Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Knicks In Trouble, Retiring the Word “Overrated” & Emmanuelle Chriqui on the Show!

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Jerry’s pain is Haliburton’s gain.  On the latest episode of Throwbacks, Jerry wonders if he cares about the Knicks TOO much in the wake of their falling into a 3-1 hole against the Indiana Pacers.  Has his obsession with the team actually become detrimental to his life??  Or is this just what being a fan is all about?  The guys give Tyrese Haliburton his flowers and suggest that it’s time we stop slapping the “overrated” label on great players.  Then, we’re joined by former Entourage star, Emmanuelle Chriqui!  Emmanuelle reflects on how she landed the role of Sloane, the storyline from the show that caused her to be genuinely mad at “E” and what she thinks her character would be up to today.  Plus, Emmanuelle talks about what it was like working with Adam Sandler and how the landscape of being an actor in Hollywood has completely changed.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  NHTSA  Click It Or Ticket. http://www.nhtsa.gov/clickit   Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm 45 years old. Can I be turtle like in the way they want? Do I still have it after one take with Kevin Dillon? You're like, yes. He takes off his sunglasses. He goes, we got to go to Vegas, bro. Holy this guy still got his fastball. And he is throwing. He is there. You know what?

I just can't do it. I just can't do it. I try really hard to do it. Hey, welcome to throwback. I'm sad today, Matty. Why are you sad, buddy? I just, well, first of all, thanks for everything. What's eating at you bud?

Let me welcome everybody in. Thank you for listening today. Please like, subscribe on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, leave reviews, all that good stuff which doesn't feel very important today. Because I'm sad that the Knicks are down 3-1. Are you? And I'm coming to another realization that I care way too much. You do care way too much. And I don't know how to control it. It's like when I videoed you this week

and I didn't tell you I was recording you and you gave the most perfect two and a half minute answer. I literally had to cut you off just so I could ask you another question. And as soon as we hung up, Josie's like, I just don't get it. I don't understand why people care that much about their team. I was like, yeah, babe, I don't know. Some people are just, you know, like, that's just, that's just who they are. And you are one of them, dude. Did you have any doubt when you were planning that half crank social media call that I would deliver?

You knew I'd deliver. Well the best part about it was, is when you said, you said Matt, was just texting you and I go how we doing buddy? And you just go, I'm a mess. Like that was the greatest, that was the greatest line. I was like, oh this is gonna be perfect. Yeah dude, I mean listen, I talked, I called you, I was like, oh, this is going to be perfect. Yeah, dude, I mean, listen, I talked, I called you.

I was like, there's something about this Knicks team that you root, I'm rooting for them now. I've become a Knicks fan. Although Kason, my five-year-old is rooting for the Pacers for whatever reason. I said, no, buddy, we got to root for the Knicks. He's like, no, I'm rooting for the Pacers for no reason. But they're just, I don't know, man.

Like they're tough, they grind, like it's hard not to like Brunson, but they're just, they're missing something. You know what I mean? Like they're just, I think I told you, and you said this, you're like, nothing comes easy for them. And that's a sign of just a good, tough team, but not an elite great team.

And when you watch the Pacers, and I know this series feels like it should be 2-2, but like, you watch the Pacers, they're smooth, they run, they have an identity, you kind of know what they are. You watch OKC, you know exactly what they are. You even watch Minnesota and you kind of know what they are. But with the Knicks, it's like,

I don't know which team is gonna show up. And that's hard to win like that in the NBA playoffs. And it's definitely only as a fan. I can imagine. So, all right, I'm going to go in for two minutes, but before we do, I just want to tell everyone we have, and maybe it's perfectly fitting that we have probably our most non sports related guests of all time. It is an entourage alum.

Our best guest. We taped this in person in LA not that long ago. We have Emanuel Schrieke, AKA Sloan, joining the show. AKA on the walls of every poster on the walls of, not mine, but my brother, my brother. When we were having her on, my brother's like, are you kidding me? I'm going to come up for that episode. And he never came.

Yeah, there was a lot more people around for that. It was funny when we had, like, you know, Johnny having her on, my brother was like, are you kidding me? I'm going to come up for that episode. And he never came. Yeah, there was a lot more people around for that. It was funny when we had like, you know, Johnny Manziel on, or we had Jack Flaherty. We had a good crowd, but word got out that Emanuel Shrieky was coming on. And all of a sudden it's like, wow, there's a lot of extra dudes here. She, you described her perfectly.

Not a sports girl, but like, doesn't mind. Like not like, you know, doesn't mind, like not like, you know, doesn't hate, just doesn't, doesn't know. No, she's still go to a game with you. You have a great time. She's like, is this like the sweetest soul of a person. Like you just felt like, like honestly, and you, you, you described her, she came in, she like, so sweet, down to earth, give you a hug. How's it going? She has that voice calming influence There's like just brings you in you get lost. Yeah, you get lost in the boys And just so fun, man

And again, I said this before but it's just always fun to see You back with the old crew, right? Like that's family to you and to see and we had the boys on and now To have her perspective from that show and just her relationship with all of you guys. And just honestly, like, like she's a badass, dude. She was a badass. She still is a badass. She's doing great things. Like she's, she's awesome, man. It's a, it's a great interview. Great actor. And I think she just got a pretty big part on some show that I should look up.

But yeah, the, the throwbacks kind of blessings keep going forward. And yeah, like, you know, it's so funny because so many dudes would come up to me over the years and be like, bro, how hot is she? I'm like, it really is like my sister. It's like my reaction. She looks the same, dude. She looks exactly the same. She hasn't aged one bit. She looks the same. I would always, Mike, I never go to the place like, yeah, dude, isn't she like, I'm always like, yo, that's like my sister you're talking about.

Watch your mouth. And like I said, there's so much more to her than just her physical appearance. Like you said, you caught onto the selfliness and we got some good stories about her. So that's gonna be great. Well, let's just keep your mind on Emmanuel and that and not on the Knicks.

Well, no, here's what I want to say, Matt. And I don't know, cause like, I'm not going to lie. You told me what Josie said and that hit home with me, you know, I respect Josie's opinion very much. So that hit home with me. Like I don't understand how you can care so much. It made me ask that question. I've asked you that a hundred times.

And I don't have a great answer. I don't, I don't want to. You know when I hit rock bottom? It was actually after game three. Knicks win game three. And then you know me after a win. I'm on Twitter. I'm out in those Twitter streets.

Well, I mean, God, you would have thought that Knicks won the freaking NBA championship after one win in the series. I was like, come on, guys. Act like you've been there before, dude. Well, we haven't. We can't, we haven't been there. So I got a text from throwbacks guest Justin Kroll, who kind of covers entertainment for us

when we have all our Hollywood questions, he helps us out. And it was like one in the morning, and I'm just tweeting at some random Pacers fan. Yeah, you get on a binge, dude. He texted me, he was like, dude, I need you to get off Twitter and go to bed. And he was out in the West Coast. He's like, I'm going to bed, because I have kids, it's 10 o'clock here.

You need to put down Twitter, because tell Liner to talk you off the ledge and go to sleep. And I just felt like a piece of shit when he said that. I actually went to bed. I mean, look, do you have the same energy when you guys lose? Yeah, I do go on bed. Well, do you I mean, look, do you have the same energy when you guys lose? Yeah, I do go on.

I do go on and you. Yeah, I'm not excitedly replying to anyone and everything. You got to find you got to find another hobby or something, bro. You got to take your mind off this. Well, now it's bleeding into my kid. Like, that's the problem. It affects your mood. Yeah, well, attitude.

My six year old has really started liking the Knicks on this run it's like his entry into basketball and First thing he asks me when he wakes up in the morning is did the Knicks win and I say no and he goes Oh, and he like almost has a tear in his eye. I can't do that to the kid So I got to get my my my shit together because I do think my fandom is going to, it's affecting other things in my work life as well. It is. You're a diehard because that affects you.

Like I am definitely like, I have my teams. I'm Dodgers, I'm Lakers, more so Dodgers. Yeah. I wouldn't even say I'm a diehard just because like, I gotta be honest, I've watched one Dodger game all year. But I watched the players. You tune in around late August. But that is my team. I do get upset if they lose. I am very, very invested in the playoffs, etc, etc. And I'm raising kids who only like the Dodgers. So

I definitely have that fandom. But like, the only time I felt like something bled into other things was coaching Cole and flag football. And I was the offensive coordinator for all the teams from third grade on to eighth grade. And as they got older, it gets a lot more competitive and we were really good. And you build rivalries in these leagues, local, whatever, all that kind of stuff.

I would watch hours of film, drop new plays every single week. And once the playoffs get there, I would lose sleep and it would affect the next day for me. And if we lost in a Super Bowl, don't talk to me for about two and a half weeks. And this is seventh grade. Oh, I would be like, dude, I still,

we lost the very last game that I coached him. Was he a QB too? Right after COVID maybe, or when he was, yeah, 14. I still to this day am like, I can't believe we fucking lost that last game. So I, I, I, I know the feeling of allowing it affect other things. For me, it was just something different. I, well, listen, you were at the game, you were at, you were at a game last week. Yeah. I mean, you were, you, you're, there's nothing better than feet touching wood in a basketball arena. So that's part of the journey, though.

We were on the air when I got the call that I was going to the game, too. You said it was your favorite clip of the show, right? Epic. Now, I don't expect anyone to feel bad for me here, but, you know, I literally booked a flight and a hotel room and I treated it like a trip like a work trip and I took my 16 year old nephew and obviously they lost game too, but It was so strange coming out of MSG after that game when we've been seeing all the celebrations on Seventh Avenue It is a somber place. It's eerie almost to come out of MSG to Seventh Avenue. And it's like

quiet after a loss. Because after a win, it's a party. I mean, it still was a great time. Knicks always take care of me, feet on the wood. I had what I thought was the best seat because I like sitting under the hoop because I like looking straight ahead. Talk to our guy Chalamet, who said, you know, we'll revisit him coming on the show maybe after the Knicks run, which might be ending tomorrow night. Sure, we'll get them on next week to talk about what went wrong. Met Coach Dable, who definitely has never seen an episode of Entourage in his life,

which is totally fine. He had on some great Jordans. And then, yeah, Russell Wilson strolled in. Yeah, how was that? QB1, I guess. You guys interact? Yeah, I know. Look, I know Russ.

I'm actually going to tell a story about how I really got to know guess. You guys interact? Yeah, I know. Look, I know Russ. I'm actually gonna tell a story about how I really got to know Russ. But here's one thing I will say. And he had on like really dope shades and I think his wife Sierra did too. Here's what I don't get. I know it looks cool. How on earth.

But does it though? Does it look cool? Does anyone see, it does look cool and I'm all about, hey look, commit to the look. How do you see a game through sunglasses and enjoy it? Just tell me how it, cause maybe it's cause I'm half blind. I put sunglasses on. I'm like Stevie Wonder. I cannot see a thing. And I look around.

I'm like, there's a lot of sunglasses. Shalime had sunglasses in last game. Shalime had sunglasses. I don't understand how you were enjoying the game. It's yeah. I mean, maybe they're like, I know Urban has like the readers where they're half sunglasses, half regular readers. So maybe there's some hysterical, maybe there's some type of tint in there that it really doesn't affect.

To me, there's only a certain amount of people that can pull that off. You and I are definitely not one of them. No, but I want to see the game. Me if I go there with sunglasses, it looks like I have cataracts. That's a great question. Just like, what do people think of wearing sunglasses indoors? I think it's a commitment to a look, which looks really good.

But I just, at some point, you're taking an amazing experience and you're saying, let's bring it back to like 480p and just make it look super dark and blurry. I mean, throw some sunglasses on. Like celebrity robe? ADP and just make it look super dark and what I mean throw some sunglasses like celebrity robo like the Nick Nick's court side has been a topic of discussion all over social media Yeah, I think a lot of it because of Stiller and Chalamet still or Chalamet. Look there at every game in India

That's I'm saying Every game in Indy Tracy Morgan is now spike one talks about like yeah Like maybe stiller is spike now though Tracy Morgan is that every single game if he is yeah, like maybe Stiller is Spike. No, no, Tracy Morgan is at every single game. If he is in New York and there's a Knick game, he's there and he is a true diehard fan. You talked to all those guys? Yeah, I said, I say what's up to everybody. I try to keep the vibes really, really high.

But that game, it just was very evident from the beginning that the energy, even in the building, was kind of low. So Lincoln Lawyer on Netflix is the show that Emmanuel Schrieke is now on. And that's a perfect time to segue. I feel like it's gonna be some more sports talk, but it's time now for Flavor of the Week, presented by Wendy's. But by the way, I would like to bury some of my troubles

in a new favorite frosty fusion flavor today You got choices like Oreo brownie Caramel crunch I said that for you Maddie and pop tarts strawberry. So each week we pick a flavor of the week. Look Pacers are up 3-1 leading the Eastern Conference Halliburton arguably had his greatest performance of his pro career a Month ago anonymous NBA player poll Halliburton was named by his peers, the most overrated player in the league. Anonymous player polls are stupid. Like really? Yeah, because he's averaging 24, 11, and 7, and two and a half steals in the ECF right

now. I think the- How many, how many, let me ask you a question. How many, how many players voted, who voted, do we know? We don't know any of that there were 90 votes cast of which he received 13. So it's not an Overwhelming vote that it was him, but it was he received 13 votes of me. I was the high and that was the high right? It's it's just not true because what he's doing right now this proves that but you have some other evidence of now Lamar Jackson, I don't think it was ever voted overrated, but you remember when he came out. They wanted to be a receiver, right?

Or a corner or something. He's a two time MVP. Right. I don't know why we have to respect to Mel Kuyper Jr. puts in the work, but yeah, he basically said if Lamar Jackson doesn't switch positions, he's not going to be an NFL player. And then you have Derek Jeter finishing third in MVP voting at age 35 after being named MLB's most overrated player in a Sports Illustrated poll of 495 major leaguers. So I think the flavor of the week is retiring this overrated narrative that we have going. Well, I was looking at it. So he was started in Sacramento.

In the four years he's been in Indiana, he's averaging pretty much 20 and 10. Two ECFs. Two ECFs, made the Olympic team, two or three time All-Star. And watching him, and again again as a casual basketball fan, I watch him and there's a difference between he and Brunson right like I think Brunson's great. Brunson's a star, he's a beast, I love but like Brunson is a ball dominant guard.

Different game. He's a score first. Halliburton doesn't want to score 30. He's not looking to pass, he dominates the ball. I think that's what gets them in trouble, honestly, a little bit for the Knicks. But Brunson's great. Halliburton, I mean, dude, he's averaging, I mean, the dude could average 30, I think if he really wanted to.

If he really wanted to, he could be Brunson 30 and four. Yeah, at least 27. 25. He's averaging 20 and 10 as a pass first point guard. And when you watch him play, you can't guard him. He can get to the rag. He shoots the ball pretty well, although his shot is awful looking.

I don't know, top two or three point guard in the league, probably, right? I mean, who else, who would you take over him right now, based on what he's doing for that team? It's funny because he probably is maybe one of the last, cause he's young, like pure kind of point guards. Like the guy who doesn't want to score 25, he wants to score 18 and probably have 13 assists.

So you could say he's almost number one because there's not many like him. Like remember Jason Kidd was like that. Yes. Jason Kidd was 14 assists a game, 18. He definitely did not have Halliburton's three point shot. Jason Kidd developed a nice three pointer toward the end of his career, but Halliburton was hitting, I think he hit every single three the other night. Like an Andre Miller, someone like that, like where it was just

like dude, hall of fame, like Halliburton's gonna be a hall of famer and he's gonna be one of the best and he's gonna be a 20 in 10 guy for the next nine years. Yeah, I don't think honestly, I don't think there's anyone else really like him. Give the man his flowers. Yeah. And he seems super likable. I mean, I like that.

A lot of people passed on, I can't believe we're giving Halliburne his. I mean, even though he did do the choke sign to the next, which I thought was, which I love. We're gonna end the Wendy segment with this. Maybe not the most overrated player by far, not close. He's not overrated at all. He's actually underrated.

He's the most corny player. He's got some- You don't do the Reggie Miller choke sign when your foot's on the line. He didn't realize it, bro. I mean, I thought it was a three, two. Let me just tell you one thing, Matty. By the way, if they would have lost that game, he would have got.

It's worse. If the Knicks, for some reason, come back from down 2-0, 3-1, and win this, which they probably will not, but if they do, that Halliburton choke sign is going to be the new Reggie Miller choke sign for the Pacers. That is going to be all time. You're going to see that image for the rest of your career. And also, he hits a three up 11, and he does the Brunson

celebration. Like, come on, bro. But Brunson does a celebration too. And they all do it. But he's trolling. He's out there trying to troll, and he's not even good at it. It's like the dude who tries to deceive people, but it's not funny.

You're the biggest troller on X I've ever seen for a sports team. That's X, that don't count. I'm not on prime time TNT trolling another team and being corny. That's why you never were an athlete. You know, you got to fuck. There's a lot of reasons why. All right. Well, thank you, Wendy's.

We're going to move on to All Time Adventures, driven by Nissan. Take adventure to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. Go to Nissan USA dot com slash Armada to learn more. We have to get away from sports right now. Let's shift, dude, because you're, you're just, you're a little tight over there. In honor, we do have in honor of Emmanuel Shrieke coming up to you in about one minute. This is also the 10 year anniversary that the Entourage movie was released. Limited release, May 27, roughly.

So I am gonna share something, because it does sort of connect to the basketball playoffs, okay? The press run for the Entourage movie, regardless of what anyone thought of the movie, it was fun to film, but the press tour was epic. The first thing we had leading off, we got, he's coming up again, Russell Wilson, who's in the movie, invited

us to screen the movie for the Seahawks at their facility. So we all hopped a flight up to Seattle. We walk into the facility. We don't even really know how this is going to go. We're at the door, the door's locked, we're ringing a buzzer, and someone comes up chewing gum loudly to let us in, and it's Pete Carroll. Coach walked up, and again, no clue who we were. He's like, what do you guys do? No, that's not true. He really didn't know.

He would've known. Trust me, Mr. Hollywood Pete? He kinda knew he let us in. Maybe he was just posturing. So we go in, we get a tour of the locker room, all this stuff. Then we get on the field, on the practice field. How nice is that facility, by the way? By the way, Seattle, I know weather-wise,

I think Russ at the time takes his boat from his house to the facility. It's not shocking. It's pretty dope. So of course, us being the competitive non-athlete, we're running the 40. We're kicking extra points. What is it called? The jug machine?

The jug machine, yeah. Harder than it looks. Super hard. It's not as easy as it looks. So screen the movie for the entire Seahawks roster, go to dinner with them after and then fly back home, okay? Then we get a call. We were gonna go to Atlanta to do the TNT show

with Shaq and Kenny and Ernie during Cavs-Hawks game five, Eastern Conference Finals. Then Kyle Corver breaks his knee, find out, oh, the Cavs are gonna sweep them, you're going to Cleveland game four. Warner Brothers gets us a jet, and we take a PJ to Cleveland. Guess who picks us up at the airport in a limo?

Shaq. Shaq scoops us up at the airport in a limo? Shaq. Shaq scoops us up, brings us to the building, we hang with the TNT guys the entire time and we watched the Cavs clinch to go to the finals. Game four they sweep the Hawks and I think that's the year they did lose to the Warriors in the finals. It was just an epic run. So great. So that's what I think about when I think of like

the release, my mind doesn't go to, oh, that's when the movie came out and it made some money. No, I think about all that behind the scenes stuff. I'm telling you, even Emanuel, she wants a reboot. Everybody wants a reboot. Where are they now? Well, that's what we ask her, I think. We ask her what Sloan is up to and are E and Sloan still together.

So thank you to Nisa and again, nisaonusa.com slash Ramada. Let's get to the Emanuel Shrieky episode. So thank you for being here. I've been like sort of joking around with Matt the whole time because one of my favorite things that you've got me doing now, you know what I'm going to say, right? Emanuel communicates via voice notes. And I never thought to do that, right? But I'll get this like, and I didn't even know what a voice note really was. It's like a year ago, but then I'll get this voice note from a man. And it's always like, Hey, Jer, so super sweet. But like, they're not boring.

You don't ramble, but you there's heart. And I feel they're not boring, you don't ramble, but there's heart. And I feel like when I try to do the voice note thing, I'm like, that's way too long. It's way too, I try to be funny. And then I wanna know what you think, because Matt's form of communicating, Matt's a Face Timer.

Oh, you just random FaceTime? Well, thank you, thank you. When I'm drunk, it's a random FaceTime. I FaceTime, I get made fun about my boys all the time. I FaceTimed him the other day, and he totally, I was like, I was with my wife, he red buttoned me. I'm like, he definitely is, he's free to talk to me. So I actually, I was like, you know what?

I'm gonna FaceTime Brie. And sure enough, Brie answers and Jerry's right next to her. So I'm like, dude. Busted. But voice notes are like the new thing. I think so. I think like, not that you would ever do this, but this hit me too.

You know, cameo, which like. Yes. But not cameo for you, but you sell voice notes. Do you know how many people would line up to get a voice, just a voice note, no face. Just a voice note from me. Hi, this is Emanuel. I just think you would make a killing.

Thank you so much. Can I tell you why I do voice notes? Yeah. Sometimes this is really, this is like showing my age. When you're in a rush, and I'm like trying to formulate, I'm like half blind, and I'm like, fuck me, man. I'm just gonna record what I need to say. And also, so much is lost in text translation

where I'm like, oh, that sounds harsh, but if I were to say it, it wouldn't be harsh at all. So I'm like, you know what, just listen to the voice note. I think you're onto something. I think I'm onto something. Well, we used to like, remember like, we used to leave voicemails for people. No one does that. But this is like the I'm forcing you to listen to my voicemail because I'm sending it via text.

Exactly. I think you're on some sometimes my my brain is working too fast for my fingers where I'm trying to type it out and it just and you erase it 100 times. So how do we feel about FaceTiming though? You can be honest. Okay, listen. Maybe if I wasn't so vain, but like for me FaceTime, like if I'm looking busted and suddenly someone I haven't spoken to in a minute. If Jerry FaceTime you would never answer.

I wouldn't expect if I FaceTime you at 9 o'clock in the morning. If you got a 9 a.m. I'd be texting you and I'd be like, nope. If you got a 9 AM, from me. I'd be texting you and I'd be like, what's going on? By the way, I don't FaceTime at 9 AM. It's usually maybe dinner, maybe it's a weekend. I just never know. I'm a big, I want to know what's going on first. Maybe I should take everyone's advice.

You got to understand, I come from a time too. Because everyone tells me no, but I'm like, I don't care. I was raised in a house where if my home phone rang, my mom would be like, who could that be? It was like the scream guy was calling to murder us. It's like, I don't care. I was raised in a house where like, if my home phone rang, my mom would be like, who could that be? Like it was like the scream guy was calling to murder us. It's like.

I think the coolest thing about you in my opinion is the music videos that you did back in the day. Which I didn't know you did. You did Zach Brown. Oh yeah. I didn't know this about you. So he didn't know this. So I did, Zac Brown. Oh, yeah. I didn't know this about you. So he didn't know this. So I, Hinder, Lips of an Angel.

Yes. Okay, so we were talking to Nick, like just the old TRL days, and how great music videos were. And I feel like I have to imagine you, like that's like, almost like, acting you made it, right? But like when you're in a music video,

like you said, like Alicia Silverstone was like, wow. What was it like? Well, Zach Brown's my favorite band of all time. Oh really? Yeah, that's why I say that. So what was it like being a part of that? I mean, it was so fun. It actually came about in the weirdest way.

A friend of mine who you know, Clifton Collins Jr. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was directing that video and it was in, not in Atlanta, it was in the south. And it was amazing. And he had this whole thing worked out and he was just like, would you come do this? And so for me, it was just like working with Cliffy as a director, doing this little mini story with the Zach Brown band. I was like, yeah, sure.

Like it was always like I kind of didn't overthink it. Uh-huh. But like all those music videos were at the height of my job. Yeah, really. Yeah. Like where, you know, you were like the girl. Like the Hinder one is hilarious. I actually watched the whole music video yesterday. I was like, this is amazing.

Like I haven't watched the music video in probably 15 years. I mean, don't you miss them? I do. That's what I'm saying. Like we were talking the other day, you get home from school and watch TRL on MTV because it was like, you would see the ranking. Yeah, kids don't know about TRL. They don't. They don't. That's something that Nicholas Shays is like, you almost like ranked yourself by like where you were on that TRL Carson Daly like list. Yes. I hit you up like a while ago to come on. And obviously like I go on victory pod with Connell.

I did, I went on with them yesterday and it really just gets you thinking when you like kind of go back and then knowing you were coming in here. I have a very clear memory of when I first like met you your first day. I have a very clear memory of when I first met you, your first day. We were trying on clothes for the Bob Mitzvah episode, and I don't know, it was somewhere in Robertson, some big department store, which kids out there, there were department, you used to go buy your clothes

from a department store for an event. And you know, cause initially, and correct me if I'm wrong, did you know how many episodes, like we were only kind of coming in in season two, like was it one or two or? I think it was like two or three max. That's what it was. But I had the tip off from Connolly.

He was like, this works, this works. I remember literally all of us saying like, she's gonna be around for a while. That's so funny. But you had no idea how long this would last. Not at all. No, that, Entourage was the biggest surprise of my life in a multitude of ways.

Like, yes, coming in as a guest star, and then getting called back and called back and called back, and then being in it to the end and then the movie. Like what? Do you remember back then, like when you're, whether it's your first day or first week, just, cause at that point, season two, it was successful critically.

There was some award stuff, but you know, it was still building and growing. It wasn't what it ended up becoming. Like just, do you remember any going into it? Like, did you know what it was when you went in and you were kind of like, it's a cool part. These guys seem okay. No, literally. Like it was really kind of going in blind. I mean, cause I didn't, I didn't watch the first did. Like it was in on my radar, so to speak. And then, you know, I kind of came in, had a crazy audition process. Like really.

Did you go in like 10 times? Or was it? I went in like a couple of times. Yeah. And I remember the first time that I went in, I went in. And I remember, like, this was just a cold audition. And Mark Wahlberg was in the room. That threw me, too.

He did that. They did that to me, too. That really threw me. Oh, no. That threw me. Like, I called my people. And I was in the room. That threw me too. He did that. They did that to me too. That really threw me. Oh no, that threw me. Like I called my people and I was like, uh, could you let me know? So what is it? Is that like you just go, I mean you go into a room and he's sitting there behind with the casting director. Is he running lines with you? No, definitely not. That really messed me up. So weird. But like I kind of knew him prior, so I was really thrown off. That would throw me, it did throw me. Yeah, it was weird.

And then, you know, I had a call back and before the call back, I got a call from Connolly. And you didn't know Kevin at this point, right? Barely, again, like peripherally, but no, we did not know each other, but I knew all his friends. And he was like, I remember he said to me, he goes, forget all the notes that you were told, just come in and do exactly what you did. And I was like, huh? Oh, so you went in and then they gave you come back in and here's some notes to... Yeah, but like from the agent side and stuff. And so, so Connolly was like, forget it and just come in and do what you did. So I was like, well, I'm going to listen to him.

And so went in, he was so gracious. And I think like at that point, Connolly had really decided like, I want her. Yeah. like I want her. Yeah. And then there was like a two week, like of nothing, like radio silence. Were you able to forget about it? No.

Because I always had a hard time, all right, we did it, let's move on because you're gonna wait and it's torturous. It was so torturous. And then like, eventually I think I just got it out of my head because I was like, well, this isn't happening. And I remember I was at the airport, I think like flying to Vail or something.

And I remember I on the, you know, in the airport bathrooms, the toilet, it says Sloan. Yeah, I think I was like, this is a Sloan. Can't believe you just said that because that's so weird. I swear to God, I think about that every time I'm at a a urinal, because it says it like right in front of your eyes. It says Sloan in big lettering. It's so true. It's so, I can't believe, I swear to you, Em, I've had that exact, I'm like, this is weird that that popped into my head.

That's weird, but how can it not? You're just like, yeah. So that was your sign? So that was my sign. That's hysterical. Get back from Vail and then like in the last hour, I actually don't know if you remember this, but do you remember in like the last hour before I guess they made the call that I was going to get the part, Rachel Lee Cook was in the running.

I did not know that. I did not know Rachel. Really? Yeah. And it was like the final two basically. Yeah. Yeah. So you were like the final two, basically, right? Yeah. So you beat out Rachel and you cooked. And then like somehow or other, it like swung my way.

And when I got the offer, it was like, it was like, this is such a full circle moment. It was like, let's just say it was a Thursday night in LA. Where'd you go? I'm on the phone with my girlfriend, with Jenna. Yeah. And I'm like, hey girl, so what are we doing? We're gonna go to the club, you know, beep, call waiting. Hold on, jump one second, hello?

Emmanuel, this is Kevin Connolly. I'm like, hi? This could be about the part or clubs, by the way. This could be about either. He's like, look, I just wanted to let you know that you got the part. He made the call. He made the call. That's cool.

And of course, then that night we went out clubbing. Did you see it? Did you meet him out? Yes. So the next question was like, you got the part, and where are you going to be later? Let's hang out. Is that like, so he was, so this is season two, right? Season two, yeah.

And he had a big part of influence in just like, cause he was your, you were his love interest, obviously. Yeah. I mean, to my understanding, you could attest to this. I guess this would be a Doug question, but apparently as the story goes, there were like a few girls before I came in. And for whatever reasons, it just didn't gel in that way.

And I was lucky. And yeah, like at least my, by the way, I think it might be the only time I ever read with love interests, season five or whatever it was. Did you have a love interest in season? Oh, Ronda Rousey was in the movie. He had a good one. By the way, you could argue I had, I mean, I have to rewind.

I have to binge entourage. I watched it when you guys were shooting it. And I saw the movie the other day. I'm like, I got to watch the movie. And I was making for my recollection, you know, Doug and Lev and everyone, of course, like they would hear your input. But at the end of the day, Doug and Lev are still making that call. And even if Connelly was like, please, God, it has to be her. If they really had a feeling on something else,

they would do what they needed to do. So I'm sure Connelly fought the fight. I don't think it was a hard fight, to be honest. I think everyone was on board and it- Well, yeah, and you'd like to see a good plan go right. It was certainly- So good. I'm so grateful. It was so good. At what time, like, I don't know for you, cause I remember it was around season two. Like when you get this weird thing happened, I tried to explain to people with entourage, right? Season one, like people watched, I got a lot of critical stuff, but it wasn't some big giant hit season two. It started against me, but then this little thing called HBO on demand comes out and like Tivo generation kids out there. That's the Tivo remote. When we went off the

air, I think after season two and all like the college kids went back to school in August, it started to, I think it was the number one watched show on HBO On Demand when they started tracking that stuff. So we got more popular in our off season than we were on the air. So when we came back for season three, that's when it was like everywhere, it was turtle. And I was gonna ask you, like at what point do you remember a time when, first of all,

was it different for you? Do people shout like Sloan? Or is it a little different for you? Cause with me it was in in those years it was, turtle, come smoke a joint. They were obsessed with you. I mean, that's real. They still are.

I mean, they still are. This morning, oh my God, this morning, I was getting a smoothie from Earth Bar, and I'm like walking to my car, and this random guy comes up to me, and he's like, excuse me, excuse me, Emmanuel? I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh, I just gotta tell you, I'm such a fan.

I'm such a fan of Sloan, I love the show. I'm like busted after Pilates. He's like, do you think we could take a picture? And I'm like, oh wow, dude, really? This is his one opportunity. But he was like relentless. And I was like, all right, yeah, come on. And he was going on and on. And he's like, no, I've made my kids watch it.

He's like, it has transcended generations at this point. It's wild. We were talking about that the other day because we were we're having dinner with Matt's son and like some of his friends, they're 18 and I don't think they've watched yet. Maybe they will. But some of Bree's cousins who are all in their early 20s go to OSU in Ohio and it's a big, you know, huge population of kids. They're in fraternities and sororities and I get FaceTimes every week and she

will hand the phone to the frat boys and it's and, and all I, I get a lot of like turtle and then I get a lot of like, dude, could you just please tell Sloan, I love her, please. Could we FaceTime her? There's like, oh yeah, could we FaceTime? I'm like, first of all, no, that is never happening in a million years. It's so funny.

So there's like this whole new generation of like 18, 19, 20 year olds where like, but like Sloan is like their girl. Sorry to tell you, but that was a really long time ago. Why do you think Sloan has, I mean, obviously you're beautiful and you played that character perfectly, but why do you think Sloan has resonated? I have a few takes on this. And by the way, the minute my son watches that, because he'll just love that show,

he's an athlete, he'll just love the whole premise. It'll resonate again with him and his boys. Why do you think Sloan has just resonated all these years? I mean, you know, I would love to hear what you have to say about this, Jer. I have some takes on specifically Sloan. I think that, you would agree, I think that Doug was so protective of that character. Very. Like

very. And so she really was, like I joke about this, like I would be like, Doug, who is this unflappable woman, first of all? And I think that's like half the dream. Yes. Like this this woman who's like not a ball buster. Right. She's like independent, you know, she's got her own job, her own shit going on. And comes from Like this woman who's like not a ball buster. Right. She's like independent. You know, she's. Got her own job, her own shit going on. Totally, and comes from Hollywood royalty. But is not in Hollywood necessarily.

But even in Hollywood, she's like a philanthropist. Always looking like on point. All, yes. Like all the time. Yes, that's correct. And like to a lot of guys, they're like, well that's my dream after all. Yeah, they're like, well, that's my dream. Exactly.

Right? Like someone who's going to leave me alone and be supportive and like da da da. And I'm like, okay. Ready for my take? Yeah. All that is true. A hundred percent and protected. But also what you, you brought, I think that's a hard thing to pull off acting wise.

Right? Cause like, you have to find still a way to like ground the character and make it believable. Cause all those things you said, it's like, are there really people like that who bring all that perfectly? But here's what I think you represented to a lot of young, young men, early twenties and mid twenties. The E character always had that juxtaposition of like, I love running around with my boys and there's like excess in every department, but I have this like unbelievable person who's not saying like, don't go do that stuff,

but like at some point you're gonna have to grow up, right? You never quite said it. Maybe you had a line or two here or there. I think you represented the like, not high school sweetheart, but go from boy to man, like go have a real relationship with the real woman and get out of that. I think, cause I think a lot of guys go through that. They have someone in their life that means a lot, but maybe they're not quite ready to go in. Right. And you represented like the, yes, like if you're ever going to be ready, this is the time to be ready.

Right. And I think that was so cool about Sloan and E's journey. It was really to me about two people trying to figure out if they're ready for all the things that we all kind of society thinks you should be ready for by a certain point in time. And it was so, how deep did I just get? No, that was on point by the way. But I think you're right. I think that you're really right. Cause people were really invested in like, are they or aren't they? Are they going to work this out? Are they going to get their shit together?

Are they going to do this? And also not for nothing, but like going back to the sort of heightened reality. I mean, after he sleeps with Melinda. I was a part of the writing of that episode. I remember when, yeah, he sleeps with her stepmother. Stepmother. You motherfucker. That's like unforgivable.

So like in real life, that'd be like a giant fuck you. And like no never. And still And like, no, never. And still somehow, they worked it out. If you read that episode, are you just like kind of laughing at yourself? You're like, oh my gosh, really? I was gutted actually. Were you?

Because you know what happens? This is what happened, and I know you can relate. When you're playing a part, especially over a long period of time, you know, you're emotionally connected to the character. So there's moments like you don't, you barely even think about it anymore. It's just knee jerk.

And so when I read that episode, like I was just like, no. Like I'm so heartbroken. Like what an idiot. What ruined it was going down. Why is he doing this? And I was like really. That's good, cause that's like an audience reaction. Yeah.

That's an audience reaction. For sure. But yeah, you know, you become like emotionally invested and I was very disappointed in E. Emmanuel was very disappointed in E. I think a lot of people were. E, you were looking right at you, for someone who had it all together. Yeah, you dumb idiot. What the fuck were you doing?

We were talking about this the other day, and this is a good parallel to how the E Sloan romance, where there was real courting in the beginning, right? And it was a different generation. And I kind of feel like courting is gone. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, apologizing to the kids out there. By kids, I mean young adults. I I kind of feel like courting is gone.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Apologizing to the kids out there. By kids, I mean young adults. DMs and Snapchats. Yeah, it was pre-social media. We were talking about the texting stuff. And when were we even texting? And if you go back to like, oh, four,

we did this social thing. How did you guys plan for your night out? It's like, well, first we call people to figure out who's designated driver. Then you gotta figure out where we go. It's a new place, you gotta figure out where it is and how you get there. But how many texts did you send to people in 2005?

What, 10 a day, maybe five? Right, and now it's nothing like that. So I do feel like there was courting with the E Sloan thing. I don't know if I could survive in today's day as a single individual. Not that like, I don't, I think it's actually kind of cool in some ways, but I just don't know. I'm too old school.

I think I'm just too traditional too. Like meeting somebody online, like it's about vibe. Like you meet somebody and even if initially you don't find them attractive, like they could be so charismatic and so hilarious that suddenly you're like, wait, you're hot. Like I didn't think so from your picture. That's right, you lose the unexpected.

Like, oh, you got a thing that's gone. The vibe. If anything, it's the opposite. You think there's a thing and then you meet in real life and it's like, oh, you're not anything like that. The first, when I met my wife in Santa Monica at a Memorial Day party and I was courting her, I was persistent.

I was like, this is the one, this is the one. And she always says, so I called her and I left her a voicemail. We've talked about voicemail. I kind of haven't heard that. It's like, hey, it's Matt. Voicemail, so I left her a voicemail and I just said, hey, it's Matt.

I would love to take you out instead of texting. And she responded like a week later, so she left me hanging a little bit. But she said the reason why she called me back, she was like, oh, he called me and took the time to at least just want to talk. The first time we spoke, I kid not, we talked for like two and a half hours on the phone.

The hours on the phone. I did, that's what sticks out. It was like, I put my time in, but it was like, there was not a dull moment. And then we went to our first, remember the Belmont? Of course. So that was our first date. Belmont was my spot.

That was our first date. Really? Yeah. I've had first dates. I've had a lot of terrible first dates. So it was actually, it was the Heat Spurs. La Cienega, right? Yeah. She's from Miami.

So we were watching the game, but that was after like four or five hours on the phone. It's like my- And you have that moment of like, oh my God, it's been five hours. I know. I was like, what the hell? Yeah, you're all giddy and stuff.

So I was telling Jerry, my oldest is 18 and my brother probably like a year ago was kind of like busting his balls about like a girl, like, hey, like, so did you get her number? He was like, oh, I like this girl. He's like, did you get her number? And he goes, what do you mean? My oldest, this is like, he's like, what do you mean?

My brother's like, what the fuck you would have mean? Like, did you ask her for her number to like take her on a date? He's like, oh, no, no, no, we just are like Snapchatting. I got our QR code. I got our QR code. But it is this generation. Like they don't know. It's it's kind of sad because we're all probably more old school traditional. Yeah. And also because we have really good like, let me preface by saying, of course, there's good. Yeah.

Yeah. Obviously. Right. Yeah. Yeah, we're not hating. Obviously, right? But I definitely look back to the good old times and I feel so lucky that we had those because I feel sorry for very young people coming up, like even kids, like it's like, could you get off your fucking phones and your this and your that, like go outside and play. Like busy, like do something.

And it's, we just didn't have that. We just didn't. Does it make you feel like, it's like, sorry. No, go ahead. I almost forget what that was like though, because again, I have four kids, so I'm like, I see my oldest on his phone. Like we, our little ones have the iPad every once in a while. But it's like, God, like my parents were saints.

Cause it's like, we never had this shit. And they were the same thing. Go play outside. Go get dirty, do whatever you want. And then be back by dinner time. I was like, those days are awesome. I know. Some of the things that my friends that I miss

and it would be whether it's sports or even like a movie debate like Oh, yeah, do you remember? De Niro and that movie's like wait De Niro wasn't in that movie. Yes. He was no he was and you would debate it for three days Until so like till someone's uncle showed up or you can look it up Somewhere and it was like no De Niro wasn't that movie We've lost all like with with sports arguments, forget it. We used to be able to argue sports stuff for days, look on base and now it's settled within five seconds.

No, that's incorrect. Unreal, I know. It's at your fingertips for better or worse. And look, the generation now will probably be here 20 years from now saying, will you guys stop with the virtual dating in your goggles and go out there and text someone? That's what they're gonna be arguing.

In my day, we used to text people witty things and you guys just blinking your eyes at each other in some goggles. That's gonna be their thing. Well, the robots, I mean, it's gonna be all AI. Would you stop with the robots and go meet some real people? That's gonna be their thing. No, it's real, it's happening.

It's happening, it freaks me out. Yeah, it's crazy. When Dylan and Connelly were here, they came on, it was so awesome for me. Because I watched these three dudes just- She knows the banter. Yeah, the banter, you can imagine. Actually, it'd be great to have you on that.

It was so fun to sit back and watch. We talked a lot about the cameos, and obviously there were a lot about the cameos and like obviously there were a lot of athlete cameos. Yeah. Did you have a favorite cameo? Oh yeah. Who are some of your favorite ones?

I'm wondering yours, because like I feel like I've never heard yours. Oh really? Yeah, I don't think we've ever discussed this. We actually did a, on victory we talked about this. Do you remember that? Come on. Doug Allen, plus his heart, he would like have his video camera and like be in your face.

Yeah. Like this type of video camera? Literally, he would be or like on your phone. Yeah. But recording moments. He's so cute. It was like a like a crowd dad. Yeah. He's so cute. It was like a proud dad. He documented a lot of it. So it was when we had LeBron James and Matt Damon.

Oh boy. I was dead. I wasn't in that scene. I came to set just to hang. You were in, yeah. It was at the airport. I mean, I was dying. Like I was dying.

And so Doug is with his camera. He's like, hey, how's it going? Are you happy? And I was like, Doug. Are you dying of both or Matt Damon or just probably? I mean, both. Both, yeah. Like for sure both.

I mean, Matt Damon because it's just like, like a total movie star. And then LeBron James, cause it was LeBron James. And it was like young LeBron. It was, this isBron James. He was young at that time. It was young LeBron. Yes. This is like, oh seven maybe? Oh six, oh seven, so. Yeah.

Was he 24? It's like the height of LeBron James era. And I remember too, it was so cool because my nephew was having his bar mitzvah and I got LeBron James to record a video you did I did and I was just like And of this I'm gonna say he doesn't do that for me. I feel like if I go to my apron my nephew It's that is a birthday. Can you do a video? Yeah? I'm good. I'm good. Well, did you have I always wanted to ask you this too?

Cuz for whatever reason the show and I and I didn't even ask Matt, the show really struck with athletes, and I think I finally figured out maybe why, and I'll tell you guys that, but it got to a point where you remember in our height, from season five on, where we had a lot of set visitors. But it was such a, we'd literally be shooting a scene, and then you'd go, where the monitors were,

where Doug and all the director would be and you're like is that Kevin Durant? Why is it Kevin Durant? And there would be some- Tons of people. They would just come by right? Did you ever look around and be like why are all these athletes here? There was- I never- It was like every day. Every day. Yeah. I just I don't know that I ever was just like why are they here? But I just kind of came to expect it. And if it wasn't athletes, it would be like by the monitor, 15 random people. It was like a live studio audience.

Literally, that were just like so excited to be on that set. And I think it just, it struck the cool cord. Like it was the coolest thing ever. It really was. You want my pitch of why I think it struck, I've thought about this for years because I've had athletes, you know, I'm a sports junkie and I've had athletes who I've really admired and just come up to me,

I'm weirded out by how excited they are to talk and they tell me what the show meant to them. I'm like, God, did we really mean things to people? And here's what I came up with. Where it's like, it's stuck with actors, but maybe it's cause it was Hollywood and there was always this, but a lot of young athletes,

you kind of know at a young age that they're going somewhere. They're gonna make it, they're gonna make a lot of money, they're gonna have this crazy life. And people latch onto that, friends, family members, acquaintances, so the entourage, so to speak, of people around you that you trust, I think it hits them at a younger age.

Because actors, you don't know, you can't look at a a 17 year old, maybe Timothy Shamil excluded. You can't be like, oh, you're going to be fucking De Niro. It's so obvious. Like, get your ducks in a row now. But I feel like for young athletes, that's very, very apparent. And then they watch entourage and they're like,

oh, those guys like took care of one another. There's like that direct. Yes. So it's like a lifestyle. That's my take on why I came up to you, right? Yeah, this player, Zion Williamson, who, you know, he's got a lot of ups and downs, unbelievable player,

number one pick. And the media always gets on about like weight issues and he's heard a lot or whatever. And I'm at a Knicks game and games over walking out and he didn't play. He played that. And I feel this pat on my shoulder. I'm at a Knicks game and games over walking out and he didn't play he played that and I feel this pat on my shoulder I'm like ow and I turn around it's he's massive right Zion

Williamson I'm like and he just comes up quiet kid he's like I just want to say man I saw Entourage last year when I was injured I couldn't play I was laid up for like months and that show got me through and I took that moment I said I was I was like, well, why? Like, what was the thing that you like? And he's like, man, just your loyalty, your friendship is like, you just, we all need people in our lives like that. And I, I didn't like feel bad for him. I was like, Oh wow. You might, maybe he had some people in his life who weren't. So that's how I kind of got to that conclusion. I think that you're right. But also too, you know, it's funny because,

like, for sure Entourage spoke to the sports world. Like even as a woman on the show, like at the height of Entourage, I mean, I presented at the Emmys and the NFL Honors like a bunch of times. NFL Honors. You probably had a bunch of times. NFL honors. You probably had a big cheer when you walked out. I mean, the sports people just loved the show.

Like it was wild. And then I did, I don't know if you remember this, I did a, it was a beer commercial, but it was during the basketball. Yeah, yeah, I think it aired during like the NBA or March madness was it, or NBA finals. I remember. I was wearing. Kobe's number.

Yes. I remember this. It was like a big deal. It's a huge deal. But it was that thing. It was that like in the sport, like suddenly I had this like, and I'm not, sorry guys. By the way, did you see how I weaved sports into the show? Did you see how I did?

Jerry did say, I don't think, she's not a big sports girl. I know like Canadian, we're not gonna talk hockey. I'm sure she doesn't care about hockey either. We'll leave that for Colin. Watch how I expertly weave in sports here. LeBron, we got a LeBron. Well, here's how else I was gonna weave in sports. You ready?

So we interviewed this pro golfer, Justin Thomas, who is one of my favorite golfers. I was like smitten for the whole interview. And then he mentioned at the end, you know, he loved Entourage and stuff like that, but he also has a cameo in Happy Gilmore 2, which is coming out in like June, I can't remember. And it brought me to thinking,

I always wanted to be in a Sandler movie. I wanna play Pick Up Hoops with Adam Sandler. And I remember when Emmanuel got the Sandler movie, Zohan, and what it meant that, and we were all just like, wow. We couldn't be happier, fucking huge movie. And correct me if I'm wrong, though, like the story of how you got,

it wasn't like a typical, hey, come in for an audition, right? I think I remember this, of how you got it wasn't like a typical hey come in for an audition right I think I remember this but can you tell it yeah I got I just it's these weird things that happen like nothing's ever it's never easy yeah it's easy. One plus one equals two not at all. I had a general with Heather Perry Heather Perry. At the time was running you know Sandler's company Happy Madison and it was just a general, and during the general, we're talking, we're talking,

and she's texting Jack Gerapputo, which was- During the meeting, though. During the meeting. Were you like, why are you texting? We're supposed to be, oh, you didn't really care. I don't really, I'm just like- Wasn't a Johnny drama situation. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So I was like, whatever, you know, whatever. And then, so the meeting is that, and she's like, hey, listen, before you leave, do you want to come and meet the director of the movie that we're doing and maybe say hi to Sandler? And I was like, it's a good invite. Sure. Imagine if you're like, nah, bro, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Maybe next time.

I was like, yeah, sure. So I met the director and Dennis Dugan, he's the best. Another sports junkie. Oh my God, sports thing. I threw out the first pitch. Oh, we're going to get to that. Wait, save it. We're going after that.

But go ahead. And that's thanks to Dugan. That's where we're going after that. So I meet Dennis and he's like, he's like, great. So when can you audition and I was like And I was shooting a film in Vancouver at the time and so and I knew like this part I needed an accent You don't have fast that so I'm like like, you know in like Like which is pretty ballsy like, you know, in like 10 days.

Which is pretty ballsy. You told the director 10 days. Yeah, I was like, give me like nine days. I need time. Yeah, good for you. You advocate for yourself. He's like, okay, I like it. So I do this audition, he sent the tape and then, you know, it followed up with a callback

and it was great. And of course, unbeknownst to me, and of course, thank on to Roger yet again, you know, the again, as the story goes, Salma Hayek was supposed to do that role. And she got pregnant and had to drop out. And so Sandler was asking around because, you know, it's to play his love interest. And historically, you know, we're talking Drew Barrymore and like whatever, Janice, I mean, that's always very like a thing. Yeah, it's like a launch.

The thing. So he was asking around town of like, help, I need someone like I town of like, help, I need someone. Like I want to is like, Oh, and getting recon on you. Yes. Ah, on me. Like, can I hold my own? Like, can I go toe to toe with Sandler? He himself?

Wow. I did not know this part of the story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously found that out after. Yes. Yes.

OK. It's incredible. And yes, we'd asked around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You obviously found that out after. Yes. Okay. That is incredible. And yeah, so he'd asked around. And then again, so I have to go back to shoot this movie in Vancouver. And one day in my hotel room, like I'm about to leave to set,

and the phone rings, hello? Like, hi, I have Adam Sandler for you. I'm like, what is happening? So you- It's like a fake call, you're like, bullshit. Yeah, I'm like, what is happening? So he's like a fake call. You're like, bullshit. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. And he's like, hey, Shrekey Sandler, how you doing? He called you Shrekey.

Yeah. And he's like, so I got some really good news. This is gonna be really fun. And I'm like, so wait, did I get it? Like, is this happening? And it was, you know, that. And it was the most epic experience. Epic.

That is so sick. That's gotta be similar to stuff you went through, like when you get drafted into the pros, it's like people are just doing recon on you. They're asking everybody, right? Aren't they not being like, kid liner? I had a lot of recon on me though. I used to, so I told Jerryliner? Had a lot of recon on me though. So I told Jerry this.

Not a lot of great recon. When I was, so I had, I don't know, I went to USC during that height. So we were very much, it's really what brought this show together. Kind of living the Hollywood life. We were treated like a professional team. I ran into Connelly a bunch back in the day.

Yeah. But they, so when I was in a draft meeting with the New Orleans Saints, and this is a true story of Sean Payton at the time, and they were drafting number two and they ended up drafting Reggie Bush. I don't know if you know that name, but he was my teammate. And they were grilling me.

So like, I'll probably a lot like an audition. There's just a lot of pressure. You have people looking at you, but this is like, you know, a lot like an audition. There's just a lot of pressure. You have people looking at you, but this is like in every direction, you know, millions of dollars is an investment they're about to do. And he goes, so like, he just brings up entourage. So like, like I hear you have an entourage,

all this stuff and blah, blah, blah. And people, my teammates used to call me Vinny Chase. They call him Vinny Chase. I would be on a play, a play in practice, a true story, in this middle linebacker, Monty Beisel, I'll never forget, he'd go, Vinny Chase coming up, let's go Vinny Chase. Yeah, because I was sort of,

I had this perception of just, I had my boys and we kind of grew up and grew up in Hollywood and that kind of stuff. But yeah, I would get grilled about like, having my own personal entourage. And there were references of the show and I'm like, gosh, I love football. I was like, I was trying to escape the narrative.

Where's your turtles, Matt? Where's Lionel? Where's turtles? Turtles here? I used to always say, I had like my own version of my turtle. I used to always say that. So it's so funny now.

I know. Well, that's something I get. You didn't get, like, but I would always get people come up to me and be like, I'm the turtle in't get like but I would always get people come up to me being like I'm the turtle in my friend group. I'm like cool, but every now and then I get the guy comes up like yeah We got our boy. We're just like you guys. I'm Vince. I'm like Yeah, you Yeah, I have so it's tough Vince man. Okay. All right Vince. All right

We were so my wife and, we did our honeymoon in Italy and it was when Sandler was shooting the movie with Anderson, I think. The Murder Mystery or whatever. Yeah, I love all those movies. I love the soccer for anything Sandler. I had a brief cameo in a Sandler movie. That's right.

Both of you have worked with Sandler. I'm the only one on this panel that has not worked with Sandler. And I was doing like a little research, like, should I ask her? I know you were at the House Bunny premiere. Do you remember that? Yes.

So I did a little small cameo. Cameo in House Bunny. Oh my god. The only reason why I say that is because my Sandler, that was like a, and we shot the scene at the Playboy mansion. Right. It was actually pretty, actually a crazy thing. Josh Richman was there, by the way.

Of course. I'm not surprised. Josh, we love you. So that's how I met Heather and all them. Anyway, I've actually a really funny story of that. But fast forward to our honeymoon in 2018. And we're in Lake Como and we're in the pool. And in comes Sandler and his girls, his two daughters.

And I was like, and then he's like a big sports guy. So it was just like, what's up? We were kind of catching up and in typical Sandler fashion, no board shorts, baggy ass, he is swimming, I swear, I asked my wife this, he is swimming laps in this Lake Como pool, it's beautiful, in his baggy ass basketball, with goggles on.

And I swear, and his girls are in the jacuzzi. I don't know if his wife was there, but it was like, I'm like, I actually asked him, I said, bro, I was like, what are you doing? He's literally swimming last, people are kind of saying hi, they're kind of looking at him. Like, is that, it was the funniest shit I've ever seen. But I think it's like typical him.

He just doesn't, he's so like normal like that. He just like, yeah. It's like wild, like it's weird. It is weird. Right, like to be him, so beloved, so respected, and like so normal, it's wild. It's just like, it was like the underwear with basketball shorts swimming.

He was probably playing hoops right before taking a dip. Is this what's happening. My wife and I were dying. We were like, this guy just does not care. We were so happy for you. Oh my god, you're so sweet babe. You know, it was a good time. Just even hearing those two stories,

like I gotta imagine too, and I've never really been on that end. I've made some good news calls to some people, but not at that scale. It's gotta be cool to make that call. Like just know, all right, we're gonna call Manuel. I know. And tell her she got the gig. Like it's gotta be cool to make that call. Like just know, all right, we're gonna call Manuel and tell her she got the gig. Like that's gotta be.

It's like momentous. Everybody's aware that this is a big moment. And this sets are fun, right? I know you guys had a lot of work and it was not an easy movie to shoot, but it was probably a lot of fun, right? Yeah. How do you, so you were shooting a movie at the time.

So how do you, when you got that call from Sandler, you were still shooting a movie? Oh yeah, so I, and I was like rapping. You were finishing up. But you're just like, I'm now your focus on this, during that, that's gotta be like crazy. It was just, we'll lose the anticipation of it, you know? And it's like, it's so crazy because like,

you always, as an actor, you just, like the dream is to know what your next gig is. Even if you're working, right? It's like one in the can, what's next? And like, I don't even think at the time, you never realize in the moment. I didn't realize then that that was gonna be an absolute highlight of my career. Like didn't know it. Didn't know it during entourage either. You can't, you need time to go by to see it.

You process and people's reactions and stuff happens like over time, it's so wild. What is the best advice, cause you just said how different it is. It's so proud, What is the best advice? Cause you just said how different it is. It's so true, I don't even know if I could give full advice. What is your advice to aspiring actor and actresses? And just like... It's hard.

It's so hard. My heart sinks a little bit every time. Like a young person is like, you know, I wanna be an actor. I wanna get into the business. And I'm like, do you know? The ship is sinking. Like it's so, like it's always been difficult. And I would say it's 10 times more difficult now.

Well, it's the rejection, right? But then what else? Just get the rejection. Yeah, we get used to that. Yeah, that you have second skin, whatever. No, it is like, it's just not the same anymore. It's so competitive, like because it's a different game. You know, whether streaming,

you've heard this a thousand times. It's changed the game. And your social media followers. Right now we're still dealing with the, the fallout of COVID, of the strike. Of- The fires now. The fires of people losing money, of like, whatever.

It's one shit storm after another. And like, you just you feel it. It's, it's, it's undeniable to not feel it. Like literally, unless you're the point 1% that like, no matter what, you know, can't be that lucky in the moment, but it's really hard. So it's like, I would say, yeah, of course perseverance and have a team that's passionate about you and is gonna think outside the box. I would say like, that's the best piece of advice I could give. If you weren't an actress, what would you do?

Have you ever even allowed yourself to think? I don't know. I don't even know if I- I have. Oh, okay. No, I have because I think like I kind of walk the line. I tell the line sort of like both ways. I honestly think that I would be like a full social justice warrior. Yes.

If I wasn't an actor. You'd be tremendous. I mean, like it's kind of something that I do anyway. Yeah. And I feel like one feeds the other. And I feel like one feeds the other. So like the more success that I can achieve, the more that helps the other, you know. You know.

So, but I mean, other than that, I mean, listen, my dream is to retire one day and have like a bookshop, flower shop, coffee shop. Where? Would you be here still? No. No, you'd be somewhere remote. I'd be like in like Greece or like somewhere in the Mediterranean.

That sounds nice. What would your flower bookshop be called? Don't say Sloan's. No, it would probably be called- They're named after urinals, don't say Sloan's. It would be called, I think it would be called Yellow Ray Books. Okay, you don't have to give the meaning if you don't want.

You tapped onto something interesting too, because this isn't even advice I would give to a younger person. This is advice I give to myself. And this goes for acting, but this goes for everything. I, whether you like it or not, I don't know why I keep looking dead into the camera. Like I'm talking to you.

By the way, this is, just get serious. Whether you like it or not, you can't, it's really hard to be one thing, meaning like, if you're putting all your like, I want to be an actor and that's it, which is a legitimate thing. That's what you used to do. You pick what you want to do and you go for it. Yeah. Yet you have to write a little or you have to direct a little or you have to be good. Right. And the good thing about now,

not maybe necessarily for us, cause we're more, we're the actors or used to like the big meeting at the restaurant. You have an amazing device in your hands, which is a blessing and a curse. But one of the blessings is you have film like quality in your hands. My biggest gripe with acting always used to be,

you can't wake up tomorrow and say, I want to act tomorrow. We didn't have to shape, square in the park. What are you going to go do? But now you are armed with cheap equipment and you can go make something tomorrow. Might not be good, but you can go make something. And that's what I would tell anyone. That's like the good thing about sports is like,

even if things aren't going well, you can still wake up and do your work and get it in and get better. Even if it's in the mental. Is there less auditioning now because of that? I think so, right? Oh my God. Yeah. For sure?

Yeah. A million percent. Yeah, like that whole process has changed? Completely. I mean, and it's been like this gradual evolution, but like I remember coming to LA and this was when you were like, am I a film actor or a TV actor?

You can't do both. If you're TV, you're in TV for life. That's it. And I came and in like the first, I don't know, six, seven years of being in LA, I was like movies only. Yeah. And you did some pretty, you got off to a quick start in LA. I did like movies only. Yeah. And you did some pretty, but you got off to a quick start in LA.

I did a lot of Indies and I did like fun things. But you were working. I was working. And then like, and then it evolved to like cable television. And then of course there was the hot ticket, you know, being on HBO, which was also a blessing and a curse because after being on HBO, you're like a snob for a second and you're like, I want network.

Like, huh? But then you have to take the humble pill and you're like, no, work is work. And network TV pays a lot more. And of course, and then you're watching massive movie stars doing television now. And so the competition, it's just not the same. Like that used to be my golden ticket a few years ago,

whereas now it's like, you know, I'm auditioning for shit that five years ago would be a straight offer. Yeah, right. It's humbling. Well, they went with Kate Winslet. Yeah. Oh, Kate Winslet's doing this one. It is crazy. They gotta be up against Kate Winslet. Yeah. Kate Winslet's doing this one. It is crazy.

They're going to be up against Kate Winslet. It is crazy to see like all of these like, I mean, mega superstar actors doing like all these streaming shows. It's just, it is. It's so different as a fan just watching. Like it's like Julia Roberts is doing that show. It's just like a strange. Nicole Kimmins is like crushing all of those shows. It's just like a strange. Yeah, it's a whole Kim. Yeah, Nicole Kim is like crushing all of those.

Like one after another. I know. And they're good. They're good. Yes. Well, do you know who is currently shooting a movie? I don't know if you've heard about this. I heard this yesterday from Connolly and kind of broke my brain. Currently in Bulgaria.

Oh, I know this. Listen, in Bulgaria, Kevin Dillon, who is unavailable to do the victory podcast, because he's shooting a movie. Kevin Dylan will work with until it's the cast reads as Kevin Dylan opposite Seth Green. Yes. Now, if you are an Entourage fan, you know that as a pairing. Wow. That means something to you. Wait, so Jare...

I was blown away when I heard this. I was in self-help like, he shouldn't have did it. Fuck Seth Green. Should have passed on that movie. Don't do no movie with Seth Green. Fuck him. Oh my God. I died.

So I was very recently in Israel and I just got back. And while I was in Israel, I get a text... No, Seth Green texts me and he's like, hi from Bulgaria. I'm with Kevin Dillon. Oh my God. And then he says, and then he, and then he texts me and he goes, he goes, Kevin says, you know, tell Sloan I said, what's up? And I was, and then I was like, wait, is he being serious? It's real. It's happening. Kevin Dillon, Seth Green coming to us. Yeah, streamer probably near you. Fantastic. Well, there's a

great victory podcast episode with you, Connelly, Seth and Doug. Yeah. So if you want to get your like Seth Green fix, which it's a great episode, go listen to it. But I always say to, I always have the line, like for me, the Tom Brady sucks balls is the line that I hear the most, the most, right? I feel for you has to be, is it like, what up? Like, do you get like, is it the Seth Green shit or no?

Always. So slow and I said, what up? Always. And you're like, seriously, that's, do you think you're the first? And Seth to his credit, he's always leaned into it. Anytime I see him, he always makes me take a picture. I know. He makes me look like I'm about to punch him.

He's always leaned into it. He does, he's such a good sport. Yeah. Because he also knows. He's got a sense of humor too. Yeah, he has the best sense of humor, but he also knows, he's like some fans go crazy for this stuff like when I for that episode we did a picture of um, I was in the middle of Seth and and he I

Mean that stuff went viral. Of course, like it was hilarious. I was like, wow, they are still Chomping at the bit for that Jerry always said, when we had the guys on, he has this whole thing where everybody is now, right? Oh, like if the reboot happens. Like Turtle, like what was it? The tequila thing was the movie? Turtle is lost his money in a crypto scam, but he bought some Bitcoin on a drunken night out,

but can't remember his key phrase to get in. So he's locked out of it. And you only get like five attempts, and you're like locked out forever. So he has one attempt left. So his storyline is we gotta figure out my one attempt, because I have like $18 million in Bitcoin, and I can't remember the code.

That's my pitch for Turtle. Wait, that's great. Johnny Dram is getting replaced by AI. He's fighting the fight. Oh replacing him with AI We didn't do we didn't do so. Yeah, I guess do you have it where where do you think if you could just use your imagination? Where do you think Sloan is right now? If we're calling in the Warriors, we're rounding up the crew for a reboot. First blush, where do you think Sloan's at? I mean, that would be the best.

I'm trying to, I told the guys, I'm like, can we just not get it? Connelly's like, eh, it's not that easy though. I'm like, I'm sure it's not. It's not. It's not. But you know what's crazy is that like, we, like, you know, a lot of shows get redone. Oh yeah. But it's like not with the original cast.

We could still do it. The original cast. Maybe we have to throw in a couple of youngins, like a couple of up and coming TikTokers, YouTubers, maybe. Sprinkle that in, but we could still do it. Jerry's like, I don't know if we could do a reboot. Well, I guess here's if we could do a reboot. Well, I guess here's the real question. In your heart of hearts, are E and Sloan together right now?

I think yes. Okay, you have a baby, so you're together in some form. I think we probably have more than one baby. I think we're like New York based. Oh, back to the East Coast. I think we're back to the East Coast. New York based, multiple babies. Yeah, multiple babies. Sloan is probably running some company. But what would the good conflict be? Maybe after all this time,

Sloan starts to have the eye for someone else. Not in the group. Oh, you're talking about just in general? No, not not weird. Here she finally breaks Connie's heart. Or like we have to like work. It's like a nuclear family now we have to yes. And like he's got maybe he has a kid too. Is it like all the things like forever. Just gave me the goosebumps.

Remember, remember the end of the movie. It was like one of my favorite movies, Aniston and Vince Vaughn. Oh, the breakup. The breakup. One of the realist breakup movies. It was like, I was so sad. And then they run into each other in Chicago on the street,

but they never get back together. And it was like that. That's what I'm envisioning. You're like, it's like a really sad, but like it's like amicable, but it's like, just not in love with you anymore. Right, right. We're writing it right now.

I have there all the times. Well, I'm gonna cry now. And I guess we could maybe start to wrap up with this. I don't know if you remember this Last shot in the history of entourage is we're at the airport and I think where it's me Dylan Connelly, maybe the dog. I'm not quite sure we're in the Lincoln Adrian we're like pulling up and we pull in and like Scott Khan's character rolls up and the manuals off to the side

She's waiting by her plane. So they call series rap, which is, I'm not trying to make anyone cry. But in the whole time, I remember, you know it's your last day and joking around like, who's going to cry? Now I'm a crier, bro. Full disclosure. I am a crier. I'm not afraid to cry. I'm emotional, dude, as, full disclosure. Me too, yeah. I am a crier. I'm not afraid to cry.

I'm emotional, dude, as you've gotten to learn about me. And I love that about you, Jeff. I'm like, no, I'ma hold it together. I'ma hold it together. Let it fly. We do the last shot. Gary goes, all right, it's a series. And they start going one by one by the cast series,

Rap On, Kevendale, all this stuff. And they bring out the cake and I'm holding it together. And then I take one look at Emanuel, we lock eyes. She has like one little, it's forming and I just. I fucking, I like was tremble. I was trembling and it was you. We locked eyes and I was cool. And I saw you and I just fucking bawled.

I still remember. That was such and I just fucking bawled. I still remember. That was such. I'll never forget that. I know. I'll never forget that. But it was you. Me too. No one else, of course, insensitive other dudes

on the show are like, it's happy it's over. No one said it happy it's over. I'm sure everybody, but that's a testament to you guys and the show. It was just like the, probably real life friendships. Look at you now now 20 years later. That's an end. You know what, it's actually, and it's so sweet too,

because you know people always ask me like, who do you still stay in touch with? And for me, you know, obviously great terms, but like I mean my bros are you know, Jer and Kev. Kev I see regularly because he's in LA, but if Jer was here in LA, I see regularly because he's in LA, but if Jer was here in LA, I mean, we, Kevin and I went to Jer's wedding together. Epic. First of all, I didn't think

anyone of my LA friends were going to come. Where did you get married? In fucking Canton, Ohio by the Hall of Fame. Well, I guess Bree's there. Bree's there. It was beautiful. I would have been totally fine if my L.A. friends were like, Jarrah, love you, but we can't get to Canton on a Friday or whenever it was. But everyone showed up, mostly everyone. And then Connelly and Emanuel were like, they rolled in together and it was. Yeah, it was. We flew together. It was epic. Yeah, we had a good time.

It was just it was such a beautiful summer. I had to be. That was summer. It was like I was about to say, we had a good time. It was just, it was such a beautiful weather. Was that summer? Had to be summer, right? That was summer. It was like, I was about to say, when is it? It's June 30th. I remember. I was sitting like early July.

Oh man. Yeah, well listen, you know how I feel about you. Now you two are friends now. I know, I'm so happy to meet you finally. You have no idea now. The only thing I'll say, I'll end on this, that the one bummer about getting to work with you all those years is it's gonna be hard for us

to work together again on something different. Cause like, could you see a movie where, like me and Emanuel, like we're married in a movie? Like I feel like audiences would be like, what the fuck is this? I know, but I mean, I think it's possible, but I think we would have to be like characters. Really characters.

Like real characters. Yeah. But like, I hope so. That's what I mean. It's a bummer, even with the Kevins, and I look at those guys like, and there's been moments too, where I've gotten calls for movies

and then heard like, oh, Connelly might be in this part. I'm like, well, I guess I'm out, because no one's going to hire us together. We're just so known because we're so tight. It's a beautiful thing. I say that's the one percent bummer. Like, you know, we might not do five more movies to right. Exactly. We'll find something. Yeah. The commercial with Dylan, right? I did do. I don't know if you saw that. We did something for like F1.

Me, Kevin Dillon. I'll show it to you. It was mainly on like social media and stuff. And this is what really started making me think, you know what, we could reboot the show. Because I was always like, no, we can't do it. We've done everything with these characters. So it was this spot for F1 racing and Visa Cash App. And it was a cool concept. Like Dillon and I are on a road trip to Vegas and we stop off in the desert and whatever so It's we're not being drama and turtle, but we are it's like a wink

We're not calling each other drama and turn right and there was a moment that morning I'm like fuck can I still do this like I could still act but can I'm 45 years old? Can I be turtle like in the way they want do I still have it? After one take with Kevin Dillon, he takes off his sunglasses, he goes, we gotta go to Vegas, bro. Holy shit, this guy still got his fastball, man. He is throwing heat.

So I felt like, I'm like, it's go time. And after like take two, I'm like, no, we could theoretically do, this guy's still got it. He's still got it. You guys just got to get together and do something. Even if it's social, you guys would kill it. I always say that by the way, I'm like, it's, well, we could do campaigns to get, there's so much stuff because people still love just that group. do you mean? All together. And together as a group, it's- They love. Yeah.

But just remember, we did the movie five years after the show went. I know, I know. And it felt like three days later. Like we showed up and we were in it. Like kind of wild. Yeah, leg breaks and all. Kind of breaking his leg.

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Don't risk it, click it or take it. So Matt, it's an interesting time of year as we sit here in late May, OTAs going on for everyone. I wanted to ask you off the air, so I figured I'd wait till on the air. What is it like right now, this time of year, both one is like when you're a rookie doing this for the first time,

and then when you're a vet coming in, OTAs, kind of back to school. Yeah, I mean, it's fun. I would say, so like when you break down a season, right, you play the season, the regular season's over, for some it goes through February, for some it's like January 1, and you're on vacation, right? And from, typically from January to March,

you have a couple months off if you're done, right? If no playoffs, go do whatever you want, travel, spend time with a family. And then you have like the winter workouts kind of begin, the spring workouts in March. I would say 80% of players are there. Now you have your handful that won't show up or maybe come, whatever,

but like you're there for lifting basically. So for me, I go to Arizona, I'm there lifting, we'll throw at the receivers, get some workouts. You're hanging out there. I would go home every week, go back to California on the weekends. I think we were like Monday through Thursday training, two hours wait room.

You're just hanging around the facility, right? That's all you're really doing. You're building some camaraderie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the off-season workouts. That's the off-season workout. And then you have a little more, then you have more time off, then you go home.

Then you have, say that's end of March, April, then OTAs are usually in May, right? That's when like you have two sets of OTAs where you have like seven or eight practices here and then you have another OTA and then you're done for the summer. I mean, look, OTAs are installation of the offense or defense, you do seven on seven, you do team,

you do like full practice, like hour and a half practice, pretty light work, you're in and out, you're watching film and you move on. But it is, it's sort of that, you always talk about off season, right? Where you build chemistry, you put the offense in, you get the, like there's the rookie OTA, which happens right after the draft.

And that's just rookies, undrafted rookies. You might have 15, 20 guys there. You might have 10, 11 guys there. And you get, you try and accomplish as much as you can with the amount of players that you have. But the same thing, seven on seven, team, you install. And then the next one is the vet, full team, OTA. So now the rookies have a little bit of,

like they have a lot of catching up to do. And the big thing too, it's like from rookie OTA to vet to team OTA, the coaches are like, rookies, this shit's real now. Like we're going to be installing faster, faster, faster. Like make sure you study, make sure you're prepared or else you're gonna be fucking, you're not gonna be on the team.

Like it gets, and that's what OTAs are super important, man, because it's like first impression of young players to their coaches, can they handle it? Can they play with the speed of the vets and all those kinds of things? So it's a fun time a year because it's like you're off a little bit, then you work out, then you get to practice, you're around the guys again, and then you get another six or seven weeks off and then it's

training camp. The worst part about the year is training camp. Training camp. That blows, bro. Yeah. Do you want me to give you like, like- Where was Arizona? It was camp in Arizona? I was up in Flagstaff, which is beautiful. So it was like 70 degrees up there in August. Like rain is beautiful trees. I think they do it. I think they do it now at the stadium now, honestly. So and because we didn't have an indoor facility back then. Let me give you a day in training camp. We're going to we got to do some pods around training camp and go see some more. We should go visit one. We should go visit pods around training camp and go see some of the guys. For sure, we should go visit one.

We should go visit one. So I might mess up some of these times, but like a two day, right? So you're up at six a.m., whatever, tape, breakfast, you're on the field by eight o'clock, eight thirty. In Houston, we were on early because you try to beat the heat

for that morning practice. So you're on eight to ten thirty, you're on the field to 10 30, you're on the field or eight to 10. Work a little bit of post-workout, whatever. You go in, you shower, you get your lunch, you go straight to meetings. So like say 11 30 to one 30 or 11 30 to one lunch meetings. Meetings are you watch the film of that first practice.

Then you have like a little bit of a break and then at two o'clock or 2.30, you have meetings again for the next installation of the next practice. So you're in a meeting again for an hour and then you get ready to take your practice from four to six, whatever. You're done, you go dinner, you shower,

then you have meetings from 7.30 to like nine or 9.30. Even that, well, I see that. I didn't know. The tail end, I thought you guys would have been in the ice bath. Tail end, dude. Actually, there might not be meetings. So there's meetings between both practices. That meeting is to watch the practice and then maybe

an install in the second practice. The post meeting at the end is watching the practice again. And then you're done. And then you do it all over again. And that's for like a two a day. Sometimes the is watching the practice again, and then you're done. And then you do it all over again. And that's for like a two a day. Sometimes the one a day practice now, cause you can't do two a days every day. The one a day, same type of thing,

but in the afternoon you'll have like a walkthrough for an hour, a lot less. And then you have meetings and then maybe your day ends at nine or eight 30. And then curfew's at 10 30. It's just dude, it's a garage. Is it like bed check? Is someone knocking on your door? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Making sure you're dead and then curfews at 1030 it's just dude it's a grime is it like bed check is someone knocking on your door oh yeah sure you're in the room bed check 10 30 bed check and by the by the time you're in day three or four dude your your your head is on that pillow at 9 30

knocked out you're dead you're done who was the player i can't forget i can't remember i think we saw it because of hard knocks that he got cut because he, I think it was a young guy. He brought a girl to his room. Yeah. You don't do that. I just say, she wasn't going to stay. I just feel like you got to know that you just survived.

Did you survive those three weeks? Now they do break it up. You know, you have a day off. Like we had a couple of days, like you get through like the first eight or nine days, then you have these, then it's like two weeks is then you have, then you have preseason, right? Like, like you're right there. It's just that first seven or eight days is like a grind

because you start, you're kind of excited. Then you're like day seven, you're like, dude, but then you start practicing against other teams. So like it's broken. It becomes hard knocks to kind of the stuff we start to see. Yeah, then you start to see like you have inner squad practices with other teams for two or three days. Then you have pre, then once you get into pre-season and camp breaks, then it's just normal like a normal season

You just go in meet practice you go home, you know, and then you just you know, so it's about a 17 days of just Dude a grind Deon long was the player who got cut for? Yeah, man young lady to his training camp. There's a couple there's a couple things you don't do You don't gotta be rule number one one is you don't miss you don't miss bed check, right? Do don't be late to a meeting man Don't look like what else are you there to do? Like what would be your excuse for being there's there's your excuse to ever be ever Be late for a meeting now bed check, you know know sometimes people might be on another room playing cards you you're going right i would have been a playstation guy i mean there's a lot that's going on but like everyone kind of knows dude like you just just be in your room by 10th by the time

like whatever so last thing the those earlier otas you're talking about and famously obviously like tom brady always skipped them. Roger skipped them. And now all the talk is like, well, Roger isn't even on the team right now. I know you mentioned 20%. But for a quarterback, if you've been like a Brady, if you've been on that team for years, day in, day out,

is it acceptable? Like when you kind of skip it, it's like, OK. I mean, Tom Brady was in New England for, I mean, Tom is tough, man, because it's Tom. Like he stopped, one, it's almost like, it's good for the other guys to get reps, get your backup quarterback, all those. Brian Hoyer was that for years,

like get him in there and get him the OTAs. Like what is Tom, what else does Tom need to do at that point? He's spending time with his family. He's stepping away. He'll be ready to lock and load it. There's probably like, you can count like five to 10 people probably in the NFL still today that you could technically get away with that

if you wanted to. Yet with the Rogers thing, like again, like we're just all assuming- You never skipped OTAs, right? I mean, dude, I was never in a position to skip OTAs. I did hold out my rookie contract, though. So I missed a little bit of training camp. That's another story.

But yeah, when did the checks start hitting? So you get your signing bonus first, right? And that's what you're kind of living off of until you get to game one. And then you get like a paycheck for a game. You get a paycheck. You get a paycheck. You get a paycheck. You get a paycheck every Friday.

At least it was Friday was check and that was a fun day. You go pick it up. Some were like. But you don't get anything, you get your signing bonus and then that's a rookie. You're living off that till game one. Yeah, back when I was playing, you got like a big signing bonus check in September

or October and then you got another one in March or April. So you got like a big signing bonus check in September or October, and then you got another one in March or April. So you got two, and those are big. Right, and that's keeping, okay. Like, dude, like, you know, like 50 million guaranteed, you might be getting literally like a $30 million check. That goes right to your pick. I guess my mind more so goes to like the fifth round pick who's like scratch.

It's the same thing dude. Like, you know, like you get four years, four million dollars, right? With a signing bonus of 1.2 million. So that signing bonus is broken up, you know, maybe a half a million in October and then 700,000 in March. Listen, I can see how for a young person, especially if you don't come from much that like you get that signing bonus check out of nowhere. That's the issue dude. You get a big old check man. Even if it's like a two million dollar thing, like you get, you know, you get a million dollars in the bank, all of a sudden you're like, oh, I can buy a car or this. And then all of a sudden you're like, well dude, tax

boom. Oh, I got $300,000. Like it just, yeah, it can go fast. But it's gonna be here before we know it football. See hearing this, I can't even talk. By the way, fantasy football, bro. Let's go. Well, we have to find our celebrity. Yeah, we have to do our league if you want me to continue and not just gamble. So yeah, hit us up on Twitter with that. We'll figure out see some celebrities you might want to see that we could reach out to. And all right, Maddie, that's another, I mean, hopefully

next week's show, I might be more depressed or I might be way happier. Listen, get some, get some rest. Okay. I'm good. Hey, go hit some golf balls on the range. It's good idea. Talk, talk to the wife. Yes. Commit. And then we might have a big announcement to me. And let's have a big announcement. Alright, thank you. Bye bye. Later, bro. No, I'm done. I'm done. Later.