Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Michael Chiklis puts the football pads back on, hates the Yankees and how he landed The Shield

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Emmy winning star of The Shield Michael Chiklis joins the show to talk about his new movie The Senior, based on the inspirational story of Mike Flynt, who made the Sul Ross State University football team at 59 years old. Michael talks about his friendship with Tom Brady and the advice he gave him for The Senior, his love of Boston sports and why he hates Jerry’s Yankees. He also remembers the chip on his shoulder he felt while auditioning for The Shield and how Burt Reynolds saved his young acting career. Chiklis then shares his memories from Super Bowl LI and the Patriots 28-3 comeback against the Falcons. He may or may not have heckled Matt Ryan.  Then Annie Agar joins with the latest around the NFL and the guys try to decide who is the greatest TV anti-hero ever.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations    DoorDash Win weekly with DoorDash Streaks! Order every Saturday, save up to $250 during College Football Season. Terms Apply.  Chapters- 3:31 Michael Chiklis joins - 19:50 Michael and LeBron fell in love with the story of Mike Flynt- 27:44 Wendy’s Fresh Take of the week- 37:33 Michael texts Tom Brady to prepare for The Senior  - 50:50 Seeing Freddie Freeman’s World Series walk off live -53:00 Twisted Tea Trivia with Annie Agar- 1:16:28 Matt asks for best advice to a girl dad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Listen, man, I named my dog Tom Brady. And part of it is to see people's faces when I go, come on, Tom Brady, make a poo-poo. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, Ferrar and Liner. what, if we had a radio show, we could be Ferrar Liner than Ferrara. I think it'd be better to be like Matt and Jerry. No, Matt and Jerry, like Turtle in the quarterback or something.

I think we got to play in the Turtle more. Hollywood and Heisman, right? Or Turtle in the Heisman. That's good. Those are all good names. Good show for you today. Kindly ask that you all follow us on our social channels at Throwbacks show. We're going to be coming at you with a lot of stuff there. And obviously on

YouTube, a subscribe throwback show over there. A lot of you've been watching the show on there. A lot of people watching the pod, not listening. You're going to want to watch the next few that we have coming up because we have some great, great guests. And today, I mean, personal favorite of mine. I'm going to call, I don't like calling people by their character names. He's an actor because like that happens to me all the time. But if you don't know who Vic Mackie is out there, you need to know. But most people know. So I'm talking about Michael Chickles from the Shield. Awesome guy. Awesome career, right? Obviously

know him from the Shield won multiple Emmys. Fantastic Four, not the previous Fantastic Four. And we get into that for a second with him. But also, Matt, he's done like the two things I think I'm most envious of. He played a coach as like a non-athlet, right?

He played Red Arbop in the Lakershell. And then he has a movie coming out now. It's out probably now by the time this interview airs today called the senior, where he plays Mike Flint who was a 59-year-old I guess former D3 football player

who then makes the team at 59 years old. Yes. Incredible story. Also, like a massive Boston sports fan was that the comeback game, right? The Falcons Patriots game. Yeah, apparently he says, which has a great story about that. Great story about that.

And it involves the fake Maddie Ice, Matt Ryan, I think. Yeah, by the way. Chickless was going out. That's a whole different conversation. But yeah, but the senior comes out, plays like a linebacker. It's just,

it's a really incredible movie, incredible story. And Michael Chickless is an absolutely G, dude. Like, one of my, it's literally one of my favorite episodes, just sitting down with him. He was awesome.

He's got an awesome story. And you know what I like when his name came up and he was promoting the movie? He was also like, Chichlis is not one of those guys that you see on 10 million podcasts all the time. So we obviously know a lot about him. But to get the kind of intimate sit down that we got,

he hasn't really done that before. Kind of hype. I think you guys are all going to love it. So, yeah, let's get too. I mean, you almost wanted to ask him because, like, I actually had my first senior moment. Speaking of the senior, bro, I could barely stay awake for that, Canello-Alvarez, right? Sorry, I just fully have to get that out. I could barely, barely stay awake. It was one o'clock in the more.

What are we doing, guys? One o'clock in the morning, you don't care about seniors. But we care about the senior starring Michael Chickles. And here's the Michael Chickles interview right now. And he did not bring his Emmy. Just checking. He did not bring his Emmy to the interview. I equated being cut to like getting killed off a show, right?

Yeah. I was on the show where characters get killed off all the time. Power. I was not in one episode. So I wasn't at that table reading. Came back to the next one. Four main characters who I was good friends with are gone. I'm like, hey, where's J.R. and Lala Anthony?

Oh, they got killed last week. So I just didn't even get to say goodbye and they're gone. You just reminded me of like what is tantamount to a trade. because when I did a sitcom for Disney and Hillary Duff played my daughter in the pilot but Disney wanted her for a show called Lizzie McGuire. Tiny little show called Lizzie McGuire. So we ended up, they ended up like taking her from us

and we replaced her and had to reshoot the pilot based on the fact that they wanted her for this other show. And that show explodes. And that show explodes and my show dies. I was like, what was your show? What was your show? I was daddy-oh. I've short-lived

let's not talk about that I did one season of it are we rolling I think I'll say too I think the really cool thing about Jerry and I is from like an athlete perspective and I love entertainment movies

music I love all the arts my wife was an actress but he's also like the psycho sports fan but in a good way so like yeah so we have a great two different perspectives that we always like I'm so honestly when we start talking

Boston Sports, I'd be like, how are you guys so obsessed with your team? I don't understand. He's like watching playoff games. It's an athlete thing. He doesn't get the fandom as much. I love my Dodgers. I love my West Coast teams. My dad raised me.

Like, I love those. But like, I'm not obsessing. I watch playoff Nix games with them. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, buddy, who are you? Like, it's okay. He's like going to get himself. Well, yeah, no, no, I get it. Yeah, I know you probably get it too.

Well, because, you know, what I've noticed with players is you, you guys, you guys, you travel you it's like us with actors you know I'm not trembling when I'm meeting other actors you know what I mean there's maybe two that would freak me out like you know that I'd be like you know and I've experienced that already so you know for me it was Anthony Hopkins I was gonna ask who the first one like the first like you know when I when I met him I got a chance to work with him for a couple of days on Nixon yeah years ago I just had a and I took it was a cameo really was a small role but i took it because i knew i was going to be in a scene with anthony hopkins i was like yes because just you know and there's some people that you

feel like i don't care what it is i just want to work with that person but really everybody else you know how the sausage is made but i've noticed that with athletes too you see poppy and you know and and a rod hanging out and everything and you know you know we're all like uh no no right you I don't know. What was a, so Jerry just told me the story a couple weeks ago about he did a movie and he ended up getting cut out of it, a lot of it. Sully, Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood was a director and I'm like, and then me, I'm like, that's freaking awesome.

You got to work with Clint Eastwood. You kind of just mentioned Anthony Hopkins, but did you have a welcome to the industry moment where you're like, holy shit, I made it or holy shit, this is like, I can't believe I'm doing this or like, was there a moment? for you when you broke in? There's been a number of moments like that for me, but I had the strangest, I do not even want to talk about this, but I had a very hard indoctrination into this business, and I want to skate right past it.

I'll just mention it. It's just that I, you know, it was very fraught. I, you know, I came up through the theater and had this vision in my head. I was going to come up through the theater and go into film. And it sort of happened that way. came up through the theater, got my first movie, which happened to be Wired, where I played John Belushi in the film Wired, and then I was blacklisted. So it was a very difficult period in my life. It was horrible. The late great Bert Reynolds saved my life and cast me in the middle of

it. And that was one of those moments when I, when Bert Reynolds tricked me into coming down to Florida so that he could hire me. Wow. Which was, he didn't know me. He didn't know me anything. But he had, the way he put it to me was, listen, I grew up through the, I came up through the McCarthy era and I saw people destroyed for no reason and you're an actor and you took a role and how'd you like to play the villain in this movie? And I said, say the fucking word, Bernie, said the fucking word and that was. That's awesome. And the doors opened back up again, certainly in the television side.

So, you know, I mean, I've had a number of moments where I found myself pinching myself and going, this is surreal. I can't believe. this is happening i'm you know what i'm more thrilled about is that i'm still here yeah you know yeah i i'll never forget watching uh jean hackman who was one of my favorites um doing an interview with i think it was michael douglas years ago when i was a kid and he michael douglas said to him well do you think you'll be most remembered for playing and Popeye Doyle. And he sort of bristled and said, well, I hope it's actually more for a body of

work. And I remember literally standing up in the living room and going, that's right, that's it. And I've always sort of thought of that that, you know, yeah, there's certain roles along the way that you want to be recognized for, but you hope that there's enough of them that create sort of a tapestry in a career, you know, that you can look back at and say, you know, it's a, sorry, it's a body of work as opposed to a single character you know yeah because i i remember too like when i first kind of came up and you know i get entourage i'm playing a character named turtle right it's gonna be definitely uh it's gonna pop and you're gonna be called that a lot yeah yeah right and back then too it's still a little bit more like you did tv that's kind of what you did and then you know you cut to

all these years later and all the things i used to be worried about it's like so different now and i think it's better in this way where you don't it is about the body of work yeah and it's changed a lot I mean the industry isn't the same at all right it's changed in all so many barriers have been broken down there was like such a delineation between film actors and television actors and rarely did a television actor break into film you know I I love that so many of the barriers are broken down now but at the same time there aren't as many movie stars as there used to be true because it doesn't carry the same event

well I think that the industry hasn't focused on creating movie stars that used to be a thing this is going to be the next person curate a career right and you had guys like you know when I was coming up I told my parents apparently when I was like five or six years old I announced that I was going to be an actor and of course they went like okay he'll be a fireman next week. Good luck. Good luck. But I never changed my mind. And my father recognized this and was like, well, kid, if you're going to be an actor, then watch this guy and watch that guy, watch this woman. And it turns out my mother and father happened to have a really good taste. And they were showing me Paul Newman and Robert De Niro. You know, phenomenal. We had Friday, I would go out to the movies with my dad. You know, every week.

but it's been so psyched for Friday night. Oh, Friday was the best. End of the school week, Friday night. Yeah, and by the way, I saw a lot of films that were totally inappropriate for me at the time. Like, I think of my, my father took me to see the deer hunter when I was 14. You know what I mean? But he was always

there to drive home with me and talk to me about what we saw. And, like, help me get through it. You know what I mean? And that movie shook me to my core. I was only... Holy See, 14, too. That's all. Yeah, that's tough. But, you know, that was early. And, you know, and also, there was

some like horror movies that I saw I snuck into those I didn't see him with my dad he wasn't a horror movie guy but I I snuck into like the exorcist yeah that terrified my dad all the exorcists no no no I don't love the horror movies I don't either I scared I think I yeah well I loved it when I was a kid when they were like Bella Lagosia right they were campy and they didn't scare you but then when they started to get realish you know they're calling from inside the and burnt offerings oh no and you know so i especially when i had children when i had my kids i that was it for horror movies with me i can i can be in them but i can't sit there and watch him because i you know i don't need the hebi-jeebies any more than i have what's the point

no my thing is with young kids now i you graduate into that role as a parent like you realize as a dad oh I'm the scary noise guy like if they hear the noise outside I have to without missing a beat I'll go check it out and I'm the usually that's the guy who dies in the horror movie first so that's why I don't like it either because if there's that scary noise I have to act

like it's all good but deep down I'm still like you know it's a horror movie to me that fucking hat you're wearing because you had to you just knew I was coming on and you let to go did you do that on purpose can I just explain that I don't have hate in my heart for any person place or thing

I can tell. However. I don't. I hate the fucking Yankees. Dude, it's because they made me cry a lot when I was seven. So this is two of the reasons we were so excited to talk to you. One, we talked about off air. You don't do a lot of podcasts, which to me, the best podcast guest is the guy or girl

does not do a lot of podcasts because we get a fresh new story and insight. And second, one way I feel like we're both similar and it bleeds into the work. And we're going to talk about your movie The Senior and some of your other work, but you love sports. And to me, that's the fun part about acting is we might not ever get to professionally get coaching jobs playing, but we could pretend for a little while. And it's fantastic. Listen, man, I named my dog Tom Brady.

Had dog's name is Tom Brady. No, I don't call him Tom and I don't call him Brady. I call him Tom Brady. So when I'm walking, and part of it is to see people's faces when I go, make good boy Tom Brady. Brady. And you're dead serious. Tom. Come on, Tom Brady.

Make a poo poo. So people go like, get the fuck out of it. Your Boston teams down the line, correct? Because you grew up. Where'd you grow up exactly? Well, I was born in Lowell, raised in Andover. We moved. That's Mickey Ward territory, Lowell, Massachusetts.

Yeah. And, yeah. A whole other set of stories. But yeah. Then I moved to Andover. Andover, which was very nice. But I was a townie. I went to Andover high, not to Phillips.

So you're Red Sox, Pats. And, you know, and I played football, hockey, and baseball. Those were my three sports. I was the captain of my football team in high school. You know, I had a number of, I could have played Division II. I started both ways in high school. I was a fullback and a weak side linebacker. Just crack and full backs, yeah.

I was a short yardage and a blocking back, you know what I mean? Look at me, you know. It's like a new house kind of a guy, you know. Quick off the mark, no speed in the open field, because I have umpulumpal legs. Yeah, but you're good for two yards. That's right. And to lead block in the hole. Yeah, that's right.

And I'll smash you in the head. By the way, I want to ask us. I got to ask this now. Go for it. So there's this thing going around where could a normal person get one yard in an NFL game? I say yes. Normal like, you know, Adam over here, right? Normal person. Could Jerry, I mean, I'm five, six, one, 60.

We're going to talk about the senior because in the senior you look fantastic playing, you know, whatever you're playing. Linebacker, yeah. Could you in an NFL game line up at fullback with the line get a yard? One yard. We need one yard out of you, Mikey. Me now? Just right now. Sure.

It depends on who's in front of me. We'll give you an average offensive line. You have an average and an infall offensive line. I'd give myself a solid 50-50 shot. I like it. Sure. Jerry thinks he could. Yeah, if I could find the seam or if I, you know, if I was off the mark,

hot, but if one of those guys runs into me dead on, no, no. By the way, because you know this as a player, you know this. I don't give a shit if you were a man, woman, as long as you played competitive sports, there are times that you, right now, Matt, you wake up and go, fuck. And you remember moments, right? And you wish you had him back, right? And or the triumphant moments, we'd be like, motherfucker, right? Yeah.

That's all of us. I don't give a shit if you played big time USC, Heisman, or you just played for a little Andover High and had your moments. We all have that. If you're a competitive person, you have your moments. One of them for me is my junior year and my senior year, we were one game away from going to the state finals. And our rival, Chelmsford, beat us both years.

And one of them, my junior year, I had, we had, I was a short yardage back. We were on the one yard line, 14 nothing us, seconds left in the clock before we go to the half time. I get the call. I never dove, ever. I always put my head down. Just run through it. But there was a gap. And it was, you know, it's a moment in time, right?

and I just went, I dove for the opening. And this kid, I believe I remember his name. I remember his name. I love that. Colomanzakis, he was a huge Greek kid. He ended up playing for like Notre Dame or something. My arm went up like this. I was trying to just push the ball over the goal line.

And he hit me his helmet under my armpit. And he was twice my size. And by the way, I'm 5'9. I was 199 pounds. senior in high school. I was always a big boy. You know, like they called me the fire hydrant because I was deceiving. You know what I mean? I looked smaller than the other guys, but you would run into me and I wouldn't move, right? So Pallemanzakis hit me in the, underneath my armpit, flip me upside down and drove my head into the ground. My shoulder touched the top

in my head. So completely dislocated my shoulder. I got taken off in the field. We went to halftime. I did not score. I did not score. And that's the one for me. And I find out after that we lost 2114. Isn't it, isn't it? That hurt. I don't like hearing that now. So I get asked. I know, I know, because I get asked the USC Texas game, right?

We're going for three championships in a row. No, no, I'm just saying like there's always, there's I all, I remember the plays that keep me up. But I remember the one play that I screwed up on or whatever. Like in that game, Reggie pitches the ball, never did that in his life. But in the moment, he just saw him. He's like, oh, shit, trying to make a play. Sure.

I remember there's a play. There's, I always say this. There's always like two or three hidden plays in a game that can decide, right? So there was a play. No one even talks about in the first half. It was a quarterback sneak, fourth down in a long one. And again, Bush push is going through my mind. I'm like, oh, we'll get this.

We'll survive and we'll call timeouts. Maybe we'll score. Yeah, it was four down. I didn't get it. And we left. Yeah, I don't remember that play. No one remembers a play. I didn't get it.

We left three points on the board. We lost by three. So we could, yeah, so that play, I'm like, oh, I'm like, that's right, right, that's what exactly, and that's what the senior really gets into, which is amazing, yeah. And I fell in love with this story. And by the way, you know, book of the same title, the senior with the forward by LeBron, LeBron, this caught his imagination as the oldest player in the league too. You know, this guy saw what an incredible story. and he felt compelled to write the forward to his book. You know, again, any of us who have played organized sports,

male, female, it does, listen, I love sports. I could watch guys pitch quarters against the sidewalk. If it's competitive, I'll go watch eight-year-old basketball. I don't care. I don't care. I watch it all. A game is a game. You know, I just love it.

So we all have those things, those moments that we want to redeem. And this is a redemption tale. Yeah. And I just fell in love with the story. and then I met Mike. Yeah. When I met Mike, I shook his hand. He was 74 when I met him, right?

This, this, when he was 59 and did this. That sounds like a firm handshake too probably, right? I just was like, oh, shit. You know, I went, oh, yeah, he's a strength trainer. Yeah. So he has that inner strength. And I just, and I said, Mike, I got to ask you, you know, because he's a Texan, good old boy, you know, he's got that drawl.

I said, Mike, are he fucking crazy? I said to him, are you crazy? I didn't swear because he's a Christian boy and he's very, you know, I said, are you crazy? He says, well, let me tell you something, Michael. My body deceived me. And they're thinking that I could do this. And, you know, because, you know, being a strength trainer and everything, but there's just, you try to explain it to people, there's a big difference between being field ready and being fit.

Yeah. Like, you know, when you're young, you hit the ground and you bounce. You know what I mean? You have pliability. and that's something that Tom Brady preaches. It's flexibility, pliability. Because now man, that first time I put on the

uniform, first of all, it was first time in 40 years. I was so fired. I was about to say you had it been just something. I was fired up. Calamacus, what's his name? Calamazacus. Put it in front of me now. I can't believe I remember his name. I hope I got it right. In any case, I go out onto the field and then I meet Willie Bell. Oh, yeah.

six three two thirty out of Ole Miss he goes I'm the one you're going to be hitting man I'm like that's awesome okay and I like doubted my intelligence and I was like what am I doing like I thought oh shit I'm in I'm in trouble now thankfully I did have a stunt guy and he did a few he did the shots where I got taken out I did 90% of my football I feel like this is a movie where to especially you having a football background loving sports where not that you get carried away

but I know if I was cast in any sports movie at all I'm going to want to do as much as possible that won't kill me. Right. I did 90% of it. There were three shots in particular where I get the two of them blindsided and one just completely taken out and thank God I didn't do

those shots because Willie just destroyed my guy. And I'm sure it wasn't your last day. You have other scenes. No, I had to work. We were doing this 12 hours a day. We're on the feet. my eyebrows hurt man it was you get full like both you guys when you're doing stunts and all that especially in well football you can pretty much tell them like hey i want to do all of this or did they say

hey no michael like oh no they'll fight with you like like on the shield i did it's funny i did all but two shots and then seven years of the field i did a hundred percent of my stunts and the one time my stunt guy it's like season six all of a sudden he turns to me he goes you're not doing this one. And I go, get the fuck out. How dangerous is this? He goes, he goes, you're not doing it. And he never, like he got real with me. He was like, you're not doing it. I had to hop onto a skylight, break through it, fall onto a false floor. In other words, it's an old gag where they, a room this size, they replace, what they do is they put down about, depending on your weight, Dixie cups. Right. And then they put a

plank over it so that when you land on it, the floor collapses, but it absorbs the shock, right? And I had to land on a guy's shoulders and take him out, right? So I was on the roof. I was ready to shoot. And he came up to me. He said, you're not doing it. Step down. And we had words for a moment. And he said, fuck off the roof. I was like, holy shit. When stunk guys say that, Yeah, that's when I got real. I was like, huh. So when it turns out, because I was a little bigger than him, a little heavier than him, they didn't take out some of the cups, which were set for my weight.

Your weight. Oh, shit. So it was too stiff. So when he, when he, no, his hips were dislocated. Oh. Because it was 13 feet. It was like this, that height. so you fall and you don't have any squish.

It's just, you're falling at that point. It's just, it's not a stunt. It's not a stunt. It really happened. You know, he's coming out on the thing. He's like, I told you. I'm like, oh, dude. That was Randy Hall, man.

My guy, he was my stunt guy for many things, not just the shield. What an animal. We never got to do stunts, obviously, on a show like Entourage, but when we did the movie, my love interest was Rhonda Rousey, right? So I get in the octagon with her. And this is at the height of her power. That's right. And so we're rehearsing our little fight scene

and she's like judo flipping someone over her back like we're working it through and then I'm like, I can do this like it was saved from great stunt guys but Rhonda came up to him on a side like Jerry you know I have broken men's ribs who were far bigger than you with this move just let's be careful

and then I look over and I saw my stunt guy drinking an ice coffee chilling like that I'm like you know what dude earn your keep come listen man I love you I don't want anyone to get hurt but I just, and sure enough, like she was flipping this dude. And this dude the next day was like, dude, my ribs are so sore.

Yeah, right. So, uh, yeah, I don't. No, I had to. There were three shots in particular where I got my, and they did one of them right in front of me. And I thought, thank God I didn't do that. Because Willie just fucking destroyed him. And he took the hit.

The kid was, you know, he's 24 years old. He popped right up. Yeah. And Southern boy, he was, I go, you know, you had that, you know, yes, sir, no, sir. you know he stands up i go you good he goes yes sir i'm like he had played for uh crin the crimson you know so he was a monster the kid who was my guy um jordan tyler more with amex platinum four hundred dollars in annual credits for travel and dining means you not only satisfy your travel bug but your taste buds too that's the powerful bad

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In honor of Michael Chicklese being on the show, who played one of the great anti-heroes of all time on the shield, Vic Mackey. Matt, we're going to do our favorite TV anti-heroes. We're going to name three, but the number one will be our Wendy's fresh take. I had to look this up, right? Because I kind of know what an anti-hero is, but I was like villain, anti-hero.

But you're roof for them. They have some good in them, but they're kind of like, they make poor decisions sometimes. Imperfect people. So I'll give, so this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to give two. Okay. I'll give two off the get and I'll save my last one,

but I'm going to give two that, honestly, this guy is probably more of a villain, but Logan Roy from Succession. Oh, I mean, just an absolute beast, just like ruthless. But, you know, I mean, if you watch the show, which, by the way, is one of my favorite shows, there's not a ton of good in him. He split his kids against each other. Yeah, he did build an absolute empire. So, you know, he did do some well.

So do some good. So that was one. And then I'm going with Frank Underwood. Oh, wow. You're going House of Cards on me. House of Cards. again ruthless did anything he could to get to the top to become president

but just I thought Kevin Spacey in that show was also launched Netflix let's not forget House of Cards pretty much launched Netflix as original content I was pretty religious about watching House of Cards when that came out every season I thought that was a fantastic show so I don't know if you were necessarily rooting for him but he did have you know he did have some some redeeming quality yes yes

All right, so do you want to give out your fresh take now, or should I go with my two before my fresh thing? Okay, so I'm going to disclaimer, James Candlefini as Tony Soprano is like the number one. It's not a fresh take. It's an easy take. So we're going to put James Gandalfini to the side. I have to give that disclaimer. All right, my two before. I'm going Brody from Homeland.

Don't know if you watched Homeland. I mean, everyone loved him in season one. And then he takes that wild, wild turn. So Brody in Homeland, okay, my number two, do you hear that? Omar's coming. Michael K. Williams as Omar in The Wire is just, I mean, I don't even know if you can call him an anti-hero. He's kind of just, he's a bad guy, but man, I just, that was just my favorite character. And now we're going to get to our Wendy's Fresh takes are all time.

Okay, Matt, I'm going to turn to you. She was phenomenal. Okay. She played in the show. Ozark, which is one of my favorite shows. Whoa. Yeah. Her name in the show is Ruth Langmore.

That is a great. She is a beast. Julie Garner plays Ruth Langmore in Ozark. What a pick. Yeah, I know. That is a fresh take. She doesn't get enough love for that on his list. I had to look this up and I'm thinking like, oh my God, she's perfect for this.

Because she's good, like, she comes from a bad background. and she's this and that. She means well. She's, she's edgy. She's ruthless. She's, she's one of my favorites. I think she won a ton of awards for that.

She did. Shout out to, shout out to Julia Garner, plays Ruth Langmore. That is a brush. I knew I'd get that one. Brush take. Okay.

I'm going to give you mine. Okay. We love Breaking Bad, right? We love it. Yeah. Now, you probably think I'm going to pick Walter White. I'm not.

How do we not get any love for Jesse Pinkman when we talk about these anti-heroes, okay? Did he not have some of the most gut-wrenching performance stuff, battling all sorts of issues? Jesse Pickman, the only one who survives. It's the only real one who survives. We talk a lot about Walter White, deservingly so.

Unbelievable character. My fresh take, Jesse Pinkman. That's good. I think we got two winners right there. I like that. Let's get back to another anti-hero, Vic Mackey. a.k.a. Michael Chickles. Did you get a feel for how big,

I mean, you know this, as Boston. I don't know how big, like, high school football is in Boston or in, like, New York, but, like, what the film takes place in West Texas, right? Yeah. How big, like, West Texas high school football? Yes, because we shot in Fort Worth. Did you get a chance to see, like, some of the high school stadium?

We shot primarily in high school stadiums. We go into this one high school stadium. It's crazy. It's a 30,000 seat. I'm like, this is a high school? I think the high school Kyler Murray just went to. They just did like a $30 million renovation. And the guy's like, this is Texas, son.

Yeah. You know, we love our football. It's like a religion. Yeah. I was like, yeah, it is. Man, this is like a huge. Yeah, it really is. I mean, they're into it.

It's definitely a way of like Texas, high school Texas football, especially like West Texas where there's not a lot out there. It is a way of life. It is a way of life. That's right. And that's the thing that you realize just just in the run up. Yeah. To make in this movie, you realize how incredibly important it is to the people who live there.

Where does, like, just getting to know you in the sports, like, where does this role? Because you've played some iconic roles. You know, you've done superheroes, you've done, you know, obviously the Shield and all this. Where does this role kind of rank as far as... You know, it's high up there. Yeah. I have to say... In the body of work.

Yeah. And I'm thrilled at this stage of my life to have a role that I feel as a diamond. It just came to me out of the blues. too was one of these straight off or you know. That's not I'm going to ask you if this is the story you went after or they just like this is the best guy for this part. And by the way Mark Giardi the producer

who I mentioned earlier who did you know miracle that's a great story. That's on our list. Yeah right. That's on our list. Miracle secretariat. This is what he does. He does sports because he was an MLB pitcher. So he understands he knows how to do it. Everything we're

talking about. He understands that sports mentality that And the sports that movies that move you, Rudy, you know, this is very much like a Rudy, you know, this movie. And so out of nowhere, Rod, apparently, you know, he, Marchiardi had bought this, this rights to this in 2004 when it happened. Oh, wow. He saw it on ESPN, the story. Yeah, it was a big national story. And he went right down to Texas to meet Mike.

He was like, this is the kind he made a deal with him. And he bought the right to the book, and he's been trying ever since. I mean, you know, 21 years to fruition. So this is a love project for him, something he's wanted to do for a long time. And several other major actors, apparently, were cast. And then it just didn't come together. It's crazy on some movies like that, they just don't come together. I mean, how many times you hear, like, go, Forrest Gump took seven years to make all these different major motion pictures?

And they're awesome movies that, like, this seems like such a no-brainer how to just take. so long. Well, it's this business. It's so fraught. I mean, it's crazy. So they came to you, like, you're the guy. You're Mike Flint. Yeah, but you've been offered the role of Mike Flint and the movie The Senior. What a great email or call to get. Right? And I read it and I'm like,

Michelle, you know, my wife. I'm like, holy shit. We got one. I go, yeah. I'm on. You know, like, you know, when you're, it's freaking awesome. Yeah. So when you get, when you get that, I'm just I think this is fascinating stuff when I hear these stories in your guys as industry. It's like, no, your football

background you fucking love sports you're competitive you get this story which is redemption and and again we saw we saw we saw it before we're not spoiling too much that's why we're not giving away and i'm 59 when it came to me the same age 509 right it's fair and like it's got to make you feel like like you're just drawn to something like always ask jerry like whether whatever it's like power entourage like sometimes it just it's like a calling it's drawn to you so when you read that you're just like this is me this is it's me i have to do this yeah there's no there's no there's No second-guessing. There's no, I'm not sure.

Well, whenever you know, whenever you get something sent to you, and it's whether you chase it or it's handed to you or whatever. And usually you understand, I look at me. You know, I'm not Brad Pitt. No, no, no, but I, you know, I'm not your normal, like your average, you know what I mean? You're sort of classically anything, right? So I've had to fight for every inch is what I'm trying to say.

Things don't usually just get handed to me. I had to fight for the shield. I've had to fight for everything. I love your shield story, by the way. I don't know if they tell it accurately in this book, Difficult Men. I don't know if you heard much about that. It's more about the showrunners.

Yeah. But they tell the story about, like, you came in and scared the shit at it. I don't want to get too sidetracked from Mike. Yeah, I came in as Vic Mackey. Well, I was pissed. A handsome kid left the room right before me. So that's just fine.

I went, I went, motherfuckers aren't going to give me this role. You know what? If anything, I'm just going to, I'm going to fuck these guys. I got pissed. I'm just going to put the fear of guys. God in them right now. And I walked in and I was already like... You're all tense.

You're ready to go. And they were just like, I know that I must have, in retrospect, I must have... They say it in the book. They're like, he... They say it in the book. Michael walked in the room. We didn't even recognize it. They knew who you were.

I was really upset. I was like, I know. They think I'm the roly-poly affable commission. They scared the shit out of you. They don't know me. They don't know me. You know, that's got to be like... Well, you know, when you have a chip, man.

Yeah. Look at Tom Brady. Listen, I texted Tom When I was making this movie I said, you're no longer the oldest guy in the field Help, my eyebrows hurt And all he wrote me back was Football's hard, good luck

I would really That's reassuring Oh, that's it? Like, I don't know, cold plunges Well, like give me a fucking bone yet Cut out strawberries What do I cut out? Nothing.

Nothing. Football's hard, good luck. So you get the call We want you to be Mike Flint But, you know, whenever you're looking for something, whether you fight for it or it comes to you, you know, the first thing is the story, the story of the story. You know, what is it on the page, right? And that met every criteria. It was a phenomenal script and a great story.

Then who's making it? Who's involved? Always. And you've got an Academy Award nominated director in Rod Lurie, who's phenomenal, you know, Last Castle, just an incredible body of work. speaking of body at work and um and uh mark chearty who is the guy for yeah you know sports films i was like holy crap michelle it's a dream job like my god and we're going to shoot this in you know football heaven in fort worth this is looking good you know and then mary stewart masterson gets cast as my wife and i've always been a huge fan of hers and you know what it's you know and you know this too

sometimes you meet people that you love and admire their work and then you get disappointed yeah don't meet your heroes yeah exactly right well in this case it couldn't have been more the opposite just now it's better uh you know not only is she a magnificent talent but she's like among the best people i've ever worked with really lovely substantive real grounded everything about her, phenomenal. And the boys, that's the other thing. I ended up being like a playing coach with these boys. They all played football.

They all, you know, and that, you can see that too in the performances. You can see their athletes. You know, they played, and they played Division 1 and Division 2 football, these kids. You know, that's the other thing is that there's a whole wave of professional athletes moving into the film and television business. And they're, what I love about them is their work ethic is they want to get it right. They don't want to be an athlete that, you know, is trying this thing. If they're going to do it, they want to hear about the craft.

They want to know about the work. You know, at least these kids did. And they were really coming to me and asking. And I loved them. You would know this. And Jerry didn't play, you didn't play team. You played a little bit of baseball. ball growing up. I played basketball.

I'm so calm. I'm saying, but it comes off in the movie, but the, there's, I quit football after day one. I was like, no way. You could have got, no way. Football especially, as you know, the locker room. You don't play football. The locker room and the camaraderie is the greatest

fucking part about the sport. It's the greatest thing. And that is something that's so cool when you watch the movie. And obviously, you're playing a 59-year-old, you know, guy who, you know, obviously has that year left of eligibility and comes back, and you can see it come across and it's so it's cool and then and then knowing you now it's like you get to relive a little bit of your high school days and kind of like you miss that because it's like

sports I ask them all the time it's like being on set I've been on sets before it is different like you go to your trailer and you try to build camaraderie probably with your but you're kind of clocking in clocking out whatever always happen no but it but it depends on the gig exactly there are gigs that I've been on where it's just very cold and impersonal the shield was not like that at all. We were a team. It was familial. We never were in our trailers. We were like, always together. I got that vibe from

Entourage. The best times were in between teams. And that comes across on. Well, it's always the biggest hit, too, because you can, it comes off. You know, I'm sorry, I'm going to break your balls about your Yankees. Come on, let's, I did this for a fucking championship team. Now, not to say,

by the way, the Dodgers can. No, not. Some of the worst fucking trades in Boston history. God, Muky Betts, God. Oh, my God. Anyway, it's not that we don't spend a lot of money in Boston, too. We do. But the thing that makes the difference, and it always has, is the chemistry of a team.

When you look at the 04 Red Sox team, the knuckleheads, the idiots, you know, there was just you could see they had that chemistry, that alchemy with each other. And that's the difference that, you know, the Yanks of late are a bunch of men. mercenaries man they're just they're every one of those guys three deep would be number one on the call sheet on any other team right they they they'd be yeah starters anywhere else and they're getting splinters in their ass on the bench a bunch of these guys and you can be deep like that and if the chemistry isn't there in the in the dugout you're you're in deep shit same thing in the locker room that's the difference between a team that performs or does okay and a championship team

And you can see it over and over again in every single competitive sport. And I love making films and television because it's a team sport. It's 140, 150 people coming together and making something together. And it's sort of tantamount to asking 50 chefs to go into a kitchen and cook one chicken. Like, it can go horribly wrong. Yeah, it can go horribly wrong. Well, that's what I mean. It's the old adage, a lot of cooks, too many cooks, spoiled the broth, right?

Well, it shows you have to have this, this equal portion of restraint. Oh, it's not my time to put the salt in. It'll be oversalted. It's, or it's my time to shine. It's my time to perform. And I just love when you're on a team that's working and everybody gets each other and it's electric. Same thing with a band. Like, I've been in bands my whole life.

You know, I've been a musician my whole life. that's it's the camaraderie of it it's the collaboration of it and when it works it's sublime there's nothing like it when it doesn't it's soul crushing it sucks and you it sucks when you go on a set and everyone's sort of cold and analytical and it's a job and it's a gig and you know i listen i'm an older guy i you know i go okay all right paycheck i'm still going to throw myself between action and cut i'm going to fucking throw down because no flies on me i don't give a shit you know i'm going to do my best work no matter what right you know even when I know this is this one's going to suck you know because you see the incompetence

in the room and you go like oh no but then you go hey man I'm right here doesn't mean I'm going to try to lift it doesn't mean you have to suck it yeah I'm going to try to lift it yeah I'm jean hackman has he ever sucked in anything no never I'm sorry all my favorites even the and we all make stinkers we've all because there's so much that goes into it that's the thing you know people think like why did you do that you're like hey man The best laid plans, you know what I mean? And by the way, they all think that there's a guy in short shorts with a baton in one hand and a script and the other is run into your house.

You know, with your next gig, it's not that way. Everyone's fighting for that next gig. Everyone's looking for their opportunity. And when you finally do get an opportunity, there's so many things to weigh. You know, finally, if you get in a financial position where you're able to just make choices, good for you. But I don't know about you guys. I put not one, but two children.

children through Stephen S. Weiss, USC, and Harvard Westlake, and fight the fuck on. That's an expensive place. I was going to say that. I thought, you know, Twitter just went up like this year. I, dude, you know, I spent at least a million dollars per kid to educate them. Yeah. And, you know, but I wouldn't do anything else. I wouldn't change.

No, but you're in a business that does not guarantee you could have one tremendous year, two tremendous years, and then that third year could be like, oh, I just didn't have the, like it could change, the swings are so big sometimes. And it's so life-changing. Yeah. When you get a show, when you hear the words pickup, well now it's, you know,

that's actually the pendulum swinging back. Forever it was, you got a pilot and then you had to wait until it got picked up or not and it got picked up for your, you know, back in the network days. You got that front 13 pickup. And that's a light. Life-altering, those two words, pick-up, on a pickup, and then the back nine, you get, you, for the, it was so fraught all the time.

Now, for the longest time, it's been streaming, you know, oh, you've got a full season pickup. Right. Ten shows, right? Which is still a life-altering thing. When someone says you're picked up, you are gainfully employed and in a way that is, you know, going to pay your bills for a while. I kept my waitering job when we shot the entourage pilot and then HBO at the Times 2000. They took months before announcing their six, seven months to they announced their pickup. I kept my job.

So I'm working at the restaurant still and I have this pilot on HBO that I just shot. If it gets picked up, my life completely changes. But I just, I'm like, it's probably not going to get picked up because most of them don't. I'm going to keep this waiter and job. I love that we're talking about this because there's something that we've done very poorly in this industry is we have communicated everyone's so afraid and everyone's so worried about their own perception that they're afraid to speak candidly about this they don't want to be perceived as anything less than a star and that's created this perception in the middle of the country that were Hollywood elites but

there's no such fucking thing there's maybe 10 people that are Hollywood elites the rest of the rest of us are kids from Lowell Massachusetts and from what bird are you from brook ben's nurse Brooklyn. You're not a Hollywood elite. You're a kid from fucking Brooklyn. With no connection. Who lives in Ohio. And with dreams and shit, right? Yeah. You know, and, you know, I'm going to digress into it to go to the whole Hollywood versus, you know, or L.A. versus a New York thing. One thing I find really hilarious, because I'm an East Coast boy, right, from Boston, born raised, educated, lived in New York for years. Love New York. Again, I only fucking hate the end.

I don't even hate the Mets. That's another thing. But I don't. I hate the Giants a little, too, right? Fucking hate the Giants. We would be fun watching games together because we have some real. And I'm going to go talk to the Manning. You got to talk to the Mannings?

You're going to talk to the Mannings? Oh, God, help me. What was I talking about? No, the difference between New York and L.A is like New York has like a, you know, a rivalry with L.A. And L.A., man, you guys don't give you shit. Everybody, come on, it's cool. We're just like, everything's cool. When I went to move here, that's how we are.

Listen to this. When I went to move here, I'll never forget, man. I was living in New York. All my New York buddies are like, chick, you don't do it. You know, it's fucking 10 miles. It's 10 miles wide and an inch deep. They're all vapid, fucking. Fake, they're fake and bullshit.

No, don't do it. It's a culturalist void. Don't do it. And I, you know. It's a fucking beautiful place to live. When you first come out here, you focus on the things they told you, warned you about, the traffic at the time, the smog. No good pizza at the time.

Now, LA pizza is awesome. Right now, it's great. At the time, it was shit by comparison. But you focus on those things. So for a year, you're like, well, maybe it. And then January 10th comes. Beautiful. And it's 72.

And at Lesbriza, stony. And you're like, fuck you guys. touch liner that's why i tell everybody hey come out here 12 come out here for full year and you'll say okay yeah you've adopted you've adopted i'm in love with la you've adopted well u sc you've adopted yeah my dodgers you were at the freddie freeman walkoff game one world series and i'm a diehard featured you were featured in the right behind you were talking like this with my daughter odessa my youngest yeah you are heavily heavily featured in that walkoff right behind home plate was great seats it was amazing and my i brought my odessa because you know i hadn't taken her to enough uh dodger games and

it was just a daddy and me game and you know i'm a big believer in doing things with the whole family but i also individually you know you got to get your time with each one that's right and i took odessa to this game and it was just it couldn't have been like it couldn't have been better soup to nuts we you know it was a tight tense game i got goosebumps it got it got It gets down to, it gets down to, you know, bass is loaded. You hate the Yankees. This is wonderful. I'm like, come on, motherfucker.

Oh, it was. And then he just, by the way, you got to love it when, off the bat, like from the moment of, you know, like, different sounds. Yeah, it's just, oh, it's out. Like that instantaneous. The hug with the dad. Yeah. So, real quick.

So, insane. We have, we have Bryce Harper on our show on Big Noon for an Ohio State game because he's Ohio State, whatever. This was like, I think a couple weeks after so, and he was cool as shit. I asked him, I said, dude, what did you think of Freddie Freeman, Dodger, I'm just like talking baseball. And he goes, dude, Matt, he goes, that pitcher was the lefty relief pitcher. His scouting report is first pitch fastballs down the fucking pipe.

He's like an 89-90m hour, but that was his thing. So he's like, first pitch strike. First pitch strike fastball down, like he'll paint it, but like down the, and so Bryce is like, that is our scouting report. He's like, so you fucking look and swing. swing first pitch. And that made sense. First pitch he fucking kissed it. And he just launched it. I mean, literally, it was

out off the bat. You just we just jumped to our feet immediately. We're like, it's out. I was in Ohio. Actually, it was the same week. I was in Ohio and I was watching it and I'm fucking, let's fucking go. I was crying. Being with your daughter has got to make that moment

incredible. All right, joining us as she does every week. Annie Agar, courtesy of Twisted Tea. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Annie, we know life is good for you still with your Packers. How are you feeling this week? Feeling great.

I'm feeling probably a little bit better than you're feeling, but it was still a good game. Listen, I'm on Giants text. Just throw a blows already, Jerry. I'm on Giants text threads. They're like, hey, guys, we're like scoring points. We're just happy to be scoring points. 450 yards for Russ, man.

That's more than Daniel Jones had like eight games. He didn't play Seattle Seahawks for us. And Daniel Jones is ball in, too. So it's like, it's a win-win for everybody. It's not a win-win for me, Matt. Mine is your Giants who don't have a win in the win-call. It's a win-win for everybody, except for the Giants. Now, before we get twisted trivia, we're going to hit a few things.

We were talking right before we started recording. Annie, I think you asked Matt, or someone asked Matt if you ever had Turf Toe. Matt, do you know anything about Turf Toe as our fellow quarterback at Joe Burrow has? Well, first of all, I've never had turf toe. I've heard it is miserable. painful. And do you guys know exactly what turf toe is? Or do you just... No, no. Because it sounds stupid. It sounds so like you scuffed your toe on the turf. They need to rename it. Some sort of medical name. Freak is a sprain or ligament injury to the main joint of the big toe caused by forceful hyper

extension. It's common in athletes. Playing on artificial turf, which is a big deal. We need actually natural grass. Symptoms, pain, swelling, bruising, It is absolutely miserable. I would equate it to like, like, you know, like a basketball like a calf, right? Like you need your calf to move lateral. Like you'd be surprised how much you need your big toe when you're planting and you're playing. Yeah, because it's really painful, right? Yeah, you just can't put any, we need a name for it that's better than turf toe. And you know, sometimes there's like breaks that they name after the guy who did the break. What if we call it burrow toe? He's got, oh, he's got burrow toe.

Like, that's the new name for the next 10 years. He's got burrow. Liner's out, he's got burrow toe. We could use Joe Bro's name for a plethora of injuries, but, you know. I feel bad for Joe, man. That sucks. Wait, Matt, one injury I think you do know about, you broke your collarbone, right? Oh, why'd you bring that up?

And unfortunately for, for Annie, Jade and Reed off to a great star broke and collarbone. But you got a million wide receivers too. Right. Next man up, you know. Gives more targets to Matthew Golden. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but collarbones. Because he landed kind of like on the ball.

And he rolled over and I thought, oh, that's either a shoulder and arm or I don't know. It didn't look good. But yeah, I think you just had successful surgery. So that's good. But he's out for six to eight weeks. He's back. Oh, good. Okay.

I had surgery on my collarbone. I was to the 49ers. I saw that. We're going to get the twisted trivia in a second. I got one more thing for both you guys can weigh in. We're going to do what storyline are you just not buying yet? Okay, it's either Daniel, I'm going to give you two choices. Okay.

Daniel Jones is now an really great quarterback and the cults are real. Or the winner of Chargers Broncos this week is now the best team in the AFC West. Which one are you not buying? Oh, that's a really good one. I think I did good with that. I'm proud of that way. That's a great one. I might not buy into the Daniel Jones hype quite yet.

Okay. I mean, the Broncos game was just so lucky like it. I mean, he still played really well, but that was just crazy. That and I mean, the dolphins are and it's Miami, yeah. So, yeah, I'd say he'll falter. Like, yeah. Well, all right, you're not buying Daniel Jones. By the way, he's got the Titans. It's another win. And then he got the Rams. Their schedule was pretty easy.

Yeah, because they were horrible last year. Yeah. Great age. again by Daniel Jones's agent. You know where you're going to go? You're going to go to the cults because you're going to win that open quarterback competition easily

and you're going to have a starting job for one more year and you have a good coach over there. I differ from the two of you. I don't know if I yet believe that the Chargers or the Broncos are the best team in the West. I know we're all writing off the Chiefs.

They're going to beat the Giants most likely like 98% and it might be like their get right game too and they all go off. And by like week 10 they're going to get guys back, Rice will be back Worthy would be better

like they'll be healthier better I just don't I'm still not buying the Broncos Chargers of the best team in the West thing just my take The poor Raiders

We don't even care about them Well we did after week one We'd Tom up in the booth And Geno started Ginoing And just like Brutal I tweeted that I was up until 1 a.m.

I was up until 1 a.m. watching that stupid dumb game Gino threw three pegs said oh it was terrible terrible You had a great video that just dropped though this week

so those of you go check out what Ames up to on social great content. Now for some more good content, let's do some twisted tea. Twisted trivia. You guys are one and one, right? Did we? Are we keeping scoring? Well, one and one or we said we're overall. Overall. I think we're three to three and three. All right gentlemen, let's get into it. Are you ready? Five questions. I like that all these questions relate to things that are kind of happening currently. So starting with number one. That's a hint. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Starting with number one. Who was the last number one overall pick to win the Super Bowl?

This is, this seemed like a very tough one because I forgot about who this was. And I should know because hint, hint, he went to a college in my home state. Last number one pick to win the Super Bowl. Let me know if you need a hint. I need a hint, Matt. Do you need a hint? The Super Bowl was a win over the 49ers That's number one

The Super Bowl was a win over the 49ers It's not a position player, I'll tell you that No quarterback, no running back Which is weird Oh Oh, see, we're so beat up to think about quarterbacks Only thinking about a quarterback Yep

That was literally my first thought I tell you to college Yeah Central Michigan In Number one overall pick Yeah From Central Michigan

I know This is old This is real old then It might need another hand I didn't remember this at all I didn't remember this at all There's no way a central Michigan player was picked number one overall

I know who beat 2013 Who beat the Niners number one overall wasn't the Ravens the Ravens no it was the Chiefs drafted by the Chiefs

oh he's drafted in 2013 oh he's got to be a lineman this is brutal guys don't I tell you I'll give me an age Eric Fisher offensive technical that was twisted I shocked me

that shocked me he's the number one overall pick in 2013 yeah isn't that crazy I thought he went to Texas A&M. I think he transferred on... I mean, I just Central popped up because... Tough start to twist the trivia.

Well, that was a really hard question. Okay, we'll bounce back. This is a more recent one. Who was the last quarterback to win offensive player of the year? Last quarterback to win offensive player of the year, which means it was like a running back who probably... Or wide receiver who won MVP because they... The last quarterback?

Because usually you don't win MVP. It was a quarterback. Who's the last quarterback to win offensive player of the year? No, that's a good guess. Right up there though.

Josh Allen. Nope. Joe Burrow? Nope. This is actually hilarious. It plays into our, it plays into our talk really well. Because we just said that

they're becoming non-existent or their run of reign of terror is over. Patrick Mahomes. Pat Mahomes in 2018. He wasn't even on your top three answers, and I actually love that for us. Love that. Yeah, I just always think that like quarterback wins MVP

and they usually give it to like a wide receiver or running back, you know? That's what my brain. All right. 2018. Okay, Brandon Aubrey's 64-yard field goal was the fifth ever 60-yard kick against the Giants. Only one team has had more against them.

What team is it? Really? I thought the Giants were. by far number one. Think of a team that just gets crushed. The Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns? Nope.

No. In like, it's like only, well, I mean, they get crushed all the time. But more specifically in the fourth quarter, like last minute comebacks that that just destroy the franchise. Buffalo? No. That's good guess. This one's a personal.

It's not being howboys? No. A team that just cannot. Oh, the Bears? No, no, you would think so, but no. Dude, you suck. These questions are, these are random. We have kickers.

We have a kicking question. That's the perfect word. Very random. This is twisted. It's very twisted. The most, yeah, team that's lost by, like, last minute field goes over and over and over again. That would be a personal favorite of mine. No.

Minnesota. I tell you. Minnesota. Minnesota. I can't know, I can't even take these wins. I can't even take these wins. I feel like that's cheating. These are hard.

We've named all 32 teams. Yeah, these are hard. No, that was a tough one. Okay. Number four, two more questions. Who was the first team to ever lose a Super Bowl by one point? Buffalo Bills. Yes.

How'd you know that? That was... Because the Giants beat them. Oh, that I should know that. Scott Norwood. No good. Giants win. That's wild.

One of their four. Yep. Okay, Jerry, there you go. So, Matt, are you taking the Vikings? Absolutely. We named 28 of the 32 team. I named the right one. Okay, last one.

Jerry Rice has the record from most career receiving yards and touchdowns in the playoffs. Who is second on both lists from most career receiving yards and touchdowns? Most receiving yards. It's Kelsey. Travis Kelsey. And touchdowns in play. Yep. I was going to say Terrell Owens.

What are your Kelsey's having? Yeah. Other than that drop, you know. I feel so bad because I should I'm happy for him I just like to it's just great content like I love making fun of it so much fun do you know what else is going to be great content and I want to ask you about this real quick

Matt tell Annie what you're doing this Saturday Annie guess what I'm going to guess what I'm doing Saturday night after big noon after he finishes this big Fox show I'm running my boys out the tunnel USC Michigan State no you know it you know oh my gosh I did it about 10 years I did it about Oh, 10 years ago? Gosh, I did it a long time ago.

That is so cool. Yeah, so they have like a tunnel captain, so I always bring back home. I'm surprised you haven't done it more often. I'm just always, I'm never home for the game because I'm always on the road. So very, very few times they have a night game where I'm home before the game starts. Isn't it a late one too? It's like 8 o'clock. Yeah.

Wow. But it's going to be fun. Jerry asked me if I'm a hype guy. Well, that's what I want to ask. I know, are you going to be like full dabbo and just sprint out there and leave the guys. Oh, yeah, dude. I'm getting hyped. A sprint? Wait, how fast? Are you like full sprint?

No. You're going to open up? No, no. I don't really sprint. I'll jog, but I will get the crowd hyped is what I'm. You got that 73 Madden speed, bro. I'll be careful. All I remember, what I remember most about Matt is being at the Notre Dame Wisconsin game in Chicago and the amount of people that were, that were like shouting at you and you handled it so well. That's because it's Notre Dame. I need to be at USC with Matt. I don't need to be at Notre Dame. Annie, if the Packers ask you to be the,

the tunnel captain and run the team out on the field. Are you going super hype or are you staying more like focused inner determination? Oh gosh, I couldn't. I'd probably pass out. I'd be trampled by everybody because I'd be so excited. Lil Wayne does that. I'd be like I'm full little way. Yeah, I would be, I'd be hype.

I'd probably, I'd probably full sprint. Well, thank you, Annie. I will say maybe go, I don't want to say go easier on this next week because I do think the audience is going to like to hear us struggle. If you beat the Chiefs, though, could you imagine, Jerry? Oh, my. Well, we're going to have, it's going to be like a berry. We're all going to be up here, go, the Chiefs are done.

Yeah. It's are over. 0 and 3. Absolutely. I look like an idiot for my Chargers' Cronko's take. I'll look like an idiot. Oh, well, good luck to you. I'm enjoying the tweets, so I'll keep watching.

I was quiet. I was a little quiet this weekend. Yeah, it's okay. There wasn't much to tweet about, so. All right. Thank you, any. Enjoy it. Good luck.

Good luck to your Packers. We'll see you next week. Thank you. Sounds good. Greatest sports moment. I've been really... Of all time for you. If you can go back.

Okay. I got to say the comeback was the comeback. I'm sorry. It's incredible. And I've been to like all of them, right? And I had a backstage pass to this because Tom and I are friendly. You know, I got to... That game was crazy.

Yeah. Come on. Now, you've got to understand, FX took me, so I was with the FX people, and we were on the 50-yard line on the first row behind the Falcons. Oh, behind the Falcons. Oh, so first of all, I was such a prick on this game. Hell yeah. By the way, it didn't help because Matt was incredible in all-world that game,

and I think I made him better because I was going, I literally was going, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, do you feel him coming, Matt? That's the way I was doing it. Even when they were down, no, like you were still... Matt's such a great dude. Yeah, he was for me to this camera away and I was going, Matt, man, I knew we could hear me.

I was hitting him with my stage voice. Never looked at me, but I could feel his body stiffening, you know? But then he'd go out and he was killing it. But one thing I did see was that every time the defense, came off they were gassed yeah and everyone the new england contingent see we were sitting with the guys from from atlanta and they were they were celebrating right totally they thought it's in the back and half's going to be a party it's 23 or 283 yeah half time it's 283 it's no it's and it's and almost at the end of the third quarter it's 283 and we're everyone's despondent

and i i have to say proudly i would not let it go i was like right now right fucking no like I was an insane person. It has to happen now where it's not going to happen. And my friend Chuck Saffler, one of the heads of FX, despondent, incredible photographer on the side, left and he walked away from us. And he went up into the upper deck, unbeknownst to me at the time. And he took a photograph right at that moment, and it's 283 with like two minutes left. And the name of the photograph, because he had it framed and he gave it to me,

is called Never Give Up. And it was because I was just going, no, we can do this. right and and I it was because I knew if we could get the ball back we would score every time against this gassed defense and Brady's just that's what and and and also this miracle's the catch we call it the immaculate reception we call it the catch by the Julian element's catch holy shit that catch goes up there with David Tyree the mac David Tyree's catch with Eli and the Super Bowl beating the Patriots is that happened right in front of the adjunct was a little more skillful but that one was his head got mashed into the by rodney yeah just to keep rodney hit him

and it sort of pushed the ball against him Julian's catch was Julian's catch that was and you can see it perfectly the way it got caught where he let it go and grabbed it again it's a sick play this oh I'm going to tell you that being down 23 in football no matter who it is is virtually impossible it's impossible virtually you don't get enough serious yeah enough time right and the immediacy and to be there for that I have to say as far as sports moments to be there for that and watch it the elation and to see it actually happen and to feel it growing to feel it over the course of the whole fourth quarter oh my god and I'm going Matt Matt you had a big reason why what's that you were bigger you were in their

head no no because every time by the way I hate it guys like you on the side let me tell you something also I'm I'm sorry and I believe it was the same offensive court You get a fact check this. I don't know. But I believe the offensive coordinator for Atlanta that year was the same coordinator who was for Seattle. Oh. Who called that pass that Malcolm picked off.

Shannon-Han call plays. It was Shannon. Well, let me tell you something. That, when he ever called that, who was the pass from the shotgun? All they had to do was. was run a short running play and take a knee and let the clock run and we were fucking done.

Yeah. But because, who was it who sacked him? I saw it. There's just so many moments again. And this is what I love about the senior. I got to take it back to the movie. It's about moments. It's about all these different moments in time.

And it really isn't about, you know, it's a sport, right? I mean, at the end of the day, football, baseball, baseball, basketball, it's a sport, but it's about, you know, overcoming adversity, the people that your comrades, the guys that you're on the field with, in the locker room with, these are the great value lessons and things. I don't know about you. I know about you.

I know. The best things you've ever learned in your life were through those memories with your teammates, with your comrades on set. sure with my good bad and ugly you know i i might even get choked up talking about it my coach coach dick collins great champion high school uh you know football coach one of the most integral men this guy was phenomenal and he taught us how to be young men my father did too but it's different from a coach than dad it's just a different different like one of the things i'll never forget my life is we you know we were a good team and we were beating everybody and like as i said we lost our last game to

chelmsford but we won every game before that we were nine and one so uh we're winning we're winning in one game we just trounce the shit out of this team and we were gloating and he tore us a new you know because he he taught us how to win with dignity yeah which is something that's kind of gotten lost lost you know everything the show and everything. I loved every value lesson that guy ever taught us the way he made us look out for each other, that he made us pick each other up. I just, you know, these are things that stick with you for a lifetime.

Here I am about to be a 62-year-old man, and I, this is high school, and I still remember it. You know, and I hope that people go to this movie, and it's that kind of movie that pulls at your heart you know there's a lot of humor in it there's a lot of laughs but it also you find yourself wanting for this man you find yourself going like hey man I want him to succeed and I think that that's a big thing in any great story you want you know some people get lost in the explosions

they're so about the action and the next thing blowing up they forget that you don't give a shit about what blows up if you don't care about the character who are at risk Yeah, that's right. Correct. That's right. There's two, I don't want to spoil too much of the movie. So, but the two things I think we could talk about.

One is also, you know, so to me when I watched it, so much of what Mike Flint was going through was also him reconciling his child with his dad. And by the way, my good buddy James Badge Dell played Mike Flind. And he's great. We did our, my first Indy ever was with Badge. She's already been acting, he was in Lord of the Flies as a young kid, right? Yeah. So that stuck out.

Terrific. Then I have a question for you about, is this scripted or is this improv? Because I have a take. And you might have showed, you might have given me a little answer there. I don't know. One of my favorite parts, why I laughed out loud because I've had this moment, was you talking to the young receiver about the longest yard. And he thinks it's an Adam Sandler movie. And you have the part where you're like, wait, Adam Sandler.

That was scripted. That was scripted. That was scripted. That's why it's great writing because that's a real conversation. You mentioned Bert Reynolds earlier. Yeah. I laughed out loud when I read it. I was like, I love this shit.

There are a generation of kids who think the longest yard is an Adam Sandler film. And I enjoyed that one too, but that's not the longest yard. I love that Rod added that it was poor and rain. Yes. Because that's the kind of game. You're standing there. They all go to the ground game. I love that.

I laughed out loud. And I'm like, I have conversations with teenagers all the time about the remakes of sports movies. He's like, yeah, you know, for me, it's, you know, the longest yard. And I go, yeah, North Dallas 40. You're like, North Dallas 40. He's like, never seen that one. Well, Adam Sandler. Wait, Adam, we love Sandler, but that's, you know, that's not the longest yard.

I guess it's hard. Well, shit. I guess it's hardwired into us, to the human condition back to the days of the Coliseum and before it. You know what I mean? There's something. Flatheaters, you know, just battling. There's something about the human spirit and, you know, not just fighting, but, but, competing uh it's something that drives it says it drives innovation it drives us to to just be

better yeah you know you um talk about your daughter odessa yeah okay and you have two daughters autumn and odessa so i just became a girl dad first time i got three boys oh wow so i'm sending my oldest to sm you now you got the youngest started that's fantastic sending my oldest to smu for The college football, two little boys, and then advice you can give me being a girl dad, and we'll let you go. What's the best advice? Well, with all my children, I said the same thing. I said, listen, I never want you to think dad's going to kill me.

No, I'm not. I'm going to help you. Tell me. Come to me. Just don't lie to me, because I can't help you if you lie to me. If you come to me and tell me the truth, you'll never get in trouble. I promise you. We'll talk through it.

I'll fix it. We'll fix it together. We'll work it out. That's great. But don't, don't lie to me. Just tell me. And listen, like, you know, I think parents remember their own youth so they get afraid, so they want to, like, you hold more. This is my father. I'm a Greek philosopher by, like, blood. I can't help it. My father would say, you hold more a sand in an open hand than a closed fist. So a lot of people squeeze and the kids squeeze. between their fingers but it's this balance of letting the kid sit on an open hand rather than choking them out yeah so they have to make their own decisions and you have to be there for counsel you have to be there to hear them out but you have to continually trust them and allow them

to live their life so what happens is people forget they either remember too vividly what it was to be a parent which makes them strangle or they forget what it is to be a kid yeah They forget. Hey, you know, remember when you were a kid? You know, you did all this stuff. Nothing happened. You were okay. You have to, like everybody wants to bubble wrap their children. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. You got to let them fall. You got to let them land in their ass. That's part of the learning process, you know. You obviously, it's terrifying. There's nothing more terrifying. And you don't want to see your kid struggle or get hurt. It's the only way to learn sometimes. Yeah, but it also shows them that they can overcome adversity, that they can, you know, that they can be brave, that they can bounce, that they're resilient, you know, all those things. That's great advice.

It sounds to me, the fact that you even ask me that question says so much. I mean, I have three boys, and I've been, so my oldest is 18 and we'll let you go. Jesus Christ, you have an 18-year-old? Going to college. Football player, by the way, SMU. Good athlete, right? Shockingly, a good athlete, right? And then two boys, so my wife, I have.

I had, we had, we were, you know, we just, she's six months old. So, like, I've only known boys, which is different. It's just fun. It's different. Sure. But I grew up in, like, testosterone. My house is very much that. But now I live in estrogen house.

I'm surrounded. So that is. There are so many feelings in my house. I'm going to get there one day. But yeah, it's just, it is. All my boys who have daughters are like, dude, it's like, they wanted me to be a girl dad's so bad because I'm like, I've had boys and I love my. It's the final boss.

But it's the final end. Yeah. We got our girl, and she already knelt me. You're so fucking dead. I'm fucked. Wow. Yeah, you're dead, but in the greatest way. I know.

I appreciate me. It's the greatest thing. It really is. Congratulations. The senior, I think it's September 19th. You're always been one of my favorites. And every time we've run into each other, man. Thanks, man.

Thanks for having me. Great performance, by the way. Congrats the senior 919. Check it out for sure. Thank you.