to read it. I look forward to it February February 25th

Everybody Matt, should we should we ask them do we want to listen? We do this thing every episode is the throwback three, right? I don't know I'm stressed out Well, we can even give you an option if you don't necessarily you can chime in you could you could jump in on ours But today's category in honor of you, we're gonna do 90s kid sports movie Characters, right? So you technically are a nominee. Although I feel like an honor of you I don't I don't want to put you on the spot where you have to give all Sandlot characters. You could participate with us

I wouldn't it's top three, right? It's top three. We're just doing three. And again, these are yours. This is not what everyone Jack Nicklaus be asked who the Mount Rushmore golf wasn't it? And he's like, I forgot who he said. Ben Hogan was one of them, someone else. And then he, but everyone he was like, probably blah, probably probably Tiger Woods. Yeah, probably. And then at the end though, he goes, and I'd like to join them. I thought that was a wonderful way of saying you're on that list. You're definitely on that list. You're definitely on the list, honestly. So I'm going to say, I'll tell you my three when you guys are done and then I'll finish

with, and I'd like to join them. All right, Matt, would you like to lead off? You want me to lead off? You know what? So why don't we do this? Because normally we go back and forth. I'll just give you my three. Okay, give me your three.

And then if you want to chime in on your three, you can do that. I'll just give you my three. Okay. So I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, would you like to lead off? You want me to lead off? You know what? So why don't we do this? Because normally we go back and forth. I'll just give you my three. OK, give me your three. And then, Pat, if you want to chime in on any of these. So we are, OK, look, we already talked.

I had Squints on there for the sole purpose of he has one of my favorite scenes of all time, of Wendy Pfeffer corn. We already kind of went into that. We don't have to dial. So I'll do these three. I got, gosh, where am I? OK, Henry Rowan

Gartner. Yes. Rookie of the Year. Right. One of the best. There was a great run. Yeah. What'd you say? I see him. I'll see him at those things. And we talked about going to Chicago and him throwing on the first pitch and me catching it. Oh my god. That would be electric. So I got Icebox Becky from Little Giants. Okay. Good one. Really underrated movie. Underrated movie. Great movie, obviously. And then I got Goldberg Mighty Ducks. It was one of my favorite.

And you also, I mean, we didn't even mention the big green. You played goalie in the big green. Which by the way- Good movie. Good movie. Underrated sports movie. One of my, I love that movie. Good movie. Good movie. Underrated sports movie. One of my, I love that movie. Yeah. So those are my three. I got, I got, I got squints, honorable mention. I got Henry from rookie of the year, uh, Becky Icebox and Goldberg from mighty ducks. Okay. So, all right. Should I, I'm going to, I, I as well have Henry Rowan Gardner. I went a different route. And look, by the way, I'm using the same thing as you, Patrick.

Like you're on my Mount Rushmore for the sake of giving people a different look. I'm not putting you on, but you're you're you're my you're my number. I'll be an honorable mention for me. Will be an honorable. Yeah, we could we could do a top three just of the Sandlot alone. I went Billy Haywood, right? By the Little Big League. Basically, kids, grandfather dies. He inherits, you know, great, great movie.

One of my favorites. And then wait, what was that? No, that's that's angels in the outfield. Little Big League is the one where he becomes the manager. He become which to me, because I used to think I was a GM when I was a kid, I still do to this day. I wanted nothing more than to just pretend that I could do that. And look, this is like a different,

I'm going with an adult for a second. You mentioned, you know, little giants. We got to give a shout out to Rick Moranis, okay? Who played the coach, who was Ed O'Neill's little brother. I just talk about like the underdog, they had the brother verse brother story, Ed O'Neill's character won the Heisman Award. So for me, that gave people like us, Matt,

five foot nothing, hundred and nothing, unlike you, who when you were 13, were probably six three, 230 pounds. I was definitely six three at 13, that's for sure. So I go a little underdog with Rick Moranis as the coach in Little Giants. That's a solid one. It's okay.

It's okay. It's okay, you don't like it? I mean, it's not a kid character. By the way. No, listen, you thought out of the box a little bit my alternate life I was a 90s sports movie kid cuz a lot of people out there if you see pictures of me early entourage We're like wow Goldberg's playing turtle on a rock. We look a little bit alike I said can't get over the fact that Patrick auditioned for Turtle. That's fine.

That's great. If it was Boston, he would have been a great turtle. All right, dude. What do you got? You got me. So I'm here's the thing. I'm not a huge Mighty Ducks guy, but I think it's because there's probably some healthy competition going on.

Yeah, sure. Sure. Like Brandon Adams is on Mighty Ducks and Sandlot. So right where the Ducks are around, we'll give him a hard time. What are you gonna hang out the ducks? And then Marty now that he's all jacked up, give me the dogs. That's so funny. It's pretty great though. So I will say this from the ducks. This is my favorite character and I am gonna put him on there is Elden Henson Yeah, I can read. Oh, yeah shot

Yes, just didn't know what he was doing. I love that guy. Yeah, I'm gonna put him on intimidating. Yeah, he was great I'm gonna go Todd Boas leave Jake Berman. I'm looking this up right now, but you know the guy Yeah, that guy from Berman. I'm looking this up right now, but you know, the guy, that guy from Little Giants, I love that. For sure. So those two were really funny. And then I'm gonna do an honorable mention of Willie Mays Hayes.

I know it's not kids, but- We're here for it. Right? Like Major League, I think is one of my favorite movies. Yeah. I think I put that as my top, I think. We had that as my top. I think we had that as my, that was your top like grown up sports. Yeah, we did grow. We did like top like adult sports movies, Major League and like white men can't jump. Those were like two of my top three

and then the third one I did Dougie Doug from Cool Runnings because I was sent. So I was like, hell yeah. What an era is such an era of how I mean,. So I was like, hell yeah, I love Dug Dug. I absolutely love Dug Dug. What an era, it was such an era of, how, I mean, before we let you go, man, like, you just spent, how competitive were you guys with Mighty Ducks? I guess Mighty Ducks was probably the biggest franchise right around that time. They were on your corner.

Yeah, we, we'll mess, we'll mess them up. We'll mess the other guys up. Devin Sawa and I, we kind of grew up together and he'll throw jabs at me on Twitter once in a while and I'll shoot back at him. We tried to start like a rock celebrity feud with, you know, how they do it. It didn't go very far, but we'll mess with each other. All right, I got a pitch for you then, okay?

And I don't know if this lines up, I don't know who golfs or not, but I would pay good money to watch whatever your foursome is with the Sandlot versus whatever the foursome is. And wherever Brandon goes, it's a controversial traffic. He can go ducks or Sandlot. I don't know if the, I mean, I don't know if Josh Jackson plays a little golf. We don't know, but I would pay to watch the Sandlot versus the Ducks.

I'm trying to think. I don't think any of those guys golf, which would be terrible. You're going to have to carry the team. But it comes down to you, Patrick. Or maybe not. Maybe it's just we put like an all-star team together and it's, you know, like random people against my foursome and you can be on my foursome. Oh, and we'll just go fake Goldberg, fake Goldberg. Oh, just go fake Goldberg fake Goldberg. I'll be fake Goldberg. You're the best man. I really gotta say I can't wait for the book. But also, you sound like, you know, you're doing the dad life just like Matt and I. So best to you and the fam. Good luck with the book and come back on soon. Let's let's play some golf, man. Let's tee up.

Fantasy football, dude. I mean, by the way, you got I mean, I'll send you guys my info. Yeah All right. Thank you, man. Appreciate you coming on buddy. All right. Thanks guys What a good dude and honestly that I really do think like sometimes I'll get asked like it was there for any movies You wish you were in or that ones that you auditioned for you didn't get and I really don't have that But if I can go back in time I used to think it was like Rudy would be a pretty cool movie to be in cause I'm undersized but tenacious. You kind of look like you could have played that role

for sure. That's my Halloween costume every year too. I just wear a Norderdame jacket and carry a Bible around. But the Sandlot, that's the one. That's the one as a kid you'd want to be in. It is. There's a handful of movies I I think, from that era, at least from our generation,

they just stand the test of time. Like Home Alone, right? Home Alone is that, Sandlot, whatever genre or category you want to put in sports, drama, whatever, it is just one of the greatest movies, I think, ever made. And I got to be honest, man, I don't really, I don't fan on people too much. If I got to be honest man, like I don't really I Don't fan on people too much. Like if I see some people I'm like, wow, that's so so like I just like that's one of my

Favorite movies of all time. So to talk to Patrick or him to come on and like, you know, that was a cool That was class. I said like my 14 year old self is just pumped right now because I'm also I mean he told us about the heat check of Marley Sheldon, which was Wendy Peffercorn. One day, you come in for six to eight hours, and you now have like a definitive character that'll last a lifetime. I mean, that scene, all of us in our,

in your 40s and probably 30s, when you think of Home Alone, or excuse me, you think of us, Sandlot, you think of sandlot, and then you're like, oh my gosh, but that pool scene, Wendy Peffercorn, how hot was she back in the day? Like that, like my brother has a Wendy Peffercorn shirt. My brother has like-

I thought you were gonna say tattoo. That would be a dope tattoo. He has all those old, like, you know, they have all the old- Nostalgic. Nostalgic, like the throwback shirts. He's got a Wendy Peffercorn shirt. So look, he was great.

The fact that he auditioned for Turtle is still mind blowing to me. I guess it's just, that's crazy. They cast a wide net. They cast a pretty wide net. But at one time, for real, it was Wahlberg wanted it to be sort of his Boston meatheads. And Doug Allen made it New York.

But I even want to say maybe Brandon, who we mentioned from Sandlot and Mighty Ducks, he might have been in the audition. I remember they looked at lots of people for. I always wondered if you know, like things happen for a reason, right? And obviously you crushed the role that was your that you were meant to add that role. But I always wonder when I go back to USC, like if Matt Castle would have won the starting job over me, it was, it was very sliding door. It was just that stuff.

It's like, I wouldn't be doing this. I probably would have never won the Heisman. I might not have ever played. I don't know. Like I would have probably transferred like things. I just think about that stuff all the time. Yeah. Don't you think about it?

I think it's just crazy. Like it's like all the time your, your path is your path and it brings you to a certain point. But I always wonder like, man, like what if I didn't win or what if you didn't get turtle for whatever reason? And what if it went to Patrick Renna? Like, it's just like, it's just, it's just crazy how that happens. A real big question that we could have fun with.

If if we do a trade, would I trade turtle for ham? Like, would I go back and would I rat like, would I go play ham or well it's different because Entourage was 10 years, right? But yeah, you were yeah, as terms of icon, I mean, Hamilton Porter is up there. So shout outs to Patrick Rennan. Look for the book again. But also look for us. February 8th. We said earlier in the show 3 30 Eastern 12 30 Pacific. Follow the throwbacks YouTube page. Follow us on all socials. We're in the show, 3.30 Eastern, 12.30 Pacific. Follow the Throwbacks YouTube page. Follow us on all socials. We're going to be live from the red carpet of the Fanatics Party in New Orleans, baby.

Can't wait. And then, Matt, I mean, big, big weekend. We talked about it all. So however you're watching, good luck to you this weekend if you happen to be putting some money on this game like me. Bill's Chase, baby. Let's go. Who got crushed with that commander's game

like everybody else. Somewhere too. I mean, god, Saquon Barkley wins the Super Bowl. It's going to be gross. By the way, enjoy. We only got a handful of football games left. I know, it's sad. Enjoy.

We got, what, three games left. Three football games left until next year. All right. Have fun, everybody. Enjoy. We just picked up a new fantasy football league with a new partner. That's a good, you know what?

Smart by you. Thank you. We gotta get a listener revolved too. Peace. Peace. Peace.