Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Michigan-Ohio State tension, Bryce Young bouncing back & Josh Duhamel joins the show!

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

The temperature of college football’s most intense rivalry was dialed up last week and Matt had a front row seat for all of it! He takes us through his vantage point of the Michigan-Ohio State postgame brawl while reflecting on his own rivalries with Notre Dame and UCLA.  Plus, actor Josh Duhamel joins the guys talking about his love of the Minnesota Vikings, his time as a D-II college quarterback and how he very nearly pursued a career in dentistry instead of acting.   Then, we close it out with Matt and Jerry revealing their top 3 sports brawls of all time in this week’s edition of the Throwback 3!  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (ThrowbacksShow.com)   A big thank you to our sponsors:   Throwbacks is presented by Cash App  That's Money. That's Cash App.  https://cash.app/bank  Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank.     Wendy’s   Try Wendy's New Saucy Nuggs Today   https://wendys.com/nuggs  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

But I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs. I started applying the whole thing. Not trying to typecast you as a dentist. I feel like you have had a predominantly female clientele. Twenty five year old Josh is a dentist. Handsome guys feel like you would have had a lot of ladies. Hey, you had three cleanings this month. What are you doing back here?

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You know, movies like Transformers franchise and win a date with Tad Hamilton. He's got a new show coming out on Netflix. But also, little known fact, with D2, was he a D2 or is that D3, D2 quarterback? Is there even D3 football? North Dakota, D2 or D3. Just absolute stud.

Yeah, we're gonna talk about him. You've met him, you know him for a while. I know him pretty well. Josh is a good dude. Yeah, he is just like your quintessential good dude, man. Like guys guy, loves sports, obviously great career in Hollywood, still doing his thing, directed Buddy games and all that,

which is fantastic and just doing a lot of stuff, man. And I run into him a couple times a year I feel they have big Vikings fan big Vikings guy happy got Kirk cousins coming back into the building So look I would you had a very interesting weekend You had a front row seat and a lot of people have talked about the Ohio State Michigan brawl Where were first first things first, where were you when that was happening? Because you were doing Big Noon.

Where were you located once the game ends and the Brawl breaks out? So we're doing, so we're on the field. And first of all, the whole game, and again, we all picked Ohio State to win. I think pretty much everyone thought they were gonna win. So I apologize to Michigan. But we're always doing a post game kind of hit

after the game. And so we're right there in the corner of one of the end zones and we're kind of there getting ready. We're gonna tape a hit this time cause the game went long. And there's like a minute left and all of a sudden, and usually we have a feel like wherever we're at,

we'll have a feel of whether fans are gonna storm the field, right? Obviously not in this case, but whether fans are gonna storm the field, right? Obviously not in this case, but whether fans are gonna storm the field or something's just gonna happen because all of a sudden the cops and all the security start to line up on the field. And you could kind of see security and people kind of getting on the field

just to make sure like, just none of the shenanigans that ended up happening happen. And I'm sitting there and we're kind of looking and all of a sudden I see whoever, I see the Michigan flag and that was the thing. And we're probably like, we know we're in the corner of an end zone, so we're not that far.

Someone just, the flag is just going up and there's still Ohio State players kind of walking off the field. Everybody's kind of walking off the field and I was like, oh, this like, this is just, you just felt it. Like you could felt it, it was gonna be like, oh, this like this is just you just felt it like you could felt it was going to be like they were going to plant the flag or they were going to talk whatever was going to be because Michigan was not supposed to win that game. They were 20 point underdogs.

They were supposed to get blown out this and that that's all they heard. And that's not what happened. So we just started I remember looking at Mark, I go, Mark, look at this. And all of a sudden it just was chaos in the middle of the field. And we were like, damn. And then we saw, and then we cut to it after we started taping our head and we had our aerial shot of it, you know, with the camera. And we were kind of watching it live during our taping.

And you could see what happened. I'm like, and then you started seeing some of the blows and then the pepper spray and all that, which again, I said, I don't condone that stuff obviously, but a part of me kind of just that it's kind of why I love college football. I just, I love, I love passion. I love like, I love fan bases when they don't like each other. I love teams when they don't like each other. Obviously you don't want it to go too far, but man, it was, uh, it was pretty wild to

see. Yeah. You know, and first of all, as someone who's been mace slash pepper sprayed before, it's the worst. It really does. It's, it's the worst. It's everything you think it is and more. And I knew it. I saw it right away. I didn't see the spray, but I saw one of the players like, oh yeah, grab it. It was so clear. So I'm with you where, you know, the violence of it, of course, like you don't want anyone to get hurt. Although you do love seeing it. And then you realize even with the cops, I'm not saying the pepper spray, whatever, but you realize they wouldn't stand a chance in that brawl.

When you, one of the Michigan players was like barking at one of the cops and he was a solid two and a half feet taller than the cop. Someone got arrested, like legit arrested. We watched it live. Some guy who was wearing all, it was an Ohio State fan, just probably hammered on the field, got totally arrested walking off the field. I was like, damn. I'm for that. Good. Cause he definitely shouldn't have been on the field. But I do think violence aside, it is the last defense, I think, of rivalries. I think in the pros, I was really trying to think hard about it. All right, baseball does have some great rivalries, but really there's like two. And I started thinking, well, maybe why was it

interleague play? Because, you know, the Yankees used to play the Red Sox a hundred times a year. And now it's, I don't know, I was trying to figure out why. NBA, the stars move around, so it's more of a star driven league. So there's star rivalries, not team rivalries. Football has theirs, and it could be reignited at any point. But that's the beauty of college sports. Those things are real. And I think when they go, that's going to be a bad of college sports. Those things are real. And I think when they go,

that's gonna be a bad moment for sports. I don't think it'll ever go. So people need to understand this, because like, I'm so fortunate I get to see this. I get to see these rivalries in person, in particular, Ohio State, Michigan, which I put down, I put out on X. I think it's the biggest rivalry in college football.

It might not be the best, but it's, and it's, because Urban Meyer talks about this all the time, that game means something to those teams 365 days a year. Urban used to say, if we, because he was seven and O, the day after Michigan, they put back on their clocks 364 days until we play Michigan next year. And it's like, it's a constant reminder,

it's like the game, right? It's the game. So it just means so much. Like Michigan winning that game just salvaged their whole season. No one gives a shit what happened. They're seven and five. They got the number one player in the country.

They have kind of good vibes going into next year, but they beat Ohio State again. To your point, like I was thinking about this and I'm watching it, like so many people talked about college football this year and the last couple years of like, well, the conference realignment, right? We got Texas, Texas A&M again, which was fantastic.

Like a lot of that has kind of taken the rivalries away because of conference realignment. Now NIL and the transfer. That's what I wanted to ask you. How that affects it too. Well, yes. To your point with like, NBA has free agency. Like, college has Portal 2.

Now, there's some kids on those teams that really haven't experienced this rivalry. That was their first time. So like, I was curious to think like, does it mean as much to those kids if they didn't grow up with it? Or they weren't a part of Michigan or Ohio State for the last four years.

I walked away, I was Saturday night, I got home, and I'm thinking, I don't like fighting, I don't like some of the stuff that can happen again. It's sports and whatever, but I was like, damn, this is why college football's the best, because you have passion, you have hatred, you have fans you have States like Michigan and Ohio the states hate each other because of this game. That's it

Like it's wild and to see it. Excuse me to see it I kind of was like damn like college football is in a great place like it really is like despite all of that stuff well Michigan had no business winning that game Well, Michigan had no business winning that game. And that's why they were like on their home. Yeah. And I have a lot of Michigan fans in my life and all I saw on social media the whole day before and the day after, what was it?

800 and to your point with Urban does 800 in some odd days since the last time Ohio State beat Michigan. It's been 1800 days or 1800. It's over 1800. Yeah, it's over 1800. And then also I saw, which was, I knew they were ready. They, Michigan walked in to the Sicario, um, kind of like, it's not like a theme, but it's like the baseline on that famous freeway shootout. And it may just say, well,

these, these dudes are ready, but I had no business winning that game. No business winning that game. I mean, and it's strictly because of the rivalry of it. And then I did think a lot about the NIL transfer portal part of affecting the rivalries, like you said, because now it does emulate professional sports in a way that it never did. So is there ever a world where, you know, Travis Hunter kids should not get into a bra like that. It could cost themself or a player like Travis Hunter could cost them dough potentially. Right? Am I overthinking this? No, you're right. And then also, I mean, a lot of the narrative after that game was do some of these kids get suspended, right? Or fined, right? Fine now because some of them are making money. I don't think we're there. I don't think we're there yet in college.

But in the NFL, if you're getting in a fight, you're either getting fined heavily, or maybe you get suspended depending on, like obviously, the severity of what happened. I don't think anything will happen. But yeah, I think that's, we're entering a world like that where these, at some point, every player on a team is gonna get paid, they're gonna become employees

of the school and there'll be consequences for that. I still don't think, like, it's not like, again, we're talking about like, do you cross a line? When do you cross a line? What's taken too far? Like, planning to flag, dude. Like, Baker Mayfield did it a couple of years ago. It was awesome. And he even said in his press conference this week, he's like, dude. Like, Baker Mayfield did it a couple years ago. It was awesome.

And he even said it in his press conference this week. He's like, dude, then beat us. Like, beat us for 60. He cares. I get it. I do get that. I love it, dude. But no, what I mean is if I'm on Ohio State,

you absolutely have to fight. If you're gonna come play, I get it. You lost the game, fine. It wasn't like it wasn't a good game. Both those teams played their heart out. So it wasn't like Michigan came in, blew them out. Ohio State was certainly trying very hard to win. I don't know, me, the way I grew up, I am not allowing that on my field. Listen, every time.

It sounded like Baker, like they had like an agreement. Hey, when you do it to us, you plant the flag. And by the way, any time- I have no problem starting to fight over that. To your point about Travis Hunter, anytime there's a fight, immediately people go straight to the quarterback and be like, nope, nope, nope, stay the hell out of that.

So yeah. Did you instantly hate Notre Dame before you even threw a ball for USC once you got there? No, I hated Notre Dame because of like, it's a good question. I think UCLA, there was more of a hatred because it was more intimate. I knew a lot of the kids. The location of it all.

The location, they talked a lot of shit. They beat us the very first year. I was at SC for five. They beat us the first year. So I was like, okay, I see this cross-down rivalry. It's pretty cool. Okay, yeah, like you just immediately don't like them, right? And then Notre Dame became a real rivalry because it's pretty cool. Like, okay, yeah, like you just immediately you don't like them, right? And then Notre Dame became a real rivalry

because they were really good. And then it just became like battles, you know? And then also they were always kind of like the one team that was like a tough out for us to get to a national champion. So it just became a little bit of like a hatred for them. USC Notre Dame is not like a, it's not a heated rivalry like Ohio State, Michigan

or Auburn, Bama. It's a respected like national rivalry that goes back however many years with just some of the greats to ever play. That rivalry is just different. But I just kind of learned not to like them over the years because we talked to Brady last week, it was just, because they were good just different. But I just I just kind of learned not to like them over the years. Because we talked you know, we talked to Brady last week, it was just because they were good and

they were kind of arrogant. And you know that but that's how rivalries kind of like that's what they're for, you know, it's so fun for me because I you know, we did a little bit of rivalries in our throwback three last week was rivalry this week our throwback three based off of this is just going to be sports brawls. Again, not condoning the violence, but there's been some. So what a good one. And we just had the Malice in the Palace anniversary and it is what creates rivalries. Now, I just don't want them to go away and I have a hard time wrapping my head around it

because in my profession, it's like the opposite of rivalries. I'm sure there's some behind you. There's gotta be rivalries. You just don't really hear about it. Yeah. You don't really hear. I know whatever's public, and there was even behind the scenes talk, like I know The Rock and Vin Diesel had a little bit of a thing during Fast and the Furious.

I wouldn't quite call it a rivalry. And I think they're friends again. Like us with Entourage, network TV shows would probably have rivalries back in the day. Like if you're on ABC and you have a sitcom, you're trying to win the night. You're trying to win the Thursday night ratings. Right. Versus whoever on NBC. So I could see that and that's all gone because network TVs. Maybe if you're, if you guys, I mean you guys were up for a lot of awards, right? And did you lose? I know you said you guys lost a bunch, right? Did you lose? you lost to the same show every year or was it so yeah

We lost I think six or seven straight years for Emmy for best comedy So yeah, I guess our rivalries with entourage. I only think power had rivalries because we were doing like our own thing We owe and this is how we tried to always handle it. We tried to organize We owe and this is how we tried to always handle it. We tried to organize Whether it's pick up basketball or softball. It was always the office beat us like five of the seven years. We lost Yeah, they had a run Scrubs we we just used to talk trash with because they I think Donald phase it like they just No, no, they didn't beat us for an Emmy I think they just fancied themselves athletically good.

And we were like, we'll beat you guys in anything. And we wanted to involve the crew too, not just cast, cast and crew. Let's get some of the grips, some of the teamsters out there. Did that ever happen by the way? That's amazing. Did that ever happen? We never, never got it.

You know, obviously Seth Green was a great rivalry on the show. So, and he's on this great tour right now, Matt. And we have the episode with the Entourage guys coming out soon. Randomly, Seth Green ran into Emmanuel Schrieke, who played Sloan, and he posts a picture on Instagram, got millions of views. The next day, I think he innocently runs into Kevin Dillon, posts a photo, and he's posting like 50 cent,

like many men wish death upon me as his music. And then the week after that, he was with Connolly and he posted all three photos. So I just did the Victory podcast. Connolly's got it back going. And I think they're gonna have Seth Green and Emmanuel on the same episode. You're gonna get an invite too.

Well, here's what Connelly's doing is brilliant. He's taking on this persona of, I'm gonna reject you before you have a chance to reject me, meaning he's gonna invite you on, Matt. He's gonna say, hey, Matt, why don't you come on the pod? Or you know what? Or don't, like don't, if you're busy, just don't even, I don't care, one way or the other.

We'd love to have you, but I truly don't care if you come on he did that to me and it worked He made me feel like I I wanted to go that much more So I think that's dropping soon, but yeah, there's no real Maybe like maybe like maybe like an actor who's like actors who like dated the same girl or something Maybe there's something like personal there. I can't really talk about rivalry, but there is beef and Maybe there's something like personal there. I can't really talk about rivalry, but there is beef. And the only other real beef I remember, it's another Seth.

And if you ask him, he probably doesn't even remember. And he certainly won the beef. It was Seth Rogen. So Seth Rogen- With you? Or with the show? Well, with the show and mainly Doug, but also we were the, which always gets me

where the actors on the show getting paid to say lines. You're going to be mad at me for a line I said, but, uh, he said something in an interview where he had an HBO pilot that was almost ready to go the same time entourage wasn't at some point. HBO is picking between the shows. We're either going to pick up this, this or that they didn't pick up his show. They picked up entourage. So in this interview and he's like no and they pick up entourage and who who the hell watches entourage Meanwhile seven straight Emmys But and he talks all this shit now Doug sees this and Doug is not you know He if Doug gets pissed he puts it in his work. We had a whole episode dedicated

I don't know if you recall the talking about the fact that Seth Rogen was ugly. The whole episode. And my character- I'd be pissed too. Or did you, or was your character the one that was talking that shit? My character is the one that's like, I don't understand how Katherine Heigl goes home with him and knocked up. She's beautiful. It's awful. I even remember telling Doug, like Doug, do we really have to do this? He's like, it's funny. I'm like, I don't know this guy. Tell me you've run into him over the last 15 years. No, but then I think, I do think he on some red carpet after that talked a bunch of shit and then like he's run into Dylan and I think Dylan even told him like, you know, we didn't

write that, right? Like we just. Dude, what? Holding the grudge all these years. Well by the way, you won Seth you won He's ballin' yeah. You've been ballin' you won you if there was a rivalry in beef You won. Oh, we gotta get we gotta get him on. He would never in a million years Come on and talk to us ever because of me probably. No, but that would be even great

Or he might just say you know what Jerry I'm gonna come on and talk to it right to his face I've been I've been waiting to you right to his face. I've been waiting to say this for 15 years. Look, I still will say I didn't love it at the time. No, I didn't love it at the time. Just talking about, we didn't do that on the show often where we purpose, like we called someone ugly over and over again.

So yeah, anyway, Seth Rogen, if you're listening, which you are not, you do have a good shoe game. You stepped up your shoe game. Yeah, anyway, Seth Rogen, if you're listening, but you are not, you do have a good shoe game. Don't worry. We're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna get I like Seth Rogen. I watch his movies. That's great. He's funny. Do you know him? No. I just love to listen to him talk to you. I never met him. Anyway. So yeah, that's it. That's all I really got. No rivalries in acting. Let's move on. Cause it's time to do, you know, I'm getting a little sip right here.

It's time to do our Wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week. Matt, I don't know how you're gonna feel about mine. I think I'm gonna probably co-sign with you on this one, I think. So, it's not often we like to highlight a moment that is one of us, but I'm gonna highlight one of mine as the saucy moment of the week.

Right. It's elf on the shelf season. Parents out there, the commitment that it takes to do it, we've really only been doing it now for two or three years. Brie, my lovely wife, also at some point was like, you know, I do hate that we're... Oh, time out. Yeah. Parents, if there's kids in your car... Turn it off. Turn it off for now or come back to it later. But if there are kids who are, you know, just... You don't want your little ones to hear this part, right? Bree was like, I don't really love that. We're lying. I love how you're whispering now like they

We don't love that. We're lying in the Jacob about elf on the shelf and Santa and in the same breath She's sending me Instagram videos about how we kid most kids only believe in Santa till eight or nine years old We only got three years left I took all that energy and I've channeled it into my elff on the Shelf. You've been on fire by the way. On fire, hundreds of thousands of views. I am getting some help from Instagram. I'm farming it out and putting my own spin. But now my goal is to have 24 days of just so awesome Elf on the Shelf. So by the way, great sauce, great saucy. I'm with you. That's the same for me. My question to you is though, why, why are you starting it so early?

That's a wonderful question. We usually do like a week before. Oh, really? I think. And again, that's honestly, dude, I've never been more proud of you in my life because Josie handles all of that for here. I'm getting encouragement. People are DMing me like, this is great. Keep it going. Like, don't just move on from the table to the chandelier. Major brownie points, dude. At some point, I'm going to run out. That golf game is going to look real nice there come January 1. At some point, I'm going to run out of stuff. Let's be honest. So I think so Elf on the Shelf, I love it. I think it's great.

I think it's just, it's cute. And like, and you and I are in the same boat of like, I think Christmas is just such a fun time, I think because of our kids' ages, right? How's the, how's the holiday season is nuts. Just, I feel like once you hit, cause we, you and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, like the Christmas trees and decorations were up,

like November, we had the date, like the wives like picked November 15th or whatever the hell that was. Trees are, we're actually decorating the tree this week. But yeah, so I feel like once Thanksgiving's over, it's all of a sudden your calendar is just filled up like everything. Are you for it?

Are you against it? How do we feel about it? I mean, what's the holiday season like over there in Cleveland? There is fifth, we went through this family calendar and then I wanna get your, I don't know if this, is this leading into your sauce moment or no? No, I'm agreeing with you. is just leading into your sauce moment or no? No, no I'm just I'm agreeing with you my

sauce moment is your sauce moment. We have 15 we have 15 Christmas things planned and Bria Reddy screwed up. Check this out and we're gonna Wendy's thank you for giving us the time to talk about this. First one out of 15 was we were gonna go to this it was basically like Christmas like a Christmas carol sing-along at this theater downtown and we get there and she misread it because it was actually the Cleveland Orchestra there's people in suits there's not another kid to be seen in the whole place and my boys are there in a in a 80 piece orchestra wondering where Santa is so we're oh for one what time it's it's I

mean there's like polar Express we go on a train ride we did that we go on a train ride we have a brunch with Santa it's it's well how do you have 15 there's only like less than 20 for days and 15 events do the math there's there's plenty of time plenty of time of time. What we do for love, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Love or just some of that free alone time that you're going to get after with on the golf course. I'm hoping it translates. I hope Bree, I hope Bree, because she's going to listen to this and she's going to, you

know, like, I just want to, I hope Bree just acknowledges just what, how much thoughtfulness goes into Elf on the Shelf. Because I acknowledge it about Josie, I think it's like, I'm like, you did, you wrote a whole letter, what, on Monday, what, like a letter? She fully knows that I took what she started, because she also had some births and has left me alone with this.

I took what has started, and now I'm trying to like, Jordan flu game it. I'm trying to just put the team on my back, lead them to victory victory and move on. At the very least, I deserve some Wendy's saucy nugs out of this whole thing. The Jordan flu game of elf on the shelf. Shout out to Wendy's. Thank you very much. And we are going to come right back with Josh Duhamel. There's only one place you can hear a three-time national championship winning head coach.

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And look, we're officially rolling, so we don't necessarily have to start here. But Josh, do you remember you and I did play in that direct TV beach ball thing together? I don't know if you remember how many times you played and I absolutely destroyed a now mutual friend of ours, Kevin Dillon. I lit it was like Justin Jefferson lighting up some some some DB. They got off the practice squad. I lit him apart. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not that Justin Jefferson would have been like a first grader when we played that. You might have been born. I think it was his birthday. It was the year that we played in that. That was fun though. I don't remember them doing that after that year. They stopped it because I think it was always DirecTV and then I think once DirecTV kind of doesn't have as big of a presence now. So Super Bowl week, they no longer do that. Matt, would you have a quarterback in one of those? Because you guys play some flat, you do something together, right? Where you get to throw, where you throw? Well, I did, I did quarterback or I did play in that beach ball. The Miami one, I was a

coach of a team that won. I remember we coached, I coached Blake Lively and a bunch of other people's hystericals. I think it was like 2006 was that or 2007 was the Miami one. And then Josh and I played in this RX3 event down in Orange County. A lot of former quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers, a big investor in this company and like guys like Josh Allen and it's pretty cool, dude. Like it was and actually, that's the last time I saw you. And I will just say we I won my team won that and I was fired up. It was like Like it was, and actually that's the last time I saw you. And I will just say, I won, my team won that and I was fired up. It was like the best team I've ever been on. It was an unbelievable team.

Did you stick around for the playoffs? I, I don't think I did. You didn't see me hoist a trophy. We had to get back. I don't remember sticking around for the whole thing, but I remember just watching, you know, even that, the level of competition,

they had some real players in there. I had one, there was one dude, one of the teams that literally wanted to fight. I haven't been that close to like an on-field brawl my whole life until that little, that little, you know, like football tournament. This kid was like up in my grill just trying to, I was like, what am I doing here?

I'm like a 50 year old man instead of a sophomore in college trying to pick a fight with me. Well, so I was like, maybe it's time for me to go home. Well, I mean, honestly, speaking of brawls, did you see, I know we're gonna talk about your Vikings, but did you see the college football brawls this weekend? You get a chance to kind of just see all of the shit talking,

everything that went down. It was pretty much every rivalry game had a had a flag planted or a punch thrown, which I think is kind of awesome. I got to be honest with you. It's kind of awesome. Well, you know, I think you got to know that when you're going to go plant the flag in the middle of the other teams, you know, home field, punches are going to fly. Yeah, I tried to think, John, I often try to find with this show like what's the intersection of like sports and pop culture and entertainment and

acting. I can't really find any kind of Hollywood rivalry that could emulate anything like Ohio State Mission I know like the Rock and Vin Diesel and Fast and the Furious there was like a thing and we had Drake and Kendrick Right now that's well that we got that's a that's a good one. That's the best one, right? I Would say so by far like you didn't have any rivals, right? Yeah, is there anyone that you just you you just wanted to punch him in the face? Is there a guy out there? No, no, no.

I've been lucky that way. Eric Dane and I almost got into it one time on a set, though. We laugh about it now, but it was like just a total misunderstanding. Let it do all those little fake fights where he gets all heated and he grabs me. I grab him while I grab this tie. By accident and like it pulled down like Titan, and he's pushing me off, like, dude, I'm so sorry about that. But then we had to read, you know, reset and do it again. And sure enough, I was high again and he got really pissed

and it turned into like a thing. But we we patched it up right afterwards. It was, you know, I wasn't trying to choke him out. Right. That's the most we get, Matt. We don't get that was the best I could I could come up with. What about you, Jerry? You know, I I tried to really think that the the extent of what I could come up with was we did have like a little beef with Seth Rogan on the show. We said some things on Entourage about him that were attempted to be funny. He didn't take it that way.

But no, for us, we would try to organize like softball games versus the office or versus scrubs, find like one of the other comedies. But you know what? Let's try to do something athletic. And we never actually got to it. Yeah, you know, I remember being younger auditioning against the same three guys every time and not that they were rivals and we were all nice to each other. But in my mind, the competitiveness kicked in where I wanted to win and get the part. Fortunately, you hardly ever get the part in what you do. You know, so yeah, we don't got nothing.

Matt, you guys are way, way cooler than us. We're artsy fartsy, Matt. Yeah. Hey, you played ball. I you played ball back then. We should just jump right into that. I mean, talk about your what? Your college career. Well, let's talk about your son's

college career first. I heard he's going to SMU. Yeah, pretty cool, man. How awesome. I saw him, I think, at the at the flag tournament. He was so he was so that would have been two years ago almost.

So, yeah, he was a freshman or sophomore. And yeah, he just committed last month. So he's, so that would have been two years ago almost. So yeah, he was a freshman or sophomore. And yeah, he just committed last month. So he's still got another year, but pretty wild. Like Jerry and I talk about it on this all the time, just, you know, just being dads. And like, for me now, for him to kind of, I don't even want to say follow in my footsteps because he's definitely paved his own way

and he's really worked hard at this. And he's kind of starting to embrace like, hey, I'm gonna be a football player and that's fine. But it's been really, it's been really cool because I just get to be a dad and watch him, you know, and obviously, give him advice and, and I've been through the ups and downs of sports and football at the highest levels, but it's pretty cool, dude. So yeah, we're fired up and yeah, so. That's awesome. You know, offline, I'm gonna pick your brain about how you do that.

I got an 11 year old who finally is into sports. Let me know. Not football, not yet. He's actually getting into football a little bit, but he loves soccer. Soccer, yeah. And he's just obsessed with it. And he's gotten really good over the last couple of years.

He was terrible. Actually the last year he really improved. And it's like, how do you like, how much do you push or how much you let them sort of do their own thing? I think my, my, my, my level is going to be, is he's going to be, is my wife is six foot. It was probably going to be huge. Yes. Like, how do I start grooming him? How do I start grooming him? How do I start grooming him right now to become a star quarterback, Matt Liner?

Um, I do the tour. It was the was the quarterback at USC back in the day. Oh, you talk about. Oh, I know you're talking about more. Marinovich, right? Marinovich. His dad used to. I'm not.

Dude, I'm not sure we want to go down like 11 months old. Yeah, we don't want to go down that path, Josh. We don't want to go down that path. Listen, I have a three year old. I can already see it. My three year old, my three year old has all the talent in the world. I just don't think he gives two shits yet.

My five year old, not as much talent, but cares and like is going to be good because he works hard. You and I will have a conversation because also like there's we've talked about this too like club sports and is your oldest play is he playing club soccer? He's about to try out for the first time this year. He's paying L Y S O right now. Okay. Yeah, it just gets it's just it's hyper competitive and I think it's like what is too much and what is I like I have a conversation my brother all the time. I have an 11 year old nephew who's a really good baseball player, but club all this.

And I just ask him, because I get asked this question a lot, I said, what's like, what is the goal? Like, what is your end goal? Is it for him to be high school soccer? Is it to be college? And then you kind of can start to like mold and just kind of figure out like, what's the best path for him to be the most successful high school soccer player

or college, whatever it is so I'll be happy to have that conversation. It's not easy man. It's been hard But it's also like it's a lot of work and and then and then it's just they have to love it You know they have to yeah wanna want to put in the work, so Righty or lefty I forget. He's a righty. He's a righty. He's a righty. Yeah, I remember I remember when I was out there I knew that he was your son. I was like hey, I want to show off my arms. You guys were playing catch I remember. No, well not really because I threw one and went about seven feet over his head. I was like, you know what? That's it

Well, I don't arm or I showed armed into the dirt or something I remember it was pretty embarrassing. He looked at me like it really you played Corbett I don't think I mean, you played in college, right? So I don't I don't know if a lot of people know that about you. What what type of and then I think I read somewhere where you almost went to dental school. Is that is that it? So you're this is like the craziest journey ever. It's like dental school, QB slash dentist, Hollywood star, like like how on earth did you get to this point?

Oh man. Yes, it's all true. I played football at Minus State University. Go Beavers. I'm sure you've heard of it. Good logo, good logo, good logo. Back in the mid 90s, loved it. I love sports, love football. It was like my my I thought I was gonna be a professional football player

And I realized I wasn't nearly good enough early on um and then it got my degree in biology with the intent to go to dental school and then moved to Move to California, and I told my mom I was going because I wanted it was gonna try to get into dental school at either USC or UCSF or UOP, one of those good dental schools.

But I think I was just saying that because I really wanted to do this. I just didn't know how and I wanted to like sniff around or dip my toes in the water and see what it was about because as you know, Jerry, I had no blueprint. I didn't know I came straight out of North Dakota as far from the entertainment industry as you can get. So, um, yeah. But I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the D.A.T.s.

I started applying the whole thing. You would feel like you would have had a great practice and not trying to typecast you as a dentist I feel like you have had a predominantly female clientele. I feel like 25 year old Josh is a dentist buttoned up handsome guys feel like you would have had a lot of ladies You get three cleanings this month. What are you doing back here? I just we just cleaned your teeth Could you imagine how like how different is it crazy how like one decision obviously you've had so much success but it's like if you would have just maybe like Jerry like not stuck

it out or you waited for the audition or a role and you're just like you know what I'm over this I'm gonna go to dental school how different your life would be that would be crazy. Yeah, you know it's it I think about that a lot as far as, you know, when I hear somebody say if I just would have done this or that, but I think that, you know, I think that we make these decisions and it isn't, it isn't one way or the other, I think that you, and it's not a right or wrong decision.

I think that if you make a decision, you're going to make a lot of right decisions after that one, you're going to make some wrong ones. But if you just keep the intent of what you're trying to go do, you will eventually get there if you keep your eye on that target and try to keep it as specific as you can. I think I saw Peyton Manning say something like that one time where I never made a wrong decision because whenever I make a decision, I make sure that it's the right one. I do everything after that to make sure it's the right one, you know,

and there's a lot to that. Yep. So it's not, it's not, people say it's not, you know, it's, it's who you know, or it's, it's the lucky break, but yeah, you'll get those. But then are, do you capitalize on that window of opportunity to get one? And do you recognize that window of opportunity? You know, cause oftentimes you got one right in front of you and you don't take advantage of it or you have a fear of success and you do something to self-sabotage. I say that all the time. I've done that myself.

You know, a lot of people say, oh, if I only had the shot, but sometimes they're caught up in something else and they don't realize that there's tons of shots right in front of them if they could just clear their head a little bit. We're gonna move on to a deeper football talk in a second. I got one last selfish thing. My five-year-old now is super into Transformers, right? So, and we watched the old, I showed him like the old cartoon that I used to watch and stuff like that. But then I started, I handpicked clips to show him of the movie because some of it's not really appropriate for him just yet. And this morning before school I was showing him one clip and you pop on the screen. So forgive me, I'm like, that's your Uncle Josh, Jacob.

You haven't met him yet. So you don't even know you have a nephew. If you ever meet my son. He's like, that's my Uncle Josh who's in Transformers. But what I wanted to really quick ask on that Cuz like I've never really I've never I mean I've auditioned for some franchise stuff But what was that transformers process talk about opportunity you have to know in that moment Transformers they're launching this whole franchise. I'm sure there was so many people gunning for

Parts in that movie, you know What was that what was getting the part that process like for you? Well, I remember like it was yesterday So I was meeting with two of his two base producing partners and On a movie called the hitcher sure so I'm sitting in this meeting trying to get a part of The Hitcher and Bayes takes his head in and says, hey, just want to say hi.

I'm working on this movie, The Transformers, remake of the, I was like, what? That's a terrible idea. It's that cartoon from the 80s. That's going to be an awful movie. That's so funny. But I do, I go over afterwards and I say hello and he shows me some of the artwork that they

have, some of the preemptive sort of stuff that they've been working on. And I was like, oh, now I get it. It was a complete reimagination of what we knew as kids. And of course, I really wanted to get the part. They had me in a little bit later, a month or so later to read for it. And I ended up getting the part. And, you know, I ended up doing four of those things. Yeah. It was incredible.

I mean, you know, Michael Bay gets a gets a bad rap a lot of times because he's you know, he's you know, they say he's a screamer and he's a dictator and all these things. But he's awesome. He really is. He's a he's a really fun guy to work with. And part of that whole reputation that he has fun with, he likes to lean into that a bit. But you know, it was a good solid 10 years of my life

pretty much on and off making those movies. Yeah, I feel like I'm lined up to watch all those a million more times with the way my five-year-old is trending. Real boys love that stuff, man. Yeah, I just got him a couple of Decepticons like, yeah, I need the bad guys now. And I'm always Megatron. All right, we're clearing the decks now because what we really wanted to talk to you about, you're Minnesota Vikings.

Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, ten and two. Oh, 10 and 2. Now, yeah, it's holding up for those just listening. He's holding up a really cool Vikings. Scull and gold football. Yes, skull. But two years ago, I'm sure you must have been excited and really, really good season. Coach had a great year.

Lost to my Giants in that first round game. I did feel two years ago it was I don't want to say fraudulent because I don't want to take away from what they were doing. They're winning a lot of close games. Now this year they're doing the same thing winning a lot of close games but also they just have playmakers all over the field and that defense looks insane. So how are you feeling about your 10 and 2 Minnesota Vikings? Well I'll start with your boy Daniel Jones is now a Viking. That's my Christmas present to you. We say to you, Daniel Jones.

There you go. Merry Christmas. You watch KLC turn him into an amazing quarterback. Exactly. Matt always says that. Dude, I tell him all the time, man, where you get drafted, it matters as a quarterback. That's for sure.

It really does. Look at Sam. Everything. It's everything. I mean, look at what Donald's doing right now. The red hammer. It started with the Jets, then he went to the Panthers and you know, they thought he was a bust. And he's turning out to be the player they thought he was going to be because he's in the right situation now.

Yeah. You know, you get with the right coach and the right system and the right weapons around you. It can really change. I mean, the guy was drafted what, fourth overall? I think third overall to the sense. I think so. Yeah. You know, that's not by mistake. The guy clearly had a ton of talent and now he's able to kind of show that off. And I think that a lot of those, you know, a lot of those licks that he took in New York and in Carolina help him sort of

appreciate the opportunity. Now he's much smarter. He's probably a lot more humble than he was because, you know, he understands how difficult it is to find a home where you can succeed. But I'm stoked about it. It's one of those years where I usually have huge hopes for this team. This year I had none.

Because we didn't know. I didn't know if Darnold was, I kept hearing, don't sleep on Darnold. That's what they kept telling me from my friends over there. Right. And sure enough, he's been great. You know, McCarthy gets hurt. I just figured it was going to be one of those years we just sort of build.

But it's been fun to watch. You know, they're 10 and 2 now. Those Lions are tough. That NFC North is, you know, it's ridiculous. I think it's the toughest division. Oh, it's like it was three. Yeah. So, you know, I don't know if we're as good as the Lions, but we could beat them on the right day any given Sunday.

You know, it's one of those years you don't know who's going to win it. There's not one clear best team, I don't think. What do you guys think? Go ahead, Matt. You kicked that off, But I have similar feelings. NFL is tough. I think the Lions, based on last year and then just how they're playing, I look at like,

you got to have a defensive win. And then are you balancing? Can you run the football and the playoffs, especially? And also Detroit's going to have home field. I kind of feel like it's their year. I kind of rooting for them in that sense. In the same way that I'm rooting for Minnesota, I think you guys deserve to make a run

and win a championship. I also like Buffalo too, man. Like I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. I always have been. And we know, I mean, he's a great dude. He's just like, he's just a beast. I love watching him play. And I just kind of feel like maybe this is their year.

Again, we say that every year and then Mahomes, they do what they do in the playoffs. But I picked a Lions, a Lions Bill Super Bowl is what I'm predicting here. So I could see that. I could see that. I'm going to be at the Vikings Packers game in Minnesota on the 29th. I can't wait for that. That's going to be insane. We may take them to where we play them. We're at home or do we play them in Detroit?

We got one more game against them. I think you have them at home. It's going to be awesome. But oddly enough, because we talked about this last week, if Goff does get the one seed and even if they make the Super Bowl, he will have played three outdoor games the entire year between playing in like Minnesota, in New Orleans with the Super Bowl at home. Yeah, he would have played three outdoor games the whole year.

So it makes the argument for some teams building a dome that are these outdoor teams. But I wouldn't do that in Buffalo. Like you mentioned, Josh Allen watching the playing this. No, that guy is built to play. Yeah, he's a lot of fun. You know, to go back to our point earlier, look at what golf is doing in Detroit.

Talk about being in the right situation now I mean they were ready to write that dude off too well you talk well Sam Sam went from I was just thinking he went to the Niners too so he played so I told Jerry I told Jerry O'Connell is fantastic obviously Shanahan if you're a quarterback and you look at like Daniel Jones like you go to these places just to like reset button you get taught, cause I played for Kubiak in Houston, which was Mike Shanahan was literally that whole offense.

So I just know firsthand, like the development and how they teach that position is just, it's just different. It's like, it's hard to explain to like, to people who haven't played the position, but it is just like, it's like a confidence booster. I don't know how else to explain it, but they teach it the right way.

I played for Denny Green, rest in peace. Denny was great and he was obviously a Minnesota coach. Do you have, those teams were, gosh, Culpepper, Moss. Do you have a favorite memory or a game or maybe as a kid, you know? I know you grew up in North Dakota, but a kid that, in that era of football for the Vikings? Oh God, it's mostly, you know,

the members are mostly heartbreak to be honest. Remember I think we were 15 and one with under- Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we were in 99? Yeah, I think you're right. We'll find out. With Moth and they just, they were stacked. They had just a ton of-

Robert Smith, I think, Robert Smith. Robert Smith, Culpepper, yeah, it was Robert Smith. Robert Smith, Culpepper, yeah it was Culpepper that year. Culpepper, yeah. Anyway, you know, but I also have a lot of great members. Just the last few years, there used to be a team that we always were just sort of like, what are they gonna do? Are they gonna blow it?

They're gonna blow it? But they haven't been doing that under O'Connell, which has been fun to watch. You know, he's really got them believing they can win and they should win, which is half the battles. I'm sure you would probably attest to. And so I was at the I was at the Minneapolis Miracle Game. Oh, gosh, I was such I remember where I was when I watched that game.

Oh, God, that was unbelievable. I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, we got Sean Payton like they can't. I don't know if you remember the game, that was unbelievable. I mean, I couldn't believe it. You know, we got Sean Payton, like they can't, I don't know if you remember the game, but they can, we were up the whole game. They come back and take the lead with like 15 seconds left or whatever it was. And he's like, oh, to the crowd.

I'm like, this motherfucker. And you know, especially after what he already did like back with the bounty gate years before that, that, I just this guy just he's not my favorite. He's got Denver rolling right now, though. But anyways, but that was a that was probably my favorite memory, especially in person. Diggs just crying. I remember they showed to on Thanksgiving like the stat, well, Randy Moss, three catches for 170 yards and three touchdowns.

I had to read it like four times. I was like, wait, is that a real three? I don't do the math. The math here is that even possible? Can you get that many yards on only on only three catches? Yeah. Moss was by far for me, you know, I'm not a giant Viking fan by any stretch, but one of my favorite players now for you this weekend is, you know, yeah. And this Kirk Cousins coming back, does he get cheered?

You're not going to boo him, right? Her cousins get some applause. I don't think they'll boo Kirk. He was he become pretty he became pretty beloved. You know, he had a great last couple of years there. I was pretty critical, but I grew to really like the guy just because I felt like he was, there were, he just, they paid him so much.

I just felt like he was never winning the big ones, but he did start to win a lot of big games for him. So I have to eat some crow and give him his props because he turned out to be a good quarterback. He struggled last week. I hope he doesn't stay in this next week. Yeah, you need one more week of those struggles. Did you see the QB on Netflix where they had,

I don't know if you saw that doc. Yeah. I think it was cool to see, because I know Kirk a little bit, it's cool to see kind of just peeling back the layers of like the everyday life of these guys. And you realize Kirk was like, I always described Stafford as like one of the toughest dudes

you'll ever see at that position, just what he's doing. Kirk is like that. Kirk has taken a beating over the years and that dude just continues. He plays at a high level, man. Like he always has, you know, he's a warrior. He just stands in that pocket. Dude, and he's not that big.

He just gets blasted. Yeah. I mean, I was terrified at Montesquieu State University. Dude, and he's not that big. He just gets blasted. I mean, I was terrified at Montesquieu State University. I don't know how you did that for as long as you did that. I cover, I get to cover college football, which is awesome. And I see these college kids and I literally tell myself, I'm like, and I'm like, you know, I've lost like 20 pounds since I play, but still I was like, what was I thinking, man? Like, I don't know what else. And now my oldest, my, but I think it's like one of those things as we get older. I think you're like, you're just like, it's not like fear,

but it's just like, as I got later in my career, I was like, man, like, I don't want to get hurt anymore. I just want to like, you kind of like collect a paycheck and you just write it as long as possible. Obviously, whereas when you're young, you're just like, you don't really give a shit. You're just out there, you're getting blasted, you're getting up. And my son doesn't care. I'm just like, man, I used to have that mentality, but now when I watch these kids, I'm like,

dude, if I got hit right now, I'd break in half. I'd literally break in half. It's not fun. And you're not that far removed. Imagine being my 52 year old ass trying to think about. But I'll say this, man, you are the most handsome 52 year old ass and trying to think about. But I'll say this, man. You are the most handsome 52 year old we know.

Oh, thanks, man. I am in full hair and makeup right now. I do. Salt and pepper is a good look. I did text, I guess, a mutual friend of ours. I know him a little bit. You probably know him much better. Nick Swartzen, who's the only other Vikings fan I know that's really all in.

And I asked, I texted him real quick. I'm like, Josh is coming on. Who's a bigger Vikings fan? For real. You or him? He said, me. Not even close. Not even close.

Me. Ask him about tickle balls. That's the only sport he knows. If you know Swartzen, that was the most Swartz in text that they could have sent back. Very on brand. He hates it when they mentioned me as a Viking Santa, not him. Oh, God. You're not even from Minnesota. What do you do? You're from North Dakota.

Josh, I used to live right on like Fountain and Holloway, where that Barney's Beanery is in West Hollywood, right? During my single days. I used to walk from my apartment to that restaurant, Hugo's it's called, on Santa Monica Boulevard. Sometimes I go on a Sunday afternoon and I would walk and if the Vikings were ever playing the late game out West, Swartzen would be at Barneys, Adrian Peterson jersey, by himself sometimes like just screaming at the TV. I really think he is number one, definitely in Hollywood, but maybe

up there all time. I guess. Yeah, he's a huge Vikings fan. That's how we bonded really. We've been. So when I first met him, he was he's wearing a twins hat. And I was like, are you twins? He's like, I'm from Minnesota. I was like, what? Well, I want to ask if you cast them to that, how much of that factor

into you casting them when you direct the buddy game? Well, I'm from Minnesota. It's like, what? Let's not ask if you cast them to that. How much of that factor into you casting him when you direct the buddy game? Well, I'm obviously a huge fan. He is too. I think he's hilarious. Larry. But it did make it easier, you know, convince them to come do the movie. Um, you know, your boy, Kevin Dillon, you know, I've gotten to know a lot of you guys now, don't know what I don't know is Adrian, but I played golf with Kevin the other day.

Oh, you did. So yeah, I get, I know the whole crew. With Connolly or Dale Connolly? Well, Connolly. I didn't play golf with Dylan yet, but you know, we've done the two movies now with Dylan. Yeah. Nicest guys in the world, man. Really. I mean, Kevin Dylan is just a sweetheart, isn't he? He yeah, we had him on. He, we had all of them on the pod a few weeks ago, we haven't even aired the episode yet because it takes like four years to edit those guys because we just went for like two hours.

So we're gonna drop that one. I was in heaven then, that was great. It really was awesome with those two, but then when I heard he was gonna do the movie with you and then I saw Swartzen, I was like, oh man, that's gonna be awesome and that. And now like I can't even be in Buddy Games 3 if there's another one you're not gonna cast me and Dylan together you wouldn't go down that road

would you? I'm thinking about doing a third actually. Do it! Those are awesome movies. Well I appreciate that it's yeah hey Matt you well here let me before Can I get like a two second camera? you let me pitch you the idea here? So so I want to call it bloody games. And it'd be the last one. And it's like a think scream, you know, like a comedy horror. And we just kill every character brutally and hilarious. And who's going to do I feel like you kill me in the tight opening title sequence. And then I feel like liner gets it after Act one.

No, actually, I should kill some throw a football. I then I feel like liner gets it after act one. No, actually I should kill some, I throw a football. I don't know. I should kill somebody. Like just some random stupid way to die. That's all I did. So honestly, I was thinking about that. It was actually Nick's idea, but I figured it'd be fun.

I don't know. All right. I don't have to cast me. All I want is can I just, could you and I have a conversation about if Dylan Doesn't survive and gets whacked how we kill how you kill Dylan. Can I just be in the writers room for that? Please I'll take whatever he's the he's really gonna get it. I mean he's gonna his is gonna be long and painful

Do like an homage to the blob maybe Kevin famously was in the blob in like 79. We could do a blob homage, dude. I believe how long that dude's been in the business. I think about that all the time. When he started entourage were about I'm like his age now. And by that point, he was already platoon, the doors, like all the blah, all these crazy movies. And who knew that he's also one of the funniest people around town. Yeah, he's a good dude, really good dude. I gotta tell the story. This is good.

I hope it's an acting story, Matt. It's an acting story. So it made me think of throwing a football at somebody. So I was right out of college and I was in House Bunny. So one of Sandler's movies. So he reached out and I made a cameo of college and I was in house bunny so one of Sandler's movies So he reached out and I made a cameo with Sean Salisbury. So we're at I'll never forget dude It's the funniest shit ever. So we're at the Playboy Mansion and We're shooting a pool scene and it's me and Salisbury talking and then Anna Ferris comes in with whoever else

and this is like our whole thing and then I There's one where I'm throwing a football to somebody and then obviously, so this is after the scene. So now I'm doing takes of throwing a football and I have to drill this dude in the back in the pool or something. And like, I'm like, there's like, you know, hundreds of people there on set,

Sandler's making fun of me, you know, whatever. And I'm just like, dude, there's a lot of pressure right here. And no, and I swear to God, I couldn't make this up. I think I hit him the first time. I hit him like in the back, like the back right shoulder. Like, can you try and get a little more center? I'm like, I'm like probably 15 yards away.

So it's not like a long throw, but I'm like, I'm gonna do my best guys. So then the next throw, I swear to God, I just chuck it. It goes over the guy's head and it hits this She must have been a playmate. She was in a bikini right in the frickin square of the face, dude You Marsha Brady her you remember you guys remember Josh Richmond member Josh Richmond Josh Jerry does oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So anyway, Josh a good buddy He was there and he was right next to me and it was like I don't know. It was all Sandler's crew watch and we were

I was like, I thought I think it made the blooper out takes dude. It was the funniest shit ever. So my point is, is I have experience. Yeah, just just breaking someone's nose. Well, I'm curious how what did she get hurt? No, I honestly was like, like, what's gonna happen guys? Am I gonna get sued? Like I had no idea. I was like 23 years old. Everyone was dying. She was fine. But it was like it was bad it was honestly pretty bad yeah yeah there's nothing worse than that I felt horrible I felt you got a rocket for an arm Matt that's what happens well you're a little more accurate maybe you

want to say that's why they were Sandler was like are you fucking kidding me dude you're an NFL quarterback I was like dude I'm not this is this is yeah anyway good story Josh if you need if you need anybody you know I'm, I'm not this is this is Yeah, dude shit. Anyway, good story Josh. Hey, if you need if you need anybody, you know, I'm here. I'm here for you All right. I'll remember that was there ever a sports movie or a football movie or something that you were up for that you didn't get or one that you really wished Cuz I really think about sports movies all the time I think they're in a lot of trouble cuz the documentaries are so good So I feel like I don't know if we're really gonna get

script. I feel like they're all kind of cheesy now. Yeah. So I always try to sit around think what's a great scripted sports movie and I still clearly haven't cracked it. But what were some of your sports movie influences and then once you started your acting career was there ever... me I always think like Rudy that's probably the only role I could have played. Undersized linebacker for Matt's favorite school, Nord or Dave. Anything for you that jumps to look like him. So, you know, I don't.

Yeah, I mean, I always wanted to because it drives me crazy when I watch a movie. It's the worst. It's the worst. When they can't throw or they can't dribble or they can't shoot or you can tell they never played the game. It's infuriating. It drives me crazy. And I see that a lot of my why did not get a chance to play this? I can at least throw a football. Am I that bad of an actor? I got one. I got the movie you would have crushed. I think. Have you ever seen the replacements? Yeah, like you and the piano part. I mean, Keanu Reeves was great in it. He was great. All universe. I feel like I think you were maybe a little younger than him at the time. Like so. Yeah. But all universe. I feel like you in the replacements or if you were slightly older,

the quade part in any given Sunday, although he was already like the aging quarterback. I feel like you would have. I'm casting you as a quarterback basically. I said varsity blues. That would have been good, you know I love all those movies you know it's uh at this point in my career I don't try to you know think too much on it because I'm just a I would be a coach right or probably a coach towards the end of his career at this point. But yeah, it was one of those things that I always wanted to do. And I did a little bit of it,

but never like a movie where I was a guy who played, he's a former quarterback, but there's not much football in the movie, you know? So I never got a chance to really do it, which would have been fun. Would you ever want to direct maybe a sports movie or? Well, I directed both of the Buddy Games movies and I'm about to go direct. Yeah. I'm about to go so that was sort of sporty but not really a sports movie. I would you know I would but as you know it's a it's a heavy lift. I

thought that I wanted to direct, and I'm about to go do one in January. And man, it is five months, six months of all consuming, from prep all the way through, all the way through delivering it and marketing it and the whole thing. So I gotta really love it. I gotta really love it. I got to really, I really

and I really do like this one I'm about to go do. It's about these two dads who are fighting to get the kid into this last spot in this. This pretentious preschool in London. It's pretty realistic. I was going to say exactly.

Well, so my life. So yeah, exactly. So that's that's about to happen. We've already started prep on that. We'll go, we start shooting, I think, January 27th in London. Awesome. So yeah. Well, also too, I mean, I do want to talk to you

a little bit before you go about Gatlin Health because I just turned 45. I'm another November birthday like yourself and What's your birthday? November 25th. So just passed. Yeah, I Used to be real out of shape. I have a terrible reference point because my 20s I was 200 pounds. I'm 5'6 and then I got in really good shape all throughout my 30s got down to like 145 really felt good and now as I'm in my 30s. Got down to like 145, really felt good. And now as I'm in my 40s have been fine,

I got the two little kids. So the workouts are a little shittier. The diet is not as good. And I am just, I don't know, I'm struggling a little bit. I put on a few, but anyway, I know you are heavily involved in Gatlin Health, right? Which focuses on men's health. And I feel like a 45-year-old chubby Italian dude is a perfect client for your company.

Sounds like you need EV medication. Yes, I do. Yes. Please help. Send help. So, you know, yeah, we started this company that we started. We're about to launch in January. We started sort of soft launched.

And right now we're just sort of getting all the bugs worked out, but it's a telemedicine company, really like along the lines of Hymns and Roman. But you know, it's one of those things that do I want to be the face of testosterone replacement therapy? Right. That was my biggest question because I, truthfully, I've been doing it now for five years. And it changed my world. I love it. Really?

See, I have a million questions. I gotta get it. Yeah, me too. Gosh. Yeah. So TRT has been like, it's one of those things that guys don't wanna talk about. There's a lot of shame around it.

It's got a stigma and we wanna de-stigmatize it and shine a light on it and make it okay because it is, you know, and it really does improve, you know, your quality of life. Because for me too, and you know, through my, through my third, my forties especially, I struggled. Yeah. And when they brought me this idea, my buddy knew that I'd been taking it, but I didn't know if I wanted to be that involved, but sorry. All right. That's how we know you're in LA. Exactly.

So yeah, it's been, so it's become, uh, a huge part of what I've been working on over the last several years now, just, you know, launching a company like this, a big deal, all the FDA compliance stuff. Sure. All of the, you know, it's a medical company. Um, but I truly believe that we're gonna be able to change a lot of dudes lives we're gonna offer TRT we offer these longevity stacks which include like metformin rapamycin all these things that sort of

slow the effects of aging and then we'll do all the things that Hems and Roman do you know hair growth ED yeah I'm the face of a company that sells ED medication. Hey, we're going to get them on as one of our sponsors, Sue. What are you talking about? Every time you get a Woody, every time you get a Woody, you'll think of me, Jerry. Liz, I will say the, the video, some of the videos that you've put out though, where you're the videos that you've put out though where you're just talking. I think it's such a smart way to go because it doesn't feel like a commercial. It doesn't feel like hey here's you know Josh is trying to sell something. You put it in your own words. I think the thing that stuck out to me was you said like you know you're still a kid at heart and that guy that kid's in there you just

got to help unlock them and I do I think that helps with destigmatizing. So it hits. And I think of that, thank you. I think there's a lot of guys out there who are feeling it, but they don't really know. I mean, you can actually remedy it. That's the thing is we don't have to get old, at an earlier age than we need to.

You can be athletic and strong and all the things that you were when you were in your 30s, well into your 60s, even 70s, if you take care of yourself. the You don't want to just lose the weight and not have a plan to go with that because then you just look like a skinny fat dude. You want to still like work out. You want to retain that muscle mass. And you know, you want your wife to still want you, man. You know? I got a wife who's quite a bit younger than me and that's a big reason I'm doing it.

Good for you. So she doesn't kick me out of the bedroom. Listen, Josh, you're the best. Good luck with the movie in January. Yeah, thanks for joining us, buddy. It's good to see you, man. Later, dudes. Later, man. Thanks for having me. All right, it's time for Money Moments presented by our good friends over at Cash App. Sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store. That's money, that's Cash App.

I feel like I'm gonna be using them a lot this Christmas season, but we're looking for our money moment now, Matt. What is the throwback money moment this week? Well, it's a quarterback, and we just talked to Josh about sort of quarterbacks getting a second chance, whether it's going to a new franchise or maybe backing up and then getting another opportunity.

And then what do you do with that opportunity, right? That's kind of what life is about. Bryce Young, to me, is my money moment. And this kid, honestly, like we might have talked about on the pod was down and out six weeks ago. Like we were just like, is he gonna get traded? What's gonna happen?

Is he a bust? Like all of a sudden, I've lived it. Like all of a sudden you start getting labeled with that. This dude, and I pulled this up because it was pretty fascinating, right? He gets benched for Andy Dalton, not playing well. And then Bryce Young gets back and the last four games, five touchdowns a pick, almost 900 yards passing.

He's led his team to a game-tiner, game-winning drive in all four games and for the five starts. Third highest graded passing quarterback since week nine. And this was a kid who literally, you watched him on the sideline and you looked like someone just died in his, like it was just sad, right? So proud of him, I'm proud of just kind of taking the month

to kind of sit back and then all of a sudden, hey, when you get another opportunity, go ball, go let it rip, who gives a shit, right? And that's what he's doing. And now he's got a chance to be the guy next year. Maybe he's got a chance to be the guy next year. Maybe he's got a chance to go somewhere else and compete. So that's my money moment, man. He's been balling. I'm with you. That is such a money moment because you even saw a little bit with Anthony Richardson.

Is this now a thing that we didn't used to see, but we're going to see more of where, hey, sit for like a few weeks and let's see if we can get this back. It's so smart when you think about it. Well, the problem is, is, and we, when we had Kurt Warner on the same thing, it's like these kids just get, they get drafted and they're expected to play week one and they're just not ready. Most of them aren't ready. And I mean, look at Caleb, Caleb's playing well, Jane, like, like, but then you still go through growing pains, right? And it also depends on where you play. So it's like, sometimes it's good to go in and just learn

and back up and take the mental reps and just learn the game and learn the week-to-week preparation, understand how it all works. And then when you do get the chance to play, like you have all the talent, then you go play. And like, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn lot of these a lot of these high drafts get thrust into a situation where it's just like did you're doomed for failure so for him to come back and ball and just take advantage of this last month is it's

awesome man. This got me thinking we're gonna do some fun awards that are more so sports awards but with Hollywood and acting. Cause I started thinking, all right, who's a great comeback story like Bryce Young in Hollywood? There's no one currently that I could think about where it's happening, but just some in the past that stuck out to me, Travolta. Travolta was, I'm not gonna say down and out

cause he had a lot of success early, but then he hit this wall and then Tarantino with Pulp Fiction revitalizes him. Downey Jr. certainly, again, amazing actor, had a lot of success young, it just wasn't working out. And then Iron Man, that's probably the greatest comeback in the history of Hollywood. And now he's going back into the Marvel Universe. But yeah, it's just a good story. You like to see, I guess the risk is if Bryce comes back and it looks even worse, then you're like, all right, well, I guess as an organization,

then you kind of know what you might have to do. But now I think it makes the Carolina situation really interesting going into the draft. Well, that's what I was gonna say. It actually makes it more challenging for them because now it's like, hey, this kid maybe just needed to like a step back, kind of reset. And now all of a sudden you can see the potential

and you can see why they drafted him that high. But then do you, you know, do you, do you pass on maybe? And I just say that for this draft, you know, I think Chidor is, is the number one and there's a lot of quarterback needy teams at the top. Two of them in New York. Yeah. As you know, the Raiders are up there, maybe the Saints like a Carolina, Carolina, are they, or maybe maybe maybe they like him enough and they may be bringing the vet to compete but then they go get a really good player like like they're gonna it almost puts them in a little conundrum but I'm but you know what good for good

for Bryce like that's what you're supposed to do make it to make it difficult on the organization so I'm happy for him man he does shout out to Cash App and my money moment already look is now for next year. I already have it. It's the NFL draft because there's there's good quarterbacks, not sure fire ones and a lot of teams that need quarterbacks. There's a lot of action in that in the draft. By the way, just real quick, real quick, real quick. How do we just how do we feel about Danny Dimes just being gone? We talked about this for a long you've been with him now for what, four or five years?

And he's just gone. He's just gone. We teased Duhamel that that was our Christmas present to him, but I'm not gonna lie. You haven't lost it. It's like wiped from my brain. Because it's so many other problems with the Giants. There's so many other problems.

I don't know if our coach is staying, if our GM is staying. I don't know if our coach is staying, if our GM is staying. I don't know if Dexter Lawrence is gonna start complaining about wanting out. Neighbors has been unshakable in media, and finally with Daniel Jones, lost it a little bit, but more so with Dable, like why am I not getting the ball? So there's so many other things.

Daniel Jones has already been wiped from my memory, and I have zero doubt he's gonna turn up somewhere next year, maybe New Orleans, maybe Oakland, who the hell knows, with a little O'Connell in his life and he might be good, who knows? I was gonna say like Saquon just having, we always knew Saquon was good, right? Right, but Darnold is the best example,

like the Jets cut bait and now Darnold's great. But Jones goes and like wherever he ends up and he balls or he's like, I mean how pissed are the Giants? It's going to be hilarious. You know what's going to happen. If the NFL is for sure going to happen. That's what's going to happen.

Oh man. All right. Well, yeah, again, shout outs to Cash App. Appreciate you. And now it's time for our throwback three, our best brawls. We did talk a lot about Malice in the Palace last week, so we're going to leave that one out. It's probably number one all the time.

Of course, yeah. Yeah, it changed the course of sports in a lot of ways. So we're going to go a little off the menu on that level. But what do you got, man? Okay, so this was interesting because there were some that I remember and then there's some that I was, I got to be honest with you, I was just online. I was just like, oh my god, that was great, oh I remember this, oh this was awesome. So this could easily be number one for me and, but it's number three, is Orioles Yankees 1988. Oh 1988! Yeah, am I wrong, am I wrong on the year, 88 or 98? I don't know which one you're,

which one, I'm going Benitez. Yeah, that's 98. Okay, 98. My bad. My bad. That was a typo. Okay. So the reason why I love this is because the end is like when Strawberry just comes in and Darryl was one of my favorite players growing up and he was one of the very few players that got his autograph.

I think when he was with the Mets. Anyways, Benitez, I wrote some notes on this because I was like, okay, so Yankees first, Orioles last place. Umpires, I don't even remember this, umpires before the game called this and said, there's going to be a brawl, there's something brewing, get ready, because they were ready to toss everybody out. Benitez gives up a home run to Bernie Williams, right? Then Tino Martinez comes up and he just shoves it right up his back, fastball. Then all of a sudden, brawl comes out, then the two pitchers from the Yankees bullpen come in and start trying to get to Benitez.

The best part of it, I just teased it with strawberries, all of a sudden things are kind of calmed down and they're right by the dugout. And then you just see freakingin' Darrell Strawberry flying in with a left haymaker and knock Benitez out. It was the greatest no-look punch I've ever seen. Total, honestly, total cheap shot, but it was awesome. So that's my number three, man. I mean, baseball brawls are the best.

And that one, too, if you want to really relive it, and I know I referenced the Jeter doc, the captain over and over on the show, but you hear Strawberry talk about it. And I think to this day, if he can get his hands on Benitez, he would. Oh, yeah. Everybody listening, just go on YouTube,

just pull it up because he just cold clocks him right at the end. I got it nowhere. Go rewatch, you know what up because he just cold clocks him right at the end. I got it nowhere. Go rewatch, you know what? Go rewatch the whole thing. Go Google, yeah, YouTube it, watch the whole thing because that's what Strawberry said.

I was down a rabbit hole this week, dude. I was down a rabbit hole. Strawberry said, he said, if Tory didn't pull me off, we'd still be in the dugout fighting. And you see him like run around the whole brawl and just make a beeline. Yeah, that was good. All right So mine is gonna be a little homery because it just is what it is But I was at this one. I was in the building and I was sitting courtside. So it wasn't Nick's game

Nick's nuggets before Mello was a Nick. He was a he was on the nuggets. I was sitting George Carl, right? I was sitting next to Fat Joe, and I forget who else. The Curse of the Yankees. You know my superhero ability is I could tell you when a fight's going to happen 30 seconds before. I think I was with my brother. I leaned over to him.

I said, some bad shit's going to happen. Isaiah Thomas was the Knicks coach. Nuggets were up by 40. JR Smith on fast breaks is doing olly-oop to himself, double pump dunks. They're just running up the score. Isaiah Thomas, you see it, he goes over to Marty Collins, who's the 12th man on the bench,

whispers something to him and sends him in the game. J.R. Smith gets on another breakaway and then boom, he hits him. They start out, then Nate Robinson, little 5'9", Nate Robinson comes and tackles JR Smith into the first row. Now I already backed away, but our whole row started moving away from the fight. And then Marty, and then Jared Jeffries is going over there to try to break it and Mello from behind, might be all time biggest sucker punch ever, Just turns around, just whack, overhand rights him.

Jefferies took it well, but that was a real, and that was like a regular season game in February. Didn't mean nothing, and I was there for it. So that one, I have to play. To be there for a fight like that has gotta be awesome. Again, that's how I know what mouse in the palace. I was already telling my brother, like, we should get the fuck out.

We should get out of here. We need to go. We need to go. This is gonna get bad Alright, I'm staying I'm staying baseball One of my favorite players growing up and I don't know if you saw the doc of the Nolan Ryan doc. Oh, yeah You see that? absolutely actually kind of just like talk like like Not a ton of personality in that doc, but it just made you love him more. He's just like, the dude was all business. So obviously I'm going Robin Ventura, Nolan Ryan.

And like the brawl broke out. It was really mainly those two guys, 1993. The cool thing about this was Ryan was 45 or 46 years old. So he was your age, dude. Think about that. And Robin was 25 or 26. Obviously hits him and Ventura takes a couple steps and just charges.

And I love, I love like, I love when big ass pitchers are just like, bring it on, let's go. Like, let's go, like let's rumble. He gets Ventura in a headlock and just starts throwing upper cuts, like three or four upper cuts. And then like, honestly, I think it kind of like died out soon after,

but just like watching that doc made me love Nolan Ryan, cause he was like part of my, I was a pitcher growing up, so it was like baseball was my favorite sport and he was one of my favorite players. But for him to do that at 46 years old and just like, honestly, just not give a fuck and just say like, dude, come at me. It's gotta be the best feeling dude on the mound. Just knowing that you're going to throw out a guy and he's coming at you and let's

go, like let's go one on one. Also, you gotta think for Robin Ventura. Maybe that's why we don't see him on tons of podcasts. Like that's such a rough look. It's a terrible look, dude. Honestly, charge out there. You're the young guy. You go like up against the left. First of all, like you're charging a guy. I mean still a great athlete. Definitely up there in years. I'm sure he hates talking about that. No one Ryan's like six four like it was like six five like two feet like he's like this fucking no one Ryan.

And he just just big text dude. Just big text. Just just uppercase the I didn't know Ryan punch like a four like they imagine Like that's how I if I got forbid had to get into a fight I'd like go for that headlock usually like when they truck when they charge the mound It's like, you know, maybe they'll wrestle a little bit and like someone gets thrown the ground and then it's like, you know Like it's chaos and it's over like this was one where he was just getting shots in before everything came was freaking awesome My number two I'm gonna go into the boxing world for a moment now There's quite a few you could choose from that involved Mike Tyson a little bit But it was Mike Tyson Andrew Galata if you have not seen that fight ladies and gentlemen listening to throwbacks right now

Go check it out. I there was some warnings and disqualifications. Tyson basically, there's a very famous photo of Tyson flexing and the other like from behind overhead and the other side of the photo was like 40 cops and people from Galatas camp just looking like like terrified. Someone got hit in the head with a walkie talkie. It was complete and utter mayhem. And that's where one of those moments where you believed with Tyson like, all right, this dude is just about destruction. So I had to go in the boxing world.

I want to point out, I don't know if you're going to hockey for your number one. I am. I know. Okay, good. Because there's about a thousand and I didn't go that route because you could fight in hockey, which is always bad. But it's always like the one sport where you're carrying around a weapon

and that's the sport where you're allowed to fight. By the way, you're allowed to fight. So, but hockey's got a lot. I have no idea where you're going with number one. I would say like, there was a lot of kind of cool like NASCAR fights that are kind of like crazy and like underrated. I had Lakers Celtics back when McHale closed line Rambis,

which really didn't end up in a brawl, but it was like Larry Bird was talking shit in the paper before that game. That was one, I don't know if you're going there. So I am going Red Wings Avalanche in 97. So I was 14 years old and I was, at about 10 years old, I was a diehard hockey fan. So baseball, this, but like, I loved the LA Kings.

That's how my love came for the Kings. Like I think in 93 or 94 is when they made the cup run against the Canadians and they lost. So I was just like, I was a big hockey fan in the 90s. And I just watched this, it might've been a 30 for 30 or a doc, but it was on this whole fight.

And I remember watching, I think last year I was like, holy, like this is the greatest brawl in the history of sport. So it started in 96 when Claude Lemieux just laid out Draper and broke his face like, right? Like, and Claude Lemieux like, and really started this rivalry because they ended up playing each other in the playoffs, all this kind of stuff. Game six, 96 Western Conference Finals, he did that. And then in 97 in March, it was kind of like this lead up, they were playing each other and you just knew, right?

Like when the guys talk about it on the dock, you're like, we knew something was gonna happen and we're gonna be ready. So, I think, I don't know how, like Lemieux, whatever, they're starting to fight and McCarty, I think, I don't know how, like Lemieux, whatever, they're starting to fight and McCarty just comes out of nowhere and just absolutely just decks him. The best part about it was the goalies,

Patrick Law and Vernon. It was like, remember that? The hockey, like hockey fights are great because a lot of them are premeditated. Like, have you ever talked to a hockey guy? Oh, they know, you know. They're like, hey, you want to get into it? Like, you ready? And then they'll just like start throwing and it's awesome, they're like, hey, you want to get into it? Like you ready?

And then they'll just like start throwing and it's awesome, right? Like people love it. This thing, you just knew it was like goalies, defensemen. Like it was like, you better keep your head on a swivel and Wa versus Mike Vernon, I think. Yeah, Vernon. Just like just beeline for each other.

Like that goalies and everyone's just throwing haymakers dude. It's like, it's the greatest like sports melee outside of Malice and the Palace. In my opinion, that was like, it's just like, and also like, I just think hockey fights are the best. So that's my number one, man. Like that fight was incredible.

And then just goalies just like, fuck it, man. We're all dropping gloves and we're going. Yeah, the hockey, we could do a whole separate one. I mean the hockey, there's millions of them. So I'm curious to see where you go with this. I was leaning potentially 03 Yankees Red Sox brawl, that's the one where Zimmer gets thrown to the, only because that, I think that sparked the Yankee win, but then in 04, the combat, like the, you know, the A-Rod Veritek fight, that sparked it the other way.

So I only want to touch that because I think ultimately the Red Sox won that, those two brawls because it led to crazy, you know, crazy run for the Sox. So my number one, going back to the Garden, it's Knicks Miami Heat, 1998, with a game with Zoe and Larry Johnson squared off, and it ends up with Jeff Van Gundy hanging from Alonzo Mourning's leg. It's such a great clip. It's a great clip, it's a great game.

The game was already in hand, but another one of those where you felt it happening, remember, Larry Johnson and Zoe played together in Charlotte. They were teammates on the Hornets. So, you know, you thought there would have been some love there. That's two big old dudes. I know. But Zo, I mean, Larry Johnson was jacked. I mean, Zo was, yeah, Zo was that, but like five inches bigger. So, but that brawl was unbelievable. And obviously the Knicks going around. But what used to suck is like the Knicks were

the first team. I want to say, I think it was a different Miami Heat series with a brawl years before where players, you know, that's where like the leave the bench thing and you get suspended came from. And the Knicks were heavily penalized and ended up losing a series, not 98, a different year where you guys just left the bench and then they got suspended for like game five, the deciding game. So, but yeah, that one, one because then you know, the Knicks go on a pretty good run after that. So, you know, it's a great basketball. That's great. I looked up was remember when Shaq went after Barkley? And I didn't like there my dick Barkley's mom called Shaq at halftime or something like you to stop fighting.

It was just funny because now they're like, you know, they're on the show and they're best friends. That came up on, and I watched it and it was like, I think Barkley threw the ball at him or something. And then Shaq just, and then they're both on the ground wrestling. Like talk about two, like Charles is, Charles is about six, five, but Charles is a massive human being.

I'll tell you who should have started a brawl with Shaq, even though he might've lost that too. I think one of the most savage posterization, disrespectful, get dunking on someone was Shaq dunking on former Nick Chris Dudley. I don't know if you remember this clip. Go Google it if you don't remember. You'll recognize me. See he dunks and then swings his leg and and just like embarrassed to the point where Dudley just picked up the ball and threw it at Shaq but didn't want to fight.

By the way, that's a great throwback. Best posterized throwback for all time. One of them's got to be Vince Carter, but we should do that. Well, he's got to be, yeah. That's a good one. That made me think of Andrew Bynum dunking on Shaq. A young Andrew Bynum dunking on an older Shaq. They were kind of talking shit, you know, because he was the next center. There's a lot of good under the radar ones. There's a lot talking shit, you know, cause he was the next center. There's a lot of good under the radar ones.

There's a lot of better ones than that, but that was, yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool. And you don't see that at all. I mean, Anthony Edwards catches a lot of bodies, so. He does. All right. Oh, man. Listen, everyone listening, watching,

like send us your best brawls, man. Tag us at Throwback Show because- And yeah, send us, don't be afraid. Send the hockey ones, don't be afraid. We didn't ignore it. Matt picked it as his number one. And I forgot to point out earlier, follow us at throwback show. Subscribe to us on YouTube throwback show. We do respond to you. No other show does. We do it. That's a good one. On to Christmas event number two of 15. Stay strong, brother. Stay strong.