Tiger Sisters - Engineering a Remarkable Life Part 2: Choosing Love, Work, and the People Who Shape Your Life | Lessons from Joel Peterson

Episode Date: August 10, 2026

Check out our matcha brand, Sisters Matcha at ⁠https://www.sistersmatcha.com⁠ Sign up for our newsletter here: https://tigersisters.substack.com/ You know who you are. Now what kind of life are you going to build? We continue exploring one of the most transformative courses Cherie took at Stanford’s GSB by the late and great Professor Joel Peterson. This is Part 2 of Cherie's Masterclass on Engineering a Remarkable Life. In this episode, we dive into the final two pillars of Joel's framework: Someone to Love and Work to Do.Tune in for lessons on: ✅ How to intentionally build stronger relationships ✅ The "Operationalizing Love" framework for turning good intentions into lasting habits✅ How to identify your life partner via must-haves vs.nice-to-haves✅ Building meaningful work beyond a paycheck and surviving vs. thriving✅ Why "rain will fall on your fields" and how to prepare for the difficult seasons of lifeFrom choosing a life partner to finding meaningful work, these are the questions that shape the course of a lifetime. We hope these lessons inspire you to approach life with more intention, purpose, and agency.Timestamps:00:00: Cold Open 01:50: Recap: The Three Pillars of a Remarkable Life02:08: The next two pillars and what to expect 03:20: Second Pillar: Someone To Love03:30: The Harvard case study on what makes us happy in life 05:05: How choosing a life partner affects your entire life10:21: The “Operationalizing Love” framework11:40: Mini Exercise: Operationalizing Love13:30: Cherie’s example on operationalizing love 19:30: Mini Exercise: Must-Have’s vs Nice-to-Haves22:30: Third Pillar: The Work to Do24:46: Empowering others to find meaning in work25:20: Surviving vs. Thriving 27:45: Rain will fall on your fields 29:30: Memorizing meaningful passages for resilience32:33: Final reflections and Joel Peterson’s legacy34:00: Closing thoughts🐯👯‍♀️ We’re the Tiger Sisters — your Wall Street & Silicon Valley big sisters Decoding Money • Power • Love✨ New episodes every Monday | Shorts all week ✨💌 Want to partner with us? Sponsorships: [e-mail] trust us?▫️ Cherie Brooke Luo — 100M+ views demystifying tech, finance & MBAs▫️ Jean Luo — ex-Goldman Sachs, ex-Snapchat exec, 50+ AI patents, startup investor▫️ Together: 4 Ivy League degrees • built billion-dollar products • two startups — decoded for youWhat you’ll get (and keep):▫️ 🚀 Ivy League cheat sheets — no $250K tuition▫️ Personal finance playbooks (salary, investing, negotiation)▫️ Networking scripts behind $100M+ deals & job offers▫️ Real conversations with CEOs, operators & investors▫️ Mindset resets — clarity without the pricey coach▫️ Systems for career, money, and long-term growth💛 LET’S CONNECT~ CHERIE ~Instagram — /cherie.brookeTikTok — /cherie.brookeSubstack — cherieluo.substack.comLinkedIn — /cherie-luo~ JEAN ~Instagram — /jeanluo_LinkedIn — /jeanluo👉 Hit Subscribe & tap the 🔔, then leave a ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ review on Spotify & Apple Podcasts. It takes 10 seconds and makes a massive difference in helping new people discover Tiger Sisters.🛍️ Items:🍵 Sisters Matcha —  ⁠https://www.sistersmatcha.com⁠  🌀 Everything else — https://amzn.to/3z0dx5b

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We can just read out some of the attributes here and you can decide if it goes into your must have or your nice to have column. So number one, stacked booty. Yeah. What a stacked booty mean? Like a big butt? Yeah. Is that a nice to have or must have?

I feel like all of these are mostly must haves, but I'm single so. Maybe that's why. In part one, we talked about the first pillar, a person to be. And then part two is about someone to love. The second one is called work to do. A person to be, work to do, and a person to love. That's really meaningful for me. That's like why we do Tiger Sisters.

Okay, guys, classes in session. I'm Sheree. I'm Gene. And we're the Tiger Sisters. We are your Wall Street and Silicon Valley Big Sisters. And we're a top 10 business podcast bringing late night sister talk meets boardroom strategy. Hi, Tiger fam. Welcome back to Engineering a Remarkable Life Part 2, based on.

on the legendary class taught at Stanford's Business School by the late great professor, Joel Peterson. And this is part of Cherie's Masterclass series. So we are diving deep into Engineering and Remarkable Life, Part 2. This was one of my favorite classes that I took at Stanford's Business School, also taught by one of my favorite professors who passed away, sadly, a few months ago. But we are so honored and grateful that we can take his lessons and share them with you, because his class and his lessons, his takeaways, there are things that I think about on a daily basis.

I literally quote Professor Joel Peterson, probably daily. Yeah, and his legacy lives on in you and in all the students that he taught. And now it's being projected all the way to all of you guys through this episode. In part one, we talked about the first pillar, which is a person to be. It's a lot of reflecting on your family history, your values to figure out who you are. before we dive into part two. Right. So part one is very inward looking.

And then part two is about the two pillars. One is called someone to love. And the second one is called work to do. And it's basically about constructing your life and your relationships and also your career life. Guys, we are going to get into some really intense, incredible questions such as how do you intentionally build meaningful relationships instead of just hoping they happen? how do you choose a life partner? No big deal. How do you build a family? And how do you create meaningful work?

I can't believe you guys talked about this in a business school class. Why? Because I went to Harvard Business School and we never talked about anything like this. Did you talk about it with your classmates? I mean like late night or like occasionally, but it was never a class. It was never part of any curriculum. It was never so deeply considered and constructed and set up with exercises and assignments to do nowhere near this. Yeah, well, I got two credits. Two credits about thinking through this for thinking through this. Yeah, I mean, look, so Stanford is considered the more like emotional touchy-feely school. So it's like no surprise that this is the type of curriculum that people are engaging with and looking for.

I think it's deeply unique. Yeah. Okay, guys, part one, someone to love. So I think we can read directly from Professor Peterson's slides. He wrote, in 1938, Harvard researchers embarked on a decades-long study to find out what makes us happy in life. The researchers gathered health records from 724 participants from all over the world and asked detailed questions about their lives at two-year intervals.

Contrary to what you might think, it's not. career achievement, money, exercise, or a healthy diet. The most consistent finding we've learned through 85 years of study is positive relationships keep us happier, healthier, and help us live longer. Period. Period. I mean, that's why on Tiger Sisters podcast, we talk about money, power, and love. And love extends to romantic love, but also platonic love and family love, friends love.

And self-love. Yes. And so I'm not surprised at this study at all. I think like it sounds kind of cheesy. Like we know it deep down, right? Like relationships that you have in your life really shape you. And so I think in this part where we're talking about someone to love, Joel said in class, the person that you choose is as your partner is the most important decision that you'll make. And that's something that Jean and I talk about. Backed by research. Backed by research. Backed by a Harvard study. In 1938. Decades long study guys. But I mean, that's actually a pretty interesting study that they did it in intervals of every two years. Every two years. That's like, that's legit, guys. I appreciate the rigor in that study. I love that he talked about in class the importance of finding the right partner because that decision influences how you feel every single day.

Like, are you stressed or do you come home and feel relaxed and you're with your person who can relieve that stress? And Professor Peterson took it one level deeper. he actually invited his wife, Diana, into our class. And she was there for one of his lectures where he basically talked about her. And it offered us a way to ask her questions. Because, right, we have like 12 straight weeks of Professor Peterson kind of telling us how he's done things. But we can hear from his other counterpart how he's engineered his life. And I like, it sounds like what this is, is he gives you guys basically a framework on how to think about choosing a partner, right?

And like what sort of role they should play in your life. and how you decide if it's worth it to bring this person fully into your life and build a life together. Or the alternative is to be, as Emma Watson said, self-partnered, which is also very legitimate, especially if you aren't finding someone who meets these criteria. And I think through all of this, there is like no judgment at all on how you approach finding a person or not finding a person. but it is just putting another layer deeper of being very thoughtful about it and very intentional. Yeah. I'm very curious. Once we talk about the actual framework that he taught, I'm very curious as to what your general class's reaction was to it. So in class, Professor Peterson talked about his life and his own personal example with his wife, Diana. Yeah. And he actually like brought up a chart on like how he does things and how she does things.

Okay. Because I was wondering. I was like, how do you teach love? It's not really so much taught as it is him showing an example of how he's done it. Okay. And one that just sticks in my mind is that he says they are complimentary in a lot of ways. And it's not really that opposites attract, but it's more just complimentary. Okay. In one way, he is what he calls like a striver.

He is someone who is always trying to do new things, climb new mountains, go to Kilimanjaro, plan exciting trips. and bring his family like around the world and go, go, go, go and go and do. Diana, which he really appreciates, he calls her like roots. He's someone who's like going out there. She is a tree that like keeps them rooted. Okay. In their family, in their home, in their traditions. And he finds that that balance really works for them.

Okay. So he gave that as an example of him and how he formulated his lifelong relationship with his wife. Yes. And how it works for them. And then the second example that he gave is that when they were raising their kids and they have seven kids, he was someone who is very disciplined and, you know, got all of his kids to do all these sports and be also achievers and strivers like him. But Diana, which he had a lot of like warmth and appreciation for, was that he's like, when their kids were little, there were toddlers, she would literally get down to their level and like sit with them on the floor or talk to them at their level. so that they felt like they were on the same plane. Whereas like he was coming from, you know, above.

She was coming from at the level. So these are just examples that he brought into his own personal life are ways that they are complementary. And he also shared that when you are building a life with someone, you all have the family history, which we did in part one. He has his family history. She has her family history. But it's up to both of them to come together to choose what customs and family history,

they decide to bring with them into their partnership and into the next generation. And so I really appreciated hearing him talk about that because I hadn't ever thought about it that way. And it is just such an intentional way to be like, okay, take stock of what I have, take stock of what you have. And here, we're going to choose the best of both and bring it forward and break those generational traumas. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if, like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that's a very valuable exercise from my experience. as well. But so then was his sort of lesson that you should find someone who you think is complimentary to you or it wasn't really his lesson. He was just saying like that's what I did. So that's something you guys could consider. It's more the latter. It's what he did and it's something that you consider. You should consider. But also it's kind of I really like it because it reminds me of like hiring for the places where you need help. Or like, you know, if I am someone who is a startup founder and I'm good at ABC things, I should find someone who is good at X, Y, Z things that I'm not good at. So it kind of reminded me of that

a little bit. Yeah. Not to bring it to the workplace, love into the workplace, and workplace into the love. But I really felt like that applies. Okay, so this entire section about love, he taught you guys or he shared his own experiences. And then how did you guys, I guess, like operationalize that or turn that into learnings for yourself. Yeah. So one point that Professor Peterson was very adamant on is operationalizing love, which he admitted in class sounds so counterintuitive. Like love is supposed to be like so romantic and flowy and, you know, cutesy.

But joining lives together, that's like the ultimate operation. Totally. And like operationalizing is like very. strategic and businessy and like not lovey-dovey romantic. But when he talks about love, he extended this section into the people you love in your life, not just your romantic partner, but the relationships that matter the most to you. So it could be that partner. It could be your family members, your immediate family members, and it could be the friends and people closest to you. Okay, so then let's get into the mini exercise that we have for people to do that.

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So, okay, the mini exercise on operationalizing love is to think about five to seven people in your life. and then you think about what are your objectives for your relationship with them and how are you going to measure it? So you create once again a table with three headers. You have your person. You have the objective and then your measurement. So maybe you can tell us a little bit more about an example of how to do this because it sounds really clinical. Yeah. Why does it sound so clinical?

But I love tables, guys. I love visualizing things. So I think this table, I mean, it does sound clinical, but just to be real with it, like, love can be lovy-dovey. But if you just let it remain flowy and you don't really have objectives or ways to measure it, then it can fall by the wayside. So I'm saying maybe there's like a happy medium like between these two states, but I like being able to have an objective and a way to measure it. I think what's also cool about this is because you have to identify five to seven people in your life. You can also kind of take in an account of like, who am I spending a lot of my energy on? Who matters?

Yeah. And then also, once you list them all out, then you can sort of see like, oh, am I spending more energy on someone that like I'm not, my objective is not to be like super, super close with this person. But I just happened to be doing it and I didn't even realize it. Or maybe it's the opposite. It's like, hey, I really want to build my relationship with this person. But it turns out I only talk to them once a month or something. Yeah. So I think it's a good, again, like it's a good accounting exercise at the very least.

Totally. It's a way to put things down on paper and see what's up. Right. So an example here, I had a person who I'm very close with. It's one of my best friends, Isha. Shout out Isha. I actually wrote this in 2024. So it hasn't been updated, but this is just an example. So Isha is the person in the column. The next column, objective was to reignite our friendship. So this is someone I care so, so deeply about one of my best friends. And just admittedly, candidly, when I was at business school, we were long distance best friends. She was in New York. I was at school as a student and she is a very badass bitch founder in her own right entrepreneur. And we both have very busy schedules. And so for me,

I wanted to prioritize my friendship and I still do with her and reignite our friendship and, you know, Be best friends again. Yeah. Be very close best friends again. Yeah, be like more active best friends. More active. More active in each other's lives. Exactly. Yeah. And so the measures that I put into place or I wanted to put into place. And these are some examples that you can steal and take with you is monthly calls. yearly meetups and trips. Usually we have like a yearly ski trip that we do together or a way to come together. The third example is like small touch points. So whenever I see an article or a meetupes, or something I want to send her because I'm always thinking of her. You know, she's my BFF. And I'm like, hmm, Isha would enjoy this and send it to her. Mm-hmm. And then this one, which I didn't do, but I really like the idea of is monthly cards written.

Why are you laughing? Because you're so extra. Well, I mean, I love this because I'm extra for the people I care about. So this list doesn't have like 18 people. There's only, I don't know, six of them. Actually, I have an ex-best friend here, so cross that out. Cross that out. But that was someone-

More time to spend on the other people on the list. Exactly. I mean, I love Isha because she is someone in my life who she always remembers the birthday card for me. And I've actually looked through my drawer and there's like so many birthday cards that she's written for me. She planned my last birthday where it was basically like a batch of my like Bachelorette but not. And there was a lot of planning that she did for that.

is like one of my BFFs, the homie, the BFF. And so it does sound extra, but I'm like, I need to write that monthly card to each other. Monthly card. But these are just some examples of person, objective, and a few measures that you can do to operationalize that because like if you're not doing the monthly calls or the meetups, then like a lot of those things, life gets busy and you can really forget. I really appreciate those examples because I think. that is what is hardest about doing these exercises is when you have to start from scratch and you like don't know what to write. So I think maybe just to help people, I'm just going to read out all the different objectives and measures, just that people have somewhere to start with.

So here are some of the ones, not specific to a person, but one is you had maintain homeostasis relationship. You had reignite our friendship. You had deepen relationship, learn more about her past, get to know each other better, grow deeper in love, reignite our friendship. And then some of the measures were weekly calls, weekly face times, all the ones you listed for Isha, weekly hangout time, plan trips together, weekly dates, or monthly get together and quality time. So those are some really good options that you guys can choose from when you're doing this exercise yourself. Thank you for reading my chart and revealing all of my objectives of measures. I didn't say who they were. No, yeah. Well, see, I see I'm on this list, but you don't have the objective listed.

I don't remember if I didn't have an objective or if I took it out because I knew you were going to see this list. Rude. Rude. How could you not remember? No, I really don't remember. I can check the original. Objective. Maintain homeostasis relationship. No, the objective with Gene, actually, if we were to do this in real time to operationalize our friendship and our love, the objective is to, which I think we've done, but not. intentionally. Maybe it's like happened subconsciously is like how do we be co-founders and co-hosts and all those, you know, all the multi things that we are, sisters and roommates and all those

things together without pissing each other off? Actually, that's the baseline. How do we do that in a way that is fulfilling and exciting and like energy giving? Yeah. And sustainable and fun. and like something that we want to actively continue doing this, not just because it's our mission and like we think it's our life's work, but because it's fun. It's enjoyable. Enjoyable, yeah. So I would say that's the objective.

If I would write that down, the measures. We need to go to therapy. We need co-founder therapy. Hey guys, so you might notice we are in an incredible studio right now. Thanks, Spotify. And if you are not noticing, because you're a lot. listening, watch on Spotify. Turn on your video. See this amazing studio. Check out the lighting, guys. It is so good. When you're watching on Spotify, you get so much more of the in-person

experience with Gene and Me. You see the bansa. You see your facial expressions. And it's way more engaging. Turn on your video and check us out. Now back to the show. So talking about operationalizing love, obviously we have that table where we talked about ways to think about the and the measures, but now I'd like to turn to romantic love. Yeah, and this is, again, what Professor Peterson said is the most important relationship in your life if you choose to have a partner. And so for this one, he also had an exercise that we can share with you guys, which is pretty simple.

You've probably heard of it before. But it's basically mini exercise number two is to list out all the attributes of your life partner. But it's not just what you want. It's actually two different lists. One is must have and one is not. nice to have. Yeah. And so we can just read out some of the attributes here and you can decide if it goes into your must have or you're nice to have column. This is all for you to consider. So I think like

Jean said, in these examples, it's helpful to hear things. So then you can figure out like, oh, I've never actually thought about that and where does it go? So this is all very personal to you, I would say. So number one, stacked booty. What does stacked booty mean? Like a big butt? Yeah. Like a cute butt? Like a cute butt. Is that a nice to have or must have? Nice to have. Okay.

Shared values. Physically attractive. Strong work ethic. Parallel politics. Family compatibility. Common roots, friends, and associations. Great sense of humor. Great gene pool.

And then in parentheses, hybrid vigor. What does that mean? It means that when you have kids together, they have it's like a good mix of genes because when you have more diversity in the genes, then you have a stronger child. Devotion and fidelity, basically a loyalty. Loyalty. These hoes ain't loyal. These hoes are loyal. Similar tastes. Smart. Shared vocations. So these are just some attributes to think through. I think the one that is very top of mind for me, but I, haven't actually ever considered, but now in this political backdrop, we probably should, is parallel

politics. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's not something that I had ever encountered until the last couple years. Like, it had never come up for me. But then when it came up, it was like, oh. Well, because I guess, yeah, I never really considered. It always seems such an obvious given, but now it has been made even more obvious.

in my face. Yeah, I mean, in your experience, in your life experience as a coastal elite, it never came up. I'm just kidding, guys, sort of. I feel like all of these are mostly must-haves, but I'm single, so maybe that's why. I think these are just some examples of must-have versus nice to have, because some of these things fade over time, right, physically attractive. I think that's what might attract you to someone to begin with. But over the course of 20, 30 years, those things change for people. So, yeah, I don't plan on that. Oh, she needs that disport.

We need that disport. Not sponsored. Why don't we move on to the third pillar and the final section of the video, which is work to do. So basically, once you know who you are, which was. part one. And then once you know who you're building your life with, which is we just went over, then the next question is, what is the work that you're doing? And I know that Joel was very much about the concept that work isn't just about earning money. It's not just about progressing in your career. It's about purpose. Yes. And he has this incredible quote that I go back to often is that

building a great career means helping others to become a respected member of a winning team doing something meaningful. That's a lot. Let let that sink in. I'm going to repeat it again. It's by empowering and helping others to become a respected member of a winning team doing something meaningful. Because if you don't have one of those, like one of those is missing, it doesn't really work out, right? Because to be a respected member, there are different ways to make people feel like they belong and they're doing meaningful work. And all. also part of a team that is winning. If you're part of a losing team, that's a lot harder. That's a different problem to solve. But to be a respected member of a winning team doing something

meaningful. And this obviously comes from his perspective of his career where he has been in management roles for decades leading organizations of hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands of people. And so I think having this very simple framework can help orient to like what are we actually working on. Yeah, I mean, and I think that these three simple elements very much touch on human nature, right? Like everyone wants to be respected. Everyone wants to feel valued. And no matter what you're doing, I think so much of life is about finding value and really caring about what you do and like seeing how your work contributes to XYZ goal in the world. And I think that for a lot of people that helps them find meaning in their own.

life. And instead of just living day to day, they're living with a broader kind of goal in mind. Totally. And I think I really like this perspective of empowering others. Yeah. Of like helping others building a team. Like you're not building a team to serve yourself. I think a lot of it is when you are a manager, you are trying to, it is your responsibility if you are a good manager to build up the person on your team to help them develop. I agree. And I think another. important realization is that in any career, which is, you know, hopefully very long lived, there are always incredible highs and they're always incredible lows. Yeah.

So Joel talked about this in terms of like surviving versus thriving. I think the thriving is very easy to talk about because it's very fun and people post on Instagram and LinkedIn about the thriving part. The harder part to talk about is the surviving. And so just anecdotally, like I hadn't really heard of people talking. about career downturns, right? Like people don't really like to highlight the places and times that they failed. But Professor Peterson gave us many examples, and I'll share one with you, of when he's had a career downturn. There was one point where it was a huge low in his life

where he was sued by someone he used to work with by his previous company. And it was a lawsuit. And he shared with us that you want to do everything possible to not be in a lawsuit. I've never been in one, knock on wood, and I won't be in one. But like, he's like, shared that with me. And it's, like, imprinted in my brain that, like, you want to do everything you can to prevent that from happening. To not be the person that is sued. To not be sued. If there are threatens of lawsuits, you want to do everything you can before you get to the actual lawsuit. But he was based side lesson. Side lesson. Don't get sued. He says it's miserable. He basically said he had the worst decade. He said, like, I had a really bad decade is literally a quote from his class. Whereas me, as a

27-year-old being like, what do you mean a bad decade? Like, that's even possible? Like, bro, like that like really scared me, but also, like, showed me how long life can be that he had a big downturn. And because he had a big downturn and his life where he was sued by his previous employer or company. And it lasted for 10 years? The lawsuit. I'm pretty sure the lawsuit was extended. Yeah. But it was just like a bad decade overall. It was super stressful because it's always, it takes up so much of your mind share. It's always in the back of your mind, the litigation that's going on. But because of that downturn that he had, he ended up starting his own investment firm.

That's called Peterson Partners Now, Peterson Ventures. And like something great came out of something bad. But he said he was basically in survival mode for a decade. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if, like what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if.

Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home. So what was the lesson he was trying to impart to you guys through this story? Just that life is long and you may over the course of your 70 plus your life have a bad decade. Is that the takeaway that like things will turn around but things might also be bad for a while? Yes. A quote that he had was that rain will fall.

fall on your fields. And this applies to work. He gave a work example, but then he also talked about health. There might be a health scare or a death in a family, which rain will fall on your fields. It's not something that we think about often because it's so sad and like a bit depressing of thinking about like all the bad things that will happen. But like in the case of, for example, knock on wood, like a death of a loved one or a family member, like the person that you partner with will have to get you through a very big hard time in your life. life. So like kind of tying all these lessons together, rain will fall on your fields and you're figuring out ways to fortify yourself before that happens so you can get through survival. Yeah. So it's kind of like

two parts of his lesson. It's it's more I feel like one takeaway is, you know, life has ups and downs and everyone will experience them. And so sort of like prepare yourself. Yeah. To get through it. Or don't be, you just be, just know that it will happen. Yeah. And like don't let it ruin you. You'll come of it at some point. Yes. And then I guess the second part of the lesson is going back to the life partner part. It's like that is the person that you will probably rely on the most. And like you guys will have to be each other's anchors in getting through both the highs and the lows. Absolutely. And kind of to bring it back to a point that you've made, I think in part one, that like there are parts of Joel's curriculum that feel quite traditional and parts that feel

more new age. Something that he mentioned that is very traditional that falls, I think, into the traditional camp. I appreciate because I learned it. But he says that he himself does this and he has required his children to do this is memorization. And so he says in difficult times and he brings up like POW prisoner of war examples that a lot of them got through imprisonment by memorization. by memorizing things to keep them sane. Yeah. And so that's something that actually Joel does.

He like knows the entire Gettysburg address by heart. He knows Bible verses by heart. And he knows even some of, I think like he speaks, he speaks, he spoke French. So he memorized things in French as well. And so, and he requires many of his children to memorize specific, iconic works of literature just so that they have that strength within them. feels quite traditional, but I'm like, damn. Yeah, like the recitation of memorized phrases. I mean, we did that when we were younger.

Yes. What did you memorize? A lot of Chinese poems. Let's hear it. I don't know if you'd get me through a POWC. Yeah, basically. That's all I know of one of them. It's a Chinese poem about a goose, a swan.

Yes, about a swan. But that's all I know about it. Yeah. But, yeah. I mean, I guess it is traditional, but it is, it's consistent across many cultures. Yeah. Hey, guys. So it's come to my attention that many of you don't know,

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That's sistersMacha.com. And already, back to the show. Okay, guys, so we've reached the end of engineering a remarkable life, both part one and part two. Thank you guys for coming with us on this journey. We hope that you guys have some takeaways and if not that, some reflections. And I want to say on behalf of myself and our community, thank you, Sheree, for allowing us to be your student.

Yes. And for sharing your learnings and for being so vulnerable and honest and sharing all of your list attributes and allowing us to read them out loud so that people can use them. I did not consent. I think it's really, really valuable. and I think, yeah, we're just so appreciative that you're putting yourself out there for us to help us grow and to learn from the late Joel Peterson who, you know, will never have a chance to ever learn from him directly. So learning through you is just, is really beautiful. Yeah. Oh, thanks for saying that.

It is kind of like an honor to like. Yeah, totally. Well, it's an honor for me. It's an honor for me. I was saying it's an honor for me. Wait, but it's an honor for me. It's an honor for me. But it's like an honor to be able to share this because if like one person who's watching this has a aha moment or a reflection that makes them feel more aligned with themselves and tune with themselves and how they think about a person to be, work to do and a person to love, that's really meaningful for me.

That's like why we do Tiger Sisters. And this is very like Cherie core. Like I love doing these reflections and digging deep and digging in. I know it can feel really hard to do in the moment, but I think we are better for it if we spend more time with ourselves and seeing ourselves, examining ourselves, so that we can grow. I also think from what I know about Professor Peterson through you, I think that this is an honor for him that you are continuing to share his legacy, his life learnings, all of these frameworks that he took the time to put together. to share with as many students as he could. And now you're like taking that to a whole new level to share it with people that have never ever gotten to know him and like would never otherwise be able to take this class at

Stanford, myself included. Yeah. So I just think this is really, really cool. And I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and appreciate it because it was a lot of work to put together. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to this episode of Sherees Masterclass Engineering a Remarkable Life, Part 2. and if you haven't seen part one, go watch that now.

Thanks, guys. We'll see you next time. Bye. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old.

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