Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Matt’s Good Good Golf Adventure, Biggest Agitators in Sports & Playing “Guess That College”

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

On the latest edition of Throwbacks, Matt recaps his day at Good Good Golf’s Lonestar Shootout as Good Good personalities Jackson Hargis and Blake Mullen join the show.  Jackson and Blake discuss their origin stories with the organization, share their perspective of Matt hitting someone in the crowd, and display their sports knowledge in a game of “guess that college!”  Then, we debate one of the great youth sports questions of our time: is it lame or smart for a 3rd grade little league coach to manipulate the 5-run rule in his team’s favor?  Matt also reflects on some of the great agitators in sports that he’s played both with and against, and we wonder which sport you have to be in the best shape to play?  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Look, the show's dirty. They curse. They tell a lot of X-rated jokes or whatever. One of my friends asked my mom, how are you with all that comedy, you know, a lot of jokes and this that my mom's like, I went to every Entourage premiere for eight years in a row. It's nothing I haven't heard. Yeah. All right. It's throwbacks. We're back myself and Matt liner, Maddie ice, how we do about it. It looks like we have the same shirt on. For those of you on YouTube, you could see, but if you're audio only, you have like a nice red, is that a Panini shirt? Not our sponsor.

I'm rocking Panini. I am rocking Panini because our guests today are awesome. And I was in the Panini headquarters last week in Dallas, just ripping boxes for three hours, dude. Three hours. Honestly, it got to the point where I was like, I gotta get to the hotel. And I pulled, oh, I should have,

we pulled some fire too, but yeah, dude, let me, I just wanna start off really quick because we have a lot to talk about. We do, we have two good guests coming up today. I'm just letting you know right now that I've had a morning, dude. I have had a morning. I'm not gonna get into the personal stuff I'm dealing with,

but I'm not feeling my best, that's fine. I was up at 5.30 with Baby Girl. Baby Girl's been great, can't say a whole lot, you know, negative stuff, I'm not a big newborn guy. It was one of those mornings where, I'm not a newborn guy, but I love my daughter. I get it though, I get it though. I get it.

Hit me up when you're about 11 months old. But, this morning, I was up at like 5.40, she didn't wanna eat, she's kinda doing that now where she's just playing around with the bottle, she's distracted laughing, she's just like, I'm chilling, I'm not gonna eat. So that was fine, then the boys are up at six this morning, super early, from six to eight,

she would not let me put her down. So she's having those, she also has a little bit of a cold. So like, it's just one of those things where she wouldn't let me put me down. And then, you know, the laundry list of things, you gotta get the boys ready for school. You gotta make them breakfast. You gotta do their backpack. My oldest son is here.

I had to make sure he, I just, I'm packing lunches. I'm trying to eat myself because then we're doing the pod and all this stuff. So, dude, I've just had a morning, bro. But let me ask you a quick question about Cole, who's 18. Just for the thought of the future, like, is he getting up on his own to get him so ready?

You still got to be like, oh, get up for school or he's on. He's like, got it. Now he sets his alarm. He's up. But like I had to. So I had to. I had to. My car's in the shop.

That's a whole other thing. So I had to Uber him to school this morning, but I had to Uber him to school before I dropped my kids off because when I go to my kids, there's a dead zone thing. So I had to Uber him to school this morning, but I had to Uber him to school before I drop my kids off because when I go to my kids, there's a dead zone with no service. Right. So like, I'm already, I'm just planning the whole morning. It's like, I'm like, oh, you gotta get-

It's like the quarterback, bro. You get, you're in your meetings. Bro, I got 15 minutes where I'm not gonna be able to call an Uber and he doesn't have Uber on his phone. And Sid, you know what, dude? It's a lot of complaining. I'm good. I fought through it.

I fought through it. My body hurts like a mother right now's a lot of complaining. I'm good. I fought through it. I fought through it. My body hurts like a mother right now, but it's okay. I'm well, you also had a, and I do want to ask you later on in the show more about your Panini trip, because that's like a dream trip for a lot of people out there. But you know, our guests today, we have Blake Mullin coming on. Good goods finest. We have Jackson Hargis coming on Fine split which we gotta ask sploosh. I mean

Yeah, I don't know Drop like a like a smoothie all over himself or something They're from good good They're gonna join us later to kind of recap because you went off to Dallas and you played in that good good Texas shootout with a lot of other NFL players. What did I say last week was going to happen? You were worried about hitting someone, right? Weren't you worried about hitting someone? And sure, and Garrett Clark, as we know from good good, if you haven't seen this clip,

go YouTube or Google, Garrett Clark hits gallery, which he hits him with a line drive. You drilled someone, you flew a green. I guess my biggest fear is hitting her in front of a gallery, hitting somebody, not shanking it, just get through the hole, whatever, okay? So it all came true, my biggest fears came true. It was, there were a lot of nerves in this day until the point where I just said,

I just started having a couple drinks and I let it go cause I knew we weren't gonna lose. Or every golf, like every hack golf. Really quick, my flight was delayed a couple hours. I landed. I got to the tournament 15 to 20 minutes right around there before we were teen off. We were the second group to tee off and you had a lot of car ride after you land. Right. So our car. Yeah. That's tough to roll out. By the way, it was all good. It just, it just was like, I would have loved to warm up a little bit, get lathered, get my clubs down a little bit,

shoot the shit with the guys, kinda tell them, hey dude, I suck, so you gotta carry me. Talk to Matt Ryan, you're the real Mattie Ice. Yeah, I get on the range. I had like, honestly, I literally did, I had seven swings on the range with Garrett. Garrett was there, Garrett was signing autographs,

so I was like, what's up, dude? Introduce myself. I swung a little bit. He's like, oh dude, I was striping it. I was like, yeah, I feel good. I knew, whatever, dude. I don't really need to warm up, but I just wanted to warm up a little bit with my clubs.

I go straight to the tee box. They tee off. There's probably like a thousand people in the gallery. I'm like, oh my God, dude, I'm just shitting my pants. They all go. So then Garrett goes first. Garrett hits one right down the pipe. Great. We have one in play. I go in, I start getting the Texas. Yeah, go long. Of course you're in Texas. You're going to get trashed. And I'm

like, guys actually like the trash talk. Be loud. Cause I don't like this silence golf. I need people to start yelling. So they start going nuts. I hit it off. I hit it off the T fine. I kind of slice it a little bit. They flames you a little bit on the broadcast. They said liner looks real tight. Like your body. I mean, I just, I had a six hour travel day. Yes. Fine. Don't care. I didn't, I didn't hit anybody. I didn't hit a ground ball. Second shot of the day, bro. This was it. This 140, whatever it was a par four like a shorter par for I made great contact the commentaries oh this looks good oh and then it hits this dude

sound the grain right in the hip just right he like a 16 year old kid I'm like oh my god dude this is did you go find the kid and say anything or not even great by the way we've been he DME you not even? He was great. By the way, we've been, he DM'd me on Instagram. He goes, he goes, Mr. Liner, I'm just letting you know I'm the kid that you hit today. It was an honor. It's a memory. I'm going to last a lifetime.

He's like, will you follow me on Instagram? I said, hell yeah. I'll follow you on Instagram. It was the least I could do. I drilled you with a pitch. But then, then it gets better. The third shot. So Garrett's like in the fringe, like eight feet off the green. And I'm like,

I'm like, dude, I got to be honest with you. Chipping is, and it was a little downhill. I said after that shot, I get like, I might putt this. He goes, putt it, dude, go ahead and putt it. Give me a line. So I putted it. I putt it like five feet, four feet from the pin. Actually had a nice putt. It was actually a pretty good putt. We make par. What people aren't talking about though, is the second hole. I've been talking about this. The second hole, par three, one, I don't even know.

60, I think I had an eight iron. Or yeah, one 40 to one 60, like a good little shot, right? Over water or something. Dude, I put it right above the, I mean, right when I hit it, I'm like, oh, that looks good. Right over, lands about like 10 feet behind and then just has the backspin about, honestly, probably three and a half feet from the hole.

Garrett, I actually, I missed the birdie, but he's like, dude, go get yourself a birdie. I missed it like by a hair. All of that being said, everything that I thought was gonna happen, happened. I hit somebody, then I hit a golf cart later, but about seven holes in me and Garrett just decided, dude, let's just have a couple of drinks and have fun.

And we got a little loose. We got lathered up. Our caddy started hitting, by the way, Pat Peterson's caddy, this kid, he's probably 10. He was talking so much to me. Patrick Peterson's caddy? Yeah. His name is Murphy's this kid. Yeah. He's hilarious. Like, no, we had kid caddies. You guys did have kid caddies. I was like they these well the golf the golf pros son was one of the caddies and it was his friends I thought that was a great touch but here I'm here to answer all your questions But no no no no it was it was my worst nightmare come true I have questions for Blake and Jackson when they come on from good good first

And for those of you don't know, like good good in the YouTube golf content space is huge. I was so excited when you did it. Blake Jackson and Garrett, I believe are all roommates and they're all best friends. So Blake, they're in the book. Blake and Jackson, both very good golfers too, but they're a little bit more, I believe kind of like behind the camera editing that they, yeah. And Blake was announcing at the mass shootout. Blake Blake was announcing for the golf channel.

But they're but they're hilarious. They're awesome, man. It's going to be a blast. I can't wait to talk to any good interactions with you know, you know, we had Patrick Peterson on our show. You had Matt Ryan there. Yeah. So my group was a lot of guys, you know, yeah, my group was Pat P, me and Jamal Charles, who I love all Jamal Charles was like pretty new to golf too, I think. By the way, dude, I was like, he's like a year into golf and he's like, he said he's like a 14 or 15 and Garrett's like, Garrett's like, yeah, right, bro. You're not, you're like a five, cause he could have missed. He was great. He told, but that, but he sprayed a couple.

He's like, Matt, I'm telling you, like, I'm, but he made like four birdie putts. So he made four birdie putts that he just couldn't miss. He was on, they were on fire. Uh, Jamal Charles, I don't think gets enough respect as one of the great all time Madden players to use in Madden. He was so fast. Football players. Well, best fantasy, but also like that every year that Madden came out and I would always

make a trade for Jamal Charles cause he was almost not quite Michael Vick level of that Madden came out and I would always make a trade for Jamal Charles because he was almost not quite Michael Vick level of a Madden player but 99 speed 99 agility was so fun to play so let's let's put a pin we'll put a pin good good because I can't wait to hear what these guys have to say we have a fun interview coming up these guys are hilarious Blake and Jackson um I got something blown up so there's a lot of stuff good good going. I got something blown up. So there's a lot of stuff. Good, good going on. I got something fun for that. I did this weekend. That was also stressful.

But also this is going to be a little bit of a has your wife ever done this sort of thing. So Adam Ray comedian who we've talked about in the show, we told the great USC story about Matt getting into a frat party. We're going to have Adam Ray on the show. If you don't know Adam Ray, look him up, go on his Instagram. He's been a comic for years, touring, great guy. He, in the last few years, has developed a Dr. Phil character where he does this impersonation, full bald cat mustache, makeup, everything. And he plays Dr. Phil,

a ridiculous version of Dr. Phil. I think he even has Dr. Phil's blessing and he's touring doing these live Dr. Phil shows. He had asked me like a year ago. He's like, when he was in Cleveland, I went to go see him do stand-up. He's like, will you do my Dr. Phil show next year? I'm like, yeah, sure, buddy. I thought it was Hollywood talk. And he hits me up like two weeks before like, oh, you're still in, right? I'm like, Adam, you did not text me for a year to remind me. So it looked like I couldn't do it for a minute there I thought I had to travel so we were at a friend's house with the kids and I

Confirmed to do it with them and I told Brie Brie goes on without telling me to invite 14 of our friends without even asking me if I a could get tickets and B Do I want it to be like this big thing? My mom was in town, you know, conveniently, so my mom was coming. Yeah, I'm not mad at her for that. I mean, it's in your hometown. But you're not mad, but would you not consult? Like, she never even said,

hey babe, do you think you could get 14 tickets to the theater, and are you okay with all of these people? So she didn't ask, she just went straight and paid for them. She just started inviting people. So then I had the job. You probably could have got them for free. Of getting everybody tickets. I did get it. Yeah, we, Adam, Adam hooked it up. But, you know, I didn't realize how big the show was. You get to this theater,

I don't know, 700 people there. There just was hundreds and hundreds of people there. And I'm backstage watching him do the show and I just start getting nervous, but they brought me out. And honestly, you should do it, Matt. I don't know if that would stress you out, but you should go on Dr. Phil live. So that, so golf is golf and anything like being on TV and all that, like when you don't feel comfortable, it's nerve wracking, but you kind of just like, I don't know golf is hard. So no one expects you to be really good. What you did would, I would shit my pants, the reason why is because with comedians, you just don't, you don't know, right?

You don't know, like that's the whole point, is there's like, there's no script, you're in a theater, there's a lot of people there, and you just have no idea what's gonna happen, and I feel like you're good. It's all improv, it's all improv. And I was gonna say, you're good at that. It's all improv, it's all off the cuff.

It's all just banter, being witty and funny and just going with the thing, which again is not my strong suit. So like, you know what, Jerry? You know what, buddy? Do it. I'm proud of you. I got out of my comfort zone.

I'm proud of you because we need to get you out of your comfort zone. You gotta go from a no guy to a, you know what, let's go guy. And that's what you did I will give a shout out to my mom who's leaving town today. She had a great line I was actually thinking we might get her on the pod just a little other way She's upstairs packing I could get her deaf you want to hear some hot Yankee takes. She'll come out here and spit off some

Yankee yeah, she was just talking by the way. She was telling me. She's like you know I was at the 1963 World Series Yankees Dodgers. I'm like, you were not, stop, you're like 12 years old. Your parents didn't even like baseball. She pulled out the ticket stuff. I was about to say, you think she's lying to you? She's got the 1963. Can we get her on the pod?

You know what? Let's get her on the pod in baseball playoffs in the fall. Football also, does she follow football at all? A little bit. I look, if you want, I could get her down here later in the show for one scorching hot Yankees take she'll deliver on cue. But she did have the line in the night. A couple of my friends, because the show, look, the show's dirty.

Like they curse, they tell a lot of X-rated jokes or whatever. One of my friends at the end asked my mom, like, you know, how are you with all that comedy, you know, a lot of dick jokes and this stuff? My mom's like, I went to every entourage premiere for eight years in a row. It's nothing I haven't heard before so shout out so much But you should Adams gonna ask you to do it the dr. Phil show just be ready and when they do an LA show so Have your ready if you don't want to do I was about to say I'm all about like you know me man I've skated in the LA Kings Jersey,

making fun of myself in front of 15,000. I just played golf on TV as the worst player by far. And I hit two different people, one golf cart, one guy. That is one thing that I'm just going to be like, listen, dude, I'm going to have to pass. I'd rather just, you know, I'd rather be there. I'll be at the show. I'll come watch. I'll come watch and you can make fun of me in the stands, whatever you want, but I'm not getting up on stage. Well, shout out to Adam Ray. We're going to get him on the show this summer. And it is now time for the flavor of the week presented by Wendy's. Find your new favorite frosty fusions flavor today with choices like Oreo, Brownie, caramel crunch and pop tarts strawberry. So I don't think you got a chance to watch a lot of the French open Alcaraz with a great win. That was one of the longest matches I've ever seen.

Five hours and 29 minutes long, right? Great match. Some saying greatest all time. Who knows. However, the begs the question, Matt, and you being a professional athlete yourself, Matt, and you being a professional athlete yourself, athletes from which sport do you think are in the best shape? Now, I did a bunch of Googling, and there's a bunch of interesting articles taking in different accounts. Some people do obviously-

Define shape. It's like endurance, but also- Strength. Strength, some put flexibility in there. So for you, if you had to put even two or three athletes off the top of your head that you think have to be in the best shape and whatever that means. Sport, you mean sport, right?

Like what, yeah, what sport gives you the fittest athletes? I didn't even, I mean, I didn't even Google this. No, go off the dome. The one to me that is absolutely fascinating and it could be men and women, doesn't matter, is gymnastics. But men, gymnastics, and some of the stuff that they do, and I read something about this recently,

that's why it's on the top of my head, like the pommel horse and the rings and all of that stuff. You just, that's pure physical strength, right? I can't even keep myself up, you know, like my core is just like, that's pure physical strength, right? I can't even, I can't even like keep myself up, you know, like at my core is just like, it's weak. The other one, and I've done this first hand is UFC fighters. Right. Fight boxing, MMA, wrestling, all of the fighters. MMA to me, whether it's, you know, even more UFC because I trained UFC for summer. And I thought I was in good football shape, football shape to be honest with you,

like hockey's better shape, probably, you know. Well, football is a lot of dead time at least. Football's caught at dead time. So it's a lot of stop and go, stop and go. So that's how you train. You like, you know, we're not running marathons, right? You train in spurts, like five second spurts. But UFC, like doing a three, like three three minute rounds,

you feel like you're gonna die. And I did, and so like for me, that would be probably the two off the top of my head. Well, I went down the rabbit hole with this, obviously tennis is up there. Well, look, fun facts. And this is, however, I don't think there's a definitive answer. Soccer players run as much as seven miles. That's running

minutes, like running. Right. Yeah. Uh, water polo. A few articles had water polo as the number one, cause you're treading water the whole time. All that. Um, that might be my number one. Fun fact with NFL wide receivers and corners, they run about a mile and a half within four 15 minute quarters. That's pretty good hockey. Obviously we said swimming, uh, and then you get into rugby was up there and rowing. Well, those get rugby. Those guys are just in animals. Yeah. I think water polo was the dominant number one for all the articles. Let me You know what, let me tell you, let me tell you a quick story about water polo.

So, on that USC. I didn't know we had a water polo story. On that USC, and at the time, this was before we had a nice facility, so a lot of the sports shared one weight room. It was actually awesome, because it was like the dungeon, it was small, it was USC before, and like, it was,

we always kind of say our teams like, built the future for USC Right because of all the money we made the school and the championships whatever but we would share we will work out with Water polo and our water polo at the time they won like three national championships in a row just monsters all European dudes like and so the we were training one day and we were like in this little room where you can go off and do core or stretch or whatever and There's I don't know how many say three or four and they're doing planks just normal planks and we're doing 30 minute play I'm not kidding you bro. They did they were holding 10 minute planks

That's not and I'm like and I'm like and I think yo Yovon You have Yovon gotten a little trouble at USC as a coach But at the time I was like, we're doing one minute, we're just doing like, yeah, like bicycles, like normal abs. These dudes are just, and they're jacked. These dudes are just holding 10 minute planks. Like it's nothing, like just whatever.

Throw a 35 pound plate on their back. Oh yeah, and I'm like, they're just holding it, like not even shaking. And I'm like, how long you guys, I believe it was 10 minutes or like five minutes at a time. It was unbelievable. It might be water polo. That might be our answer.

It might be water polo, dude. And also the nasty shit that goes on. They said they're kicking, punching under there. There's like bunch of shit. It's like- That you don't see under the water. It's like rugby in the water. Like soccer, like soccer.

I mean, yeah, it's physical. I'm gonna go on a water polo deep dive after this. That's a great question. What are the top three? Give us your answers to hit us on social at throwback show whether it's on Instagram YouTube tiktok you whatever just give us your comments your thoughts on Fitness, I still think the rings and gymnastics has got to be the hardest thing you'd ever do Um, I think the boys are here. So let's hit a quick break. We're gonna come back with Blake and Jackson

a quick break. We're going to come back with Blake and Jackson. All right. We got Blake and Jackson here. We were talking a little bit off the air where Matt was basically telling them, like, did you look up Jerry and know what entourage and then you, Blake, what did you say about entourage? Then my dad likes entourage. Yeah. That's when you know you're an old ass man. When you have a podcast guest on, it's like, dude, my dad loved your work. I tried to tell him. I said, Jerry's a dog, and he's an iconic figure. By the way, have you ever even go watch Entourage?

It crosses every generation. It's a freaking awesome show. It's a best show. Well, here's one thing I want to tell you guys about it, right? The hook of the show is basically behind the scenes of like this young up-and-coming movie star who has like all of his boys work for him, right? And I get asked a lot like what would Entourage be today and me being a huge YouTube golf fan Like it's all I watch at this point, right? So big fans of what you guys do. If you were gonna make Entourage now,

I think you would find like a good good, like a YouTube golf channel and cut and make the show scripted that way. Like we're going to follow these group of YouTube golfers and their wild ride as they navigate this story. Cause that was the whole thing when Entourage was always guys are in this normal guys are in this extraordinary circumstance now. And I feel like you guys have that obviously going on with the ride that good goods been right dude. Yeah, crazy. No, I definitely want to watch it. I've seen like clips too on TikTok because I looked you up and then you know, the algorithm is like starts feeding me stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's cool. Jerry was like 70 pounds heavier though. It's true. It's true. So we broke down a

little bit of Matt's run in the tournament, but you guys were there and you know, but you were kind of giving us some analysis. Did you get a good view of Matt drilling the kid flying the green? Did you guys have a good view? Oh yeah, I had a great view too. I was off to the side. Can I just preface this really quick? We did the episode last week and I knew it was going and I'm like, guys, I told Jerry, Jerry's a pretty good golfer. I feel like I could get good if I try if I practice because I can stripe the ball pretty good sometimes. But like I was terrified. I was like, dude, it's on TV. I'm going to hit somebody's fucking bullshit. I don't know why I'm calling the shot. No, but I'm like, I'm in this mode where I'm just gonna go have fun, I'm gonna meet the boys, I'm gonna have fun, I'm getting into golf, whatever. But I preface, I said, I'm going to hit somebody today. That was my biggest fear. And the second shot of the day, just striped that kid

right in the hip, point her. Well, two things. One, when you hit the kid, he got so excited. I know. He literally high-fived his friend next to him. Like, insane. By the way so he DM'd me on Instagram, like the next day, and he goes, I'll read it, I gotta find it.

He goes, hey Mr. Eliner, just what's up? His name's Hunter. My name's Hunter. I'm the kid you hit today on the golf course. He's like, what a great experience, I'll never forget. And I go, man, I'm sorry, dude, thanks for being a good sport. And he goes, hey, do you think you could follow me on IG so I can show all my friends? I go done, bro

Nothing was scarier than when Jamal hooked that shot though. I forgot what hole Yes snap hook right into the fan yeah Yes, you know buzzed them like yeah I might have been a couple of vodkas deep at that point It was right after I I got you a drink. It was right after I got you Did you guys have a view like Matt's gonna be dining out on that par 3? 162 7 iron over the water that he spun back 20 feet. You guys have a good view Oh, yeah, I was on the teabag talking to it the whole I was a guy's this one has a chance

This one has a chair. Welcome. Welcome. Oh, yeah, by the way, I looked I didn't so this might be naive of me because I figured you guys are all pretty Good golfers You guys are both pretty fucking good golfers, dude, you know, we're not bad I'm not bad, you know like for Blake for a big guy You're you could fucking strike the ball and then Jackson yet some funny videos on there. Just come on I don't know. But you ever ever, like how often do you golf? When not on camera, like when you guys aren't doing a video. How often do you have a recreational,

like, hey, let's go play some golf. No cameras. I probably had 10 of them since I moved down here. Yeah, not often. Not often. I'm serious. Sadly, no. Well, cause it's almost like, hey, if we're gonna go play,

why not, why like lose the content day out of it? Yeah, exactly. What if something amazing happens? Yeah, there's like a couple things behind it like for example The one of the first times I ever got close to beating Garrett was at Paines Valley and I was like up I was up three straight up seven with strokes with like seven to play and We weren't recording it and Garrett came back and beat me So you when you're not recording these rounds you miss out on stuff like that Yeah, but also the rule of thumb just like always be recording like what's the worst that happens? And Garrett came back and beat me. So you, when you're not recording these rounds, you miss out on stuff like that. Yeah.

But also the rule of thumb, just like always be recording. Like what's the worst that happens? You don't have a video. You just scrap the footage or make a reel out of it or something. Yeah. I think for the other guys as well, they've been doing it so long that like, if they're not recording, they're not going to play. Yeah.

Cause it's a day off for them. Why do they go play golf on a day off? It's work essentially. I guess I wouldn't show up on a film set if I wasn't working that day. I wouldn't be, well I'm gonna go by the set anyway and just hang out. So we didn't talk about this last week

cause we were a little, we were, you know, a little lathered up, we had fun. Saucy. So how do you guys get involved with Good Good and what are exactly your roles? Cause I know Blake, you said you like to kind of edit and kind of be behind the camera sometimes. Like what exactly do you guys give us a little origin story?

Yeah. So I actually grew up with Garrett or not grew up, but we met each other when we were like 14, same with some of the other guys kept in touch with them like. Forever. And then my content started doing really well three or four years ago, doing mini stuff so i was just on tiktok posting mini golf like stupid mini golf trick shots stuff like that and that eventually led me into good good when they needed a guy since i already knew them all i would come down and hang out with them all the time stuff like that and then finally got the call up and then from there just i'm like a utility guy really us both like

whatever they need us for we're, whether it's playing or filming or anything we can do. Yeah. Or commentating. Yeah. It's fun. My story is a little different. It has nothing to do with golf at all, actually.

Um, yeah. So I met Garrett five years ago playing call of duty. Um, yeah. So Garrett put something on a story and was like, hey, if anybody wants to play Call of Duty with me, I need somebody good to take me on a game. Carry me, any backpack? Yeah, I texted him and I was like, hey, I'll play with you.

He didn't respond because he's Garrett Clark. He big-timed you. He's big-timed, like what? And then eventually he saw it, he responded, and the first day we played, this is right when the game first came out, and I dropped a really high-kill game that nobody was doing.

So he was like, oh wait, we gotta keep playing. So we kept playing, this came that, we talked for four years, and then they went on a little road trip, and they were like, yo, Jackson, we're coming to Kentucky, that's where I'm originally from, and they're like, you gotta come. I went and saw them, we hit, we hit it off and then-

So you never met before that? No, we never met. So I met them when they were on the road trip. It was so crazy. I remember like it was yesterday. They were like, you have to drive. I drove an hour out of the way to go see them. And then when we were there, I left and Garry was like, you know, love the vibe.

Come down to Texas for a week. And this is where it gets crazy. You were there. That's what I was seeing. I know, love the vibe come down to Texas for a week and this is where it gets crazy You were that's what I was here. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so I go to Texas for a week Blake's there This is the first time I'm also like on the couch just like visiting the boys. Yeah yeah, it was he was just visiting and then I Kind of like as a joke was like hey, I'll move into this office down here Like you guys have this empty podcast room, office. Nothing is in here. There's no closet, there's no bathroom.

Yo, I'll move in here. I'll take it. And they were like, okay. And I was like, are you sure? And they were like, sure. And I dropped out of school that day. You dropped out of school that day? Yeah, so crazy.

What year were you in college? What year were you in? I have a year left. You had a year left? Yeah. What did What year were you in college? I have a year left. You had a year left? Yeah. What did the family say about that one? My mom said go and do it. You know what? That's a good call.

My mom said you would be stupid not to. And look at you now. So I slept on a bean bag for the first like two weeks and then I slept on a couch for the next eight months. God, that just brings me back to college. Oh, it was, I mean I wouldn't trade anything for the world. I mean, when I first got down there, so you got the story, but my role first coming down here was like the live streamer. I'm the video gamer guy. If you need me behind the camera, I can do that.

But if you need me to play golf, I can also play golf. So like a Swiss army knife type of guy. And then so when I first moved down here, we would like, I'll be gaming in my room and I have like a TV above my whole setup. So like, they would all be in there just watching me. And it was like seven of us packed in a room. Like we're in college, like we're freshmen in college. And yeah, I mean, it's insane. It was a frat. It was a frat. I can't think of any better criteria than someone who's good with the camera, good with

the golf club and good with a controller or a mouse and key on Call of Duty Those are three attributes that I would be very happy if my own sons grew up and had so yeah my my ju My junior year I shared my This is a funny story to my junior year the year. I won the Heisman. I was sharing a room with my boy I was sharing a one bedroom. That's just, we just lived like, it was called the Caribbean. This was when Halo had just came out. So this was going way back to System Link guys. System Link. So we had, we had all the cables wrapped around the whole apartment complex. There's probably

20, it was small. And we would play like split screen like 16 boxes dude on System Leak Halo with all the boys. The boys would come over the lineman like it was the it was oh dude. Hey guys, the lineman coming. Come here. Come here. We got to take three minutes. Hold on. I'm gonna have I'm gonna put Cole on really quick. Let's see him. SMU's finest. So you got Blake and Jackson from Good Good and you know Jerry but hold on we just tell them about your trip to Dallas. One second. Oh here we go.

Cole Liner. Such a young show we got going on today. This is a stud. Cole Liner everybody. SMU's finest. What's up Cole? Hey yo yo yo. What's up? How are you guys? You had yourself a weekend, huh? Talik, can you give us a little bit? Yeah, yeah. Friday we get in, meet the recruits, hang with the coaches, had some meetings and stuff. Dinner and then we got to take a photo shoot which I'm sure you guys saw. We saw. We got a dog. We got a blackout photo shoot. You got me all fired up. Oh, trust me. I'm fired up too.

But my dad got to get in a few photos and that was pretty cool. All my family's. That was awesome. But it was overall just a great weekend. I love everything about SMU and the culture and staff that they have. So I'm really just pumped. Which is crazy because you didn't even touch a ball yet. You didn't even put your hands on the football yet and you're fired up. Didn't even touch a football. Just everyone being there I was pumped, but you guys are in Dallas. We'll be hanging out I'll be hanging out. Oh, yeah Right here. Yeah, we've never been to an SMU game either. Yeah, so we're gonna have to come there

We go tickets now. Oh, yeah, they said they never been to an SMU game and I said, let's go we got every wait real quick I know you guys like to do the like name the college Oh God player went to I'll hit you with an easy one. Cole, this is relevant for you. What college did Bryson DeChambeau go to? SMU. SMU. SMU, baby. Yeah, he's the goat. Yeah, he's a stud, dude. Watching him hit a golf ball is unreal.

Yeah. I'm just he's hitting his his grips are literally like, he's like Andre the giant grips. Oh, they're massive. I don't want to. He has like, Andre the Giant grips. Oh they're massive. I don't want to talk about hitting golf balls. My golf game is brutal. Yeah, but you'll be one of those guys that like, you'll pick it up in a year and you'll be like, four handicapped inside of it.

You'll pick it up real quick. Athlete. I wish. I've been trying to golf like my whole life with my friends and I am awful. It's so tough. I can't like, focus like that. It was crazy. Every shot I'm far right.

Four. Just gotta scream four. You need 260 pound linebackers coming after you to be able to focus. Yeah. Yeah. At least I didn't hit someone like my pop star. I don't think I'd hit someone but hey. Dude. Well, call. We're proud of you, man. My dad's picture's a dope. I appreciate you guys. Thank you.

Nice meeting you, brother. Nice to meet you, dog. We'll see you soon. It'll be fun to hang out with him. Oh, yeah. Did, and tell, like, real quick before, well, here's a question for you guys, because I know you've been around for a few years, and like, when you kind of came in with Good Good, they were probably already a pretty big thing, but was there ever any insight?

So, Entourage was notorious for cameos, right? Where we had, you know, LeBron, James, Matt Day, we had all these cameos over the years, became part of the show, but early on with Entourage, it was impossible to get cameos, because nobody kind of knew what the show was, and they were like, are you making fun of us? We're real actors over here.

Do you ever get any insight? Because now, like, you just had Jack Nicholas just did like a teaching video. I saw, and obviously clips with Jason day Bryson like it must have been hard probably to get PGA guys Particularly to come on the channel back in the day, right dude. Yeah I mean we both joined at like a later stage and how to write there was already success there But I think to what helps go get a lot was like It was built up just

with the guys and it was like standalone. Like we didn't need, they didn't need the collabs because I think that helps in the content space. Like if you're relying solely on who you have on and who you're playing with, you can't stand alone, but like Guggo was able to build by themselves. And so now it's like being partnered with Calloway one is huge, all their pros. And then like we, we worked with play yellow, which is Jack's charity So that got the Jack's like now I feel like the clubs are great

But I think you know being able to build yourself without collabs early on like sets you up for Produce the future because people are watching you for you. Not the yeah, not who you have on Yeah, you guys have a big you have a big event coming up in Chicago, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah Well one love for you guys explain a little bit but have a big event coming up in Chicago, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. Well, one, I'd love for you guys to explain a little bit, but two also, where do you see, cause I was reading articles about you guys after and just like fascinated by the growth. I think it's awesome.

Just all the boys hanging out, playing golf, shooting the shit, and you guys are awesome, getting to know you. What's the vision for Good Good, you know, like over the next handful of years? Is it to become, you know, like more products? Are you going to do golf clubs? Is it like, I know it's a clothing and kind of this lifestyle YouTube stuff.

Like what's the vision for you guys? Yeah, man, I mean, I think for the most part, like becoming more of a standalone apparel company, like where, because it's getting to the point now too, where you see people wearing a good, good hat and they have no idea who we are, like, no, like, or anything content, like, cause they just bought it at shields or Dicks or golf, whatever. So like, I think getting to the point where the company is almost separate from the, like, I don't think the content will never stop.

Like we're just going to keep cranking and no plans to stop that. But I think, you know, continuing to grow the actual brand outside of content It's definitely like the main goal Yeah, yeah Cuz the content right now and early on is what drove people to buy the merch But then eventually when you get like Blake said you get the merch in these stores People are gonna go and buy the clothes just because they like what it looks like so like for example

I'm golfing in the middle of nowhere in Beaumont, Texas and This guy is wearing a good good hat and I go oh nice hat, you know, and he goes Oh, yeah, I got this one and I got a bad hat and and I was like, oh like bad birdie He was like I have no idea. I just when I play good I wear the good hat I play bad with a bad hat. That's like it's like the clothes itself will become something that's even as big as the YouTube channel one Once time goes on and people keep buying them in Dix and like if you I don't know if you guys have gone to Dix or Shields or they're all over Dix. I'd say they literally have like their own section. It's insane. It's so cool Like I used to work at Dix in college like it's so I'm going in I'm looking at the good good stuff I'm like dang why couldn't this be here when I was here?

I'm holding out for that good good care package. That's why I got you guys on I'm sending one out today's to another shoot me your stuff. I was definitely an early You know YouTube golf guy cuz I love golf so much but similarly like there was this interesting crossover We were talking to video games early and I remember some of my friends and even like my older brother, like when I would watch streams on Twitch, like you're watching other guys play video games. How was that fun? I'm like, you just don't get it then it's fun. And obviously I was right. They were wrong and it exploded. Similarly with like YouTube golf. I would get from some of my friends like, but why wouldn't you just watch like the,

you know, the rocket mortgage event or whatever? I'm like, I do, but there's something about when I'm not playing golf that I like watching guys that are real friends and giving us insight into the round. And some of them are really good, but like they sometimes like can hit shots like I hit that are not very good. And it's funny, all those like kind of old head friends that I have that were initially like, I don't get why you watch like other guys play golf, go play golf now obsessed. And they talk about it

as if like now I'm left out of the conversation. Like I put you guys onto this. Uh, it must have been really fun. I guess the side question to that is what are some collaborations, we'll call it, outside of YouTube golf, whether it's a PGA golfer or an actor or another, like you guys just had all these football players, like who are you guys targeting? What's like a dream? You know, we really like Scottie Shett or whoever. Like what is there someone out there you could reveal? Because you guys have gotten so many people already. Yeah, like a good like a good club coming up or like a personal like goal I know I know just one that like you would love to see happen. Let me guess he went to Penn State Oh, he did let me tell you I mean say Kwan say Kwan. I mean cuz he's a big golfer

He is a big golfer and I mean, I think Is that him? Is that your yeah? Is that your dream? That would be my dream collab just like anything with the Eagles or like just Penn State in general just like a shout out really quick Shout out to James Franklin Penn State I Face that FaceTime. No, I just call you called him I called James Franklin the other night me and me and Jackson a couple drinks and James answered, but he was like hello drinks and James answered but he was like hello. And then he texted me the next morning.

Splooshed out like a three minute conversation. Let's go, we are. He texted me the next morning. He's like dude I was sleepy. I go my bad man, my bad. Saquon, how about you Blake? Who's your? I already know his.

His has gotta be Patty. Well yeah, so currently we're doing an NFL series. So we did the Eagles which actually was, we were supposed to play with Saquon. It was all set up. But it was the day after the Met Gala. And he pretty much told the guys like that day that he needs someone to fill. So Dallas Goddard ended up filling for him, which was great.

Cause I love Goddard, but so we're doing like NFL series. So we did the, we did the Philadelphia, we did the Bengals tomorrow. We're actually filming with, uh, Dak Pickens and CD here in Dallas. I don't, I mean, I don't know when this podcast will come out, but they'll see that eventually. But so yeah, whenever the Chiefs collab happens, that will be, I mean, Mahomes is my guy. We used to play the same golf course.

I would see him at the golf course all the time. I was just in his event a couple of weeks ago. He's a good golfer. How does that happen? Do you guys reach out or do they reach out or? Yeah, I mean, a lot of us follow. Yeah, I think, you know, you can follow, you can, it can start with a DM and you know,

it goes from there or like, I'm pretty sure Dak approached Blake or Brad. Yeah. Dak approached Brad somehow and then they set this up. So. Yeah. Dude, Brad is an absolute monster. He's insane at golf. Sonny, fair. By the way, you got Patty and Kelsey because they both love golf.

That would be such a banger. Yeah. So that's what I'm like holding out for because just as a Kansas City guys That would be peak. They must be like Royals too. I want to do it I want to do a baseball series eventually also with Bobby. Yeah, be sick I'm gonna have to hold out for when you guys do TV actors from the early 2000s. That's what I guess I gotta Well, I proposed to them. So I still stand by this so week one we're going out to Ohio State, Texas, which is like the biggest game of the year and usually we stay at Muirfield and We have we can get on Muirfield and shit and Jerry Liz Jerry Liz in Cleveland. He's about an hour from Muirfield

So I was like, let's do why don't we do a big thing with Big Noon, Good Good, Mark Ingram, Urban, Brady, me, Jerry can come and we'll just- Brady Quinn's the hookup, the plug at Muir Field. Well so is Urban, they're both members there. Yeah, they're both members. We're gonna be there though. We need to have a conversation with you actually.

Yeah. What? Seriously, we need to have, I don't know if we're allowed to say what we're gonna do. No yeah, say it, we can add it if you need it still. Okay, we're coming out conversation with you actually. Yeah. What? Seriously, we need to have, I don't know if we're allowed to say what we're doing. No, yeah. Say it, we can add it in if you need it still. Okay, we're coming out with a college line. We're coming out with college clothes,

so there's gonna be an SMU hat, Penn State hat, I don't know if there's USC hat. There is USC. There is? Okay, there's a Trojans hat, Penn State, Kentucky. By the way, I'm already seeing a deal with my oldest when he's at SMU. All right, should we do,

so you guys are playing the college game then this whole time? Sure. Nah, we got some names for you guys are playing the college game then this whole time? Now we got some names for you boys. This is what we did. We were literally walking down the fairway. So, okay, this is really what happened. Garrett and Matt were in the tournament

and I'm not the kind of guy that's gonna like step on toes and like act like I need to be inside the ropes, you know? I'm over on the side just driving Blake's car around, right? Garrett come. I don't feel like I saw you to like hole six. Yeah, because I was just letting you guys do your thing. I didn't want to like interfere with anything. And then Garrett comes up to me and he goes, do you hate me?

And I'm like, no, I what? And then he goes, walk with us. So I was like, okay, Ashton, take the card. I'm going to go walk with these guys. And then Garrett on the green literally goes, yeah, Jackson for some reason can name literally every college player. And I was like, okay, I can't do that. And then, so me and Matt, we just started walking down the fairway and we're like Mark, you're more to go to

college and then easy Bama dog. And then just like randomly the entire time, just name an athletes. And I think that's literally what started our friendship. Now, is it just football or could you go basketball? I can go basketball I mean I went to the University of Kentucky, so I went to a pretty big basketball school Well some of these we have now. I'm worried because of like the age. I wonder if we went too far back What do you think in a list matter we go to no? Let's go so we're doing now We're doing front front nine and back nine front nine is gonna be a little yeah, this is fucking easy, dude These are easy. They will get harder. You see my ball. You've seen our ball knowledge. Yeah it's pretty good.

That's what I'm saying. It's pretty good. Take the wheel Matt. I'm not a Rajon Rondo. Okay he literally went to Kentucky. We'll start you off with a gentle handshake. How about Drew Brees? Purdue. Okay. Dog. hot. Dwayne Wade. Marquette. These are the easy ones. Ben Simmons. LSU. This one's easy. I'll even ask this one. By the way we talked about, oh C-Mac, C-Mac you know. Kristen McCaffrey? Stanford. Where'd his brother go? Toby Gerhart. Where'd his brother go? Yeah where his brother go? Where'd his brother go? Yeah, where'd his brother go? I asked you that last week. I didn't even know McCaffrey had a brother.

Where'd Luke go? Where'd Luke McCaffrey go? Luke McCaffrey went to... Didn't he transfer? No. Give me the state, give me the state. I don't know the state. Oh, he don't know the state.

I think it's what conference? There's a bowling green, what are we talking here? No. Dude, I don't know the conference. Baby think it's a bowling green. What are we talking here? No, I don't know the conference, baby conference USA. Where you go? Rice. Rice Houston. Okay. It is here.

Okay. I mean in Texas, it's in Houston, Texas. Rice isn't Houston. Say Calvin Johnson. Yeah. Georgetown. Nope. No, not Georgetown.

Georgia tech. George. Well, you had it. We knew you. George's tech. George tech. George Tech. Georgia Tech. Well, yeah, you had it. We knew you. Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech. All right.

Let's go. Well, I'm saving this one. Let's go Matt Schaub. That's not how you even say his name, Jerry. Is it Matt Schaub? Schaub. Schaub. I know this is the first one you're stumbling.

I know he played for the Texans. I don't know. Yeah, we played. He played. Well, it might have been before before your time a little he was Virginia Virginia yeah I would never have guessed that Leveon Bell you too young for Leveon Bell no yeah yeah yeah dog dog you know I don't think I know I don't by the way I don't even know who's that you don't even know Jerry Michigan State okay I knew that I knew that I knew that I knew that these are the harder ones

All right, I'll sprinkle in a easier one Bradley Beale, uh Florida yes, I knew you'd get that one. Yeah, okay, Ricky Fowler Whoo OSU. Yeah, Oklahoma State Sheffler come on, you know this one. Was it Texas? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

John Rahm. Ooh. You went into ASU. Yeah. Yes, there I am. So we found your sweet spot. How about Baker Mayfield, but where did he start his ball at? Okay, this is easy because I told you.

Oh, did we do Baker? He's the one who gave you the ASU. but where did he start his ball at? Okay, this is easy because I told you. I literally... Oh, did we do Baker? He's the one who gave you the answer. No, I literally said, well, who did he give a two or two in college? Oh, yeah, you're right. Okay, hold on. Pat Mahomes. Really? Time out. Hey, if you guys get this, you guys are OGs.

Okay, Aaron Rodgers, but where did he start? Before Cal? Before Cal. Okay. Aaron Rodgers, but where did he start? Before Cal. Before Cal. Ooh, I'm not going to get that. This is well documented. I saw the documentary and I don't remember. I watched this documentary.

By the way, no offers out of high school. Wow. So he went to junior college. Okay. Garden City. Garden City Community College. I can only name like three Juco's in the world. Butte Junior College. Look it up. He made it. Where's that at? Yeah. Dog. Last chance. All right.

We got a few more. This one will be tough. This one might be before your time, but it's a Dallas guy, Tony Romo. Tough. This is tough. No, this isn't tough. This is a... Not a big time. It is tough. It's a small school. No, I know. That's why I know it. Come on. Come on. Dog.

Dog Jackson. Dog. Oh, is it Texas? Well, we'll come back to it. Yeah, come back to that one. We'll come back to it. Bucky Irving. You know what?

I was going to ask you this the other day. Dude, he's a rookie at the NFL. I don't know him. I don't know it. I was going to ask you this the other day because I didn't know it. Wow really? Where's my little Bucky Irving? No. Oregon Juck. Picture it on the record. I played with him. Arizona, Arizona. He's older. Played Thompson? Washington State. Very good. You are the real deal. You know what? I tried to recruit Klay Thompson to USC.

I was on a football with him. Where did his brother go? Do you know where his brother, what, sporting place? Trace Thompson? Yeah. I mean, he played for the Dodgers. Mine are the Leeds, I know that. He played in the MLB.

Tyree Kill. Oh, we did that last year. OSU. No, OSU. You started it. OSU? Well, different OSU. Yeah, Oklahoma State.

Different OSU. No, we did. It was Oklahoma State. Yeah. University of West Alabama first, and then he went to Oklahoma State. Yeah. Oh, I got one, time out, I got one.

Oh gosh, he's smiling. I got a good one. Devin Singletary. Oh. This one's tough, bro. I'm looking it up just because I want to know. Is this not the greatest game ever played? We did this till 2 a.m. the other night. I know. I'll give you, how about I get, well, this one can help you. Give me a conference. Well, how about I just give you the team name? De. The mascot. The owls. Temple? Nope.

No, good guess though. Uh, conference... I don't even know. I think they're Conference USA. Conference USA. They're in the, they're in the, they're in the state of Florida. They're in the south. State of Florida. Oh, is that...

Do it, Blake. No, that's not FGCU. You guys have no idea. Oh, it's No, it's not. You guys have no. Oh, it's it's FAU. Yep. We gave you some time. Are we are we admitting defeat on Tony Ramos College? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's right. All right. It happened. Wait, give me a conference. Illinois University. Yeah. Jimmy Garoppolo. Does that work? Jimmy G went there. I'm pretty sure. So before we let you go, you got a big event in Chicago.

Chi town next? Yeah I don't want to say it wrong but it's King in the Mountain I believe. Yeah it's a Mountain Dew thing. Yeah and that's just your crew right? That's your guys? I think it's 16 people. 16 people, 8 teams and it's like a knockout I'm pretty sure. Will you guys golf? Will you guys play? I'm not sure. I hope so Oh, you don't know maybe just stay loose stay loose. I gotta be ready. Oh, yeah. Yeah I'm coming up some innings. Yeah, we got a lot of guys are awesome, man Uh, well, we'll link up in the fall if not before for sure, but let's talk about the college stuff Yes, and keep my guy Maddie ice golfing like he's got he's got the way I'm going I'm going to Tahoe in three weeks Oh, are you playing in the...

Accenture! I'm playing with Austin Reeves on Wednesday. Oh, that's what he says. Sick, yeah. When are you coming back to Dallas? But here's the problem, bro. I'm playing 18 holes with him. I played 12 the other day and I fazed out after five.

I'm playing all 18 holes. You'll be fine. I'd be an athlete though, yeah. You'll be an athlete. You're an athlete. Fellas, can't thank you enough. Thank you guys so much, guys. Thank you. That's so funny. You guys be fine. I'll be an athlete. Oh, yeah, be an athlete. You're an athlete Fellas can't thank you enough. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, thank you. That's so good. You're good. The guys are awesome Thanks for getting my man Matt further on the golf grind. Absolutely. All right, we'll be back All right coming back look I again if you have not watched good good

You could see right there that the hang, the vibe, what they're kinda selling, those two are tremendous. That's a tremendous hang right there. I see why you had so much fun. We had a blast, dude. We had such a blast. Should we do a little mailbag? It's been a minute. Let's do it, man.

All right. What we got? I pulled one, and I gotta read it again to understand it, but if I'm understanding this correctly, I got a lot to say. It's from Julian in California. Okay. Youth sports question. And hopefully this isn't too confusing.

My son's third grade little T little league team has a five run rule to prevent an inning from getting out of control. However, in the last inning of the game, let's say you've scored four runs and the bases are loaded and you hit a grand slam. They won't cut it off at five They'll allow the four runs to count. But again, that's just in the last inning. Okay, we're following So in this scenario in my son's game four runs were in

Bases were loaded and the lead was two The coach then intentionally walked in the run to hit the five run rule to end the inning and the game with a one run win. Again this is third grade. Is this smart managing or a lame way to win? Let me ask this question. Is this All-Stars or is this regular season? We don't have that information, Julian. If write us back, I mean... Because I will say this. It's third grade. Yeah, if this is an All-Star, All-Star tournaments,

which I can't imagine, it could be, it could be. So what are they? Nine years old? Nine years old, probably. Eight, nine years old. So it should be kid pitch. So if it's All-Stars, listen, I'm doing anything to win in all stars. I was a part of it with Cole. I will, we in, even at this age, absolutely. In all stars, which is important, which is the higher level you're higher.

You're trying to win to advance whatever the rules are, the rules. Um, is it Bush league apps of fucking Lutely, but I would do it in all stars. Now in the regular season, I mean, I would probably go up to the coach and be like, what the fuck are we doing here, buddy? Yeah. But I have no problem with that in all stars. So playoffs, playoffs, I'm trying to win, dude.

I'm teaching my kids that we will win. And if they're a rule, you follow the rule. That's like whatever. Now I agree with you. Like the win at all costs thing. I do think we, you know, it's gotten away from us a little bit over the years with, uh, oh, no one won. It was a tie.

Like teaching your kids how to lose is just as important as teaching your kids how to win. I've had it. I had a thing happen with my six year old in soccer. He was doing really well. One of the kids on the other team didn't really love that and like kind of swung at him. It was a wild scene.

I won't get fully into the details. Here's my problem with it, Matt at the all-star level at that age Don't you want your team to? Simulate the experience once that rule goes away when they get older and that rule will go away when they start getting into 10 11 12 baseball they still love it Don't you want your kids to feel, even at all star level, feel that stress of you're on the mound, bases loaded, two run lead, work yourself out of this. And don't you want the other team to get the chance to get the at bat with the

bases loaded and a chance to walk off? You're robbing that experience. Oh, you're taking that. That's a, but that's a real baseball experience, dude. You can't be like, oh, walk in the room. It's not a real baseball experience because there's limited runs. This isn't real baseball that you can't, you only got to score. But they will play real baseball one day

when that rule won't be available. Yeah, so then you cross that bridge when they get there. I literally dealt with this shit in All-Star Baseball. We had scenarios where it's like, well, oh, the time. We had a kid, someone was telling me the other day, maybe it was you telling me. I don't know, it's like, well, oh, the time we had a kid that someone was telling me the other day. Maybe it was you telling me. I don't know. Someone's like, oh, we have six minutes left before no new dead, no new winning. So let's fucking milk it. We would. Our coaches would go out and talk to the pitchers for like a minute and the ump would say, what you would just kill. Crazy. How old were talking for that? How old are you talking? All stars, dude, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. I think regular season

crazy. Regular season you let the games play. Now this was little league, little league playoffs. I'm trying to win. Now am I gonna like yes like three two bottom of the ninth there's one runner on like yeah but if there's rules and you can you can kind of bend the rules and figure it out then yeah like you milk the clock as much as you can so they don't get that last setback by the way they just did that in my son's and Kason's five and six year old shit which I was pissed I was like because dude we're technically not even keeping score right right at that age I don't care but like nine years old it's real kid pitch but if it's if it's a regular season game it's Bush League if it's

playoffs I get it I get it I think it's corny I's a regular season game, it's Bush league. If it's playoffs, I get it. I get it. I think it's corny. I think that I don't disagree with you. I think you're actually telling your team, we're not good enough to get out of this situation. So let's win on a technicality. Like to me, you're telling the team of young kids, I don't think we're good enough to get out of this situation. So let's walk in the guy, get the one, one, way, there was, there was a Oregon versus Ohio state last year. I'm going to butcher what happened, but there was a technicality and this is at the highest level of college football. It

was like one versus two Oregon sent like 12 men on the field for whatever reason. They got a flag, but the clock ran out. It was like one of these things. They were so smart that based on a technicality, they intentionally did that. They eventually won the game because the clock run out for Ohio State. How did that work out for long term for Oregon? It doesn't matter. Who won the national championship? In the moment, they didn't believe in their defense.

So to your point, your point is a moot point. It doesn't mean anything. People are doing that at all levels. I think that it's important for that kid on the mound to potentially give up a bases clearing double that ends the game. And then you got to deal with that kid handling that loss. You probably believe in participation trophies as well. No, I think it's the opposite. I think you're doing a part. I think that's doing a participation trophy. Hey, we got this one more.

I mean, we can actually end the game now and not play. We could not play. If the game is important, if the game is important, whether it's all stars and again, like big picture eight, nine, nine, all stars. I think that's more participation trophy than playing it out. No, you win. You win in advance. You win in advance.

That's actually being, that's actually being very smart. That's smart coaching It's my coaching. Does it teach the kids anything? I mean, are we really teaching the kids anything third grade like oh we see this is why I think it's more Participation trophy. Oh, we try it why cuz we don't want like the what if the kid strikes out with the bases loaded Then he strikes out but what I'm saying is like why? strikes out with the bases loaded. Then he strikes out. But what I'm saying is like, why, why not give him the, why not give like, we're losing the opportunity

for the real world part of sports, which is winning and losing. And you're just saying, Hey, we got this one run lead and there's a dumb rule. So this way we could keep the game moving. Let's end the game and not play it out. They're not playing the game out. They end it.

I don't, I think that's like the opposite of participation. So let's move on. Julian buddy. I would, I would get that rule. The last inning should be the last inning, whatever happens in the last inning happens. I hate that rule, Matt. I don't mind. I don't, I don't, I do too. I don't mind it. And I'm just telling you, we've done stuff where we've milked the clock. And again, we've had that against us and we're pissed, but I'm like,

but if it's like a regular season little league game on a Wednesday night and everyone's like, I'm like, no, you just play the game. Let the, yeah, you let them experience, you play the game and then in the playoffs, you really start to, we did this in all stars every summer, dude. You have to be ready.

And Ohio State Oregon's a perfect example of a technicality and it won the game for them in the regular season It was a massive game and everyone was like there's like one out play chess not checkers, right? But so then are you saying then like with the other coach it would have been smarter for the other coach to maybe Like have one of their base runners get thrown out so the bases weren't loaded. Therefore, the threat of it being like, you know what I'm saying? Like there's so at some point, you're taking away the kids actually playing the game. If you're at the major league level, do what you got to do. Fine. You're playing for millions of dollars and all that. Fine. Exploit the rules. You want to do hack a shack. Fine. Exploiting the rules.

You're thinking about like the emotions of the game for these kids. I'm thinking like I would want my kid or whatever to be like, hey, you're on the mound. You have a chance to win a crazy game and let's see what you got. Or the kid at bat. You have a chance to hit a walk off in a big game. Let's see what you got. And if you strike out, we'll deal with it. Instead, it's like, no, intentional walk. Can we move on to Nissan? Let's move on to Nissan, bro. I can't believe I bored you with this. I mean, we're just, we're, it's like beating a dead horse, bro. We're just talking in circles. I hear you. I hear you. Well, I don't disagree

with your take. It is now time for all time adventures driven by Nissan. Take adventures to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada, go to NissanUSA.com slash Armada to learn more. Okay. Couple of things to choose from. I got two for us today. Obviously Stanley cups going on. Florida Panthers specialize in agitation. It's working on their opponents. It worked to perfection and the oilers gave their loss. They're cool. So I guess my question for you, Matt, playing both the highest level of collegiate and pro football, was there ever an irritant that stuck out to you or on your own team where you're like,

I'm actually glad I don't have to play against this guy because he's annoying me or someone on the other team? So we had a guy, Deuce Latouille, my teammate who I love, he was my guard tackle in USC. And then he got, I was a first round draft Arizona pick, he was a second round pick. So we were together in Arizona too. I loved Deuce. That's awesome.

But he was one of those, he had probably like three or four like late hit penalties, because he was always, and he was 6'5", 350, huge. But he would jump on the pile late. He would, you know, talk shit, laugh at you. So like he was he was one that kind of stands out that I know everyone hated playing against because he was good but he also was like just one of those. The one player that stands out who I played against was Cortland Finnegan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, when you think of Cortland Finnegan. Oh yeah yeah yeah. And then you know when you think of Cortland Finnegan you think of the Andre Johnson fight. Andre Johnson fight. I was

on the sideline for that. I had a front row. It was amazing. But Cortland Finnegan was like 5'7". He's probably a little taller, maybe a little shorter. 1'80". He's a good player. He's a good player. Tough. But he would just irritate you. He would talk shit. He would like hold. He was just one of those when you watch film, you're like, you kind of wanted to pick on him, but he was good.

But he would also like, he just talks so much. There's a kid, Gardner Johnson. I think Gardner Johnson's one of those. Yeah. It's just like, he's been on five teams now. Like he just talks, like he just talks shit, like, like provokes you in the late hits like that. Like one of those. Who's the dude that Mike Evans always dusts up? Yeah. Courtland Finnegan was that for us and for Andre and Andre, I mean, Andre is a hall of fame

or he didn't give a shit, but it was like, he just would guard Andre and he would just, you know, punch him at the line and just be in his face and Andre and just like, dude, get the fuck out. He was a little fucking man. Marshawn Latimore and Mike Evans on site just start hitting each other. Now that's like a one-on-one bad blood. Marshawn Latimore, he was a good player. Finnegan just was a yapper. He's like, Draymond Green is probably that for a lot of people in the basketball world. T.J. McConnell tortures Knicks fans.

You want on your team, but like you hate playing against. So shout out to Cortland Finnegan. Well, we got one more Nissan adventure, uh, 29 years ago, uh, basically on Wednesday, yesterday, Michael Jordan flu game happened. So it got me thinking, right? You know, I always try to find the comparison of Hollywood and acting and sports. Do I have a flu game situation? Now I've, I've had to be on set and act through numerous bouts of flu and sickness.

Cause you can't really call in sick. It's almost impossible with acting. You really have to be knocking on death's door almost to get a day off when you're on set. Cause it just costs so much money. It's so hard to move things around. So I've played sick. I've acted sick all the time, but the one that always stood out for me, I did this movie called Las Vegas, right?

Robert De Niro, Michael Douglas, Morgan Freeman, Kevin Klein, Mary Steenberg, all these great names. Like I'm the name that doesn't belong on that list. However, and also being a part of a De Niro movie, the rumor was always De Niro works kid hours, like kids in Hollywood, they work eight hour days, that's it, they can't do the fifth. If you work with De Niro, you're doing nine to five, and he's walking out the door at five p.m.

Which is insane, I had a lot of scenes with him, nine to five. So we had this big sequence in Las Vegas where Morgan Freeman's character has to like ballroom dance with this girl. It's a big part of the whole movie. And Morgan Freeman, who's not a young guy, this is 10 years ago, comes to work like 103 fever, right? If there's anyone on the face of the earth that could call in sick and say, hey, I'm not going to be able to do it today, guys. It's Morgan Freeman. earth that could call in sick and say, Hey, I'm not going to be able to do it today. Guys.

It's Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman comes to set and he says, guys, I feel awful. This is real bad, but I'm going to give you what I got. And he was dancing with the young lady, probably by the way, and dancing with the young lady, they call cut. They're wrapping him in blankets. Now they kept saying, Morgan, we will shut down set. You don't have to work.

And they made it a little easier and they shortened the day and they picked up stuff later. But Morgan Freeman, young actors out there, 102 fever. I think he was late seventies at that point. And he worked a full eight hour a day, just about. Just breathing on everybody. Breathing on every, this is long before COVID,

so no one cared. You were allowed to work sick. but that always stuck out to me. OG. Morgan Freeman. If anyone could take a day off, certainly would have been him. So they don't make them like, they don't, they don't make them like Morgan Freeman anymore, man. You know, my main goal on that job in last year, I guess was to not get fired.

I was about to say, by the way, just, just casually shut it out. Yeah. I had a bunch of scenes with DeNiro. Oh yeah, Morgan Freeman. I was like, can we talk about that next week? Fucking shooting with DeNiro. Well, I'll leave you with a little teaser. I think that, look, those guys must know, hey, like a young Italian kid comes on set,

they must know, oh, this guy probably idolized us. They did this thing where Michael Douglas was such a cool, charismatic guy. Like they brought me over and started asking me questions. So I think it like diffuses the okay let's get it out of the way that you break the ice a little bit that you feel comfortable and then you go yeah totally broke guys but I got some good stories from that movie oh we got it hey let's get De Niro on I mean I have a fight scene with De Niro in the movie I

saw by the way I saw that movie I don't remember I got I gotta rewatch it's like senior citizen hangover I gotta go I know I gotta go on IM know. I gotta go on IMDB, man. I gotta go IMDB. Well, shout outs to Morgan Freeman. Shout outs to Cortland Finnegan. And shout outs to, uh, Jackson. Good, good. Yes. Blake Jackson, Matt. By the way, I'm semi flu game right now. I ain't gonna lie, dude. I'm in, I'm in pain. I'm not gonna talk about it though. Well, we'll leave you out this man. Just keep going. Keep working sick flu get whatever just keep going. Let's go. We're back next week. We're another good one. And Maddie, go go rest up if you can.

I try buddy.