Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - NBA Talk with Evan Turner

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Former National College Player of the Year and 10-year NBA vet Evan Turner joins the show. ET reveals that he was in attendance for Matt’s famous Bush Push game vs. Notre Dame, and how Vincent Chase helped motivate him to bet on himself and eventually earn a $70 million dollar deal with the Blazers. Plus, Evan talks young players hating on Klay Thompson, CP3 getting released by the Clippers being a James Harden move, and the guys pick the NBA’s White Guy Starting 5.   Later the guys are joined by Annie Agar to talk the big Packers vs. Bears game this week and play another round of Twisted Tea Trivia plus Matt and Jerry make their picks for the best great player on a bad team guys.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s  Join Team Tendy’s and enjoy a line-up like never before. Crispy. Juicy. Tendys Now at Wendy’s. https://www.tendys.com  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  DraftKings Download the DraftKings Sportsbook App and use code TB. Bet five bucks and get 3 months of League Pass plus get $300 in bonus bets if your bet wins. In partnership with DraftKings - The Crown Is Yours.  Ka’Chava Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS for 15% off your next order.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You got to go get Dante DiVincenzo, bro. By the way, there's only like eight white guys in the whole NBA, Paul Peyton Pritchard. Oh, damn. I forgot. I think Peyton's black. Welcome to the other episode of Throwbacks. Don't forget to follow us at Throwback Show.

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what we're doing good. Tell us how much you like Matt's USC hoodie. That's a dope hoodie. It is. It's comfy. We just got in the mail. I don't know. My wife gave it to me.

You know what's sad for me, Matt? I will never have that feeling of like wearing a hoodie with the college I went to. Not even just because you were like actually, that is sad. I don't know why.

I don't know I'm laughing at you. You have no affiliation. to any school. Yeah, it's not even like, oh, well, it looks even different on you. No, it doesn't count. Like, community college of Staten Island, that doesn't count, you know, like,

I'll never have that feeling of putting on my- You go roots to your high school. You got roots to your high school, bro. I don't have roots to my high school? I dropped down in eighth grade, bro. Yes, I went to the high school that there used to be an old TV show called Welcome Back Cotter.

You might be a little too young because I'm a little too young. I've heard of it. Like, my school was based on that show. young John Travolta playing Vinnie Barbarita, Mr. Cotta. So, no, I have none of that, like, school and pride stuff. You don't. Well, one thing I do have a lot of pride in is my Knicks and watching basketball.

And this is basically the first. This is how we know the NBA now has started. I get to talk hoops. You get to talk hoops. We got Evan Turner joining us on the podcast. Now, for you young ins, if you don't know Evan Turner, great NBA career, number two overall pick, played at OSU. Naismith player of the year.

But also now post career, he's one of the first player, former athletes, newly retired, to get behind the microphone, do the podcast stuff. He's maybe one of the best NBA follows on Twitter because he, he like trolls active players.

Yeah, I love it. He's just good, man. He's just a great dude. He's got a big personality. He was a Hooper, obviously. I ran into him last month at the Ohio State game kind of dapped up and saw him on the field, just said what up.

So it's good to have him on. And I know you're fired up, bro. It's, I mean, it is basketball season. I mean, we're in the heart of playoffs, but basketball's picking up. And a lot of just crazy shit going on in NBA, man. Yeah, I want to talk to him, too, about that, the NBA All-Star format now with the two NBA teams in the world.

Because I'm seeing a lot of things on Twitter of like, yeah, the world team, the world players have really caught up. I'm like, caught up. They're past, though. They might be very far past. I mean, look at the Olympics last year. It took a Herculean effort by. Steph Curry to win that game.

And now you're, I mean, the top five players in the NBA, arguably, are all European. If I forced you into an Olympic men's basketball bet right now for 2028 Olympics, gold medal basketball, if I said, Matt, gun on your head, you have, your life is on the line. You've got to pick a team. Are you still picking team? Yeah, I would still pick the U.S. just, I mean. Probably no Curry, no LeBron. Yeah, I mean, it's Anthony Edwards.

It's probably, I mean, gosh, I mean, it's, who else? You just ran out of players after Anthony Edwards. It's Tatum, probably in four. It's Tatum. Yes, it's Tatum. It's Brown. Jalen Brown. It's just going to look a whole lot, Cooper Flagg, probably.

Like, is KD even still on that team in two years, right? No chance. LeBron's gone, Curry's gone, KD's gone. Austin Reeves, my boy. Austin Reeves might be. on there. Dude, I mean, I'm actually trying to look right now.

We have some fun talks with Evanter. SGA, someone just put in our chat. I got to, it sucks that you have to remind everyone. SGA is Canadian. He's not American. Devin Booker will be back on the team.

Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, maybe we get Jalen Brunson back on. I'm just looking at the leading scores now. Jamal Murray's Canadian. That's right. Jamal Murray's Canadian. Julius Randall maybe. Yeah, I mean, dude.

Julius, I mean, I love Julius Randall. Slim pickings, bro. I might have to take the field on that one. Yeah, I got, so one of Evan Turner's buddies, Chris Mannix, former Sports Illustrated writer, like him and I got into this big argument about Jalen Brunson not being an all-star three years ago and then two years ago not being an all-star starter. And Manix always says, like, it's because New York Knicks fans don't vote.

They're too good to vote. Like, why does SGA plays for old? Oklahoma City. Why does he get more votes? I'm like, the entire state, the entire country of Canada votes for SGA. It's not like Oklahoma City voting for that. The entire country of Canada is voting for SGA, justifiably so. So we got Evan in a minute. Time now for our Wendy's fresh take of the week. Join Team Tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy Juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. And you and I talked a little bit off the air. Obviously, we're all enjoying this Miles Garrett performance.

And then I even looked on a lot of the betting sites and Carson Swessinger's, like, favored heavily to win defensive rookie of the year for the Browns. They obviously hit on Judkins, too, but we know the quarterback situation and other things. And Miles Garrett's being talked about now is the new name that's the greatest player who's on the worst team.

The sort of not like the waste of talent in a way, meaning like he's not playing meaningful games. He's played three playoff games, I believe. And it got me thinking, and that's going to be our Wendy's fresh take. Who's the greatest player to be wasted away on a bad team? And I think we could use all sports for this because it's not just football. It bleeds into every sport. I think mine is, mine might be number one.

Number one. You have no idea. You have no idea what I'm going to say. If you told me the sport, I might be able to guess, but no, I don't know who you're going to say. Baseball. I have a thought. Mike Trout. Mike Trout.

Mike Trout. has been with the Angels since 2011. I'm looking at this up. Mike Trout probably, right? I think anyone would argue that he's probably the greatest baseball player of our generation, right? The last 10, 15 years.

Otani obviously is probably taking that torch, but like 11-time All-Star and three-time MVP, all of these things. And he's stuck in Orange County, California for the California Angels. By the way, I grew up, I mean, I grew up right by there. So, like, I'm not hating. like it's one of the worst organizations of all time

and by the way he loves it and he could have but like in terms of winning and the product he's never going to win a world series they can't sell out their stadium the Orange County fans are terrible like they just are like even for the ducks and for all the sport like it's just not a great sports place

and so I just feel like he's a hell of a player he's going to be one of the greatest of all time it's just like he's just going to be like they push their chips in when they got Otani, right? And every, like, they let Otani go. No, I know, but that's, that didn't even work. Like, Otani had to leave in order to not be Mike Trout, in order to not.

Can we, when was the last time they made the playoffs? Can we look that up? I don't know. I still remember well that World Series they won because they knocked out the Yankees, which was crazy. And they had like a really, really fun team. I don't know if anyone in the chat wants to put in the last playoff. You might have to go back to like, potentially like 2007 or eight.

Like, I think one of the A-Rod Yankee teams might have knocked the Angels out. I think they've been in the playoffs maybe once, maybe twice since that World Series appearance. 2014. 2014. Anyway, we can move on. I just think Mike Trout is, like,

it'll be the biggest what if he's going to be great, one of those all-time greats that will never win a ring. Unless he just goes to the Dodgers, which is not off the table at some point. They can afford Mike Trout too, right? Reunite him with Otani. Yeah, bro. We'll take him.

Well, there's a few good in baseball, but mine is football. If it's Miles Garrett, and Miles Garrett has played in playoff games. I'm going to give you a name of someone who's not seen in a lot of playoff games, and by far, this was the best player to be on the worst teams,

and that's Calvin Johnson. It's not close. How do you take a receiver like that who was getting double-teamed in the red zone and still catching 14 touchdowns at his size and his skills? He's a monster, putting up 1,700-yard seasons. No playoffs.

not even though playoff, not even in Hunt. You put Calvin John... They made the playoffs one year, right? One year, I think. I think they might have made it one year and I think it was a one and done. And there was just a lot of bad losing season. Yeah, that was like curse of the Detroit Lions forever.

Think of how many Thanksgiving games, Calvin Johnson. Not that, look, he's playing football. It might be why he hung it up, dude. Honestly, it's just like, tired of losing. Barry Sanders, I mean, Barry Sanders, I think, played in like six playoff games, I think. At least three, oh, eight. Yeah, six playoff games. He hung it up early.

Megatron for me. But my baseball honorable mention was Don Mattingly because I'm a Yankee homer. That was my guy who never, they were just such bad Yankee teams and they didn't sniff the playoffs until his very end of this career.

Sad. Well, you know who made some playoff games? Evan Turner made some playoff games and he survived Philadelphia. He was in the very beginning of the Trust the Process Sixers, 15 and 50 when they traded him in February. And then he had a good,

run with those Blazer teams. He just kept running into the freaking Warriors. That was the Portland Trail Blazers problem. So let's bring on Evan Turner. Maybe he'll let me call him E.T. I kind of want to call him E.T. Let's go. Today's guest, former number two overall pick, a decade-long

NBA vet, All-American, Naysmith Player of the Year, Buckeye legend, where we hooked up about a month ago, podcast philosopher, an elite storyteller. He doesn't sound like Little Yachty, little yaddy actually sounds like him the host of sports illustrates open floor podcast Evan turner my man what is up welcome to throwbacks bro man man just living a dream just living

a dream man good to be here with y'all i was really excited this one podcast i was excited to do bro i love what you do on instagram you're a tic-tock star i'm always supporting it uh hey thanks for making your bed in the background bro where you at i see yeah i'm literally i told you i'm in a trap man i'm in stamp or you know you don't make your bid if you're going to get back in it you go you know what's you know when you're old when people recognize you now for tick tock and now not and not being a football player that's the life that i'm in right now but it's okay it's okay um dude i i said i saw you at ohio state game um like last month which was awesome to see you i i'm curious to ask you about the the rivalry of michigan ohio state because we being involved with it now for football just

covering it for like the last 10 years, I've seen like the legitimate hatred in the football side. Is it the same for basketball when you guys play Michigan? I probably back in the day it was because we kind of, you know, the rivalry always kind of like trickled over and we kind of always had close games. But after Roddy Gale transferred from Ohio State and now he's playing for Michigan, I don't know what the hell those kids are you don't understand? Like, you know, out of all the schools you could have went to, you went there, but we, you know, back in 2010, we had a pretty big game versus Michigan where I hit a big shot in the quarterfinals, and that was a big game.

That meant more to me than anything in my college career. So I thought that was pretty cool, especially versus a team. We were competing versus. What was your recruiting like for it? Like, we've had a few players on. We talked to Arian Foster about his recruitment and stuff like that. He basically asking, how much money did you get paid to go back? No, no, no, no.

I didn't say that. See, I wasn't that good. I wasn't that good. I wasn't that good. So, that's, not straight. I was probably top 50, but I was in a class of O.J. Mayo, Derek Rose, Kevin Love, like, Eric Gordon, like, some killers. So there's some, like, Mike Beasie. It's guys before me that took all the money.

You know what I mean? By the time it got to me, they're like, they got bus fare for you and, like, a meal card. And then you can get it out of the money. At the same hotel you're in right now. They would give you that. And basically. But there's a roommate with me. There's a tall white guy named Kyle Mattson.

I was staying on the other side of the room. But now it's like, I was mostly like a Midwest guy, though. So I was a big 10 dude. So I thought at one point I was going to go to Wisconsin. And then, you know, obviously I had Illinois on me because I'm from Chicago. So Illinois at the time had Eric Gordon committed. He's like top five in the country. And we were waiting for Derek Rose.

So I was kind of waiting to see if Derek Rose was going to go to Illinois. And we would have did like a three-headed monster, like tight situation, pause. But that never played out. I went to NBA camp one week and hung out with John Dibler, Kosci Culfus, and Dallas Lauderdale. And it had the whole, yeah, and they had the whole team with Greg Oden and Mike Conley the year before coming in. So that might have kind of loaded up. And I was like, shit, I want to get with the Buckeyes.

And there's history from there. I love I uh I went to a I got what I got I think I won like the archie Griffin award in college I went to a in 2005 I went or four I went to an Ohio state game um I was just telling we had mire and piggy I don't know if that name rings a bell he's like the godfather AAU basketball does that name ring you yeah yeah yeah so we had him on the pod last week and you mentioned OJ Mayo I actually helped recruit OJ Mayo to USC I'll never forget I was yeah because I was did you get I mean, I was on a golf cart with, I was, I was on a golf cart with them going around campus. They say, bro, this is your, this is your city.

You're only going to be here one year anyway. You might as well go to USC and ball out, which he did. And then obviously, you know, play in the NBA. So we, uh, I'm a funny recruited story. Yes. Yeah, I would love to. Love recruiting stories. I was getting recruited by Notre Dame, right?

So, uh, so he called. me on like a tomb say, Rob Balanis. And it's like, Evan, what are you doing this weekend? I'm like, just shit, just chilling. Like, so when to come down here, it's going to be pretty rocking. Like, it's going to be pretty crazy. We got USC coming in. I'm like, oh, no, I'm cool.

I think I'm just going to hang out. Like, you know what I mean? Like, because I had nowhere to get there. I'm just like, now I'm cool. Like, from Chicago, I'm straight. I was just watching on TV. So I call my AAU coach. I'm like, yo, Notre Dame's trying to get me and come on a recruit a visit.

And he's like, yo, you're going and I'm taking your ass. It's like, it's either Mattliner or Reggie Bush is winning the Hizman, but those are like two of the most elite athletes I've ever seen at their age. So I remember driving from South Bend, I mean from Chicago all the way to South Bend, we watched the game, I believe it was like the Bush Bush, right? Yeah. So I remember being in like the student section on the other end. I can't see. So we don't know what's going on. I just remember you guys cheering.

I remember like a bunch of people just crying all around me and like literally. I remember, like, my coach was like, yo, that's the greatest game you'll ever see. Like, those two kids put the game on their back, like, Liner's pushing Bush for the highs men. He's like, that's how you got to be it. I just remember, like, I always been like a pretty big thing. I was like, damn, like, liner's a man. He's on MTV made, and he's, like, hitting all the local teams. Like, oh, man, that's, that's, that's who you got to be.

And Nick Young was telling me everything. Dude, I got, or I got punked, remember? Are we talking about Ashton Critcher punk me on him? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he's, it's, that's interesting, too, because that game, it's like always, I love, I mean, like you do, I love hearing stories because it's like, it's that game in the USC Texas game, the game we lost. It's like, where were you when you watched that game? And there's so many great stories.

That's awesome that you were, that you were in that. Yeah, that was a hell of a game, man. God. And I just, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, we called them. Notre shame. Can't stand in another game. Were you ever nervous during that game or no? you know what or were you like overly kind like did y'all really think y'all can never lose

yeah like no there was i mean i would if i'd probably be lying if i said there wasn't a little bit of doubt but you know how it is like when you're in even in a hoop game like when you're in when you're in the thick of it and you're not like i'm just the only time i was actually nervous was for it was like fourth and 20 and i'm like our third and 20 i'm like we're on our own 20 yard They have all the momentum. Notre Dame isn't typically loud, but like that game was the loudest it's ever been. And it was like, hey, get half back, check down to Reggie.

And let's fourth and ten and football is the best playing college football. Check it to Reggie. Fourth and ten in football is pretty hard to convert, man. I don't care what level. Like it's just there's not a lot of plays that are like designed to do that. So, but I'll never forget, man. We were, we were real confident. It just was like, I'm just in a zone like, all right, it's fourth and nine.

I'm going through my process of, like, the line of scrimmage, do I audible? What do I see? Like, you don't really have time to think about being nervous. I do always say, though, if I didn't score that, that, if Reggie doesn't push me, like, it's probably the biggest regret I have in my entire life, because I wouldn't have got him. But thank God that my love, push me. Now, that's crazy. I remember they were getting so crazy at Notre Dame.

Some white lady was next to me. He's like, you come to Notre Dame. We burn couches. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? We burn couches. She's like, we burn couches. So every time I get drunk, I'm always like, we burn couch. What the fuck does that mean?

I have no clue. And everyone, what the fuck is he talking about? I'm like, I don't know. The greatest part about that, Jerry, that game is if you watch, like, you can see highlights on YouTube. The stands after we score their faces, like the students. I remember watching it. It's just like, like someone died. Like their sister just died.

I think that's the most dejected. ever seen a home crowd after a game and I've watched millions of games in every sport that's the most dejected I've ever seen a random question though because I love asking this about sporting events is that like that probably maybe

one of your most memorable sporting events which is pretty cool outside of the NBA do you have like one that you've been to that you're like holy that was awesome could be golf I'm out and I like I know Jerry's like golf or all that kind of stuff or one that you want to go to.

I always thought like European soccer was lit. I went to the English Premier League championship back in like, what was that? When they had to shootout at the end, was that 2021 or like 2020 or something like that? I think it was 2021. Yeah, I thought that whole environment was pretty dope.

But I don't think anything like a performer I've ever seen, like Steph Curry is unbelievable to see in person. Like, to be honest. I've never seen him in person. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Damn, you should, bro. I remember watching him in game seven when he came back of down 3-1 versus OKC.

And I remember, I remember him just getting hot, getting hot, hot, and he hit a three and, like, turns around the crowd. And it's like screaming like, we're not going home. I was in a building. I remember I was like 28 years old. I was like, bro, why is this dude my age giving me chills? Like, you know what I mean? Everybody around me was like, bro, I'm so inspired. I just never learned I shoot.

but, yeah. Well, by the way, he's one of one. Like, they'll never be another Steph Curry. I mean. Well, speaking of that, too, if you remember, I think it was game, I don't know if it was game six or one of the games Clay then got like nuclear hot too. Yeah, yeah, but now it kind of, yeah, and I wonder how you feel about this. Like, it hurts my soul now, like seeing people talk shit to Clay. this whole

why is he getting hated on man I just I got like bro I love like Clay's dope don't ever get it wrong yeah I think Clay is dope as hell I think I think Clay sometimes pokes the bear

Ah we don't see that part Yeah and everybody loves Clay and I'm like oh Clay is so funny and it's like Clay's not really funny but okay but like they'll poke the bear and like I remember one time like I see Clay slid in my DM's other

day, right? Because I've been trolling him for like six months, just how he pokes the bear. But you know what I mean? He did it with the homie, Rodney Magruder. Yeah. And then he did it with a couple other, like, lower people. I'm like, Clay, like, you doing it. Like, one, you're like, oh, he might not be in a league again. That's corny as hell. But then, too, it's like, bro, this is a small, like, you're a big dog. This is a small friday. What are you saying? So I remember I had this little synopsis where I went in about Paul, George, and Joelle and B teaming up. I was. saying they wouldn't be good

all this goofy shit and um so I'm sitting there and I just see like like Clay like going and like yo this gotta stop like what's to them like type of thing and I'm like damn Clay like

yeah I can't damn Clay like type and I'm like you could at least added me so like for the next like year I just started trolling him and everything I saw in the comments so recently Jay Will when Jay Will and Pat Beverly yeah that little

tis, which was stupid. Like, you know what I mean? Jay Will was great on there, though. No, no, he definitely was. And I think, yeah, you know, I love Jay Will, one of my favorite point guard. So, uh, they go in, they say whatever they say, I troll again, like, damn, Toyin, they say you tender, you know what I mean? So I'm just enjoying my day.

And then before I know it, I get a DM like, hey, bro, you good? And I'm like, I might have to beat up a beige dude. Like, you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm like, if Clay says any. anything close to all, I'm a purple that man. But to be completely honest with you, I think, no, Clay's a dope dude. Play's an unbelievable dude. I think sometimes when people chirp, you know what I mean?

I think they get off to seeing, like, this response out of Clay because you've never really seen it. You understand what I'm saying? Like Clay talking trash, Clay kind of, you know, coming down from his throne to, you know, go talk to white rookies. Like, bro, you can't argue with, like, 22-year-olds they'll fight. over cereal. You know what I mean?

They don't respect shit. Why is the NBA? I feel like the NBA is the only sport that trolls each other the players, like whether it's online or like in football. I'm trying to think as you're listening, you're talking. I'm like thinking like, well, football, you could actually hurt. You could actually. Well, no, but I'm just like.

And y'all are like dangerous. Like us, we're like, man, the reps are going to break it up. You guys are like, like, you get many petties. Like, yeah. It's not on site. It's not on site. It's not on site. Yeah.

Yeah, no, you're right. It's just interesting because I got, I love it because you guys are all just talking shit back and forth to each other, but then nothing ever happens. But in football, like, no one's going to fight in football either. But, like, you don't see, you don't really hear current players talking smack about current players and, like, trolling each other. They do it on the field and that's it. I just think it's fine.

I mean, Megan, like, maybe it's like Megan the Stallion. Maybe he's ruined him. I don't know. That's what they're going to be honest with you, man. Literally, we got to let people just be happy and they're going to be. Especially where, like, the man is winning. Like, like, we'll be like, oh, you dated Meg the Stallion. Like, yes, I'm dating Meg the Stallion.

I'm dating a beautiful talented woman that's 5'9 that can breathe and get in money. You know what I mean? Like, damn, like, everybody else. You know what I mean? That's why you say, God bless and you tip your cap and you just keep it moving. And that's what I said. You won, you've been winning. Do not listen to them clowns.

Do you want another random recruiting story on Clay Thompson? I need to tell you this year, I tried to recruit Clay to Monterey to my high school. He went to, he ended up going, he's from Orange County. Yeah, he ended up going. High school recruiting? High school Clay Thompson, ask him, true story. He went to, ended up going to Santa Margarita.

And he was like a low level recruit. I think, where do you go, Washington State, right? So like, but modern day was loaded in basketball. And I think I was, I was in college at the time because he's younger than me. So Taylor King? Taylor King. And Taylor King.

Taylor, Clay. King used to pull up from 50 and buckets, obviously in college. You don't, do you remember Taylor King, Jerry? Shockingly, I don't. I usually remember everybody. Was he your year, Evan? Yeah, it was like O.J. Mayo and Taylor King since we were kids. But Taylor King

gave me 40 on an AAU circuit one time. I'm talking about like just doing straight. He was like a 6-7 white kid, 6-7 slow, but just could drain in high school. Lefting. And then went to, I think he went to Duke right out of And then he just, I mean, he never, like, he never saw the field.

Shout out to Taylor King, real life Kenny Powers. That's wild. But am I lying? No, I haven't seen that out. You can take that out. No, you're good. You know who else we talked about last week? Let's see if you were Shay Cotton.

You remember that name? Yeah, bro. I saw that documentary, bro. He was a dog, right? Yeah, he was, I mean, he was a freak, dude. Yeah, to be six super 12. Me last week, Jerry, I told you he was a, he was a freak. Yeah, guys, I mean, we didn't really get a lot of that in CYO basketball, you know,

I didn't see a whole lot of 50 spots, even though I saw, you know, Felipe Lopez, Stefan Marbury on my old head. But yeah, I didn't really get a lot of that in CYO basketball, but shout out. Who's the best you think ever came out in New York? Did you seem with your own eyes, Jerry? Well, we talked a little bit about it with Myron Piggy. Like, I still, I mean, I think over time now it's Marble. just because what he went on to do in the NBA. But in the moment for high school in

AAU, it was Felipe Lopez. I don't know if you're old enough to remember that name. Yeah, I remember Dominican Jordan. He played on the Gauchos and like the dude, you know, Dominican dude coming, you know, stayed at home at St. John's and Queens. Like, he had the whole city behind him.

And it just, he played in the NBA. He just didn't. But he was supposed to be, you might have been like cover of Sports Illustrated kind of high school player. Yeah, I remember the name, bro. I was a kid, so my brother graduated in like 96, so I was hip to like, you know what I mean? I watched him play KG, you know what I mean, back in the day when he was. Yeah, and then Telfare, Marbury's cousin was at the time, too, like he was picked as the next.

He's going to be maybe even better than Marbury. And then, you know, Telford. Should Telfar was on the cover of every magazine that year coming out. That was back when stars are really stars. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, I mean, those games with Marbury and Felipe Lopez were so packed, they started playing at MSG. That was like their spill. Oh, man, we're going to have the game at MSG.

That's, yeah, that's crazy. Did you, uh, do you see the CP news? You got, like, cut in the middle of the night? Waved in the middle of the night. Yeah. Bro, that's what the hell's going on with that? Man, they're trying to win, I guess. We're like, bro, we could have had you.

We need that spot old head, like, clearly. Like, it's either that or I want to do, like, some conspiracy theory. and be like it was a James Harding move. They felt like James and CPA at each other. And it's like, check me. I applaud James on that. So he's got to, I mean, he's got to be done at this point, right? Like he'll go and, because this is his farewell tour anyway.

Yeah, unless SGA comes and gets some and sends them to like OKC. Like, you know what I mean? Or like, maybe, I mean, it's all about what he wants to do. I would just go to a super contender and call it a day because that's what he thought he was doing this year. Like, he didn't expect to play that much. and granted, it's terrible how they did CP3, but I think you have no chance, you have no choice to the Clippers

if they spent so much money on that culture. You know what I mean? Like, their next little get back or whatever is they don't have any, like, picks or anything like that they traded their future. So I just feel like now they're like, bro, we either have to win now or like save the organization

from just completely going back to what they've been prior to when they had Laker, Derek, or whatever. Clippers are like that buddy, like, it's just going through some shit. You're like, you know, let's just go easy on, let's go easy on Chris. He's going through some stuff. And what's funny is, like, they got the All-Star weekend's going to be at the Intuit this year, right?

Oh, is it? Yeah, with the whole- Have you been to that format? That place is sick, man. I have not, bro. I'm still waiting until Englewood gets a little safer. It's safe over there. It's all good now.

I've seen, I've seen, they got show-fi. By the way, I had court-side seats for Jerry. Clippers, I think it was Rockets, and he turned me down. Really? I mean, I was at the Cardin wasn't playing, so I didn't want. No, you had a meeting, you had a show meeting with a showrunner, whatever that was. I did. But I wanted to ask you, you know, obviously everyone talks about like, oh, the All-Star

game, no one watches all this stuff or whatever. And now they have this whole new format, right? You're familiar with the format? It's the two USA teams and the world. And I was watching, I read all these articles and watch people like, wow, the world. players have really caught up, caught up to, you know, the American players. And I'm looking at the world team. I'm like, caught up.

I mean, it's Luca, Wembe, Yokic, Shea, Yannis. I'm like, caught up. Those are like five of the best 10 players in the NBA. They're beating our ass, dude. They're beating your ass. No, 1,000. I mean, I like to see that type of stuff because I think it's entertaining. I think it's something that, like, why do you think so?

Now, our culture loves, like, these type of battles. like the opposites and more like America against the world or even at college we did a black first white scrimmage in a pickup game on our own the coaches didn't do it and you should have seen how hard we were playing for our race you know what I mean so it wasn't a pickup game you guys are like actually like picking up probably half four at least yeah yeah yeah we're hearing er's being dropped we're calling you know what I mean we're like whoa taking me so Matt and I got into a a little debate yesterday when we were prepping for you.

Somehow it came up like what's the best white team in the NBA but no Euro. Now like taking it the world players like you can't take Yokic can't take Luca. And we agreed on like three

but then we had like one and the player we disagreed on is a player I think you probably know well and I'm curious to hear your thoughts but Matt you want to go down your team or you want to ask. I'm just saying I've I've built my all my starting

five all white boys in the NBA not Euros. So I went, my boy Austin Reeves, the dog. Okay. Chet Holmgren, dog. I'm taking that. Canipal. I know he's a rookie. He's young. He's young. I like,

have you heard, did you hear all the boys talking about? They said, that boy is going to be, is going to be nice. And his numbers are good. His numbers are unreal. Yeah, yeah, you're right. 18. Then I did, and Jerry debated me on this. I said, I said a healthy Tyler Hero, whether you like him or not, dog. Never got.

And then my point guard. And then my point guard. I went Alex Caruso. He just won an hour. Alex Caruso. Thank you, Edmund. Bro, this Alice Caruso thing beginning overboard. They say he's suck it.

He only plays hard in the games, bro. Could you imagine? So what does it matter? He just won a championship. I like Alice Caruso, bro. You got to go get Dante DiMenzo, bro. They're originally like... By the way, there's only like eight white guys in the whole NBA.

On your team, you're going to struggle. It's like, you know what I mean? If what? There's no genders on your team you might struggle. A name that I threw out, here's where we started arguing. Defend Jeno might as well be. He's probably, he's like half black. First of all, I love Dante Jimenzhenzo for that shot against the Sixers in the playoffs.

That was like the coldest shot ever. You knew it was going in. Evan didn't even say her boy, Jerry. So here's the guy I threw up and Matt completely hated. Not hated on him as like a player, but just like not making the squat. And maybe he is the sixth man, but I might slot him in either over, probably over Carousel. You got enough defense on that white tape. Peyton Pritchard.

Oh, damn. You, bro, absolutely. I forgot. I think Peyton's black. I forgot. Exactly. Bro, Peyton's the coldest. Yeah, you're wild.

Yes. You're wild. But I give you credit for Tyler Hero because you can't hate on Tyler Hero at this moment. By the way, Jerry hate him on Tyler Hero said he's, I love Tyler Hero. I don't see him play enough. He's always out in the. playoffs he's always out and I feel bad I want him to play and

he's like he's like Brett Chapman on steroids bro yeah he's got a bad beat a starting five and for the worst NBA team so you're talking about the Wizards or something? Are they beating the Wizards? Yeah they beat the Wizards yeah they beat the Wizards

I don't I don't think CJ McCollum going to move to a group of whites CJ's going off this year too that's what I'm saying CJ's my dog too and respectfully you all only got one defender? I mean, well, Caruso will try to lock down, but I mean, CJ got 248. Yeah, my boy

Austin. No, don't do that. Do not do their. Austin. I mean, Tyler Hero. Tyler, Hero. Canipo is playing defense. He came from Duke. He plays hard. You're absolutely right. I mean, we, you're absolutely right. I think I think Kevin Durant would find that interesting. You know what I mean?

If he matched her. Oh, Caruso. Caruso is a lockdown defender. He's 6.5. He can score a little bit. You can't lock down these great players, bro. It's good write-ups. I love what Caruso does. It takes the team effort.

And Caruso's let, he plays so hard, bro. But if you put Caruso on a real killer for 48 minutes, somebody going to be like, bro, somebody out. I love Caruso, but it also helps that you got, you got Chet and Dort and, you know, all of OKC. They're just like a bunch of rat, like, wolves, you know? They just hunt on defense. But you know, Bo, I appreciate that.

You're sinking hook, can he, man? Yeah, he's going, uh, he's actually, well, shit, this comes out there. He's, uh, he's signed with SMU this week. He's going there for football. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, but he was a hooper.

I was following, man, when he's a short, he was talking shit. He had a good freshman year and everything. Yeah, he was playing, he played like the whole made hoop circuit. He played with, uh, you know, Coa Pete, the baller for Arizona. Yeah, he's a dog. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's a dog. He's a top five pick probably next year.

He played with him and, like, Arenas' kid, Arisa's kid, all that, like, Matt Barnes boys, like, out here in SoCal. So they were all on the circuit together. Yeah, but football was, I mean, it's talking about white kids. Dude, he's like six three and a half, six four. Oh, damn. Oh, yeah, he was that tall as a freshman, wasn't he?

Yeah, he's, I mean, he's tall, but he just, yeah. I was like, you better either be a sick ball handler or be able to jump, like 45 inches, but, um, no, but he's, he's, uh, he's playing QB, man. So we go throughout. He'll be in college in like two months. This episode is brought to you by Draft Kings. All your favorite NBA players are back. And Draft King's Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA is the place to bet on NBA stars this season. New customers bet just five bucks and get three months of NBA league pass. Plus, score $300 if your bet wins, paid in bonus bets.

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which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required. NBA League Pass auto renews until canceled. Additional terms at dkng.com slash audio limited time offer you know what i want to ask you is this true can you confirm what's up did you go to the high school from what i think is the greatest sports documentary of all time hoot dreams is that true my god yes so uh i want to stick up for jean pingotor because he was like a father figure up until i died so i'm talking about like middle of the night

column he was there and like just not me like the homies like you understand some So I remember where I was at when I found out he passed. Like, that was like my man's Gene. Yeah, Gene Pingotauri is a man. Oop Drings is the reason why I went. My brother was going to the school at the time. He was 12 years older than me. And I just remember my mom, like, once I got older, so you're going to St.

Joe's, Pinguittori's going to teach you how to be a man. So I grew up in the same neighborhood that, like, Walter Gates and Arthur A.G. did. So I took the same boss and all that nonsense. But there's three hallways. We were, like, the number one team in the state for, like, most of my four years. And it was, like, it was a dope experience. It made me who I was. So, yeah, that was hard.

That, to me, I'll always say, yeah, I always say, like, it's not even just, like, one of the greatest sports docs of all time. It's just one of the greatest documentaries of all time. I must have watched it a hundred times. And, yeah, that just popped up on, like, the research. I'm like, oh, my God, I got to ask me about that. Because I try to tell every, like, even, like, younger people, like, watch hoop dreams. And like, ah, it's too long. It's like two hours long.

Like, really, that's too long for you to get through? Yeah, but as an athlete walks, you do, like, the ups and downs of four years and, like, how shit can change. Like, like, Will Gates was a man coming in as a freshman. Now, obviously, ended up doing well. And Arthur A.G. played freshman and barely played varsity and leaves his team downstate. I thought it was an unbelievable documentary. And it was just, it was hard, bro. That was a big part of my childhood.

That in Sunset Park. Sunset Park. Time. It's time to get. By the right, Aaron Tower playing just like a Dennis E. Robin Spakey. Oh, that was, I'll tell you what, that

and above the rim, above the rim was my movie movies. Yeah, yeah, but the funniest thing from Sunset Park when Butter would be telling all the lies. It's like, yeah, so I'm laid up with this one honey last night. Like, that's where I think when I tell all my stories. I can tell them like a bullshit story like

Butter. But, but, but now, those were, those are definitely dope movies. I want to say, Jerry is funny. Obviously, I know everybody loves entourage. I remember going through my fourth year in the league. I was leaving Indiana Pacers.

I lost my qualifying offer. So I was kind of like floating. You know what I mean? And I remember basically talking to my agent. We're trying to like wait around, get me in the right position. And like, man, they might not do this or they might not do that. And I had to pull like a Vincent Chase moment and be like, I'm not getting a star rolls anymore big dog like you know what i mean but like that was some real like shit and just the roots

and like literally getting it out the mud and like i had to go to like boston for two years and i was able to sign for a 70 million dollar contract just like taking a step back but like when i was looking for like signs like that was one of them i remember being like shit if vincent chase can do it and his homie see the impact jury that you well no but it brings me to like a question that i i've asked athletes in the past and I still haven't gotten kind of I got a great answer from Zion one time but so I was out in Knicks game one night it's like two years ago fortunately they I think I only still act so I could get those court side seats I really think I would never act again and after the game CJ was on that team right and then after the game Zion like I feel a big pat on my shoulder like one that's like

that's not like my buddy pat me it was like an overly big person and I'm like oh I this video this and like he kind of comes close. He's like, I just went to say I just started watching Entourage when I was hurt all year last year and I was like

in a dark place and it kind of brought me out and I wanted that I kind of like asked him like what did you like about the show and he gave me a decent answer but I ask you it's like athlete you would think actors

maybe like the show no for me for whatever reason athletes it resonated with athletes significantly more than with actors or directors or anyone in the movie business and I always wonder why

and even that story you're telling me though like it was like the Ari Vince relationship that you kind of identified with. And I think also, too, just outside looking in, I think it kind of humanized what we were going through, you know? Like, I'm a kid from the hood. So, like, when you're pushing me through stuff,

it's like, if y'all thought you were from Queens and broke, like, I'm from the other side of track so they, like, they cut off everything. So you felt? Right. So, like, when he came around, I'm trying, it kind of helped me understand my agent. It kind of helped me understand, like, my friend group of how to move. But at the same time, be unapologetic for, like,

enjoying my life. And, like, I think a lot of times when it came down to it, it'd be like, oh, no, you didn't feel so niggerish living your life because Vince was enjoying himself living his life or, like, these dudes were going through real things. And, like, at the same time, it was okay to be yourself as opposed to be a brand. And I thought that shit was, I thought that shit was dope and, like, shit, like you said, like, they did a great job of just, like, every time you put it on, it felt like a sunny day. And it could be, like, snowing outside or whatever but like the shit was just it did so much for me bro and i just thought like vince and like the loyalty you all have was like something that like you really need it because coming from

like a stark like situation you don't understand how much your group your friends or like your environment really pumps you up and like carries you over the hurdle when like you forget who the fuck you are or like and also how that can go wrong though like how some time you see the wrong the wrong group kind of you know wrong dudes get brought along and We've seen that story before, too, which to me always hurts when you just see that someone just getting taken advantage of because they had their winning ticket and then everyone's along for the ride. And it's just for bad reasons, you know. Well, I know we got to get you out of here in a minute. I want to ask right before we let you go.

So one of the things you do for me, hey, I, your Twitter account's awesome. It's like a must follow. Oh, I got a lot to see you. I just because like I love, you know, we're in an era where like a lot of, you know, even now current active. players talk on podcasts and stuff and they're always kind of just getting their story out and then great that's great I think that's a good thing

you you could tell you still watch and you keep up and you just kind of keep it real and talk on it so I want to ask one question it's like the only real basketball question not prediction stuff I feel like the West look it's OKC it's Denver it's Houston and by the way

put my Lakers up there your Lakers sure sure the layer we go right but yeah I'm a Nix guy, and you played, you know, for Indiana, you played for the Celtics, the Sixers. What is going on in the E? I can't for the life of me figure out. Like, what team when you watch that you look? I know you got some Bulls loving you.

What team when you watch, you're like, that team could make it, that team can make it. Because I think the East is the most wide open it's ever been. Yeah. No, the reason why I say this for sure, the Knicks. I definitely did the Knicks. I'm a Celtics fan, so I like the Celtics for sure. Yeah. Phelan Brown just crushed the Knicks last night.

And I hate this team with all my heart, but I'm not a haying ass dude. I really think the 76ers, if they get it together, can make it to the Eastern Conference. I know. I hate them, too. Because, yeah, because your third best, like, your second, if the second best player is Joel and B, your third best player or fourth best player is Paul George, you got a loaded nine or ten, and Maxie is hooping like Iverson. Yeah.

Like, bro, that boy is not missing, bro, and I hate the Sixers. But I'm literally like, hey, it's the second they get back and Nick Nurse can, like, coach. Like, I also think if, like, Tatum came back, they could make it off the East. That's how easy the East is this year. Like, do you know what I mean? So, like, I'm giving it up to, like, Maxie's on a different level. Right. Every time you come on the TV and watch, bro, he's scoring everything.

Just pay attention. Every time you turn on TV for the Sixers, watch how often he scores. It looks like a highlight tape. Like a joke. averaging 33 right now. Well, the thing that, first of all, I always with the fit, you have your own reasons for hating on Philly. I get it. I mean,

we're not going to talk about that season when they had. They traded you, though, but they were 15 and 50, so we could leave that out for now. But I just always say, like, I tweet a lot about basketball. You could say anything to me on Twitter, I don't care. Like, you cannot offend me. It's almost impossible.

The only people to ever almost make me quit Twitter was 70s. sixer fans during the next six to playoff series. They were hitting my career where I grew up, my mom, my bro, everything. I'm like, my feelings are genuinely hurt, you asshole. Yeah, it's really brother me love. Like, it's almost funny because you see him in the street. Oh, because you see him in the streets.

And you're like, bro, you don't care. You just, I'd be under killed myself last night. And they'll just laugh harder. And it's like, this is a cousin's house you don't want to go to, bro. You know what I mean? It's like. Yeah, they're different. And it's just, it's hilarious.

And it's just Philadelphia. man. And, like, I mean, it threw snowballs as Santa. Like, it just is what it is. Like, you know what I mean? I think it could be worse.

You just got to have, you got to have cities like that to appreciate, to appreciate Detroit and Memphis, you know? Well, dude, we appreciate you. I got to come back because I have like nine, I didn't even get to pitch you

my bad idea about the commissioner cup, but whatever it's called, the Emirates Cup that I wanted to pitch you. Give me one. Give me one. I want to hear. Well, you know, look,

I love that the players playing to get some money. we see Josh Hart unfortunately got robbed for the buck 50 in his hotel and since then he in the Emirates Cup he's been putting up on 2012 and 8 that dude wants that money back. That's like yeah he cares he's been a demon in those emiric cup games uh all right

real quick one ready winner of the cup gets home court advantage throughout the playoffs regardless of seed shut up Rob I'd say it was a good idea I said you're diminishing the whole regular season no for sure but

games to matter right we want these games to matter no absolutely too when you this is coming from a guy that always played on the middle of the pack team like you know what i mean and we sit here you'll be like hey we're not tripping but i shot 23 throws a whole season and james hard and shot 25 last night like cool that's that's fine that's all good you know what i mean like damn okay i got to play verse four of the best players in the history of basketball and go into state cool you guys hold off three years reserved three, four years so we can all watch a Cavaliers Warriors thing. Okay, cool. Like, that's like, no, bro, throw me a

fucking bone every now and that, all right? Like, put something low enough for the rest of us. I got something. I got another one. Winner winner gets auto six seed. That's a grass. You would think that, but you would think the team

that win might not need it. Well, hear me out. Look at the teams that have got. You would think the teams that auto succeed won't need it. But the teams that usually win the cup don't need the 60. They're usually well above the six seed. I'm a bulls fan. I guarantee you they started off so well

and possibly mixed in Cups Cup games. I guarantee you they'd be a playing team by the time of this, but they could win the cup. You know what I mean? They could have been, they could have had his status to win the cup. I don't like that whole court thing though. You like that home court. Why not? Imagine Gaydon is an eight seed, but you're

playing the thunder. You got home court advantage. What a really. That's like the baseball all-star game. The winner gets home field in the world series. That's in the world's series. That's ridiculous. Yeah, that was tough. But anyway, you're the man, bro. Have you. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Hit me up when you're on the West Coast, dude. All right, bro. I definitely will, man. She's doing your thing, man. Thanks for thinking on me. Eddie, she's doing your thing, bro. All right. Annie Agar joining the show, courtesy of

Twisted Tea as she does every week, grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Not that Annie grabs a refreshing twisted tea every day. I didn't mean it like that. She's joining us. I might. I might just I might make this podcast this dominant performance. She's back for more Twisted T trivia. Matt trying to just continue his no-doubter playoff season.

Like Matt's officially like a playoff team in Twisted T trivia. I'm scrambling. I was trying to think like what team on most life. I feel like I'm like the Texans just trying to make like a late rally after a horrendous start. I just saw something today.

It said if they lose to the, if the Chiefs lose the Texans, they have a 12% chance of making the playoffs. So, you guys, have you really paid attention to this week 14 slate? If you want to talk about basically the playoffs starting today, you got Cowboys Lions in on Thursday night. Like both those teams have to win if they want to get in. Steelers Ravens, similar situation.

Colts, Jags, division on the line potentially. And the Colts suck inject. Like the Bengals bills, it's not necessarily as on. Bears Packers. Bears Packers is like, you know, Annie, too, like everyone now is now talking and getting like, this is one of the greatest rivalries in sports, but when was the last amazing Bears Packers rivalry? Right.

This is the first one in years, decades. Oh, yeah. Well, since Aaron, everybody said, oh, it's not even a rivalry anymore because he just owned him, you know? Yeah, he shushed them. Yeah, I don't remember going into a game with the Bears having the advantage or like the advantage of the, the, um, the guys, the pressure. being on us?

Yeah, I don't really remember that. You guys are six and a half points favorites. Yeah, I know. I know, which scares me a little, but I saw that. That's a fishy line. I don't like that. I know. I think it's only because it's at Lambo, but.

Yeah, but still, it's a fishy, fishy line. I still don't think people are just like the bears. It's like one of those things. It's like, are they that good? I think people still don't buy that. Caleb, I still think their passing game is not great. You don't go not in that win last week. You got to say that.

Two running backs averaged over six yards to carry against the Eagles. Two running backs. I'm stressing. I think it has been smoking mirrors up to last week, but they kick the Eagles' ass. And they beat the Eagles where the Eagles are almost impossible to beat on the line of scrimmage, like bold-sized balls. And Ben Johnson goes shirtless in the post-game celebration.

He's kind of Jack. Will he be the first coach? You know what I love? I love when players to show that Lambeau's not cold, they go out there shirtless, right? Will Ben Johnson be the first coach to go out shirtless to prove that the cold weather? don't bother them.

What are any free hot dogs and hand out here? Why does anyone, Mark Ingram talks about that. He's like, so stupid. I play with guys and I'm like, man, I'm trying to be comfortable and warm. I was going to say. It's the dumbest thing that players could do. College guys do it all the time. And it's like, it's the silliest thing in my opinion.

Yeah. Yeah. When I see like, quarterback's wear sleeves, I'm like, yeah, put it on, cover your arms. Be comfortable. Be warm. Why would you not? If I was the, if I was an NFL player, I would be the biggest cold. weather just scared. My hands are being warmer. I'd have

warmers. Those big parts of my body. There's nothing better. The big coats. I remember we were in that Blizzard game in New England, like in 08. And it was probably 20 degrees in freezing and snowing. But those seats have heaters. I was on that thing with my hands under my ass the whole time with a big coat on, just sitting there. Like, please don't have to go in the game. I actually ended up playing in that game. But yeah, oh, it's so nice on the sideline. Former Packer, Will Blackman, former giant, good DB, has this great story about like his first real cold weather game in Lambo and he just didn't want to like seem like it was cold. So he kind of went up to Favre and was like, man, this is fun, right? This is on Favre's

like, no, it's fucking cold out. He's like, the minute I saw Favre was cold, all the blood drained out of my body. So I think it's an age thing too. You get to a certain age. Like I'm in not saying that I'm older anything. You're not at that age yet, Annie. No, but I'm getting there. I'm cold. I don't want to go outside. If I'm going to be cold for even five minutes, I'm, nope, I'm over it. When you start getting injuries because it's cold, like Matt, when it's cold, Matt's fucking hips probably sees up, but he can't bend down.

All the metal in my body just starts tingling, dude, my shoulders, my head. I have two questions for you guys before we get started. And I'm going to phrase them as more likely. Okay. You guys just choose, okay? And they're selfish questions because of the two teams I watch the closest in the way, Giants and Browns. First, more likely.

Giants will have a rookie head coach or a vet head coach. Ooh. Could be Mike Tomlin if the Steelers parways. Wouldn't that be insane? You know, yes, everyone's talking now about Shula with the Rams and that defense. McCarthy could be a vet. I would probably lean toward a vet over just for the possibility or like the options or more. What do you think, Matt?

Hmm. That's a great question. Yeah. Sidebar for you, man. By the way, Dayball might get the Penn State job, guys. That would be sick. That would be crazy. Because Sataki's out.

It was kind of like Dayball's in the mix. Oh, good. He deserves a great job. That'd be good for college football. I don't know. I kind of like the rookie just kind of creating a little bit of an energy and a spark and a youthful type like, you know, like energy. Because they got those young dudes out there.

I don't know. That's true. I would go defense. I would go. I would go a defensive-minded head coach and go get a great offense coordinator. If ever a time, whoever it is, rookie or vet, and obviously they're not rookies.

Like if you go get Shula from the Rams, the DC. But, Matt, have you ever had a teammate literally miss meetings more than Abdul Carter? Like, this is now the second time. Yeah, and they got cut. He's been benched for the first quarter. Did you guys see the tweet? Oh, he fell for it, right?

Yeah. He fell for it. The fake Giants account. Go ahead, Annie. Set it up for us. It got me for a minute. Set it up for Matt. You didn't see it.

I don't know if I could say this on the pod. There was a reason he was watching, somebody tweeted out, the reason that he was set out the first drive is because he had an issue in a meeting where he was watching an adult film, I'll say. There's like a reporter account. And his headphones disconnected during the meeting is what they said. So the tweet was always hilarious.

And it was put out by a guy that has like a picture that looks like he's a legit reporter. And it says in his bio like giant's reporter. And the world fell for it. so much so that he came out and tweeted and said, do you guys believe this shit? Like, this is. He probably just slept through it, man. Like that, I've been a million guys have done that.

You get fined, you know. And if you're a first round pick, nothing's going to happen. But if you're like a seventh round or something, a couple times, you're gone. Yeah. Well, they got to do something. They didn't have that in college, not that I ever slept through class. Tom Coughlin would never stand for that. Second, more likely,

2026 football season for the Cleveland Browns. Who's most likely to be taking the first team snaps? Shador Sanders or Deshawn Watson, who I believe was just like cleared to practice. Deshawn Watson. Yep. Deshawn Watson. And what a story like to prove again,

we're in a simulation that like, could you not see this story on ESPN? Like Deshawn Watson lights it up through four games and all of a sudden it's like... I don't even remember the last time I watched it. play. Because he hasn't played in forever. Can't even remember. Yeah. Well, those are my two more

likely. But I agree. I think like nothing says like if you're writing a script, the better script is now Deshawn Watson's like a relevant NFL quarterback. Yeah. That's crazy. All right, Annie. Let's get to my old, my torture for the week. Trivia. I have to win this one. It's a must win. Buddy, you have to win everyone. I don't even think you can

win everyone from ground. Every game is a must be game for Jerry. We got a lot of weeks. We got like seven weeks left. Six weeks left. I will preface this by saying Eddie is now on my, he's on my list, our producer, because all of these questions relate to the Bears. So thank you for that, Eddie. Thank you for that little momentous moment. It's going to be great.

Okay, it is Bears Packers Week, guys. Are you ready? Yep. First question. Who was the only Chicago Bear to ever win MVP? Walter Payton? Yep. Wow, Jerry.

God, that seemed like too easy. I know. I was thinking Gail Serre. Why was I thinking Gail Sir is not Walter Payton? Walter is too easy. Okay, question number two. Who is the quarterback? The last time the Bears were a one seed in December?

Rex Grossman? Yeah. I didn't think that was that was a year we beat that we played them. Oh, that's real fair. Hey, Matt, this week you're playing the one seed in the NFL, Rex Grossman. The last time they went to the Super Bowl, dude. They went to the Super Bowl that year and they played Peyton Manning and the Colts. I'm assuming that's the year, 06.

You gave Matt a question involving a game that he was in, essentially. That he played. Yeah. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. One, one. Who, okay. You wouldn't have got that anyway. It was either Grossman or Cotler. That was it.

It was one. It could have been Kyle Orton. No way. No way. Who was the last Chicago Bear to win rookie of the year? Oh. Cleo Mac. Nope.

Good, good guess, though. Oh, no? Defense a rookie of the year? The last Chicago bear to win rookie of the year. Oh, I have a horrible guess. I have a horrible guess. Then we're back to even. We can keep going.

Yeah, take it again. Matt Forte. Nope. See, I went, I went niche. I tried to catch him. Okay, we get a hint. It's a, well, this is a Chicago hint. I don't know if you guys will get this one or not.

It's on every billboard on your way out to O'Hare. I'll tell you that. He is on every single billboard. He's a very well-known name. There's a play on words with O'Hare is why he's on every billboard. It was in 2000, I'll tell you that. I don't know if that helps.

2000? Two thousand. Chicago Bears. Very well-known name. Yeah. Bears, rookie. Offense or defense? Brian Arlocker.

Yep. Yeah. Let's go. Oh, that was good. Yeah. Yeah, with the whole going bald thing, his O'Hare is literally every billboard on the way out there is Locker. Okay, 2.1.

Now we have two pictures. What college did he go do, Jerry? Um, why am I blanking? New Mexico. Okay, keep going. That's like that anyway. Matt, by the way, I shot two scenes with Brian Erlocker on Entourage. So don't act like I don't know about Brian Erlock.

I'm just asking what college he went to. So technically, we should get mad about that because. Oh, yes, you should get mad. Me and him had to intimate. conversation. You have it, right. Okay. First picture, who is this bear's player? Roma Dunzee. Yep. Good. The hit was going to be something about his dad, but good. I didn't need to go that far. Not fair. I think we're tied up. How is that not fair? He's their receiver now. I mean, yeah, 2-2. Last question. Who is this Bears player?

Oh my gosh. This is a tough one, because this didn't look like him for a second to me. Oh, it's DeAndre Swift. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was. I thought it was, but then you talked to me out of it. You talked to me out of it.

This is what happens every week. You go up to one and I just slide in in the fourth quarter, bro. I thought it was DeAndre Swift, and everybody was like, no, it doesn't look. It's not him. Well, done. Well, everybody, meaning who? You just. He looks like a middle linebacker.

I knew it was a running back. He looks like a middle linebacker right there. Well, Jerry, you're down 11 to 3, bud. 11 to 3 in weeks. But the total questions is a lot closer. Buddy, it's 38 to 25. I mean, I'm killing you. Is it?

Yeah, dude. Just add. Use your math right there. He can add. We got a long way to go. We got a long way to go. And you keep with your prize. Do I get a prize, Annie, for winning this?

Yeah, we have to figure out with that. That is, yeah. We haven't figured that out. He gets a case of Twisted T. Well, I think, I think Jerry, we should make Jerry do something. Jerry something funny at Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah. We were going to do something like a more of like a punishment for the loser instead of a. Yeah, that makes sense.

Easy to ask this when you have a nice cushy lead. This is like, you know who would not like you, Matt? Michael Jordan would not like you. Michael Jordan didn't like the guys who talk trash when they were up 20 points. You know who you talk trash when you're down 20 points. Do you want me to start giving you strokes? Like, what do you want me to do here? I want nothing.

I want nothing. We need a handicap for too. I want absolutely nothing. I'm going to get you. Don't worry. I got you right where I want you. I am not worried one bit, dude. I mean, I just come on here and just, I mean, it's like no prep, nothing.

Rex Gross. What are you going to prep for in trivia? I mean, just. Without knowing the topic. All right. Well, thank you, Twisted Tea. Everybody grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today. I really got to get one on the show next week because I got to drink my trouble.

away. Annie, thank you very much. Go enjoy viewing. Big week for you, Annie. We have a good new TV situation happening. I may not be showing my face if the outcome is not what I wanted because I'm in the city of Chicago. So not be good for me. Well, you're going to get a lot of material for your video this week. So I can't wait for it. All right. Thank you, Annie. We'll see you next week. We'll see everybody next week.