Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Joey Graziadei talks Dancing with the Stars, The Bachelor, his wedding and Philly Sports

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Winner of season 33 of Dancing with the Stars and host of the official DWTS podcast Joey Graziadei joins the show. Joey gives the guys an update on his engagement to Bachelorette star Kelsey Anderson and how wedding planning is going. Matt and Jerry give Joey wedding advice and ask what’s the best advice he’s gotten so far and wonder if he’s going to have a bachelor party. Later they ask Joey if he would ever defend his Dancing with the Stars crown and about his new gig as host of the official Dancing with the Stars podcast. Finally Joey talks Philly sports, his diehard Packers fandom he picked up from his mom and Kelsey being a Vikings fan throwing a wrench in that, and of course golfing with Matt in Scotland.    Finally the guys are joined by Annie Agar as they wonder what would be the biggest box office Super Bowl for the NFL this year and do another round of Twisted Trivia.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s  Wendy’s Chicken Tendys. Now at participating U.S. Wendy’s.  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  DoorDash Win weekly with DoorDash Streaks! Order every Saturday, save up to $250 during College Football Season. Terms Apply.    Zip Recruiter  Try FOR FREE at http://Ziprecruiter.com/Throwbacks  KaChava  Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS for 15% off your next order   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Who do you think would have a better chance to win Dancing with the Stars, me or Jerry? Tell him you got the two new hips, Matt. My hips move like Shakira. I've said that before. I almost want to see a dance meet right now. I see both the faces. I don't know if I could pick one of you guys. All right, welcome in everybody to throwbacks. Don't forget to like and subscribe on all social platforms, YouTube, Facebook. Not Facebook, just kidding.

I don't even know why I said that. Everything is at Throwback Show. We got a good one for you today. Stick around later. We got a little twisted tea trivia with Annie Agar. We're going to change the game a little bit as I catch up to Matt. But Matt, why don't you take it away because I'm hyped about this guest today? Yeah, buddy.

All right. This guy, he's versatile. He's a great tennis player. He's a single-digit handicap. I think on the golf course. I've seen it. He can split the G like nobody's business. And if you don't know what that is, look it up.

But more importantly, he out kicked his coverage on The Bachelor when he found loved and got engaged to his beautiful fiancé Kelsey, who is definitely now more famous than him. If that wasn't enough, he put on his dancing shoes. He won season 33 of Dancing with the Stars, a diehard Philly sports fan. And now the official host of the Dancing with the Stars podcast, my boy Joey Grosaday Joey G

what up baby What's up boys I love that intro How are you feeling today And by the way He's wearing a shellback Hat Which if you know

You know Jerry knows I know now Because Matt took me Through Manhattan Beach And said We gotta go have a drink here And take a shot

And buy the hat Joey Off that intro I'm not gonna lie I don't quite know What's splitting the G is Does that make me Some kind of like

Old Man What's splitting you know you got to get to uh scotland or ireland i feel like to fully understand that one but uh i love that matt hype me up for it but the truth is i think i went one for 13 uh on splitting the g during my time in scotland which i love it i mean let's let's start a different a different story here that i was actually good at it but it's uh it's drinking the guise and that first sip you take you're supposed to be able to split the g on the on the guise pint um and i'll tell you what jerry i tried a lot Like, I put some effort in when we were in Scotland.

You did. I put a lot of effort to get good at it. And I never got good, but I had a great buzz and we had a good time. So that's what's most important. Bro, dude, I mean, all these guys, everyone was just literally just taken back Guinness and pints and just splitting the G every time. Yeah, Joey is feeling it. You know, we rode back in the car the next day to the airport.

You saw me on two car rides. I feel like on that trip that were at my best. But the thing is, is no one told me that you could ask the bartender to fill it back up again. When I was trying to split the G, I was like, oh, I got to chug the rest of it. And then I got to go, I got to go in the next one. And yeah, I found out the smart people were just filling it back up so they weren't drinking multiple beers. Did anyone have it really going where they were really just like, I'll tell you, Jerry, I was not one of them. But that's okay. I'm going to keep trying. That's all it matters. Well, first of all, thanks for coming on, dude. We appreciate you.

We know you're a busy guy right now with the pod with dancing with the stars. And obviously, I mean, a champion of that show. But before we get into that, Just how is engagement life? I've had the honor to hang out with you this summer, get to know you and Kelsey, who I love. She's a sweetheart. What's engagement life like? And I know we got a wedding coming up. Dude, give us the goods. Yeah, man. Engagement life has been fun. Definitely just a different section of my life that I've been looking forward to where I get this ability to kind of just fall into the comfortability in this relationship with someone that, as you said, I outkick my coverage and I was so lucky to meet. But it's been really nice. I feel like as of this last

probably half a year to a year, we've really hit our stride and separating this idea of coming off a TV show and starting our real life and figuring out what makes the most sense for us. And I think we're just in this part of our life now. We're really trying to tackle things together and figure out what's going to make the most sense for us as we move forward. And that's what's been so exciting. I'm one of those guys that's always look forward to this section of my life because I love this idea of kind of build a life with someone. And that's where we're at right now. So wedding is going to be sometime in 2027. I owe my wedding planner a text back as of like two days ago. So I need to get on that. We're in the full, the full thick of it. But it's so fun because now

we're really starting to picture what that day is going to be looking like. And yeah, man, it's just, I mean, we'll get into it. I'm sure on this show. But getting off that show of The Bachelor and everything like that, it takes some time to really feel like you're in it. And we're, we've been fully in it this past half a year to a year and it's been awesome. Well, I feel like just seeing the jerseys you got going on in the background, we're talking off the air a little bit about your Phillies, you're a big sports guy. I'm guessing you're not doing the fall wedding thing. If I had to get, I was just guessing you're not going to be Sunday 1 p.m. fall. No, you can't do it. You can't do it. It's funny enough, actually, it's always trying to schedule stuff around that.

I feel like we're looking at a spring wedding when the sports are a little bit more dead. I think that's the strongest. But, yeah, I mean, this is the best time of the year for sports right now. We got playoff baseball. We're full swing in football. The basketball is already starting up again. So, yeah, the fall is Kelsey understands my love for sports. She always said it was a little surprising how much I love it because it's something that you can't really show right away on that show.

But she loves a live sporting event. So my favorite thing is now is we're trying to go to as many live sports as we can. She just loves the energy of it And you know, she's funny enough I'm Philly everything except for the Packers Because my mom grew up in Green Bay So I'm a diehard Packers fan That's usually the one I say I have like

The most allegiance to The one that's hard when they lose And funny enough Kelsey's dad is from North Dakota And she's a diehard Vikings fan So that's been a lot of fun Right from the get go That's a tough spot Because you can't do the team-in-law thing

Like my wife is from Cleveland They're all Browns fans a New Yorker. So I root for the Browns as my team in law. Your team in law is in direct conflict with your Packers. That's tough one. We play twice a year and she lets it be known when they play. I feel like she gets, she turns even more of a louder Vikings fan every time they play each other. So I just, I get ready for it every time. What kind of, I feel like this topic comes up all the time with Jerry, but what type of fan are you when you're watching your hometown play? because Jerry, as you can imagine, and you're a Philly guy, so I know Philly fans are

freaking psychotic. I played the Eagles once on Thanksgiving. I thought I was going to die leaving that story. What kind of fan are you watching these games? Because I watch games, like I'll watch a Dodgers game and I'm the eternal pessimist. We fucking suck. We're down to, like, I turn the TV off and Josie's like, oh my God, dude, you're the worst sports fan. Stay positive, man. Like, what are those, I was, what are those conversations like? with Kelsey when you're watching your team's play? We watched. I can go back to the,

I think it was the Cowboys and the Packers just played on that Sunday night game. And Kelsey, I think, had four or five times. She said she jumped up off the couch when I screamed because it came out of like nowhere. So I get in it. I feel like it's hard not to, especially when you're stupid enough like me to think that I could do better in that situation. At least you played and you can have some thought on it. I'm just the couch warrior that just has this idea.

that I could fix this. This is crazy that we're doing this. But I get vocal, I think, more in the Packer situation. But I do like to pride myself on probably being one of the more level-headed Philly sports fans. I love my Philly sports fans. I grew up with all of them. I was in Philly area from second grade through college. And I mean, they want to sell the team after every loss.

So I don't go that far. I probably have about like two to three hours of it ruined my day. And then I come back being like, at sports, we can come back to it. I think my boys are still probably grueling over that Eagles lost to this last week. I don't think that's going to drop for a bit against the Broncos. So that's going to hold for a little bit. Well, I got a question for you.

What was a greater night in your life, winning the Miraball trophy or watching the Eagles win a Super Bowl? I'm going to say the mirror ball because I loved seeing the Eagles win. But if it was the Packers, we would have an interesting conversation on it. I think we would. because it was we got to go to the shoot bowl we got to go this year i made a bucket list of 30 things i want to do before i turned 30 and one of them was to go see the street bowl and in my back of my head i'm like i'd be pretty sick of the packers went but of course i did that didn't even happen the eagles drown that early but then when the packers go out i do pull for the eagles so it was so fun

to go to that game the energy in new orleans is crazy but the mirror ball is pretty sick that that's one i'm gonna hold on to for a bit that's a hard feel i gotta be honest with you i'm jealous that would go up on the shelf for yeah it's it usually is right there but now that's It's in the podcast studio that we have every week just to kind of, you know, remind people that I did do something for you. Yeah, by the way, you're a champion, bro. You were a champion. You got a different kind of ring.

By the way, Jerry's a champion. He was a high times New Yorker of the year or something when he used to smoke a lot of the year, Matt. He used to smoke a lot of weird. That's an even more. I couldn't get that title. That's a more impressive title than I said. I couldn't win that one.

Joey, I'm going to flip it to something very serious now because I love golf. Like, I love golf. I try to sneak out of that. Joe's a stick, dude. I will lie. I will do whatever I got to do to play some golf. Okay.

How does Kelsey feel about the game? I saw the pictures of you and Rom and Hatton. I saw, I did a little deep dive. I saw a little swing, great positions. Oh, my guy. How does she feel? Is she into golf? Does she, because, like, it, as a married man now,

is the old head of the group. It's a hot button topic at times in my heart. household. I'm not going to lie. It's a great question because I would say it's also evolving too because I'm curious what Kelsey's relationship is going to be like with golf as we move forward. She knows I'm obsessed. It's not even a question. If you ask her right now what my favorite thing to do in my free time, she will always say golf because it's the right answer. I taught tennis for a living. I picked up the sport when I was about 21, 22. I started playing more consistently because I worked at a golf club and it was so easy to get out there. But my obsession got crazy. And the funny thing

is Kelsey's first experience of golf was the craziest one ever that she might be the only person that's ever been able to experience this. It was going to Masters on Saturday. That was her first introduction to golf in general going to a live golf event. And she was like, this is really fun. I'm like, you don't even know. Like you don't understand my mind is blown right now. And this is what you're going to be able to see. And it was hard to like live up to it after. But she got to come with Matt and I to Scotland on an amazing trip with Chavez Matthew to go and do for me to play. And it was cool because that was the time where she got to go and just she's walked with me. And she enjoys it.

She likes going on the golf course. She likes seeing it. But now that we've done so many of those trips, she's starting to be like, I kind of want to play. And she's got a decent swing. By the way. I'm curious. I'm curious to see what it would be like. That's the greatest thing you could do is Jerry and I, in marriage, you got to set the foundation.

early. You got to set, like, you got to, you just got to say, hey, babe, listen, like, we're going to golf together. It's going to be five or six hours a day. Just want to make sure, like, negotiations start to come and play a lot when you get kids. You're not there yet. But yeah, I mean, dude, this is something. Jerry is a living negotiation with his wife when it revolves around golf. I'm like, well, I'm going to listen to this. I hope this goes over well, Joe. I hope this goes over well. She likes you. I would say Kelsey's been amazing about the idea of, like, I love you having that time to go and spend with the boys. And it's a healthy way to get out. So that's, that's been awesome. She knows it's good for me mentally and all that kind of stuff. But I am really

like curious to see this next chapter. If she starts to get into it, if it's something we can do together, because I love that idea as well, too. You tell me we can add that into our vacation plans on the regular. I'm, dude, she's got a nice bag. I'm trying to make everything as perfect as possible when she wants to go and play. By the way, that's how they all start. Then it just changed. I'm sure. No, no, stay positive. Stay positive. Let's keep it positive. Something else, Matt and I were talking about the other day,

knowing when you were going to have you on, because I wanted to ask Matt if he had a Bachelor Party. I did not. I'm a little more, not that, like, down on Bachelor parties. I guess I don't want the, I didn't want the pressure of, like, we've got to have a great time. I definitely don't ever want to plan anyone's Bachelor Party. That to me sounds like the most possible stress.

So where do you stand, Joey? Now, you know, nice round of golf's not a bad idea. Where do you stand on The Bachelor Party as a art form? That's sort of slipping away in- Is it, though? Is it though? I think you're the only one I've heard that doesn't like a Bachelor party, but that's okay. I think it won't lie that I do agree it might have changed a little bit.

I feel like it was an automatic. And sometimes you hear people have almost like a hybrid where they kind of just like, well, this will count as my bachelor party type thing. They don't make it as big of a deal. I personally love the idea of having one, but mine is going to be shifted towards what I want to do. And all my boys already know exactly what mine's going to be. We're going to some middle of nowhere cabin or golf club,

and we're getting a big house and we're just going to play golf the entire weekend and fill up that house with drinks and food. And I don't need to go to some crazy bar. I don't need to be going and being like, last night ever single type of energy it's for me i love the idea of a celebration for something that i want to celebrate which is just a time of my boys to celebrate the idea that i'm about to get married and go do something i love which you get me a full golf trip i'm going to say yes all the time so that's i'm sure that's where it'll go i'm not trying to make it too crazy but

it'll be at some cool whether it's going to be something like a palm springs or somewhere more out there we'll go get a nice big house and go play golf the whole weekend and that that's my I got to come to this bachelor party. We got to become fast. You know what? I like it. I get it. I don't, I just, I don't know.

Something about being on the golf course six hours with some of my buddies. I'm thinking about my boys just doesn't sound like a great time. Hey, my guys know, too. I'm like, you got to sharpen up the game a little bit too. Everyone's got to be somewhere close to at least a 15. We can't be throwing the ball all over the place, Matt. You got to clean up the game if you're coming. So we got to get you there.

Yeah. That's like, that was like me in Scotland. and just just I just I just I just I don't like the joint bachelor like the joint bachelor bachelor bachelor bachelor parties I do think that it is a time for however you want to spend it but like I got to have I know people that are like yeah I'm just going to do it my with my with my girl I'm like like like what like what is that mean it's just it's just like it's just like it's like a one it's not even a last hurrah but it's got the rest of your lives yeah you got the rest of your lives like this is this is like you're you're

celebrating Joey on a weekend you're celebrating kelsey in a weekend like I don't know I agree I think I think I think that's the purpose of the wedding right the wedding is supposed to be celebration of both of you, but this is your one chance to kind of morph it how you want. And Kelsey's idea of what her perfect weekend to celebrate this is going to be way different than mine. So I don't think that makes sense to put those together. But it works for some people. It won't be how we do are. She makes jokes about it. I'm like, you go, you go have fun. I got different points. Two quick things really quick. One, I did have two bachelor parts. That's impressive. Don't act. Not surprised. Yeah, that was impressive. Shout out to my wife. She's the best. And second,

I'm just letting you know I'm one-for-one officiating weddings. I'm batting 100%. I'm ordained. We were just talking about this the other day. We went to two weddings. We were like, we got to really make sure we find someone solid. Dude, you just put yourself in the running immediately.

Our friends, Corey and Sammy, you know, I did, I officiated their wedding. A lot of nerves. I was probably more nervous than I've ever been, but I think I did pretty well. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, dude. Now, Joey, wouldn't you want, a seasoned professional of stage and screen. I speak for a living. I speak in front of people for a living.

Several Emmy Golden Globe nominations. 300 episodes of television. Wouldn't you want someone a little seasoned? I'll tell you what. That is pretty good interest. It's two great picks. I don't even know where to go here. We were talking about, though,

I think it is important to have someone that is very comfortable in front of an audience with a mic because it's that blend. You want to have them know your relationship. and be able to speak on it and the love itself. But it's also more important that that is just run efficiently. That's such a big part to like setting the tone of what your wedding is. And if it's someone that's not uncomfortable in a public speaking situation,

it affects the whole night. And we've noticed that recently. We're like, this is a big thing we've got to pay attention to for our wedding. Well, listen, man. You guys names are in the hat. You guys names are in the hat. We got time. That's all we could ask for.

So we always do this segment for Wendy's. and I think I have a good way to do it right now. So we're going to do, we usually do the Wendy's Fresh take, but instead we're going to do a little twist with you, Joe. What's been the best marriage advice? Everyone gives marriage advice. Me and Matt, when we get off the air, we're probably going to send you, hey, Joe,

don't ever go to bed angry, right? Like, what's been the best marriage advice to this point since the show that you have received? It's a great question. My best married advice that I've gotten in, it's been kind of consistent through a lot of, like, successful couples that I've talked to is just to keep dating to not forget the fact that as much as you're getting more comfortable with each other, just to kind of remember it,

you got to do a lot of those little things to keep it fresh, to keep it fun, keep each other on your toes. Because yeah, I'll be the first to him. I'm the type of guy that gets very comfortable and we just kind of can kind of exist at the same time in a lot of ways. And you got to remember that that's not something you want to always be the case. You got to keep the fire alive in the relationship. So yeah, that's the best advice. I feel like, I've gotten that I know is huge for me to remind myself personally. All I'm going to say to you as far as the actual wedding, I find that the entrance music, if you go that route, whatever you guys come out to as for the first time, it kind of sets

the tone for the night. Like the ceremony is going to be beautiful, but that song when you guys walk out, maybe you, you know, you show a little of your dancing skills, which everybody knows you have. That sets the tone for the night, buddy. All right. I'll remember that one. That's key. I'm gonna hold that one. That was our fresh take of the week. Presented by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's breakfast. We had a, we had a, I totally just, like, Josie's so angry still.

We had a whole thing. You know, you've seen weddings where they do like a choreograph dance or a song, kind of like to Jerry's point. This was for the reception. We had, I had a Tupac song that I, like, memorized. I already knew, and she had, like, I don't even know if it was Nikki Minaj or whatever, and we had something, and she was ready to do it. because she's, she's an actor.

She could do it. I chickened out like the week of. I was like, I can't do this, dude. I can't. Remember that when you cast your officiant, Joe? Okay. Oh, it was, uh, it was California love. And she was doing getting G with Miami, you know, the Cuban, California, whatever.

It was just, I was like, I can't do it. So you don't feel comfortable on the dance floor? It's not something you can do. Joey, that's a great segue as we get into dancing with the stars because, um, no, I do not. And, um, how did it feel? Take, take us back. You won season 33. of Dancing with the Stars. I'm super jealous

because I've loved this show for a long time. I know the wonderful Dina Katz, who is just like the brains and casting and all that behind the show. She's amazing. She's a Trojan. Going back to your experience, like winning that, how was that process? I'm just curious of like the

week to week and the day-to-day grind of that because I know there's a lot that goes into that. Man, I could talk about Dance with the Stars for hours. That show has changed my life fully in so many amazing ways. But it's just like, it's the whole process of how everyone puts it into it as you talked on dina she's the best with casting but she's so hands on through everything to make everyone feel comfortable um for me that it was it was a grind

dude i was fully in it and that's kind of how i am if i'm going to commit to something i'm committing to it fully and i just loved learning something new i'm also that guy it's why i fell in love with golf so much it's something that you know you can't master you're putting so much time and energy into something that there's always a new goal and dancing was the same way there's so many levels to it i i found out pretty quickly that i had rhythm i can listen to music pretty well and for some reason when you put me under that like those bright lights of okay this is live you got to go deliver a dance i was actually pretty damn good at it so all that came together like okay this is going to be a really fun experience but then i took the challenge of well how good can i actually get at ballroom dancing

because it's such a niche skill that takes time and energy. And that was my favorite part, was it just like, okay, I'm going to figure out how to get this technique down so that I can feel more confident and look even better out there and actually progress through this. But, dude, it starts off with like four hour days. But by the end, when you're learning two dances and you have like dances are an hour and a half, I'm sorry, a minute and a half long for a show, it's like, I mean, we're putting in six to eight hours days at the end. It's crazy. And it's no days off. You're in it the whole time. so I saw an interview you did

where I don't have the exact quote but you really equated it to like this is the closest I'm ever going to be to being a professional actor right and in hearing that it really got me thinking too you know especially like that Tarzan theme samba right like you hit that

and it literally was like Aaron Judge hitting a walk off home run like your social you just like do you even look at your phone when that episode airs because your social media must have just exploded when you hit that one. It was like a walk-off. Yeah, man, it's crazy. The reason why you feel like, I love that you just compared me to Aaron Judge. I'm going to hold on to that for a while. It had to be a Yankee. I understand. Hey, that was a big hit. It's understandable. But yeah, man, it's like the reason why I compared it to feeling like a

pro athlete because it was, I mean, I love sports growing up. I always wish I wasn't going to be able to play tennis professionally. But it was like the energy you put into something and then you know you have this one moment and everything just comes into this one moment. And you know that you only have this one moment. You could do amazing and block. And you could do amazing and dress rehearsal. But then it's a lot. No matter how prepped you are, you have this one shot to crush this dance. And that feeling you get in their stomach, those butterflies that I mean, I was on our season. We were at Danny Amandola and Dwight Howard and I got to talk to him before the show. And you could see, they had the same energy like they were before they were going to play a professional

game. I was like, this is so cool that I get this experience. But yeah, man, when those dances blew up, you got to be engaged because you're getting on your phone trying to get people to vote for you. It's part of the show. But I could not believe the amount of love and excitement and things that came along with it. It was just, it was such a fun bubble and period of time where, yeah, it was a live event that people look forward to every week. And that's the closest I will ever be to feeling like a professional athlete and pretty cool that I want it to. That's why I hold on to it even more. It has got to be.

What a moment. Is there a is there an overall strategy like like giving the contestants now advice and also what you went through? Clearly you got to put in the work, right? But is there a strategy when you look back like man like this is what you should do? And maybe it is just like being on your phone and trying to get everybody to vote for you. What was the strategy you took? You know, it was something that I don't know if you can either.

even like simulated or make it happen because it's so hard because I was so competitive and so in it that that was why I think I got to the point that I did. But at the same time, the biggest advice that I would give that I did make sure I did as much as I could, but it was hard to, was to have fun. Because you can't forget the fact that you are literally doing like a tango to a hair metal song in a wig and a flaming neck tattoo. It's not that serious. It is supposed to be so fun and so funny that we're doing this classic ballroom style to these, you know, modern day or classic songs. And you're like, it doesn't actually mix. It doesn't make sense. You're wearing ridiculous, fun outfits. And I think the competition sometimes you get caught in it

because you want to win. You want to do well. But the people fall in love with the stories of like that person is actually having so fun dancing. And I think I did a really good job of that if people saw me smiling and having so much fun. And that gets America behind you and voting for. you because you got to have fun with it. So I want to get into the podcast that you're hosting, but first I wanted to ask, you know, because I know they've reunited like the All-Stars on Dancing with the Stars, right? But, you know, you win season 33. I just like to make new rules for stuff.

Like my big thing with golf, I always say for the Ryder Cup, if you win the hole, you should get not the honors, you should get the rights. You could defer. You could say, you know what, Joey, you tee off on this par three. I want to see what the wind is doing. I think that would be a cool wrinkle. What if Dancing with the Stars is like, hey, Joe, you want to defend that title?

You want to defend that championship? We know you have a lot of aspirations post-dancing with the Stars and you're doing. You want to defend that. You want to defend that trophy? I put me and Jenna up against anyone. If I get my partner again, it's me and Jenna, I'm game. Let's go. You put us up against anybody.

I'd love to do it again, man. We really had so much fun and she's such a genius in what she does. So, yeah, put me and Jenna against anyone. I'm ready to go back out there and try to defend it. Who do you think would have a better chance to win Dancing with the Stars? Me or Jerry? Tell him you got the two new hips, Matt. You got two new hips.

Matt had double hip replacements. I did. My hips move like Shakira. I've said that before. I'm 5-6-155-0 flexibility. The thing is neither of you were giving me the confidence that you'd be a good dancer. That's what's scaring me. Yeah, so then you could then you could play off the likability factor, the storytelling, you know,

you get like I almost want to see a dance move right now to really make it make it here like to see who's willing to give one right now and see that see I see both the faces I don't know if I could pick one of you guys I'll I'll give it I'm a chair dancer I you know like I need to be able to move my I have this weird Jerry is Jerry's no I have this weird feeling that Jerry would be good I don't know what it's giving right now he's too tall Joey he's like six five he's too tall and that would Travis Kelsey's a great dancer you've seen him I know it would hurt you in frame though when you're too tall. I had, I was, I'm, I'm 5.11 and three quarters and I was perfect height with, with Jen and Heels do it in frame. So I'm, Jerry, I'm going to, I'm going to talk to

I'm going to pick you, Jerry. I'm going to say you would be good. I think you guys should both do the show. That's definitely the truth of it. You guys should both do it. But Jerry, I'm picking you on this one. Sorry, Matt. Damn. I don't, I can't see Jerry dancing in the club. Can't, can't see him do it. By the way, I took ballroom dancing at USC, my last ever course in college. Well, I didn't know this. Trying to get you to graduate. It's trying to get him to graduate. Yeah. It was a glue chips when By the way, it was taking pool management. It was a Tuesday night, my senior year.

And the teacher was the choreographer of dirty dancing. I mean, that's how long ago this was, it was, 2005. I learned the box step, a bunch of, a couple dances, but I'm no good. Hey, that's a start, dude. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you as a trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Pre-sale tickets for future events

subject to availability and vary by race. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at mx.ca.ca slash Yanex. How do you like doing the pod for the show? Dude, it's been so fun doing the podcast. I feel like for me it's a really cool way to still be a part of the show without obviously putting the pressure of dancing

every single week. One of my favorite things to do is what we're doing right now, to have the stimulating conversation, talk about something that you actually are passionate about. And I'm shocked how much I absolutely love the show still, dude. Like, I'm hooked now. It shows.

I look forward to talking about it because I like putting myself in situations like that. And I know everyone else is having that same feeling. And it's stimulating conversation. There's so much to talk about. The cast this year has been unbelievable. And yeah, man, I think more and more people are starting to get behind the show and enjoy it. Even guys are being like, wait, this is actually kind of sick. Like, we had a guy come on the pod, which he was hysterical.

We did it for TikTok night. He went viral because he had it playing like straight white guy thoughts. I saw that. It was literally like two guys chopping it up and talking about ball when we were sitting together and talking about the dances. And it was hysterical and people loved it because it's like it should be talked about more. I just love the show and it's been really, really fun to kind of dive into it. And one of my favorite parts, too, that we get to do on the show is we get to like talk about the people that a lot of the fans don't know about.

like we get to talk about the stage managers we're going to talk to the costume and hair department talk to executive producers like dina real heroes that make a show like that run and to give them the right the light like this week we're talking to mandy more who has choreographed so many things for the show and some people might not know who she is but she literally is the person that choreographed the eras for taylor swift like she's a legend in the dance community yeah so to talk to those people to have those conversations to just shed light on how amazing that show is is super exciting yeah there's so there's so like the talent you know because we're all in this entertainment business the talent obviously is in front of the camera but there are so many people there's so many

production people especially a show like yours where there is there's there's the wardrobe there's just so much going on which i think is really cool do you have i think week four just finished this week do you have a a favorite a dark horse you know someone that you kind of have your eye on to keep an eye on for the rest of the season dude i swear i'm not even lying like I can name so many people because there's so much competition this year. I think the current favorite, if you just look at the scores and what she's been doing from week to week because also her partner is just like he's a genius with this choreography. But Whitney Levitt, who is from the Secret House of Mormon Wives, she is, her dances every week

have just been getting better and better. And that's really hard because she started at the top of the leaderboard. It's hard not to say she's the favorite because she's been on the top every single week. and she was by herself this week after week four. Dark horses, though, right now, like Alex Earl is just getting better and better, and she was already really good on week one, and she had her best week yet.

Dylan Efron's a boy of mine that I love, and I think he's just getting better, and he's one of those guys that had no dance experience. So if he can catch up with the people that have dance experience, he's going to be super dangerous. But, man, we could go down the list all day. There's a lot of good castmates this year. See, I hit you with a question earlier.

that was, it was not a trick question, but there was meaning behind it when I said if they asked you to defend the title, would you? And you jumped right all over it. Because I feel like you in the booth now doing the pod, the official pod, it's kind of like Romo, A,

I'm comparing you to other athletes. You have the love. You want to still be doing it. So I feel like you're so equipped to talk about it because you really do genuinely love the show and everything that goes into it. So it's a cool game.

man when you when i saw that's what i thought of when i saw you were doing that i'm like oh that's like getting a great platformer player to do monday night football or something because that show is so yeah man and i'm a sponge right now i mean i get to still connect and talk to the pros every week i'm still trying to understand all these different styles and things to look for but i think what's even more exciting is someone like a you know like a romo or brady that gets in the booth is they get this ability to give so much expertise but i think my side of it that's so fun is i'm still so curious. Like, I'm sitting in those conversations and I'm asking questions because I want to learn more. Again, our interview this week, that will be coming out on Thursday. Like, we talked to a

former pro and I just got to kind of have her explain to me again, like I was 10 years old what they're actually looking for. What's this difference of why this move is something the judges are looking for and why this person wasn't as sharp as this person was. And I'm like, that stuff is just so interesting to me. And yeah, I'm just trying to be a sponge and I'm excited to keep having more people learn about it. Can you deep dive for me on the pod if you think athletes have an unfair advantage on the show? I think for me, I noticed with tennis, footwork is a huge part of the show. Especially for males, what I've noticed is that a big part of ballroom is being able to travel. You have to, and those framed dances, be able to work along the dance floor. And I was just like,

dude, this is the same as me trying to stay low for a forehand and get to that ball really quickly. so it was really natural for me to travel the issue for athletes that i didn't run into as much and i don't know why is they can be a little rigid they can be a little tight yeah because you're so used to they get they get choreography so quick because they understand this idea of what they need to do but listening to music and loosening up and getting a little bit more comfortable is hard unless you know we have the gymnasts that come in like jordan uh for as a female she's on this season jordan childs and you can tell i mean she does floor routine her ability to move and commit and show a performance is unbelievable and i think

the guys sometimes struggle more at that like daniel will be the first to admit the dude was in it fully and loved it but he's like bro it is half his body's metal he's like i can't not be stiff in some of these situations and i was like yeah i mean that's that's a disadvantage but if you ask anyone like how much his mindset was there and how how quickly he learned choreography how how sharpest footwork was like that definitely is an advantage for an athlete well we're going to let you go before we do i got to say uh i've been on this this island for a while as a new york sports fan of all the fan bases i think that are arguably the most brutal it's philly fans like to the point where it was nick six or two years ago i almost quit twitter my feelings don't get hurt by what anyone

says on Twitter, Philly fans hurt my feelings. How does such a nice guy like you end up coming out of Philly fan? You don't feel like a Philly fan, but I'm sure you could hurt my feelings if you wanted to. I could find a way. But I, you know, the thing is, is they go for the low blows. They come after you personally. Just assholes. At the end of the day, I got so many boys that I am close with that are Philly fans. I am to, I will say I moved to Philly in second grade and I was, that was, maybe that's what it is. I wasn't born. It was maybe some in the water that didn't happen right away. I try to be one of the more

understanding Philly fans, but dude, it's, I, you're the only one. The thing is, is I will always defend them too because there is something about that culture that is so good for sports. You need to have that, that fan base that you hate. You need to have that energy when you walk into a stadium. Like, I love going to a game at the link

or going to Citizens Bank Park and feeling like you're going to just demolish the other team. that is something that is so special, which I will always defend the Philly sports fans. But then sometimes when they go a little too far, I'm like, guys, we got, we got cleaning stuff. Like, what are we doing here? You're going to make Ferrara cry. Jerry's a nice guy. Why are you making them cry? We don't do that. But yeah, man, I always make that joke. I told that to Matt earlier. Like, I do try to be one of those

those kind Philly fans to try to change a little bit, I guess, the stigma, but it's not going to take one of me. There's too many of them out there that are just, they're brutal. Well, we appreciate you, man. Good luck with the Dancing with the Stars podcast. I mean, crushing it, buddy. Romo Aikman in the booth. You're in that category now.

Yeah, keep it up. I'm going to come see you at a show. I can't wait, man. Jerry, if you want to come out to you, just let me know. We'll get you out there. But, boys, I appreciate your time. This is fun chatting with you. Yeah.

Absolutely, Joey. Take care, man. All right, Annie Agar, joining us as she does every week, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. We're going to do some twisted tea. trivia. Yes. And I think Matt and I are tied

like within weeks that we've won. Yes. But Matt's got the overall. The overall. The overall. Yeah. I was thinking Matt, maybe we should do something

with a wear. I want to put a jersey. I know how much you hate wearing jerseys. If I win this, I really want to put a jersey on you of my choice. As I see all of Annie's jerseys back there. Give him a scataboo jersey. No, that's too good.

I would love scataboo. No, this one's going to be painful. I got to make it painful. Well, So we just got, you're up three to two in games, Matt. So you're up three to two, Matt. So you're up three, two. All right.

Really quick, before I got started, I was thinking this this weekend for like my NFL question for you guys. Strictly box office, which means entertainment value only. As of right now, what's the most box office Super Bowl matchup we could come up with? Not who should do it and whose time has come. What's the most of the NFL is like, oh, we could market the shit out of this game? game. I'm going to say. AFC Championship Jacksonville versus the Indianapolis Coles. Danny Dimes. Go ahead. Danny Dimes. I don't, I would like Bill's Lions off. I would tune in.

That game could be on at 2 a.m. I would be locked in. Like that. I have 50% of that. Yeah. Okay. It's got to be, it's got to be Detroit. Maybe that's a little homer in me because I know like so many Detroit fans from back home would just be, that would be the best thing that would ever happen to them. Yeah, I guess that'd be my pick. What would you get? I'm going Bill's Bucks. Bill's Bucs. I love me. Baker-Macon.

In the Super Bowl, can you imagine? I go the same. Somebody's dying. Like, he'd be all up in somebody's face, for sure. Do you see that video of him talking to the fans right before walking out of the tonic? That's awesome. Yeah. Cleveland's got to be sick.

Could you imagine him going on Colin Coward, the herd? Oh. And just, yeah, now you. see me. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh, it would be electric. Detroit would be sick, too, though. Yeah. Detroit, yeah, that's a, that's a hard one to ignore because their offense is so fun. All right, I was just thinking that this weekend. Like,

that's probably not going to be the matchup. Yeah. But what's the most box office? So, good answers. What do you got for us with some twisted tea trivia this weekend? Gentlemen, this is going to be a little different this week. We're going to do several questions like we did before. But then we're going to show you guys a picture of a current player, no identifying marks, no logos, no teams, no nothing, no fields in the background even. And you have to tell me who the player is. It's harder than you think because they're not in a helmet. No, it sounds pretty hard. It sounds really hard. There's two, there's

two pictures. One, I got right away. The other took me a minute. So, and these are guys like we see all the time. So it'll be really interesting. But if you're listening on audio, hop on YouTube to watch the picture one. But we'll start with some audio ones first. All right, Matt, with the slight lead. Let's begin. Matt's got that slight lead. Ready? Question number one. Who is the current league leader in passing yards? Daniel Jones. Nope. Good guess, though. Current league leader in passing? Think of, yeah. Oh, my God, I just saw this. Think of like high production from the wider. Oh, Matthew Stafford.

Yeah. Yeah. Matt's hookah. Okay. I just hit Danny Dimes. I was a trick. I thought it was a trick question. That's why I heard Danny Exactly. Okay, who is the current league leader in Sacks? In Sacks? This kind of surprised me a little. I mean, not really, but it kind of. Is it, it's not, uh... What conference? You should only, by the way, get two guesses and then you're done. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's a good rule, Matt.

Good rule. Can we get a conference? Can we get a, get a, well, conference. I give me the division. Joey Bosa. Nope. There's one guess. Can we get to division? Division. I'll give you division. AFC West, right?

Yes. Oh, Max Crosby. Nope. No, that was a great guess. I'm out. I'm out. Go ahead, Matt. Floor is yours.

AFC West. Okay. Their defense was like highly touted this offseason. Pretty sure you had a couple, couple sacks this week. Who else was in the AFC West? Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders. Oh, it's a Broncos player. Yep.

I don't even know Yeah, I didn't I don't think I did till like two weeks ago Damn it Benito Benito Yeah Yeah

He just got paid too last year Yeah So no blood there Damn it Yep Third question And then we'll get to the pictures Who has thrown

For the most touchdowns so far This year Baker Nope That's one That's one That's one I know Jerry

Join love Probably had their best game this past week Oh shoot Maybe maybe yeah I would say the best I had the best game this past week Everybody's saying they're back at least

The most touchdowns No Mah home Mm-mm I'm out of guesses Because I snuck one in Oh yeah you did No we're both out

So let's keep playing So give us another guess Yeah yeah you're back to zero Let me know if you want to hit Yeah Or a hint yeah NFC Yeah

I don't know if that helps at all That knows it down to 16 We're the majority of good quarterbacks I'm gonna go with We just mentioned them Darnold? Nope No

No We mentioned them like five minutes ago Jerg off Yep Oh Not weird I mean I'm gonna take a terrible point Terrible point

All right but now we're here This is what we're showing One, okay. Pictures, which Matt might actually know some of these people personally. Picture number one. Who is this player? This Ashton Gentie. Yes, sir.

That, see, I don't know if it's like, because we saw him leading in the draft so much. That's still tough. I would have, I think I would have got it, but I would have needed like a minute. Plus, it looks different with his hair kind of pulled back. But also, he's in all black, Raiders, black socks. You kind of have to put, you know, two and two. All right. All right.

Picture number two. This one was a little bit tougher. the smile kind of does That's Jameson William That's Wilson William James William I had it too I got it I got it

That wasn't even close He looks different there to me though You said You said Wilson You get it right Willie I said William I stuttered All right fine

I'll stand down on that one But those are fun aren't they When they Those are I like they were doing current players Because I think if you really threw it back It would start to get

So by the way I won Yes you Matt won that week. You went to work off with those two. Congrats. I like, are we going to do that every week? Maybe Matt's like a very visual person.

Maybe, is that like your thing? I mean, it is. I, you know, when I would play in football. He probably interviewed Gentie for Big Noon. What are we talking about? I definitely did not. I definitely did not. Jerry's better.

But I am a visual learner, you know, drawing plays and all that, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a good point. Are we going to do that every week? I don't. With the photos?

I feel like we should. I don't know unless Jerry keeps losing them. That's just an unfair hand. Shoutouts, twist and T. Matt, let's work on our jersey bat or what we're going to do. Annie, if you have any ideas, let us know. Maybe we'll use some of your jerseys off your rack back there. And good hat, by the way.

Thank you. I know. I like, do you have a, no, you have a throwback sad? I thought it said Twisted Tea for a second, Matt. We'll see you next week, Annie. Perfect. See you, gentlemen. Let's do it.

All right, thank you again, the twisted tea. Thank you, Annie Agar. Maddie, we're done. We've got to say thank you to Joey Grazadee, Dancing with the Stars podcast, season 34. He's cover. and we'll be back next week with another good one.