Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - The Do's & Don'ts of QB Development, Locker Room & On-Set Fights, NFL Week 3 & One Last Woj Bomb

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

In the latest edition of Throwbacks, Matt Leinart and Jerry Ferrara discuss Carolina’s decision to bench Bryce Young and explain why this is more of an organizational failure than a Bryce Young failure. The guys also tell you which teams are most in need of a win heading into Week 3 and which 5 NFL franchises have the worst records over the last 10 years.  Plus, Jerry tells us about the time an NBA player cursed him out in front of an arena full of people. And, we determine whether or not it’s ok for New York Knicks guard Jalen Brunson to wear an Eagles jersey out in public.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys and the Throwbacks community. (https://link.chtbl.com/throwbacks)   A big thank you to our sponsors:   DraftKings  Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using http://dkng.co/throwbacks or through our promo code THROWBACKS.  GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (AZ/CO/DC/IA/IL/IN/KS/KY/LA/MD/ME/MI/NC/NH/NJ/OH/OR/PA/TN/VA/VT/WV/WY), [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY).  Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT)  21+ (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/DC/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/KY/LA (select parishes)/MA/MD/ME/MI/NC/NJ/NY/OH/PA/TN/VA/VT/WV/WY only. Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Get 1 promo code to redeem 1-month of access to NFL+ Premium and max. $250 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Ends 9/19/24 11:59 PM ET. Terms: dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. NFL+ Premium Terms: Offer only for eligible subscribers & must be redeemed by 11:59PM 9/30/24; After 1-month promo period, subscription automatically renews each month at then-current price (currently $14.99/mth) until cancelled; Addt’l terms: nfl.com/terms. Sponsored by DK.  Wendy’s  Try Wendy's New Saucy Nuggs Today https://wendys.com/nuggs  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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once we figure out how awesome we're going to look fighting, then Adrian, who plays Vince is kind of like, well, what am I doing during this? And I said to him, Adrian's not a sports guy. I said, dude, you're the quarterback. He's like, what does that mean? I of like, well, what am I doing during this? And I said to him, and Adrian's not a sports guy, I said, dude, you're the quarterback.

He's like, well, what does that mean? I'm like, it means you just walk away because you're the movie star and we got to protect you at all costs. So just walk away. He's like, oh, I didn't know that about quarterbacks. He knows nothing about sports. Another episode of Throwbacks. I think I finally found the sweet spot in the music where I need to jump in and talk.

Takes a little bit of a learning curve. Of course, I'm always joined by my new best friend, Matt Liner, the real Matty Ice. Matt, how's it going? The real Matty Ice. I'm doing good, buddy. I got my Shohei shirt on today. You do have a good Shohei shirt. For this week, because he's about to make history. So you always say that you're not really like a fan of anything, but this would be your number one fandom, right? In sports? Yeah, I'm a lifelong Dodger fan um i remember where i was when kirk gibson hit the home run in 1988 i was five i still remember where i was um how about how about like my favorite dodger of all time kirk gibson and i went into the college football hall of fame

with him the same year he was an an All-American receiver at Michigan State. Isn't that wild? I didn't even know that. There's so many athletes that you never realize. Like, oh yeah, also could have probably played football if he maybe really geared himself. By the way, all weekend, just straight Dodger talk. We didn't even talk football. I was like, dude, tell me about Lasorda.

Tell me about back in the day. It was so fun, man. All right, so you do fan out. That makes me happy. You do have at least Knicks adjacent for you as Dodgers. I will say this. I will say this. Watching Dodger playoff games are very similar to you watching Knicks games.

Okay. How I react. Now, again, there's 182 games in a season, so I don't watch every single game. But when it's playoff time, I am nine inning invested on the couch, Dodger shirt on, hat, like, let's go. And the minute we go down three nothing in the fifth,

you can ask my wife. I'm like, dude, we suck, dude. We're losing. I'm just one of those. All right, that's good to know because we have to talk later about our little three-point shooting contest bet that we have going.

We're going to touch on that because it's starting to get real. Also, we want to hear from you. Social handles are at Throwback Show on YouTube, X, Instagram, TikTok. We have a new email, feedback at throwbackshow.com. As we come up for the stakes of this bet, because this bet is happening in LA soon, you guys can maybe help me out because I know Matt's going to go for my juggler. So at least I got to put some fear into him about what

the, what the stakes are going to be. We're also, we're going to shoot at USC Galen center. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to reserve that for us. Maybe we'll even invite out the USC basketball team just to watch. So it's a home game for you. Essentially. I's a road game for you. I've never shot there. So if you want, we can go in my backyard. I got a little sport court in the backyard. That would be home court. You've never shot there, but you've hung banners there. Like not in the basketball, like in the camp.

I mean, that's- Jerry, we haven't, USC basketball hasn't hung a banner since I don't know when. Okay, so we got no banners. I'll just talk about you're a legend on that campus and you're making me go in there. All right, and also we're speaking about fandom. I want to give a quick shout out

to you, the listener. Thank you very much for supporting this show. Huge last couple of days. Almost felt, had like the entourage vibes when Vince has a movie open number one.

The show is sitting at number one on Apple podcasts for damn near a week. So, dude, so I mean, that was awesome. Shout out. Well, first of all, shout out to the team behind the pod and everybody. That, uh, so, I mean, that was awesome. Shout out. Well, first of all, shout out to the team behind the pod and everybody that's just, we got an A plus team. Uh, we've been building this obviously all summer and talking about it and it's here and the

fans and the guests, Ashton and Jay, and just everybody involved that's helping this thing grow. Uh, we are so fired up, man. And this is just the beginning. Like we, like we're in it for the long run. Me and Jerry are, we're besties and we are in it for the long run guys. So shout out to everybody listening, man. We appreciate y'all. I could say that because our wives are becoming friends now too. So that's how, you know, you're really in it for the long run. The minute they start texting on the side with us, not on the group chat, you know, we're in trouble, dude. We are in trouble. And you know, I figured no guests today. Cause we've, you know, we're in trouble, dude. We are in trouble. And, you know, I figured no guests today because we had two great guests early.

And I do think we need this episode to continue to build our podcast friendship. We're going to hit NFL in a minute, but I always like to start the show with, and I like to end the show with Matt, like where were you? And then later we'll do where you're going. But Matt, where were you last weekend with Big Noon?

Dude, I was hanging with Offset, bro. Offset was me and Offset are boys now. Is that your boy? Are we getting him on the show? Yeah. Let me go through his team to see if he remembers who I am last weekend. I was in Madison, Wisconsin, dude. I was there from Wednesday to Sunday.

So I felt like I was there for a long time. We shot a Wendy's commercial. Shout out to long time. We shot a Wendy's commercial. Shout out to Wendy's. We shot a Wendy's commercial Thursday. But I say this, we went to Madison a couple of years ago and by far and away, my favorite place to go. And whether they're doing good in football or not, it's the fan base. It's the game day atmosphere. It's the downtown. It's everything. They just make you feel so awesome there. And we had a blast.

And shout out to College Club, the bar, and Jordan, the owner, for getting us in. The KK. You went, right? Bro, I was there Thursday night for 30 minutes, me and Mark Ingram. And you would have thought Mark Ingram was LeBron James, dude. This kid. And remember, Alabama was in town too.

It was hysterical. I felt like the old guy just stayed. Like, you know when you go into a bar now, if I go into a bar and I see like a 60-year-old dude, and I'm like, come on, man, you got to go home. I felt like that guy in a college bar, kind of at the corner of the bar, just like, what am I doing? But it's okay because I went back Saturday

night with friends and we rocked it and we had a blast. So shout out to the KK out there for hooking it up, man. We had a blast though, dude. It was so much fun. I will say with our own triple... You've been to the KK, right? Yeah, with our own triple option with Mark Ingram. You know, Jason Kelsey got a lot of shine. It's like, oh, what a fun guy at the

party. I put Mark Ingram on that list of just fun guy you want to invite to your birthday party. Just fun. He's going to turn up and have fun. He will turn up. His energy is unmatched. I mean, Kelsey's energy. I mean, what was that dance the other night?

What is he doing, dude? That guy's hysterical, though. Did you jump around in Wisconsin? Did you jump around? I did. It's a fun moment. It's a fun moment. It's cool. It's cool. I always enjoy it.

Even when they're getting their brains beat in. It's a fun moment. Every time I've been to Wisconsin doing jump around, they're always getting their butt kicked, and the other team is basically taunting them with jump around at the start of the fourth quarter. But it's one of the better traditions in college football. So it's good, man.

Good to be back. And a big one for your boys this weekend, right? SC, Michigan, you know, SC's 11. They get this win. They're favored. You're going into the big house. SC's favored, and I would have never thought that going into the season.

But Michigan has really struggled to kind of find an identity. And it's not surprising given the amount of guys they lost. It's still tough, though. Defending national champ in the big house. They're starting Alex Orji, who's getting the keys to this car. He's a terrific athlete, dynamic, a great runner. It's going to be tough, man.

This could be a good atmosphere. Both teams coming off a bye. So, you know, Michigan will be ready to rock, man. But Trojans, first big-time Big Ten game. Yeah. Which is awesome. I was even trying to think when was the last really big SC game just in general that had so much implications for later in the season.

Last time, maybe Andrew can back me up on this. The last time USC beat a ranked opponent on the road was 2016, maybe. I think I read that with Sam. That long? Yeah, dude. I mean, we've been in the bottom cellar in regards to expectation. I think it was like that. It was a long time ago since we have beat a team on the road that was ranked.

So we'll see. We'll see what happens, Ben. I'm so envious that I just watch college football from a betting perspective and I don't have that. Like my heart's nowhere. My heart is nowhere. My heart is not with, and you know, I have a big heart when it comes to Xander. My heart is nowhere. My heart is nowhere. I'm not, but when I watch SC, I'm not like I'm rooting for him, but I'm not, I'm not as, I guess invested is not the right word, but I'm not like you where I'm literally my, my day depends on whether they win or lose, dude. I am – they lose.

I'm going home. I might pour me a tequila on a Saturday and have a good night. You, you're going to bed angry and miserable. And not sleeping probably. And not sleeping. Trying to avoid certain podcasts, especially Philadelphia ones. All right, we're going to hit NFL in a second. And I really don't want to...

Oh, wait, hold on. Andrew found something for us. He found... Last time USC football beat a ranked opponent on the road was 2022. They defeated number 16 UCLA 48-45 at the Rose Bowl. And then I think, Matt, you're probably right before that. I think you probably go back. Well, that doesn't count, though.

It doesn't count. It's UCLA, dude. We don't count UCLA. I love the snark. Shout out to Andrew. We won't count that. Good fact finding though. And we're going to hit NFL because a lot of interesting things happened going into week three. But before, there was a little, you know, we try to keep it current. There was a little bit of a Woj bomb, not the Woj bomb that we expect. We've come to expect Woj bombs with player movement. You know, what did you think when you heard Woj retired to become the GM of his alma mater? Well, my first reaction was like, and Woj is all time go, right? But my first reaction,

my first reaction was why? And then I read and I'm like okay alma mater so obviously loves it but then to to handle what like nil stuff and all that just like oh like what an interesting time to get involved in nil where that's just a disaster but um yeah i mean look i look you go back to like bell belichick's gone pete carroll like just big names in in our sports world we've lost a lot. Yeah, we've lost a lot. We lost another good man is down, man. Although we lost Belichick, but we probably got more of the person Belichick than the coach that we have this year.

For me, I do have a little tiny bit of a personal relationship with Woj over the years. He invited me years ago to go on his pod, which for me as a basketball nerd was one of the best moments. And he gave me a few little tidbits, little stories that maybe nobody ever knew. I will text here and there,

but the minute Woj season starts, I'll always send the feeler out. I just get no response. That guy must get asked by so many acquaintance friends, like, what are the Knicks doing? And he's a vault. He's given me nothing over the years. Is there, is there anything better than the first day of NBA free agency when Woj just drops,

just drops the hammer? Well, yeah, that's what I think we all were saying thank you to him for all the years. Cause first of all, he was a great columnist to begin his career. If you go back, some of the Woj columns before he was like a newsbreaker insider were amazing. And then he helped create the NBA off season into one of the best reality shows ever. And I think we owe, we owe a little bit of a thanks to him for that, the way he reported it and approached it. But I have two moments in my life where I had jaw dropping, frozen, frozen-in-time, can't-believe-this-happen moments, and they were both Woj bombs.

One was when the Knicks traded Porzingis. I was in a Whole Foods in Florida and saw the news, and I dropped my grocery basket and froze because Porzingis was my guy. That was like my nephew with the Knicks. That was your nephew? Well, I've met him a bunch of times. I claim him as my seven foot four

nephew and that just froze me in my tracks and another one was i think when you know i want to say it was when lebron came back to cleveland and i know he took charge of that but woj froze me in my track so shout outs to woj he sent me a baby gift when my first son was born didn't have to do that and he's a class act. I'm going to be keeping an eye on the St. Bonaventure now. I'm going to be keeping an eye. I never would have before this. I pulled up some of the biggest woe stories.

You tell me which one you think the biggest is. KD and Kyrie signing with the Nets. Oh, that one hurt my soul. Yeah, I know. PG3 and Kawhi to the Clippers. Yeah, yeah. By the way, and Kawhi to the Clippers. Yeah, yeah. By the way, I could care less about the Clippers. It's a Laker town, but

LeBron to the Lakers and then the NBA suspends the season because of COVID. Oh, did he break that once he was? Yeah, I think so. Right after Rudy Gobert touched all the microphones. Oh, God. What a wild time to be alive. Also, too,

you know, he, in a way, made the draft fun, but kind of, he brought it into modern times, but him releasing the draft pick 30 seconds before the pick, I always thought,

and I know ESPN probably didn't love that, and then it happens in the NFL now, so I actually had to, I don't ever mute Woj, but I just had to basically stay away from his Twitter on NBA draft night. Cause I want to be a little surprised. So shout outs to Woj. Shout outs to Woj, man. Hall of Famer, GOAT, ICON. And now we're going to see how you do as a GM. Okay, Matty. Wild week two, we know, and it's really hard to surprise us at this point with stuff in the NFL,

because you're just prepared to always be surprised, but going into week three through three through two weeks, going into week three, what are some of the things that you are most surprised by? Well, I'm going to get, we're going to get into quarterbacks here in a second. But I just went online. And how about this? MVP right now. Derek Carr. Maybe, maybe Kyler Murray.

Maybe Sam Darnold. Okay. I'm just saying, just like two weeks. What about Baker? Was Baker on there? Baker. And then how about this? Leading rusher in the NFL right now. Do you know who that is?

Is it Kamara? No, dude. It's J.K. Dobbins. Oh, J.K. Yeah. And number two. The comeback player of the year, J.K. Dobbins. Number two, Mason from San Francisco.

Through two weeks. Yeah, but that was a rude awakening. No, I know. But isn't it? So it's just like the NFL, man. You just never know. You never know. I mean, I think shout out to all those guys

and shout out to Derek Carr for just getting, just obviously the criticism last year and is he the right guy and he's off to a great start and Sam Darnold, which we've talked about before in the pod, just kind of like a rebirth there in Minnesota, having an opportunity and playing well. So, um, and then, you know, like what Ravens Bengals, Owen too, like some of those teams, it's a long season, but you just, you just never know, man, the NFL is the NFL stuff.

Well, I don't want to say it's the biggest surprise. Cause after I thought it through for me, I guess it made sense, but it just brought a thousand questions. And I know a lot of people are covering this in certain ways. I have different questions, you know, Bryce young getting benched with Carolina. So obviously Carolina is not good. We knew they're not good. He has not looked good.

Not breaking news there. I always find it hard to blame. I know the quarterback gets so much credit and also does take so much of the blame, but nothing on that team is working, but benching him at this point, Matt, is this, hey, we've seen enough. We want to maybe protect some trade value here. Or is this, hey, we're going to just restart the process next year.

We're going to probably be picking one and picking one in the second round. So we're going to bolster up through the draft and start this whole thing over. Or is this stint in Carolina ending? Are we watching the ending of this, of Carolina? We talked a lot about like quarterbacks off texting. It's like, you know, the Niners cut bait with Trey Lance early and they didn't hold on and other teams hold on. So what do you make of this benching and what the Panthers are doing? Well, first of all, I think it's great for Bryce

Young in the long run. And I believe that. Look, I haven't watched the film, every play, but I'm sure there's plays out there that he's missed. That happens every single week. But this organization did him no favors. I think his time in Carolina is probably done, and I think that's probably best for both organizations. And I was thinking about

this and this is a second year player who was drafted, you know, number one, right? He's number one overall. Number one. Yeah. Trade it up for trade up. Number one overall to Carolina. Okay. He has a head coach and OC that gets fired after his first year. He gets a new, a new head coach, a new system this year, which is already hard enough to learn a new system. I mean, Derek Carr even talked about how tough it is to learn a new system every year. And he's a, you know, tenure vet, whatever. This kid didn't play preseason. I think he played maybe a series or two in the preseason where CJ Stroud played in preseason, right? New system, whatever. And so like you

throw this guy out there to the wolves when you don't have, when a kid is still learning the system, he's still developing as an NFL player. Like it, like, like it drives me crazy. The, the need and the desire to throw these kids out there. And, and, and just in his instance, like you don't have a supporting cast. You have a terrible offensive line. You have a new system. He needs all the reps he can get. I throw him there in preseason, get him all the reps,

get him hit a little bit and just get a feel for the system. And so, look, I think this was an organizational failure by the Carolina Panthers. I really believe that. I think Bryce Young could probably play better. I think this will be the best thing that happens to his

career. You look at Sam Darnold. We've talked about it. Look at Sam Darnold. Look at Baker. Baker went to Carolina. Baker led Cleveland to a playoff berth a couple years ago. Doesn't work out. Goes to Carolina for a cup of coffee.

Doesn't work out. And now he's in Tampa Bay making $50 million a year playing as good as anybody because he's got a competent team around him and an organization. True. And I think we talked about this. Tom Brady, I think the video of him

kind of going viral this week about just the lack of development and the rush to play these quarterbacks is a travesty to most of them. Does it work every once in a while? Yes, but to most of them because these players aren't developed anymore at the collegiate level. They're not necessarily developed at the high school level. How many times a game, I know you say you don't have a college football team per se, but when you're watching a game, how much do you see the quarterback look to the sideline for a play? All the time, right? All the time. All the time. There's no such thing

as a huddle anymore. There's very few offenses that require a quarterback to have to get into checks and reads and progress and all of these things. It just doesn't happen to the point where you need it to happen in the NFL. A lot of these coaches are calling plays from the side. So like, it's just a long list of things. In my opinion, I hate it. As you can tell, I'm pretty passionate about this with young. No, this is great. And look, I'm not even like, I wouldn't, I would put myself in that category as well. I think for, uh, there are also reasons for me why it didn't work out and it's different, but still when you're thrust into that situation and the expectation and you're just not ready like this is what happens man so i'm happy

for him i think i think you know he's gonna learn maybe to your point maybe a trade you're starting to hear a little bit of rumors maybe the maybe the rams giant rumors too which i texted glazer glazer gave me nothing comes on the pod last week i don't want nothing that makes no sense that makes no sense for the giants makes no sense for bryce he needs to go to a play right now where they have an established guy who's got a year or two left i mean rams good rams mcveigh and stafford that system how much have we talked about that system lafleur look what lafleur did with malik look at different baker too when he went spent you know some time so i guess how much do you think i can only imagine what it's like to be bryce young right now just in terms of psyche and confidence i can only relate to what

i've been through in my career which is nothing like an athlete's career but early on in entourage you know i was criticized as being the rawest, the youngest. Does this guy know what he's doing? There was websites out there designed to kill my character off the show. I want to say the producers, after we shot the pilot, saw the pilot and sent me for improv lessons, which that hurt my ego very much because I thought that was one of my strong points. And I definitely went into the second episode months later, nervous and trying not to screw up. And at some point, even at that level in the NFL, being a quarterback with all those coaches and everything available to you, does it become, I just don't want to screw up. I don't want to throw the pick.

I don't want to fumble. I don't want to overthrow the guy. And when you're doing that, it's almost impossible, especially in a sport like football to really be good. Well, when you're, when you're doing that, it's almost impossible, especially in a sport like football, to really be good. Well, when you're in any industry, especially acting too, obviously that's a tough, tough industry to crack. So much confidence. Yeah, confidence. peers that, hey, man, like, you just might not be good enough, or hey, we're going to go in a different direction, or hey, you didn't get this part because you didn't have good enough improvisational skills, whatever. Like, dude, it's a blow to the ego. And the quarterback position, I say this all the time, we always talk about, it's like 80% mental, 20% physical. Everybody that makes the NFL is physically gifted. I don't care if you can't throw it.

It doesn't, whether you can run, whatever. You are physically gifted if you make that level. Now, the part where you succeed is the mental part. And the minute that mental part is cracked, it is challenging. I dealt with that for a couple of years. I had no confidence in Arizona, zero. I had the most confidence of any quarterback in college and even my rookie year, even my rookie year, because I was not looking over my shoulder. I was, I didn't care. I was just going out there playing ball, throwing picks, touchdowns, winning a couple

of games. Like, Hey, I got this. Then, then, then that got in the way. And then I was humbled very, very quickly. But then I was told basically I was good. Then you just go through that grind, man. And as a quarterback, your average career in the NFL as a player is three years, dude. So whether you're a number one pick or you're a six-round pick, if you kind of get lost in the shuffle, you get lost in one of these organizations, you don't seize the most of an opportunity, maybe a second opportunity, you're done. You're absolutely done.

So Bryce has still got a lot of football left in him. This isn't that case, but that's why I'm glad two games in. Dude, fine. Bench him. Don't play him anymore. Let this kid learn, develop. Andy Dalton's a great person to learn from. Get out of there and go get a reboot.

So you think it's over? No, there's no way for... There's no way for... I guess Dalton's. Well, I'm saying there's no way for, I guess Dalton's kind of like the litmus test. Because if Dalton, if they go out and get shut out and Dalton has the same struggles, who is a competent veteran quarterback as Bryce, then I think everyone will all say,

all right, the team is just bad. Maybe even Mahomes couldn't drag this team to eight wins. Who knows? So maybe Bryce gets a reboot in Carolina still, which would probably require maybe a whole new regime. But you're saying it's not over for certain in Carolina, but the best thing for Bryce Young would be to go somewhere else and start over with the confidence.

The best thing, learn, develop, practice, just learn the play. Just do all those things. Develop as a quarterback. Learning from Andy Dalton, who's a terrific pro, had a great career. Whether Andy balls out or not, it doesn't matter for for bryce my my gut is that bryce is done in carolina so which is crazy but and real quick for you because i don't think we have an answer to this question but i went on this deep dive because off of brady's point which you know we don't develop they don't develop quarterbacks enough and everyone's in a rush to play. I went down the rabble and I sent you all the names via text.

Obviously, you're one of the names on the list of quarterbacks who started right away, quarterbacks who came in after a few games, and then quarterbacks who sat a year or two. And I don't have to go down the list. I could if anybody would want me to, but it doesn't make any sense. Some guys start right away and succeed. Some guys wait a year and don't succeed. Some guys get thrown in because with you, when you came in, refresh my memory though, did Kurt get benched or did he get hurt when you came in? He got benched. He got benched. So I came in and he started-

Did you have any inklings you might, like, were you already like, hey, Matt, stay loose? Well, I just knew. You're always loose, but. Yeah, like I had, obviously the hype coming in. I was a 10th pick.

I had a really good preseason. And so I was, I was, I felt, and again, we had, we had great, I mean, we had Larry Fitzgerald. We had Anquan Bolden. We weren't a great, not a great organization, obviously, but like we had great

receivers and, you know, Kurt, I think we were one in three. So Kurt was struggling a little bit. And there was pressure on Kurt with Denny Green and then drafting me for him to play well, wasn't playing particularly well. And he just, they hooked him after four games. And then I went on and like the first two games I played was the Chiefs. Yeah. Chiefs, we lost by a field goal at the end. And then the Monday night game. And then we ended up going five and 11 that year, but, but there was like promise there. And then I, I, I sprained my AC joint. The very last game of the year was kind of out for a couple months. We had a new coach, Wisenhunt just hated me from the get-go and whatever. Like he just didn't like me. He didn't

get along. And that was like the start of it to. Now, I didn't help myself in some areas, but he brought it. And again, learning a new system. When I'm a rookie, learning the first one, Denny's system was completely different than that system. They were running in Pittsburgh with Big Ben at the time. And then trying to learn that, getting back from an injury, and then battling. And then it became a... Actually, it wasn't even a battle. I was a starter going into year two, started the first five games and broke my collarbone. And then I was out. And then Kurt took over, I think led us to a playoff that year. And then it was a, it was a so-called battle the next year, but it was his team. And again, like he, like, and he ended up having a hall of fame

career. So it was just one of those things where like, it was just coaching and the system and all that, like it killed my confidence with what was, I felt like I was being messed with mind games and just trying to do all these things. And it was tough to get back from that. And then I've said this in Houston, I really got the confidence back, even as a backup, like with Kubiak and that system, they taught the position the way it should be taught. But yeah, man, it's tough, dude. It's a tough position. And as you said, there's outliers and there's really not a rhyme or reason. I would say most fail. Most don't live up to the hype of being a top pick. And you can define whatever that looks like for you, but most don't. Because remember, when you're going one or two or top five, you're going to a shitty organization for the most part, because they're struggling.

I threw out the names and I'll just spit a few out. You're not going to get to any conclusions, but starters right away, Russell Wilson, Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Stafford, David Carr, Wentz, Mariota, RG3, fake Matty Ice. It's Matt Ryan, everybody. That's fake Matty Ice. It's Matt Ryan, everybody. That's fake Matty Ice. That's what I call him now. Well, most of those guys on that list balled right away. EJ Manuel, Derek Carr, Geno Smith, who Geno Smith might be one of the better examples of two.

Wildest story, yeah. And he might come up later in our show. And then, yeah, guys who sat the first few weeks, real Matty Ice, Big Ben, Danny Dimes, Baker, Vince Young. And then, like, there's year two guys. Mahomes, Michaelty Ice, Big Ben, Danny Dimes, Baker, Vince Young. And then like there's year two guys. Mahomes, Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn. And then beyond year two, which that would never even really happen anymore. Rivers, Romo, Aaron Rodgers.

But a lot of that was they're sitting behind a vet who's kind of finishing up. So it still makes no sense. And it's why we'll always be drawn to the quarterback position in the draft. And we'll always be talking about them on podcasts because there's no real answers. And we love when it works. And we try to figure out why it doesn't.

And no one has any clue. There is one other quarterback I want to talk about real quick because I did think of you two. I'm sitting there watching Red Zone. I got the Giants game going on. And my guy, Will Le you too. I'm sitting there watching Red Zone while I got the Giants game going on. And my guy, Will Levis, who I'm rooting for,

I think I've loved the flashes we've seen. He's definitely done some real dumb shit. He had another crazy Red Zone. I don't even know what the Reds... I truly don't even... And I'm not a football... I don't know X's and O's. And then the cut to Callahan just going,

what the fuck are you doing? So clear for the camera. And I thought of you because I'm like, has any coach, high school, college, NFL, has there ever been that kind of play where you got that? The only time, yeah. So this just made me think of this. There is not a lonelier feeling in the NFL as a quarterback.

Well, one, when you throw a pick, and you just throw a pick at home, or especially at home, when you're just, it's silent, and you're just walking off the field, your head down in front of 70,000 people, and you just made a dumbass mistake. And then there's just a dumb, dumb ass mistake. Like, well, let this make, like, what are you trying to do? It is. And then, and then the picture of him on his knee, like, or whatever, like he's just, it was bad. So this got

me to think of, I'm pretty sure I've been MF before. I'm pretty sure. But the last game I ever played in the NFL was actually at Carolina. I was in Oakland and Carson went down. I was backing up Carson at the time. Carson went down like broke ribs. I think I remember this. Yeah. Crushed. Came in, was playing pretty well. Ended up like didn't play terrible, but we got beat like twenty eight seventeen or something like that and my last throw of my NFL career. Oh, no, no, I threw the ball. I threw the ball seven yards out of bounds. I threw it. Oh, dude, I can't even keep a straight face, dude. We were down and I think I don't know what it was, but I threw a go route like six yards out of bounds.

It lands out of bounds. It's one of those where, you know. Is that the one where like the line, like the camera guy catches it? Oh, bro, it's just, it's like, and we already lost, but I'm walking off the field, dude. And Greg Knapp, God rest his soul, he passed away a couple years ago. He was my quarterback coach in Houston and my OC in Oakland. I, uh, the greatest, the best quarterback coach, um, in the, on the planet loved him.

He sits me down and he goes, I don't know. He used to call me lefty. He goes lefty. I think he goes lefty. You know, got to give your receiver a chance, man. That's what I was like. I was like, Coach, like, yeah, you don't think I knew that. That was the last throw I ever made in my career. And I didn't get MF, but it was like, you know. It was MF without saying MF. It was like your kid strikes out three times in a game, and he walks in the car, and he's already disappointed,

and you look at your dad, and your dad just has that disappointing look. What else is there to say? Yeah, like, why are we going to all these hitting lessons to spend all this money when you can't hit? That was it. I felt like I let my dad down, dude. A little passive-aggressive, though. By the way, he was pissed because we lost.

Yeah. And, you know, starting quarterback got hurt. I came in and it was okay. Like, it was just one of those. But, dude. But I never got, I never got, I never got. Well, have you ever got MF'd on a set? Well, you know, I actually, you know, before we do every show,

I always have this talk with my manager, Lev, because he also has a great memory. He MFs me all the time but not on set he was also producer of Entourage and Ballers and a lot of great shows manages Wahlberg as well he MFs me in like real life jokingly because he's like my big brother never on a set although he did give me a passive aggressive like here's the worst thing you could do to an actor okay right that's similar to what coach did to you in that situation. It's called a line reading. Meaning, all right, I'm saying, Vince doesn't want to eat breakfast today.

And the director or one of the producers is like, don't say it like that. Say it like, and they tell you how to say it, and now it's in your head, and you're just screwed. Over. And then it takes 10 times to do it. Yeah, it's over. It's over.

So, but we tried thinking, no, that honestly didn't really happen. I think there was maybe a few times the actors MF'd the producer. I don't think it was the other way. And now, obviously, in the last five years, I think if you talk like that on the set, you're probably getting sued and your career's over. Have you ever been in a scene or in between scenes where you yelled at one of your, like? I wouldn't say yelled, but I guess so.

Or just like, come on, bro, get your shit together, but dead serious. Yes, here's a frustrating thing that can happen on this scene. Can we name the actor? Potentially. Let me think about it as I tell this story. But not knowing your lines is one of the more offensive things to do because not only could the scene potentially suck,

but then we all got to wait around for you to figure it out. And then you have crew members there who will work, you know, they're there before we get there and they're there after we leave. The last thing they want to do is, oh, you had a fun night out last night. That's why we're on tape 19 waiting for you to get your shit. So there's been a few times in my career, I'll try and think if I want to name one of the people. And I've always known my lines. I've struggled with lines sometimes, but I always know. It's not because of lack of work. There's been a few times

where I've gone to an actor and been like, dude, get your shit together. Is this on entourage or this on power? Not on power. I'll say not on power. How's that for an answer

without answering? I'll say not on power. There's been a few times where I've been like, dude, is this the first time you're looking at this scene ever on the day? That'd be like you looking at the play sheet for the first time. Well, like you said, dude, that's like the most,

I've learned a little, like, you know, I mean, I've acted enough to where I've had to like memorize lines or commercials or whatever. And it's like, but you're actually right. It's like one every, the amount of, I'm also amazed because we have a massive production on our big new kickoff. But for you and like movie sets and TV show sets,

like the amount of manpower and production that goes into that. And basically they're all there for you to make you look good and for you to do your line. And when you're not prepared, you're not organized, like, yeah, you're affecting the whole day. Kills the whole day. But it did get me thinking, and like I said,

I think in today's Hollywood, in the last five, seven years, if a director or producer, MF, motherfucking actor, I think their career is probably over and get sued. But I did just start thinking, I don't, you know, I've not really been cursed out much in my life. I have to go back to teenage years in Brooklyn,

running the streets, being a little punk. But there is one moment that sticks out. And it was real. And it was said with vitriol. It was at a Knicks game. I'm sitting courtside.

Like, again, shout outs to everybody at the Knicks for letting that happen. Now, this is in the dark days of the Knicks. This is not the Jalen Brunson Knicks. These are more the Chris Duhan Knicks. All those teams. And I'm sitting there with a friend and they're playing the we believe warriors like Baron Davis squad that went on that great run. The game's over. Knicks are getting slapped. So my buddy and I, we start talking about player shoes. Again, they're inbounding the ball right near you.

And I said something to a player, like jokingly, like, ah, I don't really love those shoes. And to see if you can guess the player, if you have to look at the roster, the player turned out. Was this for the Knicks or the Warriors? This is for a Warrior.

Matt Barnes. No, but- Steven Jackson. The garden was quiet because the game was over. Steven Jackson, who's three feet away from me, turns around and screams, shut the fuck up, motherfucker, and inbounds the ball.

I clutched the pearls, bro. I got scared. I froze. Bro, that's not someone- You don't want to piss off Steven Jack, dude. A, I don't want to piss off Steven Jackson. B, you know, again, I don't talk shit to athletes in the game because i just think that's corny and also you're going to motivate them potentially and it's like i don't want people coming to set shit talking me but we were bored and i didn't even think i i think i

commented that i didn't love his shoes could you imagine dude if you're just in the middle of a scene and like fans are allowed to heckle you while you're delivering a line? Oh, there's careers that would have ended. But they're still recording it? They're still rolling? I know several actors that would have retired early and their careers would be over because they would not be able to handle it. We can't handle criticism on things we shot a year ago. Things we filmed.

You guys are getting criticized in the moment. We can't handle criticism for something we shot a year ago. Things we filmed. You guys are getting criticized in the moment. We can't handle criticism for something we shot a year ago. That was the last one that stuck out for me. By the way, when you wear that Sixers jersey courtside, you might get MF2. I'm not doing this right now. We're going to do this later.

No, I know. Our Jets bet is I have to wear a Jets jersey. our Jets bet is I have to wear a Jets jersey. We've already. Yeah, but I, that Jets bet is not going to happen. And I'm more about the shooting concept.

We'll get into it later. It's not a big deal. We're going to get, we're going to give the people what they want. We're going to do one more quick game segment and then hit a break. I think this is a good way to talk about week three. If you're looking at the slate, instead of previewing every single game, let's boil it down to something every fan relates to which team do you think is

most in need of a win there's a lot but there's a lot to you who's your who's your number one because i got a couple well i have i have two that really stuck out but for me it's it's the bangles only because look because Washington's coming off a win, but it was a dopey win. Giants should have had a backup kicker. That's a story for another time. That's old news. If the Bengals were to lose to the Commanders

and go 0-3, would you say it's almost a wrap? You lose to the Commanders, the Patriots. They haven't even begun their divisional schedule yet. A wrap to make a playoff? Yeah, I can't say season's over. No, they've got a lot of time. They've got a lot of time left.

I don't know. To me, I have a second one, but I'm going to go after that. I've got two teams, too. I'm going to go Eagles. Yeah. Listen, they're one and one. Sorry, Andrew Gundling, our lovely producer. Saquon dropping in.

And they're on the road at the Saints this week right now, who's maybe the best team in the NFL with the best offense. We're going to learn a lot with that one. We're going to learn a lot. Exactly. We'll learn a lot about those teams. And then I was going to go Ravens. I think Ravens are similar to the Bengals as far as the expectation.

And they get the Cowboys this week who are just coming off getting their ass kicked. But then you've got to think they're going to bounce back. So you do not. I will say this. the expectation and they get the cowboys this week who just coming off getting their ass kicked but then you know you got to think they're going to bounce back so you do not i will say this i remember so the in the nfl you always like you always tried like you you basically divided your schedule into quarters so you at that time we played 16 games so four four four and four and we would sit with our coach. This was like quarterback means to be like, all right, you kind of map out who you thought you would beat.

You know, again, it's hard, but you kind of be like, all right, Hey, first quarter, we got to go two and two. You always want to go two and two. You never want to go one and three or own four, obviously two and two here. Hey, let's like, if we can go three in one here, like you just kind of map it out. It was like, we used to do that every year. And you just kind, let's, like, if we can go 3-1 here. Like, you just kind of map it out. It's like we used to do that every year, and you just kind of be like, oh, we should be, like, you know, the Chiefs are playing the Patriots. You would mark that as a W in your preseason, right? So you go 0-3 in the first quarter in that division where, I mean,

Pittsburgh, I mean, the division, right, it's really between the Bengals and the Ravens, but both teams go 0-3. Like, I don't care who you are. it's really between the Bengals and the Ravens, but both teams go 0-3. I don't care who you are. It's hard enough to win games in the NFL. I agree, Matt. And look, first of all, too, the loser of the Ravens-Cowboys game is going to be the headline on Monday.

If you're the Cowboys and you lose two straight home games, it's going to be Cowboys have no home field advantage anymore. This defense isn't as good as we think. Cowboys will get trashed if they go two losses in a row at home. Even though one and two, they'll still be okay in that division. At worst, they'll only be a game behind the Eagles. And if you're the Ravens, if you go 0-3, similar to the Bengals, it's bad.

I just think it's a little more justifiable for the Ravens if they go 0-3 and they lose to Dallas. And they lost to the Chiefs, obviously. And they lost to the Chiefs. But here's what I'll say about what you're saying. You're saying Bengals, Ravens, it comes down to. Steelers are 2-0. And I did a little deep dive with them. Now, they don't play their first divisional game

until week 11. Their bye week is week 10. Now, I know they have to work out some things with Fields and Wilson along the way, but along that route, they still get the Giants, the Commanders, the Colts, the Chargers, which, you know, you can't say anymore that's an easy win. That game might be 6-3 final, Chargers-Steelers,

but they get the Colts, and then they do get the Jets, but that's, you know, Jets, I think, will be coming around by that time. There's a chance the Steelers are effortlessly like six and two going into their first divisional game week 11 coming off a bye. They might have a pretty nice head start

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All right, it's time for one of my favorite segments now, the Can't Get Enough Sauce Moment of the Week, brought to you by Wendy's, where we highlight an athlete who did something positive on and off the field. And basically, we just can't get enough of this player. The same way we can't get enough of Wendy's new saucy nugs. Big shout-outs to Wendy's. This is a good week. A lot's happened. Matt, we're going to start with you.

Who is your can't-get-enough-sauce moment of the week player? So, my player is Arch Manning. Whoa! Okay, so how about this? Quinn Ewers goes down. So my player is Arch Manning. Whoa. Okay. So how about this? Quinn Ewers goes down. Quinn Ewers is going to be fine. Arch Manning, the expectation, the name,

maybe the biggest last name in collegiate sports since Bronny James and LeBron. And he goes in. He goes nine for 12, 223, four tutties. And then he has a 67-yard rushing touchdown where he topped 20 miles per hour. And then they're saying, oh, it was faster than a Tyreek kill,

which is obviously not true. Let's not get nuts. But five touchdowns in his debut, obviously playing a lot of football in a meaningful game. So the future is bright in Austin, Texas with Arch Manning. That is my player of the week.

Also potentially a Giants quarterback somewhere down the road. And then I just, you know, someone sent me basically the only time a Manning's gone 20 miles an hour is on the way to the game in their car. So maybe it's the best Manning of all time. We'll see. Got some wheels. That's a good one. For me, I don't have one person or play.

I have a bunch of people and it has nothing to do with my Giants. It's the Bills fans. Obviously, we saw what happened with Tua and now he's on IR and we're all anxiously just hoping that he's okay and everything's good. foundation. Then we go back, they donated 360 K following a Lamar Jackson concussion, 415,000 after bangles clinched a bangles win, helped them clinch their playoff berth. And then my favorite, they donated over 270 K to cat adoption after Tyler Bass missed the game time kick. So shout outs to the bills. We all love you going through tables and whatnot, but more so we love what you're, what you're doing and actually, you know, being funny, but also in a very helpful way. So shout outs. That's my, that's mine.

I will say this. I played in Buffalo for like five days. And the one thing that I took away from it was the fans. There was like a fan event that week. It was right before the regular season. And I was like, oh dude, like this is why you hear all the stuff about Bills Mafia, whether just

the good stuff they do or just the avid, the rabid fan base that they are. They're tremendous. But all right, man, we're going to go from good to bad here. And it wouldn't be a throwback show without talking about your squad, the Giants. All right. So there was a tweet over the weekend from Bobby Skinner of Talking Giants.

Basically said, Giants have been 0-2 in 10 of the last 12 years. That's disgusting. Hey, season's not over. Danny Dimes was not the reason they lost. How are we feeling? Matt, they scored, and someone said this has never been done before.

They scored three offensive touchdowns, gave up zero touchdowns, and lost. I don't know how you don't have a backup kick. Here's a dumb fan question for you. So you know Gano is hurt going into the game already, and then he gets hurt basically on the opening kickoff. Why would a coach not in that situation have another kicker on the roster for that game? Knowing your kickers already a little limp.

Like what position are you taking away from? Is it like a third string center? Like what are you keeping on the Ross on the, the active roster? You should just go for two every time, but well, they did, they did essentially.

And they, they didn't get it. I mean, look, you're not, there's teams. And they went for it every fourth down. Teams aren't keeping two kickers on the team, dude. I get it, but when you know already going into it...

I'm not saying it was healthy. So he was probably healthy enough to go. I mean, I'm sure he was taking warm-up kicks in the pregame, and he just aggravated it. And then, obviously, that changes. It's like, all right, we're going to go for two. One of the rare times that the loss is definitely not on Danny Dimes. I thought he played pretty well, but a lot of

Giant fans, speaking of throwing it back, went all the way back to 2007. Say, oh, you know, Giant started 0-2 in 2007 with a horrible defense, and then Strahan had that tackle to stop Washington, and then we went on our run. That's 2007.

I was not married with no kids starring on entourage throwing it back so but it did make some it did bring up a thought for me you're hearing that stat so i think we might know one of the answers right there but if you go back to say i like thinking in terms of decades so go back to 2014 the losingest franchises in the NFL, top five, meaning five is they've lost a lot, but number one is the losingest. Now, I did my list, and then I looked it up, so I'm ineligible, but I figured, you know, you played in the last...

Well, I did not play in the last decade. When was your last, 12? 2012 or 13, yeah. So good, you're not a part of this. This is wonderful. This was regular season, right? Correct? Regular season. Well, clearly, you're not a part of this. This is wonderful. This was regular season, right? Correct? Regular season.

Well, clearly they're not making the playoffs. Okay, so five, I put the Browns. Okay. Four, I put Carolina Panthers. Okay. Three, I put your Giants. Two, I put the Cardinals. And one, I put the Jags.

How many did I get right in the top five? So my top five, we were aligned on the Cardinals, and one, I put the Jags. How many did I get right in the top five? So my top five, we were aligned on the Cardinals. I had my Cardinals. I had your Cardinals in there as well. We were both wrong. The Cardinals are not on that list. Okay, so we're going to go. We're going to start at number five.

This is, so I did not have them on the list at all, and neither did you. The Bears. Ashton Kutcher's Chicago Bears. That makes sense. Number five. The Panthers are also not on the list. I guess Cam Newton in that period got them padded enough Ws to get them off,

but you were correct on the Cleveland Browns, but the Cleveland Browns is number four. Okay. We gave away one of the answers when you say a team's been 0-2 the last 10 years. Giants. New York football Giants number three. We're going to keep it in New York for a team that hasn't been in the playoffs

since I don't even remember the Jets. Basically, Sanchez was the last playoff appearance. And I was thinking, okay, so he must have played before that because I was thinking, oh, the Sanchez Jets, you know, with Ryan. Like, they had some pretty good years there, but that was before 24. I think that was similarly before. Yeah, because he was probably 07. Yeah, you're right.

So that was probably before when they've been downhill since. That was like their last run. And then number one, and I did not have this in my top five. I failed. Jacksonville Jaguars are the losingest franchise in the last 10 years.

I don't know. I guess when you, I didn't really think about it enough, but when you go through with the Blake Bortles and Gardner Minshew for a year and a half and just 10 years of ineptitude. I got three of the five.

You got three of the five. I'm surprised the Cardinals were not in there. I had the Cardinals too. I don't know. I'm trying to even go back to 2016. Andrew, who was the Cardinals too I don't know I'm trying to even go back to 2016 Andrew who was the Cardinals quarterback in like 2017 maybe it was Carson

maybe it was Carson and they went to a playoff so that's right I don't know if he was 17 but they had him and then his backup was Drew Stanton Drew Stanton yes and then they they had a couple years there, and then they drafted Kyler, what, three, four years ago.

So Andrew just texted us, dude. Jets' last playoff appearance was 2010. Yeah, so 2010. When they lost in the AFC title game to the Steelers, which, yeah, they're going on 15 years with no playoffs. Dude, it's rough to be a New York football fan right now. Yeah, but we got the Knicks. Two of the top five losing this organization

in the last 10 years hail from New York City. But we got the Knicks. We got the Knicks. That's all that matters. Cardinals 11-5, 2014. 13-3 in 2015. So that alone probably got them out of this. That was Carson.

That was Carson. Yeah. By the way, I cannot wait to do this pod during the NBA season with you. Oh, it's coming. And we're going to talk. You know what? There is a relevant NBA story. We're going to take a quick break and come back and talk about that. Alright, coming back here really quick. You mentioned you can't wait to do this show until the NBA

and we talked Woj, so that was our NBA fix, but really, really quick. The amount of stuff on Twitter, X, whatever, with Brunson with the Eagles jersey, what are we doing, Knicks fans? Let's not start this way. The man gets a pass. What do we care if he wears an Eagles fan?

I also don't understand whether it's a grown man wearing a jersey. I don't know, man. It's just a weird thing to me. I could picture weirdly, I could picture you wearing a jersey, and I think it's like a grown man wearing a jersey. I don't know, man. It's just like a weird thing to me. Like I could picture, weirdly, I could picture you wearing a jersey and like, I think it's okay. But I've never understood,

like I would never go, and I love Jim Brunson, but I would never go to a sporting event wearing a Kobe jersey or a, like I'm wearing a Dodger t-shirt right now. This is about as good as you'll get from me. I go t-shirt these days. I always laugh when grown men are wearing jerseys.

I think it's so funny. But yeah, he's a Philly fan. It's all right. So my buddy who's a comedian, Brett Ernst, amazing comic and huge Cowboys fan, has a joke in his bit where he says, I'll never wear another man's name on my back. Exactly.

I get the fandom of doing it, but when he says it like that, it's like, all right, that's a pretty macho way of saying he don't wear jerseys anymore. But yeah, he does wear cowboy jerseys, but there's no player name on the back. Kids all day, but grown men, no.

Hey, dude, you made a trade a couple weeks ago. I want to bring this back because we didn't- Oh, my football trade. You made a football trade. Okay, so first episode, you basically said that you're putting in the points at home with the kids. I think you're making meals.

You're driving. You basically missed your dad for the week to be able to watch football all day Sunday, right? With no interruptions. And it's mainly the biggest thing, which is one of my wife's biggest, not complaints, but she gets stressed out with more so not cooking dinner, but the prep for cooking dinner. If you get out in front and there's some moms and dads or just healthy eating people know, if you get out in front of the chopping and prepping, it's easy to cook, right?

But it's a chore. So my trade, yeah, was like, hey, look, I'll set up with the laptop and the TV and I'll just chop. I'll be the, I'm the sous chef. I'll get it all done. Week one, I said, I went one and O. It was a big success.

Week two, you know, and there's always one every year in football. I think it was a tie. I think I'm one. Oh, so is that true? Is that just hold up every week? Like honey now, honey, this is what I'll do. Just get, just let me have some peace. Let me have my Sunday. Let me have an afternoon. The kids out of the house for six hours. I was alone in the house. What a saint. But here's what's starting to happen, Matt. And you might not, this might not be a thing. I lived in LA 20 years. It wasn't nearly as big of a thing

as the East Coast and the Midwest. We all know it started, a lot of dads out there might know it's starting to become the fall, which means pumpkin picking, apple picking. For those weekends, fill up real quick. And I just feel like there's no way I'm going to have to give up a week in the next month

going into Halloween where I'm at a pumpkin patch or an apple orchard watching on my phone. So I say I tied. That's what Saturdays are for. No, no. Saturdays are for soccer and, and, uh, hip hop dance class. And one of the 40 activities that these do. Sunday's kind of a bye week for the kids. Bye day for the kids. They don't really have anything. And my wife's been amazing through two weeks. It's funny because before kids, she loved watching football. She used to beat me every week in fantasy. We'd go head to head on one of the apps. She would destroy me every week. That was like our thing. We'd go to goal, that very sport, the parlor, that sports bar where you went on a date with your wife.

Those days are over. She could care less. Dude, I don't even remember what life was like before kids. No, I don't. Every once in a while,

we'll talk about like, oh my God, we slept, we stayed up till 11 watching our, you know, the first show we ever watched was Bloodline,

I think at the time. Bloodline. Bloodline was a great show. Yeah. That was a good one. Like we would stay up and then like Game of Thrones the time bloodline was a great show. Yeah. Like we would stay up and then like game of Thrones, right. We would just go like binge that, but till midnight, not have to wake up. That was kind of before I was doing this job and she was, she was still acting. Right. So she like her schedule was kind of all over the place. I just don't remember.

And now, yeah, the weekends are filled with birthday parties and, and, uh, play dates and God, dude. Well, I might need to spice up the trade. We were talking off the air the other day with Andrew. I know Andrew was in a similar situation. He found himself wanting to make a trade as well. Andrew, I don't know if you have any updates on yours. I'm going to throw it out to the listeners right now.

You could either hit us on our socials at Throwback Show or email us. It's feedback at throwbackshow.com. And let us know if you've made similar trades or even if you have a better trade. Yeah. What are some of you guys doing in order to, in order to just live your best day on a Sunday, just like free of chaos.

I would love to know. The only thing that bites me in the butt is I'm gone Saturdays. And so Sunday is my day with the kids, and I enjoy that. And we have baseball, and Kaysen has baseball, four-and-a-half-year-old on Sunday. So I'm not necessarily able to be glued to the TV, but I am best believe I'm on my phone checking that scores all day. Yeah, it's all good.

It's a long season, and we don't even have basketball yet. At least with basketball, it's a long season, and we don't even have basketball yet. At least with basketball, it's a little... I could hold off on the Knicks game till 9 o'clock when everyone's asleep, and I'm really good at... If I record a game, I do have the Jedi discipline of not looking at my phone, not going on social media, and I will watch the game and just power through.

You're one of those guys. Basketball only, though. Not football. I can't do it with football. You cannot one of those basketball only though. Not football. I cannot read. You can't, you can't rewatch a sporting event that already happened. It's not rewatching.

I'm like a solid hour to hour and 20 behind with the commercial breaks and halftime. It's really, you're a solid hour behind. I can't do it with a playoff game. I'm saying Nick's Hornets on a Wednesday night in December. You could do it. It's the worst things to do. I'm going to introduce you to one of my boys

who he'll, he used to TiVo. He would TiVo a full Lakers game. Watch it the next day. I'm like, what are you doing, dude? I'll tell you who won right now. The Lakers won. The Lakers beat the Supersonics. Yeah. Oh, dude. Did you see,

I got a lot of people hitting me up on Twitter because of the Jane's Addiction sort of on stage fight with Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro, which it's Jane's Addiction because the Entourage theme song is Superhero by Jane's Addiction. I tried to get some backstory

why our producers went with that song there's no remembrance really of why but i can't tell you not a day goes by someone doesn't scream at me oh yeah oh yeah but turtle and i know you know the band has come out and just like canceled their tour that was wild so perry farrell and Dave Navarro, yeah, they get into an argument, and then a punch was thrown. It looked like Perry threw a punch, and I know the band has come out to cancel the tour, and I think Perry has some things he has to maybe get through. I don't know, and that's tragic, and you hope everybody's okay.

But it, again, got me thinking, you don't ever really see that with music and i tried really thinking about on set and i have a few things to pull from but does that even happen as much in nfl locker rooms you think testosterone fuel i mean i go back to geno smith getting punched i forget the broken face job broke his face in you know he's the quarterback of the team and any of your memories you have any where it came to i know arguments are one thing but we're actually came to punches i don't think so like the locker room is is an interesting place it's the great i would say it's the greatest place uh in sports just to be around like so many different guys and personalities but

there were a lot of like talking, get in your face, and then guys back it up just because you don't want it ever to get to the point of throwing a punch to your teammate, whether it's a quarterback or not. It's just the quickest way to ruin a locker room when you're supposed to be building up that locker room to win a Super Bowl, essentially, is your goal. And injure your quarterback.

Yeah, and injure your quarterback. I always thought it was like, you've seen this a million times when you see the training camp fights or whatever and people are punching you when you have a helmet on. But that's different than a locker room fight. Well, no, but we were always told like, well, one, quarterbacks are like,

anytime there's a scrum, get your ass out of there, dude. Don't even go in there. Stop trying to be a tough guy because no one thinks you're tough but it was like bro if you're gonna throw a punch make sure the guy's helmet is off you know how many guys have thrown punches with guys broken you're gonna break your hand man yeah um i i i'm curious of a set like like i've seen enough sets to where like I can't imagine there's brawls or fistfights, but there's got to be altercations, right?

Well, it's so funny you said what the quarterback is told during an on-the-field fight because I made that reference with Adrian Grenier. You played Vince. We did this scene in Vegas where we get into a fight with Seth Green and his crew

really funny episode a lot of people Seth Green one of the more memorable Entourage cameos but while we were like rehearsing it's so funny what actors do no actor wants to get beat up in a fight if you're doing a fight scene you don't want to be on the ground getting pummeled

and I have a funny story about when I got my ass kicked in the scene. Once we figure out how awesome we're going to look fighting, then Adrian, who plays Vince, is kind of like, well, what am I doing during this? I said to him, and Adrian's not a sports guy, I said, dude, you're the quarterback. He's like, what does that

mean? I'm like, it means you just walk away because you're the movie star and we got to protect you at all costs, so just walk away. He's like, oh, I didn't know that about quarterbacks. He knows nothing about sports. So he walks away. I did shoot this movie called Las Vegas, which was like senior citizen hangover, right?

And it was with Robert De Niro, Michael Douglas, Morgan Freeman. And in the movie, I get knocked the F out by Robert De Niro. So there's a few times, like I said, no actor wants to get beat up in a movie, but if you are going to get dropped, Jake LaMotta, the Raging Bull, is a good person.

So you did that? Was that like your own stunt? Did you get punched in the face? It was my own stunt, but here's where it's surreal, right? So we're doing the scene. I walk in and I kind of like brush up on this girl and act a little inappropriate. De Niro sets me straight.

I wise off to him and boom, drops me. So we do the first take. And I'm still in my mind like, holy crap, this is Robert De Niro, one of my childhood acting heroes. We do the first take. I go flying. I did my own stunt.

It wasn't that dangerous. And then he helps me up. And I'm walking back and De Niro's like, oh, Jerry, your shoe's untied. Be stunt. It wasn't that dangerous. And then he helps me up, and I'm walking back, and De Niro's like, oh, Jerry, your shoe's untied. Be careful. You don't want to trip. It was like my uncle telling me to tie my shoes. But as far as on a set, look, I have never seen punches thrown.

I've certainly seen heated arguments, first of all. Most actors are a bunch of, I don't know, how much can I curse on here, bleep me, Are a bunch of b****es. I'm sorry. We're not sure. The last thing you're trying to get is the pretty face. Hold me back. And then there's also that. You punch Adrian in the face and he has a black eye. We shut down for

three weeks. I can't picture Adrian getting in a fight. No, no, no. never. And we protect him. Like we're like his offensive line. Yeah. But, uh,

I, so again, I went to my manager, Lev, and I was like, does anything stick out to you? And he said, look within the last 10 years.

No, it's never, never, never. But he's like, if I go back in the files, I think I could conjure up a few stories that maybe got either to that level or very close with some pretty... I'm going to try and lure him on to talking about it.

Or Wahlberg, because Wahlberg for sure has to... If it ever happened on the set, I feel like he might have seen it. We got to get Wahlberg on. I'm sure that guy's got stories for days. He's the best. You never met Mark? I don't think I've ever met... We have a couple

mutual friends. He's like one of my favorite actors. I just feel like if I met him, I feel like we would just be boys. He would just be like, he's like one of the guys. You know what I mean? And then you get into a lot of good Celtics, Lakers banter. You always see Mark when the Celtics were playing in LA. He always takes his kids. Yeah. No, he's a legend, man. He's awesome. Just seems like Mark when the Celtics were playing in LA. He always takes his kids.

He's a legend, man. He's awesome. Just seems like one of the good ones. Yeah. All right. What are we watching this weekend? One of my favorite things. You can either pick a game, a football game, whatever, sporting event, TV show. If you could pick one thing to watch this weekend,

what is the real Matty Ice watching? Is it what I'm watching or what I'm forced to watch with my wife? Because you know what I'm- Either or. You know what I've been forced to watch? Emily in Paris. Okay. It's so funny because we're leaving-

I actually like it. I actually like it. I actually like it. I don't mind it. Everyone's asking me if I'm going to Giants Browns because the Giants are in Cleveland. I am not. I am heading to the Bahamas, mind. Everyone's asking me if I'm going to Giants Browns because the Giants are in Cleveland. I am not. I am heading to the Bahamas, folks.

That's right. Oh, yes, baby. Derek Jeter and the Turn 2 Foundation have their charity outing. First of all, if you're a baseball fan, this is an unbelievable event. It's like Ken Griffey Jr., Andrew Jones, Fred McGriff, Tino Martinez, like these awesome baseball names. So I will not be going to Giants Browns,

but I was talking to my wife about, what are you going to watch on the plane? Emily in Paris. Really? Biggest show. That's one of the biggest shows out there for men and women or men that are forced to watch. It's good.

It's good. I actually like, I enjoy it. Another show that she's like randomly binging right now that I, it weren't like these weird schedules because I'm, she's pregnant. So she's tired. So she's in bed early. She likes to kind of put on like mindless TV at night, you know, cause she's on her lawyer. She's on all day. You got to detach. Yeah. And then I get into bed a little later and I'm ready to go to bed. She's watching Gilmore girls. She brought

back Gilmore girls. And I'm like, if you're going to bring anything back, bring back like Dawson's Creek or One Tree Hill or like let's get a 90210. Like let's just go. Let's go old school. Throwback. That's a true throwback. We should maybe do that.

Like what throwback show would you watch? We should do, we should get James Vanderbeek on. Talk Dawson's Creek and then talk- Varsity Blues. I got a million Varsity Blues questions because he kind of had the arm talent. Look, one of my biggest pet peeves

He did not. Oh yeah, is seeing an actor who can't throw. He was okay. There's that one dude who's a very, very famous meme. It's not Stephen Amell. It might be Robbie Amell. It's funny because you might have Stephen Amell on the show at some point. And it's like a close-up, but it just looks like the dude never threw a football.

There's ways around this, guys. Most underrated quarterback movie actor, Keanu Reeves, The Replacements. Did you ever see that movie? You know, I've done the Academy Awards of sports movies. Fantastic movie. I would like to do that with you. Yes, let's do that. Maybe for a segment, we could break it up

because I am obsessed with sports movies, right? Oh, they're the best. Rankin sports movies are the greatest thing ever. We're going to do that. And that's a fun thing to get the audience involved in. right for me yeah i i what do you got i'm definitely gonna watch some youtube golf i love to watch youtube golfers whether it's bob does sports good good grand whore about all those guys because i'm getting ready for that but bottom line is i'm watching football it's just happening because sunday i'm to be in the I'm going to try and watch the game.

Are you golfing Sunday? You're golfing Saturday? A little golf in the morning. It's every day. We're golfing every day. So what day? Sunday it ends what? Like afternoon? Sunday it ends like right around one. Then you're just going to the bar having a drink and watching football. Exactly. I'm going to try to

pull like Ken Griffey Jr. By the way, I'm going to try Ken Griffey Jr. My favorite baseball player I'm going to try Ken Griffey Jr., my favorite baseball player of all time, by the way. And his golf swing is just as pretty to watch as his baseball swing. Best swing of all time. I met him at a game. He was the hitting coach.

I was at a Dodger game and he was a hitting coach for the team they were playing. This was whatever. And I was like, and he was awesome but i went up to him i said dude you were like i would say you were my favorite favorite player of all time and he was you know i talked to him about uh obviously we all love his his baseball shoe which is like iconic back in the day as a throwback and you know obviously you know jordan makes great golf shoes we need the ken griffey Jr. colorway, but the golf shoe virgin.

Soft spikes on the bottom. I would love to golf in some Ken Griffey Jr. Also, one of the best Ken Griffey Jr. baseball, I think was on Super Nintendo. Super Nintendo. That's a great one. Yeah, that game was so fun. God, we got Griff.

Griff the kid. Yeah, we came in with where you were. Where are you going this weekend, Matt? Where am I going this weekend? I am going to Columbus, Ohio. When I'm leaving. For an absolute beat down of Marshall. That's what I'm going to.

Nice 40 point spread. Oh, bro. You know what? It's always fun to go to Columbus. Great town. We're staying. great town we're staying guess we're staying where muirfield oh yes we're staying like golf boys and that we're staying in the in the big houses they have there on the golf course yeah anyone golfing uh i've imagined time yeah i imagine like urban usually, they usually golf.

But yeah, Muirfield, which is cool. And obviously one of the best teams in the country. So this first time we got them this year. So it'd be good. It'd be fun to find that. They got a lot of good games on this weekend too. So it'll be fun, man. We're going to have a lot to recap.

You're coming back from Columbus. I'm coming back from the Bahamas. I cannot wait to hear about the Bahamas. Honestly, that's going to be rad. There's this one moment I have in my head where they do this thing where they do closest to the pin with all the celebrities on a par three, right? And we did it last year. J.R. Smith won.

I think I put it to like 25, a very mediocre shot. But it got me thinking like, obviously all hole-in-ones are fantastic. You get a hole-in-one that's iconic. Everyone except for Derek Carr, who got a hole-in-one alone and had to film himself alone. Couldn't celebrate with anyone. I don't think there's a better hole-in-one

outside of on the PGA Tour for millions of dollars. There might not be a better hole-in-one than at the Turn 2 golf tournament. Imagine I hole out from 160 yards and I turn around and it's Jeter, Griffey, Tino, all these baseball players I respected my whole life. That's who I'm celebrating

with. Are you chest bumping guys? What's your celebration? I don't even know because also they film all of it. There's drones in the sky. So this would be the greatest social media clip I could ever achieve. No pressure. And it would be good for the show. It would be good for throwbacks. You better hold that. You better hold it. All right, that's going to do it for us.

Thank you, everybody, again, who's downloaded, listened, helped us get to number one on Apple Podcasts, which was real cool. And if you haven't already subscribed, subscribe to us and follow us on social media at Throwback Show on all platforms. We look forward to hearing from you. Matt, have a good one. Safe travels, buddy. I'll see you next week.

Later, bro. You too.