Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Kyle Van Noy talks Tom Brady memories, 28-3 Comeback, Ravens-Steelers Rivalry, free agency and defensive GOATs

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Two-time Super Bowl champ and Pro Bowler Kyle Van Noy joins the show to talk with Matt and Jerry about Tom Brady being big bro, the legendary Patriots Super Bowl 28-3 comeback and the robe and slippers Brady would randomly rock in the locker room. Plus, the 12-year vet talks his pending free agency, his time on the Baltimore Ravens, his hatred for the Pittsburgh Steelers and how he knew Rams superstar receiver Puka Nacua would be great. Finally, Kyle makes his pick for this year’s MVP, decides if Myles Garrett really has the new sack record with an extra game and reveals how he gained UNC status in the locker room.   Finally, the guys are joined by Annie Agar as she eulogizes the Packers season, decides if it’s time to fire Matt LaFleur before taking on Matt in a special round of Twisted Tea Trivia.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s  Join Team Tendy’s and enjoy a line-up like never before. Crispy. Juicy. Tendys Now at Wendy’s. https://www.tendys.com  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  Ka’Chava Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS. New customers get twenty dollars off an order of two bags or more, January 1st through 31st!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you play that Steelers matchup, you know those highlights are going to live forever good or bad. Yeah. This evening, you're on the bad side of things where we let 42-year-old wax us twice, which is this eats at me. Because they weren't a good football team. You're better that day, but they weren't a good football team collectively. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Me, Maddie Liner. Don't forget to like and subscribe on the YouTube

Throwback Show All social media is at Throwback Show Matt that was a wild weekend Of some NFL God, NFL playoffs for the best Aren't they? Some big games It just really is And I know we all know it's like undefeated

But like What I love is like now everyone's like Oh it's the best wild card weekend ever Dude you could say that almost every year Rarely is it like a dud Rarely is it a dud NFL playoffs are awesome to watch man It's just like it means more.

The teams are playing at a high level. It's the best teams in the league. A lot of upsets or great. We had comebacks, upset. Especially, we've talked about it all year on the show. Like this year just feels it's a little bit like the college game. It's like it just, it's kind of wide open with no Chiefs, with no Lamar and the play. Like it just feels wide open.

Like any of these teams that are left could seriously win a Super Bowl. Like all of them left could win the game. So, which I think it's going to make exciting over the next couple weeks. Well, our guest today, you know, he is a current NFL player. He was on a team that maybe you could say arguably, maybe he should have had that playoff spot over a team that got bounced out at home. We have Kyle Van Noy joining the show. 12-year NFL vet, played for the Lions, won a couple Super Bowls with the Pats.

The comeback. He would talk about comebacks. He was a part of the greatest comeback ever. Yeah, the greatest comeback in the history of Super Bowls with the Ravens this past year. Just an all-around great dude, great perspective, I think, and especially on the current landscape of the NFL and just kind of what's going on. But a hell of a career by him, man. I mean, what a career. And I'm sure he's got some Brady story.

I'm sure he's got some cool to talk about. So, BYU, you legend. BYU legend. When I run into even like an actor, like an older actor, it's like, God, you've worked with like so. Like I remember Martin Landau, right? He worked like James Dean. I'm like, dude, what was it like working with James Dean? in the act, you know.

So, like, Van Nuoy has an interesting career, too, because it's like Brady, Stafford, Lamar. Herbert. He played with Herbert. Herbert. Stinted with the Chargers. You know, Megatron.

Like, he's had a really, he's played with unbelievable NFL players. And of course, a lot do, but that's, he's played with, like, Hall of Fame players. He's one of the winning-ness, this came out,

since 2016, one of the winningest players in the NFL, as far as just overall wins. He's been on five. teams. I think I'm getting that correct. I mean, there's a list of like 10 guys. Most of them are the chiefs, because it's Mahomes and Kelsey and guys who had stints with the chiefs for that run.

He's been a part of winning teams almost every year he's been in the NFL. And yeah, I mean, he's coming down to the end, coming down to the end, but he's still got a lot of good football left to him, I think, so. Yeah, and not that I'm nervous, but I think this is the

closest I've ever talked to a active player who's like season just ended and maybe should have play like a guy who probably had expectations of going on into the playoffs in your Baltimore you have expectations to be in the playoffs every year yeah yeah so that's gonna be great and then after after that obviously we're doing our twisted trivia with annie agar and my my gosh my heart breaks for her man she we're just gonna let her eulogize her packers like go ahead take the floor give to the funeral um we got it we're gonna be real

gentle though with annie because we don't know what her emotional state's gonna be after that crazy crazy bears come back when Question, though, for you before we move on to something else, did you watch the Golden Globes or any of it? Because the Golden Globes got a little lucky this Sunday. It was on during the Patch Chargers game, which was arguably the worst of the entertainment value of all the playoff games. Did you see any Golden Globes?

I didn't watch one second of the Golden Globes, but I saw our boy, Timothy Shalmay, get some awards via social, via content that I consumed from it. and some of the jokes from Nikki Glazer, but I did not actually watch the show. Yeah, I watched the opening monologue back, because that's usually something.

She killed it. She did great. I didn't really watch the award show. I saw some stuff on social media. And, you know, I always have said publicly, like, fortunate enough,

Entourage was nominated for a bunch of things, and we lost six straight Golden Globe. Yeah, you got to have some great gold in a row. And, you know, got bounce. I've told a few stories here. And I got me thinking, All right. How could I explain the Golden Globes in a few sentences?

The first thing that stands out, Matt, and I will tell you who this person is off the air. I'm not going to say it on the year. I'm sorry. I don't feel it liberty to say because I think this person now is married with children. And I'm like, I'm sure our husband wouldn't love waking up to hearing this. Can I guess? We're seeing it. You can guess.

I'm not going to tell you yes. But one of the weirdest things that happened to me at the Golden Globes. Every now and because we had such a big table because we had such a large cast. and sometimes they would put like a presenter or someone who maybe was in and out without a guess, we'd sit at our table for a few. So this actress, known actress, sat at our table one year, kind of knew who we were. Like, oh yeah, I've seen a few episodes I like the show. We would sit next to each other and we talked for a little bit.

And then she said to me, and I had to know how I was supposed to react and my reaction was terrible. She said, oh, yeah, that's right. You're the turtle, right. you know, I would totally sleep with your character is what she told me. And I, I want to say, like, where I went in my head was like, I was going to say, should I run home and get my Yankee hat? Like, what do you want to do here? Is this, are we playing dress up?

I didn't, I just kind of melted down. Yeah, you just went, you had totally frozen. But she, I don't know how you would handle that situation. She didn't say I would sleep with you, Jerry Ferrar. She said, I would totally sleep with your character. And you're like, listen, honey, I can get into character real quick. I stopped myself from saying, should I go home and get my Yankee at? Because I don't know if I would have got slapped.

You could guess off the air. I'll give you the eras is like 07, 08. It's another form of trivia. Man. That. And then the other thing that stands out before we move on is my boys, now your boys, Kevin Connolly, Kevin Dillon, right? long ago they started a war when they did interviews

like live interviews they started just going at each other throwing digs and this then spilled out to the red carpet of the friggin golden globes now we're doing the press line and every Fox

CNN every outlet that brings us over they're going to the point like Kevin Dylan they were like so Kevin how would you do this morning to get ready for shows like I don't know all I know is Connolly probably rolled in at six in the morning drunk they had to put someone

much makeup on this guy. And then Conley go back to the point where we had to huddle up on the side. Be like guys. On the red carpet. Truce, guys. This is going to get. There's got to be, there's got to be clips of this, right? All over the place. All over the place. If you Google, Kevin Connolly, Kevin doing Golden Gloor.

They just went at it. I would sneak out of the frame. Like if I was in the frame like this, you'd see me just going this. I don't want any part of it. I would just edge out. And I will always say Golden Globes was and still is the best of those to attend. I thought it was a little strange that like, hey, we're going to give out this award

for best actor. His two people from the show, the studio. And then the winner is the guy from the studio. Like, they're no longer even trying to keep it, like who's going to win. But all in all, thought the Golden Globes were good. But charge, I'm going to say, Chargers Pat's still better.

And that was a terrible game. That was a bad one. That was just a slug. I want to know something before we do our Wendy's fresh take of the week. Who are you hanging out with that I don't know about? Because you are letting it fly, my boy. You are letting takes fly. I don't know if we could pull it up on the show,

but I'm going to read a tweet from Matt Liner. And then I guess I'm going to let you cook. Matt Liner tweeted January 11th, 1030 in the morning. If Matt Stapford wins. 1030 in the morning, did I? Wow. Another Super Bowl. I think it's time to start putting him in that top five QB all-time conversation.

And then once again, your phone probably blew up. Well, my phone didn't blow up, but my Twitter account blew up. Twitter account. Right. That's what I mean. They were like, I would have, my reasoning was said I probably had like three or four glass of wine, but 1030 in the morning, I did not. No, you're bloody marries maybe?

You know what? Listen, man, I was, I, I'm, you try and look at these. And I don't I'm not backtracked. I could have deleted the tweet and all that stuff. I'm not deleting it. I was responding with people. People gave opinions. I said, okay, is he top 10 then, question mark?

And again, I slated it. If he wins a Super Bowl, what if he wins the regular season MVP, which probably is going to? He wins a Super Bowl. He wins a Super Bowl MVP. He would have two rings. He would have that MVP. And people are making say like, oh, he's only first team all pro once. That doesn't matter to me.

me as much because some of the teams he was on. He carried a franchise for a decade and still has more fourth quarter comebacks than anybody in the history of the game or he's top three or four, whatever it is. He's right up there. And that was with the Detroit Lions as well. Look, it's not his fault. He was buried for a horrible franchise for a long time. He goes to the Rams. He had better players around him. He's won. I'm just making the argument based on longevity, statistics. He has the hardware. He'll have an MVP

that he should be considered in some of the same breasts as I'm going to read some names here, right? Because this is my top, these are my top four. Brady one. I'm going to, listen, I'm going to go Mahomes too. I think, I'm going to go Montana to

Mahomes three. Now, that's easily switchable by the end. Mahomes is great. And I'm going to go Peyton Manning four. And then I probably, I probably would throw Elway in there at five. He's got multiple

Super Bowls. Like his resume is ridiculous as well. But then you get into this 6 through 10 and 15 and it's just it's a lot of, it's guys like Farr, Marino never won a Super Bowl but he's an all-time great. Terry Bradshaw, obviously I love TB as multiple Super Bowls,

but a lot of people don't even put him in the top 10. Your boy, Eli Manning, multiple Super Bowls wasn't great in the regular season, but was Big Ben, multiple Super Bowls. Aaron Rogers might be the greatest thrower we've ever seen in the history of the game, won a Super Bowl. So I just think it's time to get Matthew Stafford some flowers for the career of playing maybe almost 18, 19 years and has the resume to back it up.

And look, if he plays two or three more years and he wins a couple more Super Bowls, then he's in that top five range. So look, I'm not backtracking by any means. I can understand when you start to look at the list, but like he deserves that. By the way, he also played in an era where he was over, he was on a shitty team for 10 years and he was overshadowed by those guys that I mentioned, which necessarily isn't his fault. So where I always go with this stuff too is like, it's hard for me to say Terry Bradshaw's like the fifth or say, it's hard if I haven't seen the guy play.

I getting this with the NBA stuff too. Of course I acknowledge Wilts Chamberlain and Bill Russell as the lead, but I can only go by what I've seen. So I don't think you're that far off. that's how I interpreted the tweet because then like what you want to start going back to like Brian like greasy played like in three Super Bowls

won two in three years like how far back are we trying to go? I think if you put him next to all of those guys I mentioned the Rothesburgers and all like that that kind of tier of the last like 30 25 30 years like in that tier then he's comparable if not better

based on I'm saying based on if he wins another Super Bowl I'm not saying if he does it if he does which would give him more than Breeze, give him more than Rogers, you know, all of those guys. And I understand like, oh, these people are just hot. People are hot. I don't think it's like an anomaly that like he's had great receivers.

I think that has a lot to do with him. Like, yeah, Pook is a beast? Is Puka as much of a beast without Stafford? We may see flashes of it, but not like this. So, yeah, I go like Brady, Montana, Mahomes, Manning. And then you can start going, L. Yeah, it's Elway, it's Farr, Bree. But I do think, to your point,

if Stafford happens to win a Super Bowl this year, and then if he gets, even if he doesn't win a Super Bowl, even if statistically, like, Rogers, we've seen, like, statistically, he's falling off a cliff. He's 42 years old. If he's, like, 41, Matt Stafford and still throwing for 4,000 yards, you could bump him. I think he's 30.

Way up. He's 38 or something like that. He's the second old. He's not 40 yet. So he does do it. And look, I don't know. He might be done after this year. So, like, I don't know.

But if he gets a couple more years, with the Rams and as good as they are, McVeigh, like, I don't know, just, and he, and by like, statistically, he's top five, six, in literally everything, you know, like, I mean, it's, he's already up there, so.

In my, uh, quarterback research, I, I, you have, I took a good, hard look at Marino, right? And, but here's a, it's trivia question. It's like, 1984 Super Bowl, Joe Montana's first win was verse.

Dan Marino. Dan Marino. I don't even know why I don't, Laces out. I didn't remember that it was like, could you imagine, Montana's first. Marino threw for 5,000 yards. Marina was a beast, dude. 1984, he threw for 5,000 yards.

Like, it's crazy in that year. And they got rocked. One NFL MVP. He's all pro three times, nine pro bowls. I mean, he was great. I mean, but I don't know. Just did not enough big time playoff looks. And again, yeah.

Matt, I don't know if you're hanging out with Nick Wright or Skip Bayless, but I was ready to defendants on that tape. actually, which it's got a good ring to it. It's like an alter ego. I don't believe you're like that at all, but it's an alter ego. Well, I threw out the Caleb Williams greatest throw of all time, and people came at me for that too. I was like, and then we had it off camera spat, you and the person that surprised me and those were coming at me if that was you, but we won't even get into that. My God.

I just got into it. It was a good throw. It wasn't a great throw. I'm like, you got to be kidding me, bro. It's an amazing throw in that situation, which makes it one of the, the greatest throws we've seen. That's it. I'll give it. I'll give it. It's true. All right, we're going to get to Kyle Van Noy, but don't forget to join team Tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy Juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. Shout out for that segment.

Let's bring on Kyle Van Noy. One of the coolest names on footballers as well. All right, our guest today hails from Reno, Nevada, where he led McQueen High School to a state title. He's a BYU Cougar legend. A second round pick by the Lions, a two-time Super Bowl champion with the Patriots, a pro bowler with the Ravens, a 12-year veteran heading into his 13th season officially with Unk status. A teammate's so great, he would literally hand a pick six to one of his guys. I'm not sure why he did that. Host of the Kyle Van Nuys show co-hosts of Vibing with the Van Nuys with his wife, Marissa. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Van Nuoy, welcome. Gobacks. Let's go. Let's go. What an intro. Thanks for having me. I mean, life is going on. Life being a loser when you're out of the playoffs. You know, it's not fun when you lose. But hey, I'm enjoying family time. I got to go to Deer Valley and ski for the first time in 20 years. So it was spectacular. Just enjoying family life in the offseason.

What are you like on the mountain skiing down the mountain? Well, I want to know. He's a beast probably, right? Yeah, get out of my... I'm way too big to be out there, so get out of my way. I can only imagine, like, my... I did a whole rant on skiing. I could just imagine being on the mountain trying to survive.

I was like, oh, shit. Is that Kyle Van Nooy? He's going like 80 miles an hour. Get out of the way. I appreciate you that you would think of me during that time, even though I had helmet and goggles on. So nobody's going to recognize. me. But I'm sure people could

recognize you and Matt going down a hill, that's for sure. Well, Jerry's only about 5-7, like 200, what do you, where do you wait, 80, 185? I'm 160 pounds, bro. I thought he's 5-4. Wikipedia says he's 5-4.

Thank God I didn't call you. Yeah, and it also said that, Kyle, you are the Mormon monster, which is confirmed. It was never a nickname for you, ever, ever. By the way, it's not a terrible nickname. When I said that to, you were like, No, no, no, no. I was like, that's not a terrible nickname. No. What's your, is your I-M-B-D? Does that put your height as well?

That's on there, too. Yeah, it has me at like 5-4. If you go, all I'll tell people on the height is go look at the movie, think like a man that I did with the Kevin Hart. Kevin's like 5-3. I would pose, if we were playing hoops, you would just give me the ball in the post on Kevin all day and I would back him down and jump-hook him. So you could tell them just by that. But I do feel like you, are you self-procling? Because you said it like a thing in your intro, right? Unk University. Are you self-proclaimed Unk?

Because I remember when I became like on a TV set, I'm Unk now. Like it's just so clear. I'm telling stories to these kids. Did some young dude give you to tell you like, hey, Unk? Or did you just self-proclaim yourself as Unk status? Well, yes and no, right? For a little bit, people were trying to call me

grandpa and so i you ain't grandma you should on that no let's not be disrespectful there like let's meet in the middle so it was kind of a mutual respect thing all right you know you're unc we won't call you grandpa we'll call you unc and so yes it's a little bit of self but it's at the same time um when your teammate and your locker mate the uh in 2024 was 21 years old and Nate wiggins it's kind of like uh yeah i am kind of grandpa to him I understand that. But then I was like, hey, there's other players on the team. Let's meet in the middle at Unk. And so that's kind of how it came about. Did I remember when I got drafted by Arizona and Kurt Warner was there and Kurt Warner was, gosh, I was 22. He was 37 when I was a rookie or 36.

And we would listen to the, you know, hip hop. You know how the locker room music, it changes depending on if the lineman's day or the wait room, whatever. No, you can mix it up. But he was just such a fish out of water. He's like, what are we listening to? It's so loud. Oh, it's so now being on that other side of it. Dude, so you mentioned, you mentioned this season, obviously a tough year for you guys. I'm not going to talk about the year, but I want to ask you how you're feeling, you know, 12 years in, I think you're a free agent, right? Free agent going into your 13th year, you're still going to play and you're still playing at a really high level, high level. How do you feel physically? Like, what is, what does this offseason look like compared to some of the

others you've had? Yeah, that's a good one. I think every year is different, on how you finish the year. Some seasons you need surgery, some seasons you don't. I think it's kind of crazy. The NFL has made surgeries look like going to the dentist. Hey, this guy's just going for a checkup. He's getting a scope, you know, no big deal. Oh, this guy got his knee scoped.

No big deal. You know, it's kind of crazy how we've kind of numbed surgery in the NFL. It's like going to the dentist. but, you know, every year's different. For me, I feel really good. During the season, I had a couple injuries, and so I'm actually already working out as it stands. I'm doing the dad workouts, you know,

getting the abs right, getting on a stair stepper for all those moms out there on a stair stepper. I'm representing with you out there. It's big booty season, you know? It's almost beach season, dude, already. Yeah, yeah. Matt, you're a beach guy, So you would know, you would know the beach workout.

You ain't catching me on the sand, man. I don't go on the ocean either because I'm afraid of sharks, but it's all good. Yeah. So every year's different when it comes to workout. Sorry, Jerry, go ahead. No, no, no. I was going to ask you when the season ends in the way you don't want it, which is you're not playing in the posy.

But do you watch or are you one of those guys that's like, you know, family time, which is always priority? But how much tabs are you keeping on the NFL playoffs? because I know you have your show, you're kind of like speaking on. It's great. I love seeing NFL current players do shows a little more than NBA players.

I feel like there's like this level of, you speak the truth. Like NBA dudes seem like they're just talking a bunch of shit. You guys like, you're gonna go put, you can't talk too much shit. You're gonna put on a helmet and like go to war. You gotta be not careful what you say.

So like how much are you keeping an eye on the postseason right now? Yeah, that's a good one. I agree with you when it comes to basketball players. They talk a little bit more trash. I think it's when you have that type of money, you start feeling a little entitled. Grahamon can say whatever. He's like, I don't give a damn.

Find me, you know, you're going to take two grand away from me. He's like, that's fine, that's chump change, you know. It's pretty funny. I like his show, actually, just because it's kind of random and crazy. But I think with the NFL, it's, there's a lot. of respect when it comes down to it because at the end of the day you do have to go out there with the helmet on you do have to play with 10 other guys besides yourself out there you know it's 11 on 11 that's a lot of dudes and that's a lot of dudes that could end you if they wanted to if

they get the opportunity so you have to it's a respect factor I think um it's it's I think it's getting back a little bit turning to old school a little bit where you're seeing more of the I'm, for one, I don't like handshaking, talking during games to people. Like, I'm cut from that old school that Matt grew up with. Like, I'm not trying to be your friend out there. I respect you. I have the utmost respect. I know that when you step on the field, it's old school football.

I'm trying to take food off your plate. I'm trying to end you and end your season. I'm trying to get you and your coach is fired. And you're trying to do the same thing. And I think, you know, it's starting to get back to that a little bit, which I like. I always think too many people are buddy-buddy. I think that seven-on-seven has done ways and numbers on the next generation. And this NIL is doing a lot of damage that I think football-wise.

And I also think coaches are involved in this, too, because they're a buddy-buddy with all the other coaches and they're friends. and they talk before the game and after the game. So I think that has to go into it as well. Sorry, I got off top. No, this is great. This is not even off topic. I want to follow up with that because I was going to ask you, because we saw each other at the BYU, Utah game,

and I know you still follow college football and this whole new world of NIL and portal and all that. And I think it, I think, you know, and I have an older son is going to college, so I'm living in it. Like, this generation is just very different than what we grew up. up in and what we played in 10 50 you've been playing for a long time in the league um i i guess you kind of answer the question i'm just saying do you like what advice do you give these young kids

coming up because dude you've played 12 years you've been on super bowl teams you played with brady you played with some of the best players to ever do it and you've seen a lot but then you have this generation of kids coming in that there's almost like you're not saying soft that i would never say football is soft but like it's it's it's it's just like this different it's just different man like it's just different like what what is what is some of the advice that you've probably given to some of these guys when they come in it's so different matt than when someone gets it hit in the head people are looking for a flag like oh call the flag i know i think it's crazy i also think it's crazy that college kids get kicked out of games for that targeting i think it's that's a terrible

rule yeah that rule needs to go just like a lot of things in the ncaaaa that needs to go but that's for another day um advice that i give young kids to choose your hard. It's hard getting a bunch of money early. It's hard going the long route. I understand both, but I think if you choose your hard in the sense of you're earning everything that you keep,

meaning that if you stay in one place, if you work as hard as you can to succeed at that one place, it's going to benefit you in the long run. too many players and too many people run away from the smoke or run away for some money. Not all money is good money. You don't know the grass might not be greener on the other side. You know you're hard where you're at and you got to keep and continue to grind that. I mean, the respect that I have for what Indiana is doing and Kurt Signetti and, you know,

I've been watching a lot on him because, you know, maybe one of you. day I'll want to coach, but he he says something that resonates with me because this is how I feel about analytics right now, especially being an older player in the NFL is he goes production

over potential. And I think too many young kids are worried about getting paid versus actually producing. Like if you produce,

everything going to, everything's going to go into place. You're going to get drafted. Does it matter? They'll find you. Doesn't matter on any of those things. You will get found. That's just the way it goes in the NFL.

They find whether you could be like Pooka Nakua and they find you in the fifth round and you better be singing praises because you went to Sean McVeigh in the perfect system. It's a blessing that he went into the fifth round and fell to Sean McVeigh. As soon as I knew he got drafted there, I was like, oh, the dude's going to be a superstar. I saw him in college. I saw how hard he worked. He battled injuries.

I know he transferred, but his transfer was to be closer to his mom, you know, for different reasons. So I respect that. If you know, you know, some people do transfer for different reasons. But if you really look at the route and what they're trying to do, Puka picked his heart. His hard was grinding to make it to the least. and be in the league as long as possible to perform in a way to represent his dad. And so for me, like, I want that dude on my team because I know what he's cut from. I know what he's gone through.

And so I want players like that. And I think Coach Signetti, that's why Indiana is having so much success because he's finding those type of players. He's not going for the players that want money. Obviously, he's going to pay players. That's just part of what you've got to do. but he's finding players that want to grow within his system. Are you, great answer.

Are you a little college ball here? Because I don't want to talk a lot of college. But are you as surprised as everyone of the success of how Indiana has been able to. And you said it. And I love the mantra. And signetti's a dog and he's tough. And he's got this winning culture. But still, like you look at like, you look at these rosters.

Like, how is he doing? Are you surprised at all? just like kind of stepping away and be like, how the hell is it? Because we cover them, you know, a couple times. Yeah, no, I'm not. You know what I mean? I'm not. I'm not because when you pick underdogs, when you pick dudes that it means more,

you're picking football players. That's the difference between, that's how I feel right now. You're giving me chills asking and talking about this because it's a problem in the NFL is the football player is dying. dudes that have freak athlete, unreal, crazy good basketball, same way, but they don't know the fundamentals, they don't know the techniques, they don't know mentally scheme-wise. They're five steps ahead of you because the coach is doing such a good job of installing

his system and installing his scheme and having football players execute that scheme at a high level. It doesn't take superstar athletes to be able to do that. It takes pit bull, dog, love football players, putting around a great scheme and executing it. I think that's what you see in the NFL right now when it comes to X's and O's. You know, it's a whole different conversation, but it doesn't surprise me that Indiana is doing what they're doing because they have the right, he's found the right form. of finding football players attached with an elite scheme, and they're just executing at a high level and not making mistakes. Yeah, you know, that's so interesting because, like,

when we were talking about the rivalries, and you even mentioned you're seeing it with coaches who were maybe a little too buddy-buddy, like, I don't know how much you paid attention to, like, the Ben Johnson, Matt LaFlor stuff, right? Yeah, I pay attention to all that. Yeah, they were, they were, they were like, everything for, I mean it. Like, they were, like, chirping in the media. They don't like each other.

Yeah, I love it. I love that too. Yeah. And I do feel like at some point, I'm not saying it's the reason why the Packers lost, but there's definitely a little Ben Johnson alpha dog mentality in the media. How much does that bleed into the locker room? Like how much are you paying attention to that? Yeah.

Yeah. You are who you're head. You take on that role. You take on that just kind of a little bit of ego, a little bit of F you. I mean, look at Oregon. and how they respond to Dan Lannin, Dan Lannin when he was talking about, clicks over football or whatever his,

you know, mantra was when he played Colorado. It's that same type of energy. And Ben Johnson is taking, you know, that disrespectful energy that his quarterback received after his rookie season. You know, he's probably like, damn, keep paying your nails.

Who gives a damn? Like, we're going to shove it up, change gases. Like, that's how he feels. And we're going to out scheme them. We're going to outsmart them. And we're going to play at a high level. And, you know, Matt LaFleur, you know, he's a good coach as well.

And so he's got an ego too. Like Ben Jonathan thinks he's going to come in after being at, you know, Detroit having success, thinking he's just going to be this great head coach, blah, blah, blah. Like, you can tell they respect each other, but don't like each other. I just, I love that. I think more football, you know, that's what football is. You can be respectful. You don't have to like everybody.

It's all good. Like play football. You've, I mean, I think rivalries are what makes football, especially in college, makes college great. But there are some great rivalries in the NFL. And Jerry and I were talking about this this week, and he had brought this up. And I'm going to ask, you've played Raven Steelers. Best rivalry. You can just stop.

Okay. Well, hold on. Or BYU, Utah. bigger rivalry. I mean, real quick, I told Jerry, I said, we had the game this year,

we saw you, and I was like, these kids absolutely freaking hate each other, dude. Yes. They, they hate each, they called it the Holy War forever.

I think they changed the name now, but like, there's a hatred there. Now, I know NFL there's a hatred too, but which one is the bigger rivalry? Oh my gosh. One affects family.

So I got to go with Utah, BYU. Like, there's families involved where, like, they won't talk to you, you know, if you lose the game or if you win the game. Like, I've heard crazy stories where, you know, I want to think, I want to say, like, people have got divorced, though. Probably should. And I wouldn't be surprised. It's, oh, man, I still got to go, like, like, the, like, the. peak though is raven steelers like every time you see those highlights you think of just nasty football games in the cold you know big bang versus lacro ray louis sucks um you know just absolutely

dogs in the trenches hello de nata you know the kim waktu brothers like it's just so much grit two cities that are just blue-collar cities that despise each other that would probably burn each other's houses down. That's how they feel about that rivalry. But again, there's a respect factor. And I do think it's from the coaches that they do it respectfully. They don't like each other. We don't like them. They don't like us.

But they respect each other. But at the end of the day, they don't like each other. And, you know, you heard Mr. Bishotti during the press conference that losing to the Steelers was a big part of him, you know, going a different direction. I know I don't necessarily want to get into that. But that's the level and magnitude of that rivalry. The owners are watching it closely. Who's winning that matchup? Do you feel when you put on that, and I'm sure you do because you're a football player,

and I felt this kind of putting on different uniforms. You mentioned, I mean, I played against that defense in 06, because you were, you were in college. Were you, yeah, 06, yeah, yikes. Them and the Steelers. It was like, Paul and Molo. And I just remember, I remember playing at Baltimore my second year, and it was those guys, it was Suggs, it was Reed, it was Ray Lewis.

It was, uh, terrified. God, who are there other, Chris McAllister, I think, might have been on the outside. Anyway, they had, they had all these guys. And do you feel that? Yeah, do you feel that? Yeah, do you feel, hello? Lodi Nata, who I played against in college, who was an absolute stud. Do you feel that presence when you put on that uniform for the Baltimore Ravens every Sunday?

Like, do you feel like, you know, because you're an old school player, which I love, you know, like, hey, I'm representing freaking some of the best to ever do it. Yeah. What comes to mind is when you play that Steelers matchup, you know those highlights are going to live forever good or bad. This season, you're on the bad side of things where we let 42-year-old wax us twice, which is this eats at me because they weren't a good football team. You're better that day.

Yeah. But they weren't a good football team collectively. And we weren't a good football team either. So, like, it just sucks to not perform at the level that we were capable of, especially in those big games. I think the first game, there was a couple calls that didn't go our way. I hate saying that, but they were huge plays in the game. There was a turnover that they called Aaron Rogers down.

They called it 15-yard penalty that they ended up scoring on, which then on Monday, hey, the NFL says that wasn't a penalty. So, you know, that was brutal. And then you had the Isaiah likely, you know, catch knocking out of the ball for a touchdown. So those are huge, huge momentum. in one game and that normally doesn't happen usually there's one or two okay we'll live by that but there's three only on one side of the football which was rough and then the second game where we lost you know we battled the first half and then in the second half they just outplayed us and it was

aaron rogers basically saying f you to arthur smith i'm calling my own offense and ended up working and losing Kyle Hamilton was detrimental for us. But they ended up winning so they were the better team. And they ended up going to the playoffs. And we saw what happened in the playoff game. And their coach ended up saying, no thanks anymore because of what he had to deal with. So it's a lot of pressure when you're representing, when you're playing for organizations like the Steelers or the Ravens,

your expectations are so, so high. So when you lose those games, it sucks because you know those lasts forever. Jerry, and go ahead, Jerry, but I just know it is going to be an interesting just Mike Tomlin out who's been incredible and obviously Harbaugh, who's incredible, kind of both moving on and seeing where both those organizations go from here, I think, is going to be really fascinating. Go ahead, Jerry. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, you know, I've been watching football religiously since 19.

90, right? I remember. Big Giants fan. I know you're a big Giants fan. Like the greatest day in my life was when the Giants beat the Niners to go to the Super Bowl. Leonard Marshall hit Joe Montana in the back, knocked him out of the game. Matt Barr, game winning field. And then that night I went to go see home alone in theaters. That's how old I am. But to this day, the only Super Bowl I have ever watched that I said before kickoff, this one's over was Ray Lewis coming head to the tunnel in 2000 versus my Giants. doing his, I'm like, it's over. Pack it up. You could pack it up. Tell the halftime show, you're going to have to do four hours because this one is over. It's a wrap. And that's when I got really terrified. I've been terrified of the Ravens ever since that day. That was a sidebar.

My question, and then I want to get into some Pat stuff for sure, too. I thought it was pretty eye-opening that five of seven road teams won, almost six, if like the Packers, like that was a very winnable game. Yeah. And home field is is so important, I think, in certain situations. But that's what I was going to say, when you're going into the playoffs, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you, right? You could be home, away.

It doesn't matter. Why do you think? It really doesn't. Because you're in the playoffs. So you're getting the best teams of that year that are focused, that are determined, that have been through a lot to even get. to the playoffs. So the outside distraction of a home or away game doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you have to say set hike and play football. And there's so many factors that go into that.

I mean, you look at the Texans, they should have blew out the Steelers right away. But C.J. Stroud was playing like a rookie in the game at the beginning. It's like hot potato with the ball. Exactly. Like Oprah, you get the fumble. You get it. everyone gets the ball except my own guys. Which is crazy. But just that being said, but a defense elite as theirs travels very well. And they took over the show in that game.

You look at the Jacksonville Jaguars playing Josh Allen. Josh Allen's going to will his self to victory, whether he's home or away. I think eventually it'll catch up at some point just because of the injuries they have. The same thing with the Niners. Yes, they beat the Eagles. We saw the flaws with the Eagles, but I think the injuries will catch up similar to the Detroit Lions.

You get to a point where you play a healthy, motivated team in the AFC championship round or the Super Bowl like the Chiefs did against the Eagles. It catches up. I don't care what anyone says. I doubt teams that are banged up. up as bad as some of the teams are will win because usually it's the healthiest teams at the end of the year that are playing high-level football. What's another game that I enjoyed thoroughly this weekend for Wild Card? I really enjoyed that Eagles game because the Eagles was back and forth with the Niners. Purdy was uneven. He threw a couple picks to Mitchell, but it's the

inspiring part of the others that, you know, that don't have the name. Shout out to George Kittle as well. Yeah. I'm getting seen that. You know, I did laugh when I saw the clip of someone saying that a Casamigo's bottle was Yeah, was set down from the owner's suite. I was like, that's some gangster stuff. He's a little.

He's a dog. You eat a dog for that. That was funny. But just the camaraderie. you see with the Niners and, you know, the coaching staff, you just saw how much it meant to those guys because of what they dealt with injury-wise. I just was really impressed with that victory.

Brock Purdy just stayed staying even keel, even when he had his lows in the game. And then the Eagles just, you know, the offense just can't, couldn't get it going. Saekwon had a down year. Offensive line has a. been the same. So it's been really interesting watching the playoffs. So another thing, you know, we're talking about the Bears almost was another home team to

lose. What gets overlooked in that game, and I'm going to land this plane because this is a question I'm dying to ask you is, yes, Caleb was phenomenal in that second half and that fourth quarter. But what we don't talk about enough is the Bears defense stopped everything the Packers were doing. That run game went away in the second half. Jacobs was awesome in the first half. I know you love the Bears defense because I think a year ago you were claiming how the Bears defense was going to be so good and that da, da, da, da, da.

I don't like that you know shit I said a year ago, I don't like that you know stuff I said Kyle did his research on you. Here's what I really wanted to ask you though, because similarly, when we go to that epic Patriots Super Bowl win against the Falcons, a lot of what media and people talk about is Brady, he believed we heard him on the sideline

and the sound clips, but sure. And they were awesome. The offense was awesome. But I want to know. You did throw a six in the game. True. But I want to know from a defensive perspective when you're trying to make a comeback like that,

the mindset, the belief. Because like it's great if the offense goes and puts up 25 points, but you got to get stops. It's not happening. And it doesn't get talked about enough. Yeah, it's funny you bring this up. One thing I'll remember from the sideline

is the position coach coming up to me and high when it was, the comeback started. He was like, we're playing man the rest of the time and we're doing five-man pressure and y'all better just call it out there how you see it. So we were literally, Hightower and myself were able to call like gains that we're doing, rushes that we were doing in the game. And that led to what it led to. I remember Hightower sack fumble like it was yesterday.

He was actually supposed to peel. with the back and he ended up kept going but I kind of saw it and had his back so just things like that that I love that no one really knows about I just got goosebumps dude I just got goosebumps and it's like backyard football and the Super Bowl and you know that's that to me is what it's all about that's what still gives me that love because I think about the backyard football moments where you're growing up and you know you're playing outside in the street you know in the street with the the the lights still on barely flickering on the streets and you know throwing the ball to your home boy who's running into a car on accident um i i just love that because that's what it's what

it's all about and then when you're doing it at the highest level and the biggest game where you're back like you're in the street light games at that level when you're in that game and you have a coach like you guys get to just call it out there whatever and it works out in your favor and something I also want to talk about that game is the defense only gave up 21 points to Matt Ryan who was playing unreal MVP he won the MVP that year Julio Jones made arguably the greatest catch I've ever seen I got held on the play and I was like looking up like no don't catch it and he caught it in front of two guys and me and higher running and down the, because they, they ran up to the ball because they, they didn't know if he was in

or in or out. So they wanted to hike the ball really quick. And he's talking to me like, did he catch that? And I'm like, yeah. I was like, are we cooked? He's like, no. And then on that drive is when Kyle Long got a holding call, you know, other people are like, well, why they run the ball out, blah, blah, blah. They just had to run the ball. They rushed the ball six time for negative six yards in the second half. That's why I'm. Throw on the ball with Matt Ryan, my MVP to Julio Jones every time I had. So, you know, they play that game and ultimately lost, but it's awesome to be part of the greatest game ever. Packages by Expedia.

You were made to occasionally take the hard route to the top of the Eiffel Tower. We were made to easily bundle your trip. Expedia made to travel. Do you have a Tom Brady story that you can share? Maybe it's that game. Maybe it's just from your time, from playing with him. I mean, he's just, you know. I have so many.

One one that I'll share. It's something light. Tom, as a lot of people know, he eats very clean. He doesn't eat out a lot. Like, he ate avocado ice cream. Disgusting. I tried to make it. It's terrible.

Yeah, it's gross. What are we doing, Tom? Be normal. he was being normal down in St. Bartz. I was going to say after the Buck Super Bowl, when he was hammered off to he could stand up straight, that was the greatest. Throwing the Lombardi trophy across the boats was like the best. It's funny.

And we went to dinner one night, Capitol Grill, and one of the waiters is like one of your teammates is coming in. You know, he knows you're here. He wants to, like, say, what's up or something? I was like, all right, whatever. That's weird that they announced that to me. And so I'm just eating. I totally forgot that I had a teammate, get ready to pay. And the waiter's like, your food's taken care of.

And I'm like, what? Like, by who? And he was like, I'm not at liberty to say, but he's in the private room if you want to go, say, what's up? And so I was like, all right, whatever. So, like, it was, it was a room that was, like, covered with curtains. And so my dumb ass, like, open the curtain, like, with my head. Hi. Hello.

Hi, like, hi. You know, and sure enough, it's Tom with his kids. And I was like, oh, I didn't know you were here, you know? And I was like, I was like, you're trying to, like, one up me right now by paying. You're trying to, like, put your power on the table, you know, lay his thing on the table on me. in front of my wife, you know, you're basically paid for our date night. And it was in that moment that it was, that I realized, like, that's big bro. Like, that warm my soul that he was just looking out.

Like, it wasn't anything else but the kindness of his heart that, hey, like, I got my little bro here, like, take care of it for him just to show him love. Like, I love that story because that's who he is. He's always looking out for his guys. no matter what. He always goes to bat for him. And, you know, it just made my heart this melt for him because, like, he's looking out for a little bro. And I always love him for that. He's, he does that to this day. Like, he's always looking out. I've done that, like, once or twice in my life. If I had the Tom Brady Bank account,

I would be blessing people like, oh, wait, I met you at Starbucks, bro. Let me get that for you. But so I've had that done to me, too. And I hear you say at first you're like, wait a minute. I only got to pay for my meal. But then you're like, no, this is much more of a kindness. This isn't a flex. It's a kindness. It's like a not a respect. Yeah.

Thank you for everything you put in. You know, that's great. It's love. It's love. It's just like, you know, I'm looking out for you. Just know, like, you're my guy. Another story that I have real quick is the first time I met him. There's stories all the time where he introduces himself to anyone and everyone.

It doesn't matter if you're a practice squad guy. It doesn't matter if you're a vet and has played 20 years in the league. Like, he's done it to Debo where James Harrison's hated him his whole career. And then Tom introduced himself to James Harrison. And he, like, mean mugging him and, like, I hate you. But then you, like, you're around him and he, like, shakes your hand. And it's like, man, I love you. Like, I hate that.

Similar thing he did for me when I'm. met him after I got traded. You know, it's 5.30 in the morning. I got to get my physical. And of course, we, we see each other, like, in the restroom, like, washing our hands after we went pissed. And, you know, it's 5.30 in the morning. So, like, I'm tired.

He's tired. It hasn't said anything. But after he, like, you know, puts paper, he, good thing, he washed his hand and grab paper to clean it off. We know how nasty people are out there that don't do that. Wet hands. Yeah. He introduces himself right after like, hey, I'm Tom Brady.

Nice to meet you. Glad you're here. And I just am like, I know who your dumb ass is. Like, I know who you are. Like, you know, but it was just, again, that respect factor of him, you know, being so humble to just introduce himself. That's just who he is as a person. I'll never say anything bad about Tom Brady.

That dude is just. first class all the way around like he is who you see on TV like he's a very respectful dude like he he is just as real as it gets yeah I verify my only encounters

when he did that cameo on entourage and every crew member every the team's through anyone who came through it's eye contact how you do it like you know signing stuff and was just awesome but someone's got to take the shot when he does that

like, hi, how you doing? I'm Tom. Be like, what position do you play? Like, to start grilling, like, uh, who, yeah, who are you? Oh, Tom, okay. Another thing you used to do is wear, like, luxury robe. He wore this, like, white robe all the time with his slippers. Like, he was the king of the place.

In the locker room? In the locker room. He would wear this big-ass robe. Cozy. It was always like a pimp robe, man. I like that robe. I wish I had. stole the rope after like, you know, thinking about things. It's like I should have stole.

That's a cool thing. I will say last one. Sorry, I got so many. He had an extra locker next to his locker. And it was for anyone who wanted stuff signed. And it could be anybody in the building, you could put it there. And it may be done in a day or it may be done a month or a couple months. It's going to get signed at some point. He would take a couple minutes out of his day to sign autographs in the locker next to him. And I always respected that. I'm like, that's so dope. Dude, I've never, I'm sure people do that because, you know, teammates like that you could pretty much ask, but like, that's awesome. Like, that's a cool. It takes that pressure away of like wanting, it takes that uncomfortability. Like, you don't want to go off and be like, hey, Tom,

you think you can sign this for my kid? Just like, that's awesome. He crosses the line first. Yeah. You just dump it in during Christmas time when you got a bunch of jerseys. Like, I'm about to be the best uncle ever getting all these jerseys signed. But before we go, I got a couple of things for you, Jerry. All right. I'm on the KVN show right now. Let's go. I know you're like a huge Yankees fan.

I'm a huge Red Sox fan, so you'll start to hate me now. I know. do you feel a little bit disappointed that the fact that you guys have spent so much money to try to win the Red Sox habit and we're closer to winning than the damn Yankees are. Let's go. Let's go.

Listen, I think one of the biggest travesties of all time is how this thing has flipped. If you really go in the history, right, I was on easy street till 04, man. I made myself sit through that Red Sox Netflix doc about the 04 comeback. I said, you know what? If I could watch the Jeter doc, which is like Yankee porn, I'm going to, and I watched it. And you know what?

It flipped everything. If you just go look at the last 15, 20 years, it's all flipped. And I don't think they know how to fix it. I really don't. I think they're trying. And now we got Matt's Dodgers. Talk about spending money. My goodness.

I know. They're in a different. category. They're in a different category. Listen, I've been a born and raised a Diffon and Dodger thing. True. So, you know. True.

And you suffered. You suffered. Just like the Red Sox suffered. Um, yeah, I, I do think it was alarming. Like, you get rid of Mooky Bet. Like, you just like see all these players go out the door. And now you kind of have rebooted it though. But you're, you're on a good side of a reboot, you know?

Yeah. It's troubling for sure. My next question is who you're, you've watched sports a lot. Who have been like, favorite athletes that you've met over the years that you've liked. And then you got to do the other side. Who's been like a dick that you were like. I know one.

I'm not going to say the name, though. You do? Yeah. Go ahead. Many. I'm just wondering which one you talking about. Did someone like try you like kind of like big boy you? Because I, I, I.

Well, on the fortunate side, on the fortunate side with entourage. And this is something we've talked about many times on this show. And I've started to ask athletes because, you know, I always say it. Actors didn't look at entourage. Like, oh, like, they enjoyed it. But, like, for some reason, athletes related to it way more, like, the amount of athletes that have come up to me over the years and shown me love as opposed to, like, the actor you think would be like, hey, you're emulating what it's like for us.

It's almost like they play it too cool, you know? But I've had, like, I thought it was really cool to get love from Zion Williamson at a Knicks game. He came up. He's like, I watched, you know, I'm late to the show. show. I watched it while I was injured a whole year. It got me through my injuries. I enjoyed it. And I kind of asked him, I was like, what

is it that you liked? Because I always want to know why athletes more than anyone. And he was just like, I just having people in your corner that you could trust that are just not like outside of the organization inside. It just, that's everything. Jerry, you didn't answer the question.

Well, you're talking about who big boy? Who do you think, Matt? Tell me. He plays football. He plays football. ball. Oh, yes. Let's get it. Retired or current? He's, well, he's probably going to retire pretty soon. I mean,

he's a quarterback. Do I need to? I don't want to say the name. I'm not going to put it. I just don't know why I don't I don't, oh, we talk about Russ. Aaron, yeah. No, no, no, no. Oh, no. Russ. Can I, Russell Wilson. Let's just say Russ. You heard it here, Kyle.

Russ is in the entourage movie, right? He is the one through the past where Kevin Connolly broke his leg. Jerry's backpedaling right now. No, not. What I'm saying is like he was around. Like he brought us up to Seattle. We screened the entourage movie for the whole team.

So he was in the building. Was he unlimited? Was he unlimited as an honor? Let's say when the entourage movie didn't make hundreds of millions of dollars, it was deemed like success, but not nearly what we all thought it could have been. He was out.

He was out. Russ was just unfollowed. A real numbers got. PC answer right here. Was just out. He was out on us. Forget Russell Wilson. Kyle,

okay, we're gonna let you go. We have two quick things. You can be quick. Your MVP this year, because Stafford or May is probably going to be one of them. And you play, I tweeted out this week.

I think Stafford's one of the all-time greats if he wins another one. Yeah. You got a lot of sit for that one. I did. It was probably a little rich. Maddie Bayliss. He's turned it to skip Baylis,

baby. I, dude, I, I texted one of my boys who's, who's, I was like, hey, what do you think he goes,

he goes, dude, L. that's a little rich for my blood. I said, yeah, you're probably right. But whatever.

Good for you. Good for you. That and then, and then your thought, your quick thought on Miles Garrett's sack record, 16 games to 17 games, but you can be quick on both. What do you think?

Yeah. I think Stafford, just because, you know, everybody's going to say Drake May did, better with less, but he also played, you know, some of the teams he played, like the Jets at the end of the season, who's tanking, who's tanking and he's out there. They're tanking, throwing five picks, you know, stuff like that. Or Miami, I think, you know, who's cooked at the end of the year,

throwing the rock around. So I get it. He's in his second year, but Stafford, I think he's just been unreal this season, you know. Also, it's harder to do. To me, I also think about the target on the back. The Rams have a target. They were considered Super Bowl favorites from the start. And Matthew has been on that path of just bawling. Drake Maze has been a surprise.

I feel like you got to do it two years in a row unless you do something like Lamar Jackson did when he won it in his second year. That's just my thoughts. I think both would win. Miles Garrett I think he still did it with less attempts rushing on a shitty

versus when T.J. and Strayhand, they were both on better teams. Miles Garrett's done it on a shitbag team. He's one of the best to ever do it, man. Freak. I'll say this. I don't think I've been more impressed with another defender

besides him. Him and Aaron Rock, starring, Aaron Donald, yeah, are the teams that have, like, on a football field

have been so impressive. And then my little dog, Fred Warner, has aura, and then Julius Peppers and Marla Williams were like, holy shit,

I'm in the NFL with those kids, dudes, like, how did their moms have that dude, you know? Those are just so big,

but Miles Garrett's a freak. Like, he does stuff that, like, you can't teach. I mean, anytime you have in a game where he's running

from one side of the field over and the Titans have two guys that pick up and go over and pick up and go over. That's badass. That's it. That's hard bad. And still beating double teams,

probably still beating double teams. I think Aaron Donald, real quick, Aaron Donald, to me, to be able to do it as like a three technique or a shade inside at like

six one, like six. and 260. Yeah, and just rocked up to be able to play. They lied about his weight. Oh, that's, Jerry, it's freakish to be like, I don't even say small, but like that side. But for that position, he's undersized.

And to be the greatest ever dude is freaking wild, man. Dude, we appreciate you, man. This was awesome, dude. So fun. Thanks for having my week ago all day. And I have officially liked and subscribe to the Kyle Van Nuys show. Bring the road back. Maybe even go to Brady.

Get the Brady plushy. You should have did the show with the robe on. That would have been awesome. Are you going Super Bowl? Will you be out there? I will be out there. Will you be out there? Yeah, I'll see you.

I'll see you out there for sure. Let's go. Let's hang. Let's grab some food or something. Well, Jerry, Jerry's coming too, but he's having a baby that week. I got a baby due February 2nd, man. Congratulations. What number is it?

Three? Oh, you're tripping. Listen, dude, my life is crazy. Just to give you really snapshot, I'm wearing an old school Seattle, Supersonics, NBA Jamshar because my 7-year-old is a basketball nerd and every week he picks a team that we study. And right now I have to, I show them Sean Kemp highlights last night and I have to explain to a 7-year-old later why Seattle moved to OKC. I have to have this oral discussion with him. That was a tough.

Yeah, that was tough though. That was bad. Seattle's super solid. They need a team, man. They need a team. Elite uniforms. Remember NBA jam. loves the Sonics logo for summary.

Every kid responds to like the Sonics logo when they see it. He's obsessed with the in 2K. He uses the old Sonics when he plays 2K. Nice. Well, since he loves basketball, my underrated player I love going, you know,

growing up was Sharif Abdul Rahim. Great name. Vancouver Grizzly. So underrated. He's a beast. Such a baller. Such a beeks. He always flies under the radar.

Loved him growing up. Also, Matt, I do want to say how cool it was to see your post about your son. Oh, yeah. I know, I know how hard it is to, like, not watch your kids play, because I actually live away from my son during football season. Yeah. And the family in, so I miss his, I know he's only six and he's got,

he has a lot of football left. But I know exactly what you're feeling, you were feeling, but it was dope that you got to experience that, you know, shout out to you for being a good dad. That was dope. I appreciate, man. Yeah, I got to go, yeah, every, it's crazy, man, because going into freshman year with my job, and I love my job, and it's the best, and I'm grateful for it. But I was like, man, it's going to, I was thinking about his senior year, his freshman year. I was like, it is going to be the hardest thing to miss those games as a senior. I got to C2, and I got, and it all, you know, things happened

for a reason. It was a blessing. They made the CIF finals. They lost, but, like, I I got to get to his final game and I was there and he lost and I didn't even care, man. I was just like, I was so grateful to be there. And now, dude, this week where he's going to college, like that's the crazy. Tears will flow. Yeah. Oh, God, dude. I'm going to start crying right now.

Just thinking about it, dude. Like I'm, I just posted a video this week. Like my four-year-old learned how to ride a bike this week and he's crushing. Oh, congrats. And now I'm sending my 19-year-old to college. I'm like, dude, what is like, I am just, I'm grateful, man, for all of it. So I appreciate you saying that, dude. As you know, man, it's hard.

It's hard when you're away, but you feel like you're doing all of these things. I always, whenever I have the opportunity, I always try to give people flowers, especially when they open up about family situations or if they're doing a good job. And I just want to say kudos to you because, you know, we always hear about the other sides of dads and sides that, you know, that are bad, right? We don't give flowers to those that are being good dads that are there that are, you know, that do go unnoticed. And like you expressing your love for them in a public manner like that, I just wanted to give you props. I was dope.

I appreciate you, man. Well, we got three great dads on here. Jay is a great dad. I know you are. And, you know, I think they respect our hustle and what we do and everything we try to do to provide for them. And that's what I think about with Cole, you know, like he understands. He knows why I was gone. He understands what I'm trying to do for the family.

So appreciate you, man. We'll go out and go out with a man. Yeah. We'll see you up in San Fran, dude. Joining the show, Annie Agar, she always does courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Andy, joining us from Chicago, a place that I'm not sure she really wants to be right now as a Packer fan. How many people have come up to you this week and been like, Annie, how are you?

Well, I haven't left my apartment, so I wouldn't know. You're hiding. Oh, my, that was atrocious, like the worst 24 hours of my life. And I, guys, I was walking home for, because I went to a bar. So everybody was roasting me for going to a Bears bar when I'm in Chicago. Every bar is a Bears bar. But they don't understand. All my friends are Bears fans.

I wanted to watch with my friends. And they're very passionate Bears fans. So I sacrificed and went to this bar with them. And it was brutal. I've never. It was like me and two other guys, maybe that were Packers fans. But I left the bar. I told my friends, if we lose this game, because toward the end, obviously, it didn't look good.

So I told them, like, I'm going to start crying. So I have to leave. And they thought I was joking. I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. So I left the bar. Like I say goodbye, I left the bar. The amount of honking and F the Packers that I got on my walk home, the five-minute walk-home from that bar, was literally enough to send me to therapy for 30 years.

It was at a truce. I feel like I want to laugh and cry at the same time for you. Now I can, now I think it's fun. Like, I don't know, you know. Were you watching her posts, Matt? Like, DeWallel. Because I was seeing them. I was worried.

I was like, I was, I was, I honestly, because I said I was going to FaceTime you and I was like, I can't FaceTime. I had a moment to myself from like, this would be wrong. I was going to face time you at the end too, just to make it a little more dramatic. And I was like, no, I can't do that. Because I know. Yeah. No. But we were thinking about you during the game.

I sent you a little text this week just to check on you. Listen, you're here. You're here with us. It's a new day. Let me ask you just a big picture question. Obviously, the Packers think underachieving. I even saw LaFleur talk today about maybe getting traded. Like, they might trade LaFleur or something.

Yeah, I don't know if that was real, but like I'm seeing that. You're also seeing that with some other coaches. Just a recap of the year. And how you're feeling going in the off season. I read another thing that they're going to lose a ton of players this year. They're over the cap. I don't think we can pay. Like, it's not a great, like, look ahead for them.

So overall thoughts. Well, the biggest one is with LaFleur, everybody's saying, you know, everybody is calling from me, fired on social media. Maybe me included. But the issue is, like, who do you get better? And the only answer is Harbaugh. But Harbaugh also jokes as well. So it's like a catch-20.

I mean, I think he's a great coach. Like, he's a great offensive-minded coach. He just, I don't know what's with the leadership and coaching scared in the second half and that was the big issue like he just can't he can't go after a team and just put the pedal down and say yeah we're just going to demolish his team and he's and i think he's just a kind of a passive guy like that like this whole ben johnson thing calling him out and yeah and he just doesn't like i want this man to go to war with the with the bears but i just don't know if he will so overall it's not like the positive aspect is jordan love is it and everybody that says he did not

perform four touchdowns like that man is amazing um and so that gives me hope and mike coming back healthy and I know we got like I think we gotta get rid of like Rishon. Gary doesn't do it like there's just some guys that just don't they're not cutting it. And unfortunately the guys that are the guys are not going to be able to pay. So I'm not feeling overly confident. It was like a rougher year than I thought. That Brown's loss probably capitalized the whole thing. But yeah, I think we're okay. I think we're in an okay. What if the bears go on and win the Super Bowl? As of, would you be like, okay, at least we lost to the Super Bowl champ or would you be miserable? I think I'd be miserable.

Yeah. I mean, I love, like, I love NFL fans, but Bears fans been rough this week, so that would make it a lot rough. Here's something I kind of noticed, and we're not going to get into the fourth downplay, which for you must have just been devastating. Right. Just because, like, you think you had a lot. Sorry, go ahead. You know, no, but here's an analogy with what I saw from Caleb. this is not going to make sense until you really peel it back

because the playing style is not close. Matt, just real quick, Matt tweeted out that that was like insane. And I thought it was insane, but I don't know. Jerry does not think we had this debate for like 30 minutes. I think it was amazing. He thinks it was a good throw. I was like, wow. What I'm going to say is he gave me like Eli Manning vibes.

What I mean by that is like, uh-oh, here he comes. Like Eli had that like he's not really looking that good. He threw a bad pin and all of a sudden, the switch flips like, uh-oh, here comes Eli. Caleb now has this, uh-oh, here comes Caleb. And when that's happening, all bets are off because that dude went to another level. And I know Eli, they have no playing style at all. But you, I would probably compare it a little more to Mahomes.

Like, not, I mean, Mahomes is in a different stratosphere. But, like, does he really like go to sleep? Caleb, Caleb slept for the whole first half. Any time in the fourth quarter, if the chiefs are. down. You're like, well, Mahomes going to turn it on. Guaranteed. Caleb is not there yet, but he's shown this year that's like, hey, the fourth quarter, he just, he freaking turns it on, which is crazy. Yeah, I get your point. I mean, you know this. Like, Koji, you can scheme up guys, but to have the athleticism to make a throw like that, that's what scares me. Like, that man. And the other big

winner besides Caleb and Ben Johnson and the bears, like all the, and I'm kind of one of them. I think I asked Greg Olson, like, why on earth would you take Loveland over one? And I think we saw why. And they're kind of different play styles. Loveland was insane that game. I mean, we all knew that that's what it could be. And he showed it in the biggest moment possible. He was insane.

Like, I always talk about, like, for the, like, you rooting against the bears. Like, who is scaring you the most on offense for the bears while you were watching that game? A lot of them have stepped up, too. Like, Luther Burden look really good. And as of late, like, yeah, Loveland was probably pretty scary. Their run game, I thought, like, Manungi. and I thought they'd be like we shut them down pretty well. Yeah.

So that's what scared me the most. And they're only getting better. That's the bummer. Yeah. And we can move on from the Packers talk, though. It's okay. There are other teams guys. Listen, you had a great year.

Great year. You're always, you had a great year. You're always, you're the queen of the content with all this stuff. And, you know, listen, it's another year. It's hard to win. It's hard to win Super Bowls. And now I can watch the playoffs without being stressed out. Yes.

That's the only. The only thing before we do trivia, Annie, I hate to do this to someone who's grieving a little bit, but you're sitting and you're back in the hot seat again with trivia. Everyone liked your performance from last week. Oh, geez. So maybe you could, you know, find a good thing to focus on for the rest of the week with the W. The only other thing I wanted to mention is someone here. That shot would almost felt like an inadvertent cutaway to the Eagles sideline on that fourth down

when they called the timeout, which some say they shouldn't have called. And it was Siriani, the OC, and Jalen Hertz huddled up. And they, Siriani literally looked at all them and went, that's what you want to do? Like, it just looked like they were, they were. Yes, because it's the same damn play. They called three times in a row basically.

I just feel like they shouldn't have cut to that. Like, we weren't supposed to see that much inside of. Poor Kevin Petulow. They, I had no, after I saw that, I said, there is no way in hell this fourth down is getting converted. No. They don't even know. And Jalen Hertz kind of walked away like,

coverage. He walked away like, all right, we'll do, all right, we'll do that. Yeah. Like, I just, it was a while. Somebody tweeted out, they said, I want Jalen Hertz to rip that speaker out of his helmet immediately. Oh, so bad. Poor Kevin. But apparently in an interview or something, Kevin came out and said he's just, like, people have been so mean to him.

And I, like, I don't, I mean, that would be a rough. But it's, it's also your job. It's your job. You're the coordinator for the, yeah. I mean, it's comes of a territory. And if you have two plays, you call consistently, dude, like, open up the playbook. Oh. Are we ready for some twisted trivia brought to you by Twisted T.

Just to be fair, too, if we do pictures again, I think we should close our eyes because I don't want to win on technicality. We're going to do that for the YouTube audience. Matt and Annie will close their eyes until I'm certain the pictures up and then I will say open. That's a good note. Annie, we're going to, the theme of this week. Sorry, Annie. We're trying here. The theme is 2010, which happens to me the last time.

the Packers won the Super Bowl. Oh, gosh. Okay. Also, the last time they played the Bears in the playoffs, they beat them 2114 in the conference championship. Okay. So that's the era, that's the vibe we're going for with the questions. Okay.

So get yourself in that mindset. Take a second. 2010. 10, Aaron Rogers. Here we go. Okay. Question one. Who was the Packers leading receiver?

Craig Jennings. That's one. That's one. That's one. It was Greg Jennings. That was, yes. Maddie. That was good.

Matt's back in 2010. He's in there. Okay. Number two. Brandon Jackson was the Packers leading rusher with 703 yards that year. Who was second? Oh, my gosh. There is a hint available.

You want to hit Annie? You want to guess? No, I'll take the hint. Let's do a hint. Okay. Get ready. This hint could open some things up. Let's just say he wasn't a running back.

What was the, say it again, the lead, the second. Brandon Jackson was the Packers leading rusher with 703 yards. Who was second on the team? Wasn't a running back. Not a running back. You guys could crack this. Come on. 703 yards is not a monster rushing year.

So it's a number that's less than that. Who is their little scat received? Who do they have? Rushing yards. We need another hint. Yeah. Okay. This is what, be ready.

Is he going to give it away? Yes. I think we're at that point. This player has one league MVP. Is it Aaron? Correct. I was going to guess Aaron, but I thought there's no way. I don't know.

I don't have this rushing step. That makes sense. He probably had, what, 400 yards or something? Yeah, like 703 wasn't a Derek Henry season, so it wasn't a hard. Brandon Jackson was the leading rusher for their Super Bowl team. That's wild. All right. Final question.

It's won a piece right now. What stadium was that Super Bowl 45 played in? Oh, I feel like 2010, Annie, this is your pride. You're like probably just watching every moment. This I thought for sure you got. I had this going this way. I think Matt getting the first. Yeah.

Well, I had you winning two out of three of these. Oh, no. I'm going to, I'm going to say, I'm going to say Indianapolis. Incorrect. incorrect. It was a newer stadium, very new, and it was their first Super Bowl there at the new stadium. What in the world? That's a tough hint. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. That counts. That counts. Yeah. I'm trying not to give it dead away. I'm trying to give you a shot here, Matt.

If she doesn't guess, then we're back on a level playing field here. Correct. I'll give you like a solid, I'll give you like a solid seven seconds. You get a free guess. I don't know I don't know Okay All right Let me try to think of this next In 2010 and newer things Okay

Matt when I guess should be in No no we're back now We're back now Now pay attention Because I got to open this up a little bit Okay Wait it was brand new that year Just I don't know if it was like brand new

That year but it was very new And then never hosted a Super Bowl No because it was new And it's not a place That's typically a Super Bowl Has ever been played it I don't think I have any shirts or anything that say it on there. I have the New Orleans one.

Okay. Okay. They famously, all right, let me figure out how to word this. Their stadium has a big scoreboard, like a big, a big, like it was known for like the. Dallas? Oh, you got correct. Correct. It was in Dallas?

It was in Dallas. And you want to know what? I was at that Super Bowl. That's a shitty win for me, but I'll take it. I was at that Super Bowl and the weirdest thing was. It hadn't snowed in Dallas and like forever. It was like 25 degrees in snowing in Dallas the whole time. People didn't know what they wanted to do.

Stadium opened in 2009. So it was a very Jerry World. I didn't want to say, uh, blank world. Maddie with you. Annie, this is a bad week for you. Because now we're going to pictures. We got two photos, right? Two photos.

How did I not know that? I thought for sure you would have like... I was looking back at the... That was probably a core child of memory. The Super Bowl shirt I have doesn't have. It just has... I thought that would have been a core child's memory. I could have...

I kind of swore as Indy. But all right. Go ahead. No, Giants was Indy 2011 against the Pat second time. Right there. All right. We are going to picture time. So you guys are going to close your eyes. Once I feel like the picture is up there, I'm going to tell you one, two, three.

Open. What's the score right now? Matt's got to win two. You got to win two. You got to run the table here. All right. Close the eye. Let's get the first picture on the screen.

Okay. One, two, three. Open. Clay Matthew. AJ Hawk. Oh, AJ Hawk. What are my...

Why did I say Clay Matthews? He fumbled it. I didn't even hear him. In his defense, they both have long blonde hair. What? An upset that one was. My old teammate. And I know, I mean, what am I doing here?

Wow. It's weird now with the eye opening. I just looked and I was like, oh, that's Clay Matthews. That was huge because I thought Matt could have iced it right there So it's two to Annie I know the next picture You have a real opportunity here

To shock the world Okay Dude damn it Eyes closed please I just ruin that This is a real opportunity Picture up please Okay

I'm nervous Here we go Three two one open I'm Jordan Nelson Geordy Nelson is correct Annie ain't She's done it too. She's done the impossible.

She's upset the trivia goat, Matt liner. God, I knew him. I couldn't get the name out. Great job. I should not. I was not the underdog here. We wanted to make you feel good today, Annie. I will say this, Annie. I did not try and let you win. So therefore you got yes. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. You got me. Clay Matthews, God, that was, I fumbled that.

Dude, that was like, yeah, that was like the Packers' Fourth quarter. It's a fumble, but like, you know, you saw a white guy with interesting hair. You want to get the answer out quickly. I could see how you could make. No, it was, damn it. If you put Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk and like Anzlone back to back to back from behind, I would not be able to tell you guys. It's tough.

It's tough. Well, congrats. We appreciate you, Annie. Go enjoy the rest of your week. Get out of the house a little bit. Thank you. Yeah. And just move on.

You've moved on. You're better now. I will say I went to the grocery store last night and this guy came up to me, a little older guy. He came up to me and he gave me a hug and he said, I'm so impressed that you went to a bar to watch that kid. And then he just walked away. It was so sweet. It is very impressive.

What do you do for the next couple weeks? You just chill, right? I mean, there's no anxiety, but do you watch your house? You just go to the bar. Your full content, you know. Yeah, you're full. We'll see at the Super Bowl. It's just all content now.

Yep. And I'll be at Super Bowl. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're going to do a show or something. We're doing something. Yeah. So stay tuned, guys.

Let's go. Let's go. It's good. Super Bowl content. All right. I was going to cue up some sad music like, it's been a. Oh, my friends already did that.

My friends put the classical like ode to joy over me crashing out at the bar. It's a great time. Well, if you see Annie Agar out there in the streets of Chicago, you just leave that young lady alone and let her go about her business. Thank you, Twisted T. Annie, have a good rest of the week. Thank you, guys. You too. Yeah.

All right. Thanks to everybody for listening. Big shoutouts. Thank you to Kyle. Kyle. What a great time. You never know if you're going to get 20 minutes or 50 minutes when you do these shows. He did a solid 40.

And next week, Matt, we got to start talking about our Super Bowl trip. And I'm going to need some audience help here. Yeah, dude. I might farm out like boy names for baby number three. You should put it out there and just see. Let's coming in like a few weeks. We got zero boy names. Let's let the fans vote for your next baby.

I feel like Eli or Jalen is probably going to be a high vote getter. He's like, if I know my fan base. Oh, man. All right. Thanks, everybody. We're back next week.