Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Torpedo Bats, Memories of the “Bush Push” & Justin Thomas Talking Masters

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

FORE!  With just a week to go before the Masters tees off, we’re joined by 2-time major winner, Justin Thomas!  JT talks about his preparation for these 4 days in Augusta, which players would make up his “perfect golfer” and whether he gets more nervous for the Masters or the Ryder Cup.  Justin also tells us how he deals with a particularly tough loss and what his golf outings with Michael Jordan are like.  Then, Matt looks back on his most unforgettable drive (yup, the one vs Notre Dame in ‘05), we reflect on the life of Val Kilmer including his memorable appearance on Entourage and Jerry tells Yankee haters to quiet down with their criticisms of the torpedo bat.      New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s    Head to the Wendy’s App To Get a $1 JBC or $1 Double Stack with Offer and Additional Purchase. https://m-wendys.app.link/marchmadness25  Nissan  Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.  Go to https://NissanUSA.com/Armada to learn more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You mentioned like the pro-ams. No other sport has that. Just imagine, you know, LeBron's out there getting ready for like game six of the NBA finals, and he's got to have a fun little five on five pick up game against guys that suck at basketball. We're going to do it for five hours right before you play. Welcome to another episode of throwbacks. I almost wanted to start with hello friends. My Jim Nance from the masters. Hello friends. We'll get to that in a second. You're wearing Augusta shirt. I'll show you. I'll show you what we got. But thanks for taking in the show today.

Everybody just, if you can subscribe on YouTube, follow on Apple and Spotify, all our socials, at Throwback Show. Email us, feedback at Throwback Show. We've been reading a lot of mailbag stuff. Later in the show, we have another mailbag question we're gonna do, but we have a big guest today. Yes, I am wearing, and I'm showing it. If you can't see it, if we're gonna do, but we have a big guest today. Yes, I am wearing,

and uh, I'm showing it. If you can't see it, if you're listening only, I'm wearing a Augusta 1986 Jack Nicholas t-shirt. Your vintage, your vintage shirt game has stepped up for sure, by the way. I have a good vintage shirt game. Shout outs to homage and some other companies, 70s sports. Uh, I told my wife, Matt, I'm like, hey babe, we got JT on the show. What do you think she said? Justin Timberlake? She said, oh my God, you have Justin Timberlake on the show. I said, no, no. By the way, that is not JT anymore. In the, in the, in the almost year, not even a year that I've known you, it feels a longer Jerry. That's how good It's how great closely become a sign of a good friend. I have never Seen you more nervous Excited the tone of your voice the tone of your texts

then when it was talking about Justin Thomas coming on the show and Big shout out. What's your name? What's your two boys names? My boy Drew Page. Shout out to Drew Page. Thank you, Drew. Yeah. So Drew, he's gonna love this because he's always like, Hey dude, hype me up. Come on, bro. Come on. So Drew is like one of my favorite people on earth right now. He got us. Yeah. Drew, Drew's wife and my wife are best friends since college. Like they live like a half a mile from us. Drew lived in Jupiter where a lot of the guys are. Drew played golf at Oklahoma State with some of the guys on the tour.

So he was a pro, whatever. He works for Scotty Cameron. So he and JT became boys out in Jupiter and just played a bunch and stuff. So Drew hooked us up. JT's awesome. Awesome dude. Awesome dude.

We talked to us a week short of the Masters, you know, and we did the interview already so if we're wearing different clothes, that's why if you're watching on YouTube. I actually put on my Travis Mac. I didn't. Cause I couldn't, I didn't want to wear the Augusta shirt in front of Justin Thomas. This is how you know I was

overthinking it. I didn't want to seem like a total nerd. So I didn't wear my Augusta shirt for when I was interviewing Justin Thomas. I'm't want to seem like a total nerd. So I didn't wear my Augusta shirt for when I was doing. I'm throwing I'm throwing cash on JT to win this fucking. Oh, now we have to friend of the shit like if he's happening, we're doing and I don't want to I want everyone I want people the interview is awesome and I don't want to give it away. But I think we might get some type of special shout out if JT just fucking goes absolutely nuts in the Masters next week. I'm not gonna say anything else.

I want everybody to listen to it, because it's phenomenal. He's a big sports fan. He's such a great dude. He's obviously one of the best freaking golfers in the world. He's playing well right now too. I know they won the TGL a couple weeks ago.

He almost won the tournament a couple weeks ago. Obviously he fell short, but he's still playing really fricking good going into the Masters. I'm so excited to talk to him. For some reason I had all my dates wrong and I thought the Masters started this week. Swear to God.

When we were interviewing him the other day, I was thinking like, he's in his house. Wow, he hasn't even left for Georgia yet. Like what, he's so calm. It's probably like your first date with Bree, how you were just all over the place. I'm way more nervous with Justin Thomas. I was gonna say, this is like,

I've never seen you like this. I've never seen you like this. I'm smitten, I'm giddy. It's actually quite funny. And we now are in a group text together, and I can't. Well, I was about to say, we group text. It's the best thing you ever did for me. Dude, I know, I was was like I gotta put him on this

He's gonna love this shit. Oh and by the way, we're gonna play golf together at some point too, which will definitely happen Well, even if it means we have to go out to Florida That's what I wanted before we and we're gonna we're gonna get to our our Wendy's fresh moment But before I get to that I was thinking about this too with golf and obviously the Masters is coming That's really ringing in the golf season for like casual fans For die-hard fans. You've been watching for a while, but the cool thing we talk a lot about this with Justin Timberlake Justin Timberlake, Justin Thomas Jesus. I'm a mess But what I was thinking about too Matt as you start to play here or there is there any other situation in the world?

Where you once you get obsessed with golf where you would go hang out with three other people that maybe you barely know or know a little for four to five hours in a golf cart golf is the oh I will go play with strangers I will go play with people I've only met one time yeah I can't four hours I can't do that I can't do that. You'll get it. That's my goal. I can't sit in a golf cart with someone I don't know. I do. Sorry, bro. I will rip. I will rip.

I haven't had, golf makes me think of vodka lemonades, dude. And I know all the guys listening out there are fucking with me. It's the only time I used to be a big vodka guy, switched to tequila. It's the only drink I order on the course is a vodka lemonade. And about one and a half in, switched to tequila. It's the only drink I order on the course is a vodka lemonade and about one and a half in I am fucking well the new drink that really I mean for the last two summers there's always like a new golf drink every summer not even

like there's always the canned ones but transfusions have been the drink of choice on golf. That's a little grape juice a little club soda. It's a little, yeah. Anyway. Sorry to write on your parade. I'm not a big stranger guy on the golf cart. I think that's kind of weird. I mean, the stranger thing, I'm more saying like maybe someone you've met one time, right? And you don't know very well. Golf is that sport that like you, like you, it brings everybody together.

It's so fricking hard. Everybody's kind of on a level playing. I guess it is. It's the ultimate, you know, they always say what you do business on their social, rip a cigar, talk like it is the ultimate social sport in my opinion, that makes it very unique. And every time I play, even though I don't play a lot that I love that part about it. I love smoking a cigar and fucking having a vodka lemonade and yelling in someone's backswing. Like that's,

I just love doing that. You yelling in someone's backswing. Like that's, I just love doing that. You yell in people's backswings? I mean, it depends on who I'm golfing with, but yes. You football guys, man. And by the way, I'm not even gonna, I'm not gonna give the name of who we have on next week, which is gonna be a very exciting week for throwbacks and for us.

But I have yelled in this guy's golf swing many of times and he fucking sucks in golf, he's worse than me. But there's a teaser to next week's guest. We're gonna get to Justin Thomas in a second. We mentioned too following, subscribing, all that stuff. And also I wanna just again tell you the importance to you listening and watching, rating the show, reviewing the show, it really is helpful.

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Are we becoming like shake and bake? Like a little Talladega nights? Dear baby Jesus. All right. It's time now for Fresh Mo moves brought to you by Wendy's. Head to the Wendy's app to get a $1 JBC or a $1 double stack with offer and additional purchase. I got a fresh move of the week for you, Matt.

And it's been all the talk. Baseball season is upon us. My Yankees in the crosshairs again, the evil empire, because their fresh move has been Torpedo Bats, which by the way, what a ridiculous name for a baseball bat. What's worse, Torpedo Bat or Tush Push? I think Tush Push still takes the cake as the worst nickname for any professional thing,

but Torpedo, here's what I'm gonna say. Number one. Can I interrupt you really quick? Get in on it, get in on it. No, no, no, I'm going to say. Number one. Can I, can I, can I interrupt you? Get in on it, get in on it. No, no, no, no, I want to ask you a question because again, like I said, my Dodgers are undefeated at the moment and.

No torpedo bats either. No torpedo, no, no torpedo bats. I love baseball. I will get certainly in the mix here as the season gets going. All I've heard about are these torpedo bats. I have no, I have not read or researched what they are, why they are all of a sudden implemented now. So before you go off on your tangent, can you please educate me on why torpedo bats are happening at the moment?

If anyone listening to is unfamiliar, because you don't watch baseball till September, which I've been guilty of,, someone within the Yankee organization that believes from MIT, they ran a bunch of tests and they figured out that they kind of just moved the sweet spot and stack it. They're just basically taking wood from another part of the bat. And the barrel's in a slightly different spot

and it does make the bat look kind of crazy. And I think they ran a bunch of tests with Volpe maybe in the off season. And yeah it's a thing now every this is available to every team this is not exclusive to the Yankees like I don't know if it was Stanton or one of the other Yankees tried it hated the torpedo bat Aaron judges for home runs he's like second in the league through three or four games which not using the torpedo bat yeah jazz chism on the Yankees who was struggling a little bit while in the World Series is using the torpedo bat. Jazz Chisholm on the Yankees, who was struggling a little bit while in the World Series, is

using the torpedo bat and is absolutely murdering the ball. Here's what I'm going to say. My advice to everybody yelling who love to hate the Yankees, which is fine, get over it. Get over it. I called my mom in this situation. She's one of the biggest Yankee fans. She's the reason why I'm a Yankee fan, Matt.

My mom hates change. She does not like to pit. My mom's one of the few who doesn't necessarily... She's the reason why I'm a Yankee fan, Matt, okay? And my mom hates change. She does not like to pick. My mom's the one of the few who doesn't necessarily, she likes the pitch clock, but she needed to be sold on it at first because forget about starting the- Pitch clock is great. Pitch clock is great.

Forget about starting the runner at second base and extra innings. So I asked her about it and she said, "'You know what, Jerry Charles?' She calls me by my middle name. She's like, I don't love it. J.C. J.C.

Fuckin' J.C. But she said, I remember't J.C. J.C. or what she said. I remember a time where it 60s when they changed gloves, like, oh, the first basement glove is going to be five inches bigger. And so she's like, as long as it's available to everyone, I don't see what the big deal is. Everyone can go use it if you find it works for you. So my mom also, I don't even know if she likes the Yankee shaving. That's how old-school my mom is she like I mean she still like wants them to shave I think Yankees have the shortest porch in the MLB too. So let's not like every stadiums different. It doesn't matter

Yeah, torpedo bats remain legal So as long as they file the MLB rule 3.02 which states the bat shall be a smooth round stick not more than 2.61 inches which states the bat shall be a smooth round stick, not more than 2.61 inches in diameter at the thickest part and not more than 42 inches in length. The bat shall be one piece of solid wood. That's the rule in the rule book. That's it. That's a fresh move though,

because the Yankees got some pop now, baby. Jerry, you got to be careful reading that quote again, if you know what I'm saying. Okay, let's. Don't clip that in social, please. I'm going to, since we're going into JT, my fresh move is just going to be my golf game and lack thereof, and I'm going to make this brief.

I played the par three little course over at Topgolf by the House, which we are going to play next week. Okay. There's 10 holes, three holes are literally, there's a hole that's 52 yards. Like it's short. There's a couple of holes that you're gonna maybe use a nine iron.

First time I've played golf since June of last year in Cabo when I played in a tournament. Jerry, I parred five out of 10 holes, which is not terrible. It's not, no, it's not terrible. It's not bad. I had three holes where I shot a nine on a par three. And my fresh.

Shouldn't even take a nine on a par three. No, I didn't even write it down. Just take a six and walk off. I was like, at that point, I played my agent. I took money off him because he's fucking terrible, but I actually felt bad taking the money from him. Like, dude, I don't deserve the 60 bucks that I won. But my fresh move is that I have to like, like this,

like I keep saying this golf game is just calling me this year. It's calling, it's calling me to just, just to get out there and swing the stick. So I need, I need advice on where to start. And I, I should ask JT this, but on where I start with my golf game from you. Do I like, is it just getting to the range and just hitting and just

getting a feel for the club? I feel like, I feel like this week I lost feel of my clubs. You know what I mean? That will happen. That happened. And I'm like, like my pitching wedge is usually like, I have a good, pretty good wedge game to be honest with you. My chips were awful. So I don't know, man. I'm getting nervous because I want to take your money next week too, but I just don't know if it's going to happen. Here's what I'll say. And then, and we'll get to JT, uh, because you are an athlete, a professional world-class athlete, I would suggest to you, and you have a baseball background. I don't, I think driver and three wood and some of those clubs, I think you're going to have an easy time with three word,, dude I've never used a three wood in my life because I can't hit it I can't well

But what I'm saying is I think the learning curve for you with those clubs you'll be able to launch it You're not gonna have like a distance problem. You're a big tall dude, right for you I think to get those nines away early is go to a range try to make it for bring your air bring air pods So you could pump some music or you can listen to whatever and just go out there on a nice sunny day and just like hit those little 50, 60, 70-yard shots and like get into a rhythm and make it fun. Like it's not a workout, but if you go hit 100 shot,

like it's a good way to cap your day. I think my problem, so here's my problem though, is like I have a pretty, like I have a tight back. My hips are great, like no joke. Well, you got two new hips But my but my back is tight So I don't have a lot of torque in the right in the mid so like my swing is you know, like sure here and not Okay, you got which is fine. Yeah, which is fine. I think I swing too hard and then like a deal We all want someone told me like hey just slow down your swing a little bit and be a little more smooth

So I love this though. This is the beginnings And then someone told me, hey, just slow down your swing a little bit and be a little more smooth. I love this, though. This is the beginnings. As we roll into the Justin Thomas interview, this is the I'm sorry. Your teasing next week is what you're doing. This is the beginnings of someone catching a golf bug. This is it.

You're watching it in real time. Everyone tweet it, Matt Liner, at Matt Liner. Just berate him with golf stuff. it in real time. Everyone tweet it. Matt liner at Matt liner. Just, just berate him with golf stuff. You know, those AI pictures that you see that where everyone's like, like my, my, my boy, my boy, Clay Travis is getting crushed with, with playing a flute online, everything. Let's start making some AI pictures of me golfing. Let's do it. Let's do it. And let's get to Mr. Justin Thomas. Thank you, Wendy's. All right.

Well, let's dive in. I like where we're at right now, Justin. So yeah, those of us just joining us, just thank you for joining us. So you were saying too, at one point, like you guys until you'll talk in the locker room, like, can you get, was it a hit in the major league game or like a point off? I don't think you can get a point off Federer. I know. I think that seems impossible. I think it's, I think even as like literally returning a serve, I think it's returning a serve and maybe getting like bat on a ball or something. There's, there's a lot of nuances. And then that turned into, okay, if you had,, if you had a penalty kick, do you have a better chance of penalty kicks or scoring

in like a, a penalty shot and all these things. And you know, you get a couple of those big egos and guys like, Oh, I can make a penalty kick is 50 50. It's like, yeah, that's if you hit the net, it's 50 50, but like you're not, you probably not going to hit the net. I think it was like, remember the member Jenny Finch back in the day, the softball pitcher. And I think a couple of guys went up against her from.

Thought they could hit her. Yeah. And she's throwing like 70 miles per hour, which is equivalent to like 110 from the MLB. And the guys couldn't touch her. It's the same. I think hitting a baseball, god, I don't know. Roger Federer, like 120 mile per hour serve.

I don't even think I could see that. You couldn't see it. I think I have a better chance in baseball than I need tennis. Cause I think, I feel like the luck of just, I mean, I could just kind of go like this. And I'm not saying that's going to be any kind of hit by any means. But you could leg it out to first base. Potentially.

My chances of, of getting bat on ball are significantly better than I think. And it's cause a tennis serve, it's like, first off, I'm going to be so far back that better spin that that thing's coming with. He could kick that thing over my head. Like I, I, yeah, it's, it's a, did you play a lot of tennis growing up or like what other, any other sports or with golf? I played basketball like up through middle school. Um, and then I, I realized I wasn't really any good at that. And if I should probably stick to something I am,

if I want to play it for my life, but see that's the great equalizer with golf and full disclosure, I'm, I'm just a golf nut, right? I love the game. And that's the funny part about golf is I can go to the same spot as you from 50 yards out and I could blade one and it could run up there accidentally and nestle up next to the hole

and then you can go hit this perfect shot that might be like seven feet away. That's such a, to me that's always been the fun part about golf is that I could accidentally hit a shot and get lucky and that shot will make me wanna come back and play way more. And of course over time you'd see how badly I suck. But I just don't think I'm touching any pitches

or I still think I could do Matt's thing. I think I could complete a handoff, but that's the story for another day. During the lock, the MLB lockout, I guess it was like two years ago. I live down in South Florida. So like, you know, I got a couple of teams that spring trained down here,

but they have some pretty big baseball facilities. And I've got to know some of the guys that come down through here, whether through my trainer or just golf fans or whatnot. And Paul Goldschmidt trains with my trainer. And I got to know Anthony Rizzo pretty well from when he was on the Cubs. My guy would go visit when I go visit my now wife, she's from Chicago. So I would always strategically go visit her during a little Cubs

home stand and go watch the games. But, but they were again, during lockout. They're trying to stay kind of in shape. And they're literally 20 minutes from my house, kind of all staying into it. And they're like, why don't you come take BP with us for a day? I was like, I'd love to, but I want to, you know, I don't want to like get in y'all's way. And so I go out there, they're great.

And I'm taken to BP and, and some of the pitchers were there to try to stay fresh too. And, uh, Mack Scherzer was there and they're like, Oh no, do you want to stand in on Scherzer? I'm like, I mean, not really, to be honest, it's a great story though. It's a great story on the podcast. Well, uh, it's like, I mean, uh, like again, you guys are here, you're trying to stay in game kind of competitive mode. I was like, I don't want to. And they said, they're like, look,

if you're going to face anybody Scherzer might be the best. Not only does he have the best control of anybody, but he is the best, probably, especially at the time. They were like, you should. I was like, fuck it. I'm doing it. Give me up going in there. And I just, I was not taking it. How scary was that? It was pretty wild. I got it. I got a video. I'll send it to you, Matt. It's a, it was fun, man.

I would have, I would have done that for hours if, if they weren't kind of in a little bit of a routine, but it was, he threw, I think they clocked like his, um, one of his fastballs at like 94 or something like that. It was, he threw this, he threw this, this curve ball. I had to miss it by three yards. It wasn't even close. I love just seeing your heart rate when you step in and dig in the box. Yeah, I'm just kind of like itching my way up there, but man, it was so cool.

Do you get a chance to play with those guys in the off season and stuff? I played some programs with them. It's funny. I feel like a lot of the sports are very similar, like in terms of, of how, although a lot of, especially all athletes, a lot of them just hit these, they have crazy, crazy speed, but they just hit big cuts, big slices. Every baseball player is kind of similar to quarterbacks where it's like they're like, they get everything. Yeah.

Very open or it's like baseball guys They kind of all you know aim a little right and they slash across it because you know That's what what they do forever. I'd say some of the hockey players are some of the best kind of consistently of like the crazy speed and somewhat straight but But man, it's freak freak freak athletes that's for sure. I was gonna ask you who's the best because you always see like the you know like the like the Tahoe tournament right where all the athletes play and I think John Smoltz is kind of one of the guys and Tony Romo those guys are really

good non-professional golfers who's is there someone like that you've played with that you're like holy shit, this dude is really good? Or maybe they've beaten you, or who's the best non-professional golfer? A lot of strokes. JT's giving a lot of strokes to these dudes if he's losing. Some of these guys are good, man. I mean, I've played with Romo a good bit.

Romo's really good. I would say just over, you know, if you put all those guys in 10 rounds, he's gonna to have great chance. I mean, Marty fish is really good. Yeah. But man, if I, I still think if when Steph is done playing and he can play more golf, like he just, the first I played with them a couple of times and he just did, did things and like hit those shots where you're like, you, you know, you know, you got freak talent.

Like it just, it just crazy good hands around the greens and like just the, the little subtle adjustments and, and man, uh, I think, yeah, if he, if he was able to put more time into it, I think he'd be probably the best consistent amateur, at least athlete wise, but there there are definitely some good ones. So that's the other thing that's always fascinated me when I started playing too. You mentioned like the Pro-Am's. I've been fortunate enough to play in a few Pro-Am's,

but you know, I'm never going, that's how the whole conversation started when you jumped in about me taking a snap. You know, I could play a Pro-Am with you theoretically, but I'm not going to take snaps with Matt at us. There's no other sport in the world where I would get the chance to play for four hours with you and talk. And what I realized too is, and I've had two interesting experiences with pro ams, but I was on a golf trip down in Florida this past weekend. And one of the guys played in the program with you last year

and was like, Oh, you're going to love talking to Justin Thomas. He's the best great guy. And then you realize like, Oh, we all talk after we play with you guys, we go back to our boys and we're like, this guy is unbelievable. He's awesome. We're best friends now. It's such a unique thing. No other sport has that. It's, it's wild. It's, um, it is, you know, it's, it's just kind of, it's one of those kind of traditions of the game of golf that, that we have. And, and, um, you know, obviously bigger sports, they don't necessarily need things like that for, for income or for, you know, not that, not that it's keeping the tour or keeping the, the tournament to float by any means, but I mean, it's, it's some serious money that they're, they're raising. tournament to float by any means. But I mean, it's, it's some serious money that they're raising, whether it be for

the local charities or whatnot, but the, I always thought Jason Duffner said it best, he's like, just imagine, you know, LeBron's out there getting ready for like game six of the NBA finals. And here's he's got to have a play a fun little five on five pickup game against us, like guys that suck at basketball, terrible athletes and like, yep, we're, we're going to go out there. We're going to do it for five hours, right? Before you play.

I realized early on, this is like back in oh nine when that Kapaluwa tournament used to be the Mercedes Benz. I played with Jeff Ogilvie, did not talk to me for four holes. Right. I'm like, I heard he was a nice guy, Birdies the fifth. And then he comes right over with a big smile on his face. Oh, I love entourage. I'm like, dude, you had me nervous. Like, oh, sorry, I had to get my bearings. And then you realize like, because that tournament counted for his score. I'm like, oh, you're playing for lots of money and a win, like the first tournament of the year.

And I'm over here like semi upset. You haven't talked to me in four holes. And the whole thing Yeah, I've learned early on that um I just try not to get in the way, and I'm just happy to be out there Yeah, everybody's different. It's there you know some places are even different than others, but I've Fortunately been on tour long enough where the Wednesdays kind of you know one of my practice rounds I don't necessarily need to like go there Monday or Tuesday to learn the courses like I did early on.

So it's just kind of getting acclimated with the course. But I generally will set the tone very early with my pro and group that like, hey, obviously I want you guys to play well. I want to play well, but like this is not make or break my week. And like, we're out here to have fun. So like, I'm going to, I'm going to make fun of you. I'm going to like, we're not putting putts inside of four feet.

Like you guys paid a lot of money to be here. You don't need to be grinding. Like let's just have fun and have a laid back day. Cause you know, you'll have the guys, oh, let me play the back tees with you. It's like, why would you want to do that? That doesn't sound fun. I usually play with a lot of gimmies.

I get a lot of gimmies when I play 18 holes. I'm JT, I'm terrible, dude. I can't with a lot of gimmies. I get a lot of gimmies when I play 18 holes. JT, I'm terrible, dude. I can't fucking play golf. It's surprising. And our buddy- Do you want to? I want to. Or is it?

So our mutual friend, Drew, has inspired me a little bit. Jerry has really inspired me. I'm all over him, Justin. Since we started this podcast. He is all over me. And when I play, I love playing. I just haven't found the itch. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But I'm inspired, and you're inspiring me. And Drew's, and it's funny, Drew and I have a bet. And Jared Drew's our mutual friend. Drew was on the tour with you early on, right? You guys were together, and then how did you guys meet? We were a couple years apart in age, but just, um, yeah, he's, yeah, he was a good friends with, you know, a bunch of the guys that kind of live down here in Jupiter. And

it's, I moved down here kind of around the same time he did. And we just, you know, we had a kind of a big group of us that would just either play and hang out and whatnot. And, uh, and now he's, yeah, coincidentally still, he's out working, working for Scotty Cameron. So I get to now it's good. I get to boss him around. I'm like, actually- This is great. Right? That's right. He said, he told me that he would spot me,

he would give me 30 strokes, 30, and still beat me any course that I picked. So I'd have to shoot what? A hundred and, a hundred and two or a hundred and one. I said, I would, I would, I said, dude, I can shoot in the nineties every time. I probably could hit in the 80s But he thinks he thinks annoying about these athletes like him. He picks up one thing and he's like quickly good at it

No, I'm not. Okay, let's do we got off the rails here. We had this yeah thing, but this is okay Real quick. You said some couple minutes ago like the traditions of golf and again, I respect golf I enjoyed I was obviously a massive Tiger fan just growing up and all that. And you just won the TGL and it's so much fun. We were sending the videos around. It was fun. It was, I think like the ultimate fan experiences. I'm sure you could speak to better than us. And then, um, you know, we're just talking about all these things like the, the full swing and just where golf is going and I think it's really cool because it

Gives us a look into you guys like the personality a day in the life and you can see the shit talking you can see Kind of what you guys go through Where do you see golf going like in the next five years? Because I feel like Jerry and Jerry's type of like the trajectory that you guys are on is like this, you know where We've heard all this shit about the NBA All-star game this where I feel like golf is just on this trajectory Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting because like the game of golf has probably never been better and it's and it is it's on a massive trajectory and

But we just have so much like unknown going on on the professional side of our sport of like'm like what the PGA tour and live and like what, when's it still going to get done? What's, is it going to get done? What's it going to be? So it's like that part about it is obviously frustrating because it's, you know, we're not the NFL. It's not like we can just kind of like split up, take like 30% of our fans and. You know, put them over here and we're still okay.

You know, it's, we want to be gaining all of that and taking advantage of this momentum. You know, I don't know. It's, it's, it's wild. Like I played, um, I played a pro AM with, uh, with, with grand Horvath, uh, is a YouTuber, uh, but he's a great player, uh, out in Phoenix. And it was like, it was mind blowing the amount of people that were yelling at him. And I'm just like, dude, don't take this the wrong way, but I can't believe how many people know who you are.

I'm like, it's unbelievable. And that's it. It's just, it's weird because I'm it's weird for me. So I can't imagine, you know, like the, the generation that, you know, was out on tour before me thinking it's even weirder of like, this is just kind of where it's everything is going, you know, everything it's, it's, you know, streaming, having now football games that are on Amazon or Paramount plus, whatever it is, or it's like ESPN plus, and then it's, uh, you know, guys wearing microphones and

stuff. And it's, it is because it's funny. Full swing is, is interesting because it's, you know, it is great. And we've, I think gained a lot of fans because of it, but as somebody who's, who's on it, it's like for, I don't, I liked it. I want to keep my personal life and my wife and family out, out of it. Obviously it's their show. So they rightfully would love to

be filming us film this right now. You know, they would do anything that I would allow, but just for us personally, I'm like, Hey guys, like, I don't, I don't, my wife doesn't need to sit down doing interviews. She doesn't want to, like, we just, we want to keep this part of our life separate. So once you get to a certain point, you're like, I can only I got not that interesting. I play golf like 25 weeks of the year. And when I'm not, I'm still practicing golf. So but then, you know, as a sports fan, I'm watching these other documentaries on the, you know, the wide receivers or, you know, the NHL. And it's just like, it's so awesome.

And I'm like, God, it's so cool. And I'm sitting here. I'm like, I'm a hypocrite. Like, I'm the one that doesn't want to almost like give it. But then it's when I watch it and it's just weird to think that that's what people think about us. You know what I mean? Like it's, you know, the fact that I could have, you know, to two people like y'all that are like, yeah, we really love watching full swing and like get to know you guys.

It's like, I don't like that. It's hard to almost like resonate and understand that you guys could think or anybody could think the same about that show that like I thought about, you know, getting to learn about Debo Samuel on the wide receiver show. Like it doesn't, it just doesn't compare to me, but it's the reality. No, I got to say I, I was happy you did it, you know, cause you were a golfer I followed for a while. But for me, I could tell you, and I feel like there's a lot of golf fans and sports fans out there. I hear you on the family stuff.

I think if you, like, if your wife's not into it and doesn't want to talk, by no means. And by the way, I don't need to see that. What I mean is like, I'm tuning in because I love golf. I learned a little bit more about, I'm more into like your mentality when you play, seeing you with Spieth was super cool. I didn't know you guys knew each other for that long. So like you could still, I think, accomplish the goal with that part of your career. Cause that's so fascinating. And like I always said, even with like entourage

and stuff, like that stuff's meant to be judged. Like you want to say entourage suck. That's, you could say that you want to say it's great. But the personal stuff's not if you don't want it to be judged, it shouldn't have to be. And yeah, I'm glad you especially drew that line today's day and age to it just it's like how social media has gotten. I'm like, there's just the negatives are highly going to outweigh the positives that are going to come from getting, you know, having them in our house all the time and have it just like, you know, it's just it house all the time and have it, it's just like, you know, it's just, it wasn't, it's not worth it. But, um, in terms of, yeah, how golf's going to be, man, I don't know. I just hope that I think we have such a core group or I guess age group of fans.

Uh, but being able to, you know, kind of get the younger crowd in and just understanding that keeping the traditions of the game while also, you know, making some change if it needs to be done for the better, that gets more fans involved. And that's, you know, at the end of the day, all of these sports, they're the reason that they are going is because of the fans. And I know that it can't be done without the athletes in particular, but the reason that the athletes are there and playing and the stage that they are, are because of the fans that want to watch them type thing. So one thing I definitely thought of once I knew you were going to come on and I

got excited about, like I mentioned, I was, I was down in Florida on this golf trip. I kind of had a real chance on the last day to like, win some money and really end it and I didn't. So what I found though, was hours later, we're all showered up, it was a good time, shake, leave, I get on the flight home and I'm still thinking about it. And so I'm imagining I'm like, all right, I'm still thinking about this, this meaningless shit on the plane all this time later. Like for you, you know, even if you look at like the Valspar, right, which I watched and I was like, that was such a unbelievable tournament. You know,

how much time do you kind of give yourself to say like, man, I should have, whether you're saying I should have won that or like, is it because you have a tournament four days later, you're right back at it. Like, do you allow yourself some time to be pissed or whatever your emotions are and get right to it or, you know, I just was always curious about that. And so good question. I think it depends. It's very, um, it's very specific, I'd say to what it is, but also it probably depends on where you're at in your career. Like it took me a while to understand that, you know, that, that losing a

tournament, uh, could actually be, could get me, gave me more success down the road than actually winning that tournament. You know, I think you see it often of, of, you know, maybe not like an unbelievable player, like a, uh, you know, a Ludwig, a Jordan, whatever guys that it's like, they're going to be out here and win a lot of tournaments for a long time, but you kind of have a good player that gets out on tour and they win like in their first 15 starts or something. And how often you kind of don't hear a lot from that person anymore, because it's like, you just, unfortunately, going through those failures is how you learn,

it's how you can, you know, I'm sure Matt, like you went through how many times in games where it's like, God, I know, like when it sucks, but it's just once you can actually sit down and just think about it, you're like, okay, next time I'm in the situation, I, you know, I may be pressed and forced the situation a little bit there when if I just would have like let it happen, and maybe not taking this unnecessary risk, whatever it might be, then then it'll work out. So a tournament like Valspar, I, I was way, but honestly surprised myself. I was way better after the fact than I thought, because I, although I buggy to the last three holes, I, I didn't feel like any of them were from mental. I wasn't like, I was shying away.

I wasn't like, yeah, I was nervous. Of course I was, but it wasn't a, I didn't feel like I did anything stupid or forced issue wise. I mean, I, I stick with my strategy and game plan that I had the whole week. And it's like, look, I, I did what I did, but he, he birdied 16 and 17 and those. I mean, it's easy to look at what I did, but I'm like, I, uh, this, something like that is way easier for me to get over than like I lost a tournament to Colin Moorakawa during COVID. I bogeyed 16 and 18 and at Muirfield and he birdied 17. We went to a playoff and I lost in the playoff.

Like that still pisses me off. Like I did not handle that well. Like I was thinking about winning after I equaled 15. I'm like thinking I'm on 16. And it's like, you just, you get out of that focus. The next thing you know, the term it's over and I lost. And I'm like, what the fuck did I just do? I'm like, I just handed this over. And so something like that pisses me off way more than getting beat almost. And, or, or lack of execution is a lot different than, than like the mental clarity or making

a mistake because you put yourself in that mistake. It's a lot different than, you know, just hitting a bad shot, hitting bad shots happen, but hitting one because you're not committed or you're scared to screw up or you're not in the right mindset. Like those are two very different things. The very last interception I threw in my career was to Luke Keakley at Carolina. And it was just right in his fucking bread basket.

I was just, where's Justin that I live by? What the fuck was I just thinking? I think my coach looked at me off the field. He's like, seriously? I go, yeah, man, I don't know. I didn't have an answer for you. It was just like, I just was an idiot. You said you get nervous. So the the Masters is coming up and and we're like this has been awesome because we are

Not that we wouldn't root for you But we are rooting for you man and good shit happens to guys and people when they come on this pod I'm telling that's how that charm the Dodgers get roll. He's on a run. There's time the World Series Lakers I had a baby girl. Like He's on a run with this podcast. Dodgers, Pond, the World Series, Lakers. I had a baby girl. Like, there's just a lot of shit going on. He's on a run. We're rooting for you.

I love it. Like, the Masters to me, I feel like nervous talking to you about it because I can only imagine what it's like. I imagine the mental approach to that tournament has to be a little bit different than some of the other ones. Just take us through that week. Is that week similar? Is this week similar than others? Do you approach it?

Like we all, you know, as an athlete, we always say, hey, just approach, I played in the Super Bowl. We approached that game the same practice week that we did game three, right? You still want to have that approach, but I have to imagine the Masters feels a little different. Yeah, yeah, I think you said it perfect. It's my caddy and I were actually just recently talking

about that because it's so funny. Everybody, a lot of people do it for a lot of the majors, but especially the Masters, the first one of the year, it's like it's Augusta. It's a tournament everybody wants to land. It's the biggest life change or whatever you want to call it. But it just the amount of over preparation that's done for it. Like, and I've done it. I'd be the first to admit. And it's like, you know, hey, are you taking any trips this year? Are you going up there? It's like, got to play it.

Got to play. Yeah. It's like I've I've never I'm not this year because I have. I've pretty much done it every year. It is it is nice, like when you're in the beginning of the career to kind of almost get that all factor out or just kind of get to know the lay of the land a little bit. But now I've never left that tournament feeling like, wow, if I just knew this course a little better,

I think I would have played it. I'm like, no. They really surprised me on 14. Exactly. I'm like, no, I just needed to putt it better. I need to chip or hit this. Like at the end of the day. It's just golf. So, but man, it's so, so hard. Uh, and I mean, I'm still working on it. I'm like trying to treat it the same and just, you know, not over prepare because I, that's like my, what I struggle with the most is getting to tournaments like that. And I'm like the middle of the day on Tuesday. And I'm like, I'm ready to go like that. But you're jacked up and it's a day and a half. And I just, and then by that time you're flat, it just different. So it's, it's almost like kind of a tapering a little bit of just, you know, just do a little

bit here and then the facilities are so good. You feel like you have to be out there and next thing you know, you're like, I just had three straight 10 hour days and I'm exhausted before the week starts. Yeah. I finally found something I could relate to to you on is definitely not a golf swing, but similarly like with acting, if you have a, whether it's a big emotional scene or whatever, like the big scene of the thing. You do not on take one, while we're in a big wide shot, that's why I say save it for the close up, right? So that's gonna be my words to you for the masters. Save it for the close up. Don't like, guys go hard, take one, take two,

they're never gonna use that. Then by take four, when you're in your close up, you're exhausted, you're shot, the day should be over. Save it for the close up. I like that, That's a good one. She get that stamped on a wedge. Well, look, you know what? When you're putting on the green jacket, just say like, you know what? To, to Ferrari, I saved it for the close-up. I mean, wait, Justin, we were, we were talking about this because this is good vibes, dude. We're, we're fucking sending good vibes. Okay. Um, tiger vibes, okay? Tiger's shot, right?

The famous shot. What is it? 20 years. We like to do throwback stuff here. Yeah, we like to do throwback stuff. So 20 years. Jeez, that was 20 years ago. I know, 20 years ago, dude.

That's hard to hear. How old are you? 30? You're 32? I turned 32 in a month, yeah. So you were a young buck, okay? I like almost got in an argument with my wife like a couple of weeks ago. I was like, I turned 31 in a month. You. So, so you were a young buck. Okay. I like almost got an argument with my wife like a couple weeks ago. I was like, ah, I turned 31 in the month. I'm like, don't ever say that again. Damn. It's like, you're right. Wait till you get in your forties,

dude. That's when shit really hits the fan. Um, plenty of time. My thing, this is just you and this is, you know, listen, you don't have to do it if you don't want to, you know, you're not gonna be thinking about us, but just the, like, the fist pump and just the, just like, you showed it at TGL. You guys showed it at TGL and I was fired up. That's horse show again, everybody. But all you guys were fired up, which I love that part about golf.

I love that, man, when you sink a 20 foot pod or you're just going fucking nuts. Just, if you happen to think about us and you hit a 20 foot pod or you just going fucking nuts. Just if you happen to think about us and you hit a shot to win the Masters of fist bump. And I'm telling you, dude, I'm telling you. All right, hey, I would happily. I would sign up for that right now. It could be first round, whatever, dude, whatever.

You're gonna be locked in, but it's gonna happen. And I'm gonna be so fucking fired up. I just have to get that out of my chest. Have you ever tried that ship, that Tiger 20, or like go to the spot and be like, yeah? Cause like when you look at the clip too, like the funny thing is obviously all the the scenario it's like, it's a 90 second clip from like the time he chips it and then it's so high. It was rolling forever.

Have you ever had that shot or just messed around in the practice round? Like, let me see if this shot is that difficult. I've, I've definitely hit it in practice. It's, um, it's so hard to put in the words, how, how insane, like the, it's not, it was not a difficult chip to hit inside of 10 feet, like it really is right because of where he is in the slope. Like it's, it's to get it to do all of that and and like and just the spin it has to have and like getting the. And obviously, the moment is a whole nother thing,

but I've hit it over that green a couple of times with that pen, and that is not a good place to go. And it's going down the same slope, but not kind of like you said, Jerry. I get the that's the crazy part about golf. It's you know, how many people have gone to TPC sawgrass and hit the pot from the back of the green to the front of the green. Cause Tiger made it. And it's like, Oh, I hit the putt, the tiger hit. It's just a wild wild guy. No, I did that shot in the dark at firestone. Cause I'm over in Ohio and they have like

a plaque Tiger hit. And I had seen John Daly like next day, cause that the champions tour or whatever. And I asked Daly cause I'm like, you were there. Was it really that dark? Cause the shot it's 160 yards. You're in the rough. I guess the rough is thick, but it's pretty open. He's like, it was pitch black. So I'm like, okay. I was like, yeah, look at me trying to debunk

Tiger's shot in the dark. I hope he's definitely not listening. All right. I got, we got a few more things and then we'll let you go. Cause you've been very generous with your time, but Ryder Cup, I want to pitch you a rule change. Okay. He's going to, Matt's going to hate this.

Jerry's all about, he's changing every rule of every sport. I like to tweak rules. Okay. I like to try to elevate things. So I pitched this to Joel Damon. He liked it, but you know, we're talking to someone now who has Ryder Cup street cred. So I always get frustrated. Match play for me is where it's at

because you don't want to play stroke play with me. The numbers look like a phone number. What if we're in the Ryder Cup, okay? And it's you and whether it's Jordan, whoever your partner is and you win the second hole and now you're coming up to a really, really hard par three, the winds up and the new rule change comes in where you can defer the T box to your opponent. You could say, you know what Ludwig or whoever

you got, you know what you guys say and you get to sit back on a par three. Cause like, I feel like I get it. You want to go first cause you want to put the pressure on you in a hole. It's not always the biggest advantage than stepping up into a par three with your opponent gets more information. So that's my rule change. You could defer the T box in match play at the right, if you want, you could still keep the T box. You could defer love it or hate it. It's a marinating. I don't, I don't hate it. I think. Yeah, there's a, it definitely would be. Yeah. There's definitely some, some strategy to it. Try it at the TGL first, maybe just to workshop it.

We'll try whatever there, man. It's we got hammers, you're throwing stuff. I did people, everybody, all the other players laugh at me when it's kind of same thing talking about rule change. I'm like, what if we every week we had like a mulligan, a mulligan token. You just had one. You had one mulligan for a whole week and people were like, I'm like, what? I'm like, I think of how you got to go there when to use it. And I mean, how intense is it if it's yeah, you some guy maybe misses like a 15 footer, he gets pissed off the

broken but I should have made it. Yeah. Like, but it's like you could have some guy that's he saves it late in the tournament. Like it'd be pretty interesting. So I don't know. Your official ruling is though, don't hate it yet. Don't marinating Jerry. He his expression said it all he shit on the rule change. It's okay. I don't know man. I'll tell him What was it? What was it? What was it like shotgunning beers at Ryder Cup? Oh man, it was Yeah, that's so bad. It is it is a sports fan. You have to go. You truly have to go It is it's the the coolest. I

mean, it's the, the coolest. I mean, it's, it's the, it's the closest thing that we feel to like anything that y'all went through, Matt, you know, it's just the, the amount of, the amount of people, the nerves, like the first tee shot of my first rider cup in France was the most nervous I've ever been in my life. Like I, I always say if, uh, cause I hit five, what off the tee, which when I hit it off the tee, which when I hit it off a tee, I don't actually use a tee. I'll kind of like put a little dent in the ground and just put it on top of that.

And if, if I had to use a tee, I don't think I could have got the bomb tee. Like I don't hands just, yeah. And I mean, we're like walking to the tee and Jordan and I didn't know who were going to go first and I was like, Hey, I need to go. He was like, whatever he'd been through that and he knew it. And that's why he was a great part. He many reasons, but why he was great for me in that time is he's like, you know, I, he knew how nervous I was and he's like, you got it. And go ahead. It's like, please, I need to hit and get off this team right now.

Are you, are you more, are you more nervous for that than like the masters? The first tee off of the masters? Yeah, it's not even close. The Ryder Cup is is another level of. Yeah, it seems like it, man. Oh, it looks so electric. The I'm getting literally goosebumps. Just I am too. I am too.

Dude, you're a Ryder Cup legend, though. It's fun. It's just it's it's cool. It's like you were talking about the emotion and getting excited. Like we don't get to do that at tournaments without kind of looking like an asshole. And like there you can you don't even realize it. Like it, it just, it comes out because it means so much and like you're playing for so much more. And of course, you know, these guys that you don't really want to play well all

year, you actually get to root for like, I want Scotty to write it close and like Patrick Haley to make every putt and Xander to make it. So it's, you know, it's nice to be on, on these guys' team for a week. Cause you know, they're tough to beat once we're playing every week. It's what got me into golf and New York, you know, I'm a New Yorker. So I know a lot of my, I have family members already trying to plot their trips to Beth Bage. It's going to be out of control. It's going to be nuts Oh, he's got me. I'm fired up now, man. The last thing we were talking about too, I don't know. Is this what your boy sent over, Matt?

That like the mic. Yeah, you play with Jordan a lot, right? You get some MJ rounds in, true story. Yeah, yeah. He's gotta talk some shit, right? You would think. What's the most amount of money you've taken from Jordan on the course?

I get, you know he's gambling every time. Yeah, I mean, people unfortunately get upset when I tell them that I don't think he plays for as much money as everybody thinks. He just has to play for something. Like it's not just- Anything. Right, could be a dollar. It's just the fact of, hey, we're not out here

just to like play golf. We're out here to compete and win. I've taken a couple thousand off of him a couple of times, but he's taken plenty off of me as well. It's, he's hard to beat out at Grove. It's definitely at his course down. I mean, shit, if I build a course too, I would probably build it.

Like you did to Grand Horvat at Panther. I saw, I watched that last chip on 18. That was a brilliant moment. You just knocked it in. He didn't even see it and you were talking. Yeah. That was awesome. But uh, yeah. Isn't it like he built it. Cause what does he hit a fade or a draw or whatever he hits it like most hole or at least that he has like urban legends about him in golf. And he's a bat. And he's like the goat basketball player. And there's all these stories. You don't know if they're true or false with golf with him. Yeah. I mean, he, his short game was unbelievable. Like his bunker game and chipping and putting it's, it, it's truly insane. It kind of goes back. I like what I was saying about Steph, like the, I just think a lot of athletes in general, but definitely, especially as basketball players,

like just their touch and like their, their hands and how good they are to be able to kind of maneuver and figure stuff out. But the holes narrow up the further you hit it. So it's, you know, you kind of, you always have room to bail out, which is fun. I mean, I think it's good for any amateur golfer, but, um, you know, it tends to pinch in a little bit more where we hit it. Do you feel like you got to wear Jordans when you're playing with Jordan? Cause I know there's so many like walked in on the Charlotte Hornets and told everyone at practice, take my Jordan. So you guys aren't winning enough. Take my shoes off.

I would feel a lot of pressure. Like I have to pull out my best pair of Jordans I ever owned in front of MJ. It's, it's funny you say that. I, I mean, I don't, because I'm not with Jordan, especially in golf shoe buys, like I don't wear, don't wear them out there or don't ever wear them, but I love sneakers. Like I have a lot of Jordans here, or just that I'll wear out.

And just the way that the locker room, everything kind of works, my locker's right next to his. And it's the only course I go to that I am like looking in my closet of like, what shoes am I going to wear to the golf course today? Right. It's like, yeah, of course. No, I always wear these, you know, this Carolina blue off whites to the golf course. Because I know that if I go in the locker room, they're going to sit outside my locker. And if MJ is there, he's going to see him. And, you know, I want him to be like, all right, JT is I've is I got some respect for that. I can't be wearing like some flip flops or something.

It's anywhere else. I wouldn't care, but I definitely think about it when I got there. So we like to before we close, we like to usually when athletes come on, we like to build like the perfect athlete for their sport. So we did that with we did that with a couple people. We want to build the perfect golfer with you before we let you go. So take yourself out of it. We know you're the perfect golf. We broke it down four categories, drive, chip, putt and clutch. And you can go present or you can go back

in the day. Okay. I mean, driving, I'm going Rory for sure. I mean, clutch I'm going, yeah. Prime tiger. That's, that's no doubt. Putting is tough cause I want to do that too, but statistically, Denny McCarthy is, he is a unreal Potter every year after year after year. So I undeniable, I gotta be honest. I don't know who that is, but see, man, we'll get you there, buddy. We'll get you there. I know exactly what you're going. Chip. P Reid's got one of the sickest short games I've ever seen. He gets, he's got, I've watched him get up and down from so many, so many different places, but man, it's, it's hard to go against Jordan. I've, I've played more, just more rounds with them. So I've probably seen it more than I have P Reed or like Phil, but it's hard.

I can never bet against Jordan short game. So I'll go with this. That bunker game too is nasty. The bunker game is nasty. Well, listen, thank you for your time. Look, just save it for the closeup. That's all I'm gonna say here. We appreciate you man.

Best of the kick ass at the masters, dude. We're rooting for you. Thank you. No, I appreciate it We're rooting for you. Thank you. I know I appreciate it. And Jerry, you'll appreciate it. Jordan and I, we've, we rented a lot of houses over the years together and like, notice before the families came out,

we literally would just put on entourage beginning. It didn't even matter. We're like, what season do we want to start this week? We're where we want to end it just would. Iconic. Oh God, it was the best. We just have, especially the COVID weeks where it's like you couldn't go do anything.

We just would get back and just, just hammer through it over and over again. I feel like you brought up too, when you were doing, shot that thing for Grant Horvats channel, you were talking about that famous round of you and Ricky and Jordan, like the, you guys casually, I remember watching that in the moment,

like this is, this is the new version of Entourage. Like these guys are doing it. Like I want to be where they're at. I'll be playing golf with them. So I really had that thought as well. And that makes me very, very happy to hear because we believe it or not, like even though none of us are very good golfers, we were always we had like the golf simulator on the show 20 year, 18 years ago. You know, we had Mickelson on, we were hitting golf balls off the route. Like we love golf. So it was, oh, it's, it's very cool now to get the chance to talk to you and just see where golf's gone from then till now.

Yeah. So I appreciate that, man. That's really cool to hear. Appreciate y'all. Yeah. Being a golf fan, that's what it's crazy, man. You will play these programs or go places. And it's just like, I don't understand.

Like how are you a fan of me or a fan of golf? Like it just doesn't, I think what, I don't know if it's just from whatever you do it's, but you know, it's like, obviously that goes around. People are like, Oh, big fan. I love watching you play. It's like, no shit. Like, yeah, we all did, but it's like golf.

Like really? You like what we do? You guys are crushing man. Yeah, we all did but it's like like really you like you guys are you guys are crushing man like yeah, and just like I said the changes and just the the access that I think a lot of just Everyday people and fans get it makes it I think it makes it more exciting. So Far it up. Do thanks for thanks for jumping on man. Yeah. Yeah, I have fun. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. All right now it's time for all time adventures driven by Nissan take adventure to new heights in the all new 2025 Nissan Armada go to Nissan USA.com backslash Armada to learn more. Matt, we're going to talk some adventures. Since we had Justin Thomas just on,

I have a little fun golf adventure for you, right? I'm gonna take you back maybe like 15 years or so, I'm pretty new to golf. Me and Kevin Dillon ventured down the San Diego to meet Scotty Cameron, the Scotty Cameron. He fit us for some putters, and then we went out to play some golf, and it was unbelievable. But the us for some putters and then we went out to play some golf and it was unbelievable. But the whole time Dylan and I know like

oh we're gonna be driving back from San Diego at like five o'clock we're dead it's gonna be so much traffic. All good. As we're leaving we finished around we're leaving in walks into the clubhouse Phil Mickelson. Now the room stops me and Dylan like oh wow it's Phil Mickelson, crazy. And what does Kevin Dillon do? He's like, I gotta go talk to him, bro. Now, he just heads off and it hits me out of nowhere, the very previous episode of Entourage,

we take a shot at Phil Mickelson. The actual line in the episode is the RE character says something like, honey, I gotta go. Nikki's melting down worse than Phil Mickelson at winged foot, right? Dylan's walking over there. It's like slow motion. I'm like, no, I try to stop. And then, you know, I'm 20 feet away. They're up there talking. It looks friendly. I finally come in there and like shake, shake his hand. And then Phil walks away and I asked him, like, what did he, what did he say? He's like, Oh, he's the nicest guy. I told him he's got to be on, uh, on the show. And he said, you know, I would love to. It's my favorite

show, although I'm not caught up yet on this season. So he has not yet seen the actual thing. So the whole drive back, obviously we called Doug Allen. We're like, Doug, Phil Mickelson wants to do the show. I'm like, can we figure out a way to shoot with Phil Mickelson before he hears this joke? And so the end result was he did hear the joke. He still did the show. And we did ask him when he was on set and like, you know, did you hate that? He's like, well, you know, it wasn't great, like sitting in bed with my wife, watching my favorite show and you guys just take a shot at me. That wasn't awesome well, you know, it wasn't great. Like sitting in bed with my wife, watching my favorite show and you guys just take a shot at me. That wasn't awesome. But you know, it was funny. Yeah, he didn't really care. He ends up doing the show. But that whole drive back from San Diego to LA, me and Dylan were like, can we make this

happen before he hates us? And here's this joke. So that was a fun little adventure that involved a little bit of golf for you. I love that, dude. I don't have any great golf. I have a couple great golf adventures, but you got some others though. I got the greatest drive. So when I think honestly, when I think of Nissan Armada, I think of my mom. When I think of my mom, I think of USC. And when I think of USC, I think about the greatest drive potentially in USC history. USC at Notre Dame. So much better than my story. And when I was thinking about it, I actually, I have to give this speech next week

for a USC deal and this is included in it because a lot of Trojans love just the stories, right? And adventures and so I was gonna talk a little bit about the fourth and nine drive in Notre Dame and you know, Brady Quinn a little bit now so fourth and nine drive in Notre Dame and you know Brady Quinn a little bit now so you can kind of get a feel but we're first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line First play is an incomplete pass second down second play second down. I get sacked for a nine yard loss

So wait now first down is incomplete. Yes second and 19 our third and 19. We go to the sideline, we get about half back, a little check down to Reggie Bush. It's now fourth and nine. We call a timeout. I'm on the sideline with Steve Sarkeesian, head coach of Texas. Obviously, Lane Kiffin's in his year, head coach of Ole Miss, and Pete Carroll's right there.

Pretty incredible staff. And I'm sitting there, and actually, another one, another buddy of ours, that who's gonna be on on our show quickly is, was on the sidelines of that game as well. But I won't mention his name. At that moment, and I'll tell this at that moment, it was the loudest I've ever heard Notre Dame Stadium in my life. Notoriously not a loud stadium, cool history tradition, but not like a, you know, like not a, not a great home field advantage. I walk back in the huddle and it is just like,

boom, you can't hear anything. I'm yelling at them. I'm looking at everybody at the eye and I call the play and I say, be alert for this audible if they blitz, et cetera, et cetera. And sure enough, it is loud. I'm under center Ryan Khalil Hall of Fame center. I'm in there.

I kind of tap them. I start to audible and the guys pick up the signs. Dwayne Jarrett runs a slant and go and the ball, lucky, I'm honestly lucky, the ball just lands right in his breadbasket. Inch either way, it's an incomplete pass, we lose. He gets it, he starts running like a baby deer. Dwayne wasn't fast, he had long half strides. He got hawked at like the 12, 15 yard line.

Go a couple plays and then we score on the infamous Bush-Bush game. Yeah, it was your fault. And the funny story about the Bush-Bush is I'm sitting there and we're on the one, probably the half yard line and there's eight seconds left. And if I don't get in, we lose. I remember and that they were,

we were waiting for the whistle, Tom Zibikowski, who was the safety for them, became a professional boxer, like an amateur boxer, like a pretty good athlete. He was right in front of me, like knew I was about to go up the middle. He just knew it. And I looked at him in the eye, I tried not to look at him in the eye.

He's like one of those things I'm like, don't look at him in the eye, don't look at him in the eye. I'm coming right in the middle. It's like taking a penalty kick in soccer. You don't want to look at the goalie, right? And sure enough, I snap it. He like jumps over like LeVar Arienton style, kind of hits me right there.

I do my little pirouette and sure enough, my boy Reggie Bush pushes me in the end zone for victory. And then a birth in the national championship game in which we lost. But that was incredible drive, adventurous, all these types of things, man, brings back great memories just talking about it. It's one of those things if you're a college football fan or you just watched, it's like one of those where everybody's like, I remember where

I was when the Bush push happened. Yes. I believe because we weren't shooting at that point because what is, was that like December? It was October of 2005. So we may have still been shooting. Usually we start finishing right around then, but I was definitely in LA. Definitely, well, I believe I watched that game. I might've watched it with Max Greenfield, by the way. 05, I might've watched it with friend of the show,

Max Greenfield. That was in the basement. No, it was entourage days. It was entourage days. It was entourage days. But yeah, I think we watched it there. My God. So, OFAS, you're 19? 20?

I was a senior, so I was 21. I was fifth year. Not a lot of 21 year olds doing that. Well, shout outs to Nissan. Those are two adventurous stories. We'll have more each and every episode. Let's do a mailbag. And I had a little sneak preview of this one

So I kind of know what was coming. So Dan in Los Angeles, right? So what's up guys? You know sad to see that Val Kilmer passed away this week. What a legend Just curious what your favorite roles were of his and if you guys ever crossed paths. Yes, obviously saw the news You know heart goes out to his family. It's so sad. He was sick for a while, legend. But I had the chance to work with him back in 04 on Entourage and he has one of the, you can't even call it, so cameos are when people

come play themselves. It was like a cameo, but he was the only one playing a character. And I even was texting with Doug. I don't even think Doug Allen believed that he was actually gonna show up. We were just told he's gonna show up, he's gonna play one playing a character. And I even was texting with Doug. I don't even think Doug Allen believed that he was actually gonna show up. We were just told he's gonna show up, he's gonna play the Sherpa character,

he's gonna come in character, be ready. It's like maybe he got, this is season one, episode four. It was very, very hard to get anyone to be on Antara. That's why I give shout outs to Ali Larder back in the day. Jessica Alba came on early, so Val comes on. And it was the first time, I was 23 years old, you know, you always heard about method acting and method actors, and I've taken classes, but the first time I ever saw someone show up in character,

and for not one second, did Val Kilmer break character as the Sherpa. And then, you know, he probably got the script the night before what was that like he was just at one point he just looks at me he's like turtle you're a dove you're a turtle dove and then like pulls out a gun on all this stuff is just happening is like one of the cool parts back then where you know you just knew like all you got to do is just listen know your character just go where he takes you because he's gonna take you on the ride. When he's done shooting that scene, does he break? And you're like, you never saw him break.

I texted some of the guys, no one is on record saying, at some point you took off the beard and hat, and was like, hey guys, it's Val, nice to meet you. That was a lot of fun. That never happened. He was weird, because Kevin Dillon was in Doors with Val Kimmel, which is arguably maybe his best. We'll talk some of his favorite movies now, but you know, played Jim Morrison in The Doors. Kevin Dillon was like the second, he played John Densmore as a second or third lead

in that movie and he didn't even break to say like hello to Dillon, I don't think. I mean, he's, he's if you, you know, obviously you've kind of seen the whole list of movies this week after his passing and you just realized like, one of like legendary, like he was a legendary actor that crossed, right, decades and decades and generations. My two favorite movies of his. Yes, give me your two, the one that standouts for you personally though, not what everyone else has.

Just for me personally, like he's probably had better performances than some other ones, but Top Gun is like my top three movie, That's my top three favorite movie of all time. It just is. And even the remake, the sequel, which just came out less than a couple of years ago where Val actually played a very sick. Yeah. There's like people tearing in the theater. Yeah. I saw that in the theater. That got a lot of people. That's just one of my favorite movies. So I just always remember Iceman and all that. And then, um, Tombstone is probably a top five favorite movie of mine as well. And one of the best movies and just

like, I'm your Huckleberry. Like it's like, and while he's literally white and pale and sick in that movie, he's just legendary. Obviously his Batman role was very good. Like, like heat was good, but like those are my two favorites. So, uh, we So we lost a good one, man, that's for sure. Heat stands out. Well, also Heat is just such an iconic movie. Yeah. And to be that good in an iconic movie, like the scene stealer in a movie like that

is as high level as it gets. Yeah, Top Gun, Batman, you know, Jim Morrison at the doors. They even play like John Holmes in Wonderland, another stud one. Here's a sneaky one people forget about. I'm a big True Romance guy. Another Tarantino script. True Romance is an awesome movie. He was Elvis in True Romance, like the alter ego for Christian Slater's character.

He was Elvis. Like you never really actually even saw him. So, you know, obviously, you know, you send love to his family, it sucks. He was pretty sick for a while, but I just don't think they're gonna make him like that anymore in terms of just the acting part. You know, I never got to know him personally, but.

I just, something about that. Yeah, that kind of actor, which you know better than me, but just like, just the roles he played. He was just, he was like, like when you heard Val Kimmer, like damn, like he's just, he was a legend. Like, and you saw it in his roles and how he acted. And, and you never really heard a lot about him off screen. You know what I mean?

Like he just was kind of like, you showed up and you saw him and you're like, damn, like he's, he's as talented as they come. And you never really, like he was out of the new, you know what I mean? Like you just never heard outside of the world other than acting, which I think made this more, kind of a more aura the new, you know what I mean? Like you just never heard outside of the world other than acting, which I think made this more, kind of a more aura about him, you know, so.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I don't want to go out on a low note, but you know, and then also if you just want to see some live, go back, anyone out there or even go on YouTube, just pull up the Val Kilmer highlights of his time on Entourage, some of the craziest lines. I'm going to pull that up.

We got to clip that on the page. Yeah, he had some. So Matt, I am coming to LA. We are gonna be in person next week. We have a big lineup of guests. We're gonna do some fun stuff. So next time I see you, well, I'll text you 10 million times before then,

but maybe you'll FaceTime me 14 times. But next time I actually see you, we will be in person in LA. Yes, dude. Let's go. Can't wait. We got a full week, buddy. Get ready.

Got to get to work. All right. Take care, everyone. Thank you.