Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Von Miller Talks Super Bowl Runs, Bills Drama, TebowMania, NFL Playoffs, Free Agency and more!

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Super Bowl champ and future Hall of Famer Von Miller joins the show to talk about the NFL playoffs and his own 2025 season with the Washington Commanders. Von also dives into his Super Bowl runs and his incredible summer of 2016 where he did everything from Dancing with the Stars to the Tonight Show. Von also gives his thoughts on the Buffalo Bills drama with the firing of head coach Sean McDermott, his rookie year with Tim Tebow’s magical run and his own chicken business, Greeer Pastures Chicken and so much more.  Plus, Jerry gives his thoughts on the current state of the New York Knicks, Matt waxes poetic about the Indiana Hoosiers and their National Championship, and Annie Agar joins the show for some NFL talk and another round of Twisted Tea Trivia.   New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)      A big thank you to our sponsors:    Wendy’s  Join Team Tendy’s and enjoy a line-up like never before. Crispy. Juicy. Tendys Now at Wendy’s. https://www.tendys.com  Twisted Tea Grab a Refreshing Twisted Tea Today.  https://www.twistedtea.com/locations  Ka’Chava Go to https://kachava.com and use code THROWBACKS. New customers get twenty dollars off an order of two bags or more, January 1st through 31st!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm sure in their moms, they're trimming the tree for more growth down the rope. Coach McDermott did an unbelievable job. He took the bills from the seller of the NFL. When I first came in the league, we're talking about the Buffalo bills. Yeah. And now they like a powerhouse in the AFC. They expected to go to the Super Bowl every year. That was all Coach McDermen, Josh Allen, Brandon Bean.

They did that. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Please don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube Throwback Show. And on all your social platforms, where Matt likes to stir the pot nowadays and give out controversial takes, particularly on Twitter. Yeah, they're coming for my head.

Yeah, no controversial takes on the national championship game, but you were out in Arizona, right? For it? Yeah, so I was out there for Draft Kings doing a little something. After, I'm not even to get into this. My tweets this weekend were all about sending my boy off to college. And so if I talk about it, I'll start crying because I've shed a lot of tears this past weekend.

but um so proud of them great chapter coming up um and uh you know obviously it was just so i was so happy and excited to see him out there was amazing um but did he shed any did he get the same emotion that that he was he was a little bit i think but um he's ready to go and again i could talk about it for hours and just as a parent like the feeling and all that but um it was a special weekend but yeah i went to scottesdale for the draft king sports book it was awesome and just watched the game and look i Just to cap this season, it was a great season in college football. I'm so lucky and just like blessed Mandigil to do my job and cover these games and travel around the country. And I think there's a lot of things happening and shifting in college football for better or for worse.

But the one thing that has stayed the same is I still think the play and the product on the field is as good as it's been. And it continues to be better. And we saw some great teams and the parity. and that's what NIL is given the parody. And the story of the year, the Indiana Hoosiers, are your national champions of college football. That's the Indiana Hoosiers where two years ago, they were the losing this program

in the history of the sport of college football. Kurt Signetti comes in, changes the culture immediately, uses the portal, uses all of these things to his thing, get some NIOM. He, like, sprinkles his little magic dust on this team. And now they are your national champ. It is the greatest turnaround, I think, in the history of sports, given where they were.

And just a shout out to Indiana football for that. I thought Miami had a great run. The U is back. I know they didn't win, but they're back and relevant, which is awesome, I think, for college football. The game is as good as it's been. It was a fun year. It's over. And, again, just congrats to the Hoosiers, man.

Like, you're a sports, not you're a sports fan. Like, it's just like, I just don't know if we've ever seen. that before. No, in all my years of watching, no, like there's been some really great Cinderella stories.

I think it's like on par with like miracle and oh the me, you know, like just like. The greatest upset in the history. That's the greatest upset in the history. Right.

But that's also, that's one game. One game. They did this a whole season and everyone tried to poke holes. We've seen a lot of people on social media now have to own up to their horrible takes going in

about Signetti and all this stuff. And, but yeah, like, no one could have predicted this. I don't think you would have been comfortable, like, getting up there on big noon, week one being like, yeah, I really, I mean, you probably knew they'd be good, but you'd be like, they're going to go out of an undefeated national championship. We covered them. We covered them. We had them this year early. We had them in the Big Ten championship game.

They beat Ohio State. And, like, they went to the playoff last year. It's just, it's a credit to Signetti, that staff, what they've been able to do. Obviously, for Fernando Hendoza coming out winning a Heisman trophy, he's probably going to be the number one pick in the draft. Like it was just awesome. They did it all. They did it all. They dominated.

They were the most complete team weekend and week out. And look, they, you know, people poked holes, like you said in their schedule during the season. But like at the end of the day, like they still ran through the playoffs, you know. And they are the undisputed national champ. I love that. I love where our sport is as far as that on the playing field. We're just seeing, saw Texas Tech make the playoff. We saw Ole Miss Maker run really like when their head coach.

Like, it's just a lot of good stuff happening, man. I'm already pumped for next year. Sad it's over. But, again, congratulations, Indiana Hoosiers as your national champion. Yeah, it's almost like a lot of things have been a little bit of a shit show of college football. It seems as though this was an intended thing that has worked out well. Like, we have some real competition and a lot of teams that you would never suspect could come in. Almost to the point where you no longer could hear the word Hoosiers and think of the movie or Bobby Knight.

Like, you hear Hoosiers now and you got the thing. football. I mean, they're not like, and again, Indiana Hoosiers basketball, Bobby Nile, like, great. But like, when is the last time Indiana basketball has been relevant? True. They've had it. It's been a long time. But it's just, it's just been football has been so bad there that it's just always been basketball. It is now a football school. Indiana is a football school and you can't argue against that. You mentioned show. You know, it's kind of a show now a little bit? We can, we can shift gears here to another sport. Oh, no. I mean, what, what's happening over there, dude? What's happening with your Knicks?

Are you nervous? Like, what's going on? You know, I was going to preview our guest to do this, but I'll preview them after this. Because if you want it, I'm going to give it to you. And a lot of people on social media have asked me to give them my Knicks rant. And you know what? I'm going to save it for the show that I'm on.

And here it goes. First off, I'm going to start this like Tupac where it's like, the cup and the shit you claim. I don't want to hear nothing about no NBA Cup. I want it gone. Take that money. Can you stop blaming this cup, bro? No, no, no.

We have enough data to prove now. Three years in a row, your Lakers won the first one ever and then went into the tank after that. The Bucks won and beat O KC, went into the tank after that. The Knicks were like sitting at, like, they're like 15 games over 500. They won eight of ten. They beat the spurs in the cup and now have completely fallen apart. I don't know. I don't think you could point to one thing, Knicks fans.

Like some people are blaming Kat. It's not Kat's fault solely. Some people are blaming Mike Brown. It's not Mike Brown's fault. It's all of you. It's all of it. It's the whole entire team. Josh Hart was on Jimmy Fallon last night.

Is that the best move when you won two of your last 11 games to go on Jimmy Fallon and start talking? One thing I did not love is Draymond Green did his typical game against the Knicks and kind of tried Punk and Cat. And then Matt, and you like, you played sports at every single level. you kind of punk a guy who's having a hard time, the bully did it, and then your coach goes up to him and hugs it out. Yeah, no one comes to your defense. No one comes to your defense. I know we coached Draymond.

I get it, but go say hello to him after. Send them a text. I didn't want to hug you after that with cat. So I still think that the Knicks are a good team, but this is 100% look in the mirror time. 100% look in the mirror time. A couple years ago, and again, I learned this from you because when we started the show, I started just following the Knicks.

And they continue, and they're a really good team, right? And their battle tested. But like a couple years ago, what made them great, I thought was like they were a team, right? It was, no, they've traded guys and got rid of guys. But like they were the chemistry, they were team. They were tough. They played well together in the playoffs. They, like they had that.

Is that it sounds like that's a little bit like, you know, people are kind of going in all these different directions. And maybe that is being, maybe, like, to your point, no one's really sticking up for your dude. You got guys going on TV shows. Again, you live in New York. But like, like, sometimes that can happen. And maybe there's a little, maybe there's something going on in the locker room, you know.

It's essentially the same team. I know there's some role players that are different. Like, all right. But Dante's out. No, no, no. But last year, the team that came back to games one and two, down 20 in Boston. It's the same team. Campaign didn't even play in those.

He got benched for Dillon Wright, I believe. It's the same team. So I have a hard time being like, oh, you don't have the different coach, but like. That means, I do, I do agree with you. It means it means something. I'm not saying it's his fault, but I'm just saying like. But it just seems like a bunch of people who don't really want to be around each other right now. And also, maybe the NBA has figured out the Knicks a little bit.

They are, they're not an old team, but they're not, they don't play with. the typical pace that all these other T. So even when you get like the Mavericks who are a young team, we're losing a lot of games, where they come into the garden and it's a marathon, it's a sprint, it's not a marathon. They're running all over the place. And I'm looking at like OG Ananobe and McKell Bridges

and they're like, and Kat just like laboring around. It's just like these young teams, they're just coming in and out hustling. And from moment one, the game seems over by the second quarter. So we're saying this all before they play the Nets. So maybe they'll correct the ship tonight. I'm saying this before. If they lose to the Nets,

which this will have already happened by the time you guys are watching me here. I don't, then all bets are off if you lose to the Nets. All bets are off. All bets are off. So I'll be watching that game. Which I did not want to do before we previewed our amazing guests.

You know, we had Kyle Van Noy. So all of that rant you said, all that rat you said, you really didn't say anything. You just don't know what's going on. I said, I said it seems like they don't like each other

and don't want to play hard for each other. And it seems like the NBA figured them out a little bit. And they're just run, run, run, push the pace. Yeah, I wanted to hear you keep going. There we go. All right, we got it. Fix the Knicks, bro. There's big problems in New York.

And the irony is, is my six-year-old only knows the Knicks is good. So he is so confused by the fact. You're still good, dude. You're still good. Matt, he is so confused by losing 8 of 11 or whatever it is. He's baffled. And I'm like, dude, this has been my whole life, Jacob. Come sit next to dad.

Let me tell you a story about 2010. We got a great guest, though, bro. We got a great guest. Last week, we had Kyle Van Nuoy. This week, we have another amazing defensive player. An elite pass rusher. And I'm even going to spoil... I'm going to spoil something next week.

We have another elite pass rush. It's almost like pass rush week. We have Von Miller joining the show today. Super Bowl MVP, 16 years in the NFL. It's crazy, man. Like, time flies. one of the best ever do it. First Ball Hall of Fame,

two-time Super Bowl, man. And, oh, let's just say nine sacks in limited snaps, like did not play every snap. Yeah, coming off a great year last year. Nine sacks. So,

Von Miller, and what I love about Von Miller, you know, he has this podcast called Free Range. It's on YouTube as well. You should go check it out for sure. Because he is a current active player who is talking about

current active football and not just the Super Bowl. in the past. He's talking about what's going on on this pod and we talk about it in ours. He talks about McDermott getting fired. He talks about Josh Allen crying at the pole. He talks about all of it. So, we got Vaughn Miller and then shortly after that,

we got Annie Agar and some twisted trivia with Twisted T coming up. So let's get to, we'll call it pass rush week. Pass rush week on throwbacks with Von Miller. All right, I'll guess today is a two-time Super Bowl champion.

Super Bowl MVP. Every trivia a question, the last defensive Super Bowl MVP, that's right. Defensive rookie of the year, Buckus Award winner in college, and the NFL three-time first team all pro. I mean, he has the most sacks in the Super Bowl history and just one of two players that have multiple sacks in multiple Super Bowls, host of the free range podcast, and most importantly, the third famous chicken man in the world behind Colonel Sanders and Gus Fring as the co-founder of Greener Pastures Chicken Vaughn Miller.

Thank you for doing this, man. Hell yeah. How about you, guys. Thanks for having me, man. this is cool. How you doing, buddy? We're doing pretty good, man. Just kids and off-season and that's it. What is- Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead, Joe. No, I was going to say, like, I feel like that is a very popular trivia question all the time, who's the last defensive player to win MVP? If you're not

playing in the Super Bowl and you're just watching, if it's off-season for you, are you just looking like, is any other defensive player going to step up and take this MVP throne that I have for years now? You know, I don't have any control over that stuff, man. I just, you know, I watch, it's cool. Whenever I got the MVP, like, I had no idea it would be me. Like, we played in that game, and I wasn't thinking about the MVP. I just wanted to win the game. And I think whenever you're playing, like, for somebody else, like, whenever you take that

selfish element out of it, you can play to a level that, you can play to a level that you don't normally play at. And that was me on Super Bowl 50, playing for DeMarcus. playing for Coach Kubiak, Coach Phillips, Payton, you know, all those other guys, man. I wanted it bad for those guys, man, and then boom, I got the MVP.

So it's just one of those things that just happens, man. It was never in a million years when you grew up, you know, you might say, yeah, I want to play in a Super Bowl one day, but never in a million years that you say, like, hey, I want to be the MVP of the Super Bowl. It just kind of happened, man. And, you know, I just kind of ride with it, man.

You know, nothing in life happens by coincidence. That's how it was supposed to be. well i was going to say this for later but you it sounded like i started looking all these articles i'm like you had probably the greatest offseason run of all time after you won the MVP what like i mean i'm like drake and kai you have all these stories i'm like god damn did this dude just lived it up um what was the best part about that runner like the best story you have from that off season uh man um i think i think i think uh It all just like happened so fast.

Like, you know, right? When, you know, the game was over with watching the game clock zero zero. And like as soon as I stepped on the field, confetti started to drop, like, somebody had grabbed me and that's where like started. Like, you know, they, they separated guys from like the guys on the podium to like the guys down low. And then right after that, I had, they had took me over here to do interviews. And then I was the last, I was a very last one to leave the stadium. Got back. I get to, um, the, um, the, uh,

I get back to the celebration, the Super Bowl celebration at the hotel. I was one of the last ones there. Leave there, celebrate with the teammates. Not even that long. I was only there for like 30 minutes. And then because we were down in Santa Clara, had to drive up to San Francisco to do like after parties and stuff. And then I had to leave that early because we were in the West Coast.

The NFL office was on the East Coast. So we had to start time at like 4.30 in the morning. So I had to drive another hour back down to Santa Clara started doing all that stuff. then hop on a jet go do Ellen DeGeneres. I didn't even fly back with the team back to Denver. Then we had the Super Bowl parade, and right after that, they had, like, Rick Ross had came to Denver, and he did, like, this Super Bowl party for, like, the champions,

and then it was something else or something else. And it asked me, like, you want to do Dancing with the Stars? I had to go back to L.A. And it just kind of, like, all, like, happened, bro. And I think the Dancing with the Stars was, like, one of the dopest experiences for me, like 12 weeks in L.A. And then it was all type of other stuff going on in L.A. Like it always is in L.A. at the same time.

So I was able to live in L.A. for three months. And, you know, I really just vibe out. I had already spent, like, you know, a lot of time in L.A. before. But being on Dancing with the Stars and, like, having my partner, you know, Whitney, she was great and meeting all the people on Dancing with the Stars. I feel like that was something that I remember for the rest of my lifetime. You know, all the other stuff, like the SPs and, you know, American Country Music Awards, the Grammys, the Oscar, all of that stuff, you can, it would happen again. But, like, Dancing with the Stars was that moment in time.

And there was something special that I hold close to my heart. Yeah, we had Joey Grazadee from Dance with the Stars, too. That's the coolest thing when you go on there, like, and especially if you win it, it's like, you don't really ever defend the title. You're right. It's kind of like everyone's won and done. So you're right. Like, that's probably an invite. Like, you get one time and one time only.

Yeah, I was able to come back and I did like a little cameo. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. They don't even had those much. So, like, be able to come back. And I remember when I came back though and I had to like learn like a routine, I was like, yeah, I'm done with this. Like I remember how tough it was. I was like, yeah, I'm done with this, man.

But it was definitely an experience, man, that I remember for the rest of my life. Well, this past year, man, you had a great year, nine sacks. and you guys, you know, obviously, I think you didn't have the year you guys wanted it as a team, but for you still having a tremendous impact on the field, how are you just feeling personally now, kind of looking back in the season and then, you know, as a free agent, right? Like, what do you, like, what are you looking for going into next year and the team and where you're at in your career at the moment? Man, you know, free agency, it was, it took a long time last year.

It was longer than what I thought. You know, I thought, for one, I didn't, I didn't want to be a free agent. I wanted to stay with the Buffalo Bills. You know, they, um, they let me go. And, you know, that off-season, it was right at the beginning of a free agency. I was thinking, like, okay, maybe it would take like a week. Maybe it take, like, two weeks. All right, a month.

And then OTA passed by. And, you know, now it's June and now July's coming up. And, like, a week before training camp, a week before training camp, like, I signed with with the Washington commanders. And, you know, it was a lot of hype going into that. Yeah. They had just played in the NFC championship the year before. Jaden Daniels

had his rookie season, crazy rookie season. You know, so it was a lot of expectation. They had retooled in some spots and got better at some spot in some spot. So it was a lot of expectation going in. It was like, this is the year we went to the NFC championship the year before.

This is the year we're going to break through and go to the Super Bowl. And that's what I was That's what I was hoping on. Another accolade is that hasn't been a player to play in three different, on three different teams and play in three different Super Bowls. There's been one player on three different teams, and he's been to the Super Bowl, but he didn't play. Matt Miller, he was on three different teams,

but he didn't play in three different Super Bowl. So that's something that I kind of been, like, wanting to get, and that was my opportunity to do it. And the crazy thing about it, too, there's only two teams that I talked. There's only two teams that I talked to in all season. You can only sign with one. Right. But there's only two teams that, it was only two teams that I was talking to,

and it was the Seattle Seahawks, and it was the Washington Commanders. There you go. And I was sitting there before, like, man, these really good teams, like, and I'm like, dang, like, I know Sam Darnal's good, and I know Jackson Smith and the Jigman defense is crazy. And I'm like, dang, dang, though, like, we got Jaden Daniels over here, and he just did this. I'm like, man, like going back and forth.

And, you know, I chose to go to the Washington commanders and Seattle Seahawks might win the Super Bowl. So that's kind of how things ball out. That's how football is, though, man. You never know. It's so hard to win every year, as you know. Yeah. Well, it feels like one of those kind of years, too.

I mean, this, to me, as a fan, this has been the most unpredictable season watching. Like, truly any team could beat any team at any given time. And these playoffs have been extremely wild. So, yeah, I mean, being a free agent looking at those two T, I think it's impossible to be like, oh, I think this is going to be the one. I think you just got to go at your heart. And you made, you know, you made a good pick as Jaden Daniels. So, but this has been a really crazy year of the parity of how why everyone keeps using the words like wide open.

Oh, it's an AFC is wide open. The NFC is wide open. I mean, still got to go out there and play. It's not necessarily wide open. Not necessarily wide open. The Seattle Seahawks, they look incredible. God. And, oh, man, too.

You know, that's showing all the things that you want to see from Super Bowl teams late in this point. I tell you what, the one team that has given the Seattle Seahawks problems is the Los Angeles Rams. Like, two good games. They won Los Angeles Rams, won the first game. Second game, you know, they could have won the second game too. You know, they had the backwards pass. They got to get forward and the guy falls on it in the end zone. They go to overtime.

And, you know, they go for two. they score and they go for two and guys wide open and then like it could have went both ways so if it's one team that could beat the seattle seahawks it's the los angeles rams so coming up uh this uh this nmc championship game is going to be a good one for sure well i love for you to like to break it down and just what you i mean you've seen these guys and also just you play for the rams and one of super bowl sean mcvay like what i'd be curious because i play for kubiak in houston and and that tree, right? The Shanahan and McVeigh,

and it's just like, it's the best coaching tree I think in the NFL right now. What makes McVeigh different maybe than other coaches that you've played for? Man, for one, I think he's only two years older than me.

So he's only, you play long enough, you know, it's going to happen. So he's only, he's only two years older than me. But he just has like this presence about him. And I'm playing in league, this will be my 16th year coming up.

Wow. I've been, I've been around some really, really good coaches, and Coach McVey is just one of them. And sometimes it's not particular like X&O. Sometimes they're able to just pull, they're just able to pull that performance out of you that you wouldn't normally be able to do on your own, like true leaders of me. Coach McVeigh is one of them. Every single team meeting, he's leading the team meeting.

He doesn't need like videos or like this or like that. It's like him. I'm up here. Like I'm talking to y'all. Like, we need this. We got to do this. Boom. We got to do this, got to get this done.

Hey, got to come here. Hey, Aaron, got to do your thing. Like, and boom, like, you go out there and do it. You know, sometimes, you know, team head coaches, they got, they got a firm grip on the team like, hey, we got to be at this meeting at this time, or we got this. And then after team meeting, we're going to go here. Like, Coach McVeigh just kind of like, when I was there,

he kind of just let the guys, you know, be the guys, man. And, you know, the guys responded. it. You know, he wasn't, as far as the defense, like, overly into the defense, like, doing this and doing that, like, just kind of let those guys vibe. I'm sure on the offense, you know, he had a, you know, a firm grip over there for show, like, it's coach McVe. But he's able to dial it up, too, like, and I think his adjustments, too, not just at halftime. Like, he's adjusting throughout the game from my perspective. Like, he's adjusting throughout the game. And then having a quarterback, having a quarterback like that too, later in his career, still able to play at a high level.

I think him and Stratford, they kind of see from the same, like, perspective. And it's like having a coach on the field. And boom, like you have some of that success. And then Puka, like, bro, like, he's insane. Yeah. Puka's insane. He is truly insane. Like, he's had a lot of great catches this year.

I think one of the one of my favorite almost catches, not. catch was against the Atlanta Falcons on the sideline, like, where he, it was, like, for the game, and he, like, caught it on the sideline. Had tiptoe, and the guy, like, had just pulled his hand apart, and it looked like he caught it, like, just the level of, like, and then they slow it down, they got a slow motion on the sideline. I remember that, I think. Like, I was like, dang, he caught it.

Like, they're going to win the game. And then, like, he was able to put, like, he was, for some reason, it wasn't a catch. But just for him to, like, have that high level of, that high level thinking, like, Like, at receipt, bro, it's crazy. Pooka's on a whole new level and they got Devonte Adams over there, too, good running game, solid offensive line, defense is playing out of their mind too. Rams have a really good team. The Seattle Seahawks, they're complete all over.

Wire receiver to Rye receiver, Jackson Smith, New Jersey. Kind of like the same type of setup with both teams. It's going to be a battle, that's for sure. Stratford, I mean, you got Sam, you got Sam Darnel, Magic Stratford. Sam McDonnell is playing out of his mind right now. Sam, I mean, Matt Stratford is playing great in his whole entire career. Really good running game. Yeah, it's going to be a great game.

I would say the defense on the Seattle Seahawks is incredible too. Like, I love that defense. Ernest Jones in the middle. I won a shoe-go with him when we were at the Rams. And you just kind of like see, you kind of see it like on defense with the Seattle Seahawks. They catch the ball. They're ripping at the ball. they're going to the ground trying to break the ball up.

They have a really, really solid defense over there at the Seattle Seahawks. It's crazy to think about like, bro, I could have been there. I was going to say, you add you to the mix over there. And it's like there is no. Don't beat yourself up over it, man. No, I'm good. I'm, you know, just for entertainment. Like, I'm happy where I'm at, man.

Like, DQ, man, he's an incredible coach. You know, all the guys that we got over there. You know, they had Leonard Williams over there. We got the Ron Payne and Javon Kinlaw, like two. big dogs on the inside, like just got hit with a whole bunch of injuries this year. We'll be back. I love coach. I love Coach Quinn and the things that we're able to do right there. Quinn's awesome. Don't lick our chops and we're going to be ready to go next year. Something that I've really been enjoying with the show, with free range that you've been doing,

you know, you talk a lot about that Bronco Super Bowl and how much you guys, first you were kind of saying like it was like partying, but it wasn't party. We were like hanging out, right? So even when you talk about McVeigh and the coaches, like, I don't think this gets talked a lot, about NFL. We see it a lot in like NBA and baseball, how close dudes are. And like the, to me, the lightning in the bottle, even with like acting stuff and movies and TV, it's that chemistry. It's the very thing you can't necessarily account for. And I try to, like, you try to look for it. It doesn't really show itself on the field to fans. But you guys on that Broncos team, like, were you guys really just hanging out, like regularly like that?

Man, back then, I didn't have any kids. Now I got three. Right. Different now. Yeah. Yeah. I got. I got. I got three kids now, but back then, like, bro, I was, I was 20, 25 years old. Like, man, like, yeah, we hung out. Like, at my gate, I had a gate at my house, and, like, every guy that showed up, he had his own code. So you could come over. Like, it was just me. I was single.

I was single. I didn't have any kids. Like, hey, let's hang out. There was nothing else to do in Denver. Right. DT's number, his football number was 88, so his code to get in was 88, 88, and you just go, like, pressing the code and you could come in. And then when you go in through the back door, it just goes straight down into the basement.

So you always had, like, we always, like, had access to hang out. And we just kind of found reasons to hang out, too. Like, Thursday night, hey, casino night. Let's go hang out. Monday night, hey, let's watch the football game at the house. Like, Tuesday night, we ain't got nothing to do. Let's go watch. Let's hang out at the crib.

And then Wednesday after practice, you know how you get, like, that break in between, like, your practice. And you get, like, an hour and 45-minute break. Hey, let's go have lunch. I had a chef, hey, let's go have lunch at the house. Go have lunch at the house, come back to the facility. It was only, my house was only nine minutes away from the practice facility, too. So we just came up with reasons to hang out. We are playing the game, win or loss.

Win or loss, we didn't do much losing that 2015 year. But win or loss, we're going to hang out at the house. And bring, you know, everybody comes in for the home games too. You got mom, dad, brother, cousin. Like, bring them too. We won the AFC championship game. It was probably, it was like 600 people at my house. Like it was flooded.

It was like 600 people. When we beat Tom Brady and the New England Patriots, it was like 600 people at my house till like the sun came up the next day. It was, it was crazy. Were you part of Tebow mania? Weren't you part of that? Yep, I was there too. What do you remember?

What do you remember? Started out to take away from the Super Bowl run, but I was just curious, that was such a crazy time. Because you mentioned D.T. rest and peace to him, man. he was one of the best. But what do you remember about Tebow-Mania in that off-season? Well, that was my rookie season, too.

So I kind of just thought like this how it is. You know, I've got to like thinking like, I've got to think of like, hey, like, this football stuff is crazy. It's kind of like college playing with Tim Tebow. Like, bro, it was, it was some of the, like, some of the craziest plays that I was able to witness. Good and bad. I also saw Tim Tebow get sacked for 65 yards, too.

So I saw him get sacked. That's right. So I saw him get sacked for 65. I remember that. How did you get back for 65 yards? We got to pull that clip up. I also saw them come back by 17 points, and I think it was two minutes and five seconds.

We came back and won that game. Went to overtime, can't make it one day game. I was a part of that. I saw the DT slant catch to the end zone. I was a part of that, I was a part of that too. And just with Tim Tebow, like, and then you kind of start to, like, believe it, too. Like, you kind of, like, start to, like, fall into it.

Especially after that Miami comeback wind that we had, like, you kind of just like, hey, like, and they're playing it out on ESPN. Like, oh, yeah, like, hey, we got to, we're going to the Super Bowl. Like, no matter what happened, there's some angels in the outfield stuff going on right now. That's well set.

Somehow we're going to win the game. We're going to find a way to win the game. Just in the Alphil. And then, you know, we got, we're going to playoffs and we beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like, yes, we're going, it's going to happen. And then we go to New England and get killed. I think it was 41.

41 to 3, 41 to 6, and it was over with the next, then the following year, we got Peyton Manning and all of those guys as well too. So it was, especially earlier in my career, like I had some unreal teams and some unreal environments that I thought that was just how it's supposed to be, but you play long enough, you're going to get hit with some adversity and some success. And, you know, here we are 16 years later. Well, even now, you know, with the Broncos talk about adversity, right? They win that crazy game and then Bo Nix goes out. And I tweeted because I was just wondering, man, like, what on earth is Jared Stidham thinking

right now? You know, you hear that. Now, of course, like, he's a pro. He knows, like, he's been around. So it's not like he's, like, first time walking in the league. But I would almost want to ask you, too, you're, you know, obviously you're an elite defensive player. Like, what are you, are you saying anything that Jared Stidham at this point?

You're just letting him be, you tell him the defense got him. Like, he's, I mean, his mind's got to be whirl. whirl. He's about to play in the AFC championship game with a chance to punch the ticket to the Super Bowl. So I think, you know, I don't like to, if I was on the team with Jared Stenham, I think for me, I'm just, I don't like the two more horn, but when it comes to like, rushing the past, I can do that, been doing that my whole life, still roll out of bed and do that. When it comes to being, like, a good teammate, like, I just got, I just, I just, I just understand it. This is my 16th year in the NFL. I've been playing on football team since I was

five years old since contact football since I was in the fifth grade. Like I just, I just understand the dynamic of a team, like, and the different personalities and how to, how to bond with guys.

And if I was on the team, I would, I would firmly believe in my bond with Jared Stidham. Not just the, I don't just bond with, like, the starting quarterback or the starting wide receiver. Like,

my best friend under Denver Broncos was Brandon McMannis. He was a kicker. Mm-hmm. Like, those are my guys. Like, if I was on a, team with Jerry said him, I will rely on my bond with Jared to be like, hey, like, you can do this. Like, you know, we don't have to think about like the Super Bowl. We don't have to think

about none of that stuff. Like, these are the opportunities that, these are opportunities that you, that you hope for. And I've looked at his highlights too. You know, he don't have many highlights. But when you look at like, you know, his, his mechanics, he can do it. Like, you can do it. Like, you can make all the throws. Sean Payton is going to have, Sean Payton is going to have an unbelievable game plan for those guys. Denver defense, like these are the type of games that they hope for. Nick Benito, John the Cooper, Patrick Sartan, like, the Denver Broncos can win this game. They can win this game and then you just worry about the Super Bowl whenever you get to the Super Bowl.

Like the Denver Broncos can win this game. It's four quarters taking one play at a time, one drive at a time. You're going to get, what, 12, 13 drives? just focus on one play at a time. And I firmly believe that the Denver Broncos can win this game. The New England Patriots, they got a great team. And hopefully they kind of like take that step back,

that foot back. Like, hey, like we play it. Like, we're in the Super Bowl already. Like, you were hoping, pray that they are already looking ahead, like already. And, you know, the Denver Broncos come out there and just stomp them. But I firmly believe in the Denver Broncos.

Sean Payton has, I know for a fact, he's going to have an unbelievable game playing. Vanjoseph in his defense, they're going to have an unbelievable defensive package to. You know, if you keep them down, if you keep them under 21 points, like, Demi Broncos should be in contention to win that game laid in it. I think you feel like, like, when I remember, like, Kyle Shannon is one of those guys. If you have a coach and when the starting quarterback, because you look at like, Brock Purdy

missed a lot of time and Mack Jones came in and ball dish, I always feel like if you have a coach, like a McVeigh or a Shannon, that you just know, like, they are going to get the most out of their QB, no matter who it is. I think Sean Payton falls into that. And that's why I think Jared Siddon will play well. Like, I think he'll have a plan to where, like, he's not going to have to, he's going to have to make some plays, but like, he's not going to have to do a whole lot. He's just going to manage the game and make a couple of plays when he's asked to. What do you, like, you know, you played for the bills and, you know, I had a brief stint for the bills for about five days, Vaughn. I don't know if remember that. You probably don't. It was a rough fucking preseason,

but it's okay. What do you, and you play for Sean McDermann and all that, what do you make of just kind of what's happening with the bills and just, and I'm a massive

Josh Allen fan, and you play with him, I think he's fantastic, but there's just so much swirling around that organization and then obviously letting go of their coach, you know, last week.

Man, that was, that was, I didn't see that coming. Yeah. But I understand it. You know, especially, you know, being around Brandon Bean and, you know, his mentality, like, to win a Super Bowl. Like, sometimes you got to make those hard decisions.

Playing in the league a while, you know, I can only refer, like, back to my past, like, experiences. When I first got in the NFL, we had Coach Fox. We had won a division with Tim Tebow. The next three years, we had won a division with Peyton Manning, went to one Super Bowl and lost it. We should have had another Super Bowl was a Mahal miracle to, Jacobi Jones with the Baltimore Ravens,

they go on to win the Super Bowl. And then in 2014, we lose to the Indianapolis coach, Andrew Luck, and they fire coach Fox, and we're looking like, dang, like, what's, like what? They, why would they do that? Like, we're trying to win a Super Bowl.

Payton Manning, he only got at least one more year left, if that, you know? And they hired Coach Kubiak. Coach Kubiak, I don't think he had won a playoff game ever, have been to the playoffs, but I don't think he had won a playoff game ever and Coach Kubiak comes in and immediately it was just it was just it was like a it was just a difference it was you know it wasn't the same scheme it wasn't the same culture but it was a

difference and you know I went from practicing every single play in practice and practice and being like a like a rookie like type guy to like now I'm a vet like now it's my 50-year-in-league I'm a day on day off I practice a day on and day off And, you know, Coach Kubiak, he's got me over here with the vets now. Before with Coach Fox, I was, like, one of the rookies, like, one of the young guys. Like, Coach Fox had drafted me. So, you know, you can't – sometimes you can't really get outside that box, too, when you have, like, coaches like that around.

And I think it was our team that kind of, like, just had, like, a relief from that. And things were different, but we went on to win the Super Bowl that very first year with Coach Kubiak. We had won nine games. It was nine games that we had – one within three points or less. So all nine of those games could have went the opposite way. We were able to chain those games together. We're a number one seed in the AFC.

Later in that year, we had bench Peyton Manning as well. Brock Oswald came in and played like the last month of the season. So it was a lot of stuff that Coach Kubi had to navigate. And we were able to take that ship all the way to the Super Bowl, play the Carolina Panthers. I think it was the biggest odds. favorites for Super Bowl, like in NFL history, if I, if I don't remember. I think they were like, I think they were like nine point favorites or something. It was Cam Newton and the, the,

Cam Newton and the Panthers. They were like nine point favorites. It was some crazy line. We were able to win that game too. So sometimes it's sometimes you got to make those sub-decision and sometimes too, though, like you think like you're making a great decision for football teams and you end up hurting the team. That's firmly in Brandon Bean and Terry Pagoole's like hands. You know, I'm sure in their minds, they're thinking that they're making, you know, they're trimming the tree for more growth down the rope. Coach McDermott did an unbelievable job, though.

He took the bills from the seller of the NFL. Like, nobody was thinking, when I first came in the league, like, we're talking about the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. And now they like, they're like a powerhouse in the AFC. They expected to go to the Super Bowl every year. That was all Coach McDermen. Coach McDermen, Josh Allen, Brandon Bean.

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who are some pass rushers that you look at and you're just like, I like what that guy's doing? You know, how much do you pay attention to the Miles Garrett record chase and watching like Max Crosby in Oakland? Because it's a great time for pass rushers, man. It's so fun to watch. as a fan because it just feels like a chess match all game long. Yeah.

I mean, that's my life. I'm a sicko. Like when it comes to pass rush, I don't do, I don't do things much. I don't do, I don't do a lot of things well, but when it comes to that, guys like us every day. That's, that's my life, you know, and pass rushing is how I was able to do it. So, and I love watching all of the Young's past past rushes especially. You know, Nick Benito, like, he's incredible.

Like, when I'm watching them, it's like, it's like, it's, like the telekinesis, like, I know exactly what he's thinking and like, he's just doing it. Like, I'm watching from miles and miles away watching on TV and I'm like, dang, like, oh, he should do this on, boom, like, and like he's just, he's just out there doing it. Like, he's in his own lane. And speaking to own lanes, like, Miles Garrett, like, you can't even, like, compare Miles Garrett to, like, anybody. And in football, you get caught up in these comparisons, like, oh, he used to play like,

when I was coming out, they just like, oh, he played like Derek Thomas. see, Miles Garrett doesn't have a comparison. Like, he is just Miles Garrett. He's in his own lane. You know, nobody has done it the way he's done it. Nobody has been able to get sacks the way he's been able to do it. He's the same size of these offensive linemen. Like moving, like, guys like me and Nick Benito.

So it's, he's in his own lane. When we talk about our favorite pass rushers, like I love Max Crosby. That's one of my favorite pass rushes. It looks like he's just out there playing basketball. ball like hooping. Dallas Turner for the Vikings. I like Dallas as well. Greg Rousseau, different bill.

I like his game as well. Yeah, I pay attention to all of these guys, man. It's pass rushers. You got to have one to be successful. Now, you used to just have like a quarterback and a couple of receivers. Like you got to have a pass rusher to be successful. You got to have guys to protect the league. And, yeah, it's a lot of them in the NFL right now.

So I love the, you know, the X's and O's of, you know, being a quarterback and film study and dissecting defenses and all that. And it goes the same, I think, with pass rushing. And I know you're still playing. So you don't have to give away some of your tricks. But like as someone who's done it at an elite level for a long time and will be a first ballot Hall of Famer, you know, take us in your mindset when you're preparing, when you're watching film, what you're, what you're looking for, you know, because, you know, we'll clip this and what. send it out and hopefully young pass rushers will get a chance to say, man, that was like, this is what Vaughn Miller used to do. What are some of those things that you do to get an edge? Well, me personally, I think pass rush moves are like overrated. I know I've said that. I've said that before. For me, especially later in my career to be able to get sags, man, I'm in tune with the game. Like I understand the game and the situation that we are in. I know after each and every play, how much time is left on the game. I know where we are on the field. I know how many points the other team needs. I know all of these little things. It's like I'm just doing all these little

calculations in my head. Like I'm looking at the formation. I'm trying to gain as much information that I can to make to make plays. Like I'm not as fast as I used to be, not as bendy as I used to be, not as strong as I used to be. But the brain still works the same. And, you know, two minutes left in the game. right after two minute warning they don't have any timeouts left they're down about four points i know it's i know it's i know it's going to be a quick snap time i know it's they're trying to get the ball down the field i know they're trying to win the game you know they're on their they're starting their drive off they got one time out you know two minute warnings come they might not you know they might not snap they might do a hard count it's just little it's little stuff like that

that i just like analyze and that's how i'm able to still be able to do it it's not necessarily like you know, a specific move or anything like that. I know exactly where we are in the game. You know, they say quarterbacks are like game managers and stuff. I'm the game manager on defense. Like I know exactly how many points they need. I know exactly what we need to do on defense. I know exactly where their stars are on the field.

You know, I know the formation that they're in. I don't typically watch film on like offensive linemen. I watch film on me and like our guys and like the games that we that we running but when I'm going against guys they never block me the same. I never get those same looks that. Right. Like I'm watching a guy a week before and he's giving up this move to this other guy. And then when I get up like it's not, it's never the same. So I'm always watching me and I just, I go out there and I just try to be the best version of me.

The get off is the most important part of pass rush. And you know, guys talk about like all of these different. different moves and stuff. The get-off is the most important. Like, if you beat a guy out of his stands, like, that's 75% of the passers. There's no move. Miles Garrett does it all the time. If you watch Miles Garrett, his get-off is so amazing to be 280 pounds. Like, he's able to get out that three-point stance and be two steps into it before the offensive lineman can even get out of his kickstep. And then you use the power and the bend on top of that, too. Like, it's hard to, it's hard to stop that. It's hard to defend that. He'll be able to do that for 20 years.

So that's where I met with it, and I'm just a game manager on defense. That's awesome. I think the message to young guys is all that thing. It's like, you know, talent, obviously you're talented. Like everyone's got talent and you got skill and all that. But it's the mental part. It's just understanding situations in a game that can give you an edge. And I think that's a message to young kids is like, dude, everybody's really good when you get to the NBA.

It doesn't matter. Everyone is great. Now what's going to separate you? It's just understanding the situation, understanding how much time's on the clock, what the offense is trying to do. And that's obviously what's made you great. Every week we do a Wendy's fresh take of the week. And I want to ask you this, and this could be fun.

The three toughest quarterbacks that you've ever played against, and that can be someone like a Brady where they just were mentally so ahead of the game. It could be someone who's fast and hard to chase down. But when you look back at your career, who are the three guys that you were always like, damn like he's tough to play against. Man, it was a point in time in NFL history where Russell Wilson

nobody wanted to play Russell Wilson I tell you right now. There was a point in Tom Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks nobody wanted to play Russell Wilson in the Seattle Seahawks like it was a time where like he struck fear in like

defenses like and defensive coordinators like he was going to scramble, he was going to buy time. He might even run, but he's going to find Golden Tate over the top or or balling over, like, it was, it was a point in time where Russell Wilson was like the standard. Like, that's the quarterback that everybody in the NFL

is trying to get. That's the quarterback for all of these friends. This is the, this is the blueprint to have, you know, a dynasty. You got to get you a Russell Wilson. There was a point in time where that had happened. So Russell Wilson, was one of those guys that that I was like,

dang, like I got to be on top of my, got to be on top of my game. Lamar Jackson has always been, you know, tough. He's, I mean, you can get to him, but it's hard to bring him down. Yeah. And I think, you know, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes,

they kind of go into like that same, you know, like that same, or they do things differently. Like Patrick does it a little bit more with his arm. Lamar Jackson, does a little bit more with his feet. They're both effective. They're both able to get it done.

And then on top of that, I know this is the fourth one, but, man, Cam Newton, it was a point time in NFL history. Like, and I, and I, people like, you know, Cam, he wore the hats and stuff. And, like, people like to try to make fun at them and stuff. But, like, when you go back and you do your research on, like, Cam Newton, it was a point in time in NFL history

where he was killing everybody, like, he was killing everybody, linebackers, defensive tackles, defensive ends. stiff-arming guys, like dancing on guys. It was a point in time where Cam Newton was the man. Like it was like, he's going to be his trajectory, like he's going to be the best player in NFL history. Like it was a point in time in NFL history.

I'm old enough to know. Yeah. And to have respect for his game and his craft. Cam Newton, I think that's why I always, his talent and his ability, it always brought out the best. It always brought out the best in me. And I think that I would, it just wouldn't be right to put Cam Newton on that list as well. Because he always brought the best out of me.

Like whenever we played them, I'm, you know, I say I don't watch film. I'm watching film. I'm getting sleep. I'm going to the facility early. I'm getting my lifts in. I'm doing everything that I can do to, like, add on to my success for that game. And Cam Noon, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Patrick. homes like all of those guys were

incredible. Cam Newton is one of the biggest human beings at that position too and could run like that too goddamn, yeah. I remember telling a Hollywood producer because Cam would always do this, right? I'm like, they should cast him as Superman. Like that dude is real life Superman on the football field.

Like he actually played football like a modern day Superman. The only guy went like this and I was like, I buy it there probably is an S under there. Yeah, he's a piece. You get all the, you fast forward little bit. Now, he's, he has his podcast, and he's on TV, and he has these, his outfits and stuff, and, like, the hats, like, but people don't know, man. Like, they don't know, like, y'all don't,

y'all don't know, man. Like, Cam Newton was, he was the guy, like, he was, for he was incredible. He was huge. He was fast. He could throw. Like, every week, he was all over TV, all the indoors, like, camp, where Cam Newton was, like, the guy. I'm old enough to remember, like, and still had that respect for Cam Newton in his game. join team tendies and enjoy a lineup like never before. Crispy, juicy tendies now at Wendy's. Well, thank you for that. And I can't let you go without telling you this too, right?

So every week when we have like our guests, my wife will always ask, oh, who's coming on? And she'll like follow sports. I don't really know, but she'll always do like a Google search. So when I told her you were coming on, I swear this is no lie. She said, I was just looking at greener pastures chicken. I can't believe that's what you're talking. She didn't want to ask about the Super Bowl.

She didn't want to know anything about Cam Newton. She wanted to know if we could get some over here in Ohio. Can we order and get some greener pastures chicken in Ohio? Of course, of course. I send you guys some. Man, let them know, man. I send you. I did.

I told them. Yeah, I sent it out, bro. I sent it out. I get you a box and some hats, bro. Yeah, I started Greener Pastures Chicken, you know, in 2004. People say, how did you get in that? How did you get a chicken? Man, I took an easy class.

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man, I got some new hats and stuff too. I send both of you guys out some merch and some chicken for show, man. Well, it's funny because you mentioned how different life is with your kids. I'm about to have my third, and I can't tell you the amount of conversations my wife and I've had about

where do you think these chickens were raised. Like, and the food that we're bringing into our house. I think you hit the nail on the head. Like, that is a constant conversation in the Ferrara household. So please keep up that good work because that's important stuff that you're doing. And let's just say you made a nine-month pregnant lady very happy.

She's going to be fired up for that. So thank you. And again, I think I love what you're doing with free range. I love that you're letting it fly and speak in your truth. It's rare that we see it a little bit with the NBA, but not as much with the NFL, like a current active player who's willing to talk about current football. So I think that's a really special thing you're doing with that.

So I encourage everybody to subscribe to that on YouTube too or however you get that. But Von Miller, man, thank you. Hey, enjoy the offseason, man. I appreciate you, brother. All I like to do now, man, I'll be 37 years old in March. All I like to do is kicking it with the kids, then I get tired of kicking it with the kids and I go play golf.

It's just this cycle of that. I'm going to play golf. That's all I like to do. In Dallas, my son's at SMU down the street from you, so I'm going to come see you out there. I've never felt more in common with a Super Bowl MVP than that. There's the same two things I do. I hang with the kids and I sneak away for some golf when I need a break.

That's it, man. Let me know, man. I'm a member out here a couple of spots, man. Let's go play, man. Yeah, man. Appreciate Chavon. Thank you, guys. Thanks for having me. All right, it's that time, which has slowly become my favorite part of this show. Annie Agar joining us, courtesy of Twisted Tea.

We're going to do some twisted trivia. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. I feel like you didn't need as many twisted teas this weekend. Not as many. If I was drinking them, it was for fun, not to cover up the pain of loss. It's nice to be stress-free watching football, right? It is. It is. It's a different kind of enjoyment.

because I do like being stressed because obviously my team still got a chance, but the second they're out and I process that emotion, I'm like, yeah, let's just relax and watch a original round. Well, I was having a great week, John Harbaugh to the Giants, all the press conference. He's interested in. And then I go watch one of my favorite content creators in the game, make her weekly video and just annihilates the job. It was, to my opinion, it was the joke of the video.

Oh, good. I'm also sorry, but it's. paraphrasing, but she essentially said, Giants are famous for blowing fourth quarter leads. And now with Harbaugh, you're just going to blow fourth quarter leads in the playoffs. No big deal. Ouch. So, somebody commented, they said, my team's been out for weeks.

Can you leave us alone? I'm sorry. Yeah, you had some heat for the jets still. You were still looping in a lot of the team. And let's be honest, you're really, I mean, you're really not sorry. You're really not sorry. No, I'm not. Yeah, you're not sorry.

I will say, though, you're a part of this, I think, because you commented recently about the Bills. But Bill's fans are, the Bill's Mafia does not play around. And I knew I was going to go hard on Josh Allen because of the turnovers. And like, yeah, maybe he doesn't have a good roster. But it was, the sloths was pretty much solely on him. And so I went, I went in on Josh Allen and Bill's fans were, they were hurting. Yeah, you can't do that.

But it wasn't like they could come back and say that's not true. But they just were like, I'll leave Josh alone, you know. Sticking up with their guy. Well, before we get into Twitter, I got a fun little bit for us here. Okay. Which of these things would you guys have criticized me the most for if I told you before the season that you would have said, Jerry, you're fucking crazy.

All right. This is fun. Number one, the only coach left standing in the AFC North will be Zach Taylor. Would never believe it. Number two, Stidham will be starting an AFC championship game. My personal favorite number three, Drake May may in fact win. MVP and Super Bowl MVP, and we'll wrap it up with the fourth one. Caleb Williams will become the most clutch playoff quarterback in the game.

Which one of those would have been like, Jerry, go take a nap? The Stidom one could because injuries can happen all the time. Sure. So I would, I'd say that's plausible. But you could maybe think at the beginning of the year, oh, does Bo Nix get benched? The coaching thing, dude. But before Bo Nix had a great year. But before, Bo NICs.

Yeah, I'd probably say the AFC North one. Ravens are pre-seasoned Super Bowl. They're always Super Bowl. Tomlin, you just felt like was going to be there forever. I mean, who am I missing? Jack Taylor and then, I mean, Cleveland. Yeah, but yeah.

And maybe Caleb, but Caleb, like, we didn't really know his potential with Ben Johnson yet, so I would say that AFC North one. If you'd have told me Zach Taylor was the last man standing. You would have been shocked. Believe it.

And now, look, now, though, we're talking about Stefanski. We now have an official NFC South rivalry, which is something I'd also be going into next year we never have thought. Oh, it's back, baby. You didn't really play in the Twitter era. Is that something like a Matt liner would have did?

Like, you get traded that way? I was always afraid because of the way my career went early. I was, I just, I always, like, I always felt like I had a muzzle on. And I wasn't my personality anyway. Like, I wasn't like, and that's why I love Baker because Baker just does not give a fuck. But that's also what makes him special. And the thing I love about him, I think, gosh, who was? One of his former teammates came out.

Who's the defense alignment? He played with Oklahoma. I forget. Someone helped me here. But they just basically said, like, that's who Baker is. That's why everybody, every fan base has loved them because he has that chip on his shoulder. I like it when you fire back, like a little at an old coach. Like, you don't get that too often, you know?

We've seen a little bit of that this year, too. Like the Sean Payton stuff. Get a little more. Guys are little more edgy. Joe Burrow tweeted for the first time in like two years. Unlocked his Twitter account and told us what a catch was and was not, which was super interesting. People are getting a little, you know, a little behind that keyboard. Somebody said actually on the topic of this, the Brett Farr-Vara, the game where he threw like a million picks.

Imagine that happening in Twitter. He would have been, this man would not have been able to show his face. He would have gotten lit up. Six I and T's in the playoff game. Crazy. It's crazy. I was talking. I'm name drop, but Orlovsky this week.

And Orloffi's been taking some of it. He's on their fire. I DM'd him. Did you? I did. What did you say? Can you tell us? Well, I first of all, I was going to use, I was going to make a joke about him in my video.

And then I was like, oh, probably should. It was going to be something about crossing a line. I'll just say that. But then I saw a bunch of stuff. And I was like, oh, this man. And then he tweeted out something about the ad. And I know Twitter, like Twitter's brutal. It's successful.

I've been on the receiving end of it. It's terrible. So I felt so bad. So I said, hey, like, you know, something like, keep your head up type of thing. And I sent him a Hardy song that's all about, like, the haters. I love Hardy So. You pep talked them. You pep talked him.

And he was so great. He was like, I'm used to it. I was a quarterback. But he's like, when they spin my words, that's what I don't like. And I would, I've never had that. So I would hate it too. I just, I don't know. I stayed out of it after that.

But I was like, just want to let him. The hard part for him is just like, he's on TV every day. So you're just, all that. Several time. Yeah. He does a great job. It's just like you're people are going to, I mean, people spend things all time. That's it. But it was just funny. It's just like, dude, it's tough in those streets, bro. Keep your head off. He's like, no. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Oh, man. Anyways. Shall we do a little twisted trivia? I'm not feeling good about this new setup between me and Annie. I got to be honest with you. I love it. I'm intimidated by. I'm intimidated. Jerry loves it. It is fun being on Jerry's side of it. We should have. By the way. By the way. Yes, please. I would love to be. We'll switch. Maybe, yes, we'll switch. And, Andy, I will say, too, like, for Matt to have messed up A.J. Hawk last week, you're definitely in his head because that is like, that was a layup for him.

That's like a funny, you know. That was shocking. That was a shocking. That's the thing with trivia, though. You start doubting yourself. Like, I could be so confident on things. And even the way I answered, I'll be like, wait, was that? You know, it's in your head.

Well. All right, Jared. In honor of Jared Stiddam's start in the AFC championship game. We are going to discuss backup quarterbacks. Oh, best position in football. Three questions and two pictures to show. Okay.

Okay. Question number one. And one of our favorites, maybe one of the all-time famous backup quarterbacks, Nick Foles, tied the record. As a starter, though, he wasn't a backup for this one. He tied the record for touchdown passes in a game by passing for how many touchdowns against the Raiders. in 2013.

Five. Four? The touchdown record we're talking about, guys. Touchdown record. You said in a game. Touchdown passes in a game.

The record. Yeah. Four? I. And you said five? Well, Matt said five. Okay. Time out. Let's reset.

Oh, no. Matt went first with five. We both went. We both went. And he went then with four. I'm going to say those are both incorrect. Now, I think it goes back to Matt here. Because I think Matt went first.

Yeah. I think you went second. Matt, would you like to venture another guess? Seven is correct. We shot way too low. I must miss a record. I will steal that one. That was a terrible.

All right. I feel like you need to, you know, you were a little wordy there. Well, I wanted to clarify because I didn't want people to get on me. He did not do this when he was a backup. I just wanted to clarify that because Foles did start. Listen, it is always going to take that one-0 lead. It's always good to take that one-o lead. Question number two.

Josh Johnson has played for more teams. than anybody in NFL history. How many teams? 14. Correct. That is spot on. Correct. Matt is not playing around this week.

I wouldn't even been close. I saw that somewhere in the last two weeks. It's 2.0. Annie, you have to. There you go. Eddie, you're right. Got to lock in. Focus.

Close us out. Who was the highest paid backup quarterback in 2025? Uh, uh, James? Incorrect. Think it through. Think it through. We watch this whole season.

Highest, go back to camp. Not Russ. Cause he, does that count? Nope, not Russ. Not Russ. Annie,

we got to clear the way now for Matt here. Oh, sorry. Can I take a hint since I should guess? You could take a hint. Let's say it was really his first time being a backup, a long time NFL starter. Oh.

Hold it. Hold it, Annie. Don't let Matt get a guess out. Doggone it. Oh. Kurt Cousins. Kirk Cousins is correct. Dang it. And you threw two out there. You have both giants back up.

God, bless it. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. Shoot. Now here, let me set the table for picture time. Annie, something that has never happened on this show. No one has been skunked.

Five-oh. That and we may have to take your seat away. No one's got, I have not gotten skunked. Okay. Ever. That could be debatable. We could check the record. I've never been shut out.

That is a fact. So we're going to go to pictures. We're going to do the same setup as last week. Eyes closed. I will tell you when to open them. Remember, backup quarterbacks. Okay. So let's get the first picture going.

Eyes closed, please. Eyes closed. Okay. That is up and open your eyes. Oh, that's home. Clean tune? No, hold on. Incorrect.

Longneck, Houston, Texan. David Smith. Yep. Oh, yep. Correct. But you can't do two. You gave me hits. It was basically Matt giving me.

I was sorry. I was giving them. Let's just say the shutout is broken. Let's give. What do you mean? She gave three guesses before I even guessed. That's true. She cheated.

When I said long, when I said long neck, you were like, yeah, I know. Let's do the. the last second one, and if Annie doesn't get it, we'll put the first one under review. Okay. Back up quarterbacks. Close your eyes, please. Show the picture. Okay.

When you are ready, open your, open your eyes. Can you pick it? Yes, Annie. I clocked Annie there. We know how you are with time. So we'll go back. By the way, guys, it doesn't matter. You won, Matt.

Matt won. Fair and swear. Annie, I might have to come back into the hot seat after that one. I swear, if it were the other, if we did three, pictures and two questions, I feel like I'd have the upper hand. So this is your third week, right, Annie? So am I two in one? Because you beat me last week.

Yeah. Two and one. I'm pretty much dominating both of you. Why don't you guys let me be the host next week? And you guys duke it out for second. And then we could do like a best of seven series. Are you putting us in the loser bracket? Yeah.

Guys, I feel like we have to expand. We have to expand this playoff. I'm like the SEC. I need some help here. Yeah, we're going to have to add more playoff teas. Well, Thank you to Twisted Tea for that. That was a lot of fun.

I'm going to miss hosting. Hosting is definitely the best kick in town. There's no pressure. You feel so smart because you're like, oh, you idiots don't know this. And meanwhile, you have the answer right there. I'm like, how do you guys not know Kirk Cousins was making like $40 million this year? How did I not think?

God, I was thinking like Flacco. I even talked about him robbing NFL all the time. Yeah. Stupid. Oh, thank you to Twisted Tea. Thank you to Von Miller.

Thank you to Annie Agar. Thank you to everybody behind the scenes and makes this possible. We will be back next week. and there will be a Super Bowl to talk about. Yep. Peace.