Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Johnny Manziel Talks Heisman, NIL + Juan Soto's MEGADEAL w/ Mets & it's Almost Christmas!

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

“Johnny Football” (also known as Johnny Manziel) joins the show! The former Heisman Trophy winner gives us his top 3 Texas High School Football players of all time and explains how NIL laws may have altered his career had they existed when he was in college. He also talks about his legendary nickname, what his preferred golf foursome would look like & which NFL coach once tore into him after mistakenly running the wrong play.  Plus, Matt and Jerry dive into Juan Soto’s megadeal, controversy in Eagle-land and this year’s Heisman snubs.   Finally, as gift-buying season hits its peak, the guys look back on the greatest childhood Christmas presents they ever received in today’s edition of the Throwback 3!    New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)     A big thank you to our sponsors:   Throwbacks is presented by Cash App  That's Money. That's Cash App.  https://cash.app/bank  Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). To earn the highest interest rate on your Cash App savings balance, you need to be 18 or older, have a Cash App Card, and direct deposit at least $300 monthly into Cash App. Sponsored Accounts are not eligible to earn interest. Other exceptions may also apply. Cash App will pass through a portion of the interest on your savings balance held in an account for the benefit of Cash App customers at Wells Fargo Bank, N.A., Member FDIC. Savings yield rate is subject to change. Stated rate is current at the time of recording.      Wendy’s   Try Wendy's New Saucy Nuggs Today   https://wendys.com/nuggs    NHTSA  NHTSA Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over. Paid for by NHTSA.  https://bit.ly/46ZF9nM  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There is more backyard football that goes on a little bit than people realize. I know when I got in for my first time in an NFL game, we were playing in Buffalo. We get under and I called the receivers routes one way, but I rolled the wrong way pretty much. So I rolled to nobody. So as I think to the right and I just Kyle Shanahan

just mother me to the show everybody. Another episode of throwbacks presented by Cash App. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's cash app. That's all the wonderful things I'm going to be doing this Christmas, which I've been doing, which is just money going out, not much coming in. It's going good. It's going good. I mean, you know, full commit to Elf on the Shelf. We're winding down there. Kids are happy.

I'm just ready now. I'm ready. Like, let's go. Let's play the game. By the way, you're winning the award for Elf on the Shelf, there's no doubt about that. I saw a lane. I feel like I've been sending you just, every time I see Elf on the Shelf,

I just send it to you. Great idea. It's kind of my thing now, I've been walking in the streets, people shouting at me, love the Elf on the Shelf stuff. So look, Matt, when I see a lane, I take it. I saw a lane, no one was killing it in that lane. I took it. By the way, absolutely.

Josie stepped up her game. Josie stepped up her game. I still think it's funny that you have been tasked with Elf on the Shelf in your house. I just, I don't know why that makes you laugh. It's a Jedi mind trick. It was Bree starting it early and then just saying, I gotta go to bed and disappearing on me. I'm uh, I'm gearing up for

a 130 person Christmas party this weekend at my house. How does that sound? Does that sound? Fantastic. Yeah, listen, you're talking to a guy who intentionally had his wedding in the most least desirable place to discourage people from coming That's exactly what I did. Where'd you get in Ohio? Oh God the Hall of Fame. Hey come to the wedding. You could stop at the Hall of Fame What time of the year did you get married? It was summer, but still I was trying so I'm like the Pete My friends in LA won't come and they all came Wait, you got married in Canton, Ohio married in Canton. I'm a hall. I'm in the hall

How far is Canton from Cleveland? It's like 30 minutes 35. Okay. Yeah, so you're so bad for Breeze family. I saw an opportunity and I took it We have a really good show for you today Yeah, we do we are gonna give you our interview We sat down not long ago with former Heisman Trophy winner So there's been two now, Matt and now Johnny, Johnny Manziel on the show. He might be the most, he was so much fun to watch,

but I mean, name a more polarizing Heisman Trophy winner or football player than Johnny Manziel. And again, yeah, he talks about the path and journey and all that, and obviously that's, he has such a unique story, Yeah, he talks about the path and journey and all that. And obviously that's that's it. He has such a such a unique story. But is there more of a polar polarizing athlete? No. As we go into this weekend and we'll talk more about it in a bit,

what that weekend is like. And we talk about in the interview, too. You know, you realize Johnny Manziel was a comet, you know, just out of nowhere, lit up the sky, shot past us quickly, but man, were we all watching. Dude, he was incredible. I remember watching the Bama game and I was like, who is this kid?

Who is this guy? The money sign, dude, he was special, man. He was special and yeah, the conversation is great. Because as we've talked about so much on this on this show, just quarterbacks and situations and all that. And again, he's he you know, he's he talks about all of the stuff, his regrets, the stuff he you know, that he didn't do. But you know, talking about different offensive systems with them and what works and all that. It's like, I just, I just think maybe him in another place or something. Maybe it would have been different. And again, I think about that with myself all the time as well, too. But Johnny's the best man. He's a great dude. He's, he's, he's doing well and his pod's awesome. His podcast is awesome as well.

I was on his pod earlier. He, it's great. He's,'s a great dude, man I'm excited for people and that's when I realized too That you two will now and I don't know if you've had this with other Heisman winners, but wherever you guys go you guys have this bond You know you guys won this prestigious award one of not many And I think I saw firsthand the two of you could speak a language that Only a handful of people could speak a language that only a handful of people could speak so that's so cool so that was the third time I've ever met Johnny when he came on our pod if you think okay the first time I ever met him

because our because our paths didn't cross in the league because I was out when he came in the first time I met him was the year Caleb won the Heisman three what three years ago three years ago, whatever it was. Three years ago, yeah. And I went back, because obviously, SC and Johnny was there. And in that time, all the Heismans get on a bus and you go to these events and all that,

and I sat right behind him, or right in front of him, one or the other. And that was the first real time I met him. Again, but to your point, it's like, what's up, bro? It doesn't, it's such a bond that you don't even need to know each other to know each other. And we were talking and that was it.

And that was the first time and I'm like, you know, it was like, hey, big fan, love watching you play. And then you just shoot the shit. And then obviously I did his podcast earlier this year and then he came on ours, but great guy, man. Great guy. Great deal. Well, we'll roll that in a minute.

And again, that was in our LA studio when we were in LA week and then also Throwback three we were debating a few we'll do it later in the show We were gonna maybe do Christmas movies, but then it hit me like everyone we've done the crit. We we know essentially What's really only like three or six right all-time Christmas? And I believe I've been watching them. Give me a quick 20 second Christmas movie list. Well, Christmas Vacations, number one, that's not even close. I do go pretty hard for Home Alone, although we try to watch it with our five-year-old.

The first 20 minutes, you cannot show to a five-year-old. They're so mean to Kevin. And then Kevin is so mean. Our boys watched this the other day. Kevin tells his mom, I hope I never see you again for the rest of my life. I hate all of you. For a five year old to hear another kid tell his mother, like, I hate all of you.

I can't wait to never see you again. My five year old looked at me like, that's not cool, right? Like, no, buddy, that's not cool at all. So we were originally gonna do movies. I looked up Christmas Vacation, because I haven't seen it in so long, but it's so good. And the only thing that sticks out in my mind is the pool scene, where Chevy Chases

visualized the girl in the ring. That was like my first initiation to be like, why am I feeling this way? This is kind of interesting. That was your first first like initiation to be like, like, why am I feeling this way? That was your first? Wow. I don't know. Okay. Dude, it was like, I was like, is the season.

Yeah. Like think about it. That movie came out one the eighties, like, oh yeah, you were. Yeah. So I was, I mean, I was, when I was allowed to watch it, I was probably 10, 11. I don't even know. But I actually re I, I YouTube it and I rewatched it and I was dying laughing because then a little girl comes in and like Santa Claus So I home alone by the way my kids loved it It was a little bit harder, but they loved it when they started doing all the fun

Yeah, once you get to the third act and all that stuff's happen and then anyways we don't yeah I think I think everyone has kind of the same top last thing I'm gonna piss people off right here I was always a big proponent of diehard as a Christmas movie, but it occurred to me the other day, you know what I never watch over Christmas break? Fucking Die Hard. So maybe it's not a Christmas movie. I never reached to be like, hey, all right. Well, there's the big debate is always as Die Hard a Christmas movie. But why is it? Why is it because it came out during? Well, the movie when bruce willis is flying. It's it's christmas. It's a christmas party in the office in nakatomi plaza Right now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho one of the greatest debates Uh in the history of our country is is whether diehard diehard gets a lot of love

I will say the first time ever I used to ride hard for die now I'm like, I don't ever watch diehard on christ, ever. I haven't seen Die Hard in 30 years. Well, watch it over the break. You know who else Christmas came for? You know who else Christmas came for? One, Soto is having a very strong holiday season. I already told my kids that they're playing baseball. Now, seeing all this, Matt, would you, if you could go, if you could be the ghost of Christmas past and go back and whisper to whatever eight, nine, 10 year old Matt say, buddy, I was the football down. I was pitching in the bigs, dude. I was pitching in the bigs until I tore

my shoulder up. It was my first. It was my first. Were you on the path? Oh yeah. I was a dude. I was six, four, 220 pounds and just throwing gas before. What year is like high school or junior? You want to hear a great story real quick? So I'm pitching. I was baseball number one, football was three, basketball was two. So I'm very lucky. You know, as we've talked to Lush, I consider myself a good athlete.

You're a great athlete. Baseball was my number one. I was a big pitcher. I threw hard. I was clocked athlete. Baseball was my number one. I was a big pitcher. I threw hard. I was clocked at like 86 going into high school summer. Yeah, because I'm telling you. And then I that summer I was pitching on varsity at modern day high school. And my one of my last games I'm going up against La Quinta.

At this time they were the number one team in the country going in. They had Gerald Laird and they had Bobby Crosby. Bobby Crosby was the shortstop for the A's, rookie of the year. Gerald Laird was a catcher, caught for like the tie, caught for a long time in the bigs. I was pitching without our best catcher. So I had like the backup catcher, like the, you know, the best catcher always that made me feel good, whatever. I got shelved for eight runs in the first inning, dude. Yeah. I was like, welcome to the, welcome to high school. I was 14.

Not in the by that I was good, but they, but they just rock. That whole lineup was like, they, yeah, they, they rock me. So that was one of the last times that I've ever pitched. And then I hurt my shoulder that summer, just baseball related. How'd you hurt the shoulder base base? I just tore my labrum and my rotator cuff. All that being said, I ended up playing football is fine. Baseball lives is in my DNA. It was not in my older son's DNA. But I swear to God, it's in my it's gonna be in your younger kids. I got half Cubans dude, I'm raising now. So there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of a lot of

baseball in that DNA. I don't they worth $770 million? I don't know. I don't know. But if I can invest in your kids' baseball careers, like a stock, I would go big in. Just be like, little liner boys, get in early. They're going to the dance. They're half Cuban. They got something.

So what was your- You might be raising some little Jose Altube's. I love that they're- My kid's ceiling is Jose Altubeve and yours is probably Juan Soto. Jose Altuve is a dog. He is a dog. My son needs to work on his swing if he wants to be Juan Soto. Yeah, that's pretty wild though.

What did you think when you first of all the numbers with Juan Soto, we don't have to recap it. We all know what they are and I get lost in it. Let's just call it a shit ton of money. I had a feeling in the back of my mind that it was going this way and the Mets were going to be hurt. And I think something that allows this to happen was the Mets great run. They went on that great run. They even took the Dodgers further than the Yankees did, right? They went six games with the Dodgers, I believe. So that opens up the, hey, we're closer than maybe we all even thought we were.

And let's go all in on this guy. Some of the stories that are coming out about, oh, Yankee security wouldn't let Soto's father and driver and they wouldn't give him a sweet. All that. I don't know. That's fun to hear, like as backstory. Bottom line, I think Juan Soto Got wanted the more money and I think he thinks the Mets have a better chance of winning for a longer period of time What are your thoughts? Do you think that do you really think that I? Know man. Well, I was reading some art

I was reading just some behind-the-scenes stuff and and apparently some of the some managers some behind the scenes stuff and apparently some managers who sat with Soto basically said this kid is super dialed in. Like he's very smart. So to your point, I think he understands the landscape. Obviously these guys wanna get paid, but like what the Yankees offered him five million less a year or something like that. It was some crazy, he's still worth $700 million, whatever.

But yeah, I think like, look, I think when you're, when you're, when you're that young, like you want to go win, you want to go, I don't know, but I just feel like the Yankees, like is the Yankees run over? Like if he reached, I mean, that team is still absolutely loaded. Now, obviously you went and you got Max Fried. Now you probably wouldn't have got Max Fried if you would have retained Juan Soto, right? I mean, so Max Fried. Now you probably wouldn't have got Max Fried if you would have retained Juan Soto, right? I mean, so I don't know, man, but the Mets, I mean, Alonso, you got what? Lindor. I mean, that's the real thing. It's the Lindor Soto. I don't know who's Batman, who's Robin, whatever they can alternate. But, and also you got to think once the nationally gets the DH, if that

doesn't happen, a deal like this probably doesn't happen, because you gotta think that as much as we love Juan Soto offensively, defensively, he's on the fast track to being a DH, you would think. This made me, so this made me think of, well, I read this quote from the Padres. One of the guys, I don't know if you saw this quote, Mike Schilt, he's on the Padres staff.

He coached Juan Soto there. He was talking about the amount of money, right? He goes, to her credit, Judge Judy was making $47 million a year. Judge Judy. And I think, I think, so it was some quote basically saying like, how much money he's making a year

and who else in this country, I actually looked it up like, who makes 50 plus million dollars a year? There's 205 people in this country that make over 50 million a year, that's it. He's one of them, think about that. What, to me, I just, I can't, I don't know, man, just like all of this money being thrown around

it's ridiculous it made me think of like which position deserves to make the most money and it's definitely in all of sports I came up with two it has to be quarterback obviously right one is quarterback by far and away what's your number two because that's what I'm curious about I think everybody would say quarterback what would you put number two because I I's what I'm curious about. I think everybody would say quarterback. What would you put number two? Because I have a pitch for my number two and I went for what is most important every day impacts a game every day. I put a hockey goalie. Why do you laugh?

Think about it. I laugh. You're right. What's a more important position in hockey? Not goalie. Right. You have a good point. That's a good point. I used to be maybe point guard in the NBA, which is not anymore. Well, that's why I'm going to cheat with mine because it's not necessary. It's it's not a position.

But I just think that when you know you have your NBA super max player that justifies it, whether it was LeBron and his prime, Curry and his prime, because not only are you getting a guy who will keep you competitive for all those years, it's just box office. If you think about the business side of things, which is what I thought was so freaking smart of Cohen and the Mets to drop their season tickets right around this time. Ohtani was the greatest. He's worth every penny he's getting. But yeah, I think the smart thing too, if you just look at it, oh, that's so much money.

What if you... Because the other things I want to quickly touch on is I talked to a lot of Met fans and I had this conversation while Andrew Claudio does a lot of stuff with Nick's film school is great He produces a lot of podcasts great, dude. I he's a lifelong Mets fan. I said, okay What what for the Met fans will ever make this contract something he could live up to and he said look I think he's younger than me. I think he's in his 30s. I'm not quite sure. He said all I could say is to this point Mike the Mets have two World Series appearances,

one World Series win when he was probably a baby. If you could better just what I've witnessed for the last 30 years, then it's a win. Meaning, if you win this World Series and maybe make one or two more, contract is great. So that's all they care about. That's all it took for him. Right. I'm trying to think, there's no real way, I guess to live up to that contract,

it's gotta be multiple World Series, but I don't know if the Mets fans are thinking that way. I think they're just like, get us there. Get us there, I don't care. I mean, do the Mets fans really care how much money was spent? They just got a top five player in the league. Like, he's a great player.

Yeah, it's like, they just, they, I think they just wanna win or have a shot. Like this's a great player. Yeah, it's like, they just, they, I think they just want to, they just want to win or have a shot. Like this year, obviously I think they overachieved, but you know, now they get a superstar in Juan Soto who, he is box office, man. He is, he is, he's for sure.

He's got a little, he's got that personality. He's got that juice. He's, he's got a little bit of swag and he, dude, he's like, you pay, you pay a ticket to go see him play So there's a lot of Yankee fans this week who are going to be talking themselves into that's a bad contract And yes, he's a great hitter defenses poor I was even doing it but make no mistake about it go back to that Guardian series that home run he hit That's what you're paying top dollar for in the biggest moment Back to that Guardian series, that home run he hit.

That's what you're paying top dollar for in the biggest moment. Because not only was it the home run in that moment, but it was the way he slammed the bat down. He looked at his bench. The bench was Galvani. He galvanized that whole Yankees team. So Yankee fans like myself, we could talk ourselves into what a bad contract that is or wait, maybe it will be a bad contract. They don't care. And second thing, Matt, if we were gonna do a draft of sports owners, who would the best sports owner? Steve Cohen might have just jumped to the

top. I mean, Ballmer's pretty great. Ballmer will spend whatever and he's got the new building. You could have said Bob Kraft at one point, one point years ago you could have said Jerry Jones. That's no one point years ago, you could have said Jerry Jones, that's no longer the case, but a bomber, bomber by far is the he, because he's like, he's just, he's all in you think, you know, like, right, but I think Cohen is now too, they kind of laid patiently waiting to strike and they this was their this was their big thing. So that's a little it's the other part of this that I think is fantastic.

And again, Yankee fans can't maybe get themselves there. We talk a lot on this show, especially over the last few weeks, about pro sports. Rivalries are dying on the vine and college might be the only thing we have left, particularly that Ohio State, Michigan rivalry. This breeds new life into that. It was always a little bit State Michigan rivalry. This breathes new life into that. It was always a little bit of a rivalry. Yankee fans never viewed it. Like you hear Jeter in the documentary says,

I mean, it's the Mets. You no longer can say it's the Mets. It's that and also like even Dodgers, Padres is now becoming an incredible like post-season, which by the way, it used to be Dodgers, Giants. Giants have fallen off. Padres now, like Dodgers, like that is a real rivalry. Like, like that's and that's like a competitive respect, like, shit, they're like, that's a really good team that can knock us off rivalry. Yeah, it's, it's.

Could you imagine at in some series in July when we're all watching baseball, but we're all waiting for the if it's Yankees Mets out in city field or the Bronx and Max Fried throws at Juan Soto or something right a little bow tie like Roger Clemens used to say and maybe the benches start chirping at each. I think that's so good. I mean, these pictures, I was gonna say, do these pictures have that though? Now? I don't know. It's a little it. I was gonna say, do these pictures have that though now? I don't know, it's a little different. It's a different era. That's my point.

Baseball, lean into this. Go heel, lean it, start fights, lean into it. Bomb Gardner had that shit. Yeah. I hated the Giants, but I love that dude. And I'm sorry, it would have been way worse if Juan Soto went to the Red Sox. It's such an obvious thing.

I never had nearly as much Mets hatred as I do for the Red Sox. It's such an obvious thing. I never had nearly as much Mets hatred as I do for the Red Sox. And also, they're in your division, so there's a chance that Juan Soto could knock you out of the playoffs before you even get there if he's with the Red Sox. And luckily, I don't even think they were really contenders, so.

It's fun. Well, I think the moral of the story is we raise our kids to be baseball players, nothing else. Well, you for sure. A golf club or a baseball bat. Yeah, you definitely. Me, not so, we'll see how it goes. So now it's time for our Wendy's. Let me, you know, I was thirsty after that rant.

Our Wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week. Brought to you by Wendy's, thank you very much. Matt, I have an interesting one for us this week, okay? Okay. It is a saucy moment because you just don't see it all the time. It's Brandon Graham, okay? Do you know what Brandon Graham did this week? Honestly, when I first heard what he did, when I first heard it, I was like, this can't be real.

He spilled a little tea. Is this a real quote? He spilled a little sauce. He basically commented on AJ Brown and Jalen hurts he said the person that's complaining needs to be accountable Graham said I don't know the whole story, but I know that her I think he was using players numbers hurts is trying and Brown could be a little better with how he responds to things They were friends before this but things have changed and I understand that because life happens in the business side

What is Brandon Graham doing? I love it because we get to talk about it. But Matt, isn't that like training 101? You don't say something like that out loud. Media training 101, do not throw your teammates under the bus, especially your two star players, dude. Like when I heard this, I was like, and Brandon Graham's a great dude.

Like this isn't like, that's's why he's very buttoned up. He's respected. This isn't something that he would normally say or ever. And I think he actually walked it back. He kind of backtracked in a quote later, like, oh, no, obviously because he knew what he did. The problem, it's just like, this is just one, there's already enough pressure,

Eagles having a great year, but there's already enough pressure on the Eagles to win in the expectation, right? They're having a tremendous year. They're not throwing the football well. Jalen Hurts isn't having a great year with that. They have Saquon who's kind of taken, like there's a lot of good happening, right?

They're not throwing the football well, but this is what happens when you have a diva esque receiver who wants the ball. That's just is who wants the ball, who's a little upset that they're not getting the ball. You got a quarterback who's been, who's very talented but been up and down really when the passing game ever since he entered the NFL. And now you're just, you're putting more,

you're just stoking the fire. And what this does it just brings like like I've been in locker rooms where you got a problem with someone right you just handle it in the locker room anything have you been on a set you handle it you're or you're professional you go about doing your job when you start to say this out in the public and people like us talk and all that it's like this is all they're gonna answer now there's gonna be so many damn distractions around this football team between their star

player, their quarterback and their star wide receiver with what, three or four weeks left before the playoffs. And now it's like, we've got to force feed. I'm just telling you like there's a long laundry list of things that can go wrong now that this, that the laundry is aired. Any chance that he's parent trapping them and this was intentional to sort of get them talking? Like because of it's a vet move. You can only do this if you're a vet. And he is a vet. He's a great vet. He's an awesome eagle. I think the fact that it is him is not sure

he makes it saucy. I don't know. Well, I'm making it saucy because he actually said the thing when we get only trained answers that don't ever say much and nothing to go off of. He actually gave a quote in the moment that's happening in real time that we will now watch play out. So Brandon Graham, you are our saucy moment of the week brought to you by Wendy's. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it.

Ballsy. All right. Now it's time for something new that we're're gonna do, which I'm very excited about. It's our Defining Moments, brought to you by the National Highway Traffic Association, NHTSA. And this is gonna be something where, look, it's gonna be defining moments, sometimes from our careers, sometimes from life.

This is a big weekend coming up, as we know. So I ask you, Matt Leiner, what is your defining moment? Yeah, I think I think because of the Heisman coming up this weekend and just what that meant that that's probably a defining moment for me in my career. Sure. And when this was the first thing that was said to me, and I might have told you this in the past, the minute you win the Heisman Trophy, everyone there says your life is gonna change. No matter what you do or accomplish in sport life after this moment, you will always be known as Matt Liner Heisman Trophy winner everywhere you go. And when you're in the moment, you're

like, yeah, cool. Great. I was 22. Like you're a kid. You're just, you know, you're trying to soak it up. But like, it's a it's a really cool feeling. And I'm 41. So 19 years later, it is still the number one thing that people say when they meet me or introduce me to something or introduce me for something or that. And it just it just it's such a unique, exclusive, just like elite club of really special football players, some of the best to ever play the game at any level, some obviously the best to play at the collegiate level, great people. So that was a defining moment. And obviously, you know, we have,

you know, Johnny coming up who was incredible. And then the guys, you know, this weekend, the four Travis Hunter, Gentie, Cam Ward and Dylan Gabriel, just congratulations to those four for being finalists and really just a fun, unique year. Like if you watch college football this year, to have a two-way star most likely win, we haven't seen that. Heavily favored. Yeah. I mean, Charles Woodson was on a two way star.

He was a one way star that participated in special teams. And he would tell you that obviously. A top tier running back at a lower level conference that was absolutely a stud and going to be a top 10 to 15 draft pick and then two incredible quarterbacks. So it's always, it's a defining moment in all of these guys's career to be a finalist, but to win it, man, it just changes your life forever.

Well, I want to thank you to the National Highway Traffic Association. I don't know if my defining moment is going to be nearly as good next week. We'll do mine. I don't know if mine's going to be nearly as good as yours. Last thing before we go to Johnny Manziel. The other cool thing about winning the Heisman is, you get a vote. I'm not gonna ask you who you voted for, but you must put a lot of thought, cause you're covering the game, so.

Well, actually, I wanna say two things. One, yes, getting a vote. It's gotta be cool. I get a couple different votes for a couple different words, and they all are equally as important, because I take a lot of pride into really, least my opinion and putting my opinion and being like this is why I think he wins not just like oh he's got the best numbers best stats but the second thing I want to say is

as I was looking at every year there's always like a Heisman snub right and and this year two in particular, so I wanna give these two dudes some love, Shador Sanders, and again, probably overshadowed by his teammate Travis Hunter, and the full marketing push and promotion of Travis Hunter to win the Heisman Trophy, Shador kind of took a backseat.

I'm telling you right now, this dude is the real deal. And whether you like him or not, and you like the Flash or not, or you're tired of him or not and you like the flash or not or you're tired of him or not, whatever, whatever your reason is, this dude is going to be a really good pro. He might be on your giants. Not sure. I might be a Raider. He might be a Raider. I think it's going to be the Raiders, but he's tremendous. And I want to give Tyler Warren some love. And I was looking at this and you might not even know who Tyler Warren is. Okay. He's

the tight end. Okay. He's a tight end for Penn State. He had 88 catches this year for over a thousand yards. He had 23 carries for 200 yards and seven touchdowns. He was three for five passing with a touchdown. He blocks his ass off. He runs, he lined up at center and caught a touchdown pass against my Trojans. This dude is going to be a top 10 pick. He's he's I said this on the show this year. Outside of Travis Hunter, he's the most versatile player in all of college football. He is a freaking star. And I don't know if we've ever had a tight end be a Heisman finalist. He should have been a Heisman finalist. So shout out to Tyler Warren. I don't know if Jeremy Shockey ever got there. But you know what? John started,

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That's Betterhelp.com Get groceries delivered across the GTA from real Canadian superstore with PC Express Shop online for super prices and super savings try it today and get up to $75 in PC optimum points Visit superstore.ca to get started All right, Johnny, thank you for coming in Yeah, I was talking to some of my boys back home, telling them that we were going to talk to you. And they were like, you know what?

They wanted me to tell you, we watched the doc. And they reminded me of this, too. You completely, we all thought that you grew up like a rich kid from what was going on in college. It wasn't until your doc that when it came out, I'm like, Oh my God, he didn't grow up with like some Texas oil money stuff. Like you completely had us back in Brooklyn completely. Yeah, I think it was something that, you know, around that time just made the most

sense to kind of go with something like that. So it worked. It worked. It definitely did. You know, I think the doc did a good job of kind of showing how it really was, but no, it came from a pretty, pretty normal family for the most part. Yeah.

I love it. When you were doing that and you were like, shit, we're just going to go along with this. Was there ever a time where you were like, did you ever worry about the consequences or you were just like, fuck it, I'm gonna keep going? I mean, I always thought like, you know, thought about it a little bit, but at that point in time,

I mean, as you're a broke kid in college just trying to make some money, like there was probably no stopping it. And then, you know, getting around the compliance stuff and being able to talk to compliance guys and just pay for everything in cash type of thing. And just, you know, it was, it was, it wasn't all that, it wasn't all that difficult, I guess. Well, you're paying the compliance guys.

No, you just, they would ask you how you're doing all this, you know, how are you going to this game? Like do you have a receipt? You have nothing. No, we paid, paid in cash. That's baller. That is baller, man. And it worked.

When you did the doc, was that something that you were, I don't want to say like stressed out about you were like ready to kind of talk a little bit more about stuff and kind of do it in a way that you felt you wanted. Yeah. I think for me just to get a chance to just like kind of tell the story and just kind of like get that chapter and like that side of it over with a little bit, you know, I think there'd have been a lot that I've been holding onto that for a long time

and not really able to say much about it. And it's kind of got to a point where, you know, I felt like I had good partners at Untold, felt like it was a great platform with Netflix and like had an amazing director who was made it really easy for me just to sit down and go through everything. So it just, it just made a lot of sense.

It had been, you know, what? Pretty much 10 years since I'd been in college. So I felt like a lot of time had passed too. I thought it was great. We talked about it. I just, I thought it, you know, you had a chance to tell your story. What was like the feedback like after it was out? Yeah, that's the like biggest thing. I think for me, whenever people, you know, really saw what it was and kind of, you know, watch the doc. I think I got a lot more of a positive reaction for the next, it's been out a couple years, you know, since then, you know, I think just my interactions with people in the streets, going around being different places, I think it's been

a lot more positive interaction than it was in the past. I think it's also to like you, like as football players, especially like kind of like this fishbowl thing, and you were obviously living that life. And I understand what that life kind of feels like. It's like like kind of like this fish bowl thing and you were obviously living that life and I understand what that life kind of feels like. It's like kind of like just a relief of like this is who I was. This is what I was going and it really opened up another layer to you. I think that we all appreciate I appreciate that because I never

really knew you up until like obviously knew who you were the Heisman and all that and I know what it's like to just have those ups and downs in the NFL, but no one really knew what you were going through offisman and all that. And I know what it's like to just have those ups and downs in the NFL, but no one really knew what you were going through off the field and all this stuff that you were dealing with. And for you to be able to tell that story was awesome. Like it really was cool, man.

I appreciate it. Yeah, it was good. It was definitely a good feeling to get that off my chest as well and just be able to kind of, you know, close a chapter, be able to move on and be able to kind of have that story told and just out there. Yeah, I remember. Do you remember meeting me in Cleveland or no, it was a long time.

It's been a long time ago. Yeah. It was, I got invited. I got invited to come check out practice. Right. And I took a couple of my wife's Cleveland dudes who were super psyched. You weren't even the starter yet, but I remember like walking around, we met quickly and then like, there was this like beat reporter dudes

waiting to just like, we got to talk to Johnny. I'm like, the dude's not even starting yet. And I just remember, and I feel like with Cleveland, I've spent a lot of time there. I even talked to like Stefanski about it. It is a little bit of a fish bowl in Cleveland because like the Browns are such a thing over there. And I know you could say like,

well you play in a big city or a bigger city, it must be hard. I almost feel like Cleveland, like you're under almost like a, not like a microscope of football is such a, the Browns are such a thing there. I remember walking out of that practice still being like, dude, not even the starter yet. And you're just like waiting to talk to them. Yeah. I think obviously came in there with a lot of hype and a lot of, you know, after especially

right out of the college couple of college seasons that I had, but I mean, it definitely was a fishbowl city. There's every single person that's in that town as a Browns fan has been for generations and generations for the most part. So it's definitely, as you know, Cleveland's, it's all about the Browns there. It really is.

How were, I remember I had a Hollywood perception and even going into Arizona, I was like, liked by my teammates, but I couldn't, I couldn't just get rid of that like stigma. And that was always attached. And again, I take some responsibility to that. Was there, how were I, I don't like, how were you received by your teammates? I think I was received great by my teammates, you know, especially coming in, you know, I made a lot of great friends that I still have to this day that were on those teams, you know, A guy that really took me under his wing, Joe Hayden is a guy that always be super, super thankful for.

I think he really came in and kind of showed me what the league was like, showed me around the town, didn't hesitate to kind of introduce me to a lot of people and be able to really be a big support system for me there. And I think the teammates that I had there during the time, you know, I'll always, you know, remember and have a good relationship with. You had Shanahan and McDaniels, did you have all those guys?

They always show that clip where they did the fake play where you caught the ball. I think Shanahan's right there and McDaniels. McDaniels, yeah. So McDaniels was our receivers coach. He was like 18 years old. And Shanahan was our OC. Was McDaniels as cool, I guess the word is,

I guess he is now, or was he like, were you like, who is this kid? No, he's kind of exactly the same way that he is now, but he was our run game coordinator. So he was like so dialed in to the, our receivers coach was weird. He's our receivers coach, but he's our run game, like pretty much coordinator for the week.

Yeah, he was like, dude, I drew up a play for, I drew. How does that work? Dude, I drew up a play for, uh, I drew up- This is such bullshit. I drew up a play for him. Yeah. I drew up literally like 62 smack Z drive, like the drive concept. And I try to, I try to say, I went to, what'd I say? F mode, a bunch, right? 62 smack Z drive and put X on a comeback. Pretty basic. This dude could not draw more. bro. I started explaining to him. My experience comes from Madden. So we don't, and I let coach suggestion.

He put emotion in there on you. I did, but I did. Mo too bunch right. And he was like, what the hell does that mean? I want, I want to ask you about NIL because I get asked this all the time and not necessarily like how much money you would have made because you were, you were making money, but you, we would have made because you were making money,

but we would have made a lot more money. Would you have stayed longer in college, do you think? Like if you put yourself back and you're like, shit, I can make a couple million, would you have stayed an extra year? Yeah, I think so. Just because, I mean, you know, you get into your rookie contract

if you're not taking it high enough. I mean, you know, I could have stayed two more years in college and probably made what I made throughout the four years of your NFL deal for the most part. So I think it would have given me the opportunity to still be at a place of A and M like that, be able to make money and be able to, you know, still continue to go play the college football life. You know, I think there was, it's tough for me looking back, having left two

years of eligibility on the table. When you like watch NFL now, I mean, so many QBs are improvisational. I think that that was like the most fun watching you in your career and how you just improv. Go back a little bit like what I really am curious like what high school Johnny was like, like especially for like the improvisational styles. That's something that's just in you. Obviously, I don't think you get coached up to be like, just, you know, play breaks down, do what you got to do. Like, where does that come from? Is it a young age or when we, when I got to high school, we would play a game like a rugby type game where you would pretty much just like toss it around the field for the most part. And it would be one of those things where you're, you know, running to the left, full speed, and you have a guy all the way to the right and you're throwing, you're just chunking the ball around the backyard. And then ninth grade when I got to high school,

we ran pretty much a Texas Tech air raid type of offense. In high school, like just five, four, five wide every single time. We'd never had a tight end once in four years of offense. Never went under center one time. We'd never had a tight end once in four years of offense. Never went under center one time. So I mean, I think it just set me up well playing in that kind of offense and that kind of style. And then luckily, you know, I go to A&M and I get there my first year and I'm playing for Mike Sherman and it's all under center, all pretty much your basic, you know, pro style as it gets.

And I really, really struggled that first year being there and then got lucky to have Kingsbury and that same kind of offense come in the next year. Dude, so I was, so at USC when I was there, I had Norm Chow who was a great quarterback, West Coast fit my style. He didn't believe in shotgun at the time. So I believe it doesn't work.

You can't win this way. It's like a guy doesn't believe in three. I the NBA. He always believed I need to be under center with my eyes up, getting the ball, right? Cause in shotguns, sometimes you put your eyes down. Oh, we had great teams, had a great O-line. So I didn't get hit a ton, but I just remember like third downs, like third and seven, double A-gap blitz.

I'm literally under center. Like it was, it was crazy. I was in shotgun maybe four plays in college. And it was when I sprained my knee, I was like, cause I couldn't, I couldn't move. I couldn't get out of the snap to like hand off whatever. But it was so opposite. But I didn't see the thing that I felt fairly comfortable

in shotgun, but like under center was my whole thing. Your play action. For me, when I got to the league, obviously it was like learning how to take a snap under center for the most part. Isn't that crazy? It was, we probably only ran You know 12 15 plays in both my years of college where we ever went under center It's like a real thing like that. Wait, but was your high school team just putting up?

numbers we Because not every defense in high school is ready for that We kind of look at a special like high school where we would go Pretty much play like some really good teams in San Antonio. So we like sought out our coaches were psychopaths. They would go and look at the top 10 of our area every year and pretty much go into it and try and schedule anybody that would play us. And a lot of teams would think we're just some crazy, crazy white boys from outside

of San Antonio and they and they would schedule these games. So no thing that that did for us is we would go play these really hard teams from San Antonio and they, and they, we would schedule these games. So, you know, the thing that that did for us is we would go play these really hard teams from San Antonio. And then we would get into our district and get a chance to really kind of, you know, let our team flow a little bit. And they got us a lot better. So, you know, as this offense,

they installed it pretty much, you know, my freshman year. And as it kept going on and getting through the seasons, we, we had a, you know, we had a pretty, pretty firepower offense for sure. We really didn't have a lot of talent though, for the most part. Like, you know, we had guys who were good fit for the system, but I think I was maybe the only person

that really ever played, you know, maybe one other guy that ever played college football. Was, is Texas high school football as crazy as it sounds? Yeah, it is. It's as crazy as it sounds? Yeah, it is. It's as crazy as it is. I mean, they have stadiums now that are 20,000, 30,000 seat stadiums.

It's Friday night lights to the max. It really is as crazy as you've kind of heard about. We did a Texas Tech game this year. I got diverted because of weather to Odessa or Midland. And immediately I went to Friday Night Live. So I'm like, where's Permian? Where's Odessa? Yeah, I was like this.

And it was in the middle of nowhere. I felt like I was in a different world. But I literally immediately thought of like, this is what high school football, like Texas high school football is. That makes me sad because growing up in New York, my high school, we didn't even have our own field. Did you play high school football like Texas high school football is. That makes me sad because growing up in New York, my high school, we didn't even have our own field. Did you play high school football? So what Matt likes to do, he likes to draw me

into these athletic questions. He actually asked me, he asked me, he's like, if I was a football player, which position, like if I was a 45 year old, which position would? If every football team had to have one 45 year old player on their team, so rule, new league 45 year old player on their team. So rule, new league rule. I'm on your team.

All right, we got, and you have to run one play. We have to be on the field like a, like little league. Like every kid has to have an at bat. I have to be on for one play. What position and what are you having me do? And then we'll tell you what Matt told me he's going to make me do. I think you have to put,

I think you have to put you a slot. Oh, he's got faith. He put me as gonna make me do. I think you have to put, I think you have to put you a slot. See, Johnny's got faith. He put me as a holder. He said, you're going to get a kiss. And then we ran some. I didn't even think about special teams. I love it. No, Johnny has the faith.

You're the, you're the, I'm like, well, If we can't put him at the slot and like have a zone coverage and just make him run a stick route and just put it on him. He asked me, he asked me, he's like, we were running a hitch earlier today. I was like, he's like, how far is the hitch? That's five yards, right? I said, yeah, roll it, it's five yards.

I was confirming. No one ever confirms with you. Larry Fitz didn't come up to you and just say, you know, you want this five or you want this seven. He used to come up to me and say, hey, what do I got on the backside of that again? I tell everybody like, do you ever have guys in the huddle that were like,

what do I got? Yeah, I sometimes I was like, I was like, shit, dude, I don't know. What are we at? Let's just run a goal route or something. It's too much terminology. I always say sometimes there is more backyard football that goes on a little bit than people realize. Yeah, I didn't have a lot of that go on throughout my time.

But I know when I got in for my first time in an NFL game, we were playing in Buffalo. And how you get into your play calls and your boots or, you know, I sent, we get under and I called the receivers routes one way, but I rolled the wrong way pretty much. So I rolled to nobody. So as I think to the right and you're like, where's everybody?

I see my two backside guys are running and I'm just running to nobody. And I'm just Kyle Shanahan just mother fuck me to the moon. Wait so you rolled like right? I did like a play 18 like you know naked the other way and then my both my ex and fucking slot receiver taking off on the overs it was it was brutal I just had to run like as fast as I could and just throw it into the stands. Was it was it always football for you in high school? Did you play basketball, baseball? I feel, yeah.

I thought growing up, it was always going to be a baseball route for me. I started playing from a really young age, probably, you know, six, seven years old, and then did that travel baseball, you know, thing all the way. What was your position? I played middle and field, I played shortstop mostly.

You look like a baseball player. You feel like you'd be a good, yeah. I kind of just got burnt out on it though. I think once you play, even do that travel circuit from the time you're like eight until you get to high school, you know, you do it for six, seven years. I think for me, I just started playing football and it was just something new, something fun. I think it's just a chance to get on, get a little bit more on the aggressive side of, you know, running around getting hit and being able to do that. And baseball like slowly started to kind of, you know, slide, slide into the backseat.

Going back to the baseball thing, did, did Cole play a lot of baseball too? So he didn't, he never really, I hear as like now parent with kids like that travel baseball is the one like, Oh, you're going to be on the baseball field for 12 hours in the summer traveling all I'm sure in Texas too, like, you know, just games all over the place. So I'm a little worried about the travel baseball with the kids. It's fun though.

It's fun. I had a great time being able to do it. Me and my mom went all around the state of Texas into Louisiana. We played all over the South. Texas high school baseball, legit too. I want to ask about the Heisman. I don't think I've ever asked you this

because when I was able to win in 04, like it was like kind of pre everything. And you know, we've talked about this. Like I got dinged a little bit by cameras and all that kind of stuff. But like, we were like, here's the key to the city that night. Like go rage, go do your thing. So fun.

And everybody used to go out. Like everybody from all the guys that were doing the show, the Heisman guy, it was just a party. Like, my night was a party. I know it changed at some point. I don't like, what was that night like for you? The first year that I've, when I won and went the first year, I was maybe just turned 19.

So I wasn't usually- You were 12? 12, yeah. So I wasn't even really able to like go out and do anything. I'm sure at that time I was like really trying to find somewhere in New York. It was like, I couldn't even drink, I couldn't even drink legally for the most part. But you know, I did have, you know, my dad there and stuff.

They brought up a huge bucket of like Budweiser's or something, just got to sit in one of the big suites. They upgraded to a nice newer suite once you went at it. So I got to sit up there just with like three or four of my boys from from high school that came up with me for the trip and just sat in Times Square and just sat in between the trophy and all of us and just slammed beers until as late as we possibly could. And then the next morning it's 630 a.m. You got to go get on the ESPN bus. That's messed up. That you got. One more day.

I was up till so we did. You take the trophy and go everywhere for the most part the next day. You did like cold pizza. Was that that? Gosh, I want eight years. I'm a lot older. So it was like I was just telling him like, did you win it? The next morning, you're hungover shit and you got to do the whole media circuit. And then like, I think when I, with those years

we had to go speak to the tri-state all-star football like banquet that night. And then the next night was the big night. But I was telling Jerry, my night was, I was 22. I was older. So I was like, let's go. I was 21. You brought like the, not losers, but the guys you beat.

You brought with you for the night. Like come on, let's all. A couple of my boys were there. Like the quarterback group, but the guys you beat you brought with you for the night like my boy my boys were there right like the quarterback group the room was there and then we had like a big limo and It was like all the guys that were like Herbie was there like all the guys like they were all Fowler all those guys No, even those guys come out. Where would you Matt? Well, you're funny was urban urban was there with Alex Smith So now I work with urban and somehow Urban got like, he tells a great story, he got pushed into the limo.

It was me, my brother, Adrian Peterson, I think his brother, Jason White I don't think went out, but then Reggie was there and then Alex Smith and Urban and it was like 20 of us and we were just like, let's go. Like we're going and everyone is happy. Urban like ducked out, we stopped right in front of the club and he just ducked out and left. But we, it was a rough long night.

It was the best night ever. It's such a unique award because, you know, I've been lucky enough to go to a few of the like Golden Globe, Emmy type award shows and 50 people win awards and you go out to all the parties and everyone has little trophies or whatever. But it's one winner, there's one person and then you get to to all the parties and everyone has little trophies or whatever, but it's one winner. There's one person and then you get to go into the city.

I remember early in Entourage when we went to the Golden Globes, our first day of shooting season two was the next day. It was just a bummer the way it worked out. And we went out and hit all the parties and I remember coming home, sun coming up, we had a six a.m. call time the next day. Day one of work, season two,

and I hit my head It's the pillow I go this I'm about to fall asleep and the alarm clock goes off I didn't even get the chance to fall asleep and let's just say the hair makeup trailer We were like, hey guys use all your powers you got fit whatever you could do to get me to look I just think the hyzer know is such a unique trope because just it's one person They're not doing a bunch of different awards for the night. It's just one one guy What did you what did you think when Reggie got his back? I thought it was awesome. You were pretty vocal Yeah, I thought it was awesome. I know

No, when you go there and you Get a chance to like go back now just never sat right with like anybody that he wasn't yeah You know able to be a part of it for things that guys are getting paid for right now to be able to do. Obviously it's different times and different rules back then, but in the reality of it, I'm glad that they did what they did and I'm glad that it worked out that way. Yeah. He deserves it. It is bullshit, as we all know.

It's just got to feel weird when you're watching something that you know is bullshit happening in front of your eyes and then such a big penalty and becomes such a story. And did you think that he, did you guys, but you particularly, did you think he would one day get it back? Did you ever? Yeah, I did.

I, yeah, I think just because of the shift in college athletics, I just, you kind of just felt like it should have never happened, but you just felt like it was gonna happen. And Reggie had to do some stuff too, that he was a little like, just like, hey, at some point you gotta just let this go, and everyone's gotta come together, and like, you know, like kinda,

he just, you know, he felt like he just got so slighted, which he did, but it was like, just let it go and move on, these people want it back, and let's like, hey, shake go and move on. These people want it back and let's, let's like, hey, shake hands and move on. So he finally did and they did, and they did the right thing, obviously, but it was a good, it was a good day for his family, man. It was like, he got to show his kid.

I remember I was talking to him, he's like, dude, I got to show my kids the Heisman Trophy, which is all they, they're old enough to know that like, what just kind of happened, you know? Like he was, that's not like, you know, so it was good, man. Well, listen, I'm a big nickname guy. Do you even remember who dubbed you Johnny football? I have no, I have no idea.

I was trying to think of that the other day. I'm like, I have no idea. Was it someone on like, was it an ESP? I can't remember, but it just happened. I think it was somebody through the Texas A&M side, to like that fan base a little bit. But it happened in college. It wasn't like a high school thing or anything like that. Not that I can remember.

No, it didn't start until I got to A&M. And you don't get to choose your nickname. Were you always kind of like, that's kind of cool one? Or you're like, ah, we could have did better. I think it's one of the best ones. We do nicknames a lot. I thought it was a great one. Great one.

One that still sticks around a little bit. I have people come up and call Johnny football, probably more than they. Would you rather be called Johnny football or turtle? Turtles the greatest. Right. I would say turtle is like an iconic. Well, John, if you, if you say Johnny football, you mean Johnny football's worth it. Let's clear the record. Like if someone that's watched any TV and you just say, dude, that was turtle. Like you, you're an icon. you got an iconic character, bro.

Give yourself some credit. And to this day, I still don't know why the characters, Nick, like, what's the story? We know why you're called Johnny Football. It's pretty self-explanatory. Johnny Football is just like Texas. Why on earth does he walk slow? I mean, did he like Ninja Turtle?

I thought in my mind maybe he was a big Ninja Turtle. Why? You were a little rounder. You can say it, man. I'm not ashamed of it. No, I were a little, you were a little rounder. You can say it, man. I'm not ashamed. No, I'm just saying you were a little. I was a big boy. Yeah, but you looked good that.

But I always love when people, so people come up to you like Johnny Fobel. I get dudes come up to me and like, I'm the turtle in my group. I'm like, yeah, I could see that. And then every now and then someone comes up and says, I'm the Vince. I'm like, really?

You? Okay, all right, Vince, sure. I'll see you around. And I'm like, you think very highly of yourself. That's amazing. There's a big like young quarterback seeing the NFL now and you've been through this and we had Kurt Warner on who's someone that I played with. I learned a lot early on. It was more competitive, but I learned a lot from him. And especially as I look back, I was like, he was, he was just great. You know, he's a hall of famer. He, he had told us that he's like reaches out to young quarterbacks and just trying to help them and guide them and stuff. Did you have, and they, they never really, they kind of fade them.

Yeah. I think it's a different generation. I think a lot of these young guys, for the most part, like kind of think they already know what they know and they really don't know what they don't know. That makes sense. It was there. I mean, there was a mentor you had, or like, do you wish going back, like there was a guy, cause who did you have in Cleveland? You had Hoyer?

Is there someone that you're like, man, it would have been cool to reach out and maybe learn something from? Or? I got to learn a lot. I felt lucky when I was doing my pre-draft stuff. You know, I got a chance to learn from Kevin O'Connell. Yeah. Yeah. He's obviously with the Vikings now and doing an unbelievable job. But he was living in San Diego and had a ton of knowledge, obviously

having been at the Patriots and, you know, came and sat down with us every day, pretty much through pre-draft stuff and did a lot of my film work, a lot of my board work. So I felt really lucky to be able to sit, be with him for that process and then get a chance to go and learn from Shanahan. And then funny thing that staff kind of turned over and then next year, um, he ended up being our quarterback coaching. Oh, he did? Yeah. Oh, so you had him. How great, how I always try to explain like Shanahan's offense, how great it is. It's sick. It's so sick. It sounds like a lot of terminology.

I feel like there's a lot of like you have to be on. Motion, bunch, whatever the hell you were saying before. It's just so like the scheme and they're just, he's a brilliant play caller and scheming and getting guys and then playing to your strengths. Like it's just unbelievable. I tried to explain it in like simple terms of why, cause everyone's like, why did,

why is Jimmy Garoppolo having these, why are these quarterbacks playing a certain way? But it's just interesting how like, just like Kirk Cousins can run the exact same offense is what RG three was doing. And they're completely different players, like, yeah, the same offense they do from the pistol and from, you know, side by side and shotgun as they do under center, it's all just kind of

tailor made and timed out the exact same way. And it's all just so, you know, predicated on the run game and like so technically sound. So it really was, you know, getting a chance to learn from a guy like that and learn an offense like that was, was something. It does seem like, you know, cause I, I watch all sports and I do believe that situ and that's talked a lot about this too. Like the situation is really so important. You know, sometimes players don't work out in whatever sport and it's not just, it's definitely not a lack of talent.

It's just the situation. And I think with basketball, you, you certainly see it. And, but with football, especially with the quarter, and maybe that's the sort of, not the secret, but the thing with the QB, it really does seem so situational where you end up. I just couldn't imagine like you're talking about, so you lit up when you just talked about Shanahan system. You had like a look that I haven't seen. So like you just lit up when you talked about it. Yeah. It was definitely one of those things that like, once you see it and

like look back at it now thinking about the football aspect and football side of things, you're just kind of like, Whoa, that was, to watch one guy be able to coach all 11 positions, no problem. It was just, it was interesting. Definitely having some time in that offense and more years would have been something that I could have really, really enjoyed. But it really is all situation.

Depends on where you go. And more than anything, I think you need a coaching staff and organization and you really need pieces that believe in you. I mean, you look around the league now, you got guys who have their guy and like we were talking about Garoppolo for sure. Like you got Shanahan that loved him and it just kind of

can be your story a little bit. So it just, you know, it takes one or two guys really, really believing in you and helping you develop. I mean, you still have to develop these. You'll see a lot of these, you know, young guys now. You just need time to be able to have somebody to trust you, give you the time to be able to develop into something great. Who is your favorite quarterback growing up?

Who I loved watching Michael Vick play, just the mobile aspect of it. There was really nobody else that was that was moving like that, that was running and doing that but throw into the football Brett Favre was just a crazy, crazy gunslinger and just unbelievable arm strength. I played him actually by the week my oldest Cole was born, I was a rookie. He was born on Tuesday on our off day. I flew home, was there and then flew back and we played at Green Bay that week. Got our ass kicked, we were terrible.

But I got to start against Favre, he was my favorite quarterback growing up. I was like, you know how you find sometimes, I don't know if it's that, you find yourself like young and you're playing against like Tom Brady and you're like, I gotta watch him play. Like I was like a kid in a candy store and they beat our ass, but I was like watching number four in Green Bay play.

It was like, it was so awesome. And we would play the we would have a game obviously against the Steelers every year. And just to watch like Big Ben, you know, you would see him be kind of like up and down at times a little bit through the season. But when he played the Browns was like the most him and Antonio Brown were just like, is it fucking crazy like how, because we played against Ben a bunch, and like, how one, how big he was.

He was one of the biggest dudes I've ever seen. And he was like, just kind of like frumpy a little bit, you know, but he was a dog. Like it was crazy in person and he could move. And he was like, not fast, but like fast. You have a little shake to him. It was just wild. He has a wiggle.

He's an old, like we'll never get another big band dude. He was like six, six to 65 and like, but Ron and like, I was just, it was just, he was great, man. He was, it was fun to watch in person for sure. He was, you ever think about like this coaching interest to 1% or is it not something that you don't know, man, the college,. The college aspect I think would be fun, but then the recruiting trail and hitting that and doing that, it is like,

I talk to Cliff Kingsbury a lot and I've brought it up to him a couple times and he's like, bro, enjoy your fucking time. Enjoy your life, man. Enjoy your life. I don't know how they do it. I could see him when he was at Texas Tech, he was just like, fuck man, this is a real grind.

Dude, and by the way, now they're making, some are making millions of dollars. Now you're dealing with that shit. Like you're recruiting kids who are already making a ton of money. You're like, what am I doing, man? Yeah, it's a different world. It is a different world.

You gotta have, you know, either really strong program that like doesn't put up with the shit and is willing to like let guys, you know, walk and let them go. Or, you know, I think that's the thing that you see about really good programs right now it's a very like buy-in and like get all the way in and all that other shit that the money and everything else like it would have been nice to make a lot of money though back then i ain't gonna lie dude for sure as an outsider you know nil money you know, LA probably doesn't probably wouldn't have gone. Yeah.

You would have been a little bit cash, man. I've been all cash on the cash as a, as a complete outsider looking at that. Like I, and I'm an old head now, so I definitely, cause I get frustrated with even like actors today in the way things are, you didn't have to do this. You didn't have to drive all over town submitting these tips. I would definitely be a little like, this shit's crazy that it's happening now. I'm not saying bitter, but I would have some feelings

about it. I'm petty like that too. I would have some feelings. I don't know, are you ever like, are there like, cause you always get like, oh, what would you have made or make in the future? How much do you guys get asked? How much money would you guys make?

Probably a lot. I'm not really bitter for these kids. I don't have that feeling. No, I know what you're saying, but it would have been cool to be in this era to make that. But I kind of feel like we paved the way for, I don't know. Oh, for sure. There had to be a lot to happen to be

able to even get to that point to be able to be where it is today. So I think I look at it now and I think it's great. It's gotta be great for your son to be able to be going to SMU and be able to go to a place like that. That's It's, it's, it's what advice I need advice man. I'm like the, I'm like, I live it, but now I'm a dad of like shielding him from NIL

because I'm like, I want you to earn it. I also don't want him to get the feeling of what it's like to like, like it's weird man, because it's like I want him to make the money. It's an opportunity, but he's also not smart enough to understand how all this shit works. He's a kid still. I mean, he's a man, but he's a kid. I just had this conversation the other day and he's asking me and it's good, but I'm like, let me handle this.

Like I want him to, you know, like it's weird. It's a weird thing, man, with these kids, because I don't want that to affect his overall goal or what he wants to accomplish. And it's easy to do that. He's a good kid and all that stuff, but it's just like, that's a challenge that I'm going through right now. Yeah, it definitely is very easy to get focused on the money.

And you can go in with nothing and just your scholarship and everything else and just go run. You're living a great life. Free tuition, you're playing ball in Texas.'re playing ball and Texas and that's good. That's sweet. Do I have permission to nerd out with some golf stuff with Johnny for a minute? Cause I know Johnny, first of all, how is the golf game these days?

All right. I think I'm hovering probably around of, I don't know, four handicap. I haven't played that much this year though. This has been my least, it's been the least amount of golf I've played in a year. When I first went to Scottsdale, I probably played, you know, 150 plus rounds. So good to go Scottsdale. So I played a little bit. That was good. I bet I've only got in like 10 or 15, 10 rounds this year, 15 rounds. So I remember watching you did Bob does sports, right? Do you have, do you have plans? You must get approached all the time to start a golf YouTube channel.

I think you would crush it. Thought about it a little bit. I think I would. You would crush it. It's been fun to do the Bob Does Sports and go out on a couple of those guys and just be able to go and have a day. Right.

Would you want to do your own? You just want to pop in on other guys for here. And then when you want it. I can see myself doing that for sure. That's something that definitely fits my lifestyle. If you want a co-host, if you want someone to do that. Jerry is like hardcore selling golf to you, to me, what is, what do they do?

They just ride around the car. I'm the old head and I'm telling you about Bob does sports and YouTube golf. And I'm the old guy. I'm not watching Bob does sports on YouTube at the house. Okay. Pretty fucking good. It's with those guys, it's more about the hang. Right?

So that is good. Good. Good. One good golfer and the rest of them, Joey Kolkots gets a little high, he can get hot sometimes, but they're just, it's just the hangin'. They're just boys talking shit, hanging during a, yeah. What's wrong with that?

Nothing. You would cry, I mean, your channel, I think would be really, really good. We were talking about this, I'm just gonna throw this out there right now. Dream foursome golf, anybody you could golf with. Love this question, cause you can go so many different and I got, I actually got a different one for you after this.

Living. We'll do living. We'll do living. All right. Um, I think you have to play with Tiger. Gotta play with Tiger. I think you have to play with Tiger just to see it. Tiger now is starting to do YouTube stuff. Like he'll do a lot of stuff with Scheffler and he'll watch Scheffler hit a shot and he gets so giddy. No, no, he actually is like, he like marvels at, but you almost know he's like, in his mind he's probably saying like,

I was doing that when I was 14, but good for you. Tiger, I'm with you on that. You can't overlook our goat. I think you have to have maybe John Daly. That's what I was gonna say. I got to hang with Daly a few months ago when he was doing the Champions thing at Firestone. And his caddy was like, you need any golf clubs?

What do you mean? He's like, what do you need? I'm like, I always need a three wood. He went in the house and came out with the three wood head, not on the shaft. Like this is what John hit today, take it. And he handed me this stealth bomber of a three wood that I can, I brought it to the golf shop

to get a shaft put in there. Like we haven't seen, we don't have the adapters. We haven't seen this yet. How'd you get this? They were interrogating me. All right, so Tiger, Daly, you now rounded out. Probably Jordan. Probably Jordan, big golf guy.

Obviously likes to gamble. I was gonna say there'd be a lot of money won. All right, my variation on that question is me and Scottie Scheffler challenge you and a PGA Tour player of your choice to a two V two money match, alright? So you can pick any PGA golfer, I got Scottie though, I take the world number one. You shouldn't try to sell this right now.

Cause I'm like a 12 handicap, so I'm the scrub, I get to pick, I pick Scottie Scheffler, who you going into battle with versus to us? You know, it would be an uphill climb for us, but I would go with one of my boys. I would take Max Homa. Oh, Max Homa. Max is a beast.

Max is the man. We've become good friends and Scott Stale, he's turned into a fucking hell of a guy, a real force on the tour. Scotty, week in and week out, not a lot of guys beat him, but I think that'd be a hell of a day. Max, what I love about Max, first of all, he was awesome in the Ryder Cup too,

even though USA got their ass kicked. Max talks shit to people on Twitter all the time. Does he? Yeah, like some dude posted a video of him hitting his three wood and saying, I hit my three wood 10 yards past home, and he's like, that's really cool that you do that. If you need discount tickets to any of the PGA Tour events,

let me know, I'll make sure I invite you as my guest. It's great. You can hit your three wood 295 yards. No, he goes at people. He does. He does. See, me and John, we're starting a YouTube channel. Have you ever hit with like a gal, like with like a real gallery with people on the side?

It's single-handedly. I literally think I literally will shit my pants. I'm thinking about shit right now. Have you done that? Yeah, I did a, the good, good guys did a tournament at this part three course. And yes, the clippings, right? There was probably, I don't know,

a couple thousand people out there. And I got up on the first tee and I absolutely shanked it over the top of everybody that was lined up on the way. It was part three course, right? So what'd you have like a satire or something? I know, I had like a, probably a 50 degree wedge and still found a way to fucking shank it. And luckily it didn't kill anybody.

I've done it a couple of times. I played years ago, the Pro-Am, it used to be called the Mercedes Benz. It's the first tour event of the year. It's only 30 pros. And I get paired with Jeff Ogilvie, who at the time had won two US Open. By the way, Jeff Ogilvie didn't talk to me

for the first four holes. And then this caddy finally comes up, he's like, he's not going to talk to you until he makes a birdie. And then he made a birdie and he was the coolest dude ever. I'm like, oh, wish you had told me that hours ago. That first tee shot, because I had driver, to me, driver's the scariest club to have in your hand

on a tee shot with all those people. My hands were trembling. At least it's got the biggest, like, radius, yeah. Yeah, it's got the biggest. But if you snap hook one into the gallery, like, it didn't, who on Good Good did that? Yeah.

Was it Garrett, Garrett Clark, like snap hooked the driver into a dude's elbow and just blew up. Matt, we've got to get you, you know, you're not invited on Johnny and I's YouTube channel. You're not, he's out, Matt's out. Okay, before we let you go, so we do, I don't, put you on the spot, CZ,

we do a throwback three segment, every pot, and we just, anything from movies to whatever. Top three Texas high school football legends. I think you've heard stories about some of these guys, but can only imagine. I think you probably have to put Kyler on that list. Yeah. Never think you'd lost a game.

Stafford is a guy that's still very much still talked about from Highland park and Baker school, Baker school at Lake Travis was, was you know one of the most dominant runs in Texas high school football history really they were unbelievable Baker Stafford and Kyler was like I think he's all-time like high school play like these looked at like that right like yeah I really don't think he lost the game that's wild for a For a big, big five a school in Dallas. And where'd he go? He ran it. He went to Allen. Oh, Allen. That's right. Yeah. He went to Allen.

Before we let you go. I know you got glory days now. Uh, I listened to, obviously I listened to Matt's episode cause I, you know, this is my guy and I listened to the Odin episode. The Odin episode was awesome. Did you know Odin lot much before you? I had met him one time before, but was always like, it was always like really interested in his story. I think just two similar guys who had been like, you know, we obviously didn't get a chance to play in the league very long, his because of injuries. I mean, I think just getting to deal with certain things in life and you run

into people like that, you're able to have a little bit of chemistry about, you know, getting back and being in a good place and, and you know, the ups and downs of life. The show's great it's in the rotation for me. The show was great I was with Tum on the flight to LA and I look forward to now I'm already like I'm all caught up kind of so I'm like when's the next batch of glory days coming so I'm waiting on it. So good luck with that it's a really good one and thank you for doing this man. That's a good start. Johnny football baby. Johnny football what a great nickname way better than Turtle by the way Don't even dare make that comparison. Turtle's pretty good. Yeah.

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but for other reasons, I'm gonna highlight the reasons why I think he's money. All right. Timothy, you're not ready for this one. You're not ready for this one. I'm definitely not. You're going to have to educate me. Timothy Chalamet. We all know his wonderful performances in Dune and just a bunch of movies, right?

Kid's a star. He's a superstar. He's Juan Soto in the acting world. He ain't going to get paid that much. But do you know what's really cool? Now, we learned last weekend that Tim knows a little bit about college football. We learned that. That was cool. And then this thing that's been floating around on Twitter from 2010. OK, Landry Fields of the New York Knicks back then. Now he's the GM of the Hawks and he's done a good job

Landry Fields tweeted back in November almost 14 years to the day Me and Andy Rotten's will be in the city tonight starting at 5 p.m The first person to find us and answer our trivia question wins two tickets to the Knicks game. Who do you think wins? Yeah,, your boy. And then he posts, I don't know. This is final. He had it. He goes, the winner is Tim Chalamet and he won the contest. There's a picture of him that will post up looking at the tweet you sent me. He must be 12 years old, 11 years old.

He's putting up the peace signs. He looks cool. Tim, we did not know you peace signs, he looks cool. Tim, we- Didn't I know you had- You didn't know. Yeah. I didn't know. You say you used to play pickup with him a little bit too? So he is my money moment for the week.

But yes, I started a pickup basketball game in Hollywood years ago. It's still going on to this day even though I don't live there. A lot of actors, producers, writers, whatever. And one time my good buddy, Sherm, who I think produced the indie that Tim, Tim was in, and he was like 15 or 16 years old, brought him to our game. And I was like, who is this little kid? And by the way, he could ball, he could ball. He could play. Some of these posts, WTF the lore Timmy had

Add this to add this to the lore as well. He's getting an auto by Amari Stoudemeier and Legend I didn't know I didn't know he had that in him and he's got some game I got come to the pickup game and he would put in some good work again He was a kid but then years later at a Knicks game, Bree and I are at a Knicks game, and I hear 8,000 young girls screaming. So I'm like, who just walked in? What is it, in sync? Who is it?

It was Timothy Chalamet, walks in, walks past us to his seats and then turns, I didn't even realize it was him. I didn't realize it was the same kid from Pickup. And he goes, hey Jared, what's up man? How you been? And he daps me up and it's all hitting me. I'm like, Oh my God, that's a little Timo from the basketball game. So that's what they were calling them. So our money moment, uh, presented by cash

app, Timothy, shall, shall, a may keep, keep doing your thing, man. The movies are great, but I want to have a sport. I want to get you on this pod to strictly talk sport. I want to talk about doing too. I think he gained a lot of of a lot more fans over the past week just because just with the sports knowledge because if you look At him you kind of think like this kid doesn't know a lot about sports, but no he's about that He's about that life. So thank you to cash app for that and now it's time for the throwback three Alright, so throwback three top toys. we received as kids for top Christmas gift toys Presents we got as kids. This will probably be one of our last things we do for Christmas Because I'm ready to be done now at this point

So Matt and again, we encourage all of you at throwback show Tell us what your top three Christmas presents you received as a kid What did Matt liner get as a kid that he loved? So Okay, so the number, the original Nintendo system. Okay. I could have went every year with every new, every new game, you know, game console that came out. That was the OG original that introduced my brother. My brother was five years older than me. So I don't, it came out in 83 the year I was born. I'm pretty sure I started playing video games when I was four or five Yeah, but I remember like we didn't really have those until I think I was five So that was the very first one and obviously we've talked about it like some of the like RC pro and Mike Tyson's punch out

Excite bike like like some of the greatest games that I like call hockey baseball greatest games that I like baseball, hockey, baseball, hockey, like I could name a hundred different games, but the original NES system came out in 1983. One of my favorite Christmas gifts of all time. You probably went right for Duck Hunt because that came by the way, not know by the way, Zelda, my brother, Zelda, Zelda, my brother beat Zelda with his friend, which took him weeks to build or weeks to that's something we got to ask. I know we're going to have Justin Kroll on the show in a few weeks or so.

I know there's a lot of rumblings about a Zelda movie or a series. So we got to also check with Kroll on that stuff. OK, I hear you on that. My number three is in the same ballpark, but different game. I went Sega Genesis because for me, I loved, I got Nintendo too for Christmas one year. I was lucky kid. And when I got the Genesis that opened up the sports video games for me in a much bigger way that's Madden, you know, that's NHL hockey for me. So as much as I loved getting Nintendo and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out 007-373-5963, that's

the code. Sega Genesis meant more to me when I was like 10 year, whatever age I was on Christmas, like my mom really came through. So Sega Genesis for me. All right. Number two, you're going to die. I actually was going to put this number one, but I'm not going to put number two, the Millennium Falcon Star Wars. By the way, the original toy came out in 1979. I got it. We were big, big, big Star Wars fans as kids. So the Millennium Falcon, I remember it sat in the bottom of our, my dad's office. Again, we had a tiny house growing up. It was so big, it just sat on the bottom there with like,

we had He-Man figurines, we had all our G.I. Joes, we had all sorts of shit, but the Millennium Falcon was like this big thing, and we had all our Star Chewbacca, we had all the toys stuffed in there by far. By the way, people are gonna love that shit, because the Millennium Falcon was so fire when we were kids. So fire. I did not get that as a kid. Friends of mine, if you walked into someone's house and they had the Millennium Falcon, you're like, this kid is cool. But also the, the OG that I never got was the GI Joe aircraft carrier, which I think was like $400. If you

got that, you were just straight up. Did we still add our GI Joe's on fire? Yeah. So you might be you might be too young for and I'm only four years older than you but you might have missed the window on this. My number two do you remember anything called photon? Does that ring a bell to you? Of course. It does okay. Laser laser tag. Yes. So there was some really cool at home laser tag games back in the day. There was one called laser tag. And then there was one called photon. You get a helmet, a chest protector and a weapon. And you could hit either of the targets, the chest protector, the weapon or the helmet.

And with photon, you read the red or green. Red was always the more popular one. I got photon for Christmas and I walked my streets like a stormtrooper. I wore it everywhere I went and the only other kid I had a bunch of red teams on my side of the street there was one kid who was a green team across the street. You guys beat his ass. Hours of just hunting this green team down. We had a place called, we had a Photon place. I remember I had a brother five years older. So he was 46. Yeah, so Photon, yeah, I remember.

That's a great one, dude. Photon, and they even made, and I can't find it anywhere. Even on YouTube, it's hard to find. They made a supportive Photon TV show, which I don't think was any good, but that's how they did things back then. it anywhere. Even on YouTube, it's hard to find. They made a supportive photon TV show, which I don't think was any good, but that's how they did things back then. So that's my number two. I wanted to think your number one was, Hey, I got this, got this football when I was a kid and when I just put it in my hand, it just felt right. And I knew I

was going to, I hope it's something like that. It's probably the nerf football that the vortex member, the board the vortex member the board Yeah, I know I'm gonna put a spoon. I had to go again. I had to go with a game console and again, I wanted to try and be original of three different things, but it's just like Nintendo 64 so so Sega Genesis for you was like 64 for you. Yeah Mario Kart still still to this day. My probably my favorite like my I still play I played on Nintendo Switch like that. I'm still a child and most kids. That's their first game today. So for GoldenEye arguably the greatest game wave race. I was thinking

about this. I was looking like wave race. I used to play wave race for hours dude. So that like original Nintendo was great. We never to play wave race for hours, dude. So that like original Nintendo was great. We never really had super Nintendo. It was weird. We switched because I think super Nintendo came out around the same time as Sega Genesis. It was like, yes, Sega or you went, we had Genesis, we didn't have super Nintendo and then Nintendo 64 came out. And that was like the one that I remember my brother and I were like saving up and like you had to wait in line outside of like best buy for like or whatever target wherever my dad would say like six in the morning and you wait two hours to get the line then because you couldn't

order anything online back then. So 64 was the one that just hits me the most because of the games that were yeah that console. I love the all the WWE wrestling games on there. They were fantastic. And look, do you ever miss any of this stuff? It's so convenient. What I mean is like it's so convenient now. Matt, you want a game?

You just go click on you download it, right? And I know there's some novelty, not even Best Buy GameStop stuff. Like you can go to a brick and mortar store. But that feeling as a kid of going to the store and getting that thing that you wanted and bringing it home and fight, like to me there was no better feeling. That same goes for Blockbuster. Now I know it's easier, it's better today because we saved the time, but that hype, it's hard to build that hype anymore. Hype and opening up the, yeah and also like like these kids now, and like, we just like,

like, you know, they just, they get almost whatever they want. Like it's like, you just, you have access to everything. It was like, Nintendo's coming out in nine months. I can't wait to get it in 12. Like that's all you look forward to. It's all you look for. When you got it, it was like the greatest. That's why Christmas is fun with our kids age now

because they get so excited. But yeah, I mean, it's. Well, I'm gonna throw you a curve ball right now, Matt Liner, because my number one is not a toy. It's not a gaming system. It's an article of clothing. The thing that most kids hate to get on Christmas, an article of clothing.

Socks. No, I wanted more than anything, a starter jacket when I was a kid. They were expensive. You know, single mother, not gonna lie. We did not have it like that. Cannot go spend a buck fifty on a starter jacket. My, and I remember looking at it in the store and just, the first, that was like the moment I realized like, wow, we really don't have money like that. Because my mom was like, we can't afford this, Jerry. It's not happening. And to my mom's credit, she went back to the store.

I don't know if she put it on the credit card or did layaway, which was the thing back then. It was my Christmas gift. She hid it at my aunt's house in the closet in the basement. We used to always play over there. And to this day, it was a Ranger starter jacket. And to this day, I still have it back. It's like it's packed in my mom's house.

And that was the coolest thing I ever got because I wanted that so bad. Starter jackets were so far. One of my consolation was Reebok pumps. Yeah. Remember Reebok pumps? Like those were like the choice. I just bought the Michael Chang

tennis Reebok pumps where the ball is actually like the tennis material. I just bought them on StockX. Did you? I just bought them last week. Yeah. I'll wear them on the show next week. Good, because we can see them on the video. I'll put them right here next to my Reebok pumps, man.

That yeah, toys were the best growing up. Well, everybody, please let us know your top throwback three Christmas presents as a kid that you receive. It doesn't matter the year you were born. Hit us at throwback show. We will be watching for that. And Matt, we're going to get up out of here. Thank you to Johnny Manziel.

Go listen to his podcast. And yeah, just the man and way more to come. We got a lot coming down the pipe for the rest of the year.