Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - The Champ Is Here!

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

This week Matt and Jerry catch up on their adventures traveling before the holidays and Jerry shows off his newly earned hardware as the 2025 Celebrity Shootout Winner at the Derek Jeter Invitational. The dynamic duo also discuss their holiday plans, their favorite and most hated holiday traditions. Later things get a little misty as they discuss their favorite gifts ever. Then, Jerry states his case for the newest NBA Cup Champions, the New York Knicks.  Finally Annie Agar joins to talk the end of the Chiefs dynasty, Jerry’s hate for fantasy football and another round of Twisted Tea trivia.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s  Join Team Tendy’s and enjoy a line-up like never before. Crispy. Juicy. Tendys Now at Wendy’s. https://www.tendys.com  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  NHTSA Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over https://www.nhtsa.gov/campaign/drive-sober-or-get-pulled-over?utm_source=sinclair&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=labordayimpaired2025&utm_content=custom_alcohol  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Your boy is the new. Yeah, dog. Derek Jeter, invitational champ. It's got to be one of the greatest feelings Jerry Farr's ever felt in his entire life. And I'm proud of you, buddy. All right. All right, welcome.

It's another episode of the throwback. Maddie Ice Maddie New York Maddie New York What a place I'm on location You were just on location I am in the Bahamas

I am at The thing I talk about Probably once a week For the last year to you Matt I'm at the Derek Jeter Invitational We're at the Derek Jeter Invitational

I know I've heard it I get it dude I got to be here I'm finally here We have a really fun story coming up for it But I was just thinking to something, because you had a, you had a, like,

halacious travel back, right, with the boys. You and the family went to New York, and it was just one of those marathon. Like, we may not get home for Christmas. You would just stop. So, we went to New York this past weekend, and my wife, it was,

I could talk about for a long time, it was great, right? We did all the touristy stuff. We lined it up, F.A.O. Schwartz, Rockefeller, Ice skating, Central Park, Broadway, all of these things. The boys were great. I, I, I, would say this my advice to parents trying to go to new york in December it is magical it is great having a four and five year old is the most anxiety and stress that we have had as parents

because like you talk about home alone you get lost you get lost in new york they're home alone yeah like you just like you got to hold their hand every second of the day so that part was was stressful but um my wife created an incredible weekend so the travel day dude so the storm hit like Saturday night. Snow. It wasn't, it was like windy snow, right? It wasn't like, oh, cute little snow. Let's go walk around. And then Sunday through about 11. So anyway, we get to the airport. We're flying out about 1.30 Eastern. We take off from the gate. Everything is going good. And then for some reason, you know, like, you just, we know when you sit for like an hour and you get something's up. And you're like, is it maintenance? Is it, is it like what? Something's wrong. Because we're, we're away from the gate. We're ready. And basically like,

There was a long line for deicing. Flights were getting canceled left and right just throughout the day. And then we hit our time limit. We were out there for three hours. Once you had three hours, you have to go back to the gate if you don't take off because it's like, you know, it's a law or something. The problem was we didn't have a gate for another two and a half hours. We were in the plane for six hours on Sunday with, by the way, my boys were fantastic.

They had their iPads. They were great. This is how long we were in a plane for. We are literally sitting there. And we'd come back to the gate to get out. And Cannon goes, Daddy, do we land at home? I was like, bro, buddy, we're going to, we're going to go stay in a hotel in Queens right now. And we're going to get up at 3 a.m. to take a shuttle back to the airport for a 6 a.

in flight and hope we get out. By the way, delayed two more hours on Monday morning to get home. So it was like a 36 hour day. It was brutal. We made it. The boys were great. I don't handle those situations very well. I got to be honest with you.

I was fine on Sunday. Monday I thought we were going to get hit again because we had maintenance issues on the plane and when you hear maintenance I'm like ready to just let's not do the flight if there's maintenance that was my experience great happy to be home

well I'm glad you made it back my trip is almost over you know I figure I have a good story to tell and we always do our NITSA kind of crossroad moment and it's kind of a crossroad for me but we're going to basically do this as a full segment so shoutouts

the NHTSA, I want to say, we're doing it's crossroad, crossroads presented by NHTSA. The next time you're out drinking, call a ride chair, a taxi, a sober friend, designated driver. The only decision that will change your world for the better is a decision to call for a sober ride.

Drive sober or get pullover. So, Maddie. What do you got? I did something for the program, for the show. I think I did a good thing. So, you know, Jeter Tournament, Turn 2 Foundation, They do wonderful things for a lot of kids coming into their 30th year doing it, whole setup.

And again, if you love baseball, and there's a lot of other athletes there and entertainers, but if you love baseball, especially 90s baseball, forget it. It's Ken Griffey Jew and your Jeter, Cliff Floyd, Andrew Jones. It's awesome. Everyone you ever want to meet in baseball specifically from the 90s. So after you play your first charity round, a scramble, they do something called the Celebrity Shootout, right? they gather all the celebrities, which are just Hall of Fame baseball players

and a few, you know, actors, and everyone from the tournament, about 200 people, gather around this par three, and they hit a shot, and it's closest to the pin, right? Like J.R. Smith won it last year. And I've been daydreaming for years

of not even just winning. I'm like, I would love to get... I would love to get a whole, like imagine getting a hole in one and turning around and just staring at Derek Jeter. Yeah. It'd be awesome. But also, you get roasted the entire time by Anthony Anderson and Chris Tucker. They are on the mic making fun of you before you hit your shot.

So I'm not excited to hit this shot. I'm not saying like, oh, pick me. I hide in the back. You know how short I am. I can't see over anyone. I was standing behind C.C. Sabathia. They do. So now before me, Anthony Mackey gets up.

Captain America, bro, gets up to the team. And please follow along. We'll post this on throwbacks. You know, Anthony's in good shape. Jack, dude, a lot of swing speed. He hits a shank so bad. And there's camera shots where it doesn't just like whizze people. It crosses in front of someone's eyes.

It was like a warning headshot. And if it would have hit this person, that would have been a really, really bad day. So they're all going to move everyone to the left or back. I know you've hit someone, right? Oh, yeah. On live TV. Fine, though. But mine was like 1.30 out.

I overshot the green. I just hit a kid right in the thigh. It's like a bouncer, right? No, I had it right in the thigh. Was the bullet or was it like? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. Not off the tea, thank God.

And then, okay, so I watch that and then that's implanted in my brain. And now I'm really getting nervous. And I'm at my crossroad. And then a few people go and then Jha Rule gets up. Jarl rule is the musical performance for the show later on. I think Jod just started playing golf. Yeah, you can tell. this one, I want to talk about the word viral.

This one is everywhere. You've probably seen it if you're listening or watching. If not, look it up. He hits a shank that thankfully was not going as fast as Anthony Mackey's and it hit the camera. He hit it backwards almost. It was like completely vertical. It was completely vertical. Four camera dude who probably thought no one's going to hit me here gets drilled right in the arm.

Fortunately, he's okay. And Jah was a good sport about it and all that. So now I'm just like, I kind of. let's just get this thing over with and they call my name where's jerry and auntie anderson starts making fun of me right away nick swisher's yelling at me that i like work out with my wife make in front of me all these guys are like all right 145 yards little downwind your boys got a nine iron and i did have to back off twice because chris tucker was just clowning me but then i just got up there i essentially closed my eyes swung and i hit it to about 11 feet right everyone

goes nuts. Yeah, that's a good shot. But then I got a sweat out. Next on the T. Michelle Wee. What? All right. The dream's over.

That was fun while it lasted. She kind of hits it short. I had to sweat through Michelle Wee. You know Martinez. Nick Swisher. C.C. Sabathia. And then I think it's fine. Connolly gets it.

Connolly hit right after John Rule. Finally gets like, I think it's done. And then Chris Young, last player to hit. Chris is a stick, bro. I'm like, oh. He hits it to like 12 and a half feet. And your boy is the new. Yeah, dog.

Derek Jeter, invitational champ. It's all worth it. It's all worth it. This is one of the greatest things I've ever accomplished in my life. I know. Bro, I know. Trust me. It's standing in front of all of those Hall of Famers,

Derek Jeter, the captain, famous actors, comedians. And just to stripe one 10 feet to the pin. bro it's got to be the great outside outside of a hole in one it's got to be one of the greatest feelings jerry frar's ever ever felt in his entire life well i'm proud of you buddy i'm proud of you i got the classic jeter like the you know one used to make like a big play or something i got the classic jeter thing now everyone starts calling me champ everywhere i'm going charles oakley what's up champ you walked into dinner you walked into dinner that night with your head with your hell

me bring the belt to the jaw rule before. Yeah. So now I'm going full heel. Next year, I'm going to fly back with his belt. And I'm going to walk in. Yeah, you're defending chat, bro. I'm going to walk in like Rick Flair, bro. Sunglasses.

I might even take my shirt off. So that was my crossroad. It's one of the greatest things that ever happened to me. Shout out to Knitsa. Thank you for telling, for letting me tell that story through this segment. There's nothing better than sticking a great golf shot. Even if you're just playing with your boys. But when you're doing it in front of an audience, especially like that against, you know, players you watch growing up, Yankees, like, and to not shit, dude, I'm telling you, I get goosebumps.

Because I can, I can, I've been in that situation, not, I didn't, I didn't hit a ball nearly as good as you, but I've been in that situation, the feeling of everybody watching you and just like, don't mess this up, don't mess this up. But then to just nut it right there, dude. proud of the only other thing that could have made this horribly wrong was once it was like oh and you beat out michel we yeah but she's awesome once it was like okay i won it i'm sort i'm starting to walk out to get the belt and connelly who was more jacked up than me bro he takes a running star and pushes me from behind to get out there and i almost face planted like i had to catch my balance he pushed me so it's on video he pushed me so hard my neck whipped back and Like, you would have ruined my moment because I would have just face planted on the 12 feet box.

Yeah, you would have hurt your back for sure. But, man, the jaw rule thing, I, you've got to wonder, you probably got to think 50 cents going to want to weigh in on that shot, right? I mean, it's going to be at some point. I just think next year, or Jeter's just going to have, you got to, you got to, like, you could literally kill somebody doing that, dude. Like, you could literally kill them. So you got it, you got to eliminate the, the people on the side, put everyone in the back. Or wear some type of fucking helmet Most nerve wracking for sure

But I still say The sickest thing And I actually told this story To Jeter And Connolly The sickest thing I ever seen anyone do Was you play in that hockey Without without being like

Yeah I played hockey for like 10 years as a kid That's still the sick That's the sicko thing of the year I've ever seen anyone do Yeah That took a lot of balls And the whole time Looking back it took a lot of balls

Yeah The whole time too I just remember I just remember sitting back there and by the way I'm like six nine in skates dude so like it's like yeah I'm sitting back there I'm just like

and I skate like I'm like I can skate okay like I can hold my own skating right sure I'm I'm playing against Theo Flurry Mark Messier and Peké Soupan we're on the line in front of me I was like Theo Fleury I grew up watching when he played for the Calgary

Flames Mark Messier's top two or three players of all time Peket Suban is one the greatest defensemen's of all time and still young. I'm like, what am I doing out here, dude? I had no clue. That's like one where it's like,

did your team not tell you, hey, Matt, maybe you shouldn't do this. Well, I was not the worst skater on my team. It was, it was,

gosh, I can't remember his name. He was the worst. He was way worse than me. So that got me through it because I'm like, oh, I'm not that bad. I'm actually like,

well, I look okay. They all trolled me the whole time too because you got the invite to the Jeter. Hopefully you can make a next year,

but they were like, where's, where's Liner? We invited them. I'm like, oh, you couldn't come this year. And they're like, oh, we really could have used them this year. The whole time, it was like, we really could have used math to here this year. Like, they were pretending like they were super let down. So you have to come next year. Could it use me for what?

I don't know. I think they were just trying to. They need some football presence there. They do need a little football presence there. But I'm a guy, man. I'm a baseball player at heart. So that would have, I love that. Are you kidding?

I love all those guys. I grew up watching all those guys. I mean, my defining moment, because I'm a 90s, Yankees kid, my opening practice round was, round. It was me and Connolly paired with Tino Martinez and Bernie freaking Williams, bro. And if you, that's like Yankee porn if you're a 90s, Yankees kids. That's straight up. Tina Martinez, they're both, I mean, they're both fantastic. Maddie, we're going to do, we're going to do a little Christmas kind of lightning around

stuff. And then, um, and then we're going to hit our Wendy stuff before. And then we got we got Annie Agar, of course, joining us. us for some twisted trivia. Maybe we could argue some more about who gets their answers in quicker. So I have a few Christmassy things. Tis the season. I'm a firm believer

and you want to talk about Christmas like the week before because next week we're all just going to be living the shit. So let's talk about it now. So guess my first sort of question to you because this is something I get into a lot of people. You know, we're grownups at this point.

What other adults in your life get Christmas presents at this juncture, this stage of life. My dad. Your dad? That's it. I feel like I don't have very many left with him. So I'm like, Pop, what do you want? He wanted a, and he's going to listen to this.

He already knows. He wanted a custom pool stick because he loves playing pool. So I was like, hell of you. I'm going to get you a pool stick. What you want? You want your name engraved on it? What do you want? Dodgers colors?

He's like, no, just give me a nice person. No, no, just get me a good pool stick. Yeah, I think it gets, I don't know when that's, stopped. I mean, other than, like, my wife and I aren't doing gifts for each other this year. We kind of just said, hey, let's not, let's take a little trip because we need a trip by ourselves. Let's take a little trip after the holiday, like a little weekend or up to, you know, like, Napa or wine country or just like go relax. But like, it, the, it hasn't, I don't, I'm a, I'm a bit, I get so much free swag, dude. So I just, I'll just stuff a bunch of bags with, like,

the hoodies I get. Re-gifter. And I just re-gift, dude. Or, or a, I, just give it to people because they like it. They appreciate it. But yeah, dude, we don't really do that. Like, when did you and your brother stop? Like, I early on, like 18 years old, and I used to get my brother like, we still kind of do like a gift card or something. But like at some point, I just looked them in the face and I said, I'm not a good gift giver. I like giving gifts. I'm not, like just tell me what you want. I don't want to guess and get you something that you don't want at all. I'd rather get you something you want. And at some point, I remember being like 19 years old. I'm like, Anthony, I'm not getting you any birthday gifts or Christmas gifts. It's over.

If there's something I see that I think you should have, I'll get it for whatever. It's over. I don't need this pressure. You know what the problem has become and is as your family, like family, and I don't know if, I don't know if, like, I know you guys have your crew in Cleveland and there's a lot of kids because you always see that. But like, it has become now that we give gifts to all our friends' kids. Because, yeah, that's the extension, but that's the extension. And I'm like, and I'm like, when did we start giving presents to all our best friends, 19 kids they have? Yeah.

They all, like, there's 47 kids and, like, we have to give, like, all my nieces and nephews, which again, it's fine. All my nieces and nephews get a gift. Our best friends, kids, kids, gift. This adds up to like 15 or 20 gifts we're giving to the kids now. And, again, Christmas is all about that. But I'm like, when did we go into, like, the first. friend circle of giving each other gifts. Can't we just hang out? Like, what, like, let's go

hang out on Christmas Day, go to the park. It's like, you know, play in the backyard. You know what I mean? I know Brie will always send me these like Instagram reels about like, here's like who the dad shops for. And it's like wife. And then here's who the mom shops for. Kids, dad. Like, true. But I just wouldn't get everybody. It's not that I don't want to do that. But I think you go too far. I always send back. I'm like, we'll stop getting everyone gifts and see what happens. I had this conversation with the wife this week. Someone told her that they give, you know, you give the kid's teacher a present. Like a little gift card, right?

Yes. Okay, that's, and which is great. Yes. Tradition, it's been around forever. And they deserve it. But now we're giving the PE teacher, the music teacher. Oh, you're branching out. The librarian.

Yeah. The front desk. Everybody. And I'm like, at, I'm like, where is that? And again, I feel bad saying that because, like, everyone is great. But, like, at what point does it end? Like, where do you stop?

I don't know. You might keep going. At some point, there's going to be a scholarship in your name at this school. Yeah, I'm like, what are we doing? What is, what is the worst Christmas tradition that you are a part of, that you maybe grew up having, maybe do it now for the Ferrara family? Well, you know, I grew up Italian Catholic, right? So for me, I'll go back to childhood. And I think we both probably have the same as an adult and I'll clear the floor for you on that one.

But childhood growing up, you know, and this is more like a religious thing. So I'm not trying to hate on the religious aspect, but you do the feast of the seven seas, right? It's this big giant fish salad that is like, it's calamari, it's squid. It's all, it do it's, it's, it's, it's. Yeah, that sounds awful. And, like, my grandparent, everyone, like, my mom, every, the, they love it.

And it's, it's not just a Italian, but, like, the Italians go, then they have the fish sauce after that. Oh, God. Oh, my brother and I, we don't eat fish at all, like no form of fish, cooked, uncooked, nothing. So, you know, everyone thinks, like, Christmas,

all the food for my brother and I, like my Aunt Celeste, who would host, would always make me, like, some mozzarella sticks and, like, chicken, a little chicken, palm. She doesn't order out separate because there would just be this giant bowl of every kind of thing from the sea you could ever see. So for me

I know there's religious things behind it. So I'm not saying like I hate No, I get it. Get rid of it. But that was always my hardest, worst part of Christmas. I can't even have like, I like fish. I can eat fish like in a nice dinner. If any food from the sea

touches my salad or touches another food I'm on my plate, I won't know. You're out. My wife is like, what the fuck is wrong with you? If salmon, like a cooked nice salmon is just on my bed of lettuce, I can't eat the lettuce. Yeah, it's disgusting. I can't even like one time.

It makes me want to gag, dude. One time, Bree, without a restaurant. And she was, she wanted me to taste this like artichoke dip thing or whatever. So she put her a fork in there and handed it to me. I'm like, you just had that in your salmon. I'm not eating all your food. I wouldn't even eat up or a fork. You don't even.

because she had some. What is, what's, what's yours? You could do present day or back in the day? We didn't have a lot of Christmas traditions back in the day. Like we had, you know, we had the family would come in, stay in our little house, which is awesome. Like, looking back. Um, I want, I mean, you and I are going to agree on this. We've talked about it, but the elf on the shelf, talk about too much. Where does it end? When did this fucking little guy become a part of? our lives. Like when? When did this start? I didn't have this as a kid. Did you? I don't have it either. Now, I do want to say this. I do want to say this before I start talking shit on the elf because it has, Christmas is magical for the kids, right? That's what you try and make. And Josie does a great job because she tries to make everything grand and magical and the memories. And I love it. It's the best part about Christmas in the month of this month. But the elf on the shelf, it's like, And the kids wake up now every morning.

Oh, by the way, dude, Ziggy, our elf, came to New York, bro. Came to New York. He brought him on the plane. Ziggy was sitting on the tarmac for six hours. Ziggy flew. Yeah, Ziggy was chilling down in the fucking down in the, under the plane. So what do you do? You have to put him in like a glass jar, right?

Or something. You can't touch him to ruin the Christmas magic? Yeah, no. Listen, it's just a lot. And it's just adds another. to the magic of Christmas and I love that because the kids get excited and that's really what it's all about

it's not about me it's not about my wife but I just don't know at what point this little fucking Keebler elf became a huge part of our life I'm genuinely now you send me you always send me these fucking DMs on Instagram

and I there's some real creative shit out there dude like some of these people go all in which I love seeing that's just not us and again I don't need I don't even I don't do the elf. I got into it last year because we've only my kids are young so I think we only

did it for the first time last year and you know great inspiration from TikTok and Instagram but I guess my big first of all you're just straight up lying to your kids like bottom line Oh yeah When you start doing the

Have you ever done the elf threat But we're pretty much lying to our kids About everything though Yeah but have you ever done the elf threat Like James stopped at the Chippies watch watching, like he's like some bouncer at a club. Jerry, we, we, we lie to our kids every day of their lives. I know. We threaten them with, we threat. You're not going to get a treat later.

Like, really? Okay. You need to go to your room or else you're not going to be able to watch TV. We both know you're going to watch TV. And Kason, by the way, my six year old who's like, like Bobby Boucher from Frickin Waterboy looks at me and he just looks at me with like, like he, like he, my son, is this this is my son really quick he is the he is the kid and he will be my teenager that would be like if i threaten him or like you know i'm like hey son or if i'm like hard on him like you want a spanking or whatever he will look at me and he'll be like do it dad do it i want to do it i want to feel it that's him dude oh you saw you saw a little glimpse of him dude but that's him he loves pain he loves it he was walking in new york at some point this weekend dude and he just

starts going like that. He just starts, he just starts like, yeah, like hitting his head. Like he's getting ready to like tackle a freaking running back in a game. I'm like, I look at Josie, I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with him? Well, I did see it with my own eyes when our

four boys are on the beat. Now, my kids were a little shell shocked by yours in a sense like, they're physical. They wrestle, but like, Casey he's so much bigger and stronger. At one point, all three kids are beating the shit out of Case and I walk over, boys,

that's part of his day. I was like, boys, come on, let's break it up. And Kaysen's like, they're fine. Oh, dude. He loves, he loves it. He loves pain, dude. He does, like, it's, honestly, it's, it's awesome because I just, I'll never question his toughness. Well, some, some people might say, oh, you got a football play. You might have either like a UFC kid or maybe.

Definitely not going to have a U.S. kid. Definitely not going to have a UFC kid because here's another funny story. We put him in taekwondo, or no, jujitsu, which is great for these kids. I don't know if the boys ever got a part of it. But like, I'm starting them. There's some great places right here. Like the Gracie family. Yeah. It's literally five minutes

away. Yeah. And we tried it. And Kaysen is big and strong and tough and care. But he's not a fighter. He's not a, he'd rather take it. He likes football. He likes that stuff. But like this little girl was in there and they get paired up. This was, he was four. And he's

so big. They get paired up. And this little girl is just beating him, the holds. And all this and he's just sitting there and like standing there like like what do i do dad and the instructor was like no you can like push her back like you know you do all this stuff like grapple and all these things and he just he doesn't have that instinct if like if someone hits him at school he's gonna he's he might cry he's gonna he's not gonna care but he's not he'll probably just go tell the teacher instead of my our rule obviously our rule is like if someone ever approaches you put hands on you you have our permission to you have our permission to hit them back always

Cannon will do that in a heartbeat. He'll actually start it. He's going to be the instigator. But anyway, no. So, yeah, he's not going to be in the UFC. But he's going to be, I told Josie this weekend, I said, I'm sorry, but we are going to have, we're going to have a linebacker. He also is a catcher in baseball.

He's just tough, dude. He's just like, he loves that shit, man. It's fucking hilarious. Well, maybe that's why he doesn't fight back because he knows, like, I could probably hurt this kid right now. Yeah, he has these outbursts where it's, like, kind of scary. Like, we're like, oh, God, I don't want to get hit by that fist. And he's only five.

Well, I was going to put this one, too, on my worst tradition list. But, you know, I have another way of working this in. But for me, is there shopping easier or worse with Amazon and all that stuff? Like, I'm very clear on this. Well, here's the thing. It's definitely easier. It's definitely easier. Now you've got to do all the boxes on it.

There is something about that I miss. And it's kind of like the whole thing of like you miss kind of going to the movie theater to go watch a movie, right? The popcorn, the Coke, like to sit in the theater and go out, right? That was like a write of passage, like whatever. I took my boys to the mall the other day just because I wanted to walk the mall, dude. I don't think I bought a couple things, but like I wanted to actually go shopping for Christmas. So like it's definitely easier and we do it 95% of the time.

but there's something about like back in the day like meeting your boys are going hey I want to go perfume smell at the counter going to get my girlfriend like a cubic saconial fucking necklace from Clairs or some shit like going into the mall and go shop for it like like you know you accomplish something you got you're productive

you got out there I do miss that so I do do that every once in a while but I mean yeah dude Amazon's easier but that's kind of one of my worst like I loved going to the mall as a kid like Staten Island Mall used to go and like see Wu-Tang. It was a hang.

It was incredible. But I did not like going to get a gift for the girlfriend at like teenage years. Like I just like I don't know. I have no idea what to get you. And like jewelry. I think every girlfriend when I was like a teenager and even like early 20s has probably returned any gift I've ever gotten them because it was just I'm never good or just has never worn it or done anything.

It took years for me to get good at that. So I missed the mall. I don't miss going to buy a gift for like some teenage girl. I didn't even know. No, yeah. I agree. Okay. Do you remember? Well, I'm going to go ahead.

No, you go. I'm just said, do you get, are you getting, do you get the wife gifts this year? We always say, let's not, let's focus on the kids. And similar, like, let's take a trip or like a good date. Like, let's make them, let's have an experience instead of a material thing.

Yeah, that's what it's all about. I think, I think, sorry, I think, life is like I see all these things pop up and I think this is great for parents to hear and like we get you know we get the toys and all that stuff but but creating experiences like my wife created this weekend it was fantastic and it's a lot right but you when you create the experiences those are things that your kids will remember forever they will remember the ice skating at Rockefeller they will remember the late night ice cream at you know serendipity they will remember Central Park, F.A.O. Schwartz and all that stuff. Where Josie stood in line for two

hours in the freezing cold just to get to be 10th in line. That's a mom shit right there. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was, it was just goat shit, right? And so like, that, that's the thing. And it's like, now you got to get the toys and all that, but that's what life should be about for the kids, because they'll remember it, man. Yeah, like, I remember the first, the first gift I ever got Bree, like, when we were dating for, like, a year or two. I think I got, I got her Chicago ones. I got her Jordan. Chicago ones. I got her grape fives because she was in like a Jordan kick for a minute

and I got her lingerie. Lerre. You got her lingerie? Well, this is 15 years ago, buddy. What type of long? What? I went into that store. There's a store in L.A. I guess it's still there. I don't know if people go to store. Victoria Secret. Agent provocateur. Right? And I walk into this place. And I don't know what

got into me because she didn't ask for lingerie. And I'm not that kind of guy. Like, I got you some sexy lingerie. It's not what I do, bro. But I was, I guess I was trying. to impress early on that like, whatever, I walk into the store and there's like these three really attractive women. They're like, hi, and there's lingerie everywhere. And immediately I walk in and I'm just like, hey, I get something for my girlfriend. They're like, obviously, did you like some scotch? Yeah, you were like nervous being in there. They pour me a glass of scotch in the store.

The moment I walked in and I chug it, I think they know dudes walk in and are insanely intimidated and nervous. They basically got me drunk and I just bought a bunch of lingerie that, that she ended up liking. But I went for years with, like, being a terrible gift giver now, Matt, if she mentioned something in passing, and hopefully she's not listening. But even in, like, July, if she's like, oh, you know, I really need, I need a new pair of on clouds.

I go buy it and I hide it. You just hide it. Because I won't remember. I won't, I won't be like, oh, this is my Christmas shopping week. I just buy it and I put it away. And then I just got to remember that I bought it for her. So hopefully she's not listening. What, so the, your word, the word elf on the shelf, I know we both agree, do you have another tradition that you guys do?

Fish out was the worst. And for me, it was, I was putting in, like, buying, uh, and also like the real tree stuff. Like, I'll get back to putting up a real tree one day. When the boys could, yeah, when the boys can help. It's the greatest. Oh, I married a girl from the Midwest. Do you know she wanted me? Yeah, you go cut the tree down, like Paul Bunyan. Physically cut the tree down. I never, I never cut a tree. I've never even cut. wood really before. I failed wood shop. What are you, what are we doing? You were, you were, yeah, you were smoking weed at 18. You weren't freaking, you've weren't, you've weren't cutting trees in New York.

In Brooklyn, you would go buy a Christmas tree in like a parking lot on the corner. Like you were going to buy weed, you'd go see the tree guy and you'd walk home with a little Christmas tree. That's how you bought a Christmas tree back in the day. So that was it for me on that. All right, let's have a few more and then we're going to do our

Wendy's read because I'm pretty excited for the Wendy's, but what we're going to discuss. on that um christmas officially the best sports day of the year has it hit best or is it working its way up because now we got a full NFL slate

and obviously the NBA is own Christmas forever and I think maybe they're both kind of staring at each other like whoa can we share this day I'm I'm trying to think here so we have cowboys commanders

lions Vikings Vikings Broncos Chiefs. Not really great games. The Chiefs not being in it, it hurts the slate for sure. Lions Vikings is meaningful. I think the Vikings are still technically in at this point. And they want McCarthy just to play well at this point. Get some momentum.

When you think of sports on holidays, like Thanksgiving, it's really just Thanksgiving, right? It's like people love Thanksgiving because you get football all day. You just get the lay around. It's like a, it's an easy, you're just lazy, right? It's an excuse to be like Christmas is such a great day. because you had NBA basketball, you just throw some games on in the background. Usually it's one of our teams, right? Lakers or someone who's warriors forever or a big market, right?

Like you always had a good game on. But now with the success of football last year on Netflix, like that was, remember, that was a big thing? It's like, is this a half-time show? Is it going to crash? Is it going to crash? Because everybody's watching it. It was amazing. Like, it was great. And so like, then there's like, well, football surpassed. It doesn't matter. Both can coexist on that day. It's the, as far as, like, the greatest sports day, like, there's, there's events and all that, but, like, I, it's got to be up there, dude, it's top two or three. I'm trying to think of, like, obviously, the equinox, right? When you got all them going at the same time. Super Bowl Sunday is a great day, right? Like, it's one game, but it's a great day. It's like, you have a party, you're laying on your couch. Like, it's just an excuse to be lazy and not move. But, man, Christmas with the kids playing of the toys in the background, you're having a nice glass. a wine or a couple beers and you're fucking watching a little NFL and you switch over to the NBA and you watch your Knicks take down somebody sticking thumbs and asses and shit like like you can like I'm sorry you know I just came up um yeah dude I think it surpasses the best sporting sport watching day of the year one of my best traditions that I sell used to have

long before kids and before Bree to a degree I'd always go L.A. to New York for Christmas I only spent one Christmas in L.A. I had no family out there so I always said I'm always going home to New York for Christmas. Christmas Eve family back in the day or a Christmas Day family? We were Christmas Eve because Christmas Day, all my cousins on my mom's side would then go to their dads. My mom had sisters. We'd go to their dad's side. My dad had passed. So Christmas Day was kind of just like a wash. We didn't really do much. So once I, in the entourage years, and I started going to a lot of bad Knicks games, Knicks always play on Christmas. So I'd always fly home for Christmas Eve. And then Christmas Day, I went to up six years in a row where I went to the Knicks

game on Christmas Day. And I will say, Matt, I know regular season basketball. We may discuss that in a second. A Christmas Day game is, there is a, being there is an added special element. Everyone's so happy to be there and like everyone's on a Christmas break and there's no school and maybe there's no work for a lot of people. So it's a really cool environment to go to an NBA Christmas game. I got to say. I think we're a Christmas Day family. I mean, Eve is nice. We're kind of mix and match. Like, growing up, we went to church on Christmas Eve. Again, all my relatives that would fly in across the country would stay with us. And then Christmas Day was just the day. With the kids now, like we do Christmas morning home. And then we kind of rotate amongst the families around like, oh, go to my cousins or my brothers or something. So I think we're hosting this year. So we'll have a full day of Christmas, which is fun. So they come over. We play games. watch that, the kids play in the backyard.

So I like Eve because we've last couple of years we've gone to friends houses locally here. And that's the best thing about where we live. It's just everything is just so like a small community. So we go, there's parties there. You can still go outside. Yeah, and you can still go outside. So, but Christmas.

Have you ever had the game fall on Christmas Day of, like college or no one of college? You would have been done. But any NFL games ever fall on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day for you? On Thanksgiving, right? Yeah. A couple times in Houston. Never in Christmas. The thing is when I was in college, we were always in bowl season and we were always like getting ready.

So like I never really had a Christmas. I didn't have like a traditional Christmas like you have growing up. Obviously you're in college. Like I never, I'm going back home for Christmas. No, like I was fucking practicing, you know, or I was getting ready for the Rose Bowl. Like or the national championship was always that week. So we would always leave like right after Christmas or the day before because you're out in the place for about a week. so it is it is special though dude christmas is i think it's my favorite holiday for sure

because of just especially having little kids i think it's it's uh it's right up there i'm a big Halloween person too i know some people aren't but um yeah but man let me tell you there was nothing better than being a kid and getting that video game you were hoping you would get and then you're off for like seven days from school and your boys come over all i do now literally half of my Instagram show. I just watch NHL 94 clips on Instagram. The greatest. Oh, on the Mount Rushmore video games.

Not to get like all serious and sentimental. No, let's do it. Let's do it. But you know Christmas. And so like for you and I, we're in a position where like, you know, like our families, like you work hard. You have a nice home. You can get them like pretty much what they, anything they want.

Very fortunate. Yeah. Very fortunate, right. But when you look back and you get that in Nintendo 64 or you get that Sega Genesis or you get whatever it was like the Xbox was a big one. I think I was like as a teenager, right? And like we didn't, we grew up very middle class, like just like whatever. And wondering how my mom and dad like thinking they had to save up probably or like budget it, right? You have to budget those things because like dude, the Xbox was like a couple hundred

bucks back then is a lot of money, man. Like so that always like makes me feel like why I love Christmas just because of all of, like, how we grew up, right? When you grow up with no money and you grow up, like, like, all those things. Like, you just appreciate that. So it makes you think, like, that's why, like, I, that's why I'm all about the experiences and creating the core memories around the holidays.

You just, you just brought up a memory that, for me, that I could literally cry telling this story, right? But we grew up similar. If anything, we would maybe, like, lower to middle class. Like, my mom's school crossing guard. She worked her ass off. Single mom, right?

We, like, we had food. We had shelter. We had clothes. But, you know, I wasn't walking around in Jordans. And I didn't have a car waiting for me when I turned 18 and all that stuff. So I was probably like 13, 14. Talk about a throwback. Like starter jackets are at their height now at this point, right?

Their height. To the point now where we had like the OG like Raiders zip up and all that. And now we're into a pullover, cute quarter zip one, right? And I love, I still say to this day, no sport has done expansion. better than hockey. Like the sharks, the lightning, the ducks back in the day. The sharks, yeah.

Just ridiculous. So I wanted, I remember going to like the sporting goods store and they had the starter section. This is like in November. And it was my birthday in November. I'm like, mom, I really want that San Jose sharks pull over.

Like, it's all I want. Back in the day, it didn't matter. You're a ranger fan. You could wear the shark shit because it was dope. Because he just looked cool. I'm like, mom, that's all I want.

It could be my birthday and my Christmas present. She's like, Jerry, I'm sorry. Like, we truly. can't afford it. It's like a $200 jacket or like $180. She's like, you can't afford it. I don't have the money. We leave. Never, I don't bring it up again. And on Christmas, I open up a present. She got me the jacket. And I remember going to her and I'm going mom. And, you know, credit cards were around, but she didn't have, she used to be able to go put things on layaway. If you remember layaway where you make like a deal with the store. Hey, I'll pay you off. I'll maybe pay you a little

interest. It's basically like a credit card directly with the store. And you got to like kind of know she put the San Jose Sharks jacket on Layway and paid that shit off over the course of a year. Wow. And I still have the jacket in like storage. I'll never get rid of it. No. And I mean, you know. It's amazing, dude. And the thing is the jacket's great. The memory of what my mom did for me is what stands out. 40 years later. 35 years later. Yeah. I guess that's a good way. I learned to cry. I guess that's a Good way. Merry Christmas everyone. We'll wish you Merry Christmas next week too because we do have an episode next week

and we do have Annie Agar coming up to close out the show. Before we do, we got one more thing to talk about and we're going to tie it in with our good friends over at Wendy's. You know, we do fresh take it a week and you could also join Team Tendies and enjoy

a lineup like never before. Crispy, juicy Tendies now at Wendy's. Bro. by the time this airs I mean I think people still be talking about it my Knicks

won the NBA M or whatever cup it is I don't even know what it's called and bro you and I we're like in a Twitter fight we're doing a show right now and we're crying over Christmas memories and while all the time

you and I are just love I just love I just love poking I just love poking but look hold on dude real quick real quick let me just say something for you get in there when you go on Google

and you type in New York Nick's titles. The New York Knicks have won two NBA championships in 1970, 1973, led by legends like Walt Frazier and Willis Reed. They also recently won the inaugural NBA Cup in 2025, a separate tournament making their first trophy in over 50 years, though it's distinct from an NBA finals title. It is literally online. I do like that they put in a distinction. Dumbest... By the way, I'm not asking, for that. So here's the way I look at all this, okay?

I enjoyed watching that game. I was at the Sportsbook at the Grand Hyatt here in Bahamara with a bunch of Knicks fans at time of our life. And by the way, sportsbook was packed. People left the party like, hey, let's go watch the end of the Knicks game. It was a draw. No one's watching Nick Spurs if it's not the NBA Cup. It brought a few people to watch. Number one. But I thought

that's a great win. It's a lot of By no means, do I think it should be a banner? I think it's actually ridiculous. Your Lakers hung a banner. I think they got pressured from the NBA, so I give the Lakers a pass. By the way, I agree, too. Right.

It's terrible. It's right up there next to Taylor Swift's banner. But I don't, like, so I'm not saying, like, oh, the Nix won a championship. I don't feel any better about the NICs championship. My entire NICS fandom, like, I don't feel any sense of accomplishment, right? But there's no reason why not. The Knicks should not celebrate that win because those games were intense.

That was playoff level intensity. And here's the thing about Knicks fans. We would be celebrating if that wasn't a Knicks, if that wasn't a cup, if that was just a road win in December versus the Spurs in an intense game, we would be online, be like, oh, we beat the Spurs. We'd be celebrating anyway. So I don't see the big deal about like, it's going to be 24 hours. Boy, our good friend Charles Barkley says the NBA Cup is embarrassing. I'm disappointed that we have to make an in-season tournament to make these guys more money. This is a joke.

Okay. I love Charles. And certainly he could speak to it at a different level. But from the fan perspective, I think it's way more nuanced than let's get these guys some money. Okay. Why are they doing it? Because the regular season games at some point starts to become. Because the NBA ratings are down and no one, no one's watching.

The regular season has felt too long, and there's load management things and all that. And I think that's a much bigger nuanced conversation because, yes, there is load management. But we also have 27-year-olds blowing out their Achilles at record numbers. So I'm not saying I'm a fan of load management because I'm not. But I also don't like when 27-year-olds and the peak of their powers are blowing out their Achilles in finals games. Basketball's been around 100 years. The load management wasn't a thing in the 90s. early 2000s? Because I think

this is not medically proven but I don't think Michael Jordan played four AAU games a year for 10 years before we got to college. I think that these guys are playing and you could speak to this probably more than I can't too. Your kid played AAU ball. It's like

I feel like they're tearing all this shit because they're playing one sport. They're finding their sport that they're majoring in and they're playing like hundreds upon hundreds of games before they even like get into high school. start this chain reaction and look I hate load management as well I Kevin Garnett says it best you get paid for 82 yeah pay play your 82 people talk about people saving money people save

money that's the part I think Kobe had a great quote about it like people will say the year pay $500 to go see their favorite player play that's that's what that's what players owe the fans you're making $20 million a year I get it dude I played I played professional I understand that the impact it has on a body. I totally understand. But like, no, I get, I'm with you. And I want the, my most proudest thing I could say about the Knicks for the last five years since Tibbs came in and now even with Mike Brown, they play hard, bro. There's not a whole lot of load management. They play every game hard. You know what Tibbs does to teams. He has guys playing 40 minutes in January. So I don't feel bad about it.

But what I don't love is, all right, I don't think the Knicks said, hey, let's do a big trophy presentation, okay? So we could clown it a little bit. That's an NBA thing. Well, they just need to get rid of that, dude. That's what makes it, like, escalate into this. Why are they celebrating? But they are on a stage.

But what you and I saw a bickering about, it's like, Tyrese maxi tweeted, like, this is some high-level basketball you're watching. And that's a high-level dude. And say what you want, we've all somehow gotten to a place with a regular season feels less important. and less anything. Those games, all the cup games for most of the teams

were taken very, very seriously. Well, because some of these guys are making money that's good money for them because I don't see any other incentive. Like, who cares? They made $500,000. Like, Jalen Brunson and Josh Harder donating the money to the staff.

They're giving the money to the staff. I'd say, they don't need it, but the last 10 guys on the bench could use that. Right, but to your point always, too, like, is Tyler Colick trying extra hard because he wants that 500 grand he's playing for his career my point is are these guys should be playing hard every night that's my point it shouldn't be it shouldn't be high level basketball yeah go play high level basketball for 82 games yeah you're going to miss a couple games here and there yeah you're going to be tired like i get it NBA playoffs are high level

basketball because that's when it counts the regular season it just it's just that's why it's so hard for people to watch the NBA during the regular season you get like and that with all the rules and it's such a they're so soft now like when you get chris russo and like and step and a and nick shouldn't be celebrate like who fucking cares that they're celebrating like the they want an important game to them okay the biggest problem is the fouls and i and i and i and i love basketball i played it i'm not like a like you know i'm not like an NBA analyst right but like when i watch sGA who's fantastic about baiting it's it's the foul baiting and the fact that these

refs, like James Hart had had it for years, right? Like, the fact that these refs let that, it's like, it just makes it unwatchable because it's like, come on, bro. Like, like, come on. Like, what are we doing? And SGA's great. Like, but that dude, I mean, he could

like, you breathe on him, it's a foul. So it's like, why do people want to watch that? I just want to say. It's terrible as we close out our Wendy segment. Thank you for letting us talk about this. And I'm going to look in the camera a little bit And to all my friends who are NBA, media, and sports media, guys like Chris Rousseau, all this, okay?

You're saying you don't want to, don't celebrate it. And it doesn't mean anything. This NBA Cup doesn't mean anything. I bet you if it was Nick's thunder, it would have meant something. And the thunder, we're trying. It doesn't get you any closer to an NBA championship. But no, here's not. I agree completely.

As far as an NBA championship, it means. nothing. I agree. But if the Knicks, I'm talking about just for media, sports media guys saying, oh, it means nothing. Who cares? It's for money. Who cares? If the Knicks lose to the Spurs, every single talking head sports show is waking up going. The Knicks can't win a championship unless they trade for Janus. And they need to get Janus because look what the Spurs just did to them in the NBA Cup. Could you imagine what the Thunder would do to them in the finals? That's because all your New York media friends are just out of their mind. It's not even new. What I'm saying is, Don't say it doesn't matter.

And then, like, heads. It's just a hedge. Because if the Knicks lost, they just would have talked about how unprepared the Knicks are and how an unserious championship contender they are. So can't have it both ways is my point. Pick a lane and go for it. Oh, man. I love that you watch, though, Matt.

I love that you watched the little cup action. You saw Josh Har give Bruns in the old... Yeah, I saw your boy Josh Hart give him a little thumb action up the... I mean, I know that's locker room. fun and all that to do it actually made me laugh because I could just picture like how many times I've slapped a dude on the ass and locker room just you know you just mess around and shit I've never had anyone do that to me but uh I did have I'm here Anthony Anderson's at this event I was talking to him and he reminded me of something he did a cameo on entourage and if you go look at his

cameo when he walks away for some reason I have tears in my eyes like I was laughing on one of the takes messing around we finished the take he's like hey turtle see you later and he goes wax me in the balls, bro. He almost dropped me. And that's the take they kept. That's in the show. Not him whacking me, me crying, walking away. Like someone just stole my breath.

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grab a refreshing twisted tea today. Annie, you got a road game today. I'm on the road, guys. Hopefully I don't perform as bad as the Giants when I'm... I don't know why I'm just picturing you in, like, in, like, the parking lot of Costco. Even better. Bass Pro Shops. You're even better. I don't know. I mean, Costco's my favorite place.

Basco Shops is definitely, like, Disneyland for adults. Yeah. And when you get all the free samples, like, you walk around and... Oh, yeah. I'm trying to avoid the Costco stuff as long as my wife mentioned... Oh, I love Costco. I'm like, no. Why haven't you joined Costco?

Because I don't want to... Do you actually go there? I don't want to set foot in a Costco for the rest of my life. Oh, it's fun, dude. The kids run around. It's like an adult playground. Costco's close hit, dude, when you turn 40, bro. Then you got to bring a U-Haul truck to bring all your stuff home because you have.

They give you boxes? They're a little stingy on the boxes, the one by me now, which kind of is upset. I'm like, you know, it's. Just carry all this stuff, this bulk stuff by myself. Well, before we get to some amazing twisted T trivia, we'll see how Annie, the road game. is today. I got a few things I wanted to hit up today. Number one, we should like nod our heads take a moment of silence for the Kansas City Chiefs, right? Like, awful way to end it. We're going to get there. But awful way to end it. Like, and awful for my bank account as well,

I just keep betting on the Chiefs and they were finding ways to lose. But that was one of the most, I don't know, I just felt sad after it happened. Like, it just felt sad. I didn't want to see, like you're watching like a great warrior don't fall on his sword, you know? I kind of feel like they're the one dynasty that like I just, I had, it's hard for me to dislike them because Mahom's a great dude.

It's like I love Kelsey. I love Andy Reed. It was just, I wouldn't mind seeing them stay on top and keep doing it, right? Like you have some of those dynasties before where maybe people didn't like the Patriots because Bill Belichick was kind of an asshole

all this stuff like you've respected Brady. But like it was hard to dislike the chiefs in my opinion. So it is kind of. a bummer, man, but... I'll do it for you, but... I know you will. The Mahomes kind of going out like that. Probably Kelsey's last run.

Like, it's... Yeah, it's a bummer, for sure. That's the thing. We'll never see that Chief's team the way they were. Whether Andy Reid's gone or Travis Kelsey retires, like it... Or Mahomes isn't back to his normal self, which, pray to God, that doesn't happen because one of the best to ever do it. It'll be fine.

Well, it makes you put Brady in perspective, too, because, like, Mahomes and Brady at this point in their careers are at the very exact same place. Rings, appearances, maybe Mahomes is more appearances, but then the big knee injury. So, like, Brady then goes on to win four more Super Bowls and all, like, so, you know, the amount of Patriots fans, though, that have said, hey, that was week one.

Like, we didn't lose the playoffs, like the Chiefs did, and then Brady went down, you know. Who took his place? Who took his place? Matt Castle, and they went, like, 11, they went 11 and 6 teams. 11 and 5 and didn't make the playoffs. Because they beat us, and they beat us. And then that's the year we went to the Super Bowl.

That's wild. The other thing, and sorry about Micah Parsons. That's, like, these injuries are, I mean, they're always been bad in the NFL, but now just as you get down to the playoff time, it's just, it's getting worse and worse. And then I was also thinking, but we, I always ask you guys, who do you think has the best MVP odds? It's like, shit, was it Josh Allen the whole time? Just like we thought it was in the beginning of the season because dude is like right there

now. It depends on how they value the MVP role because MVP, he's literally, he is the MVP. That team would not, would be maybe four wins without him. Like he is, he is the entire offense, he and James Cook. But if you're, in terms of like stats and obviously, I was looking at

Stafford and everything, but in terms of who brings the most value to their team, it's got to be Josh Allen. I agree. I think Stafford's going to win it, though. I think so, too. Stafford's numbers are ridiculous and he's doing it at 30. 39 years old, 38 years old, and they're arguably the best team in the NFL. But Josh,

Josh Allen is, like, for him to have no receivers, James Cook is great, the offense line is spotty, the defense is spotty, and for him to be able to carry a team like this in the national football league is absolutely ridiculous. And you look at the playoff picture, Burroughs out, Mahomes is out, Lamar. Are they officially eliminated? I'm not sure, but they're right there. Like, this is his window to win the Super Bowl. Because if you don't, like you got all these young, like Bo Nicks, got all these young kind of studs coming up, dude, I'm telling you, this is it. This is the year. They got to win. Do you think, though, for the first time in a while? Like, obviously the NFL's not nervous about anything. It's still the best product and best

sport in America for sure. But this could be the first year. Be like, oh, my God, is it going to be, is it going to be chiefs? I mean, not your jaguar, Seahawks in the Super Bowl. Like, we could get a really weird Super Bowl this year? Is it on Fox? Is it on my network? I don't know. I don't know if you want this one, Matt. I'll tell you what. They care about who's in the Super Bowl. That's all I know. It's Texans. It's not on Fox. It's probably CBS in, right? Yeah. It could very well be the Texans, dude. That'd be crazy, wouldn't it?

Yeah. This could be the first really weird one. All right. Yeah. Before we get to Twisted trivia, I have a case to make about something that not many people are talking about. Okay. And I think when you actually break down the case, it's a real case and should be heard. So I'm going to ask you guys a question. Off the top of your heads, who do you think are, give me a few players you think are in the top ten for offensive player of the year. Not MVP, offensive player of the year. Pooka.

Pooka's up there. He's about fourth. Jonathan Taylor. Taylor is Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. Heavy favorite right now. The quarterbacks that we talked about. Yeah, I forgot. He's his number.

Yeah. Stafford, Drake May, Josh Allen. J.S.N is a heavy favorite. Jonathan Taylor, 2, CMAQ and Puka and Gibbs tied at three. And then you got. Somehow, George Pickens is up there. I don't know what was going on there. He's having a year, dude.

And then, look, I mean, JSN, it's, no one would be mad if he got it. He's having an unbelievable season. But why? Now, we always talk about the running back slander. Running backs don't get MVP. And they usually are in the running for this. Now it has become a receiver. why are we not talking

about Trey McBride for offensive player of the year The dude is leading the league in catches He got 105 catches Because he plays for the Arizona Cardinals Exactly They have no other offensive weapon And somehow he has more touchdowns

Than JSN He has more touchdowns That's because he gets 20 targets a game We had a trivia question That he was the answer And it took us like forever to get there JSN has three fumbles, no fumbles for Trey McBride. Like, why is he not, he's not even in that top 10 of offensive player of the year betting odds.

Because they're four in nine, four and ten, and when they're down, when you're down multiple touchdowns every game, all you do is throw the football. Yeah. So he's, I was going to say, no, I don't have taken away from him. Go ahead, Annie. Would they give it to a team that's, that's already eliminated from the, like, because you said that's, like, if they play from behind? Is Miles Garrick going to win defensive player of the year? Boom, I just won the argument. Miles Garrett's going to walk away with defensive player.

Yeah, but getting sacks and that is a lot harder than catching 15 balls a game when you're getting targeted 30 times. No, but I'm saying it's not like Trey McBride versus Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett's going to walk away with defensive player there and he deserves it and his team is trash. Hmm. Interesting. I don't, I don't, I don't, yeah. I wouldn't bet on him. This isn't like a thing on him.

He's a fantastic player. But, yeah, I mean, I don't think that's a, I don't think that's a, I don't think That's a hot take. I think you're wrong, completely wrong on that. That he should be getting some real considerate. Am I'm saying he's necessarily win? I think he should be getting consideration, but he's on a terrible team. When you're always down and you're just getting tons and tons and tons of targets,

like it doesn't feel like you're impacting the game the way a Miles Garrett is impacted. Miles Garrett is like a mic apart. You can single-handedly impact the game and keep your team in a game by sacking, by affecting the line of scrimmage. It's just different. Well, one more counter, Annie and, Matt is, all right. Puka is lining up next to Devonte. He's got Stafford throwing him the ball. John the Taylor, you can still make the case where he's falling off. CMAQ, that's a loaded

offense. JSN, I mean, you can't say tons of weapons, but Darnold's ridiculous. I don't know. I think what Trey McBride is doing is unbelievable. And he's still got four games left. So we might see a crazy season. Anyway, I just think that that's not one person anyone's talking about. You might be the only one to bring up his name this week, so I'm glad we're free. By the way, I love it. He's a baller. Trey McBride Island. And the last thing, Matt, and then we'll get to do some trivia.

And Annie, I don't know what you feel about it. Fancy football. It's still undefeated is the worst thing going. I lost the Jason Myers and the Bears defense. Straight up. Lost to those two players. Really quick. He's got the second most targets in the NFL, dude.

He's got the first. Jamar Chase. I mean, wouldn't you. want a target? He's literally got the second most targets. I mean, yeah, I'm just saying. I don't know. I think he deserves, I think he deserves to be in the top three for the conversation. If you could talk about Miles Gagher. All right. I disagree. And yeah, Matt, you'll never change my mind. Fantasy is just the word. And if you even play fantasy or no. I usually do, but this year we couldn't because we had a, it was either betting or fantasy deal and we went with

the betting one, so I didn't play this year. Smart. That's smart. Which was good because I gave my therapist still a break. Fantasy. Oh, it makes me so mad. You just can't win. Maybe if I lived in a state where you could bet, I would do that. I think that's what your problem is, Matt. I think chalk one up for... It's definitely not, bro. It's definitely not. I love fantasy football.

Yeah, when we were talking about earlier, the pros and kinds of living on the East Coast or the West Coast, that's a pro. That's all we got. We get sports betting. All right. Let's, should we do a little twisted trivia? Yes. You know, we dismantled the argument on Oldell Beckham. Matt got it in about 0.01. seconds before. A win is a win.

When is a win? To take my loss. You just, you take your losses so, like, I literally told you where we were doing it live. I beat you. I said it before you and you were like so gung-ho. I'm like, bro, the film doesn't lie. It just doesn't lie. I understand. Okay. And Annie, I know that's your favorite part of the show. We yell at each other who is the fact that you understand is great. But when it wasn't like you were a full second ahead. It was like point zero. It doesn't matter. It was very close.

Thank you. I wasn't, like, far off. But you could tell there was one person talked before the other for, like, a split second. I just couldn't tell who. Wow, E2, Annie, E2. All right. Matt's up 11, 3, and 1 in trivia, and he has 40 total questions right. I have 27 questions right.

That's a number one seed right there. That's a number one seed in the AFC. I'm about to go, like, I'm about to go Cinderella, James Madison for our boy, Joel Klaught. Let's go. Matt's going to get offensive player in the year in this is a trivia. Yeah, he's going to get offensive. Jerry's getting cut for sure All right, let's go, let's go

All right, these are more like current questions that are Come on, Jerry, I'm actually This is you? Jay, I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for you. I'm not even to say anything because I want you to win. Matt, let's not do the chair or anything, bro.

Okay, all right. First question. Who is second in the NFL in Sacks this season? Second in the NFL? In Sacks. Nick Benito? Nope, good guess, though. He was leading for a while.

Garrett's won, so. Yep. This guy's probably like Penn Sacks lesser, but Is it Will Anderson? Nope. Could go. I mean, if you want to hint.

It's not Will Anderson, Benito, or Miles Garrett. Yeah, we need a hint. We both guessed. It's close to home for Jerry. Burns? Yep. Brian Burns. Oh, my God.

How the hell did I not know that? I was going to say him first. Because I stopped watching Giants games four weeks ago, is why. I haven't watched the Giants game in like five. weeks. Come on, dude. I've ignored this part. Neither is Joe Shane, so, you know.

Okay, number two. Who is second in the NFL in rushing yards this season? James Cook. Yes. I was going to say James Cook. I was a good one. I just saw that the other day

because he's on my fantasy team. If I have to listen to my nephew one more time, tell me James Cook is the best running back in football. It's the only reason why I knew that. The guy's such a homer. He is good. Okay. Number three.

Who is second in the NFL in receiving? yards this season. It's not Trey McBride. Puka Nukua. Yes, it is Puka. Well done. You guys killed on this one. He's also on two of my fantasy leagues.

Oh, yeah. Jackson's Pith and Jigmas one, right? Nuku is two. Yeah. Okay, we have two pictures. You have to name this player. All right, picture number one. Drake Mae.

Oh, my. Jerry, I swear to you, it's a lag. It's not even close. I said it like a full second before you. It's Eddie, I mean, that's not even close, bro. Bought on to me. Yes. Drake, Drake, May.

Another video review. That's great for the show program. That's easy. I won that one for sure. Next picture. Who is this player? Will Levis? No.

Wait. What did Matt say? I said Bo Nix. I said Bo Nix. Damn it. Why I say Will Levis? Bro, that was just an ass. They do kind of look like.

Will Levis? Will Levis? I don't know. Yeah, it popped into my head. That's Bonix. God, dude. Honestly, I'm starting to feel bad. Is that it? Just those two? I'm glad it's over.

I'm glad that one is over. Yeah, that wasn't your best showing. I'm going to make a prediction, though. I got the tie break this week for sure. I get, I would, I'll bet you $1,000 you didn't get it. Then it's the Bohemian Wi-Fi I'm on because I could not have said it any faster. It's not humanly possible. By the way, we had the same conversation last week, the same thing, dude.

All right. Well, Annie, thank you very much. Safe travels. Thank you, guys. Hey, what do you get in Bass Pro Shops, by the way? Yeah, what are you getting in there? Anything and everything. That place is like, talk about an adult playground.

That's my favorite place. Yeah. And the one here is like a, it's massive. It's like a, it's outdoor world and Bass Pro Shops combined. Have you seen that video where the guy jumps in like the big fish tank and he's swimming like laps in the fishies. I think it was at a Basque Shop. I used that in one of my videos. Yeah, that's so good.

Naked. I said some about, I think it was Dennis Allen at the time, didn't go for it or something. I said he had smaller balls on the guy in the bass pro shop. See, we're back to balls. It's just what we talk about guys. Do we see you next week? Are we leaving you alone for the holiday? All right, we'll see you back next week for maybe

a Christmas edition of Twisted Trivia. Who knows? Love it. I will not be in my truck then. so thank you very much annie drive same uh we'll see you next week sounds good all right mattie that's it for us we got one more before uh 2025 comes to a close yeah man so uh big 25 go back subscribe like everything throwbacks follow us on instagram at throwback show we appreciate all the love dude 2025 on more show brought me a baby girl completed our family 2026 is complete in your family, bro. We're almost there.

Some might say I got my wife or present already. Yeah, we talk about it. We'll talk about it next week before we close out the year, dude. Next week we'll talk about it and we'll do a little bit of our freezing cold takes of 2025, which we did last year and it went over really well. So that episode will have freezing cold takes of 2025. Thanks for listening to everybody. We'll see you one more time in 2025.

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