Throwbacks with Matt Leinart & Jerry Ferrara - Wildcard Weekend Preview, NFL Predictions Revisited & Storytime with Dave Wannstedt

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

It’s Wildcard Weekend in the NFL! Matt and Jerry roll through the matchups they're most excited about and revisit their 2024 regular season predictions – some good, some not-so-good, some truly terrible!  Plus, former Head Coach Dave Wannstedt tells us which former pass rusher threatened him, which former running back was “NIL before NIL was NIL” and which former DB knew how to hold his teammates accountable.  And finally, we give you our top 3 NFL Playoff Runs of all time in today’s edition of the Throwback 3.  New episodes of Throwbacks drop every Thursday. Make sure you’re subscribed on YouTube and following on all podcast platforms. Also, make sure you’re locked in on social @ThrowbacksShow on all platforms for highlight moments, bonus content, and to engage with the guys & the Throwbacks community. (http://throwbacksshow.com/)     A big thank you to our sponsors:   Throwbacks is presented by Cash App  That's Money. That's Cash App.   Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank.  https://cash.app/bank     Wendy’s   Pick between a Classic or Spicy Chicken Sandwich, Hot and Juicy Dave’s Single, or 10 pc Nuggs as part of Wendy’s 2 for $7 deal.  https://order.wendys.com/category/129/meal-deals?lang=en_US    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did we ever find out with turtle how he made his money? It was a tequila, right? So do we ever really know? He, we don't know. We never knew how much he actually made. No one knows. He definitely has more money than Vince. And I'm convinced right now, if we ever do the reboot turtles broke now.

All right, welcome to another episode of throwbacks. It's kind of a road game. Road trip, baby. It's a road trip for your boys. Matt, I'm not, I don't see the same Manhattan Beach garage set up with the cash app sign. Where are you? Well, we're actually pretty close to each other. I'm in Miami. I've been in Miami all week for the Orange Bowl

that is gonna be played tonight, Penn State Notre Dame. So I got inducted into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame, man. Wow. And honestly, I just, I wanna shout out, you know, my teammates, but I also wanna just shout out the Oklahoma fans, you know, who just absolutely freaking love me online. Shout out to the Sooners, Boomer Sooner. We whooped that ass about 20 years ago, 5519 right here down the street. But yeah, in Miami this week, a little bit of a vacation, but you're on a family vacation,

dude. Where are you, by the way? You look like you're in a, vacation. I was about to say. Where are you, by the way? You look like you're in a like a fucking phone booth, bro. What are you doing? One of us is getting inducted into a Hall of Fame while the other is putting on a Hall of Fame dad performance in the Kidwater Park down in Bahama. Yeah, I'm in my room. So the backdrop, you don't want to see the other side of this. It's just well, my room, so the backdrop, you don't wanna see the other side of this,

it's just- Well, my room's super dark, but whatever. Yes, but I am looking out at the ocean. This is the same place where Derek Jeter, I've talked about that golf tournament, where he has that golf tournament. Let me just say, it's a little different being down here with kids when it's just usually Bree and I

walking around, Hank partying with Johnny Damon, and now I'm in bed by nine o'clock. So how many times how many times have you been down the water the water slide? It's the best. It's the best. There's there's a there's an adult part that I keep sneaking off to like where did where did dad go? I keep going on this one slide. That's adults only it's down to go get a coffee and I come back a half hour later soaking wet.

My boy was in Arizona this week and they had, one of the hotels had a big water slide and he got a, he had a sinus infection and he was telling me his wife was all like giving him shit for snoring. And he's like, he's like the other night cause he couldn't breathe. He's like, well, if you wouldn't have me

fucking go down the water slide a thousand time with the girls, I would be alright I was like dude those waterslides. It's like again daddy again daddy Oh, man, one thing before we move on to my three-year-old, you know, Bahamars, obviously a casino There's a lot of gambling down here my three-year-old last night Sprinted through the casino bumping into throwing dice, tried to sit at the blackjack table. You gave him the shirt off.

He's like he turned into Frank the tank this weekend. Well, his dad's a little bit of a degenerate gamble. So that's that far that far from the tree, dude. So we have a later coming up. We have, I mean, someone that you've worked with, but someone we all know, maybe one of my favorite coaches to watch, Coach Dave Wanstead is gonna be joining us. So, Coach is the best, man.

Like, and also too, because where we're at in the NFL season, where all these coaching, firings, hirings, the carousel, Coach has been in that position. He covers the Bears. So I'm excited to kind of hear what he thinks about the Bears, but also just the coaching,

almost in a way like an epidemic, because we've seen first year coaches get fired. Like there's no like, hey, two or three years anymore. So it's such an interesting time. And then just when you look at like, coach, if you look at his resume, you're like, holy shit, like Super Bowls with Dallas, coached at the U with Jimmy Johnson and one one there.

Oklahoma State pit head coach Miami Dolphins head coach Chicago Bears like like he's a living legend. He's seen a lot. I wanted to have him on man because he's just got the best stories like and he's a storyteller. It's going to be fun to talk to me. He's a great friend of mine and you're going to love him. He was defensive coordinator, right? On that Miami, like the Catholics versus Convict game. The documentary about. Yeah, with Notre Dame on tonight too. He was in that.

Yeah, I mean, he and Jimmy Johnson are like best friends. I mean, both of those guys, you get them in the same. It's like one of those things, like, you probably maybe get it at Jeter's event, right? Where you sit at a table and you just hear people talk. But like, he's one of those things, like you probably maybe get it at Jeter's event, right? Where you sit at a table and you just hear people talk, but like he's one of those people, he's this big like pit guy, six, four, commands a room. The minute he sits at a table, you're like,

you're just like, okay, here we go. That's the guy we gotta talk to. He holds shop and he, I'll tell you what, man, he's got some stories I hope. I hope he tells some of them, cause's he's a legend but yeah Dave's coming on well coach will be on there's a lot of coaching vacancies too which we're gonna talk about with him probably and we'll chat about in a second we have a good throwback three being that the NFL playoffs are among us this weekend

we're gonna talk NFL playoff runs not just upsets but who went on a run, some that you might even least likely expect. But also, before we really dig in, you know, we're both you're outside of LA right now. I'm away from home lived in LA for a very long time too. We have to take a second and just wish everybody well out there with the fires going on because it looks, you know, watching along. It looks it looks pretty crazy. So we're really hoping and praying everybody's okay. Yeah, just obviously the, you know, the first responders, the firefighters, everybody that's helping. Um, and then as you know, like we've talked kind of this week, just like,

I'm not there, but like, you know, power went out by our house. We're okay. Our area is okay. But we know a lot of people up in the Palisades area and just in that valley where you're familiar with obviously and all of the mountains and it's just a very dangerous man when fires get going there and heartbreaking, devastating. We're thinking about everybody and hope everybody stays safe, man. So hopefully they can get this thing under control. I wanted to ask you, do you for the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame, you get a jacket, like what do you get?

Do you get like a plaque, a jacket, or something I could borrow from you, put in my office? What do you get, anything? You don't even know. You look, I don't have no idea. I thought we got a jacket, but I tell you what, you know when the Orange Bowl committee is somewhere because they have their bright ass orange jackets.

That's what I'm hoping for. I do want to say this, I do wanna shout out the hospitality this week has been A plus, first class, the events, the people, they put on just a great week for us. It's me, Vince Wolfork is in, and Coach Meyer who obviously is pretty fun. So, you know, he's obviously one of my close buddies.

So the three of us are getting in. I think we get a big plaque because I looked at a couple of pictures from last year. So I think it's a pretty big plaque with a, like it's pretty cool looking. So if you want it, dude, I mean, I'll ship it to you. If you want to put it in the game room, it might go up in my setup at the house in the garage.

We'll see. That's kind of hoping for the jacket, but let, you know, something else that was cool too. We had my nephew on last week and he's texting me too. He just happened to unlock you in Madden Ultimate Team. 85 in the picture they use of you. You're a running quarterback in that picture. Clearly they have me mistaken for somebody else.

I was an 85 overall. Whatever. have me they have me mistaken for somebody else. I was an eighty five overall. Whatever. Got the liner card on Mutt and it's your eighty five. By the way, by the way, you're winning a Super Bowl with me at eighty five. Easily. Definitely me, too. The way I run. But but you sent me that picture, dude, of me. It was me running. I'm like, what the fuck?

What is wrong with these? It says field general. That's how they categorize you. But you're sprinting like you're Michael Vick. So listen, listen, I will say this, my madden rating should be like a 50 something. My CFB rating probably going to be like maybe a 99 though, I think. Oh, it's flawless. All right. So it's a big, it's, you know, the weekends here, I'm still getting used to the fact that we'd have a Monday playoff game, but that's a story for another day

So we've all looked at the slate a pretty long time We're not here to give the full like here's our picks because everyone's gonna be doing that I'm looking at these games and I'm trying to figure okay number one What game am I just most excited to watch as a fan? I know obviously my Giants are not in any of this and as a fan. Obviously my Giants are not in any of this and for me I'm curious to hear your I'm really really excited about that about that Steelers Ravens game. I don't think well I don't think the Steelers are going to win. Why? I just think that the Steelers are so boring man. But for me I guess third time. Third time and I think Lamar I think because know, we're not really,

we're not getting the homes. We, you know, he's on a buy Josh Allen, we're going to get, but I don't think he's gonna have too much problems. Dude, the Broncos are pretty good, dude. The Broncos are pretty tough. That defense. So what game are you most excited for then to watch? To watch as a fan, like commanders bucks. Interesting. Honestly, because one, I love

Baker and two, to me, those are just two very exciting offenses. Obviously the Bucks can soar with the way they've been playing, but the Commanders with Jayden Daniels. I think this, I think they squared off week one or week two early on. And Jayden Daniels is a much different player than he was then. So I think that one's just exciting to watch. I think there's going to be a lot of points scored in that one. I don't like charges to Jim Harbaugh first year back. He's in the playoff. Obviously, Vikings Rams is an interesting one Monday Vikings coming off that loss. Now everybody we talked about this, by the way, last week, Sam Darnold. Now everybody's saying he sucks. Literally, everybody is saying like, oh, he told you so. We're like, well, wait a minute, dude.

Like it's one game. He didn't play great, obviously, in that game. But like everyone is now like saying, oh, I told you so. Mike, do the body of work speaks for itself. But the Rams are dangerous. I feel like we've kind of been saying that. It's just like if they get in the playoff, they're dangerous. But I is this not think about this for a

second, because I know you're not a massive college football guy. The playoffs have helped me the playoffs have. Okay. Is this not the greatest week in football history? If you think about it, you have playoff game tonight. Penn State, Notre Dame, you got Ohio State, Texas this weekend, and then you got all of these NFL games, like four straight days or five straight days Thursday. What is Ohio State, Texas? Is that Friday?

I think that's Friday, isn't it? So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, five straight games, five straight days of playoff football. You know me, I love it. You already called me out for being a degenerate gambler, which you're by far not wrong. I also am looking at this slate of which games am I excited to bet on. Yes. So which one are you betting any college football games? Oh, for sure. I'm definitely I got Ohio State

going the whole way. So I'm just going to keep riding that. But for me with the NFL playoffs, I'm going to pick winners and stuff. I love the prop that's and I just look at it like I don't really see anything on that Like I'm excited to watch Steelers Ravens. I'm not excited to bet on that game I would stay away from that the NFC has all and I'm not an unders guy. I don't like betting under I know that's the best bet. It's the smarter bet But I like to root for scoring all the NFC games are the ones I'm gonna be all over cuz even like you said, Vikings, Rams, commander's bucks, Packers, Eagles, which that wasn't, that wasn't an interesting one, dude.

I'm telling you one, I would not be surprised if the Eagles lose that game. Before we move on, what's your, what's your best bet? Like, what are you betting on? What's the best bet this, this week? That's tough. I do in the end, I am going to be, uh, I'm going to have a nice wager on the board, but I'm going to be, I'm going to be. I do in the end, I am going to be I'm going to have a nice wager on the bucks not only with some of their props, but I think the bucks are gonna pull it off. I think that the bills are gonna absolutely wallop the Broncos. So I don't know if I'm

gonna but I might not it's a lot of points to give. So I might just try to figure out a way to do a money line parlay bucks, bills, and I might throw the Steelers in there with the points. Cause I do like that amount of poor, maybe even do an alt line and maybe tease it up a little bit more to like 13, give up some juice there. So, but I tell you like anytime touchdown stuff, which is my favorite favorite.

So great I'm gonna I try to put I try to put a Don't know we don't have oh, yeah, I said I can't bet in the state of Florida right now. So Well, I'll tell you what Nine person to anytime TD score I was put together last night. I was thing up and I like yeah, I'm gonna Stay I'm in a good state for that. So if you ever have any of those I give it to me last night I was juicing this thing up. And I like, yeah. You would bet for me? I'm in a good state.

I'm in a good state for that. So if you ever have any of those, give it to me, I'll get it in. I might, I might. I might look at it later today. It did suck too on the plane ride to the Bahamas. I was on the plane watching Nick's Thunder last week, which was a great game.

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YouTube or listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. So something else we did too, we did a whole episode devoted to cold takes, right? We reviewed the cold takes for 2024. You and I made a few interesting predictions and grades and stuff like that. I think it's only fair if we revisit some of the things we said before the NFL season started. I think that's more than fair, dude. I don't. Yeah. So like, I don't think we were far

off on some of these, but then based on again, now we know what some of these guys did obviously throughout the year. I'm thinking like all season acquisition. We were pretty freaking stupid. We didn't pick a running back. Go ahead. What is so what do we got? And what do we did? We did the first one likely to lose his starting job.

So who do you have? QB most likely to lose his starting job. I went with the obvious choice and the one I actually won was it was Daniel Jones. That was the obvious one. And it happened. You went, do you remember who you went with? Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, he didn't even, yeah, I'm not counting it fully as a loss for you because he sat out the first four games of the year, but fields didn't do enough in those four games to still be.

And then, and then Wilson ended up with 16. I mean, Wilson's played great, really, and got him to a playoff. 16 touchdowns, five picks was in the MVP conversation for a little bit there when before they obviously they got a four game losing streak to end the season. But yeah, Russell Wilson and. All right. This one's not going to be great for you. Team most likely to bounce back from a down year. I had your Arizona Cardinals, which that's a loss,

but I do think there was a moment where the Cardinals were no, no, top the NFC West at one point. You never, you never watched the Cardinals and said, man, that's a playoff team. You never watched that. True. You never watched that. You never, but it was that's a playoff team. You never watched that. True. Never watched that. You never. But it was alive for the first 10 weeks. It was alive and then it died.

They were death. Which they always do. Well, it's not going to be worse than the team. You pick the Jets to have a bounce. That's a big I'm I'm living. I'm just dying on the Hill with the Jets. I had Aaron Rodgers, MVP, Jensen, straight. You ensure. By the way, Aaron Rodgers making the MVP Jets. I had Aaron Rodgers, MVP, Jeff and Shrey. You ensure by the way,

Aaron Rodgers making the MVP Jets making the AFC title game. You were in a Joe L.M.B. Jersey court side at the Knicks all for nothing, dude. So a couple a couple teams that I made notes, the Vikings, obviously seven and 10 last year, finished 14 three with Sam Darnold Chargers were a massive team in the Broncos. I mean, both of those teams, all three of those teams, playoff teams bouncing back from, you know, Chargers are the worst one. Chargers five and 12 and 23. Higher Harbor go 11 and six. I mean, that just shows you how great of a coach that dude is, man. Like everywhere he goes, he wins, which is just bananas.

You know, I often think about this. This is what happens in Hollywood a lot. It, it varies from, okay, there's times where the stars have the power, right? And then there's time, there's been eras where the agents were actually so powerful that it mattered more who the agent was of the clients. And it always goes in circles. I think similarly in sports, you like NBA we had, well it was the big three. Now we're back kind of down to you need two guys and then the bunch of really good role players. NFL quarterback has been king for

so long and still is. I don't think you're ever going to dethrone quarterback from being the most important thing, but has there ever been a more obvious and you've been saying it since we started this podcast. Has there ever been a more obvious? Yes, of course, you have to have a quarterback, but it's kind of pointless if you don't have a coach who knows how to progress. And man, I know it's that most obvious thing in the world, but I feel like this is the first time where coaches have entered into that conversation where you could really turn things around with your coach Isn't it? It's unbelievable man. It you would be shocked and we've all in I think any player any former player

Current player be careful, but would tell you how shockingly bad Coaching is at the highest level right just universally, whether it's some position coaches, not everybody. But I've been around some teams and again, they could say, oh, well, you were like, I just been around. I've been around great coaches. I know what that looks like. And I've been around shitty coaches. I know what that looks like. You would be surprised how many shitty coaches there are at the highest level. And to your point, when you have a Harbaugh or, you know,

obviously like O'Connell, there's a lot of there's a lot of very good coaches in the NFL as well. When you just have guys, man, and they just get it. And it's one of those things. It's hard to explain. Like if you if I compared it to like your world of acting, it's like you just have like you have a director who you just everything he touches, it could be you could have a shitty cast, he could have a shitty script,

somehow some way he's going to turn it into, like, just a hit or something. Yeah, I mean, like, they just have that they have a feel. They know how to control a room. They know how to manage. They know, then they know how to create and do all of these things like the same with a guy like Harbaugh, who's just it's just wild man. You go all the way back to San Diego. You go to Stanford you go to I mean Niners everywhere he's been he's won and It's it's a testament to him and again to your point like and it's your point. I said this kind of funny. I Was on one team

Where it wasn't the coaches and it wasn't the quarterback. It was our frickin kickers who ran our team. Really? Oh, wait, the Oakland Raiders, bro. See bass, Sebastian Genachowski and Shane Leckler, who I was just I was just texting with Shane Leckler the other day because Texas A&M, his former school played SC. Actually, I should text him back because we beat them, but we were texting and he's maybe Hall of Fame punter. Like he's one of those that potentially might get in. When I went there and I remember Carson telling me this

because Carson was the quarterback. I didn't, Carson, the quarterback's the leader, but Carson's like, bro, I've never seen anything, like these kickers run the show here. That's probably never happened before or so. Ever. It's just, I think ever. Like, it was like, and it was just like,

holy hell, like these guys, it's just like, that's Seabass, you don't fuck with him, he kind of runs the team. He's obviously played a long time, that's Leckler, he's a Hall of Fame punter. He's not like your traditional kicker, like a lot of these kickers are kind of runs the team. He's obviously played a long time. That's Leckler. He's a Hall of Fame punter. He's not like your traditional kicker. Like, a lot of these kickers are kind of different cats. Like, Shane was a dude, man.

Those guys were awesome guys. Yeah, man, it was wild. That team was definitely not run by the coaching staff. Tell you what, if Sebastian Yankhatsky was still around, I probably wouldn't have so many tweets eviscerating kickers and how annoyed I am by every kicker in the league. We're going to have him on. Oh, that'd be great.

Oh, dude, I got him in person if we could. I don't know where he is in the world. I'd rather go through the screen. You have to go. He scares me, dude. So some other one. What else? Yeah, teams most likely to disappoint.

We were both wrong on this. You said Packers, which I was with you on that. I did not see the defense being as strong as they are. I think the defense is pretty good. Obviously. I said by the way, which I'm going to defend myself in a minute. Laflore, Laflore, great coach. I mean, that's another I mean, they won the games. Yeah, case of point Malik Willis won some games. Finish 11 and six in the playoffs. So I mean, they won the games. Yeah, case in point Malik Willis won some games,

finished 11 and six in the playoffs. So I mean, yeah, he's a hell of a coach. Let me just- Yeah, the Chiefs. Let me just defend this for a second. I said the Chiefs would disappoint. And if I go back to it, I didn't, I wasn't saying, oh, the Chiefs are gonna miss the playoff. I didn't go full hot take and say the Chiefs

are gonna miss the playoffs. But wouldn't you say if you were either just a Fan or a sports better or whatever? They have been disappointing Not with the record and they're playing a different game. They are only Caring about the Super Bowl, which is a great thing to do. They get which is all that matters. I agree By the way, have you have you seen their offense the last couple weeks? Like outside the last week they sat

their guys? But would you say the Chiefs have been disappointing this year? Just no, not with results, but with the way they've played? No, because I know how hard I know how hard it is to win, man. It's I don't and for them to do it at this. It's like the Patriots, dude. It's like like shit. It's like your Yankees, man. You know how hard it is to win, man. It's and for them to do it at this, it's like the Patriots, dude. It's like like shit. It's like your Yankees, man. You know how hard it is just to win year and a year out. Like things happen. Like injuries happen and attrition happens and scheduling happens and then you run into whatever. Like other teams are getting better. We know like and they still found a way to finish with the one seed like a month's all that. And I guarantee you and we've said this and this is everybody said,

you don't want to see him in the playoff, dude. And they start and they started turning it on a little bit there in the end of the year with the offense, like they're getting healthier. And you got Patty Mahomes. So like, is it a disappointment? No. Like it is so hard to win football games in the NFL. I don't care how good you are. I knew it wasn't by the way. Not close to and all the and all the fans like, dude, you got a one seed locked up and home field advantage throughout the playoff. You're you're fine. Josh Allen has to come to Kansas City. Lamar Jackson has to come to Kansas City where it is

very, very difficult to win in the in the Off season acquisition, most likely to pay off. You were right for like five weeks with Kirk Cousins. You had a run there where it looked, we were talking, I think he was one of our Wendy's saucy players of the week. You had it for a second. I had Stephon Diggs, which that wasn't even. I mean, he also chores ACL too, but. Why didn't we pick Saquon or Derek Henry?

I think we were trying to go with the less obvious, like those were no brainers. I think we were trying to dig a little deeper. Here's one that you had that I was not on board with that worked out really well. Player who's not on your radar now, but will be by the end of the year. I went Hollywood Brown and Nick Chubb. I was trying to go bounce back from injuries. It didn't really happen. You went Khalil Shakir.

Shakir. Third in Yak in the league. Third in Yak. Led the Bills with 76 catches, 800 yards. Again, going back to the whole supporting cast. That's Josh Allen's best player. Shout out to your nephew. But he had a hell of a year.

And I will say this, when I was doing all my fantasy football, shout out to Peter Schrags, Peter Schrager, who's fantastic, good buddy. He was hell bent on Khalil Shakir being like a fantasy breakout star and just having a breakout season, which he did. I mean, he didn't have eye opening numbers,

but he was their best player on the outside. And yeah, so I stand by that. A couple honorable mention guys. Who did you have, by the way? For, well, my breakout player, no, the breakout player. I think I had, well, it was, how did we word it? We word it like a player is not up, not on your radar, but will be by the end of the year. Oh, you had, oh, you already said, you already said, I kind of went like, I was trying to go Hollywood Brown because I thought he would be healthy

and would really shine. Which was a good one. But he just didn't get healthy. Here are a couple, I got a couple, Sam Darnold, obviously, Jamir Gibbs had almost 2,000 yards from scrimmage, Bucky Irving, no one would have thought that, Trey McBride over 110 catches, Brock Bowers, Brian Thomas, Malik neighbors, Jerry Judy.

How about Jerry Judy's bounce back here? I the I not to bring up. Yeah, I drafted Jerry Judy every single year until until this year. I finally cut Bay and then he's like fourth in the league and receptions and yards. And it really the James games just opened everything up for Jerry Judy. Anytime Jamis is in there, he's slinging that rock, dude. Well before we also get coach on, you know, and the season there's there's now six coaching

vacancies and we checked we had we looked around I think the most ever was 10 so we're not close to the record amount of coaching vacancies. And we'll talk to coach wants that about it too. But anything really surprising to you? Not for me, even like the Mayo thing people were I could definitely say that's probably unfair to him, but not necessarily. I just I kind of thought that was just an interesting hire from the get go. You always rooting for former players and it just sometimes some of these hires feel so fast. It's like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.

Like really? Like that's like, so it's not surprising, man. This is the time of the year. It's equivalent to like, like cut day and at the end of training camp, like you just know it's coming. It's going to happen for a lot of these coaches too. Obviously not as big as cut day. Cause there's hundreds of players and all that. But yeah, I don't, I don't think there's any big surprise.

I don't think the Raiders, I don't think any of these teams. I think everyone is trying to chase first for like that young, like, like, you know, the biggest name is going to be Ben Johnson for the Lions. You know, he was one that turned down a job last year to stay, which I think was smart, continues to build his worth, obviously, this year with the offense. And he's going to be, he's going to be the prize get, I think, I think everybody's going to go after him. I think Doug Peterson is a really good football coach. I think that's a shitty ass situation up

there. You can kind of see like, like, actually, Jerry, like this is a really good football coach. I think that's a shitty ass situation up there. You can kind of see like, actually Jerry, like this is a perfect example. We've always talked about like being in alignment, right? From the owner to the GM, to the coach, all of that. Like kind of hearing this week with all those guys talk, like it's a shit show over there, you know? And so like Doug Peterson is gonna get hired by someone too. I think he's a really good football coach.

So that one's not surprising. I think sometimes coaches are better off leaving places and going find somewhere else. I think the biggest surprise is probably that my guy, Coach Dable and Shane are still with the Giants. It's probably the surprises that they're still there and the fan base is certainly not thrilled about it. Are you thrilled?

What do you think? Look, I can't say I know enough to tell you like you could spot a good coach way easier than I could. Right. But for me, I think we've now seen the great year under table where he got so much out of players that with a team that had no real expectation and now we've seen the flip side of that where it's been as bad as it could be. So I do think that how are you supposed to fully judge? All right. We've had, I do think the third year is necessary to tell. I think he deserves that much. As far as Shane goes, again, I don't think if hard knocks happen

and we had that inside. I was about to say that. Yeah, I think it's not hard knocks happen and we had that inside look. I was about to say that. Yeah, I think it did not. It did not paint a good picture. If we don't publicly see that, I don't think there's as much of an uproar that, oh, that guy Shalou. It's the fact that we saw the Saquon stuff and all that, but everything else he did. Yeah, but that's part of it.

That's part of it. You got to be accountable. And I just, it's tough, man. It look at I think when you bank, look at your your head coach, your GM, your tide, your quarterback. I mean, that's what you in the NFL, your tide, your quarterback, if your quarterback plays well, or shows enough, like you're gonna have a job for a long time. It's literally that simple in the NFL. And they've just kind of been flirting with

fire. I think with Danny dimes over the years, like, like you said, they had that playoff gave them all the money, obviously let's say Quan go like, man, it's just so, so I, I, I like it. I gotta be honest. I think Dables a good coach. I think maybe now they have a little bit of a reset. We'll see who they get in the draft. Obviously they don't have the number one pick, so it's going to be interesting. All right. Well, should we do money moments? I think it's time for some money moments because a lot of fun things happen with contracts and stuff. So right now we're going to do money moments presented by our friends over at Cash App, sending, spending,

saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing numbers all with the number one finance app in the app store. That's money. That's Cash App. Lord knows I've been sending a lot of cash down in the bottom. This is not a very inexpensive place. But Matt, we saw all the crazy incentives and met and missed ones this past weekend. Which ones, if any, stuck out to you for a money moment?

I have a few. Yeah. So it was a while. I mean, like. A lot of people see the contracts are fascinating. Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people see the guaranteed money and the and the and the size, the, and the size, right? Like, oh, five years, a hundred million, 60 guarantee, but they don't see all the incentives, which is pretty like there's, I mean, there could be hundreds, like some, some you'll never hit some you'll hit. Um, and this week, I don't remember a week in football where it was like just so publicized and so like everybody was talking about it, like, Oh,

if they hit this or they hit this or they hit that. I think it's awesome as a former player. I mean, you know, like, trust me, players think about that shit. Like, like, like you want your money, even if you're making 15 million a year, you want that extra mill. So the one I think the one awesome one was Mike Evans. And he earned, say, earned what Three million by crossing the thousand yard mark on the final play.

They got him that. Yeah. Then they got him now. So shout out to the block, shout out to Baker, the coach, every like, that was one thing like, but that's also like the record too, what he beat a like Jerry Rice's record of,

what is it? 12 straight, 1000 yard, unbelievable. So for me, to me, that was more about just like seeing a record, like seeing his record. Mike Evans, a great dude, with a 3 million. The biggest one, and I didn't realize this this weekend. How about Gino Smith? I still, is that real?

I still can't believe it. I don't, I don't know. So, and so, so I got, so he needed over 185 passing yards for a 2 million incentive. So he hit that. So that was part of it. But then maybe by reaching career highs and passing yards, completion percentage and 10 wins. So like, think about that in his in his contract was like, if you have a career high and passing yards, a career high and completion centers, and you win 10 games this year, you're gonna get six mil. That's like-

I know, but are you a little mad if you're the owner? Cause you're probably thinking 10 wins. Hell yeah, you're mad. Hell mad you're mad at the owner, but that's why you got a lot of shady owners out there, man. They don't want to see some of these guys hit those. Cooper Rush, Cooper Rush gonna hit that? They sat him.

I don't think he would've hit his bone. I don't know, Trey Lance played 77 plays. I think he had to play 70 or 72 plays to hit it. What I mean though is if you're the Seahawks owner, you're probably doing the 10 win incentive because you think 10 wins gets you into the playoffs. He hit the 10 wins and it's a missed playoff. And he's $6 million.

And he's $6 million lighter. There were a couple I thought like Kyler Murray needed 50 yards rushing and a rushing touchdown for a $750,000 incentive hit. He didn't hit that. So like there's a lot of misses too, but it was wild. It was hard not to go back to my entourage years when I saw the Gino Smith one, because I could hear my character saying, Turtle saying to Vince, like, if Aquaman hits 100 mil, what are we going to get? And I could hear Vince say, oh, if we hit 100 million, y'all getting something sick.

By the way, do we ever find- I'm hoping Gino got the O-line and the receivers something sick. Oh, dude. Oh, that's a, yeah, that's a, that's a yeah, that's like Christmas just came. That's another that's another present. By the way, did we ever find out with Turtle how he made his money? It was the tequila, right? But do we ever really know?

We don't know. We never knew how much he actually made. But one thing we decided on before doing the movie was he definitively has more money than Vince now, which is really all you have to say to make it funny. It could be a hundred mil, it could be 50, 40, whatever. No one knows. He definitely has more money than Vince. And I'm convinced right now, if we ever do the reboot turtles broke now, I think he lost it all. I, I, he might have lost it.

It's like an NFT or something. Is there, is there, is there, is there, so are there, I know there's like, are there incentives in the acting world and like, I know like the best part is like residual checks, right? When your shit plays for years and years and you get that. But like, are there like, if you get a nomination or if you get a certain amount in a box office,

like do you guys get kickbacks for that? Is that in a contract or how does that work? So with television, the incentives that I didn't even know about, I remember Entourage got nine, we just had the Golden Globes this past weekend. Entourage in season one surprisingly got a Golden Globe nomination. I don't think we were expecting to get nominated, especially that early. And I remember my lawyer called me and was basically asking me where I wanted my nomination check to go. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

Well, you know, the show gets nominated, you get this. If you get nominated personally, I'm like, well, how much I'm thinking, all right, was it five grand, 10 grand? This is great. 50 grand for the best comedy nomination. And I think for wins, I don't remember, I obviously didn't win, but Piven won three in years in a row. I think it either might I don't remember, I obviously didn't win, but Piven won three in years in a row. I think it either might be double that or even more.

So you do get in TV, at least we did with HBO, we always got incentives for nominations. With movies, it's all different. The incentives are box office, right? And the two things to decipher between are there's first dollar gross, and then there's sort of backend like net points You have to be a certain kind of actor to get those first dollar points What that means is if the movie makes a dollar you get ten cents or whatever your percentage is, right? Even if a movie only made ten million is considered a failure

You're still getting a percentage of that ten million on the flip side Actors like me maybe would get back end where, hey, once the movie makes all its money back, makes this level profit. I remember with Think Like a Man, the movie I did with Kevin Hart early on, it had all these incentives. It hits 15 million. You get this. If it hits 20 million, you get this.

So I'm getting all these emails. All these incentives start rolling in. So it did very much feel like an NFL contract. The bet the best. So the, so the way the playoffs work in the NFL, which is, so you get, maybe it's more now, but when I was, when we went, you know, Arizona, Houston, so you get like 25 for the first round, 25 K, I think it was. And that's everybody on the team. So that's practice squad too. So it was really cool for those guys

because they're making more in a couple of weeks than they would all year. And then you make it next, it was 50. Then you make it to the conference championship 75. And then you make it to Super Bowl, it's 100. So that's amazing. Super Bowl, you made a 250 grand bonus just by going. And that was everybody.

So everybody got. Feel so good. They everybody, it feels so, so good. So we're, we were like, you cash those checks, baby. Let's go. Um, but so like for, I know before we take a break, like for, cause like, so for acting, cause obviously my wife was an actress and all that. So you can get paid like on a TV show for like entourage, you're getting paid per episode

per episode. Yeah. And then, um, and then you guys obviously can negotiate every year. And then the only way you make incentive that is basically by nominations is kind of for the most part with TV. Like if you see a, an actor like so many now that you see actors or producers, they could get back end points. Like typically when Entrace sells into syndication, right?

That really is for, you know, Doug and Lev and Wahlberg, like three guys who made the show happen. That's how they really get, where we get the money in the episodes, they don't get as much for the episodes. They don't get as much for the episodes. They get more in great success. But yeah, for actors with TV, you don't really the incentives really are just that. But, you know, this whole new Netflix model, if it actually comes to fruition where it's they, you know, they want to do it

performance based. So and really quick, I want to hit some of the funnier contract stuff of all time that stuck out. I don't even know if you could do this in today's generation, but the Eddie Lacey and even Boris Diao had weight clauses left and right, like 100 and fit Glenn baby Davis had weight clauses. I couldn't do that now. Maybe I don't know.

That's real by the way. And if you missed weight, you get fined like you get fined for every pound like thousands of dollars I've seen i've seen players like that my favorite one because this is a hundred percent what I would do Mo harkelis had a five hundred thousand dollar incentive for shooting 35 percent from three Toward the end of the year. He got to 35 percent didn't shoot a three for the last three games Which is a hundred percent what I would do. Hell yeah. I get it. You don't think that dude knew exactly what he was doing. Of course you wouldn't need, I wouldn't even stand outside the three point line.

There's been so many fun ones. And then, uh, you know, this is an incentive thing, but the Bobby Bonilla thing in history is still one of the craziest contract, whatever is of all time. And I think he still gets a million bucks with an 8% interest rate per year. So shout outs to all the players who hit their incentive. Better luck to the players who missed it, but hopefully you hit it next year. Take a quick break. We're going to come back with coach Dave wants that. We are joined now by one of those rare coaches who's beloved by multiple fan bases, the Cowboys,

the Bears, the Dolphins, Pitt, the one and only Dave Wanstead. Coach, thank you for joining the show. You said you're in Chicago, it's five degrees out, so we're going to try and warm things up in here for you. Well, good luck, Matt. Matt'll take it. Oh, Matt'll get it boiling before I'm done. I'm sure.

Coach, I'm in Miami. It's about 65 degrees here. The beach is right outside. I know. I know you're, I know you're, I know you're a pit guy though. I know you're tough. You don't like the beach and the water and shit. I'll be in Naples Friday.

I fly. That's right. All my commitment to all my NBC and bear stuff up here. Uh, and I'll be in Naples Friday. I fly out. That's right. All my commitment to all my NBC and bear stuff up here. And I'll be down there Friday. So I'll I'm looking forward to that. Yep. Coach. Well, we it's good to see you, man.

We appreciate you coming on. We were Jared. I were just talking about just like the NFL coaching, as you know, this time of the year, it's I think we said six six vacancies this year. Yeah. Obviously, you your Chicago Bears. You do a lot of work with the Bears still. Yep, I just a bigger picture question like kind of like an epidemic with coaching.

Obviously, we had a couple first year guys get fired this year. Just kind of the process of what that's like. What are these guys going through? And is there is that a bigger problem you're seeing in the NFL? Well, yeah, it is. But going through? And is there, is that a bigger problem you're seeing in the NFL? Well, yeah, it is. But I think the reason is twofold. One, you've got a younger generation thinking of media from a standpoint of there are so many other outlets now.

Everybody wants to, you know, have a story. Everybody wants to kind of have the shock treatment story of your team to keep their job and keep their interest up. And I think that owners are a little bit younger now for the most part, new guys coming in. Back in the day, it was the old guard, you know, and those guys, you know, used to kind of be a little bit more patient, I think. And the other thing too, I'll be quite honest with you, we, we didn't, when I got my job with the bears, it was kind of an unwritten

roll of thumb that you didn't even get an interview for a head coaching job in the NFL unless you were a coordinator on a playoff team. And the majority of the jobs that went out went to coordinators of Super Bowl teams. And the thinking behind behind this and that's what I'm banging the table on. I do you know two radio shows here in Chicago and I'm saying I want to see a history of a guy and that's why I think those coaches had a little bit better chance. You could see a guy calling players, you could see a guy relating to the players, you could see a guy calling plays. You could see a guy relating to the players. You could see a guy relate to the media over a period of a couple of years.

And I think, you know, now there's guys getting head coaching jobs that haven't even called plays, that haven't been a coordinator. And now you're gonna stand up in front of the entire team and you're gonna start setting a culture and you're gonna start, you know, implementing a foundation. I hope the Bears don't work.

I hope they go for somebody that's two or three years doing his job so we can all know here exactly for the most part what we're getting as a head coach. You know, that word that you said, culture, that's a word, even us as fans here so much. And I know what it means, but for you, someone who's coached at the highest level, what does that word mean to you?

Like when you're going into a situation, they say, Oh, we need someone to change the culture. That's, that's a good thing to say, but how do you actually do it? Yeah, it's, I, it's overused. There's no question about that, Jer. Really you're just setting the foundation. To me, it's on when you're practicing the tempo of the practice, the meetings. Are we going to be on time for meetings?

Are we going to... Off-season program, what's going to be the domain? So you're setting kind of the foundation on how you want to run your program on a day to day basis. And you have to have all your assistant coaches exactly talking the same language every time they walk out of there. And, you know, I get so sick of hearing this. We need leadership here. We need, you know, what I was at the Dolphins,

I only, and even at Pitt, you know, when I was there and had Aaron Darnow and Shady and some of those guys, you know, I had always a group of leaders and I would meet with those guys. And one time I remember specifically, it was Sam Madison, you know, who was a corner for me at the Dolphins. He's coaching at Dolphins now. And, you know, the locker room was a corner for me at the Dolphins. He's coaching at Dolphins now. And the locker room was a mess.

I would always walk through the locker room going to practice. I wanted the players to see me. I was not gonna be hiding upstairs and chill up and then run back up after practice. I wasn't one of those types of guys. So I would walk through it and I called Sam and a couple of guys

and I said, what's this shit? I said, this place looks like a dump down there. And it Sam says, yo coach, I agree with you. I said, we'll do something about it. And Sam went off in the next day in a meeting and just threatened to whip guys, you know, and just went crazy. And that was the end of it. You know, so to me, leadership has, yeah, the coach has to set the foundation,

but your players have to buy in and and be leaders and the great teams You know every national championship team I've coached in three games and Super Bowl's I mean, we've always had leaders that kind of Carried the torch of the culture carried the torch of the foundation So it's you know, the head coach sets it. He's got to reinforce it. But if you don't have your guys behind you, you got no chance.

Coach, I do want to get into Pitt and Shady because you coach obviously some of the great players and had some good years over there. If you're the Bears, because I know you're close to the Bears organization in Chicago, what do you need? What do you need at the Bears? What type of coach do you need? What do you need at the Bears? What type of coach do you need?

Well, we need we need and I'm not going to use the word culture. We just need somebody with a plan, a winning plan. I'm going to say that. And and then the whole thing is with with you need to have somebody that's going to work with the general manager. All right. As far as priorities on the team. We couldn't run the ball last year and I know all those guys up there and supposedly there's a couple assistants

that were banging the table. We gotta use a fullback and we gotta be able to run the football at times. Coach, you're not using a fullback? Come on. Okay. This isn't the 1980s, coach. This is a quarterback talking though. Let me tell you, let me tell you something, Matt. Okay. And I said this to you 10 years

ago and we worked together. The team, the best teams in football right now are what running the football Detroit Philadelphia. That's true. Chargers. Charger. Baltimore. And whether you use a tight end movement, it's a blocker. There we go. We're running out of the shotgun, man. Come on. Okay. 49ers, Kyle Shanahan. What's he know? He doesn't know anything. Right? Why would they keep a fullback? Right? But you know, so your best teams in football right now run the ball. And everybody and somebody's passing gurus, their lights going on.

Oh my God. What happened to Philadelphia? But they were running the ball about 30% of the time when they were getting their ass kicked. And now they're running the ball almost 60% of the time. Oh my God, we're winning games. I mean, it's not a secret Detroit beat Minnesota because they ran the football. Isn't it funny how like the game, I mean, Coach Unite Minnesota because they ran the football. Isn't it? Isn't it funny how like the game? I mean, I coach you night joke about this all the time. And I was telling Jerry about like, you're obviously old school, but defense still wins championships, line of scrimmage still wins championships, even at the college level,

even though the offenses and all the RPO and it's all spread out. And that's, that's the game. Now you still, if you run the football and you win the line of scrimmage, you're going to win a Super Bowl or you're going to win a national championship. It never goes away. So I agree. You throw the ball to score points, you run the ball to win games. You know, I probably said that 15 times over my 89 years at Fox. But nobody listened. But I

know I agree with you, you know, and that's when going back to the Bears, what Jerry said, you know, Caleb Williams, okay, we, we, we built this thing kind of backwards, you know, we go out and sign Kenan Allen and we draft the doomsday. I was banging the table. There was a center from Oregon that I love and a center from West Virginia, Frazier, that went to the skewers. They're both starting and they'll be all pros for 10 years. And I said, we need an offensive. We need an Olin Krutz on this team. We got to get with that knife pick.

I want to take an offensive lineman. We didn't, we took, you know, this kid who's hopefully be a good player from Harvard, okay. Now you know my junior. Roma Dunze, you see he went to Washington. Yeah, no, no, no. I said I wanted to draft an offensive line. Of course, of course, you

did. But by the way, Jim Harbaugh, everyone gave the charge of **** for drafted Joe Alt. They should have drafted Malik neighbors and look at all these are freaking all pro already at left tackle. So exactly. Yeah. So yeah, so it's, yeah. And I'm the wrong guy.

And I say this all the time up here on these shows that I do. I said, I'm the wrong, I mean, because I probably, I got fired for running Ricky Williams 356 times, you know, the longest game in pit history. Notre Dame and the longest game in Notre Dame history, I'm going to give you a little truth, was when Pitt, we played them up there in South Bend. It was so long, and it was like the fourth overtime, that the sprinklers came on because

they were on a timer during the game. True. They turn the sprinklers up, and we get get the ball and our quarterback was a freshman and he throws a ball, it bounces off of defensive backs and same thing. And I said to Matt Cavanaugh, Matt, that's it, man. Shady. No one gets the ball except Shady. Was that Palko? No, Palko had graduated, but I'd have done the same damn thing with Pelco. Trust me on that. And he knows it.

He knows it. And my man, Tyler. So the point was, yeah, I had a short fuse, but I, and by the way, we call 36 Power. Same thing. We need about three yards to kick a game-winning field goal with South Bend. And we call 36 Power, which was our best running play and I call a timeout and Shady comes over I said hey Shady we got to run that thing you know we're gonna block down we're gonna poke it you got to run that thing up in that b gap as hard as you can

and get us three yards can you do that yes coach I. Okay, they know what's coming. We're coming Shady takes two steps He starts running to the sideline He didn't want inside coach. Come on. He he takes it outside their safety comes up. I forget his name He was a fourth-round pick Shady gives him a move rides it down to the 15. We kicked the field We'll win the game afterwards. I call him. I said Sh Shady, come here, my man. I says, why did you not, why did you run outside on 36 par and he says, because nobody was there coach. He was good answer. Unless I learned a lesson that day.

Yep. Coach players coach speaking of Shady, can you, can you, what was it like coaching him, recruiting him? I know you got some good stories. Yeah. That's where I was going next to coach. Yeah. Well, once you can you what was it like coaching him recruiting him? I know you got some good stories. Yeah, that's where I was going next to coach. Yeah. Well, once you once you can tell, once you can tell. Once I can tell. OK. Next subject.

Shady was NIL before NIL was NIL. No, no. I will say this. the championship, but we're in it again this year in Pennsylvania. Private school, kind of one of those St. Thomas Aquinas, I don't know what it would be in LA, but anyway. So I have him and about four of his teammates down to my summer camp, and I'm introducing him and he's standing in the back, and here's this guy, and I know who he is obviously, and he's standing there and he's got a hat on sideways and he's got sunglasses you know the gold chain and I said what's your name young man and he says they call me Shady I said I know who the hell you are you know and they so but then he told me up front he says coach

I'm not gonna visit Pitt I'm gonna visit USC coach I hope by the way I hosted him on his recruiting trip yeah I wasn't I wasn't paying him like you were paying him though. Yeah, no, no. Well, he he knows. So what happens is he doesn't even visit Penn State. Yeah. You know, and we're he's from Harrisburg. Harrisburg's an hour and hour from State College. And it's it's farther from Pittsburgh by two hours, two and a half.

So long story short, I still continued the recruiting process because we signed a couple of guys from their team. So every time I'd go by the school, I'd see him, bye bye bye, go to games, see his mom, see his dad, brother, okay. So now don't you know, I get a call from the coach, he breaks his leg. And his mother calls me and says, coach, he's not, he's not going to school. He's not going to school anymore classes. He's not, he's gonna flunk out or whatever. So I was, I said, I'll go by and talk to him. So I went by and he was laying in the nurses office.

You can tell him this if you see him out there, he had the shoe pulled up over his face. Okay. I said, what are you doing? And he says, yeah, coach, I can't play anymore. Got a broken leg, I'm done. Pete Carroll, I can't go to USC. He was gonna go, Matt did a fabulous job recruiting him.

He told me, he said, but now I'm out. So long story short, I end up taking him under my wing and we get everything. We get the leg worked out. We get school worked out and the rest is history. Yeah. The rest is history. We'll leave it at that.

Something I love to, you really have coached some of the more interesting players, I think in the history of football, just to throw three at you, Ricky Williams, who we talked about a little earlier, Charles Haley, you coach Charles Haley, right? Jim Harbaugh. So first with Harbaugh, was that someone you coached that you thought, Oh, this guy would make a good coach one day. Or was that not even, was he always as strange as you coached is a different cat. I thought that Jim was going to be a linebacker.

OK, that was my problem. He's tough as nails, man. Oh, God. Tough and competitive. And my first year at the Bears, we took. Well, I was just we're talking to Tommy Water the other day. Tommy Water was a receiver we had here, you know, from Boston College. Played a long time in the league. Well, he was the only veteran and I had Ryan wet night, a free agent tight end from Stanford, carry OB, a free agent

slot receiver from Oregon. Uh, I, Carter's Conway was my first pick at a draft SCC way. So, so, and then, then waddle who was like, he was a mummy. He used all the tape that we had in the training room. And we were seven and five, seven and five, my first year guys. And we are battling and we can't throw the ball. It's a blizzard out, it's one of those deals. And Jim comes over and he screams, he's screaming coach, no one's getting open. And I said, I know I'm watching the game. What do you want me to do?

You know, and, and, and, uh, but that, but then when he got the Michigan job and I really hadn't, and then Jim left after that year, his contract was up. He left, uh, we signed Eric Kramer and, uh, he, uh, and I saw, I didn't have much contact with him and then when he takes the Michigan job Michigan job matter remember their first game was against Utah in Utah. Yep. And, and John into was our vice president then at Fox or president on what John's title was he called me and says we're doing this Michigan game and Jim refuses to do interviews. interviews. He says, we're trying to get calling tower to going out with he says the only guy he said he talked to is you. Wow. I said, okay. So I so I fly up there. I fly up to Ann Arbor. And I had a heck of a story. This is the strangeness. And we and you know, and then then after that, Jim and I would

talk up until we took the job with the Chargers. In fact, even after he took the job, him and I would stay in touch, Texas and so forth. We still do love Jim. But he so I'm going to tell this story that when I was at USC, I coached at USC, I don't know if Matt, we probably don't want me being associated with that. I did coach SC and we took our defensive staff into Michigan to visit them in the spring and talk with their defensive coaches. And back then, coaches, that's the only way, I don't know how these guys get any better.

They sit in their office and nobody talks to anybody and they just, you know, so we went out there to watch how they practice and what can we learn and exchange ideas. That's kind of how you did it back then. So I'm watching practice. Jim's the quarterback. Beau Schenweger is the head coach and Jim throws the first pass and it's three feet over the guy's head. Throws the next pass and like behind him, you know. Next one he throws it bounces off somebody, a defense slaps it down. Bow blows the whistle. I've never seen this in my life. And he screamed, if we can't throw the ball any better than that, give me the football with no arrow.

And the manager opens up this chest, Jer, I'm being serious now, he opens up a chest like it's not the first time he heard it. And he pulls a football out to deflate it. Never been pumped out. The first deflate gate. Right. And he starts running onto the field and and Coach Schumbacher says, put the ball down. Let's go full speed. Well, obviously they can't throw it.

So the defense is like, you know, 15 guys at the line of scrimmage and they hand it off and it's just bye-bye. With it to flick, that's amazing. Wait wait wait wait and then he both says okay bring the football out bring the one with air up and he puts it down and he says now if we can't throw the ball any better than we did then we're coming back to the other one. So Jim goes it so I'm telling this exact story I'm telling you guys to Jim on the air. Fucked. I'm thinking this is going to be a great story. I'm going to break the ice. We're going to laugh. And he looks at me and says, coach, that is an unbelievable. That's a great story. I says, there ain't a story. You would have called him back.

He doesn't remember any of it. And he kind of looks and says, Yeah, it was, wasn't it? You know, but I mean, that's typical Jim. Yeah. So that never made the error. But I was so excited that I had a great funny story to break the ice with, you know, on an interview with Jim, his first time and it didn't, it didn't work. Didn't work. Coach, I think you told me we got a couple minutes I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm

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sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm we had a Super Bowl reunion a few years ago, and we're good. Yeah, you guys are good. No, I know that, yeah. Yeah, but now, so we would, at the end of training camp every year, Jimmy and myself, and at that time it was North Carter, we would get together and have some drinks, and we would just say, okay, where are we at?

What do we gotta do moving forward here? Camp's over with. And so we're talking offense, we gotta just saying, okay, where are we at? You know, what do we gotta do moving forward here? Camp's over with. And so, you know, we're talking offense, we gotta do this, and then defensively, I said, Jimmy, you know, we, and we had some good guys up front. I mean, we had Jim Jeff code, you know, but I said, we, I said, we don't,

it's hard to get to the passers, Jimmy. It's hard. We could use another pass rusher. He says, oh boy, you know, you have money and this and that. So, well, my two days later, he comes in and he says, hey, you know who just did some crazy stuff out of San Francisco? Was this Charles Haley.

I may be able to do a deal with that thing. I said, well, he'd help us. So, four hours later, Jimmy comes in and says, well, Charles is coming. Now keep in mind, we're opening up that week, Sunday night, ESPN, against the Washington Redskins at that time, who had just won the Super Bowl. We're going to open up against them. And Jimmy said, I can get, we can get Charles in here tomorrow.

And he says, you think you can get him ready to play? You know, and this was Tuesday before the game. Yeah. I said, get them in here. We'll get them ready to play. But Charles shows up, give them the playbook. And you know, defensive lineman always sat in the back row of our defensive meeting room. So I'm up there. And back then, it wasn't all just the screens now. And you know, all the stuff I mean, you you wrote the game plan. I did anyway. So I would write it on the board, explain what we were going to do.

Players were taking notes and it was it was kind of like the old fashioned classroom stuff. That's lived it. Yep. So I'm putting in the game plan for Washington. And I hear this laughing and horsing around, I turn around and Charles is sitting between the best kid we got on a theme, Chad Henning. He was out of the Air Force, right? But the cowboys drafted him back then, but he had to do his four years spent with the military because he was coming out of the Air Force Academy. So he was over there doing fighter jets, but he was bigger than me.

He was a monster. And we used to laugh about how he fit in those jets. But so now he's back with us. And the guy's like a monster. He's 300 and some pounds, no fat. Discipline, you talking about culture shudder. There's your culture. So Charles, and I said, say Charles.

We don't do that stuff here. Cut it out. Turn around. Because I know Chad's writing down every word word Chad's like this. You're looking at the board and Charles I don't know if he's open his notebook yet. Probably not but So I turn around I started adding to the board Same damn thing starts so I turn around I says hey Charles and now I kind of go off on him You know this at boom boom cousin bullshit, ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. Silence meeting ends.

I'm cleaning the board off. Everybody's leaving. All of a sudden the door closes. I turn around. Everybody's gone except Charles. Charles said I'm six four and Charles Haley's taller than I am. Legit six five. He gets this far from my face and he says, coach, I'm just going to tell you, you are

lucky that I've matured or I'd kick the shit out of you right now. And I says, Charles, I'm so happy you've matured too and we got to be on the field in 10 minutes. Let's go. Well, here's the punch line. Jimmy is so excited that he got this Charles Haley done. He's standing outside the door like a little kid at Christmas, right? Going to open his present. The door opens, Charles goes kind of flying by Jimmy and I come walking out and Jimmy says, how'd it go with Charles. I said, fantastic.

And I just kept walking. And not until we were long gone years after that I ever tell the story. But I think he, and he threatened me in the NFC championship game. Now, now I take that because- On the sidelines? No, no, no, we were playing San Francisco up there.

It had nothing to do with me. And we had another guy on a team that was a little on the edge. Tony Casillas. Yeah. And Tony was like my son. I recruited him. I stated his house, trying to get him to come to Oklahoma State. He went to, Oh, you were Swetford. You can tell Swetford that story too. I was asleep. I was sleeping in his house. It still didn't work. Tell Barry that. And so now he gets, he's got some problems in Atlanta. He was the first pick of the draft. OK, and he's got he's got problems.

So we'll take him and we will take him. We we bring him in at halftime and George Seifert. They were running 36 power. And I swear it was one of those rainy, muddy, gray, clay days, you know, in San Francisco, old candlestick. And we come in at half time. And Jim Jeffcoat was our one starting thing. And his uniform looked like this white tablet.

And here comes Charles, and he walks in and he is covered from mud from head to toe and they are running every power play because we used to on block down we would wreck it with the defensive end and chicken through the perimeter and run it down that's how we played he is a mess and he comes in and we got you know 12 minutes at a half time this is go to He is a mess. And he comes in and we got 12 minutes and a half time. This is go to the Super Bowl. And he gets this close from me again and says, coach, they are killing me out there.

And it's just see for them. They want to run every play at Haley, you know, to give back at him for whatever, you know, what we'll teach you. And I says, Charles, I don't know what the, you know, so him back at him for whatever, you know, we'll, we'll teach you. And I says, Charles, I don't know what the, you know, so him and I start getting into when I got stuff, but I got to go over. So I tell Tony, you can see us talk to him, get him. So Tony grabs him and they start wrestling and they kind of work their way to the back of the thing. And they're

wrestling around her screaming. I'm on the board. I swear half time of the conference championship game. I love it. And by the time Jimmy, the head coach yells, everybody up two minutes, they finally come up. Neither one of those guys heard a damn word I said. We go out and win the Super Bowl. So Charles, but we wouldn't have won it without Charles.

He's telling you right now, what, what was the difference in our, we ended up with the number one defense in the NFL and most categories and, uh, wouldn't have done it without him. Coach, is there a game this coming weekend that you're looking forward to? Or do you have a good feel for these playoff games? Matt and I were talking about it earlier before we let you go. It's like there's some really good matchups, but also it could, some of these games could go truly either way. I remember in the playoffs, like you had these dominant, the Cowboys, the Niners just

knew what you could expect. And this week to me, this weekend is going to be pretty wild. I know, I like you with the running teams is kind of was my thoughts earlier. You know, the team that I want to see and I like to see if they respond the Houston Texans. I mean, I'm you know, they've been disappointed. Did they win their division? Yes. Do they have you know, I mean, you can they had a people would be happy to win. Sure, of course. But CJ Stroud didn't have the same type of year. I think their defense has and they they added one of my favorite backs, Joe Mixon.

Yeah, your boy. We were talking, Joe Mixon. Hey, Jerry, I used to say, I said, why do you like him? I said me and Frank Thomas used to bet because Frank and I would fly out together when he was doing a baseball Yeah, I see Frank it Frank still does some shows here with I see him in in Chicago here And he was always saying P Ryan's the guy said P Ryan when P Ryan, he's a great player still playing I said, but when he gets the ball does he make me get out of your chair and

Frank said I said when Joe mix and gets that ball coach. Okay. Can you get not you've been right. Yeah, you have ever all the Oklahoma days. You love running backs. So that may add him to the mix out there at Houston. And I'm anxious to see if they can come alive. And if CJ Strout, Matt, you would know more than anybody about the quarterback because he hasn't had a great year. Can he just turn that switch on and get back to where he was last year?

Cause if he can, their defense is good enough to make a serious run here. But I don't know. I'm going to add that to one. I'm keeping an eye on. I was telling Jerry it's, it's really hard as you know, to turn a switch on. Like when you have a year like that, all of a sudden, especially when they lost some receivers and Nico Collins is there, but we'll see. Coach honestly man I missed hearing your stories. I was telling Jerry all week I said coach is the best he's one of my favorite human beings. I want

to say this right now I would love to have you on every once in a while just to tell stories because we're here we do this every every week of the year coach and I know you might get a little bored there in the off season. So we want to have you back on to tell some stories. I'll come to Naples. I'll play some golf with you and we'll tell some stories. It'll be great. I, uh, the other college game too, real quick, Notre Dame, Penn state, I'm taking Penn state, but it's going to be tough. And that's a tough, that's a tough call, but I can't, Jared, Matt, I do a TV show with the big 10 network every week So I'm I'm is up on the college stuff here coach Do you like you like Ohio State to win it all I do yeah, I do

I do I you know when they got over that Michigan game. I'm so sick of the SEC and here and all that stuff I know it I really am. You know, when they, when they just dominated Tennessee and sent them home, you know, to me that, that as a message, Brian, they Brian, they get a great job because I wasn't sure how they were going to respond after that Michigan law. So you got really wise. So you got Penn State, Ohio State in the championship with the with the house state winning it all big 10.

I love it, buddy. Yeah. I get, give my best to Jan, please. Appreciate you coming on buddy. We'll talk to you soon. Okay. All right. Sounds good.

Jerry. Good talking about good talking to you too. All right. Now it's time for dynamic duo is presented by Wendy's two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's terms apply. So we're doing something fun now here. Each week at Throwbacks, we're going to pick a category and Matt and I are going to name our all-time favorite duo pertaining to that category. For instance, if it was NBA duo, I doubt any of us would say Stockton and Malone, but that

would maybe be in there some way. You would do John Starks and Patrick Ewing. Exactly. in there some you would you would do john starks and patrick ewing exactly for exactly so this week in honor of the golden globes we are going to do our dream hosting duos so this won't be some a duo you've seen before we're making this duo up brand new so matt if you were going to attend an award show and you're getting honored this weekend what's a hosting duo say for the Golden Globes you would love to see? Okay, so what Gold Globes what TV? Yeah, well, it's everything movies TV. That's that one too.

That's a drinking party. That's a show. Dude, this was actually a lot of fun because I just like obviously this is not you know, this is more your lane. So I have I'm just gonna throw a couple I want to get your reaction to a couple of guys. Okay. This one is just more for shock value. Okay. Will Smith and Chris Rock. Don't you kind of want to, don't you kind of want to see, like, see what would happen again? Like it's already been played out, but that would be a huge ratings boost for all award shows. That is a great first. So, so, so, okay. But my favorite, my favorite one, and this is arguably my favorite movie of all

time is wedding crashers. So I want to, I want to bring Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson back. And I want that to do, I know. And, and, and maybe Bradley Cooper makes a cameo from the crowd, right? So you have all three in that. And then that was like Bradley Cooper's kind of send off, right? Wasn't it? Yeah, for sure. That's where he burst onto the scene. Yeah. He kind of burst on the scene. Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson, doing some type of like bit in the monologue to open up about like weddings. Wouldn't that be freaking hilarious?

Amazing. Yeah. I like that. That would be my, yeah. That would be my number one would be Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson. I just like there's a million dude like duos that would be cool, but that's my all time favorite movie. So I really tried to think if I was going to attend say the Golden Globes, which I've had the pleasure of going to. So first guy I'm going to bring up, he's never hosted the Golden Globe Awards. He's hosted some things, but we just saw his Netflix special.

To me, this man would be the greatest host for any award show because of his talents, Jamie Foxx. Yeah, he's a beast. Jamie Foxx does comedy, he's an Oscar-winning actor, and does unbelievable impressions, and musically, he's unbelievable. Yeah. That's the perfect host. So he's in like my anchor chair almost. He's the guy in there, but.

Who you bringing with him. Yeah. You know who's going to come in and eat up some innings just to fuck shit up. We're bringing back Ricky Gervais. We all know Ricky Gervais is opening monologue. We see it on Twitter and on Instagram. It's shocking. Lots of pearl clutching going on in the audience. So Jamie Foxx is going to lead us through for the entertainment. But then when we want to really hit the casuals who maybe wouldn't watch the award show Ricky, they'll show up for Ricky Gervais. It's Ricky Gervais coming in like full just guns blazing like he did last row and he just the Hollywood elite just cringing in there in

their seats all time dude that that that was I don't really watch the Golden Globes a lot I actually watched them this past week a little bit. Nikki Glaser did great too. She was awesome as a whole. Yeah. And and Shalomeh right our boy our boy Shalomeh Shalomeh. Yeah, he's we got to get hit. Let's reach for the stars. Oh, we're getting him on. He's a sports fan. Jamie Foxx is great. His special was great. Glad he's healthy again was unbelievable. That'd be a fun duo. You're right. Yeah, fun to and go watch

his special if you haven't already. Trust me. You'll laugh, you'll cry for sure. It's very emotional. And he put his whole heart into it. All right. He really did. Time for throwback three. The NFL playoffs is upon us. We're going to look at some of our, our throwback three of just NFL playoff runs. And whatever that means to you could be upset driven. It could be just favorite driven. It could be player driven NFL playoff runs. Matt, would you like to start first with your throwback three? Yeah. So my my third I'm actually a little disappointed in this one, but you're going to be happy. Eli Manny 2011 Giants. Okay. Yeah, to the I

wanted your reaction. I wanted to see you. I didn't know which year you were going. But I had to imagine one was being there. Basically, quickly be Falcons Packers Niners and then Super Bowl against Tom. Not a little trivia question for you. Because when I was I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that. I'm not going to go into that.

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Can you name the other two? Well, definitely your Arizona, you said reach the Super Bowl, your Arizona Cardinals. And I wanna say a team that I'm gonna start off with as my number three, and I'm guessing here. So I'm previewing my, the 2001 Pats? No? They won 10 games?

79 Rams. Yeah, old school. But obviously like that was, I think it was. 79 Rams. Yeah, old school. 79 Rams. But obviously, I think it was kind of Victor Cruz's kind of coming out party that year. Victor Cruz, for sure. It was Ahmad Bradshaw in the backfield, Derek Ward, the defense with Justin Tuck. And oh, yes, yes.

Strahan had just retired, I think, the year before. So Tuck was like, it was just like one of those years where I don't think anybody really thought they were gonna be that good. And then they ended up going on a run at nine and seven. So that's- Let me ask before I give you my number three, the polarizing thing quickly,

but Eli, Eli is a hall of famer to you, right? First ballot. Okay, I know, but to you for your money. Yes. There's not an argument against him. In my opinion, being in the Hall of Fame. I love argue. That was one of my favorite Twitter arguments

back in the day. That's gonna be gone now soon, but yes. Okay. So yeah, my number three was the 2001 Pats in the basically the entrance into the greatest quarterback of all time. That was a run just week by week, grinding out those games all go

and then going against the greatest show on turf. So 2001 pass easily could be number one here, but that is a run because no one thought a Tom Brady led pats was going to win a Superbowl that year. So that's my number one. And started maybe the greatest dynasty in the history of sport, if you if you think about it. All right, number two. Kind of a no brainer Nick Foles, Philly Eagles. Absolutely. I know Andrew's pumped. 2017 just a little bit of numbers average 324 yards per game. I got my notes, six touchdowns,

one interception. They ran through Atlanta, Minnesota. Uh, and then obviously the Patriots in the super bowl, he beat Tom Brady. Not a lot of people have beaten Tom Brady and the super bowl. Um, Carson Wentz goes down toward the end of the year. I think it was week 14 or 15 and Foles comes in and just like they don't miss a step man and he takes it. And then obviously the Philly special, which was the incredible where he catches the touchdown.

And again, this is my other trivia question. Got some good stuff. I'm just turning this into trivia. I love this is great. Three quarterbacks to catch a reception in the Superbowl. Only three. He's obviously one of them. Can you name the other two?

Oh man. That's a... They came before him So he was the third quarterback to catch a ball in the super bowl not a touchdown just a reception these other two Yeah, I mean you'll just take a wild guess. I don't have I was there there. They're both hall of famers Not big ben, right? No, okay. I give up tapping out. Jim Kelly and John Elway.

I gotta be honest, I don't know the game. I was just popped up. But shout out to Nick Foles, Eagles that year. Foles had a great career, man. I remember him coming out of Arizona. I think it was. But Eagles, Rams, Chiefs, went back to the Eagles for that Super Bowl run,

Jags, Bears, Colts played for a lot of teams. Now he's like a professional pickle baller, which I'm jealous of because he's a stud, but what a great run, man. That was incredible. Anytime a backup quarterback leads to a Super Bowl win, it's gotta go down as one of the greatest runs ever. So my number two, okay, this is my list. Okay, so you could, you can insult it as much as

you want. I'm just giving you one in recent memory that stood out. It did not result in the Superbowl. But to me, as far as there was a team making a run, it didn't fully get to the Superbowl. But do you remember the variable Titans run on the road, beating Brady and the Pats? Yeah. Yeah. Then going into, I think it's 10, then going into Baltimore as like we're seeing this week, Baltimore is almost a 10 point favorite verse. They went into Baltimore, 10 point underdogs and beat the shit out of Lamar and the raving. That was the one where I think Ravel said, if we win this game, I'll cut my off and eat it. Something like that.

He said to the players, he said something ridiculous like that. I know it's a weird one for number two. There's another one I would have put in, but I'm leaving it for you. I think you're gonna say it. Maybe you won't, I don't know. But that one just stuck out to me in recent memory.

And I didn't want to make this all giants. I didn't want to go 1990 giants on you. The greatest day of my life when, uh, was when the giants be well that when they beat the Niners in the NFC championship game with that map bar field goal, my uncle and I were so excited. He took me right. This is the greatest 10 year old day.

Giants win the game to go to the Super Bowl and then my uncle takes me to the movie theater to see Home Alone. That all happened in one day for me. What a fucking day. That was a day. But I don't wanna make this giant story for you. You just talked about Home Alone.

You made a dick joke and the Titans and Ravel all in one second. It's a wild show today. Good for you, buddy. All right, number one. No, you're not gonna. Number one. This This is when you look at this, it's obvious. But actually, after talking to coach wants that I'm going with the 1985 Chicago Bears. Okay. Let me give you a little history lesson here. Jerry Ferraro. Okay. Coach, coach, my Mike Ditka, right? 15 one record. The only loss came to the dolphins that year. The defense was led by who?

The Singletary and Oh, but Buddy Ryan, Oh, the coordinator. Yeah, which then the 46 defense, which is the bear defense was sort of creating shanise, right? And that's when we play Madden, you see the 46, the bear defense for everybody listening is when the no when the center and both guards are covered That is the bare defense and then it allows other guys on the outside

So when the center and both guards are covered that is when you get a bare defense or the 46 defense back then They gave up 12 points per game. They had 54 takeaways That year, okay But here's the greatest playoff run of all time for defense in three playoff games They gave up ten points They beat the Giants 21 nothing the divisional round they beat the Rams 24 nothing and then they beat the Patriots 46 to 10 in the Super Bowl the greatest arguably the greatest team to ever do it yeah the

1985 Bears with the playoff run of all time. Okay, I'll shut up now. Who you got? Who's number one? But really quick, I know you didn't win the Superbowl, but you lived, you played through a run. Like you just didn't want to, was that, you didn't want to be selfish and say the 2008 Cardinals?

Well, by the way, the 2000- That's an amazing run. Amazing run. And Larry Fitzgerald had an incredible run that for. So I think Fitz averaged like 150 yards receiving a game that run. He was incredible, had the big Super Bowl. We went in. I told this story before. Real quickly that year, we were I think we finished eight and eight or nine and seven.

We were terrible. But we won our division. We played Philly on Thanksgiving, we got our ass kicked. We played New England in late November in a blizzard against Matt Castle. And Randy and Wes Walker, we lost like by 35. We limped into the playoff. And then we made the run and I and i would set this set this run up i think we played atlanta um or green bay one and then we ended up carolina was the number one seed or the number two seed we beat carolina that year in carolina they did not scare us and we're like dude we're gonna beat them i think we'd be i think we we beat them is that delome that was jake

right it was jake delome and, we handled them up in Carolina. And then the way it worked out is Philly made the run as a wild card. So we ended, we ended up hosting an NFC championship game at nine and seven or whatever, nine and seven against McNabb and the Eagles who are really good. They were on their run and we beat them in the NFC title game. And then we ended up playing Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. And honestly, we should have won if. Should have won.

Yeah. Anyway. Oh yeah. It was a great run. It was a great run. I left that one for you because that easily. That's why that would have been my number two. Uh, I don't have good memories with the Cardinals.

It's just, it's the Oh seven giants. I feel like you probably left that one for me. You did do 2011. I appreciate that. But, and what made that run so special, of course, was beating the Patriots in the Superbowl. But then that final week game, the thing that stood out was this whole play starters don't play starters. Giants could not improve upon their seed that year. They were locked in at whatever it was, six seed, whatever it was, five seed, but the Pats were going for undefeated. So Coughlin had that choice.

Should I just rest my starters or should I play them and try and take out this undefeated season? And he played all his starters and it was a great game. The Giants, it was like, it's like a Moss 50 yard touchdown that iced it, but that was a game. What's it? That's what the giants learned. Was that that Mario Manningham catch down the side? Yes. No, no, no, no. That was in the playoff run. That was a super bowl.

That was a playoff run, which to me, that's the most underrated throw. Cause that thing is in an only spot that only Manningham could have caught it. So that propelled the giants. But the thing that always stood out to that run was it was all on the road. They just were on the road in that game against Green Bay

when I think it was Tines misses like four field goals. I could have ended the game. And then it's just the best. It's the best run. Sorry to do it. And if you have better ones out there. It really is a great, by the way, it's a great run. You're absolutely right.

Easily. And you give it to Eli, but it's hard to give it to just Eli because that team had so many things going on. Somehow, some way, our fucking New York Giants find their way. I just don't like, I will replace my variable Titans trying to be cool pick with the 2008 Cardinals. I thought you were going to take it. I left it for you. No, I had it. It was in my honorable mention, but it was like, yeah, you know, I should have,

I should have not had it. And hitting incentives the honorable mention, but it was like, yeah, you know, I should have. I should have not had the and hitting incentives the whole way, right? Each round, getting them checks. We all made a couple hundred G's that year and a and sold my Super Bowl tickets. Shout out. I won't say to who, but I made a good amount of money on my Super Bowl tickets. One day I'll get that out of you who you sold that to. Listen, enjoy the playoffs everybody. Enjoy college and NFL playoffs. And again, thoughts to everybody out there in LA, please stay safe and yeah, everyone be safe out there.