Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - LeBron, Brady, Ryan and The Greatest Uncs Of All-Time Plus Jordan and the GOAT Clutch Performers

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara picked the perfect time to settle the debate: who is the most clutch player of all-time? Okay that’s not much of a debate everybody knows it’s Michael Jordan, but who else is on the list? And what are the greatest clutch performances of all-time as well? Spoiler: Jordan has a few of those too.   Plus, inspired by LeBron James’ ridiculous performances in the NBA Playoffs this year, Matt and Jerry decided to choose their all-time greatest Uncs. Those real OGs who kept beating father time somehow well into the 40s. They find the great Uncs from all over sports, including MMA, boxing, MLB, NHL and beyond. And finally, Matt breaks down what truly makes a player CLUTCH.    New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsor:    Ka’Chava: Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS for 15% off your first order.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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They want to be on the mound. When the moment is at its like apex, it's like, man, that's where we thrive the most. All right, welcome to another episode of throwbacks. Please do us the solid. Go over to the YouTube Throwback Show. Give us a subscribe there at Throwback Show. on all social platforms. We like having fun with you online.

Matt. What a baby? How we doing, man? We're in the throes of like NBA playoffs and early baseball. I'm struggling with my Knicks because I... Why? I just like... You are the funniest...

Too much pressure, man. Yeah, you're the funniest follow on social media during the next play. You're unhinged. And you're like... There's so much, like, reverse psychology going on and there's so much. I want, I want this media head to keep talking. Colin Coward, keep talking. I'm like, part of me's like, Jerry, no one really gives too shit, bro.

Like, no one, but you're like feeding the machine because it makes you feel that it's so. Here's what I don't, dude. Here's what I don't want because I cannot take, like, I respect Colin Cowherd. I think having you and a mic for three hours a day alone for a hundred years, that is hard. He does it at the highest level. And I get you got to fish for things to talk about. I don't want him all the sudden waking up when they be like, hey, you know who has a real shot at winning the title is the Knicks? And so you think that's the reason why the Knicks are going to lose?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't want them waking up on first take going, you got to believe in. No. No, I don't want any of that. That's not how the universe works, dude. Just sit back and enjoy it. This is the thing.

You get yourself all stressed out. You're like a ball of like just like, like, like, like, like, like, you're like, Like, dude, let it go, bro. Just enjoy the ride. I barely survived. They're playing great basketball. That makes me so nervous. And you hate Philly more than anybody.

So, yeah, it's like, it's good, dude. I'm rooting for your Knicks, bro. I'm rooting for your Knicks. My Lakers don't have a shot, but it's okay. We're going to talk a little bit about your Lakers later, but in an interesting way because, you know, even though they are not going to win that series, unless something wild absolutely happens.

But we have to talk about what LeBron has done and is doing. But also today, we are going to get into clutch performances. We started talking about this in an NBA way where, you know, we're on the anniversary of Reggie Miller. That was a clutch performance, even though it broke my heart. Michael Jordan with the shot, all that stuff. So we really wanted to do it in a throwback sense. We're going to get into some not only NBA, but clutch performances and performers across the entire sports landscape. If you think about what Reggie Miller did, just on just, take a step back and be like, just in all sports,

it could be the greatest clutch performance of all time in sports in a matter of eight seconds. Yeah, because I don't think it or not or all that. Like, obviously, like, it's just, but it's like you really think about what he did in that moment. It's pretty ridiculous. Nowadays, too, Matt, like, no lead is safe. We've seen that with NBA playoffs,

especially with like the Pacers and Halliburton did last year. The Knicks coming back twice from 20 down. So, like, I think when teams are like up nine with a minute and a half left, no, you're not really chilling. You're happy, but you're still stressed. The Lakers had that against the Rockets last series. Lakers had against the Rockets. They were down seven or eight with like 40 seconds left or whatever. Back then, when you had like an eight, nine point lead with a minute or less to go, it's a wrap, bro.

No one shot there. It's a wrap. It's over. Yeah. That's a pretty, yeah. Sorry, buddy. I know that. No. So that obviously lives on.

And the other thing I wanted to point out before we fully dive in is, you know, I'm obsessed with that Michael Jordan Craig Yulo shot, right? If you think about it like a Marvel movie, that really was like the big bang moment for everything we were going to see with Michael Jordan going forward, right? That's like his, you know, his creation story in some ways. But what bugs me out, Matt, is, you know, I live in Cleveland now and the Cavs used to play at the Richfield Coliseum. So for those of you don't know, like downtown Cleveland is where everything is. It's a great layout for sports. Everything's near each other. But they decided back in the day to put this Coliseum in between Cleveland and Akron in the middle of nowhere, where there was like two restaurants.

And it was a lot. So it's gone, obviously. But I drive that route quite often. And there's even like an ice cream shop along that route. Matt, I drive in and on Google Maps, it pops up the historic Richfield Coliseum. and I look to the left where Google Maps is telling me it is, and it's a cornfield. So I want to go out there with a film crew,

and I want to, with the blueprints of the old Coliseum in the cornfield, and I want to find the exact spot where Michael Jordan hit that shot over Craig Yelo, and I want to bring out a mini-hoop, and I want to make a shot on that spot. The only difference is you're not going to be able to jump. I'm not going to do a jump after I make it. You're going to be cemented to the... the cornfield. That'd be dope.

Do you think I make it on the first attempt is also? Yeah. Well, is this a Jordan Jammer hoop? Is it like eight feet? By the way, Jordan Jammer heavily graded. Greatest, greatest Christmas gift of all time outside of the next box. All right. So we're going to dive in.

That'd be cool. You mentioned your Lakers. What LeBron is doing is obviously historic and unbelievable. And it really got us talking the other day offline about, you know, he's Unk, right? Who are some of the greatest unks? Obviously, LeBron's one of the greatest players, so he's almost overqualified for the Unk. But we started then talking, let's make our all-time throwback Unc team. All right?

This is a guy or girl, whatever, could be anti that you want on your squad, even though he's, what, do you think the age limit is? It's kind of like, what, like 37 and up? I mean, I went, I just went 40 and up because. 40 and up. I mean, because I think if you get into 30s, the list gets bigger and bigger. and you can just, yeah, because, like, you could even, like, there's tons of quarterbacks right now in the league that's over 35 playing really well. Stafford, Roger, like, there's so many guys, right?

So I think 40s, I think, because once you hit 40, we, both you and I know, everything just starts breaking down. So the fact that these athletes can just almost be at their best in their 40s is just ridiculous. So, yeah, I went just 40 and up. All right. Well, let's get into our all-time throwback, unk squad, we'll call it. Would you like to go ring the bell first? Yeah, I'm just going to give my list of guys. You want me to give my all my full list?

Yep. So one of them, Yarmere Yager, Yager. Yarmere Yager. Like it. At 44, he led his team in scoring at 44 in the NHL. In the NHL. He's older than you, bro. But I had to look to listen to this, dude.

At post 40, he played 282 games in the NHL. he just recently scored a goal for his team that he currently owns cladno a check team at 52 years old so he's still playing professional i think he's done now he's still playing professional hockey not in the nchel um 38 professional seasons as a hockey player 38 that's almost my entire age um you think he's on peptides he's got to be on the peptides right he's on something, dude. But he scored a professional hockey goal at 52. 52, dude. Think about that. I'm old enough to remember. We talk about the NHL video games all the time. I remember like rookie young. Younger. Younger is playing with Mario Lemieux. Mario Lemieux. Yeah, Mario LeMew. He's still

playing. So he's up there. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on Tom Brady, but Tom Brady is probably the king of unc. I, right? I won a Super Bowl at 43, I think 44, Tampa Bay. Everybody said he was going to fall off a cliff at some point and he just he's unc goat. Yeah, he's ungoe. LeBron's unkote. This is, I got two left. This one, this one I love. And you're going to love this one.

Randy Couture. You talk about 42. Was he 42 when he won the title? One of two fighters over 40 to ever win a UFC title. Wild. He did it four times. The only fighter to win a title after being put in the Hall of Fame. and he retired at 47.

And I also trained with him one offseason. I went to his place in Vegas. I trained with Randy Couture. Awesome, dude. Think about, think about this, dude. Think about you. What are you, 44? You're 45? 46.

You're 46, bro. Going into the octagon and trying to beat the shit out of Seth Green or somebody. At 46 years old. I mean, that would happen. That was a bad example what you just said. No offense. I love Seth Green. That's my boy.

but he ain't, Matt, I have a problem like wrestling with my two kids. I have to be like, yeah, yeah, chill, chill, chill, stop. Can you imagine being 47 years old going in the octagon and just, like, hey, let's just get the pick out of us today. I'm going to post my video of me and Randy Couture in the octagon, just doing a little mitt work, and you could just see how nervous I was. Dude, I was at his place in Vegas and I was, I would never get, I was playing catch with Vitor Belfour, remember him?

We were playing football. and his son, this is years ago, his son is a quarterback, I believe in high school or college now. It was pretty funny. All right, my last one, I think he's Mount Rushmore, Go. Where do you think I'm going with this?

I feel like you're going to go another individual sport. No. Okay. Nolan Ryan. Oh. Oldest pitcher ever to lead the league in strikeouts. He was in his 40s.

At 44, he threw a seventh no-hitter. At 44 years old, he threw a no-hitter. And at 46 years old, maybe the greatest baseball fight of all time. Robin Ventura charges him and he just beats the bricks off at 46 years old. And then you watch that doc with Nolan Ryan. You're just like, man, this guy is just one of those dudes. So Nolan Ryan is up there, LeBron, Brady. I put Randy Couture.

I thought that was pretty cool in Yarmary, Yager. I feel like Nolan Ryan threw out the first pitch a few years back and it still was like low 80s. I just, I just like at 46 years old, like to be, to be, especially back then, dude, like back then you didn't have like, like, like LeBron and Brady, like, you can take care of your body. You have all of this stuff now. But like, no one Ryan in the 80s or whatever, like you don't have, you didn't, you just like, these guys are just getting up smoking cigs, drinking alcohol, going, you know, going to pitch a no hitter and then going back and doing it again.

Like there wasn't, there wasn't the access that you have now to be able to take your body. So it's a lot harder back then, I think, to have. that sort of longevity. It's a great list. That's odds, bro. We had some overlap, but I have, well, I'm going to go, this is like my number one.

It's an individual sport similar to Couture and everything you just said. But again, a little more, you see Randy Couture do it in your 40s. You're blown away, but like you said, he's able to take care of his body

in such a different way. George Foreman, bro. Yeah. George Foreman, winning the heavy weight title at what four, I think he was my eight. He was 45 and like two months, like two months to go before his 46th birthday. I remember where I was when I watched that fight. No one gave him a chance. Michael Moore, young, big old strong lefty. And I don't know, that to me was shocking. I don't think back

then you had many 40-year-old anything's playing. Those are the days where like, if he blew out your Achilles, your career was over. I think he's the oldest in like what Bernard Hopkins was 50. And then Bernard Hopkins is the other one. He's like the highest and boxing person who ever took such good care of himself. And also he was so good defensively. He never really got hit. The George Foreman Grill got me through college, bro. The George Forman Grill.

Well, you think about that motherfucker fought Muhammad Ali. And now he's like winning the belt years later. He fought Muhammad Ali at like 1980 and then fought someone in 2002. I just think that's the most insane. And I think he would have been a cool. He's just a cool unc to me. I think Chalios winning the cup at 46 years old.

There's a lot of hockey guys on this list. Which is crazy. Football hockey and boxing, it's crazy. Because those are the sports where you could literally die. I mean, you could die in any sport. But literally those are the sports where wrong thing happens. You putting Chelyos on your squad? I'm putting Chely on there, man.

Because I liked your Yager call. I feel like I had a follow up. I think we got to put Kareem on there. I would be remiss to, like, talk about, you know, Perim was pretty old. He happened to have the most unstoppable shot ever, and he just kind of kept that going.

And then, like, I tried to get my head around Kelly Slater. I don't know anything about surfing. That dude still wins massive surfing competition. Did you really just go Kelly Slater? Oh, you did. I did the research. I can't, I can't get there. Probably the greatest. Yeah, I mean, a surfer.

You have to give shoutouts to Phil Mickelson, winning a major at 15 years old and then I ended it with like John Elway kind of unkish I just also look at Unk as like you want him to still be good but you also want it to be like hey Unk tell us what this was like

when you bought Ollie you want the young guys to be like tell us what it was like when you play Joe Montana you know I know I know there's that I think the thing with Elway like he is Mr. Unk because he's just he's just an badass but it's like you see all these quarterbacks doing it more and more like Stafford, Aaron Rogers, Joe Flacco. So that's why outside of Brady winning a Super Bowl at 43 and already being the go and just

kind of saying F you to like leaving the Patriots like that's why I didn't put any of those other quarterbacks on the list because we're seeing it more and more now. Like Brett Farr was 41 or two, I think when he retired and he was still playing at a high level. I like to George Ford. I just feel like he doesn't make Unk too because like Brett Farr of like, I feel like, hey Brett tell us what it was like and he'd be like I don't know

I feel like Brad would be like fuck you get away from me we got practice you know I want Unk to be someone that the young people yeah like when you walk

when you walk in a room and you see and you're a UFC fighter and you see Randy Coutor you're like holy fuck that's that's the OG yeah I gotta get

I gotta get a tidbit from this guy yeah like that's that's Randy Coutor I think when you walk in a room and it's football you see Tom Brady like you're like you know you're just

just like, holy shit, that's Tom Brady. You might not feel that with some of the hockey guys just because, like, Chellios is a G, man. Like, I can name that whole Detroit Red Wing squad back in the day. And I've hung out with him. That's someone you definitely will be like, hey, Chellens. Give me an ask, ask him a question. Hockey guys are built different, dude.

Hockey guys are built different, man. You know who it was kind of a good unk? It just, football's so bizarre too, but this would have been my, Whitworth had unk vibes when he won that last Super Bowl with the Rams. you know, like he had... He's got like grandpa vibes. This is my dog. Yeah, oldest linemen to win a...

Like, he had... By the way, he had... To be a lineman and play that... The longevity, not missing games, to play at a high level. Yeah, I mean, that's hard to do. There's so many guys. Well, I tried... Ovechkin still.

I see Eddie put Kurt Warner in there. I don't know, Matt. You played with him. Would you have described Warner as like unk material? I don't know. He's more... drunk now to me the way he wants to to like talk to the younger guys. I mean, I used

to call Kurt Warner Pops. He was Pops man, because he was old as shit when I was 23. He was 30. 34 or 35? No, he was like 38 or 39. Oh yeah, that's right. When I was 20, when I was a rookie, yeah, he was 38 and he played, I don't know if he got to 40.

We can maybe look that up, but he was right there. He definitely had he had grandpa pop because he had like five kids. I'm like, dude, we couldn't have been more polar opposite when I first came in and then we then we got real tight obviously the years got vibe can I pitch you some acting unks because I feel like these days whenever I do get on a set which is not as often these days but I feel like I got unc vibes I'm not like the LeBron unc where

I was like some great actor but like you know you could I'm approachable I can still get the job done but you want to come up and ask me about a story about hey what was it like to work with Clint Eastwood all right come here kid so I was trying to figure out what actors would be good unks, right? And I was trying to, criteria was like, they were like big in their 20s, maybe cooled off for a minute

and then resurged a little bit and now you just won them around. I think Keanu is like all time. Dude, all time. Right? Like, he's, what an,

there's aura about that guy. Well, that's what I was going to say. Like, Keanu's done great movies. He's also never been like, like, like he's probably never winning an Oscar,

right? Like, he's kind of always, like, But it's like, no negative stories about that dude anywhere. Like he's got this aura around him. It's like you never hear about him unless he's driving. He's in this New York subway.

Like you see those pictures where he's giving someone money or like. He's just hanging out. Yeah. He kind of always looks disheveled. Roll solo. Yeah. And he's like he's got this or like, but that's like that's John Wick, dude. Like that's Matrix.

Yeah. That's like like. And then I go back to like speed and like the replacements. Point break. Point break. And you look at like, like the dude, the dudes, the dudes, the dude's got on vibes. He's got onk vibes. Like, McConaughey has that for me as well a little bit because like someone you can watch

the game way, also good actor still. McConaughey keeps in shape. Is there not a bigger turnaround of genres than Matthew McConaughey? You start out and you go the rom-com king, right? Like all the rom-coms he did, he did whatever, the one Kate Hudson. He had the one J-Lo. He had multiple. And then he sort of.

switched gear and he wins an Oscar for what Dallas Byers Club. Dallas Byers Club. He's in Wolf of Wall Street. He's a true detective and wins of re-ersterler. Like he like he just did this full like you know this better than me. Like you get typecast as a certain type of role

and it's hard to get out of that but he goes from rom-com to like just an OG like sports guy who can just go in and do anything. Here's another one. I want to give you another one before you give me a story. No, I got a few. I love this. This one's this one, how about Adam Sandler?

Because you look at, think about this. Interesting. Think about this. Adam Sandler is awesome. He's Adam Sandler. Happy Madison. He don't give two shits. He makes all these funny movies.

But all of a sudden, he does uncut gems. And all of a sudden, he does hustle. And it's like, it puts some, it's like when you're watching, you're like, man, I'm just used to Adam Sandler doing Happy Gilmore and all this sort of that. Waterboy. But, yeah, water. I mean, all of them, you name it. He's done a.

hundred funny-ass movies. And then you like... This is interesting, Matt. This is interesting. You're like, so like, is it Unk? Like, Sandler's Mount Rushmore of comedy, unc, like, whatever, right? But it's like, the dude just said,

screw it. I'm gonna do some of these crazy. And fucking, they're great. Like, hustle's awesome. Uncut Jems was great. And you're like, that's Sandler? Damn. Let me push this a little...

Let me push this a little further. I love this. This is what I love. I know you do. Is Adam Sandler, the acting version of of LeBron. Hear me out. Hear me out.

I mean, no one's, like, made more money. No one's movies, really. His movies have made tons of, if you go back to his late 20s, 30s, his movies in the theater made millions and millions of dollars. Then he kind of, so that's almost like his Cleveland run. Then he starts, like, the Netflix stuff

where he's getting giant deals. And you're right. Every now and then, like, you see Adam Sandler, now like in a comedy you're like that's a Sandler movie like LeBron alright that's LeBron he's kind of going through the motions a little bit we see it he's having fun but then he pops up in those movies like you said

and it's like oh it's like a vintage LeBron performance holy fuck do you see Sandler in the Clooney movie right LeBron looked out for Brani Sandler's daughter has a movie on Netflix right now and always hires his friends always I see it yeah he always

hires his friends Sandler is to unc movies as LeBron is to unk bass. I love it, Matt. I like that, dude. What a great, what a great call. That's interesting. And Sandler, and Sandler hoops, too. He hoops. And a guy that I feel like is approachable enough. If you're in a Sandler movie, I feel like you're going to get some stories.

You're going to get a nugget. I got in a Sandler movie. It's like one of my best. That's right. How's funny? Did you, how much interaction did you have with Sandler? Oh, dude. It was, I, I don't remember how it all came out, but. Maddie, come here. Throw the ball. No, dude, it's the greatest, I should, the greatest thing is like, go for it. I get asked to go in the house bunny, and it was Anna Ferris. Anna Ferris, entourage at home. Yeah.

Yeah, so we, so the one day I'm there, I do one scene. And, of course, it's a pool scene, dude, where I'm, like, shirt off and all the shit. I'm like, damn, dude, like, I'm going to have to work out for this. I think it was my rookie year. It was early. It was my rookie year or something. And somehow, some way, like, he's like, he wants me in it. So I'm in it.

I'm in it. My scene is with Sean Salisbury. It's me, Sean. Anna is in the same. and maybe one other like kind of extra right like one of her friends and the extra someone and we're just shooting a pool scene a pool party scene and uh and i walk in and sandler's there and you know it's a movie set and there's tons of people and i'm like just in my board shorts and he's like maddie looks like you've been working out buddy like you know i was like i was like i was like looking

okay you know like i'm not i wasn't like too confident in my body but i was like fuck whatever dude and uh yeah so that and then i do the scene i had a line and i had to throw a football at someone in the pool. It was fucking great, but I walked by and I'm like, and the best story about that is my mom is there with Cole. Cole's like one or two at the time. And my mom, Demi Moore, because I think rumor was in the movie. Demi, my mom and Cole were all kind of hanging in the front yard, like babysitting Cole or, you know, like hanging out. Like it's a movie set. Like it's at the Playboy Mansion. It was just massive. So it's a really cool, my claim to fame. I still get residual checks on that. You just, you know,

Usually they're about like, they're like pennies, you know, like a nickel or a quarter, but it's pretty cool. So I wasn't a, I wasn't a Sandler movie. Claim to Fame. Yeah. I think, I think that's the order. It's too much going on, man. I think it's, I think it's Sandler one, Keanu 1A, and then a McConaughey case. You look at, you look at Sandler.

There's never been like, like, Sandler's just Sandler. There's never been like a dip. There's never been like, oh, a crazy story that, like, he's just Sandler's fucking. He just produces and does all these. fucking great comedies. And then all of a sudden, he's like,

fuck it, I'm gonna go do some serious shit. And you're like, and you take it serious, right? Like, that's one thing. It's like, and that's just acting. McCona Hay the same way.

It's like, maybe corny in the beginning and it was like, whatever, but like he's a G. And now he's turned it around and like, he's, yeah.

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By the way, shout-outs to Downey Jr. too. In terms of like comeback player of the year award, like he would get that if that was an acting award for, you know, sports comparison. But you don't really ever think of actors in a clutch way like you do with some. sports, but I do have a quick little story. This is the most clutch performance I've ever seen an actor give under, I would say, extreme circumstances. So I think this is maybe like season two or three of Entourage. We're still finding our way. We're starting to do well. We were asked to be on the cover of Entertainment Weekly, which back then was a big deal. You're on the cover

Entertainment Weekly? That's a big deal. We were all super psyched. But we were still shooting the show, So they set up the photo shoot for the cover on like a Saturday when we weren't working. It's Thursday now. We're shooting the show. We're doing this scene outside of one of the mansions. There was a basketball hoop up, right? And the scene's easy. It's me, Dylan, and Adrian shooting around.

We're waiting for Connolly's character to come in where we give him shit about Sloan, whatever, right? So we're shooting around. Dylan always loved in like any sport things to always look awesome on camera, right? like he dunks on me in the pilot on a six-foot rim. So he's playing Adrian like one-on-one in basketball. And there was these pavers in the courtyard in the house where they're shooting around. And there was this big fountain.

So they call cut. They never wanted us to keep playing. But Adrian and Dylan continue to play. And Adrian is not, as we know, not an athlete. Yeah. Dylan's like going for a drive. Adrian steps on foot. Dylan would remind me of like fucking dead.

Rodman, just a little flaley but physical. Yeah, yes, yes. Matt, you're fucking dialed in today, bro. You're dialed in. Adrian, like, steps on Dylan's foot. Dylan loses his balance, but his foot's still trapped. Dylan falls. All of his weight goes on his wrist.

Like, he breaks his fall with his hand, and his wrist snaps. And he fucking gets up, and he's like, instantly, he's like broken arm. Guys, broken arm, broken arm. I remember he took his watch off, and he was in so much pain. He stuck his hand in the, the, fountain of the courtyard. He's looking for something cold. He was freaking out. We go fucking look, Matt. His fucking wrist,

the bone sticking, it was gnarly. I remember Connolly calls Doug Allen. He's like, bro, show's over. Kid Dylan broke his arm. We're done. So they rushed Dylan to the fucking hospital. He has to have emergency surgery. All this stuff. We're all super concerned.

And once we know, like, all he's going to be okay, but this is going to be, we're going to be out of business for a while. We start here and, oh, fuck. The photo shoot, Entertainment Weekly, surely not going to, like, they want all of us. It's probably done. Dylan gets surgery on a Friday morning on his wrist. And then that Saturday shows up to the fucking photo shoot.

I don't know what they shot him up with and hopped him up. I mean, kiss. He was a cast on his arm. Eyes fucking like this. He wasn't missing that cover, bro. And if you, he continued through the 12-hour photo shoot. And if you go look at those pictures, I'll post them on our social. I am strategically placed in front of Dylan's arm in every picture

because his hand was so bad. He looked like Chubbs from Happy Gilmore. It looked like he had a wooden hand. That's how bad. So to me, actors don't really have a reputation of being tough. Yeah. That is a clutch performance because we would have lost the entertainment weekly cover. So shoutouts.

What a beast. That's a great story. We got to pull that. We got to find that online. Also, like, he just like his daughter was born like 40 years before. Was he in a... Was he... He probably was in a long...

He was in a long... He was in a cast, but then... You couldn't see that. Yeah. So there's one funny scene, and I'll find it too and try to get it on our social. Because you know, like,

every kitchen scene, Johnny Drama's cooking breakfast for us, right? But he has one arm. There's one scene where he's like... He's like squeezing oranges for orange juice and like a thing. He's got his hand, bro. He's like, you can just tell he has no fucking use.

His hand is limp. He's trying to like squeeze an orange. But, uh, yeah, that dude missed like a... half a day of work and was back. Yeah, bro. Some people are just built different, man.

Yeah, not me, bro. I would have took fucking two months off and said, fuck Entertainment Weekly. We ain't doing it. I'm taking some time off. All right. Clutch performances ever. We know Reggie Miller,

eight points, nine seconds, Michael Jordan, the shot over Craig Elo. So, Matt, we're going to save clutch players for our throwback three performance. Yeah, man, got a lot of overlap here. We have a few.

We'll keep it to it. First, let's just go with, do you have your most, your clutch game, like game performance, not clutch player, clutch game performance. Tom Brady, Super Bowl.

Which one? Atlanta. The comeback. I mean, dude, 283, halftime. I've been in NFL games. It is really, really hard to score 25 points

in a game, let alone a half, let alone in the second half of the biggest game in the world. And this dude, and again, you have like Julian Edelman's catch was just, you know, things have to bounce your way. But to me, in that moment, knowing how hard that is, playing against a really great team, to be able to will your team back to one of the greatest Super Bowls of all time

and the way it turned out, it's just unbelievable, dude. And like, you know, Brady's like Jordan, you could pick a million different ones, right? And you could, I could pick Kobe. I could pick a million Kobe. But like to be on the Super Bowl in that stage, everybody kind of rooting against you at that point. And just to come back, like, dude, it's the greatest second half performance maybe in the history of sports, dude. And it led to what I still believe is the most freezing cold take of all time. Our guy who we mentioned earlier, I guess.

You could say he lives rent-free in my head. Colin Cowherd at halftime. I screenshot a tweet. I look at it every couple of months. He tweeted at halftime. Like, you sure you want to get off Garoppolo here, Patriots? I don't know. I'll say one.

Let me give one more. I'm going to say in football, Joe Montana. Another, like, which one question? Yeah, but like, you know, the drive, right? The drive that everybody knows. He won the Super Bowl. I just leave it at this. The nickname is Joe Cool.

Like, cool under pressure. One of the greatest clutch performers of all time in the biggest stage and did it back in the day, right? It was like, I mean, just Joe Cool Montana outside of Tom Brady. I know my homes and all that, but like, like, Joe Montana was so cool under pressure, man, and so cool in the clutch. You know, I think I heard an interesting take. I think it was Lawrence Taylor. I'm sorry if I'm getting the person wrong. Like, look, Tom Brady's the goat.

We're not ever going to debate that. But for a second, if you were just going to stack up, I guess this kind of question. Obviously, Brady has some Super Bowl losses. Like, Joe Montana made every play in every big moment that he was healthy for, never lost in the Super Bowl. In an era, too, where you could fucking behead the quarterback, right? You could absolutely behead.

It's very, it's very Jordan. It's very, like, Jordan never lost in the finals. Right. Jordan played in an era where you could close line people and not get a foul. And, yeah, there's something about Joe Montana. Like, again, Tom Brady surpassed because he has seven. Like, you just, it doesn't matter. Like, you can't.

At some point, and how he's done it, like, the comeback. It's the greatest career. But there is something to be said that you could debate, I think you could debate Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes. I think a lot of people would say if Patrick Mahomes retired today. He's the second greatest quarterback of all time. I think people would say that, right? The talent and all that.

I don't know, man. I think, I think, I think Joe Montana is still, I think it's kind of how people, maybe, I guess, Kobe, people don't put Kobe. A lot of people don't put Kobe in the top two or three. A lot of people do, but a lot of people don't. I don't know. You could debate the second greatest quarterback of all time being Joe Montana. And I don't, I don't, like, it's hard to argue against it. So, Matt, here's what's

fun about this conference. because everything you said is true. But Mahomes, you could argue, hope health being a thing is maybe at like the midpoint. You hope he's at the midpoint. Oh, no doubt. Yeah, no doubt. So he could continue to write this story.

But I will say, look, I was at the Super Bowl where, what was he down? Like 10 in the fourth. And then he had basically three straight touchdown drives in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Against the Niners. It's like, whoa, man. That's big time, dude. And that was all him.

He was out there. Mahomes is on his own island. Mahomes is, I mean, yeah, the fourth quarter, it's unbelievable what he's been able to do when the game is on the line. I just think we kind of forget Joe Montana and he was, he was the, he was the, he's the original Mr. Clutch. He's the original Joe Cool, Borno and Super Bowls, the drives. Like, like you forget about that. So I just think he's one of the most clutch athletes. we've ever seen.

And there's not a blemish on the resume. You know what I mean? And look, as much as I, look, I respect all the Super Bowls, Tom Brady's won, too, of course. But, like, yeah, I remember, too, those Niners were going through, like, the Cowboys, you know?

And then they were going, like, there was, dude, the 90s were crazy. The Giants always had knocked the Niners out in 1990. They literally knocked Montana out of the game or else he might have got another one. Okay.

I have, like, we have to, talk about Michael Jordan. Obviously, he's the most clutch player moments. I think the fun part of the conversation with Jordan right now is picking which one. Okay, so I'm picking my clutch moment with Jordan. Ironically, like the Elo shot, of course, and there's a million of them. Jazz game six. That's where I, my mind goes to the, and here's why. Jazz game six, because it's a little older Michael Jordan, right? On the road. Maybe not as athletic, on the road. And the jazz had the game. It's the shot is what we all remember, of course, and that's one of the coolest pictures ever.

But what preceded the shot was he goes around the corner and strips Carl Malone. I know, the steel. Maybe, and he was, you know, hitting that middy. He probably was going to not ice the game, but put a real stranglehold on the game. And he just stripped him and came down. And the reason why it's like the coolest clutch performance to me, obviously the Elo one, he was still so young. But this was even to say, holy shit.

Michael Jordan might be in a game seven in a weird way. His own clutch shot robbed us of seeing Michael Jordan. Did he never play in a game seven? In the finals, no. That's fucking crazy. It never went past six. Six, five, six, six, even, super, six rings? Six rings.

Six rings, no in the finals. Six rings. Never a game seven in the finals. You could argue with the wall. Seattle took him to game six. Utah took him to game six. I think Phoenix might have. taking them to game six.

The Lakers, I don't remember if the Lakers, the first one was five or six. I know the Lakers won the first game in that 90 series. Portland, they just fucked up. That's the one he took personal when everyone was trying to say, Clyde Drexler is as good. Yeah, I remember that. That's the one he fucking was like, oh, yeah. He's the greatest, I mean, he's the greatest, dude, he's,

but in a weird way. He's the coat in every damn category you could think that. That clutch shot against the jazz, which iced the championship and was his last game as a bull, robbed us of maybe seeing another clutch game seven that he might have done something else ridiculous. Can you name the starting five for the Utah Jazz in that finals? Car Malone, John Stockton,

Byron Russell, um, uh, was it, wasn't Shannon Anderson. Nope. Come on, bro. Let me come on. Oh, Oster Tag.

Yeah, and. Oh, Hornacek. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, it took me a second. I always, get like, I try to go so not obvious. By the way, that's, we got

we have to do an episode where we just start naming rant like this is like, this is fucking love this. It's the greatest game ever, especially if you're doing 90s early 2000. Yeah, 90s. Can you name the starting five for the Utah Jazz in 1994? Hold up. Yeah, let's see. Both Utah series were at six. Sonics were six. Portland was

a sweep. Lakers was in five. In my defense, Shandon Anderson, there's a bench player. Yeah, but he was never a starter. Jeff Hornacek, bro. He always did at the free throw line for his, I think, for his daughter. That would be another good category, like, weird free throw that Jason Kidd used to blow the kiss. Steve Nash. He used to always rough.

Steve Nash always, I think, I don't know, I think he did, he always, like, wiped his stomach or something. Yeah. So that's my Jordan one. Yeah, I mean, dude, he's, Jordan's, yeah, it's ridiculous. I can't convince one person under the age of 30 that Michael Jordan is to go. And I'm done trying to prove it. Forget about under 25. It's impossible, dude.

It's impossible. It's LeBron. It's LeBron, for sure. 100 out of 100. Yeah. And that's why, too, like I almost picked clutch performances like Game 7 versus the Warriors. La Gagadala block and what do you have, like that. But like Kyrie still did have the biggest shot of Game 70.

He won that was the game winning shot in the biggest moment. moment of the game, but LeBron was unbelievable. I think we can talk about LeBron, whether you like him or not or whatever. It doesn't matter. I think I tweeted this out the other day, like you have to sit back and as a sports fan

like I think I tweet this right after you threw a lob to a son in a playoff game, bro. And you could think whatever you want about that whole situation. The fact that we witness that in our lifetime in professional sports, it's like,

Like, you got to just, you got to like be like, holy shit, dude, we're witnessing something. We probably will never witness again that part. And then also just LeBron being LeBron at 41 years old, still, he could average a triple double if you want, like if you really, really wanted to. You know what I mean? It's just you got to, you got to respect greatness. You got to respect the one of ones that just don't come around. They come around once every 30, 40 years, man.

And he's one of those, dude. Like, Matt, there's a world where if you. you had some more health, you played in the NFL till in your 40s, and if Cole was a receiver, you could be like, hey, I might get to throw a touchdown to watch him in the NFL. My greatest, the most fun I get is playing rec league hoops, dude, on Tuesday night. And Cole's like, Dad, I want you on my team. Like, hell yeah, bro. I'll set you screens.

Let me facilitate because I ain't getting around anybody. I'm just so scared to do anything physical at this point. I'm just so fucking afraid. You got to get off that, dude. I'm just going to melt away. want to pop my Achilles is really what I'm getting at. I don't want to pop that. Yeah, dude, it's, uh, yeah, I mean, it's incredible, man, what he's been able to do.

All right. Well, I'm curious of what people say. There's so, I mean, there's so you can do it. There's a thousand different clutch performance. I can't get a kid under 30 years old, though, to say, oh yeah, Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's the goat. I can't get someone under the age of 30. So someone teach me how.

Um, all right. Now we are going to switch from performances to just our top three, a throwback three. Greatest clutch players, money on the line. Who are you taking throwback three? And it's okay if we overlap here because we have to play it. We have to play it fair. You're going to think I'm crazy on this.

And again, I could go 25 deep. By number three, Freddie Freeman. Listen, let's go Homer. Let's go. Let's go. No, it's not. Listen to this.

World Series performer. He is the most walk-off home runs in World Series history. That's a crazy. Crazy stat. Just think about that. It's like, that's like saying Jordan, like you have the most, you know, like points in NBA finals history of the most champion.

Like you could, you could. Crazy stat. Multiple World Series rings. Think about it. I almost went Kirk Gibson because of one. But, but Freddie Freeman. He's done it more than once. And he's done like in the world series.

You could argue he's one of the greatest clutch hitters in the history of baseball. I think that's, I think you can argue that. When the moment matters. You could argue Tony Gwyn. the greatest hitter of all time. Pete Rose, you could argue Big Poppy is one of those right there, but he's done it multiple times in the World Series and then won the World Series. So he's number three. Number two, I put, I put Tiger. I just think, I think it goes without saying, I think he's the greatest golfer of all time in his prime, the shots, the championships, and then to go through

all of what he did, and then to come back and win that Masters again was like insane. The greatest one of the greatest comeback stories of all time, but just one of the clutch performances. And then I got MJ is number one. MJ's number one. Yeah, he's number one. And I'm not even going to like, yeah, he's number one. Brady, I mean, Brady, I could easily put out there. But for the sake of just kind of...

He's lost some Super Bowls, bro. We can't knock him in anything. If that's the one knock, we could say, like, by the way, you get to the Super Bowl a hundred times. You're going to lose a few. Freddie Freeman is the greatest World Series clutch player of all time. And by the way, he's a, I mean, he's the first ballot Hall of Fame. He's one the greatest hitters of all time, like, when it's all said and done.

I know it's laughable. I know it's laughable. No, it's not laughable. I'm going to give you a homer pick too, but I'll also go as far as to say, you know what? Well, your homer pick's going to be the captain. Yeah. But I'll almost go as far as to say, I almost put Yamamoto as the most clutch performance of all time. Like what he did last year in the World Series was absolutely insane.

Bum Gardner. Bum Gardner too has, I mean, there's so many, dude. I was floored by Yamamoto coming back like the next night and just. slamming the door shut. I thought that was, that's as clutch as you could get as a pitcher. I just say, I think being clutch, you have to, you, you've had to do it multiple times on the biggest stage. I agree. When, when everything's on the line, I think that's what separates, like, one performance from multiple. And, you know, for me, I mean, for, yeah, I just think what's all of a sudden done, the guy's a Hall of Famer, multiple World Series rings, maybe more, hopefully,

and win them. And by the way, the first one, I mean, hit a, broken ankle, dude. I know. My list is going to be controversial, I think. I'll just put number three. No, I'm going to put number three as Jeter. Okay, that's my homer pick. But like it all, by the way, it's not a reach.

Like the numbers support it. He's been in a million playoff games. To me, you sum up Derek Jeter by one play. The play against the Oakland A's in the first round, when there was like a weird sleepy, like they were sleepwalking through that series, would have gone down like two, like that play where he cuts off to Aaron throw and flips it to home to Pasada to tag out the Giambi brother.

Like that sums up who that guy is. And I have a question for you after I give the rest of mine that's related to that. I just think, I think he's he's cheater. But like, yeah, no, I agree. I just think, I think he's Mr. November, bro. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, you're right. No, he's there.

He's there. Thank you. And Michael Jordan's my number one. Sorry, but it just is what it is. So for my number two, I want to say Joe Montana, but I'm going to make mine like the all-time Homer. It's fucking Eli, bro.

How do we have, how are we not, how have we gone this long? And not, if you're going to mention Freddie Freeman and World Series numbers, how have we gone this far? Eli is the Freddie Freeman of quarterbacks. Like, good player.

I don't know about, by the way. By the way, Freeman's like a lifetime. 320 hitter for 12 years. And now he has two World Series rings in the, like, yeah. I agree, but he's also, all right. He's also like on arguably the one of the best rosters,

baseball's ever put together with money. Yeah, but he was doing it in Atlanta for 10 years two prior. I agree. Listen, I agree with the Freeman. Can we pull up Freddie Freeman's lifetime career, Betty Freeman? This isn't a knock. It's more so you. Like, by the way, I don't hate on Eli Manning.

when the playoffs were on the line, yes, won two Super Bowls with average football teams and went on the greatest playoff run that we've seen. You go look at his 07 playoff numbers. It's ridiculous. And by the way,

he on the road went into Green Bay, into Dallas, into fucking San Francisco, and then won a Super Bowl that's undefeated team. 300, 300 hitter. I love Freddie Freeman, Matt.

I was not. To me, that's a compliment by saying, Eli's like the Freddie Freeman. But is Eli regular season numbers are better? In your opinion, is Eli Manning?

Should he, is he a first ballot hall of famer? He's not because he didn't. I think he missed the cut this year. I would have put him in, but I'm not the worst audience for that. Because I don't know. To me,

I think you're, he is the Freddie Freeman. We got a lot of comparisons on this show today. So, all right, since we can't, Michael Jordan is all our number ones. You want to know my number.

two for basketball? Let me guess. Eastern Conference or Western Conference? Western Conference. It's not Kobe. It's no one on the Lakers. I mean, Steph? Maybe.

Steph Curry. And I judge it by this. If the game's on the line... If you're down three, who the fuck do you want to have the ball shooting the three? But that dude puts the fear of God into everybody in a close game. If you have one shot left,

in a game seven, who would you rather have the ball? Steph Curry or Michael Jordan. Oh, Michael Jordan. That's why he's number one. I say my number two is Steph Curry. Just, I feel good if he has a shot.

I probably put Kobe as my number three. All good. But what really did it for me, too, with Steph was like, that Olympic run was just fucking incredible. When he put them to sleep, dude, that to me was like, he's another one, man.

He's another one that. We're going to miss him, boy, when he's gone. I mean, dude, he's on the tail end. I hate it. And you know who I couldn't put on? Because this is my, this is my biggest enemy clutch performer.

Like, oh, fuck, I can't believe what was Kurt Schilling, man, 11 and 2 in postseason baseball. Dude, there's so many. Yeah. Bloody sock comeback. The Diamondbacks win against the Yankees in 2001. Like, shilling. Dude, big poppy's one of the greatest clutch playoff hitters of all time. It's so fun.

It's so fun. It is. All right. We're going to end. We're going to end. Listen, I love Freddie. We got LeBron and Adam Sandler. We got fucking Freddie Freeman and Eli, man.

This might be our weirdest show we've ever done. We are going to end on a bitter note. Sorry, we got to do it. On the other side of clutch performances, there usually is a heartbreaking loss. Now, Matt, whether it's your fandom or even a game you've played in. You've played in big time games across college in pro football

or it could be your fandom what was the most heartbreaking loss for you oh for me personally but by the way it doesn't have to be something you play could be a fandom thing I mean but or you could use something for your own career the Rose Bowl Texas is by far the most

heartbreaking loss I've ever been part of have you ever watched that game since it happened I don't watch the last I turn it off with five minutes and something left because we were up 12 points 12 points with five minutes five five five

something five and change 12 points with a great defense too what a great two touchdowns and they score that would be a three pete right never been done and never will be done especially now in this era is too much parody never been done before and we were

one yard away from all we had to do is get a forked down conversion um yeah that one hurts still uh fandom no give me fandom then well fan fandom I mean I haven't had I mean I'm being in L.A. I haven't had a lot of Lakers win a lot of titles.

The L.A. Games win a lot of titles. I will say this. And this is, and this is, this isn't, I'm going to bring up the Yankees. And this isn't just me being it, but I witnessed the greatest meltdown of an inning all time in baseball. You did. No, I'm serious. I know. The greatest meltdown.

You asked Anthony Rizzo about it. The greatest meltdown in the history of maybe sports with what's on the line. And you could talk about like. Yankees, right? The Yankees are like the Dodgers. It's like the Cowboys. It's like it's the fucking New York Yankees, right? Like they should always be in it their payroll. Like great players, great team, great organization. And that any, what transpired is what transpires with my six you Kaysen's fucking Little League team. It's literally, that's what happens. Booting the ball all over the ball. You go through the leg. You miss a throw. Like it's just like it has. It has. has to be one of the most devastating losses and moments in the history of Yankees baseball, no doubt.

And I was there to witness it in the stands and then to see my team win. That's not a homework pick. That is just like, how on earth does that happen? It would never happen again. Do you know who I watched that game with? This is because I had tickets. I had tickets to the suite of a Cavs game, right? and I had the choice of like,

I gotta watch this game five. Yeah, game five. But, like, my boys were so excited to go sit in, like a suite for basketball. I'm like, fuck, I gotta go. I'll watch the game on the phone or maybe they'll have it on another TV. I get into the suite.

You know who's in the suite? Miles Garrett, Cleveland's own. So I'm like celebrating. Cabs are blowing them out. I'm like celebrating Yankee. All right, there's going to be a game six. This is great. And then me, Miles Garrett, watch it.

And the wheel starts, and he just went like, uh-oh. Miles Garrett. Even with football, he looked at what was going on in the TV. He's literally, I think the only things

he said, he went, uh-oh. Yeah. And that, but the biggest collapse is the Yankees 3-0 up on Boston. That's the biggest.

That's a huge collapse. Because that unlocked like a decade of Boston wins that we have never seen before. That was like the biggest collapse. I mean, the Falcons losing that Super Bowl is the biggest collapse

in the history of a football game. And another good collapse, which is my heartbreaking loss of all time. Nicks were up 3-2 in 1994 against the Houston Rockets to win the title.

This was back in the two, three, two days. So, Knicks went up. They win game five to go up three-two. Then I got to go back to Houston for two.

And Matt, I once, remember like Hardwood Classics on NBA channel? I was on a JetBlue flight. They have the DirecTV one summer. This was like years ago.

And I'm fucking flipping through the DirecTV channels and on Hardwood Classics is Knicks. And it was the first quarter game seven. I'm like, you know what? I have not watched this game since. Let's watch it. Let's see what went wrong.

Buddy, the Knicks had like a five point lead with like a minute and a half, two minutes. It was right. There was like a loose ball. Oakley could have got. There was a few bounces where it just did not have to go that way. That I remember watching that as a kid and I'm not going to, I legitimately. went in my room. I was 13 years old and I cried. I 100% cried real tears and I was just devastated because they fucking had it. I've never cried as a fan for a sport. It is the only time I cry.

I cried as a player, but I've never cried as a fan for a sport. I think it was the only time I ever cried as a fan. When did you cry as a player? Was it? I cried my last, no, my last high school game. I cried. I never forget. College. I didn't. Texas, I was like, I was like, nah. I was bummed. Really bummed, but I was NFL. I was just going, you know, but like high school, I'll never forget. We lost to Eisenhower

in the quarterfinal. They were good. We were up. We were higher ranked and we just, we fizzled in the second half, dude. I'll never forget. And it was like my last high school game, right? That was the only time. Never in the NFL. Well, let's end with this then. Because you

mentioned you were playing against, you were a powerhouse in high school, your team, would you say or no? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we were you lost. I mean, modern days, modern days powerhouse now. We were a powerhouse then before, you know, there was recruiting now with everybody and stuff. But like, they were national champions in 94, national champions in 96. I was there in 97. So we won a title in 99, and then we lost in 01. So Matt liner, and maybe we'll break this out for social. Matt liner, you've played at the highest levels from high school to college to the pros, what makes a clutch player? The stuff that we can't see, the invisible magic,

the lightning in the bottle, what makes a player clutch? I think that's a great question. I think consistency under pressure. I think the moment, a clutch player, the moment never changes for them, right it's it the moment never changes whether it's the first quarter or whether it's fourth fourth and goal and the game's on the line and the moment's big right the moment never changes for a clutch player um and clutch players embrace the moment they want the moment they're not afraid of the moment right they're not afraid to fail i think that's the biggest thing is they're not afraid what they don't think about what happens they live in the now and they want the ball they want the they want the they want They want the fourth quarter drive.

They want the ball in their hand dribbling up. They want to be up at bat. They want to be on the mound. And they never, and they're so, I think the biggest thing is, dude, in those moments, you're so mentally focused and tough on what's exactly happening and what needs to be done that you don't think about all of the what if and you don't let that get to you, right? That's the greatest, the Kobe, MJ, Tiger. I mean, so many, like, when the moment is at its, like, apex, it's like, man, that's where we thrive the most, right?

Because they just don't let anything else creep in your mind. I mean, that's the only way I can explain. The only time I really felt that was, I mean, I felt that, you know, obviously, I've had moments of opposite, but like fourth and nine against Notre Dame. Yeah. Just you don't, you don't think about anything else other than you have to go out and you have to execute the play. Jordan takes the last shot He has to go out and execute the last fucking play. It doesn't matter what it is, right? So you just go out there

And you don't let the moment be bigger than it is. What's going through you? The greats do it over and over and over and over again. What do you remember what was going through your mind and your heart rate on fourth and nine? I remember like it was yesterday. I remember the play.

I remember what I had to audible to. I remember the moment. And I didn't think, You don't think about 80,000 people screaming. You don't think about not hearing yourself in your, you know, like, it's like putting headphones on, right? And you're in a huddle and you can't hear anyone else because it's so freaking loud. You don't think any of that.

You just sort like, this is my moment. This is what we have to do. We have to go execute this play. Let's go. You don't let yourself think about what's at stake, right? Like, oh, if we don't get this, we lose. And, like, yeah, like, that's not even a thought in the huddle. After the fact, you don't execute.

Yeah, then you're like, but. the great ones want it. They want that ball, man. They want that ball. They want the ball with a minute left. That's where they thrive the most. And it's a mental toughness that very, very few people have. Yeah.

The only, I look, I don't know anything about being clutch athletically. The only thing, like, watching the Jeter's make, like, that kind of crazy play and, like, stuff like that is, like, I almost just think, like, maybe, I just, think they're so, like, dialed in that they're just running situations through their mind like days before. Like, you don't make that Jeter play. If you haven't thought about, yeah, you know, one day, like, he could have been in the middle of July. He's like, yeah, if there's ever, like, a bad cutoff through the home, what if I just

fucking get it and flip it? Like, you must have thought about that at some point in his career. And then it just becomes muscle memory. It's just like there's, like, everybody in professional sports is super talented. right everyone's different everyone has their own unique talent some are more talented than others right like you could define that however you want like the difference is just the mental the mental toughness the IQ of a jeter the the IQ of a lebron right like like there's just this mental toughness that you just don't allow anything else to matter other than what the moment is like and it's just it's hard

to explain unless you're in it and the people that can do it over and over and over again like Freddie Freeman, it's, it's, you know, like, we laugh, but it's like, think about it. Like, you're bottom on the ninth, you're down and you're up to, like, like, I have goosebumps just talking about it. And he's just, you're just so, you're just so dialed in. Like, it doesn't matter. And you're not afraid to lose, right? You're not afraid to miss the shot. Like, that's also the difference. Like, what was the old thing? Jordan, right? Like, what was that old quote, like, you can't, the shot that you don't make or something, or you don't take, right? Whatever, like, you miss tons of, you know, whatever the whole, that whole saying was.

That's the mindset you got to have. Wow. This was a very clutch episode of throwbacks. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Yes. And you miss 100% of the podcast you don't listen to. So make sure you listen to this one like you did, like and subscribe, all that good stuff. We are back next week.

I hope my Knicks are still in control about that time. We'll see. And maybe hopefully your Lakers are still around and we get to see some more Unc performances from LeBron. All right. Catch you guys next week. Thank you.