Tiger Sisters - Living the LA Wildfire + TikTok Ban for 12 Hours. Now What?

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Note: We have donated 100% of the proceeds from Sisters Matcha purchases made since the LA fires to families in the Displaced Black Families GoFundMe Directory: https://tinyurl.com/mr22fn94 and we will continue to donate a portion of the proceeds for all orders made in January. The Tiger Sisters are back and diving into all the hot topics! In this special current events episode, Cherie and Jean talk about the LA wildfires and share how they’re staying safe, dish on the TikTok ban and what it means for creators, and reveal their latest “roses and thorns” (including Cherie’s ambitious 40-fruits-and-veggies challenge🥑🍓). You’ll also get a sneak peek at Season 3 of Tiger Sisters—complete with a brand-new interview format featuring inspiring entrepreneurs and leaders. Plus, don’t miss their pop culture recs (Timothée Chalamet fans unite) and candid chats about everything from gut health to Gen Z’s big moves. Get ready for honest insights, plenty of laughs, and that signature sisterly banter you love! Tune in now on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify—and don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe. Enjoy the episode! ✨🎉 ------------------------------------------------------------------ 🐯👯‍♀️ Tiger Sisters Podcast | Career, Entrepreneurship, and Life Welcome to Tiger Sisters, your go-to podcast for career mentorship and life guidance! Hosted by Cherie Brooke Luo and Jean Luo, we’re your internet big sisters here to demystify the ups and downs of navigating careers, tech, and entrepreneurship— all while staying healthy, stylish, and joyful along the way. Cherie is an influencer who has broken down the complexities of big tech, finance, and MBA programs for millions of viewers, with over 100M+ views across platforms. Jean is a tech product executive and investor, holding over 50 AI patents, who has built an impressive career in product management and institutional investment at companies like Goldman Sachs and Snapchat. Between the two of us, we’ve survived stints at top investment banks and big tech firms, founded startups, and earned four Ivy League degrees—if we’re counting Stanford! Yet, we still find time to focus on wellness, friendships, fashion, and skincare, always sharing the lessons we've learned along the way. Whether you’re here for career advice, stories about balancing life’s challenges, or just to hear our honest takes on what it means to pursue fun, wealth, and joy in all areas of life, we’ve got you covered. 🍿 WATCH NEXT: Tiger Sisters Season 2: Our Upbringing as Harvard & Stanford MBA Grads [S2 EP1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbt-kqkPGk&t=13s Tiger Sisters Season 1: Networking 101 from Harvard & Stanford MBA Grads [S1 EP 10] https://youtu.be/q2D1agAvgkw?si=syXSqjCohGplfdH_ Cherie’s Corner: Roelof Botha: Career & Personal Lessons from Sequoia Capital Managing Partner https://youtu.be/5s9Y5c6OXzs The Internet’s Big Sister and Career Mentor: Jean Luo https://youtu.be/V_J236VrkrY?si=aSukqYXTOvb5Z4Li 💛 LET'S CONNECT: ~ CHERIE ~ 🤳🏻 Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/cherie.brooke 📱 TikTok – https://www.tiktok.com/@cherie.brooke ✍🏻 My Substack – https://cherieluo.substack.com/ 👩🏻‍💻 LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/cherie-luo/ ~ JEAN ~ 🤳🏻 Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/jeanluo_/ 👩🏻‍💻 LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanluo 🎵 Music produced by Sammy Signal https://open.spotify.com/artist/2HsyknHuxhT8RoZfn5rqMS 🛍️ Items Referenced: 🍵Sisters Matcha & SISTERS Merch: www.sistersmatcha.com ✨Tiger Sisters & Friends Japan Trip (May 2025): https://trovatrip.com/trip/asia/japan/japan-with-cherie-luo-may-2025 ♠️ Everything else: https://amzn.to/3z0dx5b ⏰ Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Welcome & Episode Preview  00:00:20 – A Special Episode: LA Wildfires & TikTok Ban 00:03:12 – Roses & Thorns: 40 Veggies Challenge & Health 00:12:08 – Jean’s Thorn & LA Wildfire Crisis  00:32:32 – TikTok Goes Dark, Now What?

Welcome back to this very special episode of Tiger Sisters. Sharia's been chomping at the bit to record. Yeah. And it's my fault. It's been a while. We haven't gotten into the recording studio for a while. You'll see why when we do roses and thorns. Yeah, so this is a very special episode.

We're so excited to be back chatting with you guys. And this is going to be a little bit different of an episode. We're going to be talking more about current events, especially as the things that are developing in L.A. with the wildfire, the TikTok ban that's coming up soon in the next couple of days. We just have thoughts we want to share it with you guys. Do we? Yeah. Many thoughts. We always have thoughts. We always have thoughts. And ideas. I don't even think I had thoughts, but I have thoughts. I mean, the thing is like Jean and I will like be on the couch, we'll be in the car, we'll just be talking about all this stuff that's going on. And it's just like so much more fun if we can like

put it in front of a camera and share it with you guys because like these are the conversations we're having with our friends and with each other. Yeah, even, like, we were out at, like, at the store the other day. I don't know if you noticed this, but, like, we were just, like, talking to each other. And then, like, I made a joke to you. And then, like, some lady nearby would, like, started laughing and was, like, enjoying our, like, discussion. And, like, she was like, oh, I agree or something.

She, like, chimed in. Oh, really? Did you not notice that? No, no, no, no, not at all. Oh, yeah, that's so funny. But, yeah, so now we're finally back. And with this very special episode, also, we are so excited. for season three of Tiger Sisters.

It's bananas. You guys are going to love it because it's actually a brand new format. It's a new format. It's a new format. We've never tried before. It's bringing in interviews that we did with a lot of amazing guests. These people are like incredible. We've interviewed them.

We're bringing in like technically a third voice, which a lot of you guys in the comments have asked for, a different perspective. We're interviewing executives, entrepreneurs, leaders who are like so. successful but then also really humble and really thoughtful people who are giving advice. And like really insightful and very just generous with their time and their insights and like telling us about their failures. It's actually one of the questions that we asked for most of them like tell us about one of your failures.

So yeah, I just like deeply appreciate them like putting themselves out there for us and for you guys. And stay tuned. Yeah. Stay tuned. We won't give too much away. We won't give too much away. Stay tuned. Season three.

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Like any engagement really helps. Distributor podcasts more. So it can help more people. Thanks. All right. Let's dive in. Let's start with roses and thorns. It's been a while.

So Shari, why don't you kick us off with your rose? Yes. So my rose is that I am doing a new challenge, you know, 2025 January. And I am doing a challenge focused on my gut health. I watched a documentary on my Delta flight. It's like a special like master class via Delta on gut health. And supposedly what you're supposed to do now is 40 fruits. and vegetables, at least like, you know, incorporating a diversity of them into your diet every single

week. And so I've been feeling really good trying to hit this number. It's fun to have a challenge, fun to have a goal every week. After I eat something that like qualifies as like a fruit or vegetable, a whole food non-processed, I write it down. And it's just like a really fun way just to be more mindful, even if I don't hit 40, which I have, even if I don't hit 40, it's like a cool way to be like, oh, I'm eating with intention and I know what I'm putting in my body. And it just feels good to like eat healthy stuff. I'm also loving Cherie's challenge because I am a benefactor of this because she does most of the like cooking and like food assembly. So I also ate 40 fruits and vegetables last week.

Yeah. And we are on our way this week. Yeah. We've hit 19 or 20. so we're like basically halfway there and like it could be like anything like an ingredient like garlic or ginger like even that counts it makes me more mindful about like scallions scallic no like any like herbs that you're putting or cooking with I love cooking and so it just also helps bring some creativity it's like oh I wouldn't normally eat eggplant like I don't really make it like normally but she did last week

but I did last week to get an extra vegetable in and I love eating fruits and vegetables so are you really going to keep this up like the whole year like you're going to have like 52 sheets that you're going to make into like a little booklet. Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Are you going to like frame all 52 and put them on the wall like you do your computer science notes? It's out of frame. Oh, it's out of frame. Okay, well just above us is all Sherey's computer science notes from college. Yeah. Actually, that'd be kind of cool. What if I turned it into like a book or something that just like showed what I'm eating like week to week? Honestly, I'm writing it down on pen and paper, but this is where an app or something digital would

be interesting because I did think about like week over week, what is the diversity is a really important component. Not only that you're having 40 fruits and vegetables every week, but it becomes even harder because you want to have 40 new vegetables and fruits every single week, which is like incredibly difficult. What? Like week to week? Well, that's like in my mind another challenge. So I would like to know, yeah, a meta goal, like a side quest. Is that like I would like to know what is the overlap from week to week? Yeah. You want. know the uve unique vegetables uv unique vegetables and fruit eating uv over the course of a year yes i do and i feel like there'd be some really interesting analyses there this is me like totally geeking and nerding out give me like

one second to be like you could use um like sequel to be like can we group by like how many weeks in a I mean SQL? Yeah. Can I like a group I like or, you know, do some like pivot tables on the specific term. Or if you just like put them all into like chat GPT or whatever AI you want to use and you're like what what minerals and sub like vitamins am I like missing and which ones am I hitting? Oh yeah. like, you know, amalgam of... With fruits and veggies, yeah.

I think I could totally go crazy and nerd out on this. Another thing is that I got my blood test done recently for 2025. So did I. And I am high in cholesterol. So am I. Since all I eat is everything she makes. No, that's not the reason. I think it's genetic.

High and cholesterol. Yeah. I think we're in predisposition. Yeah. And then I'm also borderline, like, vitamin D deficient. what's new obviously like all the girlies are vitamin D deficient these days um so I'm taking vitamin D supplements now um and also D and C especially with the wildfires which we will talk about um it's just so important to make sure you're staying healthy um I remember my thorn

what is really my thorn um I've been feeling kind of weird it's been such a weird start to 2025 I don't know if anyone else feels this way. It's just like so much has happened already and we're not even like 20 days in. It's kind of depressing, honestly. So many bad things have happened. It's almost like too much to keep track of. It really is. I have like so much content and media through podcasts and like my feed.

Just like emotional whiplash of all the content. That's why you need to watch Love Island. Why? So you could turn your brain off and be transported away to a world where. they're just like in their own personal quarantine and they're just making relationships. Yeah. Forming relationships. Ignorance is bliss in some ways.

But I was going to say my thorn is that I've been scrolling a lot on social media and seeing so many different like doomsday things related to health. And I don't know what's true and what's not. For example, I've seen that like tea bags now have microplastics. However like many parts per million microplastics. and like you can't even trust the tea that you're drinking now. And now like red food dye by the FDA has been like banned or something where it's like you just have to be so careful. There's like also a bunch of like the eggs from Costco have like salmonella and have been

recalled in this many states. I'm just like I can't keep it straight and I'm like internally like freaking out. So for me I actually don't think it's like doomsday per se. I think it's actually slowly revealing all the things that have been true. but just we have not been privy to that information in the United States. So like whatever this red dye is, I guarantee you it's been, I haven't looked at the news article at all, but I guarantee you it's already been in Europe and like many other countries. And like, I bet it was banned like 10 years ago and we're just like 10 years behind the curve.

Because I've seen like other articles like that too. Like all these like serials and stuff that are in the United States cannot be sold in Europe because they contain these dyes and like other ingredients that are banned. So that is why. It's so messed up. Yes. And I like, I don't know, like not to sound too like privilege, but like whenever I can, I buy consumables like anything that you put on your skin, anything that you like make up.

That's why I buy it from like Europe and like Japan and Korea whenever possible. Yeah. Or I guess like brands, like French brands or Japanese and. Korean brands for skin care. Yeah. I don't buy like, not like fancy stuff. Like literally just drugstore stuff from those countries because I know they have higher regulations.

Right. Then like anything else you would buy that would be the equivalent of drugstore stuff in the United States. Well, another thing that I saw recently and you're not going to like this one is that perfumes apparently are like endocrine disruptors. I know. There's like paraffins or some sulfates. I don't even know what it is.

But like perfumes. have dry shampoo. Oh my god, dry shampoo. I live off of dry shampoo. The propellants. Yes. Did you see that as well? I've seen it like I think I've seen all this stuff like way before you did. Okay. No, because and I think the reason you see it is because now you're drafting off of my algorithm. Okay. Okay. I'm my own person. I'm my own person. I have my own algorithm. What? Now that we're in the same proximity. Now that we share an IP address. Okay. I think my algorithm is being like you know, sent to you too. But...

Not the dry shampoo. But yeah, I think there are just things that you can act on and do as much as you can. And then there's things that you just have to like be aware of and acknowledge and live with and like make your choices. I don't know. I'm just seeing that a lot. So my thorn is just like these doomsday posts. Her thorn is that her eyes have been opened. Let me eat my red.

I'm just kidding. I don't even eat red dye stuff, but you know. Don't you? Forty fruits and vegetables, though. Okay, so Gene, please, I'd love to hear your rose and your thorn. Okay, so I'll start with my thorn, which we probably share, which is the LA fires of the last week. Yeah, it's a big one. It's really big.

And it's hard to even, like, talk about because there's, like, so much. many components and it's just like overwhelmingly heartbreaking. Yeah. Like if you think about any like part of it, it's just like really, it's just really complex because like you want to be as up on the news as possible so that you can help so that you can share resources that you can, you know, do anything that you can and also just like take the right actions. But then also like consuming that media is like really difficult too.

Yeah. Because we're so close to it. I mean, we live in, you know. We're in L.A. all the time. And I don't, I actually haven't seen any other content about people talking about it in this way. So that's why I'm like, I think it's important that we talk about it. We lived through the L.A. fires for like the week that it was happening literally last Tuesday, Wednesday. Like, and I saw the sunset fire from like literally 10 minutes like away.

Like I saw it with my eyes. Like we're going to talk all about that. But like the health side, both physical and mental, some of our friends who have lost their houses. Both, I guess, in the Palisades, Malibu fire, and then also on the Eaton fire. The Eaton fire in Altadena and Pasadena. And there's just so many different like aspects and layers of the fire to mourn. Like, I don't know, part of it, one thing that could seem like totally inconsequential to most people

because there's obviously loss of life, there's loss of structures, there's a complete loss of entire neighborhoods, like the Pacific Palisades and Altadena. But then there's also like the loss of, you know, incredible like works of architecture and history, history, culture, and culture that will never be recovered ever again. And like some of those buildings, like I actually, like the Will Rogers building, like I feel like a lot of affinity with because I used to go to Will Rogers all the time, especially during... That's a museum? Yeah, it's like the...

It's like a state park that's like right in sort of like northern like Brentwood, like San Monica area. And there's like a really historic building there that is burned, is gone forever. Yeah. They're like that aspect. Then there's also like the secondary aspect of all the people who didn't necessarily like lose their houses or weren't displaced themselves, but all of the people that are the,

support and work in the palisades. So like all of the domestic workers, all of the landscapers, all of the people that are providing services to all of those households, like their livelihood is also like severely impacted. Yeah. Not to even mention like the sort of disparity between I would say the palisades, like, like Western LA fire versus the Eaton East Side fire because the demographics of the people that were affected by those two fires is very different.

Yeah. And even if you look at like the fundraising and like the GoFundMe for people who are on the west side, I personally know people who were displaced, lost their house on the west side and they were able to raise, you know, $40, $50,000 through GoFundMe. in just three days versus if you look at there are a lot of GoFundMees for people who are from Altadena and the East Side and they're just trying to raise like $5,000 and they can't even hit a thousand. Yeah.

And a lot of those are disproportionately less well-off black families. So there's actually a spreadsheet going around that has all the GoFundMe's for specifically for displaced black families. Yeah. And we can link that also in the description below. Yeah, that's a great idea. So that you guys can see in. contribute if you're able to and help out in that way. We can see the effects on both sides.

And I don't know, to me, in the media coverage, like, there is a bit of, like, I won't even say, like, it's a class war, like, in that way. Divide. Divide. Yeah. There's, like, a divide for sure that's becoming, like, wider and wider when something as traumatic as this fire comes and, like, destroys everything, like, who can get the help? Because, like, if you're on the west side, like, in the palisades, like, it's horrible. Of course. that like your house or your neighborhood is burned and ruined but like you're able to also tap into networks that are able to help you more easily and yeah this is obviously a generalization but a lot of people who are more on the west side affected by the west side fire displaced um i guess

now unhoused because of it they have networks and resources that extend beyond their immediate neighborhood yeah versus my understanding of altadena is that it is a very uh community oriented place where a lot of their resources are concentrated literally on the same block. So like their family, their extended family, their closest friends, everyone has suffered an incredible loss. Yeah. Everyone's trying to help each other. But the community is like ravaged basically.

And all the resources within the community are ravaged as well. That chills. Yeah. We watched a 60 Minutes special the other night about this family that was. highlighted in the Altadena fire. It was a black family and it was just, I mean, you should definitely, if you can, watch it. I think it really goes to show what's happening and it humanizes like, yeah, oh yeah, you can read about the fire and like sympathize, but then really watching the 60 minutes special. It, I think, really shows just the humanity and the people behind the

fires and it makes you really want to reach out and help. Yeah. And the other thing that I think isn't as widely acknowledged or spoken about is that for a lot of people who are affected in the Altadina fires the house was pretty much like the vast, vast majority of their net worth, right? It was passed down over many generations and it was the source of

and kind of, it was like the source of the little generational wealth that they did have and it was kind of for a lot of people like a foothold into becoming middle class when the previous generations were like very much solidly not not anywhere close to middle class yeah I actually listened to a podcast episode

maybe it was it was like an NPR like piece a segment on it where they said like in Altadena like they know they own the property because like past generations have paid off the mortgage and so this was like their like investment piece basically like all of their net worth was like locked up in this house that is now burnt down where like, you know, I think they don't have like a

stock. They don't have like a diversified stock portfolio to like fall back on. Like that is their yeah, their source of value. Yeah. Yeah. Economic value. Yeah. So all that to say it's very heavy. And it's like complicated for us to sort of like navigate day to day while trying to like acknowledge and help and still be, have so much of our headspace be occupied by what's going on. Oh my gosh. Mental health-wise, people who are dealing with the fire, physical health-wise, dealing with the fire. It's like a lot. It's been a crazy week.

And I can't even imagine people who are losing their houses. Yeah. So what we'll do is we'll also link resources. Yes. In the description of this video. So you guys can check it out and see if there are organizations that resonate with you. L.A. Fire Department is one of them. L.A. Wildfire Department Fund, yeah.

Yes. And then also, Jean, if you could share the GoFundMe of the Black and Brown families that have been displaced. Yeah, I'll share that too. Yeah. And then I guess my rose is sort of related. Gene has pneumonia. Yeah, my roses that I, not to be dramatic, have pneumonia. or I guess I'm recovering from pneumonia. So this is like really the first day that we were able to film at all.

I got my hands on my new inhaler since I stupidly lost my old one. I don't actually have asthma or maybe I'm like asthma having self-denier. But I... Well, I mean, I don't know if you have asthma, but you've grown up using inhalers your entire life. So you probably have asthma. No, I have like seasonal. and like wildfire induced asthma episodes. Yeah.

So you have asthma. But it really doesn't affect me most of the time, guys. So her asthma, I mean, it got really bad. It was actually her asthma really started. Was it on Tuesday? It was like the day of the wildfire, actually. I thought it was even before I was like coughing. I had all these like sinus issues.

And I thought you like detainees. the wildfire because of your asthma. Yeah. Like we didn't know it was a thing until like Tuesday afternoon or evening that the wildfires had even started in the palisades. But then Gene was like having a lot of like issues. Yeah. Even for like a couple days before that because the Santa Ana winds were really, really strong.

Dusty as well. And it was like blowing up all the dust and I think things were already in the air. But anyway, so due to the wildfire and the structural burn. Oh my God. Yes. That's like a whole other topic. But. I mean, I want to talk about that.

You want to talk about it. Yeah, it's like in all of the like group threads that were in. There's like so much information being passed around about, you know, the fact that there's not only a lot of pollutants from wildfire burn that's in the air, but there's also a lot of pollutants. From urban burn. Yes, from structural burn. So all, a lot of the houses that were burned were pre-1984, which I think 1984 is one of asbestos was. outlawed. Essentially, or 82 or 84, something like that.

So a lot of the houses are from the 70s, 60s, 50s, et cetera, 20s, and the contaminants that were in there are like burned and released into the air. And then the other thing, I just, I read a summary this morning of a couple of like webinars about air health. And the other thing they mentioned is that a lot of EV vehicles were also burned. And within those are battery. Oh my God. Yeah, well, guys, like, all this to say, like,

this is not a normal wildfire. This is like a- It's not. It's actually beyond a wildfire. There's another word for it, but I forgot what it's called when it's actually fire that jumps from building to building. It's called something else. Oh, my God.

It's not even qualified as, like, wildfire anymore. Right, because a wildfire, at least like you know what's in the air in terms of, like, the brush and, like, the trees and the natural debris that's, like, burnt in a wildfire and you can wear an N95. But like, like Gene said, the structural slash urban fires, like you have no idea what the hell is being burned. It's like all this like I worry about like the technology like the TVs, the cars, the laptops in the houses that are being burned, which like releases chemicals. Like I don't even know what's in that. And it's all dispersed in the air. And the other thing that's the other reason why the wildfires spread so quickly is because

of the Santa Ana winds in LA. So we had winds up to 80 miles per hour in certain times. Yeah, I think even more the night, like the Tuesday night where it was spreading. I read that it went up to 100 miles per hour. Oh my gosh. But that's really like spreading all the particles that are in the air that are PM2.5 or less. I don't know what that is. Oh, particles like size.

Like particle mass or something. I have no idea. And then a lot of these really. hazardous materials or like hazardous what would you call elements yeah are not actually captured in a QI yeah so there's this whole like now everybody is like deep diving and becoming like an air scientist essentially like every i mean every every every mom and like random person and me like right air quality index a QI is like you can open up your weather app on your apple like on your phone and it'll tell you an air quality index,

but it's also like the AQI doesn't capture the urban burn and like all the chemicals, you know, that are outside of a normal wildfire. Yeah. So what we've done is, by the way, I do want to share this resource is that I have purchased some air purifiers from this place called Air Doctor, that apparently these are like industrial,

almost like hospital-grade air purifiers that do, and this is not an ad in any way. There's nothing is sponsored. No, nothing sponsored. They do like filter out these contaminants, I guess. And like the way that I found out about it is that somebody sent me a screenshot of somebody's Instagram story where they had posted that like, oh, air doctor selling these. They're usually $800. They're selling them at cost for like $150.

Yeah. And you need to call this 800 phone number. And so I literally called this phone number at least six times because I would be on hold. I'd be waiting for like 10 minutes and then it would hang up. And so I called at least six times before I finally got through and I put in my order. Yeah. But like it's just crazy how like the way that I receive this information. So I've been trying to share that information with as many people as possible because I think that if you can afford to to buy it and like protect, improve your air quality, you should in your home.

But it's just it's very, it's very, it's like a whole other topic. It's just very weird how like, information. One percenters share information with one percenters. Yeah. I mean, that's like the entire. I mean, that's the whole world. And like, that's the context of the world that we live in, right? Yeah.

And I don't think that should be the case, especially in like natural disasters where like the people who need the most help are like the 99%. Yeah. Healthy air should not be like a commodity that like people save. That people are hoarding for them. themselves. Right. Since I'm working while I have pneumonia, am I going to get hazard pay for this? What's that? It's like when you work during hazardous conditions. I think I should be paid hazard pay because

the hazardous condition is being close to you. Tushay. I was going to say an anecdote was that like just to share how crazy and how fast moving these fires are on Wednesday evening last week. So Tuesday is when the Palisades fire really started kicking up. On Wednesday, I went to the gym that evening around like 5 p.m. And was going to go to a yoga class with a friend of mine. And while we got to the gym, we like hung out a little bit and we're about to start the yoga class, they're like, actually the gym was like, we're closing because there's a fire that. that just started, literally like seven minutes north of us.

And I'm like, what? And so they closed down the gym and canceled our yoga class. And they're like, we need everyone to leave in the next like half hour. So then like my friend and I go upstairs to like the third floor of the gym. And he's basically like, could I use your phone? And I thought he was going to like take videos of himself doing pull-ups. And I was like, sure, because he didn't have his phone on him. And then like, you know, two minutes later, I like look to see what he's doing.

And he's like videoing outside the gym. And you can see the fires. It was the sunset fire north of Hollywood, which like literally developed. The photos are like apocalyptic because it's crazy. It's like you could see there's like a Best Buy in the photo. A CBS, a Target. And then the fire is like upon upon you. Yeah.

I'll see if I can put like an image that we like that he took of the fire. But basically he like didn't want to tell me he was taking a photo of the fire because he knew I would freak out and be like, oh my god it's actually so close but he's like don't look at here don't look don't look to see what I'm doing and then obviously I ran it was so close it was really close actually and then people as we were leaving people were like freaking out it's just like it feels like apocalyptic like COVID times it really did it really did yeah and at the time we were hosting some of our friends that's important who had evacuated due to the eaten fire yeah So they were staying on our couch and just like, I don't know, everyone was really sad.

It was like dismayed. Yeah, like more than dismayed. It was just like a really... Depressed. Yeah. I mean, they had to evacuate because their house was getting way too smoky on the east side. And they said they had headaches from the air that they were breathing in. It was like that bad.

Yeah, and they were basically in the danger zone too. Yeah. And so they stayed with us. So if you can house your friends, they would, I know they would appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, speaking of housing, now the housing market in L.A., like, who knows what's going to happen there? Probably turn upside down wayside. Like, who knows what's going to happen?

Well, also apparently, like, speaking of, you know, resources being passed from one, one percent or to another, there's this whole, like, whisper network of houses that are being sold. Like, you guys know about, like, pocket listings, which is basically, the only reason I know about it really is because I watch a lot of like real estate TV. What's a pocket listing? It's basically a listing that is not yet on the MLS. So it's not publicly listed yet, but it's not on the market yet. Exactly. It's not on the market yet, but the real estate agent will have it kind of like in their pocket and they're able to show it to specific people ahead of time. And they're like, hey, I can sell you this house without anyone else even, without even being on the market yet.

So now like pocket listings are, it's like one step further beyond pocket listings now where real estate agents are kind of going to their old clients and be like, hey, do you want to sell your house? Like I know you were thinking about selling in the next few years. Do you want to just sell it right now? And then there. Is that for the people whose houses burned down? Yeah.

Because they're this, it's burned down. And then a lot of the houses that even aren't burned down, like you can't live in them. Oh, wait. So they're just uninhabitable. So the people who's. Houses were impacted, want to sell that land. No, they're buying new houses. Where are they going to live?

They can't live in, you know, a hotel forever. They can't stay with their friends forever. They're buying houses. They're buying houses. They're buying long-term rentals. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's all happening kind of like. Under the table in a way.

Behind closed doors. Under the radar. Under the radar. Yeah. We're going to take a quick break. And then we'll come back to talk about other current events, non-fire-related current events. offense. Hey guys, quick break to let you know that we now have merch on sisters matcha.com. We have sweatshirts and t-shirts that we designed yourselves. Go check it out. And please rate us five stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. These ratings are so important for the distribution and survival of Tiger Sisters Podcast. Thank you for your support. And we're back. And we're back. Um, what should we talk about? Should we talk about the TikTok band? Tick-tok, tick-tok. I've been reading a lot of, um, articles.

about this. I started out on TikTok in 2020. So I've been using the app for like more than four years. And I've been talking to a couple of creators as well who are sometimes like completely on TikTok, some diversify on TikTok versus Instagram versus YouTube. She rewrote this amazing article for Forbes that is really putting like a human lens on the effect of TikTok. So she basically interviewed a creator, a TikTok creator whose entire livelihood is on. TikTok. Yeah, which is kind of crazy. And so I just want to share like the person behind the story as well. I think we can read about like the policy decisions and you know, Congress passing a bill, etc. But like who are the real people it impacts day to day? And it was a great interview.

So it's a great article. We'll link it. It is it really is a great article. It's like nice and short and it gives you some insight into a person, a real person. And so one thing that I've been wondering and just like talking to Jean about is just like the TikTok ban taking effect on Sunday night like what does that even look like I think that's what people are wondering and like one thing is for sure is that if the app is banned on on Sunday it will be taken off of the app store off of Google and Apple's app store so that people cannot download the app anymore for the first you know they can't read download the app and if you do have the app you won't be able to install any updates.

So you will stick with the current version of the app right now. So update your app now. I literally, I'm going to do it now because I had the thought to do it because I don't have my auto updates turned on. And I had thought to do it the other day and then I literally, I forgot. Update your app because that will make it the most recent version. Because with every app, like of course, like the way that it works in technology is that like with apps you put in like releases and

bug fixes, new product updates, and that goes out in the next update. The most recent version was January 9th. So that's pretty recent. It's interesting now. People are turning to Red Note. Dead. I'm so dead for this. Okay. Which is like a Chinese social media, like learning app. It's like a combination of Pinterest and Instagram is how like most people describe it. I'm just like blown away by Americans. By the gall.

By Gen Z. Yeah. And well, you know I'm obsessed with Gen Z because like I built my entire like last 10 years. My entire focus was building for Gen Z. So like understanding them like building for them, catering to them. Especially, you know, in terms of like building social media and building digital goods. Yeah. It's interesting.

I guess turning to Red Note, which is basically another Chinese-owned application, even more so than TikTok, I would say. It's run by the CCP. It's like owned by the Chinese Communist Party. It's like even more than TikTok, which is like owned by ByteDance. Right, which is a private company in China. Right. Like Red Note is like even more extreme in terms of like. Well, also Red Note is a, what is it called? A euphemism. Oh yeah. The name Red Note.

It's actually, it's called Xiaohongsu, which is Little Red Book, which is a reference to Mao Zedong's, like, infamous red book of, like, communist principles. Yeah, exactly. So it's just so funny, apparently. Do you think people know that? No. The average person who's downloading Red Note, no, they don't know that. Why would they care? Do they should?

Do you think it would impact their? Do you think it would impact how they're thinking about? No, because I think the average person in the United States is not concerned with or thinking about national security. Maybe they should be. Definitely not the average Gen Zer. Maybe they should be.

Which is also kind of ironic because I think Gen Z it's actually, I think it's like two prevailing like principles of Gen Z or like tenets that are like in competition with each other. Because one is I know Gen Z is very like privacy conscious. Really? I think so. Like in like about their data. Much more so than like previous generations.

Oh, then millennials. Yes. And then on the other side though, they're kind of like anti-establishment. Yeah. So like on one hand, they're going straight to red note where the data, everything that they do is owned by China directly. Like there's not even like the premise of it. Being a privatized like. Yeah.

being a privately owned company that's based in China. And then on the other hand, though, they want to be like, you know, F the United States government for taking away our social media app, TikTok. So we're going to go straight to Red Note. But just the content about Red Note on TikTok is so funny. Yeah. It's like all of a sudden everyone is like learning Mandarin. Right.

Duolingo is like on it. Have you seen like duolingo's like, oh, now you're learning Mandarin? Yeah. This is what it takes. yeah I kind of see it as like really problematic I don't know like I think it's like ha ha fun in games but then also like it's kind of like too in my mind like I'm afraid it's like to stick it to the man ism to me like I think it's gone to like too far where like well it's the Luigi man geonification yes of the generation yes um I feel like we are

going to look back on that and recognize that as some sort of like totem, as some sort of like tipping point or like physical action manifestation of a lot of the energy of Gen Z. Like Gen Z is now, I mean, this is like a generalization, but like how I see it is like Gen Z or like the new generation is taking matters into their own hands. Like they were already, already anti-establishment and like already like ready like ready to protest um yeah in the u.s and now like seeing Luigi Mangione taking taking a stand um well it's just the discourse on on TikTok about luigi Manjioni is so pro anti-government how do you even say it it's just so pro individualism i don't know pro is it pro working class pro individualism like pro

like anti-capitalism yeah kind of yeah yeah it's kind of like screw the man is um yeah yeah it's very like french revolution yeah it's very like 1960s like anti like you know being on war um I also wonder if there's like some sort of like it reminds me of the energy of the stuff that's going on in South Korea right now as well where like the newer generation the young people are very prone to protest and that of course South Korea has a way different history and culture related to protest but like seeing it happening on that world stage at the same time as ours is really interesting as well it also reminds me of like back in like May or June when there were the protests on college campuses. Like it's it's very like anti the mannism. Yeah. Anti-establishment.

Like people are speaking out now, I mean, speaking out more than ever, I think, in a very public way and organizing in a public way that I guess I haven't really seen in my generation really. Yeah. I just have not seen such strong anti-capitalism and anti-government rhetoric. In the U.S. In the U.S. Like in all my years of being aware. You know, like, I think I've probably been consuming media content. my whole life, honestly, since I was eight.

What about the Wall Street protests in like 2010? Okay, I like that you bring that up. I think that was a very different feeling. What was that called? Sleep on Wall Street? Wall Street. Sleep on Wall Street. Gordon Gecko, Money never sleeps.

Meanwhile, I was literally working on Wall Street. meanwhile. You were there during Occupy Wall Street. I was there during Occupy Wall Street. That was a little bit awkward. But I had to get my bag, okay? Yeah, she had to get her bag. I had student loans.

Yes. So it was different because Occupy Wall Street, I will say this, felt very blue collar. It felt very blue collar versus white collar versus, I think the atmosphere today is people who are kind of like across all socioeconomic classes revolting against the prevailing system of capitalism and governmental oversight. Yeah. Interesting. So it's like across the board.

It doesn't really have to do with socioeconomic status as much. Yes. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think it's more so of like a state of mind and like perspective and like a new set of driving principles that are across the entire generation, regardless of your socioeconomic class.

Since you're a zillennial, do you... Wo is me. I'm... I fit nowhere. I'm not a millennial. I'm not a Gen Z. Yeah. You can be anything you want. That's what I've been telling Shirees and shoes two years old. That's how we have, what we have today.

Do you notice, like... Do you notice, like, a difference between, like, certain groups of friends of yours? Or not really. Do you mean like how they think and stuff or like how? I would say most of my friends who are also zolennials skew more millennial than Gen Z, I would say. Like all my friends who I've made in tech feel more millennial and feel more like drawn to capitalism and like getting a taste of like that sort of life. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

They don't feel like anti-establish. They feel very establishment to me. Especially, I mean, they've gone to Ivy League schools. Yeah. They work in consulting finance, PE. Yeah. They want to be in those fields and are, like, working really hard. I would say, like, the Gen Z generalization that I haven't quite experienced in my friend

group is that, like, you know, people like, Gen Z don't want to work. Like, I haven't really experienced quite that yet. Nobody wants to work anymore. Nobody works anymore. We'll have to throw up the meme. Is it Kim Kardashian? Oh, yeah. Nobody works anymore.

So, yeah, the TikTok ban. We kind of went on a tangent there to talk about the Luigi Mangione effect of everything. But I just, I'm just so curious to see in like 20, 30 years, like how this is reflected in like the history books or like the annals of history. I mean, what sparked like World War I or World War II? It was like the assassination of like Archduke Ferdinand or something. Do you remember that? It was like this like one person who like assassinated like the archduke of like. That's a wild connection.

But it kind of feels like that. Yes. That like a single assassination of a white man in power. Yes. Could have so many. Who had influence and direct impact on hundreds of thousands, if not. not millions of people's lives. Yes.

Everyday people's lives. And also, I think a lot of it is a symbol. It's a symbol. He was a symbol. The assassination was a symbol of some larger discourse. And I wonder, you know, as Biden's leaving the Oval Office, literally like this week slash next week, he's leaving with the lowest ratings ever, actually, is what I saw online.

Yeah. And I don't really know how, you know, the sentiment that we just talked about will show itself in the next administration. Another really interesting part. I know, like, Louis Jim Manjani is not, like, really in the news as much anymore. But, like, one thing that I just really want to, like, get out there in, like, a thought that I had is that I think something about the fact that he himself grew up wealthy. There's no, there's nowhere. Like, he's just straight up wealthy, right? Like upper class went to UPenn, like moves in all of the same circles of the person that he allegedly assassinated.

Like he could have come into contact socially through, you know, with the person that he assassinated. Like he could have had like family friends in common or something with him. Like there's something there too. That's very powerful. And also obviously the fact that he is a like cis hat male that's like, very attractive with like abs that like people can like rally behind in a visual way. Yeah. Um, I mean, but also goes to say like, or sorry, he presents as a cis head male.

I don't actually know, obviously. Um, I think he is because I saw someone posted on my Instagram, someone who went to pen. Okay. Sorry, like, someone's story. Uh-huh. Was like of a screenshot of a text conversation they had with another person because they all went to Penn and we're like they've crossed paths with Luigi. Yeah.

Like someone's like made out with him and was like like like a woman. Yes. Okay. In college in college. Yeah. But like it's weird that like I, you know, we are like third degree connected in that way. Because he went to UPenn or I don't know if he went to Wharton, but yeah, because he went to. Yes.

And I think that makes him a more acceptable figure for Gen Z to rally behind as well. Or like the broader public. feels more comfortable with, I guess, like, lionizing. Lionizing him? Yeah, yeah. Like, there's no other word for it. I was very disturbed by that kind of rhetoric. But it's all like the Luigi-Mandione like anification of things.

Well, it's just very much like a Gen Z response. Like, of course Gen Z is like turning it into like a sexual meme. Of course. I'm not surprised at all. I don't know. I just felt weird. I just felt like this is. I bet there's fan.

being written about this man as we speak. Yeah. I'm disturbed. I don't. I mean, I don't. I thought it was just so off. Well, it's just like so crazy that like, I am surprised that the rhetoric has gone as far as it's gone where people are saying like, oh, sure, like, what is the difference between this man is like taking a stand and he allegedly killed this person? but this person that he killed also had a hand in the deaths and loss of life of hundreds of

thousands of people who he and his company like chose to deny coverage too and like all that. So it's just like it's really interesting that the general like public has even gone in that direction in terms of this like discourse as opposed to I feel like five, 10 years ago it would have just been very cut and dry. Like everyone in the general public would have been like, this man is a monster. Like, because he allegedly murdered this man. He assassinated this man in cold blood. He is a straight up monster.

And he would have been, like, vilified across all elements of the press, all elements of social media. I think it would have been just very, like, one perspective. I remember another point that I was going to make is that you were saying that, like, they could have run in similar circles. Brian, was it the name, Brian Thompson?

Mm-hmm. And Luigi Mangione, technically, like they could have. But then I think something interesting is that, like, Luigi Mangione, he,

from the information that I've read, also suffered within the healthcare system himself, from, like, obviously pain, from, like, the back injuries that he's had, and then also, like, the bills that he had,

which is, like, supposedly what spurred all of this stuff. So, like, even though he comes, from like a moderately wealthy background. Like he was still like subject to the system. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And he couldn't escape the system and then took things allegedly into his own hands. Yeah. Yeah. So there's something interesting there as well. Right. And like a lot of the discourse these days is now comparing like what he did to historical times of like, you know, major change was only ever affected when, you know, X, Y, Z historical situation where, like, people had to rise up and indeed, like, kill people in power.

Oh, my God. In order to, like, make change. I can't think of, like, the exact historical instances that were compared to this, but I'm sure there are, like, so many. Yeah. Archduke Ferdinand. That's all she got. She's just has Archduke Ferdinand. Well, you know.

That's a good one, though. AP Euro. Shout out to Dr. Nardi. I did get a three. That's not something to brag about. But it was your only three. Yeah. Oh, that's not true.

Did I get it for AP French? No, I got a four in AP French. I got a five in AP Euro. I'm adding the cricket sound effect. Okay, but I got a three in Kemp. I never took Kemp because I knew I wouldn't be good at it. I got a five in AP Bio. Amazing.

That's why she was going to be a doctor too. Yeah, that's why I want to be a doctor. Well, one of the reasons why I wanted to be a doctor. You would have been a really good doctor. Steady hands, hands of a surgeon, whenever I have to, like, do anything at home or, like, pour things and other things. Like, poor oil, you know? Uh-huh. I have really steady hands.

Oh? Yeah. That's why mom never asks you to do it. Do I have unsteady hands? No, but she knows who to rely on. Yeah. I do have steady hands. Yeah, except for when you cough because you have pneumonia.

Recovering pneumonia. Oh. Q. I did use my inhaler. I think that's our episode. Was there anything? What? No, we have other topics. We do. If you want to. Okay. So now we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about pop culture, recommendations, things you can watch to get your mind off of all this heavy shit that we talked about. Hey, everyone, quick break to share something special, Sisters Macha. We've launched limited batches of ceremonial grade, single estate, single cultivar macha, straight from the family farm Shri worked on in Japan. It's pure, authentic, and crafted

with intention. Head to SistersMacha.com to grab yours before it sells out. Make matcha your daily ritual for lasting energy and focus. And we're back. We're back. Okay. So let's talk about something that we've recently watched. Yes. Should we start with the movie category? Yeah, let's talk about the movie that was a more recent one actually okay so we just recently watched a complete unknown yes with timothy shallame timet timetet chamois chalemae el fanning is in it what was that ed norton ed norton's in it ed norton's great yes and so we watched that a couple nights ago saw in movie theaters uh it's it's like a 7.8 out of 10 on i mdb and like 78% on rotten tomatoes i don't know if those two are correlated, but they're exactly the same.

Do they talk to one another? I feel like that's, it's a conspiracy. It might be a conspiracy. We're going to have to take them down. Yes. So I would say maybe it might be closer to six. It's closer to six to me, actually, than an eight. Yeah.

Six and a half. What would your rating be? You liked it. Yeah, I liked it. I mean, I enjoyed it because there's a lot of singing. There's a lot of music in it, which is just like enjoyable. It kind of was like, it was like a biopic. Yeah. It is pretty much exactly what it was. Yeah. It's, the category is a biopic. Sheer didn't like it because she couldn't understand Timothy Shalameh.

Is it a biopic or biopic? I thought biopic. Biopic? Biopic. Biopic? I guess we'll find out. Oh my God. That's embarrassing. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't understand anything Bob Dylan said and his like, accent, which I couldn't even really quite place. I'm a subtitles girly. Oh, me too. Watching it in the movie theaters and it was so freaking loud. This is my gripe. My gripe is I couldn't understand what Bob Dylan was saying. My second gripe is that movie theaters, and I've seen a couple of movies over the last few months, they've like turned up the dial on the volume to like 300%. For the boomers. So I'm like literally going like this in every single movie that I've seen recently because I forget to bring my earplugs and I will bring my earplugs next time.

It's insane. I thought we're going to be the deaf generation. I swear. I swear. Okay, I personally really like Timitay, Shalame. I like him. Did I like him in the movie? No. Six.

Fine. Six. Yeah. I would give it like a 6.5. Didn't I say that? And I think the thing that was funny is that. is that because I feel like as a generation, we've had so much media exposure to Timothy Shalame

as like a person instead of just an actor, we kind of like know his personality. Yeah. So there were times in it where I felt like he sort of like broke character and like giggled in a way or like moved in a way that I was like, oh, that's Timothy Shalame. Like that's not Bob Dylan. That was Timothy Chalemite.

Not to say that he wasn't, I don't know like what Bob. Dylan was like so like maybe he did an incredible job of embodying Bob Dylan I know he studied for like many many years to make this movie but there were times when I was like oh that was a Timothy shall make giggle did you like that or do you think it helped the movie or hurt the movie because usually you're I've seen you've said this before about like Angelina Jolie or other actresses like Nicole Kidman who are so iconic as actors themselves that the characters they play it's like it's retracting from the character that they play. Do you feel that that happened here?

A little bit. Got her. A little bit. Like much more so than previous, um, than previous movies that he's been in. Only because I feel like his media exposure has gone like exponential in the last year or two. Yeah. That's kind of interesting. Miss Laughton.

Miss Laughton. Statistics. Statistics. Statistics. I love that. that video. I mean, I think he's, I think he's, like, hilarious. I think he's like, well, he's been in so many different things. He's in Dune, right? He was, he's in Willy Wonka. He's, um, obviously in little women. Oh, little women. He's just been, he's so good in that. He's prolific. He definitely

is prolific. He's, but he's, but he's, he works. He gets the job and he works. It's something interesting because he's so in the media now, especially, like, dating Kylie Jenner. Like, I don't know, people he's like part of he's in media now in the media you know killian murphy like famously is very outside of the media and doesn't like to go to like award ceremonies or do interviews really um and so i wonder if that lends some sort of like mystery to the actor so like we can continually place him in the movie that he's in instead of you know taking his personality which we see in the media and like putting it into the movie yeah Do you think that has a thing to it?

Yeah. That's such good. Well, because like if you saw Brad Pitt in a movie now or like George Clooney or like, yeah, that's Brad Pitt playing someone. That's George Clooney. You can't like suspend disbelief and really be in the time and place of the movie anymore without recognizing that that's Brad Pitt playing a character. That's interesting.

Yeah. So I guess the. question is, is Timothy Shalmay now like entering that category and is it going to be detrimental to, I guess, his ability to like really act convincingly going forward? I also wonder if other people feel that way. So if you've had this thought, comment, because I feel like this is a very nuanced, like. Isn't that nuance? I guess, yeah. No, it's very specialized. I've actually never heard anyone else say that. No, I'm just like, is it just you?

But no, I hear your take. So a complete unknown. Watch it if you get the matinee ticket. That's $10. Don't watch it if you have to pay $25 a ticket. I like the music. I thought the music was fine. I don't even know Bob Dylan music.

I'm sorry to say that. You didn't recognize those songs? No. What? I like recognize like zero songs. What? Yeah. Oh, that's why she didn't like it.

Yeah. Duh. I didn't know any of the music. You have no connection to that. I have. Well, also, that's why you're zillennial. I also think that's why I'm like a zillennial first gen. What does that mean?

Like our parents didn't grow up listening to this music. But mom knew some of the songs. But never shared it with me, never played it at home growing up. So like, how would I know? I knew the songs. And no one shared it with me in the house growing up. My point exactly. I was listening to like Britney Spears in sync.

I've never listened to Bob Dylan. He's on the radio. He was on the radio all the time growing up. I know. Nothing. This was me in the movie theater and me in the car apparently. I didn't listen to any of the music. I actually didn't really know who Bob Dylan was.

Did you like the music? Yeah, I like folk music. And not electric. That's like part of the premise of the entire movie, kind of. Yeah. But no, I didn't recognize any of. the music. I'm sorry to say. And I think that's, I think it is odd for me because I think a lot of people my age who are like, you know, multi-generation Americans recognize it because their parents

paid it at home and in the car. They know Bob Dylan. Not me. Yeah. Okay. That's why she didn't like it because she didn't even get to enjoy the music because she has no like cultural reference to it. Oh. What? That's what you said. That's literally what you said. You're making me sound like a dumb, It's not her fault. She doesn't have any cultural reference. Okay, but I do have a cultural reference to our next show that we would recommend. Not really, I don't. Yellowstone.

Gene and I started watching it in December. We binged all five seasons. Over the holidays. In a very compact amount of time that is probably quite unhealthy to binge, but here it is. We love, love the TV show. Um, it stars Kevin Costner, um, who's also an executive producer on the show with Taylor Sheridan, Tyler, Tyler, Taylor Sheridan. Taylor, Taylor, Taylor Sheridan. Um, the entire series is very well done. I do. Why is Kevin Costner so good? I do have comments on the last season, but we won't go there now. Kevin Costner's great. What, like, he's iconic? I, what movies was he in before? Like, I didn't clock him in my head as like a, like a, like, a, like, he's iconic. He's iconic. I, like, a, like, he's iconic. I, like, like, he's, like, he's, like, he's. I was he. I was he. I was he. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I a great, great, great actor, but he is. Also, I feel like he was meant for this role.

Yeah. John Dutton. Kevin Costner is John Dutton. Basically, it highlights a family in Montana who owns like a giant piece of land. And it talks about the conflict with that family and the native people of Montana. That's how it's and new developers who come in who are trying to, um, develop the land. Yeah. So it's basically like their family unit against the world, basically everyone trying to either take the land back from them or develop it away, take it away from them.

And it's very much like a family focus or it's focused on their family unit. Is it like succession? I haven't seen succession. Yes. Yes. There are definitely shades of succession where it's like each character in the family is one of the main characters. And there's a lot of, um, interfamilial conflict. The difference is that Yellowstone has a lot of violence versus succession is more like cutting words and like phrases. Yeah. It's cowboy succession.

Yeah. Oh, also like Yellowstone is very escapist. Scenic. So anyone who loves the Wild West or nature. Yeah. Like has like cowboy. dreams or ideations, you would love this show. It's giving Westworld.

Yeah, a little bit. In terms of like the scenery and like the character and the characters. The narrative, the, um, there's like native. The scenery. It's also incredibly cinematic. The actual cinematography of the show is beautiful. That's another really big part of the enjoyment. They like take a lot of time in like showing kind of like,

random things like branding the cattle. They'll show that for like four whole minutes. They'll show like an entire scene of that. Or like showing, you know, like cattle roping at the rodeo. Or like having the barrel, you know, barrel jumping with the horses. Barrel racing. They'll show that for like seven minutes out of a 50 minute episode. But it's cool. I liked it.

I think the escapism is so real. Like I would love to be a cowgirl, cowboy in like another life. And just like be outdoors and really enjoy that kind of life. That seems really fun. They have those programs where you can go onto a dude ranch and you can actually like herd the cattle for like a week and a half or something like that. And you're just like on the horse the whole time. Although this TV show has also.

struck fear into my heart of riding horses. Even though Jean and I, whenever we go on vacation to like a scenic place, we go usually on like a horseback ride. Excursion. Excursion on horseback. And so we've done that like countless times actually on vacation. We enjoy that. But this TV show really showed me the dangers of being on a horse.

And I was like, oh, that's really terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the other part I love about it is that there's very much an element of, um, interaction with like native americans and there's like a lot of story that's like based on um key characters who are native american and i just feel like that's like very underrepresented in media yes um so i love that that was also part of the the story and it wasn't i enjoyed that it wasn't as like like basic just to be like oh cowboys versus indians like the you know one is

good one is bad. Like they actually went into like a lot of like nuanced stories and there's a lot of interaction between them and um like the narratives are like tied together in a in a interesting way. Yeah. That isn't just like dumb. Like yeah. Like it's very thoughtfully done.

Yeah. Like they're like giving a good amount of credit to the to the viewers. Hmm. Yes. So watch Yellowstone. skip a complete unknown. I don't know what to say there. Sorry about that.

Well, if you like Bob Dylan music, watch it. Yeah. If you have no idea the cultural references like me. If you're a, you know, a brute like me. Maybe skip it. But yeah, those are our suggestions. Oh, wait, I have one more. Oh.

Okay. If you guys like reality TV, please join me in watching two new shows. one is Love Island. Love Island All Stars, season two, has just started. It's on Peacock, I believe. But if you want to watch the episodes as they come out in Europe or in the UK, you can just like Google the episode and it comes on this like their version of streaming of YouTube or whatever.

It's not YouTube, it's like something else called like Daily Motion. Anyway, it is very escapist and it's fun. And it's, I won't say it's like intellectually stimulating, but it's just, it's nice. It's lovely. And then the other one that's also like fun is called the traitors. Yeah. And it's basically like a real life version of that mafia. Mafia, like the parlor game mafia that you would play with your friends.

But just done up in this like Scottish castle with like additional challenges. And it features all, like, reality stars as the contestants across all different reality shows. So it's just fun, easy. Okay, I have a suggestion now, too. If we're all going to be suggesting things. Oh. I'm going to be starting to watch. So I don't know if it's good or not.

Season 2 of Severance on Apple TV. I've been talking about it for months and months. I thought season one of Severance. She doesn't even have Apple TV, guys. But I will get Apple TV to watch this. I don't care if it's a free trial. I will be watching it all. But season one of Severance was phenomenal.

It's, I think Ben Stiller is the director. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. And it's just like an interesting, it's like thriller, sci-fi. I really enjoy it. It's not very, you can't turn off your brain. You're very much thinking. It's like Black Mirror-esque.

So I actually really miss Black Mirror. Like I think this. I loved Black Mirror. I think that that TV show was fantastic. But so Severance, season two, I think it will come out by the time that this podcast goes out. If you guys like science fiction, is it science fiction? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure, sci-fi.

Black Mirror, what is it on HBO? I don't know. No, Black Mirror is now on Netflix. Oh, it's freaking incredible. It is one of the very few shows where I, like, still will think about and reference, like, a couple of those episodes. Oh, for sure. remember them so clearly. Typically, I will consume something and just like forget about it right away. Like literally you ask me about like books that I read and I just like have no memory of like reading

them. But this really sticks in your head. Yeah. I actually not easy viewing. Some of it's pretty heavy and disturbing. So. But freaking incredible. It's like a thought experiment. It's a thought experiment. Like every episode you watch will make you think about. low your mind and technology and the impact of technology. And so I have three recommendations for Black Mirror. Sorry, this episode is dragging on. But my favorite episode of Black Mirror, I don't know which season it's in, maybe three or four, you'll have to see. Hang the DJ.

That one is so good. It's pretty light in terms of Black Mirror. A lot of Black Mirror episodes can get quite gory, I think. What's the premise? Hang the DJ. It's the one about, I mean, I kind of ruins it. But it's about like dating, a dating app. Oh, yeah, yeah.

But I won't tell. I won't tell you. That one's fun. That one's about, like love. It's uplifting. I really like that one. That's a good one. You'll leave, if that's your first episode you're watching a Black Mirror, you'll leave wanting to watch more.

There's upper other ones that are quite disturbing. USS McAllister. Have you seen that one? I mean, I've seen all of them. I vaguely remember that's the one that had Jesse Plybbs in it. Kirsten Dunst's husband. Yes, yes, yes. That one is, he's a crazy actor.

He's an incredible actor. So good. He should be in more stuff. He really should be. He is actually so talented. Yes, yes. Justice for Jesse Plemons. I didn't know that was his name.

I hope we're talking about the same person. Yeah, he's like blonde. Like strawberry blonde. Yeah, like really light hair, light eyebrows. Square jaw. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's USS McAllure.

And then there's one called White Christmas. That's the one with John Hamm. Oh, my God. That one is one of the ones that I still think about. And I'm like, did I fully understand? Oh, I've seen that episode like maybe four times actually. It's too scary for me to watch again. It's too existentially terrifying.

Yes, correct. I've seen it. Oh, it's so scary. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed this current events episode. Yeah, please leave comments because this is the first time we've done an episode like this where we were jokingly calling it like a yapping episode where we just talk about current events and like kind of our thoughts on things.

and across a wide, wide variety of topics. Yeah. But yeah, we'd love to know if you guys want to hear more of these or if you just want us to more stick to what we've been doing so far. Yeah, with mailbag, you know, other segments that we've had, our book club stuff. Like, we can return to that, but just like we'd love to hear from you. Any thoughts you guys have?

It's not either or. This would be, this type of episode of like current events and yapping would be in addition to the more kind of like educational stuff that we already produce. Yes, exactly. And please, as always, remember to like, comment and subscribe so that you can get notified whenever a new episode drops. And we would so appreciate it if you could share this episode with someone who might find it helpful.

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