Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - NBA Finals preview, a Night with the Savannah Bananas & Max Greenfield Talks Tom Thibodeau

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Turns out getting the Knicks to the conference finals for the first time in 25 years just wasn’t quite good enough for Tom Thibodeau!  On the latest edition of Throwbacks, Jerry brings former New Girl star and fellow Knicks diehard Max Greenfield back on to talk through their feelings on the team’s surprise move to fire Tom Thibodeau.  Then, Matt relives his amazing night throwing out the first pitch for the Savannah Bananas and releases some nervous energy over his upcoming participation in Good Good Golf’s Lonestar Shootout.    The guys also get you ready for the start of the NBA Finals and encourage fans not to be turned off by the matchup simply because these teams play in small markets.  Matt and Jerry also pay homage to the NBA on TNT and, in honor of “Inside the NBA,” list some of their all-time favorite sports TV shows.    Finally, Jerry wonders if he's ever been on a show or movie as bad as what the Colorado Rockies are to baseball this season and in our mailbag, we answer a question about having a meltdown on the field for all to see.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Find your new favorite Frosty Fusions™ flavor today with choices like OREO® Brownie, Caramel Crunch, and Pop-Tarts® Strawberry.  https://m-wendys.app.link/frostyswirl25  Zip Recruiter  Try FOR FREE at http://Ziprecruiter.com/Throwbacks  Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I know we don't want to spend too much time on the Knicks. We can. Recap the season in 30 seconds for you. The season was fucking awesome. You could be a little disappointed because we were right there. The fact that some Knicks fans now also want to fire Tibbs, it's up everybody? We taped a really, really great podcast and you're going to hear most of it shortly, but we did sort of wrap up the Knicks season and the future and how we felt about the Knicks,

especially me. Only to find out right after we wrapped, as I was picking my kids up from school, that the Knicks fired Tom Tippadelle. Obviously, that wasn't going to work. And Matt's already on a plane for reasons why you'll hear later. So we had to fix that. And also I had to get some therapy out. And I thought, who is the person I call?

Who's my break in case of emergency? Nick's friend, where I work out all my feelings. Max Greenfield, friend of the show, awesome actor, best friend in real life. So Max is going to come on right now and we are going to hash out how we feel about the Knicks firing coach Tom Thibodeau. All right, Max I Just did Probably like 40% of an episode where I talked about the Knicks future and how bright it was and how it was such a great Season and there's no way Tibbs is going anywhere and then Shams messed up our whole day I'm a little devastated and shook and you're my go-to

our whole day. I'm a little devastated and shook and you're my go-to emotionally for this stuff. Where are you at mentally right now? You texted me. I had to pull over the car. I got so scared. This is what you texted me. Whenever you do this, I get back. I get very nervous. I have no idea what's happening you you just texted omg is it question mark and i just went let me go to esvn because if there was if there's not like a big red marker that says breaking news then something like really bad just right right rather than have an opinion on the decision itself. I just think about Tom Thibodeau as like a guy and a coach and he I'll

never forget there was a. It was like when the Knicks were on that sort of Derrick Rose tour, you remember? Yes, early Julius Randall. Yeah. And they went to Chicago where there was it was obviously like a big celebration. And the press conference afterwards, Tibbitt was up there and he's doing his usual thing, even though it's like this emotional sort of, yeah, yeah, the last combination of Derek Rose's career and he's just sort of like, you know, very, very blunt with his answers. And at some point during the press conference, Yoki Noah comes in and disrupts the conference. like his wedding or something or it was a very personal joke that was very inside that nobody understood and he came like Noah came in a little bit hot and Tibbs for a second had to like figure out what exactly was going on. He cracks a smile which cracks Noah. Noah comes up to the, to like, you know, the table, whatever,

Dib stands up and they give each other a hug. That was like out of a movie. Like, ah, this is like, this is my coach and they love a history and we love each other. And from that point forward, you know, I mean, like, look, the, the, the complaints about. Tom Tibbetts coaching are not like, you know, secrets. I've honored quite a few times and texted you quite a few times this playoff run, like fucking Tibbs, man, what is he doing?

And I don't know shit either about basketball. I know, but I don't know. Right. So I don't know anything. But when I saw that moment, it really was like for me, I thought from this point forward, I don't care whatever I think or anybody else thinks, I'm with this guy. Let's play a little game. Okay. If we were journalists and Leon Rose said, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get you go. Now he gets on classes. Now I'm a journalist.

Leon Rose has granted me and you an interview. Just two of us. We're gonna sit down for five minutes. We get one question each. Do you want me to go first? And you have a minute to think, cause I know what I would ask him. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Hey, Leon, sir, Jerry Ferraro from throwbacks. Was anything short of the finals always going to be this result? Meaning like, because what I feel like with that question, you can imply, yes, on the outside world, it looks like chemistry was high, teams playing well, but was this finals or bust and we didn't even know it because of the moves? It was so quick, Max.

So that's what I would ask Leon Rose. I would say, you know, if they lost to the Celtics, this was probably going to happen. Was this or was it something that happened in a Pacers series that you really said, fuck, this has got to end now? That would be my question to Leon Rose. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's, it makes me worry too, because you know, it felt like all year long, we date with the town's trade, they assembled this new team, and they were figuring each other out and and what the

lineups were and what the chemistry was and there was times where the Brunson towns thing looked unstoppable and there was times where it felt like they completely went away from it. And then Brunson gets injured for a while and then all of a sudden the team looks like a totally different team but Riggs gets unlocked. Riggs is playing great and OG scoring 30 a game. And you're like, Whoa, there's a lot here.

Um, but it also felt like for me, at least I was like, this is a great starting point, I think we're a year away and there was Boston looming out there who I thought, well, we'll never be. We're not going to beat Boston. out there who I thought, well, we'll never be. We're not gonna beat Boston. And so we go into the playoffs and I thought, just don't lose to Detroit. Meet Detroit.

That's where I was there with you. I was like, let's just beat Detroit and then we'll get to Boston. And you know, that's what's, that's expected. And then just put up a fight, man. Put up a fight. Whatever you do against Boston Just don't die quietly and then all of a sudden the Knicks beat Boston and I think it really

And I don't know I don't I think what the question that you asked makes me think about How Did expectations shift as a result of how the playoffs went? That's the question I'm asking. Basically essentially it's like, well, cause also this is something that liner and I talked about on the show today, which we don't have to cut because of this firing was it certainly does feel like the dawn of a new day in the NBA where we went from super teams and big three to all right maybe you could do like a superstar one and 1a and some

role players and that's worked like for the Nuggets and that's worked for the Celtics to a degree and now I feel like we're entering this I mean look at the Thunder and the Pacers we're entering this you got to kind of be ten deep now if you really want to last these three grueling rounds to get to the finals and go. Obviously the Pacers were built for that. I just still wonder, obviously, it's just so hard to know what the expectations were, like you said, because I also don't think you make this move

without firmly knowing who your coach is going to be coming off this firing. And I don't think you make this move without Max, you and I, we've talked, I feel like we've almost talked about this before. You and I have been in the entertainment business for almost 30 years at this point. We're not always involved in the big decisions, but like, you know what's kind of happening if it is, right? Like, if they were going to remove your show runner or a producer or another app, you might

not get a say, but you might know maybe, I'm saying you don't make this move unless you know who the coach is, and do you do this move without saying the Brunson and Kat and Hart and like, hey, we're gonna move on from Tibbs. Not saying we want your opinion, but maybe just give them a chance to die on the sword and maybe no one did. Pure conjecture and speculation, but like, you could be, if you're firing Tibbs, you have to end up with the guy that you have either always wanted or have been flirting with for quite some time. Fair? Come on, bro, who are we gonna end up with? If Johnny, if Johnny, alright, well let's go down through it. Can I just give you, can I give you a... Bring me back. I'm gonna bring you back. Please do. I'm not suggesting this as

our, as the next coach of the Knicks. Oh, no, but remember Mark Jackson has sure credible run with gold eight. And yes, loses his job. Everybody's like, wait, what? And then Steve Kerr comes in and Steve Kerr wins what 11 championships? Yeah, just has has, yeah. One of the best runs ever. Becomes the Olympic coach and is like, you know, now, but so I do think that's a possibility. Realistically, to me, and again, I know nothing. I'm just looking, cause I watch every game.

The only candidates I could imagine that you fire Tibbs who knocked on the door this year is obviously the Mike Malone stuff is super interesting champion, but offense heavy. I mean, we, the fun rumors like Jeff Van Gundy, but him and Tibbs are kind of like boys. Like what do you, what do you do? Would he take? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know. And if Van Gundy wants to head coach again, I don't know. Then obviously the fun one is J. Wright, because of the Villanova thing.

We'll go full Villanova. Those to me are like the three realistic ones. Then there's the ugly side of Twitter is like, Spolster is gonna leave Miami. Okay, that's interesting. Per is gonna leave Golden State, it's never happening. And then there's the wacky MetaWorldPiece puts his name in a hat, Rick Petino.

I gotta imagine it's one of those three guys that I just mentioned, no? And then lastly, sorry, I cannot forget, Johnny Bryant, who was with the Knicks and is like a finalist. I think for the son's job is a very, very good coach. Loved him when he was in New York. Do you fire Tibbs and hire a first year coach?

So I just hit you with a lot. Oh, I'm going to read what I texted you. I'm going to read what I texted you. If they announce John Stamos as the new coach, this means Yannis is coming. We haven't even crossed the cat bridge yet. If the new coach or the assistant coach has the last name Anto Ntukupo. I think I know where this is going. Nick signed finesse on the Tocumbo as a, as to the Westchester Knicks. Yeah. Look, I mean, truly if, if that's a, if that's a real possibility, that then

trumps whatever relationship you have with Tibbs and. Right. If you think that's gonna make, if you think that puts you in a better position or if there's some world where you know that puts you in a pole position to get Giannis, you make the move. Okay. Right.

It was interesting that the Athletic seemingly had an article written for like the last two weeks that they were just waiting for the next season to end. They will change the date and launch it. That's always a sign that, you know, either there was things going on long before this or there's a coaching change about to happen and they're getting out in front of the narrative. This did feel like parting shots for me. It did feel like the cat trade emotionally,

where it's like you get a little excited because you know, maybe it is Spolstra, maybe it is Mike Malone. That could be an exciting outcome. Like getting cat, that's exciting. But the sadness of not finishing what you started, similarly with Randall and Dee Vincenzo, and now a coach Tibbs, but if you look at the history,

every time this has happened and you feel that way as a Nick fan, they have upgraded that next year. Right. That has brought them to another level. And I'll say this, you know, because I feel the same way. It's really hard to digest these things. It's sad. It's sad.

When RJ Barracad texted up and traded, I was like, what? Look what I'm wearing, bro. I'm wearing an obi top and Nick shirt out of honor and respect. I was sort of like, I mean, I just really wrap my head around RJ being the future of this franchise But this idea of like Having this core group Together especially as these players ascend and become financially or are worth financially what financially or are worth financially what, uh, the new cap or what I understand how any of this, yeah,

but the math of it is so insane. Like I'm not sure that these homegrown teams, these groups that started together like the Jalen Browns and Jason Tatum. So we'll see what happens with that but like you know, I don't know that that's necessarily a Realistic possibility anymore in the end. You're right. You're absolutely right there's a version where Leon Rose and those guys are like would we we have we are and have been aware of The direction this league is going. And it's a year to year league. And we need to sort of adjust and make moves based on that.

And you know, I'll end with this and we'll let you go. I did say at some point to the liner today, in terms of the season being a success, it is. This team has always felt like it was built to beat Boston. And they did. I don't think anyone built the team to beat the Pacers. You know, I don't think that was on the agenda. And now that is part and now it looks like the Celtics might be taking a year off. Who knows? I'm sure they'll fight through it and be competitive. The East is ripe for the picking and maybe they just see a real opportunity to solidify the Knicks as the perennial number one, two seed at Eastern Conference finals.

Now will be a failure if it's only that. Five, six years ago, we were like... And now we're realistically talking about, you know, the Eastern Conference finals as a bust. As a bust, right. We're not used to this, which is also part of the problem. No, this is all, I mean, look, this is all great. This is all, like, the Knicks are in a wonderful position, and as a fan base, we get to experience the potential of this team for the for the foreseeable future at least. I mean, certainly next year.

This is why you're my breaking case of emergency Nick fan bestie because how we usually end most of our calls is on a high note. I feel like we're leaving on a high. I feel like we just went through therapy and it's out and I now I do feel ready to move on now. The Knicks made the Eastern Conference Finals and we end and very winnable series as well. We had an awful first game. It was a very winnable series. I don't walk, walk into next season gone. You just got to beat the Pacers. I think it's, you know, I think they're a great team, but they're one of a very few great teams in the East.

Tell Tess I said hello and I enjoyed, I enjoyed seeing you stressing. It made me feel good knowing there was someone else out there that well that also had to just Do things to deal with the stress? So I appreciated those posts It was it was that the the it's the playoffs were a long road Every Every game took too too much out of me Keep Ozzy away from the Knicks, bro. Keep away from the Knicks. He's all Lakers, man. Good. Well, that's fine. Don't pass on your trauma to your children of being a Knicks fan.

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You know what I would like to move on to, because to me, this is my favorite social media clip of the week. And it also involves something I'm new to that you put me onto. You went and messed around with some Savannah bananas action. How does that come to you by the way? And maybe tell the audience a little bit so what the bananas even are.

Cause I was new to it and now I'm all about it. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised. Yeah. I mean, if your boy, they came across social media years ago. I think it was like they started like 2016 in there in a league. And they just they were they've just became a phenomenon slowly, but surely, but you would always see them on social dancing, singing, playing baseball. Everyone was kind of like, eh, like who are these guys? And it just caught fire, obviously. And fast forward about eight, nine years later,

this is like a traveling, I actually talked to, I talked to the guys about this. It's not necessarily Harlem Globe Trotter-esque. They have the trick plays, they have this kind of show, right, it's entertainment, but the game itself is not scripted at all So the game playing a real game with their rules that are different, but they're playing a real game They're trying to get each other out the band bananas don't win every game at all. Like it's not it's not like that

It's just this it's made up of a lot of former baseball players former D1 D2 some minor leers, really good high school players that are great on social media, can entertain fans, but also can play baseball. And they have these insane tryouts and all that. And as of the last year or so, they've traveled around the country.

They've sold out baseball stadiums. They've even sold out Clemson. I believe better attendance than I believe this weekend. I believe this weekend or next weekend. They're, they're out in Charlotte for Carolina Panthers. So they sold out Carolina Panthers stadium. Geez. Yeah, man. And they're just in there. And so how I got involved was my boys, my boys love their Instagram page. Cause they just, it's just a bunch of, you know, like I'm sure you're like, they're into their songs, right?

They love these songs and they see these baseball players dancing, my boys play baseball. So they just, they just have fell in love with that. So sometimes like a couple nights a week before bed, instead of reading all that, we'll watch some Savannah, Savannah banana video. So my casings like got socks and all this stuff. So they were coming out to Anaheim, right?

And they had, they don't come out to the West coast very often, if at all. I think they've been to Utah. I hit up one of the guys on Instagram. I was just like, hey. Slid into some DMs. No shame, bro. No shame.

And I was like, and I was like, you know, I'm like, I'll buy tickets, whatever. It's just like online. You couldn't find them because they do a lottery. So they do a pure lottery. You have to sign into the lottery and then you get, I think it's $40 a ticket. So they charge hardly anything, but you could sit in the nosebleeds or you could sit first row. So it's a pure lottery. So online they were like being resold or sold for like $700. I'm like, dude, I'm not going to spend like that's great.

I hate that they even do that. Yeah, these are just, yeah, whatever. So I hit one of the guys up, um, Jackson Olson, one of their biggest, one of their biggest stars and, uh, couldn't have been more awesome. Yeah, dude, take care of you. Blah, blah, blah. So like we're, we're messaging for a couple of weeks. I get in touch with their PR guy, um, who also does a lot of their sideline

reporting stuff. Good dude. And long story short, we ended up going to batting practice the day before at Angel Stadium, just shooting the shit on the field. All of them, Cole came, my other boys, they're running on the field. Cole's getting tips on how these trick plays,

who by the way, these guys are unbelievable athletes. Like the shit they're doing between their legs, the flips with the baseball, like it has the globetrotter feel and just getting guys out at first like real baseball players who have a crazy skill set. So Cole's out there, the boys are hitting BP, they're getting chased around, like it just it was so awesome man because I've been on the other side as an athlete when kids come out and you take like they know exactly who they are and the meaning behind Savannah bananas. And the kids will remember it for.

Oh dude. So that's BP. And then Jesse who runs the show, who's always in the yellow tux, right? He goes, Hey dude, what do you think about throwing the first pitch tomorrow night? And I go, I'll do whatever you need me to do. I mean, you guys are taking care of us, whatever you need. So his whole thing was like a baseball, then change it to a football. So that's what I was going to ask you. Was that your, that was that their idea? Because I thought that was genius. Go watch it on

social if you haven't yet. That was his idea. Um, and so I'm like, cool. So then I'm just fired up, dude, because I know like, and they're like, dude, you guys can hang in the dugout. I'm like, really? They're like, yeah, just hang in the dugout. Whatever you want to do during the game. So I throw the first pitch. I was a little nervous. I was more nervous about like, I just want to,

I wanted to throw a strike because in there, in banana ball, that first pitch counts as a ball or a strike. Which by the way, that is a great, great wrinkle. Some of their rules need to be adopted by the MLB. Yeah, they should actually run the M they should elect that guy as a commissioner. Oh yeah. Well, I want to get Jesse on because he's a fascinating guy and just his story of how he's grown. It's unbelievable. Anyways, throw the first pitch, strike, high five it. And then dude, I'm in, I'm in the dugout probably for six of the nine innings with Cole. The little ones ended up going back up to the seats.

And I'm just in there, I'm just thinking like they're putting on a show, like they're interacting with me and like they're just like, some of them were football guys growing up. So like I'm at that age where some of them like watch me when they were like 12, you know, like they're like, dude, I remember USC, which also makes me feel old. But it was cool, dude. And I will say this to everybody that's listening to this. If you get it, even if you don't like baseball, even your boys, if they ever come to Cleveland,

it is a pure, it's a spectacle to see in person. The clips don't do it justice, right? The clips are like TikTok dances and little skits and all of this stuff that they do and they do a great job of that. In person, and even if you watch it on TV, because sometimes it's on TV, in person, you have to go. It's like one of those sporting events

where you just have to go in person to see it. You would love it even if you knew nothing about it. So shout out to Savannah Bananas, Jesse, the whole crew for taking care of us, the hospitality, honestly, an experience for me, I'll never forget. And for an honestly, the one who had the most, the most fun coal coal coal coal was like dead. Good for an 18 year old. It was great. Cole was social media. Yeah. And he befriended some of the guys and all that. And they're like following each other. They all follow each other on Instagram now.

And so he was so happy. But the last thing I'll say, he goes, dad, if football doesn't work out, I think I could be on the bananas. But I think I could bring like a football element to banana. Like, and I'm like, and some of the guys are like, hey, we don't have that. So anyway.

Well, I got two follow ups. When they switch it from a baseball, which you grew up playing, to a football, are you grew up playing, to a football, are you like, okay, dope? Or are you like, man, I really wanted to throw a baseball? I probably, I would have had more confidence throwing a strike with a baseball than a football. Okay. Because I was a pitcher,

so like I was a pitcher my whole life. I still play, I play baseball all the time with my kid. Like I play catch, you know. You're loose. I'm loose. Your UCL feels okay. Yeah, football. No Tommy John over here. Football, football I throw a lot with Cole, but like on a mound throwing down to a catcher, like, you know, like I would just say this, Jerry. I would say this. And it's kind of like riding a bike, dude. Well, that's my next question.

If you don't act for a couple of years, you can kind of dive right back in and you can give us a great scene because it's just like, you just, it's just, it's ingrained. Yeah, it's ingrained. So like throwing a first pitch for me as like I've thrown a handful, like probably three or four in my life, which is pretty awesome.

Like it's more just like, yeah, don't make a fool of yourself. You know, like, and a football is different. I will say that a football is different. And it was, by the way, when I threw a strike, like, and a football is different. I would say that a football was different. And it was, by the way, when I threw a strike, I was so fired up, dude. I was about to get the crowd going. That's, I want to ask you too, like, you know what, like hoops, it's like, all right, like if you could shoot,

you could kind of the last thing to, not go, but like you could still always shoot with a quarterback though, like even if you hadn't thrown for two years, it never, it never leaves you, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, unless you got an injury or something. Unless you have a bad injury.

I could throw, yeah, I could go, and my arm still feels pretty good. So like I could go, if NFL receivers right now needed me to throw for them, like to just warm up, like to work out. I could easily do that now. I probably couldn't throw the ball more than 50 yards, but like everything else I could just, you know, like I can give him a workout, you know, like, like I throw that with Cole with some of his receivers because he needs, he had like eight receivers one day and I'm like, shit, man, let me dust off the old arm. I was taking drops because I got new hips. I was feeling good, dude. So I, last thing I'll say, Savannah bananas, go check them out. Follow

them. Honestly, get, introduce out. Follow them, honestly. Introduce your boys to them, even if they don't like baseball. I'm going to tonight, I'm going to tonight. They got T-ball tonight. Yeah, they are a true show. They couldn't have been nicer. They're awesome, man.

And I'm gonna get, I really wanna get Jesse, I wanna get a player or two. I wanna get him on, because I want, I have, I was like you, Jerry. I was in the, I had a thousand questions, like. Yeah. Like, why this? Or want I have I had I was like you Jerry I was in the I had a thousand questions like yeah like why this or when did like I was like I was fascinated I didn't even get them all answered because they're like it's just like this the weekly schedule like they have so much they do it back to back night so they play like Friday Saturday night they fly back to Savannah Savannah they all live in Savannah it's like a big

old frat house over there and they they just like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, they just go over, they practice, they practice their trick plays, they do BP, and they go over all of their dance and songs that they wanna do for the next week. So it's like every week they're just, they're hustling, man, they're grinders. It was fascinating, dude.

So I almost wore my jersey on the show. I don't wanna bring the mood down, but since we're on the topic of- We already talked about the next- No, since we're on the topic of first pitches and Andrew, I don't know if we could roll the clip, the worst pitches of all time. Jeremy Piven, my, my former co-star, uh, from Entourage, great actor. Obviously he threw out the first pitch at a Cubs game, not his first time, because he threw it about 48 feet. But I almost want to say that is way more courageous than what you did because like

we know you're going to read. We know you may not throw a strike. Maybe you're a little high, but it's going to look good. I got to imagine Piven goes into that knowing he's not gonna reach and still does it anyway, which is something I would never do. I would never, if I couldn't get the ball to home plate, I would just be like, skip. See, I don't wanna throw the first pitch out.

I'll skip it. See, I don't know. I feel like if someone asked you, I'm trying to think, because basketball you could shoot, so like if someone asked you to go out and do a three-point contest during an NBA game at halftime and your boys, yeah,, you would golf. You would do anything. Hockey. You probably wouldn't do much, right? Hockey. I wouldn't do. I would not show up to the

thing you showed up to. That's a hard pass. I'll say, Hey, can you throw? Can you throw? Can you throw? I've never seen you throw. Shooting a basketball doesn't translate into throwing. I could throw. I could throw. Am I saying I'm clocking in in the low eighties? No. I'm probably coasting one about 65 miles an hour. I was, I was. And I aimed for the catcher's, I threw out two first pitches, which we'll cover later. And the only tip I ever got too,

was like, especially from the mound, just aim for the catcher's helmet. And that'll ensure that you don't bounce it. And I just had to imagine Piven knew he can't reach from there. Where does Piven? Yeah. Where does Piven? He can't reach.

So I went all out. Where does Piven rank amongst all time worst? I know your boy 50. 50 is number one. That will never be defeated. I don't think you can defeat him. I mean, he threw the ball 40 feet to the left. Like it was like.

Undeniably. By the way, Stephen A. Smith was awful, too way, Stephen a Smith was awful that might be number two that might be number two and again I'm more Marvel at the balls it takes to stand up there for Stephen ain't Yankee Stadium Knowing no, you have no idea how to throw a baseball zero So I looked this up like Snoop had a really bad one actually, but he made it You know who had a sneaky bat Carl Lewis, I Remember Carl Lewis threw the ball eight feet in front of him I was forgive Carl Lewis because it's like Carl Lewis probably spent his entire

Youth like he probably never played baseball Maybe he did but if not, he was too busy becoming one of the greatest athletes in his sport of all time. Yeah, like he can get away with it because he's literally, yeah. Like come on Pivin, Steven, you guys never threw a baseball? And if you did, you'd decide, I don't know, I wouldn't do it for me. If it was like, hey, do you want to do a breakaway against a goalie in hockey with skates on, I'd say absolutely not. But this goes back to your guys conversation this past weekend. We don't need to get into details, but we're just talking. We're talking about life. You can talk about the fact that we got into our first podcast host friend.

We got, we got, we got to an argument, a friendly fire coral that was that. But by the way, this is why I love you, man. We just, you know, we're like, we're like two brothers, but we're like a married we're like we are like a little bit of a married couple. Yes. But what we did say is you need to start you need to start approaching things with a half glass full than a half glass empty. Don't just say no right away. So even if I know I'm going to fail miserably. Yeah, because you know what? It's a memory, and it's a great memory, and it's a memory that your kids will always have. And you have the experience to talk on the show, be like, dude, remember that time when I went out to the Guardians game, and I hit BP, and I struck out?

What, you know, it's like. Similar to the Knicks stuff, I think I care too much. I honestly, and this is not me sounding like, I'm not trying to come off as ungrateful. I don't ever need to throw out a first pitch ever again, because the days leading up to it, for me, are incredibly stressful. Incredibly.

Because, look, I know I could throw, but you just don't want to end up being- Yeah, I know. Well, especially now on social I would say this I don't the I give credit to Piven like he just rolled it up there 42 feet wave to the crowd and walked off like yeah Like I guess I'll get him next time and he won't even think so I would have went into hiding for a year after also maybe it maybe it's a smart play because he knows he's gonna be talked About for a while too. Maybe it's like, you know, sometimes, sometimes guys are strategic. The last thing I'm going to say, I, the, the, I don't, I used to get the nerves I had before games and playing

were obviously or anything or were different. Like honestly, I had more nerves going up playing or coaching Cole's football team, like in the Super Bowl. Which I love, I love that. No, I had way more, like honestly, like that kept me up the night before. The Kings thing, I slept like a baby. I was nervous for, but it wasn't, it was different.

I think I'm just getting older, like the bananas thing. I was like nervous for, Josie would tell you, but I didn't, it didn't like, I wasn't like thinking about it all day. I thought about it five minutes before I went out. I'm like, oh shit, this is about to happen. Like, let's go. So it's just different, but like,

I get more nervous coaching my kids, dude. Not even close. Well, here's why. We're gonna talk, we're gonna do a little NBA Finals talk as the game kicks off tonight in a second, but before we go to that, online with this topic, and this is airing on Thursday, we're recording on Wednesday, so when you're watching this right now out there,

the results of this are already in. So whether you watched it live or if you wanna go on YouTube and watch the result. But to your point, why you're not full of shit is because you admittedly don't golf once or twice a year, which is normal for some people who don't really care about golf. And you are now, you played in the Mahomes charity. That's no pressure. That's fun

But you felt a little stress and now you went right from that to arguably the biggest Golf YouTube channel on the face of the earth good good and they're having one of their live events, which I believe is broadcast on CBS YouTube which I believe is broadcast on CBS. YouTube and Golf Channel. Yeah, it's gonna be everywhere. And you are playing in this because it's all NFL quarterbacks and playing football players.

And I have the roster. You don't golf, there's gonna be galleries. Are you not a little shook? No, this one, this one, this one, this one I'm extremely nervous for, dude. Okay, good, you're human. No, I'm dead serious. No, this one I'm extremely nervous for, dude. Okay, good, you're human. No, I'm dead serious. No, this one, and the short version of my golf game

is probably like 99% of guys who golf, right? Maybe not because I am an athlete, right? So I have the athletic ability and like the fluidness of a swing. Right. At least my body allows me, because I'm tight. All that being said, so that's my only saving grace going in to a scramble format,

playing with an absolutely OG like Garrett Clark, who I think I'm playing with him. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that real quick. So, in a scramble format, I can for sure put together a handful of shots. Now, just to help him and save him a little bit. I can do that. I just don't know when those shots are going to happen.

So when I go up to hole one, I could drive off the tee pretty good. I could probably hit like eight or nine fairways in 18, which probably isn't great. But like- That's good for a scramble. That's good for Garrett. I, like I've done it, but like, I like we're playing 12 holes and the nine that I don't make might be the nine of the 12 that I play. So I'm, I'm terrified, bro. I'm terrified. You're coming off the homes, but you had four or five guys and your scramble. This is two man scramble. So it's a friendly format, but you know.

Real quick, TMI real quick, like the thought of me talking about this right now, I gotta go to the bathroom. You gotta go do, go ahead. Yeah. You know what, should we just throw them a break? I gotta pull a shack, dude. I gotta pull a shack and go do like, I gotta go to the bath.

No, that's the nerves that I'm getting right now. The two on two scrambleramble mic'd up on TV with cameras everywhere and a gallery. And by the way, I wanna pose this question to you and everybody else so we could take a break because we could put this out there. The thing that makes me the most nervous, like one of the most lonely places in sports

has to be on a T-box a gallery 10 yards apart by the way a thousand people on each side watching the next up to the tee Matt liner by the way guys I fucking suck and golf twice a year watch out you better watch out honestly dude that shit that shit gives me do they sign they probably sign like they sign like things right I think liability is my ability now But if you hit someone you're gonna have to sign a bunch of stuff for them Maybe have them out that has to be a game or something that scariest thing like it's not by the way It's not fourth down on a two-minute drill for me. It's you're comfortable with that. I've shot. I've played golf in

One tournament with the gallery years ago and I was, I felt the same way and I ended up okay. But yeah, we're going to take a quick break. So Mack, he go get some of his nerves, nerves out to a few more quick things on this. And we'll talk a little NBA finals. We'll come right back. Hurry up, Matt. Go hurry up. All right, we're back. I do want to talk to you really quick. One more thing for you with the Good Good Tournament. I'm going to just go through because I know their content really well. I'm just going to go through the lineup for tomorrow.

Even though the event has already ended, you got Bubby, who is a very long hitter and can play with Matt Ryan, who I know is a stick. Then we got Sean, who's like a essentially is a professional. They have all the parents. They have all the parents. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. With Jamal Charles.

I don't know anything about Jamal Charles is golf game. I'm curious about that. Then we have you and Garrett, which I want to tell you one thing quickly. Brad Dalkey, who's could put up minus eight on his own ball and Joe Hayden, Matt Sharpe, who has some of the best hole in ones on par fours in YouTube, some of the most viral moments ever with Golden Tate, who I've heard is an absolute stick. And then lastly, Stephen Castaneda, who's a really, really good player, really good scramble player with our boy throw throwback zone, Patrick Peterson.

Who's like a one or two. Who admitted to us on our own show that he's a two. So here's the last thing I wanna leave you with. The unfortunate thing for you is you got paired with Garrett Clark. Garrett is a great golfer, but Garrett Clark is to YouTube golf with Timothy Chalamet is to courtside at the Knicks game.

You are gonna be heavily featured Because they want to feature Garrett as well heavily So we're gonna see a lot of Maddie ice on the you know what you broke my last thing I gotta be honest I didn't even think about that beat Matt Ryan I will cuz you're Maddie fucking ice I want the Maddie Ice off of Matt Ryan. You beat Matt Ryan if nothing else. I'm the original Maddie Ice. I came before Matt Ryan. Yes.

Dude, you just, by the way, you just made me You gotta go to the bathroom again. more nervous. I didn't even think about the whole cameras thing, which is fine, but like the fact that, yeah, Garrett Clark is like, he's the guy. He's gonna get a lot of coverage. Oh shit.

You'll be all right,'ll be alright. Um, We do I do want to talk quickly the finals are kicking off tonight, and I know we went through my whole Disappointment of the Knicks and everyone's talking about how upset the NBA must be about these the two smaller markets In the league, which that's one way to look at it, which also by the way the NBA Necessarily, of course they care smaller markets in the league, which that's one way to look at it. Which also, by the way, the NBA necessarily, of course, they care. It's more so like an advertiser network problem. Like the NBA signed for 11 years.

This is just that this is a network deal. It's a network deal. So I love everyone says Adam Silver is upset. No, they got an 11 year deal. Of course, he wants the finals to be good for when they re up. But I don't think that's the issue. But I don't know how, if you do like basketball, you can't be a little excited to see the best defense versus the best offense. Oh, for sure. I think it's a fun, it's a fun matchup. The way the Pacers play, the pace, that clear, I mean, and just like, they had a lot of guys that like, like, like I'll see a Halliburton was awesome, but they have another gear. They have another gear. They play fast. They can play a little

bit like they're just fun to watch. And then okay. See just absolutely smothers you on the defensive side. It's a really, it's a really, I think, I just think this is okay. See's year. I think that's easy to be just like, this is just an absolute historically dominant defensive team with an app with the MVP who's a star. But I'll tell you what, man, this is probably the best matchup for pure basketball outside of maybe the Celtics if they were fully healthy that we could have gotten in the NBA. Well, yeah, that's the thing. I think that what we've learned about the Pacers is there and I think this is a bigger

basketball conversation that we don't have to have today. But the teaser of it is everything with the NBA goes in these cycles, right? At first it was when, you know, super teams, right? Big threes. That is what you needed to win in the NBA. You needed three stars. Then it became, well, you need two stars and a role player here or there. Right. Yeah. And I think now we're, we were up until like the nuggets with Yolkich, we were down to like, you need one top 10 guy and then a

bunch of almost like borderline all star, not quite. But now I think we're onto something completely deep, different. I think now, uh, Shay is obviously a star, and Halliburton, in my opinion, is a star. Those guys are elite, they're in the top 10. Shay might be in the top three, but I think this, you go in like 10 deep and playing a pace that we've never seen and empowering guys.

I mean, I'm wearing my OB Toppin' shirt as a tip of the cap, sign of respect. He's the Pacers' eighth guy, and he is, he had dagger shots against the Knicks and pushes the pace. I think that's like what we're going to see in basketball now is to, I hope so, man, I hope so because look, I mean, look at the sons, right? They did the Booker and Beal and Durant and it's been an absolute dumpster fire. I think you're right. I think it's a star too. And then you build the, you get, you have to be, I mean the Lakers, you have to be like, you have to be, you have

to be eight deep. Yeah. The Lakers aren't deep enough. Bottom line, Lakers aren't deep enough. They're not. So I'm with you. I think it's more entertaining, more entertaining for sure. And, and just creates more parody. I mean, for sure. Look at the West. I mean, my God. Well, that's why I think this series is going to be great. I have, I swear to you, I have it as a seven game series, but you don't need to listen to me. I'm only saying that because I just think it's going to be a highly competitive. We might get some thunder blowouts, but I think Indiana will hit into that gear that not a lot of teams have and we'll make it close. But listen to the last 10 matchups

in the finals so far. You tell me which ones were your favorite. Last year, Celtics in five over Luka and the Mavericks. That was kind of a one man show. Kyrie too, but like it was dying. Then you had Nuggets in five over the Heat. So there's two five game series, not great finals viewing experience. Warriors in six over the Celtics. That was very, I thought that was a very enjoyable, well played series. Bucks in six over the suns. Good series because the suns went up two oh first and the bucks in, but also weird times because we were just getting crowds back if you recall. Lakers in six over the

heat and the bubble. that's its own thing. I still give Lakers credit, that's its own thing. Then we go Raptors in six over the Warriors, which sounded fun, it wasn't. It was riddled with injury. Durant blew out his Achilles, Clay blew out his knee. Raptors really were the team, just healthiest. Then we go Warriors sweep calves,

Warriors in five over calves. And then we have the probably the last great finals was calves over warriors and seven. And then, uh, so that's what we have had the last 10 years. Yeah, we haven't, we've had a handful of competitive series. Well, my prediction is this series will be of the ones I just listed. I think entertainment wise, I think this one's going to be, uh, in the top three of all those ones I just listed. I think entertainment wise, I think this one's going to be in the top three of all those ones I just mentioned. It's never going to top Warriors, Cavs,

when the Cavs come back. But it'll be third of that last 10. I think it's, I think, I think Thunder and Five. Thunder and Five. Like you said, I think they're going to have some blowouts, dude. That's just what they've done. This whole thing, it's like, they'll win by 40 and then they'll win. Do you do

anything as we just saw with Carlisle I sure you could say out coached Tibbs or whatever. Carlisle's done it. Carlisle took a Mavericks team that he's a he's a great coach. Was not the most talented team in the league and was a heavy underdog and won the championship. And here he is again doing it. And I love Dagon Island in the Thunder, but you know, young coach, young team, I just think it's gonna be. I think it'll be a good series.

Six or seven amazing games. They got enough and the pace. And they got a lot of scores. They can shoot, they get hot. They can play D, they got good size with Turner. Do you think the Pacers run McAfee back out there? Everyone's talking about the small market. Do you think they say, all right, well, we've got a big star. Let's set McAfee up. Yes. What is it going to be? Game three, right? Game three? Game three. He'll be on the great promo versus the Knicks. He did. It's now time for Flavor of the Week presented by Wendy's.

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Hopefully ESPN just lets them do their thing and doesn't tinker too much with the magic that we got. I thought Charles Barkley asking Carl Anthony Towns live on the air after the game. Why do you get so many dumb fouls? Only Barkley could do that. And that's the whole reason why we watch. I really don't think we want the X's and O's insight all the time, even though Kenny Smith gives us some great stuff too. But that's what we want. But that's the stuff when you watch the game, you're like, why are you doing such a stupid stuff? Why are you getting so many dumb fouls?

Like he actually, Cat was great too. His answer was great. He was just like, God only knows. Yeah, I don't even know. God only knows. And he's like, oh, you're talking about the one where I reached in and all that? And I was like, yeah, I don't even know what I was doing. I thought it was great because it was like genuine banter back and forth. Well, it got me and us thinking here at Throwbacks, what are just some of the great sports shows of all time? And then it led to a bigger thing of, hey, should we involve scripted shows? How far do we want to go?

So I'm just going to open the menu and let's rattle off, whether it's scripted, unscripted, post-game, pre-game, whatever, let's open up some of our favorite and bring people maybe back down memory lane a little. Do you have a few off? Yeah, it's, yeah. Well, I think the Best Damn Sports Show period was good. I co-hosted once, yes.

I was on there a couple of times. I think that was sort of an original, had like the variety show flavor. It just kind of like, and like, you know, you just had fun, fun personalities, Sally and Arnold, and you had Rodney Pete, and you had all these guys. And Chris Rose was one. They felt like fans. They felt like fans. Yeah, fans.

And the fans were there and they just had, they just were fun. Like that was a big part of when I was started playing football, like high school, like that was, that was kind of the show. You know what, one also that obviously. Hit me, I'm ready for all of it. Semi scripted and you're not, you're gonna be like,

holy shit, American Gladiators. That's great, are you kidding? That's maybe the best one. I know, I know. I used to roll with Hawk from the American Gladiators, so I think he passed away, but he lived in Manhattan Beach when I first moved to LA, right by El Tarasco off Rosecrans.

My buddy was rooming with Hawk from American Gladiators. Lee, I forget his last name. And let me just say, when we went out to bars, I felt real confident standing next to him if anybody wanted to start something. Dude, the sad thing is is that no one, I think they've tried to reboot it a little bit, maybe like in the last part.

It just doesn't work. It just, like, it was such an, it's an iconic show for guys our age, for like, Cole will never know. Cole will be like like American Gladys I'm like dude was the greatest show ever dude like I wanted to go on that show and try to dodge like the balls and like you know, like The joust all that stuff. So I was saying I was thinking I mean, you know, obviously semi scripted but

They have like what's the one now they have they have The one to do the obstacle course has Like American Ninja Warrior you're talking about? American Ninja Warrior. That's different, there's no bad, like yeah, they're not doing the joust, which was my favorite. I always wanted to do that thing where they shoot the tennis balls at you,

like the final thing. There's a great documentary, I think it's on Netflix of American Gladiators, which you should fire up for one of your 85 flights that you have coming up. I'm gonna rattle off a few, I was a big, as a kid, I was a big NBA Inside Stuff guy with Ahmad Rashad.

Ahmad Rashad. That was- Iconic show. Essentially the way you found out about players. Now we know everything about players with social media. That was the only way you could find out Grant Hill was also an expert piano player. Yeah, they had great stories. It was just awesome.

Ahmad Rashad was the best at that. Obviously, Hard Knocks, especially the vintage early years of Hard Knocks. I'm so bummed. Top five. None of your NFL career got caught on Hard Knocks. I would have loved seeing you on Hard Knocks. Why?

I was a backup quarterback. It would have been great. No, but I would have loved in those Arizona. No, it would have been great. We would be in training camp, or like before, and I remember, or in the summer, being like, I think one of our Arizona teams was up for it because we had gone to the Super Bowl,

or we were in the play, like we had some good teams, but I think they turned it down. Did you watch Hard Knocks ever while you were playing, or any guys you know, or was it like, we're watching our life, like why have we watched this? You know what the big show is? Let me throw this out there. The big show that I watched during training camp,

there were two things that we watched religiously every year, could you name them? Now think about the month of August. August. For me, one, it was always on in the locker room or whatever. The other one, I just watched all the time. August is not really great. Oh, one of them is sports.

August sports. You got me. Okay, Little League World Series. Oh, that's the best. I still watch it now. I love watching it. You ever take your kid? We should go one year. I would love to go. I'm like two hour drive away.

Yeah, I'm like a nine. No, fly into my, you come to my house with the kids. We all hang out. We take the drive. The thing about the thing about out there in Ohio is like everything is within like two hours of each other. Everything is two hours. Everything. Because like Brady lives out there. I'm like, oh, he's like, I'm driving to Wisconsin. And I'm like, what? He like two hours of each other. Everything is two hours. Everything.

Because like Brady lives out there. I'm like, oh, he's like, I'm driving to Wisconsin. And I'm like, what? He goes, yeah, everything is like three, four hours. It's the truth. And the second show, dude, come on, bro. You've watched this. Shark Week.

Shark Week. Remember Shark Week. It is Shark Week. I'm sorry. I thought you were going to say Entourage. I'm just saying those were the two shows during training camp. OK, how about this? And rest in peace to him.

Stump the Schwab. That's the show I want to redo on social media somehow. He passed away last year, but he was an absolute legend. He used to get so mad when he missed a question. He would slam his hand on the table. For the few times he ever lost. He would get so pissed. You know who needs to be the next is my boy bear,

Chris Felica. Is he genius with sports trivia? Cause I have a guy too. We'll get him on the show too. Cause he's, yeah, he's fascinating. Just the way, you know, like the gamblers and all that kind of stuff. And like he's a walking encyclopedia for sports history.

So it's like fascinating how that works. So I think he'd be good. And obviously, these are the obvious ones. You know me, I like to go off obvious. I'll just list like the heyday of like Dan Patrick Sports Center. That's Chris Berman. You could say he's the greatest of all time.

And obviously, like around the horn and PTI. Sure. I'm going a little bit further. I mean, in the vein of hard knocks, 24-7, which was like the boxing version before a big fight. Floyd Mayweather kind of took that. And then lastly too, I was a big outside the lines guy. Outside the lines.

When like Bob Lee called, when you, I feel like a player or a coach had a call from Bob Lee. It's like, oh shit, what did, we're in trouble now. Outside the lines. Outside the lines, huge. I feel like we're missing some. Oh, I got, well, look, there's a Goat Saturday morning cartoon. You might be a little young.

Do you remember Pro stars? I oh, yeah Cartoon with Bo Jackson Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky is one of the genius ones Pros verse Joes is another show that should be Remade like it should still be on if it's not I know it's always on somewhere. It should a hundred percent be on Stars. Oh my god. yeah. And NFL prime time. 1991. Did feel like NFL prime time was one of the last times with sports media that I was like, I gotta,

okay, it starts at this time. We have to get that on for Berman. Tim, he, you know, just like, you know, Eric's sleeping with the B enemy. That was genius. Few scripted ones, obviously Friday Night Lights, legendary, White Shadow, taking you a little far back. White Shadow.

You never heard of White Shadow? You're youngin'? Go on YouTube and watch White Shadow episodes. What is that, like a? It's a high school basketball show about a former NBA player who comes back, who goes to a school to coach hoops. And obviously playmakers

Playmakers you watch playmakers. No, but I've heard of it when you have characters Heroin in halftime ballers is good Ballers is good. I get yes. I should not like balls out Did you you never got called to be on ball? I feel like you'd have been such a great ballers cameo. I never did. I feel like Glazer, Glazer, because Glazer was on Glazer was on there. I feel like Glazer and I talked about it at one point. His fake baller show was glazed and confused. Glazed. Which is a great. I like that I got you with Outside the Lines. Dude, America, Outside the Lines. Yes. Do you have any ones before we move on? No, I was just, Which is a great I like that I got you it outside the lines dude America outside the lines

Yes, do you have any ones before we move on? No, I was just I was about to look up American gladiators for her and all the characters and we we have to acknowledge Even though I think it's done more harm than good But early years skip and Stephen a first take even though it's it's definitely done more harm than good it was a phenomenon I in Stephen A first take, even though it's definitely done more harm than good. It was a phenomenon. I used to set my TiVo DVR to record it. Had to watch it back in the day, but yes, in the long term might've done some more harm than good. Hold on. Let me give you a list of some of these character names on American Gladiator.

Are you ready? I know them all. Do you know them? I know a lot of themadiator. Okay, ready? I know them all. Do you know them? I know a lot of them. Okay, ice. Ice, great. Siren.

Siren, sure. Gemini, remember Gemini. Thunder, laser, turbo, diamond, tower. Was it nitro? Don't forget nitro, that's like the most famous. Thor, Titan, blaze, nitro. Yeah's like the most famous. Thor, Titan, Blaze, Nitro. Yeah. Zap, oh Hawk, Diesel, Blade.

Hawk's my guy. Rearman, Lee Rearman I think his name was. So thank you. Thank you to Wendy's Flay of the Week and we're gonna come right back again and finish up here and get you off to go play some golf. I don't think we did mailbag last week. So we're going to hit mailbag.

I found a good one, even though to me it's a little heartbreaking. We could get sad for a minute. But anyway, Brett and Charlotte last week, a player for the Marlins, Ronnie Simon, committed three errors in the first four innings of the game and left the field in tears, genuinely felt for the guy and was wondering if you guys ever saw something like this either on the football field or on a set of a show or a movie.

I feel like there's not a lot of, we used to say there's no crying in baseball, I feel like there's really not crying in football. Let me tell everybody something real quick here. You can't. I'm not laughing at this. My last game in Buffalo, I was there for, I was there for, I say a cup of coffee. I was there for four days.

It was preseason game four and I started, I got called in like on a Sunday. I flew and I started on a Thursday. I tried to learn the offense. All that, all that being said, I threw three interceptions in the first half. I was four for 11, okay? Three interceptions. I stood on that sideline, like, God bless my mom, she passed away, but like someone passed away

in my family, dude, I was there, I kept my helmet on so the fans, so I could, so no one could see my face because I was, now, I was, now, one could see my face. Cause I was now, now I was now don't feel bad because I was already checked out. I wanted, I was done playing. It was, it was a moment where I was, I was embarrassed. I didn't cry. I was so embarrassed that that was going to be my last time ever on a football field. And I just knew it. And I also was like, I just want to get home. That's when I met Josie Cole. Like there's a lot to look forward to. I'll tell you what, dude,

I feel I feel for him, man. Because I was like, it was it was just like, because all eyes are on you. And now football is a little worse because you got 90,000 people and you're a quarterback, a preseason game, everybody's watching. And I felt dude, like it was a lonely couple out and then the next morning exit meetings, I knew I was like, I was with Doug Marrone was a coach and I was like, Doug, all good man. Thanks for the opportunity. Like, you know, whatever. I was just, I didn't want to show my face, dude. I wanted to get the fuck out of there. So bro, it's tough, man. But didn't you say at one point, I feel like you said months ago on the pod, that being

said, you get love whenever you run into like a Bills fan, even from that crazy moment, right? I feel like I had a good relationship with the Bills fans. Well, because that week they did like this whole fan fest thing. So like, they were honestly the Sappers, they were so fired up that like I was there like, yeah, like, you know, gonna revive your career here. And I'm like, guys, like, this is like, they need an arm pretty much. Like, I always wonder if I would have went like 10 for 11 with like a touchdown if I would have made the roster, but like, they had just drafted E.J. Manuel. E.J. Manuel was a rookie. Kevin Cobb was out with concussions. So So they, and then they ended up keeping Thaddeus Lewis. So it was me, Thaddeus Lewis, and someone else. And Thaddeus played a little bit better in that game. And he was younger and he ended up actually playing for like, he actually ended up backing up there a couple of years

cause EJ struggled. And anyway, yeah, but I saw firsthand I've I've I saw firsthand Buffalo like like Bill's Mafia, how awesome their fans were and they treated me great for the first couple days. So that's why I was like, I love Buffalo. My heart goes out to Ronnie Simon. To me, it just seeing that you just look at it and immediately we talked earlier about Little League World Series like he's a little kid in that moment right like it's the same emotion and I remember very young in little league we played this one team and their pitcher must have walked 20 guys I mean we we won like mercy rule just destroyed his game I remember when we were shaking hands one kid on our team went hey

Johnny good game like sarcastically and Johnny a freckly kid just collapsed and bald and his dad came out and hugged him and I just remember in that moment saying in victory or defeat don't be an asshole and I just look at that and I'm like it's pure it's pure even though it's a low moment for him on the field it's pure because he cares so uh keep your head up, Ronnie Simon. It's a great thing about sports is the raw emotion for better, for worse. And I've been on both sides, man. And it's lonely on the bad side.

It's great on the good side. But yeah, he'll be fine, man. Has Cole ever gotten emotional when he was younger? Like little kid. Oh my God, dude. He struck out. I'll never forget the moment. He struck out 11.

We were 12, 12-year old little league here pretty like pretty good We had we were we were like a handful of wins away from going to like San Bernardino and potentially Williamsport. We had a really good team We got all the way to the state and but in little league in playoffs, right? It's a big deal. It was fun. Like, you know, you're coaching against these kids these coaches Yeah, and he struck out to end the game and And he was, he was one of our best players. He was going up against good. It's the bat you wanted in that moment though. You want, yeah, it was like, we were like down two to one in the last inning runner on second or,

you know, like bases loaded, like one of those, like he had a hit probably wins. You know, it was like that you couldn't have scripted it for a better opportunity. And he struck out and he started crying and dug out. I felt, and I didn't even yell at it. I was just like, I just fell off of him and his boys picked him up and all that. And I was just like, you know, it was just one of those. And then, dude, we lost the very last game in football. I've told you before in the Superbowl, when they were right after COVID,

like they were 13 and we played in SoFi and we were dominant. Like we won, we were a dynasty in this league for like seven years and we lost the very last game, dude. I think I might've cried. Like I talk about losing sleep, like he was devastated because one his flag football career was over because he was going to high school the next year and two it's like you know you want you know you want to go out on top and we did it so yeah plenty of moments but Kase and I one of those

moments I coach pitched the other day dude like we lost the last game these kids don't know any better like this is the last game this is the championship and like, like you guys aren't really keeping score in these games. Right. And we lost and we were really good. It's first time we lost all year, technically, because the other coach was super competitive and our boys, they were hysterically crying. I'm like, oh my God, like it's already starting. See, I'm still in T ball with my kids, even though they're six and four, we haven't graduated. Dude, it happens, man. Fast.

I remember crying, but it wasn't on the field. And this is, this is, shout out to my mom, if you want a parenting lesson. My mom's biggest philosophy when I became a father, the biggest advice she gave to me, she just said, follow through with what you say to them. Oh God, yes. Follow through.

Don't ever forget. So my travel baseball team, which we went pretty far one year, we were basically like a game away from getting the Williamsport But a few years before that we were in like our travel league Championship game and I had fucked up at school and the teacher called my house memory I don't know if you remember this back in the day youngins like if you messed up at school The teacher was gonna call your house phone at some point I used to unplug my house line if I thought the teacher was gonna call and wrap me out

But anyway called my mom told her how I was acting up. My mom said, you're not playing in your game this weekend. I'm like, mom, it's the championship game. She's like, yeah, right. You're not playing. Wow. Okay. I honestly didn't believe her. So Saturday championship games at one, we used to go have breakfast at my grandmother's. I put my uniform in my backpack. She's like, come on, go in the grandma's, go have breakfast at my grandmother's I put my uniform in my backpack She's like come on going to grandma's go have breakfast and then I go into the bathroom come out my uniform She's like, what are you doing? Like well, we got to get to the field the game starts. She said Jerry you're not Playing in the game. It's the championship Matt. I threw myself on the floor I might even go my god down the flight. And I don't think I've hysterically

cried like that minus a death in the family since then. Hysterical. I almost vomited. And this lady, Maryanne Ferraro, stuck her foot in the ground and said, it is what it is. I'll tell you what, you probably never fucked up again. Oh, well, I just got a lot better about unplugging the phone line. Maybe that's where I came up with that plot, but she punished me before the championship game. My coaches, my friends, my teammates were like, whoa, your mom is no joke. And to this day, follow through. Real life lesson, man.

Don't test mom and dad, dude. I just never thought she would follow through. I packed my uniform, my glove, my big league chew. I just never thought she would follow through. I packed my uniform, my glove, my big league chew. I was ready to go. And I am guilty of that. That's great advice from your mom. Like that's, that's great advice. Well, it's hard to do because you're like, it is a, it is a big, big time moment for any kid. It's always like, well, like let's let them play in the championship because the team needs them and then we'll punish them after. It's like one of those. You're like, Nope, not my single mom. She was like, watched it. Hold my

beer. Just kidding. Going anywhere. So anyway, keep your head up, man. It happens to all of us. Now we're going to do a little all time adventures driven by Nissan. Take adventures to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. I'm still eyeing the one that we saw at the draft house that day. So, uh, yeah, go to NissanUSA.com slash Armada to learn more. It's interesting. We talked more baseball than I would have ever imagined today. Uh, our Colorado Rockies are 10 and 50. Someone put up a very interesting stat. I think it was in either in the last month or the last two months, interesting stat. I think it was in either in the last month or the last two months. Colorado Rockies have three wins and Scottie Scheffler has three wins. Never. They don't even care. It's crazy. What is going on? How do you how do you

even explain that? I don't know. I mean is this Major League? Are they trying to move the team? Why would you want to leave Colorado? They can't move the team. That's what I'm saying. Why would you leave Colorado? Have you ever been on a team? Well, have you ever been on a team though? I don't think you're probably not but even if you go back to like when you were a kid where you just like hey We we stink like it's just not happening. We're bad I just feel like you can't do that with football because your life is still kind of on the line.

I gotta be honest. I've been on pretty, even like baseball, I was on good teams. I was always on a good team. Well, Arizona, we were five and 11. We were shit my first year. And actually Oakland, we were five and 11 my last year. So I've been on like a, I've been on like a not a great team for NFL, you know.

I just feel like with football, you gotta still compete or else you could get hurt. You lose like three or four of those games, we lost by like three points. So like, yeah, you're competitive. Well, obviously I don't know what that's like in sports. I have definitely been a part of some low budget,

independent films where you're on set and you're trying. So maybe, I don't know maybe maybe the Rockies are trying but you just know hey this shit ain't working it don't make any sense what wouldn't you know what didn't you know wouldn't you know that when you read a script or at that point are you just like and you're probably gonna say this so maybe I'm answering the question for you are you just like getting a paycheck you're just like getting a paycheck? You're just like, eh, yeah, I'll do it. Honestly, I've never done the paycheck thing because I've never really done like, cause

I, I will always get paid the most in television, right? And television, I've really only done two things with movies. It's never like, Hey, you want to do this movie for 2 million bucks. So what's the incentive of doing like a low budget indie? The incentive is you hope it's good. And lot of times though what happens with the lower budget things is the script is good but it's not enough money in the project to execute the vision. Or in like this one case and I guess if you look at my IMDB you could figure it out, similar it wasn't like super low budget but it was low enough and it was a movie set in New York that we shot in New Orleans.

Don't tell me the name. Keep talking, I'm listening to you. It's a movie, you know, so right away, you're going into it like this is supposed to be like a New York gritty crime story and we're shooting it in New Orleans, which I love New Orleans, it does not mirror New, it's one it's it's probably called Club Life. Brooklyn, we actually we actually shot Club Life was in New York Club Life.

Like seventy five hundred. No, that was a movie where now I had a good budget. It's a horror movie on a plane. And it's not even on your IMDb. Do is there a move? All right. Well, I'll call it out. A movie called Hold on. Oh, here we go. I got more. Dating in New York? Nope, that was great. That was a low budget movie. Empire State. No. Yeah, we have a winner. Empire State? With the Rock? Look at the cast. Yeah.

Have you ever seen it? Have you ever heard of it? Can you name the last Rock movie you haven't heard of? I think it's the only Rock movie rock movie. Liam Hemsworth, Emma Roberts? Yes. Cherie Ferrar, Nikki Reed? It never came out. Wait, it never came out? It never came out. I mean, it never came out in theaters, I don't think.

And again, it wasn't that it was like. That was only 10, 12 years ago. It just. Rock was a megastar still. We were shooting that in New Orleans. I somehow get, my character gets like shot in the head, but I live and I'm like in the next scene. There was just things that weren't working and.

Who directed that? Just everyone just go look at it. Good director, good director. It wasn't, and I'm gonna say necessarily. It wasn't our boy, was it? No, no, no, no, no. You talk about Pete. Oh, I got him

I won't say the name no, but anyway I guess this is why I have a hard time believing that the Rockies aren't necessarily trying because I think they are I don't think they're Trying dude well with that movie we were all trying because similar to baseball like it's on this record of it forever But yeah, man, how are you 10 and 50 and trying in baseball, dude? it forever but yeah man. How are you 10 and 50 and trying in baseball dude? In a stadium too where you could hit home runs a little easier. I went to a Dodger Rockies game in Colorado,

it worked out. Actually when we were, we were for big noon, we were in Colorado and the boys and Josie came, it was cool, it was a fun weekend and dude there's like 5,000 people and this was two years ago. I was like, and the stadium is pretty cool. Like it was like, it's just, it was cool to be there. And it was just like, wow, this isn't, even-

You ready for full circle? What's the bananas guy's name? The kind of founder, what's the name? Jesse Cole, I believe. I call, I call Jesse Cole and I make him the GM of the Rockies. Come in, come in. If we're gonna go 10 and 50, at least make this exciting.

At least make this fun. At least make this fun. At least make this an entertaining product. That's what I do. So, um. Dude, he could bring a lot of entertainment to the MLB. That's for sure. We're gonna get you out of here because you have an insane next 72 hours

between hosting shows and then going. So, my last thing I'm gonna leave you with is, if you get a hole in one. There's zero chance. Everyone has a chance. You could hit a worm burner, you could hit a ground ball that goes in. It's always in play for anyone, regardless of handicaps.

Legendary stuff. You would live on in the golf, YouTube, content creation. You will be a king, a king. What we told Justin Tomlin, give me something. What do you need me, if we win, what do you want me to say? By the way, if I hit a putt, because with scramble, right, I can, like, I'm liable to make a putt for sure. Oh, for sure, for sure.

I will get, if I make a putt outside of 10 feet, I will give the biggest fist pump of all time. I'm just letting you know. I'm a fist pump guy. But if we win, what do you need? Like with Justin, what was the phrase? We said, you saved it for the close up. That's what we told Justin Thomas,

to save it for his close up. If we win, I'm just gonna tell, hey, we just saved that for the close up. You're like this, hey, wait, is this my shot? And they're gonna say yes. We're like, shout out to throwbacks, I was saving it for the close up. Done, if we win.

All right, good luck. I don't think we're gonna. So right now as we end you could go on YouTube and find Matt's round right now. Go find that shit. Who knows could be a hole in one already. Thanks to everybody who listened today. We'll be back next week.